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8 [00:06:37] <rhizome> gumbee: because there's no su
otherwise
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10 [00:08:28] <gumbee> rhizome: So does that mean that the app
developer will also have root access to my phone?
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21 [00:12:58] <galex-713__> gumbee, any app developer can do
anything with your phone
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23 [00:13:18] <galex-713__> well, anything authorized by what
the app is “permitted” to do
24 [00:13:24] <galex-713__> that is pretty much everything most
of time
25 [00:13:29] <rhizome> gumbee: no, apps are installed in the
user context, sandbox.
26 [00:13:30] <galex-713__> such like reading your smses,
contacts, etc.
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28 [00:14:00] <gumbee> galex-713__: right, well, apparently
whatever permissions that we consent to when we install the app
29 [00:14:12] <galex-713__> yeah
30 [00:14:39] <galex-713__> you can’t even say “yes
yes of course” and give the app access to a false
contact/sms/etc. database
31 [00:14:39] <gumbee> rhizome: so is there a way to get root
access to an android phone without installing an app? Or do most
people find using the app to get root access "safe?
32 [00:14:45] <galex-713__> because it’s not free software
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34 [00:15:08] <rafalcpp> perf interrupt took too long (2508 >
2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000
35 [00:15:10] <rhizome> gumbee: via what? it's helpful to
think of su/sudo as an "app" here
36 [00:15:13] <rafalcpp> why perf is running at all in system?
37 [00:15:16] <rafalcpp> how to disable it?
38 [00:15:22] <gumbee> galex-713__: Well IMO android is def not
free software
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40 [00:15:50] <gumbee> rhizome: maybe via typing some commands
in adb. Not sure.
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45 [00:16:23] <gumbee> rhizome: I just thought it was a little
unusual, because I would never actually install an app to root
access on debian
46 [00:16:33] <gumbee> *get root access
47 [00:16:39] <rhizome> because it comes with it
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49 [00:16:57] <rhizome> note that you don't log into your
phone
50 [00:16:57] <jarlopez> Any tips for debugging connecting to a
serial port? I'm running minicom using the vendor's
recommended settings, but receive no data back from the device
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59 [00:18:35] <rhizome> jarlopez: what's running on the
other side, i.e. what is going to reply?
60 [00:19:02] <gumbee> rhizome: cool, hmm do you have any
recommendations on a specific root app then? Just curious if you
feel some are more "free" than others.
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64 [00:19:57] <galex-713_> gumbee, just looks what’s there
on FreeDroid
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67 [00:20:16] <rhizome> i haven't rooted my phone yet, but
check reddit /r/android. i think i did try SuperSU (or something
like that) once upon a time. if you google for a rooting howto, read
a few and take note of any repeated recommendations.
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72 [00:21:12] <gumbee> rhizome: galex-713_ : cool, thank you to
you both!
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75 [00:21:59] <tremon> rafalcpp: perf is a kernel
self-monitoring feature, you'd need to recompile the kernel:
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79 [00:24:44] <jarlopez> rhizome: an IoT network manager is on
the other side, which the vendor recommends connecting to either by
serial term to its CLI port or by application to its API port. I get
through on the API port, but not the CLI
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85 [00:26:51] <rafalcpp> my sys does over 50K interrupts per
second, I wonder if this is slowing system down.. anything to
optimize here? maybe some high resolution (1000 Hz) kernel would be
better?
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97 [00:35:29] <tremon> and those are all monitoring interrupts?
can you paste the output of /proc/interrupts?
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99 [00:35:33] <tremon> !paste
100 [00:35:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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111 [00:38:27] <rhizome> jarlopez: if you're connecting
directly you might need a null modem
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125 [00:43:45] <jarlopez> rhizome: Ah, should've specified
the manager plugs in with USB and that the FDTI Virtual COM Port
driver seems to be working correctly (dmesg | grep tty identifies
all ports)
126 [00:44:28] <jarlopez> at this point I'm trying to figure
out why the CLI port isn't responding, but the API port is
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130 [00:46:11] <jarlopez> I'm worried it's
hardware-related :-\
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133 [00:49:11] <spacedust> hi
134 [00:49:18] <spacedust> how could i put my disk to always on ?
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136 [00:49:35] <spacedust> i have a laptop wd blue 5400rpm disk
that spins down very often
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138 [00:50:44] <spacedust> 96 (intermediate level with standby)
is it this that i need to change apm level?
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148 [01:00:59] <awal1> spacedust, check your power management
settings
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150 [01:02:17] <awal1> if using a DE, "xset -dpms s
off" if WM
151 [01:02:32] <awal1> i hope i understood your issue :P
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226 [01:46:33] <kevy0> Hi, when I try to reload my fonts , I get
that error message :
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227 [01:46:36] <kevy0> help ?
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239 [01:56:51] <Waxhead> When a new package (for example the
kernel) is available in the repo. Is there some way of reading a
change log easily?! For example if the kernel gets a minor update it
would be interesting to see if a spesiffic area you are interested
in (for example filesystems) got changes backported from upstream.
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257 [02:05:58] <domovoy> hi
258 [02:06:01] <domovoy> i'm trying to find a signal
generator under linux, found siggen, but it uses oss and i have
pulseaudio, so used "padsp siggen", now it tells me
"Too many levels of symbolic links : Problem generating output
samples", anyone knows how to solve this? Or can recommend a
good signal generator?
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260 [02:07:33] <mutante> i saw "signal generator" and
was about to say "kill" :p
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267 [02:12:52] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: you might try ecasound;
that at least uses alsa
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270 [02:14:03] <domovoy> dondelelcaro> thanks, but found
"play", does what i need
271 [02:14:11] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: for example, ecasound -i
tone,sine,440,2 -o alsa
272 [02:14:14] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: ah, cool.
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321 [02:45:54] <geordie> i'm ssh-ing under screen to another
screen session. how do i pass C-a to the remote screen?
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332 [02:51:07] <jcarpenter2> is there any way to get gmcs (one of
the mono compilers) on Stretch?
333 [02:51:34] <jcarpenter2> mono-complete does not include it,
and mono-gmcs is not available but is referred to by another package
334 [02:52:40] <bazhang> ,v gmcs
335 [02:52:41] <judd> No package named 'gmcs' was found
in amd64.
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340 [02:57:00] <kingsley> Which command line utility, if any,
converts USB addresses like 002:005 to file names, like /dev/sdg5?
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342 [02:57:08] <kb3ien> Media change: please insert the disc
labeled, 'Debian GNU/Linux 9.1.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD
Binary-2 20170722-11:31' , in the drive
'/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]
343 [02:57:23] <kb3ien> The CD is installed in /media/cdrom2 ! !
!
344 [02:57:39] <kb3ien> Why does apt try to make me move my cds
around?
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346 [02:59:59] <bazhang> ,v fteqcc
347 [03:00:00] <judd> Package: fteqcc on amd64 -- jessie:
3343+svn3400-3; wheezy: 3343+svn3400-3; buster: 3343+svn3400-3+b2;
sid: 3343+svn3400-3+b2; stretch: 3343+svn3400-3+b2
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351 [03:01:17] <geordie> nm
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437 [03:56:40] <rhizome> kb3ien: why are you being asked for cds
at all?
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443 [03:59:33] <kb3ien> i wanted to use 'cds' as a
local mirror. Sounded like a good idea, until I tried it!
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450 [04:02:25] <rhizome> disk is cheap, set up your own local
repo mirror
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454 [04:03:21] <kb3ien> yep. The cd feature doesn't really
work anymore. that's my plan.
455 [04:03:57] <rhizome> i wonder what % of computers don't
have cd drives
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457 [04:04:29] <oerheks> a lot, most of then have dvd drives
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460 [04:04:57] <rhizome> well i mean both
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463 [04:05:46] <somiaj> with tablets becomming common quite a
good number, but I think most destkops/laptops still by default have
them, since they are usually fairly cheap.
464 [04:05:50] <kb3ien> yeah. THese are virtual machines...
465 [04:06:12] <kb3ien> I'll just have to takeout the
relevant controller on all of them.
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468 [04:06:35] <rhizome> desktops maybe, but it's probably
kind of hard to get a built-in one in a laptop now, since
they're all going thin
469 [04:06:55] <kb3ien> nyetbooks ?
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472 [04:07:20] <rhizome> you could say that
473 [04:07:24] <somiaj> kb3ien: apt-cacher-ng is nice. As for a
vm, why didn't mounting the .iso in the vm work?
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498 [04:21:41] <kb3ien> it might have, worked fine, but whether
mounted inside the VM buy the VM's kernel, or mounted under a
pseudo controller the issue seems to be that it forgets which disk
is mounted where.
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502 [04:22:58] <kb3ien> it asks for the disk that in
/media/cdrom2 to be placed in /media/cdrom is the issue. If i did
mount -t iso996 /shared/disk/mountpoint/iso/debian2.iso
/media/cdrom2 I cant see how apt would run any better.
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506 [04:25:24] <kb3ien> if anyone is convinced that it makes a
difference I can try it easily enough. /shared/disk can be a read
only fs.
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517 [04:35:40] <kb3ien> I'll probably setup the mirror, but
the university mirror i'm using it litterally visible from my
roof.
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717 [06:51:24] <McErroneous> HI, my Debian installation has
problems with background processes not beeing terminated when
closing terminals, commands once executed stay active even i close
the gnome-terminal...
718 [06:52:19] <somiaj> what commands. A command can dhup itself.
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720 [06:52:50] <somiaj> arg, totally rembered that command wrong
721 [06:53:10] <somiaj> anyways, there are commands that
disassoicate themselves with their terminal.
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723 [06:53:23] <somiaj> and it was nohup I was thinking of
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727 [06:56:43] <McErroneous> somiaj: I just did a "while
true" one-liner loop, and it stayed active after, after closing
my terminal...
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730 [06:57:18] <McErroneous> and so does nethogs stay alive after
closing its terminal...
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732 [06:59:05] <McErroneous> is this a known problem ? or am i
just mistaken ?
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736 [07:01:13] <McErroneous> I never had that experience with
Ubuntu..., but Ubuntu -irc support is annoying..., all they do is
"upgrade n update"... or telling its user-base to go to
hell, and smell the feet of unlucky man...
737 [07:02:06] <McErroneous> So i decided i would go with
Debian...
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739 [07:06:33] <McErroneous> Is there a best pratice to avoid
such "thing" in the future ? ( avoid processes of staying
active after closing the gnome-terminal) ?
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741 [07:10:30] <McErroneous> somiaj: is it possible that the bash
stay active if its gnome-terminal is killed ? If so, how do i
reassociate the bash-instance with a newly created instance of the
gnome-terminal ?
742 [07:10:41] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: this must be a setting,
default is typically that the command is terminated when the PTY is
closed.
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744 [07:11:02] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: this is typically done
with "screen" or "tmux", but then you have to do
that BEFORE you start the command.
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747 [07:11:58] <SwedeMike> McErroneous:
replaced-url
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750 [07:12:34] <somiaj> McErroneous: while true in what? a bash
script?
751 [07:12:38] <McErroneous> SwedeMike: please get me right, i am
talking about reattaching an existing bash-process, of an formerly
gnome-terminal that has been closed/finished in an unproper
manner...
752 [07:12:47] <somiaj> McErroneous: have you seen if the issue
also appears with other terminals?
753 [07:13:10] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: I understood what you
meant. I am not aware of a way to do that unless you started that
bash within screen or tmux or similar.
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755 [07:14:05] <somiaj> McErroneous: I went python, then ran
While True:, and when I closed xterm it properly closed. So lets see
if this is just a gnome-terminal thing on your system.
756 [07:14:15] <McErroneous> somiaj: NO. , although i have
"xterm" and "terminator" installed.. .
757 [07:14:48] <McErroneous> mom..
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761 [07:16:52] <McErroneous> somiaj: i discovered this because
one of my network devices continued reciving packets, while the lan
cable was attached...
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764 [07:17:42] <McErroneous> and the gnome-terminal has been
terminated, so i am wondering..
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768 [07:20:35] <McErroneous> somiaj: i can not even verify with
xterm, because as soon as i attach my network cable, the device will
power up.... let me give you the command ...
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770 [07:21:37] <McErroneous> "while true ; do wakeonlan -i
192.xxx.xxx.xxx <MAC-Addr> ; done" ....
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774 [07:22:29] <McErroneous> i need to find the corresponding
process..., that is still active in the background...
775 [07:22:51] <somiaj> McErroneous: you just want to kill the
process?
776 [07:23:03] <McErroneous> but searching for gnome-terminal or
wakeonlan was not successfull....
777 [07:23:05] <somiaj> McErroneous: have you check the output of
ps fax or similar?
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779 [07:23:20] <somiaj> with ps fax you should be able to see
maybe bash running
780 [07:23:37] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried checking for
"ps aux"
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783 [07:25:30] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried "ps fax |grep
-i wakeonlan" and "ps fax| grep -i gnome-terminal"
without success...
