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27[00:09:14] <genr8_> I cant find anything about that Dell/ALSA/realtek problem
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29[00:09:52] <genr8_> the modules looks like it loaded correctly to me.
30[00:10:16] <jelly> heretogo, do you see the physical card in "Output devices" tab of pavucontrol GUI?
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35[00:13:08] <crusoe> hi guys,I use Debian 10 Buster. I want to instal hplip 3.20 but my system says that "is installed already hplip 2.18 and this is the latest version". what should I do?
36[00:13:24] <jelly> ,v hplip
37[00:13:25] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; bullseye: 3.20.5+dfsg0-3; sid: 3.20.5+dfsg0-3; experimental: 3.20.6+dfsg0-2
38[00:13:34] <crusoe> I mean 3.18
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40[00:13:53] <crusoe> not 2.18 I mean 3.18 says
41[00:14:10] <jelly> you can't install it from Debian. You might try making a local build of that 3.20.5 version.
42[00:14:24] <jelly> judd, checkbackport hplip
43[00:14:25] <judd> Backporting package hplip in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
44[00:14:35] <jelly> judd, v debhelper
45[00:14:36] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 13.2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.2; sid: 13.2
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47[00:15:05] <jelly> here's a basic recipe for a build like that:
48[00:15:09] <jelly> !simple sid backport
49[00:15:09] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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52[00:15:52] <jelly> crusoe, you might have to install debhelper from buster-backports around step 3)
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54[00:16:32] <crusoe> thanks
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104[01:09:41] <heretogo> jelly: no, I don't see it in pavucontrol
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109[01:12:31] <jmcnaught> heretogo: Do you have timidity installed and running as a daemon?
110[01:12:35] <jmcnaught> !timidity pulseaudio
111[01:12:36] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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115[01:13:01] <heretogo> interesting
116[01:13:12] <heretogo> i see it running in ps
117[01:13:29] <heretogo> let me try
118[01:13:58] <heretogo> hah
119[01:13:58] <heretogo> wow
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121[01:14:36] <dvs> next?
122[01:15:10] <heretogo> jmcnaught with timidity stopped I can see my soundcard in pulse
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125[01:15:42] <heretogo> i'm not actually using timidity in the moment. is there a way to fix the issue without completely disabling it?
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128[01:17:10] <jmcnaught> You might not need to run timidity as a daemon as all.
129[01:17:51] <jmcnaught> You can stop it now and from starting at boot with "systemctl --now disable timidity", and start it later manually with "systemctl start timidity" if it turns out you need the daemon later.
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134[01:20:57] <heretogo> what's the difference between "systemctl --now disable timidity" and "systemctl disable timidity" ?
135[01:21:07] <cluonbeam> heretogo: --now also stops it as well as disabling it.
136[01:21:26] <cluonbeam> Disable without --now means the service won't start in the future, BUT it's left running.
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139[01:23:42] <heretogo> Ah, thanks
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152[01:35:16] <str1ve> is it alright to request assistance for a distro thats based on debian?
153[01:35:33] <dvs> not here
154[01:35:34] <sney> nope
155[01:36:05] <str1ve> alright - thanks
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157[01:37:45] <sney> thank you for asking.
158[01:37:58] <str1ve> :)
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160[01:40:43] <heretogo> Hmm... weird. I had it working for a minute. Then I was playing around with Supercollider and Jack and now I only see the Digital SPDIF output of my motherboard soundcard.
161[01:40:47] <heretogo> sox no longer works
162[01:41:18] <somiaj> str1ve: ##linux
163[01:41:38] <str1ve> somiaj, thanks for that.
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168[01:47:24] <heretogo> Hrmmm
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172[01:55:58] <heretogo> Anyone know why pulse might only show SPDIF output and not analog line out?
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175[01:59:42] <dvs> heretogo, TAB?
176[02:00:01] <heretogo> TAB?
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182[02:00:48] <dvs> heretogo, try F6
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185[02:01:39] <dvs> Oh, that's alsamixer. I'm guessing that it's showing the audio for your video card.
186[02:01:55] <nickgaw> Hi, If I am trying to report a package libmozjs185-dev non-existant in buster but it does exist in stretch how do I do that with reportbug as it won't let me do this as the package is not installed?
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189[02:03:09] <heretogo> dvs yeah it's really pulse that has the problem
190[02:03:28] <nickgaw> or is there no way to report a package that does not exist in reportbug?
191[02:04:07] <somiaj> nickgaw: that won't be a bug
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194[02:04:25] <nickgaw> I did not think so but how do I report it?
195[02:04:30] <somiaj> nickgaw: if a package is no longer available in buster, but was in stretch, it was removed due to some reason (often a rc-bug)
196[02:04:50] <somiaj> nickgaw: please don't report removal of package bugs, espically in stable, it won't do much.
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198[02:05:12] <nickgaw> Is buster stable now or still in testing?
199[02:05:25] <cluonbeam> buster has been stable for... how long, now?
