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6 [00:02:20] <badargo> what happens if i chmod 000 /* ?
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8 [00:03:59] <Antares>
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13 [00:05:05] <JPT> badargo: Well, if you do not leave your root
shell you /may/ be able to easily repair that
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16 [00:05:33] <JPT> badargo: However, if you add -R to the mix,
you will need to recover all permissions. Basic advice: Do not do
this.
17 [00:05:49] <JohnCub> I tested that with a file recently. I
was able to undo the permissions, but while it was 000 I
couldn't even read it.
18 [00:05:53] <JohnCub> worked as expected.
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20 [00:06:20] <JohnCub> now I wonder if root would have been
able to read it
21 [00:06:24] <badargo> i was expecting the computer to explode
0.o
22 [00:06:32] <lexruee1> Trying out Deadly Linux Commands:
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24 [00:07:19] <JPT> badargo: Your computer won't explode.
But be sure to have backups ready (and not mounted or connected to
your computer) while messing with such commands.
25 [00:07:44] <JPT> If you need some good fun, try tail
/dev/zero
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27 [00:08:15] <badargo> ohhh i will
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31 [00:09:23] <badargo> haha wtf
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34 [00:09:46] <badargo> it should list the files on the tail of
dev/zedo but instead froze everything :P
35 [00:10:02] <JPT> Well, /dev/zero is a never ending stream of
null bytes
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37 [00:10:15] <JPT> There is no last line. There is not even a
first line.
38 [00:10:26] <JPT> I guess the results for head /dev/zero
should be the same.
39 [00:10:35] <badargo> ohhh sounds like the universe :P or a
black hole
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42 [00:11:03] <JPT> Basically that command will eat a lot of ram
in the blink of an eye. Your machine will be busy swapping and
you'll need to reset it.
43 [00:11:30] <badargo> i got away with ctrl + c but was about
to reset haha
44 [00:11:36] <JPT> There's also the famous fork bomb, but
since systemd exists, it is not as much fun anymore
45 [00:11:38] <badargo> took ages to respound :P
46 [00:11:45] <JPT> :() { : | :& }; :
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49 [00:11:57] <badargo> whats that?
50 [00:12:14] <lexruee1> fork bomb :)
51 [00:12:16] <JPT> It's a bash function that spawns two
jobs invoking itself
52 [00:12:22] <JPT> Exponential growth basically
53 [00:12:23] <badargo> ohhhh
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55 [00:12:37] <JPT> Will eat a lot of RAM and consume a lot of
process ids
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57 [00:13:03] <badargo> if u config a ini file that start the
system with that or the dev/zero trick
58 [00:13:13] <badargo> looks noice
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60 [00:14:04] <JPT> I guess you already know the command to
basically erase all files on your computer?
61 [00:14:18] <badargo> omg is there one?
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63 [00:14:24] <badargo> u dont mean format right
64 [00:14:24] <JPT> Actually: the commands. There are more.
65 [00:14:29] <sashpta> JohnCub, jhutchins so i finally managed
to access the server again... here is the sourceslist
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66 [00:14:39] <badargo> tell me ! :P
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68 [00:15:10] <JPT> The first one you need to know (NEVER DO
THIS!) is rm -rf / . It recursively deletes every file in your
filesystem. Do NOT do this, do have backups, DO NOT TRICK PEOPLE
INTO DOING THIS.
69 [00:15:30] <badargo> whats f for?
70 [00:15:43] <JPT> force - no asking for confirmation, just do
it.
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73 [00:16:30] <JPT> I should probably do a google search for
lethal commands. I bet there are a few collections
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77 [00:17:09] <JPT> List of LETHAL commands - DO NOT RUN THESE:
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81 [00:17:54] <JPT> Basically, there are way more of them, but i
guess it cannot hurt to know the most basic ones.
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83 [00:18:04] <JPT> Also, never run a commend that you do not
know what it does.
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85 [00:18:42] <JPT> command*
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88 [00:19:01] <badargo> i understand some of them :D im making
progress
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91 [00:19:47] <JPT> When in doubt, there is always the man
command to help you out with documentations for any command
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96 [00:20:02] <JPT> e.g. man rm shows the manpage for the rm
command.
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98 [00:20:14] <badargo> this introduction to linux book and this
chat room together make a great combination
99 [00:20:26] <JPT> Glad you enjoy it :)
100 [00:21:25] <badargo> its like having free linux consulting
24/7 haha
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103 [00:22:08] <JPT> Well, not quite. All of us in here do this
because we like to help other people out. :)
104 [00:22:33] <JPT> But we won't just do everyone's
homework and do everyone's daily work.
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109 [00:23:08] <tw> I tried to make linux great again but it told
me there's no rule to make target 'great'
110 [00:23:14] * tw shows himself out.
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112 [00:23:36] <JPT> *chuckles*
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114 [00:24:05] <Antares>
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116 [00:24:13] <Antares> мусик
117 [00:25:01] <sashpta> did someone manage to install
mysql-server on debian 8 ?
118 [00:25:30] <JPT> On debian 8 it should be easy. On debian 9,
there is mariadb instead.
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121 [00:27:50] <sashpta> JPT, dunno i always get this error:
replaced-url
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125 [00:29:12] <JPT> sashpta: This looks more like it is related
to what kind of machine (I'm guessing a container?) you're
trying to install it on. Debconf is trying to use an ncurses based
dialog to ask you about the configuration and since this fails, the
installation process fails, too.
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130 [00:30:44] <sashpta> JPT, it's a V-Linux server
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135 [00:33:34] <JPT> sashpta: Perhaps try running export
TERM=xterm and try again. Not sure if that will already fix the
issue.
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142 [00:36:23] <sashpta> JPT, that did the job thx :)
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144 [00:36:27] <sashpta> is that change persistent ?
145 [00:36:42] <JPT> No, this one is temporary.
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148 [00:36:52] <sashpta> how do i make it persistent?
149 [00:37:08] <JPT> You could put the line into your ~/.bashrc,
so it gets executed everytime you log in.
150 [00:37:11] <sashpta> cuz now i can finally use `man` without
an error again :D
151 [00:37:30] <JPT> If you want to inspect all set environment
variables, you can simply type "export" to list them all
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155 [00:38:37] <badargo> hey, what chmod o= means? others what?
156 [00:38:52] <JPT> oh, right. Or - if you need this change to
affect all users, you could put it into /etc/environment (See
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160 [00:39:36] <JPT> badargo: chmod changes the permissions of a
file/folder/... a= all, o= other, g= (group), u= (user)
161 [00:39:45] <sashpta> JPT thx man
162 [00:40:17] <JPT> 'man chmod' will give you the
manpage. There will probably be some examples at the middle or
bottom of the manpage. :)
163 [00:40:50] <badargo> yes but in the example its chmod o= file
164 [00:41:18] <badargo> oh
165 [00:41:26] <badargo> no
166 [00:41:31] <JPT> In that case, since no flags are set for o,
others will have no permissions for that file
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169 [00:41:40] <badargo> ohh
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173 [00:42:39] <JPT> chmod o=rx somefile will set r and x (but
unset w) as permissions for "others" on somefile
174 [00:43:08] <badargo> so its like chmod o= file - or zero for
others, like chmode o=-
175 [00:43:12] <JPT> chmod o+x will ADD the x bit (execute
permission) for others on a file, chmod o-x will REMOVE the x bit.
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178 [00:44:15] <badargo> chmode o= is the same as chmod o-rwx ?
179 [00:44:36] <JPT> The effect will be the same, but the meaning
is different.
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182 [00:44:55] <JPT> + and - do add or remove bits, while = just
sets them to the given state
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184 [00:45:25] <JPT> so chmod o-r may not be the same as chmod o=
because the latter will also remove w and x if present
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187 [00:46:58] <JPT> I just discovered you can also do stuff like
'chmod =r somefile' and it will set r (but unset w or x if
present) for user, group and others at once.
188 [00:47:16] <JPT> Just like chmod +x somefile or chmod -x
somefile are a thing
189 [00:47:44] <badargo> file is ------rwx and i chmod o= the
file will become ---------
190 [00:47:55] <JPT> yup :)
191 [00:48:02] <badargo> but if instead i chmod o-w it will be
-------w-
192 [00:48:15] <badargo> ops
193 [00:48:20] <badargo> chmode o=w
194 [00:48:28] <JPT> exactly
195 [00:48:38] <badargo> cool
196 [00:49:15] <Tramp> JPT: what happens, if the user part is
empty, depends on your umask
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199 [00:50:50] <JPT> That may depend on context. If the file was
000 before, i doubt using chmod o=w will touch the user and group
part. But it might be good to keep the umask in mind.
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201 [00:51:54] <badargo> i thought umask only affects files when
they are created
202 [00:52:10] <JPT> That's what i have in mind right now,
too. But i'm already sleepy.
203 [00:52:41] <JPT> I'll get some sleep now. Enjoy playing,
be careful, always have a backup ready and have a nice
evening/night/day/... :)
204 [00:52:48] <Tramp> bits in you umask will NOT be affected
when the user part is empty.
205 [00:53:03] <badargo> good night!
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208 [00:53:37] <Antares>
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214 [00:56:16] <mongo2> One important context for umask is if
there is an ACL is inherited from a parent directory and the umask
is unused. The main issue is that if a flag is not in the inheritied
ACL it will be turned off with mkdir/open
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216 [00:56:38] <mongo2> probably not related but it ate a lot of
my time once
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220 [00:59:32] <badargo> hummm
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222 [01:00:10] <badargo> chmod +x file = chmod ugo+x file right
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224 [01:00:54] <JohnCub> yes, badargo
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227 [01:01:41] <badargo> so chmod =x file should be chmod ugo-rw
and chmod ugo+x
228 [01:01:43] <badargo> so
229 [01:01:49] <badargo> chmod = file
230 [01:02:00] <badargo> makes the file 000
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232 [01:02:31] <JohnCub> you lost me somewhere in there but
that's ok
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234 [01:03:00] <badargo> i mean =x is the same as user group and
others get x
235 [01:03:08] <badargo> and lose rw
236 [01:03:17] <JohnCub> I've never used the =
237 [01:03:35] <badargo> but if u use ugo=
238 [01:03:46] <badargo> then ugo get --- file
239 [01:03:55] <badargo> so if u just =
240 [01:04:15] <badargo> its 000
241 [01:04:20] <badargo> --- file for ugo
242 [01:04:24] <mongo2> +x etc... will honor the umask, use
numbers or non wildcard letters to override
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244 [01:05:16] * mongo2 except for ACLs
245 [01:05:32] <badargo> try this touch file; chmod = file; ls -l
file
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247 [01:06:27] <badargo> thats noice :D
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260 [01:12:22] <Mick> Hi, i am looking for debian multimedia
repository...
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263 [01:12:36] <Mick> archive , please...
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265 [01:12:49] <Mick> not current..
266 [01:13:07] <badargo> hey
267 [01:13:14] <badargo> why chmod +rwx a 000 file will turn it
into a 751?
268 [01:13:34] <badargo> it should become 777 shouldnt it?
269 [01:13:46] <Tramp> badargo: umask, as I said above.
270 [01:14:10] <Tramp> but you don't seem to listen.
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273 [01:15:25] <mongo2> the default umask is 0022, so it would be
'-rwxr-xr-x' because the 2's are masked on the right
side.
274 [01:15:27] <badargo> im only starting the umask session now
but it said umask sets up permissions for new file Tramp 0.o
275 [01:15:35] <ElBriga1982> When traceroute shows "* *
*" for a hop ... what I nedd to configure on my router
(raspbian) so it doesnt show as " * * * " on the listing?
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277 [01:16:02] <badargo> new files
278 [01:16:10] <ElBriga1982> I think it has some to do with TTL
Exceeded packets... kernel?
279 [01:16:25] <badargo> but this file is not "new"...
so why u mask is messing it up?
280 [01:16:27] <Tramp> badargo: and I (and the documaentation of
File permissions) said differently. And as you've just shown,
I'm right
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282 [01:17:46] <Tramp> badargo: read: info "File
permissions" and all nodes below it.
283 [01:17:59] <n_blownapart> hello I'm trying to write an
alias for .bashrc which has two arguments, 'stack ghci'
which is the glasgow haskell compiler within a package manager
called stack. I guess it won't take two arguments like this :
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288 [01:20:04] <mongo2> badargo: POSIX.1-2008 specifies that
chmod needs to honor the umask of the PID, but the behavior is not
very portable, use the numbers.
289 [01:20:21] <Tramp> n_blownapart: an alias does not take
arguments, it's just a textual substitution. The link shows a
function, which is the right way to do it.
290 [01:20:42] <mongo2> coreutils is currently complant, but
others may or may not be.
291 [01:21:12] <mongo2> "Some implementations of chmod never
used the umask of the process when changing modes;
292 [01:21:15] <mongo2> systems conformant with this volume of
POSIX.1-2008 do so when who is not specified."
293 [01:21:57] <Mick> which flashplayer is the latest version
working with iceweasel 3.5.16 ?
294 [01:22:07] <qmr> ew flash
295 [01:22:55] <n_blownapart> Tramp it doesn't work as shown
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298 [01:24:09] <n_blownapart> when I run st factorial.hs I get an
options list for the program stack, but the compiler does not fire
up
299 [01:24:13] <n_blownapart> Tramp,
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304 [01:25:57] <Tramp> n_blownapart: and that's different
from running "stack ghci factorial.hs" ?
305 [01:26:08] <Tramp> you said something about "2
arguments" above
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308 [01:26:34] <john__> sorry hold on Tramp nickserv switched my
nick for some reason
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317 [01:29:23] <n_blownapart> sorry Tramp, do you see a way to
use a function similar to what I'm attempting?
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319 [01:29:45] <Tramp> n_blownapart: I still don't get your
problem - did you see my question above?
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339 [01:36:03] <badargo> man chmod page "If none of these
are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set
in the umask are not affected."
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344 [01:36:47] <badargo> that explains nothing
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347 [01:37:43] <n_blownapart> Tramp I also attempted this to
different but incorrect effect
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348 [01:37:52] <badargo> umask doesnt mess with chmod a= but mess
with chmod a=x, why?
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355 [01:38:49] <Tramp> badargo: "a=" is not the same as
"=". But now I give up. I even told you, were to look:
info "File permissions".
356 [01:38:58] <Tramp> s/were/where/
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361 [01:39:46] <Tramp> n_blownapart: no. forget the second one.
Tell me, what exactly is wrong with the first one you showed. It
looks perfect to me.
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364 [01:40:23] <badargo> Tramp: A combination of the letters ugoa
controls which users' access to the
365 [01:40:25] <badargo> file will be changed: the user who owns
it (u), other users in the
366 [01:40:27] <badargo> file's group (g), other users not
in the file's group (o), or all users
367 [01:40:29] <badargo> (a). If none of these are given, the
effect is as if (a) so chmod a= and chmod = are the same
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369 [01:40:54] <badargo> if none of these are given,
370 [01:41:01] <badargo> the effect is as if (a)
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372 [01:41:21] <badargo> so how chmod = is not chmod a=
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374 [01:41:37] <badargo> thats just false
375 [01:41:47] <Tramp> n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running
"stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different
from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the
first st, not the second)
376 [01:41:54] <rjsalts> badargo: because it has a sentence
following that which says except the bits in the umask aren't
set
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379 [01:42:19] <rjsalts> badargo: maybe you need a kōan to
provide enlightenment
380 [01:43:13] <Tramp> badargo: exactly, that's false.
