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• 7[00:05:14] <tonyt> can someone take a look at this screen shot and tell me what i need to install to fix it? replaced-url
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• 9[00:06:14] <bin_bash> no, sorry. cant access onedriver
• 10[00:06:44] <tonyt> k
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• 12[00:06:48] <tonyt> ill move it
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• 16[00:09:24] <tonyt> replaced-url
• 17[00:09:30] <tonyt> there is the screen shot
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• 29[00:13:40] <happygilmoregent> what is the difference between apt update/upgrade and apt-get update/upgrade
• 30[00:15:11] <mel00010> As far as I know, apt update/upgrade has a progress bar, and apt-get update/upgrade
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• 32[00:15:43] <mel00010> Apt should just be a drop in replacement for apt-get on most systems
• 33[00:15:44] <hanshenrik> happygilmoregent, more like, what's the difference between `apt` and `apt-get` , apt-get is supposed to be more backwards-compatible, more parsable output, stabler interface, something like that, i think
• 34[00:16:05] <happygilmoregent> ok so it's the same?
• 35[00:16:26] <mel00010> Apt-get should also be installed on every debian system, while apt may not be installed
• 36[00:16:35] <mel00010> Yeah, pretty much
• 37[00:16:43] <hanshenrik> if you try to use apt with piping, you get this on stderr: WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
• 38[00:16:51] <mel00010> Yeah
• 39[00:17:00] <mel00010> If you are writing any kind of script
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• 41[00:17:05] <mel00010> use apt-get
• 42[00:17:20] <mel00010> apt is just a little nicer from a usage standpoint
• 43[00:17:28] <happygilmoregent> ok
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• 53[00:21:22] <bin_bash> tonyt: hmm not sure. havent run into that. hopefully someoen else may know
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• 102[00:44:09] <Plushfish> Hi
• 103[00:45:00] <Plushfish> Is it wise to use stretch in a production environment? And is there a release date yet? (I know it's released when it's done, I'm just asking for your feelings or so what you'd except)
• 104[00:45:56] <mtn> Plushfish: no, and no. ;)
• 105[00:45:57] <missmbob> Plushfish: no
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• 107[00:46:47] <Plushfish> Okay, thanks. I think Stretch (still testing) doesn't get security updates yet? Only when it's released?
• 108[00:47:07] <missmbob> Plushfish: correct. just prior to being released it'll start. long time to go
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• 110[00:47:33] <Plushfish> Is it a good idea to use Jessie with backported packages (like the kernel), or won't I get security updates then?
• 111[00:47:39] <Plushfish> for the backported packages
• 112[00:47:48] <Epakai> tonyt: sounds like you would need to set up multiarch to have any 32-bit compatibility. is that the nvidia driver installer? seems like debian's nvidia packages would handle that
• 113[00:48:12] <missmbob> Plushfish: jessie-backports dont have security per se, but the maintainers do their best. it's not run by the security team
• 114[00:48:15] <Plushfish> missmbob: Yes, I though so, long time to go. What do you think when it'll be released? Just your thoughts
• 115[00:48:43] <missmbob> Plushfish: late august is my random guess. replaced-url
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• 117[00:49:16] <Plushfish> Ah
• 118[00:49:23] <Plushfish> 192 bugs left if I'm right?
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• 120[00:49:44] <missmbob> right now, yeah
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• 123[00:50:09] <Plushfish> Ah, I see. As I can see on the graph you do a great job :)
• 124[00:50:48] <Plushfish> Thanks for giving me all that information, missmbob
• 125[00:50:55] <missmbob> *i* dont do anything :P you're welcome
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• 128[00:51:32] <Plushfish> missmbob: Yeah, I meant everyone in Debian, even the users who do bug reports
• 129[00:51:32] <Plushfish> :P
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• 134[00:53:07] <hanshenrik> Plushfish, if you're looking for something in between jessie and stretch with security updates, maybe you wanna check out Ubuntu Server
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• 142[00:56:16] <expert975> I can't get applications to output sound on my sound card under Debian 9. Can I get some help?
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• 144[00:56:55] <missmbob> sudo apt install pavucontrol and run it. assuming the user is part of audio group.
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• 148[00:57:24] <Plushfish> hanshenrik: Nah, I don't like Ubuntu, but thanks :)
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• 156[01:00:42] <expert975> How do I check if the user is part of the sound group?
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• 159[01:01:08] <missmbob> grep audio /etc/group
• 160[01:02:25] <dannyLopez> I miss the X
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• 166[01:04:56] <expert975> I've told firefox to output to my sound card. Seems fine but there's no sound
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• 168[01:05:51] <expert975> I can use HDMI normally, but not the sound card
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• 170[01:05:58] <missmbob> that's why you play with pavucontrol levels and output devices.
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• 172[01:06:25] <missmbob> in configuration tab you can pick hdmi, or analog stereo, etc
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• 178[01:10:14] <expert975> I've set to analog and tryed all options... what can I do?
• 179[01:10:39] <expert975> Note that I'm able to enable my microphone using alsamixer
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• 182[01:11:06] <expert975> But I can only hear the mic, not any app
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• 184[01:11:23] <missmbob> if you can figure it out with pavucontrol i'm not sure what else to look at
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• 187[01:11:59] <expert975> All the device do is pop when I change settings
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• 195[01:15:25] <expert975> I can even hear the guitar, but if I set any application to output to it, it goes silent
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• 256[01:39:38] <ZeeZ> sudo shutdown -r now
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• 262[01:42:19] <anotherus3r> Hi should default-jdk be installed by default?
• 263[01:42:24] <anotherus3r> or not?
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• 266[01:43:27] <anotherus3r> I was asking if default-jdk should be installed by default during debian install?
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• 281[01:50:57] <expert975> What does "apt install tor" installs exactly?
• 282[01:51:05] <expert975> Does it install tor browser?
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• 287[01:54:41] <brenlae> anybody have trouble installed spotify on debian stretch?
• 288[01:54:49] <brenlae> it asks for libraires that are older than the ones i have
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• 290[01:55:00] <brenlae> was fine on jessie
• 291[01:55:42] <expert975> I'll do it right now
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• 298[02:00:06] <brenlae> hmmm
• 299[02:00:11] <brenlae> i guess i'll just wait for a fix
• 300[02:00:14] <brenlae> bye all! :)
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• 308[02:04:33] <missmbob> expert975: just the daemon to run a tor node. if you want the browser you want torbrowser-launcher
• 309[02:04:43] <missmbob> ,i torbrowser-launcher
• 310[02:04:44] <judd> Package torbrowser-launcher (contrib/python, optional) in jessie/amd64: helps download, update and run the Tor Browser Bundle. Version: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3; Size: 206.2k; Installed: 429k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 311[02:05:31] <expert975> missmbob: Thanks!
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• 313[02:06:04] <expert975> How can I add an application to Gnome's application list?
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• 346[02:30:29] <wondiws> ok, I do "ip addr show" and I see that the name of my interface is now the mac address? Since when is this?
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• 378[02:55:32] <cerebro> anyone know what the 'ulimit' equiv. is for wheezy/squeeze? Doesn't seem like 'ulimit' is available anymore?
• 379[02:56:20] <bazhang> ,v ulimit
• 380[02:56:21] <judd> No package named 'ulimit' was found in amd64.
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• 386[02:56:50] <cerebro> I need to increase the 'nofiles' (open files) value for a user, which I added a entry to pam.d for + added limits.so to session* conf files
• 387[02:57:17] <cerebro> but no dice
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• 389[02:58:28] <missmbob> ...ulimit. it's not a package. it's a kernel thing
• 390[02:58:49] <somiaj> cerebro: user or for a process? With a systemd service I ended up having to increase nofiles inside the unit file and not using limits.conf file
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• 393[02:59:15] <somiaj> but since systemd is controling user slices, you may have to configure that with systemd.
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• 398[03:01:38] <johnkeates> is it possible to change systemd to not mess with ulimit?
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• 408[03:05:10] <cerebro> wheezy shouldn't be using systemd, though?
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• 410[03:06:18] <somiaj> cerebro: oh this is on wheezy, yea by default wheezy won't be using systemd. Was talking about an issue I had on jessie.
• 411[03:06:35] <cerebro> kk, thx. This was for a user
• 412[03:07:22] <somiaj> surprised limits.conf didn't work, did you restart afterwards? I'm not that familar with this, just know I had the above issue in jessie
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• 414[03:07:51] <cerebro> No, I had read that a reboot wasn't necessary - but will do this just to rule it out
• 415[03:08:04] <cerebro> 'ulimit' as root returns nothing btw
• 416[03:08:18] <cerebro> (as in it doesn't exist) < this seems odd
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• 420[03:09:44] <madlord> Hello guys, does anyone experiencing an increasing slow over time (~2 days, 4h of uptime) in debian stretch, with gnome as VM?
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• 422[03:10:00] <cerebro> I guess if limits.so wasn initially in
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• 424[03:10:25] <cerebro> PAM conf, then maybe that's why ulimit isn't available, so possibly a reboot will help with that
• 425[03:10:32] <madlord> to switch between desktops is getting very slow over time
• 426[03:10:34] <aZz7eCh> is there some reason in particular i cant LUKS partition micro sd cards ?
• 427[03:10:39] <madlord> *gnome as WM :)
• 428[03:11:05] <aZz7eCh> i have two debian machines here... on either one ... if i use disks and format/luks ... disks closes/crashes and i end up with a non accessable partition that doesn't mount
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• 451[03:22:44] <aZz7eCh> ended up using gdisk command line to x z it .. its now letting me format + luks
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• 469[03:36:29] <cerebro> reboot hasn't help the ulimit issue - any other theories?
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• 471[03:38:28] <gry> I don't remember what the issue was
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• 478[03:45:15] <fe2> hello. i restarted my server and now it's stuck on a start job is running for file system check. it's been a few minutes
• 479[03:45:28] <johnkeates> maybe your disk is broken
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• 481[03:45:46] <Guest55895> So I had keypair auth, password disabled and root pass login disabled
• 482[03:45:51] <Guest55895> Someone still managed to hack into my VPS
• 483[03:45:53] <Guest55895> I don't understand
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• 485[03:46:28] <missmbob> that's only security 101. there's a million ways in
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• 496[03:49:50] <expert975> What's security 102?