200[02:05:30] <cluonbeam> It's 10.5 now, so a while.
201[02:05:43] <somiaj> buster has been stable for more than a year now
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203[02:05:52] <somiaj> nickgaw: replaced-url
204[02:06:07] <somiaj> nickgaw: and replaced-url
205[02:06:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
206[02:06:15] <nickgaw> So what is the process for telling the developers about a missing package then or at least letting testing know about it?
207[02:06:18] <dvs> nickgaw, replaced-url
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210[02:06:35] <somiaj> nickgaw: it isn't missing, it ws removed due to it is unmatained, buggy, and has security holes.
211[02:06:52] <nickgaw> 52 and 62 exist but not 185
212[02:07:14] <cluonbeam> nickgaw: It's gone. Welcome to the new world.
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215[02:08:36] <nickgaw> It is not like I need it it is required to build a program I wish to use but then again perhaps I should contact the developer about this issue.
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220[02:13:13] <heretogo> I think Cadence screwed up my pulseaudio profile
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224[02:13:51] <heretogo> I also realized the pavucontrol is a different application than the one in the dock/volume knob
225[02:13:55] <heretogo> i was able to get it to work
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228[02:15:18] <str1ve> hm, maybe it was a desktop environment specific applet
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230[02:16:10] <flayer> maybe your face was a desktop environment specific applet
231[02:16:30] <flayer> ...sorry, that was a reflex
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416[06:26:53] <SerajewelKS> i accidentally bind-mounted some stuff over itself (ran a script that sets up a chroot, but the directory of the chroot was in a variable that was empty) so i have /dev bind-mounted over itself. i'm now unable to umount the bind mounts (they are expectedly in use)
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418[06:27:03] <SerajewelKS> is there a way out of this situation without rebooting?
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421[06:27:54] <SerajewelKS> or do i just not worry about them?
422[06:28:54] <SerajewelKS> "mount | sort | uniq -d" lists only /dev and /dev/pts
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450[06:50:11] <somiaj> SerajewelKS: looks like there is a lazy unmount, so umount -l /path, "Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the file hierarchy now, and clean up all references to this filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore"
451[06:50:47] <somiaj> though you may still want to reboot soon, but maybe that will let you schedule the reboot better.
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454[06:52:38] <somiaj> though unsure if there would be any issue do to mounting /dev over itself.
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462[07:09:57] <tecdroid> hi there. did someone have random colored pixels recently? mostly visible on dark backgrounds.. like my consoles.. i'm having bullseye on a laptop with ryzen 7.
463[07:10:22] <sney> !debian-next
464[07:10:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
465[07:10:53] <tecdroid> whoopsi! i forgot ;) sorry
466[07:11:02] <sney> but broadly, visual artifacts are usually either a hardware problem or a driver issue, so when you get there, be specific and don't ask if "someone" had the problem
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468[07:11:21] <tecdroid> i try
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500[08:16:49] <brettgilio> Hey all I am using buster on a server, and for some reason cgit just isn't behaving properly. It will list my repos but will 404 on click. Any help? replaced-url
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504[08:18:12] <Unit193> Do you have the needed re-write rules?
505[08:18:52] <brettgilio> Let me check, probably not tho
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507[08:19:49] <Unit193> I have cgit, works like a charm (though I *do* have 1.2.3+git2.25.1)
508[08:20:26] <brettgilio> Unit193: mind if I send you a paste of my Apache config?
509[08:20:52] <Unit193> brettgilio: You can use a pastebin, but I don't use apache so I might not be the best to assist with that.
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511[08:21:07] <brettgilio> Seems the only rewrite rules I have are for https redirecte
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514[08:24:05] <brettgilio> I guess now the question is what exactly should the rule be rewriting. Lol
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519[08:29:45] <Unit193> brettgilio: Don't you just symlink /etc/apache2/conf-available/cgit.conf to enabled conf?
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521[08:30:22] <brettgilio> Unit193: that alone doesn't set up the subdomain
522[08:30:50] <Unit193> See also: replaced-url
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539[09:00:40] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Is there a license-related reason for ABCL not to be in Debian repos, or is it simply that no one has added it?
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545[09:03:28] <Aurora_v_kosmose> There's a (long-dead) ITP about it, but that seems to be all.
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547[09:08:02] <somiaj> most likely the later, maybe the person ran out of time (or if they weren't a DD didn't find a sponsor). One would hope they would have put any license issues in that bug report if that was what stopped them.
548[09:09:07] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Yeah, I just looked it up, it's GPL'd with classpath exception. So it seems fine.
549[09:09:17] <somiaj> I do some license talk in the old bug report
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551[09:10:33] <somiaj> so "Unfortunately the loops
552[09:10:33] <somiaj> implementation looks like it might be a mixture of GPL incompatible and
553[09:10:48] <somiaj> GPL licensed parts" has been worked out? Anyways, I think it is more likely due to time
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555[09:12:35] <Aurora_v_kosmose> loop.lisp seems to be prefaced with MIT blobs.