"a=" and "=" are not the same.
381 [01:43:38] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: the syntax looks off in
the paste
382 [01:44:20] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: it's wrapped in ()
instead of { }
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384 [01:44:31] <pingfloyd> shouldn't it be st () { ... }
385 [01:44:52] <pingfloyd> I mean st() { ... }
386 [01:45:07] <Tramp> badargo: btw, my manpage is differnt. It
reads: If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were
given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected.
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388 [01:45:54] <Tramp> uh, () - bummer missed that ....
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393 [01:46:32] <badargo> what bit set in the u mask mean exactly?
394 [01:47:02] <badargo> this man page is poorly writen :S
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396 [01:48:35] <n_blownapart> nothing happens when I attempt to
use that alias Tramp . all the other aliases pasted here work except
for the first one, st , which contains two cli arguments '$
stack ghci '
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397 [01:48:58] <pingfloyd> don't use an alias
398 [01:49:01] <pingfloyd> use a function
399 [01:49:02] <badargo> umask sets a rule concerning the
creation of new directories and files. so the "bits" that
are set on that "rule" ...
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401 [01:49:24] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, I attempt it with st() {
.... } to no avail
402 [01:49:30] <badargo> i will just read :~
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404 [01:49:38] <rjsalts> badargo:
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406 [01:50:18] <badargo> rjsalts: thank you!
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410 [01:50:50] <Tramp> n_blownapart: these are neither aliases
nor (as pingfloyd spotted) shell functions. I have no idea, what
these are.
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414 [01:52:01] <n_blownapart> st() { stack ghci "$@"
&> /dev/null & } is what I also attempted, which resulted
in stack opening an (argument?) options info file
415 [01:52:45] <Tramp> n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running
"stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different
from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the
first st, not the second)
416 [01:52:53] <Tramp> for the 3rd time now.
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419 [01:53:39] <Tramp> and now I mean "the third (i.e. the
one with the {}" you just pasted in the channel.
420 [01:53:42] <n_blownapart> Tramp weird they all have been
working fine including running as background. sorry I made a
mistake. hold on pls
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422 [01:55:21] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart:
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425 [01:56:41] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, thanks I tried that
earlier one sec
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427 [01:56:51] <pingfloyd> and are you sure you want to throw
away the output?
428 [01:57:05] <pingfloyd> try without the &> /dev/null
&
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433 [01:57:56] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, I like keeping the
prompt, if that part is not there the app doesn't run in
background
434 [01:58:39] <n_blownapart> but anyway there is no output, if
you're just using an alias or shortcut to open an app right?
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438 [02:01:21] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: what does 'declare
-f st' return?
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441 [02:02:19] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: using alias, function,
etc., shouldn't affect output itself
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444 [02:03:04] <pingfloyd> also, I'd worry about getting it
working before you worry about backgrounding it
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452 [02:07:25] <n_blownapart> that declare command you suggested
returns the way I have it, as you suggested, in .bashrc, with curly
brackets instead on parens. but it doesn't do anything when I
run '$ st '
453 [02:07:28] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd,
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455 [02:08:26] <n_blownapart> its strange, the alias or whatever
its properly called won't take two args, "stack ghci"
so far
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457 [02:09:47] <badargo> so a bit is a binary digit, and the
binary digits of umask dont behave like decimal numbers and thats
whats fucking everything up rjsalts?
458 [02:09:48] <pingfloyd> if you call just 'st' then
it should be like running 'stack ghci' (no other args).
459 [02:09:53] <n_blownapart>
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462 [02:11:02] <badargo> i thougt of bits as a measure of memory
size :S
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464 [02:11:39] <n_blownapart> yeah sorry it does nothing at all.
465 [02:12:13] <n_blownapart> I wonder if its the () after st()
..
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467 [02:12:26] <n_blownapart> maddening
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469 [02:12:31] <pingfloyd> and you are running bash as your
shell?
470 [02:13:47] <n_blownapart> yeah, all those other aliases work
fine.
471 [02:14:18] <n_blownapart> its not an issue of indentation,
since stack and ghci are on the same line?
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477 [02:17:48] <n_blownapart> when I do '$ source
.bashrc" I get this weird output
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478 [02:18:02] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd,
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491 [02:25:56] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, very sorry you were
right the part that suppressed output was causing the problem. I
took it out and got the hoped for behavior
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492 [02:26:35] <n_blownapart> MANY THANKS
493 [02:26:47] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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495 [02:28:16] <n_blownapart> that line it returned [5] DONE
"$@" &> /dev/null .... that shows the part of the
file I deleted ? pingfloyd I don't quite understand that
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498 [02:32:05] <n_blownapart> anyway I have a hole in my head. I
get OCD about something and don't even listen to what people
are telling me to do. live and learn !
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508 [02:41:50] <rjsalts> badargo: a bit is a 1 or 0, you're
representing the permissions on a file in binary, which is counted
in bits, read is in the 2² column, write is in the 2¹
column and execute is in 2⁰ column
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510 [02:44:23] <rjsalts> badargo: the umask says, if this bit is
set in the umask, then subtract that from the permission you're
trying to apply
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515 [02:46:24] <rjsalts> badargo: so in binary 111 is 7 in octal,
so if you have a umask on 7 then files are created with a 0 in that
field
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520 [02:47:54] <badargo> when i input (u), (g), (o) or (a) the
binary digits in the umask are not affected, but when i input
nothing it works as if (a) was input but umask binary values wont be
affected
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524 [02:48:25] <badargo> acording to this, chmod either affects
or not affects the binary values of umask
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527 [02:49:10] <badargo> so it behaves in 2 manners
528 [02:49:12] <Igel> hi, im looking at
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529 [02:49:35] <badargo> the question is, how chmod affects the
umask binary values of umask
530 [02:49:35] <Igel> but.. looking for something less
compliated.. something really easier and perhaps used by somebody
here
531 [02:49:44] <ee1> Hello.
532 [02:49:44] <ee1> I just installed Debian straight from
windows 10 on a USB stick, using the program rufus on windows. Is
this a safe way to obtain debian, or should i re-install it with a
new copy from debian? Like, downloading the iso file with VPN and
just make a new copy inside debian instead.
533 [02:50:03] <Igel> i'd rather not use kexec .. but..
dunno, any ideas?
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536 [02:51:06] <Igel> ee1: it depends on the threat model of your
environment
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538 [02:52:44] <Igel> it is probably OK
539 [02:53:09] <Igel> make sure rufus on windows did not install
debian to a wierd file system type
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545 [02:55:26] <Igel> Oh im sorry -- this is just the flash
writer. this should be OK... if you are really paranoid then try
this
replaced-url
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547 [02:56:23] <DotScreen> Hey guys, how are u doing ? Anyone in
the mood to talk about certications?
548 [02:56:44] <abrotman> DotScreen: this channel is for Debian
support, perhaps you'd like to try #debian-offtopic
549 [02:57:14] <DotScreen> Oh, sorry, I logged in on the wrong
channel haha
550 [02:57:20] <ee1> igel: What do you mean "it depends on
the threat model of your environment"? I tried the tails
version, but I was unlucky with it, so I had to download debian
directly. Normally I would use tails to begin with and rather make a
copy from tails to debian.
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552 [02:57:37] <DotScreen> actually I wrote on the wrong chat :p,
Thanks
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557 [03:01:24] <Igel> if you fear that the computer you are using
will manipulate the installation environment.. as in .. a sketchy
virus
558 [03:02:10] <Igel> say, a virus that looks for 0x7F
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560 [03:03:01] <Igel> i mean its windows 10
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563 [03:03:23] <Igel> you're driving an autonomous virus..
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575 [03:11:45] <ee1> igel: just to be on the safeside I will
re-install debian with a new copy on debian
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582 [03:19:29] <pingfloyd> ee1: you should download from and
official source and verify it
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584 [03:22:31] <ee1> I did, with VPN, but this rufus usb can be a
problem?
585 [03:22:55] <ee1> Or maybe debian should find if they would
implement something on it
586 [03:23:34] <jmcnaught> ee1: rufus is known to cause problems.
the recommended tool to use on windows is win32diskimager
587 [03:24:27] <ee1> Alright, let's say I lost and now
I'm on a "broken debian" system. It would be fine to
just "DD" with a new copy of debian then, right?
588 [03:26:04] <jmcnaught> ee1: you can use dd to copy Debian
hybrid ISO images, or cp, or cat, or pv
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595 [03:34:04] <ee1> Ok, so. Obtaining my debian another time
from the debian system should be safe. However, I'm struggling
with my VPN connection? Once I connect to my VPN, my internet stops.
Using openvpn (sudo openvpn --config /home/user/Documents/*file*
596 [03:34:04] <ee1> And then I get just perfectly fine result
that says initilization sequence is completed, and then internet
cease to exist. I tried to different VPN and it's the same
problem.
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598 [03:35:01] <ee1> Never used debian 9 before, but in debian 8
there was never any problem. May I ask you how you use your VPN? or
maybe tell me what might be the error. And also, how do I stop the
VPN service?
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603 [03:38:08] <jmcnaught> ee1: one way to use openvpn on Debian
8 and 9 is to put an openvpn .conf file into /etc/openvpn and use
the openvpn@.service. For a file /etc/openvpn/foo.conf you would use
"systemctl start openvpn@foo" (replace start with stop to
stop)
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607 [03:41:32] <Guest40491> Hi everyone! why the root password
isnt working with "su root" after the debian installation?
608 [03:42:25] <jmcnaught> #866206
609 [03:42:26] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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611 [03:42:50] <jmcnaught> Guest40491: ^^ this problem does not
happen with installer images, which are the recommended way to
install
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613 [03:43:18] <ee1> jmcnaught: Do you happen to have a simply
guide for this?
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618 [03:47:17] <jmcnaught> ee1: look at ExecStart= line from
"systemctl cat openvpn@.service" output to see how it
works. that line uses %i as a placeholder for the instance. There is
a README.Debian.gz and other files in /usr/share/doc/openvpn
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620 [03:48:25] <Guest40491> thanks for the answers guys! I didnt
know that bug from live install. I had to fix it with some commands
at the boot starting
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624 [03:51:44] <ee1> jmcnaught: Arrigate jmc, found a guide that
should do the job. I'll be back in 5 min to see if it actually
works.
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628 [03:58:10] <Guest40491> Has anyone developed devices drivers
for orangepi here? I have some questions about physical memory
access...
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633 [04:00:07] <Phlunk3> hola, I am running deb 9, looking for
hints here as to how to disable multitouch (but single touch should
remain) on my monitor which uses hid_multitouch driver? I know this
isnt really a debian thing but thought someone here may just know /
be able to give me a nudge in the right direction.
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657 [04:19:29] <SpeakFreely> In order to install Mono on debian
jessie, I keep getting unmet dependency errors. Do I need to add
another source?
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660 [04:20:49] <jmcnaught> !bat
661 [04:20:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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668 [04:23:43] <SpeakFreely> Sorry jmcnaught here is my output:
replaced-url
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670 [04:24:24] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: why are you apologizing?
One moment I'll take a look.
671 [04:24:52] <SpeakFreely> Thanks :) and I've come here
enough time to realize I should say more than "hey this is a
problem" lol
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676 [04:27:33] <Proman> Hi. On GNOME desktop and cinnamon
enviroment there is a fast key button on keyboard (start) that is
very handy to have.. However, if I use the start button on my
keyboard on MATE layout, nothing happens.
677 [04:27:54] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: the mono-complete package
you are trying to install and its dependencies aren't from
Debian repos, they are from an upstream mono-project.com repo. You
will need to check with them why their stuff is broken.
678 [04:28:02] <Proman> This "applications should react on
the start button. Anyway I can fix it? I'm quite fresh to
Debian
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680 [04:28:51] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: you have a few non-Debian
repos, you should be careful especially with using repos and
packages for other distros. Take a look at
replaced-url
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683 [04:31:03] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: alright thanks for the
info!
684 [04:32:45] <jmcnaught> Proman: most desktop environments have
a tool to configure keyboard shortcuts in their settings
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692 [04:36:42] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: so would you suggest
against adding a mono-project.com repo in order to install it?
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695 [04:38:29] <Igel> cool, its grub-reboot and a few
/etc/default/grub changes..
696 [04:38:38] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: I usually try to do what
I need to using the software available in Debian. Sometimes
that's not possible because Debian doesn't include
anything, but when you use third-party repos and packages for other
distros there is a risk
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698 [04:40:14] <Igel> # Linux xxx 4.4.70.mptcp #1 SMP Sun Jun 4
21:51:14 UTC 2017 x86_64
699 [04:40:20] <Igel> cool it worked like a charm
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701 [04:41:54] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: Looks like the reason was
my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono had wheezy instead of jessie, odd
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728 [05:03:03] <duff> Does debian support the f2fs file system
when installing it as root?
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840 [06:44:41] <ee1> Hello. Got a question regarding the firewall
UFW. What would the command line be for having all incoming traffic
denied?
841 [06:44:53] <ee1> I got sudo ufw enable to work atleast
><
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845 [06:46:22] <burek> install -
replaced-url
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847 [06:46:46] <burek> thats graphical interface for ufw, much
easier to operate
848 [06:47:09] <ee1> ye i prefer workign with the console, since
it gets actived directly on startup
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851 [06:48:07] <burek> yeah, but console doesnt activate ufw on
the startup, system does?
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853 [06:48:47] <ee1> It becomes active before debian starts up
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859 [06:49:57] <burek> uhm, ok
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862 [06:50:21] <burek>
replaced-url
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870 [06:56:47] <ee1> Couldn't find it really, it's an
easy command to block all incoming traffic.. like sudo ufw deny
incoming..
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873 [06:57:50] <jmcnaught> ee1: did you read ufw's man page?
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875 [06:58:15] <burek> i think by default it blocks all incoming
when you enable it
876 [06:58:19] <burek> lemme look it up once again
877 [06:59:48] <burek> its from 2k13, but i dont think cmds
changed -
replaced-url
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895 [07:12:29] <Mick> Hi, my Debian Squezze installation keeps
resetting the keyboardshortcut (ctrl+alt+t) to gnome-terminal, even
if i deleted the link in the link in the keyboard-settings, and add
a link to "terminator" (ctrl+alt+t)...
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897 [07:13:07] <jmcnaught> Mick: are you sure it's squeeze
(debian 6)?
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899 [07:13:14] <Mick> how do i make that setting (ctrl+alt+t =
termiator) permanent ?
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901 [07:13:51] <Mick> terminator..
902 [07:14:24] <well_laid_lawn> whwere are you setting that
shortcut ?
903 [07:14:30] <paqcito> Hi. Anyone in here? Do you guys think
virtualization is still important in this cloud computing
"era"?
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905 [07:15:07] <Mick> it keeps resetting to gnome-terminal, i did
uninstall gnome-terminal, but it keeps searching for
"gnome-terminal"
906 [07:15:56] <jmcnaught> Mick: are you actually using squeeze?
907 [07:16:06] <Mick> Yes...
908 [07:16:39] <Mick> I am using Debian Squeeze..
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911 [07:17:19] <jmcnaught> Mick: you should upgrade, three times.
squeeze has not had security support for quite some time.
912 [07:17:39] <Mick> jmcnaught: upgrade to Windows ???
