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122 [01:29:50] <dewd> When doing a debootstrap, it seems apt and
lots of utils arent extracted/installed (they are downloaded), so
lots of commands including apt are not found
123 [01:31:01] <themill> details would help... what version of
debootstrap, what release of debian, how are you testing this,
…
124 [01:31:52] <dewd> unstable and stable branches
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126 [01:32:10] <dewd> "testing" via chroot
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128 [01:32:28] <themill> that's no more information than I
had before...
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133 [01:34:01] <dewd> I changed the path so they would be correct
/bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin. debootstrap version 1.0.89
134 [01:34:11] <cef> pantato: hey.. I decided to test changing my
mouse (going back to an older mouse - a Logitech G9x) and I get 500
Hz BY DEFAULT with that. No idea why but evhz definitely gives a
higher poll rate.
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136 [01:34:22] <dewd> What more would you like?
137 [01:34:35] <dewd> I've tried debians debootstrap and
ubuntu.
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139 [01:35:56] <themill> what's the actual command
you're issuing to make the chroot?
140 [01:36:40] <themill> What does «I changed the path so
they would be correct» mean?
141 [01:36:45] <dewd> the command taken from the wiki:
/usr/sbin/debootstrap --no-check-gpg --arch amd64 unstable
/mnt/debian
142 [01:37:43] <themill> works fine here: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
14424 Feb 22 15:02 /usr/bin/apt*
143 [01:37:45] <dewd> themill, the path from my current install
would be slightly different, so I made it what i stated above
144 [01:38:20] <dewd> its going to the /mnt/usr/bin/apt?
145 [01:38:26] <themill> not inside the chroot
146 [01:38:26] <dewd> ls shows no apt
147 [01:39:03] <dewd> so maybe thats the issue.
148 [01:39:10] <themill> I really want to see real commands and
real output from you. I'm understanding little of what
you're doing and I can't reproduce your problem
149 [01:39:20] <dewd> when i chroot in, whereis apt-get shows
nothing
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151 [01:40:30] <dewd> im just going by the steps in the wiki
152 [01:40:38] <dewd> or help pages rather
153 [01:40:49] <themill> real commands and real output...
154 [01:40:57] <abrotman> So give themill the URL you're
using, and show him the commands you're using
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156 [01:41:29] <themill> dewd: you've only told me
«[11:32] <dewd> "testing" via chroot»
not what you're actually doing.
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163 [01:42:56] <dewd> sorry, wifi hiccup
164 [01:43:24] <dewd> It fails when i try and use apt to install
makedev, because apt is not found
165 [01:43:35] <dewd> My path is: export
PATH="$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"
166 [01:44:01] <abrotman> dewd: what command are you using for
debootstrap?
167 [01:44:08] <dewd> i pasted it above
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169 [01:44:26] <themill> except you said you changed it
170 [01:44:28] <dewd> /usr/sbin/debootstrap --no-check-gpg --arch
amd64 unstable /mnt/debian
171 [01:44:32] <dewd> thats what i used
172 [01:44:37] <dewd> taken from MY shell
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174 [01:45:27] <themill> and what does "find
/mnt/debian/usr/bin" output, fun from outside the chroot
175 [01:45:31] <themill> run
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183 [01:48:21] <dewdr> god i hate my wifi
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187 [01:49:57] * themill wonders if debootstrap completed successfully
188 [01:49:59] <dewd> takes forever to download
189 [01:50:07] <dewd> themill, no errors all 3 times ive ran it
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191 [01:50:26] <dewd> I: Extracting zlib1g...
192 [01:50:33] <dewd> finishes with that
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195 [01:50:57] <themill> doesn't sound successful
196 [01:51:07] <dewd> i see it retrieve and validate apt
197 [01:51:15] <dewd> but it does not extract
198 [01:51:29] <dewd> so what should i be seeing?
199 [01:52:03] <themill> I always use --verbose, let me check
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201 [01:52:57] <themill> I: Installing core packages... and then
lots more should follow
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205 [01:55:55] <Evidlo> I've been screwing with dependencies
and I think I've broken things on my Pi. I get 'no version
information available' for liblua5.2.so.0. Is there anything I
can try before I reinstall?
206 [01:56:07] <dewd> weird
207 [01:56:09] <dewd>
replaced-url
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209 [01:57:34] <dewd> trying verbose now, my connection is
garbage so may take a bit
210 [01:57:49] <dewd> brb
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212 [01:58:03] <missmbob> it says it couldnt get various
packages, that's why it stopped. probably because your wifi
sucks.
213 [01:58:07] <themill> apt-cacher-ng ftw
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215 [01:58:42] <themill> I came across another user who had
debootrstrap just stopping at that point too. never figured out why
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217 [01:59:20] <themill> dewd: what's the host system?
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224 [03:06:46] <dewd> themill, manjaro/arch
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227 [03:07:21] <themill> amd64?
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229 [03:07:24] <dewd> yup
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232 [03:07:45] <themill> It's using ar not dpkg-deb to do
the extraction but I don't know why that would make a
difference
233 [03:07:54] <dewd> its going fast this time
234 [03:07:59] <dewd> it shouldnt
235 [03:08:04] <dewd> the website says to use ar
236 [03:08:32] <dewd> i need to arpspoof everyone off my wifi :P
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239 [03:11:20] <dewd> themill, ok it failed and i used verbose
240 [03:11:35] <dewd> W: Failure trying to run: chroot
/mnt/debian mount -t proc proc /proc
241 [03:12:28] <dewd> Which is because it cant find the mount
command in the chroot i assume, which i kinda fixed before by
chrooting in and updating the PATH
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245 [03:13:56] <themill> You keep saying "updating the
path" without explaining what you mean. It doesn't sound
good.
246 [03:14:08] <dewd> i posted twice exactly what i mean
247 [03:14:16] <dewd> My path is: export
PATH="$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin"
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249 [03:14:33] <dewd> thats the command i used to make it see
missing commands
250 [03:14:39] <dewd> such as mount
251 [03:14:58] <themill> it still doesn't sound good
252 [03:15:05] <dewd> why?
253 [03:15:21] <themill> why are you doing it?
254 [03:15:48] <themill> "I have to set my PATH to the
default because it's currently crazy" is not sounding
good...
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256 [03:16:55] <dewdr> |dangit
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260 [03:17:18] <dewd> i probably missed your last msg
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262 [03:17:25] <themill> "I have to set my PATH to the
default because it's currently crazy" is not sounding
good...
263 [03:18:18] <dewd> and why is that
264 [03:18:26] <dewd> i set them to sane values
265 [03:18:33] <themill> why do you need to?
266 [03:18:52] <dewd> because nothing worked in the chroot
otherwise?
267 [03:18:59] <dewd> no ls, no mount, nothing
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269 [03:19:05] <themill> So it's not sane to begin with?
270 [03:19:27] <themill> How about setting it to something that
works *prior* to running debootstrap rather than after debootstrap
fails?
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272 [03:19:49] <abrotman> Could it be the version of debootstrap?
273 [03:20:06] <themill> it's the one in sid and it wfm
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275 [03:21:15] <dewdr> need to fix the router(s), one sec
276 [03:22:19] <themill> is arch one of these distros that has
merged /usr already and decided not to bother with backwards
compatibility?
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279 [03:23:26] <themill> seems so... #718632
280 [03:23:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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282 [03:23:49] <themill> yet another case of arch changing things
and then forcing everyone else to clean up their mess
283 [03:24:22] <somiaj> wonder if just giving debootstrap the
usrmerge flag would make things just work.
284 [03:24:29] <themill> heh might
285 [03:24:37] <introom> where can I get the debug symbols for
replaced-url
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289 [03:26:38] <dewd> sory, im working on the routers
290 [03:27:55] <somiaj> dewd: the --merged-usr may help you.
themill found bug #718632 due to an issue with arch and usrmerge it
seems.
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292 [03:28:16] <dewd> that switch?
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294 [03:28:31] <dewd> will try, thanks guys
295 [03:28:31] <themill> or setting PATH prior to starting
debootstrap
296 [03:28:58] <somiaj> the PATH issue is due to arch and
usrmerge, There are various things you can try to get around it, the
bug report may have a workaround in there too, I didn't look
297 [03:29:19] <themill> mostly just people looking at it going
"wtf have they done now"
298 [03:29:24] <dewd> ok, so its not a switch
299 [03:29:42] <ryouma> usr merge means merging sbin, /usr/sbin,
/bin, and /usr/bin into a single dir? just guessing here.
300 [03:29:51] <themill> --merged-usr Create /{bin,sbin,lib}/
symlinks pointing to their counterparts in /usr/.
301 [03:29:53] <dewd> yes
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303 [03:29:55] <somiaj> well debootstrap has the --merged-usr
switch, this will install usrmerge in the chroot to maybe more match
what your host arch is doing.
304 [03:30:20] <dewd> hmm not sure why its saying it isnt an
option
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306 [03:30:40] <themill> not running the version you think
you're running?
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308 [03:31:04] <somiaj> what is the output of debootstrap
--version
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317 [03:34:43] <dewd> ok its going now
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319 [03:34:57] <dewd> i was trying using an old debootstrap when
i was desperate
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330 [03:41:26] <dewd> huh, now it ends at a different spot
331 [03:41:36] <dewd> I: Chosen extractor for .deb packages: ar
332 [03:41:36] <dewd> I: Extracting libacl1...
333 [03:41:36] <dewd> \
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335 [03:43:21] <dewd> and when i export path before chroot, i get
the same result, mount and ls etc appear, but lots of things missing
like apt
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340 [03:45:22] <themill> sounds like it's dying when it
first tries to extract a package
341 [03:45:43] <dewd> well other times it extracts lots of them
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343 [03:46:19] <dewd> trying again srtting the path before the
debootstrap
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346 [03:47:34] <binaryc> recomended debian ldap (freeipa) client
configuration for debian stable ? ( do the
nss/pamsss/krb5/etc..manually, freeipa-client from sid [no debport
yet], numeezy.fr freeipa-client package ) ... or something else ?
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357 [03:51:26] <dewd> trying using the debootstrap from archs own
repos
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388 [04:14:51] <dewd> themill, for some odd reason the arch repo
version works, its unpacking the base fine
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395 [04:19:09] <themill> interesting; would be worth comparing
the two
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399 [04:19:56] <dewd> yup, will check it out in a bit
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replaced-url
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530 [06:09:53] <introom> hi.
531 [06:10:06] <introom> how to find the doc for stapfuncs?
532 [06:10:23] <introom>
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551 [06:24:23] <Evidlo> is there much of a difference between
normal debian and debian .img builds for a pi?
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555 [06:29:18] <themill> Evidlo: debian doesn't provide any
images at all; the pi can't even boot without its own funny
kernel
556 [06:29:50] <themill> ,file stapfuncs
557 [06:29:54] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
558 [06:30:03] <themill> introom: ^^
559 [06:30:58] <themill> ,file *stapfuncs*
560 [06:31:01] <judd> Search for *stapfuncs* in jessie/amd64:
systemtap-doc: usr/share/man/man3/stapfuncs.3stap.gz
561 [06:31:10] <themill> or maybe I just forgot how to drive judd
562 [06:31:20] * judd slaps themill
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580 [06:54:43] <Abhijit> hi
581 [06:54:48] <Abhijit> how to set yes to dpkg install?
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594 [07:06:32] <themill> Abhijit: what are you really trying to
do?
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602 [07:08:42] <Abhijit> themill, a bash script to install
package. not on debain system hence cant test, but i just wanted to
know how can I make dpkg not wait for me to type "yes" to
install
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606 [07:09:57] <sky> --yes
607 [07:10:09] <themill> Abhijit: dpkg doesn't ask you to
type "yes" to install
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609 [07:10:19] <Abhijit> ok
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649 [07:43:23] <McErroneous> Hi, why is /bin/sh behaving
different than /bin/bash , if /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash
(having no additional options) it should behave exactly the same as
/bin/bash, but it does not., e.g. the buildin
"set"-command...
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651 [07:45:20] <McErroneous> If i execute /bin/sh the
"set"-command works like it should, but executing
/bin/bash the "set"-command does result in a different
output...
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654 [07:46:15] <krytarik> McErroneous: See
replaced-url
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662 [07:53:42] <McErroneous> please help, just need an accurate
answer...
663 [07:56:16] <cef> pantato: I replied to it with my
experiences, fwiw.
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668 [07:59:58] <pantato> cef: thanks
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685 [08:16:43] <pantato> cef: I'm considering downgrading my
kernel to whatever ubuntu 14.04 uses and seeing if that makes a
difference.
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688 [08:17:37] <pantato> cef: I found another thread for this
issue just now:
replaced-url
689 [08:18:24] <pantato> cef: doesn't look like there's
any insights though :\
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694 [08:29:23] <pantato> cef: looks like we're using pretty
much the same kernel
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696 [08:30:53] <pantato> does anyone know a current guide i can
follow to downgrade my kernel properly?
