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• 17[00:11:10] <rotaticus> qmr: reniced can renice any proces iirc but there is for sure a setting for that
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• 22[00:17:38] <_ssl> I need to partition and format some disks and google tells me that "partman" seems to be a good choice there, but I can't find a package to install that. any ideas?
• 23[00:18:36] <bezaban> _ssl: fdisk works
• 24[00:19:04] <bezaban> _ssl: do you want to do lvm? are these just extra drives? what filesystems?
• 25[00:19:32] <bezaban> well fdisk works for the partitioning, mkfs for the fs
• 26[00:20:13] <_ssl> yes, some extra, external drives. I'd like to have partintioning and formatting as simple as possible
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• 28[00:20:28] <_ssl> does that mean there is no package for partman?
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• 30[00:20:52] <rotaticus> _ssl: gparted perhaps
• 31[00:21:00] <_ssl> regarding filesystem: that would be my next question
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• 33[00:22:12] <_ssl> oh and I forgot to mention I'm working on a device similar to a raspberry pi (meaning textmode ssh only and low performance cpu)
• 34[00:22:43] <mete> parted is your friend in console ;)
• 35[00:22:47] <_ssl> any suggestions for a FS to chose to optimize performance?
• 36[00:23:04] <mete> what does performance means for you?
• 37[00:23:53] <mete> you can use ext3/4 with some special tweaks like noatime... you can also disable yournaling (then it's formerly a ext2) to improve performance...
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• 40[00:24:48] <_ssl> yes those sound good. I was also thinking about increasing the block size, because it'll mainly host few huge files
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• 42[00:25:36] <mete> maybe #raspbian or #raspberrypi is better for such questions
• 43[00:25:38] <mete> idk
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• 47[00:26:42] <mete> I think there is somewhere also a german channel of you're a german speaking person
• 48[00:26:52] <rotaticus> _ssl: #armbian is nice too
• 49[00:27:13] <_ssl> I happen to be a german speaking person, yes
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• 52[00:28:03] <rotaticus> und jetzt? die meisten deutschen channel enden mit .de
• 53[00:28:07] <mete> cool _ssl, I also. but I'm not in any german channel, but I read somewhere that there are some germand channels :D
• 54[00:28:21] <_ssl> but coming back to partman for a second: how can I install that? It seems to be the one-stop solution for partitioning, formatting and updating my fstab
• 55[00:28:24] <mete> nah rotaticus, sei doch nicht so herablassend ;)
• 56[00:28:35] <buu> I'm on debian unstable, for reasons out of my control, I need access to svn using openssl1.0 instead of the 1.1 that you get by default. Is there any sane way to make this happen?
• 57[00:28:53] <rotaticus> _ssl: mete: tschuldigung
• 58[00:29:02] <mete> _ssl: why not simply create a partition using parted, create a FS using mkfs.whatever and hen updating fstab manually using uuid?
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• 60[00:29:13] <mete> rotaticus :D
• 61[00:29:41] <mete> parted is the way to go in my opinion
• 62[00:29:47] <_ssl> mete because I'd like an easy solution because I don't know linunx very well
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• 64[00:30:16] <_ssl> (don't even know how to spell it)
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• 67[00:32:46] <rotaticus> _ssl: if you run a rasberry than t[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cake that for experiments ... make backups now and than
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• 70[00:33:22] <rotaticus> sry bad system lag on my bananapi
• 71[00:33:33] <buu> How does debian even decide which lib a binary is linked to?
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• 74[00:36:46] <bezaban> buu: ld
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• 76[00:37:11] <bezaban> some are statically 'linked' though
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• 80[00:38:20] <mete> _ssl: so I can't help, sorry
• 81[00:38:36] <bezaban> ,v partman
• 82[00:38:37] <judd> No package named 'partman' was found in amd64.
• 83[00:39:02] <_ssl> yes that's exactly the issue ;)
• 84[00:39:24] <bezaban> _ssl: what can't you do without it?
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• 87[00:40:03] <_ssl> nothing, I just wanted an easy solution without doing every step with a different tool
• 88[00:40:08] <_ssl> I'm looking into mkfs.ext4 options now
• 89[00:40:15] <alyssa> Any tips regarding checkinstall to avoid broken packages if there are dependencies / dependents?
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• 91[00:40:24] <_ssl> then I need to learn how to set the fstab
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• 94[00:40:52] <mete> it's not like windows :D
• 95[00:40:56] <mete> sorry
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• 98[00:43:02] <buu> bezaban: I need some clever way to convince svn to use libssl1.0
• 99[00:43:16] <rotaticus> _ssl: man fstab
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• 101[00:44:38] <_ssl> yes I'm reading that already thanks
• 102[00:44:40] <mete> and don't use the device name, use the uuid. blkid is your friend ;)
• 103[00:44:53] <_ssl> ok, good tip
• 104[00:45:01] <bezaban> buu: svn is just version control software? Why would it have any idea of versions?
• 105[00:45:11] <bezaban> package versions
• 106[00:47:00] <buu> bezaban: what?
• 107[00:47:03] <nvz> alyssa: are you talking 3rd party deps you satisfied?
• 108[00:47:05] <buu> I mean the literal binary named svn
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• 110[00:47:09] <buu> which is linked against libssl1.1
• 111[00:47:22] <alyssa> nvz: I guess
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• 114[00:48:11] <josh-debian-test> Cannot get grub to launch. Fresh install, can boot system using chainloader and external USB with grub. Listing is active in efibootmgr
• 115[00:48:12] <alyssa> I have a few packages where I installed them from the Debian repos (and their -dev counterparts) and later decided to build from the source... so then I dpkg --remove the original binary and checkinstall the new one... and all hell breaks loose :)
• 116[00:48:50] <nvz> alyssa: why were you building from source for newer versions?
• 117[00:49:24] <alyssa> so I could switch to the bleeding edge version for development
• 118[00:49:38] <alyssa> (Maybe that's a sign I've outgrown Debian :P)
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• 120[00:49:54] <nvz> alyssa: and you then wanted to package them to distribute to other systems?
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• 122[00:50:14] <alyssa> no, just for my local system.
• 123[00:50:31] <alyssa> It's my understanding that you're not supposed to `sudo make install` since then Debian doesn't know about it
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• 125[00:51:08] <nvz> alyssa: see normally if you're only having a build env for something you make a chroot and keep all the build deps current in the chroot so it doesnt effect your system and you can easily back it up or move it if need be.. you dont need to package it
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• 127[00:51:41] <alyssa> hm ok
• 128[00:51:41] <nvz> alyssa: when using checkinstall though you have to specify on the checkinstall commandline what the build deps are.. the command gets really big and ugly if you do it right
• 129[00:52:16] <nvz> alyssa: however if sid has a new enough version for your purposes following a simple sid backport proceedure may also be what you want
• 130[00:52:28] <alyssa> (It doesn't, I don't think)
• 131[00:52:42] <nvz> well if you get more specifc we can check
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• 133[00:53:03] <alyssa> I'm being purposefully vague because there's a number of packages I'm interested in tinkering with
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• 137[00:55:00] <nvz> alyssa: well all I can gather from what you've said is that you're doing things in ways that will break things. I'd look into the simple sid backport, and always try that first if applicable, then I'd consider if you're doing development on something putting it in a chroot and setting up all the specific build deps, and when it comes to using checkinstall you need to read the manual carefully and specify just
• 138[00:55:06] <nvz> about every option in there on the command line to set the deps, maintainer, package version, etc.
• 139[00:55:17] <makeway> Hey, I'm installing Debian on a new system with with a net install iso on a flash drive and I'm not exactly sure how to get the wifi card to work so I can connect to my router and install... How would I go about that? Do I need the drivers of the wifi card or will the installer be able to work with it anyway?
• 140[00:55:19] <alyssa> hm ok
• 141[00:55:25] <nvz> dpkg tell alyssa about ssb
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• 143[00:55:28] <alyssa> nvz: thank you for your help :-)
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• 149[00:57:01] <nvz> alyssa: no problem, just keep in mind checkinstall isnt going to magically debianize source the way an experienced maintainer can especially if you dont provide it with all the details of the package. doing SSB allows you to use already debianized source to build the newer version against your current libs/deps
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• 153[00:59:06] * alyssa nods
• 154[00:59:39] <nvz> makeway: what kind of wifi? netinst isnt really designed for that at least the last time I used the installer you still had to manually add the non-free firmware for that to work. Mind you I havent done an install in ages.. I've just been upgrading
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• 156[01:00:19] <nvz> makeway: basically what I am saying is the kernel will have the driver, but if the card uses non-free firmware thats going to be the issue
• 157[01:00:51] <nvz> and again last I checked adding firmware to the installer was in the install guide
• 158[01:00:53] <makeway> Alright, I guess I'll just full-install from the machine itself
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• 167[01:05:12] <josh-debian-test> Cannot get grub to launch. Fresh install, can boot system using chainloader and external USB with grub. Listing is active in efibootmgr
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• 172[01:08:25] <nvz> josh-debian-test: consider me your elevator music telling you your estimated wait time may be awhile cause its friday night and nobody has really been active in awhile. I only know about EFI in theory so I can't really help with that :-/
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• 182[01:11:56] <josh-debian-test> nvz: :/ It's saturday morning here in oz . Usually mornings are the best time for tech support
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• 186[01:14:09] <nvz> josh-debian-test: ah.. I'm a bit behind the times I wouldnt even know where to begin if the EFI is the problem most the regulars been quiet for the last few hours. You could try on oftc as well
• 187[01:14:43] <buu> so
• 188[01:15:06] <buu> What happens if I use LD_PRELOAD=libfoo1.0 when ldd shows it wants libfoo1.1 ?
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• 192[01:16:34] <nvz> buu: your line of questions may be better answered in some sort of development channel as they're not really debian specific anyhow and nobody is really looking in at the moment here
• 193[01:17:00] <josh-debian-test> nvz: I mean it's not urgent, I've kept this machine up for a few months and booting is only a minor inconvinience (until I lose my flash drive)
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• 198[01:17:53] <josh-debian-test> nvz: Cheers, I forgot oftc was the more active debian channel
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• 200[01:18:06] <buu> nvz: Yeah I know, but there's not a terribly specific channel that I know of
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• 202[01:18:21] <nvz> josh-debian-test: well this is the larger and older support channel, but there is always oftc which has been the "official" for many years
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• 204[01:19:02] <nvz> buu: well considering your questions have been about C type stuff maybe ##c or #debian-dev or something
• 205[01:19:36] <nvz> buu: also its fairly general linux stuff ##linux may even be of help
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• 215[01:22:49] <Bearcat> folks, i've done something stupid and mangled my /etc/php/7.0/fpm/php.ini file and the back up i have is no good. I've been reading that i can restore the file if i delete it and run sudo apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install php7.0-fpm When i do that i get "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php/7.0/fpm/php.ini
• 216[01:22:55] <Bearcat> what am i doing wrong?
• 217[01:23:04] <Bearcat> (i'm experiance in Gentoo, not debian so much)
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• 222[01:24:59] <nvz> Bearcat: /msg dpkg confmiss
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• 224[01:25:27] <nvz> Bearcat: see related factoids as well
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• 228[01:28:48] <nvz> Bearcat: you may have to purge and reinstall though
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• 236[01:30:18] <Bearcat> thanks nvz. If this fails i'll just extract from the deb files themselves
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• 242[01:31:43] <nvz> Bearcat: yes that doesn't always work either though as sometimes config files are auto generated.
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• 247[01:34:01] <Bearcat> nvz: i still get the same response.
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• 249[01:34:27] <nvz> Bearcat: did you try the ucf confmiss, or the purge and reinstall?
• 250[01:34:45] <Bearcat> i did not. i'll try the ucf one.
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• 253[01:35:19] <Bearcat> i don't understand this package manager yet. I wish i had installed gentoo on this cloud but i didn't want to be paying for all that time compiling :")
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• 255[01:35:31] <nvz> idk how dated those factois are but I've had these sorts of issues before and had to purge before it'd work.. problem with that is purging will delete all your configs for that package
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• 257[01:36:20] <nvz> Bearcat: yes thats one nice part about debian its got stable binary packages with sane defaults.. then you just configure or recompile only as needed
• 258[01:36:29] <buu> Bearcat: if you run apt source php7.0-fpm you should get a dir containing all the files, then just run find -name php.ini
• 259[01:36:45] <buu> It's a little wonky but...
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• 261[01:37:16] <nvz> the deb is just an ar archive, you can open it up.. but thats assuming the php.ini file isn't auto generated by a script or something
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• 264[01:38:57] <cheetahw26> if I have a user that is the member of the root group, can that user change the root password somehow?
• 265[01:39:11] <cheetahw26> no sudo installed...
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• 267[01:39:45] <Bearcat> thank buu. The other commands don't seem to be working, so i'll try that
• 268[01:41:53] <Plasticbox> i use sudo su but I was told not to
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• 270[01:42:12] <cheetahw26> there is no sudo, so I can't do sudo su -
• 271[01:42:20] <Plasticbox> I se
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• 273[01:42:32] <coruja> 'apt-file list php7.0-fpm | grep php.ini' returns nothing
• 274[01:42:39] <nvz> cheetahw26: there are only two ways to change a users passwd and thats either manually by editing /etc/shadow which is -rw-r----- root:shadow so a root group user wont have permission or by using passwd, and passwd will always require you to provide the current password unless you are actually root, and it wont let you view or modify root's password at all
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• 278[01:43:04] <nvz> cheetahw26: are you TRYING to change the root password?
• 279[01:43:18] <cheetahw26> yeah, err... trying to admin the system
• 280[01:43:28] <nvz> cheetahw26: and you have local access to it?
• 281[01:43:38] <cheetahw26> I'm old admin on this box... and customer has an issue... his new admin isn't available so he reached out to me
• 282[01:43:59] <cheetahw26> my local account still has access and I'm member of root group...
• 283[01:44:02] <cheetahw26> connecting via SSH
• 284[01:44:54] <nvz> cheetahw26: so you don't have direct access to the machine, its somewhere else? Then no, you're not getting root access short of discovering some vulnerability
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• 286[01:45:21] <cheetahw26> physically, I don't know where it is... think it's a hosted VPS
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• 288[01:45:44] <cheetahw26> ok, thanks... I'll just tell him I need the root pass to continue and sorry I couldn't help further
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• 290[01:46:48] <nvz> cheetahw26: I thought you were giving someone access to root group for some reason and asking could that allow a user to change the password.. and the answer is no. Only way to change the root password is to have access to the root user or to have access to the machine and boot it with an init=/bin/sh or something
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• 292[01:47:23] <Plasticbox> have you tried sudo passwd root
• 293[01:47:29] <cheetahw26> sudo is not installed
• 294[01:47:35] <cheetahw26> :)
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• 296[01:47:41] <nvz> cheetahw26: you can double check permissions on /etc/shadow to make sure.. but thats the file you'd need write access to
• 297[01:48:00] <nvz> by default its readable by group shadow, and writable only by user root
• 298[01:48:03] <cheetahw26> only read only for group on shadow
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• 301[01:48:46] <Plasticbox> what version are you dealing with?
• 302[01:50:23] <nvz> /usr/bin/passwd is sticky which allows it to write /etc/shadow, but its designed to only let a user modify its own passwd and only if they know the current pw. root can modify any password without current passwd
• 303[01:50:55] <Plasticbox> Right,It seems impossible unless it was configured on purpose
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• 306[01:51:57] <nvz> yep, you'd need direct access to the machine to boot it bypassing init and any login, to change the root password or you'd need to find a priv escelation vulnerability in the kernel
• 307[01:52:14] <Plasticbox> is there a way to back trace the change in root or sudo possibly neither on install
• 308[01:52:49] <Plasticbox> the was a bug in one of the installers
• 309[01:53:11] <nvz> Plasticbox: what are you talking about/
• 310[01:53:39] <Plasticbox> granting sudo or root priv
• 311[01:53:56] <nvz> yes.. what about it?
• 312[01:54:06] <Plasticbox> on a system that has neither
• 313[01:54:23] <nvz> Plasticbox: are you still talking about what cheetahw26 was saying?
• 314[01:54:28] <Bearcat> whoo! fixed it. Thanks folks!