913 [07:17:43] <Mick> No, thanks...
914 [07:17:52] <Mick> I stay with Squeeze...
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918 [07:19:05] <jmcnaught> Mick: not even the release after
squeeze, wheezy, has security updates for desktop software. you need
to upgrade to at least oldstable aka jessie debian 8 if you want a
secure system
919 [07:19:37] <rjsalts> s/secure system/system without known
security problems/
920 [07:19:54] <Mick> stop clogging my window, it is for text
messages only, not for spam...
921 [07:19:54] <jmcnaught> fair enough
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923 [07:21:29] <burek> lmao
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930 [07:27:10] <Logg> My touchscreen shows events happening on
/dev/input/event4 with evtest, but it's not moving the mouse
cursor or acting as a mouse button. How can I make the touchscreen
work as a mouse pointer? This is a raspbian system, not actually
real debian, so sorry if this is the wrong channel.
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933 [07:30:27] <jmcnaught> Logg: it is the wrong channel ☹
you're looking for #raspbian
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937 [07:34:07] <Mick> how do i disable the autmated creation of
lost+found folders ? they are nasty and clutter my sight...
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939 [07:35:14] <Mick> Linux has become unconfigurable, but only
upgradable..., i dislike it.
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942 [07:35:44] <burek> thats because you're on debian 6
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944 [07:35:45] <burek> lmao
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949 [07:37:38] <Mick> lfa ?
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957 [07:39:19] <Logg> thanks jmcnaught :-)
958 [07:40:27] <Mick> :-D
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966 [07:44:11] <pragomer> I cannot set a passphrase using
debian9-xfce-xarchiver for 7z-archives. In different distros with
xfce I can do that. what could be the reason? (I installed
p7zip-full!)
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1015 [08:16:04] <tarantul> Ppl, If I use 3.0 native format, should
debian/patches is applied?
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1018 [08:18:50] <jordanm> tarantul: there is no reason for it to
exist for native packages
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1096 [09:00:01] <SteeevO> if I install a live version of debian on
a usb drive, will it retain software installs as well or just files
I have in my home?
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1103 [09:03:34] <well_laid_lawn> live versions boot into memory
nothing will be saved
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1124 [09:20:04] <metax> Any way to get Debian not to screen saver
if YouTube is playing a video, or VLC is playing a video?
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1157 [09:40:44] <wondiws> HELP!
1158 [09:41:00] <wondiws> I've got all sorts of problems all
of the sudden
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1161 [09:41:17] <Drzacek> #prayforwondiws
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1163 [09:41:23] <wondiws> The keyboard of my Lenovo Yoga stopped
working in Debian, not in Grub
1164 [09:41:29] <wondiws> and usb keyboard and mouse are jerky
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1166 [09:41:43] <Drzacek> oh no
1167 [09:41:51] <Drzacek> so when did that started?
1168 [09:41:54] <wondiws> yesterday everything was fine
1169 [09:41:57] <Drzacek> did you changed something lately?
1170 [09:42:05] <wondiws> Drzacek, no
1171 [09:42:08] <Drzacek> (update, new software, new hardware)?
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1173 [09:42:21] <wondiws> I just updated software (after this
started) in the hope it helps
1174 [09:42:44] <wondiws> a new kernel image is installed as well
now, but that doesn't fix it
1175 [09:43:17] <wondiws> oh, and the touchpad isn't working
either, not surprisingly
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1180 [09:44:54] <Drzacek> what debian version?
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1183 [09:45:08] <wondiws> Drzacek, sid
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1195 [09:51:31] <ZSky> Hi
1196 [09:51:37] <ZSky> When I do this from bash: while read p; do
echo "$p" done <test.txt
1197 [09:51:48] <ZSky> I get: >
1198 [09:51:52] <ZSky> and nothing happens
1199 [09:51:56] <wondiws> my uptime is 12 min, and some kworker
thread already clocked 5:50.77, this doesnt sem riht
1200 [09:51:56] <ZSky> any idea?
1201 [09:52:04] <wondiws> and half my keystrokes are skipped
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1207 [09:54:12] <ZSky> why?
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1211 [09:55:30] <wondiws> rebot
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1216 [09:56:18] <Popzi> where are the systemctl services stored in
debian? I have delete one from /etc/systemd/system/file and
/lib/systemd/system/file, but they are still within the tab of sudo
systemctl status file
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1219 [09:57:00] <Haohmaru> could they be cached?
1220 [09:57:16] <Ke> some of them are under /run/
1221 [09:57:18] <Popzi> Haohmaru: I have no idea, i did `systemctl
disable x`
1222 [09:57:22] <Popzi> Ke: thanks ill check that now
1223 [09:57:43] <Ke> /run is the dir for automatically generated
units
1224 [09:57:43] <Popzi> Ke: hmm a bunch of session scopes
1225 [09:58:31] <Popzi> Im basically trying to run uwsgi on
startup as a service but for some reason every tutorial is different
and ive cocked it up
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1247 [10:09:03] <kchr> ZSky: you have to have a semicolon before
the "done" keyword
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1250 [10:11:59] <kchr> Popzi: try `systemctl daemon-reload` to
pick up changes to systemd units
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1252 [10:12:28] <kchr> usually needed if you have changed the unit
files on disk
1253 [10:12:40] <kchr> which _i think_ includes removing them
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1261 [10:14:24] <Popzi> kchr: I've got it to work :) just
problems with bloody UWSGI now -_-
1262 [10:14:46] <Mick> how do i find out , in which repository a
packet is stored ?
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1264 [10:15:05] <Popzi> kchr: infact do you happen to know how to
force a service to stop? It's hanging on trying to stop it now
>_>
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1269 [10:16:03] <elvirolo> hi all
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1271 [10:16:57] <Hekatte07> hi
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1275 [10:18:28] <kchr> Popzi: hanging on `systemctl stop`? no idea
except killing the actual process
1276 [10:19:00] <kchr> Popzi: you can check the PID with
`systemctl status` and `kill -TERM <pid>` if it still
doesn't return
1277 [10:19:08] <Popzi> kchr: thanks :)
1278 [10:19:41] <kchr> that will at least give the process the
opportunity to terminate gracefully even if systemd is acting up :)
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1284 [10:22:34] <Popzi> argh fking uwsgi is a #$"£$
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1287 [10:25:30] <kchr> Mick:
replaced-url
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1292 [10:27:19] <Mick> kchr: on cli , of course...
1293 [10:27:44] <Mick> using command-line interface..
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1295 [10:28:49] <drxos> Hi. Impossible to connect to the root
after Debian 9.0 installation. The keyboard config is ok.
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1297 [10:28:57] <Agiofws> hello
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1299 [10:29:22] <kchr> Mick: `apt-cache show <package>`
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1302 [10:29:50] <kchr> Mick: alternatively you can see what repo
is currently used for installed package via `apt-cache policy
<package>`
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1307 [10:32:08] <Agiofws> i have installed debian onto /dev/sda4
with out installing grub onto the mbr of sda my goal is to install
grub onto a bootable usb stick can anyone help me with this problem?
how do i format the tsick and how do i tell grub to install onto the
usb finding all the right OSes on the partitions and writing them
onto the usbs mbr?
1308 [10:32:29] <Agiofws> can i do this through windows?
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1311 [10:32:44] <Agiofws> even through a live cd
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1325 [10:40:11] <wondiws> Drzacek, my keyboard an touchpad work
again, after a 30min nap
1326 [10:40:38] <Popzi> linuxy bash question: does 1 line in bash
= 1 command? e.g line1 systemctl stop this, line2 systemctl start
this, would turn a service on and off?
1327 [10:40:56] <Drzacek> wondiws, great to hear
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1329 [10:41:01] <Drzacek> what was the cause?
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1331 [10:41:09] <wondiws> Drzacek, not a bloody clue
1332 [10:41:15] <Drzacek> :D
1333 [10:41:29] <Drzacek> well you are working on unstable
1334 [10:41:37] <Drzacek> bugs are to be expected
1335 [10:42:09] <vlt> Popzi: In general, yes.
1336 [10:42:12] <Drzacek> btw you have more luck finding help
related to buster/sid on OFTC (not freenode) network in #debian-next
1337 [10:42:31] <vlt> Popzi: Except in your case off and on.
1338 [10:42:33] <Drzacek> Popzi, \ and the line goes on to the
next line
1339 [10:42:41] <wondiws> Drzacek, true, but the newer versions
outweigh the occasional problems for me
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1341 [10:42:44] <Popzi> Drzacek, vlt: thanks guys :)
1342 [10:42:54] <vlt> Popzi: The commands are executed from top to
bottom.
1343 [10:43:10] <Drzacek> wondiws, true, I'm on buster myself
(at home, here on stretch), it is usable
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1383 [11:00:05] <debianUser4234> Hello, wondering... there's
a better way to check if a directory is the same of another with
checksum instead of rsync ? because rsync is pretty slow..
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1385 [11:01:06] <debianUser4234> I'm using a command like
rsync -vv --checksums --recursive --times --delete --force
--human-readable --progress --itemize-changes -n -W /source /dest
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1387 [11:02:21] <fireba11> debianUser4234: you mean rsync takes
longer to do checksums than other tools? seems dubious :-D
1388 [11:02:21] <vlt> debianUser4234: You can build your own tool.
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1392 [11:02:49] <elricsfate> Hey guys
1393 [11:02:56] <colo-work> debianUser4234, you can always use a
combination of find, md5sum, and diff - and a little creativity
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1395 [11:02:56] <elricsfate> I'm having some issues with
debconf-set-selections
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1397 [11:03:26] <elricsfate> I'm passing in some values in an
attempt to run dpkg-reconfigure non-interactively
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1406 [11:07:35] <elricsfate> Here is all the relevant information
1407 [11:07:37] <elricsfate>
replaced-url
1408 [11:08:25] <elricsfate> It does not seem like it's using
the configured values.
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1446 [11:23:39] <raouf> nvz
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1450 [11:23:46] <raouf> are you here
1451 [11:23:47] <raouf> .
1452 [11:23:50] <raouf> .?
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1494 [11:37:33] <dutchfish> hi, anyone know a solution to silence
lircd (in a nice way) so it wont be spamming my logs, while i have
no ir hardware? example; lircd-0.9.4c[723]: Error: Cannot glob
/sys/class/rc/rc0/input[0-9]*/event[0-9]*
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1500 [11:39:32] <dutchfish> unfortunately i cant remove the
package since it has been autoinstalled by a tree of dependecies,
which i dont want to break
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1508 [11:43:11] <dutchfish> this is the output of `aptitude why
lirc`
replaced-url
1509 [11:43:48] <humbot> dutchfish are you saying you don't
need it to be running ?
1510 [11:44:06] <dutchfish> disabling that service in systemd
doesnt sustain over a reboot apropos
1511 [11:44:13] <humbot> :o
1512 [11:44:13] <dutchfish> yes
1513 [11:44:45] <humbot> oh that was what i was going to suggest,
have you tried update-rc.d ... too ?
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1515 [11:45:01] <dutchfish> humbot, yup :)
1516 [11:45:41] <humbot> sorry i don't know any more, just
thought i'd chip in since no-one was answering
1517 [11:45:59] <dutchfish> the only thing (i dont know how is) to
fake a package and divert it, however i forgot how to do that in
such a way that systemd is happy
1518 [11:46:37] <dutchfish> but that woud be still a workaround
the dirty way
1519 [11:46:40] <cheapie> The last time I had to deal with this
sort of thing (%*!&^ udisks) I ended up just chmodding the file
it was trying to run -x, and then doing some ACL stuff to prevent it
from being changed back.
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1522 [11:46:59] <cheapie> That's probably completely the
wrong way to do it, but it did work...
1523 [11:47:12] <dutchfish> cheapie, neat trik, i try that (its
dirty too), but it might work, thanks
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1525 [11:47:38] <cheapie> That's also how I stop
network-mangler from overwriting my resolv.conf on the one box where
that causes problems.
1526 [11:47:52] <dutchfish> grrr, yeh thats another on my todo
1527 [11:48:06] <cheapie> (as I need it to configure one
interface, but need DNS to go through a different one)
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1529 [11:48:21] <dutchfish> cheapie, ditto however i run a bridge
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1534 [11:49:03] <dutchfish> thanks to everyone for thinking along.
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1536 [11:51:09] <dutchfish> i got it sorted out, after updating
python3-yaml and libftdi1-2 from proposed, i can disable lirc now,
and it sustains over a reboot. Problem solved
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1538 [11:52:10] <dutchfish> still funny thing left is that a clean
install of kde-full does install the recommends along ... mmm...
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1541 [11:53:43] <dutchfish> uninstalling lirc and kremotecontrol
also seams to not break the depencies anymore.
1542 [11:53:51] <dutchfish> nice
1543 [11:54:05] <dutchfish> dependecies*
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1552 [11:59:50] <dutchfish> last q: kernel: ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Set
to 'normal', was 'performance' |
ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: View and update with x86_energy_perf_policy(8) |
Where can i read up about configuring these settings?
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1557 [12:00:34] <dutchfish> (debian stable)
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1588 [12:24:53] <tiny> I'm creating a FAI server with
autodiscovery for different locations that have different IP
subnets. What I would like to achieve is a location base menu in
boot loader. This means different faiserver IP per location and
different dhcp setting per location.
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1590 [12:25:05] <tiny> Is it possible to achive something like
that with some sort of boot parameters?
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1593 [12:26:00] <dutchfish> tiny, yes, but not how you proposed
it.
1594 [12:26:18] <tiny> well it was a first idea that came to my
mind :D
1595 [12:26:41] <tiny> dutchfish: bootlader parameters?
1596 [12:26:45] <dutchfish> tiny, solution: dhcp relaying over
proxy, then dns it, then query the right instance of your FAI, each
for every subnet.
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1598 [12:27:04] <dutchfish> tiny, (that was in a nutshell)
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1602 [12:27:36] <dutchfish> tiny, FAI on its own, is unaware of
subnetting
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1604 [12:27:51] <tiny> location is bare metal ... nothing is
running when I start the install process. Only FAI server from a
dedicated/embedded hardware attached to a L2 network.
1605 [12:28:13] <dutchfish> tiny, right, hence you solve it by a
proxy on each subnet.
1606 [12:29:06] <dutchfish> tiny, think it over, make a plan,
still questions, come back and ask specifics.
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1608 [12:29:42] <dutchfish> tiny, it quiet a large undertaking....
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1611 [12:31:18] <dutchfish> tiny, for small nets, {2 dhcp deamons}
doc see:
replaced-url
1612 [12:31:45] <dutchfish> tiny, but i prefer the proxy approach
on larger ones
1613 [12:32:05] <dutchfish> tiny, and dhcp relaying
1614 [12:32:11] <tiny> I think I see where you're pointing
...
1615 [12:32:36] <dutchfish> tiny, ok, have fun with the plan, good
luck!
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1617 [12:32:41] <tiny> DNS part is unnecessary if I don't
need it (or you ment something)
1618 [12:33:41] <dutchfish> tiny, well, it depends on large nets,
like mine with about 50 subnets, dns-ing it form the start makes
your life alot easier. I even implemented host naming through DNS,
purely for convinience.
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1621 [12:34:08] <tiny> make sense ... I have a lot of embedded
devices. Time to sort things out.