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705 [08:36:09] <pantato> cef: i booted into kernel 3.16 ....no
dice
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712 [08:45:52] <pantato> cef: I don't think anyone is gonna
help us :((((
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717 [08:49:22] <cef> pantato: well I'm ok now.. I'm
just using my old mouse.. but yeah.. seems odd..
718 [08:49:37] <cef> pantato: did you try setting it to 250Hz?
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720 [08:50:25] <cef> pantato: not useful in the long run but it
might give us some more data points.
721 [08:50:56] <cef> pantato: I'm just wondering if
it's running at half the set speed, with some sort of max that
isn't 1000Hz anymore.
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723 [08:52:59] <pantato> cef: you said you have your set at 1,
right?
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725 [08:53:07] <pantato> what's the parameter?
726 [08:53:16] <cef> pantato: currently yes..
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728 [08:53:58] <cef> mousepoll=1, which should be 1000 Hz, yes?
729 [08:54:04] <TurBoss> Hello, i have an old nas where only
lenny is supporded ( "binary-arm" oxnas), is posible to
have nfs version 4 on it? thanks
730 [08:54:50] <TurBoss> armv5tejl is supporte by newer releases?
731 [08:54:59] <pantato> cef: then it should be running at 1000
hz...
732 [08:55:09] <pantato> i don't think usbhid is doing shit.
I think it's just your mouse
733 [08:55:37] <cef> pantato: I know.. and this mouse has
definitely done 1000 in the past.. currently it's doing 500.
734 [08:55:50] <cef> pantato: whereas the other mouse is stuck at
125
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736 [08:56:55] <newcoder> Why is linux named as vmlinuz in /boot
?
737 [08:57:48] <nkuttler> TurBoss: does the kernel support it?
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739 [08:57:56] <pantato> cef: This mouse can do 1000 hz in Ubuntu
14.04 and Windows.
740 [08:58:07] <TurBoss> seems to no
741 [08:58:18] <TurBoss> cat /proc/fs/nfsd/versions +2 +3
742 [08:58:21] <pantato> so irritating because I love everything
else about debian so far but this is pretty crucial to my gaming oef
743 [08:58:34] <TurBoss> no chance?
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745 [08:58:39] <pantato> i play counter-strike 1.6 and it's
pretty unforgiving.
746 [08:59:00] <nkuttler> TurBoss: um, so do you want a new
debian or just a new nfs?
747 [08:59:16] <TurBoss> jsut nfs 4 support
748 [08:59:26] <TurBoss> nkuttler^
749 [08:59:35] <TurBoss> just*
750 [09:01:09] <cef> pantato: ok.. seems that the debian kernels
are compiled with CONFIG_HZ_250=y rather than CONFIG_HZ_1000=y, but
I dunno if that will make a difference.
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753 [09:04:26] <pantato> cef: if that were the case wouldn't
my hz be 250?
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766 [09:13:33] <thereyougo> say I hibernated PC with USB flash
drive in it, now what if I unplug that USB flash drive and plug it
to another PC and copy some files on it and then plug it back to
hibernated PC and turn it on, will there be problems with that flash
drive now ?
767 [09:14:10] <thereyougo> by the way is "Stretch" a
dog with a spring in the middle of his body ?
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771 [09:16:03] <cef> pantato: I suspect it's not related,
but I did see someone ask about it on one of the many threads I
found.
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796 [09:33:04] <cef> pantato: interesting. I found one USB port
on my machine that when I plug the mouse into it, I get about 500 Hz
average, but very rarely, it peaks at 1000Hz for the Latest value
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806 [09:35:52] <cef> pantato: ugh.. ok.. so my mouse has profiles
built into the mouse.. only one of them seems to support 1000Hz..
the other 2 are capped at 500Hz. Go figure!
807 [09:36:01] <bernhardr> Can i clone my 120gb server boot ssd
disk to an 240 gb ssd disk and boot from the 240gb ssd disk ?
808 [09:36:19] <TurBoss> clonezilla
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810 [09:36:49] <cef> bernhardr: yes. Something like clonezilla
or, if you don't care about partition size, you might even be
able to use dd.
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812 [09:37:10] <pantato> cef: yeah my mouse is probably the
oldest pro gaming mouse on the market. Technically it's not
really on the market
813 [09:37:11] <TurBoss> later you can use gparted livecd to
resize the partitions
814 [09:37:16] <cef> bernhardr: but you'll want to boot off
another disk again.
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816 [09:37:37] <pantato> cef:
replaced-url
817 [09:37:50] <pantato> cef: i got 1 black and 1 yellow :)
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819 [09:38:03] <cef> bernhardr: as in, you need to boot off a 3rd
disk to copy from the old to the new. that could be a USB key with
clonezilla on it, etc.
820 [09:38:41] <bernhardr> ok actually i want to resize boot
since i cant upgrade the kernel.. cant write..
821 [09:38:43] <cef> pantato: oh I've had a few of those in
my past.
822 [09:39:16] <cef> bernhardr: clone it, then resize.
823 [09:39:16] <bernhardr> but i would like to clone it to
another disk first to try there so not to destroy the first disk.
824 [09:39:30] <TurBoss> be carefull bernhardr back up your data
first
825 [09:39:40] <cef> bernhardr: you've looked at cleaning up
logs, etc?
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827 [09:40:26] <bernhardr> cef yes, one moment ill show you
828 [09:40:31] <cef> bernhardr: yeah.. clone it to the 256gb ssd
and play with that.
829 [09:41:24] <bernhardr>
replaced-url
830 [09:42:03] <bernhardr> I could also boot clonzilla from a cd
/ dvd and then clone it right ?
831 [09:42:20] <TurBoss> yes
832 [09:42:25] <TurBoss> but clone disk to disk
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834 [09:42:30] <TurBoss> not partitions
835 [09:42:37] <TurBoss> as you are using lvm
836 [09:42:40] <TurBoss> seems
837 [09:42:55] <TurBoss> be carefull selecting origin destination
838 [09:42:58] <TurBoss> ;)
839 [09:42:59] <bernhardr> Actually would the new 250 gb boot
directly when i clone the 120 to it (to see if it works).
840 [09:43:05] <TurBoss> yes
841 [09:43:09] <TurBoss> i do it all the time
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843 [09:43:48] <TurBoss> but before cloning do a backup
844 [09:43:50] <TurBoss> :D
845 [09:43:52] <bernhardr> Yes the cloning part will be easy for
me. Disk to Disk.. first ill make a backup of my work on thge 120 gb
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850 [09:45:31] <bernhardr> When i have cloned it how would i do
the resizing on the 250 gb disk ?
851 [09:46:31] <TurBoss> do you use lvm?
852 [09:46:41] <bernhardr> yes
853 [09:47:07] <bernhardr> but im not sure if that goes for the
whole disk.
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857 [09:48:31] <TurBoss> gparted does work with lvm ?
858 [09:48:34] <TurBoss> not sure
859 [09:48:42] <TurBoss> there is a lvm manager with gui
860 [09:48:50] <TurBoss> can't remember the name
861 [09:48:56] <TurBoss> lvm-manager :D
862 [09:49:07] <bernhardr> within webmin i see lvm
863 [09:49:20] <TurBoss> but you need to do it from a live cd
864 [09:49:21] <TurBoss> no?
865 [09:50:28] <pantato> cef: i love this mouse except for the
scroll wheel
866 [09:50:31] <TurBoss>
replaced-url
867 [09:50:34] <bernhardr> what do you mean with no ?
868 [09:50:34] <TurBoss> take a look
869 [09:50:45] <TurBoss> there is a tool here
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871 [09:52:15] <bernhardr> this can be used on debian 7 (my
console server) also ?
872 [09:52:29] <TurBoss> sry not sure...
873 [09:54:32] <bernhardr> Ok, any first ill try clonezilla later
today to clone the disk to see if it works and boot from it
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875 [09:54:53] <TurBoss> oki
876 [09:54:54] <TurBoss> :)
877 [09:54:54] <bernhardr> when that works ill come back to
discuss the resizing.. thanks for now..
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961 [10:51:56] <Mindiell> hi there, just noticed that one of my
server is showing me an anacron start every 3 seconds (via
journalctl -f)
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963 [10:52:16] <Mindiell> I think this is not normal at all and
would like to know what I can do ;o)
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1007 [11:11:04] <mazert> hello, do you know how to access
#debian-next ? now it ask me an invitation.
1008 [11:11:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's on irc.oftc.net
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1010 [11:13:11] <mazert> CutMeOwnThroat: ah yes, i forgot :p
thanks
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1015 [11:17:06] <Mindiell> even if I kill my anacron service and
cron service, journalctl show me 3-second anacron start :o/
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1017 [11:19:22] <Mindiell> and a ps show me nothing :o/
1018 [11:19:26] <rca_connection> one time I had trouble with exim4
and I just RENAMED the binary and made the problem go away
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1021 [11:20:16] <rca_connection> might not solve your problem
might help you find what it is
1022 [11:20:37] <rca_connection> reinstal / remove anacron also
1023 [11:22:52] <rca_connection> other things can write to your
logs that might look like anacron is doing it
1024 [11:22:54] <Mindiell> well, that was quit effective :D
1025 [11:23:25] <Mindiell> re-installed it => run every 3
seconds !
1026 [11:23:31] <Mindiell> .... /O/
1027 [11:23:35] <rca_connection> ;o(
1028 [11:23:49] <rca_connection> if it was crontab I would do a
crontab -e
1029 [11:24:09] <Mindiell> got nothing in crontab for root user
1030 [11:24:24] <Mindiell> and anacron is launched via cron at
7.30
1031 [11:24:37] <Mindiell> so once by day normally
1032 [11:24:39] <Mindiell> :o/
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1042 [11:31:17] <rca_connection> Mindiell: you see a /etc/apm/*
maybe stuff for anacron in there?
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1044 [11:32:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> Mindiell, show us the actual
outputs
1045 [11:33:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can use paste.debian.net
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1057 [11:37:28] <mender27> Morning :).
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1065 [11:44:05] <Mindiell> rca_connection: I got 2 config files in
apm/
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1067 [11:45:05] <Mindiell> one for anacron
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1070 [11:46:02] <Mindiell> and apparently it checks if on power or
not
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1073 [11:47:07] <Mindiell> rca_connection: So I should remove this
script in order not to have anacron started too much ?
1074 [11:47:28] <Mindiell> Apparently, it's starting anacron
which will not run if power is not plugged
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1076 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> we just try to run anacron every time
and let it abort if
1077 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> # there's no AC. You'll see a
message on the cron syslog facility
1078 [11:47:47] <Mindiell> # (typically /var/log/cron) if it does
run.
1079 [11:47:50] <Mindiell> hmmm
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1082 [11:48:08] <Mindiell> woups, sorry
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1092 [11:57:00] <Mindiell> CutMeOwnThroat: I'll do that
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1094 [11:57:53] <Mindiell> CutMeOwnThroat:
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1096 [11:58:03] <unborn> does anyone know when apt will completely
replace apt-get ?
1097 [11:58:04] <rca_connection> Mindiell: my intent ain't to
break your system
1098 [11:58:14] <Mindiell> rca_connection: sure ;o)
1099 [11:58:36] <Mindiell> for now : moving the /etc/apm/anacron
file somewhere else did not change anything
1100 [11:58:43] <rca_connection> I don't know what your
scripts are doin, but I tryt to give ya a few ideas I would be on
about
1101 [11:58:47] <Mindiell> and : uninstalling anacron stops the
"problem"
1102 [11:59:00] <Mindiell> rca_connection: and any help is welcome
;o)
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1105 [11:59:04] <rca_connection> so something is loading up
anacron
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1110 [11:59:14] <rca_connection> has a task it wants to do...
1111 [12:00:14] <rca_connection> audio can load things up for
constant tasks, I note the sound volume causes network traffic on
244.0.0.56
1112 [12:00:27] <rca_connection> weird things I would be looking
for
1113 [12:00:45] <rca_connection> something that wants time
constantly pounded
1114 [12:00:52] <rca_connection> check cpu
1115 [12:01:13] <rca_connection> for binaries running
1116 [12:01:40] <rca_connection> if you got no dependencies remove
anacron
1117 [12:01:55] <rca_connection> I got a lil nginx don't need
it at all
1118 [12:02:18] <Mindiell> stopped all my supervisor tasks and
apache
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1121 [12:02:54] <Mindiell> nginx stopped too ;o)
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1126 [12:04:38] <Mindiell> mysql stopped
1127 [12:06:02] <rca_connection> I don't know if you have
pastbin command line but cat syslog | grep 'anacron' |
pastebin puts my log on pastebin
1128 [12:06:45] <rca_connection> and you can change to
'cron' for both cron and anacron entries
1129 [12:06:56] <rca_connection> maybe help ya figure this out
1130 [12:07:08] <Mindiell> syslog ?