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• 500[03:51:19] <missmbob> not using crap that you know gets hacked constantly. wordpress. webmin. 103 use 2 factor auth (yes, even for key auth ssh)
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• 503[03:51:52] <missmbob> dont open up phpmyadmin to the outside
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• 505[03:52:03] <missmbob> seriously...a million things
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• 507[03:52:23] <expert975> You can go on xD
• 508[03:52:26] <Guest55895> Absolutely infuriating though
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• 514[03:54:35] <expert975> missmbob: I have fun learning about security. Wanna try hacking me?
• 515[03:56:00] <missmbob> expert975: no. right now i wanna watch my shows :P
• 516[03:56:10] <Guest55895> Hacking is a show
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• 547[04:13:43] <cerebro> noopen files wasn't being increased despite limits.so being added to PAM and a custom entry added to a security.d/limits.d file
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• 549[04:14:15] <cerebro> user wants a PID to be able to open +4096 files, which is the current limit (mysql related)
• 550[04:14:25] <cerebro> (For a user)
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• 552[04:14:40] <cerebro> running wheezy
• 553[04:17:11] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I am trying to find out why my sound system (hardware and software) seems to be ignoring my subwoofer. I am on jessie, and I think Phonon is my backend. I have gone through every setting on alsamixer to make the subwoofer do anything at all. Do I need a new backend, or just give up hope my sound system will ever sound good again?
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• 556[04:17:50] <Lady_Aleena> Right now I am playing a song I should be feeling on the floor, but nothing is coming out of the subwoofer.
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• 565[04:20:25] <Lady_Aleena> If I remember correctly, on my old system, I had gstreamer. I looked gstreamer up in debian packages website, and there isn't a program just named gstreamer. I don't know what I need to install to see if that one is better than Phonon.
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• 568[04:21:35] <Lady_Aleena> Phonon VLC more specifically.
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• 572[04:23:14] <expert975> Lady_Aleena: I'm also having problems with an sound output device. I'm running stretch
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• 575[04:23:33] <expert975> Lady_Aleena: Please let me know if you find out
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• 579[04:26:07] <Lady_Aleena> expert975, in alsamixer, do you have an option called tone?
• 580[04:26:44] <expert975> Lady_Aleena: I guess not
• 581[04:27:05] <Lady_Aleena> expert975, did you select your sound card with f6?
• 582[04:27:13] <expert975> Lady_Aleena: Yes
• 583[04:27:42] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I turned it on then off again. That wasn't it. Sorry for giving false hope.
• 584[04:28:58] <expert975> Lady_Aleena: My sound pops when I switch to it. I can get any application to output sound to it, but I can hear my microphone and guitar
• 585[04:29:20] <expert975> *I can't get any application...
• 586[04:29:31] <LiuYan> once upon a time in Fedora, i have subwoofer channel been muted, unmute it in alsamixer, my subwoofer channel is back.
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• 588[04:30:15] <Lady_Aleena> LiuYan, I looked, I don't have a subwoofer channel. I've tried unmuting every option I can.
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• 591[04:32:06] <LiuYan> Lady_Aleena: maybe you can try a live cd/usb, to see if it works in live cd/usb.
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• 593[04:32:15] <awal1> if using pulseaudio, pavucontrol & pasystray may/should be very helpful for sound stuff
• 594[04:32:40] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, I don't think I have pulseaudio.
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• 597[04:34:52] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, I was wrong.
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• 601[04:38:23] <Lady_Aleena> It isn't perfect, but I ran pavucontrol and reset the subwoofer under output controls, but I don't know if it will stick.
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• 688[05:40:33] <rustyraptor> How do I mount an lvm partition? Something went wrong and it's stuck at initramfs.
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• 691[05:41:02] <rustyraptor> I got into a livecd and ran fsck/e2fsck and all that. The disk seems fine but I cant seem to mount it to view files.
• 692[05:41:14] <rustyraptor> Or when I do all I see in the directory is a lost+found file.
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• 695[05:41:50] <rustyraptor> This is ultimately my fault for not making a backup. Would be cool if I could recover my VMs at least tho.
• 696[05:42:10] <un214> wow! sounds like you succeeded once and found it's been whiped
• 697[05:42:58] <rustyraptor> It happened after I tried resizing the LVM. Because my root partition was too small.
• 698[05:43:40] <rustyraptor> From now on i'll just keep everything on one partition i guess.
• 699[05:43:52] <un214> let me guess you tried to expand a mounted partition
• 700[05:44:19] <rustyraptor> Yeah but isn't that what LVM is meant to do?
• 701[05:44:25] <rustyraptor> Resize while it's live?
• 702[05:44:33] <un214> you still have to dismount the partition to expand the FS
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• 706[05:44:59] <un214> resize2fs is not going to do well when the kernel rewrites the superblock on top of it
• 707[05:45:25] <un214> sadly the junk in old old kernels that made this stuff safe is long gone
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• 709[05:45:54] <un214> (it wasn't MP safe)
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• 712[05:46:33] <rustyraptor> well what do you think the chances are I will find my virtual machine files in photorec lmao.
• 713[05:46:40] <rustyraptor> I'm guessing no chance at all.
• 714[05:46:49] <un214> the other partitions besides / are probably intact
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• 716[05:47:32] <rustyraptor> well it's the /home partition that's dead.
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• 718[05:47:42] <un214> :(
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• 722[05:48:50] <rustyraptor> Well at least now I know how to not screw up my system.
• 723[05:49:27] <rustyraptor> 1 partition, regular EXT4. Backup everyday.
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• 727[05:52:13] <rustyraptor> I found some .vdi files :O
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• 954[08:50:51] <iateadonut> in sites like verisign-grs.com, what does grs stand for? (or what's a better room to ask in?)
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• 957[08:53:22] <dax> global registry services
• 958[08:53:24] <RustyJ> global registry service/s
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• 960[08:53:29] <dax> i win
• 961[08:53:41] <RustyJ> whatev.... i was eating ham
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• 976[08:58:38] <iateadonut> priorities!
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• 979[09:00:03] <RustyJ> agreed, ham first, everything else next.
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• 1006[09:13:58] <jolt> :D
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• 1008[09:14:29] <tx> So
• 1009[09:14:35] <tx> what happens when we run out of toy story characters
• 1010[09:14:40] <tx> will we move on to another disney movie?
• 1011[09:14:41] <Iota> echo "Happy $(date -I | tr -d - | cut -b 6-8)!"
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• 1023[09:19:45] <Drzacek> Morning #debian
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• 1029[09:21:46] <Drzacek> So I just found out debian has "trash bin", aaaand apparently it is full. How do I empty this thing? I only found options to "delete older than X days" and "limit maximal size"
• 1030[09:21:56] <tx> debian itself has no trash bin
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• 1032[09:22:01] <tx> I suspect your desktop environment might though
• 1033[09:22:15] <tx> Whachya using? Gnome? KDE? something else?
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• 1037[09:23:35] <Drzacek> kde
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• 1039[09:24:09] <tx> right click on the trash icon
• 1040[09:24:14] <tx> and there should be an option to empty it
• 1041[09:24:30] <tx> alternatively, highlight all of the items in the trash and press shift + delete
• 1042[09:24:54] <Drzacek> where is the trash icon?
• 1043[09:25:01] <Drzacek> I don't have any icons on desktop
• 1044[09:25:02] <tx> in your file manager
• 1045[09:25:26] <tx> replaced-url
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• 1048[09:25:32] <tx> on the left pane
• 1049[09:25:33] <Drzacek> ah okay
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• 1052[09:25:51] <Drzacek> been using krusader, there was no such option
• 1053[09:26:00] <tx> ah
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• 1055[09:26:15] <Drzacek> thanks
• 1056[09:26:28] <tx> No worries!
• 1057[09:26:54] <Drzacek> now I bet you know if/how can I set it to delete immediately, without using trash at all?
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• 1060[09:27:59] <Drzacek> damn, looks like there is no way to set it "globally", only internally in each file manager
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• 1063[09:28:54] <tx> Drzacek: most file managers should be able to do this by holding shift when deleting
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• 1065[09:29:54] <Drzacek> luckily rm -r doesn't move to trash (or does it?)
• 1066[09:30:01] <tx> nope
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• 1070[09:30:20] <tx> gah, keep pressing ctrl + on the wrong window~
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• 1112[09:51:42] <istevenmon> ##slackware
• 1113[09:52:13] <RustyJ> is that still a viable distro?
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• 1116[09:52:40] <RustyJ> been many years since i suffered thru an install
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• 1137[10:02:21] <istevenmon> XD
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• 1201[10:35:00] <strk> any idea why ytnef is not available as a package ? I only find libytnef0 which mentions "you should install ytnef" but no "ytnef" package
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• 1203[10:35:09] <strk> pool/universe/liby/libytnef/libytnef0_1.5-9_amd64.deb
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• 1207[10:37:29] <LiuYan> strk: apt-cache search -n ytnef --> ytnef-tools
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• 1209[10:38:08] <strk> oh, sorry, I just realized I'm on an Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
• 1210[10:38:14] <strk> thanks for the hint !
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• 1359[12:13:33] <xof1s> hello, I see in `dpkg -l | grep mcrypt` that there are installed different versions of php mcrypt package. One of theme has in output '[default]'. I can't google what does it mean and how can I change it. Can you say me what does it mean and how to change it, e.g. on php7.0-mcrypt? Output: replaced-url
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• 1362[12:14:00] <FinalX> please use the pastebin that's in the topic
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• 1366[12:14:42] <FinalX> you are using an external repository instead of debian's own, php 7.0 can be installed next to the native php 5.x
• 1367[12:15:05] <FinalX> you need to wipe the native packages if you're using an external repository for 7.x, to avoid confusion like you have now
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• 1369[12:15:24] <FinalX> in fact, you have both php 7.0 and php 7.1 packages installed now from sury.org ...
• 1370[12:15:38] <petn-randall> xof1s: Are you sure you're running Debian? Those packages seem to be for Ubuntu trusty.
• 1371[12:15:39] <FinalX> so make up your mind as to what you want, and purge the rest :)
• 1372[12:15:48] <FinalX> petn-randall: sury.org works fine in jessie
• 1373[12:15:54] <FinalX> petn-randall: I use it for jessie as well
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• 1377[12:16:35] <FinalX> but PHP 7.x can be installed as a seperate version next to other PHP versions, no files are duplicate within the packages
• 1378[12:16:48] <FinalX> so you can have jessie's 5.6, sury's 7.0 and sury's 7.1 all installed together.
• 1379[12:16:53] <FinalX> as he has right now..
• 1380[12:16:55] <petn-randall> xof1s: That's just the package description. Whoever packaged that just add "[default]" to it.
• 1381[12:16:57] <xof1s> sorry, yes it is ubuntu host. But most of hosts are debian.