1622 [12:34:17] <tiny> thanks dutchfish
1623 [12:34:20] <dutchfish> tiny, rightyo
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1626 [12:35:59] <dutchfish> tiny, hint: pfsense can do alot for
you in the former mentioned aproach.
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1628 [12:36:38] <dutchfish> tiny, or consult there docs and
iplement it the Debian way.
1629 [12:36:43] <dutchfish> implement*
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1638 [12:42:02] <tiny> dutchfish: Using pfsense a lot, but will
not be present on location, maybe if I bring one with me...
1639 [12:42:29] <tiny> I have to setup main FW anyway ... and
it'll prolly be pfsense
1640 [12:42:46] <dutchfish> tiny, np, just a thought
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1644 [12:44:08] <dutchfish> tiny, also think IP-aliasing, if you
insist on not using DNS
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1647 [12:44:32] <dutchfish> tiny, (prolly more work)
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1689 [13:04:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1693 [13:08:06] <Logg> hi blue
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1726 [13:20:36] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> hi
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1728 [13:21:23] <BluesKaj> yes it's worldwide :-)
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1730 [13:21:39] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Greetings!
1731 [13:21:46] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Who likes my new nick?
1732 [13:22:15] <BluesKaj> it's a bit much :-)
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1736 [13:22:54] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Tell me more
1737 [13:22:59] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> I want to have the best nick on
IRC
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1743 [13:24:05] <BluesKaj> there's no such thing , besides
that's offtopic here
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1751 [13:27:27] <elvirolo> I'm trying to configure alsa, but
i don't think I'm doing it properly. Here is the output of
aplay -l :replaced-url
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1760 [13:31:04] <dutchfish> elvirolo, is that on a raspberry pi?
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1763 [13:32:49] <elvirolo> dutchfish: no, on an Olimex Lime2 arm
board
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1766 [13:33:25] <BluesKaj> so it is an arm device with debian
1767 [13:33:54] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: Yes.
1768 [13:34:32] <dutchfish> elvirolo, i rem something about Sabre
USB dac problem, solved by new firmware. You could dig it up in the
raspbian fora. Same approach probably for your device.
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1770 [13:35:08] <elvirolo> dutchfish: ok, thanks a lot
1771 [13:35:17] <dutchfish> elvirolo, yw
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1774 [13:36:11] <BluesKaj> hmm, alsamixer opens on my rpi3 with
debian pixel DE...odd
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1777 [13:36:54] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, it is just the greater,
easely changeable. have fun.
1778 [13:37:16] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, i noticed that too.
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1780 [13:37:57] <BluesKaj> dutchfish, well there's not much
support for that device on irc i suspect
1781 [13:38:58] <elvirolo> Weird thing is that it used to work
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1783 [13:39:59] <elvirolo> Well, it didn't work after the
previous fresh install. But it did work after editing asound.conf.
The thing is I don't remember what I did last time
1784 [13:40:05] <dutchfish> elvirolo, sorry for this is getting to
much offtopic, but last remark, trying to help:
replaced-url
1785 [13:40:06] <BluesKaj> elvirolo, any package updates/upgrades
lately?
1786 [13:40:16] <dutchfish> elvirolo, maybe try there fora?
1787 [13:40:45] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: Yes, can't remember what
though
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1789 [13:41:20] <BluesKaj> elvirolo, have you thought of upgrading
to stretch ?
1790 [13:41:51] <elvirolo> dutchfish: thank you very much
1791 [13:42:03] <dutchfish> elvirolo, yw
1792 [13:42:17] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: I'm using Yunohost,
which isn't compatible with stretch yet
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1799 [13:44:47] <elvirolo> weird, I got the sound to work, but
alsamixer still doesn't
1800 [13:44:58] <elvirolo> thanks a lot for your help anyway
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1805 [13:47:03] <dutchfish> elvirolo, in that same link, some
suggestions are made how to manually configure it, maybe that works
for you too, or hints you to a working setup.
1806 [13:48:10] <BluesKaj> quite a specialist setup, not very
common , hard to find info
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1897 [14:39:23] <IllusiveBagel> Hey
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1900 [14:39:43] <moldy> hi
1901 [14:39:50] <IllusiveBagel> sup
1902 [14:40:30] <moldy> i have a jessie server that is running
some qemu / kvm vms. they use bridged networking, as described on
replaced-url
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1905 [14:41:14] <IllusiveBagel> been thinking about strapping some
together looks like an interesting project
1906 [14:41:16] <moldy> after a reboot, the network
"suddenly" stopped working. on the host, everything is
still working fine. but inside the vms, the network seems to be
completely dead (no reply from the DHCP server)
1907 [14:41:35] <moldy> does anyone have any hints on how to debug
this?
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1913 [14:42:51] <moldy> interface file on the host:
replaced-url
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1931 [14:51:50] <dob1> hi, where does mutt stores its settings in
the home directory ? i tried .mutt, .muttrc, .config/mutt
.local/share/mutt but none of them are present
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1934 [14:52:17] <dob1> .cache/mutt neither exists
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1936 [14:52:25] <dutchfish> moldy, i suspect a problem with
routing on the host, also notice the dropped packets on eth0
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1938 [14:52:50] <dutchfish> moldy, 2nd inspect firewall rules on
the vm
1939 [14:53:36] <JohnCub> dob1: "Note that Mutt will
recognize by default two locations for its configuration file;
~/.muttrc and ~/.mutt/muttrc"
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1943 [14:53:59] <moldy> dutchfish: there are are no firewall rules
on the vm as far as i see (ufw not installed, iptables -L just
showing the default output)
1944 [14:54:09] <JohnCub> it continues to say you can move that
configuration as well
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1948 [14:54:56] <moldy> dutchfish: routing on the host:
replaced-url
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1951 [14:55:52] <dutchfish> moldy, `route -v` please
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1954 [14:56:53] <moldy> dutchfish:
replaced-url
1955 [14:56:55] <dutchfish> moldy, i want to see U and UG
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1957 [14:57:29] <moldy> dutchfish: it's there?
1958 [14:57:31] <dutchfish> moldy, looks fine to me, so thats not
it
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1960 [14:57:37] <moldy> ah, ok. yup.
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1963 [14:58:04] <moldy> when i run dhclient in the vm, the dropped
packets count on eth0 on the host does not change
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1965 [14:58:15] <dutchfish> moldy, if you still hav access to the
vm, you might try an ifup manually (just for test)?
1966 [14:58:54] <moldy> dutchfish: same behaviour, no dhcp
response
1967 [14:59:06] <dob1> JohnCub, I don't have them
1968 [14:59:06] <moldy> i also tried manually configuring the
interface in the vm. also no luck.
1969 [14:59:16] <dutchfish> moldy, you sure, the dhcp server is
not defunct?
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1971 [14:59:29] <moldy> i also removed the virtual nic and added a
new one
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1973 [14:59:38] <dutchfish> moldy, ah ok
1974 [14:59:48] <moldy> dutchfish: the dhcp server works fine from
the pov of the host and other systems on the network
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1977 [15:00:22] <dutchfish> moldy, ok
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1979 [15:00:48] <dutchfish> moldy, how does the adapter apear/or
not in lspci on the vm?
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1983 [15:01:49] <dob1> JohnCub, I found something, it stores some
tmp files in /tmp
1984 [15:02:32] <Morg0th> Hello, I just installed Debian and I
can't boot in my system. It's stuck on this:
replaced-url
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1987 [15:02:46] <moldy> ifconfig inside the vm:
replaced-url
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1991 [15:03:20] <moldy> dutchfish: realtek RTL-8100
1992 [15:03:40] <dutchfish> moldy, the correct naming convention
for the adapter inside the vm for the 1st should be in the form like
`enp4s0`
1993 [15:04:09] <dutchfish> moldy, maybe thats confusing the bound
1994 [15:04:10] <moldy> dutchfish: hmm
1995 [15:04:42] <JohnCub> dob1: I see in the mutt man page it
shows where all of its files should be. You can also check the
mutt.org page "core concepts" in seciont 1, localization
of initialization files
1996 [15:05:05] <moldy> dutchfish: ah i should have mentioned: the
network is dead for *all* VMs (which includes some windows machines)
1997 [15:05:18] <moldy> so a config problem *inside* the VM seems
unlikely
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1999 [15:05:51] <dutchfish> moldy, in that case we can rule out
the vm and start looking at the host probably.
2000 [15:06:08] <dutchfish> moldy, yes
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2002 [15:06:57] <moldy> firewall on host:
replaced-url
2003 [15:07:14] <moldy> i wonder if the docker thing could be
causing problems
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2005 [15:07:17] <dutchfish> moldy, thats fine, looks pretty
default
2006 [15:07:33] <dutchfish> moldy, is the host running on a fixed
address?
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2008 [15:08:00] <moldy> let me check...
2009 [15:08:37] <moldy> seems to be a dynamic address
2010 [15:09:09] <moldy> yup
2011 [15:09:49] <dutchfish> moldy, mm.. i prefer a fixed address,
and make sure its outside of the dhcp scope of your dhcp server.
sometimes dhcp servers get confused about this. If so, easy to test
by rebooting your fritzbox.
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2016 [15:12:03] <dutchfish> moldy, next on the list is a tcpdump
on the host interface, most likely it will hint you whats going on
and why it drops the packets (vm).
2017 [15:13:23] <dutchfish> moldy, i curieus to know why the
naming convention of the vm is not on par for the interface.
2018 [15:13:25] <moldy> dutchfish: for now i rebooted the host. it
has the same ip address as before the reboot. network in the vms
still dead.
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2021 [15:14:14] <moldy> the naming convention is defined by some
udev rule, iirc?
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2024 [15:14:34] <dutchfish> moldy, are you running an old Debian
as vm??
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2026 [15:15:31] <Morg0th> Any ideas why i'm getting these
errors
replaced-url
2027 [15:15:39] <dutchfish> moldy, if so, you prolly have to
delete the udev rule generated by udev for `net` rule, certainly
when this is a cloned vm.
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2030 [15:16:20] <moldy> dutchfish: not sure about the history of
this vm, my boss set it up :)
2031 [15:16:48] <dutchfish> moldy, ah, check the udev rules for
`net`.
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2034 [15:17:20] <dutchfish> moldy, if this is Debian stable, then
it would be handled for you.
2035 [15:17:23] <moldy> will do later, first it's tcpdump
time, i think
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2037 [15:17:28] <moldy> it's debian 8 (jessie)
2038 [15:17:31] <dutchfish> moldy, yup
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2040 [15:17:40] <moldy> might be that the box was updated from
debian 7, dunno
2041 [15:17:47] <dutchfish> moldy, check udev net rule first
2042 [15:18:12] <dutchfish> moldy, it can be deleted since its
autogenerated on next boot.
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2046 [15:18:44] <dutchfish> moldy, it rems its mac address, hence
it wont work.
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2052 [15:19:27] <dutchfish> moldy, specially on cloned system (MAC
clashes)
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2056 [15:22:05] <moldy> while running dhclient -d eth0 in the vm,
this is what i see on the host:
replaced-url
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2060 [15:24:19] <moldy> `tcpdump -v -i br0 -n src 192.168.3.1` on
the host does not show anything that looks like a dhcp reply...
2061 [15:24:38] <dutchfish> moldy, and what is the MAC adres
according to `sudo journalctl | grep 'MAC address'` ?
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2064 [15:25:44] <darxmurf> how should I write my /etc/exports to
allow ro access on /my/folder/ and rw access on /my/folder/rw/ ?
2065 [15:25:57] <moldy> dutchfish: doesn't find anything
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2067 [15:26:28] <dutchfish> moldy, that means the host doe snot
expose an adapter to the vm.
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2069 [15:26:55] <dutchfish> moldy, or an old net udev rule blocks
it
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2073 [15:27:22] <moldy> hmmm
2074 [15:27:51] <moldy> dutchfish: where do you expect
"journalctl | grep 'MAC address'" to show
output? in the vm?
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2077 [15:28:05] <dutchfish> moldy, yes
2078 [15:28:28] <dutchfish> moldy, but it should as well on the
host, but that is not relevant for now.
2079 [15:28:59] <dutchfish> moldy, still assuming that we are
talking Debian host and Debian vm.
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2081 [15:29:24] <moldy> jessie 8.8 on both host and vm
2082 [15:30:10] <dutchfish> moldy, oh gosh, that could mean, that
the host has the same problem with an old `NET` udev rule. Can you
check that first?
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2086 [15:31:21] <moldy> dutchfish:
replaced-url
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2088 [15:32:11] <dutchfish> moldy, do does MAC address are the
same as the ones listed with journalctl?
2089 [15:32:12] <moldy> 00:25:90:df:f1:26 is the mac of eth0 on
the host
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2091 [15:32:39] <moldy>
replaced-url
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2093 [15:32:58] <dutchfish> moldy, so nope!
2094 [15:33:07] <dutchfish> moldy, there is your problem.
2095 [15:33:11] <protonesso> debian sid
2096 [15:33:14] <protonesso> is good
2097 [15:33:38] <moldy> dutchfish: what exactly is the problem? :)
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2099 [15:34:16] <dutchfish> moldy, you can safely delete (on the
host) /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (then reboot the box
and check again)
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2101 [15:34:44] <dutchfish> moldy, it will be auto-regenerated,
but this time with the correct MAC's.
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2104 [15:35:42] <dutchfish> moldy, same drill for all your old
Debian VM's btw
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2106 [15:35:52] <moldy> dutchfish: as far as i see the macs are
correct? but i'll give it a try
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2110 [15:38:02] <moldy> dutchfish: the newly generated file after
reboot is semantically identical
2111 [15:38:31] <dutchfish> moldy, did you double check the MAC
addresses?
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2115 [15:39:01] <moldy> dutchfish: yup, looks good to me..pasting
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2118 [15:39:14] <dutchfish> moldy, and compared it to
journalctl's output?
2119 [15:39:18] <moldy> 3 minutes... phone
2120 [15:39:27] <JohnCub> dpkg: still salty?
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2122 [15:39:29] <dpkg> JohnCub: are you using Windows?
2123 [15:39:59] <JohnCub> whoever wrote that bot gets a kudos from
me
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2130 [15:43:01] <dutchfish> moldy, when you are back i want to see
the output of `uname -a`
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2140 [15:46:49] <moldy> dutchfish: Linux ben.fritz.box
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
(on host)
2141 [15:47:15] <moldy> udev rules & ifconfig output:
replaced-url
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2145 [15:48:09] <moldy> dutchfish: journalctl | grep MAC only
shows this:
replaced-url
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2151 [15:50:06] <dutchfish> moldy, what network adapters are in
host system?
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2154 [15:50:37] <dutchfish> moldy, at least what does lspci
reports on them?
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2160 [15:54:15] <dutchfish> moldy, if this is indeed e100e, then
maybe this helps
replaced-url
2161 [15:54:28] <dutchfish> s/e100e/e1000e
2162 [15:55:08] <dutchfish> moldy, assuming you have set (or
anyone before you) the MTU size manually.
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2164 [15:56:08] <dutchfish> moldy, try in interface the phrase mtu
8996 (directly after the iface stansa)
2165 [15:56:20] <moldy> lspci on host:
replaced-url
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2171 [15:57:42] <dutchfish> moldy, same drill for 82574 lan
controller
2172 [15:58:16] <dutchfish> moldy, it needs that mtu stansa.