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1132 [12:07:14] <rca_connection> messages
1133 [12:07:34] <rca_connection> kern.log
1134 [12:07:39] <Mindiell> ah
1135 [12:07:43] <rca_connection> I don't know which log you
got
1136 [12:07:51] <Mindiell> I tried syslog but got the same as in
the pastebin
1137 [12:08:07] <Mindiell> nothing in kern.log
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1140 [12:08:48] <rca_connection> systemd I see
1141 [12:09:08] <rca_connection> I didn't see you had a
pastebin up (my scrollback)
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1143 [12:09:20] <rca_connection> I wonder what
1144 [12:09:24] <rca_connection> 'is in your systemd
1145 [12:09:28] <Mindiell>
replaced-url
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1150 [12:13:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1151 [12:13:22] <mender27> Morning there, BluesKaj! Remember me?
1152 [12:13:54] <BluesKaj> yes, hi mender27
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1156 [12:15:14] <mender27> BluesKaj, did some distro-hopping, but
I'm back on Debian with ZFS. Almost fried one hard drive and I
have a new array now.
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1158 [12:16:20] <Mindiell> ok, renaming the /etc/init.d/anacron
stop it too :o)
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1160 [12:16:27] <dante_> is there a way to create a bootable usb
with windows 7?
1161 [12:16:40] <mender27> Not really, no.
1162 [12:17:01] <BluesKaj> mender27,ok, good, experimenting can be
fun but one has find one's center
1163 [12:17:14] <Mindiell> ok, remove anacron
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1165 [12:17:20] <Mindiell> I'll stop to serach for now
1166 [12:17:28] <mender27> BluesKaj, yes, I constantly get annoyed
with myself when I distro-hop. I break things that work :/.
1167 [12:17:36] <rca_connection> Mindiell: I think your getting
real close
1168 [12:17:45] <rca_connection> it's something in one of
thos text files
1169 [12:18:10] <dgriffi> dante_: I suppose you could make a
bootable thumb drive on windows 7 using a windows version of dd and
a debian install iso
1170 [12:18:16] <rca_connection> maybe search through the files
for the number 3 (just grepping through it all)
1171 [12:18:24] <rca_connection> I don't know
1172 [12:18:40] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: yes
1173 [12:18:41] <BluesKaj> mender27, I keep a stable distro as a
fallback on a separate partition from my testing '
1174 [12:18:51] <Hyp3ri0n> !win32diskimager
1175 [12:18:52] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
1176 [12:19:12] <rca_connection> Mindiell: if you got a live
version you can compare the directories and see what's been
added
1177 [12:19:51] <rca_connection> I wish you good luck
1178 [12:20:08] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: use win32diskimager to do tht
for you
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1182 [12:20:38] <mender27> BluesKaj, one planning to have one too,
but then the bigger 2TB drive died.
1183 [12:21:02] <dante_> i trying to create it from a debian
machine
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1185 [12:21:20] <mender27> dante_, unless you have a legal .iso of
Windows 7, which you cannot download nowadays.
1186 [12:21:23] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: what steps did you follow
1187 [12:21:41] <dante_> i try with dd, winusb, unetbootin
1188 [12:21:42] <rca_connection> Mindiell: one more IDEA.. in
synaptic (if you have a head installed) you can go to properties of
anacron and see where all the files got installed to
1189 [12:21:47] <BluesKaj> large hdds seem to have a short life
span
1190 [12:21:53] <BluesKaj> msantana,^
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1192 [12:22:09] <BluesKaj> oops mender27^
1193 [12:22:11] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: what OS are you targetting?
1194 [12:22:53] <Mindiell> rca_connection: ths for everything ;o)
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1196 [12:23:11] <dante_> okay, I'm using debian 8 and
I'm trying to create a bootable windows 7 usb
1197 [12:23:11] <Mindiell> it's a server so no ux
1198 [12:23:25] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: idk then
1199 [12:23:43] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: do you own tht windows iso?
1200 [12:23:44] <rca_connection> Mindiell: a vm on another
workstation might not be a bad idea to compare files
1201 [12:23:57] <dante_> yes
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1204 [12:24:20] <Hyp3ri0n> then use dd to do it on debian,dont use
unetbootin
1205 [12:24:33] <dante_> i have try with dd
1206 [12:24:44] <Hyp3ri0n> dd bs=4M if=/foo of=/bar
1207 [12:25:03] <dante_> okay, I will try again
1208 [12:25:03] <Hyp3ri0n> did you try tht?
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1210 [12:25:07] <dante_> yes
1211 [12:25:13] <BluesKaj> dante_,
replaced-url
1212 [12:25:16] <Hyp3ri0n> su?
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1214 [12:25:34] <Wally> Does anyone have a way to tell linux to
ignore MacOS ._ files
1215 [12:26:10] <n4dir> ignore them when doing what?
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1217 [12:26:30] <Wally> Well it's more for emulators that see
the ._file and then start going "hey this doesn't
work"
1218 [12:26:31] <n4dir> extglob comes to mind, this way or the
other
1219 [12:26:39] <dante_> BluesKaj: I have no machine with windows
installed on it
1220 [12:26:52] <dante_> I need to make it from debian machine
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1223 [12:28:27] <Hyp3ri0n> dante_: use dd
1224 [12:28:34] <BluesKaj> dante_, this is debian support, not
windows, ..google is your friend , use it.
1225 [12:28:46] <TimurTheLame> dante_, you could follow this guide
replaced-url
1226 [12:28:51] <rca_connection> windows is like the enemy now lol
1227 [12:29:02] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, dd won't make it
bootable afaik
1228 [12:29:20] <Wally> dante_ what are you trying to achieve :|
1229 [12:29:21] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: may i ask why?
1230 [12:29:40] <TimurTheLame> dante_, the method works, but you
need an application that you won't find in debian's repos
and it's slightly complicated depending on how much linux you
know
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1232 [12:30:12] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, not sure, i just know it
wouldn't boot for me
1233 [12:30:32] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: better know the answer before
saying tht
1234 [12:30:39] <dante_> TimurTheLame: Thanks, I have forgot about
tail
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1237 [12:31:10] <n4dir> Wally: what emulators, how do they
"see" something?
1238 [12:31:16] <dante_> BluesKaj: it was a question for debian
support!
1239 [12:31:28] <dante_> I'm trying to do something using
Debian
1240 [12:31:31] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, same goes for you, don't
recommend unless you know it works
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1242 [12:31:59] <BluesKaj> dante debian doen't support
windows
1243 [12:32:10] <Hyp3ri0n> BluesKaj: how can you tell tht dd wont
work? if you dont know it doesnt work?
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1247 [12:32:53] <BluesKaj> Hyp3ri0n, ok then try it , youi'll
find out for yourself
1248 [12:33:17] <Hyp3ri0n> im not the one whos installing windows
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1250 [12:34:05] <BluesKaj> oh wow, good answer
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1252 [12:34:22] <dante_> BluesKaj: I have no more words for you,
thanks anyway, if you don't know to answer just stay out of
discution
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1256 [12:36:24] <overdrive> hi ppl, one stupid question; I was
checking some versions of the software I have currently in my debian
and they look quite old, e.g. Ansible 1.7.3. I am using jessie 8.7
testing. Is that normal? I was expecting to get the last or one of
the latest stable releases from for example Ansible (closer to
2.2.1.0)
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1258 [12:36:49] <overdrive> I did of course apt-get update and
upgrade. But for sure, I have something wrong/missing.
1259 [12:36:55] <bazhang> ,v ansible
1260 [12:36:56] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1.7.2+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2;
jessie-backports: 2.2.1.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.2.1.0-1; stretch:
2.2.1.0-1
1261 [12:37:46] <bazhang> overdrive, jessie-backports
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1263 [12:38:53] <TimurTheLame> bazhang, correct me if I'm
wrong, but stretch/testing shows that he should have 2.2.1
1264 [12:39:31] <bazhang> TimurTheLame, I thought he said he was
on jessie
1265 [12:39:43] <petn-randall> overdrive: Stable means that that
software will only get security fixes and other major fixes, not
feature updates. That ensures that the amount of bugs in stable can
only get lower. If you need more current software, you can always
grab a newer version from backports.
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1267 [12:40:13] <Hyp3ri0n> Jessie carries old but stable versions
of software,while Sid carries newer but unstable versions
1268 [12:40:46] <Hyp3ri0n> sup bazhang
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1270 [12:42:03] <mzs114> overdrive: you can also use pip to
install a specific version of Ansible, I did this on Debian
1271 [12:42:20] <mender27> overdrive, are you using Jessie Stable
or Jessie Testing?
1272 [12:43:25] <petn-randall> mender27: There is no "jessie
testing".
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1285 [12:50:42] <mender27> petn-randall, there is if one
didn't do "dist-upgrade" after a Testing freeze, no?
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1287 [12:51:33] <Hyp3ri0n> update sources.list > apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade > wallah
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1289 [12:53:01] <TomTomTosch> that's not right. besides you
read the release notes first. they describe the whole process and
potential issue.
1290 [12:53:20] <petn-randall> mender27: They wouldn't be
using Debian 8._7_ then.
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1292 [12:54:07] <Hyp3ri0n> TomTomTosch: yup
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1295 [12:54:53] <BluesKaj> running debian stretch here and ansible
version is 2.2.1.0-1
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1298 [12:55:49] <Hyp3ri0n> also you dont recommend a beginner to
run sid/stretch . . .
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1300 [12:56:37] <n4dir> even before using backports one will first
of all want to understand the way debian works. The question
"why are versions old" shows that one doesn't know it
1301 [12:57:17] <BluesKaj> what beginner?
1302 [12:58:04] <BluesKaj> what recommendation?
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1304 [12:58:26] <bazhang> this turned into a sort of spanish
inquisiton
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1306 [12:59:06] <BluesKaj> heh
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1311 [13:01:11] <petn-randall> n4dir: That is a completely fine
question to ask, and mender27 got an answer to that. You're
maybe mixing up backports with testing/sid?
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1313 [13:02:09] <n4dir> Of course the question is fine. But it
shows that one doesn't understand the main way debian works
yet.
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1315 [13:02:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> it works by having old software
^^
1316 [13:02:32] <petn-randall> n4dir: So what? Everyone started
out like that at some point.
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1320 [13:02:48] <Pepe> Hello guys
1321 [13:02:55] <bazhang> hi
1322 [13:02:56] <TomTomTosch> hoi
1323 [13:02:59] <Pepe> What's wrong with Debian kernel with
4.9.0 ?
1324 [13:03:11] <bazhang> since when
1325 [13:03:15] <n4dir> Yes. Of course. All i say it that the
first thing which should be answered is not how to get newer
versions (via backports), but why is debian that way
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1328 [13:04:02] <TomTomTosch> but petn-randall did that.
1329 [13:04:02] <petn-randall> Pepe: You tell us.
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1331 [13:04:21] <n4dir> Or you say: i don't really care to
understand debian, all i want it to work somehow, by black magic.
Probably an approach too
1332 [13:04:44] <n4dir> but then: there are probably better
distros for such ...
1333 [13:04:56] <Pepe> n4dir are you complaining to me or what?
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1335 [13:05:08] <n4dir> no
1336 [13:05:27] <BluesKaj> Pepe, why do you blame the kernel, tell
us your issue
1337 [13:05:32] <n4dir> and i don't complain at all. I only
make a sidenote
1338 [13:05:33] <Pepe> I will tell you.
1339 [13:05:38] <Pepe> Writingit
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1343 [13:07:35] <petn-randall> n4dir: People use computers without
completely understanding it. Just like people use cars, washing
machines, smart phones, etc. Anyway, this is getting a bit offtopic.
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1345 [13:08:18] <Pepe> bazhang Since kernel 4.9.0 was released on
Debian? First at all dvb-c tuner has same issues like my headset. It
disappears w/o any reason then it connects, but then it overflow
system. In this case it was driver fault, because when you unplug
this device on other devices (different kernel, different devices)
it will flood it.
1346 [13:08:20] <Pepe> But on these devices it didn't
disconnect itself -
replaced-url
1347 [13:08:22] <Pepe> Now I connected headset (which was working
on Windows and also on previous kernel) and I have this issue:
replaced-url
1348 [13:08:45] <n4dir> petn-randall: to understand how debian
releases is hardly a tough topic ...
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1350 [13:09:06] <plasmoduck> l
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1353 [13:12:22] <wewlad> hello, I'm on debian stable,
packages seem too outdated, what should I switch to get more recent
versions of packages?
1354 [13:12:31] <Pepe> wewlad backports..
1355 [13:12:45] <wewlad> Pepe: they are added.
1356 [13:12:52] <wewlad> still mpv is dated 2014
1357 [13:12:56] <mender27> petn-randall, you're completely
right and I stand corrected :).
1358 [13:13:10] <wewlad> can't open the damn youtube stream
using mpv
1359 [13:13:10] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, testing or sid
1360 [13:13:25] <Pepe> apt-get install mpv -t jessie-backports ?
did you try this?
