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• 86[01:09:59] <genr8__> I have a question about NGINX and the module system (RTMP module specifically) . This pastebin is from my own Debian 10 system replaced-url
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• 88[01:10:34] <genr8__> How can the nginx -V configure line not include any mention of the "rtmp" module but yet such a module was built, and I'm using it and it works.
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• 92[01:14:11] <SerajewelKS> what does 'which nginx' say?
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• 94[01:14:35] <genr8__> /usr/sbin/nginx
• 95[01:14:41] <SerajewelKS> as in -- is it possible that you're using the debian-provided nginx binary, with your self-built rtmp module?
• 96[01:14:43] <genr8__> its the debian factory version
• 97[01:14:46] <genr8__> nope
• 98[01:14:54] <genr8__> both came from apt-get
• 99[01:15:01] <SerajewelKS> that's literally what i just said
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• 101[01:15:22] <SerajewelKS> oh i see, you didn't build the rtmp module
• 102[01:15:26] <genr8__> no i did not.
• 103[01:15:31] <SerajewelKS> the same explanation is probably true
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• 105[01:15:43] <SerajewelKS> nginx / nginx-full was probably built from a different source package
• 106[01:16:10] <SerajewelKS> hmm nope, the source package is nginx
• 107[01:16:21] <genr8__> I thought all modules had to be passed to the configure line when nginx was built, in order to work
• 108[01:16:33] <SerajewelKS> my guess is that it's a detail of how the module gets built. you could look in the nginx source package to see how it builds the rtmp module.
• 109[01:16:36] <SerajewelKS> no, that's not true
• 110[01:16:42] <genr8__> :)
• 111[01:16:55] <SerajewelKS> if there's a .so file in the right place and it's ABI-compatible, nginx can load it
• 112[01:17:04] <SerajewelKS> "all modules had to be passed to the configure line when nginx was built, in order to work" is false
• 113[01:17:10] <genr8__> so it somehow got built manually?
• 114[01:17:32] <SerajewelKS> not manually, just possibly as a separate build step
• 115[01:18:02] <genr8__> hmmm ok. so the build system would have evidence of that you're saying
• 116[01:18:24] <genr8__> i have to admit idk how to look that up
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• 125[01:24:27] <SerajewelKS> genr8__: but regardless, nginx -V does not need to list a module for it to work
• 126[01:24:47] <SerajewelKS> you can build nginx modules from source and put them in the right place on a debian system and the debian nginx will pick them up and use them
• 127[01:25:01] <SerajewelKS> and nginx -V won't list them because debian's nginx wasn't built with them
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• 135[01:29:51] <genr8__> is the build file you're referring to? replaced-url
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• 139[01:30:37] <genr8__> judging from this, it looks like there is a "full_configure_flags" that is what I have, and then "extras_configure_flags" which built actually the module
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• 147[01:36:05] <genr8__> i think im satisfied with that. two build steps.
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• 234[03:02:25] <kenrestivo> i've googled a bit, and haven't found anything that'll unfuck this: replaced-url
• 235[03:02:33] <kenrestivo> any ideas?
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• 237[03:04:43] <gkwhc> Hey guys, I recently upgraded from debian 9 to debian 10 and the transparency in lxterm stopped working (using Awesome WM). How can i diagnose this issue?
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• 239[03:04:53] <squarecircle> ohai
• 240[03:05:10] <squarecircle> I get mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
• 241[03:05:14] <kenrestivo> the apt-secure page was completely unhelpful
• 242[03:05:18] <gkwhc> fake transparency
• 243[03:06:06] <squarecircle> trying to mount a share from a Debian 10 machine on a Debian 9 machine
• 244[03:06:38] <kenrestivo> aha! apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change
• 245[03:06:55] <kenrestivo> nope, that did not work :(
• 246[03:08:15] <kenrestivo> duh apt-get --allow-releaseinfo-change update
• 247[03:08:43] <squarecircle> I'm updating the machine to Debian 10 right now
• 248[03:09:11] <klys> The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 04EE7237B7D453EC NO_PUBKEY 648ACFD622F3D138
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• 250[03:09:21] <klys> I have done this before
• 251[03:09:31] <klys> something to do with gpg and apt-key
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• 253[03:10:00] <klys> does anyone knoe the relevant factoid?
• 254[03:10:38] <klys> I have installed debian-keyring and ca-certificates.
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• 256[03:11:48] <kenrestivo> i go old-skool: sudo gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key <PUBKEY>; sudo gpg -a --export <PUBKEY> | sudo apt-key add -
• 257[03:12:23] <kenrestivo> plug that 648ACFD622F3D138 in where <PUBKEY> is and you should be good
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• 259[03:13:56] <kenrestivo> sometimes you have to set the keyserver to a different one. last debian update, i had to keyserver.ubuntu.com
• 260[03:14:00] <klys> gpg: keyserver receive failed: Server indicated a failure
• 261[03:14:08] <klys> same with keyring.debian.org
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• 263[03:14:19] <kenrestivo> try the ubuntu one? debian one failed for me too
• 264[03:14:49] <klys> same
• 265[03:14:54] <kenrestivo> :(
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• 270[03:19:46] <klys> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
• 271[03:19:48] <klys> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /pks/lookup.
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• 273[03:20:07] <klys> that's from the web interface at pgpkeys.mit.edu
• 274[03:21:16] <squarecircle> ok, now I'm clueless: on both machines, both Debian 10, the NFS wont mount the share
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• 276[03:21:42] <klys> squarecircle: lsmod | grep nfs
• 277[03:21:50] <squarecircle> it tells me: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
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• 280[03:23:33] <squarecircle> replaced-url
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• 282[03:23:58] <squarecircle> klys: ^
• 283[03:24:17] <klys> squarecircle, looks good
• 284[03:24:39] <klys> squarecircle, try -o nfsvers=4
• 285[03:25:20] <squarecircle> klys: same result: mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
• 286[03:25:30] <klys> squarecircle, try -o nfsvers=3 now
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• 289[03:25:48] <squarecircle> klys: same error
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• 291[03:26:55] <klys> squarecircle, is nfs-kernel-server running?
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• 293[03:28:08] <squarecircle> klys: I guess I stupid
• 294[03:28:16] <squarecircle> exportfs: /etc/exports:2: unknown keyword "no_root_sqash"
• 295[03:28:28] <klys> haha you need squash
• 296[03:28:47] <squarecircle> ? I need english lessons ^^
• 297[03:30:18] <squarecircle> klys: thank you
• 298[03:30:24] <klys> yw.
• 299[03:30:44] <squarecircle> klys: I guess, I should drink more coffee or sleep more
• 300[03:31:34] <annadane> just don't drink coffee in bed
• 301[03:31:52] <klys> annadane, would you know the status of keyring.debian.org ?
• 302[03:31:58] <annadane> i would not
• 303[03:32:09] <annadane> is it down? maybe ask #debian-replaced-url
• 304[03:32:36] <annadane> if key stuff isn't working though i imagine it gets noticed very quickly
• 305[03:32:40] <klys> well it responds to replaced-url
• 306[03:33:13] <klys> unless opendns has interfered locally (which I doubt)
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• 315[03:37:26] <klys> could someone test this command: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 0x04EE7237B7D453EC
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• 317[03:39:01] <annadane> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
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• 320[03:39:26] <annadane> though i don't have dirmngr installed yet i don't think...
• 321[03:39:33] <annadane> oh no i do
• 322[03:39:33] <LtL> klys: try leavng off the 0x
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• 324[03:40:32] <LtL> *leaving off..
• 325[03:42:15] <annadane> when i do that, same message
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• 329[03:52:02] <LtL> when i search for that key at pgp.mit.edu i get proxy error, problem with upstream server
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• 331[03:55:06] <klys> have updated gnupg2 packages including dirmngr to the bleeding edge, still no go.
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• 335[04:01:58] <genr8__> `use keys.openpgp.org as the default keyserver`
• 336[04:02:53] <klys> nothing
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• 339[04:04:09] <genr8__> how did you get into this weird limbo ?
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• 341[04:05:15] <klys> my question is, how did we all.
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• 344[04:06:21] <LtL> klys: i imported a key the other night with no problem from there, although the key ID was much longer
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• 346[04:06:42] <klys> this was a machine set to update from deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
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• 348[04:07:33] <klys> it's a little older, libc6 version 2.28-10
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• 350[04:08:49] <klys> still running linux-2.16.13 as ipx.ko was removed thereafter.
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• 352[04:09:26] <klys> erm
• 353[04:09:43] <klys> still running linux-4.16.13 ...etc.
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• 360[04:13:13] <genr8__> can you bootstrap the latest debian-keyring package ?
• 361[04:13:23] <genr8__> or is it too broken to do that
• 362[04:13:28] <klys> it's installed
• 363[04:14:24] <nvz> dpkg, de usage =~ s#226M#226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see replaced-url
• 364[04:14:24] <dpkg> nvz: OK
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• 370[04:17:01] * nvz takes a bow for finally updating the info for Buster :P
• 371[04:17:11] <dvs> !pal nvz
• 372[04:17:12] * dpkg points at nvz and laughs hysterically
• 373[04:17:26] <nvz> !yinzersmite dpkg
• 374[04:17:27] * dpkg pahds dpkg fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.
• 375[04:17:31] <nvz> !yinzersmite dvs
• 376[04:17:32] * dpkg runsover dvs, wit an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanahr dahn da bulvard.
• 377[04:17:36] <dvs> heh
• 378[04:17:38] <nvz> heh
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• 383[04:20:17] <nvz> couldn't think of a better place to put that mixed bag of info other than in a factoid I'd already made
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• 386[04:21:19] <nvz> really I think we should have some sort of automated system build pages like that
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• 390[04:22:52] <nvz> often enough people wanna know the basic info of what they're gonna get.. even commercial software lists its system requirements and often shows screenshots of what it looks like.. and here we are shipping an OS with 7 complete desktop environments and no info on the box to help people decide :P
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• 393[04:25:48] <klys> lxde, xfce, gnome, kde, cinnamon, ?, ?
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• 398[04:27:46] <nvz> MATE, LXQT
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• 400[04:28:20] <nvz> they're all listed with the details on the page I'm hosting at replaced-url
• 401[04:28:48] <nvz> complete with hdd/ram usage, number of packages, complete package listing, screenshots
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• 403[04:29:57] <nvz> technically I listed 9 configurations I'd done.. showing the base and standard installs as well and may do other setups later but figured the stuff in tasksel during installer was most important for now
• 404[04:30:19] <nvz> base is selecting nothing in the tasksel step, standard is just selecting standard system utilities
• 405[04:31:02] <nvz> one of these days I may setup a system for automating it all and making wiki entries for it on each release
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• 407[04:31:47] <nvz> I figure with qemu one could automate it on all archs not just amd64
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• 449[05:29:19] <annadane> can i ask what !confmiss is referring to? if you apt purge a package and reinstall that package the configuation file stays deleted?