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2174 [15:58:28] <moldy> dutchfish: interesting: with NAT,
everything works fine
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2177 [15:58:56] <dutchfish> moldy, might be, since nat does also
packet caching
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2180 [15:59:26] <dutchfish> moldy, but your bridge certainly wont
like it
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2182 [15:59:49] <dutchfish> moldy, if still not owrking, try even
smaller mtu sizes
2183 [15:59:54] <dutchfish> working*
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2185 [16:00:21] <dutchfish> (in the vm's leave it alone)
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2189 [16:02:02] <dutchfish> moldy, in any case, it looks like (for
some reason) your phys. adapters are not exposed to the bridge
properly. Hence no bind possible.
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2195 [16:04:03] <dutchfish> moldy, my time is up, i hope it helped
somewhat to narrow it down, good luck.
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2197 [16:04:40] <moldy> no difference with mtu 8000
2198 [16:04:44] <moldy> dutchfish: you did! thanks!
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2202 [16:05:25] <dutchfish> moldy, try exactly 8996 as MTU size in
the interfaces config for the MTU size.
2203 [16:05:37] <dutchfish> moldy, good luck
2204 [16:06:05] <dutchfish> moldy, or 9000-4.
2205 [16:06:19] <moldy> will try, thanks!
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2222 [16:15:51] <moldy> for the logs: the docker firewall rules
were the problem
2223 [16:16:09] <moldy> iptables -F FORWARD; iptables -P FORWARD
ACCEPT fixed it
2224 [16:16:29] <moldy> i guess the host wasn't forwarding
the dhcp requests from the vm to the outside network
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2231 [16:18:10] <Walakea> i installed KDE desktop even tho i
already had gnome and xfce, i noticed it messed up my GUI theme for
non-GTK programs, then i removed it, but those non-GTK programs
still use some weird theme, can i change it through xfce settings?
2232 [16:18:34] <matthiaskrgr> what to do if the debian installer
encounters a kernel panic during installation?
2233 [16:19:04] <greycat> ... google the error message and try to
figure out what's causing it?
2234 [16:19:11] <moldy> get compatible hardware? ;)
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2239 [16:20:15] <matthiaskrgr> there is no error message
2240 [16:20:19] <matthiaskrgr> the pc just switches off and
reboots
2241 [16:21:25] <greycat> So it's not a kernel panic, then.
2242 [16:21:34] <matthiaskrgr> mh
2243 [16:21:52] <greycat> A kernel panic prints messages on the
console and then possibly locks up, or possibly continues on.
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2246 [16:22:03] <mertyildiran> Hi, I'm packaging my Python
project with dpkg-buildpackage but resulting .deb file is not
installing the Python packages specified in install_requires,
setup.py. How can I fix that?
2247 [16:22:28] <matthiaskrgr> well, how to debug this? I
don't have any logs since running from read only USB drive
2248 [16:23:01] <greycat> What kind of hardware is it, and what
installer did you boot?
2249 [16:23:09] <matthiaskrgr> t470
2250 [16:23:17] <matthiaskrgr> (lenovo thinkpad)
2251 [16:23:37] <matthiaskrgr> I had the guided expert gui
installer I think
2252 [16:24:04] <greycat> You got to make a choice? So it
didn't power off *immediately*? What was it doing at the time
it powered off?
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2255 [16:24:18] <greycat> And which installer-thing did you boot?
2256 [16:24:20] <matthiaskrgr> it froze for a few seconds and then
powered off
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2259 [16:24:35] <matthiaskrgr> I can retry
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2262 [16:25:27] <matthiaskrgr> setup is
debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso dd'ed to usb drive
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2264 [16:25:52] <matthiaskrgr> I'll try the automated install
to see what happens
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2267 [16:27:02] <greycat> first google result I find is
replaced-url
2268 [16:27:20] <BluesKaj> matthiaskrgr, the netinstall textmode
seems the most reliable method,. the guis are unreliable on some HW
2269 [16:27:23] <moldy> so, my new question is: who or what sets
the FORWARD policy to DROP on boot, and how do i change that
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2272 [16:27:48] <greycat> moldy: there is no firewall by default
in Debian, so it's something you have done
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2279 [16:29:17] <matthiaskrgr> greycat: I tried installing fedora
already (like someone mentions in the reports). the installation
would succeed but I would get a crash resulting in unusable system
during kernel upgrade
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2281 [16:29:30] <moldy> greycat: probably something that was done
by some package i installed. the question is: how do i find out :)
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2283 [16:29:40] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: so, uh, don't upgrade
the kernel
2284 [16:29:50] <matthiaskrgr> ._.
2285 [16:29:54] <moldy> greycat: current theory: ufw does that
even though it is disabled
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2298 [16:33:23] <RandomGuyOnIrc> my cron daeomon is running on utc
time, but my users are on EST. How can I get the whole server
running on EST?
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2303 [16:33:52] <greycat> RandomGuyOnIrc: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
2304 [16:33:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks!
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2309 [16:34:47] <greycat> You may have to restart the cron service
after modifying the default tz.
2310 [16:35:09] <RandomGuyOnIrc> OK thanks
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2312 [16:35:42] <matthiaskrgr> hm. it hangs during "Unpacking
libc-bin..." now
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2316 [16:37:04] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: based on that google
result and the red hat bug report that it links to, this laptop
seems particularly difficult to get current-non-bleeding Linux to
work with
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2319 [16:37:28] <greycat> Beyond that, I don't have any
specific knowledge of laptops.
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2321 [16:38:01] <matthiaskrgr> it has some ubuntu certificate,
whatever that means
replaced-url
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2323 [16:39:27] <csi-rick> Hello, can anybody suggest a hosting
package for a low powered debian webserver. I cannot afford Cpanel.
And want to put my websites and email on it.
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2326 [16:40:00] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: did you try Ubuntu on it,
just for comparison? If that fails, maybe the hardware has an issue.
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2328 [16:40:56] <csi-rick> hosting panel, sorry
2329 [16:41:11] <matthiaskrgr> I tried xubuntu, but I'll give
ubuntu a go as well
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2331 [16:41:41] <matthiaskrgr> I already ran memtest and badblocks
and some preinstalled self-check on the laptop, all of them returned
green though
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2336 [16:42:41] <matthiaskrgr> hmm, what kernel does testing have
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2340 [16:42:47] <matthiaskrgr> I could also try the testing
install iso
2341 [16:42:55] <jhutchins_wk> csi-rick: If you're just
hosting your own sites, just use the CLI interface. You need to know
it anyway, the panel will eventually fail or fall short.
2342 [16:43:12] <greycat> If the buster installer has 4.11 then
that may be worth a try, based on the Red Hat reports.
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2347 [16:43:50] <jhutchins_wk> csi-rick: The only real reason to
use a panel is if you have computer illiterate clients who want to
manage their own sites, and then you need to be the backup who knows
how to fix things on the CLI.
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2351 [16:44:59] <jhutchins_wk> matthiaskrgr: Thinkpads tend to
work fairly well with most distros.
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2354 [16:45:09] <jhutchins_wk> matthiaskrgr: Did you validate the
checksum of the iso?
2355 [16:45:28] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
2356 [16:45:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686
(4.11.11-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
2357 [16:45:31] <judd> (3.2.89-2)
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2359 [16:46:01] <greycat> I know buster has a 4.11 kernel but I
don't know if the buster *installer* does.
2360 [16:46:13] <greycat> Or if there even is a buster installer
yet.
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2365 [16:47:01] <matthiaskrgr> buster == testing?
2366 [16:47:06] <celyr> y
2367 [16:47:11] <csi-rick> well I don't claim to be the
brightest light on the CLI tree...I have to google almost every
command....but your right
2368 [16:47:25] <csi-rick> only way to learn it
2369 [16:47:53] <matthiaskrgr> mmmh
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2375 [16:50:32] <moldy> greycat: it seems that docker-engine
installs something (not sure what) that sets the FORWARD policy on
boot...
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2379 [16:51:14] <greycat> Sounds horrifying and reinforces my
standard response of /ignore-ing anyone who asks a Docker question
in #bash.
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2466 [17:18:46] <csi-rick> jhutchins_wk, thanks. I like that
better. I may have fun with setting up and securing everything but
it will be an experience I should have done years ago
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2515 [17:34:54] <cybrNaut> if I download Release and Release.gpg,
the repo sig verifies fine, manually. But aptitude claims
incorrectly that the sig is invalid
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2520 [17:38:01] <petn-randall> !bat
2521 [17:38:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2522 [17:38:05] <petn-randall> cybrNaut: ^^^
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2524 [17:38:48] <petn-randall> cybrNaut: Instead of 2) you can put
the output of 'apt-key list'.
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2528 [17:40:45] <z8z> Hello guys, i need help to deactivate this
retarded feature of the gyroscope sensor which shows my desktop
upside down if i use laptop on my bed
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2530 [17:41:46] <z8z> ANd it's obviously bugged too
2531 [17:42:01] <greycat> Illuminati listening in?
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2534 [17:42:17] <Morg0th> Hi, any idea why i'm only seeing
this
replaced-url
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2539 [17:43:26] <petn-randall> Morg0th: Is that the *complete*
message you see when you boot? Does switching to other terminals
with ctrl + alt + F1/F2/F3/etc. change anything?
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2544 [17:44:30] <Morg0th> petn-randall, yes, it's the whole
thing, there's nothing else. i tested to do enter and alt+f1/f2
but not sure i tried it with control
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2546 [17:44:53] <Brigo> Morg0th, you have to debug it.
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2550 [17:45:17] <Morg0th> the thing too is that /dev/sdb1 is not
where root (/) is, i think it's where /usr is (and /dev/sdb2 is
/home, while /dev/sda1 is root if i'm not mistaking)
2551 [17:45:30] <Brigo> Morg0th, try
replaced-url
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2553 [17:46:01] <Brigo> Morg0th, i would be a weird problem in a
new instalation.
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2561 [17:47:22] <petn-randall> Morg0th: How did you prepare the
install image?
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2565 [17:48:03] <Morg0th> Brigo, thanks, i'm reading that,
i'll try it
2566 [17:48:05] <Brigo> try addding systemd.debug-shell=1 in the
kenel options
2567 [17:48:17] <Morg0th> petn-randall, i installed it with the
64-bit netinst put on a usb drive
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2570 [17:49:00] <Morg0th> Brigo, i have to edit grub.cfg to add
that to the correct line, right? haven't messed with the kernel
options in a long time
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2574 [17:49:25] <greycat> Morg0th: you press 'e' to edit
the grub command while booting
2575 [17:49:26] <Morg0th> i was able to chroot to the environment
from the gentoo live dvd
2576 [17:49:29] <Brigo> Morg0th, you can't do that, push e
when boot for edding the kernel at boot time.
2577 [17:49:42] <Morg0th> ok right ok that sounds better thanks
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2579 [17:49:52] <Brigo> Morg0th, fyi, you can do that from
netinstall too.
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2582 [17:50:46] <Morg0th> ok thanks guys, i'll try that right
now and let you know how it went when i'm back
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2584 [17:50:56] <Brigo> Morg0th, you can check grub parameters
there and see if the boot options are right (the right partiton, i
mean)
2585 [17:51:08] <Morg0th> ok nice
2586 [17:51:24] <petn-randall> Morg0th: How did you put it on the
USB though? Some tools like unetbootin break the installer.
2587 [17:51:35] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: thanks.. looks like the
author just deleted the repository (replaced-url
2588 [17:51:38] <Morg0th> petn-randall, i did it with rufus
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2591 [17:52:35] <Morg0th> leaving now (i have to reboot, i'm
on my windows partition atm on the same computer)
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2593 [17:52:39] <cybrNaut> it's the same problem with
gc2latex though.. maybe i'll return later to work on that
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2595 [17:52:55] <saul>
replaced-url
2596 [17:53:11] <saul> this machine is using fail2ban and the
action 'reject-with ...'
2597 [17:53:21] <saul> so when i try to -D i cant get a match for
that target
2598 [17:53:39] <petn-randall> If Morg0th shows up again, tell
them to retry installing using the official tools to create the USB
stick. Installation is likely broken due to rufus.
2599 [17:53:47] <petn-randall> (gotta leave now)
2600 [17:54:09] <koollman> saul: use iptables-save, to see the
correct syntax. Also I think fail2ban has a script/program to remove
a specific ip
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2602 [17:54:44] <saul> thanks koollman
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2609 [17:56:51] <thurstylark> I want the default apache2 config
back, so I deleted the config file, and reinstalled apache2, but now
it's complaining about not being able to find the config file
on start. How can I reinstall the default apache2 config file?
2610 [17:57:07] <greycat> what's the file's name?
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2614 [17:57:33] <greycat> Oh wait, you didn't say you pursed
or followed any of the confmiss stuff.
2615 [17:57:37] <greycat> purged*
2616 [17:57:38] <greycat> !confmiss
2617 [17:57:39] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
<ucf confmiss>.
2618 [17:57:44] <thurstylark> Ahh. cool
2619 [17:57:47] <thurstylark> thanks
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2621 [17:58:11] <greycat> Also be sure you identify the package
that ACTUALLY CONTAINS the config file, which may or may not be the
package you think it is.
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2624 [17:58:30] <greycat> The debian devs LOVE to make things
complicated.
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2626 [17:58:54] <thurstylark> Yeah, I checked that. the necessary
file is indeed in apache2
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2637 [18:03:47] <Morg0th> Hi again. so i tried adding
"systemd.debug-shell=1" to kernel options, it didn't
change anything. The specified partition is correct. Doing
Ctrl+alt+F[123] doesn't do anything and ctrl+alt+del does
reboot the system. Still couldn't boot in debian :(
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2640 [18:04:00] <greycat> !rufus
2641 [18:04:01] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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2643 [18:04:25] <greycat> 11:53 petn-randall> If Morg0th shows
up again, tell them to retry installing using the official tools to
create the USB stick. Installation is likely broken due to rufus.
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2646 [18:05:16] <Morg0th> weird, i always used rufus for my live
cds :/ what would you suggest instead then? and when rufus
"mangles the installer", would it just prevent it from
starting or could it make the install process successful but then
cause weird boot issues?
2647 [18:05:49] <Morg0th> ok i just read that greycat. i'll
check for the official tools instead then. will have to reinstall
for the 3rd time but i guess it's quick enough
2648 [18:05:59] <greycat> Actually, what *I* would do is chroot
into your half-working system (you said you were able to do that),
and use THAT to write the iso image to a USB device.
2649 [18:06:12] <greycat> Because it's not WINDOWS.
2650 [18:06:48] <Morg0th> ok, what command would you use to write
to the iso image from the chroot env? i don't think i ever did
that before
2651 [18:06:53] <prussian> I would just write the livecd to the
usb drive. pretty sure there are dd builds for windows even, or
cygwin
2652 [18:07:06] <greycat> Of course this is assumiong you can
somehow get the iso image into the file system space of the chrooted
half installation.
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2655 [18:07:27] <Morg0th> yep i should be able to wget the iso
2656 [18:07:32] <greycat> Live CD images can't be used to
install.
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2659 [18:07:42] <Morg0th> i used a gentoo live cd
2660 [18:07:45] <Morg0th> live dvd actually
2661 [18:07:53] <greycat> Oh, those might work. I have no idea.
2662 [18:08:00] <greycat> Debian's live images do not work.