1361 [13:13:41] <mender27> petn-randall, this shows I definitely
need to read the Debian Administrator Guide properly :).
1362 [13:13:42] <Pepe> when you will use apt-get install mpv it
will install packages in "normal" branch
1363 [13:14:01] <ionim> hi people, how to simple make a debian
package?, i have downloaded and installed make install in $DESTDIR
clisp, clisp isn't in 8.7, I'm in the tree.... any as
makepkg ../clisp-2.49.deb ?
1364 [13:14:36] <BluesKaj> Pepe, you haven't told us about
your audio chip/driver/ pulseaudio settings if any , you just blame
the kernel
1365 [13:14:42] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, talking about a live
youtube stream or just a regular video?
1366 [13:14:58] <wewlad> live stream
1367 [13:15:01] <wewlad> navalny
1368 [13:15:24] <Pepe> BluesKaj oh what I should blame? lol. usb
1-2.2: USB disconnect and connect. It also happens with my dvb-c
driver. And you're telling me that's not kernel :D
1369 [13:15:28] <TomTomTosch> ionim: checkinstall works as a
wraper for make install, keeps track of the files and builds a
package for you.
1370 [13:15:43] <TomTomTosch> * wrapper
1371 [13:15:46] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, link? Also, lawl
1372 [13:16:08] <Pepe> BluesKaj I told you that it's working
on old kernel. What's changed? Kernel and their
modules/drivers. So yes! It's kernel!
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1377 [13:16:33] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, gonna try to see if sid mpv
can play it (I'm running sid)
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1380 [13:16:37] <BluesKaj> ok Pepe , then I'll leave it to
you then, good kuck
1381 [13:16:49] <BluesKaj> luck even
1382 [13:17:27] <wewlad>
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1383 [13:17:33] <ionim> Thanks TomTomTosh, no more simple way?
1384 [13:17:36] <Pepe> I see you're don't have enough
knowledge to help me. Nice to meet you then. I don't expect
support, but you tried help me, but you can't.
1385 [13:17:41] <mender27> And I'm just happy to see Debian
being such a great Linux-based operating system with everyone
contributing to it :).
1386 [13:17:45] <bazhang> wewlad, debian related?
1387 [13:17:53] <wewlad> mpv ytdl://I2FhmpoHMiQ works fine on
freebsd, but not on debian
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1389 [13:18:06] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, yep, it's working for
me on sid
1390 [13:18:25] <bazhang> wewlad, mpv works great
1391 [13:18:32] <Pepe> They're other people like petn-randall
and bazhang, which replied. I appreciate any help. ;-)
1392 [13:18:37] <TomTomTosch> ionim: it really is as simple as
could be. you run checkinstall instead of make install and it guides
you through the process.
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1396 [13:19:35] <bazhang> you can even use mplayer with a mpv
backend
1397 [13:19:45] <bazhang> is smplayer
1398 [13:19:48] <bazhang> ie
1399 [13:19:57] <ionim> Thanks! TomTomTosch ok...
1400 [13:20:14] <wewlad> how to update debian itself?
1401 [13:20:52] <ionim> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
1402 [13:20:52] <TimurTheLame> wewlad, switch to testing or sid?
1403 [13:20:56] <bazhang> wewlad, like unattended upgrades?
1404 [13:21:28] <wewlad> how to get know which version of debian I
am using?
1405 [13:21:42] <wewlad> I suspect it is not latest stable release
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1412 [13:23:12] <ionim> cat /etc/debian_version
1413 [13:23:40] <BluesKaj> Pepe, I admit I don't kow much
about dvb-c tuner etc , but i still think your audio settings in
alsa and pulseaudio may have changed with new kernel, that's
worth checking
1414 [13:23:57] <ionim> wewlad desintoxicate you are in the other
side
1415 [13:24:36] <wewlad> it is 8.7
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1417 [13:25:16] <tinyhippo> hi - I've installed debian 8 from
a netinstall, but I'm having trouble getting wifi working - how
do I find which wifi driver I need?
1418 [13:26:11] <ionim> dmesg lspci lsmod
1419 [13:26:21] <TomTomTosch> tinyhippo: lspci -nnk | grep -i
network then you can use the pci id to check online or in here.
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1422 [13:27:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, firmware
1423 [13:27:03] <Pepe> tinyhippo I would rather use lsusb / lsusb
-t and check it with wikidevi or you can ask Google to help you :-)
1424 [13:27:22] <abrotman> not likely usb
1425 [13:27:31] <tinyhippo> TomTomTosch: lspci -nnk | grep -i
network returns nothing...
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1427 [13:28:01] <tinyhippo> Pepe: lsusb only returns USB bus ports
1428 [13:28:10] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Do you have any network at
all at the moment?
1429 [13:28:17] <abrotman> (wired ethernet for example)
1430 [13:28:21] <Pepe> tinyhippo yes, but you didnt even said if
you have pcie wifi or usb wifi. ;-)
1431 [13:28:21] <tinyhippo> yes, wired ethernet
1432 [13:28:34] <tinyhippo> Pepe: I have no idea
1433 [13:28:37] <abrotman> tinyhippo: run
'update-pciids' .. try again with lspci
1434 [13:28:37] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, just run lspci and lookf or
mobile controller
1435 [13:29:17] <tinyhippo> abrotman: nothing still
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1438 [13:29:30] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you pastebin your entire
"lspci -nn
1439 [13:29:32] <abrotman> "
1440 [13:29:38] <abrotman> paste.debian.net please
1441 [13:29:58] <laughingtiger> hi everytime I installed
fglrx-driver, my laptop boots into black screen, the system was
running I can type command blindly, just black screen no tty either.
pls help me thank you.
1442 [13:30:22] <tinyhippo> abrotman:
replaced-url
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1445 [13:31:09] <laughingtiger> system is debian jessie, asus with
hd6370m. thank you thank you.
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1447 [13:31:36] <abrotman> tinyhippo: is there a wifi switch on
your laptop?
1448 [13:31:48] <laughingtiger> I don't wanna go back to
windows
1449 [13:32:19] <abrotman> tinyhippo: either hardware, or a Fn key
switch
1450 [13:32:27] <tinyhippo> abrotman: there's a function key
for it, but that doesn't seem to do anything
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1452 [13:33:02] <tinyhippo> if it were affected by a switch, I
would have at least expected it, in network manager, to say
"Hardware Disabled" or some such
1453 [13:33:50] <laughingtiger> I even installed kubuntu which was
a horrible horrible expierence I don't understand so much
effort and work they put into just to make it stupider and uglier
fatter thank windows.
1454 [13:33:51] <abrotman> There isn't a wifi adapter showing
in your lspci at all. you can try lsusb. otherwise, there's a
switch or rfkill toggle
1455 [13:34:03] <laughingtiger> than
1456 [13:34:24] <abrotman> tinyhippo: there's an
update-usbids also that might trigger it to show your adapter .. but
I'm more leaning toward the switch or rfkill
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1458 [13:34:49] <tinyhippo> abrotman: rfkill list shows nothing
1459 [13:35:45] <tinyhippo> this is the outpout of lsusb
(following an update-usbids)
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1460 [13:35:48] <laughingtiger> so I guess this machine is
hopeless then.
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1463 [13:36:15] <abrotman> tinyhippo: anything in your dmesg
relating to your wireless?
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1465 [13:37:16] <laughingtiger> thank you so much for your help.
1466 [13:37:21] <tinyhippo> abrotman: one thing that looks like a
realtek driver - r8169 0000:0e:00.0: firmware: direct-loading
firmware rtl-nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
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1469 [13:37:53] <abrotman> that's probably your wired card
1470 [13:38:16] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, think it's this: Intel
Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev 93
1471 [13:38:59] <tinyhippo> so I'd need iwlwifi for that to
work?
1472 [13:39:25] <abrotman> yeah, but that doesn't really seem
like it
1473 [13:39:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, not really
1474 [13:40:01] <TomTomTosch> it's a bus bridge. says it
right there. ^^
1475 [13:40:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> ,pciid 8086:2448
1476 [13:40:06] <judd> [8086:2448] is '82801 Mobile PCI
Bridge' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See
also
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1478 [13:40:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> the fascinating bit is the snd*
module judd lists
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1482 [13:41:07] <BluesKaj> hmm snd is audio
1483 [13:42:21] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, but I also found this
replaced-url
1484 [13:42:21] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you paste all of your
dmesg?
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1486 [13:42:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> not here, though, use
paste.debian.net
1487 [13:43:02] <abrotman> that's from 2009, and likely not
relevant anymore
1488 [13:43:20] <tinyhippo>
replaced-url
1489 [13:43:27] <tinyhippo> ^ dmesg output
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1491 [13:43:59] <ionim> I don't remember the url's but
exist some webs with distro guides for laptops, very very good
resource. linuxonlaptop...
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1493 [13:44:23] <BluesKaj> abrotman, that just means he's a
launchpad member since 2009 , not the bug
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1496 [13:45:45] <BluesKaj> but who knows how old that bug is
1497 [13:46:02] <abrotman> BluesKaj: the post is from 2009
1498 [13:46:13] <abrotman> tinyhippo: can you do the Fn toggle,
and see if it outputs anything to dmesg
1499 [13:46:36] <abrotman> ionim: linux-laptop.net
1500 [13:46:38] <BluesKaj> yeaj abrotman mt ol eyes finally saw
that
1501 [13:46:45] <BluesKaj> my old
1502 [13:46:48] <tinyhippo> no output, abrotman
1503 [13:47:16] <abrotman> tinyhippo: and this worked in another
distro, or windows?
1504 [13:48:00] <tinyhippo> abrotman: windows 7, 8 and 10 it was
fine, this is the first time I've installed debian on this
machine
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1508 [13:48:31] <abrotman> I wonder if it has to do with CRDA
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1510 [13:48:56] <themill> CutMeOwnThroat: pci-id wildcard
matching.
1511 [13:49:10] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Do you have the crda and
wireless-regdb installed?
1512 [13:49:16] <tinyhippo> nope
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1514 [13:50:11] <overdrive> bazhang, petn-randall, mzs114,
mender27: Thanks, I am using jessie testing, I added the backports
now... however when I am doing apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade I do not get any new packages
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1516 [13:52:25] <n4dir> /msg dpkg stable backports
1517 [13:53:43] <ionim> thanks people, a pleasure (bye)
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1519 [13:54:02] <n4dir> !debian-backports
1520 [13:54:02] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable
(<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
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1521 [13:54:04] <abrotman> tinyhippo: it seems to imply it's
for your driver, but it's odd it's not showing in lspci at
all
1522 [13:54:46] <n4dir> overdrive: look at the instructions, how
to install packages from backports (apt-get install -t
jessie-backports pkgname)
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1524 [13:55:23] <abrotman> overdrive: you have to explicitly
install those packages, they're not a general upgrade
1525 [13:55:50] <overdrive> abrotman: oh, my idea was to use for
all of them, now I understand
1526 [13:55:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> themill, sounds wild… are
you saying some are longer than otherS?
1527 [13:56:07] <overdrive> so I must be explicit for each of
them.
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1530 [13:56:19] <abrotman> overdrive: I don't think
you'd want all of them, just a hunch
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1532 [13:56:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> overdrive, there still is no
jessie testing
1533 [13:57:30] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, is this an older laptop?
1534 [13:57:44] <overdrive> abrotman: ok thanks a lot :-)
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1537 [13:58:18] <themill> CutMeOwnThroat: snd-hda-intel claims to
support every device PCI intel makes
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1543 [13:58:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> overdrive, backports is meant to
provide newer versions for stable for the few packages you really
want newer versions of…
1544 [13:58:35] <themill> I need to come up with a way of
blacklisting things
1545 [13:59:08] <overdrive> CutMeOwnThroat: aha, good... thanks
for clarification. Now everything makes sense :)
1546 [13:59:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> themill, that's pretty
cool… so this is the only kernel module you ever need for
intel stuff™
1547 [13:59:21] <abrotman> tinyhippo: did oyu install those
packages and reboot/try again?
1548 [13:59:45] <BluesKaj> themill, yes snd-hda-intel is
ubiquitous
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1550 [14:00:34] <overdrive> thanks a lot ppl for help!
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1552 [14:00:45] <tinyhippo> BluesKaj: yes it is, probably 2010ish
1553 [14:01:10] <tinyhippo> abrotman: I was wrong sorry, those
packages were installed
1554 [14:01:37] <BluesKaj> themill, and it woks perfectly with
alsa, no need for pulsaudio's extra layer of processing
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1556 [14:03:18] <themill> BluesKaj: you're having a different
conversation to everyone else
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1560 [14:04:03] <abrotman> heh
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1566 [14:05:06] <BluesKaj> themill, just trying to be informative
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1572 [14:06:57] <BluesKaj> wow, this place full of crappy
"attitude today
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1578 [14:07:51] <themill> BluesKaj: you're trying to explain
to me code that I wrote a decade ago. It's not going to go
well.