784 [07:26:55] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried "ps fax |grep
-i while" also negative....
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786 [07:27:17] <kbob> McErroneous: did you have top? start top,
press c, look for the process that sound like wakeonlan .., press k
and enter the PID number , then 9 and press enter
787 [07:27:42] <cly> hello
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798 [07:35:32] <McErroneous> I would like to try : killall --name
<process-name> , but that might kill my current
terminal-session too... ,
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800 [07:35:51] <McErroneous> "killall -name bash"
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806 [07:39:07] <McErroneous> i want to try someting like :
"killall --older-than 12h -name bash"
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808 [07:39:27] <McErroneous> but how do i convert 12h in float ?
809 [07:40:14] <McErroneous> so i dont kill my current
irc-session....
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811 [07:41:12] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: you can set limits on
cpu-time etc for a process.
812 [07:41:27] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: for instance, you can say
that a user process can't have more than 12 hours of actual cpu
usage time
813 [07:41:45] <SwedeMike> McErroneous:
replaced-url
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821 [07:47:16] <dtux> how should I divide up 1TB among /var,
/tmp, and /home?
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828 [07:54:29] <McErroneous> dtux, i my personal experience i
have good experience mounting "/var" to my
"/home"
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836 [07:58:57] <McErroneous> dtux, in my personal experience i
made positive experience mounting "/var" to my
"/home"
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850 [08:04:48] <aZz7eCh> hi guys. i have a samba network location
automatically being created and loaded every time i boot up. in
gnome/deb8, where would i have told this to do this? i want to stop
it from loading each time. it is mounting to a /run/user/1000/gvfs/
location so im presuming its definitely gnome/nautilus doing this on
boot or login... any tips what I might be looking for ?
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854 [08:06:06] <McErroneous> Okay, "killall -o 12 h
bash" seems to work out . thanks somiaj and SwedeMike for
keeping me going...
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856 [08:06:43] <aZz7eCh> i have checked /etc/fstab and
/etc/rc.local where i do have two network locations being mounted
deliberately ... neither of these files is creating the connection
to this samba share tho
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1029 [10:03:12] <noqnio1> Shouldn't there be a tool that
reads apt/history.log and can revert your system to a point back in
time?
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1031 [10:03:54] <colo-work> since packages cannot be downgraded,
no.
1032 [10:04:07] <colo-work> for all other operations, there's
awk + apt-get :>
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1034 [10:04:31] <noqnio1> Well I sometimes have downgraded
packages in special circumstances with dpkg
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1036 [10:04:39] <noqnio1> I'd rather have it messed up than
not working
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1090 [10:20:48] <frut> elky likes pussy: kB` Velgor hiyosi mzf
Posterdati nicdev baba_ infernix phorce1_home crash_ oojacoboo t0ne
mns dsnow_ sirecote snw acperkins Namidairo_ jonathaN [Gunner] botho
koollma firef1y Stummi loeken ptx0 Werring tomash patterson
ilkbahard simonlnu RH_IO Dragon092 d-k ggherdov thevoi nolsen
Matthew_ NeoBlaster Incepti0n TmvC jandrusk neskau Marlon icxcnika
Artox petn-randall Andreas33 L235 jhebden
1091 [10:20:48] <frut> dax has a little weenie: yoyo_ ericnoan
sandman13 tommaso israfel flipp Quantumcross disposable RH_IO strass
hue eldritch wjtaylor_ SirLagz roshanavand sdx2 soahccc lexruee
punto dave4925 Malinux m0j0dj0dj0 Robby eri451 cooldude shingouz dgp
qzo JohnDoh bogus- nighty- coolchris sndb LiENUS infernix DJDan eir
blueness Matthew_ valeech jlacroix angular_mike___ hramrach bwf
Pedr0 [red]claw ScottE pkv croddy fbaca
1092 [10:20:48] <frut> you should have used tor kindone knows
where you have been : deetwelve krups_v2 Blanco MrHyde digdug_ elik
obiw hank TuxShells gr4yscale tomocha_ quenode kInOzAwA jimi1
GGMethos sloucher tabakhase Exagone313 abrotman crayon arha_ Keitaro
Danielss89_ chownsauce evilbug tiwake LightAmaze cune Janhouse
pk64_alt ChanServ metaphysician ThomasJ|d kri SpeedyG [Gunner]
leachim6 mete gigetoo hexa- Aristide zarzar bb36e Jamboy gehaxelt
fcharton redrabbit duoi gareth__ debh
1093 [10:20:48] <frut> e cant code: rxo clorophormo Noskcaj serban
cdown `z jordanm sandman13 Malinux nodauf pvoigt userfree simonlnu
sirecote dgp metastable tsia chownsauce ujjain tabakhase Da Ani
mww113 hexagoxel arha_ twi msev- akxwi-dave fstd Incepti0n Ellied
Guest32500 namix pelegreno_ NoxiousPluK ski7777 jimi1 duckydan
guideline Ring0` fourletterword hashworks ThCTLo2 aaro dsnow_ ssarah
Spitfire loeken Tr4sK sulvone
1094 [10:20:48] <frut> opal is a man with a dong: bryceml
lparmentier[m] romana chownsauce apollojustice cusco bpsecret dTal
crash_ kline RoyK_Heim benklop jannic Skaag sandroandrade frikinz
magenbrot fbaca paulgrmn cateye amd_0x51 disi banc Mercury_Vapor
lord_helmet SM0TVI Slumlord_ inviz NaPs nick123 toruvinn tsglove
sussudio bogus- kini eri451 `z Warrigal bfit cmichel tomreyn {sd}
lan_stuff sag3 dxrt mavhq gunix FabTG_ SupaYoshi_ serban
1095 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> kline is touching himself: azg esainane
ryan-c uNmowed phre4k BbT0n cliluw fiQmob Alam_Squeeze
_systemd_is_evil LambdaCalculus37 remote przemoc RoyK Artox MrHyde
nymony frikinz digdilem danieli hns Keitaro ski niceprogrammer
Dragon092 kanzure Clouder Hoosilon_ Amplificator rolig sirecote
Cabanossi ikevin Xyle dmarr judd lru cryptic {sd} Gransy- DomaMuffin
Haxxa asdpew styles Danielss89_ reorder FoolishOwl ijmad_ bvs tabris
1096 [10:20:49] <frut> elky likes pussy: flipp sussudio RebelCoder
Puckel_ Loomaanaatii Ishaq Spiffy juhop tomocha_ dooglus rysiek|pl
Pedr0 dave4925 dwar sander85 RH_IO petan frikinz kevy0 r00tobo
LostSoul MrHyde Arieh Ryushin hessu magenbrot pfote ScottE bb36e
Schmiel olegfusion aedinius adds68 thallada rotaticus jiphex Johann
nhandler ThCTLo2 bfit Andy80_ woky cluelessperson nickle pokeguylow
BotaniCar rachelfish holmgren systo Tr4sK
1097 [10:20:49] <frut> emerson likes to use quiet and leave: j3x
ribasushi necrogami leibniz brimonk Hydrastra Red_M SM0TVI jak2000
_MMx deedend[m] sptnx sielicki Commander1024 stealthii sirecote
sine0 GNU\colossus diabel_ sobkas ChrisH pkv yepla bertbob xai HauM1
genpaku im_bad_at_linux Hijiri Frikilinux_ flokuehn __jae__ eki
firef1y NoxiousPluK sdx2 Jim[m] fred`` beardo Ugrastil funnel
ebarrett paul3 nolsen CEnnis91 annadane richvdh jhq extor shadoxx
1098 [10:20:49] <qui> emerson klines random people hopefully you
wont hit the kline lottery lol: Poster l9 crash_ HeXiLeD McErroneous
r0bby thunderrd guideline ijmad_ gigetoo esainane goberle samtunez
ptx0 Rokixz peterS lappet r3m juhop mcint Ishaq peterandre remote
Linlz luckman212 ohithere clopez jsleeio spritian Cabanossi hid3
xSmurf Amun_Ra cyphix zamuro uptime abracadaniel ramshadow
thecoffemaker Ani BWMerlin croddy rolig Al_lA disposable kolla boser
adds68 j3x fooctrl
1099 [10:20:49] <qui> e cant code: dak tabakhase gftg pinnen
Spydar007 tomreyn cyphix zupzupper neskau Igel ski doogaille ski7777
meti Emmanuel_Chanel colttt digdug_ theluckymike thunderrd pcdummy
ribasushi toine42 Jacob843 jareth_ _systemd_is_evil Cosmophile
coolchris Carno Shadowcrit nurupo richardjohn bb36e _aeris_ croddy
Logg jubo2 ffernand marienz Sue Ard1t Kilo`byte infernix Hoosilon_
like2k1 FiendKing04 hashworks raidsec K1rk interd0me Al_lA
1100 [10:20:49] <qui> christel is a trannie: t0ne metaphysician
solos or4n Schmiel blueness LordLamer hank her0 XeonSquared
Spydar007 tw rooty_ sndb colttt tadau klow michael_mbp nku bsdnoob
zerick Arkaniad wingman2 precise GJdan juhop jubo2 toruvinn yoyo_
rymax99 Red_M hellyeah hicks_ dos1 nauticalnexus baba_ tiin57
thecliguy hassoon xingu Dragon092 Namidairo_ jor Toris
pepsipeacecorp `Kevin raidsec Blanco xSmurf McLive
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1102 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> emerson klines random people hopefully you
wont hit the kline lottery lol: hexnewbie Cueball qtch rr Ralin3
nurupo Epakai przemoc elik #deb digilink blue Devastator zamuro
angular_mike___ Tr4sK apollojustice grew flipp digdilem thecliguy
ongolaBoy StathisA afx237 Fjorgynn s0lar1s volodim donut_ rudi_s mzf
bezaban davidebeatrici pfoo Zharf preview Malinux her0 cune
thecoffemaker sulit Puckel_ himuraken dooglus Neo judd tomocha_
Anarchic metastable M3mphiZ eb0t
1103 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> : v4s- apollojustice Merixer wzyy2
lavenders Kira Mad_Hat BLZbubba verm1n vuser djz88 evotopid Immanuel
schoppenhauer rafalcpp tommaso LV-426 Sabaku musca DJDan simp rancyd
pcdummy jssjr jadesoturi j3x KNERD m712 lappet trewas ^v nymony
JasonO benklop clorophormo martyn_h vamiry hasdf Poster shtirlic
LambdaComplex Sciuro [Gunner] bfit Frikilinux_ TuxShells rachelfish
zarzar d-k kunwon1
1104 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> you should have used tor kindone knows
where you have been : ToeSnacks nathanhi ThomasJ|d ron-slc bodeezl
cusco ioudas^working gardar metaphysician bertbob Matthew_
fourletterword Peterzen noqnio1 BbT0n xar- satbyy banging gusnan
hid3 JohnDoh ongy tadau spacebison ericnoan marienz donut_ Ralin3
at0m Dreadnaught Hoosilon_ riddle CHRiSNEW XeonSquared jmyrv bazhang
hasdf infernix e1z0 lroe Mmike Loomaanaatii jpivshi niko wzyy2
chrissl snkcld digdilem bb36e JStoker
1105 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> dax has a little weenie: Epakai e1z0
Deific n0p_ SirCmpwn probono Butt3rfly flyingkiwi waz0wski tabris
jordanm benj_ platicus2 soahccc situ` dxrt freakyy disi devurandom
deltam Croepha pseubodot RH_IO nighty- jannic verboese Graypup_
thevoi tonyoy fcharton Deviance lroe mcintosh Python1320 vegenaise
sqz db sussudio popnfresh uptime LambdaComplex MobileMatt
Eduard_Munteanu MyIgel peterS Aristide hns metaphysician kline
rdococ
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1107 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> emerson klines random people hopefully you
wont hit the kline lottery lol: nurupo wizzy_ ashka Canucktux
Merixer GPenguin shadoxx Nothing4You Exagone313 colttt foriin percY-
infernix m712 Emmanuel_Chanel dmarr chiluk Noskcaj benj_ DLange
valeech Xyle oojacoboo miklcct AlexZ_ cusco Cork hiya preview `z
toresbe Carno acperkins Atlas Granis sussudio kbelyea hagabaka
qoreQyaS ScottE bezaban Pugabyte RyanKnack RoBz murdoc` ponyofdeath
niceprogrammer cbdev Pwnna oliv
1108 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> christel is a trannie: rotaticus Delf Esya