• 450[05:29:21] <annadane> !confmiss
• 451[05:29:21] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 452[05:30:58] <jmcnaught> You might not want to purge the package, maybe it would remove too many dependencies.
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• 454[05:33:02] <annadane> the one package i've removed so far on this system was apt remove, apt autoremove, aptitude purge ~c
• 455[05:33:20] <annadane> which i assume is relatively common practice
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• 466[05:41:56] * linux_user asks: I installed Debian 10 (stable) under VirtualBox and after leaving it for a while, it sets for that it will suspend due to inactivity. This will make it a LOUSY server, is there some way I can reconfigure that behavior to not occur?
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• 470[05:44:22] <jmcnaught> linux_user: did you install the default desktop environment (GNOME)? Go to settings, click on power, disable automatic suspend.
• 471[05:45:05] <linux_user> I did install the default GNOME, but I am preparing an ansible script to do all the configuration. Thus, I ask, can that be done from the command line somehow? If so, I can ansible-ize it
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• 474[05:46:59] <jmcnaught> linux_user: well you could try using dconf-editor to find the setting you need to alter, then using the dconf command to change it. I would also recommend not installing a desktop environment on a server.
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• 478[05:49:30] <linux_user> hmmm
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• 480[05:49:57] <linux_user> I am not sure that Debian has a server distro though does it?
• 481[05:51:14] <jmcnaught> It doesn't have a separate server edition, but you don't need to install a desktop environment when you use the debian installer. If you installed from a live disc then it might not have given you that option.
• 482[05:52:23] <genr8_> try the netinst version you can pick stuff
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• 485[05:53:34] <jmcnaught> linux_user: anyways you would probably end up using a command like this: "dconf write /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-ac-type nothing"
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• 487[05:55:36] <jmcnaught> linux_user: or actually maybe it's better to use gsettings than dconf: replaced-url
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• 497[06:06:33] <linux_user> ok
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• 499[06:07:08] <linux_user> one thing I noticed is that the iso I installed from did not have openssh-server package installed.
• 500[06:07:20] <linux_user> so perhaps I need to look at what media I am going to use also
• 501[06:07:32] <linux_user> that said, I do want to have a GUI on the server anyway
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• 511[06:13:12] <Gigglebyte> I am getting ready to upgrade from Stretch to Buster, and wondering if anyone wouldn't mind taking a look at my /etc/apt/sources.list ???
• 512[06:13:18] <Gigglebyte> replaced-url
• 513[06:16:12] <Gigglebyte> I ran sudo apt full-upgrade and nothing happened. I am currently running Debian Stretch Version 9.6 stable. Any idea what the problem is?
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• 516[06:17:51] <Gigglebyte> I am running the Debian Linux Kernel Version Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64 x86_64
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• 520[06:21:34] <Gigglebyte> Is anyone alive and BREATHING ???
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• 522[06:22:27] <Foxfir3> gmturner: Raspian is giving me a headache. did some morning reading. thanks for all the great info.
• 523[06:22:36] <Foxfir3> morning giggle
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• 554[06:59:22] <binaryhermit> installing debian 10.1 on an Acer spin 1 and it's been stuck on "running grub-install-dummy" for several minutes
• 555[06:59:32] <binaryhermit> how long should this take
• 556[07:00:06] <binaryhermit> visual evidence
• 557[07:00:10] <binaryhermit> replaced-url
• 558[07:01:02] <allorder> dunno, like 2-3 beers
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• 563[07:07:05] <genr8_> Gigglebyte: thats not a correct sources.list
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• 567[07:09:59] <genr8_> you dont have the "buster main" in there
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• 572[07:13:29] <genr8_> Gigglebyte: replaced-url
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• 578[07:25:06] <allorder> binaryhermit: did you drink 2-3 beers ?
• 579[07:26:08] <binaryhermit> I haven't had any alcohol since (US) Thanksgiving 2013, so no
• 580[07:26:58] <allorder> did you get further
• 581[07:27:27] <binaryhermit> I gave up, forcibly rebooted, got no bootable device or something like that, and am trying again
• 582[07:27:35] <binaryhermit> I'm not quite there yet
• 583[07:27:59] <allorder> don't stop
• 584[07:28:19] <binaryhermit> now I'm there
• 585[07:29:20] <binaryhermit> how long should this take (we're talking a laptop with an Intel n4200 for the record, so not *that* ancient and/or slow)
• 586[07:29:31] <binaryhermit> also not that cutting edge either
• 587[07:29:50] <allorder> shouldnt take that much..
• 588[07:30:37] <binaryhermit> if this doesn't work I need to consider other options probably, perhaps (ugh) Ubuntu
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• 590[07:30:52] <binaryhermit> and it just blackscreened
• 591[07:31:07] <binaryhermit> oh, screensaver, false aalarm
• 592[07:31:16] <allorder> did you checksum
• 593[07:31:30] <binaryhermit> no
• 594[07:31:38] <allorder> k
• 595[07:31:55] <binaryhermit> should have but I'm an idiot at times
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• 597[07:32:33] <allorder> maybe lazy but not idiot
• 598[07:32:44] <binaryhermit> if push comes to shove I can use my raspberry pi to deal with this
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• 600[07:32:56] <binaryhermit> like, re-dl and write USB again
• 601[07:33:22] <binaryhermit> it's not ideal, but it should work
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• 605[07:33:54] <binaryhermit> is there a built-in tester in the installer
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• 607[07:34:30] <allorder> tester for ?
• 608[07:34:40] <binaryhermit> i
• 609[07:34:43] <binaryhermit> err
• 610[07:34:53] <binaryhermit> integrity of the packages
• 611[07:35:08] <allorder> I don't think so
• 612[07:35:24] <binaryhermit> I know Ubuntu had that option back in the day, like, way back in the day
• 613[07:35:57] <binaryhermit> yes, I know debian isn't Ubuntu
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• 615[07:36:20] <allorder> debian suppose a bit you did your homework
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• 621[07:37:51] <binaryhermit> ok theb
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• 623[07:38:31] <binaryhermit> found the problem replaced-url
• 624[07:38:47] <binaryhermit> there is an integrity checker, and...
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• 626[07:39:05] <allorder> good
• 627[07:40:29] <binaryhermit> so I think we're done here, hopefully
• 628[07:41:21] <allorder> re download checksum
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• 630[07:42:00] <Unit193> binaryhermit: `debsums`?
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• 639[07:54:01] <Gigglebyte> I think someone paged me earlier, but got bumped from the network before I could respond.
• 640[07:54:09] <Gigglebyte> I don't know who paged me.
• 641[07:54:49] <Gigglebyte> Would someone mind taking a look at my /etc/apt/sources.list file to see if it is ok? replaced-url
• 642[07:55:54] <Gigglebyte> I attempted to upgrade to Buster, but it didn't go so well. I think the problem was that the kernel was too old, and couldn't handle the newer updates for Buster. I have since changed my /etc/apt/sources.list file, and put it back with Stretch, but I can't get libreoffice to reinstall. I get an error message that I am missing dependencies, and trying to do an impossible situation.
• 643[07:56:36] <annadane> Gigglebyte, uncomment the thing under "deb free" (just replace it in general actually) and replace with replaced-url
• 644[07:56:42] <annadane> !stretch sources.list
• 645[07:56:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 646[07:57:09] <annadane> and you don't need separate sections for "free" and non free, just list them at the end of the mirror url, main contrib non-free, depending what you need
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• 648[07:58:24] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 651[07:59:01] <annadane> okay, your latest paragraph is more problematic.
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• 653[07:59:21] <annadane> if you already attempted a dist-upgrade to buster and "went back to stretch"... your system is probably very screwed up
• 654[07:59:30] <annadane> someone more smart than i am will have to help you
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• 657[08:00:07] <annadane> besides debian not supporting downgrades, i have no idea what state your packages are in now anyway
• 658[08:00:23] <Foxfir3> Gigglebyte: you blew up the Linux channel :D accidental paste I guess. well.. Dax let you back in, so the ban has been lifted
• 659[08:00:26] <annadane> an easier solution may be to back up your files and just install buster fresh
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• 661[08:00:50] <Figure> nvz: thanks I'll try from there
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• 663[08:03:25] <Foxfir3> Gigglebyte: you could have installed Debian twice by now. like annedane writes, your system is screwed. just take our advice, backup, install, and get back to happy days.
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• 669[08:10:33] <Gigglebyte> annadane> I am getting an error in reading the /etc Here is my etc file replaced-url
• 670[08:13:12] <annadane> i don't know why, it should work. replaced-url
• 671[08:14:08] <Gigglebyte> annadane> At this point I think the best thing is to just stay with Stretch, and not attempt to do too much. The kernel wasn't updated so the Buster files won't run anyway.
• 672[08:14:28] <annadane> well, i don't really have answers. someone else handle this
• 673[08:14:45] <Gigglebyte> annadane> There is an unknown reason why the kernel won't update so I don't feel inclined to mess with it. I am on a non-standard laptop and don't think an upgrade is a good idea at this time.
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• 675[08:17:26] <Gigglebyte> I think I figured out the problem. The line is missing deb at the beginning of it. Some how it got deleted by mistake.
• 676[08:17:56] <annadane> oh. duh.
• 677[08:18:00] <annadane> sorry for being stupid
• 678[08:18:54] <Gigglebyte> that got rid of the error, but I now need to roll back the versions of the programs. Any one have a suggestion on the commands for doing this? I think this is going to be an easier scenario than doing a full upgrade.
• 679[08:19:18] <Gigglebyte> I am only rolling back the versions of the programs, and not the kernel.
• 680[08:19:22] <Gigglebyte> Kernel was never upgraded.
• 681[08:19:44] <annadane> !partial downgrade
• 682[08:19:44] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
• 683[08:21:15] <Gigglebyte> I found some info on the net for downgrading replaced-url
• 684[08:22:10] <Gigglebyte> I don't understand how to do step 13 which involves setting the pin. The command for this is a bit hazy.
• 685[08:22:14] <Gigglebyte> Set apt_preferences(5) to set the downgraded distribution with PIN 10001
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• 689[08:29:25] <Gigglebyte> ok. I got libreoffice back, but the display is a bit funky.
• 690[08:29:27] <EdePopede> Gigglebyte: from the manpage, "P >= 1000 causes a version to be installed even if this constitutes a downgrade of the package" (maybe there's an extra 0)
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• 692[08:30:58] <Gigglebyte> I ended up with a really old version of Libreoffice: 5.2
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• 694[08:31:28] <EdePopede> ,v libreoffice
• 695[08:31:29] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u12; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u10; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; stretch-security: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u11; buster: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3; stretch-backports: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4~bpo9+1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u4; bullseye: 1:6.3.0-2;
• 696[08:31:30] <judd> buster-backports: 1:6.3.1-1~bpo10+1; sid: 1:6.3.1-1
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• 701[08:31:53] <EdePopede> yep, stretch
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• 703[08:33:02] <Gigglebyte> I am going to sleep, and thanks for everyone's help. I am going to wait until I return to the bay area before upgrading the kernel, or at least try to get a better understanding of why the kernel won't upgrade.