• 315[01:54:48] <Plasticbox> nvz yes
• 316[01:55:15] <cheetahw26> sudo was never and has never been install on this debian box
• 317[01:55:21] <nvz> Plasticbox: he's dealing with a remote server.. that he doesnt have the password to.. he just has an ssh key that lets him login as normal user, its not a bug, its called he doesnt have permission to be root
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• 321[01:55:46] <Plasticbox> okay I see
• 322[01:57:21] <nvz> if in fact it was a VPS the customer could contact them and have them change the password probably.. but who knows
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• 325[01:58:06] <cheetahw26> ahh, actually customer just replied and said that the host changed the root password and won't tell him or change it again
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• 327[01:58:18] <cheetahw26> not sure if that's true, customer isn't so technical...
• 328[01:58:27] <cheetahw26> I told him to tell them to install sudo and add me
• 329[01:58:51] <nvz> cheetahw26: yeah.. well you can't really make money selling a VPS and not allowing people to use it.. heh..
• 330[01:59:42] <cheetahw26> my guess is they sold him managed services or something, but I have no idea
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• 332[02:00:15] <cheetahw26> it's also possible that they are supposed to be fixing his issue, but can't figure it out... maybe they are the new admin?
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• 334[02:01:11] <Plasticbox> right who's getting paid?
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• 336[02:01:30] <nvz> if you are asking me what the chances are the sysadmin is stupid, I refer you to the Basic Laws Of Human Stupidity
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• 338[02:02:01] <cheetahw26> not sure... customer paid me ahead of time for my time, so I'm doing my best
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• 345[02:05:33] <Plasticbox> You are caught between a rock and a hard place.
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• 347[02:06:17] <Plasticbox> the answer is remove a arm or a leg you chose.
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• 349[02:07:32] <Plasticbox> typos suck
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• 351[02:08:21] <Plasticbox> Not having control of the hardware in the first place can be frustrating
• 352[02:08:25] <nvz> Plasticbox: you need to visit #debian-offtopic or perhaps ##nvz :P
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• 354[02:08:40] <Plasticbox> ok thanks
• 355[02:11:15] <nvz> I wanted to create a new social channel called ##cheers but someone registered it years ago and staff gives me the run around about gaining control of it
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• 358[02:12:37] <nvz> the user hasn't been online in over a year and the channel has been inactive for over 6 years
• 359[02:13:12] <Plasticbox> try unicorns and rainbows
• 360[02:13:33] <nvz> so I just registered ##nvz for anyone who really needs to blah.. cause I'm usually up for it
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• 363[02:13:57] <Plasticbox> I see thanks
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• 365[02:14:17] <Plasticbox> what is nvz
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• 367[02:14:33] <nvz> I just registered it a few minutes ago.. I created it a few hours ago cause I got tired of arguing with staff about a damn unused channel
• 368[02:14:59] <Plasticbox> Right, been there
• 369[02:15:09] <Plasticbox> like 25 years ago
• 370[02:15:17] <Plasticbox> yawn
• 371[02:15:21] <nvz> a drifter I met once called me Nandrew Van Zant was his nickname for me, and I used that on here because I like the idea of short nicks
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• 373[02:15:32] <Plasticbox> ah cool
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• 377[02:16:37] <nvz> johnkeates: heh
• 378[02:16:40] <johnkeates> hehe
• 379[02:17:06] <nvz> every man likes a piece of ass, no man likes a smartass
• 380[02:17:13] <johnkeates> anyone used ocfs2 on debian recently?
• 381[02:17:20] * johnkeates has a smart piece of ass
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• 383[02:18:08] <nvz> well thats good too I suppose.
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• 552[03:41:15] <Logg> Why is a "jessie-backports-sloppy" necessary? are the packages allowed into that repository actually packaged with less care than those in jessie-backports?
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• 554[03:42:23] <annadane> Logg, the "sloppy" refers to release cycles
• 555[03:42:37] <annadane> sloppy means 2 release cycles ahead
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• 558[03:43:18] <annadane> so jessie-backports-sloppy would be packages backported from buster and sid
• 559[03:43:27] <Logg> I guess there might be a case where someone wants the version of the package that was released only 1 release cycle ahead, and not the absolute latest...
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• 564[03:46:23] <neo_> hi people, i update stretch and network started to be very unstable ... it disconnect continuously and don't reconnect automatically, while is not connected I can not even see the available nets ... so, where can I start with a diagnostic ? thx a lot
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• 569[03:50:20] <jmcnaught> neo_: it's a wireless network? How do you configure networking on your computer, with NetworkManager?
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• 571[03:51:24] <neo_> <jmcnaught> : sorry, i didnt give this information ...
• 572[03:51:43] <neo_> I am talking about my wireless
• 573[03:52:09] <neo_> and I use network-manager
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• 576[03:53:02] <jmcnaught> neo_: 'journalctl -u NetworkManager -b' will show you log entries from NM
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• 581[03:53:36] <jmcnaught> if put the output from that command on replaced-url
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• 590[03:58:08] <Logg> Does anyone have a link to explain what the process is for fixing grave bugs that render packages unusable in stable debian? youtube-dl has been broken for a few days thanks to 3rd party interference over at google, This page says version "2017.08.27.1" is in the "watch" column, but I don't really know what that means replaced-url
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• 596[04:05:32] <johnkeates> i think you have to check in with debian-maint on otfc
• 597[04:05:37] <johnkeates> oftc
• 598[04:05:41] <neo_> using journalctl -u NetworkManager -b I get some warns
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• 600[04:07:28] <neo_> for instance
• 601[04:07:32] <neo_> NetworkManager[30894]: <warn> [1504317456.9102] interfaces file /etc/network/interfaces.d/* doesn't exist
• 602[04:07:33] <neo_> NetworkManager[30894]: <warn> [1504317508.0476] dhcp6 (wlp2s0): request timed out
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• 606[04:09:27] <annadane> neo_, for future reference use paste.debian.net for more than 2 lines
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• 610[04:11:47] <petemc> Logg: youtube-dl will break, such is life. what are your expectations?
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• 613[04:12:39] <neo_> <annadane>: ok
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• 618[04:14:17] <Logg> I don't expect anything, I'm okay, just curious about how debian handles suddenly broken packages petemc
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• 620[04:15:00] <Logg> Since it's more conservative in allowing only the finest bug free packages into its repositories
• 621[04:15:15] <Logg> BugFree TM
• 622[04:16:05] <neo_> it seems that "sup-iface[0x56127183f940,wlp2s0]: connection disconnected (reason -4)" could be the reason why I am getting disconnection, but I don't know what it means and why it happens ... some clues ?
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• 627[04:19:18] <anonimo2772> :o
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• 631[04:22:05] <themill> Logg: the bug is already known (#873853) and it is likely to get fixed in the next point release assuming everything else with the fix goes to plan
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• 636[04:26:33] <Logg> themill: OK that sounds right.
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• 744[05:44:17] <frankie__> can i add a new fat32 partition on a usb stick after i've written the debian iso installation image on it?
• 745[05:44:38] <petemc> at the end maybe
• 746[05:44:42] <xuumno> should be able to on free space
• 747[05:44:57] <frankie__> yeah there are free spaces
• 748[05:45:10] <frankie__> but the first 2 partitions seems to overlapped with each other
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• 750[05:46:47] <xuumno> try it
• 751[05:47:04] <xuumno> if not just wipe usb, then make partitions, then add iso
• 752[05:47:22] <petemc> suck it and see
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• 754[05:48:03] <frankie__> but the image itself should be written on the usb itself not on partition right?
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• 761[05:48:46] <zq> hi
• 762[05:48:58] <zq> possible to remap a key only on the external keyboard?
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• 765[05:49:32] <frankie__> the installation documentation(4.3.1) seems to skip some details on this..i wonder if 4.3.3 is the complement for it
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• 767[05:49:43] <xuumno> it will be written on one partition
• 768[05:49:48] <AndroUser> Hello
• 769[05:49:49] <xuumno> idk how u understnding that lol
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• 771[05:50:10] <xuumno> both of the partitions will be on the usb
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• 773[05:50:45] <petemc> xuumno: writing an image to a device as per the install guide will wipe the device
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• 776[05:51:57] <xuumno> ok
• 777[05:52:00] <xuumno> sure
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• 779[05:52:21] <frankie__> xuumno, i'll try somethin' up first, if it doesn't work i'll come back ;-)
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• 781[05:53:27] <petemc> xuumno: sorry, that was meant for frankie__
• 782[05:54:31] <petemc> crazy, try to fuck with installer partitions frankie__
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• 785[05:57:03] <frankie__> petemc, i was trying to make use the unallocated space to store non-free firmware but to no avail..4.3.1 instructs to create a new fat32 partition n use it for that purpose but so far i haven't got it to work..yet
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• 788[05:58:08] <tw> isn't there an (unofficial) installer image with non-free firmware already on it?
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• 790[05:59:25] <frankie__> tw, there is..but i'm just messing around instead..see how i can make things work X-)
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• 819[06:14:14] <asdfghjik> on a fde install of debian are the root file system encrypted ? and if so where does the all the data up to and before me entering my key to decrypt get stored ?
• 820[06:15:46] <robbt> I have a odd problem with a recent debian install. I plugged in a VGA monitor through a DVI adapter and now it freezes Gnome where the mouse still responds but I can't click on anything or exit with CTRL-ALT-F2 etc. It is working fine with the HDMI port. This is a Noveau driver driven Nvidia card.
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• 824[06:16:56] <tw> asdfghjik: /boot
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• 826[06:17:09] <robbt> I didn't see anything overly weird in Xorg.log, and so I'm just trying to figure out how to further troubleshoot the problem as it seems like an odd point of instability.
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• 830[06:18:20] <asdfghjik> tw ok is is possible to put these files on a usb drive and boot from usb then pass to the normal hardisk file system
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• 832[06:20:34] <tw> yes, you can do that. I don't think the installer does that for you though. It's basically the same as making a backup boot disk.
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• 834[06:21:04] <tw> the initrd knows how to handle encrypted root disks.
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• 837[06:23:00] <asdfghjik> tw ok one last one am i able to at the point of punching in my key eject the usb drive and the boot will continue ?
• 838[06:23:38] <asdfghjik> tw im trying to keep my boot sector from malware stealing my encryption key
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• 841[06:24:51] <Barber1987> i am unable to live boot debian
• 842[06:24:52] <tw> you can eject the drive after linux has unpacked the initrd.
• 843[06:24:57] <Barber1987> what sholud i do?
• 844[06:25:04] <tw> which is before you input the password
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• 849[06:25:31] <asdfghjik> tw can it create a ramdisk before decryption ? to load the initrd?
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• 851[06:26:03] <tw> Of course, but you aren't booting from the hdd, you're booting from your trusted USB stick.
• 852[06:26:30] <asdfghjik> tw: this is all speculative for a project im wanting to do i just want the usb ejected before it passes the boot to the hdd
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• 855[06:27:01] <asdfghjik> tw: or I guess before the hdd is mounted
• 856[06:27:15] <tw> if you really want to go nuts, you can set up trusted boot and bake the initrd image into the kernel and sign the whole thing for the EFI loader.
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• 859[06:27:38] <tw> It's a lot of work for very little payoff.
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• 862[06:30:02] <Barber1987> i am trying to live boot debian without installation
• 863[06:30:39] <asdfghjik> tw: so the EFI issue is then null and void ? as far as it being exploited?
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• 867[06:31:10] <Barber1987> there is no option for live boot
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• 871[06:32:33] <asdfghjik> Barber1987: replaced-url
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• 873[06:32:43] <asdfghjik> did you use that ?
• 874[06:32:46] <petemc> bigly
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• 876[06:32:59] <asdfghjik> replaced-url
• 877[06:33:04] <tw> asdfghjik: you can't really secure a system against physical access. You can prevent software muckery with boot images, but that's as far as it goes.
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• 879[06:33:04] <asdfghjik> ^ sorry that
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• 882[06:34:03] <asdfghjik> tw: gotcha but assuming pysical access was not an option would this stop an efi attack ?
• 883[06:34:12] <asdfghjik> tw: your method
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• 891[06:35:54] <tw> Mmm, I don't think you can enforce that you aren't booting under a shim.
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• 893[06:36:09] <tw> Like if it only runs signed images, then probably.
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• 900[06:38:04] <acagastya> You didn't get a message from acagastya also?
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• 906[06:38:27] <acagastya> Look at the tab in the freenode.
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• 919[06:41:38] <agenericusername> tv: Barber1987 has debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• 920[06:42:00] <agenericusername> So why does that not support live boot?
• 921[06:43:01] <petemc> because thats not what it is
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• 923[06:44:15] <agenericusername> I thought live boot is an option available in all iso files.
• 924[06:44:32] <agenericusername> Silly me.
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• 926[06:44:51] <petemc> everyone makes mistakes
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• 928[06:45:54] <agenericusername> But the one with live boot has an option for installation.
• 929[06:45:55] <agenericusername> Let me find the file with live boot.
• 930[06:46:42] <petemc> it is bad when one thing becomes two
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• 932[06:47:19] <agenericusername> No, when my internet connection sucks and I can't load a page to find an ISO file for barber1987. :-P
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• 938[06:50:34] <agenericusername> I need to attend this cat, I would ping you later, petemc.
• 939[06:51:04] <petemc> i will be asleep, most likely
• 940[06:51:12] <petemc> but sure
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• 942[06:51:50] <agenericusername> replaced-url
• 943[06:52:00] <agenericusername> bt-hybrid vs iso-hybrid.
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• 945[06:52:06] <agenericusername> What is the difference petemc?
• 946[06:52:19] <petemc> letters?
• 947[06:52:29] <agenericusername> And why hybrid? (due to non free firmware?)
• 948[06:52:53] <petemc> sure why not
• 949[06:52:54] <tw> hybrid means cd-or-usb.
• 950[06:53:15] <agenericusername> Oh, okay.
• 951[06:53:19] <tw> bt is a bittorrent file, the iso is a direct dl.
• 952[06:53:23] <petemc> it means at least two of something
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• 956[06:54:38] <agenericusername> The non-free would support, let's say for example, proprietary drivers?
• 957[06:55:46] <petemc> those words would, depending, work
• 958[06:56:19] <tw> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 959[06:56:45] <agenericusername> I would have to try that for my laptop -- WiFi would not work otherwise.
• 960[06:56:52] <agenericusername> HP sucks.
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• 962[06:57:56] <tvm> agenericusername: i'd say that majority of recent notebooks won't work out of the box due to absence of wireless firmware blobs in the clean debian
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• 964[06:58:03] <tw> The wifi is more likely to work with the non-free image than the free-only. Most HP laptops in the enterprise product lines work pretty well.
• 965[06:58:17] <tw> but the consumer ones have the blob problem.
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• 968[07:02:43] <agenericusername> I would no longer have to use hotspot from my phone, via LAN.
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• 993[07:21:29] <hoijui> i am on debian testing, and i can't boot into X without the acpi=off kernel parameter
• 994[07:21:56] <hoijui> i want to try to find out what is the main problem, so i can turn off only that, and keep other acpi stuff on
• 995[07:22:07] <hoijui> i am trying to follow this: replaced-url
• 996[07:22:15] <hoijui> (as i have intel graphics)
• 997[07:22:39] <hoijui> but there is no xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/ in my debian install
• 998[07:23:12] <hoijui> this asks me to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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• 1000[07:23:13] <hoijui> what would be the equivalent?
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• 1005[07:24:44] <hoijui> ah... well.. :D
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• 1007[07:25:07] <hoijui> just when writing here, i though.. i could actually look for that in a search engine. nad yeha... that works
• 1008[07:25:10] <hoijui> and*
• 1009[07:25:36] <hoijui> (solution: xorg.conf is not requried by default, but can be added, and will be used then)
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• 1044[08:09:48] <iamtakingiteasy> hi, is there a way to build a deb package from remote repository instead of local tarball, making debian buildsystem checkout the remote repo by itself?
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• 1046[08:10:32] <iamtakingiteasy> so i can easily distribute only
• 1047[08:10:41] <iamtakingiteasy> only files needed to creating a deb package*
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• 1049[08:12:53] <nkuttler> using the debian build system itself, or just locally?
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• 1052[08:13:45] <iamtakingiteasy> nkuttler: former one. i watnt to make a fully specified package, not make a quick'n'dirty deb via checkinstall
• 1053[08:14:30] <themill> a fully specified package has a tarball
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• 1060[08:15:35] <iamtakingiteasy> too bad, i've got too much used to convinience of ebuilds/PKGBUILDs. okay, thanks for clarifying that debian package system can work only with tarballs.
• 1061[08:15:37] <nkuttler> sounds more deterministic
• 1062[08:15:40] <themill> (making the tarbll with git archive is entirely appropriate if that's what you've got)
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• 1107[08:45:32] <mdroid> hello
• 1108[08:46:32] <mdroid> I want to install infinality bundle. but there are too many github and 3rd party repo for debian. Could someone give me the most up to date one for debian 9 x86_64?