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557[09:13:54] <somiaj> the DD (assuming due to @debian.org email address) seems to suggest that should be cleaned up or addressed to make it compadable with the GPL
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559[09:14:34] <somiaj> at least that is what seems to have stoped him from sharing the development package. The original author may have had trouble finding a sponsor.
560[09:14:38] <Aurora_v_kosmose> replaced-url
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562[09:14:43] <Aurora_v_kosmose> *GNU
563[09:17:26] <somiaj> Seems that way. Are you intersted in packaging it?
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565[09:18:25] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I'm thinking about it. Packaging requires sufficient dedication to do some upkeep.
566[09:18:44] <somiaj> It really depends on the package, some packages don't need that much upkeep
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569[09:19:17] <somiaj> Provided you make a decent package to start with, and are there to adress rc-bugs, it should be fine.
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571[09:20:15] <somiaj> I can point you at mentors and guides on how to go about this if you are not familar.
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574[09:21:47] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Is it fine to package something I haven't personally maintained? That is, I am not actually familiar with its codebase.
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585[09:24:10] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: It can be (I matain a single package and I'm not much of a coder). Being able to work with upstream is important. A bit part is mostly ensure the package fits debian policy and fiddling with the build process, and then forwaring bugs upstream if they are due to the codebase.
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587[09:24:36] <somiaj> Though a lot depend son the scope of the package, how supportive upstream is, and so on.
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590[09:25:32] <PETURBG> help
591[09:25:39] <PETURBG> mysql fail to start
592[09:25:51] <Aurora_v_kosmose> somiaj: I see. I'll probably be poking them over the next few days then.
593[09:26:00] <somiaj> If you are courious, maybe #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net could help give you better answers of what would be required, and you can go to mentors.debian.net for a detailed guide on how to create a package then find a sponsor.
594[09:26:22] <PETURBG> other day comment it has legacy path /var/run/mysql.pid and change it... it was working but after yestarday when again restart now mysql fai to start
595[09:26:58] <somiaj> but for my package, basically I deal with debian side issues (though fvwm is in a good spot, so these don't crop up that often), and then forward the bugs to upstream.
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597[09:27:45] <PETURBG> there is other systemd[1]: /lib/systemd/system/rpc-statd.service:13: PIDFile= references path below legacy directory /var/run/, updating /var/run/rpc.statd.pid → /run/rpc.statd.pid; please update the unit file accordingly.
598[09:27:55] <PETURBG> why it comment change path and after that it fail to start
599[09:28:11] <PETURBG> every update debian is worse.
600[09:28:38] <PETURBG> it was for mysql too comment change path and now mysqlfail to start
601[09:28:42] <somiaj> PETURBG: are you using systemd? Have you looked at systemctl status mysql or journalctl -u mysql.service (though debian uses mariadb now days).
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604[09:29:34] <gateway2000> somiaj u maintain fvwm? that's awesome
605[09:29:35] <PETURBG> somiaj i dont know how to debug... help me
606[09:29:39] <PETURBG> journalctl -u mysql.service
607[09:29:39] <PETURBG> -- Logs begin at Tue 2020-09-01 09:23:07 CEST, end at Tue 2020-09-01 09:29:07 CEST. --
608[09:29:40] <PETURBG> -- No entries --
609[09:30:07] <PETURBG> hoild on on mariadb it has
610[09:30:22] <somiaj> that path change seems to be just a warning and not the actual issue (it is just saying that it should use /run vs /var/run, but it updated it just fine)
611[09:31:08] <somiaj> gateway2000: You could say that, for the most part fvwm2 has been frozen for years and hasn't been updated (though I should do a little matiance on it before bullseye freezes)
612[09:31:17] <PETURBG> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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615[09:31:45] <PETURBG> somiaj it comment to update it for good. but when i update for mysqld it FAIL TO START. so this mean warning IS BAD
616[09:31:47] <Aurora_v_kosmose> somiaj: I see. I'll give it some thought over the next few days.
617[09:31:54] <Aurora_v_kosmose> somiaj: Thanks.
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619[09:32:09] <gateway2000> i have a lot of respect for fvwm, played with it here and there in openbsd, maybe one day will take the deep dive into getting it comfy
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621[09:33:12] <ratrace> PETURBG: that warning about PId is irrelevant. /var/run is a symlink to /run anyway. As the service can't start with status 6, you should look up mysql/mariadb logs themselves, as systemd doesn't know, it can't even get the service to start
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626[09:36:28] <somiaj> gateway2000: maybe soon debian will have fvwm1, fvwm2, and fvwm3, fvwm has been active again, and there is no a 1.0-rc1 release for fvwm3.
627[09:36:29] <PETURBG> ratrace help solve it. where look.
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629[09:36:49] <PETURBG> yestarday i seek in /var/log/mysql and there is no log. now in var/log/mysq tehre is log
630[09:36:55] <PETURBG> Uploaded file: replaced-url
631[09:36:57] <ratrace> PETURBG: well, where did you configure mariadb logs to go? check the configs, I don't know mariadb by heart
632[09:37:03] <gateway2000> we will see!