• 704[08:33:58] <EdePopede> i have u10 here with u11 in the pipeline, but i really don't want to :> since buster is also waiting. have to find out how to pin it so i can upgrade the other packages.
• 705[08:34:32] <EdePopede> Gigglebyte: sleep well, relax and free your mind :)
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• 714[08:43:40] <annadane> in hindsight i should've linked the buster release notes
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• 726[08:54:12] <Kats99> will debian run on raspberri zero?
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• 729[08:56:18] <themill> replaced-url
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• 732[08:57:13] <themill> only with the armel architecture and some non-free firmware; armel as a Debian architecture won't last much longer
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• 734[08:58:52] <Kats99> ok
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• 749[09:13:56] <jadax> debian 10 didn't make it easy to install vbox
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• 751[09:14:06] <jadax> I'm half way there
• 752[09:14:13] <jadax> but missing some drivers (vboxdrv?)
• 753[09:14:24] <jadax> is there some official tutorial on how to install vbox on debian 10?
• 754[09:14:40] <jadax> I know about virt-manager but I want to use genymotion -> android emulator that's bundled up with vbox
• 755[09:14:44] <jadax> so I
• 756[09:14:49] <jadax> am stuck with vbox
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• 758[09:14:58] <jadax> and it's not installable on debian 10, sad
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• 765[09:19:04] <themill> You'd have to ask Oracle about that. I thought they were making packages for buster.
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• 767[09:21:27] <Unit193> There is a repo from Oracle you can use, and if you're lucky it'll end up in fasttrack.
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• 772[09:33:30] <count3rmeasure> anyone with pkg-config skills handy?
• 773[09:34:21] <count3rmeasure> getting some weird errors trying to compile gdb with the guile extension enabled and I'm hitting a wall where pkg-config can't find guile-2.0.pc despite setting the path to point directly at it
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• 807[09:59:47] <openface> how can i mount openbsd under debian
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• 819[10:12:21] <jadax> in order to successfully install vbox, I need to build some drivers
• 820[10:12:23] <Mathisen> what folder would you people use for upload_tmp_dir in the php.ini file ?
• 821[10:12:24] <jadax> and they have to be signed
• 822[10:12:34] <g0zzy> goose ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL is _still_ prompting me for a password. It's not by any chance because it appears before the group rule is it?
• 823[10:12:34] <jadax> there's mokutil - userspace app that helps with that
• 824[10:12:45] <jadax> but hen I need to reboot my system and have EFI confirm something
• 825[10:12:52] <jadax> I'm rebooting my system and nothing happens :/
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• 827[10:13:11] <jadax> so I cannot confirm my mok cert and I cannot sign self-built vbox drivers
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• 829[10:13:22] <jadax> what an adventure
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• 831[10:14:01] <jadax> I feel like I should have gone with ubunto
• 832[10:15:32] <diogenes_> jadax, try vnware player.
• 833[10:15:44] <jadax> but I'm using genymotion - android emulator
• 834[10:15:50] <jadax> and it's requiring underlying vbox
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• 854[10:33:39] <Farrakhan> My name is Louis Farrakhan
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• 857[10:34:38] <diogenes_> i thought Louis Rossman :)
• 858[10:35:24] <Farrakhan> no. Rossman is a white devil
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• 871[10:45:44] <snooky> moin
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• 873[10:45:57] <Xanthal> morning
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• 885[10:54:20] <Farrakhan> The so-called Jews are entirely responsible for slavery, sharecropping, Jim Crow laws, and all other forms of institutionalized racism and evil in general.
• 886[10:55:40] <berkley> oh semitism here LOL
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• 890[10:59:46] <EdePopede> more like anti- ;)
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• 892[11:01:11] <kirk781> When did this channel turn into politics?
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• 894[11:01:27] <annadane> when the troll got here who you should ignore
• 895[11:01:29] <berkley> i guess because some moral fags here are already browsing 4chan
• 896[11:01:50] <berkley> 4chan affected his mind browsing /pol/
• 897[11:01:55] <kirk781> Four chan is rather alright as long as one avoids /pol
• 898[11:02:01] <berkley> politically incorrect
• 899[11:02:17] <berkley> kirk781 do you browse /b/?
• 900[11:02:31] <berkley> i browse /g/
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• 903[11:03:02] <berkley> but sometimes tempted to go in /b/ , =)
• 904[11:03:31] <kirk781> I don't browse much. Just the occasional /mu or /his
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• 906[11:03:43] <kirk781> Is that the anime one?
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• 908[11:03:47] <annadane> i like to browse /sleep/ but unfortunately i tend to browse /insomnia/
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• 913[11:10:25] <berkley> kirk781 dont tell me ur browsing some hentaiz
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• 917[11:11:17] <kirk781> berkley, I am not a filthy weeb
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• 926[11:13:48] <berkley> haahah , just kiddin
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• 929[11:14:22] <rabbitear_g> replaced-url
• 930[11:14:23] <berkley> sometimes boards are full of anime dolls
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• 933[11:16:50] <berkley> is there a channel for security?
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• 935[11:19:07] <rabbitear_g> #security
• 936[11:19:17] <berkley> accepts invite only
• 937[11:19:17] <rabbitear_g> anime dolls too
• 938[11:19:20] <berkley> any alternatives
• 939[11:19:35] <rabbitear_g> how are you wearing?
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• 942[11:19:46] <berkley> oh shit
• 943[11:19:48] <berkley> hahahhaha
• 944[11:19:56] <rabbitear_g> I don't know
• 945[11:20:02] <rabbitear_g> there's all kinds
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• 949[11:20:04] <berkley> like michael chan maybe
• 950[11:20:10] <rabbitear_g> okay
• 951[11:20:16] <rabbitear_g> that's pretty deep
• 952[11:20:22] <rabbitear_g> ubuntu_cn
• 953[11:20:24] <rabbitear_g> no
• 954[11:20:33] <rabbitear_g> don't listen
• 955[11:20:45] <berkley> first time to see this guy fapping while singing `hey know , your a rockstar `
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• 957[11:21:05] <rabbitear_g> there is only to cn channels that I know of, and they both have cn
• 958[11:21:19] <annadane> you maaay want to mosey on over to #debian-offtopic
• 959[11:21:30] <rabbitear_g> well, welcome to earth berkley
• 960[11:22:05] <rabbitear_g> that too, I keep forgetting about #debian-offtopic
• 961[11:22:16] <rabbitear_g> its really boring actually
• 962[11:22:29] <rabbitear_g> but we can talk about clothes there berkley
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• 964[11:22:41] <berkley> fashion
• 965[11:23:02] <berkley> rabbitear_g im not one of those retarded fat ugly face
• 966[11:23:12] <berkley> wearing some mascot or so whatever
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• 969[11:23:26] <rabbitear_g> oh, good idea
• 970[11:23:34] <rabbitear_g> mee too
• 971[11:23:36] <berkley> rabbitear_g ur a soy gouy?
• 972[11:23:42] <rabbitear_g> no
• 973[11:23:45] <rabbitear_g> I'm old
• 974[11:23:52] <berkley> oh ur a boomer
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• 976[11:24:11] <rabbitear_g> I'm a hate your mouser
• 977[11:24:19] <rabbitear_g> like cat, hissss
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• 979[11:24:28] <berkley> ah shit,
• 980[11:24:31] <berkley> hahhaha
• 981[11:24:41] <rabbitear_g> actually nobody cares
• 982[11:24:50] <berkley> yea, nobody nobody but you
• 983[11:25:00] <rabbitear_g> just still doing shit
• 984[11:25:11] <rabbitear_g> which goes back and forth
• 985[11:25:12] <berkley> and the outcome is shit
• 986[11:25:17] <rabbitear_g> almost alot...
• 987[11:25:42] <rabbitear_g> well, I'm happy, with myself, but I have to deal with the mentally ill
• 988[11:25:44] <rabbitear_g> sometimes
• 989[11:25:54] <rabbitear_g> like my step cousin
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• 991[11:26:04] <berkley> why ur gey?
• 992[11:26:29] <rabbitear_g> she will kick your ass
• 993[11:26:38] <berkley> oh no
• 994[11:26:46] <berkley> i have to shave it first
• 995[11:26:52] <rabbitear_g> all them will ask you lots of questions
• 996[11:27:02] <rabbitear_g> and they are like retarded
• 997[11:27:20] <berkley> maybe
• 998[11:27:28] <rabbitear_g> lol
• 999[11:27:34] <rabbitear_g> you be there
• 1000[11:27:40] <rabbitear_g> when you feel like it
• 1001[11:27:41] <berkley> be there where?
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• 1003[11:27:54] <rabbitear_g> in front of my girls
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• 1005[11:28:16] <berkley> ur luckily doodly wiggle
• 1006[11:28:23] <rabbitear_g> okay okay, offtopic.
• 1007[11:28:34] <rabbitear_g> realize
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• 1011[11:29:15] <berkley> if you just realize, and we can just realize , we could be perfect for oneanother and will never find another
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• 1015[11:29:50] <berkley> i can't send in offtopic
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• 1018[11:30:59] <berkley> rabbitear_g ur some goouy with a keyboard with a PC gayming
• 1019[11:31:16] <berkley> i can't chat in offtopic so , im chatting here
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• 1022[11:39:01] <jelly> berkley: try now.
• 1023[11:40:38] <berkley> okay
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• 1046[12:08:26] <velix> I've installed kernel 5.2.0-0.bpo.2 from backports, but it still only lists "mq-deadline" as I/O scheduler. Anyone with an idea, why?
• 1047[12:09:30] <velix> gnar... I missed "modprobe bfq" ;)
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• 1063[12:17:48] <|_AkeR_|> :o(
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• 1072[12:25:33] <velix> hm?
• 1073[12:25:40] <|_AkeR_|> ?mh
• 1074[12:26:19] <|_AkeR_|> hello guys and girls i cant wonder why only my Acer Aspire ES 11 only allow deepin
• 1075[12:26:38] <|_AkeR_|> i tryed debian 10, and many others, just deepin works, sadly
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• 1077[12:26:55] <|_AkeR_|> also works with a post-install tip i found in google
• 1078[12:27:06] <|_AkeR_|> boot it after the tip
• 1079[12:28:10] <EdePopede> what tip?