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2668 [18:09:25] <Morg0th> yep i saw that. ok so i'll try to
recreate the usb with dd tools. thanks for your help guys
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2688 [18:16:47] <sashpta_> hey how can i completely delete a
package with all files related to it, etc? purge doesn't seem
to do the job
2689 [18:17:17] <discovered_> In debian how do start a program
automatically after it's boot?
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2691 [18:17:54] <saul> discovered_: research /etc/rc.local
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2693 [18:18:25] <saul> sashpta_: there is a option in apt that
will list the files related to a package, possibly dpkg
2694 [18:18:29] <Mick> ls
2695 [18:18:52] <discovered_> saul, /etc/rc.local: cannot open
`/etc/rc.local' (No such file or directory)
2696 [18:18:58] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg -L package lists the contents
as installed.
2697 [18:18:58] <dpkg> ii package lists the contents as installed.
2.2-12 jhutchins_wk's private porn collection
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2699 [18:19:08] <saul> discovered_: you can create it
2700 [18:19:10] <jhutchins_wk> Heh.
2701 [18:19:40] <saul> discovered_: put a command in there like
'touch /home/myUser/hello', reboot and see if that file
exists, then you know the command was executed
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2704 [18:19:55] <saul> discovered_: also make sure rc.local is
executable, look at chmod command for that
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2706 [18:20:05] <saul> of course change myUser to your user :)
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2708 [18:20:08] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: What program are you
working with? It should have at least an init script or an systemd
file if it's intended to run as a daemon.
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2712 [18:20:49] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, it will just open a
port that does not require root
2713 [18:21:01] <jhutchins_wk> saul: He could run rc.local from
the command line to test.
2714 [18:21:25] <saul> jhutchins_wk: he wants to make sure
it's running at boot though
2715 [18:21:39] <saul> i'm not sure what distribution he uses
so it's good to verify it runs at boot
2716 [18:21:41] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: Programs that run at
boot usually run as root, but you can drop to another user like
apache does.
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2719 [18:21:56] <Mick> Hi , may somebody help with Firefox videos
only playing as root ? (Version 6 to 12)..
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2721 [18:22:12] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firefox
2722 [18:22:13] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-2;
experimental: 55.0~b2-1
2723 [18:22:48] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, that is what i need
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2733 [18:23:42] <sashpta_> somehow there are tons of files missing
when i install nginx
replaced-url
2734 [18:23:52] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: I don't have any
details on the process, I would guess you could look at the init
script for apache to find out how they do it.
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2736 [18:24:15] <exp-innit> the security-tracker page, is its
metadata available in some sort of structured format?
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2738 [18:24:19] <exp-innit> ie JSON, YML?
2739 [18:24:29] <exp-innit> gotta be a better approach than
parsing a webpage
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2741 [18:24:35] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: If you have run a GUI or
Firefox as root, chances are you've munged the
configuration/profiles and have the wrong permissions.
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2744 [18:25:01] <jhutchins_wk> exp-innit: There's a mailing
list.
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2747 [18:25:44] <exp-innit> jhutchins_wk: if anything that's
surely less structured
2748 [18:25:51] <exp-innit> do you happen to know what the backend
infrastructure for security-tracker is?
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2750 [18:26:12] <exp-innit> i admit I've never actually
investigated this further than using the page as a handy reference
2751 [18:26:24] <maher> is there something like screen for x
sessions?
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2753 [18:26:49] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, how about creating a
user with nopasswd for that program?
2754 [18:26:58] <exp-innit> maher: I've yet to come across
one and afaik it won't be feasible for that to be done properly
until Wayland is default, but I may be entirely wrong so pinch of
salt :)
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2765 [18:29:37] <Mick> jhutchins_wk: how, would i install an old
firefox version for all users with the right permissions then ? (not
i my home-dir )
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2768 [18:29:58] <Mick> but in /opt/Firefox
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2788 [18:36:10] <exp-innit> right jhutchins_wk turns out it's
replaced-url
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2790 [18:36:15] <exp-innit> although i can't believe
that's still an svn
2791 [18:36:23] <exp-innit> really security team? really? :)
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2807 [18:40:34] <jhutchins_wk> exp-innit: Glad you found what you
needed.
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2809 [18:41:12] <exp-innit> jhutchins_wk: i hope so :)
2810 [18:41:28] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Use the mozilla installer,
but why would you do that?
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2849 [19:06:03] <Logg> Is this nemo extension in the debian
repository anywhere?
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2854 [19:07:32] <Trel> I installed an instance (from the DVD1) but
did not choose a mirror. Is there a default sources.list anywhere I
can reference or overwrite mine with. (This has zero to do with any
previous question)
2855 [19:07:51] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2856 [19:07:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2859 [19:08:46] <Trel> gracias
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2864 [19:11:18] <Mick> jhutchins_wk: how would i install firefox
for a mulituser environment, by hand ?
2865 [19:11:26] <greycat> Yes. By hand.
2866 [19:11:36] <Mick> manually...
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2868 [19:11:43] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Use the mozilla installer,
but why would you do that?
2869 [19:11:45] <greycat> Extract the tarball, create a symlink
from /usr/local/bin.
2870 [19:11:52] <greycat> It's not rocket surgery.
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2876 [19:12:59] <Mick> is there a tutorial on it, would you google
that for me ?
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2878 [19:13:07] <greycat> No, I would not google that for you.
2879 [19:13:24] <Mick> i was not succesful in searching...
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2881 [19:13:31] <greycat> If you can't extract a tarball and
create a symlink, you are not cut out for administering a system
with users.
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2884 [19:14:20] <Mick> ln -s greycat --> pinkcat...
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2886 [19:14:27] <Mick> i hate pink cats...
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2896 [19:17:14] <jhutchins_wk> It is not obvious that you can
still download the Linux version on a Windows box.
2897 [19:17:42] <greycat> Why would he be on a Windows box...
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2899 [19:18:17] <greycat> I mean, obviously, if you are installing
Firefox on a Debian system, the first thing you've gotta do is
log in to the Debian system.
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2903 [19:18:36] <Mick> dang.... , even debian is not as
friendly..., windows is painless, but i want linux... dang..
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2910 [19:21:48] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I seem to recall that at
one time they had a linux installer. I found the linux tarballs at
ftp.mozilla.org.
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2912 [19:22:06] <Logg> I've decided that most of the nemo
extensions found at
replaced-url
2913 [19:22:47] <greycat> If there's an "installer"
it probably does all the crazy crap like copying foobar.desktop
files into whatever place XDG looks for them.
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2920 [19:24:38] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Linux requires learning. Most
things get easier as you know more. Some things will always be a
pain, but far less so than in Windows because YOU can control the
system.
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2933 [19:28:24] <TRS-80> Good afternoon, gents! :)
2934 [19:28:26] <TRS-80> in sources.list, does security.debian.org
only target a point release? In other words, it needs to say
stretch/updates instead of stable/updates?
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2941 [19:30:31] <jhutchins_wk> TRS-80: It's always
recommended that you use a release name in your sources.list to
prevent unwanted release changes.
2942 [19:31:01] <Logg> it should match the other lines in your
sources.list anyway
2943 [19:31:14] <jhutchins_wk> Logg: True.
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2947 [19:32:27] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2948 [19:32:27] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2950 [19:34:21] <TRS-80> well, the others say stable, and that
works, but not for security.debian.org
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2952 [19:34:41] <greycat> I would change them all to stretch.
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2954 [19:34:47] <TRS-80> not with https anyway
2955 [19:34:55] <greycat> I would NOT use https.
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2957 [19:35:14] <TRS-80> that seems counter intuitive? what am I
missing
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2959 [19:35:38] <greycat> Did you read what the bot said?
You're doing every single thing wrong that you can possibly do
wrong.
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2961 [19:36:35] <TRS-80> yes I read that and have been searching
internet and reading man pages already, and cannot find answer to my
specific question, hence coming here
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2964 [19:37:05] <greycat> Is your question "Why can't I
randomly change bits and pieces of this file?"
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2967 [19:37:48] <TRS-80> I suppose I am seeking to understand the
underlying logic, why you can put stable in some cases and others
require stretch
2968 [19:38:25] <greycat> THen go ahead and randomly change things
on your system until you discern the underlying patterns to how hard
each thing breaks your system. You get to keep all the pieces.
2969 [19:38:46] <TRS-80> I am not trying to break things, I am
seeking to understaand
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2971 [19:39:55] <TRS-80> so it's always bettter to track a
point release is what you are saying? as a generality
2972 [19:39:58] <bezaban> TRS-80: packages are signed which handle
the integrity
2973 [19:40:15] <greycat> You are not "tracking a point
release". You are tracking a release, by name.
2974 [19:40:25] <TRS-80> aka a point release
2975 [19:40:35] <greycat> I give up. *PLONK*
2976 [19:40:38] <TRS-80> or is my terminology incorrect?
2977 [19:40:55] <greycat> If you want to make up your own LANGUAGE
then we can't even communicate with you.
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2979 [19:41:34] <TRS-80> OK so point releases could mean for
example 9.1 9.2 eetc, correct?
2980 [19:41:58] <TRS-80> but all would be considered
"stretch"
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2982 [19:42:00] <TRS-80> ?
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2985 [19:44:39] <peterrooney> TRS-80: yes, all are considered
stretch
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2987 [19:46:19] <boinkboink> I have a fresh "stretch"
install and trying to get MPLABX running. I've been through the
multiarch wiki page used the recipe.
2988 [19:46:30] <TRS-80> I was using wrong terminology, confusing
"codename" with "point release"
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2994 [19:48:42] <boinkboink> However the MPLABX install still
wines about not finding libexpat.so libX11.so and libXext.so but I
have not been able to find them. advise?
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2997 [19:49:03] <TRS-80> greycat so targeting "stable"
is no longer supported?
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2999 [19:49:47] <greycat> Install the i386 versions of those
packages, if in fact this is an i386 binary on an amd64 install.
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3001 [19:50:11] <greycat> Use ldd on the binary and keep
installing lib*:i386 pacakges until ldd is satisfied.
3002 [19:50:54] <Logg> works for me TRS-80
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3005 [19:51:07] <boinkboink> greycat: thank you I'll have a
go!
3006 [19:51:11] <Logg> not using https though
3007 [19:51:43] <TRS-80> I do see the sense in using a codename,
as jhutchins_wk pointed out
3008 [19:52:02] <greycat> Logg: be sure to test it in a chroot
inside a Docker container inside a fully virtualized VM and change
the owner of all the files and ... and ... "for learning!"
3009 [19:52:27] <TRS-80> so I suppose I will do that, since
stretch was just released. Prior to this I was on Jessie testing,
because reasons.
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3011 [19:52:51] <Logg> lol, I'll be sure to do that greycat.
NOT
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3013 [19:53:34] <boinkboink> greycat: ldd reports: not a dynamic
executable
3014 [19:53:47] <TRS-80> I still however don'tt understand
why https is a bad idea? In my mind, not doing this opens you up to
potential MitM attack? No? What am I missing?>
3015 [19:54:02] <greycat> Then what is the actual issue
you're having?
3016 [19:54:05] <prussian> objdump -p urexec
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3018 [19:54:38] <prussian> if ldd reports that... objdump should
work
3019 [19:54:44] <prussian> or readelf assuming it's an elf
3020 [19:54:50] <maher> TRS-80: apt / dpkg checks the package
signatures
3021 [19:55:09] <TRS-80> maher aah of course
3022 [19:55:14] <prussian> readelf -d
3023 [19:55:18] <prussian> i think
3024 [19:55:18] <boinkboink> greycat: ty, i'll be back.
3025 [19:55:41] <TRS-80> maher I see, said the blind man to his
deaf son. XD
3026 [19:55:54] <TRS-80> so it's unnecessary
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3028 [19:56:40] <TRS-80> well you can cconnect to deb.debian.org
via https with no problem, just not security.debian.org, oddly
enough, which I did get a bit of a giggle out of
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3030 [19:57:55] <boinkboink> objdump reports: File format not
recognized Looks like this installer is some kind of shell script
with an embedded binary of some sort.
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3032 [19:58:18] <greycat> Did you not *read* the thing?
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3036 [19:59:02] <preview> hi all
3037 [19:59:26] <greycat> Is it the installer itself that fails,
or is it the thing-that-was-installed that fails when you actually
try to run it? Or is it some intermediate binary created during
installation?
3038 [19:59:39] <preview> I'm running out of space on my root
partition, and when examining the files I noticed I have a huge (1.6
gig) lib folder?
3039 [19:59:42] <preview> is that normal?
3040 [20:00:00] <greycat> Which lib directory exactly?
3041 [20:00:11] <jhutchins_wk> TRS-80: Encrypting the signed
binaries is a bit redundant and it places additional load on the
server, slowing performance for you and others.
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3044 [20:00:47] <boinkboink> greycat: libexpat.so libX11.so and
libXext.so
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3046 [20:01:14] <greycat> boinkboink: what about them?
3047 [20:01:27] <prussian> is it even an elf boinkboink
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3049 [20:01:32] <prussian> file your-bin
3050 [20:01:42] <greycat> I don't think he has even *found*
the binary yet.
3051 [20:01:47] <boinkboink> greycat: are the libraries
complaining about.
3052 [20:02:04] <greycat> I haven't seen a single filename or
pathname come out of him except some standard-looking shared library
symlink names.
3053 [20:02:06] <TRS-80> jhutchins_wk yes, this was a little more
along the lines of whatt I was trying to figure out. Thanks all for
helping me to piece it together. It makes sense now. Relatively new
to GNU/Linux, still trying to grok it completely.
3054 [20:02:11] <greycat> !exact > boinkboink
3055 [20:02:15] <greycat> grr
3056 [20:02:17] <greycat> !exact
3057 [20:02:17] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and
exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like
replaced-url
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3059 [20:02:26] <jhutchins_wk> Shell scripts with embedded
compressed files are a pretty common format for installers from
third-party projects.
3060 [20:02:46] <jmcnaught> preview: use "dpkg -S
/path/filename" to determine which packages these files came
from
3061 [20:03:08] <TRS-80> So I will go ahead and change all my
https sources back to http
3062 [20:03:14] <greycat> preview: which lib directory exactly?
3063 [20:03:26] <preview> @jmcnaught, none of the individual files
are large, it's just the folder as a whoel
3064 [20:03:28] <preview> whole
3065 [20:03:37] <preview> x86_64-linux-gnu/
3066 [20:03:41] <preview> @greycat
3067 [20:03:50] <jhutchins_wk> boinkboink: If this package
can't find essential libraries, you might reconsider whether
you want it messing with your system to begin with. I do hope
you've made a backup, who knows what it's going to do if
it succeeds in running.
3068 [20:04:04] <jmcnaught> preview: they're probably
supposed to be there and were installed by packages. Why only show
part of the path?
3069 [20:04:17] <greycat> preview: Do you mean
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ or something
else?
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3072 [20:05:02] <maher> does anyone use sa-learn for spamassassin?
I put some bayes tokens in /var/lib//spamassassin/.spamassassin/ but
when I receive mail the headers say tests=BAYES_00 - how do I tell
spamd to use the bayes tokens?
3073 [20:05:04] <jhutchins_wk> preview: Messing with that folder
directly is probably a Very Bad Idea.
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3076 [20:05:48] <jhutchins_wk> maher: Looks like it's using
the BAYES_00 test already.
3077 [20:06:17] <jhutchins_wk> maher: As I recall, the
documentation for enabling and managing tests is pretty clear.