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634[09:37:27] <ratrace> PETURBG: "[ERROR] InnoDB: Your database may be corrupt or....."
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637[09:37:45] <PETURBG> i see that now but how to solve it
638[09:37:59] <ratrace> PETURBG: restore from backups
639[09:38:04] <PETURBG> ?
640[09:38:09] <ratrace> your table files are corrupt.
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642[09:38:15] <ratrace> surely you have backups...
643[09:38:23] <PETURBG> and can't be repaired ?
644[09:38:34] <somiaj> gateway2000: to give a testimate to the code, you can still build and run fvwm-0.91 on a modern xorg (code is from 1993ish)
645[09:38:36] <Haohmaru> surely you know data storage can get corrupted
646[09:38:45] <Haohmaru> data transfer also
647[09:38:46] <gateway2000> I know I use one program from Thomas Adam (I think that's their name, one of people involved in fvwm) - xteddy! gotta have it.
648[09:38:48] <jelly> PETURBG, "last time" you were asking about one issue in both #ubuntu and #debian. Which OS and release are you REALLY running?
649[09:38:52] <ratrace> PETURBG: maybe they can but that's outside of the scope of #debian. Ask in #mysql and #mariadb for more expert advice
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651[09:39:14] <ratrace> jelly: mint! haha :)
652[09:39:19] <PETURBG> ./join #mariadb
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654[09:41:13] <jelly> 10.3.23-MariaDB-0+deb10u1 does look like Debian 10 this time
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656[09:41:27] <PETURBG> jelly you are drunk
657[09:41:35] <Haohmaru> aww
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660[09:42:21] * jelly shrugs
661[09:42:35] <Haohmaru> cheerz ;P~
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663[09:43:22] * gateway2000 hands out hors d'oeuvres
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666[09:44:07] * ratrace eats some
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668[09:44:53] <ratrace> jelly: The Curious Case of one Kreyren taught me that package versions can't be trusted to show the distro running :)
669[09:45:30] <Haohmaru> i have an idea
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671[09:46:08] <Haohmaru> use crypto/hash stuff and stuff the distribution info into many things
672[09:46:35] <ratrace> Haohmaru: well there is such a thing and it's part of the so called Reproducible Builds
673[09:47:03] <Haohmaru> then, you could ask the unsuspicious guy "are you running debian actually?" "uh yeeeaaah-ish" "show me the output of <sumfin innocent-looking>"
674[09:47:17] <ratrace> won't help if one takes debian base, cuts out apt and installs portage, then guts _that_ out and puts parts of exherbo in it :)
675[09:47:40] <Haohmaru> okay, another solution then:
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677[09:48:00] <Haohmaru> ship a debian police officer with every debian iso
678[09:48:08] <Haohmaru> hm
679[09:48:29] <PETURBG> jelly i can be where i can and ask what i WANT BUT YOU women SON OF BITCH can't SO PISS OF AND LIVE ME ALONE.
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681[09:48:41] <ratrace> LOL... permaban pls.
682[09:49:04] <Haohmaru> aww, i hope the BG part of his nickname doesn't mean .bg
683[09:50:45] <Haohmaru> this guy was banned before
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685[09:52:18] <ratrace> apparently not _perma_ bun
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687[09:52:24] <jelly> I don't permaban someone just because they're emotional and having issues
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689[09:52:57] <Haohmaru> bans and ignores doesn't fix things usually..
690[09:52:57] <ratrace> I would.
691[09:53:11] <Haohmaru> especially ignores
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693[09:58:45] <jelly> 200901 9:24:20 [ERROR] mysqld got signal 6 ; # something is horribly wrong there, probably best they moved to #maria
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695[09:59:37] <ratrace> jelly: according to mariadb logs themselves, table files are corrupt
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778[11:18:18] <algun> umm
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791[11:21:20] <Morg0th> Hi, I have a laptop with an Intel HD Graphics and a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti. Should I install the official nvidia drivers (propriatary) or the ones from the debian packages?
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794[11:22:33] <jelly> Morg0th, maybe install nvidia drivers FROM debian's packaging of those, see if those work
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796[11:22:49] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
797[11:22:50] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
798[11:22:58] <jelly> !non-free sources
799[11:22:58] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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802[11:24:30] <jelly> Morg0th, you can also install and run just "nvidia-detect" after enabling non-free sources, but before installing any drivers. This tool ought to tell you which drivers are supposed to work with your card
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808[11:30:12] <Morg0th> alright, nvidia-detect tells me that i should use the nvidia-driver package so I'll try that one. i think i installed the official ones a while ago but i'm having issues with dualscreen, will try to uninstall those first then. thanks!
