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0[00:00:04] <mawk> I don't know what a port bond is, with my VMs and containers I never needed it
1[00:00:19] <mawk> I use various bridges and either veth for containers or macvtap for VMs
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3[00:00:56] <somiaj> mikeliss: that's fine, scripts to recover will work to. I was just giving an alternative.
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5[00:01:06] <mikeliss> I'm probably using the wrong terminology. The idea is to have two physical ports work together as one.
6[00:01:18] <mikeliss> I appreciate it, somiaj.
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8[00:01:24] <mawk> what for ? to turn your computer into a switch ?
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10[00:01:26] <mawk> that's a bridge then yes
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12[00:01:57] <mikeliss> mawk: Better performance (mostly) and reliability if one ethernet port goes down.
13[00:02:09] <mawk> that's bonding then, I guess
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15[00:02:17] <mikeliss> Yeah? That's what I was saying?
16[00:02:20] <AlbinoStoic> That's bonding
17[00:02:21] <mawk> I guess
18[00:02:27] <mikeliss> Or intending to?
19[00:02:28] <AlbinoStoic> and you have various bond modes to pick whether it is reliable or performant
20[00:02:43] <AlbinoStoic> It generally doesn't do both at the same time (just due to MACs and such)
21[00:02:55] <mikeliss> Yeah, so I want that + a bridge for KVM.
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23[00:03:13] <mawk> bridging is like a switch or a hub
24[00:03:21] <AlbinoStoic> e.g: either you have a policy that handles one connection per port, iterating per connection to balance; and others that try to send packets in the same connection across multiple ports, but this can confuse switches and other machines.
25[00:04:07] <AlbinoStoic> KVM Bridging especially, just exposes your virtual machines directly to your host network, as unique devices (they don't look like you.) Your host machine becomes a dumbswitch for the VM traffic.
26[00:04:23] <mawk> yeah, security wise it's not very good mikeliss
27[00:04:32] <mawk> but I'm sure he meant bridging all the VMs together AlbinoStoic
28[00:04:35] <mawk> that's what people usually do
29[00:04:43] <mawk> then use routing and NAT
30[00:05:17] <mikeliss> I'm new to setting this up, but I think my goal is to have an IP address for the host and an IP address for the guest.
31[00:05:18] <AlbinoStoic> and/or you just enable "promiscuous bridging" in virtualbox, virt-manager, etc
32[00:05:22] <AlbinoStoic> or brctl promiscuous on
33[00:05:23] <mikeliss> And I think a bridge accomplishes that?
34[00:05:24] <mawk> but on the same network mikeliss ?
35[00:05:29] <mikeliss> Yeah
36[00:05:33] <AlbinoStoic> no requirement for NAT, etc. (unless internet incoming)
37[00:05:36] <mawk> ah, yeah so you want the dumb bridging
38[00:05:45] <AlbinoStoic> dumb bridging is the easiest
39[00:05:48] <mawk> so you need to be aware that your VM can talk to anyone on your other network
40[00:05:49] <mikeliss> I like easy.
41[00:05:55] <mawk> NAT isn't especially hard either
42[00:05:58] <mawk> it's like 2 commands
43[00:06:01] <AlbinoStoic> make a br0 , but eth0 (or enp0s1f6) under it, put VMs under it too, done
44[00:06:19] <mawk> sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s $VM_RANGE ! -d $VM_RANGE -j MASQUERADE
45[00:06:20] <AlbinoStoic> brctl set promiscuous or w/e to enable inter-VM chatter
46[00:06:22] <mawk> for the dumbest rule you can do
47[00:06:29] <mikeliss> We have a private network for the servers. Guests chatting with each other is by design.
48[00:06:30] <mawk> bridges are always promiscuous AlbinoStoic no ?
49[00:06:40] <mikeliss> It's only three physical machines.
50[00:06:45] <mawk> even when it doesn't has the IFF_PROMISC flag
51[00:06:45] <AlbinoStoic> mawk: You can turn it off in virtualbox, virt-manager or I think in brctl as well
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53[00:06:55] <mawk> yeah but I think it doesn't matter to linux
54[00:06:57] <AlbinoStoic> then each virtual adapter only gets connected to the host adapter, not to eachother too
55[00:07:10] <AlbinoStoic> so packets must then go to the host , switch , host , VM -- as opposed to VM <--> VM
56[00:07:31] <mawk> ah, that's not the same promiscuous as usual then; promiscuous is getting frames for MACs other than you
57[00:07:41] <mawk> I mixed the two
58[00:08:08] <AlbinoStoic> If you have VLAN tagging, port trunking, a real switch, literally anything special; promiscuous off can make VMs look like uniquely isolated devices.
59[00:08:16] <mawk> if it's by design you can go on mikeliss
60[00:08:26] <mawk> even though even in that case with a few tweaks here and there you can firewall that with iptables
61[00:08:31] <mawk> so you keep a little security
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63[00:09:00] <mikeliss> I'd be happy to have more security, but I'm really focused on getting functionality first.
64[00:09:00] <mawk> you enable net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables
65[00:09:13] <mawk> then using a special match rule in iptables you can filter the traffic going through the bridge
66[00:09:20] <mawk> instead of using the very lame ebtables command
67[00:09:53] <mikeliss> Kinda lost me here, but the final result is what? Specific ports to specific guests?
68[00:10:02] <mawk> no, just generic firewall
69[00:10:08] <AlbinoStoic> Security at all, vs ... all packets "just work"
70[00:10:08] <mawk> you will be able to filter what passes through the bridge
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72[00:10:18] <mikeliss> Filter by what?
73[00:10:19] <AlbinoStoic> by default, a bridge, or dumb switch, passes all packets in all directions
74[00:10:20] <mikeliss> Port?
75[00:10:23] <AlbinoStoic> anything
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77[00:10:30] <mikeliss> What's typical?
78[00:10:32] <mawk> you can filter by bridge port, and by anything you want
79[00:10:39] <AlbinoStoic> iptables lets you filter by proto, port, dst, src, ... content... etc
80[00:10:41] <mawk> yeah you can say this vm can only talk to this host on this port
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82[00:11:01] <mawk> if you don't enable this sysctl switch you can only filter by ip, and vm can spoof their IPs
83[00:11:07] <mawk> since they're right on the bridge they can do anything
84[00:11:12] <AlbinoStoic> ^^^^^
85[00:11:12] <mawk> they can even impersonate the host
86[00:11:19] <AlbinoStoic> Which gets real fun....
87[00:11:24] <AlbinoStoic> ebtables prevents that by default, which is nice
88[00:11:29] <mikeliss> That seem useful.
89[00:11:30] <mawk> yeah
90[00:11:39] <AlbinoStoic> vs iptables w/o configuring the nf-bridge feature
91[00:11:40] <mikeliss> Is there a larger howto on this either of you'd recommend?
92[00:11:40] <mawk> my sysctl command allows you to use iptables instead of ebtables for all IP traffic
93[00:11:52] <mawk> you have the same for ip6tables and arptables
94[00:12:02] <AlbinoStoic> xtables-legacy and friends
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96[00:12:11] <AlbinoStoic> Erm... as per a guide...
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98[00:12:20] <AlbinoStoic> Cisco bridging documentation was a great read for the theory
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100[00:12:23] <mikeliss> I'm also sort of....um...baffled by all these crazy sysctl commands. Like, wtf is that thing and where did it come from? It seems a new system has passed me by.
101[00:12:24] <mawk> I don't like ebtables since it has a horrible interface, but iptables is pretty nice
102[00:12:33] <mawk> it's config options for the kernel
103[00:12:34] <AlbinoStoic> lots of diagrams and explanation as to what it does on a spec level.
104[00:12:35] <mawk> very simple interface
105[00:12:42] <mawk> it's a bunch of files in the /proc/sys directory
106[00:12:49] <mawk> you write to them like they were real files
107[00:12:49] <AlbinoStoic> mawk: One of the reasons I am building my own distro: no user-space firewall
108[00:12:54] <mawk> nice
109[00:13:14] <mawk> well netfilter is in the kernel
110[00:13:18] <AlbinoStoic> ksyscall('bpf', rules_ptr);
111[00:13:18] <mawk> but I get what you mean
112[00:13:20] <AlbinoStoic> :D
113[00:13:25] <AlbinoStoic> bpf > netfilter
114[00:13:27] <mikeliss> Wait, so where do I start my googling on this for a simple but effective way of doing this?
115[00:13:40] <mikeliss> I can't quite keep up with the convo/jargon.
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117[00:13:42] <AlbinoStoic> mikeliss: Break it down, it's a lot.
118[00:13:46] <AlbinoStoic> What do you want to learn first?
119[00:13:50] <mawk> of doing what mikeliss ? you can do the firewall later
120[00:13:50] <phogg> and soon bpf will be part of netfilter, hopefully
121[00:14:03] <mawk> firewall isn't required for normal operations in most cases
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123[00:14:11] <mikeliss> firewall later is my plan, was hoping for something to bookmark now so I can review later.
124[00:14:16] <mawk> then you have some convoluted network setups where firewall rules are needed, but you're not there yet
125[00:14:30] <mikeliss> For now I just want to get the danged static bridge/bond connection up.
126[00:14:35] <mawk> well I just read man iptables and saw a few diagrams, that's how I learnt networking
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128[00:14:55] <mawk> also I had one week-end to move my entire company offices and setup the switches and routers, while knowing nothing to network
129[00:14:57] <AlbinoStoic> So, to set up bridging for the first time-- consult a hypervisor documentation.
130[00:14:58] <mawk> that helped me get going
131[00:15:07] <AlbinoStoic> For example, SolusVM Node Installation -- KVM Bridging tutorial
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133[00:15:13] <mawk> if you want to get your hands dirty you can try making a bridge by hand mikeliss
134[00:15:27] <AlbinoStoic> That should guide you through exactly that process ^
135[00:15:32] <mikeliss> I absolutely do not want my hands any dirtier than needed. :)
136[00:15:34] <phogg> definitely a good idea to do it by hand at least once
137[00:15:38] <AlbinoStoic> buuuut, what's your distro again?
138[00:15:44] <mawk> brctl is outdated, now you can use ip
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140[00:15:49] <AlbinoStoic> rh/fedora/centos or debian/ubuntu/whatever based?
141[00:15:54] <mikeliss> My distro? Debian.
142[00:16:00] <AlbinoStoic> take a backup of your network config before you start, as you will take yourself offline repeatedly
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144[00:16:06] <AlbinoStoic> Yeah, so backup /etc/network/interfaces
145[00:16:10] <mikeliss> Yeah, I did that.
146[00:16:27] <AlbinoStoic> then make sure you have .. .what? inetutils , iproute2 and bridge-utils ?
147[00:16:35] <AlbinoStoic> or were those replaced too after brctl went?
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149[00:17:06] <mawk> once you know the trick it's very simple, it takes like 3 steps for a container for instance (a VM a similar): you create a bridge with « ip link add br0 type bridge », you set this bridge as the master of your interface with « ip link set eth0 master br0 », you create a veth pair for use with your container « ip link add veth0 type veth peer name veth1 » and then you setup your container to use veth1 as its interface
150[00:17:21] <mawk> then you up all the interfaces, add the addresses on br0 as usual
151[00:17:25] <mawk> and you've got connectivity on the container
152[00:17:33] <mawk> for a VM it's very similar, it's just macvtap instead of veth
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154[00:17:53] <AlbinoStoic> The thing to remember: Your bridge takes your IP now, not your trunk port (eth0/emp0s1f6)
155[00:18:00] <AlbinoStoic> that's what screwed me up for a while
156[00:19:22] <mikeliss> mawk: The amount of magic in that "very simple" trick is boggling.
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158[00:19:24] <mawk> the equivalent in terms of /etc/network/interfaces is specifying bridge_ports eth0 in the iface block for the br0 bridge
159[00:19:27] <mawk> lol mikeliss
160[00:19:35] <mawk> ip is the swiss army knife for networking
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162[00:19:43] <AlbinoStoic> oh lawdy
163[00:19:46] <mikeliss> There are a few of those.