vegenaise otih lotherk brolin_empey Jguy donut_ Marlon super_gollum
#deb mati_ sinduck x-fak Sabaku ykchavan patsToms Red_M TuxShells
gigetoo dwar smlx Akufen nurupo hasdf Alam_Squeeze mattgirv Ool
BbT0n XDS2010|AFK gunix ioudas^working Snewp lroe sayo- ScottE nwe
GGMethos tiwake Piper-Off jordanm gardar Hooloovo0 awhitlock8
Shadowcrit Zorroness_ karakedi _MMx Velgor
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1110 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> emerson cant kline: canvon rednul
zack6849 Arieh nux Clouder cmichel Enrico_Menot LucaTM hsiktas sef
vamiry tsurko duoi mvaenskae rachelfish Firztspawn Willis niko
Groenleer melvin_ rlange thevoi verm1n esainane RichiH benklop
StathisA Delf ssarah jssjr imMute BbT0n metastable r00tobo GGMethos
bipul dgp in1t3r zwamkat SM0TVI djz88 lparmentier[m] soahccc goberle
hassoon grim4593 cdown jager cliluw
1111 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> you should have used tor kindone knows
where you have been : Mathisen JyZyXEL azizLIGHT terr1 Guest54607
krups_v2 elik rant netrace fauweh BiGBOi xayto MoDaX dym chele
brimonk msev- blazeme8 ssarah Posterdati samouy Xanthor tomash
tarzeau darkstalker Eduard_Munteanu neoclust slax0r t gardar
somepoortech tommaso AlwaysHigh Marlon talin xingu solarnetone guios
v4s- Arieh nku doogaille Pseudo askz zack6849 toresbe masuberu
cheapie zabow tiwake
1112 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> dax has a little weenie: Xanthor Sabaku
mylinux james41382_ ogny Dad` Savemech preaction ptx0 bertbob Red_M
Jacob843 cvr Guest32500 r00tobo vreg vegenaise el Masaomi[m] FabTG_
AndrewMC Jdbye snkcld LocaMocha civillian strass kriskropd thoros
zululee or4n kolla jager sinduck Sir_Designer__ DJDan John341 adds68
avantgardist bsdnoob Aix_ GTAXL ToeSnacks eleusis palinuro Rockj
mattgirv SweetMuffin thallada darkstalker Ani
1113 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a
hint: promach rypervenche pelegreno_ ericnoan lolly^o tyler-baker
peterS kward J-BBB fast installibre apt knx iwkse nymony Spiffy
nutron latez tacocat eMaks blueness lord_helmet nick123 sander85
toolz Texou infernix BLZbubba binary106 hagabaka shannara MyIgel
guardian SirLagz thoros klys fauweh AciD` Namikaze jackNemrod
dysfigured sqz John341 kB` hicks_ nomad_dw BWMerlin Tarrasquero
zululee aib
1114 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> elky likes pussy: nymony llucenic
foul_owl sander85 melvin_ Rembo petemc mcintosh qoreQyaS vincent_c
jareth_ RebelCoder cherti _aeris_ spacebug^ NeoBlaster nauticalnexus
`Kevin niceprogrammer bfit raidsec frikinz wooden Guest30004
dixie7z_ ggherdov strive leochill Fusl brwoods qzo JohnDoh cryptic
Malinux shadoxx Xyle t0ne n0p_ mundus infernix prasket thoros dwar
blueness rOss^64 FabTG_ Phibonacci_ Dread riex AxForest
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1116 [10:20:50] <thevoi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a
hint: msantana Dan_au Skaag funnel melvin_ h1nk haircode CEnnis91
spooky krzych raidghost e1z0 bb36e sunkan mrm bruce549 barteks2x
Dev0n wizzy_ cusco mundus coolchris Poster zabow latez noqnio1
paradizelost SirLagz rozie amd_0x51 jmcnaught Exagone313 ageis_
like2k1 cvr msev- tabris sirecote annadane me1 romana blingrang
JustASlacker fcharton Slashman pron nathanhi rooty_ bitlan sptnx
1117 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a
hint: hashworks neoromantique StathisA knidos Slashman sethkush_
punto CodeBlue1776 sqz thu Zorroness_ Kira Natrick Xjs|moonshine
Al_lA Andy80_ Elirips Sabaku freakyy benf Poster `Kevin BWMerlin
wizzy_ woky Guest54607 olivetree_ Fusl akxwi-dave JohnDoh Bonn333
bazhang blu_ noqnio1 Ool neechan Spiffy JimmySteve canvon lukasdboer
zamuro alchemistswl sparty Spydar007 sistematico phre4k codingquark
luckman212 M3mphiZ tomr
1118 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> emerson likes to use quiet and leave:
lru Masaomi[m] JohnDoh Spydar007 hassoon bachler raSter^ tomreyn
Typhon torrezno noexcept_ shingouz johanbr thevoi staircrusher
Anarchic tukun DeaDSouL iwkse ThomasJ yonder inviz magenbrot zarzar
jubo2 OS-Stud0815 Junaos her0 Sabotender qoreQyaS georgeowell
Butt3rfly d1b hiyosi Guest52559 ibex satbyy Shadowcrit Psy-Q mati_
sn0wmonster SuperSeriousCat pk64_alt bpsecret hid3 cune NeoBlaster
Phibonacci_ Eduard_Munteanu SWAT
1119 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> christel is a trannie: morphis Croepha
xingu gregf smlx benf cryptic mundus Doldge Willis mortn Ralin3
Sabaku cateye sistematico kline ribasushi sulvone mandeep ongolaBoy
Andreas33 abrotman a fast Lazuruz Delf azg xet7 murdoc` internot
nadley cnu- jonasbits inviz ski dka azizLIGHT Jacob843 eMaks styles
flipp Furai raSter^ rant malm otih _systemd_is_evil Ool DLange
Dreadnaught
1120 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a
hint: pcdummy ThoMe phebus woky jlacroix sukaeto Gransy- afuentes
APexil GNU\colossus Granis Nomads dsnow_ tukun nO0b idmistir ongy
jesopo cdown Comstock Cosmophile holmgren uptime systo beaver
metaphysician awhitlock8 tabris netrace BlackPanx Voldenet Rokixz
ron-slc fstd Zorroness_ toorop ongolaBoy paul3 [red]claw WARBIRD199
Andocromn Texou maik linuxthefish dax SirLagz chrissl bazhang
LambdaCalculus37 sokrates_
1121 [10:20:50] <thevoi> emerson cant kline: KindOne bemawi imMute
tobiw Typhon qqx XDS2010|AFK benaiah dondelelcaro coolchris Otyg
_MMx RH_IO DXR ws2k3 Piggy sinduck twisted` d00bster gigetoo kunwon1
tobias1 Ad1Tech x42 RebelCoder incal johanbr koollman waz0wski
clorophormo Hobby_boy enoch85 JPT nshp flipp Robby mr__tea xingu
Dagger Blanco GJdan Hijiri syamaoka armin netzach Slashman Kitty
vaidy Downer codebam_
1122 [10:20:50] <thevoi> emerson likes to use quiet and leave:
ibex mdroid GTAXL mortn boser Epakai keith81 Pjusur canvon Tom-_
afx237 nopf Galihom eck homegrown wzyy2 simon_q pfote SQL arha_
Commander1024 Blanco hank ijmad_ nickdastain gigetoo mvaenskae Raed
CrypticSquared eki flipp nadley Mahe TacoGS Churr0z seyeongkim ashka
churnd like2k1 nrs_ darxmurf e1z0 dym userfree Canucktux CeBe
geordie hsiktas mundus RichiH
1123 [10:20:50] <thevoi> opal is a man with a dong: adi teej
infinity_ annadane waz0wski Askr Eduard_Munteanu graingert
Zauberfisch mundus d00bster leachim6 anthony25 Scuttle Rothgar
bionix Spydar007 disposable2 abracadaniel barteks2x cooldude botho
nickdastain petitor cherti gluon w0bni rozie apt koollman Otyg
ryan-c RUDE JPT xand bemawi sandeepkr Sluml tiin57 theluckymike
bodeezl atomi seprob le_pig lru oberling Cork oojacoboo noqnio1 jrj
1124 [10:20:50] <thevoi> kindone has a database of your ips and
the rooms you have been in: SQL n0p_ valdyn lolly^o rooty_ Jguy
cyboman33 bzed tdn Dragon092 Guest52559 MichaelSasser ectospasm
rolig apt jandrusk N0SSH jair disi pseubodot alreece45 bemawi
Henry151 Robby joze Spiffy freanux spacebison GJdan nick123 daniel2
F14W3D bier James_T oberling himuraken [Gunner] RT_FM phorce1_home
rozie Butt3rfly tobiasBora schoppenhauer AciD` McErroneous p0rt
levifig paul3 superkulak strive
1125 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> e cant code: GNU\colossus paulgrmn
james41382_ Mercury_Vapor Anarchic lifeofguenter cbdev qzo blackwell
tadz Rokixz Hooloovo0 krups_v2 kalebo otih planetmaker imMute jesopo
yonder somepoortech metastable Typhon Janhouse quenode benklop
Jim[m] monty duckydan volter SkIzZaTo coolchris rOss^64 sijamdy qtch
linuxthefish Pedr0 awhitlock8 dreamon_ TriJetScud ceptor Schwarzbaer
Junaos Hijiri geordie breitenj x-fak Mottengrotte__ toto Randy
pingfloyd
1126 [10:20:50] <thevoi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a
hint: Emmanuel_Chanel Ener pixdamix GNU\colossus benf zupzupper v4s-
h1nk sandroandrade nagetier lexruee jrtc27 verm1n nyuszika7h ceptor
johanbr BiGBOi beardo MyIgel scc goiken- nomad_dw aindilis ziongate
bzed mossman rotaticus tekmo churnd Nevolution2 davidebeatrici skza
gunix nyaomi superkulak d00bster _tremo skney sandman13 Apeiron`
mundus jackNemrod almostdvs peteski Zardoz vvande ws2k3 ryan-c
installibre nopf
1127 [10:20:50] <thevoi> dax has a little weenie: Mikail
NoxiousPluK tekmo namix idmistir atomi M3mphiZ sheedy sc_ jiphex
theluckymike nodauf Savemech {41444d494e} saboru DLange ki0_
MonsterKiller sandman13 pinnen kirb dxrt yokel Eduard_Munteanu beaky
strass LeandroLuiz eck Skaag pingfloyd mf|cloud seyeongkim scc
Lxrowe Schmiel rotaticus unixbassen situ` angular_mike___ Arieh
bazhang ceptor xet7 totonika vamiry TReK ijmad_ AlwaysHigh urzds
MichaelSasser
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1129 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> kindone has a database of your ips and
the rooms you have been in: BWMerlin renzhi bluszcz sinduck Haxxa
killian99 valerius FoolishOwl ecelis xingu HauM1 bipul
Tristan-Speccy Hestben thallada vook sethkush_ babilen dexta
ioudas^working iCherry Typhon shingouz rakor1 berndj Hooloovo0 zyley
__marco Weeezy kline fbaca raSter^ samouy amospalla _MMx thiagoss
AlwaysHigh nku leochill Quick_Wango lel or4n christel greenbagels
teej colttt przemoc [red]claw hiya guerby
1130 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> opal is a man with a dong: GPenguin
MoDaX jmnk platicus2 Mahe s0lar1s eri451 rlange nnyby richvdh Ard1t
Clouder _MMx knx tadz strive BotaniCar blueness cateye Frikilinux_
snkcld Esya Ad1Tech phaseNi gregf Tarrasquero coolchris Rockj in1t3r
integral Comstock kimico cdown jager Posterdati mdroid Speed2u
sander85 mattgirv precise hiyosi ageis_ cloropho tomocha_
Loomaanaatii Phate LordLamer hiya tabris Haxxa
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1140 [10:20:56] <slax0r> yes
1141 [10:20:58] <greenbagels> aw
1142 [10:21:02] <slax0r> I'm included!
1143 [10:21:06] <greenbagels> I was hoping someone actually wanted
to talk to me
1144 [10:21:07] <Voldenet> I feel important
1145 [10:21:08] <greenbagels> :(
1146 [10:21:08] <JyZyXEL> i feel so needed
1147 [10:21:15] <slax0r> back to the salt mines
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1150 [10:21:25] <greenbagels> slax0r: s-salty bet?
1151 [10:21:26] <toruvinn> it's incredible people stll bother
doing this
1152 [10:21:31] <bsdnoob> what was that?
1153 [10:21:32] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if they are gonna use
paste.debian.net now
1154 [10:21:41] <leachim6> these fsckers
1155 [10:21:46] <Al_lA> ...
1156 [10:21:50] <ongy> I was surprised someone in this channel
would ping me...
1157 [10:21:58] <binary106> hey, i'm popular!
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1159 [10:22:04] <Al_lA> kindone has public data about me and knows
i idle in linux channels
1160 [10:22:06] <Al_lA> so scare
1161 [10:22:08] <leachim6> lol
1162 [10:22:09] <toruvinn> seems like many people waiting for a
grouphug here. ;-)
1163 [10:22:17] <leachim6> this server is like 2000 miles away
from where I live
1164 [10:22:23] <leachim6> and it's part of a public
block....
1165 [10:22:25] <leachim6> who cares
1166 [10:22:27] <greenbagels> JyZyXEL: I died, thank you for
making that joke
1167 [10:22:27] <JyZyXEL> why do i even have highlight anymore?
99% of time it's this.