• 1382[12:17:11] <FinalX> xof1s: doesn't change what I said
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• 1384[12:17:35] <FinalX> xof1s: trusty comes with 5.x, you have installed both 7.0 and 7.1 from sury... purge the 5.x packages from trusty's own repository
• 1385[12:17:48] <FinalX> or in other words: make up your mind as to which version you want and stick with it :p
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• 1389[12:18:46] <FinalX> Ubuntu's own php 5.x needs php5-mcrypt. sury's PHP 7.0 needs php7.0-mcrypt, sury's PHP 7.1 needs php7.1-mcrypt. so it's normal that you have them all. the php-mcrypt is just a meta package and is unimportant.
• 1390[12:18:54] <FinalX> [default] or not there is pretty irrelevant
• 1391[12:19:11] <xof1s> petn-randall: ok, so that's not apt flag, only human description. Thanks :]
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• 1394[12:19:34] <FinalX> right
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• 1397[12:20:12] * FinalX E_CAFFEINE
• 1398[12:20:22] <xof1s> FinalX: I need more php versions, some of apps are not rewritten to php7 for example
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• 1402[12:21:06] <xof1s> ok, thanks guys for quick response!
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• 1406[12:22:23] <FinalX> xaiki: I know that pain, I created a whole nginx-frontend + LXC backends infrastructure for it. Migrated 10k+ customers from PHP 5.3 to 5.6, 7.0 and 7.1. Forcibly at some point.
• 1407[12:24:10] <FinalX> hm, since stretch is frozen for a while now, it should be relatively safe to start using it, right?
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• 1410[12:24:47] <petn-randall> FinalX: Not for production though, since you don't get security updates in a timely manner.
• 1411[12:25:01] <FinalX> ah hm
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• 1413[12:25:14] <FinalX> right. well at least I can prepare the container already for when it's released :)
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• 1416[12:25:54] <FinalX> currently doing jessie + sury's PHP 7.x, want to migrate that container to stretch + native PHP 7
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• 1421[12:28:00] <FinalX> hm, apart from the lxc template on jessie not supporting stretch yet.. maybe backports one does
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• 1424[12:30:50] <blackflow> I'm using Stretch in production, apparently it carries fixes that aren't yet in Jessie (and who knows when they'll be, ntp for example has been vulnerable for weeks, all fixed in Stretch)
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• 1426[12:31:32] <blackflow> kernel, nginx, ... many vulns not fixed in stable already are in testing.
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• 1432[12:36:44] <FinalX> ok, check, lxc from backports knows stretch just fine. time to upgrade to backports version :)
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• 1478[12:58:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1505[13:05:51] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1511[13:07:39] <Azrael_-> can i somehow debootstrap a jessie-system on a squeeze-system?
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• 1605[13:56:00] <petn-randall> Azrael_-: It might work, try it and see.
• 1606[13:56:31] <petn-randall> Azrael_-: There might be a slight chance that something in the packaging changed that debootstrap on squeeze can't cope with, but it's quite unlikely.
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• 1616[14:00:45] <infos> !rns
• 1617[14:00:45] <dpkg> somebody said rns was #del#
• 1618[14:00:53] <infos> !rms
• 1619[14:00:54] <dpkg> i guess rms is a hacker name of Richard Stallman, founder of Free Software Foundation (fsf), (co)author of the GNU General Public licence(s), and GNU philosophy in general.
• 1620[14:01:13] <infos> !linux
• 1621[14:01:13] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, linux is closed
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• 1623[14:01:33] <infos> !gnu/linux
• 1624[14:01:33] <dpkg> [gnu/linux] the GNU system running with the Linux kernel or the choice of the GNU generation, or ask me about "linux-and-gnu" and "why-gnu-linux"
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• 1641[14:05:55] <itsiam_> FinalX: well, i've upgraded systemd from jessie-backports, because systemd in stable didn't work well in nspawn-container
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• 1643[14:07:27] <petn-randall> infos: /msg dpkg
• 1644[14:07:33] <petn-randall> infos: then you can ask all factoids there.
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• 1647[14:08:32] <FinalX> itsiam_: yeah, I also can't wait for stretch .. heh :) there's just some things that *feel* unfinished in jessie as compared to xenial, for instance. and stretch fixes that for me, too.
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• 1652[14:10:29] <infos> How i can force my debian netinstall to use my hdmi/dvi tv before installation?
• 1653[14:10:41] <infos> my notebook screen is broken
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• 1681[14:22:33] <petn-randall> infos: Unless you can deactivate the built-in screen, there's probably no way. Can you press a hotkey to switch displays?
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• 1683[14:22:56] <__hramrach> hello
• 1684[14:23:19] <__hramrach> how do I tell my IP when I am behind NAT?
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• 1687[14:23:56] <__hramrach> I can perhaps set up UPnP on my router but without knowing what IP it gets it is useless to open a port
• 1688[14:24:08] <petn-randall> !goal
• 1689[14:24:09] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 1690[14:24:14] <petn-randall> __hramrach: ^^^
• 1691[14:24:26] <__hramrach> I want to connect to my machine
• 1692[14:25:01] <__hramrach> to that end I could set up dynamic dns so I can look up where it is
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• 1696[14:25:16] <__hramrach> but I Need to tell the dynamic dns server where it is
• 1697[14:25:20] <__hramrach> which I do not know
• 1698[14:25:31] <petn-randall> __hramrach: You usually install something like ddclient on the router.
• 1699[14:25:51] <__hramrach> that's in the case you route on the pc
• 1700[14:26:08] <__hramrach> I found the pc tends to crash when traffic passes through it
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• 1702[14:26:21] <__hramrach> so moved it behind a blackbox router
• 1703[14:26:42] * Shadur curses tomcat unto the twelfth generation.
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• 1707[14:27:01] <__hramrach> that's a lot of curesd kittens ...
• 1708[14:27:15] <Shadur> It deserves it.
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• 1710[14:27:26] <petn-randall> __hramrach: You can still use that tool, even behind a router. In that case it'll just instruct the service to use the IP you're connecting from.
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• 1722[14:32:59] <__hramrach> ok I see: $xml = get("replaced-url
• 1723[14:33:18] <__hramrach> so there is no way without using a service like that
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• 1751[14:51:19] <petn-randall> __hramrach: Correct, you need an outside service to detect your public IP. There is no way to detect it from the inside.
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• 1778[15:02:29] <anotherus3r> Hi how many DNS servers can I use?
• 1779[15:02:42] <blackflow> __hramrach: many routers have dyndns capabilities, that is automatically upding a dns service when the ip changes. did you check if your router has something like that?
• 1780[15:03:03] <blackflow> anotherus3r: in resolv.conf?
• 1781[15:03:09] <anotherus3r> blackflow: yes overall
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• 1783[15:03:34] <blackflow> anotherus3r: iirc there was a problem with more than 3 in resolv.conf, not sure if that's fixed with recent glibc
• 1784[15:04:03] <anotherus3r> blackflow: What problem?
• 1785[15:04:05] <blackflow> realistically though, would you need more than 3??
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• 1789[15:05:00] <blackflow> anotherus3r: see resolv.conf manpage for more info
• 1790[15:05:22] <anotherus3r> blackflow: I use 2 DNS servers from my VPN provider. I thought if they would go down so I use 2 other DNS servers that are not from my ISP
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• 1792[15:05:36] <anotherus3r> blackflow: Can I do that?
• 1793[15:06:12] <blackflow> up to 3
• 1794[15:06:46] <blackflow> but I guess you can always set up a local recursing dns server like bind or unbound
• 1795[15:06:51] <anotherus3r> blackflow: So if 2 goes down then 2 other would not work?
• 1796[15:07:03] <jelly> hopefullu not bind
• 1797[15:07:18] <blackflow> jelly: aside from the current vuln in the resolver, why not?
• 1798[15:07:34] <blackflow> anotherus3r: if 2 go down, you can use one more, as MAXNS is 3
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• 1801[15:08:16] <jelly> because the user wants a recursor, not a bloated implementation with everything than one can imagine
• 1802[15:08:17] <anotherus3r> blackflow: In use or as reserve?
• 1803[15:08:33] <blackflow> anotherus3r: in resolv.conf file
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• 1807[15:09:44] <anotherus3r> blackflow: So I cant use 4 nameservers in network-manger or dhclient.conf as prepend domain-name-servers?
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• 1809[15:10:46] <blackflow> anotherus3r: I already told you.
• 1810[15:11:49] <anotherus3r> blackflow: why not?
• 1811[15:11:57] <blackflow> anotherus3r: dhclient sets up resolv.conf, so you're bound to resolv.conf limits which are currently 3. maybe you can try using systemd-resolved, I don't know if it's limited like that, but at any rate it doesn't use resolv.conf
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• 1813[15:12:02] <blackflow> anotherus3r: read the manpage
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• 1816[15:12:25] <jelly> anotherus3r: prepend will make it so they're used first (probably), are you sure you want that?
• 1817[15:12:56] <anotherus3r> jelly: I use 2 DNS servers from my VPN provider. I thought if they would go down so I use 2 other DNS servers that are not from my ISP
• 1818[15:13:26] <blackflow> you can list 4 in resolv.conf, but only top 3 will be used
• 1819[15:13:35] <jelly> anotherus3r: the idea of using VPN provider's dns recursors is so that your provider cannot see which domains you're accessing. If that's important to you, you don't want to fall back to a local recursor instead.
• 1820[15:13:35] <anotherus3r> jelly: So 2 DNS servers from VPN then 2 from another VPN provider, instead of my ISP DNS servers
• 1821[15:13:48] <anotherus3r> blackflow: That was not my question, really.
• 1822[15:14:12] <jelly> you can put in as many as you like, but apps have their own timeouts
• 1823[15:14:12] <anotherus3r> jelly: so what should I do?
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• 1826[15:14:34] <blackflow> anotherus3r: then you're either trolling or are too dense to understand that you can only use 3 namserver entries with resolv.conf. if the first fails, the second is attempted, if that fails, the third is attempted. it's all in the manpage I've told you to read long time ago.
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• 1829[15:15:01] <anotherus3r> blackflow: read my question again :)
• 1830[15:15:07] <anotherus3r> ^
• 1831[15:15:09] <blackflow> and if you're worried about dns failing, use your own recursor, with a fallback to vpn
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• 1833[15:15:34] <blackflow> anotherus3r: and the answer to your question is YES except you can't have 4, only 3. so 2 from VPN and ONE (1) from whatever else
• 1834[15:15:50] <blackflow> you can list 4, but only first 3 will be used
• 1835[15:16:12] <anotherus3r> blackflow: How do I fallback to vpn?