• 1109[08:46:45] <mdroid> the font rendering really sucks on mu machine.
• 1110[08:47:02] <mdroid> I herby thank you all.
• 1111[08:48:26] <mdroid> */herby/hereby
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• 1136[09:04:01] <retrojeff> I am starting to think systemd was the reason why ian killed himself
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• 1143[09:10:53] <nkuttler> !ops retrojeff
• 1144[09:10:53] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: retrojeff
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• 1147[09:11:37] <iamtakingiteasy> is it possible to apt-pin a debian repository based on its url?
• 1148[09:11:40] <retrojeff> just saying I hate systemd too
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• 1150[09:12:00] <iamtakingiteasy> in case i have a number of repositories of same relase, origin hostname, but with different url paths
• 1151[09:12:14] <iamtakingiteasy> some of which are more unstable than others
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• 1154[09:13:12] <iamtakingiteasy> maybe there is a way to tag a deb source in sources.list?
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• 1162[09:17:25] <jelly> iamtakingiteasy: is there anything different among them in "apt-cache policy" output, apart from the url
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• 1165[09:18:11] <iamtakingiteasy> jelly: thats the problem: in my case there is none
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• 1167[09:19:16] <iamtakingiteasy> i know this is wrong, but what can i do?
• 1168[09:19:29] <jelly> ask the owner to make better repos
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• 1170[09:19:41] <iamtakingiteasy> uuu
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• 1173[09:20:03] <iamtakingiteasy> i guess, i'll proxy some of them via local nginx
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• 1175[09:20:41] <jelly> or just avoid having them enabled at the same time
• 1176[09:20:42] <iamtakingiteasy> but some repo-tagging mechanism would be sweet
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• 1178[09:20:56] <iamtakingiteasy> like deb [kind=not-very-stable] replaced-url
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• 1181[09:22:05] <iamtakingiteasy> and then Pin: kind "not-very-stable" with low value
• 1182[09:22:24] <iamtakingiteasy> okay, enough dreaming, thanks anyways
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• 1184[09:22:40] <jelly> even if they're NotAutomatic=yes, picking where to get an upgrade from might be only doable with apt-get install foo=version syntax
• 1185[09:23:29] <jelly> iamtakingiteasy: can you show the complete output of "apt-cache policy"
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• 1215[09:53:28] <Henry151> hello #debian
• 1216[09:53:34] <Henry151> can somebody help me find my dpkg logs?
• 1217[09:53:38] <Henry151> not sure where to look.
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• 1230[09:58:20] <smurfing> hi
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• 1235[10:00:01] <smurfing> I have just set up php7 and mariadb and a virutalhost called phpmyadmin. I modified a line in the hosts file to 127.0.0.1 localhost phpmyadmin. When I enter phpmyadmin into the Firefox address field then still it is send to google and I get search results. Any help?
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• 1237[10:00:45] <smurfing> Note: I have done extensive web development over 10 years ago and restarting today.
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• 1243[10:07:29] <mr__tea> what happens if you just tpe 127.0.0.1 smurfing ?
• 1244[10:07:46] <mr__tea> is your server listening to port 80?
• 1245[10:07:50] <mr__tea> can you telnet to it?
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• 1250[10:09:38] <smurfing> mr__tea: I get the apache default page
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• 1252[10:09:50] <smurfing> ahh
• 1253[10:10:05] <smurfing> I entered phpmyadmin:80 and voila.
• 1254[10:10:06] <smurfing> Thx
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• 1260[10:13:42] <mr__tea> :)
• 1261[10:13:55] <mr__tea> if you type replaced-url
• 1262[10:14:01] <mr__tea> you should not need the port then
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• 1271[10:23:28] <quietone> how do I find how much power my laptop uses?
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• 1282[10:31:08] <frankie__> have anybody tried to add a fat partition onto a usb stick written with the official isohybrid image? i tried n the next thing i get after bootup is kernel panic..
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• 1288[10:37:17] <bolt_> quietone: if you can run it without the battery, get a convenience store grade power measuring device between your plug and the wall. that'd be the easiest
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• 1292[10:37:57] <bolt_> quietone: if you want to go accurate, extend leads from the battery, attaching pads to the laptop's battery port, and put a multimeter in between
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• 1294[10:38:24] <pingfloyd> yeah, just use a multimeter
• 1295[10:38:33] <pingfloyd> screw buying some worthless gadget
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• 1297[10:39:00] <bolt_> that worthless gadget is useful if you're interested in general power consumption of things
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• 1299[10:39:22] <bolt_> high voltage multimeter experiments aren't for everyone
• 1300[10:39:27] <pingfloyd> you can just measure it and it do the math
• 1301[10:39:28] <bolt_> thus the battery suggestion
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• 1303[10:39:40] <quietone> bolt_, pingfloyd thanks. I don't know if I can run it without the battery. And I don't think I will have the time to learn how to do what you suggest before my flight
• 1304[10:40:04] <JyZyXEL> how do you remove a repository from apt-cacher-ng?
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• 1306[10:40:18] <pingfloyd> watts is volts x amps
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• 1308[10:40:29] <JyZyXEL> it keeps sending me error mesages every damn morning
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• 1317[10:41:45] <bolt_> quietone: weird time to decide to measure power usage...
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• 1321[10:42:32] <Maid-Chan> is it possible to rdp into the desktop session not a special session specifically for the remote client?
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• 1323[10:42:41] <quietone> bolt_, not really. I just learned the power limitations of the plug on the plane
• 1324[10:43:51] <quietone> bolt_, It is 75W and if it tripped it can't be used for the rest of the flight
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• 1326[10:45:17] <pingfloyd> 75W or 75A?
• 1327[10:45:45] <quietone> pingfloyd, my partner tells me with confidence that is it 75W
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• 1329[10:46:50] <JyZyXEL> looks like it's ok to just rm /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng/REPO and then refresh the cache
• 1330[10:47:36] <bolt_> pingfloyd: dude. there's no 75A power socket on planes. really.
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• 1332[10:48:29] <bolt_> quietone: what sort of laptop do you have? model?
• 1333[10:48:48] <quietone> bolt_, thinkpenguin snares
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• 1338[10:49:15] <smurfing> I can no longer restart my apache server. I get the following error after trying to restart: 'job for apache2.service failed. See "systemctl status apache2.service'.
• 1339[10:49:27] <quietone> bolt_, replaced-url
• 1340[10:49:50] <bolt_> quietone: which cpu?
• 1341[10:50:17] <pingfloyd> bolt_: no kidding. I'd expect 75A to trip most breakers.
• 1342[10:50:27] <quietone> bolt_, I don't know anymore. How to find out?
• 1343[10:50:42] <bolt_> quietone: cat /proc/cpuinfo
• 1344[10:50:47] <pingfloyd> and 75W isn't much power
• 1345[10:51:03] <smurfing> I get this: replaced-url
• 1346[10:51:03] <bolt_> that's why i'm asking about the cpu
• 1347[10:51:18] <quietone> bolt_, Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4702MQ CPU @ 2.20GHz
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• 1350[10:52:46] <bolt_> that one has a tdp of 37W. plus a screen and battery potentially charging, i wouldn't be surprised if you could double that
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• 1353[10:54:03] <bolt_> quietone: if you need to stay below 75W, i'd try running it with the cable and without the battery inserted so it doesn't spend power charging it
• 1354[10:55:09] <pingfloyd> I don't even plug into their mains while on the plane
• 1355[10:55:49] <quietone> bolt_, That sounds simple enough to try.
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• 1357[10:56:01] <quietone> bolt_, what is 'tdp'?
• 1358[10:56:03] <pingfloyd> most of the time there isn't one close enough anyway
• 1359[10:56:23] <bolt_> pingfloyd: the more exclusive flights have a socket per passenger
• 1360[10:56:24] <pingfloyd> unless you're in first class or something where each seat gets a plug
• 1361[10:57:09] <pingfloyd> if you're not flying first class, I wouldn't count on there being an outlet available.
• 1362[10:57:16] <bolt_> quietone: i assume you're not about to buy a new laptop for the flight, so try without the battery first, and if it won't boot with that, make sure your battery is fully charged before the flight, charging up at a cafe or something at the airport, so that the charging circuitry can be idle on the flight
• 1363[10:57:31] <pingfloyd> if you luck out, then it's bonus instead of a requirement to operate
• 1364[10:57:54] <pingfloyd> *missing requirement
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• 1366[10:58:11] <bolt_> quietone: if it still trips the breaker, you're not getting any use out of it anyway, so it doesn't really matter
• 1367[10:58:33] <quietone> bolt_, thanks I can do all that. But i only get 2hr on battery and it is a 14 hr flight.
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• 1369[10:59:11] <quietone> bolt_, my partner and I share the power socket. I need to not trip it!
• 1370[10:59:24] <bolt_> quietone: oh, and if you've got some sort of power management installed, or in the bios, set it to an absolute low before the flight. many will by default enable all the bells and whistles when they sense a power plug
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• 1373[11:01:16] <quietone> bolt_, what would you suggest for power management?
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• 1376[11:01:47] <bolt_> quietone: most desktop environments seem to come with some sort of power management applet
• 1377[11:02:05] <bolt_> quietone: i don't use such on mine, so i set the power management in the bios
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• 1384[11:06:44] <smurfing> Any idea?
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• 1388[11:08:20] <bolt> quietone: oh, you asked about "tdp". that's the "thermal design power" of a chip. it's a worst-case estimation of how much heat the chip will generate, which is directly connected to how much power it consumes. it's also, and thus the name, how much heat the cooling system would need to handle to be appropriate for said chip.
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• 1390[11:09:25] <quietone> bolt, thanks a lot. I must return to work. Cheers
• 1391[11:09:33] <bolt> quietone: have fun :)
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• 1394[11:10:51] <bolt> in before someone technically correct gets anal about this, i know the tdp can be exceeded in certain cases when algorithms are written specifically to generate heat with a given chip
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• 1416[11:25:51] <sharp15> does anyone in channel know where the directions are for burning(?) the netinst iso to a usb stick?
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• 1423[11:28:37] <sharp15> nm.
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• 1425[11:30:20] <smurfing> Are there any restrictions for the names in apache virutal host conf files?
• 1426[11:30:39] <smurfing> Is it allowed to use dots in virtual server names?
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• 1428[11:30:58] <smurfing> My apache won't start and I don't know what I did wrong.
• 1429[11:31:50] <jelly> smurfing: what does "apachectl -S" say
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• 1431[11:32:03] <jelly> and what does the error log say
• 1432[11:33:02] <jelly> dots are a normal part of a fully qualified host name
• 1433[11:33:57] <smurfing> apachectl -S : command not found
• 1434[11:34:38] <jelly> smurfing: which debian release is this
• 1435[11:34:46] <smurfing> jelly: 8.9
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• 1437[11:35:07] <jelly> apache2ctl -S, then
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• 1439[11:35:37] <smurfing> jelly: also, command not found
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• 1441[11:35:51] <jelly> smurfing: are you root?
• 1442[11:36:02] <smurfing> ups
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• 1444[11:36:05] <jelly> verify /usr/sbin is in your PATH
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• 1447[11:36:37] <jelly> t!paste
• 1448[11:36:40] <jelly> !paste
• 1449[11:36:41] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1451[11:39:38] <smurfing> replaced-url
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• 1456[11:41:46] <rotaticus> is there a way to ask what packages where installed manually? for backup or reproduction?
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• 1464[11:43:42] <bazhang> jelly what are the odds of getting etcher into the debian repos
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• 1471[11:47:19] <nkuttler> rotaticus: man apt-mark
• 1472[11:47:43] <nkuttler> rotaticus: though the better approach would obviously be to have your system configuration in revision control
• 1473[11:49:46] <rotaticus> nkuttler: my aim is to reproduce the running system to the same hardware at a friend ... but i hope to unmark all packages i installed and uninstalled again ... looking for alternatives
• 1474[11:50:02] <nkuttler> what?
• 1475[11:50:24] <rotaticus> sry ... retry
• 1476[11:51:39] <rotaticus> i got a good running system here, and i'd like to have a easy way to clone it WITHOUT cloning the disk
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• 1479[11:52:27] <rotaticus> my thought was to get a list of manually installed packages and carry that to the other machine
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• 1482[11:54:13] <rotaticus> the problem: i installed stuff i dont really need and hopefully also uninstalled the unneeded stuff ... in my thought there will be a line >> added uselesspackage and a line >> removed uselesspackage
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• 1498[12:01:13] <pingfloyd> rotaticus: apt-mark showmanual >> list
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• 1500[12:02:48] <rotaticus> pingfloyd: it will just be the active manual packages? it looks good
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• 1504[12:03:56] <rotaticus> thanks pingfloyd nkuttler
• 1505[12:04:08] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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• 1509[12:06:16] <mdroid> infinality bundle? any help? anyone? (debian9)?
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• 1518[12:10:25] <smurfing> For some reason it is now working. I restarted the entire machine.
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• 1520[12:11:02] <smurfing> How do I have to set up the directory of a virtual host so I can do all the webdevelopment in it. Now I am getting access denied.
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• 1522[12:11:19] <smurfing> I mean which rights should I give the dirs on the test machine?
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• 1531[12:14:25] <smurfing> Is there a standard way or even command?
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• 1562[12:30:03] <jelly> bazhang: depends on who's willing to do the work and jump thru debian's hoops
• 1563[12:30:18] <jelly> ,wnpp etcher
• 1564[12:30:19] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
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• 1566[12:30:41] <jelly> ,rfp etcher
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• 1569[12:31:28] <jelly> ,wnpp etcher.io
• 1570[12:31:29] <judd> Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found.
• 1571[12:31:41] <bazhang> jelly, someone said there was an appimage
• 1572[12:31:55] <jelly> debian does not carry appimages
• 1573[12:32:01] <bazhang> is that like a PPA for ubuntu
• 1574[12:32:16] <jelly> sounds like a completely different package format
• 1575[12:32:31] <bazhang> thanks
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• 1601[12:50:55] <ranyardm> #c-base
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• 1603[12:51:11] <ranyardm> bah bloody context. sorry about that.
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• 1620[13:02:16] <sharp15> on the installer partition formating page 'F' is format and 'K' is keep. correct?
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• 1624[13:06:09] <Barber1987> I am new at debian and i am not able to compile a cpp file in terminal
• 1625[13:06:15] <Barber1987> what should i do?
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• 1629[13:07:53] <Barber1987> neither g++ or c++ is working
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• 1633[13:09:09] <VLetrmx> Barber1987, /win 14
• 1634[13:09:15] <VLetrmx> naSighi
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• 1636[13:09:27] <sharp15> Barber1987: not installed by default. at least i don't think they are.
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• 1638[13:09:39] <acagastya> sharp15 since when?
• 1639[13:09:51] <acagastya> I remember it was there in Jessie.
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• 1641[13:09:59] <sharp15> acagastya: by default?
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• 1643[13:10:08] <acagastya> Yes, by default.
• 1644[13:10:29] * acagastya can't believe it is not there by default in Debian!
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• 1646[13:11:04] <sharp15> acagastya: i could be wrong. i normally use gentoo. i'm installing an extra system i don't want to have to sit through compile times on.
• 1647[13:11:24] <jushur> g++ main.cpp -o main
• 1648[13:12:08] <acagastya> Barber1987 is getting `g++: command not found`.
• 1649[13:12:26] <acagastya> They are in live boot mode.
• 1650[13:12:57] <acagastya> But I do remember gcc was there in Jessie's live boot.
• 1651[13:13:08] <jushur> so get a live boot iso that has base-devel?
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• 1656[13:14:40] <acagastya> by the way, someone seed the nonfree version of 9.1
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• 1684[13:24:20] <WolveHelp> hi, could anyone help me with my smbclient problem? I am connected to my college server through Cisco AnyConnect and I am trying to get on the smb server of my college, but I don't get how to connect to it. Can anyone help me with that?
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• 1687[13:28:16] <WolveHelp> The problem I have is, that smbclient tries to connect as Workgroup, but the server I try to connect uses INF as Workgroup name. How do I tell Nautilus to use INF/myusername instead of WORKGROUP/myusername ?