164[00:19:46] <mawk> more than the swiss army knife, it's the primary gateway to networking
165[00:19:51] <AlbinoStoic> I just learned hand-routing the other day
166[00:19:52] <mawk> no, it's the primary tool
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169[00:20:06] <AlbinoStoic> a newly learned respect for the `ip` tool vs previous tools
170[00:20:06] <mawk> it's not just another tool, it's the primary command for setting up network
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172[00:20:21] <AlbinoStoic> `ip route` being so integral to getting anything working in a no-service network :X
173[00:20:22] <mawk> if you want to get lower level than it you open a terrible netlink socket to the kernel and talk with binary commands
174[00:20:24] <mikeliss> Good to know. I've seen a lot of sysctl being thrown around too, and ifconfig, and brctl, and whatever else.
175[00:20:29] <mawk> from a script ip is the lower level you can get
176[00:20:40] <AlbinoStoic> sysctl <-- changing system configuration in a reliable way
177[00:20:41] <mawk> ifconfig is the predecessor of ip, it's deprecated now
178[00:20:50] <mawk> ip replaces brctl, ifconfig, route, arp
179[00:20:59] <mawk> it replaces all these; it also replaces tunctl, and some others
180[00:21:13] <AlbinoStoic> the /etc/sysctl.(conf?cfg) file being where those changes can be persisted
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182[00:21:22] <mawk> .conf yes
183[00:21:29] <mawk> .cfg is uncommon
184[00:21:32] <AlbinoStoic> mawk: Why is `iproute` still a different subsys/binaries ?
185[00:21:42] <mawk> what do you mean ?
186[00:21:46] <mawk> ip is iproute
187[00:21:48] <mawk> iproute is the name of the package
188[00:21:49] <AlbinoStoic> e.g: `ip route` ([ip, route]) != `iproute`
189[00:21:50] <phogg> but it does not replace tc, more's the pity
190[00:21:51] <mawk> iproute2 rather
191[00:21:59] <AlbinoStoic> iproute = a different binary , in busybox and GNU systems
192[00:22:00] <mawk> ah, well it's a single binary AlbinoStoic
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194[00:22:02] <mawk> with a lot of subcommands
195[00:22:02] <AlbinoStoic> that has a different use, etc
196[00:22:07] <mawk> ah I don't know about iproute
197[00:22:14] <mawk> I guess it's the prevous version, now it's iproute2
198[00:22:19] <mawk> it's the package name for ip
199[00:22:22] <AlbinoStoic> It's more, I've never used it- I wonder if I can strip it from my distro
200[00:22:28] <mawk> I guess you can yes
201[00:22:30] <AlbinoStoic> `iproute` binary that is, since it doesn't come from the `iproute2` package
202[00:22:41] <AlbinoStoic> Sweet, thanks.
203[00:22:59] <mikeliss> Well, this has been edifying. I appreciate all the input.
204[00:23:28] <mawk> so now you know the lowlevel command for setting up the network, it's ip
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206[00:23:37] <mawk> your /etc/network/interfaces config file uses ip
207[00:23:42] <tobiasBora> Are we still supposed to edit files in /etc/X11/xorg? I though is was out of date, but I see quite a lot of ressource (not that old) refering to xorg.conf: replaced-url
208[00:23:42] <mawk> you can do ifup -v to see that
209[00:23:54] <mikeliss> I don't want to sound ungrateful, but I think that's one of the few things I definitively learned.
210[00:23:59] <AlbinoStoic> tobiasBora: Not directly, unless you need a system-wide change.
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212[00:24:07] <AlbinoStoic> You normally want to use .Xconfig if it's available instead.
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214[00:24:19] <AlbinoStoic> (located in your home directory)
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216[00:24:45] <mikeliss> If I make changes using ip, do those get persisted somewhere?
217[00:24:47] <AlbinoStoic> ** ifup isn't guaranteed to be on modern systems anymore, package: ifupdown is depr in favor of raw `ip` usage
218[00:24:51] <tobiasBora> AlbinoStoic: and I can use the same syntax as in Section "Pointer"...?
219[00:24:51] <mawk> so yeah if you want to learn ip at your own rythm you can just use ifup -v to see which ip commands correspond to your /etc/network/interfaces file
220[00:25:01] <AlbinoStoic> mikeliss: No, you have to write them in /etc/network/interfaces to persist
221[00:25:04] <tobiasBora> AlbinoStoic: and also, how can I take the changes into account?
222[00:25:05] <mawk> really AlbinoStoic ?
223[00:25:11] <mawk> what is processing /etc/network/interfaces then ?
224[00:25:30] <AlbinoStoic> Depends on the system. /etc/init.d/network on mine ,a shell script that calls `ip` various ways :/
225[00:25:35] <mawk> ifconfig is deprecated, but ifup is just the thing that processes /etc/network/interfaces, it's higher level
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227[00:25:42] <mawk> I see
228[00:25:53] <AlbinoStoic> Ubuntu 18.04 uses netplan now (eugh)
229[00:25:59] <AlbinoStoic> so no network/interfaces file anymore
230[00:26:05] <mikeliss> This is nuts.
231[00:26:14] <mawk> good thing I use debian
232[00:26:29] <AlbinoStoic> mikeliss: Yeah... don't worry about it too much. Everything changes, a lot
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234[00:26:59] <mikeliss> So, I have to learn ip in order to make changes that I can also make by persisting the interfaces file, which I have to figure out how to do anyway because if I don't none of my changes with ip will do anything after a reboot.
235[00:27:26] <mikeliss> AlbinoStoic: I guess so.
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237[00:27:54] <mawk> you don't have to learn ip but it's sure useful
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239[00:28:03] <mikeliss> kinda how I'm feeling atm.
240[00:28:04] <mawk> also to make temporary changes to try out things before writing a config file
241[00:28:18] <AlbinoStoic> Doing things with `ip` are safer at least in your case, where you can reboot to get your internet back. You could just as well be making changes one-by-one in the file, and asking the networking service to re-apply said file; HOWEVER;
242[00:28:44] <AlbinoStoic> there are times when re-applying said file can simply "not work", due to the order of operations (e.g: you delete lines describing a bridge interface, then it doesn't know what to do with it)
243[00:28:55] <mawk> yeah, this is a problem with ifupdown
244[00:28:58] <AlbinoStoic> and then a reboot is necessary anyways , or manual fixing with `ip` command
245[00:29:22] <mawk> usually you can down the interface, flush everything, do ifdown --force to force the internal ifupdown state to be down, then ifup it like normal
246[00:29:22] <mikeliss> That sounds reasonable.
247[00:29:46] <mikeliss> I suppose `ifdown --force -a` should provide a relatively clean slate.
248[00:30:12] <mawk> for the internal ifupdown state yes
249[00:30:18] <mawk> but for the real state I don't know
250[00:30:25] <mawk> that's why I suggered all the ip command to flush state
251[00:30:32] <mawk> but it's maybe not necessary, you'll se
252[00:30:35] <mawk> see
253[00:30:49] <mawk> you do « ip -c addr » to see the addresses, « ip -c route » to see the routes
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262[00:38:23] <mikeliss> mawk, AlbinoStoic, does this look reasonable as a simple bridge connection: replaced-url
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264[00:38:38] <mikeliss> (I think I'm going to leave bonding as a second exercise and keep things simple at first.)
265[00:39:05] <mawk> that's reasonable
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267[00:39:36] <mawk> yeah but it's eno1 not eth1 mikeliss
268[00:39:41] <mawk> not eth0 *
269[00:39:43] <mawk> in the bridge_ports
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271[00:39:59] <mikeliss> Good catch. Thank you!
272[00:40:02] <mawk> also the other bridge_* commands are superfluous I think, it's just grandma's recipe you find online
273[00:40:10] <mawk> some people needed them for performance or something and it stuck
274[00:40:23] <mikeliss> All I can find online are old recipes.
275[00:40:37] <mikeliss> I mean, that's from the Debian wiki. :)
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278[00:42:13] <mikeliss> Alright, well, here goes nothing (using the command you offered earlier to revert if needed)
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283[00:44:46] <mawk> good
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285[00:46:47] <tobiasBora> Any idea why when I run "dev.enable(libevdev.EV_KEY.BTN_TOOL_PEN)" it stops being detected by xinput???
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292[01:01:35] <mikeliss> mawk: I ended up doing a crobtab instead. Seemed safer to just replace the new interfaces file with a working one and reboot. Anyway, wasn't needed! I think the bridge connection is up, so that's 2/3 of my networking needs met. Last need is the bonded connection.
293[01:02:01] <mawk> well you have to trust my blind bash skills but it's equivalent I think
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297[01:02:10] <mawk> good
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299[01:02:16] <mikeliss> I'm sorry I didn't trust you. :)
300[01:02:18] <mawk> well played
301[01:02:20] <mawk> lol it's fine
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303[01:02:28] <mawk> I wouldn't trust myself either for something like this
304[01:02:31] <mawk> not without a few tests before
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306[01:02:49] <mikeliss> exactly. Cron I trust. Person from the internet...kinda.
307[01:03:02] <mawk> echo 'setting'; sleep 5 && { echo 'unsetting'; } || { echo 'interrupted !'; }
308[01:03:05] <mawk> my trick was this
309[01:03:06] <mikeliss> Though with the amount of weirdness in the networking stack, I don't know why I trust cron anymore.
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311[01:03:18] <mawk> if you run this and ^C in the first 5 seconds it says interrupted, otherwise it says unsetting
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313[01:03:34] <mikeliss> Yeah. I get that. I just don't trust all the setting and unsetting bits.
314[01:03:35] <mawk> doesn't even echo interrupted actually, but the meaning is here
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317[01:04:08] <mawk> they were ip commands you can break down, if I remember I down addr flush, route flush, link set nomaster
318[01:04:16] <mawk> respectively to flush addresses, route, bridge settings
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321[01:04:30] <mawk> I did*
322[01:04:43] <mikeliss> I get it. I just don't trust it with having to put my ass in a car if wrong.
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325[01:06:54] <mawk> lol
326[01:06:55] <mawk> yeah
327[01:07:20] <mawk> for my server I have management access if things go wrong
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329[01:07:29] <mawk> I can connect to a virtual monitor/keyboard and fix things
330[01:07:33] <mawk> even if everything went horribly wrong
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332[01:07:47] <mikeliss> That via Rackspace console or something?
333[01:08:02] <mawk> via the HP rack console yes
334[01:08:04] <mawk> dunno about rackspace
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336[01:08:11] <mikeliss> Sounds similar.
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375[01:55:54] <raidghost> Anyone here, got good luck with activate iommu ?
376[01:56:24] <raidghost> Trying to pci passthrought a pci-e dvb-c card in libvirtd
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388[02:11:47] <SerajewelKS> i'm on a system with postfix installed but there is no "mail" binary in $PATH and no results for bin/mail on p.d.o!?
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392[02:13:02] <SerajewelKS> mmm apparently it's bsd-mailx and it's provided as an alternative -_-
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514[04:24:20] <kevr> i can't use startx on my fresh install of deb9 with i3 because i don't have permission to the X server. could someone point me in the right direction to some doc of what I should be looking for on debian to solve this?
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548[04:50:03] <A|an> I'm trying to install duplicity backport...supposedly apt-get -t stretch-backports install duplicity is the incantation...doing so returns "The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT"
549[04:50:16] <A|an> How do you install a backport using apt-get?
550[04:50:58] <A|an> And backports are in my sources.list
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554[04:55:03] <awal1> A|an, add backports repo to your sources.list first and update before that command
555[04:55:17] <awal1> dpkg: stretch-backports
556[04:55:17] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
557[04:55:28] <awal1> dpkg: backports
558[04:55:28] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
559[04:55:53] <awal1> ok,, you said you already have the repo in your sources
560[04:55:59] <A|an> yes
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562[04:56:01] <awal1> run apt-get update so
563[04:56:07] <A|an> did so
564[04:56:30] <awal1> can you paste your sources?
565[04:56:35] <awal1> paste.debian.net
566[04:56:44] <A|an> I'm following the directions at backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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568[04:56:47] <A|an> yes
569[04:56:51] <A|an> just a sec
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572[04:59:10] <A|an> replaced-url
573[05:00:10] <A|an> I have it committed out!!!!