• 1836[15:16:16] <blackflow> plus, what jelly said about using VPN and external DNS
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• 1838[15:16:35] <jelly> anotherus3r: if you need more than three, set up your own like dnsmasq or dnsdist and configure it to forward queries to four or however many outside recursors you have
• 1839[15:16:42] <blackflow> anotherus3r: had you read the manpage you'd know by now that you list "nameserver" entries in the resolv.conf and they're tried top down
• 1840[15:17:00] <jelly> I was not aware of the hardcoded MAXNS limit to 3
• 1841[15:17:14] <blackflow> anotherus3r: so the first one is your resolver with the other two being your VPN's, if that's the route you want to take
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• 1843[15:17:18] <anotherus3r> jelly: I dont want my own DNS
• 1844[15:17:34] <anotherus3r> I already have some good DNS servers
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• 1846[15:17:50] <blackflow> excellent, then list them in the order of preference in resolv.conf keeping in mind only top 3 will be used
• 1847[15:18:03] <jelly> anotherus3r: expect you _need_ one if you want to forward to > 3 remote recursors.
• 1848[15:18:04] <blackflow> used = they're tried in that order, no round robin
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• 1850[15:18:21] <anotherus3r> jelly: I already told you what I want to do.
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• 1852[15:18:48] <jelly> anotherus3r: and I'm suggesting which tools to use to achieve the goal
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• 1855[15:19:38] <jelly> dnsmasq does not have to do any resolving on its own, it can be configured to forward all queries elsewhere
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• 1858[15:20:11] <jelly> dnsdist is basically a load balancer, a lot more powerful but can be used in same manner
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• 1860[15:20:36] <blackflow> or systemd-resolved with no need to set up anything else, the manpage of resolved.conf explains the possibilities
• 1861[15:20:56] <jelly> I don't trust systemd people to be able to write a decent resolver
• 1862[15:21:47] <blackflow> but you trust them to be able to write the centerpiece middleware of your choice operating system? :)
• 1863[15:21:49] <jelly> they make beginner mistakes, NIH' introducing bugs that other implementations have dealt with decade ago
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• 1865[15:21:56] <jelly> blackflow: yes.
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• 1867[15:22:29] <blackflow> isn't that kinda having priorities backwards? I mean, the devs are known to do stupid things but, resolved is the least of the problems with that :)
• 1868[15:22:31] <jelly> systemd is not a monolithic piece of software, there's a dozen separate components and counting
• 1869[15:23:24] <blackflow> anyway, many options to have DNS resolved in any way desired.
• 1870[15:23:36] <jelly> no thanks
• 1871[15:23:40] <blackflow> personally I run bind with fallback to whatever dhcp sets up
• 1872[15:24:18] <jelly> ubuntu integrates dnsmasq with NetworkManager, it does things quite well
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• 1874[15:25:06] <jelly> so you can have a couple VPNs started, and dnsmasq routes queries wherever it's told to
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• 1876[15:25:30] <jelly> I don't use NM on Debian tho
• 1877[15:25:32] <blackflow> sure, but the question was having a fallback
• 1878[15:26:09] <blackflow> a resolver set up to use the VPN interface should do the trick, but then if that's running I'd recommend it being the primary, with fallback to VPN's
• 1879[15:27:40] <blackflow> there's very little reason for a local resolver to fail, where the solution is to restart it simply. another is if your udp packets aren't going through but then no dns setup would work in that scenario
• 1880[15:28:22] <jelly> eh, a decent resolver ought to work even with udp blocked
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• 1882[15:28:56] <blackflow> by trying tcp, yeah, though my point was if network packets were blocked for whatever reason
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• 1890[15:32:13] <jelly> if debian's NM can use dnsmasq, I'd try adding two extra dns servers there and test how it worked by blocking traffic to first two
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• 1905[15:40:30] <anotherus3r> So to install TOR all I have to to is apt-get install torbrowser-launcher
• 1906[15:40:31] <anotherus3r> ?
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• 1909[15:41:17] <Devastator> is there any factoid or wiki entry about how to create apache2 virtualhosts? I don't mind asking in apache channel, I'm just wondering
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• 1913[15:42:12] <cruncher> anotherus3r, no
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• 1915[15:42:26] <cruncher> if you ask about "tor", why install tor-"browser"?
• 1916[15:42:40] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Whats the different?
• 1917[15:42:58] <cruncher> anotherus3r, use man
• 1918[15:43:15] <anotherus3r> cruncher: yes I want the tor browser
• 1919[15:43:21] <anotherus3r> But I get Tor signature verification fails always
• 1920[15:43:24] <anotherus3r> Why?
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• 1933[15:48:02] <timeless> i have an lxc w/ debian jessie which is supposed to be systemd, but when i run `systemctl`, i get `Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1`
• 1934[15:48:11] <timeless> the host is rhel6
• 1935[15:48:20] <uniTosch> anotherus3r: you can get the tor browser tarball from upstream.
• 1936[15:48:24] <timeless> anyone happen to be familiar w/ this/how to get dbus happy?
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• 1938[15:49:41] <timeless> (I have a second system which is debian wheezy which doesn't use dbus / doesn't have systemctl and is therefore happy, but of course wheezy isn't really supported at this point in time...)
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• 1943[15:51:22] <Azrael_-> i've set up a new vm in a chroot environment but now i exited the chroot and some process is still blocking the filesystem. how can i find out which process is blocking the filesystem? "lsof | grep <mountpoint>" and "fuser -k <mountpoint>" don't provide me any hints, but umount still denies me the unmount
• 1944[15:51:45] <cruncher> anotherus3r, you are aksing why it fails? of course you can get it from upstream like uniTosch suggested, but if you are not going to verify the downloaded file anyway, just click start
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• 1948[15:52:45] <cruncher> of course its recommended to verify it...
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• 1952[15:53:08] <Azrael_-> nm, solved it
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• 1964[15:54:15] <timeless> Azrael_-: out of curiosity, how did you solve it? :)
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• 1966[15:54:32] <cruncher> anotherus3r, but i see they have a guide on how to verify it, so you should be able to follow the steps
• 1967[15:54:40] <Azrael_-> i forgot to unmount the submountpoint "dev"
• 1968[15:54:50] <anotherus3r> cruncher: Yes thank you
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• 1970[15:54:53] <timeless> ah
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• 1986[16:00:23] <__hramrach> blackflow: yes, I did. I got emal from dynamic dns provider that the hostname expired. So obviously it is not working with the client built into the router. I will try ddclient which has three different 'tell me my ip' service web sites listed so should be robust against failure of one such service. Seems to be the standard way to do it.
• 1987[16:00:34] <__hramrach> thanks for your help
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• 1989[16:02:01] <__hramrach> petn-randall: actuall there is manufacturer/model-specific way to get the external IP from the router but no standardized protocol (such as UPnP)
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• 1994[16:03:27] <__hramrach> my router is using a modified version of some *wrt distribution and does not seem to have (documented) status page accessible without authentication
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• 2019[16:11:28] <anotherus3r> What is print server during the debian installer?
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• 2022[16:12:45] <cruncher> anotherus3r, try and see what happens when you insert that very sentence into google.com... ;-)
• 2023[16:12:55] <nkuttler> anotherus3r: installs cups and a few related things
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• 2025[16:13:07] <nkuttler> anotherus3r: see also apt-cache show task-print-server
• 2026[16:13:13] <anotherus3r> nkuttler: Do I need it? I use no printers at all
• 2027[16:13:25] <nkuttler> anotherus3r: think about that for a second?
• 2028[16:14:08] <anotherus3r> nkuttler: I dont think so? Maybe there is some more features no?
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• 2040[16:18:04] <jhutchins_wk> anotherus3r: Maybe it opens a subspace connection to vger.
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• 2044[16:18:45] <johnkeates> anotherus3r: stop asking these questions, use the aptitude why <package name> command to find out why something is installed
• 2045[16:19:02] <johnkeates> basically, you as asking other people to run that command for you, but you can do that yourself just fine
• 2046[16:19:35] <johnkeates> also, when you install a task that installs a desktop you get a full desktop package, including window managers, desktop managers, printers, office suites, calculators, editors, settings, java, python, ruby etc.
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• 2048[16:19:40] <johnkeates> and you get 100 libraries
• 2049[16:19:41] <johnkeates> and samba
• 2050[16:19:43] <johnkeates> and vnc
• 2051[16:19:57] <corner_cubicle> anotherus3r is basically trolling at this point
• 2052[16:19:59] <johnkeates> and yes, you need all of those to make a desktop work, even if you don't use all of those features
• 2053[16:20:03] <johnkeates> i know
• 2054[16:20:08] <johnkeates> he was in ##linux yesterday
• 2055[16:20:27] <corner_cubicle> Everything that he needs is in the man page or a google search away
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• 2058[16:20:49] <blackflow> at this point? nah, he started way earlier
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• 2060[16:21:45] <anotherus3r> corner_cubicle: Do you know me?
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• 2065[16:22:39] <corner_cubicle> anotherus3r: I don't, but I can see you don't put any effort into solving your problems
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• 2071[16:24:15] <anotherus3r> corner_cubicle: Thats why Im here or what?
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• 2086[16:30:07] <Artej> Hi, is it normal for index++ to hang drunning dreplaced-url
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• 2113[16:41:24] <Artej> nm, it just processed documents very slowly
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• 2138[16:49:17] <buhletxr> Hi everyone. I installed debian 8 using cd1, and selected desktop environment. But for some reason, I only have command-line. I supposed it came with gnome, cause it had no gnome option
• 2139[16:49:42] <buhletxr> already tried to do a apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
• 2140[16:49:51] <buhletxr> but no package available
• 2141[16:49:55] <buhletxr> anypone can help me ehre?
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• 2143[16:50:00] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
• 2144[16:50:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2147[16:50:13] <greycat> Make sure your sources.list is correct, run "apt-get update", then try it again.
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• 2150[16:50:22] <buhletxr> ty
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• 2160[16:53:03] <Emil> Hi
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• 2166[16:54:15] <buhletxr> thanks greycat
• 2167[16:54:29] <buhletxr> now showed a lot of stuff, but asks for the new cd
• 2168[16:54:34] <buhletxr> I want it to get via the internet
• 2169[16:54:41] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2170[16:54:42] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2171[16:54:51] <petn-randall> buhletxr: Can you provide the info above? ^^^
• 2172[16:54:52] <buhletxr> should i remove the cdrom/ from the sources.list ?