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• 1707[13:40:24] <nvz> WolveHelp: dconf write "/system/smb/workgroup" "'yourworkgroup'"
• 1708[13:41:09] <WolveHelp> I will try that
• 1709[13:41:11] <nvz> WolveHelp: also nautilus should support uris like //workgroup/share being typed directly into the address bar or smb://workgroup/share
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• 1712[13:43:16] <mdroid> WolveHelp, you may also be abe to mount the whole server with cifs **mount.cifs** !!!
• 1713[13:43:41] <nvz> WolveHelp: mind the double/nested quotes on the last argument, its loooking to have a quoted string as the actual value in dconf
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• 1719[13:46:29] <WolveHelp> I tried the smb://workgroup/share, but it doesn't connect
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• 1724[13:48:19] <WolveHelp> It told me, that it failed to mount the server, because it doesn't exist. But the connection itself asked for my username and password
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• 1731[13:49:53] <WolveHelp> and connecting through go and location and using smb://servername gives me a connection refused...
• 1732[13:51:36] <nvz> its been ages since I used samba. I try mount my girlfriend everynight though and she doesn't exist either and the connection is refused, so I feel your pain
• 1733[13:52:00] <WolveHelp> xD
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• 1737[13:55:15] <nvz> typically when I had issues in the past, like any other issue I broke it down to figure out whats going on and in this case I would use smbclient directly on the command line to see if I could figure it out. I'd also look into firewall issues since you seem to be connecting through some sort of proprietary method to this network
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• 1742[13:56:41] <WolveHelp> I tried smbclient and it told me this: NT_STATUS_DUPLICATE_NAME
• 1743[13:57:27] <nvz> thats not good.. sounds like there is a hostname conflict on the network
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• 1745[13:57:49] <nvz> two samba nodes using the same name
• 1746[13:58:03] <nvz> can you try figure out its IP and connect by IP?
• 1747[13:58:06] <WolveHelp> but it does work on windows clients...
• 1748[13:58:13] <WolveHelp> i will try that
• 1749[13:58:23] <nvz> maybe YOUR linux box is the one that is using the same name :P
• 1750[13:59:02] <WolveHelp> seems like i got a connection
• 1751[13:59:17] <WolveHelp> so, how do i access this connection through a file manager? :D
• 1752[13:59:27] <nvz> great, do you beliee the hand is quicker than the eye?
• 1753[13:59:42] <nvz> //ip/ or smb://ip/
• 1754[13:59:50] <WolveHelp> i will try that
• 1755[14:00:54] <WolveHelp> It works, it works....wuhahahahaha....thanks nvz
• 1756[14:01:07] <nvz> np
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• 1762[14:03:33] <maxcell_> I can't make gdm3 my default manager neither start him. It gives me an error saying: "The unit files have no installation config (WantedBy, RequiredBy, Also, Alias
• 1763[14:03:33] <maxcell_> settings in the [Install] section, and DefaultInstance for template units)."
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• 1765[14:04:50] <maxcell_> denis@debian:~$ sudo invoke-rc.d gdm3 reload
• 1766[14:04:51] <maxcell_> gdm.service is not active, cannot reload.
• 1767[14:04:51] <maxcell_> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm3, action "reload" failed.
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• 1770[14:05:43] <maxcell_> can't load why
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• 1772[14:06:10] <teraflops> I dont think reload enables a service at boot…
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• 1774[14:06:28] <maxcell_> i've tried systemctl disable sddm ; systemctl enable gdm.service
• 1775[14:06:36] <teraflops> maxcell_: jessie or stable?
• 1776[14:06:42] <maxcell_> testing
• 1777[14:06:47] <teraflops> :S
• 1778[14:07:03] <maxcell_> it's very stable
• 1779[14:07:09] <maxcell_> right now
• 1780[14:07:20] <maxcell_> minor changes when i upgrade the stretch
• 1781[14:07:20] <teraflops> :S²
• 1782[14:07:29] <teraflops> try sudo dkpg-reconfigure sddm
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• 1784[14:08:10] <maxcell_> it asks me to select default, i put gdm3
• 1785[14:08:12] <maxcell_> no errors
• 1786[14:08:16] <maxcell_> :~
• 1787[14:08:26] <teraflops> but no dialog from terminal?
• 1788[14:08:30] <maxcell_> yes
• 1789[14:08:38] <teraflops> oh good
• 1790[14:08:42] <teraflops> then I think youre fine
• 1791[14:08:48] <maxcell_> lets try it out
• 1792[14:08:51] <teraflops> just reboot and see ehat happens
• 1793[14:08:55] <teraflops> what^
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• 1796[14:10:20] <maxcell_> teraflops, it worked
• 1797[14:10:29] <maxcell_> -.-
• 1798[14:10:38] <teraflops> grats
• 1799[14:10:48] <maxcell_> that was hard
• 1800[14:10:52] <teraflops> not really :P
• 1801[14:10:57] <maxcell_> lol
• 1802[14:11:07] <maxcell_> but the gnome-shell didn't show
• 1803[14:11:12] <maxcell_> and it is installed
• 1804[14:11:33] <maxcell_> but sddm nor gdm3 show gnome-shell on the options
• 1805[14:11:36] <teraflops> maxcell_: please go to oftc network and /join to #debian-next
• 1806[14:11:52] <teraflops> that's the right place for asking about testing/sid
• 1807[14:12:02] <maxcell_> i cannot enter this channel
• 1808[14:12:13] <maxcell_> invited only
• 1809[14:12:13] <teraflops> please go to oftc network^
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• 1811[14:12:31] <teraflops> this is freenode, oftc is another network
• 1812[14:12:53] <teraflops> !debian-next
• 1813[14:12:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1823[14:18:10] <obiwahn> hi
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• 1826[14:18:26] <obiwahn> what must i do to enable ipv6 on my server
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• 1828[14:18:40] <obiwahn> it has a fe80:: address but no external
• 1829[14:18:50] <teraflops> iv6 is enabled by default, so idk what's youre real issue
• 1830[14:18:56] <teraflops> ipv6^
• 1831[14:19:11] <obiwahn> i am not sure
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• 1833[14:19:30] <obiwahn> maybe the fire
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• 1835[14:20:24] <teraflops> try explaining what are you trying to achieve, the more details you give the better help you can receive
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• 1845[14:23:23] <obiwahn> Sorry I thought I was disconnected ...
• 1846[14:23:40] <obiwahn> replaced-url
• 1847[14:23:58] <obiwahn> i want to an ip in the prefix of my subnet
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• 1849[14:24:16] <teraflops> obiwahn: we need more details
• 1850[14:24:24] <teraflops> you said my server
• 1851[14:24:32] <teraflops> is this an VPS?
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• 1853[14:24:44] <g0zzy> Can apt 'understand' that you want to uninstall something and *then* install something different?
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• 1859[14:25:41] <obiwahn> It is a private server with a subnet that i can use. I is not virtual
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• 1862[14:26:38] <teraflops> obiwahn: is it a dedi server from a VPS company?
• 1863[14:27:09] <teraflops> obiwahn: by subnet you mean ipv6 block?
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• 1866[14:27:18] <obiwahn> replaced-url
• 1867[14:27:21] <obiwahn> yes
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• 1870[14:27:32] <teraflops> also is it from a 3rd party company, not yours?
• 1871[14:27:33] <obiwahn> 2a01:4f8:191:71ea:: / 64
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• 1874[14:28:15] <teraflops> obiwahn: did they provide info about setting up ipv6 on their dedis? or do they have a wiki or similar?
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• 1878[14:29:19] <teraflops> obiwahn: at this point idk since idk how they implement it.
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• 1881[14:32:49] <teraflops> idk what's default gw for your /64, or what is it, or if they do ra or dhcp
• 1882[14:32:53] <teraflops> or whatever
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• 1915[14:55:06] <g0zzy> Can apt 'understand' that you want to uninstall something and *then* install something different?
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• 1917[14:57:46] <rotaticus> g0zzy: apt remove this ; apt install that ... got somethiing special in mind?
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• 1920[15:00:50] <g0zzy> My goal is to install cinnamon. apt freaks when i install while mate is installed
• 1921[15:01:40] * g0zzy realizes that's a bit different to the first statement
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• 1923[15:02:47] <g0zzy> Perhaps i'll actually have to remove mate first
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• 1926[15:03:08] <murdoc`> You can have both installed. What's it saying when you try to install it?
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• 1928[15:04:48] <g0zzy> replaced-url
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• 1935[15:06:54] <g0zzy> Not happy
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• 1940[15:08:47] <n4dir> g0zzy: which command did you run? How does your sources.list look liek
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• 1942[15:08:49] <n4dir> ups: like
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• 1946[15:09:54] <g0zzy> aptitude install -s task-cinnamon-desktop
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• 1949[15:10:42] <g0zzy> sources.list: replaced-url
• 1950[15:11:44] <rotaticus> Can't find a source to download version '2.6.0-3+b2' of 'liblouisutdml7:amd64'
• 1951[15:12:00] <n4dir> wondering how apache2-bin is a part of cinamon. To me it seems weird, but that is just a shoot in the dark (same goes for the question why installing cinamon-desktop should remove so much.
• 1952[15:12:01] <cruncher> rotaticus, try snapshot.debian.org
• 1953[15:12:34] <rotaticus> cruncher: thx , g0zzy hear that?
• 1954[15:12:43] <g0zzy> snapshot?
• 1955[15:13:24] <cruncher> ah, its for g0zzys problem?
• 1956[15:13:31] <n4dir> g0zzy: you sure you completed the upgrade? If i understand correct you upgraded from jessie to stretch today?
• 1957[15:14:17] <g0zzy> Well it _seems_ ok. Though i'm not sure if there's been a reboot since apt corrected itself
• 1958[15:14:37] <g0zzy> You understand correctly ;)
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• 1961[15:15:19] <n4dir> So you ran apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade (probably the according commands with aptitude) ?
• 1962[15:16:42] <g0zzy> Yes, i think so. I mean, let's leave aside cinnamon for a mo. Either the system is happy or not. Probably a good idea to make sure it IS first?
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• 1964[15:17:20] <n4dir> i guess so :-) I do know there is the command "apt-get check", but the truth is that i hardly ever used it
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• 1967[15:18:25] <g0zzy> Actually, some things are upgradeable so i'll so that first
• 1968[15:18:40] <n4dir> good, good. let's hope for the best :-)
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• 1976[15:23:34] <g0zzy> Thanks folks. That upgrade seems to solve the problem with prospective cinnamon install
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• 2029[15:55:16] <Voldenet> Hm, I've updated from jessie to stretch and I can't use nodesource and weechat repositories, because of "gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed."
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• 2031[15:55:39] <Voldenet> I've tried readding apt keys and it didn't really work
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• 2041[15:59:03] <Silvester> hey guys! I was wondering if any of you could point out to a nice linux app that could sort out an emulated retro game library
• 2042[15:59:30] <Silvester> i know there's the gnome games app, but can i install it without all of gnome's shoddy games?
• 2043[15:59:31] <Cl0udN9ne> Silvester: `can you elaborate?
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• 2045[16:00:12] <Cl0udN9ne> like an app tht shows the list of games installed in the system?
• 2046[16:00:23] <Silvester> not installed games, but game ROMs rather
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• 2048[16:00:29] <Silvester> from multiple emulators
• 2049[16:00:36] <Cl0udN9ne> oh
• 2050[16:00:49] <lorenzo_> exit
• 2051[16:00:53] <Cl0udN9ne> its a long time since i used emulators though
• 2052[16:00:53] <lorenzo_> exit
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• 2059[16:05:07] <dmkeast> Silvester: find /path/to/roms -type f
• 2060[16:05:58] <paul_grozav_> hello, how can i add this line to rfkill, in order to make my bluetooth work? replaced-url
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• 2062[16:06:32] <cruncher> Silvester, check out this, maybe its what you want
• 2063[16:06:33] <cruncher> replaced-url
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• 2065[16:06:45] <paul_grozav_> i am trying to apply this fix replaced-url
• 2066[16:07:30] <Silvester> cruncher: that looks great, i am going to try it. thank you!
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• 2068[16:07:56] <cruncher> Silvester, also check out RetroArch
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• 2070[16:08:59] <paul_grozav_> and how do i enable config rfkill gpio in kernel config?
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• 2078[16:11:49] <paul_grozav_> OBDA8723 is the ACPI i am trying to use. does debian support this?
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• 2086[16:15:57] <paul_grozav_> please try to include this fix in a future debian version
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• 2089[16:17:45] <v178> I'm getting a syntax error when I try to install python3-zeep. Anyone available to assist?
• 2090[16:18:09] <annadane> v178, what's the error?
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• 2092[16:19:26] <v178> replaced-url
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• 2098[16:22:08] <v178> I attempted to help myself with this issue to no avail. I like to think my Google Fu is strong.
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• 2100[16:23:24] <murdoc`> v178: What version of python do you have?
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• 2104[16:25:08] <g0zzy> Just installed task-cinnamon-desktop. I was using mate. I'm still using mate, but was expecting to have cinnamon configured now. Do i have to do something explicitly?
• 2105[16:25:15] <v178> murdoc: it looks like I have both 2 and 3
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• 2109[16:26:48] <annadane> g0zzy, if i understand your question correctly, to use cinnamon you have to select it from the list of desktops on your login screen
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• 2114[16:28:20] <g0zzy> Ah i was expecting that, but didn't get it. Is lightdm able to do that even?
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• 2116[16:28:31] <annadane> g0zzy, yes
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• 2118[16:28:42] <g0zzy> Maybe i missed it
• 2119[16:28:47] <cruncher> v178, do you have python3 version >=3.5?
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• 2121[16:29:52] <v178> cruncher: I have version 3.4.2
• 2122[16:30:05] <cruncher> v178, there you have the problem
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• 2126[16:30:50] <v178> cruncher: I would have thought dependency checks would have caught that
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• 2128[16:30:59] <v178> cruncher: don't get me wrong, I believe you
• 2129[16:31:03] <g0zzy> I'll try again. I seem to remember just seeing a plain dialog with no drop down. Rebooting
• 2130[16:31:06] <cruncher> v178, yes, it should
• 2131[16:31:42] <n4dir> g0zzy: no need to reboot, i think. Just exit the Desktop Environment and you should get to lightdm. iirc
• 2132[16:31:46] <cruncher> but now can be the first to report a bug for that package ;-)
• 2133[16:31:54] <cruncher> *now you can
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• 2135[16:32:47] <v178> cruncher: the package details show it's compatible with 3.4, but apparently that's not the case?
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• 2137[16:33:40] <v178> cruncher: posting bugs is not new to me, I'll get right on it
• 2138[16:33:47] <cruncher> v178, and it loks like the packager didnt know that the async def coroutine was added after >=3.5, and i doubt they would check all calls for the right version (or maybe they do). i dont know whats the reason in this case
• 2139[16:33:50] <cruncher> bugs happen
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• 2141[16:33:50] <g0zzy> replaced-url
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• 2143[16:34:18] <cruncher> v178, but try it out if it works afterwards
• 2144[16:34:29] <v178> cruncher: thanks for your help
• 2145[16:34:34] <cruncher> no problem
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• 2147[16:35:12] <annadane> g0zzy, check on the upper right
• 2148[16:35:43] <annadane> it's not selected from that box
• 2149[16:36:19] <g0zzy> Ah
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• 2158[16:39:20] <g0zzy> annadane: Thanks. Found it
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• 2161[16:42:41] <sharp15> i have a realtek wifi chip in a laptop. how do i access the firmware? adding 'non-free' to /etc/apt/sources.list and doing 'apt-get update' did not make the 'firmware-linux-non-free' or 'firmware-realtek' packages appear.
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• 2163[16:42:59] <sharp15> i'm on stretch (
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• 2165[16:43:44] <annadane> sharp15, well, after apt update you'd have to manually install the firmware packages you need, they don't automatically install once you've done that. but beyond that what do you mean by not appearing?
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• 2170[16:45:52] <sharp15> annadane: sorry. they aren't showing up in apt. 'apt-get install firmware-linux-non-free firmware-realtek' just kicks out the usual 'cannot be found' error.
• 2171[16:46:11] <Krennic> hmm
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• 2173[16:46:20] <annadane> sharp15, 1) you don't necessarily need both of those 2) can you post your sources list to paste.debian.net?
• 2174[16:46:26] <n4dir> might be a typo: firmware-linux-nonfree ; sharp15
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• 2176[16:46:38] <annadane> ah, right
• 2177[16:46:42] <annadane> that's it
• 2178[16:46:44] <n4dir> if that is the solution for your problem i don't know.