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575[05:00:21] <A|an> can you believe a retard thing like that?!
576[05:00:37] <A|an> well, problem solved
577[05:03:33] <awal1> you have the repo disabled :d
578[05:03:34] <awal1> lol
579[05:03:36] <A|an> thx, awal1
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581[05:04:44] <A|an> (I'd've worried myself to death if I hadn't come here <blink-blink>)
582[05:04:55] <A|an> pretty stupid
583[05:05:00] <A|an> anyway, thx
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586[05:06:07] <awal1> np
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605[05:27:00] <mwheeler> At the risk of being 99th person to come in and ask, did jessie-updates disappear from mirrors on purpose or is something broken?
606[05:27:27] <BenderRodriguez> hm
607[05:27:42] <jcb2016> mwheeler: guess what im about to ask
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610[05:29:45] <mwheeler> jcb2016: why am I still running jessie?
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615[05:30:30] <jcb2016> mwheeler: nope. did jessie-updates disappear
616[05:30:48] <mwheeler> hehe
617[05:30:52] <jcb2016> :D
618[05:31:05] <mwheeler> This is the URL I'm using in case that's importantreplaced-url
619[05:34:09] <jcb2016> why don't the debian install images have firmware included with them? any ideas anyone?
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621[05:36:48] <mwheeler> jcb2016: the non free firmware? so that debian can remain 100% opensource for users that choose that
622[05:37:30] <jcb2016> mwheeler: don't know. just wondering why it didn't
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625[05:39:03] <jcb2016> mwheeler: let me tell you what im trying to do. i want to do. i currently run debian in a virtualbox but i want to try it on real hardware. so i want to boot a live debian image/usb with presistant data so when i exit and boot back up the data saves. all the tries ive done all have failed. just wondering how i can boot the live image with usb and load the firmware for wifi at the same time. or is that even
626[05:39:06] <jcb2016> possible
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629[05:42:35] <jcb2016> ive installed debian to usb succesful and it boots normally everything is fine. i dont' want ubuntu i want debian o_O
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654[06:02:35] <milkt> jcb2016: there is unofficial installer image which containing non-free firmware
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667[06:08:52] <aidansw> Hey, I was wondering, how do I grant a mounted drive execute permissions?
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746[07:19:26] <mmybd> I have a configuration problem when I try to install mariadb (on debian testing): "Job for mariadb.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mariadb.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details."
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750[07:21:58] <mmybd> journalctl -xe gives that: replaced-url
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778[07:50:08] <pingfloyd> started getting this just today "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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780[07:50:17] <pingfloyd> when I run apt-get update
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785[07:52:48] <vStone> Any known issues with the archive servers? Jessie-backports's release file seems to be outdated
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787[07:53:52] <pingfloyd> vStone: are you having trouble with jessie-updates and jessie-backports too?
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791[07:54:24] <pingfloyd> vStone: I started getting messages like this just today "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
792[07:54:36] <pingfloyd> when running apt-get update
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795[07:55:50] <pingfloyd> I wonder if there is an outage
796[07:55:54] <vStone> I'm feeling like chances have been made. wheezy-backports switched from deb.debian.org to archive.debian.org last week too I think.
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798[07:58:32] <pingfloyd> I think it's an issue with the ftp.us.debian.org mirror
799[07:58:47] <pingfloyd> I see both jessie-updates and jessie-backports on ftp.debian.org
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806[08:00:08] <vStone> replaced-url
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831[08:18:10] <pingfloyd> is this correct? "httpredir.debian.org has been discontinued because of lack of maintenance and now redirects to replaced-url
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904[09:01:50] <kleind> Hi. I see "InRelease is expired (invalid since 34d 11h 33min 22s)" for archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports. Is that a bug or am I supposed to use Check-Valid-Until=false for oldstable backports?
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907[09:02:59] <themill> archive.d.o is only an historical archive. You're not supposed to be using it
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910[09:03:44] <themill> (support for jessie-backports ended on 2018-05-17 fwiw)
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927[09:11:10] <jobor> How do I find out why a certain package is present in oldstable and sid, but not in stable and testing? (In my case libjasper-dev)
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930[09:12:34] <pstk> hello here, why I get warning about release file on archives.debian.org from jessie backports?
931[09:12:47] <pstk> E: Release file for replaced-url
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933[09:14:15] <kleind> Support for that repository ended in may 2018. You can - if you want to - disable the Check for the Valid header with the apt.conf option "Check-Valid-Until" set to false (or no?)
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936[09:14:46] <pstk> but Check-Valid-Until is globally option
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938[09:15:09] <kleind> true, unfortunately. i just learned that a couple minutes ago myself.
939[09:15:27] <pstk> I don't understand why jessie backports has moved to archives…
940[09:15:28] <kleind> in stretch's apt, it is per repository
941[09:15:45] <kleind> yeah, I could not find a reason for that, either
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945[09:16:59] <pstk> so… thanks kleind
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972[09:52:49] <roylaprattep> is jessie-backport repo down?
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975[09:53:37] <vStone> it moved to archive.debian.org roylaprattep, but replaced-url
976[09:54:10] <roylaprattep> so we can't use it anymore? i can remove it from my sources.list?
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978[09:54:30] <roylaprattep> no more update will bw made to it?
979[09:54:37] <roylaprattep> be*
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989[10:02:57] <rant> I have a networking issue here.. Debian Stable, I am connected to my internet gateway via wireless on 10.0.0.1 and I am playing with my various Linksys WRT54G* routers via ethernet on 192.168.1.1 when I enable the wired connection (static) in network-manager applet I am able to browse the web and maintain my mosh connection here, but certain sites like sf.net are not accessible in chromium it says
990[10:03:03] <rant> ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE which I find confusing when I can get to google, wikipedia, etc..
991[10:04:36] <rant> traceroute is failing on anything cause its using 192.168.1.1 and ending there cause there is not internet available on this network..
992[10:05:00] <rant> I just dont understand how I'm able to get to some sites via chromium and not others if there is an problem in my routing tables
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995[10:07:10] <rant> its obviously not actually using 192.168.1.1 for DNS cause its resolving sf.net and google.com to IPs which this wrt54g cant do cause its not online. replaced-url
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998[10:09:59] <rant> nm, I figured it out.. removed the gateway from the ipv4 tab and disabled ipv6 and I'm still able to access the wrt54g on 192.168.1.1 but its not screwing with my routing
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1000[10:10:15] <rant> still doesnt make sense to me though that I was able to load some sites and not others
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1002[10:10:26] <rant> seems to me like a routing table issue is an all or nothing deal
1003[10:10:47] <rant> in the case where one network has internet and the other doesnt..
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1044[10:33:36] <tobiasnl> ohai :)
1045[10:33:57] <tobiasnl> does anybody know where replaced-url
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1047[10:35:04] <rant> right there ^ :P
1048[10:35:29] <tobiasnl> for me it 404s...
1049[10:35:32] <tobiasnl> cdn borked?
1050[10:36:00] <apollo13> maybe, 404s here to
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1052[10:36:43] <rant> dpkg, what is jessie?
1053[10:36:43] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
1054[10:37:01] <rant> dpkg, what is jessie-lts
1055[10:37:01] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
1056[10:37:11] <tobiasnl> @dpkg afaik jessie-lts is supported from that url
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1059[10:37:46] <rant> dpkg, jessie/updates?
1060[10:37:46] <dpkg> On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list> <jessie-lts>.
1061[10:38:02] <tobiasnl> simple stuff like running apt-get update inside a docker-image based on debian:jessie is dead here
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1064[10:38:45] <tobiasnl> rant: this worked a week ago :) so did something change?
1065[10:38:52] <rant> there /has/ been some odd stuff going on with the jessie mirrors recently
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1069[10:40:22] <jelly> replaced-url
1070[10:40:29] <tobiasnl> ah found it
1071[10:40:30] <jelly> > Removal of Wheezy and Jessie (except LTS) from mirrors
1072[10:40:37] <tobiasnl> ah jelly was 10s quicker
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1074[10:41:12] <fritzroy15> hello, are there issues today with debian's repos? I can't seem to get apt update to work ( debian 8 jessie ): replaced-url
1075[10:41:13] <tobiasnl> so I guess I gotta hint the debian:jessie docker image maintainer that his stuff is out of date
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1077[10:41:39] <tobiasnl> haha, I'm guessing you're gonna have more questions regardingthis today
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1079[10:42:08] <tobiasnl> @fritzroy15 replaced-url
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1082[10:43:09] <pragomer> how can I read a csv file that is separated with semicolons?
1083[10:43:11] <pragomer> I tried
1084[10:43:19] <pragomer> column -t -s; myfile.csv
1085[10:43:31] <tobiasnl> escape the ; ?
1086[10:43:38] <fritzroy15> tobiasnl not sure I understand, has LTS support ended for deb8?
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1088[10:43:52] <tobiasnl> fritsroy15 no the non LTS bits are archived
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1091[10:44:19] <pragomer> escaping is that with an \ ?
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1093[10:44:45] <tobiasnl> pragomer yes
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1095[10:44:55] <pragomer> ah yes, it works. thank you very much
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1100[10:47:06] <fritzroy15> tobiasnl not sure I understand how to fix it on my end
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1102[10:47:25] <fritzroy15> tobiasnl tried updating all repo sources with archive.debian.org but that's not it
1103[10:48:21] <jelly> fritzroy15: there's nothing to fix but remove jessie-updates and jessie-backports repositories from your config
1104[10:48:25] <CrazyTux> which is a better approach when we want to migrate to a newer release of Debian, installing it afresh or complete upgrade of the existing installation?
1105[10:48:38] <jelly> CrazyTux: both work.
1106[10:48:41] <apollo13> well the safer bet is obviusly a fresh install
1107[10:48:47] <CrazyTux> in case of Debian stable.
1108[10:48:52] <apollo13> also a good way to test if your configuration management system works :D
1109[10:49:02] <jelly> safer for whom?
1110[10:49:13] <CrazyTux> for an end user.
1111[10:49:28] <apollo13> jelly: for the sys admin to know that the config files are as they should be
1112[10:49:43] <rant> yes because all the literature regarding LTS is no longer valid
1113[10:49:53] <CrazyTux> suppose if one has debian 8 installed and wants to move to 9.
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1115[10:50:21] <apollo13> personally at laest I do not do updates, I do new installs for major version changes -- ymmv
1116[10:50:24] <jelly> CrazyTux: there is a supported and documented in-place upgrade path, if you want to do it that way..
1117[10:50:26] <rant> I was checking the mailing lists, and other mirrors, I don't see any jessie-updates on any of them and the LTS wiki entry says to use that in your sources
1118[10:50:27] <CrazyTux> I am asking from the perspective of a non technical end user.
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1120[10:50:43] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
1121[10:50:43] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1122[10:50:49] <mami64> hello
1123[10:50:50] <rant> the jessie/updates is still there on security.debian.org
1124[10:51:04] <themill> rant: jessie/updates *is* LTS.
1125[10:51:07] <jelly> rant: and it will keep being there. That's where lts packages go.
1126[10:51:09] <mami64> I have a problem with "page allocation failure" in debian8 (kernel distro 3.16.51-3+deb8u1). The problem repeats every ~20 days ---dmesg---> replaced-url
1127[10:51:14] <fritzroy15> jelly so where will it get its updates from ?
1128[10:51:33] <jelly> fritzroy15: not from those any more.
1129[10:51:43] <mami64> I change RAM to new and add 2x
1130[10:51:55] <fritzroy15> jelly what are the new sources I should change to?
1131[10:51:57] <jelly> fritzroy15: because there won't be updates in those repos, and there haven't been any for a while.
1132[10:52:05] <mami64> And I dont have any idea
1133[10:52:24] <jelly> fritzroy15: you don't put in any. You plan a release upgrade to Debian 9 if there's something new you need.
1134[10:52:27] <Haohmaru> mami64 perhaps, run a memtest?
1135[10:52:29] <mami64> server: PowerEdge R620
1136[10:52:29] <rant> then I suppose someone should fix the wiki then
1137[10:52:34] <weedloser> how long does it usually take from the full freeze to an official stable release?