3078 [20:06:19] <greycat> On my stretch amd64 system, with X but
not a DE, /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is ~21MB and
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is ~550MB
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3081 [20:06:42] <greycat> 545 MB if I use du -sh
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3083 [20:08:08] <preview> uh /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
3084 [20:08:15] <preview> is like 1.5 gig
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3087 [20:08:31] <greycat> OK, that's 3x the size of mine.
Maybe you have a whole bunch of DE and other fancy things installed
that I don't.
3088 [20:08:36] <jhutchins_wk> My /usr/lib/ is 1.4g
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3090 [20:08:55] <Logg> Mine's 3.6G somehow
3091 [20:08:58] <greycat> Or maybe there's a file that
doesn't belong. Or several old versions of libs that you are no
longer using. Or who knows.
3092 [20:09:01] <preview> I thought a fourteen gig partition
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3094 [20:09:15] <preview> would be enough for my root drive
3095 [20:09:38] <preview> can I increase the size of one partition
(ext4) dynamically?
3096 [20:09:54] <TRS-80> my /usr/lib is 2.2 GiB XD
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3098 [20:09:58] <Logg> gparted livecd would help
3099 [20:09:59] <TRS-80> inb4 KDE XD
3100 [20:10:00] <greycat> If it's inside an LVM, sure.
3101 [20:10:07] <boinkboink> greycat: sri got distracted pls see
replaced-url
3102 [20:10:12] <preview> yeah so boot into a live cd
3103 [20:10:19] <preview> but all the data on the drives will be
fine, right?
3104 [20:10:38] <greycat> boinkboink: Well *clearly* it's a
shell script because you explicily ran sh.
3105 [20:10:43] <jhutchins_wk> preview: Unless you make a mistake.
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3108 [20:10:58] <jmcnaught> preview: this is not something you
should attempt without a backup that you've tested you can
actually restore from
3109 [20:11:02] <prussian> preview: stop using ext4 and use btrfs
subvolumes which don't have fixed sizes by default
3110 [20:11:02] <boinkboink> greycat: okay
3111 [20:11:05] <prussian> there
3112 [20:11:08] <prussian> dynamic resizing
3113 [20:11:13] <greycat> boinkboink: Did you install the i386
versions of those libs? And the amd64 versions also? Did you READ
the shell script to see what it does? Did you try running it with sh
-x and logging the stderr to a file and reviewing it?
3114 [20:11:40] <boinkboink> greycat: i was unable to locate the
i386 version of those libs.
3115 [20:11:48] <greycat> ...
3116 [20:11:56] <greycat> THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT
IN THE FIRST PLACE
3117 [20:12:03] <alekz> lol
3118 [20:12:06] <Logg> such anger
3119 [20:12:16] <boinkboink> i did, pls read back
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3121 [20:12:34] <preview> whelp I guess I have to buy some new
storage
3122 [20:12:46] <kion> is there a way to join several pdf's
in the terminal, like maybe cat filex* >> final.pdf or
something like that?
3123 [20:12:57] <greycat> boinkboink: Start with libx11. You can
do "dpkg -l | grep libx11" to see what the regular version
is called. On stretch it's named "libx11-6". So you
would try installing libx11-6:i386
3124 [20:13:01] <greycat> And so on.
3125 [20:13:10] <TRS-80> Logg I know, right?
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3127 [20:13:38] <greycat> Use apt-cache search, use judd, use
packages.debian.org.
3128 [20:13:40] <boinkboink> greycat: yes I will. i'll be
back.
3129 [20:14:04] <maher> kion: pdftk *.pdf cat output new.pdf
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3132 [20:14:45] <greycat> 13:49 greycat> Install the i386
versions of those packages, if in fact this is an i386 binary on an
amd64 install.
3133 [20:14:51] <greycat> 13:51 boinkboink> greycat: thank you
I'll have a go!
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3142 [20:17:32] <kion> thanks maher, off to the man page i go!
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3145 [20:18:09] <boinkboink> it is in fact an i386 binary on an
x64 machine. apt-get install libz11-6:i386 reports: E: Unable to
locate package libz11-6:i386
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3147 [20:18:25] <greycat> Did you even *do* the multiarch setup
steps?
3148 [20:18:29] <boinkboink> oops libz<
3149 [20:18:34] <prussian> you you have i386 in your apt sources?
3150 [20:18:35] <greycat> and you typoed the x as z, yes
3151 [20:18:39] <greycat> prussian: no
3152 [20:18:50] <greycat> !multiarch
3153 [20:18:50] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
3154 [20:19:24] <boinkboink> greycat: good catch! :)
3155 [20:20:48] <boinkboink> prussian: yes
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3158 [20:21:51] <greycat> prussian: boinkboink: after doing the
multiarch setup step (dpkg --add-architecture), you DO NOT see
"i386" in sources.list.
3159 [20:21:59] <greycat> sources.list is not altered
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3162 [20:23:37] <boinkboink> greycat: i can confirm i do not.
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3165 [20:24:32] <greycat> Then why did you tell prussian that you
did?
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3167 [20:26:21] <jhutchins_wk> kion: PDF files have headers and
internal structures, I doubt concatenating them would work.
3168 [20:26:24] <boinkboink> greycat: i suppose i was not clear
that he meant "sources.list"
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3170 [20:26:48] <jhutchins_wk> kion: What you're _supposed_
to do is concatenate the original documents and re-convert.
3171 [20:27:20] <HDY> I am a debian noob how do we upgrade
"held back" packages?
3172 [20:27:27] <kion> jhutchins_wk, maher suggested pdftk, it
worked fantastic!
3173 [20:27:27] <greycat> !held back
3174 [20:27:27] <dpkg> from memory, kept back is when packages
have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available.
This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on
hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade"
and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To
investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>".
See also
replaced-url
3175 [20:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Many OCR programs will
process a PDF, and you could concatenate the resulting plain text.
3176 [20:27:56] <maher> when i run spamc -R I don't see the
BAYES rule - even though it shows up in the headers for the email -
does spamc just talk to spamd?
3177 [20:28:10] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Ah, didn't see that.
Great!
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3179 [20:28:22] <kion> jhutchins_wk, thanks anyways!
3180 [20:28:23] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Sometimes a PDF is just a
tiff image of a document.
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3183 [20:28:37] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Sometimes it's plain or
compressed text with markup.
3184 [20:28:39] <HDY> thx cat
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3188 [20:30:26] <greycat> If it's a single held-back package
during a regular apt-get upgrade, very often the right answer is
"apt-get install pkgname". E.g. firefox-esr just after 9.0
release.
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3195 [20:32:39] <HDY> i was upgrading to 9.0
3196 [20:32:50] <HDY> and it was the first time I saw it
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3199 [20:33:51] <greycat> During a release upgrade, you'd be
using dist-upgrade, and this shouldn't happen. Unless you had
third party sources or something that are in the way.
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3204 [20:35:23] <maher> ha! the bayes works!
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3208 [20:36:33] <boinkboink> greycat: I have MPLABX installed and
running now, thank you for your assistance.
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3210 [20:36:41] <Agiofws> Hi
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3212 [20:36:53] <maher> exp-innit: xpra is screen for X
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3220 [20:39:37] <Agiofws> greycat: hey I think I solved my problem
today
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3223 [20:40:22] <HDY> I use apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade is
my system done for?
3224 [20:40:32] <Agiofws> I was wondering what is the difference
of the live installer and the net install iso
3225 [20:40:42] <greycat> HDY: that's normal for the
jessie->stretch upgrade, as it says in the release notes.
3226 [20:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> HDY: That has been the recommended
process for several releases. Did you read the release notes and
upgrade instructions?
3227 [20:41:12] <greycat> Agiofws: the net inst works, and the
live installer does not. That's the major difference.
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3229 [20:41:38] <Agiofws> You it does not install?
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3231 [20:41:50] <Agiofws> Mean*
3232 [20:42:02] <greycat> Sometimes people manage to make it
install things, and then sometimes those things work, and sometimes
they do not.
3233 [20:42:09] <HDY> I looked at a random website from the
internet checked for 3rd party software - only 1 found - no held
back packages so I upgraded
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3235 [20:42:26] <edin00n> hi!! The Live version allows for booting
in Live mode, from which the installer can optionally be launched.
3236 [20:42:26] <Agiofws> Well this is what I did:
3237 [20:42:28] <HDY> and added the closest mirror to my sources
3238 [20:42:32] <HDY> kept a copy
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3244 [20:43:29] <greycat> edin00n: The Debian live installer has
some unfixed bugs in it. Serious ones.
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3246 [20:43:46] <Agiofws> I installed the live install onto a 4th
logical partition and and told the installer to install grub onto
the usb
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3252 [20:44:22] <Agiofws> But the USB did not boot to the linux
partition. It did not even boot to grub
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3255 [20:45:50] <Agiofws> I then booted with the live CD rescue
mode and somehow chrooted to the installation partition and did grub
install from there to the USB and it worked :)
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3258 [20:46:49] <greycat> Agiofws: "live install" is the
root of your original problem, then. Right?
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3267 [20:49:09] <Agiofws> Not even the net install installed grub
onto the usb
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3269 [20:49:36] <greycat> I'm fairly sure other people have
done it, so I don't know what went wrong in your case.
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3276 [20:50:31] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: By "the USB" you
mean the USB with the installer on it?
3277 [20:50:31] <Agiofws> But I think I'm going to install
the net install and do the same agAin just for intergrityr
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3279 [20:51:24] <Agiofws> No live installer was on CD as the net
install
3280 [20:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: Interesting, it _should_
have seen it as a valid target.
3281 [20:52:43] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: It would have defaulted to
the disk you installed -to-, but you should have been able to select
the USB.
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3284 [20:53:21] <Agiofws> I did
3285 [20:53:36] <Agiofws> Both times even three
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3326 [21:11:59] <amns> hey guys
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3328 [21:12:15] <amns> how can i make debian automatically bring
up eth1 and my bridge upon boot?
3329 [21:12:34] <amns> i already have "auto" in
/etc/networks/interfaces
3330 [21:13:07] <jmcnaught> amns: can you show that file on
replaced-url
3331 [21:13:27] <jhutchins_wk> !interfaces
3332 [21:13:27] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file
/etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for
documentation, "zless
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for
example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a
and ifdown -a respectively.
replaced-url
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3338 [21:18:00] <pie3> what is openvz
3339 [21:18:20] <jmcnaught> pie3:
replaced-url
3340 [21:18:53] <pie3> i cant understand it
3341 [21:19:08] <pie3> can you simpligy jmcnaught is it like
virtualbox?
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3343 [21:19:52] <jmcnaught> pie3: it's not really on-topic
for #debian, but yes it's like virtualbox in a very broad sense
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3349 [21:20:22] <amns> jmcnaught: jhutchins_wk :
replaced-url
3350 [21:20:39] <amns> this is a machine running Xen hypevisor
3351 [21:20:49] <amns> i created a network bridge
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3353 [21:21:02] <amns> but when i run ifup -a, it doesnt know what
xenbr0 is
3354 [21:21:05] <jmcnaught> amns: why use pastebin when i linked
to one with no ads and that doesn't randomly make us fill out
captchas?
3355 [21:21:08] <amns> how can i make my bridge persist reboots?
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3357 [21:21:32] <ninja007> Hi friends,
3358 [21:22:00] <amns> jmcnaught: oops. i had to go to the offline
computer to paste it. i manually types the URL. i though u just
wrote pastebin
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3360 [21:22:40] <amns> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
3361 [21:22:42] <jmcnaught> amns: why do you have auto eth1?
3362 [21:23:06] <ninja007> when I run debmirror, I got an bad key
issue last two days, before that everything is fine:
3363 [21:23:08] <ninja007> gpgv: Signature made Thu 20 Jul 2017
07:31:09 AM PDT using RSA key ID 46925553
3364 [21:23:09] <ninja007> [GNUPG:] BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian
Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy)
<ftpmaster@debian.org>
3365 [21:23:15] <amns> jmcnaught: eth1 is the physical interface.
it has to be bridged with xenbr0
3366 [21:23:29] <ninja007> file is
debian/dists/wheezy-proposed-updates/Release.gpg
3367 [21:23:49] <ninja007> Any one know if the upstream has signed
Release file with diff key?
3368 [21:23:56] <amns> in the end, xenbr0 will have an IP while
eth1 will not
3369 [21:24:01] <jmcnaught> amns: comment out the line for auto
eth1. I also suggest looking at "journalctl -u
networking.service"
3370 [21:24:03] <amns> it will be used as the bridge
3371 [21:24:14] <ninja007> hello friends,
3372 [21:24:29] <jmcnaught> amns: i'm familiar with how it
works. i have a bridge myself. i don't 'auto' the
interface, only the bridge
3373 [21:25:00] <amns> hmmm on my other comp[uter where bridge
works, i have autho for phy interface
3374 [21:25:04] <amns> auto*
3375 [21:25:11] <amns> ok ill try what u say
3376 [21:25:16] <amns> do i have to reboot?
3377 [21:25:29] <amns> or is there a faster command i can run to
reset and reinit networking?
3378 [21:25:33] <ninja007> hello?
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3381 [21:25:56] <prussian> what?
3382 [21:26:05] <prussian> why are you auto'ing the physical
interface
3383 [21:26:21] <amns> prussian: ok ive removed auto oh eth1
3384 [21:26:25] <amns> on*
3385 [21:26:28] <amns> how can i test this?
3386 [21:26:33] <jmcnaught> amns: you can test it with
"ifdown xenbr0 ; ifup xenbr0" but presumably you also want
to test that it works on boot so no surprises next reboot
3387 [21:26:44] <prussian> ifdown ifup
3388 [21:26:51] <prussian> assuming you're using ifup
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3391 [21:27:30] <amns> do i have to configure to use ifup
somewhere?
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3393 [21:28:08] <jmcnaught> the config file for ifupdown _is_ the
/etc/network/interfaces file
3394 [21:28:36] <amns> hmm ifup -a says cannot find xenbr0. i have
already configured xenbr0 a few boots ago. how can i make the bridge
persist?
3395 [21:29:07] <amns> cannot find device "xenbr0"
Failed to bring up xenbr0
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3397 [21:29:46] <prussian> do you have a bridge in your
interfaces?
3398 [21:29:55] <amns> i thought i did
3399 [21:29:57] <prussian> with a bridge_ports ?
3400 [21:30:13] <amns> it works when i manually run brctl add
xenbr0 and brctl addif xenbr0 eth1
3401 [21:30:18] <amns> but i need this to be automatic
3402 [21:31:23] <jhutchins_wk> amns: You should probably start
with the NetworkConfiguration file linked above, particularly the
parts about bridging.
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3404 [21:32:13] <amns> jhutchins_wk: i looked and it didnt have
anything about bridges..
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3406 [21:32:44] <David_Hedlund> Why was Debian refused to use the
package name "thunderbird" earlier (this was not a problem
in other distros AFAIK)?
3407 [21:32:46] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: this shows the problem
with a verifiable repository signature that aptitude rejects =>
replaced-url
3408 [21:32:48] <amns> i just need to make the bridges persist
reboots
3409 [21:33:22] <cybrNaut> when I verify the Release.gpg file
manually, no problem. But aptitude update cannot verify it
3410 [21:33:34] <jhutchins_wk> amns: The term "bridge"
occurs 28 times in the document.