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1581 [14:09:14] <abrotman> *micdrop*
1582 [14:09:38] <abrotman> tinyhippo: what model laptop is this?
1583 [14:09:46] <BluesKaj> tinyhippo, what's that intel iw
-something wifi driver that's in use you mentioned above
1584 [14:09:56] <tinyhippo> abrotman: toshiba satellite c660
1585 [14:11:14] <BluesKaj> themill, well bully for you, now i know
where you get the pull rank attitude, ..pat yourself on the shoulder
if you must
1586 [14:11:33] <abrotman> BluesKaj: please let it go, move on
1587 [14:11:43] <themill> actually, the utterly irrelevant
nonsense about pulse was more annoying
1588 [14:11:50] <BluesKaj> abrotman, i jusr did
1589 [14:12:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> think we're all set
1590 [14:12:51] <abrotman> tinyhippo: could you install
firmware-realtek .. from what I can tell, it should be a realtek
driver
1591 [14:13:11] <abrotman> BluesKaj: Thank goodness, now we can
all live in peace.
1592 [14:13:34] <BluesKaj> abrotman, let's hope so
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1597 [14:17:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> !sunday
1598 [14:17:31] <dpkg> Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to
#debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
1599 [14:17:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> "done"
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1605 [14:23:07] <mender27> Oh well. Out to take a walk. See you
everyone and keep up the good spirits! :)
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1610 [14:25:40] <BluesKaj> hmm, debian wikis block my vpn,
bummer::/
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1632 [14:36:15] <tinyhippo> abrotman: that's already
installed :(
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1636 [14:38:51] <abrotman> tinyhippo: Maybe a BIOS update, but
I'm about out of ideas .. it seems like it should
"work" at this point
1637 [14:39:00] <abrotman> or at least show up in lspci
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1708 [15:19:59] <JohnA> is there a way of getting a list of
installed packages/software? I have three servers and I am trying to
work out why one seems have more software on it thatn the others.
1709 [15:20:19] <shomon> hi, I've set up vino and am trying
to connect via vnc. If I telnet to port 5900 I get RFB 003.007 but I
can't seem to connect from outside even though it shows up okay
on netstat
1710 [15:20:28] <Papillon> dpkg -l iirc
1711 [15:20:28] <dpkg> ii iirc 1.3-2.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian
package
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1713 [15:20:31] <missmbob> JohnA: dpkg -l |grep ^i
1714 [15:20:44] <missmbob> you need the grep part as well
1715 [15:20:46] <shomon> how can I tell if some other firewall or
the router is stopping this connecting
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1717 [15:22:48] <teraflops> if you cannot reach from outside but
the service is listening, then something else is blocking it ^
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1719 [15:22:52] <petn-randall> shomon: You can run 'iptables
-L -vn' as root on the Debian machines involved.
1720 [15:23:01] <shomon> thanks, I'll try!
1721 [15:23:36] <missmbob> probably need to set up port forwarding
on the router to work from the outside
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1723 [15:24:03] <JohnA> missmbob, Thanks you very much!!
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1725 [15:24:31] <Papillon> although you really don't want to
be telnetting outside your home lan
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1731 [15:25:04] <Papillon> it's like taking the front door
off your house leaving only a screen door
1732 [15:25:17] <shomon> it's from inside the lan..
1733 [15:25:27] <lysol> so its like an inside screen door?
1734 [15:25:49] <Papillon> port forwarding works when you're
trying to access, for instance, a home server from work when your
home network uses NAT
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1744 [15:31:52] <petn-randall> Papillon: That's still
irrelevant for the problem. shomon doesn't intend to telnet to
their server, they just used it for debugging.
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1753 [15:35:05] <shomon> petn-randall: what should I look for in
the output of that command?
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1762 [15:37:50] <Bliepo> Hey everyone! I have a server which also
functions as router but I have a bit of a problem. I use dnsmasq for
DNS on the LAN side. I want dnsmasq to do 'split horizon'
DNS: I want to return the gateway IP for my domain name on the LAN
side and on the loopback interface I want it to point to 127.0.0.1.
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1766 [15:39:21] <Bliepo> Now I excluded the loopback and WAN
interface from dnsmasq, but now DNS is working for my LAN side, but
not on the server (if I try to ping google it doesn't work)
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1768 [15:39:53] <petn-randall> shomon: You can paste it to
replaced-url
1769 [15:39:59] <shomon> ok
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1778 [15:42:04] <Bliepo> Is using bind9 the only option for me?
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1780 [15:42:13] <shomon> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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1787 [15:44:40] <petn-randall> shomon: Ah, you've got port
5900 allowed (line 158 + 159), but the packet counter (first column)
is zero which means that no connection attempts have reached that
port.
1788 [15:44:49] <shomon> yup..
1789 [15:45:04] <shomon> so I guess it's the router?
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1811 [15:54:01] <shomon> ah but if telnet gave back that data..
maybe that's not it connecting but some other thing..
1812 [15:54:44] <shomon> brb
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1854 [16:11:01] <reactormonk> I need python-twisted 17.1.0 -
what's the correct way to install it?
1855 [16:11:29] <reactormonk> 8.7
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1857 [16:11:48] <dvs> ,v python-twisted
1858 [16:11:49] <judd> Package: python-twisted on amd64 -- wheezy:
12.0.0-1; wheezy-backports: 13.2.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 14.0.2-3;
jessie-backports: 16.2.0-1~bpo8+1; sid: 16.6.0-2; stretch: 16.6.0-2
1859 [16:13:00] <zxd> hi
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1862 [16:14:00] <zxd> when creating a package with
dpkg-buildpackage how does it know what libraries and packages
dependencies to put in the meta data of the deb file?
1863 [16:14:18] <reactormonk> dvs, is there something like
downloading the build sources and changing the version and see if
that works out?
1864 [16:15:15] <TomTomTosch> reactormonk: you can install it
using pip. the package is named Twisted.
1865 [16:15:50] <zxd> what's debian developer channel
1866 [16:15:52] <TomTomTosch> zxd: dependency information is
listed in the control file.
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1871 [16:16:40] <zxd> TomTomTosch: it isn't resolved after
the file is compiled?
1872 [16:16:42] <zxd> program
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1877 [16:19:40] <missmbob> zxd: no. whatever the maintainer puts
in debian/control
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1912 [16:35:41] <georgia> anyone on? I just upgraded to stretch
but I have a lot of obsolete/held back/autoremovable packages
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1917 [16:39:29] <shomon> petn-randall: I'm wondering how to
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1919 [16:40:05] <hanasaki> why would my cpu always report running
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1920 [16:40:49] <Papillon> some cpu frequency monitors aren't
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1929 [16:43:11] <missmbob> georgia: more people with
stretch/upgrade experience on their channel: #debian-next on oftc
1930 [16:43:34] <georgia> I'll try that.
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1966 [16:58:16] <Leverator> Is here anybody using Debian Stretch?
1967 [16:58:31] <missmbob> a lot more in #debian-next on oftc are
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1972 [16:59:00] <Leverator> I can't join #debian-next: "
Leverator #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be
invited" ...
1973 [16:59:08] <missmbob> it's on oftc, not freenode
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1989 [17:03:02] <abrotman> Leverator: you can try asking here
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1994 [17:05:02] <BluesKaj> Leverator, your nick needs to be
registered on OFTC
1995 [17:05:19] <missmbob> he's already there
1996 [17:05:54] <BluesKaj> ok, I was just there, didn't see
him
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2001 [17:09:34] <shomon> I am trying to get chromium to run, but
it has nss root cert errors I think related to the software not
having much support.. how do I copy settings from chromium onto some
other browser that can still work under debian?
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2003 [17:10:25] <abrotman> BluesKaj: and no, you don't need
to be registered
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2005 [17:11:29] <BluesKaj> odd abrotman, the debian chat suggested
that i register ....guess it's not mandatory
2006 [17:11:40] <abrotman> BluesKaj: ON OFTC ..
2007 [17:11:55] <BluesKaj> abrotman, yes OFTC
2008 [17:12:00] <abrotman> no
2009 [17:12:13] <abrotman> One of you, or your client, is broken
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2011 [17:13:26] <BluesKaj> abrotman, ??
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2015 [17:14:25] <dpkg> No, those is my gouda today, BluesKaj?
Trousers of the People's Republic of Tahiti with extra
anchovies.
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2017 [17:15:33] <BluesKaj> abrotman, my irc client is fine , the
reference was about another user
2018 [17:15:49] * abrotman believes he knows which is broken
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2064 [17:44:00] <J1sy> Help why isnt there a gui for debian i
select kde and a i get is config is locked/failed, i tried from
tasksel no difference help please ;-(
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2066 [17:45:12] <TomTomTosch> J1sy: sounds like you didn't
run tasksel as root.
2067 [17:45:53] <abrotman> I think he wants kiosk mode
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2071 [17:47:28] <abrotman> oh, I misread
2072 [17:47:56] <abrotman> J1sy: you choose KDE where? Did you
install KDE? are you trying to login as root?
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2076 [17:48:12] <psychoticwarrior> what do u like better KDE or
GDM
2077 [17:48:23] <abrotman> those are different things
2078 [17:48:29] <J1sy> Not sure i will try as root then, are the
files include for kde and gtk
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2080 [17:48:32] <abrotman> and that conversation is silly
2081 [17:48:41] <abrotman> J1sy: you sohuldn't login as root
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2083 [17:49:00] <J1sy> KDE ALL THE WAY
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2086 [17:53:02] <J1sy> I recently TRY LM18,IT WAS GOod IT worked
then i saw debiam comes with many software told myself i just had to
have it, downloaded the 3 disks for 32bit and 64bit
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2093 [17:54:38] <hello123d> I can't get linux to install on
this new computer. I burned an iso live cd with rufus. However, when
I get in the alternative boot menu and pick "boot from
usb" nothing happens.
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2096 [17:55:18] <mtn> !win32diskimager
2097 [17:55:18] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
2098 [17:55:27] <CrowX-> is it normal for debian minimal not to
have ping installed by default?
2099 [17:55:35] <mtn> hello123d: also better than rufus
2100 [17:55:35] <CrowX-> i.e. does it not include it by default?
2101 [17:55:40] <abrotman> CrowX-: depends how you did the
install, but possible
2102 [17:55:58] <CrowX-> abrotman, I'm using a debian
template for a lxc container
2103 [17:56:02] <CrowX-> and it doesn't have ping
2104 [17:56:12] <CrowX-> I want to know if that's common, or
something is wrong with this tempalte
2105 [17:56:13] <CrowX-> template*
2106 [17:56:19] <hello123d> thanks, i'll try win32diskimager
2107 [17:56:28] <abrotman> judd: info ping
2108 [17:56:29] <judd> No package named 'ping' was found
in jessie/amd64.
2109 [17:56:42] <hello123d> it's not installd by default on
win10?
2110 [17:56:57] <CrowX-> judd, the package was something like
iputils-ping or similar
2111 [17:57:01] <CrowX-> but the tool is ping
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2113 [17:57:02] <abrotman> CrowX-: yeah, the package is
"extra", so it's possible
2114 [17:57:02] <mtn> hello123d: I think you need to get it
2115 [17:57:03] <Pavr> dpkg gave you a link to it hello123d
2116 [17:57:04] <dpkg> Pavr: I give up, what is it?
2117 [17:57:08] <J1sy> Waste of time with rufus use win32 image
load it works and debian is 190% support
2118 [17:57:21] <jim> does debian have installers for arm anymore?
2119 [17:57:31] <abrotman> CrowX-: iputils is
"important" so, yes
2120 [17:57:32] <abrotman> jim: yes
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2122 [17:58:10] <jim> abrotman, ok... I'm on the site, but I
don't see it,,, can you provide a link?
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2124 [17:58:25] <hello123d> I already disabled secureboot (and
windows fastboot) but are there other bios options I need to tweak
to get it to run?
2125 [17:58:36] <BluesKaj> raspbian, based on bedian jessie
2126 [17:58:44] <abrotman> jim:
replaced-url
2127 [17:58:52] <BluesKaj> debian-jessie even :-)
2128 [17:58:55] <abrotman> BluesKaj: Please stop, you're not
helping anyone, and you're causing problems
2129 [17:58:57] <jim> thanks
2130 [17:59:47] <psychoticwarrior> wida
2131 [17:59:49] <BluesKaj> pixel desktop
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2133 [18:00:00] <abrotman> CrowX-: so, if you'd have used a
regular installer, it would be very unlikely, but not sure with a
pre-built container
2134 [18:00:03] <jim> so I see... any with the nonfree firmware?