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1169 [10:22:33] <binary106> so when we live on mars, our ping is
going to be 90 seconds?
1170 [10:22:42] <leachim6> JyZyXEL: it's ok buddy, I think
you're alright
1171 [10:22:45] <toresbe> at least it creates life in the channel
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1173 [10:22:47] <bsdnoob> anyone watching mrrobot?
1174 [10:22:58] <leachim6> haven't caught up on s2 yet
1175 [10:23:00] <leachim6> no spoilers :O
1176 [10:23:05] <binary106> same, no s2 yet
1177 [10:23:10] <koollman> binary106: with huge variations
depending on the earth/mars relative position
1178 [10:23:11] <bsdnoob> our cousins are getting some tv time
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1182 [10:23:49] <bsdnoob> mint & kali that is
1183 [10:23:51] <koollman> binary106: (and probably higher than
that. I think I remember 14 minutes average latency)
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1186 [10:24:03] <binary106> so with only the superrich living on
mars, and 100s of years before the working class can afford a
ticket.. means the genetic base on mars is going to split away from
earth pretty fast imo
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1191 [10:25:42] <gunix> this spam was so useless. not even one
onion link.
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1194 [10:26:10] <bsdnoob> gunix, do you want some of them....cough
cough...?
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1196 [10:27:33] <gunix> i'll send you a message when i feel
emotionally ready for the dark parts of the net
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1201 [10:28:41] <Lxrowe> thevoi, wtf.
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1207 [10:31:25] <blingrang> wasn't there an attack about a
while back on the entire freenode network pm'ing links to
"dark parts of the net"
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1210 [10:32:31] <petn-randall> blingrang: Let's move this
discussion to #debian-offtopic to keep this channel free for
support.
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1212 [10:33:11] <blingrang> petn-randall, ok and sorry
1213 [10:33:18] <Al_lA> i have a question for everyone: if i just
did cp or rsync to copy all of /, would i run into any problems
trying to boot off the copy?
1214 [10:33:59] <Al_lA> i mean, is there anything in a debian
install that won't copy? i assume i'd have to do it as
root
1215 [10:34:02] <petn-randall> Al_lA: You still need a working
grub MBR or grub on the EFI system partition to boot from it.
1216 [10:34:11] <XeonSquared> as long as you don't try to
copy the contents of the special dirs it should be fine if you have
a bootloader
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1218 [10:34:22] <hellyeah> was that flooding?
1219 [10:34:29] <XeonSquared> hell yeah it was
1220 [10:34:36] <Al_lA> petn-randall yep, ok. thanks. XeonSquared
ah, that's sorta what i was thinking of. do you mean don't
copy /sys, for example?
1221 [10:34:56] <XeonSquared> /sys, /dev, etc.
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1223 [10:35:15] <XeonSquared> I think rsync has a flag for
'same filesystem' which could work
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1225 [10:35:53] <Loomaanaatii> I was pinged
1226 [10:35:55] <Loomaanaatii> Wat
1227 [10:36:03] <Al_lA> kk. cheers
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1229 [10:36:24] <Al_lA> it is going to be on nearly the same
hardware, i just want to change the hardware RAID underneath it
1230 [10:36:32] <Al_lA> by which i mean reconfigure
1231 [10:37:09] <annadane> Loomaanaatii, ignore it, just spam
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1233 [10:37:36] <Loomaanaatii> Aww I thought I had friends
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1253 [10:55:39] <dexta> gm
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1289 [11:22:32] <ezra-s> I have issues with ethernet security
802.1x configuration, when I try to change the password and apply
changes, the password is not changed when I return to the same
option, old password remains there. I can only success disabling
security and defining it again from scratch, debian 9 up to date.
1290 [11:23:05] <ezra-s> this all is from gnome-shell.
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1328 [11:35:07] <eb0t> hey applications on debian are a little bit
dated
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1330 [11:35:38] <eb0t> that is fine they work brilliantly, but my
worry is ...if i have firefox 49 installed and the current version
of firefox is version 56
1331 [11:35:51] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1332 [11:35:53] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie:
45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release:
52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security:
52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
1333 [11:36:04] <petn-randall> ,v firefox
1334 [11:36:05] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2;
experimental: 57.0~b9-1
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1336 [11:36:40] <petn-randall> eb0t: Looks like you haven't
been updating in quite a while, or you're not running Debian
proper. FF 49 isn't in Debian anymore.
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1338 [11:38:02] <eb0t> no i was speaking hypothetically
petn-randall
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1340 [11:38:31] <eb0t> i dont understand how anything but the
latest version of firefox can be considered secure
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1342 [11:38:56] <petn-randall> eb0t: We usually don't discuss
hypotheticals here, but provide support. In the case of Firefox
there is a ESR version that is supported, that is shipped in Debian.
1343 [11:39:27] <eb0t> esr ..ok i ll look up what ESR MEANS.
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1346 [11:41:07] <petn-randall> !firefox esr
1347 [11:41:07] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see
replaced-url
1348 [11:41:50] <eb0t> thanks petn-randall
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1405 [12:03:52] <petn-randall> eb0t: ESR means it'll get
bugfixes and security updates, but no new features. Over time
this means that the number of total (known and unknown) bugs
decreases with time in that codebase.
1406 [12:04:28] <petn-randall> eb0t: However, if you suffer a
severe case of SNS, you can use mozilla.debian.net to get the newest
firefox on your system.
1407 [12:04:46] <H3nrik> y
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1467 [12:46:49] <Kira> Our server running Jessie suddenly
rebooted. It *doesn't* look like a kernel panic or reboot
caused by faulty hardware.
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1470 [12:47:12] <Kira> From the logs, we can see some services
received SIGTERM before the machine rebooted.
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1472 [12:47:37] <colo-work> _which_ logs?
1473 [12:47:37] <Kira> Does anybody have ideas how to I determine
what caused the reboot?
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1476 [12:49:19] <Kira> colo-work: e.g. /var/log/syslog says that
rsyslogd exiting on signal 15.
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1486 [12:52:42] <Kira> /var/log/daemon.log says the same thing.
1487 [12:53:33] <Kira> postgresql's log also says it shutdown
on sigterm
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1489 [12:55:04] <nix64bit> I am still getting a frozen screen, any
ideas how to debug this? I cant find any error messages?
1490 [12:55:09] <Droid2Debian> We must be talking about debugging
a faulty or flawed install / configuration Kira I might also br
worth running a smart test on you;re hdd Kira
1491 [12:55:39] <nix64bit> Some days it freezes a few times a day,
sometimes it doesnt freeze for weeks
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1493 [12:55:57] <Droid2Debian> nix64bit, Do you mean as in x
server not wanting to load
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1495 [12:56:35] <nix64bit> Droid2Debian: I work for a while and i
get a bit of pixalation and have to restart
1496 [12:56:36] <Droid2Debian> Possibly a case of incorrect
istallation media used?
1497 [12:56:58] <jelly-home> Kira: if some processes received
SIGTERM that implies it was something like a manually initiated
reboot. ctrl-alt-del on the console?
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1499 [12:57:09] <nix64bit> I can ssh into my box so it seems to be
x related
1500 [12:57:22] <Kira> jelly-home: the only thing my fellow admin
remembers is that he unplugged the USB keyboard from the server.
1501 [12:57:45] <jelly-home> Kira: is ita remotely manageable
server?
1502 [12:57:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> The systemd journal should log
reboots.
1503 [12:57:56] <Kira> We have it physically with us in the
office.
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1505 [12:58:23] <jelly-home> Kira: did someone accidentally the
physical power button?
1506 [12:58:42] <Kira> I don't think so. Unless the chassis
is faulty.
1507 [12:58:42] <colo-work> Kira, does the physical host have
watchdog capabilities?
1508 [12:59:04] <Droid2Debian> nix64bit, to you have a
video/graphics card that requires propitiatory drivers
1509 [12:59:09] <Kira> colo-work: it's in our office, not at
a colocation datacenter or anything like that.
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1511 [12:59:41] <nix64bit> Droid2Debian: it does but I dont use
any
1512 [12:59:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> Does it have an attached UPS?
1513 [13:00:01] <Kira> yes
1514 [13:00:02] <Droid2Debian> Amd or remote management
capabilites
1515 [13:00:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Kira, a power failure could
trigger shutdown then
1516 [13:00:16] <Kira> And the UPS is healthy.
1517 [13:00:38] <Kira> No, we don't shutdown on mains
failure.
1518 [13:00:44] <Kira> at least not automatically.
1519 [13:00:58] <nix64bit> I would rather not use proprietry
driver
1520 [13:01:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> You could unplug the UPS and see
if it shuts down.
1521 [13:01:10] <Kira> And there was no mains failure.
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1523 [13:01:40] <Droid2Debian> Eduard_Munteanu, You prob lay need
a firmwampackage out of restricted repoitoryie
1524 [13:02:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> Droid2Debian, don't tell me
:)
1525 [13:02:12] <Kira> Eduard_Munteanu: we haven't connected
the control cable to trigger a shutdown from the UPS, so that's
not possible.
1526 [13:02:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah.
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1529 [13:03:09] <colo-work> Kira, does the system have a SEL?
(system event log, implemented on a BMC)
1530 [13:03:12] <Droid2Debian> Kira, What brand of UPS is this
particulat ups?
1531 [13:03:22] <colo-work> if it does, maybe that can shed some
light on what happened
1532 [13:03:34] <colo-work> the BMC could "fake" an ACPI
power event
1533 [13:03:39] <colo-work> and trigger a reboot/shutdown that way
1534 [13:04:04] <Droid2Debian> colo-work, you make a great point
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1536 [13:05:03] <Kira> Droid2Debian: APC Smart-UPS, but I just
double checked and we really haven't connected the control
cables.
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1538 [13:05:21] <Kira> colo-work: how could I check? We have a
SuperMicro server.
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1540 [13:05:36] <Kira> ipmitool?
1541 [13:05:38] <Droid2Debian> Ow about a failing power supply
unit or another failing or faulty compenet?
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1543 [13:05:57] <colo-work> Kira, good :) you could either gain
access to the BMC via IPMI remote control, or install
"ipmitool" on the host and use that (requires root privs)
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1545 [13:06:06] <Kira> Droid2Debian: but then it wouldn't
look like a graceful reboot, would it?
1546 [13:06:10] <colo-work> `ipmitool sel list` should do the
trick iirc
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1549 [13:06:22] <colo-work> you might need to modprobe
ipmi_devintf or some such module first
1550 [13:06:25] <colo-work> for ipmitool to work
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1552 [13:06:44] <Droid2Debian> certianlly notg
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1559 [13:07:52] <Kira> ipmitool sel list shows me two events from
early this morning, a lot earlier than the reboot.
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1565 [13:09:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Try journalctl -b -1 -t systemd
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1575 [13:16:10] <jelly-home> nix64bit: anything in Xorg.0.log or
kern.log when that happens?
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1579 [13:16:52] <Kira> What's -t?
1580 [13:16:54] <freezer> hi
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1582 [13:17:02] <Kira> jelly-home: I don't see that in the
manpage.
1583 [13:17:20] <nix64bit> jelly-home: I havent looked, how do I
view those logs?
1584 [13:17:34] <jelly-home> nix64bit: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1585 [13:17:39] <jelly-home> and similar
1586 [13:17:39] <freezer> any Idea why the "Total" in
iptraf Detailed Interface Statistics can be much less than
"IP" or "TCP" ?
1587 [13:17:47] <nix64bit> thanks
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1592 [13:19:31] <Kira> jelly-home: there's no -t with
journalctl on Jessie, it seems.
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1594 [13:20:22] <jelly-home> Kira: I blame Eduard_Munteanu
1595 [13:20:38] <Kira> oh, sorry, lol
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1598 [13:21:09] <Kira> I also can't get -b -1
1599 [13:21:37] <nix64bit> jelly-home: I tried less
/var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW and EE but very little info
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1601 [13:22:45] <nix64bit> 6.913] (WW) The directory
"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. would
hardly kill the graphics card
1602 [13:22:53] <nix64bit> i could be wrong
1603 [13:22:56] <jelly-home> if you're on stretch Xorg.0.log
may be in user's home not the global one. I don't remember
how that happens or what the exact location is
1604 [13:23:25] <nix64bit> i can do find
1605 [13:23:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, I'm on stretch.
1606 [13:24:03] <vvz> nix64bit, ~/.local/share/xorg
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1610 [13:24:19] <nix64bit> thanks
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1615 [13:27:35] <nix64bit> (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open
/dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
1616 [13:27:54] <nix64bit> why is it even doing that?
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1618 [13:28:49] <nix64bit> Fatal server error:
1619 [13:29:51] <jelly-home> nix64bit: pastebin the full thing, or
the last ~200 lines instead of picking one line. Context is useful.
1620 [13:29:56] <jelly-home> !paste
1621 [13:29:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1624 [13:31:32] <vvz> nix64bit, what's your group membership
-- video? wheel?