• 2179[16:46:56] <annadane> nonfree is not hyphenated
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• 2182[16:47:29] <LtL> sharp15: its firmware-linux-nonfree. perhaps you need 'contrib' in sources.list also
• 2183[16:47:51] <annadane> and yes, i would also add contrib
• 2184[16:48:26] <n4dir> i see no point in adding non-free and omitting contrib (not saying it is needed, just that imho it won't hurt to add it too)
• 2185[16:48:47] <n4dir> i would see a point in omitting both, but that is seldom possible ...
• 2186[16:48:54] <annadane> well, the main reason is that it doesn't hurt, i don't know whether those specifically require it
• 2187[16:49:27] <n4dir> if i add, i always add both (and sure most of the times i have to)
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• 2198[16:54:25] <ntinos> sharp15: why not try searching it first such as `apt search firmware-linux`
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• 2203[16:56:06] <elwisp> I get an error in a ncurses terminal app. it says failed creating tempfile. Tried to loook with strace to find the file but that kinda breaks the app when strace is spamming all it finds out. Anyone know how to figure it out? It is a step the app does so lsof does not work since it would have to be timed exactly
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• 2205[16:56:44] <sharp15> ntinos: i tried. i used aptitude, but i did try. still not there.
• 2206[16:57:33] <sharp15> also i can't find netstat.
• 2207[16:57:54] <annadane> sharp15, i think you should use apt, not aptitude
• 2208[16:58:03] <annadane> in any case, we've indicated what the issue is already
• 2209[16:58:13] <ntinos> sharp15: apt install net-tools
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• 2216[16:58:59] <ntinos> sharp15: net-tools have been deprecated in favor of iproute2 tho
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• 2219[16:59:23] <sharp15> does iproute contain a netstat alternative?
• 2220[16:59:26] <ntinos> ss
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• 2234[17:02:15] <sharp15> sources.lst is here. replaced-url
• 2235[17:02:44] <annadane> sharp15, add contrib and non-free to every line, not just what you have there
• 2236[17:02:58] <murdoc`> ^
• 2237[17:03:11] <sharp15> ok.
• 2238[17:03:20] <annadane> and apt update and then try installing
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• 2247[17:07:47] <sharp15> it worked. thanks.
• 2248[17:08:12] <annadane> i think also you should probably reboot if you've installed firmware
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• 2291[17:22:08] <makeway> Hey, not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I'm installing a theme called paper on kde and it's not showing up in desktop themes as system settings.
• 2292[17:22:16] <makeway> Going by instructions on the theme's site
• 2293[17:22:24] <makeway> I'm just installing the files using dpkg
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• 2297[17:23:31] <annadane> makeway, it's also possible you can install the theme by going to system settings > workspace theme > desktop theme > get new theme
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• 2299[17:23:45] <annadane> i'm not sure how secure installing via dpkg is
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• 2301[17:24:23] <makeway> Well paper isn't showing up as one of the themes in the get new themes menu
• 2302[17:24:38] <spoon_of_huggybe> makeway, Do: dpkg -L PACKAGE_NAME . Then you can see where dpkg installed it. Themes are usually under /usr/share/themes/
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• 2306[17:24:57] <annadane> that's... significantly more helpful
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• 2311[17:25:50] <makeway> It's all showing up as being in /usr/share/themes/
• 2312[17:26:05] <annadane> i apologize for not being helpful
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• 2314[17:26:35] <makeway> annadane: don't worry, it was helpful to check that anyway. I'm super new at this, so you probably had the right idea to start there.
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• 2317[17:28:04] <spoon_of_huggybe> makeway, I know Paper as a GTK theme. Maybe what you installed doesn't have a KDE theme in it? Could you tell us what this command lists? ls /usr/share/themes/Paper
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• 2319[17:28:36] <spoon_of_huggybe> For example, the Paper theme I have installed, has no KDE theme.
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• 2321[17:28:50] <makeway> Oh... wait...
• 2322[17:28:53] <makeway> That's probably it..
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• 2324[17:29:06] <makeway> Well shit, am I out of luck then?
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• 2326[17:29:36] <spoon_of_huggybe> KDE4 could use GTK themes in KDE programmes as well. Maybe that still works? Not sure about KDE 5.x sorry
• 2327[17:29:54] <spoon_of_huggybe> Or just google if Paper already has a proper KDE theme.
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• 2332[17:31:48] <kriech0r> hey there, anyone experiences with mdraid and hdparm / disk sleep?
• 2333[17:32:35] <makeway> spoon_of_huggybe: I mean, it's showing up on store.kde.org... not sure what that means though - the downloads page just links back to the site where I downloaded it from
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• 2335[17:34:26] <sharp15> can i set up the networking system to connect on boot? without a login or do i need to use /etc/network(s) for that?
• 2336[17:35:29] <spoon_of_huggybe> makeway, I can only find the Paper icon theme there.
• 2337[17:36:17] <makeway> Well idk. It's alright I guess.
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• 2339[17:36:39] <SuperTramp83> makeway: looks nice. You might also be interested in the arc-theme. That one is in your repo
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• 2342[17:37:12] <jhutchins> sharp15: Yes, that's the traditional configuration.
• 2343[17:37:33] <jhutchins> sharp15: If you define the network in /etc/network/interfaces it will start at boot before you log in.
• 2344[17:37:51] <jhutchins> sharp15: You can disable/remove network-manager if you don't need dynamic networking
• 2345[17:37:54] <jhutchins> !interfaces
• 2346[17:37:55] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 2353[17:39:23] <mdim> hi everyone
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• 2355[17:39:58] <mdim> Does anyone have a working setup for an LXC unprivileged container with a network interface?
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• 2358[17:40:26] <mdim> I read through replaced-url
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• 2361[17:43:12] <makeway> SuperTramp83: am I installing all this wrong or something? Going into themes, I can get the arc theme, but in window decorations, it's lying when it says that it's installed it - it's not showing up.
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• 2363[17:45:08] <sharp15> jhutchins: i guess i'm asking if there is a way to do it and still have it managed by network-manager?
• 2364[17:46:26] <tw> doesn't the network always come up at boot without login?
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• 2370[17:48:48] <ntinos> sharp15: enable NetworkManager systemd service
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• 2372[17:49:09] <ntinos> sharp15: which I think it is done on installation
• 2373[17:50:20] <ntinos> on another note why installing a package automatically enables its service?
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• 2385[17:54:06] <annadane> there's been requests from people to change that for nextstable
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• 2387[17:54:34] <sharp15> tw: not if you configure it with network manager. it comes up at login.
• 2388[17:54:49] <sharp15> tw: or it did the last time i did an install.
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• 2391[17:54:53] <sharp15> i'll try again.
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• 2402[17:57:32] <SuperTramp83> makeway: I use Xfce and just apt installing it and selecting it via the gui menu works just fine. I think it's KDE issue
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• 2405[17:58:41] <sharp15> maybe i'll try. from xfce it isn't even letting me enter my wifi password.
• 2406[17:58:58] <ntinos> SuperTramp83: xfce is gtk based
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• 2428[18:10:24] <f-a> hello. My mum's pc is having problem reconnecting to wifi after lid is closed. It is solved by `rfkill unblock wifi`. But that gets lost after a reboot. How can I automatically invoke it every startup?
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• 2437[18:14:19] <johnkeates> f-a: hook into acpi events
• 2438[18:14:27] <johnkeates> or run a cronjob
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• 2440[18:16:07] <f-a> johnkeates: thanks. can you elaborate a bit on "hook into acpi events"?
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• 2442[18:16:14] <iderik> Is it possible to send "mouse movement"-events so a program detects it but doesnt move the actual cursor on the monitor?
• 2443[18:16:16] <johnkeates> no, sorry, i don't use it
• 2444[18:16:23] <johnkeates> but i know it exists
• 2445[18:16:31] <johnkeates> iderik: yes
• 2446[18:16:37] <johnkeates> but again, id ont know how
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• 2450[18:18:30] <rotaticus> f-a: there is a wakeup part in the hibernate.conf
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• 2455[18:20:44] <rotaticus> f-a: it must be something like /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf or suspend2ram.conf ... in that file should be some commands that are executed when it reawakes
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• 2466[18:23:42] <f-a> johnkeates: no worries!
• 2467[18:24:07] <f-a> rotaticus: good, I'll check now
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• 2513[18:40:38] <Trap-Chan> is there any way when using SSH to log into an already running process?
• 2514[18:41:14] <nec3152> Trap-Chan: is it a console based process (non-GUI)?
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• 2516[18:41:38] <LtL> Trap-Chan: run the process in 'screen' or 'tmux' then re-attach to it
• 2517[18:41:42] <Trap-Chan> erm the BBS i run is.
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• 2519[18:42:08] <Trap-Chan> ok i'm too newb to understand that but i'm guessing that'll give me some words to google to find a walkthrough.
• 2520[18:42:11] <nec3152> LtL: i was about recommend screen or tmux :)
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• 2522[18:42:39] <rotaticus> iderik: xdotool does your job
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• 2529[18:45:34] <ee1> Hi. Quick Question, what's the easiest program for music/video editing on Debian? I'm talking about a program where I can add a picture, and a music line very easy. I'm suffering from quite low RAM on my computerano also, so it needs to be lightweight.
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• 2537[18:47:12] <nec3152> Trap-Chan: replaced-url
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• 2548[18:49:22] <Trap-Chan> nec3152, thanx. Something I wonder. Right now my 2 computers are an HTPC and a headless server so SHH is plenty but eventually when i get a main desktop (using KVM) running linux can the unit itself use the screens? I imagine so.
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• 2551[18:50:53] <LtL> Trap-Chan: you must install screen or tmux but yes anylinux can use them
• 2552[18:50:56] <nec3152> screen is a console tool, not for graphical applications
• 2553[18:51:12] <LtL> Trap-Chan: yes, cli only
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• 2557[18:52:01] <Trap-Chan> yeah figured that much. but if i for whatever reason ssh into my linux machine from my windows one then pop the KVM switch being able to access that apt or whatever from the linux will be something handy. dunno if that's something i'd ever do seems switching would usually just be easier.
• 2558[18:52:21] <jhutchins> sharp15: I don't think NM will bring it up until you log in, although there is a CLI version. There is sometimes an option to make it a system connection, that would bring it up at boot.
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• 2561[18:52:45] <jhutchins> sharp15: Why use NM for a permanent connection though?
• 2562[18:53:45] <AlexLikeRock> recomendations to send mail by PHP
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• 2564[18:54:42] <uxfi> hello all
• 2565[18:54:53] <uxfi> good afternoon
• 2566[18:54:56] <teraflops> jhutchins: you can, it brings connections up, there's no need to log in. e.g centos 7 uses NM by default and it's intended for servers.
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• 2570[18:56:24] <teraflops> nmtui is intended for dealing with it at tty (ncurses), nmcli has nice features too but it's not interactive
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• 2597[19:14:01] <jhutchins> teraflops: Is there a selection for "start at boot" or "system wide" or something?
• 2598[19:14:40] <jhutchins> RedHat (centos) panders to Windows admins.
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• 2600[19:16:16] <teraflops> jhutchins: nope, you just enable the service which is done automatically in debian, systemd has the --now flag too since stretch
• 2601[19:16:41] <AlexLikeRock> what its the program to auto mount
• 2602[19:16:43] <AlexLikeRock> ??
• 2603[19:17:00] <AlexLikeRock> i cant go to other partitions at file explore
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• 2605[19:17:31] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: which DE (if any) are you using there?
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• 2610[19:17:52] <AlexLikeRock> MATE
• 2611[19:17:58] <AlexLikeRock> teraflops, o/
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• 2613[19:18:04] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: hi mate :P
• 2614[19:18:14] <makeway> Um... what's debian supposed to look like when packaged with xfce on first bootup? Cause I just loaded it up and there's no... menu bars... or anything at all
• 2615[19:18:20] <makeway> Just desktop icons
• 2616[19:18:24] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: I think there's a gvfs thingy for mate too
• 2617[19:18:42] <annadane> makeway, you should have a panel at the bottom
• 2618[19:18:44] <AlexLikeRock> tanks
• 2619[19:18:52] <annadane> and a taskbar at the top
• 2620[19:18:53] <makeway> It's not there
• 2621[19:18:56] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: so if you open file browser it deals with it
• 2622[19:18:59] <makeway> That either.
• 2623[19:19:16] <annadane> hm
• 2624[19:19:22] <annadane> strange
• 2625[19:19:29] <makeway> Strange indeed
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• 2627[19:19:38] <annadane> post a screenshot..?
• 2628[19:19:43] <teraflops> first time it starts it asks you IIRC
• 2629[19:19:53] <makeway> Asks me what?
• 2630[19:20:01] <teraflops> about menus and bars
• 2631[19:20:14] <annadane> it asks you if you want an empty panel or default config
• 2632[19:20:18] <AlexLikeRock> makeway, install xfce-goodies or some like that
• 2633[19:20:22] <teraflops> so it asks .P
• 2634[19:20:48] <iderik> rotaticus: thanks!!! i tried to create a virtual device and send to that, but it also moved my mouse cursor on the screen. any idea how xdo does it? trying to find something similar for python or c++
• 2635[19:20:55] <AlexLikeRock> makeway, aptitude install xfce4-goodies
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• 2637[19:21:15] <annadane> you should have a taskbar without goodies though
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• 2639[19:21:27] <AlexLikeRock> annadane, yeah ,
• 2640[19:21:32] <cruncher> you dont need ggoodies to see the panel
• 2641[19:21:35] <AlexLikeRock> reinstall xfce4
• 2642[19:21:46] <cruncher> reinstalling will not help either
• 2643[19:21:51] <mmm_> Hi. A little help please. I am upgrading from jessie to stretch. I got a msg saying "video card is not supported by nvidia-driver. You need nvidia-legacy-340xx or nouveau. Use update-glx to switch. Do you want to install nvidia-driver?" - I said "no" and dist-upgrade were interrupted with err. Now apt-get shows big list with unmet dependencies and recommend "try apt --fix-broken install". What is the best way to continue?
• 2644[19:21:53] <AlexLikeRock> makeway,
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• 2646[19:22:12] <makeway> Well shit so what am I doing? Installing the goodies? Not doing that?
• 2647[19:22:14] <cruncher> you can remove the config folder, then it will ask you again at first login
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• 2649[19:22:35] <makeway> Nice, where's that?
• 2650[19:22:47] <cruncher> and i mean only the xfce config folder, not whole ~/.config
• 2651[19:22:52] <makeway> Yeah, that's what I mean
• 2652[19:22:53] <makeway> WHere?
• 2653[19:23:09] <makeway> Also do I have to add myself to the sudoers file every single time I install a linux distro?
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• 2656[19:23:24] <apollo13> makeway: no, depends on how you installed it
• 2657[19:23:25] <xdxdxx> hi
• 2658[19:23:26] <annadane> if you're root you shouldn't need to
• 2659[19:23:30] <ntinos> makeway: depends on distro
• 2660[19:23:31] <xdxdxx> anyone is using XFCE? plz help!
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• 2662[19:23:38] <makeway> If I'm root?
• 2663[19:23:42] <annadane> xdxdxx, just ask your question
• 2664[19:23:43] <makeway> Like, if I choose root?
• 2665[19:23:48] <makeway> Or if I log in as root...?
• 2666[19:23:49] <xdxdxx> anyone is using XFCE? plz help!
• 2667[19:23:51] <makeway> Is that even possible?
• 2668[19:23:53] <annadane> xdxdxx, also #debian-offtopic is not a support channel
• 2669[19:24:04] <xdxdxx> annadane: relax
• 2670[19:24:16] <cruncher> makeway, ~/.config/xfce4
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• 2672[19:24:30] <annadane> no, don't tell me to relax. i am telling you what the rules are. now go ahead and ask your question about xfce
• 2673[19:24:35] <teraflops> makeway: my xfce4-fu is rubbish, that said I'd give a try to install xfce goodies, and after removing the xfce4 stuff at ~/. starting it again
• 2674[19:25:34] <makeway> It didn't question me when I logged back in.
• 2675[19:26:04] <teraflops> did you remove anything?
• 2676[19:26:21] <johnkeates> anyone using multipath tcp in debian?
• 2677[19:26:25] <makeway> Yeah, I removed the xfce4 folder in ~/.config
• 2678[19:26:33] <teraflops> makeway: maybe you need to remove the stuff while xorg is not running
• 2679[19:26:53] <makeway> And.. as a beginner... how would I do that?
• 2680[19:27:47] <vlt> Hello. I know that Debian 6 is not maintained anymore but that’s the exact reason for my question: Have there been any known security issues since the last update to Squeeze that could be exploitable from remote when the only open ports are 53 and 67 run by dnsmasq?