• 1080[12:29:40] <nvz> Acer makes incredibly shitty comuters and I don't recommend buying them if you wanna just talk vague nonsense
• 1081[12:29:59] <nvz> their customer service is also terrible
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• 1083[12:30:04] <|_AkeR_|> after install and see no boot media, start the live cd and do this... .-> replaced-url
• 1084[12:30:30] <|_AkeR_|> but ubuntu live cd doesnt boot, but i used deepin the 1st time ;-)
• 1085[12:30:58] <|_AkeR_|> nvz: indeed acer sucks, i need to use my phone to listen music due overheating when i load spotify or firefox
• 1086[12:31:08] <|_AkeR_|> specially their netbooks
• 1087[12:31:27] <|_AkeR_|> i lost sound or its just dirty and cuted
• 1088[12:31:47] <|_AkeR_|> but the computer is ok... with deepin only in my side
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• 1090[12:32:02] <|_AkeR_|> yeah cost me 189€
• 1091[12:32:15] <|_AkeR_|> and its very very expensive for the crap i bought
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• 1093[12:32:31] <|_AkeR_|> so at least it have gigabit port
• 1094[12:32:34] <nvz> |_AkeR_|: my recommendation is as always with crappy hardware, put the OS it came with back on it, sell it to someone who wants such crap, get something beter
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• 1096[12:32:56] <|_AkeR_|> i found a italian girl interested on it, will do, thanks nvz
• 1097[12:33:06] <nvz> |_AkeR_|: the Lenovo X240 is probably available much cheaper, runs debian great, is aout the same size, and has better features
• 1098[12:33:33] <nvz> |_AkeR_|: I just sold my x240, using a slightly bigger t440 now
• 1099[12:33:36] <|_AkeR_|> thats 100€+ superior in price
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• 1102[12:34:02] <|_AkeR_|> it comes with Celeron N4000 i see its much better of N3350 and got 4gb instead of 2
• 1103[12:34:03] <nvz> idk about that.. I just sold mine for US$100 and they go for about US$150
• 1104[12:34:05] <|_AkeR_|> but cost 289
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• 1106[12:34:20] <nvz> |_AkeR_|: what country are you in?
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• 1109[12:35:18] <|_AkeR_|> this acer is OK only problem is the music but it comes with USB and i use the phone all day with youtube music :P but i have a program for youtube media called google music (unoffical) that i cant use, but btw im happy cos its very sofisticated and got 60000 options i dont use
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• 1113[12:35:52] <|_AkeR_|> sorry for broken english... i passed 6 months without chat and/or computer
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• 1115[12:36:22] <|_AkeR_|> im downloading a bot and after will connect it to home wifi
• 1116[12:36:38] <|_AkeR_|> (the phone) the pc got IPv6 tunnel
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• 1118[12:37:01] <|_AkeR_|> so the speed is so ridiculus 12 hours for3,2 Mbits, patience
• 1119[12:37:15] <nvz> 289 Eur is like US$340 which is way more than an X240 costs these days.. you could get plenty of extras like swapping out the buttonless clickpad, extended life battery, 40a2 dock, etc.. for $340
• 1120[12:37:27] <nvz> they cost more like half that price
• 1121[12:37:36] <|_AkeR_|> i will buy another some day soon, thanks
• 1122[12:37:38] <|_AkeR_|> yeah
• 1123[12:38:01] <|_AkeR_|> at least a i3 7th gen or superior with ssd
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• 1125[12:38:06] <nvz> I liked the X240 simply cause it fit better in my bag, but I didn't need two machines :P
• 1126[12:38:18] <|_AkeR_|> heh
• 1127[12:38:48] <|_AkeR_|> i only can install deepin at least it doesnt bugs me with ubuntu and manjaro :P
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• 1129[12:38:57] <|_AkeR_|> i dont want to deal with those
• 1130[12:39:06] <|_AkeR_|> but i do if the computer accept
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• 1132[12:39:38] <gidna> hello
• 1133[12:39:42] <nvz> idk, you can probably use anything if one works, anything will.. you just need to figure out what it does differently.. but I don't recommend playing around with junk hardwre.. better off selling it and getting something better
• 1134[12:39:44] <|_AkeR_|> but looking for the computer doesnt run so slowly goodday gidna
• 1135[12:39:51] <gidna> How can I find what package contains this ucs.sty ?
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• 1139[12:40:55] <nvz> the x240 is only slightly larger in size, has twice the ram, way better battery life.. its better supported hardware.. has the ability to run an m.2 SSD and a SATA SSD/HDD
• 1140[12:41:21] <nvz> supports up to 8-12GB ram depending on if it has the onoard 4GB or not
• 1141[12:41:37] <nvz> has two batteries, one removable
• 1142[12:42:20] <nvz> ,file ucs.sty
• 1143[12:42:25] <judd> Search for ucs.sty in buster/amd64: texlive-lang-korean: usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/kotex-oblivoir/memhangul-ucs/memhangul-ucs.sty, usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/kotex-utf/dhucs.sty; texlive-latex-extra: usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/ucs/ucs.sty
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• 1145[12:42:58] <nvz> gidna: texlive-latex-extra ^
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• 1148[12:43:48] <|_AkeR_|> btw its comfortable from the sofa
• 1149[12:43:57] <gidna> nvz, How can I find out it myself?
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• 1152[12:44:31] <nvz> gidna: packages.debian.org has a search engine
• 1153[12:44:52] <nvz> gidna: there are also command-line tools you can install like apt-file or a gui packagesearch
• 1154[12:44:52] <gidna> nvz, can't I use dpkg or apt ?
• 1155[12:45:06] <nvz> gidna: no, they can only search CONTENTS of packages that are installed
• 1156[12:45:31] <nvz> gidna: without a special tool, you'd have to fetch the contents file from a mirror and parse it yourself
• 1157[12:45:33] <|_AkeR_|> lol i cant use the channel panel of hexchat for switch between channels any idea? ant + 1 , alt + 2, control + p :P
• 1158[12:45:43] <|_AkeR_|> indeed alt + # works its weirdç
• 1159[12:45:56] <|_AkeR_|> the mouse works on any other area
• 1160[12:46:32] <|_AkeR_|> do you recommend me to kill the program and restart? i use a bouncer
• 1161[12:46:43] <|_AkeR_|> i will satnd up MO ty
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• 1165[12:46:57] * nvz recommends screen or tmux with irssi or weechat
• 1166[12:47:07] <|_AkeR_|> i use abduco and irssi or weechat ty
• 1167[12:47:14] <|_AkeR_|> got it configured will do
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• 1169[12:47:30] <|_AkeR_|> look abduco is awesome
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• 1171[12:48:09] <|_AkeR_|> just clone it, create :$ abduco -c figure ; abduco -l (for list ) ; abduco _A (reattack) detach control + \
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• 1175[12:48:38] <|_AkeR_|> well this one woeks today
• 1176[12:48:41] <|_AkeR_|> works*
• 1177[12:48:44] <nvz> yeah I think I heard of that.. I been using screen long before all these new things existed
• 1178[12:49:01] <nvz> they dont have any features I'm interested in that make it worth learning something new
• 1179[12:49:01] <|_AkeR_|> me too but abduco is a bit more addictive
• 1180[12:49:14] <|_AkeR_|> yeah at least HexChat > overrates mIRC
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• 1182[12:49:21] <|_AkeR_|> mIRC is horrible MO
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• 1185[12:49:46] <nvz> well quassel is a compromise for people who like crap like mIRC but want a detachable more sane client
• 1186[12:50:13] <|_AkeR_|> konversation too is OK but you need QT
• 1187[12:50:15] <nvz> it uses a client/server approach so you can run the core one place and the gui part anywhere
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• 1189[12:50:27] <|_AkeR_|> and more, for me HexChat is a bit more recommednable for GTK
• 1190[12:50:27] <antto> mIRC isn't horrible
• 1191[12:50:46] <|_AkeR_|> antto: i used do create a script, i mean my script
• 1192[12:50:47] <antto> hexchat does some dumb things by default
• 1193[12:50:54] <nvz> yes hexchat is fairly slim but you'd have to use something like xpra to be able to detach it
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• 1195[12:51:01] <|_AkeR_|> and my script is horrible
• 1196[12:51:07] <antto> mine isn't ;P~
• 1197[12:51:26] <|_AkeR_|> because you put UP and doesnt repeat the last command
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• 1200[12:51:40] <|_AkeR_|> you need to write on that mini-box everything all the time
• 1201[12:51:40] <|_AkeR_|> xD
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• 1203[12:51:58] <|_AkeR_|> its hateable but not horrible, OK
• 1204[12:52:10] <|_AkeR_|> i mean awfull
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• 1206[12:52:28] <|_AkeR_|> but wine makes is also sad and usefull
• 1207[12:52:36] <|_AkeR_|> it* :^)
• 1208[12:52:49] <EdePopede> |_AkeR_| as for hexchat. if you use tabs instead of the tree you can tab into it from the input line, select the one you want with cursor keys and activate it with space.
• 1209[12:53:02] <|_AkeR_|> the superior menu is blocked too
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• 1211[12:53:14] <|_AkeR_|> all i see i can run xkill and restart so i like this bug
• 1212[12:53:16] <|_AkeR_|> wont do
• 1213[12:53:25] <nvz> I prefer crossover because while its usually like debian, they keep older versions to make it more stable.. and they have the best GUI (they all suck) to facilitate managing bottles
• 1214[12:53:40] <|_AkeR_|> yes crossover is for games
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• 1217[12:53:55] <|_AkeR_|> and much more.. i mean is better than wine, agreed
• 1218[12:54:01] <nvz> crossover is for people who just want a simple wine impementation with the option of paid support
• 1219[12:54:21] <|_AkeR_|> if they allow pay with phone company i would buy :P
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• 1221[12:54:27] <|_AkeR_|> i wasted 50€ on android crap
• 1222[12:54:36] <|_AkeR_|> PIA, NordVPN and stuff
• 1223[12:54:38] <nvz> it does a good job at managing desktop files (menu/launchers), archiving bottles, etc..
• 1224[12:55:03] <nvz> much easier to install and migrate stuff with crossover
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• 1226[12:55:09] <|_AkeR_|> technically i configured my /etc/rc.local to do :$ windscribe connect
• 1227[12:55:25] <|_AkeR_|> at boot so since yesterday doesnt work and im running my 600Mbit broad with a IPv6 tunnel
• 1228[12:55:37] <|_AkeR_|> yeah i can connect after boot but i loose the IPv6
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• 1230[12:56:08] <|_AkeR_|> also nobody spyes tou, even windscribe is OK
• 1231[12:56:14] <|_AkeR_|> 9$/month
• 1232[12:57:09] <|_AkeR_|> will try
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• 1251[13:12:02] <DarkTrick> There seems to be some issues with vsftpd. Apparently it does not properly read the config file.
• 1252[13:12:10] <DarkTrick> Is there a place to report bugs for that?