1625 [13:32:11] <nix64bit> I am going to paste it now i think its
video
1626 [13:34:21] <nix64bit>
replaced-url
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1629 [13:36:23] <vvz> nix64bit, so you can't access
/dev/tty0. Try after adding your user to the wheel group
1630 [13:36:45] <nix64bit> ok will do
1631 [13:37:08] <nix64bit> it happen so seldom then 2 in a day
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1635 [13:39:39] <nix64bit> vvz: i dont have a wheel group must i
create it?
1636 [13:40:34] <vvz> nix64bit, no sudo then?
1637 [13:40:46] <vvz> nix64bit, there's a bug report:
replaced-url
1638 [13:40:47] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1639 [13:41:01] <jelly-home> debian has no wheels! :-)
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1641 [13:41:15] <nix64bit> seems not
1642 [13:41:38] <vvz> jelly-home, oops... sudo
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1652 [13:51:19] <nix64bit> dpkg-reconfigure x11-common doesnt work
anymore
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1659 [13:55:01] <nix64bit> I added the suggested fix and restarted
is there anyway to check it is fixed?
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1661 [13:55:02] <MaxFrames> hi
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1664 [13:55:15] <nix64bit> hello
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1666 [13:55:57] <MaxFrames> I am not receiving any more emails
from the arpwatch daemon, I need to double check the smtp settings;
in the arpwatch.conf file I did not specify a mailer, so it has to
be using the default one, but I forgot what is and where its conf
file is located
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1668 [13:56:02] <MaxFrames> this is debian 7
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1670 [13:56:58] <abrotman> Likely exim
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1675 [14:00:31] <nix64bit> thanks Droid2Debian vvz jelly-home
1676 [14:00:48] <nix64bit> hopefully the weird error is gone
1677 [14:01:23] <jelly> MaxFrames: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
1678 [14:01:51] <MaxFrames> the only thing I changed was the
recipient address (the new one is @outlook.it), I haven't
received any more messages since (it's been a month)
1679 [14:01:55] <jelly> cron just uses the local MTA, and I think
arpwatch just runs via a cron job
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1683 [14:02:49] <abrotman> MaxFrames: it's entirely possible
they're being flagged as spam? have you checked your outbound
email logs?
1684 [14:03:04] <MaxFrames> wilco
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1686 [14:03:32] <MaxFrames> the output of the command anyway is
"exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail"
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1689 [14:04:25] <gpunk> yes outlook* mark as spam almost anyone
with his own server !
1690 [14:04:30] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: All of Microsoft's
domains are well feared for just blackholing incoming mails for
dubious reasons, there's even factoid about it on #postfix. If
your /var/log/mail.log says the mail got successfully relayed, this
is likely the case.
1691 [14:05:21] <gpunk> you to atleast have a spf record on your
MX ...
1692 [14:06:26] <MaxFrames> thanks. spot on. mail was blocked by
outlook's spam filter
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1696 [14:07:33] <gpunk> good luck , thats a microsoft monster ...
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1698 [14:08:25] <MaxFrames> no, my fault, the sender address is
bogus
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1701 [14:11:40] <MaxFrames> it's arpwatch@myhostname, so no
wonder outlook considers it phishy
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1707 [14:13:28] <Droid2Debian> yyeahNix you need a fully qualified
domain following your username to demonstraight legitamcy of
you're emai;l account
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1711 [14:16:10] <MaxFrames> it also blocked other automated alerts
in the form of [bogus username]@[valid domain], but not all of
them... some of these did not go in the junk mail folder... who
knows why
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1722 [14:22:23] <jelly> MaxFrames: so you're on exim, the
default mta. Logs are in /var/log/exim4/mainlog if I remember
correctly
1723 [14:23:10] <jelly> if your system has a static public ip
address there's a number of things you can do to improve
deliverability
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1725 [14:23:41] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Mails from my server
going to user@hotmail.com were accepted and silently deleted, which
caused a huge administrative pain on my side. I had to contact my
datacentre admins who could contact the MS mail admins and lobbied
to remove my server from their internal blocklist. Good luck with
that, though.
1726 [14:23:42] <MaxFrames> I dunno why it sends mail as
arpwatch@hostname, probably arpwatch's default
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1729 [14:25:14] <jelly> MaxFrames: it's a local MTA default,
you get that when the sending software does not specify an envelope
sender address at all
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1732 [14:25:45] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: This ^^^
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1736 [14:26:42] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: /etc/mailname should
have your FQDN, I think also exim4 parses that. Otherwise you need
to check how it's done with exim4.
1737 [14:26:57] <MaxFrames> thx
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ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc KVIrc Aria 4.9.2, revision:
git-7103-g48fd3bc45, build type: release, sources date: 20170413,
built on: 2017-04-13 10:59:32 UTC git-7103-g48fd3bc45
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1767 [14:42:36] <ForceRecon> where beith the installation iso,
64bit, amd, with non free and firmware?
1768 [14:42:46] <jelly> !firmware images
1769 [14:42:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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1771 [14:44:06] <ForceRecon>
replaced-url
1772 [14:44:10] <ForceRecon> thank you so much
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1781 [14:47:09] <sbeex> hello guys
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1783 [14:48:25] <sbeex> I have a pain in the ass with this git and
gnutls thing... when I do a git clone something I get :
gnutls_handshake() failed: An unexpected TLS packet was received
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1785 [14:48:44] <sbeex> do you have a proper way to solve it ? I
already did a apt-get purge git and reinstalled it but no way
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1789 [14:49:50] <Droid2Debian> Are there any good how tos or even
better yet precompiled debs of the 4.17.x series kernel?
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1791 [14:50:40] <jelly> Droid2Debian: 4.15 and 4.16 will have to
happen before that
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1793 [14:51:24] <gpunk> even 4.14 lol
1794 [14:51:24] <hipodilski> hi guys
1795 [14:51:42] <hipodilski> after upgrade from apache 2.2 to
apache 2.4 (debian 7 -> 8) i'm trying to migrate old configs
1796 [14:51:52] <hipodilski> i've enabled 2 vhosts and trying
to make them work
1797 [14:51:57] <hipodilski> when I access them I get this in
error log
1798 [14:51:58] <hipodilski> [Thu Oct 19 15:49:58.706597 2017]
[autoindex:error] [pid 24766:tid 139677684213504] [client
192.168.0.150:45218] AH01276: Cannot serve directory /var/replaced-url
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1800 [14:52:11] <hipodilski> any idea why it is trying to access
/var/replaced-url
1801 [14:52:14] <hipodilski> and where is this defined
1802 [14:52:24] <hipodilski> I already searched with grep through
configs and did not find it defined anywhere
1803 [14:52:36] <hipodilski> :/etc/apache2# grep -rli /var/replaced-url
1804 [14:52:40] <jelly> hipodilski: for a start, look at your
enabled VirtualHost definitions, run: apachectl -S
1805 [14:52:41] <hipodilski> :/etc/apache2#
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1807 [14:54:14] <hipodilski> jelly: ok so found that
1808 [14:54:27] <hipodilski> now there is another error i tried
installing php5 and I got this 'AH00534: apache2: Configuration
error: No MPM loaded.
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1810 [14:54:36] <hipodilski> jelly: any idea how to work around
this ?
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1813 [14:55:58] <hipodilski> I have both apache2-mpm-worker and
apache2-mpm-prefork installed
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1815 [14:56:34] <hipodilski> any help is very much appreaciated ..
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1817 [14:57:15] <gpunk> a2enmod and then double tab to see what
modules are EnableAble
1818 [14:57:28] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Hard to say with only a
cherrypicked single line out of the logs (which logs)?
1819 [14:57:41] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Also, how did you try
installing php5?
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1828 [15:00:15] <hipodilski> petn-randall: with apt-get
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1830 [15:01:18] <petn-randall> !bat
1831 [15:01:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1832 [15:01:22] <jelly> hipodilski: uh, changes in apache 2.2
-> 2.4 are kind of covered in jessie release notes, are they not?
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1835 [15:01:34] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Can you provide all the
info above in a single paste?
1836 [15:01:35] <jelly> !jessie release notes
1837 [15:01:35] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8
"Jessie" are at
replaced-url
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1840 [15:02:06] <Droid2Debian> please pastebin you're long
lofg files and configuration files
1841 [15:02:22] <jelly> hipodilski: I don't remember exactly,
but mpm is chosen via a2enstuff
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1843 [15:03:59] <nix64bit> still crashing my nvidia even with the
patch need to get the proprietory drivers
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1845 [15:04:29] <Droid2Debian> I am currently trying to extracate
my self from a failing relationship and my parrents won't let
me get out offf a two year vzw contract because thety think i am
being a jerk about it.
1846 [15:05:43] <gpunk> a2enmod mpm_prefork to enable it
1847 [15:05:58] <gpunk> and restart apache ...
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1859 [15:12:13] <hipodilski> jelly: i think i solved that so far
1860 [15:12:26] <hipodilski> back to mpm_prefork but unfortunately
now vhosts doesn't seem to work
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1868 [15:16:51] <hipodilski> any idea why apache might not be
respecting vhosts
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1870 [15:17:01] <hipodilski> apache 2.4
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1872 [15:17:28] <hipodilski> my vhost alias module is loaded
1873 [15:17:29] <hipodilski> d# ls -al *vhost*
1874 [15:17:29] <hipodilski> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 окт 19
16:11 vhost_alias.load -> ../mods-available/vhost_alias.load
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1887 [15:22:54] <gpunk> it needs to go to mods-enabled
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1889 [15:24:29] <hipodilski> did the way vhosts are loadeed
changed in apache2.4?
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1892 [15:24:51] <hipodilski> aren't vhosts links from
/etc/apache2/sites-avaiable/
1893 [15:24:52] <hipodilski> ?
1894 [15:25:06] <gpunk> yes...
1895 [15:25:12] <themill> no, enabled
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1897 [15:25:21] <gpunk> yes enabled my bad
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1899 [15:25:39] <gpunk> what is your apache2ct -S ?
1900 [15:25:44] <gpunk> ctl*
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1909 [15:31:07] <hipodilski>
replaced-url
1910 [15:31:09] <hipodilski> that's what it shows
1911 [15:31:57] <gpunk> and "ls -l
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" please
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1913 [15:32:41] <jelly> hipodilski: oh, make sure the symlinked
stuff under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ has *.conf extension
1914 [15:33:00] <hipodilski>
replaced-url
1915 [15:33:14] <hipodilski> jelly: aint load without .conf?
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1918 [15:33:28] <gpunk> yes they wont ...
1919 [15:33:53] * themill hands hipodilski a2ensite
1920 [15:33:57] <jelly> one piece of sanity added there.
1921 [15:34:07] <hipodilski> ah yes I guess it is the conf thing
..
1922 [15:34:27] <jelly> but I thought that was changed even in
wheezy
1923 [15:34:32] <wwhite> Hi guys, how can I install debian 9 with
kde with wayland?
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1926 [15:35:28] <jelly> nope, wheezy still had
1927 [15:35:31] <jelly> # Include the virtual host configurations:
1928 [15:35:31] <jelly> Include sites-enabled/
1929 [15:35:33] <gpunk> I think proproatary drivers dont work with
wayland yet
1930 [15:35:48] <jelly> we always fixed that locally
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1963 [15:49:45] <bow_emp> if i install ufw on top of iptables,
will this have an effect on my existing connections ?
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1965 [15:50:21] <EchoIsON> why ubunutu > debian
1966 [15:50:48] <jelly> EchoIsON: a question better answered in
#ubuntu, don't you think?
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1968 [15:50:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about why debian
1969 [15:51:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about why not debian
1970 [15:51:23] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about ubuntu
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1975 [15:52:02] <EchoIsON> thx
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1989 [15:56:32] <jhutchins> jelly: <why not debian> appears
to be null (which maybe is the point).
1990 [15:57:02] <jelly> dpkg: listkeys why not
1991 [15:57:04] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'why not' by
key (15 of 24): #debian why not ;; _default why not ;; _default why
not dist upgrade ;; _default why not dist-upgrade ;; why not ;; why
not a ppa ;; why not amd64 ;; why not dist upgrade ;; why not
dist-upgrade ;; why not dmm ;; why not mozilla ;; why not nvidia
installer ;; why not ppa ;; why not unstable ;; why not use a ppa.
1992 [15:57:26] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Heh, I like your way of
thinking ;)
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1996 [16:00:22] <forcerecon> hello fellow debians.. I have done
this before but I cannot remember for the life of me.. How to fix..
3 monitors, fresh stretch install with non free and firmware dvd..
only main monitor working and resolution is at 1024 laptop mode..
What must I do.. I have paper this time to write it all down
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2001 [16:01:25] <forcerecon> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] (rev a1)
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2017 [16:04:59] <jelly> forcerecon: that card? read /msg dpkg
nvidia dkms
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2024 [16:07:23] <forcerecon> hey jelly thanks.. I am reading now..
This is what I did last time? odd.. don't rememeber that, but
it has been about 7 months..