809[11:30:14] <algun> Hi, sorry about that flood, I had 3 hexchat processes for some reason
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812[11:32:29] <jmcnaught> Morg0th: if you have hybrid graphics then you may also want to see this page: replaced-url
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814[11:33:06] <algun> Anyway, I tried running debian-live-10.5.0-amd64-gnome from USB (an SD card plugged into an USB reader) on a Thinkbook. It booted up but wouldn't start GNOME. The screen just showed a blinking cursor. Why could that be? Btw I could switch to a textual terminal, but there was nothing to autocomplete my gdm<tab>
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816[11:35:41] <ratrace> algun: gpu drivers and/or firmware?
817[11:35:43] <algun> On the other hand, graphical instalation could run fine
818[11:36:03] <algun> ratrace, for a live system? I'd expect it to use generic ones.
819[11:36:22] <algun> (also see above)
820[11:36:24] <ratrace> algun: no. gnome requires full opengl acceleratd hw experience
821[11:37:05] <ratrace> there really are no "generic" gpu drivers. either it's nouveau, nvidia, amdpgu, intel or vesa/vga, but I don't think gnome works with vesa
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824[11:39:34] <algun> Well vesa ones.
825[11:39:46] <algun> But I guess you have a point about 3D acceleration.
826[11:40:22] <algun> My GPU is Intel Iris Plus. Shouldn't Intel's integrated GPUs have free drivers?
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828[11:41:58] <algun> I mean surely debian-live-...-gnome was conceptualized booting into GNOME with free drivers, right?
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831[11:45:56] <CommunistWolf> yeah, it should work well enough
832[11:46:51] <jelly> !firmware live
833[11:46:51] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 10 "Buster" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
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835[11:47:14] <jelly> algun, even Intel GPUs need firmware these days
836[11:47:35] <algun> :(
837[11:47:39] <jelly> only 7+ years old generations might work without any
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839[11:48:36] <jelly> the drivers are free, but they need fw
840[11:49:09] <algun> My face remains theh same
841[11:49:22] * jelly nods
842[11:49:34] <algun> Anyway, replaced-url
843[11:50:30] <algun> Same with official weekly livie builds over at replaced-url
844[11:52:54] <algun> jelly, can I simply add non-free sources and install linux-firmware-nonfree in the live shell, will it persist?
845[11:53:50] <algun> Actually, I think my wifi doesn't work without them either
846[11:54:08] <algun> So I'd really need those ISOs
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848[11:55:56] <algun> Are these (stable) ISOs hybrid? replaced-url
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850[11:57:22] <algun> nvm, last slug implies so. I reached the page through Google, got thrown off by cdimage
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852[12:01:41] <jelly> yes, all debian isos are supposed to be hybrid and bootable either from usb-storage or burned to dvd or cd
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854[12:06:32] <algun> jelly, that leaves the question of why there are no isos in the weekkly builds dirs?
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875[12:26:16] <jelly> algun, those are for bullseye (current testing), I don't know what's the optimal way of trying testing right now
876[12:26:34] <jelly> there are no weeklies for stable
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878[12:26:44] <jelly> only point release
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934[13:33:01] <algun> I'm afraid "d-live nf 10.5.0 gn amd64" also failed to start gnome. Trying to manually startx failed as well. The logs seems to have mentioned a (missing) display and then a framebuffer error
935[13:33:56] <jelly> is that the firmware one?
936[13:34:28] <algun> unless I selected the wrong image, it should be (I think nf stands for non-free")
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938[13:35:15] <algun> (what I gave you was the name of the drive after "burning" an iso, hopefully the debian-live-10.5.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
939[13:36:18] <algun> sec
940[13:37:33] <algun> That's right. Rufus offers the name with the "nf " if I select the ...+nonfree.iso, otherwise it offers a label without the nf part
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1030[15:22:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys is it worth it to rebuild our ntp with the secure ntp?
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1035[15:25:51] <cluonbeam> Eryn_1983_FL: Do you have a particular concern with someone spoofing an incorrect date/time?
1036[15:25:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> no
1037[15:26:06] <cluonbeam> Then there you go.
1038[15:26:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> but im in the process of planning upgrading all the services
1039[15:26:28] <cluonbeam> See the previous question.
1040[15:26:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
1041[15:26:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok fine
1042[15:26:37] <cluonbeam> If it's not something you're concerned about, then why expend the effort?
1043[15:27:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i wouldn't say im not concerned, im wondering if it is EOL or out dated or what
1044[15:27:23] <jelly> algun, you may have too new hardware for drivers and fw in Debian 10
1045[15:27:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> also concerned about best practices
1046[15:27:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> would you implement ntp when are redoing everything?
1047[15:28:02] <jelly> rebuild?
1048[15:28:05] <jelly> ,i sntp
1049[15:28:08] <judd> Package sntp (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Network Time Protocol - sntp client. Version: 1:4.2.8p12+dfsg-4; Size: 162.7k; Installed: 281k; Homepage: replaced-url
1050[15:28:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> rebuild yeah,
1051[15:28:43] <jelly> oh, that's just a client
1052[15:28:50] <algun> jelly, might be a good guess. Imma try Ubuntu Live and see what it says
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1054[15:29:23] <jelly> ubuntu 20.04 will probably have a newer kernel and intel gpu drivers than debian 10, yeah
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1056[15:34:08] <nulleip> how can one see the samba compiled options of certain debian distro samba package?