• 1253[13:13:00] <|_AkeR_|> yep, for me weechat
• 1254[13:13:04] <|_AkeR_|> 1.6
• 1255[13:13:35] <|_AkeR_|> downloading a .ISO of deepin for if i need to reinstall
• 1256[13:14:00] <|_AkeR_|> lol high ping
• 1257[13:14:15] <|_AkeR_|> DarkTrick: sftp user@host
• 1258[13:14:30] <|_AkeR_|> vsftpd look like a daemon?
• 1259[13:15:16] <DarkTrick> |_AkeR_|, I'm not sure, what you're trying to say
• 1260[13:15:35] <DarkTrick> you mean "runs as a daemon"?
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• 1262[13:16:18] <DarkTrick> Maybe one example problem:
• 1263[13:16:30] <DarkTrick> anonymous_enable=YES
• 1264[13:16:36] <DarkTrick> write_enable=YES
• 1265[13:16:55] <humpled> eek
• 1266[13:17:03] <DarkTrick> anon_upload_enable=YES
• 1267[13:17:08] <humpled> stahp
• 1268[13:17:13] <DarkTrick> but I can't create files
• 1269[13:17:41] <humpled> i guess you restarted the service
• 1270[13:17:51] <DarkTrick> yes
• 1271[13:18:01] <DarkTrick> sudo systemctl restart vsftpd
• 1272[13:18:09] <|_AkeR_|> sudo systemctl status vsftpd
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• 1276[13:18:52] <|_AkeR_|> autoping 2 the rescue ;p
• 1277[13:19:33] <DarkTrick> replaced-url
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• 1279[13:20:27] <humpled> prolly a permissions issue then
• 1280[13:21:01] <DarkTrick> let me check
• 1281[13:21:04] <humpled> just cos vsftpd gives you permission, doesn't mean the filesystem gives vsftpd permission
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• 1286[13:24:09] <DarkTrick> idd
• 1287[13:24:16] <DanteD> I can't find package apache2-mpm-worker in my Buster installation .. any clues to why it is missing?
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• 1290[13:27:12] <DanteD> only package apache2-mpm-itk seems to be available of mpms and prefork is enabled in apache
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• 1292[13:29:54] <jelly> DanteD: prefork, worker and event are packaged by default
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• 1294[13:30:07] <DarkTrick> hm... after chmod-777ing it, I tried to create a dir from remote
• 1295[13:30:17] <DarkTrick> (as "ftp"-user)
• 1296[13:30:25] <jelly> ,f mod_mpm_worker.so
• 1297[13:30:30] <DarkTrick> it failed. Since then I can't connect anymore
• 1298[13:30:35] <jelly> ,file mod_mpm_worker.so
• 1299[13:30:40] <judd> Search for mod_mpm_worker.so in buster/amd64: apache2-bin: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_worker.so
• 1300[13:31:47] <jelly> DanteD: that's a dependency for the "apache2" package, so if you installed apache2 you already have those
• 1301[13:31:59] <DanteD> judd: you are correct, its there
• 1302[13:32:26] <DanteD> but its not at mods-available though
• 1303[13:34:41] <DanteD> I think it should be there as mpm_worker.conf , correct?
• 1304[13:35:01] <DanteD> mpm_worker.load
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• 1306[13:38:50] <jelly> DanteD: which debian release is this again? is "apache2" package installed?
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• 1308[13:39:26] <jelly> ,file mods-available/mpm_worker.*
• 1309[13:39:31] <judd> Search for mods-available/mpm_worker.* in buster/amd64: apache2: etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_worker.conf, etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_worker.load
• 1310[13:40:24] <DanteD> ok so I'm missing those for some reason
• 1311[13:40:25] <jelly> if they're missing but the package is installed,
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• 1313[13:40:28] <jelly> !confmiss
• 1314[13:40:28] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 1317[13:43:13] <DarkTrick> humpled, "hm... after chmod-777ing it, I tried to create a dir from remote ... it failed. Since then I couldn't connect anymore". even after reboot. After reinstalling vsftpd everything worked fine again. Therefor I guess it's an vsftpd issue
• 1318[13:43:24] <DarkTrick> is there any place to report issues?
• 1319[13:44:04] <jelly> DarkTrick: is there anything in logs?
• 1320[13:44:31] <DarkTrick> I purged it, so I guess nothing left
• 1321[13:44:54] <jelly> maybe don't guess but check
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• 1323[13:45:38] <DarkTrick> something there
• 1324[13:45:43] <DarkTrick> sec
• 1325[13:46:52] <humpled> it?
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• 1328[13:50:31] <DarkTrick> jelly, the log seems like the ftp is working fine:
• 1329[13:50:37] <DarkTrick> Sat Sep 14 11:49:38 2019 [pid 3011] [ftp] OK LOGIN: Client "::ffff:192.168.0.26", anon password "gvfsd-ftp-1.40.1@example.com"
• 1330[13:51:10] <DarkTrick> but nautilus says "operation unsupported", when I try to login
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• 1335[13:52:02] <DarkTrick> that "OK LOGIN"-line appeared for every login I tried
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• 1337[13:52:54] <jelly> DarkTrick: use a ftp client that gives more descriptive errors?
• 1338[13:53:51] <jelly> (if you manager to reproduce the issue again)
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• 1341[13:54:15] <jelly> but looking outside this problem space, maybe it's time to stop using ftp
• 1342[13:54:19] <jelly> sftp is nice.
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• 1344[13:55:17] <DarkTrick> jelly, any recommendations for an ftp client?
• 1345[13:56:19] <DarkTrick> filezilla
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• 1348[13:57:34] <jelly> I last used lftp, years ago
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• 1350[13:58:08] <DarkTrick> jelly, nice idea!
• 1351[13:58:09] <DarkTrick> 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
• 1352[13:58:23] <DarkTrick> what does that mean?
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• 1355[14:01:37] <jelly> vsftpd seems to think it's not a good idea to have the root of the ftp service directory tree be writable
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• 1358[14:02:18] <jelly> if I had to GUESS, you probably should have a separate "incoming" or "upload" directory that is writable for the relevant group or user
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• 1360[14:03:02] <jelly> "chmod 777" is almost never a good idea
• 1361[14:03:10] <DarkTrick> idd
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• 1363[14:03:16] <DarkTrick> ugo-w solved
• 1364[14:03:19] <DarkTrick> the problem
• 1365[14:03:29] <DarkTrick> still: My question remains: is there a place to file bugs?
• 1366[14:03:55] <DarkTrick> I think it's not wanted behaviour, that your clients tell you whats wrong with your server
• 1367[14:04:14] <DarkTrick> there should definitely a message from the server at startup
• 1368[14:04:25] <jelly> !reportbug
• 1369[14:04:25] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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• 1373[14:05:22] <DarkTrick> so there is no vsftpd reporting place? ( = It's "only" reportable through debian ?)
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• 1375[14:05:36] <jelly> DarkTrick: judging by your questions so far you probably want to read vsftpd documentation and try to configure it to do what you want, before filing a bug report
• 1376[14:06:12] <jelly> I don't know where the correct upstream bug report place for this piece of software is.
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• 1380[14:07:32] <jelly> as in, I'm pretty sure you can configure the ftp server to show every client a message at startup.
• 1381[14:07:41] <DarkTrick> jelly: reading the doc is definitely a good idea, but my opinion remains: it's the server that should tell you what's wrong. Be it in the logs, as echo or whatever
• 1382[14:07:52] <DarkTrick> that being said
• 1383[14:08:00] <DarkTrick> jelly: Thank you very much for your help!
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• 1385[14:08:22] <DarkTrick> also humpled, you too :)
• 1386[14:08:53] <jelly> DarkTrick: there are two issues at hand; the second one is you did a configuration change so bad the server refused to start AT ALL
• 1387[14:09:15] <DarkTrick> no, the server started
• 1388[14:09:21] <jelly> if it's not started it will be rather hard to tell clients that cannot connect at all to tell what's wrong
• 1389[14:09:22] <DarkTrick> always said active
• 1390[14:10:00] <DarkTrick> I mean: `systemctl status` always said 'active'
• 1391[14:10:11] <jelly> > 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() # refusing to run does not sound like "started"
• 1392[14:10:28] <humpled> there's quite a bit of information in the conf but it's not exactly an explanation
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• 1396[14:12:00] <DarkTrick> jelly, this message came from vsftpd. that means it's actually running
• 1397[14:12:16] <DarkTrick> it does not accept connections, but the piece of code of it is actually being executed
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• 1399[14:12:27] <DarkTrick> otherwise the error message could not be shown
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• 1407[14:18:40] <jelly> yes. Well if you can propose a better failure more to upstream, feel free to do so
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• 1424[14:32:33] <jetscreamer> what switches would i need to cp a linux installation to another hd
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• 1441[14:37:30] <jetscreamer> what switches would i need to cp a linux installation to another hd, so it wouldn't bork out on /dev and stuff
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• 1444[14:38:22] <jetscreamer> don't want to dd the partition over
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• 1448[14:38:49] <NCS_One> hi
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• 1450[14:38:59] <jetscreamer> !greet NCS_One
• 1451[14:38:59] <dpkg> Tag, NCS_One
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• 1453[14:39:19] <skybnet> help
• 1454[14:39:30] <NCS_One> is there a default Debian window recorder application?
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• 1459[14:41:09] <jetscreamer> !help skybnet
• 1460[14:41:16] <jetscreamer> alas
• 1461[14:42:12] <|_AkeR_|> works
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• 1470[14:45:10] <skybnet> i need a gamming laptoop, who can help mi
• 1471[14:46:21] <jetscreamer> i'll sell you one for 10k
• 1472[14:46:30] <jetscreamer> usd
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• 1474[14:47:42] <jelly> skybnet: are you sure Debian's the best option for your gaming needs?
• 1475[14:48:27] <jelly> skybnet: if you're asking for suggestions for specs and models, try the ##hardware channel
• 1476[14:48:59] <jelly> bear in mind hardware that's been in the market for less than 6-12 months might not work well with Linux
• 1477[14:49:04] <skybnet> oh oke, thank you jelly
• 1478[14:49:05] <rabbitear_g> ##hardware is more active
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• 1480[14:50:57] <jetscreamer> damn, there goes my sale... :/
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• 1483[14:53:02] <skybnet> jetscreamer : i'am sorry i do not have money 10k
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• 1486[14:53:32] * jetscreamer now feels bad for teasing skybnet
• 1487[14:53:48] <jetscreamer> me neither though
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• 1497[15:00:30] <jelly> skybnet: oh ##hardware has +r channel mode, you need to have an account with freenode NickServ to join it. /msg NickServ help register
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• 1541[15:32:44] <tagomago> Hi people! Since Buster (MATE) from time to time (once a week or so) Xorg suddenly dies and restarts again...