2025 [16:07:34] <ska> I'm unable to disable the PC speaker in
9.1. I think the module is in the kernel. I've tried most
things I could find.
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2029 [16:09:44] <petn-randall> ska: It's a kernel module
called "pcspkr", like it has been in the last 5 releases
or so.
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2031 [16:10:19] <petn-randall> ska: You could simply blacklist it,
depending on what problem you're trying to solve.
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2033 [16:10:35] <rafalcpp> how to set CPU frequency (x86_64)?
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2036 [16:10:52] <rafalcpp> cpufreq-set -u 3000 fails
2037 [16:11:03] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
2038 [16:11:03] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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2040 [16:11:25] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: error message is not
helpful: "Error setting new values."
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2042 [16:12:05] <rafalcpp>
open("/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq",
O_WRONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2043 [16:12:09] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Does your CPU allow being
set by the OS?
2044 [16:12:17] <rafalcpp> indeed, I have nothing
"governor" in /sys/ at all. shouldn't there be?
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2046 [16:12:25] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: dunno, how to check? AMD
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2048 [16:12:48] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You'd probably have
to check the datasheets belonging to the CPU.
2049 [16:13:13] <rafalcpp> should there be /sys/ | grep governor ?
do you have such files/
2050 [16:13:41] <rafalcpp> hm I have on other machine...
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2053 [16:14:04] <jelly> forcerecon: you're giving me little
reason to look up what you did the last time in the logs. The
channel however has public logs so maybe you can look it up by
yourself.
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2055 [16:15:49] <forcerecon> jelly: don't worry I did not
want you to look up the logs.. sorry..
2056 [16:15:55] <forcerecon> Ill figure it out :)
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2058 [16:17:33] <forcerecon> I would like to look at the public
logs.. can you toss me a link to them?
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2062 [16:18:43] <jelly> !irc logs
2063 [16:18:44] <dpkg> hmm... irclog is #debian on
<freenode> is logged at
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2089 [16:27:28] <rafalcpp> is wireshark broken in debian 8? it
shows "broken packages" with source like
6666:666:6666:6666... when it sees UDP packet
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2097 [16:31:40] <jelly> rafalcpp: broken packets?
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2101 [16:32:40] <rafalcpp> err packets. jelly
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2154 [16:58:28] <nix64bit> jelly: any solutions to that bug?
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2158 [16:58:53] <nix64bit> i have installed the proprrietry nvidia
drivers
2159 [16:59:33] <nix64bit> how to check if they all correctly
installed?
2160 [16:59:45] <gpunk> run glxinfo
2161 [16:59:53] <gpunk> and glxgears ...
2162 [17:00:07] <gpunk> dmesg ...
2163 [17:00:17] <gpunk> the Xorg log
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2167 [17:01:48] <nix64bit> 5.428813] nvidia: module license
'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
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2169 [17:01:50] <nix64bit> haha
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2176 [17:05:53] <thnee> dist-upgraded my Testing, now when
starting terminals with zsh as shell, the terminal just closes
immediately without any error. if I use bash instead, and then start
zsh manually, it works. wtf?
2177 [17:06:11] <gpunk> yeah wtf
2178 [17:06:18] <nkuttler> !tell thnee about debian-next
2179 [17:06:43] <gpunk> yeah he got nexted
2180 [17:06:57] <thnee> oh separate channel, got it, thanks
2181 [17:07:12] <gpunk> on oftc network
2182 [17:07:16] <gpunk> not on freenode
2183 [17:07:20] <jelly> thnee: fix your .zshrc ?
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2185 [17:07:53] <jelly> who uses zsh but does NOT have it as a
login shell
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2187 [17:08:17] <thnee> that was clearly a temporary fix
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2189 [17:08:38] <nkuttler> make it permanent?
2190 [17:08:47] <jelly> bash is a temporary fix, yeah
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2194 [17:09:08] <thnee> nah =) its weird to run two shells for no
real reason
2195 [17:10:10] <jelly> if zsh stopped working I'd just
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2196 [17:10:13] <tw> What's weird about that >.>
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2199 [17:11:33] <gpunk> 👩🔬
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2246 [17:28:38] <altendky> i installed stretch yesterday and was
going to switch to testing. i read the upgrade 1-2-3 at
replaced-url
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2249 [17:29:03] <altendky> just want to make sure before i go
disabling security updates
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2251 [17:29:34] <mauro25987> hi
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2253 [17:29:49] <mauro25987> who helps me with mdadm?
2254 [17:29:54] <mutante> altendky: that's right, if you want
"testing" then "no stable lines left" is correct
2255 [17:30:04] <nkuttler> !ask
2256 [17:30:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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2260 [17:30:34] <altendky> mutante: sure. but the instructions say
to first replace all the stable lines with testing so there already
wouldn't be any.
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2262 [17:30:39] <mauro25987> I run debian jessie with mdadm
2263 [17:31:02] <mutante> altendky: 1) means the
"regular" package source lines and 2) means "stable
security" lines
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2267 [17:32:27] <mutante> altendky: lol, wait, now i am confused
myself by "If you are tracking testing or the next-stable code
name, you should always have a corresponding deb
replaced-url
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2269 [17:32:56] <mutante> because before it says to remove any
"security.debian.org" lines, heh
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2273 [17:33:55] <mutante> altendky: either way, the string
"stable" should not appear in it anymore :)
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2275 [17:34:08] <altendky> mutante: yeah, that much makes sense :]
2276 [17:34:41] <altendky> mutante: but i don't really want
to be going without security updates (not that i really know what
comes from the security repo)
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2279 [17:35:39] <mutante> altendky: well, it's like
"there are kind of maybe still some updates" see
replaced-url
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2283 [17:36:19] <mutante> i should phrase it differently. "we
will try but there are no guarantees" maybe
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2287 [17:37:13] <n4dir> I can say it for sure for sid/unstable,
but am not well informed when it comes to testing: The way security
updates happen in Sid are different than the way it gets done in
stable.
2288 [17:37:16] <altendky> mutante: ok. i have no issue with some
delays. i'm not serving off this and it's behind a router
so it's not as exposed as it could be.
2289 [17:37:32] <n4dir>
replaced-url
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2291 [17:38:11] <n4dir> altendky: you might want to ask in
#debian-next (oftc channel, irc)
2292 [17:38:16] <n4dir> server, not channel
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2294 [17:39:24] <altendky> n4dir: i tried to join before asking
but need an invite. but you are saying i need to be on oftc.net not
freenode for #debian-next?
2295 [17:39:55] <jelly> !debian-next
2296 [17:39:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2297 [17:40:09] <mutante> altendky: 'behind a router'
doesn't change much by itself
2298 [17:40:46] <jelly> altendky: you got that right, irc.oftc.net
(or irc.debian.org, it's the same thing)
2299 [17:41:06] <n4dir> yes, like the factoid jelly just offered
you have to be on oftc.net, altendky
2300 [17:41:10] <altendky> jelly: thank you for pointing out
exactly what i didn't pay attention to
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2302 [17:41:24] <n4dir> happens to pretty much anyone, including
me. :-)
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2306 [17:41:36] <jelly> hey, just so you know, it's on
irc.oftc.net!!111
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2310 [17:44:43] <altendky> mutante: i'm also not in dmz or
port forwarding so i would expect to be less exposed than if i were
running a publicly published server with various services enabled.
but sure, i don't mean that my router makes me all safe. of
course, all desktop vulnerabilities from me clicking on stuff etc is
completely unaffected.
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2322 [17:48:37] <mutante> altendky: ah, you mean the server
doesn't have a public IP? well .. ehm.. kind of maybe, but also
no :)
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2328 [17:51:24] <mutante> altendky: of course the "with
various services enabled" part makes perfect sense, it's
all about not having services you dont need
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2330 [17:51:45] <mutante> but the router doesnt really affect it
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2333 [17:52:33] <kion> upon installing spyder3 and running it, it
complains with: Missing Dependencies "rope >=0.9.4: None
(NOK)", but the package does not seem bo be available in
Debian, any ideas?
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2336 [17:53:12] <altendky> mutante: so with no port forwarding
i'm just as vulnerable as i would be with a public ip for my
computer? i'm not argue that i'm secure because i bought a
router from amazon... just that i'm not running a publicly
exposed server (nor private server for that matter).
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2341 [17:54:51] <n4dir> as far i can tell: if you have a router
and no port-forwarding is enabled, then no one from the public
internet will be able to "reach" a service running on a
machine in the LAN.
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2349 [17:56:45] <altendky> anyways, all meant to express was that
i'm not paranoid about security, i just don't want to turn
security updates off entirely because of unclear instructions :]
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2351 [17:56:53] <n4dir> yup, i for one got that.
2352 [17:56:57] <mutante> altendky: i don't wanna decide if
"just as vulnerable" or not, but i would just say you
still want iptables.
2353 [17:57:11] <mutante> it's not wrong what yoy say, but ..
from the article "A device that cannot forward packets since it
is not able to process them correctly should not be called a
firewall."
2354 [17:57:15] <sillyslux> i haven't seen proc and sysfs
entries in etc/fstab for years, are these even necessary? reading
man debootstrap now and it suggests to add them
2355 [17:57:20] <mutante> it just happens to not know where to
send packets..
2356 [17:57:28] <n4dir> altendky: i understand the instructions on
debian.wiki exactly as you do. I sure can tell it is like that for
sid, but i am unsure about testing
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2358 [17:57:57] <n4dir> to be sure i would wait till someone here
can tell for sure or ask in #debian-next (which sadly often is
rather quiet)
2359 [17:57:57] <altendky> n4dir: eh? i don't understand them
:]
2360 [17:58:07] <n4dir> I understand: remove all but the main line
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2364 [17:58:18] <altendky> n4dir: i did ask over there. i'll
give it time. i'm not in a huge rush.
2365 [17:58:31] <n4dir> yeah, give it the according time .Good
luck :-)
2366 [17:59:09] <n4dir> I guess if you have such a line, and it is
"wrong", then apt-get update will simply tell you. A
rather rough approach ...
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2371 [18:00:44] <altendky> mutante: sure. i know enough about
security to know i don't know. i mostly trust major linux
distros to do a better job than i would even on their non-stable
releases. but i do also figure i'm less prone to problems
because i'm not windows and not a server and i don't like
dancing pigs etc
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2376 [18:02:06] <mutante> altendky: i'd install nmap and
portscan myself, see what ports are open and ask if i really need
them. then remove stuff. less stuff = good for security :)
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2379 [18:02:26] <altendky> mutante: but what fun, apparently the
firewall on the router was turned off...
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2381 [18:03:06] <altendky> mutante: ssh and ipp (now to see what
ipp is)
2382 [18:03:08] <mutante> altendky: heh, probably because somebody
thought it's too much hassle to deal with. security always
fights with convenience
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2385 [18:03:34] <n4dir> netstat -tulpen should do, no? (probably
old-school to use netstat)
2386 [18:03:35] <altendky> mutante: i did have a messy back and
forth with a support guy trying to get a vpn setup :[
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2388 [18:04:16] <altendky> mutante: oh, ipp is probably related to
me sharing my non-cloud printer with google cloud print
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2392 [18:05:39] <mutante> altendky: *shudder* the combination of
printer AND cloud . i hate printers already :)
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2394 [18:06:10] <mutante> altendky: hehe, ignore that, just a
personal thing. printers are the worst hardware imho :)
2395 [18:06:21] <jhutchins_wk> I have not been able to connect to
a stretch shared CUPS printer from another instance of stretch.
2396 [18:06:32] <altendky> mutante: yeah, not horrible to get
working but not that fun. i've been tempted to just buy a new
printer that supports it directly. i mean it costs about the same as
a pack of ink.
2397 [18:06:33] <jhutchins_wk> Keeps complaining about not being
able to handle the ipp URI.
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2399 [18:06:43] <n4dir> as far ssh is concernde: *if* you need it,
then changing the default port, using keys instead of passwords,
disable root login. There is a tool which will block login-attemps
if several in a row go wrong, but i forgot the name
2400 [18:06:48] <jhutchins_wk> Keeps saying it's not
connected. May be ipv6 related.
2401 [18:07:09] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: fail2ban?
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2404 [18:07:31] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: You can also throttle
connections in iptables.
2405 [18:07:41] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: exactly. thanks :-)
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2410 [18:08:46] <altendky> n4dir: yeah. if i were running a
'real' server i'd care (or just not run it myself).
but for my laptop i'm not so worried. if someone wants into my
laptop it's probably personal and they will probably be more
dedicated than i am
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2412 [18:09:31] <n4dir> altendky: as long it isn't forwarded,
i take it easy myself.
2413 [18:09:36] <mutante> if you dont use passwords to login and
only allow keys, why bother even blocking the bruteforce attempts..
2414 [18:10:01] <n4dir> mutante: to get rid of neverending entries
in the logfile.