1057[15:34:35] <nulleip> I mean, configure options
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1059[15:35:42] <rkos> hello i have a strange urxvt problem i cant solve
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1062[15:36:47] <rkos> i have urxvt installed on my laptop, it works fine with unicode, when i make a ssh session to my vps also running debian the unicode still works but when i open a tmux or an irssi on the vps then the unicode suddenly stops working, but this is for urxvt only and in the same sessions with different terminals the unicode works
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1065[15:42:02] <oxek> does 'apt changelog mupdf' work for anyone?
1066[15:42:37] <azeem> wfm
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1068[15:43:32] <oxek> hmm, must be a problem on my side then, thanks
1069[15:44:22] <oxek> this is the output I get replaced-url
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1072[15:46:37] <cluonbeam> Eryn_1983_FL: Best practices are guidelines, not rules. Consider your threat model. If you don't consider spoofed dates/times a threat, then... There you go.
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1079[15:51:32] <jelly> ,v mupdf
1080[15:51:33] <judd> Package: mupdf on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5-1+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.5-1+deb8u6; stretch: 1.9a+ds1-4+deb9u4; stretch-security: 1.9a+ds1-4+deb9u4; buster: 1.14.0+ds1-4; buster-security: 1.14.0+ds1-4+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.17.0+ds1-1; sid: 1.17.0+ds1-1
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1082[15:52:33] <jelly> oxek, that's a known issue, security.debian.org does not export changelogs the way normal repos do
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1085[15:52:59] <jelly> don't know the bug number
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1088[15:54:40] <jelly> oxek, reported in 2008 and a couple times afterwards! Eg. #729948
1089[15:54:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1091[15:55:04] <Janni> Hello. I have a little question concerning display managers and ~/.profile.
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1095[15:56:07] <Janni> On my personal Debian (stable) where I use nodm ~/.profile seems to be read when I "log in", whereas on another Debian (stable) with xfce4 it does not seem to be read at all.
1096[15:56:34] <Janni> Can you tell me, whether it should be read upon log in and who is responsible for doing that?
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1100[15:59:01] <Janni> Maybe that's the answer: replaced-url
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1102[16:00:58] <Janni> Or for Debian: replaced-url
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1107[16:06:15] <ratrace> Janni: note, it's .xsessionrc on debian
1108[16:07:37] <nickname123> "Hardware-accelerated video decode" isn't avalaible in chromium on a machine that is running bullseye. according to replaced-url
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1112[16:10:32] <jelly> nickname123, two things a) there's a separate channel for versions of software in testing and b) which gpu? See if i965-va-driver and vainfo packages are installed, run vainfo
1113[16:10:38] <jelly> !debian-next
1114[16:10:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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1117[16:14:22] <nickname123> i965-va-driver is installed, but vainfo doesn't do anything
1118[16:16:09] <nickname123> now i've installed it. it says "libva info: Trying to open /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/iHD_drv_video.so" etc.
1119[16:16:27] <NetTerminalGene> nickname123: are you usre chromium doesn't require to enable some experiment?
1120[16:16:43] <oxek> jelly: thanks for finding that
1121[16:19:00] <nickname123> NetTerminalGene: isn't this chrome://flags/#ignore-gpu-blacklist ? i disabled this.
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1124[16:20:02] <nickname123> i mean enabled it
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1131[16:26:44] <NetTerminalGene> nickname123: probably
1132[16:26:49] <NetTerminalGene> i don't use chrome
1133[16:27:11] <NetTerminalGene> i heard firefox is also enabled acceleration
1134[16:27:24] <NetTerminalGene> you can enable under about:config
1135[16:27:48] <Janni> ratrace: Thanks!
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1138[16:29:43] <nickname123> [16:27] <NetTerminalGene> i heard firefox is also enabled acceleration <-- according to the debian wiki it only works with wayland
1139[16:30:27] <NetTerminalGene> nickname123: latest version can work with X
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1214[17:34:39] <nickname123> <NetTerminalGene> nickname123: latest version can work with X <-- amazing. thx
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1217[17:35:26] <wrksx> omg masks mandatory in openspaces
1218[17:35:39] <wrksx> time to ask for more remote working
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1225[17:43:31] <nickname123> i got a written excemption from a doctor
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1228[17:43:57] <nickname123> no masks for me in shops
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1231[17:46:44] <nickname123> are you living in australia, wrksx?
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1237[17:50:35] <wrksx> nickname123: nope =) but I guess it's gonna be that way in many countries
1238[17:51:42] <wrksx> I whish everyone wears it. But me =) ain't that selfish
1239[17:52:12] <wrksx> whish/wish
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1248[18:03:49] <nickname123> the masks only give you more CO2 and are a so called Gessler hat
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1254[18:13:23] <cluonbeam> nickname123: Too bad there are no medical reasons for exemptions whatsoever. Medical exemptions are a bunch of bull leveraged by people that can't be bothered to care about anyone other than themselves.