• 1542[15:33:16] <tagomago> Getting this on dmesg: Chrome_~dThread[2523]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f3d23729d9f sp 00007f3d21b8ead0 error 6
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• 1544[15:33:51] <tagomago> That means anything to anyone?
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• 1552[15:43:24] <aypea[1]> does anyone know what magical arguments to give to 'ip link' to /just/ list real ethernet ports? assuming such a thing exists.
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• 1585[16:10:43] <vsayikiran> Hello, after killing a process, child process is handled by its parent, if no parent then pid 1. After restarting the killed process, is it possible to link orphaned child process to newly created parent.....using any commands?.
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• 1749[17:44:03] <gmturner> Eureka! at a glance replaced-url
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• 1756[17:52:21] <gmturner> ... which appears to be here: replaced-url
• 1757[17:52:21] <anddam> hello, I'm getting broken packages on upgrading Stretch replaced-url
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• 1762[17:53:34] <anddam> specifically libwayland-egl1 : Breaks: libwayland-egl1-mesa (< 18.0.0~rc5-1) but dpkg lists libwayland-egl1 as not installed
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• 1765[17:55:39] <mandeep> anyway to check if bugs have been reported in the channel rather than going to the website?
• 1766[17:55:53] <mandeep> seeing an error with libpng
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• 1769[17:57:32] <mandeep> gonna try a reboot after upgrade
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• 1775[17:59:32] <mandeep> reboot fixed it. guess it was a problem that got patched
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• 1777[18:00:49] <anddam> and seems in my case dist-upgrade manages the replacement of libwayland-egl1-mesa with libwayland-egl1
• 1778[18:02:43] <horribleprogram> How i map CAPS LOCK to <esc>
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• 1782[18:03:26] <horribleprogram> does that work?
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• 1791[18:09:12] <horribleprogram> Now my Caps lock executes both ESC and turns caps lock on lol
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• 1846[19:03:06] <swift110> sup folks
• 1847[19:03:15] <swift110> downloading debian now
• 1848[19:04:24] <antto> ++achievements;
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• 1852[19:06:22] <swift110> yeah I really like the look and feel of bunsenlabs but I felt like it would be better to install debian for the larger community\
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• 1922[19:57:41] <jelly> jim: any context for "adep"?
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• 1924[19:57:59] <jelly> perhaps a relative of alot
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• 1930[20:02:49] <jim> they -look- like build deps
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• 1937[20:08:44] <cusco> hello sirs
• 1938[20:09:30] <cusco> in a old laptop how do I scale down .. whatever I need so it doesn't gain so much heat? I was hoping to throtle cpu and maybe something else.. I was reading on tlp...
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• 1951[20:15:00] <diogenes_> cusco, yes, install tlp, edit /etc/default/tlp, uncomment: #CPU_MAX_PERF_ON_AC=100 change it to CPU_MAX_PERF_ON_AC=50 also, uncomment these two: CPU_SCALING_GOVERNOR_ON_AC=powersave and CPU_SCALING_GOVERNOR_ON_BAT=powersave.
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• 1953[20:15:21] <diogenes_> reboot.
• 1954[20:15:31] <cusco> diogenes_: thanks I was already editing and reading thorugh /etc/default/tlp - thanks
• 1955[20:15:39] <diogenes_> np
• 1956[20:15:49] <cusco> needs a reboot?
• 1957[20:15:56] <diogenes_> yes
• 1958[20:16:06] <cusco> isn't there just some module that I can reload or so?
• 1959[20:16:27] <diogenes_> try reloading: systemclt restart tlp
• 1960[20:16:42] <cusco> ah ok .. I'll check on that :)
• 1961[20:16:42] <diogenes_> systemctl*
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• 2013[21:06:36] <nvz> hmm.. I'd never heard of either of those.. dually noted :P
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• 2046[21:20:51] <at0m> ,v amarok
• 2047[21:20:52] <judd> Package: amarok on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.0-2.1+b1; stretch: 2.8.0-8
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• 2049[21:21:14] <nvz> ,i clementine
• 2050[21:21:15] <judd> Package clementine (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: modern music player and library organizer. Version: 1.3.1+git609-g623a53681+dfsg-1; Size: 4754.6k; Installed: 18861k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2051[21:21:32] <nvz> at0m: amarok development seems to have stalled, clementine is a fork
• 2052[21:21:45] <at0m> nvz: yea 'like' amarok, but missing some features i liked about amarok
• 2053[21:21:57] <at0m> last i tried at least
• 2054[21:22:18] <at0m> nowadays, 99% MPD here
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• 2056[21:22:39] <nvz> I don't really have a need for a fancy music player but I agree amarok had it all
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• 2061[21:23:42] <at0m> i loved the conditional playlists "not played in last $time" AND "more than $x stars" AND "less than $y total plays"
• 2062[21:24:00] <nvz> idk why it fell off.. seems odd for a program so developed to just die out like that
• 2063[21:24:10] <at0m> yea :/
• 2064[21:24:24] <nvz> in debian no less :P
• 2065[21:24:29] * independent !chk in #Canada
• 2066[21:24:37] <independent> !chk in #Canada
• 2067[21:24:54] <nvz> at0m: it had to have been something that caused it to not build anymore
• 2068[21:25:04] <nvz> independent: wtf are you doing?
• 2069[21:25:36] <at0m> nvz: cantata looks very similar to amarok, lots of same features, but mpd frontend
• 2070[21:25:39] <at0m> ,i cantata
• 2071[21:25:41] <judd> Package cantata (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Qt client for the music player daemon (MPD). Version: 2.3.3.ds1-1; Size: 2708.5k; Installed: 10971k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2072[21:26:04] <at0m> still, not the conditional playlists i loved so much
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• 2075[21:28:50] <at0m> mpd has python-mpd2, guess i'll have to cook something up
• 2076[21:29:00] <at0m> ,i python-mpd2
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• 2078[21:29:01] <judd> No package named 'python-mpd2' was found in buster/amd64.
• 2079[21:29:20] <at0m> ,i python-mpd
• 2080[21:29:20] <judd> Package python-mpd (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Python MPD client library. Version: 1.0.0-3; Size: 20.9k; Installed: 104k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2090[21:37:22] <nvz> cook me something up too.. preferably slathered in gravy
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• 2109[21:57:24] <letterrip> is there a way install buster from linux with a graphical installer?
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• 2111[21:57:47] <letterrip> i don't have boot media handy, and don't think i can do a net install
• 2112[21:57:51] <letterrip> on this network
• 2113[21:57:59] <nvz> well wtf.. I was trying to setup diaspora, had installed diaspora-installer-mysql and during the configuration via debconf, it asks for password confirmation for diaspora-common and of course it always fails no matter if I leave it blank or type something in, cause I can't "confirm" what I was never asked to provide in the first place :-/
• 2114[21:58:02] <letterrip> i assume there is something like debbootstrap
• 2115[21:58:26] <letterrip> that could be done... but googling hasn't turned up anything obvious
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• 2117[21:58:58] <nvz> letterrip: could you describe your use case in a bit more detail?
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• 2119[21:59:49] <letterrip> nvz - have 2 hard disks - one with an empty partition for debian; the other currently running latest ubuntu - don't have install media at hand; so was curious if there is a way to run the install from the ubuntu partition
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• 2121[21:59:58] <letterrip> i know i can do debootstrap
• 2122[22:00:10] <letterrip> but that is a bit too primative for my tastes
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• 2124[22:00:22] <letterrip> or too masochistic :)
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• 2127[22:01:12] <nvz> letterrip: heh
• 2128[22:01:44] <nvz> letterrip: and is your network access restricted somehow? can you access a debian mirror and download files fine?
• 2129[22:02:11] <letterrip> yes can access mirrors fine
• 2130[22:02:21] <nvz> letterrip: and you don't have any thumbdrive or anything to use?
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• 2132[22:02:40] <letterrip> i have by phone I suppose :)
• 2133[22:02:44] <letterrip> my phone
• 2134[22:03:01] <nvz> yeah thats not really a good idea :P
• 2135[22:03:08] <letterrip> not sure if my computer would let me access it as install media though...
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• 2137[22:03:25] <letterrip> worst case is i just do it in a day or so
• 2138[22:03:27] <nvz> it would but you could mess up your phone trying to write install media to it
• 2139[22:03:32] <letterrip> after grabbing install media
• 2140[22:03:37] <letterrip> from home
• 2141[22:03:54] <nvz> thing is, we're shifting to calameres and it should facilitate these things better
• 2142[22:04:07] <nvz> but I personally have not used it yet.. so I'm not real confident in using it
• 2143[22:04:12] <letterrip> ic
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• 2145[22:04:38] <nvz> and I don't offhand know of a place to get support on that specifically in this regard..
• 2146[22:04:46] <letterrip> no problem
• 2147[22:04:51] <letterrip> was just and idle thought
• 2148[22:04:52] <nvz> I'd be more inclinet to help you do it a way I know how
• 2149[22:05:24] <letterrip> no worries - will just download the install media and put on a thumb drive when i get home...
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• 2152[22:07:53] <letterrip> this looks promising... replaced-url
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• 2155[22:08:49] <letterrip> nvz ^
• 2156[22:09:39] <nvz> thats outdated
• 2157[22:09:48] <nvz> replaced-url
• 2158[22:10:04] <nvz> but its no less complicated than pxe booting or debootstrap
• 2159[22:10:06] <letterrip> yep just saw 'stretch' in the name
• 2160[22:10:14] <nvz> really debootstrap is the simplest option
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• 2163[22:10:37] <nvz> if you dont have some media to write an install image to
• 2164[22:11:02] <letterrip> nvz well - i can put the media in my existing ubuntu and reference it via a grub entry
• 2165[22:11:47] <nvz> you'd just do the partitioning from ubuntu using gparted, the debootstrap part is dead simple one liner, and the only real tricky bit is user account creation and bootloader setup/.. but you already have a bootloader installed and a debian based distro
• 2166[22:12:11] <nvz> letterrip: yeah.. if you're that comfortable with grub you got no excuse to not just use debootstrap :P
• 2167[22:12:20] <letterrip> nvz - i've already done debootstrap partially
• 2168[22:13:06] <letterrip> but and i have a working chroot
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• 2170[22:13:22] <letterrip> but i don't want to manually set up devices, fstab, etc
• 2171[22:13:29] <nvz> the rest from that point is trivial..
• 2172[22:13:39] <letterrip> ah - perhaps point me to a reference?