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1139[10:52:37] <fritzroy15> ah okay, thanks for the info!
1140[10:52:56] <jelly> fritzroy15: or you make your own local backports!
1141[10:52:57] <KOLANICH> Hi everyone. How to get rid of dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless ?
1142[10:53:16] <mami64> Haohmaru: For latest (this same) problem I change to new RAM and added 2x more RAM
1143[10:53:28] <rant> replaced-url
1144[10:53:36] <mami64> problem returns ~20-23 days
1145[10:55:31] <themill> rant: thanks, fixed.
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1147[10:55:42] <beardy> /msg judd find /bin/host
1148[10:56:23] <mami64> ...
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1150[10:57:06] <mami64> cat /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
1151[10:57:08] <mami64> 90112
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1154[10:59:39] <rant> dpkg jessie/updates ~= s/ and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>)//
1155[10:59:39] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, rant
1156[10:59:48] <rant> dpkg jessie/updates =~ s/ and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>)//
1157[10:59:48] <dpkg> rant: OK
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1159[10:59:59] <Haohmaru> mami64 no idea about that
1160[11:00:26] <rant> dpkg jessie/updates =~ s/re are two repositories/other repository/
1161[11:00:27] <dpkg> rant: OK
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1163[11:02:25] <mami64> Haohmaru: maby I change kernel to 4.x
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1165[11:02:36] <mami64> mamby code CPU was problematic or something
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1168[11:02:53] <mami64> I dont known.
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1170[11:03:26] <jelly> rant: now go fix up stretch/updates as well!
1171[11:03:26] <fritzroy15> i'm really confused right now; the full story is we had a build working off the ruby2.2.2 docker image which is based on the debian8 image; now apt is broken, it can't find any package anymore, and the apt update command just fails altogether
1172[11:03:28] <mami64> this debian is without systemd
1173[11:03:32] <fritzroy15> no idea how to sort this mess
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1175[11:03:40] <overbythere> hopefully not repeating something, but jessie-updates disappeared overnight, did I miss something?
1176[11:03:57] <jelly> fritzroy15: how broken is your apt?
1177[11:04:05] <jelly> dpkg, basic apt troubleshooting
1178[11:04:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1179[11:04:08] <jelly> fritzroy15: ^
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1183[11:05:02] <themill> overbythere: yes, it has been unsupported since 2018-05-17 and was finally removed
1184[11:05:17] <overbythere> time to upgrade yayay
1185[11:05:22] <overbythere> boss can't stop me now
1186[11:05:52] <themill> well, the time to upgrade was either this time last year, or in another year when jessie-lts runs out, depending on your use case
1187[11:05:53] *** jelly changes topic to 'Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.8 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch ; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie, jessie-updates and jessie-backports REMOVED 2019-03-24, /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg jessie-lts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing, unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
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1189[11:06:14] <overbythere> themill shh the error in apt-get is my way to say we need to upgrade, it'll do :D
1190[11:06:55] <jelly> there, now we have somthing in topic that noone will read
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1192[11:07:45] <colo-work> hmmm
1193[11:08:05] <colo-work> has jessie/updates "contrib" vanished?
1194[11:08:06] <overbythere> jelly i promise i read the topic twice before i posted, pls dont hat eme
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1197[11:09:59] <fritzroy15> jelly replaced-url
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1199[11:10:31] <jelly> I won't hat anyone, this is not #fedora
1200[11:10:38] <overbythere> ha!
1201[11:10:38] <overbythere> touché
1202[11:10:55] <tobiasnl> @jelly I read the topic when I entered! :-)
1203[11:11:00] <tobiasnl> but, good busy
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1207[11:11:32] <fritzroy15> jelly don't i have to change the existing sources.list to somewhere on archive.debian.org?
1208[11:12:30] <jelly> fritzroy15: remove jessie-updates and jessie-backports repo from the config for starters
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1210[11:12:53] <jelly> and there's an issue with third (first?) party postgresql repo you're using
1211[11:12:56] <rant> dpkg, stretch/updates =~ s/ (see <jessie-updates>)//
1212[11:12:56] <dpkg> OK, rant
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1214[11:14:59] <rant> only jessie machine I had was my father's desktop and I upgraded it this time last year just cause I wasnt sure if I'd be around when it reached EOL
1215[11:15:08] <fritzroy15> jelly so I can leave in just "deb replaced-url
1216[11:15:10] <jelly> rant: a link to <stretch-updates> could have been left in place there, don't you think?
1217[11:15:31] <jelly> fritzroy15: and security.d.o one too.
1218[11:15:56] <rant> jelly: doesn't matter really, the factoid for jessie-updates speaks of it in past tense and says it no longer exists.. but idk.. what else was wrong with that factoid then? :P
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1221[11:16:41] <fritzroy15> jelly what would be the line for security?
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1224[11:18:36] <KOLANICH> Damn. replaced-url
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1227[11:19:26] <themill> KOLANICH: I think you might need to offer a bit of context
1228[11:19:47] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
1229[11:19:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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1235[11:21:43] <KOLANICH> themill: I am packaging a prebuilt app. I download it from GitHub and with scripts rip into different packages. but dpkg-buildpackage fails.
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1238[11:22:37] <jim> hi. just installed inkscape on stretch, and when I hover the mouse over the icons, I get a white rectangle with a black border, and nothing on it
1239[11:23:03] <jim> is this a known issue? could it be a configuration problem?
1240[11:23:05] <KOLANICH> themill: the error is `dpkg-genbuildinfo: error: binary build with no binary artifacts found; .buildinfo is meaningless` .
1241[11:23:51] <themill> jim: istr that's something in the gtk theme -- you have white on white.
1242[11:24:01] <themill> KOLANICH: yeah, that's not actually any info I didn't already know. How about the full output?
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1244[11:25:54] <jim> themill, sounds right to me (what's istr again?)
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1246[11:26:20] <jim> I got it, I seem to recall
1247[11:26:34] <fritzroy15> jelly thank you very much, everything seems to work now; that's a neat feature with ! in the channel, are all the standard config files the system comes with listed? A lot of times I forget to copy the original before overwritting it and need to search for a copy
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1249[11:27:49] <fritzroy15> jelly also, for how much longer are those repositories for jessie be supported?
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1252[11:29:32] <fritzroy15> so I know when our builds might fail again; would that be the EOL date of june 30 2020?
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1258[11:37:44] <mami64> Haohmaru: maby change vm.min_free_kbytes=90112 ?
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1260[11:37:59] <mami64> to vm.min_free_kbytes=1048576 ?
1261[11:38:01] <Haohmaru> no idea what that is
1262[11:38:05] <mami64> i have 128 GB RAM
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1264[11:39:32] <jim> themill (and *), I got this when starting inkscape (and as noted in the pastebin, I removed the config files): replaced-url
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1266[11:40:21] <jim> still the white-on-white thing is happening, even after removing the configs
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1269[11:42:20] <pstk> fritzroy15: same here...
1270[11:42:29] <pstk> we have removed jessie-updates repo
1271[11:43:04] <fritzroy15> what will happen after EOL on June 30 2020? will apt break again?
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1275[11:45:17] <fritzroy15> havent experienced EOL events before
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1281[11:48:29] <damasceno> I can see jessie-updates and jessie-backports repos were removed, does anyone know why?
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1283[11:49:09] <fritzroy15> damasceno replaced-url
1284[11:49:10] <tobiasnl> because they can :)
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1287[11:49:49] <tobiasnl> the only thing I dont understand is why a version in LTS should not be in the normal /dists
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1289[11:50:03] <damasceno> tobiasnl: xD
1290[11:50:17] <damasceno> fritzroy15: thanks. It broke our production env :(
1291[11:50:30] <tobiasnl> same here. Lots of red pipelines.
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1293[11:50:41] <damasceno> Is there a way to keep up with the changes? We want to prevent something like this to happen again...
1294[11:50:55] <fritzroy15> tobiasnl damasceno same here
1295[11:50:57] <tobiasnl> subscribe to debian-devel-announce
1296[11:51:07] <themill> jessie-updates has not been used for almost a year and should not have been in your sources.list giving you a false sense of security
1297[11:51:35] <tobiasnl> themill: not everybody uses debian at that level - for lots of people its just a building block
1298[11:51:52] <fritzroy15> guys, what happens on June 30 2020 ( deb8 EOL ) as far as APT is concerned?
1299[11:51:58] <themill> you should still know if your building blocks are supported
1300[11:52:01] <tobiasnl> (and why didnt it move almost a year ago? that makes it more vague why stuff just died this week)
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1302[11:52:19] <themill> it was supposed to be but just didn't happen
1303[11:52:45] <colo-work> [11:51:58] <themill> you should still know if your building blocks are supported - hehe, tell that to ubuntu users :>
1304[11:52:46] <themill> (it's quite a lot of work and there were more important things to do for the volunteers who deal with that sort of janitorial work)
1305[11:53:02] <damasceno> Thanks for the info guys
1306[11:53:37] <fritzroy15> did you ever get that feeling you're invisible and nobody pays attention to what you say?
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1308[11:53:53] <tobiasnl> I just dont have an answer fritzroy15
1309[11:53:58] <themill> fritzroy15: step 1, you'll just not get any more updates. step 2, it will be removed from the mirror and you'll get 404s.
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1311[11:54:13] <tobiasnl> so step 1 is similar to now
1312[11:54:21] <themill> fritzroy15: you should be planning to stop using it before the end date, not after the end date when things suddenly break
1313[11:54:24] <tobiasnl> and step 2 is similar to why you came here - errors in your console
1314[11:54:30] <themill> it's not like these dates aren't published years in advance.
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1317[11:54:50] <fritzroy15> ah okay, so we need to update by then
1318[11:54:52] <damasceno> P.S: It can still be found in the official debian jessie docker image: replaced-url
1319[11:54:59] <damasceno> So, this is not right...
1320[11:55:02] <fritzroy15> was just curious if the packages linger around
1321[11:55:08] <tobiasnl> damasceno: thats why i raised an issue there
1322[11:55:25] <themill> damasceno: fsv official
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1324[11:55:51] <tobiasnl> I'm afraid this is going to break a lot of legacy boxes the coming weeks :)
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1326[11:56:19] <tobiasnl> 'ah this was apparently running jessie under the hood' ;-)
1327[11:56:53] <themill> if that makes people finally upgrade to a supported release, that's good. Should have done it 10 months ago.
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1329[11:58:27] <rookie> under the debian stretch xfce4 install iso i am trying to mount a ufs partition => "ufs: ufs_fill_super(): fragment size 8192 is too large " && "ufs: ufs_fill_super(): bad magic number"
1330[11:58:42] <KOLANICH> how to make dpkg-buildpackage download source code?
1331[11:59:09] <KOLANICH> In fact it is not source code, but prebuilt binary
1332[11:59:09] <fritzroy15> thanks for all the info guys, we're back up and running, and we're in the process of debating how to set a reminder on June 10 2020 lel
1333[11:59:22] <tobiasnl> themill: if I simply change debian:jessie to debian:stretch in the vendors dockerfile it breaks. I don't want to become the maintainer of the image. So I can't simply 'upgrade to a supported release' with a snip of the fingers.
1334[11:59:50] <themill> KOLANICH: it can do neither
1335[12:00:41] <KOLANICH> themill: I mean is there any target in debian/rules I should create to download source?
1336[12:01:34] <themill> KOLANICH: you could in any target for your own custom package. (Debian packages cannot do so at all)
1337[12:03:33] <KOLANICH> themill: I don't understand anything. dpkg-buildpackage asks me about source package. Is it meant to be placed there by a shell script or what?
1338[12:03:56] <KOLANICH> befor dpkg-buildpackage is called
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1340[12:04:15] <themill> The source package is the thing you're building.
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1343[12:05:29] <themill> You've not really shared any details with us so I can't quite see what your current set of misconceptions are to begin fixing them.
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1349[12:08:28] <n4dir> the debian wiki is full of how-to's about the subject though, so whichever details fit, something will be found there. step-by-step.