2135 [18:00:11] <abrotman> dpkg: tell jim about firmware images
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2137 [18:00:15] <abrotman> not sure if they exist for arm
2138 [18:00:21] <CrowX-> I see
2139 [18:00:22] <CrowX-> thanks
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2142 [18:00:30] <abrotman> doesn't seem so
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2145 [18:01:30] <BluesKaj> jim yes
2146 [18:01:39] <hello123d> eh, windows32diskimager wanted an img
file for some reason, but i gave it an iso instead. i hope that
doesn't matter
2147 [18:01:50] <missmbob> hello123d: it doesnt
2148 [18:01:58] <abrotman> hello123d: no, it's dumb like
that, but the outcome is functional
2149 [18:02:53] <hello123d> thanks, i'll try
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2151 [18:03:31] <BluesKaj> jim jessie main contrib non-free rpi
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2158 [18:04:31] <TomTomTosch> i can't find non-free images
for arm either.
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2161 [18:05:03] <abrotman> you could create your own, or get them
from a USB drive during the install
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2163 [18:05:28] <jim> so put the .deb on the usb?
2164 [18:05:41] <hello123d> i had no luck. It displays
"Generic HDD usb device" but pressing it, does nothing,
not even an error.
2165 [18:05:57] <jim> or an -additional- usb drive?
2166 [18:06:21] <jim> (or could I put it on the same usb?)
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2168 [18:07:01] <jim> he wants to know if it can boot anyway, so
I'll link him to the image and deal with firmware issues later
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2170 [18:08:09] <TomTomTosch> you would format a second usb as fat
and put the firmware inside the directory /firmware
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2173 [18:08:41] <jim> TomTomTosch, it might be easier to just
install the base first]
2174 [18:08:59] <jim> then install the firmware from .debs
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2176 [18:09:11] <TomTomTosch> that's your choice.
2177 [18:09:37] <jim> well I'll pass the choice along to the
person I'm helping
2178 [18:10:44] <jim> anyway thanks abrotman, TomTomTosch,
BluesKaj
2179 [18:11:19] <jhutchins> hello123d: Did you verify the md5sum
of your download?
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2188 [18:18:26] <hello123d> jhutchins: the hashes match up,
however i think i need to check that i did burn the iso file and not
the torrent file by accident
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2197 [18:21:19] <hello123d> but first i'll disable "hide
known extensions"
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2202 [18:22:11] <dixsonhoepp> How to calibrate the monitor
permanently?
2203 [18:22:29] <maven27145> Hello, help needed. I'm sitting
Debian Jessie and trying to get Bumblebee to work. I installed the
latest nvidia driver from the guide on the Debian webpage, but as
soon as the driver is installed and I reboot, xorg fails, giving me
that "something went wrong" message. Anyone?
2204 [18:22:38] <hello123d> i'll try again
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2208 [18:22:53] <jim> abrotman, also I didn't catch the link
BluesKaj provided... oh wait, you quieted him? what was the problem
there?
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2215 [18:24:28] <Pavr> [17:39:02] BluesKaj
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2216 [18:24:38] <Orbstheorem> what is the 'sys' group
for on debian?
2217 [18:24:44] <Pavr> no parts from you after that
2218 [18:24:59] <psychoticwarrior> do u like tranny chaser grand
slam
2219 [18:25:09] <Pavr> durp
2220 [18:25:09] <init7> Is debian Testing a Rolling release ?
2221 [18:25:22] <hello123d> nope, it still won't boot the
livecd
2222 [18:25:26] <maven27145> init7, not rolling
2223 [18:25:29] <psychoticwarrior> rolling has issues with udev.
it just hangs
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2227 [18:25:48] <init7> maven27145: well is there any Rolling
release debian ?
2228 [18:26:01] <missmbob> init7: no
2229 [18:26:10] <maven27145> init7, no it defeats the purpose of
Debiam completely
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2232 [18:26:49] <init7> maven27145: I just saw at Distrowatch this
so I thought asking for Release Model: Fixed, Semi-Rolling, Rolling
2233 [18:27:15] <psychoticwarrior> check out /etc/apt/sources.list
2234 [18:27:17] <psychoticwarrior> gpk-prefs
2235 [18:27:28] <maven27145> init7, if you want roling, Arch is a
good choice
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2238 [18:28:07] <init7> maven27145: I am using Arch right now but
I do love Debian but I don't want to be out of date with apps
since I am using as a desktop user I want some of new packages to
2239 [18:28:16] <jhutchins> hello123d: Have you ever gotten it to
boot to the USB drive?
2240 [18:28:38] <jhutchins> hello123d: I would suggest exploring
various live options until you get it to work and figure out what
the steps are.
2241 [18:29:01] <maven27145> init7, totally understand.. I got my
own probs with my primus laptop. Debain aint built for shit like
this x)
2242 [18:29:45] <init7> maven27145: Have u tried Debian 9 Stretch
?
2243 [18:30:00] <maven27145> init7, no. Maybe I should
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2247 [18:30:26] <init7> maven27145: there's all new packages
even kernel is new not the latest but it's 4.9..... idk which
:P
2248 [18:30:38] <init7> maven27145: is 4.9.0-1
2249 [18:30:40] <maven27145> init7 Have you tried Arch with
Bumblebee by any chance?
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2251 [18:30:45] <missmbob> it's not latest because it's
frozen...because it's not rolling
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2253 [18:31:21] <jhutchins> maven27145: I haven't seen
anything in Stretch that would be specific to hybrid graphics.
That's a continuing project among multiple distributions, x.org
and freedesktop.org
2254 [18:31:49] <init7> maven27145: yeah it does work :P
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2257 [18:32:11] <init7> maven27145: hybrid grapich
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2259 [18:32:25] <maven27145> init7 Well, maybe I should switch to
Arch then. I just alway fak up the installation
2260 [18:32:33] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2261 [18:32:34] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
(4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
2262 [18:32:46] <init7> maven27145: you can use Manjaro it comes
with preinstalled window manager :P
2263 [18:32:57] <maven27145> I know..
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2265 [18:33:01] <dixsonhoepp> Hi, I need the calibration of the
monitor permanently
2266 [18:33:21] <maven27145> init7 but Im picky when it comes to
distros
2267 [18:33:49] <maven27145> dixon, you mean physical or software
wise?
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2271 [18:36:29] <maven27145> Well, I still need help with my xorg
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2273 [18:37:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> guys how do i trouble shoot a half
configured package in debian?
2274 [18:37:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> there isnt crap in the dpkg.log
file
2275 [18:38:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> how am i suppose to know where to
look for issue
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2277 [18:39:02] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, can you paste the output of
apt-get in paste.debian.net?
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2280 [18:41:04] <Papillon> dpkg --reconfigure?
2281 [18:41:06] <dpkg> Papillon: are you using Windows?
2282 [18:41:18] <Papillon> AM I BEING DETAINED!
2283 [18:41:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm
2284 [18:41:51] <hanasaki> Papillon: thanks. seems to work if root
does this after boot... cpufreq-set -d 800Mhz / the current driver
when it stays at max speed is "driver: acpi-cpufreq
2285 [18:41:51] <hanasaki> " upon boot. that do you think?
2286 [18:41:52] <Eryn_1983_FL> i fixed it
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2288 [18:42:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> detained?
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2292 [18:42:31] <Papillon> dpkg bot was asking me accusitorial
questions
2293 [18:42:32] <dpkg> Papillon: no idea
2294 [18:42:51] <Papillon> are you trying to set the minimum power
state frequency?
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2296 [18:43:23] <hanasaki> available cpufreq governors:
conservative, userspace, powersave, ondemand, performance, schedutil
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2303 [18:44:17] <hanasaki> Papillon: not sure what that means? min
power state?
2304 [18:44:29] <Papillon> minimum power state
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2306 [18:44:58] <Papillon> processors have a max freq and a min
freq. Say you get a 3GHz cpu, but you haven't done anything in
a few mins, it's idle with 0% cpu utilization
2307 [18:45:07] <Papillon> it clocks itself down to a minimum
power saving frequency
2308 [18:45:48] <hanasaki> Papillon: yes that sounds iright...
however w/o calling cpufreq-set min = max
2309 [18:46:07] <hanasaki> in the past I used ondemand... and that
worked fine.
2310 [18:46:08] <Papillon> cpufreq-set -d sets min cpu freq
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2313 [18:46:52] <Papillon> ondemand should be fine
2314 [18:46:58] <Papillon> they all basically work
2315 [18:47:19] <hanasaki> what's this acpi_cpufreq or
intel_pstates or ondemand? how do they differ?
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2317 [18:47:33] <hanasaki> the big problem is that it boots with
min=max
2318 [18:47:51] <Papillon> pstates is probably power states
2319 [18:47:52] <hanasaki> I want it to slow down when there is no
demand and run cooler / use less power
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2322 [18:48:29] <Papillon> on demand should work and that command
should set the minimum power state, so that should fix your problem
2323 [18:48:55] <hanasaki> how can I get it to boot into ondemand
or into the same as now "driver: acpi-cpufreq" but with
min =800 instead of min=max so it always runs full speed
2324 [18:49:38] <Papillon> you could put those in your user dot
file...
2325 [18:49:47] <Papillon> there also might be a way to put it in
your init config
2326 [18:49:54] <hanasaki> I even compiled a new kernel and set
the config for ondemand = default however it still comes up pstate
2327 [18:50:09] <neibo> e
2328 [18:50:30] <Papillon> pstate sounds like the driver for intel
processor power management
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2330 [18:50:39] <towo`> hanasaki, boot with intel_pstate=disable
2331 [18:51:05] <towo`> hanasaki, as long as your kernel is
compiled with intel_pstate enabled, it will be the default
2332 [18:51:45] <hanasaki> towo`: thanks. even if it's a
module?
2333 [18:51:48] <Papillon> pstate is the mechanism intel uses to
control processor frequency and power... It would be weird if it
pegged it at max cpu 100%
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2335 [18:51:59] <Orbstheorem> Are we supposed to modify
what's under /etc/default?
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2337 [18:52:07] <hanasaki> so what is intel_pstate supposed to
have for behavior / be good for?
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2339 [18:52:29] <Orbstheorem> supposed to be able to
2340 [18:53:03] <hello123d> jhutchins: yes, on other laptops, but
this is the first one that has secure boot enabled by default
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2344 [18:53:47] <hanasaki> hmmm towo` and Papillon : the kernel
build options have "*" for pstate and it cannot be
changed... sup w/ that?
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2347 [18:54:13] <hanasaki> Papillon: ya I get that... and it is
weird .. it is pegged to max
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2349 [18:54:26] <hanasaki> available frequency steps: 3.50 GHz,
3.50 GHz, 3.30 GHz, 3.10 GHz, 2.90 GHz, 2.70 GHz, 2.50 GHz, 2.30
GHz, 2.10 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.80 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.40 GHz, 1.20 GHz,
1000 MHz, 800 MHz
2350 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> current policy: frequency should be
within 3.50 GHz and 3.50 GHz.
2351 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> The governor "ondemand" may
decide which speed to use
2352 [18:54:52] <hanasaki> within this range.
2353 [18:55:05] <hanasaki> driver: acpi-cpufreq
2354 [18:55:23] <hanasaki> so ondemand AND acpi-cpufreq?
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2357 [18:55:52] <siiky> hey there everyone. instmodsh is using a
lot of CPU (100% on one of the cores), what is it doing? the man
page says its related to dpkg so id like to know, is it safe to kill
it?
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2359 [18:55:59] <siiky> its been running for about 10min now
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2370 [19:01:29] <maven27145> Still need help fixing my
xorg/xserver
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2372 [19:04:34] <Papillon> what's wrong with it?
2373 [19:04:47] <maven27145> pm me pls
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2376 [19:06:33] <maven27145> xorg gives me "smth went
wrong" error after insralling nvidia driver on primus laptop
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2380 [19:07:25] <lord_daemon> Using ftp, how do I make the mput
command not replace the files that are already there?
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2390 [19:12:44] <jhutchins> lord_daemon: You use rsync.
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2394 [19:14:55] <jhutchins> maven27145: It's better to have
technical discussions here in the open. If nothing else, other
people can learn from them, and people can contribute and point out
errors.
2395 [19:15:45] <maven27145> Ok. Still need help
2396 [19:16:01] <lord_daemon> jhutchins: I was doing a backup
routine ... Okay. So I'll try doing it with rsync
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2400 [19:16:39] <jhutchins> lord_daemon: rsync has some great
options for backups.
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2403 [19:17:47] <lord_daemon> thanks
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2416 [19:23:12] <georgia> No one is on debian-next.
2417 [19:23:59] <georgia> My upgrade to stretch failed. The reason
is that systemd : Breaks: rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5) but 1.0.1-1+b1 is to
be installed
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2420 [19:26:59] <JPT> debian next is on oftc, not on freenode
2421 [19:27:05] <georgia> I know.
2422 [19:27:16] <georgia> I checked there, no one active
2423 [19:27:34] <JPT> Well, perhaps most of them are sleeping?