• 2681[19:27:50] <teraflops> makeway: also replaced-url
• 2682[19:27:51] <ntinos> hmm, how you installed xfce4?
• 2683[19:28:01] <mmm_> annadane - can you give me advice? First time get that err with apt.
• 2684[19:28:16] <annadane> mmm_, well, as it said, try apt --fix-broken install
• 2685[19:28:20] <xdxdxx> mmm_: which error?
• 2686[19:29:27] <teraflops> ntinos: so you clicked cancel I guess :P
• 2687[19:29:38] <teraflops> ooops I meant makeway sorry ntinos
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• 2689[19:30:09] <mmm_> annadane - it stopped in middle of dist-upgrade. Is this the right step? I wish I can install nvidia-legacy-34xx... and then continue the dist-upgrade process.
• 2690[19:30:39] <joel135> Hi, I have debian jessie installed in an android app. So, my architecture is arm. I guess that is why some packages are not available in the apt repositories. I want to install agda but it depends on agda-bin and libghc-agda-dev, which do not exist for me, though ghc does exist and that's what's making me optimistic. What do I need to follow to compile the packages myself and register them with apt?
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• 2692[19:30:44] <cruncher> makeway, just delete the folder while not running xorg, then easiest is to reboot
• 2693[19:30:44] <annadane> makeway, you can try accessing a virtual terminal - ctrl + alt + f1-f6, and then try rmdir ~/.config/xfce43
• 2694[19:30:48] <annadane> xfce4*
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• 2696[19:31:11] <annadane> yeah, reboot first
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• 2698[19:31:57] <xdxdxx> is XFCE4 stable?
• 2699[19:32:16] <annadane> yes?
• 2700[19:32:18] <LtL> xdxdxx: yes
• 2701[19:32:25] <xdxdxx> why yes? are you using it?
• 2702[19:32:31] <annadane> ...
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• 2705[19:32:46] <annadane> i have used it in the past... but if it comes packaged with debian stable chances are it's pretty stable
• 2706[19:33:22] <xdxdxx> liar!
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• 2710[19:34:37] <xdxdxx> anyone with XFCE? open terminal does ctrl+shift+n works? and ctrl+shift+t works?
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• 2715[19:35:09] <xdxdxx> plzzz
• 2716[19:35:20] <annadane> xdxdxx, you *need to be patient if you ask a support question*
• 2717[19:35:21] <teraflops> xdxdxx: again, youre asking things the wrong way
• 2718[19:35:35] <xdxdxx> please stop attack me
• 2719[19:35:36] <apollo13> xdxdxx: beeing annoying like that will just result in people ignoring you
• 2720[19:35:52] <teraflops> describe your issue, give as much details as you can and do not make polls
• 2721[19:35:58] <xdxdxx> i dont tell you how to eat
• 2722[19:36:13] <apollo13> luckily, you wouldn't be good at it *shrug*
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• 2725[19:36:47] <xdxdxx> Does anyone with XFCE? In terminal does the combination ctrl+shift+t, ctrl+shift+n works for you? Mine don't..
• 2726[19:36:48] <annadane> we're all volunteers. if someone knows the answer to your question they'll answer it. saying "plzzzzz" will not speed that up and will result in negative backlash like this
• 2727[19:37:32] <xdxdxx> annadane: i get it man i was there too i just having problem with xfce so plz stop attack me .. there is different ways to kill person
• 2728[19:37:49] <apollo13> stop beeing paranoid, noone is attacking you
• 2729[19:37:51] <teraflops> xdxdxx: anyone using x or y? ← wrong. ctrl + shift + tab does not work under xfce4, any clue? ← right
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• 2731[19:38:10] <xdxdxx> IF YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH HOW I TYPE PLEASE PM ME NOT ALL THE WORLD NEED TO SEE IT
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• 2734[19:38:19] <teraflops> xD
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• 2736[19:38:36] <teraflops> holy cow…
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• 2738[19:38:48] <xdxdxx> annadane: is always pinging me it's annoying!
• 2739[19:38:55] <cruncher> this seems interesting.. i wonder if i should unignore him
• 2740[19:38:58] <SuperTramp83> makeway: just right click on the desktop - applications - settings -panel , and the nadd one
• 2741[19:39:00] <apollo13> xdxdxx: LOL, fix your client then
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• 2744[19:39:23] <xdxdxx> apollo13: im using the web client man
• 2745[19:39:28] <apollo13> so?
• 2746[19:39:32] <xdxdxx> just installed debian and everything is messed up :/
• 2747[19:39:35] * SuperTramp83 happens to be an expertz on Xfce \o/
• 2748[19:39:50] <xdxdxx> I was on VM before and everything worked fine...
• 2749[19:40:06] <xdxdxx> And annadane always ping me for no reason and attack me and it make me stressful
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• 2751[19:40:14] <annadane> for fuck sake
• 2752[19:41:29] <SuperTramp83> annadane: ok, ok, I'm no expert.. no need to point that out :(
• 2753[19:41:35] <xdxdxx> So if anyone can please help me I have many problems with setup but first: ctrl+shift+t, ctrl+shift+n not work in terminal, some keys in firefox. If it matters I have firefox ESR..
• 2754[19:41:42] <annadane> what?
• 2755[19:41:57] <annadane> i wasn't... look, never mind. i'm leaving this discussion
• 2756[19:42:09] <SuperTramp83> annadane: I was just joking
• 2757[19:42:16] <annadane> yeah, fair enough
• 2758[19:42:43] <annadane> now everyone can stop pinging *me*, thanks
• 2759[19:43:01] <m3rlin> xdxdxx: had you try shift+ctrl+T ??
• 2760[19:43:05] <apollo13> annada​ne: you mean like this? :D
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• 2762[19:43:47] <xdxdxx> there is more problems that I check which I think need to install programs because XFCE doesn't supply them but they are not important for now... When I was on VM the key combinations worked fine so it suppose to do something. Also I forgot that ctrl+shift+c not copy and ctrl+shift+v not paste
• 2763[19:44:14] <xdxdxx> I checked in briefly on google about what I said (the key combinations in terminal) and I couldn't find much information..
• 2764[19:44:44] <SuperTramp83> apollo13: no
• 2765[19:44:51] <SuperTramp83> apollo13: like this
• 2766[19:46:16] <m3rlin> xdxdxx: are you checked your keymap?
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• 2768[19:46:46] <teraflops> xdxdxx: check your keyboard layout/locales
• 2769[19:47:24] <xdxdxx> m3rlin: what is that? teraflops: idk i will google it...
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• 2771[19:48:26] <xdxdxx> so do you say I need to config something?
• 2772[19:48:41] <makeway> Sorry for not responding. I tried a bunch of what all of you said, but it didn't result in anything, so I just deleted my non-root user and made it again
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• 2774[19:48:59] <xdxdxx> That's what replaced-url
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• 2777[19:49:14] <teraflops> xdxdxx: good idea, anyway type locale in your terminal and check if it's correct. then go to xfce4 control panel and check keyboard layout fits your locales
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• 2780[19:50:12] <cruncher> makeway, its easy: logout, press ctrl-alt-f1, login, pkill xfconfd, rm ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml, login back to xfce, and you will be asked
• 2781[19:50:28] <xdxdxx> teraflops: everything is correct? that's what i selected on debian installer? I shouldn't do that? I should install english all and then add another keyboard?
• 2782[19:50:29] <cruncher> if you arent, then the problem is the same as the one why you werent asked in the first time
• 2783[19:50:35] <mmm_> annadane: "apt --fix-broken install" is going to remove gnome, gnome-core, and some more, total 34 packages. And after this I am supposed to run dist-upgrade again?
• 2784[19:50:41] <makeway> Well. Cool, I guess I'll remember that, but it's working now.
• 2785[19:50:46] <makeway> Sorry
• 2786[19:50:54] <teraflops> xdxdxx: are you asking my question with "everything is correct?"
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• 2788[19:50:58] <jhutchins> !locale
• 2789[19:50:58] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
• 2790[19:50:59] <teraflops> ^
• 2791[19:51:20] <annadane> mmm_, in that case i'd say don't go ahead with it
• 2792[19:51:25] <xdxdxx> but yo are asking question that is what i selected on debian installer i dont understand what do i need to answer
• 2793[19:51:28] <annadane> i'm assuming you're on gnome
• 2794[19:51:31] <xdxdxx> you*
• 2795[19:51:33] <teraflops> xdxdxx: DE takes care of keyboard layout, so check it out
• 2796[19:51:46] <xdxdxx> i still dont understand you
• 2797[19:51:50] <xdxdxx> i will check these websites
• 2798[19:51:57] <teraflops> sorry mate idk how to explain it better
• 2799[19:52:18] <annadane> mmm_, i'm unsure how to fix your problem
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• 2801[19:52:42] <mmm_> annadane: both, gnome and xfce. How to continue in the best possible way. I am in console (X server is stopped), following the release notes how to upgrade
• 2802[19:53:17] <annadane> it sounds to me like you have a tangled spaghetti mess which i don't know how to begin to untangle, maybe someone else does
• 2803[19:53:26] <mmm_> If anyone have good advice, here again: I am upgrading from jessie to stretch. I got a msg saying "video card is not supported by nvidia-driver. You need nvidia-legacy-340xx or nouveau. Use update-glx to switch. Do you want to install nvidia-driver?" - I said "no" and dist-upgrade were interrupted with err. Now apt-get shows big list with unmet dependencies and recommend "try apt --fix-broken install". What is the best way to continue?
• 2804[19:53:29] <xdxdxx> so it's because i added hebrew to keyboard on debian installer?
• 2805[19:53:46] <annadane> mmm_, you could try installing nvidia-driver like it asked you to
• 2806[19:54:00] <m3rlin> xdxdxx: Just change keyboard layout, preference --> keyboard layout --> US (default choice)
• 2807[19:54:01] <mmm_> how to make apt do that , it is complaining right now
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• 2809[19:54:14] <annadane> actually, better idea
• 2810[19:54:38] <annadane> mmm_, can you post apt's complaints and what you've tried doing, and your output and stuff, to paste.debian.net, that'll give us a much clearer picture
• 2811[19:54:57] <m3rlin> don't forget to logout and try again to login
• 2812[19:55:24] <annadane> oh, wait
• 2813[19:55:29] <annadane> you said you're in console
• 2814[19:55:35] <xdxdxx> m3rlin: it's on system defaults(keyboard layout -> properties -> selected use system defaults)
• 2815[19:55:38] <xdxdxx> so i will check it
• 2816[19:55:40] <mmm_> annadane: if I find some curl/wget example how to post to pastebin from linux console
• 2817[19:55:47] <annadane> right
• 2818[19:55:51] <annadane> sorry
• 2819[19:55:59] <annadane> uh... anyone have any ideas? :P
• 2820[19:56:10] <bachler> anyone here savvy with armel debian, trying to install debian armel on a QNAP nas? anyone?
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• 2823[19:56:34] <xdxdxx> annadane: tell him to pipe to nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2825[19:56:53] <annadane> yes but you can't do that with everything
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• 2827[19:56:56] <mmm_> annadane: I am using script, the dist-upgrade were recorded. Just have to upload it somewhere
• 2828[19:57:12] <annadane> yeah, i mean, there's termbin and pastebinit
• 2829[19:57:16] <xdxdxx> yep
• 2830[19:57:29] <xdxdxx> what i said is the correct one 100% no warranty
• 2831[19:57:46] <annadane> dpkg: tell mmm_ about termbin
• 2832[19:57:53] <m3rlin> xdxdxx: are you sure using US keymap?
• 2833[19:58:13] <xdxdxx> m3rlin: im checking this stuff atm..
• 2834[19:58:19] <m3rlin> xdxdxx: if you done configure it, try logout and login again
• 2835[19:58:26] <xdxdxx> not done yet..
• 2836[19:58:32] <xdxdxx> im not that fast
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• 2838[19:59:21] <annadane> mmm_, you should have received a pm from dpkg, not sure if you can see that on console
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• 2840[19:59:56] <mmm_> thanks
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• 2843[20:00:15] <sharp15> debian (might have been ubuntu) used to run a menu populating script when the menus were activated. is it still doing this? i have this horrible lag problem even in LXDE/XFCE.
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• 2846[20:01:12] <teraflops> mmm_: ptpb is ok too, curl -F c=@/path/to/a/file replaced-url
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• 2848[20:01:48] <iderik> Is it possible to send "mouse movement"-events so a program detects it, but doesnt move the actual cursor on the screen?
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• 2853[20:05:20] <Tom01> I think so.
• 2854[20:05:29] <mmm_> annadane: teraflops: Here the apt complains: replaced-url
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• 2856[20:06:18] <teraflops> mmm_: ptpb admits ~100 MB
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• 2858[20:06:44] <iderik> Tom01: do you know how?
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• 2860[20:08:23] <xdxdxx> mmm_: are you playing games?
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• 2863[20:08:48] <mmm_> teraflops: replaced-url
• 2864[20:08:52] <xdxdxx> on debian**
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• 2868[20:09:52] <teraflops> mmm_: oh, heh I as just pointing to a sane pastebin site that admits decent upload size, not really awara at what your issue was
• 2869[20:10:00] <teraflops> aware^
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• 2871[20:10:12] <Tom01> iderik: You have to write an Inputhandler that processes the Input events and discards them.
• 2872[20:10:20] <xdxdxx> mmm_: why do you have nvidia software on debian? Are you playing games?
• 2873[20:10:29] <mmm_> teraflops: last lines/pages from that recording are after installation stopped. You can search for "GeForce 9600" to find where dist-upgrade stopped
• 2874[20:11:17] <teraflops> xdxdxx: youre making polls again…
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• 2877[20:11:53] <teraflops> !polls
• 2878[20:11:53] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
• 2879[20:12:13] <xdxdxx> im asking him. what polls man this irc. why does he need nvidia software? because i have nvidia graphics but im afraid of some BSOD linux like i was with windows
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• 2881[20:12:41] <xdxdxx> !bad pools
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• 2884[20:12:58] <murdoc`> I've used nvidia on Linux for hashing.
• 2885[20:12:59] <mmm_> teraflops: I can paste my question again if you want :) . xdxdxx - I do, when my PC works :)
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• 2888[20:13:33] <xdxdxx> mmm_: what is your problem?
• 2889[20:13:35] <teraflops> mmm_: sure, but I'm not sure if I can help you though
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• 2893[20:16:19] <annadane> "I am upgrading from jessie to stretch. I got a msg saying "video card is not supported by nvidia-driver. You need nvidia-legacy-340xx or nouveau. Use update-glx to switch. Do you want to install nvidia-driver?" - I said "no" and dist-upgrade were interrupted with err. Now apt-get shows big list with unmet dependencies and recommend "try apt --fix-broken install". What is the best way to continue?"
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• 2895[20:17:19] <mmm_> If anyone can help or advice: I am upgrading from jessie to stretch. Dist-upgrade stopped before installation of nvidia driver. You can read the msg here near test "GeForce 9600": replaced-url
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• 2897[20:17:43] <mmm_> annadane: thanks :)
• 2898[20:18:28] <LtL> ‘/part ##nvz
• 2899[20:18:34] <LtL> oops
• 2900[20:18:40] <teraflops> ^
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• 2902[20:19:06] <mmm_> Actually "apt --fix-broken install" shows this -> replaced-url
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• 2904[20:22:30] <xdxdxx> so m3rlin help me and i will report if i will have time if it fixed
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• 2908[20:23:07] <iderik> Tom01: where am i suppose to discard them? isnt it possible to "bypass" the que which kernel listens to and directly send to the application somehow?
• 2909[20:23:13] <xdxdxx> what he offered me was going to keyboard settings and on the layout remove the tick of system settings and on layout tab I added my second language i will update
• 2910[20:23:34] <xdxdxx> although on debian installer i selected toggle key but probably XFCE override it?
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• 2912[20:23:55] <Tom01> iderik: In the Inputhandler.
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• 2920[20:29:47] <mmm_> annadane: maybe I can manually download and install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver usign dpkg? and then try to continue dist-upgrade?
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• 2923[20:30:42] <annadane> mmm_, possible. i'm hesitant to give you advice that would break your system more, which is why i'd like someone who knows more to answer
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• 2925[20:31:53] <annadane> i notice it tells you to update-glx to switch so if that doesn't work you could switch back in theory
• 2926[20:34:59] <cruncher> mmm_, i didnt follow all your story, but what is the output of "apt-get -f install"? and what is the problem? cant install nvidia-driver?