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• 2174[22:14:10] <nvz> are you planning on doing some kind of complicated setup? RAID+LUKS+LVM+RAID+LVM+LUKS+LVM+RAID :P
• 2175[22:14:35] <nvz> if its just a simple rootfs and maybe swap and perhaps home partition, its dead simple
• 2176[22:14:40] <letterrip> no - just simple
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• 2180[22:15:08] <nvz> you probably already have a swap partition for ubuntu you can use.. even if you are doing uefi, you probably also already have an efi partition from ubuntu
• 2181[22:15:23] <letterrip> yep have the swap
• 2182[22:15:33] <letterrip> no uefi - ancinent laptop
• 2183[22:15:45] <nvz> so all you need in there is two lines.. a swap and a rootfs?
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• 2185[22:16:02] <letterrip> fstab already shows that i think
• 2186[22:16:17] <nvz> maybe on the ubuntu system
• 2187[22:16:22] <letterrip> ah yep
• 2188[22:16:34] <nvz> letterrip: is it using uuids on the ubuntu fstab?
• 2189[22:16:50] <letterrip> yes
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• 2191[22:16:59] <letterrip> i can get those with gparted
• 2192[22:17:05] <nvz> letterrip: meh
• 2193[22:17:32] <nvz> letterrip: you can just copy the ubuntu fstab into the debian partition where it belongs in /etc/fstab
• 2194[22:17:35] <nvz> then just change the rootfs UUID
• 2195[22:17:43] <nvz> use lsblk to see devices
• 2196[22:17:50] <nvz> then use blkid to see the uuid
• 2197[22:17:57] <letterrip> ok - what I saw in the tutoriall was much more compllicated :)
• 2198[22:17:59] <nvz> i.e. blkid /dev/sdb1
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• 2200[22:18:16] <letterrip> ty
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• 2204[22:19:27] <nvz> all you need is the fstab, from within the chroot you need to create users/passwords, and install a bootloader and with /proc,/sys,/dev bound
• 2205[22:19:58] <nvz> then once you boot debian you can just run tasksel or use apt to install more stuff like a DE or whatever
• 2206[22:20:00] <letterrip> isn't the bootloader already installed?
• 2207[22:20:06] <letterrip> so i just need to update?
• 2208[22:20:16] <letterrip> ok
• 2209[22:20:25] <nvz> letterrip: not on the debian side.. you need the actual package installed in debian so when kernels update, it can update grub
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• 2212[22:20:31] <letterrip> ic
• 2213[22:20:36] <nvz> debootstrap afaik won't install the bootloader
• 2214[22:20:50] <nvz> cause its not always used for a bootable install, sometimes its just used for a chroot
• 2215[22:21:07] <nvz> you probably just want grub-pc
• 2216[22:21:11] <nvz> ,i grub-pc
• 2217[22:21:12] <judd> Package grub-pc (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). Version: 2.02+dfsg1-20; Size: 127.9k; Installed: 532k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2218[22:21:27] <nvz> since you say its an old laptop with no uefi
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• 2220[22:22:00] <nvz> idk what kinda old laptop has two hdds though.. those are rare :P
• 2221[22:22:32] <nvz> even my 2013 era T440 can only hold one SATA drive and one m.2 ssd in the WWAN port
• 2222[22:23:00] <nvz> dell has made some machines that supported more drives, and older thinkpads with an ultrabay could have a special caddy for a 2nd drive
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• 2228[22:24:57] <cbthree> Does anyone here use qtox for videocalls? How does it fare compared to Jami?
• 2229[22:25:35] <letterrip> nvv a VAIO VGN-AR320E
• 2230[22:25:38] <nvz> cbthree: you do realize its much easier to do what I did earlier when you asked that, and just install both and see.. heh.. than the offchance someone has used both and would answer that
• 2231[22:25:39] <letterrip> nvz
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• 2237[22:28:04] <nvz> letterrip: hmm.. you'd be better off just putting windows on that and trying to sell it to someone and get a newer machine :P
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• 2239[22:28:36] <letterrip> nvz - heh - well it doesn't upgrade past vista; I'll be getting a new computer in the not too distant future
• 2240[22:28:44] <letterrip> but I'm stuck with this till then
• 2241[22:29:12] <cbthree> nvz, i have not found any articles comparing the two applications and by article i mean one written by someone knowledgeable
• 2242[22:29:31] <letterrip> nvz - has definitely led me to learn more linux than I'd needed to for past amchines :)
• 2243[22:29:34] <nvz> cbthree: all the more reason to just install em both and try it and see
• 2244[22:29:45] <ZaZaGX> put Vista XP black market on it :P
• 2245[22:29:54] <ZaZaGX> errr Windows XP
• 2246[22:30:02] <letterrip> ZaZaGX lol
• 2247[22:30:05] <nvz> cbthree: I just installed both of them when you asked earlier because I'd never heard of either of them
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• 2249[22:30:41] <cbthree> nvz, hard disk space is too tight mention. my emmc is just 16 gigabytes
• 2250[22:30:42] <nvz> cbthree: I use skype when I must do such things.. its what most idiots use for interviews and such..
• 2251[22:31:14] <nvz> cbthree: what is this a chromebook? armhf?
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• 2253[22:32:00] <cbthree> nvz, i may be a desktop newbie but not an idiot or perhaps not idiot enough to install skype which is non free
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• 2255[22:32:42] <nvz> cbthree: on my system which I am using MATE, jami and qtox cost me all of 25MB additional disk space with dependencies
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• 2258[22:33:15] <cbthree> nvz, your hard disk is less than 16 gigabytes?
• 2259[22:33:25] <nvz> cbthree: fwiw jami is twice as large to install.. its like 16MB where qtox only required 8MB
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• 2261[22:33:45] <nvz> cbthree: no, I don't have a hard disk.. I have a 120GB SSD :P
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• 2267[22:34:32] <nvz> but regardless, a standard desktop install uses like 4GB, on top of that installing both is only another 25MB as I just said
• 2268[22:34:35] <nvz> !de usage
• 2269[22:34:35] <dpkg> de usage is probably The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see replaced-url
• 2270[22:35:01] <cbthree> 120 gigabytes is a lot more than 16 and can not upgrade my emmc drive because it is built-in, that is part of the motherboard
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• 2272[22:35:45] <humpled> i think that usage is out of date
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• 2274[22:36:26] <nvz> humpled: it is.. and I just did the stuff at the url in that factoid on 10.1 within the last week
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• 2276[22:36:55] <nvz> I know quite well what that info is, I'm the one who put it there :P
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• 2280[22:37:22] <humpled> so it is out of date or it isn't?
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• 2282[22:37:30] <letterrip> nvz - a bit more detail on binding /proc, /sys, /dev if you please
• 2283[22:37:45] <lgceraso> d
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• 2286[22:38:47] <letterrip> nvz - just add proc to fstab - then mount it?
• 2287[22:38:50] <letterrip> bind it?
• 2288[22:38:57] <nvz> letterrip: no
• 2289[22:39:26] <letterrip> nvz - ah ok that was what it seemed to suggest in the tutorial...
• 2290[22:39:32] <nvz> letterrip: you need to have those bound inside the chroot for grub to be able to access information about the running system to install properly
• 2291[22:39:46] <letterrip> ok
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• 2293[22:40:12] <nvz> letterrip: for i in proc sys dev; do mount --bind "/$i" "/mnt/$i"; done
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• 2295[22:40:23] <nvz> letterrip: done from ubuntu not the chroot, assuming the chroot is on /mnt
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• 2297[22:41:39] <cbthree> apt is a great package manager, installing from source is too convoluted and messy. How can i install netsurf on Debian 10? There is no snap/flatpak either
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• 2299[22:43:14] <letterrip> nvz got it, thanks
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• 2301[22:44:35] <letterrip> nvz much fewer errors that way :)
• 2302[22:45:23] <ZaZaGX> i wanna bait a call scammer from india
• 2303[22:45:31] <digdilem> cbthree, if there's no .deb available and it's not in the repo (a quick google suggests it was for older versions of debian but not cirrent) - then you have to build it from source
• 2304[22:45:39] <letterrip> nvz - excellent - grub-pc installed
• 2305[22:46:04] <letterrip> so will reboot and do tasksel
• 2306[22:46:08] <cbthree> digdilem, which is too convoluted and messy
• 2307[22:46:10] <letterrip> nvz - thanks for the assistance
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• 2309[22:46:29] <nvz> letterrip: did you set a rootpw at least?
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• 2311[22:46:50] <letterrip> nvz - added a user with sudo permission
• 2312[22:47:04] <letterrip> nvz that sufficient?
• 2313[22:47:05] <nvz> letterrip: did you make sure sudo was installed?
• 2314[22:47:15] <digdilem> cbthree, then find something else
• 2315[22:47:32] <letterrip> nvz yeppers
• 2316[22:48:17] <digdilem> it took me three weeks to fully build one program I really wanted back in 2002, cbthree. if it's too messy you don't want it enough.
• 2317[22:48:34] <cbthree> i do not understand why debian 10 offers the bug ridden dillo whose development ceased FOUR years ago and not netsurf which is currently developed and supported
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• 2319[22:49:02] <digdilem> cbthree, then adopt netsurf and become a maintainer for it, rather than complain nobody else has
• 2320[22:49:16] <nvz> !why is netsurf-gtk not in testing?
• 2321[22:49:16] <dpkg> netsurf-gtk is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
• 2322[22:49:31] <cbthree> digdilem, 2002 was 17 years ago. Things are supposed to be easier on the GNU/Linux desktop, right?
• 2323[22:49:42] <digdilem> they are. that's kinda my point.
• 2324[22:50:23] <digdilem> but if nobody commits to build and maintain a package for a program for debian, don't be surprised it's not in the repo
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• 2326[22:50:50] <digdilem> sadly this stuff still doesn't happen by magic.
• 2327[22:50:57] <letterrip> nvz - ah can run tasksel from within the chroot also... nice
• 2328[22:52:12] <cbthree> digdilem, i am a desktop newbie, certainly not a developer/mantainer.
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• 2331[22:52:45] <nvz> letterrip: sure
• 2332[22:53:28] <digdilem> cbthree, that's fine. honestly. but accept that not all possible software is in all possible distros. most projects are small and only build for the distros the developers use. for some reason I can't quite figure out, not everyone uses debian. yet
• 2333[22:53:46] <nvz> cbthree: what kind of hardware are you on? you never did answer that.. is this an amd64 machine?
• 2334[22:55:00] <lupine> debian is called the universal operating system for a reason
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• 2336[22:55:15] <lupine> waiting patiently for tasksel add mobile-phone or so
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• 2338[22:56:07] <nvz> cause I just installed netsurf on buster amd64 pretty easily
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• 2340[22:56:23] <zetuno> trying to install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver, apt reports that many dependencies "but it is not going to be installed" how do I force install of these deps?