2415 [18:10:04] <mutante> or changing the port
2416 [18:10:22] <mutante> n4dir: but i'm trading it for a new
fail2ban logfile
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2418 [18:10:56] <altendky> really, all i care about right now is
the 1/2 second black screen on my external monitor that happens
seemingly randomly
2419 [18:11:16] <altendky> oh, and the inability to actually
control my multiple sound devices and which is used
2420 [18:11:22] <n4dir> mutante: to each his own. I only mentioned
a few approaches i know about.
2421 [18:11:52] <mutante> n4dir: yes, not a criticism. it was an
honest open question if it makes a difference
2422 [18:12:36] <n4dir> you probably are right. But once i am at
it (keys) , i create a ~/.ssh/config anyway (for comfort), so i
don't mind much changing the port and such too
2423 [18:12:42] <echo> i fuess it's nicer to have all that
mess in a separate log
2424 [18:12:51] <altendky> mutante: doesn't all the generic
stuff (changing port etc) still provide obfuscation protection since
there could be a bug anywhere?
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2426 [18:13:38] <n4dir> I once had ssh forwarded to the public
internet. Many people scan those (probably many to simply train nmap
... :-).
2427 [18:14:28] <n4dir> altendky: what i just said. Really many
people scan for port 22.
2428 [18:14:30] <echo> and you might even want to leave both key
and pw authentication available if you might need to ssh in without
your key
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2432 [18:16:06] <echo> yeh, 22 gets banged on all day
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2438 [18:17:27] <n4dir> pretty much the only port i know. Hence i
would also pick that one if i wanted to fool with nmap.
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2443 [18:18:27] <metastable> altendky: Obfuscation is not
security. It does not provide protection.
2444 [18:18:51] <metastable> Changing ports and fail2ban might
make your logs a little less cluttered, but that's it.
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2446 [18:19:12] <n4dir> that's nonsense, of course.
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2448 [18:19:57] <metastable> Changing ports doesn't stop a
portscan. fail2ban? If someone pops your box through random
bruteforcing, then don't set your password to
'password'. The exploits that actually lead to compromise
aren't something that fail2ban will protect against.
2449 [18:20:08] <altendky> metastable: i have no delusion that
obfuscation would protect me against someone that wants to get me.
neither does locking my door yet i do (sometimes) to avoid dealing
with kids wandering in or whatever.
2450 [18:20:11] <mutante> "many people scan those"
s/people/bots
2451 [18:20:19] <n4dir> turn in round your head. I am really not
in the mood to explain it, metastable
2452 [18:20:59] <metastable> n4dir: K. Whatever that meant.
2453 [18:20:59] <altendky> metastable: changing a port would make
_some_ _basic_ _lazy_ portscans miss it.
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2457 [18:21:40] <n4dir> that is what it's meant. It is not
that hard to think of what altendky just pointed out
2458 [18:21:59] <echo> all security consists of reducing odds of a
breach. obfuscation helps a little with that. the 'security by
obscurity' thing is way overused.
2459 [18:22:03] <mutante> it's like i have my car parked on a
giant parking lot. and it's locked. now some guy tries every
single car to see if somebody forgot to lock. would i care that he
tried on mine to find out i didn't forget it? maybe but not
really
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2461 [18:22:25] <metastable> Sure, and basic lazy portscans
aren't a threat. Neither are brute force attempts that
aren't going to succeed any time within the next several
thousand years.
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2463 [18:23:00] <metastable> Anyway, this is all a mess of false
equivalencies and half-baked analogies. You all have fun.
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2466 [18:23:24] <echo> extreme, irrelevant examples don't
actually make a good argument
2467 [18:24:03] <metastable> echo: Referring to the several
thousand years statement?
2468 [18:24:20] <n4dir>
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2469 [18:24:37] <metastable> echo: If so, I was actually being
conservative, by several orders of magnitude.
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2471 [18:25:22] <mutante> that manual even has a warning that
it's security by obscurity to change the port
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2475 [18:27:18] <echo> so you wouldn't throw a blanket over
your camera in the car?
2476 [18:27:26] <metastable> mutante: It's cargo cult
security. Anyone deterred by such a basic measure wasn't a
threat to begin with, and anyone with the resources to actually be a
threat isn't going to be deterred by something so mundane.
2477 [18:27:47] <echo> it's odds. odds is math.
2478 [18:28:04] <petn-randall> Maybe we want to move this
discussion to #debian-offtopic?
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2485 [18:31:13] <wwhite> Hi, how can I install debian stable with
wayland+kde ? is it possible ?
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2508 [18:42:35] <jhutchins_wk> Running ssh on an alternate port is
only tangentally a security measure. It's mostly a matter of
convenience, not having to deal with constant script attacks.
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2511 [18:43:04] <petn-randall> It's a PITA if you're a
group of admins and you have to communicate that info along, too.
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2513 [18:43:18] <petn-randall> Not worth the effort, IMO.
pam_tally2 to the rescue!
2514 [18:43:19] <jhutchins_wk> Not only do most of the kiddie
scripts only hit 22, the fact that you've changed the port
indicates you are aware of the security issues and have likely
hardened the sytem, making it not worth the effort.
2515 [18:43:38] <petn-randall> GAH, that meant to go to
#debian-offtopic.
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2517 [18:43:54] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Oh come on, you have
to communicate a username and password, adding the port to that is
less than trivial.
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2520 [18:44:37] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: It's 2017, I
don't use user/pass for any SSH connections anymore.
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2522 [18:44:54] <jhutchins_wk> Running a daemon on 22 means
you're going to get traffic to it from unauthorized users.
2523 [18:45:25] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: I've had a DDOS
attack take down a server from the load of refusing connections.
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2525 [18:46:22] <jhutchins_wk> As echo implied, covering your
camera with a blanket in the back seat of your car isn't
exactly security, but it beats a broken window.
2526 [18:46:28] <Iridos> I somehow dislike services on
non-standard hosts very much… it's like deliberate
mis-filing of something …
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2528 [18:47:11] <mutante> runs ssh on 80 and httpd on 22 just to
mess with Iridos
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2530 [18:47:27] <Iridos> evil!
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2533 [18:48:33] <Iridos> petn-randall, didn't know pam_tally,
only fail2ban… guess I'm behind the times again
2534 [18:48:55] <Iridos> but that doesn't seem to do anything
fundamen-tally different?
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2537 [18:49:49] <mutante> if i get connections from unkown people
on 80, i proudly display it on the 90s-style "hitcounter"
gif on my website, if i get connections from unknown people on 22 i
am scared, right
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2539 [18:49:59] <metastable> Iridos: hyuk hyuk
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2541 [18:50:18] <Iridos> I mean… the smart thing would be
to remember a certain IPs from successful login attempts and at
least partially white-list them … i.e. allow 100 attempts or
so… while others may get 5
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2544 [18:50:58] <shtrb> Iridos , something something NAT something
something ISP screw you over
2545 [18:51:22] <Iridos> *shrug*
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2547 [18:52:27] <shtrb> At least when it is HTTP it is easy to see
the original IP , when it's ssh there is nothing that helps me
know it is shared
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2551 [18:56:08] <Iridos> who cares…
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2556 [18:58:00] <Iridos> There are 4.3 billion IPv4
Addresses… if you whitelist a couple of subnets, even with
/16 masks, that's how far away?
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2562 [19:00:55] <kion> Just want to say THANKS to all the Debian
Devs, I love my OS!!
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2585 [19:10:18] <samsara> Good evening, I'm considering
installing a linux distro. Do you recomend starting with a
"beginner's distro" such as ubuntu/linux mint, or
with a more "hardcore" choice such as debian?
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2592 [19:11:27] <ska> petn-randall: I dont see that module loaded
at all. pcspkr..
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2596 [19:14:37] <goiken-> samsara you should be fine on either.
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2599 [19:14:54] <jelly> samsara: what do you plan to use it for, a
workstation, a server to learn things on?
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2603 [19:15:50] <samsara> for now I'd like to use it just to
experience linux as a different OS and learn how to use it
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2606 [19:16:03] <relaxed> ska: I have "blacklist pcspkr"
and "blacklist snd_pcsp" in
/etc/modprobe.d/custom-blacklists.conf
2607 [19:16:38] <samsara> would I learn more by using more complex
distro's such as debian, or "easier" distro's
like ubuntu/mint?
2608 [19:16:48] <relaxed> ska: without the quotes
2609 [19:17:21] <ska> relaxed: hey thanks... I'll try.
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2611 [19:18:03] <goiken-> samsara I don’t think it makes
much of a difference. Mint isn’t a distro but a desktop
environment. It’s available in debian and you get asked in the
default installer if you want to use it.
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2613 [19:18:40] <ska> relaxed: I don't see snd_pcsp loaded
either..
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2615 [19:18:53] <samsara> I thought linux mint was a distro?
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2622 [19:19:28] <annadane> samsara, debian is very reliable and is
the base for roughly half of linux distros. definitely recommend.
2623 [19:19:56] <ska> relaxed: I can turn it off in Amixer under
the sound card, but that channel seems to keep getting turned back
on.
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2629 [19:21:39] <mutante> samsara: i'm not even sure what is
really supposed to be easier about Ubuntu (nowadays), it's
almost all just packages they take from Debian. that said, even if
it's harder i recommend it because you asked "would i
learn more" :)
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2631 [19:22:26] <annadane> mint is a distro
2632 [19:22:28] <samsara> thank you all for your answers, goiken-,
annadane, mutante
2633 [19:22:31] <relaxed> ska: man alsactl
2634 [19:22:40] <samsara> mutante, so you'd recommend debian?
2635 [19:22:46] <mutante> samsara: yes
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2637 [19:23:21] <mutante> samsara: of course you dont get a
reliable survey if you ask on #debian but hell yes :)
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2641 [19:23:45] <f-a> hello, i am apt-get updating/ugrading
2642 [19:23:48] <f-a> and: The following packages have been kept
back:
2643 [19:23:48] <f-a> linux-image-686-pae
2644 [19:24:07] <Resilience> what is redis servcer used for on
debian?
2645 [19:24:10] <f-a> stretch and not frankendebian
2646 [19:24:20] <mutante> f-a: apt-get dist-upgrade if you also
want to upgrade the kernel
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2648 [19:24:44] <jhutchins_wk> !mint
2649 [19:24:44] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
replaced-url
2650 [19:25:04] <f-a> jhutchins_wk: whom is this for?
2651 [19:25:07] * jelly offers jhutchins_wk a fisherman's friend
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2656 [19:25:55] <f-a> mutante: so I have to dist-upgrade to update
kernel, even if I am not passing from, say, jessie to stretch?
2657 [19:25:58] <jhutchins_wk> samsara: Mint is a distribution,
derived from Ubuntu and/or Debian, currently ranked #1 at
replaced-url
2658 [19:25:58] <jelly> f-a: !mint is not for you, there was a
conversation before you joined in
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2660 [19:26:08] <f-a> thanks, jelly
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2662 [19:26:24] <jelly> f-a: yes. dist-upgrade has nothing to di
with release upgrades.
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2665 [19:26:43] <f-a> thanks
2666 [19:26:44] <jelly> !dist-upgrade
2667 [19:26:45] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also
install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates
may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages).
Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and
aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove
this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not
dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
2668 [19:27:02] <ska> Is it possible to use pulseaudio without
alsa?
2669 [19:27:21] <mutante> f-a: what jelly said, it's just a
confusing name
2670 [19:27:42] <jelly> ska: I guess you might have like tcp
socket sinks as default instead of sound cards
2671 [19:27:47] <f-a> jelly: mutante: thanks, `man apt-get` is a
bit less clear than !dist-upgrade
2672 [19:27:58] <f-a> in any case, it worked, \o/
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2674 [19:28:25] <jelly> f-a: not jsut man, but read CAREFULLY!
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2676 [19:28:36] <jelly> -_-
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2696 [19:40:16] <ska> amixer -c0 -- sset 'Speaker',0 off
works, but if i do an 'alsactl init' first, it will also
turn off master.
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2713 [19:44:59] <hazzy> hello
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2719 [19:45:39] <echo> when upgrading to the next release, after
changing sources.list and doing apt update, is it better to apt
upgrade followed by apt dist-upgrade, or is apt dist-upgrade enough
by itself?
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2723 [19:46:33] <f-a> echo: I always did dist-upgrade
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2725 [19:46:53] <f-a> update will most likely highlight conflicts
and nothing else productive
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2735 [19:47:19] <hazzy> I am using Debian 9 and my
`.exsession-errors` file has just ballooned to 12.7 GB. Can I delete
it?
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2738 [19:47:44] <f-a> hazzy: yup, but maybe take a look inside
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2767 [19:50:36] <hazzy> f-a: it is going to take forever to load
12.7 gb into a text editor :D
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2778 [19:52:14] <f-a> hazzy: yeah hehe
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2791 [19:58:14] <samsara> Okay, I'm going with debian I
think! Once I've learned to use it, will I also know how to use
Ubuntu?