1350[12:08:44] <jim> themill, so after removing inkscape configs and the tooltip problems remain (just get a bordered white rectangle, nothing on it, so maybe white-on-white), is there something more system-wide I should adjust the configuration of?
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1353[12:11:16] <themill> As I said, my understanding is that it is a gtk theme setting.
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1359[12:14:07] <KOLANICH> themill: replaced-url
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1361[12:14:27] <themill> KOLANICH: 404.
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1374[12:28:03] <wyre> hi guys, where could I find docu about how to reinstall debian kernel from a live image using chroot?
1375[12:28:32] <wyre> well, first, is this possible? hehe
1376[12:28:46] <wyre> (I think it must be 😆)
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1378[12:30:06] <n4dir> !chroot
1379[12:30:06] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
1380[12:30:25] <EvilDMP> I'm getting a:
1381[12:30:25] <EvilDMP> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1382[12:30:31] <EvilDMP> In fact I see it redirects to replaced-url
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1384[12:30:44] <EvilDMP> which is where the 404 comes from.
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1386[12:31:03] <EvilDMP> Is this simply a temporary CDN issue?
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1393[12:35:28] <mocas> It's possible to monitor which files are looked up in some folder? I need to create a configuration file but I forgot the name.... :(
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1395[12:36:14] <Ticho_> with strace, perhaps?
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1397[12:36:32] <mocas> yah, strace, I will try.... thks
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1399[12:37:15] <Ede|Popede> EvilDMP: see topic
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1401[12:38:08] <EvilDMP> Ede|Popede: Not entirely sure what I am looking for - but I guess "jessie-updates and jessie-backports REMOVED 2019-03-24"?
1402[12:38:18] <Ede|Popede> bingo
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1405[12:40:26] <EvilDMP> Ede|Popede: Thanks, I am not very familiar with this, what should I search for to find out more about this?
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1408[12:41:39] <Ede|Popede> EvilDMP: that's the announcement replaced-url
1409[12:42:05] <EvilDMP> Thanks again Ede|Popede
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1415[12:50:55] <elitas> hello, what repository i should use instead jessie-backports ?
1416[12:50:56] <wyre> also... may I use chroot to my debian system from my ArchLinux (both in the same disk)?
1417[12:51:20] <wyre> or it is more convenient using the Debian install media?
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1419[12:52:57] <colo-work> wyre, you could use systemd-nspawn, it makes for a very convenient "distros-switcher" of sorts
1420[12:53:40] <wyre> colo-work: I do not get you
1421[12:53:45] <wyre> I don't know systemd-nspawn
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1424[12:54:46] <wyre> colo-work: are you talking about this one? replaced-url
1425[12:55:03] <colo-work> seems like that could be what I was talking about, yes
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1427[12:55:49] <indomitable> why is debhelper setting channel limits
1428[12:55:57] <indomitable> is it to prevent people filling up the channel with bots?
1429[12:56:10] <Ede|Popede> probably. joinfloods
1430[12:56:47] <wyre> colo-work: but it does seems to setup a new containers, not to repair existent systems ...
1431[12:57:04] <colo-work> I wasn't aware that that was your goal
1432[12:57:12] <colo-work> for a repair job, chroot is gonna do fine
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1436[13:00:38] <overbythere> elitas I think you're meant to move to stretch, or use archive
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1438[13:01:17] <wyre> colo-work: ty anyway, it is good info :-)
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1441[13:03:05] <elitas> yeah..., for my situation needed jessie-backports
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1445[13:04:09] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've build cmake and installed it under /usr/local/bin, but now when i enter cmake --version i get: /usr/bin/cmake: File or Directory not found
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1447[13:04:42] <rocketmagnet> i can run it with /usr/local/bin/cmake --version
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1449[13:04:53] <rocketmagnet> how to make it the global cmake version ?
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1451[13:05:19] <rocketmagnet> i had cmake installed before but i deinstalled it with apt-get remove cmake --purge
1452[13:05:27] <overbythere> elitas try updating sources to look at archive.debian.org instead of deb.debian etc
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1472[13:28:56] <elitas> thanks a lot for archive.debian.org
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1481[13:39:20] <colo-work> is there a way to determine if any packages on a given system were installed from backports without having aptitude installed?
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1484[13:44:33] <themill> colo-work: for the specific case of backports, "bpo" in the version string: dpkg -l | grep bpo (or something using dpkg-query if you want structured output)
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1492[13:46:31] <colo-work> themill, ah, thanks! I forgot about that output format :)
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1494[13:46:37] <colo-work> so dpkg -l | awk '{if($3 ~ /bpo/){print}}' it is then
1495[13:46:59] <KOLANICH> themill: so what's wrong with my approach to packaging?
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1500[13:49:20] <ksk> KOLANICH: reading `lastlog' I would guide you to read some dpkg-buildpackage manual, specificly on different types of packages, and how to define things/files that come with a package..
1501[13:50:09] <ksk> packaging is not a trivial package, so maybe read it again if you already did ;)
1502[13:50:22] <ksk> eeeh, s/package/task/
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1509[13:52:40] <themill> colo-work: «grep-status -FVersion bpo -sPackage» perhaps.
1510[13:53:03] <themill> KOLANICH: I don't really know what you're trying to do or how you've done it
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1574[14:31:40] <Old_Dog> Hello, Guest52600
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1578[14:32:20] <Old_Dog> new here?
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1585[14:36:19] <rant> likely having client trouble, they were identified to a 9 year old account so..
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1587[14:36:45] <Old_Dog> ah
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1593[14:42:05] <skyfighter> hi guys. Good morning for all ;D
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1596[14:43:02] <Old_Dog> hi skyfighter.
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1599[14:44:14] <skyfighter> hi Old_Dog, who are tou dear ?
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1603[14:45:01] <Old_Dog> I'm Old_Dog, from Northeast Texas, why?
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1634[15:07:24] <Old_Dog> I guess I misunderstood the question. I'm just a 'lurker' looking to possibly learn something as questions get answered here
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1659[15:32:04] <jelly> Old_Dog: we _like_ the channel to be quiet if there are no support questions; this enables asynchronous communication which is hard to do if there's lots of "hellos" in the log
1660[15:32:44] <jelly> there's #debian-offtopic for casual chat
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1697[15:53:33] <Copenhagen_Bram> Is there a way to compile every Debian package from source, like Gentoo or guix --no-substitutes?
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1707[15:58:45] <nkuttler> sure, it's a computer.. you can compile anything you want. why use debian though if you want to do that?
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1724[16:05:46] <stofflswelt> Hi! I'm just now trying to setup Debian 9 on a virtual machine on a Proxmox VE server. But Debian does not seem to accept my gateway. How can I add the next hop for the route when installing Debian?
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1748[16:19:08] <SerajewelKS> stofflswelt: in the installer you can just alt+f2 and issue whatever ip commands you need to get networking up
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1779[16:29:54] <SmashingX> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1781[16:30:04] <SmashingX> is that server having problems or what's the deal?
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1784[16:32:30] <nkuttler> !jessie
1785[16:32:30] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
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1787[16:33:03] <SmashingX> replaced-url
1788[16:33:12] <SmashingX> jessie-updates is not there!
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1790[16:33:20] <nkuttler> we know
1791[16:33:44] <nkuttler> time to upgrade to a supported os
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1795[16:34:05] <BCMM> SmashingX: jessie is dead
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1797[16:34:09] <SmashingX> what?!
1798[16:34:21] <nkuttler> read what the bot said..
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1800[16:34:30] <SmashingX> I read it
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1802[16:34:46] <SmashingX> So does that mean I have to remove this OS and install a new version?
1803[16:34:53] <nkuttler> you can just upgrade
1804[16:34:54] <BCMM> SmashingX: no, you can upgrade
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1806[16:34:58] <SmashingX> from LMDE?
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1809[16:35:13] <BCMM> SmashingX: hang on, are you using mint or debian?
1810[16:35:14] <SmashingX> I have LMDE 2
1811[16:35:16] <nkuttler> !lmde
1812[16:35:17] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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1814[16:35:34] <SmashingX> well, is based on debian
1815[16:35:39] <SmashingX> not on ubuntu
1816[16:35:40] <BCMM> !based on debian
1817[16:35:40] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1819[16:36:14] <BCMM> SmashingX: basically, if your Mint system is broken, you should ask Mint's IRC channel about it
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1821[16:36:33] <ws2k3> im trying to setup a ipsec vpn connection on debian, does anyone have an idea which client i could use? im reading something about racoon and openswan
1822[16:36:42] <BCMM> SmashingX: i could hazard a guess that you're using a very outdated version of Mint, but I don't really know enough about Mint to be sure about that
1823[16:37:03] <SmashingX> mhh is not that old
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1825[16:37:10] <SmashingX> I installed it about 2 years ago
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1829[16:38:32] <BCMM> SmashingX: well, lmde 3 has been out for over six months, and it doesn't cost anything
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1831[16:38:48] <BCMM> go and ask mint's irc channel or forum or whatever about how to upgrade it
1832[16:39:32] <SmashingX> it doesn't cost anything, but it takes me like 2 days to configure all the things that I have installed
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1834[16:40:27] <BCMM> SmashingX: seriously, go and ask a mint channel. i *think* they *used to* recommend clean install, but support upgrades now? not sure.
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1837[16:41:18] <SmashingX> I'm asking them, nobody answers. it's almost an empty channel. I know is not something you care about, but geez, this is frustrating.
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1844[16:42:41] <SmashingX> just a question, if that directory was removed from that mirror, does that mean that it will be also removed from all the other mirrors?
1845[16:42:47] <BCMM> SmashingX: are you in their official channel? it's not on freenode.
1846[16:43:04] <SmashingX> I'm in ##linuxmint
1847[16:43:19] <SmashingX> I see where that is
1848[16:43:19] <Ede|Popede> mirrors are mirrors. normally they should reflect the state of the original source.
1849[16:43:21] <SmashingX> ok, thank you
1850[16:43:23] <BCMM> SmashingX: ... you understand there is more than one IRC network, right?
1851[16:43:38] <BCMM> replaced-url
1852[16:43:39] <SmashingX> I do, I 've used IRC for 20 years
1853[16:43:53] <BCMM> SmashingX: right. mint's official channel is *not on freenode*
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1857[16:44:16] <SmashingX> ok anyway thank you
1858[16:44:20] <BCMM> this is even in the /topic of ##linuxmint
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1860[16:44:40] <BCMM> so if that channel is dead, try the proper channel
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1865[16:45:34] <SmashingX> is there any reason why they are not in this IRC network?
1866[16:45:44] <SmashingX> does anybody know?
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1870[16:47:51] <rant> SmashingX: someone in their channel might know. I'm a Debian and Freenode user, I neither know nor care.
1871[16:47:54] <BCMM> another question that it would be better to ask them, i'm afraid
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1876[16:50:37] <BCMM> i don't know what the deal with spotchat is. most of their website is just dead links, and looks like mint's channels are the only big channels on there
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1900[17:03:21] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul!!!! after debian 9 netinstalling there is: login, i entered it, then enter password and now it is: name@name:~$ with kursor and no enter to the system, how to enter?
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1904[17:04:18] <BCMM> yokowka: that's your shell prompt. you are logged in.
1905[17:04:20] <Ede|Popede> yokowka: welcome to the shell. afaik netinstall doesn't have X
1906[17:04:35] <Ede|Popede> you may want X and some desktop
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1909[17:04:43] <BCMM> yokowka: it sounds like you didn't choose any "tasks" during the installation, so you don't have a GUI
1910[17:04:49] <jhutchins_wk> l!console
1911[17:04:53] <jhutchins_wk> !console
1912[17:04:53] <dpkg> Console Guides: replaced-url
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1914[17:05:21] <BCMM> yokowka: did you see a screen like this during install? replaced-url
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1918[17:05:42] <yokowka> BCMM, Ede|Popede and how to make next step?
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1920[17:06:05] <BCMM> yokowka: you're trying to set this up as a desktop with a graphical environment, right?
1921[17:06:22] <Ede|Popede> yokowka: `tasksel` looks good
1922[17:06:30] <BCMM> yokowka: i'm guessing that, during install, you didn't make any selections at that screen. you can get that menu back by running `sudo tasksel`
1923[17:06:50] <BCMM> yokowka: or you can just `apt install` a task - do you know which desktop environment you want to use?