• 2173[16:55:06] <petn-randall> I'm guessing that you still have ... yes, remove that.
• 2174[16:55:08] <buhletxr> can't copy
• 2175[16:55:13] <buhletxr> I'm using vsphere client
• 2176[16:55:21] <buhletxr> but sec
• 2177[16:55:26] <greycat> Just comment out ALL of the cdrom lines, and have only the lines the bot said.
• 2178[16:55:47] <buhletxr> yeh just did it
• 2179[16:56:05] <buhletxr> cool
• 2180[16:56:07] <buhletxr> working
• 2181[16:56:23] <buhletxr> missed this :-\ I was thinking it would install with gnome :-x
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• 2183[16:56:31] <buhletxr> i guess i will miss a lot of stuff ><
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• 2186[16:57:02] <CuSn> /j #python.
• 2187[16:57:10] <greycat> At this point it'll be very difficult to figure out why you didn't get GNOME during your original install. Probably not worth worrying about, as long as you get it working now.
• 2188[16:57:36] <buhletxr> yeh
• 2189[16:57:38] <buhletxr> xD
• 2190[16:57:48] <buhletxr> debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1.iso
• 2191[16:57:52] <buhletxr> that was the one i downloaded
• 2192[16:58:00] <buhletxr> and had pre selected desktop-environment
• 2193[16:58:05] <buhletxr> and didn't saw gnome option
• 2194[16:58:09] <buhletxr> just the other ones
• 2195[16:58:15] <greycat> Do you recall any errors during the package selection/installation steps?
• 2196[16:58:17] <buhletxr> so I didn't select any other else
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• 2198[16:58:20] <buhletxr> just system utilities
• 2199[16:58:35] <buhletxr> no, no errors
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• 2201[16:58:59] <buhletxr> but had no gnome option.thta's why I didn't select it.
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• 2204[16:59:39] <buhletxr> and when I was tryting o install via cli, couldn't cause the sources only have security.debian.org
• 2205[16:59:51] <buhletxr> in anycase. now its doing all this gets xD will take time
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• 2212[17:03:05] <CuSn> Just upgraded from vim-tiny to full vim. Noticed that full vim doe not haveeither python support compiled in. (+python or +python3). Is there a sedian package that has vim with +python3 support already compiled in that i can use?
• 2213[17:03:16] <CuSn> sorry - typos
• 2214[17:03:32] <CuSn> sedian -> debian
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• 2217[17:04:07] <petn-randall> CuSn: What is "full vim"? There are several vim packages with different feature sets.
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• 2220[17:04:54] <CuSn> petn-randall: I installed this: apt-get install vim. I didn't know there are multiple vim packages.
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• 2222[17:05:21] <CuSn> I installed that to replace vim-tiny, per instructions to get python support in vim.
• 2223[17:05:42] <CuSn> but the version of vim that upgrade installed had no python support
• 2224[17:06:08] <petn-randall> CuSn: apt-cache search '^vim-'
• 2225[17:06:21] <CuSn> petn-randall: you, sir, are a mind reader. :)
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• 2229[17:07:28] <greycat> That ^vim- is ... not quite what I expected. Seems to be matching ^[Vv][Ii][Mm]- against multiple fields of the metadata, not just package name....
• 2230[17:07:29] <petn-randall> CuSn: I'm guessing you want vim-nox, or vim-gtk.
• 2231[17:07:41] <petn-randall> greycat: name and description
• 2232[17:08:05] <CuSn> Your guess is better than mine. Do i gave to apt-get remove my current vim to install one of those?
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• 2234[17:08:12] <greycat> because I got results like: kakoune - Vim-inspired, selection-oriented code editor
• 2235[17:08:37] <petn-randall> greycat: Yeah, the description matches. Seems to be case-insensitive (yuck).
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• 2237[17:08:51] <CuSn> greycat: a good accident? completeness is better this time?
• 2238[17:09:12] <greycat> (there's also --names-only)
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• 2249[17:11:55] <loorke> Guys, can you tell me the right way to install bumblebee with proprietary nvidia driver on debian stretch?
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• 2251[17:12:56] <CuSn> petn-randall: thanks for the help. vim-nox has the needed python support. :-)
• 2252[17:12:59] <loorke> replaced-url
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• 2255[17:14:05] <rdz> hey all. i would like unattended-upgrades to install all upgrades, not only security.. i currently have this line in Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern:
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• 2257[17:14:19] <BluesKaj> loorke: think there's a ppa that contains a new dev of bumblebee
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• 2259[17:14:28] <greycat> ,v bumblebee-nvidia
• 2260[17:14:29] <judd> Package: bumblebee-nvidia on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 3.2.1-7; jessie-backports/contrib: 3.2.1-13~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 3.2.1-14; stretch/contrib: 3.2.1-14
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• 2262[17:14:42] <greycat> I suspect you forgot to enable contrib & non-free.
• 2263[17:15:08] <rdz> greycat, is that addressed to me?
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• 2266[17:15:21] <spleen> Hello, i set a job with at command. With atq i can see the jobs but how could i get info about command that will be lauch ?
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• 2269[17:15:35] <spleen> Hello, i set a job with at command. With atq i can see the jobs but how could i get info about command that will be lauch ?
• 2270[17:15:35] <greycat> Only if you asked a question about bumblebee-nvidia.
• 2271[17:15:40] <loorke> Yes, I forgot
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• 2273[17:15:47] <loorke> Thank you
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• 2276[17:16:33] <rdz> greycat, oh ok
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• 2278[17:16:59] <petn-randall> CuSn: You're welcome! Glad I could help.
• 2279[17:17:05] <BluesKaj> loorke: add contrib nonfree to the deb lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2289[17:22:24] <buhletxr> just installed task-gnome-desktop
• 2290[17:22:34] <buhletxr> how I activate it now then?
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• 2294[17:23:30] <buhletxr> startx
• 2295[17:23:32] <buhletxr> i guess
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• 2314[17:31:17] <buhletxr> this debian is strange X
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• 2320[17:35:47] <Stochastic> buhletxr: did you install gdm or lightdm?
• 2321[17:36:06] <Stochastic> buhletxr: I recommend lightdm over gdm
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• 2323[17:36:15] <Stochastic> Install that and reboot
• 2324[17:36:54] <greycat> That only changes the login, and possibly a few of the dot files that get read. It won't change the behavior of his WM/DE after he's logged in.
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• 2333[17:41:27] <Asura> Hi everyone. Does anyone know why i get stuck with "Loading, please wait..." on a fresh install? If i install with a graphical envrionment, it works fine. If i do minimal with nothing, i get stuck.
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• 2336[17:42:10] <buhletxr> Stochastic ty, gona try
• 2337[17:42:23] <modles> hey all
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• 2344[17:43:18] <buhletxr> I'm trying to understand how I have network. but network manager, doesn't show me any interface
• 2345[17:43:19] <buhletxr> lol
• 2346[17:43:19] <buhletxr> xD
• 2347[17:43:40] <nkuttler> buhletxr: anything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 2348[17:43:41] <alekz> Asura: it'd help to know what are you exactly installing
• 2349[17:43:46] <buhletxr> yes
• 2350[17:43:51] <buhletxr> just the normal dhcp stuff
• 2351[17:43:54] <nkuttler> buhletxr: nm won't touch those interfaces
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• 2354[17:44:04] <buhletxr> nm ?
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• 2356[17:44:09] <buhletxr> ha ok
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• 2358[17:45:18] <buhletxr> the activities shouldn't drop a menu or soemthing?
• 2359[17:45:27] <buhletxr> I think I'm missing a lot of stuff here :-\
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• 2367[17:50:18] <buhletxr> how I get this look?
• 2368[17:50:19] <buhletxr> replaced-url
• 2369[17:50:46] <buhletxr> mine is like this: replaced-url
• 2370[17:51:13] <buhletxr> only if I press activities I can search for apps
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• 2377[17:52:59] <Stochastic> buhletxr: try this command? gnome-shell --mode=classic -r &
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• 2379[17:56:56] <buhletxr> Stochastic i'm using tweek tool
• 2380[17:57:00] <buhletxr> tweak
• 2381[17:57:12] <Stochastic> buhletxr: did you try running that command in a terminal?
• 2382[17:57:21] <buhletxr> not yet
• 2383[17:57:24] <buhletxr> whay will thay do?
• 2384[17:57:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> buhletxr, if you have (I suppose wired) network… does it matter? If you want an answer… paste things into a pastebin (paste.debian.net) "the usual dhcp stuff" isn't really so informative
• 2385[17:57:42] <Stochastic> buhletxr: just try it. Nothing bad can happen. I think.
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• 2389[17:58:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, not too baddish
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• 2399[18:02:49] <buhletxr> Stochastic jeezzz
• 2400[18:02:56] <buhletxr> that's horrible
• 2401[18:03:05] <Stochastic> buhletxr: ?
• 2402[18:03:17] <buhletxr> the classic mode
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• 2404[18:04:01] <buhletxr> sweet...
• 2405[18:04:09] <Stochastic> buhletxr: well, it's what the stackoverflow question is about
• 2406[18:04:12] <buhletxr> now i put mode=gdm and box freeze
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• 2412[18:05:43] <buhletxr> CutMeOwnThroat not the same. want to set static ip without editing files.
• 2413[18:05:53] <buhletxr> can't atm. so need to edit the interfaces file
• 2414[18:05:58] <Stochastic> CutMeOwnThroat: jeez, bro, change your nickname X_X
• 2415[18:06:15] <greycat> Stochastic: why? Perfectly fine Discworld ref.
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• 2417[18:07:02] <Stochastic> greycat: useless if most people -- who don't know Discworld -- will think of emo stuff, like I did :P
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• 2419[18:09:00] <buhletxr> what remote desktop server you guys suggest me to use?
• 2420[18:09:03] <buhletxr> on debian
• 2421[18:09:20] <buhletxr> I need something to connect to my machine
• 2422[18:09:24] <buhletxr> besides ssh
• 2423[18:09:35] <buhletxr> need a gui interface for some users xD
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• 2426[18:11:17] <blackflow> Stochastic: that's not something you should brag about :)
• 2427[18:11:18] <buhletxr> installed xrdp but for some reason, dont work properly
• 2428[18:11:37] <buhletxr> it asks for the module ( sesman-xvnc) and i put username and password but then can't see the screen
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• 2430[18:11:41] <buhletxr> just a grey screen
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• 2439[18:16:34] <jhutchins_wk> !xvnc
• 2440[18:16:55] <buhletxr> nothing :-\
• 2441[18:17:17] <Guest2523> Can someone please tell me what the shit is going on here? replaced-url
• 2442[18:17:25] <Guest2523> I don't understand how my server keeps getting compromised
• 2443[18:17:27] <Guest2523> Within 4 hours
• 2444[18:17:30] <Guest2523> I have keypair auth set up
• 2445[18:17:33] <Guest2523> Pass disabled
• 2446[18:17:35] <Guest2523> Root login disabled
• 2447[18:17:43] <Guest2523> SSH port changed
• 2448[18:17:44] <buhletxr> already did: echo gnome-session >~/.xsession
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• 2451[18:18:10] <blackflow> Guest2523: you mean lines 25-31?