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• 2931[20:36:18] <mmm_> cruncher: Current apt complains: "apt install nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver": replaced-url
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• 2934[20:37:06] <mmm_> cruncher: I said "no" and stopped the installer. I think the installer message is wrong actually.
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• 2936[20:37:59] <cruncher> mmm_, ok, now what says "apt-get -f install"? and please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2940[20:38:41] <mmm_> cruncher: Apt auto fix suggestions: "apt --fix-broken install": replaced-url
• 2941[20:39:28] <cruncher> mmm_, you are not listening. 3rd time: what does "apt-get -f install" say (NOT apt --fix-broken install)
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• 2943[20:40:12] <mmm_> cruncher: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list": replaced-url
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• 2945[20:40:32] <mmm_> sorry, I were thinkging it is the same. Sorry
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• 2949[20:42:16] <jhutchins> I wish you could use DMM like backports, install just a specific package.
• 2950[20:42:24] <mmm_> cruncher: "apt -f install": replaced-url
• 2951[20:43:00] <annadane> i suspect you may need to apt upgrade first (but again not sure)
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• 2957[20:46:20] <annadane> really i'd almost say if you have backups it's easier to just reinstall stretch at this point
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• 2960[20:48:03] <whathtle> hello, what's the package to enable java from browser in chrome or firefox?
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• 2964[20:48:37] <annadane> whathtle, icedtea-plugin, probably
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• 2967[20:48:54] <johnkeates> most browsers have banned java plugins
• 2968[20:49:07] <xdxdxx> java == virus
• 2969[20:49:13] <johnkeates> so even if you could get it working now, it will definitely be gone in the future
• 2970[20:49:21] <whathtle> annadane: does it work with firefox esr 45.7.0?
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• 2972[20:49:23] <xdxdxx> also flash will be gone too
• 2973[20:49:26] <johnkeates> xdxdxx: no, java is great, it's oracle and the java applets that are evil
• 2974[20:49:27] <xdxdxx> only google will remain
• 2975[20:49:28] <annadane> should...
• 2976[20:49:47] <annadane> ,v icedtea-plugin
• 2977[20:49:48] <judd> Package: icedtea-plugin on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4-3~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.4-3~deb7u3; jessie: 1.5.3-1; buster: 1.6.2-3.1; sid: 1.6.2-3.1; stretch: 1.6.2-3.1
• 2978[20:49:48] <xdxdxx> oracle is not evil
• 2979[20:49:49] <teraflops> johnkeates: huh?
• 2980[20:49:50] <johnkeates> esr 45 still suppors plugins
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• 2983[20:50:03] <xdxdxx> they are maintaining virtualbox
• 2984[20:50:06] <annadane> esr 45 is in stretch so it should be supported
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• 2986[20:50:47] <teraflops> afaik _outdated_ java versions are the problem
• 2987[20:51:07] <mmm_> maybe I can simply go with "apt -f install" and reinstall again all that were manually installed (not auto)
• 2988[20:51:07] <xdxdxx> What is your favorite PDF reader?
• 2989[20:51:25] <xdxdxx> wrong channel
• 2990[20:51:29] <mmm_> I just hope it end with success so I can continue with dist-upgrade after that
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• 2996[20:52:21] <makeway> When doing apt-get upgrade, what does it mean for a package to be kept back?
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• 2999[20:52:33] <nkuttler> !kept back
• 3000[20:52:33] <dpkg> from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also replaced-url
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• 3003[20:53:12] <makeway> Thanks, full upgrade solved it
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• 3009[20:56:19] <mmm_> cruncher: do you have any suggestions for me?
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• 3014[20:59:57] <cruncher> mmm_, whats the ouput on apt remove nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver?
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• 3019[21:01:43] <mmm_> cruncher: I do not have that installed. Apt print the same complains.
• 3020[21:02:55] <mmm_> cruncher: I have nvidia-driver. Dist-upgrade wanted to install nvidia-legacy-375... Nvidia installer (probably) told I need nvidia-legacy-340, so and I clicked "no".
• 3021[21:03:02] <cruncher> mmm_, well, i dont know why have so many old ABI as dependencies as first.
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• 3023[21:03:43] <cruncher> mmm_, and in the worst case, you can go ahead with what apt suggests, and then install them afterwards back (gnome-task-desktop would probably even be enough)
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• 3025[21:03:58] <mmm_> I do not know what is ABI. But maybe because no one video driver is present there and it is confused?
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• 3027[21:04:30] <mmm_> The other idea is - use dpkg and force install nvidia-legacy-340xx - and continue with apt after that?
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• 3030[21:05:05] <cruncher> no, dpkg would complain about the state of the db
• 3031[21:05:25] <cruncher> just go ahead, and install the packages that are removed again
• 3032[21:05:39] <cruncher> nothign too fancy anyway, and its the easiest solution
• 3033[21:06:09] <mmm_> but dpkg have "force" options... cruncher - apt will remove 34 package. 28 are marked as manual install (not sure why)
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• 3035[21:06:21] <mmm_> ok, if nothing else, I go with apt -f then?
• 3036[21:06:42] <cruncher> mmm_, there is a nice factoid about not playing WITH dpkg, but against :)
• 3037[21:06:52] <cruncher> resp. the other way
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• 3039[21:06:58] <cruncher> dont use dpkg --force
• 3040[21:07:03] <mmm_> :)
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• 3044[21:09:17] <mmm_> Never say "no" to nvidia :D - The same question popup and I told "yes" this time :)
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• 3048[21:10:25] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 3055[21:16:57] <cybrNaut> getting a 404 not found error on => Err replaced-url
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• 3057[21:17:30] <cybrNaut> do i need to update sources.list to point to obsolete stuff?
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• 3065[21:21:33] <johnkeates> cybrNaut: no, it might simply not be on that server anymore, check with an archive or snapshot server, they keep the old crap :)
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• 3071[21:24:11] <cybrNaut> johnkeates: ok, thanks
• 3072[21:24:28] <noqnio1> Hey. How can a package be on oldstable, stable and unstable but not on testing?
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• 3074[21:26:30] <johnkeates> noqnio1: it might not has passed unstable yet
• 3075[21:26:30] <cybrNaut> i seem to recall that I shouldn't even use a mirror.. that mirroring is automatic
• 3076[21:26:45] <johnkeates> cybrNaut: true, use snapshot or archive, both are debian sites
• 3077[21:27:06] <cybrNaut> johnkeates: what's the URL?
• 3078[21:27:12] <noqnio1> johnkeates: yes but it is on stable and oldstable.
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• 3081[21:28:18] <johnkeates> noqnio1: there is no need for a package to be in a lower level, there can be gaps
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• 3083[21:28:30] <johnkeates> noqnio1: for example, because it wasn't maintained, or because there was no compatible version
• 3084[21:28:37] <cybrNaut> ah.. snapshot.debian.org
• 3085[21:28:41] <johnkeates> cybrNaut: yeah, that one, sorry
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• 3088[21:29:17] <johnkeates> cybrNaut: you have to browse to a specific point in time, but then you can use it as an apt repo, or, if you only need 1 package, just download it manually and dpkg -i it
• 3089[21:29:31] <makeway> I'm trying to add Win10 to GRUB through debian. What's the name of the partition that boots Win10 by default?
• 3090[21:29:44] <johnkeates> keep in mind that mixing and matching packages accross realeses probably puts your install in a mixed state
• 3091[21:30:01] <cybrNaut> i just want the latest jessie
• 3092[21:30:09] <johnkeates> makeway: not sure if it has a name, but it's the first one with the bootloader and sometimes there is a second one if it's a WIMBOOT
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• 3094[21:30:29] <teraflops> makeway: do you have os-prober installed?
• 3095[21:30:45] <makeway> I should have os-prober right? let me run it
• 3096[21:30:55] <makeway> It didn't do anything
• 3097[21:30:58] <teraflops> is not about running it
• 3098[21:31:09] <makeway> Oh?
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• 3102[21:31:50] <teraflops> update-grub shouls detect your windows installation
• 3103[21:31:56] <teraflops> should^
• 3104[21:32:21] <cybrNaut> March 2016 seems to be the latest jessie in archive. I thought stretch was just released this year
• 3105[21:32:41] <makeway> It found my linux image and an... initrd image
• 3106[21:33:12] <makeway> Wait so
• 3107[21:33:20] <teraflops> makeway: so where is your windows installation? same disk, different one?
• 3108[21:33:20] <makeway> No, that's both for debian right?
• 3109[21:33:30] <makeway> Same disk.
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• 3111[21:33:38] <makeway> Seperate partitions obs
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• 3113[21:34:28] <teraflops> also, you just installed it right now? or the other way around (you installed debian recently)
• 3114[21:34:57] <makeway> Yeah, I just installed Debian - I shrunk the Windows partition to make room
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• 3116[21:35:35] <teraflops> sometimes I think people believe we have crystal balls here and we already know all the details :S
• 3117[21:36:00] <teraflops> makeway: BIOS+MBR or UEFI?
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• 3119[21:36:06] <makeway> UEFI
• 3120[21:36:14] <psychoghost> Hello question ppl
• 3121[21:36:19] <makeway> Sorry man, I'm very new at this so I'm not entirely sure what info is relevant.
• 3122[21:37:06] <psychoghost> How come the buster net install default to gnome desktop?
• 3123[21:37:12] <teraflops> makeway: did the installer ask you where to put the efi fw for grub?
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• 3125[21:37:25] <makeway> The installer for debian?
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• 3127[21:37:33] <teraflops> psychoghost: it has to default to something…
• 3128[21:37:34] <psychoghost> Or it's another channel I have to ask?
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• 3130[21:37:49] <teraflops> they decided to be gnome
• 3131[21:38:00] <psychoghost> So no kde
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• 3133[21:38:11] <teraflops> you can install kde while in the installer
• 3134[21:38:21] <teraflops> just select it^
• 3135[21:38:38] <psychoghost> The net installation I picked kde and it always default to gnome
• 3136[21:38:38] <teraflops> kde or whatever
• 3137[21:38:44] <teraflops> nope
• 3138[21:39:12] <teraflops> psychoghost: I dont think so, it default to gnome if you do not select any other DE explicitly
• 3139[21:39:18] <teraflops> defaults
• 3140[21:40:04] <teraflops> psychoghost: what did you pick when prompted at install software?
• 3141[21:40:07] <psychoghost> I'm so serious I I tested if it was an issue with kde I chose cinnamon also and it defaults to gnome
• 3142[21:40:10] <teraflops> again
• 3143[21:40:12] <teraflops> psychoghost: what did you pick when prompted at install software?
• 3144[21:41:03] <psychoghost> I selected all my settings and stuff then when I chose a desktop I chose kde but after it finished it was gnome
• 3145[21:41:06] <makeway> teraflops: in the installer for debian, it asked where to... I think it was where to set up grub. And I chose the disk with windows installed - It mentioned something about corrupting an OS if it didn't find one, but windows is fine. I can boot into both through the boot manager thing in my bios as if they're separate disks.
• 3146[21:41:22] <teraflops> is the official installer? the stretch one?
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• 3148[21:41:46] <psychoghost> Testong
• 3149[21:41:51] <psychoghost> Testing *
• 3150[21:42:00] <teraflops> well, is called testing for reasons
• 3151[21:42:31] <psychoghost> OK yes must be a bug
• 3152[21:42:34] <teraflops> psychoghost: maybe people at #debian-next know more about your issue
• 3153[21:42:45] <teraflops> !debian-next
• 3154[21:42:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3155[21:42:45] <psychoghost> OK I will try
• 3156[21:42:58] <teraflops> makeway: wait
• 3157[21:43:05] <psychoghost> Oh
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• 3161[21:43:25] <teraflops> did you just picked your windows partition?
• 3162[21:43:46] <cruncher> psychoghost, so you are sying you installed kde, but you can only login to gnome?
• 3163[21:43:46] <psychoghost> Its invite only hmm
• 3164[21:44:08] <cruncher> but yeah, go to #debian-next first (on oftc)
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• 3166[21:44:14] <makeway> teraflops: Picked it for the install of debian? No.
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• 3170[21:44:31] <teraflops> psychoghost: read it again
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• 3173[21:44:48] <psychoghost> I picked kde on the net install and it defaults to gnome
• 3174[21:45:30] <johnkeates> that's because we know whats best
• 3175[21:45:39] <johnkeates> KDE sucks, Gnome is the boss, deal with it
• 3176[21:45:42] <johnkeates> :p
• 3177[21:45:47] <psychoghost> I'll just install stable then lol
• 3178[21:45:48] * annadane glares
• 3179[21:45:49] <johnkeates> hehehe
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• 3181[21:46:08] <teraflops> makeway: no, paste the output of disk -l /dev/sdX to a sane pastebin site
• 3182[21:46:09] <johnkeates> i think the issue was probably with the weird desktop base vs. kde desktop metapacakge
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• 3184[21:46:22] <teraflops> where X stands for your actual letter
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• 3186[21:46:58] <psychoghost> I really like kde
• 3187[21:46:58] <teraflops> psychoghost: or install testing barebones and then use apt to install whatever you want
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• 3189[21:47:16] <teraflops> maybe it's just a bug in the testing installer
• 3190[21:47:45] <psychoghost> Maybe I tried other environments and it defaults to gnome
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• 3193[21:47:56] <cruncher> no, i think the problem lies somewhere else, resp. there is no "problem" at all
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• 3195[21:48:08] <cruncher> but we are waiting on #debian-next ;-)
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• 3198[21:48:45] <trek00> anyone know if Xorg can run without root privileges in debian Jessie?
• 3199[21:48:48] <makeway> Wait, teraflops, what do you want me to do? I don't understand what pasting that will show you
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• 3201[21:48:59] <makeway> Did you mean fdisk?
• 3202[21:49:09] <cruncher> but ok, before trouble shooting, in general, psychoghost, why do you think it "defaults" to gnome?
• 3203[21:49:10] <teraflops> makeway: for what I read you it look like you deleted your windows installation
• 3204[21:49:16] <teraflops> looks
• 3205[21:49:19] <makeway> I didn't
• 3206[21:49:24] <makeway> I can still boot into it
• 3207[21:49:27] <teraflops> so I want to see if there is windows partitions
• 3208[21:49:30] <teraflops> ok
• 3209[21:49:31] <makeway> There are
• 3210[21:49:38] <makeway> You want me to do fdisk -l maybe?
• 3211[21:49:43] <teraflops> nah
• 3212[21:49:50] <makeway> Ok...?
• 3213[21:50:09] <teraflops> yeah if yu say your windows is till there it's ok for me too :P
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• 3216[21:50:27] <psychoghost> Well cruncher
• 3217[21:50:39] <teraflops> still, heck I'll hit this keyb with a hammer
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• 3220[21:51:06] <psychoghost> I picked other environments but everytime it just go's to gnome
• 3221[21:51:16] <cruncher> makeway, still, a fdisk -l would be good to see
• 3222[21:51:18] <teraflops> makeway: so if you have os-prober installed I think it should detect your windows installation
• 3223[21:51:20] <makeway> Well there's the win recovery env partition, the EFI system, "Microsoft reserved" and Microsoft basic data" all listed as partitions, and the I assumed if I knew which one booted windows, I'd be able to pass that to a grub install command
• 3224[21:51:21] <psychoghost> I tested the testing
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• 3226[21:51:25] <psychoghost> Lol
• 3227[21:51:29] <cruncher> psychoghost, where do you "pick" them
• 3228[21:51:49] <psychoghost> I picked it on the net installer
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• 3230[21:51:58] <psychoghost> It asked so I selected
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• 3233[21:52:24] <cruncher> yeah, ok, so you selected kde.. and now, that debian booted up after installation, why you say "defaults" to gnome?
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• 3238[21:52:54] <psychoghost> Because when it booted it was gnome it wasn't kde
• 3239[21:52:59] <makeway> cruncher teraflops pastebin.com/Mw4SdZPJ this is sudo fdisk -l
• 3240[21:53:00] <teraflops> makeway: if you mount debian esp to windows efi partition grub should detect it
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• 3243[21:53:24] <teraflops> makeway: iirc that's what the installer does, not sure though
• 3244[21:53:25] <makeway> Ok, could you walk me through a little bit of what you mean there?
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• 3247[21:54:16] <cruncher> psychoghost, exactly thats what i mean.. what makes you think "its gnome" when you boot? the login screen? did you select the DE to login to?