Check back later :)
2424 [19:27:37] <georgia> I said that in advance because I figured
people would tell me to go there
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2427 [19:27:42] <mtn> georgia: you didnt' ask any question
there, as far as I can see
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2429 [19:28:05] <mtn> georgia: not in the last hour and a half,
anyway
2430 [19:28:06] <georgia> You're right, I waited for someone
to come on, and they didn't
2431 [19:28:14] <mtn> georgia: not how irc works
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2433 [19:28:18] <georgia> I said, "anyone on"?
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2435 [19:28:27] <mtn> georgia: Ask your question and if anyone can
help they will respond.
2436 [19:28:42] <mtn> georgia: not in the last hour and a half,
anyway
2437 [19:29:26] <georgia> If they don't will you help? Is
there a way I can not install rdnssd? I believe it's part of
stretch's implementation of ipv6
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2439 [19:29:34] <mtn> georgia: go there and ask your real
question. wait for an answer
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2443 [19:30:15] <missmbob> waiting hours isnt uncommon. ask and be
patient.
2444 [19:30:17] <Papillon> you could try manually installing a
rdnssd that's more recent?
2445 [19:30:32] <Papillon> try installing rdnssd 1.0.1-5
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2447 [19:30:48] <Papillon> or you could try forcing stuff
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2449 [19:31:05] <n4dir> after an hour or so i guess asking again
won't be that big a problem. Though in general #debian-next
doesn't seem that active. Asking also in a forum might be an
option
2450 [19:31:17] <babilen> I guess the question is: How did you try
to upgrade to stretch? (and -next would be a better place)
2451 [19:31:53] <Dagger> stretch has 1.0.3-3 so that's what
you could try... but why is apt-get not installing it for you if
it's required?
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2454 [19:32:53] <georgia> woops banned for flooding
2455 [19:33:00] <georgia> stupid copy paste
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2458 [19:33:14] <georgia> actually I was kicked
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2460 [19:33:25] <mtn> georgia: and still in the wrong channel. you
want #debian-next, not #debian
2461 [19:34:07] <Papillon> try installing rdnssd 1.0.1-5
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2470 [19:39:48] <pgrunwald> Hi all - I just set up lxc as per
replaced-url
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2500 [20:01:11] <pgrunwald> root@stretch:/# cat $PATH
2501 [20:01:11] <pgrunwald> cat:
'/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games':
No such file or directory
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2505 [20:02:03] <newcoder> Is it possible to install php7 in
debian 8?
2506 [20:02:06] <newcoder> ,v php
2507 [20:02:07] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
sid: 1:7.0+51
2508 [20:02:17] <newcoder> ,v php7
2509 [20:02:18] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found
in amd64.
2510 [20:02:21] <missmbob> newcoder: not in any recommended way
that wont break things
2511 [20:02:49] <newcoder> What is that way?
2512 [20:03:02] <missmbob> the not recommended way?
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2514 [20:03:17] <missmbob> !dotdeb
2515 [20:03:17] <dpkg>
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2516 [20:03:34] <missmbob> unsupported and unrecommended. do it
and you're on your own
2517 [20:03:58] <OerHeks> make sure you use 7.0 in search
2518 [20:04:02] <OerHeks> ,v php7.0
2519 [20:04:04] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2;
stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3
2520 [20:04:31] <newcoder> Not in jessie
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2522 [20:04:39] <newcoder> Why will dotdeb break system?
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2524 [20:04:55] <newcoder> missmbob: ^
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2526 [20:05:01] <missmbob> they're known to make low quality
debs. it may not break. it might. you're on your own.
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2528 [20:05:11] <missmbob> and i've gotta go for a few
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2531 [20:05:22] <newcoder> Where can I get high quality
php7.0.deb?
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2576 [20:20:06] <zykotick9> on a fresh install of debian (jessie)
on the lenovo laptop - my ALT+# are producing unexpected character
(in Xorg, VT everything is fine) - for example ALT+5 gives
"µ" -- this is creating a problem when using irssi
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2605 [20:31:22] <somiaj> zykotick9: what terminal? In tmux?
Anyways I can confirm, alt-5 produces µ here too. In irssi use
ctrl-n and ctrl-p to switch windows, so it dones't get in my
way
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2608 [20:32:09] <somiaj> it is probably the terminal taking the
keybinding and not passing it to the app, unsure if this is due to
utf-8 or something else
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2610 [20:34:06] <zykotick9> somiaj: thank you. it's xterm
specific, after install urxvt, my alt keys are working as expected
again. Thanks!
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2613 [20:34:49] <somiaj> there maybe a way to configure xterm to
not do that.
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2624 [20:41:21] <somiaj> zykotick9: click ctrl + leftclick on
xterm, this opens down a menu, select Meta Sends Escape and you get
the alt keys working like they should in irssi
2625 [20:41:39] <somiaj> zykotick9: there is also an option for
this via .Xdefults you can configure it to be default
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2629 [20:44:03] <zykotick9> somiaj: thanks again.
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2641 [20:54:17] <reactormonk> ,v python-openssl
2642 [20:54:20] <judd> Package: python-openssl on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.13-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.13-2+deb7u1; jessie: 0.14-1;
jessie-backports: 16.0.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 16.2.0-1; sid: 16.2.0-1
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2656 [21:00:12] <hello123d> I have been able to run the debian
live cd, but I wasn't able to connect to any network.
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2661 [21:01:33] <mtn> hello123d: what network card are you trying
to use?
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2663 [21:01:55] <missmbob> that's pretty normal. live cd
doesnt include firmware that your card may need to function
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2669 [21:03:06] <missmbob> if you get the iso from here, it will
include nonfree firmware.
replaced-url
2670 [21:04:11] <missmbob> it'll increase your chances anyway
2671 [21:04:46] <hello123d> mtn: Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC
8260
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2674 [21:05:20] <mtn> hello123d: you need the iso with firmware,
as missmbob said
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2676 [21:05:50] <hello123d> missmbob: thanks, i'll use the
non-free iso in that case
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2683 [21:08:46] <hello123d> I want my network card to work before
installation instead of having to fix it afterwards
2684 [21:09:04] <missmbob> hello123d: you're trying to
install with this?
2685 [21:09:04] <hello123d> too bad, there is no free driver (yet)
for this hardware
2686 [21:09:27] <mtn> hello123d: the drive is free, the firmware
is not
2687 [21:09:35] <missmbob> hello123d: you never install with live
iso. live install has many bugs
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2690 [21:10:24] <hello123d> missmbob: i always installed with live
iso so far
2691 [21:10:35] <missmbob> hello123d: stop. get the iso from here
2692 [21:10:38] <missmbob> !firmware iso
2693 [21:10:38] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
2694 [21:10:50] <missmbob> that's the proper installer, not
live, with nonfree firmware
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2696 [21:12:05] <hello123d> Then why not put a warning on
debian.org that there are bugs with the live installer?
2697 [21:12:17] <hello123d> when installing from them
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2699 [21:12:31] <abrotman> does debian.org suggest to use the
liveCD as the installer?
2700 [21:12:51] <hello123d> it doesn't explicitely advise
against it
2701 [21:12:59] <Papillon> there's a netinst
2702 [21:13:01] <abrotman> does it tell you that it's
supported? or recommend it?
2703 [21:13:04] <Papillon> it's about 250MB
2704 [21:13:31] * abrotman isn't aware anywhere that it suggests it
is okay
2705 [21:13:48] <hello123d> When you are ready, you can run the
included installer
2706 [21:13:59] <hello123d> is what it says
2707 [21:13:59] <abrotman> from where?
2708 [21:14:30] <abrotman> hello123d: yes, I see it .. perhaps it
does need a bug filed against it
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2710 [21:14:36] <hello123d>
replaced-url
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2712 [21:14:51] <missmbob> anyway, use the proper installer i
linked you to, not live
2713 [21:15:19] <abrotman> I wonder if you can install from the
bootloader instead of from the running system
2714 [21:15:22] <hello123d> i don't see the harm, but if you
are are sure, i'll download an iso without live
2715 [21:15:41] <missmbob> yes i'm sure it has bugs
2716 [21:15:55] <Papillon> netinstaller. 10/10 would netinstall
again
2717 [21:16:06] <Papillon> actually it could be improved
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2721 [21:16:58] <somiaj> the live installer has two forms, if you
boot into the installer you are using a very close to offical
installer. If you click the installer from inside the live
enviroment, that is a different installer.
2722 [21:17:00] <hello123d> If the installer on the non-live-cd is
better, than why not include that installer on the livecd?
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2726 [21:18:18] <somiaj> hello123d: if you boot directly into the
installer you get a very near offical installer. There are some
differences, the biggest is no efi support on the live images. There
are some small differences, but using the installer instead of
installing from the live enviroment should be suggested if
installing from a live image.
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2729 [21:18:43] <somiaj> though I still suggest the offical
installers, the live project was a side project that hasn't
seen to much development (just maintance) in a while.
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2737 [21:22:32] <mender27> Evening there.
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2740 [21:22:52] <Papillon> hi
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2747 [21:23:48] <guest12345> Papillon: hello
2748 [21:24:24] <Pepe> Feel free to reply:
replaced-url
2749 [21:24:30] <Papillon> hi
2750 [21:25:19] <guest12345> I am having some issues right now
with my wifi card (of a laptop). I can't find it with the lspci
command. What should I do next?
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2753 [21:25:59] <guest12345> some background: I did the net
installation and used the ethernet cable
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2755 [21:26:06] <Papillon> did it come with the laptop from the
manufacturer?
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2757 [21:26:26] <somiaj> guest12345: have you checked lsusb, are
you sure it is a pci wifi card, what else do you ikniow about the
card?
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2761 [21:28:27] <guest12345> somiaj: I know about its drivers. net
inst mentioned them as missing firmware. they are included in the
realtek-firmware package which i installed
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2764 [21:29:17] <somiaj> guest12345: you should be able to see the
card if you don't have the correct drivers, so I would first
locate and determine which card you have.
2765 [21:29:33] <somiaj> guest12345: if it isn't in lspci, is
it a pci card? could it be on the usb bus? lsusb?
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2769 [21:30:21] <somiaj> guest12345: dmesg | grep -i firmware can
also help if all it did was fail to load firmware, it should tell
you what firmware failed.
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2774 [21:31:38] <abrotman> guest12345: were you here earlier? the
toshiba?
2775 [21:31:52] <guest12345> abrotman: no
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2778 [21:33:07] <mender27> guest12345, if it's not lspci,
then it's either not connected or not on a pci bus as others
mentioned. OR it's set to OFF via a hardware switch.
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2781 [21:33:43] <mender27> Because that physically disables the
wifi card.
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2786 [21:35:04] <guest12345> somiaj: after running the dmesg |
grep -i firmware command i can see the card.
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2788 [21:35:05] <Papillon> could be not on the whitelist
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2790 [21:35:11] <Papillon> if it's on a thinkpad for instance
2791 [21:35:37] <somiaj> guest12345: okay? I don't know what
you can see, did the firmware load what card is it?
2792 [21:35:50] <guest12345> somiaj: i think so. where could i
paste?
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2794 [21:36:00] <somiaj> guest12345: putting output at a
paste.debian.net would help out.
2795 [21:36:22] <somiaj> guest12345: did the firmware load, or is
there a messagae saying failure to load firmware. If it loaded the
firmware then the module for the card is loaded.
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2801 [21:37:18] <guest12345> somiaj:
replaced-url
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2806 [21:38:39] <somiaj> guest12345: can you paste the output of
'ip addr' at paste.debian.net
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2821 [21:43:39] <mender27> guest12345, the pastebin you provided
only shows that the firmware was loaded.
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2824 [21:44:00] <mender27> Also, you should not need to load the
firmware manually. The driver/kernel module takes care of that :).
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2827 [21:45:46] <guest12345> is this the line you need somiaj ? 3:
wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN
group default qlen 1000
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2830 [21:46:34] <guest12345> 1. lo, 2. eh0. 3. that one and some
mac addresses, i think
2831 [21:46:43] <guest12345> eth0
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2833 [21:47:16] <somiaj> guest12345: your card is up and running
wlan0, so what do you want to do with it? How do you want to manage
it, do you just want some tool like network-manager?
2834 [21:47:21] <somiaj> guest12345: if so what DE did you use?
2835 [21:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1707
2836 [21:48:07] <tlund> If I want to request a package to be added
to jessie-backports, what should I do? (the packages in question are
"adb" and "fastboot")
2837 [21:48:17] <guest12345> somiaj: Wicd. i just added wlan0 on
the wifi interface and now i can see the networks. thanks :)
2838 [21:48:30] <guest12345> somiaj: will the firmware be loaded
automatically from now on?
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2840 [21:48:49] <somiaj> guest12345: yes, one just usually has to
reboot or reload the wifi module after installing the firmware
package.
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2843 [21:49:52] <somiaj> tlund:
replaced-url
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2846 [21:50:59] <guest12345> ok thanks. I will try rebooting
later.