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• 2454[18:18:35] <Guest2523> I was not logged in during that time this morning
• 2455[18:18:39] <buhletxr> !xrdp
• 2456[18:18:40] <dpkg> methinks xrdp is an open-source remote desktop protcol (RDP) server for Unix-like operating systems. replaced-url
• 2457[18:18:49] <buhletxr> !xvnc
• 2458[18:19:23] <Guest2523> And I DEFINITELY didn't install nginx
• 2459[18:19:24] <Guest2523> And PHP
• 2460[18:19:25] <petn-randall> Guest2523: What makes you think your server is compromised?
• 2461[18:19:27] <Guest2523> Which is now on the server
• 2462[18:19:32] <jhutchins_wk> buhletxr: Did you set the username and password for xvnc?
• 2463[18:19:38] <Guest2523> The server has nginx and PHP installed and the SSH port changed
• 2464[18:19:43] <Guest2523> And auth changed
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• 2466[18:20:31] <Guest2523> I'm the only person who has access to the server, it was a barebones debian install, it was a fresh installation yesterday after already being compromised the day before
• 2467[18:20:33] <buhletxr> jhutchins_wk hmmm guess not. But I can login, with my system password. or with root password. but then grey screen with X
• 2468[18:20:33] <Guest2523> Never touched nginx or php
• 2469[18:20:38] <Stochastic> buhletxr: think that for startx, you need .xinitrc, not .xsession. I'm not sure, though.
• 2470[18:20:40] <buhletxr> gona look how to do that
• 2471[18:20:47] <Guest2523> I'm so confused
• 2472[18:21:12] <Stochastic> buhletxr: replaced-url
• 2473[18:21:17] <Guest2523> The server never got compromised when I had keypair auth disabled
• 2474[18:21:26] <Guest2523> But as soon as I enable it it's done within 4 hours
• 2475[18:21:32] <Stochastic> buhletxr: adapt that page to debian. Shouldn't be hard.
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• 2478[18:22:31] <buhletxr> Stochastic I used startx to access the gui
• 2479[18:22:32] <Guest2523> Maybe they're loggging in to my VPS provider?
• 2480[18:22:33] <buhletxr> gnome
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• 2482[18:22:46] <buhletxr> but I want now from a windows machine to access the debian server
• 2483[18:22:46] <blackflow> Guest2523: how did you install Debian?
• 2484[18:22:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> Stochastic, well… if people don't know Discworld, it's time they start to ^^
• 2485[18:23:18] <Guest2523> Through the VPS provider's SolusVM panel
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• 2488[18:23:28] <Stochastic> CutMeOwnThroat: if you like being considered morbidly depressed, suit yourself :P
• 2489[18:23:29] <Guest2523> This is the third time I did it
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• 2491[18:23:35] <Guest2523> On this server
• 2492[18:23:39] <Guest2523> Works fine for my other servers
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• 2494[18:23:49] <Guest2523> Never randomly started installing Nginx, PHP, changing the password, ect.
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• 2497[18:23:59] <Stochastic> buhletxr: lightdm has a vnc option
• 2498[18:24:04] <blackflow> Guest2523: otoh, sounds like trojaned installation, by what you're saying
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• 2501[18:24:26] <Stochastic> buhletxr: replaced-url
• 2502[18:24:43] <blackflow> Guest2523: are there any unknown ssh keys in root's authorized_keys file?
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• 2504[18:24:54] * petn-randall is still missing facts leading to the conclusion that the server is compromised.
• 2505[18:25:08] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello, I have a few entries in grub to boot different OS's. I need to change their order. I googled a bit and found info on how to do this in Ubuntu, or on how to just set the default OS to boot. But I didn't find instructions on how to change the entry order in Debian. Any suggestion?
• 2506[18:25:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> petn-randall, maybe it's just not his server :)
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• 2509[18:26:01] <petn-randall> Enrico_Menotti: Why do you want to change the order?
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• 2511[18:26:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> Stochastic, nothing wrong with that?
• 2512[18:26:11] <buhletxr> Stochastic why configure a password if I already have my sistem username/password ?
• 2513[18:26:17] <buhletxr> should it not use the same one? O_o
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• 2515[18:26:24] <Guest2523> blackflow: Only seems to be one key
• 2516[18:26:24] <Stochastic> buhletxr: nope
• 2517[18:26:44] <Stochastic> buhletxr: vnc password is not the same as user passwords
• 2518[18:26:50] <buhletxr> ok
• 2519[18:26:54] <buhletxr> then I dont want to use vnc
• 2520[18:26:55] <blackflow> Guest2523: nonstandard ssh processes running? check which files are used with lsof
• 2521[18:26:57] <buhletxr> I want to use rdp
• 2522[18:27:04] <buhletxr> cause it's what I have in my windows pc
• 2523[18:27:11] <buhletxr> that's why I installed xrdp
• 2524[18:27:19] <buhletxr> I guess I need a password then for xvnc
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• 2526[18:27:24] <buhletxr> that xrdp seams to be using
• 2527[18:27:25] <buhletxr> O_O
• 2528[18:27:42] <Enrico_Menotti> petn-randall It's to let me put first the most used OS, and last the less used one.
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• 2530[18:28:17] <mtn> Enrico_Menotti: editing grub files is the same in any distro. why won't the ubuntu instructions work?
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• 2532[18:28:39] <Enrico_Menotti> Because they are based on GUI and I just have a console.
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• 2534[18:29:02] <greycat> can't tell if mtn is trolling or trying to convey a point and being MUCH too subtle
• 2535[18:30:06] * mtn is glad greycat is concerned
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• 2537[18:30:47] <Andocromn> should i need to restart the cron service after making changes in /etc/cron.d/ ?
• 2538[18:31:03] <greycat> no
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• 2540[18:31:30] <Enrico_Menotti> I know there are a few config files in /etc/grub.d. Each of them is concerned with a different entry. But how to change the order they are used by update-grub?
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• 2543[18:31:44] <greycat> Enrico_Menotti: by renaming the m
• 2544[18:31:54] <Enrico_Menotti> m?
• 2545[18:32:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> them
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• 2547[18:32:09] <Andocromn> i commented out a line in a file in /etc/cron.d/ however i can tell the command is still running
• 2548[18:32:11] <Enrico_Menotti> Ah. :)
• 2549[18:32:23] <greycat> Andocromn: if the command had already been run, it won't be killed
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• 2551[18:32:38] <Enrico_Menotti> So it is sufficient to change the number at the beginning of the name?
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• 2553[18:32:46] <greycat> Enrico_Menotti: yes
• 2554[18:32:54] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, thanks.
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• 2556[18:32:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's what the README file in the directory says
• 2557[18:32:58] <Andocromn> nah, i have logs that how it executed twice since i commented it yesterday
• 2558[18:33:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> but all different linux kernels are handled by one of them
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• 2560[18:33:23] <petn-randall> Andocromn: Maybe you still have another entry somewhere else? Can you paste the full file you have?
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• 2562[18:33:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> also… uefi-firmware may possibly need to be before os-prober?
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• 2566[18:34:23] <greycat> CutMeOwnThroat: they're at the same "number" on stretch, by default, and os_prober is first because 'o' < 'u'
• 2567[18:34:27] <petn-randall> Andocromn: Usually™ cron re-reads any changes within the minute.
• 2568[18:34:49] <Andocromn> replaced-url
• 2569[18:35:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, then maybe not :)
• 2570[18:35:14] <Andocromn> thats the whole file... i looked everywhere else and i can't figure out how it's getting executed
• 2571[18:35:42] <petn-randall> Andocromn: Can you share the logs?
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• 2578[18:37:50] <Andocromn> the logs don't have any usefull infomation, the fact that they get created and the timestamp is what tells me its runnign
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• 2580[18:38:20] <buhletxr> for fuck sake
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• 2582[18:38:23] <buhletxr> nothign works
• 2583[18:38:28] <greycat> *facepalm*
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• 2586[18:38:49] <petn-randall> Andocromn: I'm guessing you already checked that the certbot daemon isn't running?
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• 2588[18:38:53] <greycat> Andocromn: Perhaps you misunderstood. We mean the logs created by cron itself, showing the job being started.
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• 2593[18:39:02] <greycat> Not your application's internal logging.
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• 2595[18:39:19] <petn-randall> Yes, what greycat said.
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• 2598[18:40:05] <Stochastic> buhletxr: not even sure that linux supports RDP. Just use lightdm + xvnc.
• 2599[18:40:14] <Stochastic> *RDP server
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• 2605[18:41:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> renewal is twice a day??
• 2606[18:41:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> certbot is the new letsencrypt thingy, right?
• 2607[18:41:32] <Andocromn> o, logs of cron...
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• 2609[18:41:40] <buhletxr> it does with xrdp
• 2610[18:41:49] <Andocromn> yes, certbot is letsencrypt
• 2611[18:41:50] <buhletxr> will fix that no matter what
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• 2613[18:41:54] <greycat> /var/log/syslog for sure; not sure if there's another, more focused one
• 2614[18:41:59] <buhletxr> don't want more programs in my windows machine
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• 2616[18:42:00] <petn-randall> CutMeOwnThroat: the check. It doesn't request anything unless the cert is < 30 days (IIRC) from expiring.
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• 2619[18:42:18] <Andocromn> the problem is that its running twice a day as root. and i want it running as an unprivedged user
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• 2621[18:42:32] <greycat> start with sudo grep CRON /var/log/syslog
• 2622[18:42:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's what the file says… I don't see how that's possible if that's an "opportunity to validate cartificates haven't been revoked", though
• 2623[18:43:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I guess that can be done with a query like any browser would do
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• 2625[18:43:43] <Andocromn> what? no... file says what?
• 2626[18:43:44] <petn-randall> buhletxr: You can, the only thing it really needs root for is if you let it bind to ports 80 or 443. I've got it running in unprivileged mode on my haproxy server, where I configured it to bind to loopback 8080 and just forward the acme challenge to it.