1255[18:13:47] <cluonbeam> And the idea that a mask increases your CO2 levels is also bunk.
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1262[18:18:37] <n4dir> at least it looks cool.
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1267[18:23:38] <wwilliam> hello
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1271[18:23:56] <wwilliam> why would any command regular user execute would hang?
1272[18:24:04] <wwilliam> and root can execute?
1273[18:24:15] <greycat> strace it and find out
1274[18:24:19] <oerheks> wwilliam, 'any' ?
1275[18:24:34] <wwilliam> no strace installed greycat can not install either
1276[18:24:46] <greycat> because...?
1277[18:24:46] <wwilliam> any including built in commands.
1278[18:24:55] <greycat> wwilliam: name one builtin that hangs.
1279[18:24:58] <wwilliam> I dont know greycat not my call
1280[18:25:01] <wwilliam> pwd
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1283[18:25:21] <oerheks> i would do; step 1. create new user, 2. see if it occurs again
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1285[18:25:36] <greycat> let me guess, "I can't do that"
1286[18:25:53] <wwilliam> Correct
1287[18:25:58] <cluonbeam> How do you expect to troubleshoot a system that you don't even control?
1288[18:26:05] <greycat> *plonk*
1289[18:26:14] <wwilliam> many protocols and change control here
1290[18:26:34] <cluonbeam> Sounds like you need to consult local resources, then.
1291[18:26:37] <wwilliam> nothing, nothing can be done without a change that 100 people have to approve.
1292[18:26:47] <cluonbeam> Then how are you supposed to troubleshoot a problem?
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1294[18:27:01] <wwilliam> IRC :)
1295[18:27:18] <cluonbeam> If you can't install diagnostic utilities, you can't troubleshoot.
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1297[18:27:58] <cluonbeam> And, by the way, troubleshooting and diagnostic work on a faulty system aren't things that are limited by any sane change control process. Either you're misunderstanding how change control works, or you should find a new employer.
1298[18:28:08] <wwilliam> ok everything you guys said is valuable , what can i do with root? where can i look?
1299[18:28:26] <cluonbeam> How should we know? You won't install anything that can be used to diagnose the problem./
1300[18:28:43] <wwilliam> ha ha ha cluonbeam no, need changes for everything.
1301[18:28:51] <wwilliam> Ok Thank you.
1302[18:28:53] <wwilliam> all.
1303[18:29:04] <cluonbeam> wwilliam: Then either you're misunderstanding the change control process or your employer is a bucket of idiots.
1304[18:29:27] <cluonbeam> Because... Troubleshooting and diagnostics aren't "changes" as far as a change control process goes.
1305[18:29:33] <cluonbeam> Anyway, glhf.
1306[18:29:55] <greycat> you don't even need to "install" strace to use it as root to diagnose a problem. just copy it over from another machine of the same arch/version and drop it in /usr/local/sbin and then run it
1307[18:30:49] <wwilliam> OK, thanks will check.
1308[18:31:32] <Morg0th> Hey there, I just installed nvidia-driver on my laptop in the hope that my dualscreen will work, but weirdly enough I found that if I have a file like 10-nvidia.conf with 'Driver "nvidia"' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and that I start X with an external screen then I get only the external screen, and if I remove the xorg file then I get only my laptop screen. And only one is ever detected by xrandr. Any ideas
1309[18:31:38] <Morg0th> where I should look at to make this work?
1310[18:32:16] <oerheks> Morg0th, laptops have a FN key for internal/external/both screens
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1313[18:33:27] <nickname123> cluonbeam: the reall bull is that virus hype
1314[18:33:42] <oerheks> nickname123, please continue this conversation in -offtopic, thanks
1315[18:33:47] <cluonbeam> nickname123: Tell that to my friend who just lost both parents to said virus.
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1317[18:33:49] <Morg0th> oerheks: hmm ok, i tried that earlier but not since i reinstalled the drivers, brb
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1319[18:34:15] <cluonbeam> nickname123: Go spout your nonsense somewhere else, please. Not even in -offtopic.
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1325[18:38:01] <Morg0th> Well using the fn laptop key didn't do it. I should have said that when I have a xorg.conf file, X fails to start if I don't have an external screen (saying "No screens found"), but if I have one it starts on that other screen and my laptop screen stays in terminal mode with no WM. I can never have both screens at the same time, even in xrandr's listing
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1359[19:02:17] <psusi> does anyone know why ssh insists on looking for my RSA key in /root even thoguh I used sudo -s -E to preserve my bloody environment so HOME still points to *my* directory?
1360[19:03:00] <jhutchins> psusi: Have you verified that?