3411 [21:33:39] <David_Hedlund> I know it was a trademark issue,
but still, it didn'
3412 [21:33:46] <David_Hedlund> didn't occur in other
distros.
3413 [21:34:10] <ElDiabolo> How do I create a package from what I
retrieved with apt.get source?
3414 [21:34:12] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Different distros
have different rules. They're different.
3415 [21:34:25] <Waxhead> Just like you mount a filesystem by
mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/abcdef01-2345.... I would like to open() a
usb device by NOT using /dev/ttyUSB0 but the device ID provided by
tools such as lsusb for example. Is there some way to do something
like open(/dev/usb/by-id/046d:c626 to get access to the same USB
device no matter where it shows up in the future?
3416 [21:34:42] <amns> hmm my
/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz doesnt...
3417 [21:34:52] <Scuttle> Waxhead: udev
3418 [21:35:24] <prussian> Waxhead: you'd have to create your
own udev rule
3419 [21:35:29] <Scuttle> Waxhead:
replaced-url
3420 [21:35:30] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins Ok, so how could DFSG
not permit this?
3421 [21:35:32] <Waxhead> Scuttle: Yeah , but I would like to
avoid writing rules etc... everything me and google have found so
far is a bit more complex that simply just using it.
3422 [21:35:43] <prussian> unless devtmpfs or udevadm does that by
default but I'm not aware
3423 [21:36:06] <prussian> ye udev rules suck
3424 [21:36:18] <prussian> I don't think I ever wrote one
that actually worked to be honest
3425 [21:36:40] <Waxhead> prussian: hehe alrighty. Thanks anyway
:)
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3427 [21:37:05] <Waxhead> prussian: ...udev e.g. the thanks goes
to udev...
3428 [21:37:05] <jhutchins_wk> amns: I suggested the
NetworkConfiguration URL.
3429 [21:37:17] <Waxhead> prussian: ....and now I feel like
sh*t... thanks you too :)
3430 [21:37:26] <prussian> sorry
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3433 [21:38:00] * Waxhead is slightly drunk on IRC again....
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3435 [21:38:48] <cybrNaut> Waxhead: we prefer if you're high
on mushrooms or LSD, then you can bring new insight
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3437 [21:39:19] <prussian> i jsut checked my rpi device
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3439 [21:39:28] <prussian> it looks like there is a
/dev/serial/by-whatever paths
3440 [21:39:48] <Waxhead> cybrNaut: hehe I'll keep that in
mind.
3441 [21:39:56] <Waxhead> prussian: it is? great... let me have a
look
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3444 [21:40:52] <TRS-80> David_Heedlund I think itt had something
to do with copyrighted artwork, or something... but I'm sure
you could find the answer with a little research?
3445 [21:40:55] <mutante> Waxhead: here's a cool IRC bot
feature, get a breathalyzer hooked up to USB port and then write a
script so users can !bac waxhead
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3447 [21:41:06] <Waxhead> prussian: you know... this MAY work for
me.... thanks a bunch.
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3450 [21:41:21] <TRS-80> typo that was for David_Hedlund ^
3451 [21:41:35] <ElDiabolo> All the docs I find are about
packaging from scratch. And simply running dh_make fails.
3452 [21:41:45] <Waxhead> mutante: based on what I am reading now
I think someone HAVE eaten mushrooms.
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3457 [21:42:01] <Waxhead> mutante: ....and possibly mutated
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3464 [21:43:01] <mutante> Waxhead: hehehe :)
3465 [21:43:05] <HDY> I compiled a kernel with bootup logo however
I did not saw my penguin?? What am I doing wrong
3466 [21:43:21] <David_Hedlund> TRS-80: Yeah, please read
replaced-url
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3468 [21:43:52] <TRS-80> David_Hedlund I actually did, a while
back, which was why I reemembered that. :)
3469 [21:44:06] <David_Hedlund> TRS-80: Heh.
3470 [21:44:11] <Waxhead> prussian: Thanks for the path... my
usb->serial bridge shows up there = I can use this!
3471 [21:44:13] <TRS-80> I had the same question, once upon a
time, and went a reading... :)
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3474 [21:45:11] <HDY> No body answered my question now I am
depressed after hours of compiling and lack of a penguin ;-;
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3476 [21:45:35] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: guess you're not
around.. i'm off for a while. will try to reach you later since
your answer will likely get pushed out of my buffer
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3481 [21:49:20] <amns> jhutchins_wk: i follwed that website. but
for some reason, my bridges dont persist reboot
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3485 [21:50:15] <jmcnaught> amns: did you look at "journalctl
-u networking"? did you make any changes to your
/etc/network/interfaces from before?
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3491 [21:53:48] <amns> jmcnaught: yea i made changes you guys
suggested
3492 [21:53:55] <amns> i commented auto eth1
3493 [21:54:23] <amns> journalctl shows "cannot find xenbr0.
failed to bring up netwokring"
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3499 [21:56:37] <amns> ok i just reconfigured the bridge
3500 [21:56:46] <amns> and was able to be online ping worked
3501 [21:56:56] <amns> ifdown -a worked
3502 [21:57:18] <amns> ifup -a said RTNETLINK answers: file exists
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3512 [22:06:32] <amns> damn, this is frustrating
3513 [22:06:41] <amns> i rebooted and only lo came up
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3515 [22:06:48] <amns> neither eth1 not xenbr0
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3517 [22:06:57] <amns> prolly because auto aeth1 is commented
3518 [22:07:00] <amns> eth1*
3519 [22:07:55] <jhutchins_wk> amns: I would not expect eth1 to
come up if it were not marked auto.
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3521 [22:08:18] <amns> i was told to comment out that line
3522 [22:08:23] <amns> anyhow, i have uncommented it
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3525 [22:09:04] <amns> jhutchins_wk: how can i save my bridge
across reboot?
3526 [22:09:22] <amns> ifup -a says it cannot find xenbr0
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3541 [22:14:40] <jmcnaught> amns: here is a sample
/etc/network/interfaces file that works for me. Note the lack of
"auto eth0", because eth0 is one of the bridge ports:
replaced-url
3542 [22:14:58] <amns> jmcnaught: thanks
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3548 [22:18:07] <amns> damn i had "bridge ports eth1"
instead of "bridge_ports eth1"
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3554 [22:20:17] <jhutchins_wk> Yay, one more down.
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3563 [22:22:10] <amns> thanks jhutchins_wk jmcnaught !
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3566 [22:23:30] <jhutchins_wk> amns: So working as expected now?
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3585 [22:32:19] <amns> guys, another question
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3587 [22:32:34] <amns> how can i make debian detect my windows
installation thats aon a seperate disk?
3588 [22:32:54] <JPT> In case you're using grub, make sure
os-prober is installed
3589 [22:32:56] <greycat> make sure os-prober is installed, and
rerun update-grub
3590 [22:33:19] <jhutchins_wk> amns: How do you want it detected?
What do you want debian to do with Windows?
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3592 [22:33:37] <amns> i want a grub entry in order to boot
windows
3593 [22:33:43] <amns> i dont wanna mount from debian
3594 [22:34:31] <greycat> Nobody said you had to mount it first.
3595 [22:35:21] <amns> yea but i mean i just wanna be able to boot
it from debian
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3599 [22:35:54] <jhutchins_wk> amns: Then update-grub is correct.
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3602 [22:36:23] <jhutchins_wk> amns: For some reason it often does
not configure Windows to be bootable on the first pass.
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3618 [22:41:15] <jhutchins_wk> Not sure if that's a bug or a
feature, I consider it the latter.
3619 [22:41:45] <greycat> I've seen this too, but I
don't have enough data points, and have never tried to
reproduce it.
3620 [22:41:56] <greycat> And these were jessie installs.
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3625 [22:43:54] <amns> ok guys, thanks for all your generosity
with your knowledge and time today
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3630 [22:47:16] <CoderEurope> Is there a link to Buster on the
debian wiki ?
3631 [22:47:53] <greycat> Why not ask the wiki?
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3633 [22:48:42] <CoderEurope> cheers greycat
replaced-url
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3671 [23:06:32] <armin> [armin@styx:~] sudo systemctl edit
getty@tty1.service
3672 [23:06:33] <armin> Editing
"/etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/override.conf"
canceled: temporary file is empty.
3673 [23:06:34] <armin> [armin@styx:~]
3674 [23:06:37] <armin> any hint what i'm missing?
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3676 [23:06:46] <armin> e.g. why is the temporary file here empty?
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3679 [23:07:10] <greycat> I would guess you somehow failed to save
the file before you exited your editor.
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3682 [23:07:39] <armin> greycat: i completed the edit command with
bash-completion actually, hence i'm a bit confused i get an
empty file to edit in the editor there.
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3684 [23:08:22] <greycat> I'm not sure what you did inside
the editor, nor what you are trying to achieve.
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3686 [23:08:49] <greycat> Do note that if you want your
modifications to apply to ALL of the gettys, you won't want to
have tty1 in the name.
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3689 [23:09:19] <ninja007> is upstream
wheezy-proposed-updates/Release file correupted? I got BADSIG for
this archive,
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3692 [23:09:52] <ar404> hi
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3694 [23:09:54] <armin> greycat: ok the problem is my lack of
understanding. you won't get some kind of template file there
and will have to start with an empty file by concept. my way of
thinking was just broken here i think.
3695 [23:09:55] <ninja007> Any one can help confirm the issue,
like to know whether is my side issue or upstream.
3696 [23:10:05] <mutante> expired because wheezy is old?
3697 [23:10:07] <ar404> hay
3698 [23:10:24] <ninja007> @mutante, I have all the keys,
3699 [23:10:26] <ar404> maybe someone can help me please?
3700 [23:10:29] <ninja007> expired or in service.
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3702 [23:10:38] <greycat> armin: getty@tty1.service is not the
place where the gettys are defined, so there is nothing specifically
for tty1 by default
3703 [23:11:01] <greycat> armin: what are you trying to do?
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3705 [23:11:04] <ninja007> @mutante, the errors are: gpgv:
Signature made Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:31:09 AM PDT using RSA key ID
46925553
3706 [23:11:05] <ninja007> [GNUPG:] BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian
Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy)
<ftpmaster@debian.org>
3707 [23:11:06] <ninja007> gpgv: BAD signature from "Debian
Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy)
<ftpmaster@debian.org>"
3708 [23:11:08] <ar404> how to setting default os on parrot os?
3709 [23:11:16] <greycat> !parrot
3710 [23:11:16] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
3711 [23:11:19] <armin> greycat: trying to learn how systemd
overrides work.
3712 [23:11:27] <ninja007> I would say, the upstream may have
mismatch between Release and Release.gpg
3713 [23:11:38] <greycat> armin: then this is not the place to
start, because getty@ is a wildcard thingy that is more complex than
the regular stuff
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3715 [23:11:52] <ninja007>
replaced-url
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3718 [23:12:21] <ninja007> It will be great if someone can
duplicate and I’d like to see whether I am the only one
victim.
3719 [23:12:22] <armin> greycat: i also tried with "ssh"
and "sshd" and also get to start with an empty file there.
i think you just have to come up with something from scratch by
design when starting to write an override file for any of the
completeable things there.
3720 [23:12:23] <ninja007> :)
3721 [23:12:33] <greycat> ninja007: "upstream" refers to
places like apache.org where the orig.tar.gz files come from, not
the Debian package mirrors.
3722 [23:12:51] <ninja007> @greycat, sorry, the Debian
‘upstream’ :)
3723 [23:13:06] <ninja007> the Debian package mirrors —
3724 [23:13:09] <armin> greycat: i was thinking there should be
something when i completed something on the commandline with the
tab-key, which is probably deception by having gotten used to
something.
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3726 [23:14:03] <ninja007> the duplication is pretty straight,
wget
replaced-url
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3728 [23:14:26] <greycat> armin: maybe it's a bug, I have no
idea. I've never used systemctl edit.
3729 [23:14:53] <armin> greycat: will try on different systems.
thanks a lot for your kind help!
3730 [23:15:01] <jmcnaught> armin: systemd isn't like sudo
that requires visudo to edit its configs. You can just edit
/etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/bar.conf like any normal file.
systemctl edit is just a convenience wrapper.
3731 [23:15:08] <greycat> armin: ah, the man page suggests that
you wanted --full
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3733 [23:15:29] <ninja007> @greycat and all, It’s a pain in
the neck is the Debian Archives have issues
3734 [23:15:32] <armin> greycat: superb. that's what i was
after. thank you.
3735 [23:16:32] <armin> yeah, sudo systemctl edit --full ssh does
exactly what i expected.
3736 [23:16:54] <armin> wow. that's one of the few features
that are really awesome.
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3739 [23:18:20] <greycat> "full" edits (where you copy
an entire unit file and make tweaks) should not be a common thing
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3742 [23:18:45] <jmcnaught> armin: were you getting that error
from trying to save an empty file?
3743 [23:18:46] <greycat> Most of the time, you want to create a
drop-in override which only has a couple lines, so the default
settings can be updated correctly at the next release.
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3745 [23:18:56] <prussian> systemd-delta is also useful if you use
edit a lot
3746 [23:19:04] <n4dir> jmcnaught: is it required to use visudo or
recommended? I recall it to be recommended.
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3748 [23:19:13] <prussian> keeps your diffs sane, lets you know
what you're overwriting
3749 [23:19:38] <jmcnaught> n4dir: it's "follow the
instructions"
3750 [23:19:56] <n4dir> i count that as a recommend, not as an
requirement.
3751 [23:20:04] <armin> jmcnaught: that happens when you call
systemctl edit <something> without the "--full"
switch. you get an empty file then to start with for writing your
overrides. if then you just ":q!" you'll get that
message.
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3753 [23:20:56] <prussian> n4dir: it's recommended unless you
can easily switch user to root or boot in rescue/single user mode.
then do whatever you want
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3755 [23:21:09] <armin> jmcnaught: that behaviour is called
"editing drop-in files" in the man page and greycat
thankfully pointed me to it.
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3757 [23:21:28] <jmcnaught> armin: sound correct to me. why would
it make an empty file? When you do that without --full, and you
_actually_type_something_ then it will override the directives in
the unit in /lib/systemd
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3760 [23:23:35] <n4dir> prussian: i am wondering how a screwed
visudo file should make you need to boot into rescue mode, but
whatever.
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3762 [23:24:08] <thund3rb1rd> Hi
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3764 [23:24:36] <thund3rb1rd> How do I login to my windows machine
3765 [23:24:54] <prussian> remotely? I don't know, WinRM?
3766 [23:25:15] <thund3rb1rd> what are in general the credentials
3767 [23:25:20] <prussian> probably some kerberos involved as
well. easy enough ot get krb5 working
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3770 [23:28:12] <prussian> what?
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3779 [23:34:18] <jmcnaught> n4dir: if sudo is broken and no root
password is set, then you need a rescue
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#offsec
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3790 [23:39:01] <n4dir> assuming you use sudo instead of su, not
as a tool for certain commands.
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3799 [23:44:55] <Bliepo> Question: I need a newer version of a
certain package, which is not available in backports. I was thinking
of compiling from source, but don't know whether this is a good
idea..
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3801 [23:46:38] <Bliepo> So what would be the best way to go
around it?
3802 [23:47:07] <n4dir> !dpkg ssb
3803 [23:47:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
3804 [23:47:14] <n4dir> Bliepo: try that
3805 [23:47:30] <Bliepo> Will do! Thanks!
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