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1925[17:07:18] <yokowka> BCMM, yes trying with graphical environment.
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1927[17:07:47] <Ede|Popede> i hate it when google comes up with superuser, arbitrary blogs and what not, but no official docs
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1930[17:08:00] <yokowka> BCMM, i need xfce, lxde, cinnamon
1931[17:08:08] <BCMM> yokowka: ... all of them?
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1933[17:08:10] <yokowka> thripple of them
1934[17:08:22] <yokowka> but prefer xfce
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1937[17:08:59] <BCMM> yokowka: try `sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop task-lxde-desktop task-cinnamon-desktop`
1938[17:09:16] <BCMM> if you really want all of them installed, that is
1939[17:09:34] <Ede|Popede> yokowka if you want to compare desktops in advance replaced-url
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1947[17:12:18] <jhutchins_wk> Ede|Popede: What are you looking for today?
1948[17:12:38] <yokowka> BCMM, i've trying this command and : -bash: sudo: command not found...
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1952[17:13:02] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins_wk: peace and love, or what do you mean?
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1955[17:13:24] <jhutchins_wk> You grumbled about irrelevant results from google.
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1959[17:13:48] <Ede|Popede> jhutchins: ah, the google thing. yeah. was hoping for some "how to upgrade from netinst to DE" for yokowka
1960[17:13:52] <BCMM> yokowka: ah, so that probably means you set a separate password for root during install. are you logged in as root right now?
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1962[17:14:04] <BCMM> yokowka: if you're not sure, you can type `whoami`
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1966[17:14:17] <jhutchins_wk> yokowka: If you provided a root password during installation, sudo is not installed. Use su - to become root.
1967[17:14:42] <jhutchins_wk> !tasksel
1968[17:14:43] <dpkg> tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. replaced-url
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1971[17:15:22] <Ede|Popede> heh, so assumed the correct tool, though never used it
1972[17:15:26] <jhutchins_wk> Ede|Popede: A GUI desktop is simply a layer of software installed on top of a console environment.
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1978[17:16:21] <yokowka> BCMM, not i'm not root now
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1980[17:16:35] <BCMM> yokowka: type just `su`. not `sudo su`.
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1985[17:17:43] <BCMM> Ede|Popede: netinst is a method of installing, rather than a different distro. it "comes with" whatever you choose in the installer - it just downloads it from the internet during the installation, instead of getting (potentially outdated) packages from the DVD.
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1989[17:19:13] <zerocool> hi duds, using proxmox which is a debian based distro i connected server to an iscsi target, didn't go well, removed it using iscsiadm (-m session, -T <target> -u, -T <target> -o delete), but a file still exists in `/etc/iscsi/send_targets/<ip:port>/st_config`, do i need to manually delete this file to prevent reconnection?
1990[17:19:26] <yokowka> BCMM, yes now root, but after sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop task-lxde-desktop task-cinnamon-desktop again bash: sudo: command not found....
1991[17:19:44] <BCMM> yokowka: you don't need to type sudo if you're root
1992[17:20:10] <yokowka> just apt....?
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1994[17:20:19] <BCMM> yokowka: i suggest you just do `apt install task-xfce-desktop`, and then reboot. it'll be easier for you to sort out the rest of the stuff you want once you have a GUI.
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2002[17:22:39] <yokowka> BCMM, system says E: task-xfce-desktop not found....
2003[17:22:56] <BCMM> oh right. fresh install. do `apt update` first
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2005[17:23:40] <BCMM> yokowka: (it probably just hasn't downloaded a list of available packages yet)
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2007[17:24:16] <zerocool> nevermind i just did what makes sense, we'll see
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2010[17:24:42] <jez9999> My server's just told me it got a 404 for some index files, like: replaced-url
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2012[17:24:44] <yokowka> BCMM, yes it looks like that
2013[17:24:47] <jez9999> have these URLs changed?
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2015[17:25:26] <stofflswelt> SerajewelKS, I configured the /etc/network/interfaces file - how can I restart networking from the live DVD? There is no /etc/init.d/...
2016[17:25:33] <BCMM> !jessie
2017[17:25:34] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
2018[17:25:37] <BCMM> jez9999: ^
2019[17:25:52] <BCMM> jez9999: jessie is obsolete; upgrade to the new Debian Stable
2020[17:26:06] <jez9999> darn. hate doing an upgrade
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2024[17:27:00] <BCMM> jez9999: and if your server is internet-facing, work out whether you need to do anything about the ten months you've been running without security updates...
2025[17:27:17] <yokowka> BCMM, repository cdrom://[Debian GNU/linux .... not has file Release
2026[17:27:39] <BCMM> yokowka: huh, i thought you did a netinstall?
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2028[17:28:11] <yokowka> BCMM, i download netinstal.iso image and run from it...
2029[17:28:35] <BCMM> yokowka: did it sync any other repos? or did it just print errors about the cdrom?
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2035[17:30:24] <BCMM> jez9999: i guess there's this replaced-url
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2063[17:47:30] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: It moved to archive.debian.org quite recently.
2064[17:47:44] <jez9999> looks like my /boot partition is about 90MB
2065[17:47:47] <jez9999> is that smaller than it should be?
2066[17:48:08] <nkuttler> as long as your kernels fit there..
2067[17:48:09] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: How much of it is used?
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2069[17:48:19] <jez9999> 90%. it's causing problems with apt
2070[17:48:20] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: df -h
2071[17:48:49] <nkuttler> oh, 90, that's not much..
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2073[17:49:09] <jez9999> im guessing resizing it is pretty much impossible
2074[17:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: I usually recommend that you have one partition plus swap, unless you are experienced enough to know exactly where you will be using space.
2075[17:49:35] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: Easiest way is to do a file backup, re-partition, and restore.
2076[17:49:36] <nkuttler> jez9999: should still fit a few kernels though.. just remove kernels you don't use? or what else do you have in there? du -hs /boot/*
2077[17:49:54] <jez9999> nkuttler: there are some there i dont use, but apt-get is failing to remove them
2078[17:50:09] <nkuttler> jez9999: what's the error?
2079[17:50:20] <jez9999> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-7-amd64
2080[17:50:20] <jez9999> gzip: stdout: No space left on device
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2082[17:50:27] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: Maybe apt autoremove
2083[17:50:27] <jez9999> it needs more space to remove the image.....
2084[17:50:37] <nkuttler> jez9999: which command did you run?
2085[17:50:47] <jez9999> sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-amd64
2086[17:51:13] <nkuttler> jez9999: that looks like a meta package, remove specific kernel images
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2089[17:52:11] <roylaprattep> so we can remove it from our sources.list? no further update will be made to jessie backports?
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2099[17:58:12] <jez9999> jhutchins: that's a total reinstall from scratch though isnt it?
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2111[18:04:34] <jez9999> so I got this when tried to do a dist-upgrade: replaced-url
2112[18:04:50] <jez9999> i've freed up space in /boot now, how do i resolve the installation of linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64?
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2114[18:05:01] <greycat> start with dpkg --config -a
2115[18:05:12] <greycat> err, --configure
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2118[18:05:51] <jez9999> dpkg --configure linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64 ?
2119[18:05:52] <dpkg> no idea, jez9999
2120[18:06:44] <jez9999> "package linux-image-3.16.0-7-amd64 is already installed and configured"
2121[18:06:45] <jez9999> odd
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2123[18:07:26] <weedloser> How does one know when the next linux kernel will land in sid/unstable?
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2129[18:08:43] <jhutchins_wk> weedloser: One follows the kernel.org developer mailing list and the debian packaging/maintainer lists.
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2131[18:09:18] <Tenkawa> jez9999: whats the problem?
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2133[18:09:36] <jez9999> it had given an error for dist-upgrade about no space left on device, which i think was /boot
2134[18:09:44] <jez9999> but it seems to have installed and configured anyway
2135[18:09:46] <weedloser> jhutchins_wk, Forgot about the mailing list! Thanks! :D
2136[18:10:05] <xVim> Hey, do I understand it right that it is recommended putting scripts etc. inside $HOME/.local/bin?
2137[18:10:13] <Tenkawa> it mightve just not put all of the modules in
2138[18:10:27] <Tenkawa> do a find /lib/modules -type f -size 0
2139[18:10:38] <Tenkawa> any hits?
2140[18:10:54] <greycat> xVim: only if you're some hipster weirdo. Regular people use ~/bin/
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2142[18:11:23] <jez9999> Tenkawa: so what do i do to fix it?
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2145[18:11:46] <Tenkawa> jez9999: free up space
2146[18:11:47] <xVim> greycat: I don't care about being a hipster or not, but it seems logical to me that people don't want to clutter their $HOME directory
2147[18:11:51] <Tenkawa> first
2148[18:11:53] <jez9999> Tenkawa: i did, then what?
2149[18:11:57] <Tenkawa> then...
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2151[18:12:43] <Tenkawa> we need to figure out which kernel packages should be installed by dpkg's recknoning
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2153[18:12:51] <sam0t> CrazyLegs_: er du på telefonen?
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2155[18:13:35] <Tenkawa> dpkg -l | grep linux-image should be appropriete I think
2156[18:13:35] <dpkg> ii | grep linux-image should be appropriete I think 1.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
2157[18:13:44] <Tenkawa> oops
2158[18:13:47] <Tenkawa> heehee
2159[18:13:48] <xVim> What confuses me about $HOME/.local/bin is that pip installs executables there too (with --user flag), and I might want to keep my own executables separate from the Python ones
2160[18:14:04] <greycat> It's your home directory. Do whatever you want with it.
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2166[18:16:37] <jelly> xVim: if you want to separate python stuff you might as well use a virtualenv
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2174[18:18:32] <xVim> jelly: I usually do that only when I develop code. I can't use them for the final executable or can I?>
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2178[18:18:45] <jmcnaught> the default .profile (from /etc/skel) adds ~/bin to $PATH if it exists
2179[18:18:52] <jez9999> damn
2180[18:18:55] <jelly> sure you can.
2181[18:18:56] <jez9999> i think i've killed my server
2182[18:19:01] <jez9999> rebooted and it wont come back up :'-(
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2184[18:19:08] <xVim> Because I always would have to activate the virtualenv before running my executable
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2186[18:19:33] <jelly> yes, or you'd make a wrapper
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2188[18:20:06] <xVim> You mean like a script that activates the virtualenv automatically before executing my program?
2189[18:20:28] <xVim> Sounds smart, I should probably do that
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2191[18:20:48] <xVim> That way I don't get dependency issues
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2201[18:25:03] <jelly> that's me, _sounding_ smart
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2203[18:26:11] <temple48> jez9999: what's your current status?
2204[18:26:21] <xVim> $HOME/.local/bin is not automatically added to $PATH, but somehow scripts in it are executable from anywhere anyway because of systemd, right? (systemd-path user-binaries)
2205[18:26:35] <jez9999> sending a support ticket to my host
2206[18:26:48] <jez9999> this is why i hate upgrading debian
2207[18:26:51] <greycat> wut
2208[18:26:59] <jez9999> the fact that apt can get you into a non-boot situation is bad design
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2210[18:27:47] <km0201> always be prepared when upgrading any OS... Debian isn't alone.
2211[18:27:57] <Tenkawa> jez9999: what km0201 said
2212[18:27:58] <jez9999> well i have backups
2213[18:28:04] <jez9999> but it's still a PITA for it to be non-booting
2214[18:28:09] <greycat> Please tell me more of this alleged "systemd-path user-binaries" so that I may destroy it with fire.
2215[18:28:14] <Tenkawa> km0201 beat e to it
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2217[18:28:19] <Tenkawa> er me
2218[18:28:23] <km0201> lol
2219[18:28:23] <xVim> greycat: Run systemd-path user-binaries in your shell
2220[18:28:39] * greycat runs "man systemd-path" instead
2221[18:28:47] <nkuttler> jez9999: you have so many kernels, did you try them all?