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• 3250[21:55:07] <teraflops> makeway: replaced-url
• 3251[21:55:28] <psychoghost> The environment was not kde I checked under information and it says if it's gnome kde or whatever and It was gnome
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• 3255[21:56:18] <teraflops> makeway: 1) in which univrse pastebim.com is a sane pastebin? 2) some of us cannot even click an url missing the xxx:// bits :P
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• 3257[21:56:39] <cruncher> psychoghost, just enter "tasksel".. what DE's can you see?
• 3258[21:56:43] <teraflops> also forgive my typos :P
• 3259[21:56:55] <cruncher> resp. are installed?
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• 3262[21:57:55] <psychoghost> I dont have testing installed I'm on arch kde now since debían testing has this issue
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• 3264[21:58:09] <cruncher> lol
• 3265[21:58:10] <psychoghost> I uninstalled it
• 3266[21:58:20] <cruncher> psychoghost, well, then i cant help you :)
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• 3269[21:58:34] <DelfinSinFin> who use nano?
• 3270[21:58:39] <psychoghost> It was gnome trust me
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• 3272[21:58:51] <psychoghost> Nano is the editor
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• 3276[21:59:17] <psychoghost> I'll go to stable debían I miss debian
• 3277[21:59:31] <psychoghost> Arch isn't for me
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• 3279[21:59:46] <psychoghost> Love debian
• 3280[21:59:56] <DelfinSinFin> love debian and arch
• 3281[22:00:09] <cruncher> psychoghost, nothign against you, but i think you misclicked something or so
• 3282[22:00:17] <trek00> psychoghost: have you tried to uninstall gnome and install kde with aptitude or synaptic?
• 3283[22:00:21] <cruncher> i think you should give debian again a try ;-)
• 3284[22:00:23] <DelfinSinFin> nano is funny
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• 3286[22:01:05] <psychoghost> Yes every time I install any other I'm always going back to debian
• 3287[22:01:22] <psychoghost> I'll go to stable
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• 3289[22:01:39] <psychoghost> Really hope for 4.12 kernel
• 3290[22:01:52] <DelfinSinFin> nano > emacs
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• 3292[22:01:58] <teraflops> ,kernels
• 3293[22:01:59] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc7-686-pae (4.13~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports:
• 3294[22:02:00] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
• 3295[22:02:00] <DelfinSinFin> hehehaha
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• 3299[22:03:10] <psychoghost> We in stable need patches too lol jk
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• 3301[22:03:39] <cruncher> DelfinSinFin, what is your question with nano?
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• 3304[22:04:27] <psychoghost> OK I'll try to video the testing installer and click on the info again to see if it replicates
• 3305[22:04:28] <annadane> DelfinSinFin, i suggest #debian-offtopic
• 3306[22:05:22] <psychoghost> I'll upload to YouTube to show you cruncher
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• 3310[22:05:53] <DelfinSinFin> ; -; I love nano editor... on debian...
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• 3316[22:08:43] <annadane> if you have a nano support question you can ask it here or any other support question
• 3317[22:08:50] <annadane> relating to debian stable
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• 3319[22:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1674
• 3320[22:09:52] <psychoghost> How can I get the debían testing invitation?
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• 3322[22:09:59] <Tom01> I am going to install Debian testing.
• 3323[22:10:03] <psychoghost> I want to be involved
• 3324[22:10:17] <DelfinSinFin> <3 thank you
• 3325[22:10:22] <Tom01> Debian stable is too outdated.
• 3326[22:10:31] <annadane> psychoghost, what do you mean invitation
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• 3328[22:10:49] <psychoghost> It says invitation only
• 3329[22:11:09] <makeway> Alright, um... teraflops, what do I do now? Like, I guess I did this all wrong or something, but everything's bootable. I just was hoping there was a way to get a decent boot screen like GRUB gives on startup with both debian and Windows.
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• 3331[22:11:30] <teraflops> psychoghost: are you sure you dont want to /connect irc.oftc.net and then /join #debian-next
• 3332[22:11:30] <annadane> psychoghost, #debian-next?
• 3333[22:11:35] <teraflops> I ws asking
• 3334[22:11:36] <annadane> yeah, it's on oftc
• 3335[22:11:48] <annadane> not freenode
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• 3337[22:12:27] <psychoghost> OK
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• 3341[22:13:24] <psychoghost> Got to it
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• 3350[22:19:49] <ryouma> is lvm2 normally installed? i purged it. i just want to make sure that it is common to have it not installed, becaue that will help ensure that initramfs and similar things will be well-tested with it not installed.
• 3351[22:20:00] <teraflops> makeway: can you still boot your windows from UEFI firmware menu directly?
• 3352[22:20:04] <ryouma> (i use jessie currently)
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• 3356[22:20:43] <makeway> Dude, I can boot windows - that's all I know.
• 3357[22:20:50] <makeway> If I turn on my pc it goes to windows
• 3358[22:21:12] <makeway> If I want debian, I press f11 on startup to go to my boot options thing and then I select the separate one that goes to debian
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• 3360[22:21:25] <makeway> I really couldn't tell you what any of it is or why it works, but it does
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• 3365[22:24:13] <DerLGm> makeway: why not
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• 3369[22:25:03] <makeway> DerLGm: Cause I'm ignorant?
• 3370[22:25:07] <makeway> I don't know what it does.
• 3371[22:25:10] <makeway> Or why.
• 3372[22:25:25] <DerLGm> makeway: why not learn?
• 3373[22:25:31] <makeway> I'M TRYING
• 3374[22:25:36] <makeway> That's why I'm here
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• 3377[22:25:50] <DerLGm> ahhh
• 3378[22:25:54] <makeway> That's why I'm trying to get help from all of you - cause I need it ;P
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• 3382[22:26:33] <DerLGm> have you tried turning it off and on? jk
• 3383[22:27:06] <makeway> Well, I mean, everything works. There's no problem other than the odd way I have to boot debian through...
• 3384[22:27:16] <manyak> you mean have you reconfigure the primary power couplings
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• 3389[22:28:11] <teraflops> makeway: then how do you boot debian?
• 3390[22:28:27] <BlackFerdyPT> Hi, everyone. Which package should I install to allow Flash applications to run in Firefox?
• 3391[22:28:31] <teraflops> manyak: are you sure is not related to windows fast boot thingy
• 3392[22:28:33] <teraflops> ?
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• 3395[22:29:07] <makeway> I turn on my pc, then press f11 to get the boot options, then select the disk that has both my debian and windows thing on it - it boots to debian then. But if I just turn on my pc, it boots to windows.
• 3396[22:29:30] <ryouma> boot sequence?
• 3397[22:29:43] <teraflops> makeway: I'm clueless at this point since the only way I dual boot windows/linux is using systemd-boot
• 3398[22:29:56] <manyak> teraflops: it's a star trek thing. Watch star trek tng some time.
• 3399[22:30:00] <teraflops> xD
• 3400[22:30:10] <makeway> teraflops: what is that and how do you do it?
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• 3403[22:30:35] <teraflops> makeway: but it all depends on where did you mount the grub efi partition
• 3404[22:30:38] <ryouma> are priority optional packages typically not installed when you install debian?
• 3405[22:30:44] <teraflops> the easy way is picking the windows esp
• 3406[22:31:09] <teraflops> so grub can see the windows efi file there
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• 3408[22:31:21] <eventhorizon> BlackFerdyPT: first install the flashplugin-nonfree package, then download Flash manually from the Flash website (since the plugin package doesn't seem to download properly), and put libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/
• 3409[22:31:36] <makeway> Alright, that's where I'm getting lost. I don't know where I mounted the grub thing, and I don't know how to change that now that it's installed
• 3410[22:31:57] <BlackFerdyPT> eventhorizon, OK. Thanks. I will try that.
• 3411[22:32:10] <teraflops> debian people are not used to systemd-boot :S
• 3412[22:32:15] <mnuhmnuh> makeway: that's usually/was configureable in the BIOS, boot order, or by bootable flag in partition setting.
• 3413[22:32:16] <teraflops> former gummiboot
• 3414[22:33:02] <teraflops> mnuhmnuh: hmm, we are talking about grub not detecting windows partition and adding it to boot menu
• 3415[22:33:07] <makeway> Welp. I'm lost. I give up. It works, so I guess I'll deal with it...
• 3416[22:33:38] <teraflops> makeway: erad a bit about UEFI esp and how it works
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• 3418[22:33:50] <teraflops> read^
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• 3420[22:34:08] <makeway> Yeah I will.
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• 3422[22:35:14] <BlackFerdyPT> eventhorizon, "Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package."
• 3423[22:35:35] <annadane> !stretch flash
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• 3425[22:35:55] <annadane> dpkg: stretch flash
• 3426[22:35:56] <dpkg> wish i knew, annadane
• 3427[22:35:59] <annadane> uh
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• 3430[22:36:15] <annadane> !flash stretch
• 3431[22:36:16] <dpkg> rumour has it, flash stretch is flashplugin-nofree package has been broken for months and was not included in stretch. To install manually obtain the flash plugin (npapi tar.gz) from replaced-url
• 3432[22:36:23] <teraflops> ,v gummiboot
• 3433[22:36:24] <judd> Package: gummiboot on amd64 -- jessie: 45-2
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• 3437[22:37:29] <BlackFerdyPT> annadane, Thanks. I will try that.
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• 3440[22:38:26] <eventhorizon> BlackFerdyPT: yeah I just saw that. dpkg had the instructions
• 3441[22:38:50] <BlackFerdyPT> eventhorizon, Yes. Thanks, anyway for your help.
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• 3444[22:41:09] * mnuhmnuh dpkg, you misspelled "nonfree" in the package's name.
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• 3451[22:45:59] <BlackFerdyPT> annadane, Thank you very much for your help. It worked. :) (And, now I can see the most important weather information for my country - at: replaced-url
• 3452[22:46:32] <BlackFerdyPT> eventhorizon, Thanks again for your help. "dpkg" instructions here worked, and I solved my problem. :)
• 3453[22:46:43] <eventhorizon> BlackFerdyPT: cool, glad to help
• 3454[22:46:57] <BlackFerdyPT> eventhorizon, :)
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• 3462[22:49:31] <BlackFerdyPT> Bye, everyone.
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• 3472[22:52:13] <boodie> Hi (stable): to remove all the content from a removable medium, would rm -r /media/disk/ do the job?
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• 3478[22:54:17] <eventhorizon> boodie: that command will also delete the 'disk' folder. rm -r /media/disk/* should work, or do a 'cd /media/disk' and then do an 'rm -r *'
• 3479[22:54:27] <mmm_> annadane: "apt -f" done, installed correct nvidia, removed the other nvidia and started dist-upgrade again... Reinstall gnome is pending because it wanted to install and upgrade many related gnome packages, so I will it later
• 3480[22:54:35] <teraflops> also rm -r responsibly
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• 3494[23:01:59] <juon> Hi
• 3495[23:02:05] <juon> Who are you ?
• 3496[23:02:19] <juon> Anybody know any channel linux generaly ?
• 3497[23:02:45] <juon> I want to redirect my ip adress to italy to see Rai TV, Channel, online, Who i make it ?
• 3498[23:03:09] <teraflops> try ##linux
• 3499[23:03:10] <maxvaillancourt1> you can join ##linux
• 3500[23:03:42] <maxvaillancourt1> juon: to "redirect" your ip address, you should look into VPNs
• 3501[23:03:56] <teraflops> a simple proxy might do it
• 3502[23:04:05] <maxvaillancourt1> indeed!
• 3503[23:04:06] <teraflops> there's a bunch out there
• 3504[23:04:20] <juon> Anybody recommend someone ?
• 3505[23:04:27] <juon> Sorry my englihs
• 3506[23:04:32] <teraflops> iirc there are extensions for we browser too
• 3507[23:04:35] <teraflops> web
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• 3513[23:06:00] <teraflops> juon: replaced-url
• 3514[23:06:26] <teraflops> replaced-url
• 3515[23:06:29] <teraflops> ^
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• 3520[23:10:07] <juon> teraflops, thank you so much its work, Grazie mille
• 3521[23:10:11] <juon> replaced-url
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• 3540[23:17:48] <teraflops> juon: np, glad it worked
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• 3591[23:40:38] <uxfi> th0r; sent a message in private earlier. Not sure if ya got it
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• 3596[23:41:04] <simbalion> Hi, my python installation seems to be broken, I keep seeing this error: "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SSL_ST_INIT'" someone said I need to update pyopenssl so I tried running pip and it gives that error even if I do pip --version. Can someone help?
• 3597[23:41:24] <annadane> simbalion, posting your actual output may help, paste.debian.net
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• 3601[23:42:27] <simbalion> annadane: replaced-url
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• 3603[23:42:54] <Luigisd> hello
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• 3605[23:43:24] <Luigisd> is it possible compile a kernel 32 on a amd64 machine ?
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• 3607[23:43:55] <Luigisd> I decide to compile kernel with a old netbook, to speed up it
• 3608[23:44:36] <Luigisd> I decide to compile kernel for a old netbook, make it on a i7 cpu with kernel amd64
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• 3610[23:45:43] <Luigisd> if i download the linux-headers file 32bit, May I compile it on a amd64 ?
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• 3613[23:46:31] <Dungeon> hey guys if i run the last command the users that were in there arent there now
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• 3615[23:46:46] <Dungeon> says user wmtp?
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• 3619[23:47:31] <Dungeon> wtmp begins Fri Sep 1 06:25:08 2017
• 3620[23:47:44] <trek00> Dungeon: it's rotated
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• 3622[23:48:07] <Dungeon> explain slightly more please
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• 3625[23:48:39] <Dungeon> because the ngix process was restarted on my server and i had crashed it and it stayed down for a week
• 3626[23:48:51] <Dungeon> i use apache2 for my web server
• 3627[23:48:54] <trek00> Dungeon: /var/log/wtmp contains the users login logs and every month it is moved to /var/log/wtmp.1
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• 3630[23:49:13] <Dungeon> ty sir fixing to take a gander
• 3631[23:49:39] <trek00> Dungeon: if you want to read the old wtmp you should use: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1
• 3632[23:50:44] <Dungeon> not seeing anything if i pico wtpm in the /var/log
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• 3634[23:50:53] <trek00> Luigisd: it is possible you should install g++-4.9-multilib
• 3635[23:51:06] <Dungeon> says no such file or directory
• 3636[23:51:34] <Dungeon> the file is there though
• 3637[23:51:40] <Dungeon> the wtmp.1
• 3638[23:51:51] <trek00> Dungeon: is it on the filesystem?
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• 3640[23:52:25] <Dungeon> never mind
• 3641[23:52:31] <Luigisd> trek00, g++-4.9-multilib is a multi-platform C++ compiler ?
• 3642[23:52:34] <Dungeon> had the path incorrectly typed and ty
• 3643[23:53:03] <trek00> Luigisd: the multilib version of gcc allow you to cross-compile any source from an architecture to another
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• 3645[23:53:45] <Luigisd> trek00, ok understood. Last thing : where is the x86 menu in make menuconfig ?
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• 3648[23:54:37] <Luigisd> trek00, I must choose x86 option in menuconfig I image , no ?
• 3649[23:55:03] <trek00> Luigisd: sorry but last time i compiled the kernel was some years ago
• 3650[23:55:45] <trek00> Luigisd: i386 io x86 should be the architecture name
• 3651[23:56:06] <Luigisd> trek00, ok, thx. I's userful compile the kernel, increase the speed of the machine
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• 3653[23:56:15] <Dungeon> May 18 15:23:15 fineuo org.a11y.Bus[18590]: g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an sync read (g-$
• 3654[23:56:15] <Dungeon> May 18 15:23:15 fineuo org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[18590]: A connection to the bus can't be made
• 3655[23:56:21] <Dungeon> anyone know what that means?
• 3656[23:57:06] <trek00> simbalion: what version you need of pyopenssl and what version you have of debian?
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• 3659[23:57:21] <Luigisd> trek00, i386 is the generic x86, it have some sub manu to optimize the architecture for 586 , 686 , core2 etc...
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• 3662[23:57:59] <mnuhmnuh> Luigisd: i've always suspected the same. know any comparison reviews out there; stock vs. targetted compile?
• 3663[23:58:06] <trek00> Luigisd: it depends by the target cpu that you have
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• 3665[23:58:45] <Luigisd> i386 = gereric x386 assembly it go with all
• 3666[23:59:29] <Luigisd> optimized cpu must choose the exact type of processor, increase the speed a little
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• 3668[23:59:41] <trek00> Luigisd: yes, but 686 would run on any cpu built in the last 20 years
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