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• 2629[18:44:27] <Andocromn> my problem is when it runs as root it creates logs files that my user cant overwrite
• 2630[18:44:42] <greycat> So let's find out who's starting it as root.
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• 2632[18:45:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> I am running the old letsencrypt script… but I'm running it unprivileged
• 2633[18:45:32] <Andocromn> so i did find something usefull in the logs, not related to cron "systemd[1]: Started Certbot."
• 2634[18:45:45] <petn-randall> Andocromn: See, it's unrelated to cron :)
• 2635[18:45:54] <greycat> So you're making progress.
• 2636[18:45:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> still sucks, because apache needs to be restarted (or at least made to re-read, I don't care) afterwards
• 2637[18:46:00] <Andocromn> mhmm
• 2638[18:46:07] <petn-randall> Andocromn: What does the output of 'systemctl status certbot' show you?
• 2639[18:46:17] <buhletxr> petn-randall I saw a tutorial saying apt-get install xrdp and thats it... fuck it. not working. now i'll follow this:
• 2640[18:46:23] <buhletxr> replaced-url
• 2641[18:46:28] <Andocromn> i used nginx, so i just do a reload everyday at midnight
• 2642[18:46:49] <petn-randall> buhletxr: That message was meant for Andocromn, sorry.
• 2643[18:46:51] <greycat> I don't see what nginx has to do with systemd services.
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• 2645[18:47:18] <buhletxr> ok
• 2646[18:47:23] <Andocromn> sorry greycat, thats was meant for CutMeOwnThroat
• 2647[18:48:08] <Andocromn> CutMeOwnThroat; i use nginx, and do a reload everyday at midnight. it has very little impact and reloads the cert if renewed
• 2648[18:48:30] <Andocromn> greycat, replaced-url
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• 2650[18:48:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> I only (try to) update twice a month…
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• 2654[18:49:28] <Andocromn> CutMeOwnThroat; so, i have 2 of them.. one i had set to try weekly an hour before the nginx reload
• 2655[18:50:04] <Andocromn> the other is for a tomcat server, which is a real pain because the cert needs to be converted to java keystore format
• 2656[18:50:10] <greycat> Andocromn: looks like systemd is running it as root. If you want it to run as some other user, you may have to change the systemd unit file (or create drop-in config overrides, etc.)
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• 2658[18:50:37] <Andocromn> yeah, i'm looking for the unit file now, i'm not finding it... stand by
• 2659[18:50:50] <greycat> 2. Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/certbot.service; static)
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• 2661[18:52:02] <Andocromn> o damn... so whats /lib/systemd/system vs /etc/systemd/system ?
• 2662[18:52:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> I feel less like switching to the certbot stuff than ever… the lentsencrypt script is just in the user's crontab… it may be a little hackish and it was some trial and error… but it's been running along fine for some months now
• 2663[18:52:37] <greycat> /lib/systemd/system/ is where packages put their stuff. /etc/systemd/system/ is where you put your local changes.
• 2664[18:52:57] <Andocromn> CutMeOwnThroat; its certainly a little green, but i think the more it's used the better it will get
• 2665[18:54:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> and obviously the certbot stuff just runs as root… for which there isn't much of a reason
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• 2667[18:55:45] <petn-randall> CutMeOwnThroat: Depending on the mode, it'll bind to tcp port 80 and listen for the acme challenge. You need root for that.
• 2668[18:55:53] <greycat> mkdir -p /etc/systemd/system/certbot.service.d ; printf '%s\n' > /etc/systemd/system/certbot.service.d/user.conf '[Service]' 'User=whateverusername'
• 2669[18:55:57] <Andocromn> greycat; thanks for the info, learn something new everyday. so i have a certbot.service and a certbot.timer in /lib/systemd/system/ i'm guessing just deleting them is the wrong move
• 2670[18:56:06] <petn-randall> CutMeOwnThroat: But it's fairly trivial to override it and provide a safer way.
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• 2672[18:56:29] <petn-randall> Andocromn: Don't delete those files! You can *disable* them.
• 2673[18:56:42] <petn-randall> Andocromn: 'systemctl disable <unit>'
• 2674[18:56:46] <Andocromn> just saw your last message
• 2675[18:56:48] <greycat> Or override them using what I just showed, if I didn't screw up.
• 2676[18:57:22] <greycat> (And personally I'd use vi to edit the file instead of printf, but it's easier to give you pasteable commands than to explain what it should look like.)
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• 2680[18:58:06] <Andocromn> yeah, i see what you did there. I'm going to keep that in notes, for now i just did the systemctl disable because i want to run with cron
• 2681[18:58:12] <greycat> OK.
• 2682[18:58:22] <Andocromn> thanks for the help
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• 2687[18:58:45] <RoyK> erm... I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and then an apt-get autoremove, and it wants to remove samba - any idea why?
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• 2689[18:59:02] <RoyK> this is jessie with some stuff from backports
• 2690[18:59:08] <greycat> Say no. Then stop using autoremove. Problem solved.
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• 2692[18:59:47] <greycat> If you insist on keeping autoremove usable, then you will occasionally have to tell apt that yes, you actually DO want this package to remain.
• 2693[19:00:17] <RoyK> I have manually installed the package
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• 2695[19:00:27] <RoyK> so I have no idea why autoremove wants to remove it
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• 2698[19:03:00] <petn-randall> RoyK: So if you run 'apt-get install samba', and then run 'apt-get autoremove', it wants to remove it?
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• 2700[19:03:20] <petn-randall> RoyK: I assume you maybe installed a package that depends on it, manually.
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• 2704[19:05:27] <RoyK> petn-randall: I have installed samba manually, with apt-get, yes
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• 2706[19:05:45] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2707[19:05:46] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2710[19:05:56] <petn-randall> RoyK: Can you paste the relevant data into a paste? ^^^
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• 2714[19:06:24] <Nitrogen> I used su to log in as another user in my Terminal. How can I run Chromium?
• 2715[19:06:56] <greycat> Don't.
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• 2717[19:07:02] <bin_bash> ....
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• 2720[19:07:48] <greycat> (especially if the target user is root)
• 2721[19:08:01] <Nitrogen> The target user is not root
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• 2724[19:08:40] <Nitrogen> Why wouldn't I run it as someone else?
• 2725[19:08:58] <BluesKaj> why do you need to ?
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• 2727[19:09:20] <Nitrogen> Log into Google without my Main Profile
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• 2730[19:09:33] <greycat> You can create multiple browser profiles under a single unix account.
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• 2732[19:10:00] <Nitrogen> I mean, connect my Browser to my Google Account
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• 2734[19:11:08] <Nitrogen> I want to create a Google Account without entering my Phone Number, which can be done via Android or Chrome. However, I don't want my Browser to be linked with them
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• 2741[19:12:26] <pr0t> I want to install passanger/rack on my debian 8 machine, but I can’t find any packages for it. Does anyone have any ideas?
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• 2744[19:13:23] <Nitrogen> Why doesn't anyone answer? The last time I asked the same thing, it was answered in 2 seconds =/
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• 2746[19:13:50] <pr0t> My question?
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• 2750[19:14:03] <greycat> ****PLONK****
• 2751[19:14:20] <greycat> BLACK HAT ***AND*** FUCKING PSYCH STUDENT TROLL?!?
• 2752[19:14:32] <greycat> FUCK. YOU.
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• 2754[19:14:59] <Nitrogen> pr0t No, mine
• 2755[19:15:11] <RoyK> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 2757[19:15:40] <tw> ,v docker-engine
• 2758[19:15:41] <judd> No package named 'docker-engine' was found in amd64.
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• 2760[19:15:58] <BluesKaj> Nitrogen: you want to connect to google and sign in , but you don't want it linked , tha's a contradiction
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• 2763[19:16:19] <greycat> BluesKaj: Careful, or you'll end up cited in his fucking psychology paper.
• 2764[19:16:21] <Nitrogen> That's why I want to do it with another user :V
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• 2766[19:16:42] <greycat> I should have kickbanned him instead of just ignoring him. Let me rectify that oversight.
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• 2769[19:16:54] <BluesKaj> haha, greycat I'm old I can take it
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• 2782[19:20:22] <tw> ,v docker.io
• 2783[19:20:23] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.13.0~ds1-2
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• 2785[19:21:30] <BluesKaj> greycat: assume he trolled here previously, but i don't recall
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• 2787[19:21:56] <greycat> He outright stated that he had asked the same question before and already received an answer.
• 2788[19:22:11] <greycat> 13:13 Nitrogen> Why doesn't anyone answer? The last time I asked the same thing, it was answered in 2 seconds =/
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• 2796[19:25:10] <BluesKaj> anyway , other stuff to do this aft....later
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• 2809[19:31:08] <JyZyXEL> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 2811[19:31:25] <JyZyXEL> im getting a lot of these mismatches
• 2812[19:31:30] <greycat> wait a minute or two, try again. if it persists, switch mirror.
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• 2815[19:31:39] <JyZyXEL> i waited a day
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• 2817[19:31:59] <JyZyXEL> got any good mirrors?
• 2818[19:32:08] <greycat> !mirrors
• 2819[19:32:08] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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• 2822[19:33:59] <White-T> hello cant link eggdrop on debian anybody knows whats wrong ?
• 2823[19:34:08] <White-T> sockread(): SSL error = error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
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• 2830[19:36:24] <shadoxx> White-T: did you compile from source?
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• 2833[19:36:42] <White-T> eggdrop?
• 2834[19:36:53] <White-T> yes i did 1.8.1
• 2835[19:37:00] <White-T> whit ssl enabled
• 2836[19:37:11] <JyZyXEL> greycat: yeah the deb.debian.org fixed it, funny that this broken repo was actually the default for debian-next
• 2837[19:37:25] <White-T> upgraded curl also
• 2838[19:37:28] <Patrezze> Hello. What 's the better way to install openjdk-8 in Debian Wheezy?
• 2839[19:37:29] <White-T> to testing one
• 2840[19:37:41] <White-T> apt-get install Patrezze :D
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• 2844[19:38:02] <White-T> shadoxx
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• 2846[19:38:35] <Patrezze> White-T, it is not in official repository yet.
• 2847[19:38:36] <greycat> ,checkbackport openjdk-8-jre-headless --torelease wheezy
• 2848[19:38:40] <judd> Backporting package openjdk-8-jre-headless in sid→wheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-6, libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.17.1), openjdk-8-jdk-headless <cross>, dpkg-dev (>= 1.17.14).