1361[19:03:04] <psusi> yep
1362[19:03:14] <psusi> echo $HOME shows my home directory
1363[19:03:27] <greycat> well, you either source dive, or you google search for someone else who has the same question
1364[19:04:35] <psusi> never had this problem on ubuntu... I wonder if debian has some weird patch?
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1366[19:07:25] <jhutchins> psusi: What happens if you do sudo -i ?
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1368[19:07:53] <psusi> -i means forget my environment and give me a real login shell as that person
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1371[19:08:43] <psusi> sudo -s means don't do that on ubuntu anyhow, but debian defaults to throwing it out anyhow unless you specify -E aparently
1372[19:09:02] <greycat> we know what sudo -i and sudo -s MEAN. you were asked to TRY it and see if it changes the behavior of ssh.
1373[19:09:30] <jhutchins> iirc ssh uses the key of the user you specify the connection for, so if you ssh root@foo.bar, it uses /root's key.
1374[19:09:31] <psusi> yet for some reason, even though HOME=/home/psusi, ssh still looks up root's home directory in /etc/passwd and looks for id_rsa there
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1376[19:09:41] <greycat> jhutchins: no, that is nonsense
1377[19:09:52] <psusi> greycat: the behavior I'm seeing is exactly what you should get if you use -i
1378[19:10:12] <jhutchins> greycat: You're right, it looks for /root's public key on the target.
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1381[19:10:45] <psusi> yea, I specified the correct remote user name
1382[19:10:50] <greycat> psusi: well, you can either start source diving, or you can start pounding on google. Figure out which one will get you the answer you want more quickly.
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1384[19:11:45] <greycat> you threw a wrench into the problem when you claimed that U and D behave differently, so now there are THREE different source trees to consider -- upstream, U and D
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1387[19:11:50] <psusi> and I can see with strace that it's lookupg up root's entry in /etc/passwd
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1391[19:15:44] <royiv> Hi; our CI system is seeing some failed fetches from deb.debian.org. We're working on vendoring these fetches, but in the meantime, is there some way to see the status/health of deb.debian.org?
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1394[19:16:44] <somiaj> royiv: you could try to use an actual mirror as opposed to the redirector.
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1396[19:17:02] <somiaj> also what is failing, and why? Did you make sure to update your sources before fetching?
1397[19:17:25] <nkuttler> royiv: you might also want to run a local cache/mirror
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1402[19:23:42] <royiv> somiaj: "Could not connect to deb.debian.org:80 (151.101.190.133), connection timed out" is the exact error we see; we run `apt-get update` immediately prior to `apt-get install`. (The package it is failing on is `dumb-init` and `e2fsprogs`, if that matters.)
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1409[19:35:59] <somiaj> hmm, that is strange, you could try a real mirror see if that helps, and nkuttler suggestion is good if you have multiple clients needing the info (so you only have to download it once to your local network)
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1411[19:37:30] <somiaj> deb.debian.org should be redircting you to a mirror based on a few factors replaced-url
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1413[19:39:58] <sney> deb.debian.org uses a cdn which sometimes runs afoul of isp caching and other tomfoolery
1414[19:40:20] <sney> it's *usually* fine but some people have better results with ftp.country.debian.org
1415[19:40:37] <sney> where country = us, ca, uk, etc
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1417[19:42:50] <royiv> In this case, this is our CI system (which runs in one of Azure's US datacenters), and we're using the Debian buster-slim dockerfile; reading deb.debian.org, it looks like the two choices are Fastly or Cloudfront? (I think we're hitting the Fastly ones presently, given the IP address we see.)
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1419[19:43:29] <royiv> (I just mean that, I hope we're not hitting ISP tomfoolery, here. This should be very expected traffic for Azure, I would think.)
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1489[19:45:00] <sney> could be azure tomfoolery in that case. I would be surprised if they *weren't* caching the cache, as it were
1490[19:45:14] <greycat> annnd there we go, "i use docker so i can't make it work" *plonk*
1491[19:46:06] <sney> that was very helpful thank you greycat
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1562[19:47:41] <somiaj> royiv: if it is an issue with the network, and a real mirror works, could you just change the mirror in the docker file you use?
1563[19:48:33] <somiaj> by real, I mean one that isn't a CND/redictor,
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1567[19:48:53] <royiv> greycat: I think we could update our Dockerfiles to overwrite the default source's file to point to, say, the CF mirror along the lines of what has been suggested. I thought I would ask here, to see if perhaps this is a problem that Debian might be aware of, or if not, that it might be worth bring to folk's attn. I also have to try to balance the pragmatism of making such a change if this is a transient
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1569[19:48:59] <royiv> outage. (We do try to vendor to isolate ourselves from Debian's uptime, and we should do a better job of that, and we've clearly missed a spot or two.)
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1610[20:55:14] <johnjay> hi where can I learn to make debian packages? is it in the handbook?
1611[20:56:14] <greycat> !nmg
1612[20:56:14] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1668[21:55:56] <blebz> !permissions
1669[21:55:56] <dpkg> For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», replaced-url
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