• 2341[22:56:30] <cbthree> digdilem, i accept that not all possible software can be in the debian repo but netsurf is the only graphical web browser that works fine on a Pentium III that is currently developed and supported. Forget about Firefox and Chromium on a Pentium III
• 2342[22:56:45] <cbthree> and forget about midori too
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• 2344[22:57:09] <nvz> zetuno: paste the full output plus the output of apt policy on paste.debian.net
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• 2346[22:57:53] <cbthree> nvz, at this very moment i am running buster on a Samsung Chromebook 3
• 2347[22:58:03] <ZaZaGX> whoa ya can?
• 2348[22:58:37] <cbthree> nvz, CPU: Intel Celeron N3060 (2) @ 2.480GHz
• 2349[22:58:42] <ZaZaGX> nice
• 2350[22:58:48] <nvz> so thats amd64 then
• 2351[22:58:52] <cbthree> yes
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• 2354[22:59:44] <nvz> cbthree: well the good news is, the sid version installs cleanly if you manually download the two packages.. I just tested it
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• 2356[23:00:06] <nvz> cbthree: replaced-url
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• 2358[23:00:15] <nvz> download and install that one first with gdebi
• 2359[23:00:40] <nvz> cbthree: then install this one replaced-url
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• 2362[23:01:19] <cbthree> nvz, that version is no longer supported neither by the developer nor by debian
• 2363[23:01:25] <ZaZaGX> whats netsurf?
• 2364[23:01:45] <nvz> cbthree: *shrug* that I can't help.
• 2365[23:02:01] <cbthree> nvz, thanks anyway
• 2366[23:02:09] <zetuno> nvz, replaced-url
• 2367[23:02:57] <cbthree> Netsurf is THE only graphical web browser that works fine on a Pentium III that is currently developed and supported
• 2368[23:03:33] <nvz> if it were me, I'd go try sell that chrombook for $150 to someone and go buy a better machine.. you can get either of the last two machines I had the x240 I just sold or the T440 I have now for that price and they boot fast, have great battery life, work great with debian, and aren't running on crap hardware
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• 2370[23:03:54] <nvz> zetuno: please do not use that site in the future
• 2371[23:03:59] <cbthree> It is fast on a Pentium III and lightning fast on modern desktop computers
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• 2373[23:06:27] <nvz> zetuno: get rid of the ubuntu source, apt update, and try again
• 2374[23:07:25] <cbthree> ZaZaGX, replaced-url
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• 2377[23:07:35] <nvz> idk wtf is on that mirror exactly it redirects to replaced-url
• 2378[23:08:38] <nvz> ,v nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs
• 2379[23:08:39] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver-libs on amd64 -- stretch-backports/non-free: 390.116-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 390.116-1; bullseye/non-free: 390.129-1; sid/non-free: 390.129-1
• 2380[23:09:18] <nvz> zetuno: more than likely your package cache is stale, but idk if that ubuntu source is dangerous or not, I can't browse it.. you should get rid of it
• 2381[23:12:27] <zetuno> yeah I got rid of it
• 2382[23:12:57] <zetuno> paste.debian.net/1100800
• 2383[23:15:03] <nvz> zetuno: you have 198 packages for upgrade.. you might want to apt upgrade first
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• 2388[23:20:25] <cbthree> nvz, i can not sell my chromebook because it was a gift and the person who gave it to me would be offended
• 2389[23:20:42] <zetuno> ,v nvidia-support
• 2390[23:20:43] <judd> Package: nvidia-support on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 20141201+1; stretch/contrib: 20151021+4; bullseye/contrib: 20151021+9; buster/contrib: 20151021+9; sid/contrib: 20151021+9
• 2391[23:21:07] <cbthree> nvz, the Pentium III i can sell but no one wants to buy it
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• 2394[23:24:16] <nvz> cbthree: I get the concept but its kinda a crap machine and if someone wanted it, and you used the money to get a better one I don't really see the problem. Its a niche item not meant to run a full OS, it'd be ideal for someone who wanted a cheap netbook, its however just causing you grief
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• 2396[23:25:33] <nvz> its going to depreciate in value and become obsolete insanely fast.. its best to get out from under it if you can
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• 2398[23:27:10] <nvz> technically it wasn't worth half its MSRP the minute it was bought.. if you can still find someone to buy it for $150 that'd be a blessing
• 2399[23:27:47] <cbthree> nvz, no one wants to buy my Pentium III and the peanuts i would get if someone would will certainly not allow me buy a better machine. I do not understand what you mean by " it'd be ideal for someone who wanted a cheap netbook" . My Pentium III is not a netbook
• 2400[23:28:15] <nvz> the chromebook is a netbook, the PIII you'd have to have sold 15-20 years ago :P
• 2401[23:28:43] <nvz> the chromebook won't be worth a gallon of milk by this time next year probably
• 2402[23:28:52] <cbthree> nvz, i can not sell my chromebook because it was a gift and the person who gave it to me would be offended. The Pentium III i can sell but no one wants it
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• 2405[23:29:49] <nvz> yes well I see no debian issue I can help you with. I'm just telling you that you're stuck with crap hardware and I'd offend someone who would be offended by a smart investment sooner rather than later
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• 2407[23:30:42] <Mdlpe> hi, I installed Buster. The wifi scan properly the network, the password is ok but no assiociation in wifi
• 2408[23:30:53] <nvz> I'd have to save up to be broke, if you robbed me all you'd get is practice.. and I manage to have better hardware cause I flip the stuff before it gets useless and I dont get crap nobody will use
• 2409[23:31:09] <cbthree> Debian 9 is installed on the Pentium III and netsurf too. Forget about Firefox, chromium and midori on a Pentium III
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• 2411[23:31:30] <humpled> uzbl?
• 2412[23:31:33] <nvz> Mdlpe: are you familiar enough to edit some config files cause I have a theory
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• 2414[23:31:59] <Mdlpe> nvz: not completly newbie but not expert
• 2415[23:32:51] <nvz> Mdlpe: edit as root /etc/default/grub and add to GRUB_COMMANDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0" save the file and reboot, see if that fixes it, if it does I wouldn't mind you coming back and telling me which adapter it is
• 2416[23:33:23] <nvz> Mdlpe: actually its GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
• 2417[23:33:25] <Mdlpe> nvz: ok I'll do it
• 2418[23:33:32] <nvz> Mdlpe: oh wait..
• 2419[23:33:35] <zetuno> I needed to add contrib sources as well as non-free
• 2420[23:33:36] <nvz> Mdlpe: you gotta update-grub after doing that
• 2421[23:34:05] <nvz> Mdlpe: the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" will be in there already just add the net.ifnames=0 save, run update-grub then reboot
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• 2424[23:35:38] <nvz> zetuno: o.O your paste showed you already had non-free
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• 2426[23:36:28] <nvz> 500 replaced-url
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• 2430[23:37:16] <nvz> though it didn't show it on the updates.. guess I should've caught that..
• 2431[23:37:21] <zetuno> yeah. I had to add contrib
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• 2434[23:37:31] <zetuno> is contrib a subset of nonfree or something?
• 2435[23:37:58] <zetuno> thanks for the answers btw my old man linux skills are rusty to say the least
• 2436[23:38:18] <AndroUser> I am wondering if someone can help me get back into my Debian stable is? I am in irc on my cell phone and my laptop won't boot up.
• 2437[23:38:20] <nvz> zetuno: main contains software fully complaint with Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG), contrib contains software that is DFSG but depends on stuff that isn't and non-free is sstuff that isn't DFSG
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• 2440[23:39:15] <Mdlpe> nvz, done, I reboot
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• 2444[23:39:39] <nvz> AndroUser: do you have some background, did you upgrade or have power failure, is there any indication why its not booting? is it at least getting past the bootloader?
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• 2446[23:41:14] <zetuno> fyi my initial review i that these legacy nvidia drivers definitely slow down startuptime. a few ~5 second blank screens. but i'm hoping it fixes a video hang that has been happening while streaming video
• 2447[23:41:53] <Mdlpe> nvz: You are the king :) It works fine now
• 2448[23:42:05] <AndroUser> Boot loader shows up, but fails. I attempted an upgrade from stretch to buster and it didn't upgrade. I put back stretch in the /etc/apt/sources, and that did return libreoffice, but after rebooting I lost the boot.
• 2449[23:42:23] <nvz> Mdlpe: is it a usb thing or internal?
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• 2451[23:42:42] <Mdlpe> nvz: usb AlfaNetwork
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• 2453[23:42:52] <nvz> Mdlpe: could I see the lsusb line for it?
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• 2456[23:43:33] <nvz> Mdlpe: and if you wouldn't mind, you could also send an email regarding this issue containing this information to 933967@bugs.debian.org
• 2457[23:43:52] <nvz> Mdlpe: this is now 3 adapters I've come across that don't work with predictable interface names
• 2458[23:44:03] <AndroUser> I only have 18% on my cell phone battery.
• 2459[23:44:06] <Mdlpe> nvz: replaced-url
• 2460[23:45:16] <nvz> Mdlpe: not the same as either of the two I'd already put in there.. replaced-url
• 2461[23:45:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2463[23:46:22] <nvz> we were going to check to see if it was merely a length of the ifname that caused the issue.. but last I'd fooled with it I couldnt seem to get systemd to cooperate with renaming the interface
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• 2465[23:47:05] <Mdlpe> nvz: for the bug, do I need to pastetobin lsub or explain what's append. I'm not familiar with bug report
• 2466[23:47:46] <pq9_2> replaced-url
• 2467[23:48:18] <nvz> Mdlpe: the only important things are to send to that address, include the line from lsusb Bus 003 Device 002: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter and mention that you are confirming the issue occurs for you with this adapter and that disabling predictable ifnames with net.ifnames=0 fixed it
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• 2469[23:48:36] <nvz> Mdlpe: just to document that we found another adapter that doesn't work with it
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• 2471[23:49:57] * nvz looks around for the one here that doesn't work to try some stuff
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• 2475[23:51:22] <nvz> meh, idk where it dissappeard to.. heh.. gotta find it and remember to run this down cause its an annoying issue
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• 2478[23:52:25] <Mdlpe> nvz: done. Thanks a lot
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• 2480[23:52:40] <nvz> Mdlpe: no problem.
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• 2483[23:54:40] <AndroUser> nvz>I am not getting past the boot loader.
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• 2486[23:54:59] <nvz> AndroUser: so you're seeing a grub> prompt?
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• 2490[23:57:04] <AndroUser> I am not at grub, but can probably get to it. I have a boot menu at startup with four option including two advanced ones.
• 2491[23:58:20] <nvz> AndroUser: I am just trying to deduce what you mean by the system won't boot.. if it shows the boot menu, then the bootloader is working.. so unless its just powering off at that point, then you ARE getting past grub
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• 2493[23:59:21] <nvz> and if its powering off, then you have hardware problems, cooling, power, loose cable, dying SSD maybe, idk
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• 2495[23:59:55] <AndroUser> nvz>. If I select the first boot option (Debian) then it won't complete the boot.
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