2222[18:28:49] <xVim> good idea :)
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2224[18:29:18] <nkuttler> and why reboot if you get an error while building the initramfs
2225[18:29:19] <jez9999> nkuttler: i dont have terminal access to the machine
2226[18:29:29] <nkuttler> oh well, next time
2227[18:29:42] <xVim> The funny thing is that $HOME/.local/bin is not inside my $PATH, but it is inside systemds user-binaries path
2228[18:29:48] <km0201> I've personally never had an issue upgrading Linux (Ubuntu/Debian desktops, Fedora Desktop, Debian server)... but I've ran into train wrecks upgrading MS operating systems.... so I don't think for a second Linux is immune to upgrading issues.
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2231[18:29:59] <jez9999> i'm meant to have an "IPMI console" whetever that is but it doesnt work
2232[18:30:19] <nkuttler> !ipmi
2233[18:30:19] <dpkg> [ipmi] Intelligent Platform Management Interface. An interface to the Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) is available in the ipmitool package. An interface for servers to interact with IPMI-enabled devices is in the openipmi package.
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2235[18:30:21] <jez9999> km0201: i dont generally need to upgrade MS operating systems. not half as often as linux, anyway
2236[18:30:27] <greycat> I do not see the string "user-binaries" in systemd-path(1) or in file-hierarchy(7) at all.
2237[18:30:50] <xVim> greycat: Hm, I have, I don't know why.
2238[18:30:50] <greycat> Nor do I know why you wanted me to run this. Nor how you came up with this command. Nor why you think its output is meaningful.
2239[18:31:04] <temple48> jez9999: did it ever work, or it doesn't work right now after what has been done?
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2241[18:31:11] <jez9999> hasnt worked for ages
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2243[18:31:24] <km0201> jez9999, same here... but saying my experiences w/ MS operating systems is what makes me always be prepared when upgrading... in spite of the fact I don't ever recall a problem upgrading a Linux OS.
2244[18:31:51] <jez9999> what i mean is, MS dont release a new OS every 10 months and tell you to upgrade or lose support
2245[18:31:56] <jez9999> it's kind of annoying that Linux does
2246[18:32:00] <temple48> jez9999: sucks to be in this predicament, I hope your host can get it sorted out for you quickly
2247[18:32:01] <Tenkawa> microsoft os's almost never have an "upgrade" path though
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2249[18:32:14] <km0201> well, they usually do it about every 4-5yrs now apparently.
2250[18:32:23] <Tenkawa> its always a migratiom
2251[18:32:31] <jez9999> with windows 10 they probably wont release a new "OS" at all now
2252[18:32:35] <nkuttler> please let's stick to debian support questions in here
2253[18:32:36] <km0201> true... maybe upgrade was a bad way to put it.
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2255[18:33:00] <xVim> greycat: Sorry if I bothered you. To me it is just a bit confusing that systemd seems to have a separate path for user binaries. I came to it via replaced-url
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2257[18:34:23] <greycat> wooledg:~$ man file-hierarchy | grep user-bin
2258[18:34:24] <greycat> <standard input>:547: warning [p 8, 1.7i, div `3tbd4,0', 0.0i]: can't break line
2259[18:34:31] <greycat> and two other errors; no mention of this thing.
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2263[18:36:10] <jelly> jez9999: you upgrade windows systems at least once a month, and going from windows 10 1709 ro windows 10 1803 brings a similar amount of changes to the core OS components that going from Debian 9 to 10 will do
2264[18:36:13] <greycat> The Debian bug (#839155) linked from your random web page claims that this .local/bin thing is supposed to be in /etc/skel.
2265[18:36:45] <jelly> jez9999: and a debian release upgrade usually needs just one, max. two reboots
2266[18:36:50] <jez9999> jelly: yeah, but it's a "click and upgrade" not a "muck around on the command line with several commands and edit sources.list"
2267[18:36:51] <greycat> So, it's some policy being pushed on Debian by other people, that Debian has not been eagerly obeying.
2268[18:37:29] <xVim> OK, so then I should not use it probably
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2270[18:37:42] <greycat> Use whatever you want. Use BOTH for all we care.
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2272[18:38:01] <jelly> jez9999: that's what happens when you have a couple thousand paid engineers vs a thousand volunteers
2273[18:38:04] <greycat> Make 17 directories and put binaries in directory #(md5sum program % 17).
2274[18:38:42] <greycat> !pal python-pip
2275[18:38:43] * dpkg points at python-pip and laughs hysterically
2276[18:39:23] <jelly> nothing wrong with pip, just don't run "pip install foo" as root, or without a virtualenv!
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2278[18:41:18] <greycat> Apparently all this .local/bin systemd nonsense is being driven by "I ran pip and it broked because path".
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2280[18:41:51] <greycat> Funny how none of them seem to realize "hey wait, maybe pip is the one that's wrong, not every single operating system in the world".
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2282[18:42:58] <jelly> debian softens some of the dumbest upstream choices
2283[18:43:12] <hatchetjack> are there any wheezy repositories around anymore?
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2287[18:43:51] <nkuttler> !tell hatchetjack about archive
2288[18:43:58] <jelly> hatchetjack: old releases are moved to archive.debian.org if that's what you're asking
2289[18:44:16] <xVim> I have a mess with programs install everywhere, inside /opt, /usr/local/bin, /$HOME/bin, /$HOME/.local/bin and more. Now I am cleaning up and want to do it right, that is why I was asking
2290[18:44:27] <jelly> !elts
2291[18:44:28] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
2292[18:44:39] <jelly> hatchetjack: or ^ if you asked something else
2293[18:45:08] <hatchetjack> jelly: ah I forgot about archive.debian.org
2294[18:45:11] <hatchetjack> thanks for reminding me
2295[18:45:11] <xVim> And I got my answer, just use any directories inside $HOME that I want for user-specific stuff, so I am fine. I just forget about this .local/bin stuff
2296[18:45:20] <jelly> if you pay freexian they will gladly support your subset of wheezy packages
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2298[18:46:29] <hatchetjack> does archive.debian.org have mips packages?
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2300[18:46:56] <hatchetjack> nevermind I found it
2301[18:46:57] <hatchetjack> thanks guys
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2307[18:50:03] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: You may be coming across some of the pre-linux legacy standards, when *nix systems were primarily multi-user, and allowed users to install software for their own use without affecting user-wide system components.
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2309[18:50:24] <jez9999> jhutchins_wk: huh?
2310[18:50:50] <xVim> I think he meant me
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2312[18:51:21] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: Installing your software in $HOME rather than /usr/local/bin
2313[18:51:41] <jez9999> i dont understand what you're referring to
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2315[18:52:10] <jhutchins_wk> jez9999: Actually, I'm mixing up your thread vs xVim
2316[18:52:32] <jelly> !tea jhutchins_wk
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2318[18:53:03] <xVim> jhutchins_wk: Yes, I understand that somme software should be installed to /usr/local/bin so that multiple user can access it
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2324[18:54:55] <xVim> It is just a bit complicated because there are so many different directories where software can be installed at. That can be a bit confusing. But I think I understood enough of it to make better decision for the next programs I install
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2332[18:56:38] <greycat> It was actually really simple until the systemd/XDG wankers got the idea that they could push their agenda down people's throats. If you configured something as root, it went into /usr/local/bin. If you configured it as a user, you can't write there, so you did whatever you want, and that was usually --prefix=$HOME which put the executables in ~/bin.
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2335[18:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> We have a lot of legacy systems where the code was "forklifted" from Solaris systems where it was pretty much anything goes. Shared binaries running off of NFS, fun things like that.
2336[18:58:35] <greycat> Yes, perfectly normal.
2337[18:58:38] <e> ln -s . .local # everything is fixed
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2340[18:59:50] <greycat> You didn't want to install all versions of gcc on every workstation, so you just install them on the NFS server in a directory that gets mounted on all the Solaris7 or HP-UX10 systems.
2341[19:00:38] <jelly> !fix e
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2344[19:01:03] <greycat> It's the polar opposite of /usr/local. /usr/local is local to this one machine. The shared directory, whatever you call it, is mounted onto *all* machines of a specific platform.
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2389[19:28:13] <|aaron> Hey all, I'm confused about the recent move of some jessie packages from the main mirrors to archive. It looks like jessie-updates is just gone, am I correct in assuming that repo is no longer needed?
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2393[19:29:45] <|aaron> Since jessie is LTS the only package updates will be on security.debian.org right?
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2411[19:43:54] <jelly> |aaron: right
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2413[19:44:14] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2414[19:44:14] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
2415[19:44:29] <jelly> okay, that needs some updating
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2427[19:54:48] <|aaron> jelly: ty!
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2429[19:55:53] <DoomPatrol> stupid question, (really sorry for asking but ... $work ...)
2430[19:56:04] <DoomPatrol> have the wheezy repo's been turned down/off?
2431[19:56:27] <Tenkawa> thats up to each site
2432[19:56:46] <DoomPatrol> oic, hrm
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2439[19:57:39] <jelly> dpkg, tell DoomPatrol about archive
2440[19:57:44] <Tenkawa> i dont know what the "official" stance is but they are individual mirror sites after all
2441[19:58:06] <DoomPatrol> jelly: awesome ty vm
2442[19:58:07] <Tenkawa> thats a better answer
2443[19:58:19] <jelly> Tenkawa: official mirrors use a script that does rsync --delete
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2445[19:58:50] <Tenkawa> jelly: yeah pending they can be reached....
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2448[19:59:19] <jelly> if an upstream mirror can't be reached your mirror gets outdated quickly
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2450[19:59:26] <Tenkawa> yep
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2453[19:59:42] <jelly> and gets thrown out of the list
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2456[20:00:07] <jelly> and apt complains loudly after it's 14+ days old
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2459[20:00:22] <jelly> (not sure if apt from wheezy does)
2460[20:00:34] <Tenkawa> good
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2462[20:01:02] <Tenkawa> I wouldnt know.. I'm so picky i dont think my repo gets 4 days out of date
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2481[20:10:58] <|aaron> anyone here familiar with the mirror ftpsync script? im trying to figure out how to pull down just specific releases
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2503[20:22:13] <jcb2016> can i boot a live usb of debian that is missing firmware. find the tarball with the firmware on another usb extract the tarball/firmware and modprobe it so i can get the firmware working? is this possible?
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2505[20:22:31] <jcb2016> im looking at replaced-url
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2509[20:23:19] <ksk> yeah that should work somehow. gettin the unofficial installer with all nonfree firmware included saves you from trying it though..
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2511[20:24:50] <Tenkawa> you can also stage a usb installer with firmware I thought
2512[20:25:19] <jcb2016> don't want the installer i want to boot a live dvd/usb that wifi isn't working extract the missing firmware to the computer and mobdprobe it to get wifi working. can i do that?
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2514[20:26:10] <Tenkawa> sure
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2516[20:26:23] <Tenkawa> thats what live usbs are for
2517[20:26:38] <Tenkawa> but you need to stage it if its a non-free driver
2518[20:26:58] <jcb2016> ok cool. oh i have another question. if i boot to a live usb with debian installed can i browse the usb drive while booted to it?
2519[20:27:02] <Tenkawa> put the package on the usb stick
2520[20:27:50] <|aaron> replaced-url
2521[20:28:38] <Tenkawa> anyone feel free to correct me here but basicly you'd be running a self contained usb based installed
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2523[20:29:33] <jcb2016> Tenkawa, replaced-url
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2525[20:30:18] <Tenkawa> yes you'd need to take that + somthing like rufus and write it to usb
2526[20:30:18] <jcb2016> the firmware should be included on the usb when booted. just want to know can i browse the usb when its booted up so i can extract the firmware.
2527[20:30:25] <Tenkawa> add it to the usb
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2530[20:31:25] <Tenkawa> yes
2531[20:31:38] <Tenkawa> if you use a tool like rufus
2532[20:31:44] <Tenkawa> you can write to it
2533[20:31:51] <jcb2016> tekk, ok so after i burn with rufus add the firmware on it then boot then i should be able to browse?
2534[20:32:00] <jcb2016> Tenkawa*
2535[20:32:41] <Tenkawa> after you boot it wont know the difference.. its harder in windows
2536[20:32:42] <jcb2016> how do i brose the usb Tenkawa when its booted? is it a /dev/loop0 or do i have to remount or something?