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2849 [21:51:09] <tlund> somiaj: i already looked there, and could
not find it (unless the answer is "join the mailinglist")
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2851 [21:51:28] <tlund> I would preferr not to join the ML, ask
there, and then get chewed out because I ask in the wrong place. :)
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2856 [21:52:49] <guest12345> I have another question: how can I
force debian to do the security updates automatically? I am setting
up this computer for an old person that is not willing to learn how
to update packages. I was thinking about giving the user permission
to run the command, putting in in xinitrc after pinging successfully
the debian packages address. But there must be some simpler way?
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2859 [21:53:15] <missmbob> !unattended-upgrades
2860 [21:53:15] <dpkg> somebody said unattended-upgrades was a
package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended.
See
replaced-url
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2865 [21:54:19] <guest12345> i will try that. thanks for the
support!
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2870 [21:55:32] <somiaj> tlund: I would make your own and maybe
see if you could get a sponsor once you have it done. But besides
that I can't find any exact info but I think you just file an
RFP bug
replaced-url
2871 [21:55:51] <somiaj> tlund: I'm seeing various RFP bugs
for other requests for backported packages
2872 [21:55:52] <tlund> somiaj: If I could make my own, I would
not be here asking. :)
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2875 [21:56:11] <somiaj> !tell tlund about ssb
2876 [21:56:20] <somiaj> tlund: sometimes it is as simple as the
set of instructions the bot gave
2877 [21:56:38] <somiaj> just apt-get -b source packagename.
2878 [21:56:50] <somiaj> (after you ste up the build enviorment)
2879 [21:57:08] <tlund> !tell tlund about package recompile
2880 [21:57:39] <tlund> !tell tlund about debian/rules
2881 [21:57:53] <jelly> !tell tlund about msg the bot
2882 [21:57:54] <mender27> :D
2883 [21:58:41] <tlund> thanks jelly :)
2884 [22:00:18] <tlund> so if I have deb-src lines for both jessie
and sid, how do I download the sid source package? "apt-get -t
sid source adb" did not work. :(
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2886 [22:00:45] <mender27> tlund, what do you mean by "did
not work"?
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2888 [22:01:10] <tlund> mender27: E: The value 'sid' is
invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available
in the sources
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2890 [22:01:22] <jelly> you're going to get the latest
version by default and that usually means the one from unstable,
tlund
2891 [22:01:49] <tlund> jelly: thats not how jessie vs
jessie-backports work - but perhaps there is some magic there?
2892 [22:02:26] <tlund> or does "source" vs.
"install" work differently?
2893 [22:02:29] <hanasaki> Papillon:
replaced-url
2894 [22:02:31] <jelly> tlund, jessie-backports repo is configured
in a special way for that
2895 [22:02:50] <hello123d> I tried the non-free version of the
live cd but still wasn't able to connect. I'm using
Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260
2896 [22:03:01] <tlund> jelly: ah, ok. thanks.
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2898 [22:03:43] <mender27> hello123d, does the installer mention
you're missing firmware for the Intel wireless chip explicitly?
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2900 [22:04:19] <tlund> Ok, so it seems I cant build this because
it has build-deps on a package that is only in sid - so I guess I
just build and install that first?
2901 [22:04:34] <jelly> tlund, build what?
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2903 [22:04:44] <tlund> jelly: in this case,
"android-libunwind-dev"
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2905 [22:05:08] <hello123d> mender27: no, it's simply that it
always shows "disconnected" in wicd
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2907 [22:05:10] <jelly> judd, checkbackport android-libunwind-dev
--fromrelease sid
2908 [22:05:11] <judd> Backporting package android-libunwind-dev
in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, jessie-backports.
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2910 [22:05:42] <jelly> tlund, looks like build-depends ought to
be satisfied for that one
2911 [22:05:47] <tlund> judd, checkbackport adb --fromrelease sid
2912 [22:05:54] <judd> Backporting package adb in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: android-libunwind-dev (>= 7.0.0+r1~) [amd64 i386
armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el], libsafe-iop-dev [amd64 i386
armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel mips64el], android-libext4-utils-dev
(>= 7.0.0+r1~) [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel
mips64el] <!stage1>, android-libf2fs-utils-dev (>=
7.0.0+r1~)
2913 [22:05:55] <judd> [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64 mips mipsel
mips64el] <!stage1>, googletest [amd64 i386 armel armhf arm64
mips mipsel mips64el] <!stage1>.
2914 [22:06:31] <tlund> jelly: not sure what that meant -
android-libunwind-dev is neither in jessie nor jessie-backports?
2915 [22:06:51] <TomTomTosch> I can't find an adb package in
sid.
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2917 [22:07:16] <hello123d> mender27: i havn't yet tried the
installer with non-free. When i tried the installer without non-free
packages it said it failed to automatically configure the network.
2918 [22:07:34] <tlund> TomTomTosch: how are you looking? I found
it. :)
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2921 [22:07:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems judd also did
2922 [22:07:50] <TomTomTosch> ,v adb
2923 [22:07:51] <judd> Package: adb on amd64 -- sid: 1:7.0.0+r1-3;
stretch: 1:7.0.0+r1-3
2924 [22:07:56] <TomTomTosch> huh
2925 [22:08:32] <jelly> tlund, didn't ask for its existence,
just if it was sane to even try rebuilding it
2926 [22:08:56] <tlund> jelly: ah
2927 [22:08:59] <jelly> asking for existence would go something
like
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2929 [22:09:05] <mender27> hello123d, prior to that it should tell
you that you're missing firmware if you're missing
firmware indeed.
2930 [22:09:10] <jelly> judd, versions android-libunwind-dev
2931 [22:09:11] <judd> Package: android-libunwind-dev on amd64 --
sid: 7.0.0+r1-4; stretch: 7.0.0+r1-4
2932 [22:09:35] <jelly> tlund, and judd can be /msg'd as well
2933 [22:09:36] <hello123d> mender27: okay, then i'm either
not missing firmware or it fails to detect i'm missing firmware
2934 [22:09:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you saying that things that
don't exist can be sane to backport?
2935 [22:09:55] <mender27> hello123d, if you're running in
graphical mode, have a look at the other ttys. Maybe one of them is
running dmesg.
2936 [22:10:18] <jelly> CutMeOwnThroat, it's ONLY sane to
backport things that don't already exist, don't you thikn
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2938 [22:10:38] <hello123d> okay, and then check if one of them
says something nasty about missing firmware
2939 [22:10:50] <tlund> judd: If I understand correctly, I need to
build and install "android-libunwind-dev" before I can
build "adb", but build-dep for android-libunwind-dev seems
to require a newer debhelper. :(
2940 [22:10:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> not if they don't exist
where you want to backport them FROM,
2941 [22:10:59] <tlund> jelly: If I understand correctly, I need
to build and install "android-libunwind-dev" before I can
build "adb", but build-dep for android-libunwind-dev seems
to require a newer debhelper. :(
2942 [22:11:09] <missmbob> tlund: debhelper is found in
jessie-backports
2943 [22:11:11] <mender27> hello123d, otherwise, you can ignore
the fact that it's not able to configure the network and get to
the point when you can start a shell from the installer environment.
2944 [22:11:22] <jelly> tlund, and you probably got that debhelper
in jessie-backports already
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2946 [22:11:29] <tlund> jelly: is it safe to just pull the newer
debhelper from backports?
2947 [22:11:34] <mender27> hello123d, you can do the rest of the
troubleshooting from there :).
2948 [22:11:39] <tlund> yes, backports has version 10 (that I
need)
2949 [22:11:40] <hello123d> i'm not good with fixing network
problems from a shell
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2951 [22:12:14] <mender27> hello123d, then at least have a look at
dmesg in one of the other ttys. It will mention many things apart
from missing firmware.
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2955 [22:13:52] <hello123d> ok
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2959 [22:16:38] <jelly> tlund, probably safer than backporting it
yourself
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2964 [22:17:37] <tlund> jelly: yeah. :)
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2966 [22:17:59] <tlund> jelly: right now, I am trying to follow a
really long chain of depends on different android packages and build
and install them. :)
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2972 [22:18:26] <jelly> good luck with your recursive backporting
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2974 [22:19:01] <tlund> jelly: was that sarcastic? ;)
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2979 [22:19:38] <tlund> i mean, if there is a large chance this is
not going to work, I should probably not waste time on it :)
2980 [22:19:40] <jelly> no
2981 [22:19:53] <tlund> if it just means a lot of work, I am game!
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2991 [22:22:31] <tlund> ..wtf?! "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet
build dependencies: bash-completion" ...? why the hell do I
need bash-completion to build
"android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1"? hahaha
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2994 [22:26:23] <tlund> hmm.. there seems to be circular
dependencies between packages here, that should not be possible,
right? I have to be doing something wrong?
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2997 [22:28:36] <tlund> apt-get source android-libext4-utils-dev ;
cd android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1 ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc
-us # says it requires android-platform-system-core-headers, but
that is build from the same source package?!
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3000 [22:29:07] <tlund> how can a package have build dependencies
on itself?
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3005 [22:31:40] <TomTomTosch> android-libext4-utils-dev is part of
the source package android-libext4-utils-dev,
android-platform-system-core-headers is part of the source package
android-platform-system-core. so no circular dependency, you just
need to nuild the latter first.
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3010 [22:32:10] <TomTomTosch> eh, correction,
android-libext4-utils-dev is part of the source package
android-platform-system-extras
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3012 [22:32:45] <tlund> TomTomTosch: confused. What package should
I build first?
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3014 [22:34:05] <TomTomTosch> you build the
android-platform-system-core source package to get the
android-platform-system-core-headers binary package, which you need
as a dependency for android-libext4-utils-dev
3015 [22:35:14] <tlund> When I try to build
android-platform-system-core it says it neds
android-libext4-utils-dev (that comes from
android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1)
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3018 [22:35:57] <tlund> And when I try to buld that, it says it
needs android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1, it needs
android-platform-system-core-headers
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3020 [22:36:11] <tlund> that sounds circular to me?
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3024 [22:36:43] <tlund> perhaps I can build just one package from
the "android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1" dir? (the
headers one) somehow?
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3028 [22:37:22] <dixsonhoepp> Hello friends, I am presented with a
problem and I can not find a solution. I want to keep the screen
color calibrated. I have calibrated it with these two applications:
Xcaliber, Nvidia x server settings.But every time I run for example
a game in full screen, the screen color returns to defaut. I have to
re-calibrate the color.How do I make the calibration I give the
monitor default
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3030 [22:37:30] <tlund> because just running
"dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" gives me circular depencencies
between android-platform-system-core-7.0.0+r1/ and
android-platform-system-extras-7.0.0+r1/
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3036 [22:42:22] <TomTomTosch> yeah, looks like it. that's
bad.
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3043 [22:43:02] <tlund> *phew*
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3045 [22:43:13] <tlund> Not just me being crazy then! hehe. :)
3046 [22:43:39] <tlund> I could probably just extract the
"adb" and "fastboot" binaries from the sid
package and be done with it. :)
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3049 [22:44:54] <hello123d> I'm unable to connect to the
internet on live cd. It says "Your network is probably not
using the DHCP protocol." If I run "sudo dhcp" in a
terminal, it writes the following to syslog: "No broadcasting
interfaces found. Exiting""
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3129 [22:57:32] <L00P3X> hello.. how kann i install all possible
guis at once? like as i could do at the firs install?
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3135 [22:59:40] <missmbob> L00P3X: sudo tasksel
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##replaced-url
3141 [23:01:21] <L00P3X> thank you missmbob.. this will give me
all guis like: gnome, kde, xfce.. ?
3142 [23:01:55] <missmbob> i dont remember what all it lists.
should be what you saw during the install
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3164 [23:07:46] <L00P3X> missmbob seem that tasksel do not deliver
what i need..
replaced-url
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3167 [23:10:24] <L00P3X> but thank you i will install it once for
once.. ^^
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3172 [23:13:13] <hello123d> I'm unable to make a connection
on a debian live cd. It says "Your network is probably not
using the DHCP protocol." If I run "sudo dhcp" in a
terminal, it writes the following to syslog: "No broadcasting
interfaces found. Exiting" What's likely to be the
problem?
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3196 [23:32:53] <mender27> Goodnight everyone! o/
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3204 [23:34:11] <Gioans-IT-Centos> hello
3205 [23:34:20] <Gioans-IT-Centos> i am a new centos
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3207 [23:35:06] <Gioans-IT-Centos> i cannot regeste my count to
join chatIRC
3208 [23:35:26] <xingu> is it just me or did
archive.debian.net's certificate expire?
3209 [23:36:02] <missmbob> xingu: it's expired
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3211 [23:36:11] <xingu> neato
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3241 [23:52:28] <hello123d> since i was unable to get dhcp to work
with debian jessie, can i find (live) iso's of debian stretch
somewhere?
3242 [23:52:46] <missmbob> no
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