2792 [19:58:28] <RoyK> hazzy: Once upon a time, we had something
called Word Perfect (late eightees and early ninetees), that was
very good at loading only whatever necessary to show the user. I
wonder if vim is ever going to implement something like that
2793 [19:58:59] <f-a> samsara: there is some overlap
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2798 [20:00:52] <RoyK> samsara, f-a, it's 95% overlap, at
least, probably more.
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2800 [20:01:12] <hazzy> RoyK: Yes, really do need something like
that for viewing large files. vim does OK but takes a while with
really big files
2801 [20:01:53] <kion> samsara, If you are concerned about your
privacy, stay away from ubuntu.
2802 [20:01:55] <samsara> Thanks! Shall I go for the
"stable" or for the "testing" release?
2803 [20:02:00] <hazzy> I gave up trying to read the log and just
deleted it as I was completely out of disk space
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2806 [20:02:21] <mutante> samsara: Ubuntu used to have their own
desktop environment, Unity, but they gave up on that so now
it's even more just like Debian. the answer is Yes
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2808 [20:02:44] <kion> samsara, use the stable release
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2810 [20:03:14] <f-a> samsara: testing has a bit more recent
software selection. stable is, well stable and supported
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2815 [20:06:05] <RoyK> hsiktas: I just asked the same question
(more or less) on #vim, and was given a quick "no" as an
answer
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2817 [20:06:45] <RoyK> hsiktas: sorry, that was for hazzy, but he
left
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2822 [20:07:47] <f-a> RoyK: ^
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2829 [20:10:30] <hazzy> f-a: .exsession-erros is now staying in
the kb range, Hurray! I wonder what all those errors were caused by
....
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2832 [20:11:39] <f-a> my bet:
replaced-url
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2835 [20:12:03] <nkuttler> x-replaced-url
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2845 [20:14:13] <vvz> hazzy, so you didn't have a quick peek?
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2848 [20:15:10] <hazzy> I could not get the file to load, it was
12.7 gb when I opened it and 13.4 a second later :D
2849 [20:15:19] <f-a> oh my oh my
2850 [20:15:27] <f-a> is it still mushrooming ?
2851 [20:16:01] <hazzy> no, deleted it and restarted and it seems
to be staying in the kb range
2852 [20:16:01] <vvz> hazzy, tail it
2853 [20:16:37] <hazzy> wz: how?
2854 [20:16:41] <hazzy> I am a noob
2855 [20:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> hazzy: In a case like that you
probably want to shut down X until you figure out the error.
2856 [20:17:12] <vvz> hazzy, like `tail -1000
.xsession.errors'
2857 [20:17:44] <hazzy> ah, thanks. Will do that next time!
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2862 [20:19:42] <hazzy> I think Dropbox might have been the
culprit, but it might have acted up do to there being to disk space
left
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2866 [20:21:38] <eizi> hi all
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2869 [20:22:19] <eizi> anyone here who has time to help me with a
question ? :)
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2915 [20:46:12] <metaphysician> Hello Debian users, do you create
and use your own apt repository for custom packages/configuration
management? How do you do that? How do you supersede default config
files while also retaining the ability to directly install official
package updates?
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2918 [20:47:24] <RoyK> !custm repo
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2920 [20:47:36] <metaphysician> !custom repo
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2922 [20:48:04] <RoyK> metaphysician: for cnfig management, just
use git and ansible or cfengine or whatever you prefer - I like
ansible
2923 [20:48:29] <RoyK> metaphysician: to create a custom repo for
packages, there are lots of resources on the net
2924 [20:48:30] <metaphysician> ok.
2925 [20:48:57] <RoyK> perhaps ansible itself is sufficient also -
depends on your needs
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2927 [20:49:05] <RoyK> how many machines are you managing?
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2930 [20:49:50] <metaphysician> RoyK: less than 10
2931 [20:50:01] <RoyK> not an issue then - I'd go with
ansible
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2936 [20:51:02] <metaphysician> Wikimedia has a lot of puppet
recipes
replaced-url
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2938 [20:51:26] <RoyK> as I said - choose which one you like
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2940 [20:51:43] <RoyK> I like ansible, since it's simple and
just uses ssh for transport, so you don't need a client
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2942 [20:52:12] <RoyK> there's cfengine too, and chef
2943 [20:52:16] <RoyK> and possibly a lot more
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2958 [20:59:58] <metaphysician> but it's sad that Wikimedia
mostly uses Ubuntu and not Debian.
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2961 [21:02:56] <mutante> metaphysician: that's not true
anymore :)
2962 [21:03:15] <mutante> metaphysician: switched to debian, about
to kill all the trusty, upgrading stuff to stretch. majority Debian
:)
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2964 [21:04:26] <metaphysician> mutante: Great!!!
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2967 [21:05:39] <mutante> metaphysician: it has to do with
Wikimedia ops having actual DDs nowadays
2968 [21:05:41] <echo> but on the internet as a whole, ubuntu
recently passed debian as the most-used server os.
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2970 [21:06:37] <mutante> and still you can't get a straight
answer how "ubuntu server" is different from debian?
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2972 [21:06:45] <RoyK> echo: which is like saying "7 billion
flies can't be wrong: EAT SHIT!"
2973 [21:06:57] <jhutchins_wk> Hmn, no cats today.
2974 [21:07:01] <mutante> echo: i bet it's because managers
like to be able to say "we have a support contract"
2975 [21:07:10] <mutante> (which then isnt used)
2976 [21:07:13] <metaphysician> Ubuntu provides convenience
features. I want Debian to provide these convenience features too.
2977 [21:07:37] <RoyK> mutante: different priorities - ubuntu is
interesting in new stuff to make their desktop OS better - debian is
concervative, albeit not as bad as redhat/centos
2978 [21:07:59] <mutante> RoyK: but we are talking about servers
so the whole desktop stuff doesnt matter?
2979 [21:08:21] <RoyK> mutante: the ubuntu "server" is
just a subset of their "desktop"
2980 [21:08:22] <jhutchins_wk> metaphysician: Why not just use
ubuntu?
2981 [21:08:33] <RoyK> mutante: so new packages flow in easier
2982 [21:08:50] <RoyK> mutante: less testing, more sns
2983 [21:08:52] <RoyK> !sns
2984 [21:08:52] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2985 [21:08:57] <mutante> RoyK: you are saying Ubuntu server has
packages that are not from Debian?
2986 [21:09:06] <RoyK> indeed
2987 [21:09:09] <jhutchins_wk> "convenience feature" ==
lazy sysadmin
2988 [21:09:36] <jhutchins_wk> mutante: Ubuntu builds their own
packages.
2989 [21:09:37] <RoyK> mutante: ubuntu server is just ubuntu
desktop without the fancy graphics
2990 [21:09:55] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly with apache and mail
thrown in.
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2994 [21:10:47] <RoyK> mutante: if you need newer packages than
those in debian, you can probably find them in backports
2995 [21:11:04] <RoyK> mutante: usually you can live with old
packages unless you're doing some cutting-edge stuff
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2997 [21:11:09] <metaphysician> jhutchins_wk: because I'll
prefer to use a more democratic distro
2998 [21:11:15] <mutante> RoyK: i dont neeed newer packages, i am
happy with Debian
2999 [21:11:23] <RoyK> mutante: and in that case, well, setup a vm
and run it there instead of infecting your system
3000 [21:11:30] <RoyK> mutante: good
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3011 [21:15:11] <jhutchins_wk> metaphysician: This distro has
democratically chosen not to implement the same "convenience
features".
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3015 [21:15:36] <metaphysician> jhutchins_wk: ok, then I am with
it. :)
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3020 [21:17:29] <Droid2Debian> What is debian release life cycle
like?
3021 [21:18:39] <tw> Droid2Debian:
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3024 [21:20:22] <metaphysician> What are backports-sloppy archives
for?
3025 [21:20:34] <Droid2Debian> aee there any precompiled packages
of the 4.13.x series kernel?
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3027 [21:21:36] <Droid2Debian> thank you for the link
metaphysician
3028 [21:21:51] <metaphysician> Explained here
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3029 [21:21:56] <jhutchins_wk> !backports-sloppy
3030 [21:21:57] <dpkg> stable-backports has packages from packages
the current 'testing' release; you can upgrade from
stable+backports to testing (or oldstable+backports to stable).
Packages that were backported from 'testing' to
'oldstable' are in oldstable-backports-sloppy; if you use
these packages, then you can upgrade from
oldstable+backports+backports-sloppy to stable+backports. Sloppy
means "relaxed rules" not "crap packages".
3031 [21:22:50] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
3032 [21:22:51] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686
(4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports:
4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686
(4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
3033 [21:22:52] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
3034 [21:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> Droid2Debian: Hasn't made it
to stretch yet.
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3036 [21:25:15] <Droid2Debian> I'de have to do the package
building on mh machine
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3040 [21:27:46] <Droid2Debian> Damn I really wish I had the extra
dough lying around to leasse amzon and or google virtual environment
and help without with nthe testing of newer kernels?
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3042 [21:29:24] <metaphysician> I first used Debian when squeeze
was released.
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3072 [21:48:01] <petn-randall> ska: Congrats! Then you have
successfully deactivated the pc speaker. If your problem still
persists, tell us about that, instead.
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3077 [21:51:49] <at0m> ,v heimdall-flash
3078 [21:51:50] <judd> Package: heimdall-flash on amd64 -- jessie:
1.4.0-2; buster: 1.4.1-2+b1; sid: 1.4.1-2+b1; stretch: 1.4.1-2+b1
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3160 [22:34:32] <Aethenelle> I'd like to use tang and clevis
on our network. I see there are ITPs for them already but
they're pretty old (2/2017) and there's a dependency
(http-parser) that's really out of date. I have some bandwidth
now to do the initial packaging but don't want to remain the
maintainer long term. Is there a good place I could prep all the
packaging work for someone else to do the final package upload?
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3164 [22:35:53] <n4dir> !mentors
3165 [22:35:53] <dpkg> methinks mentors is the system the Debian
project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or
Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive.
Ask me about <nmg>.
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3166 [22:35:57] <n4dir> you could ask there.
3167 [22:36:02] <n4dir> ups: i think.
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3216 [23:03:05] <bibiyanki> hello what'sup
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3242 [23:13:34] <dTal> Someone in #linux is claiming that manpages
aren't installed by default in Debian anymore
3243 [23:13:54] <dTal> I'm pretty sure that's nonsense
but I don't have access to a fresh install
3244 [23:14:34] <SpeakFreely> Hello, could someone give me some
insight into why sometimes when I lock my computer, my windows will
move from my main monitor (1440p) to one of my side monitors
(1080p). When this happens, the top is cut off so I cannot minimize
or close it out. When I open my dash (the super key) I cannot drag
it over to my main monitor, I have to close the window out. This
happens with any application
3245 [23:14:35] <dTal> can someone confirm/deny?
3246 [23:14:52] <annadane> no they definitely are
3247 [23:15:32] <dTal> thank you annadane
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3274 [23:22:45] <charking> hello. I am using Baobab to examine the
usage on a share. It reports 76.3TB used, but df -h reports 54TB
used. What could account for the discrepancy?
3275 [23:22:45] <charking> Baobab i.e. Disk Usage Analyzer
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3283 [23:25:58] <youssef> hi people!, can i ask emacs related
questins here?
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3285 [23:26:23] <youssef> *questions
3286 [23:26:30] <CashDash123> Is Debain 6 still supported?
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3288 [23:26:46] <CashDash123> Nm
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3290 [23:26:58] <CashDash123> was mistaking that with 7
3291 [23:27:13] <youssef> CashDash123: Debian 6 isn't
supported
3292 [23:27:31] <youssef> also 7 , CashDash123
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3294 [23:27:42] <fjasle> charking: possibly some filesystem
features may make a difference, e.g. compression, wholes, hard
links...
3295 [23:27:43] <CashDash123> youssef, 7's still supported
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3297 [23:28:01] <KNUBBIG> Hi! I have the problem that MailScanner
seems to ignore the delivery rules for spam after disinfecting an
email. Deleting Spam works fine but if I get a message that gets
disinfected but is spam, the message is delivered (I need
disinfected mails to be delivered). Anyone got an idea?
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3299 [23:28:13] <youssef> oh sorry CashDash123 i meant only as LTS
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3316 [23:34:52] <Shmam> Why does Discover app show that there is
an update for polychromatic/openrazer-meta? When I try to install
it, it says that it will remove: "python3-razer
(1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-daemon (1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-doc
(1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-kernel-modules-dkms
(1.1.16-0ubuntu1)". Will that stop my keyboard from working by
removing the drivers?
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3323 [23:38:35] <CashDash123> Wow Debain didn't support UEFI
for a long time
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3344 [23:47:22] <ws2k3> im seeing this kind of loglines alot: Oct
19 23:44:52 pay01 crash_20171019234450_1.dmp[572932]: Uploading dump
(out-of-process)#012/tmp/dumps/crash_20171019234450_1.dmp
3345 [23:47:22] <ws2k3> are that core dumps? is debian making
them?
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