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2538[20:33:10] <Tenkawa> you "will" be in it
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2540[20:33:28] <jcb2016> ok
2541[20:33:49] <Tenkawa> thats why its live and you have to stage it before you boot to it
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2544[20:34:33] <jcb2016> how do you stage?
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2546[20:35:06] <Tenkawa> add the firmware to /lib/firmware
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2548[20:36:11] <jcb2016> so as root go to /lib/firmware and untar it there?
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2550[20:36:39] <Tenkawa> tar -tvf first and check its structure
2551[20:37:10] <Tenkawa> it might already have the whole structure or it might even only be source files
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2553[20:37:57] <jcb2016> i already know wwhat firmwware to get iwlwifi
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2555[20:38:26] <Tenkawa> but what file are you looking at though?
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2557[20:39:31] <jcb2016> what do you mean? when i ran the installer once it said i was missing iwlwifi something
2558[20:39:43] <Tenkawa> the best way is to grab the .deb and install it with dpkg
2559[20:39:48] <Tenkawa> right
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2561[20:40:01] <Tenkawa> so you need to get that package
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2563[20:40:20] <Tenkawa> thats not a "file"
2564[20:40:20] <jcb2016> there is replaced-url
2565[20:40:32] <jelly> jcb2016: presumably you don't have to browse anything other than /lib/firmware after live is booted, because the firmware has to be there to work at all
2566[20:41:09] <jcb2016> ok
2567[20:41:15] <jelly> is your goal to boot liveusb, or to install things, or what?
2568[20:41:58] <jcb2016> jelly, i just want to boot the liveusb and have internet and browse and install etc.. just to do it i want to try debian on real hardware and not just virtualbox. virtualbox got me handy capped
2569[20:42:06] <jcb2016> thanks Tenkawa
2570[20:43:28] <jelly> then go and use that unofficial live image with firmware
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2573[20:45:58] <jcb2016> jelly, last time i did that i booted the nonfree liveusb and nothing happend. i ran the installer and it worked looking for my firmware and connecting to wifi but it wanted to install debian. i don't want to install debian i just want to boot liveusb get wifi working and play around
2574[20:46:25] <jcb2016> i will intsall debian when i get a real computer in the near future
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2578[20:47:23] <jelly> if the image for debian 9 did not work, and you're sure you've written it to usb correctly, try a live image for testing then
2579[20:47:32] <jcb2016> ok
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2582[20:47:46] <jelly> rufus and unetbootin make a mess out of debian's images
2583[20:48:14] <jelly> you want to write the thing directly to whole-usb-stick-device
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2587[20:48:57] <jcb2016> im looking at replaced-url
2588[20:49:43] <jelly> pick a weekly live and hope it works :-)
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2593[20:51:14] <jcb2016> ok thanks jelly
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2595[20:53:17] <jelly> !debian-next
2596[20:53:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2597[20:53:31] <jelly> in case it works, you can ask further questions there
2598[20:54:05] <jcb2016> ok
2599[20:54:11] <jelly> or ask them here anyway, buster is in freeze and we might as well start answering uestions about it in the main channel
2600[20:54:33] <jcb2016> jelly, if you don't like rufus or unetbootin what should i use in windows to burn the iso to usb?
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2602[20:54:42] <greycat> Yeah, it's been a general trend over the last few years that after a freeze, next-release questions start becoming gradually more accepted in #debian.
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2604[20:55:10] <greycat> Perhaps partly or mostly because people in #debian actually start *using* next-release around then.
2605[20:55:34] <jelly> !win32diskimager
2606[20:55:34] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
2607[20:55:39] <jelly> jcb2016: that thing I think
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2609[20:56:11] <jcb2016> thanks
2610[20:56:24] <jelly> I have no idea if it still works on win10
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2615[20:58:19] <jcb2016> it works i used it the other day
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2617[20:59:12] <Tenkawa> jelly: rufus has never went wrong for me once
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2619[21:01:17] <jhutchins_wk> The fact that something has not broken for one person is not evidence of it's reliability.
2620[21:01:36] <Tenkawa> or the opposite
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2622[21:02:12] <Tenkawa> wheres the data?
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2627[21:04:13] <jhutchins_wk> Tenkawa: It's not really reversible, the fact that it does break in some circumstances and/or for some people is evidence of unreliability. Zero breakage in wide use indicates reliability.
2628[21:04:47] <jhutchins_wk> Tenkawa: Data regarding rufus is annectdotal among Debian support people.
2629[21:05:23] <jhutchins_wk> Tenkawa: We consistently see good results with win32diskimager so that's what we recommend.
2630[21:06:11] <jhutchins_wk> Tenkawa: There are certain common errors people get with unetbootin so we don't recommend that. (Personally, I haven't ruled out user error on that, but if it's easy to make mistakes maybe it's a poor tool.)
2631[21:06:12] <Tenkawa> and that in no way had anything to do with what I said.
2632[21:06:21] <Tenkawa> I'm done speaking
2633[21:06:33] <jcb2016> thanks jelly Tenkawa
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2658[21:24:52] <aarwine> Does anyone know anything about a jessie-updates repo outage?
2659[21:24:58] <aarwine> s/outage/issue/
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2662[21:25:33] <greycat> It no longer exists.
2663[21:25:33] <jelly> !jessie-updates
2664[21:25:34] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. replaced-url
2665[21:26:05] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2666[21:26:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
2667[21:26:12] <jelly> aarwine: just comment it out
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2669[21:26:59] <jelly> this could have been done better by ftp people, but... eh
2670[21:28:27] <aarwine> are the updates merged into mainline jessie repo? where can I read more for future?
2671[21:28:36] <aarwine> greycat: jelly: thanks :)
2672[21:28:58] <greycat> 16:25 dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases.
2673[21:29:33] <aarwine> ok, that makes sense
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2706[21:56:56] <aidansw> I was wondering, can I install a .deb to a removable drive?
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2709[21:57:43] <greycat> does your removable drive have an installation of Debian on it?
2710[21:58:12] <aidansw> haha
2711[21:58:24] <greycat> so that's a "no"?
2712[21:58:34] <aidansw> yeah, I see your point
2713[21:58:49] <greycat> if it's just a disk and not a Debian then you can't "install" a Debian package on it, but you could extract the files out of one
2714[21:59:12] <greycat> using dpkg -x, for example
2715[21:59:23] <aidansw> Thanks I will have to see
2716[21:59:43] <aidansw> As I am running a pc with 16 gb internal storage
2717[21:59:54] <aidansw> but 32gb microsd
2718[22:00:03] <jelly> ouch
2719[22:00:25] <aidansw> yeah, this is what I get for fixing a chromebook
2720[22:00:32] <aidansw> instead of just buying a laptop
2721[22:01:01] <jelly> hopefully there's a sane filesystem type made just for flash, on that, not something like ext4
2722[22:01:54] <jelly> because putting ext4 on cheap tiny flash and exercising it can make the flash die quickly
2723[22:02:19] <aidansw> I'll keep that in mind
2724[22:02:58] <aidansw> are you suggesting ntfs instead?
2725[22:03:01] <tonyk> is there any filesystem good for flash?
2726[22:03:18] <jelly> I'm suggesting investigating carefully
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2733[22:04:28] <jelly> tonyk: yes but I don't remember which ones are both stable and still supported upstream and also available in debian
2734[22:04:50] <jelly> eg. I'm pretty sure replaced-url
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2736[22:05:03] <aidansw> xFAT seems to be pretty good
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2738[22:05:17] <aidansw> exFAT*
2739[22:05:24] <tonyk> whats that samsung one?
2740[22:05:25] <aidansw> as that is what Android uses for sd cards
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2742[22:05:32] <jelly> *fat does not have unix permissions and ownerships
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2744[22:05:56] <aidansw> oh
2745[22:06:05] <jelly> (or symlinks, or probably hardlinks)
2746[22:06:21] <tonyk> F2FS, it was supposed to be for the linux kernel
2747[22:06:29] <jelly> right
2748[22:06:41] <aidansw> I don't see the issue with ext4, it is used for mobile device sd cards
2749[22:06:51] <aidansw> which I'd presume would be throughly researched
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2753[22:07:50] <jelly> using it for a couple hundred large media files and a dozen config files is somewhat differnet from running a linux distro
2754[22:08:12] <aidansw> I know
2755[22:08:18] <aidansw> I am not running the distro on it
2756[22:08:34] <aidansw> I am running the distro on crouton on top of chromeos
2757[22:08:43] <aidansw> the sd is just for files
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2782[22:22:01] <aidansw> I just encourted a bizarre issue, although it may be with xfce4
2783[22:22:17] <aidansw> but I can't type and move mouse at the same time..
2784[22:22:22] <k-man> can we talk about oldstable here?
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2786[22:23:14] <SerajewelKS> k-man: yeah. though not many people run it anymore so you may not get much response.
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2788[22:23:33] <jelly> SerajewelKS: not many people _talk_ about it.
2789[22:24:18] <jelly> grep Debian.8 /etc/ansible/hosts|wc -l ... 65
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2791[22:24:59] <jelly> but let me make a guess
2792[22:25:02] <jelly> !jessie-updates
2793[22:25:03] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. replaced-url
2794[22:25:07] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
2795[22:25:07] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
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2803[22:28:25] <justinasvd> Morning, guys.
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2805[22:29:03] <justinasvd> I am running Gnome on current Debian testing. I am surprised that my Gnome runs on X11. I would have expected it to run on Wayland.
2806[22:29:20] <justinasvd> What's the problem?
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2808[22:30:07] <BCMM> justinasvd: does the default perhaps depend on the graphics driver used?
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2810[22:30:18] <tonyk> there should be an option when logging in to run it on wayland
2811[22:30:35] <justinasvd> I am using Intel drivers. Should be good in that regard.
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2813[22:31:03] <justinasvd> The newest Gnome on Buster no longer has Wayland option. Default is Wayland.
2814[22:31:15] <tonyk> oh then idk
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2816[22:31:20] <justinasvd> You have to specifically choose X11 there.
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2821[22:35:59] <k-man> thanks SerajewelKS
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2824[22:36:40] <k-man> after old-stable repositories were moved to archive.debian.org, i updated my sources.list but I get this now: E: Release file for replaced-url
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2826[22:37:54] <jelly> !valid-until
2827[22:37:54] <dpkg> rumour has it, valid-until is apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false ...
2828[22:38:18] <jelly> k-man: ^ if you really need to keep that repo enabled
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2854[22:58:32] <k-man> thanks jelly
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2875[23:07:18] <aidansw> I have an issue with xinput settings that arises everytime I boot, and I can't change the defaults. Would my best option just write a script to run on boot?
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2892[23:18:05] <jcb2016> jelly, i booted up with buster and wifi worked automatically. why does a liveusb of buster have wifi work out of the box and stretch dosen't?
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2894[23:19:12] <jelly> jcb2016: "why are there bugs in software?"
2895[23:19:29] <shibboleth> and?
2896[23:19:36] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2897[23:19:38] <shibboleth> stretch is older?
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2899[23:19:40] <jcb2016> jelly, don't know.. i just know software has bugs and the devs need to fix them.
2900[23:19:42] <shibboleth> older kernel?
2901[23:19:52] <shibboleth> device support?
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2903[23:20:04] <shibboleth> "causality"?
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2905[23:21:47] <jcb2016> i need to read up on the diff from stable and testing. testing seems to have what i need
2906[23:23:18] <jcb2016> shibboleth, is that it? stretch is older. i thought older was newer since it is stable
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2912[23:29:11] <jcb2016> well im excited :D
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2915[23:31:42] <jcb2016> found a good guide on stable/testing replaced-url
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2932[23:45:25] <shibboleth> "this is why we can't have nice things"
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2940[23:49:46] <jcb2016> shibboleth, how come?
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2947[23:57:11] <lilalaune> hi. i'm trying to unlock an encrypted partition the following command udisksctl unlock -b /dev/sda1 ..it asks me for a passphrase, which i enter. then i get this error message: No key available with this passphrase ..i'm sure the password is correct. (it should be the same i use when booting from that drive, right?)
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