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• 2850[19:38:51] <greycat> ,checkbackport openjdk-8-jre-headless --fromrelease stretch --torelease wheezy
• 2851[19:38:55] <judd> Backporting package openjdk-8-jre-headless in stretch→wheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-6, libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.17.1), openjdk-8-jdk-headless <cross>, dpkg-dev (>= 1.17.14).
• 2852[19:38:56] <shadoxx> White-T: can you send me a link to the source url you used? i'll spin up a Debian 8 instance right now and try my hand at compiling
• 2853[19:39:04] <Patrezze> Many articles give different ways
• 2854[19:39:10] <greycat> Patrezze: doesn't look promising. Maybe you can't do it on wheezy.
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• 2856[19:39:35] <expert975> How do I add an application to Gnome app menu?
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• 2858[19:40:13] <shadoxx> White-T: you're using Jessie 64 bit, correct?
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• 2870[19:46:47] <White-T> yes
• 2871[19:47:25] <White-T> replaced-url
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• 2873[19:47:55] <White-T> TLS: state change: before SSL initialization
• 2874[19:47:55] <White-T> sockread EAGAIN: 15 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable)
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• 2883[19:51:27] <White-T> i read that curl 7.38 has bug in ssl3
• 2884[19:51:33] <White-T> and there is no stable yet
• 2885[19:51:38] <White-T> so i have installed testing one
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• 2887[19:51:48] <White-T> curl 7.52.1
• 2888[19:52:19] <White-T> shadoxx
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• 2908[19:58:36] <pldiem> anyone using torbrowser-launcher? - I need some help
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• 2911[19:59:32] <cruncher> pldiem, many do, just explain your problem
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• 2913[19:59:35] <bin_bash> pldiem: don't ask to ask just ask
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• 2917[20:01:14] <pldiem> after today's update to 6.5.1 torbrowser-launcher stopped working, and I see no error when I try to run it from terminal
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• 2920[20:01:41] <pldiem> start-tor-browser runs fine
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• 2924[20:02:27] <pldiem> any ideas what have happened?
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• 2933[20:05:09] <pldiem> I reinstalled it and that didn't helped
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• 2935[20:05:36] <pldiem> maybe something with gpg keys?
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• 2941[20:06:34] <erore> During installation of debina, one can select the desktop environmnet, say KDE, but after selecting KDE, i can deselect the option Desktop environment while KDE keeps being selected. Does this have some special effect?
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• 2949[20:08:57] <Devastator> is there any factoid or wiki entry about how to create apache2 virtualhosts? I don't mind asking in apache channel, I'm just wondering
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• 2953[20:10:27] <bin_bash> ya in the apache wiki probably
• 2954[20:10:41] <bin_bash> if you google "apache vhosts" youll get what youre looking for most likely
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• 2958[20:11:19] <greycat> there's more than one way, but ultimately you need a file or symlink ending with .conf in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ which contains the vhost definition
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• 2961[20:11:44] <bin_bash> or wherever you've determined in your apache config.
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• 2963[20:11:47] <Devastator> bin_bash I actually found this one: replaced-url
• 2964[20:11:53] <greycat> I'm assuming a standard jessie config.
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• 2966[20:12:04] <Devastator> greycat yes
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• 2968[20:12:44] <greycat> You shouldn't change permissions without a compelling reason.
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• 2972[20:13:44] <Devastator> greycat that's what I thought, but doesn't hurt to ask, some guides can break your distro heheh
• 2973[20:13:50] <Devastator> or make it unsecure
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• 2980[20:15:08] <bin_bash> well in this case it's because you're creating the directories as root, but if you keep the permissions owned by root, then the webserver won't be able to access it
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• 2982[20:15:33] <greycat> That's nonsense.
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• 2985[20:15:57] <greycat> Now, if you meant WRITE TO IT, then yes, the web server won't be able to write to the directories where you have the web sites stored, which is usually a GOOD thing.
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• 2987[20:16:20] <bin_bash> it's also if you want your user to be able to modify files
• 2988[20:16:23] <bin_bash> not just root
• 2989[20:16:38] <greycat> If you are using some specific PHP application which wants to be able to modify itself, then just give write permissions to that one thing, not to the entire web document root.
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• 2992[20:17:05] <bin_bash> unless you want your user to be able to write to it
• 2993[20:17:25] <greycat> I use sudo vi for that.
• 2994[20:17:29] <hiyo777> hello, I have been having trouble geting iptables-peristent to work
• 2995[20:17:30] <bin_bash> ive never kept a site owned by root. ever. makes it annoying to upload content externally
• 2996[20:17:46] <bin_bash> especially because i don't allow root login via ssh or sftp
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• 2999[20:18:23] <hiyo777> Since it is now called netfilter-persistent in systemd, I have the issue that when the computer is booting up it will fail with this following line "/usr/share/netfilter-persistent/plugins.d/15-ip4tables exited with return code 1"
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• 3003[20:19:51] <usuario02> In debian jessie, there is a default "Print to File" printer (NOT the printer-driver-cups-pdf). I would like to know how to configure this virtual printer, so as to change the default printing path as well as preffixing the generated pdf file name with the computer's hostname
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• 3010[20:22:39] <korzybski> Good morning!
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• 3015[20:24:19] <amygoh> any
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• 3019[20:25:21] <amygoh> any spanish?
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• 3022[20:26:18] <oerheks> try #debian-es , amygoh
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• 3025[20:27:30] <usuario02> what is the name of the package that manages "Print to file" in jessie?
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• 3028[20:28:29] <greycat> In my case, google-chrome.
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• 3032[20:28:57] <amygoh> alguien?
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• 3036[20:29:33] <usuario02> greycat: yeah, google-chrome/firefox manage the virtual printer, but this printer is not within chrome itself. You can also access it via other apps like gimp, so it must be located somewhere else
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• 3111[21:03:31] <jhutchins_wk> !es
• 3112[21:03:32] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 3118[21:06:55] <fun> How to install debian in my new PC
• 3119[21:07:01] <fun> I have limited resources
• 3120[21:07:06] <bin_bash> what
• 3121[21:07:18] <fun> It's preinstalled with Fedora
• 3122[21:07:23] <teraflops> I dont get the limited resources bit
• 3123[21:07:31] <fun> I don't know commands for Linux
• 3124[21:07:36] <teraflops> fun: ah
• 3125[21:07:40] <fun> Hence I need GUI+ terminal
• 3126[21:07:52] <greycat> The regular way is to download a small-ish .iso image, burn it to a CD/DVD or write it to a USB thumb drive, and boot from that.
• 3127[21:08:09] <fun> I don't have blank USB drive
• 3128[21:08:09] <teraflops> fun: the installer has a fine GUI
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• 3130[21:08:18] <fun> My USB is filled with other data
• 3131[21:08:26] <bin_bash> fun: if it's pre-installed with fedora it should have a GUI
• 3132[21:08:30] <fun> Some space is free
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• 3134[21:08:43] <greycat> There's debootstrap to install Debian from another Linux, but I would not recommend it to an absolute beginner.
• 3135[21:08:45] <fun> bin_bash: guide me to switch to GUI
• 3136[21:08:54] <bin_bash> fun: startx
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• 3138[21:09:07] <teraflops> fun: or ask in fedora^
• 3139[21:09:11] <bin_bash> ^^
• 3140[21:09:22] <fun> bin_bash: I made them silent
• 3141[21:09:29] <bin_bash> what
• 3142[21:09:35] <fun> So it's debian turn
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• 3144[21:10:10] <fun> greycat: I want to see all available doors
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• 3146[21:10:17] <fun> Since limited resources
• 3147[21:10:23] <greycat> !install guide
• 3148[21:10:23] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 3149[21:10:26] <fun> Tell me the way you want me
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• 3151[21:10:48] <greycat> The install guide shown above is the official documentation with all the choices laid out.
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• 3154[21:11:29] <fun> There's no option for i5
• 3155[21:11:36] <bin_bash> im so confused
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• 3158[21:12:22] <greycat> Intel Core i5-* is just amd64.
• 3159[21:12:27] <fun> Ok
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• 3162[21:12:49] <fun> Debian is better than mint?
• 3163[21:12:55] <fun> Or Ubuntu?
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• 3166[21:14:00] <bin_bash> technically both mint and ubuntu are offshoots of debian. i believe mint uses the ubuntu repos, but there is alose LMDE which is Linux Mint Debian Edition, although idk if that project is still active
• 3167[21:14:18] <fun> Installer can reside into filled usb?
• 3168[21:14:38] <fun> Since my USB is filled with other data also
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• 3170[21:14:55] <fun> How to run installer from fedora terminal?
• 3171[21:15:02] <greycat> It would overwrite all the existing data on the USB device.
• 3172[21:15:13] <fun> I don't want to do it
• 3173[21:15:19] <greycat> The look into debootstrap.
• 3174[21:15:21] <greycat> Then*
• 3175[21:15:25] <fun> What's it
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• 3179[21:16:01] <greycat> Read the install guide.
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• 3185[21:19:02] <fun> greycat: I guess it needs to connect laptop with internet
• 3186[21:19:04] <fun> Is it?
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• 3188[21:19:13] <fun> How to connect?
• 3189[21:19:22] <fun> I don't have cable
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• 3191[21:19:30] <fun> My internet is from my phone only
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• 3193[21:19:33] <fun> Wireless
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• 3196[21:19:50] <greycat> Buy a Debian DVD and have it shipped to you.
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• 3199[21:20:13] <fun> It will take time
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• 3202[21:20:39] <fun> greycat: I want to return laptop if it's not meeting hardware requirement which I ordered
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• 3208[21:21:29] <fun> No cafe around greycat
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• 3229[21:28:58] <asked> hi all
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• 3239[21:32:20] <missmbob> any library
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• 3242[21:34:05] <bin_bash> what
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• 3250[21:37:36] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: Try a complete sentance.
• 3251[21:37:54] * teraflops smells buffer incident
• 3252[21:37:57] <TomTomTosch> it's a place with lots of books in it and often computers with internet connection.
• 3253[21:38:01] <missmbob> or you could scroll up to the very last conversation and make sense of it
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• 3256[21:38:35] <teraflops> xD
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• 3258[21:39:54] <teraflops> he have free internet in town squares and parks…
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• 3263[21:40:41] <teraflops> we*
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• 3269[21:44:01] <fun> missmbob: no library;I want to perform at my home
• 3270[21:44:39] <fun> I have wireless internet
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• 3391[22:32:23] <kaffien> does debian treat cronttab any differently than other distributions?
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• 3400[22:34:22] <jhutchins_wk> kaffien: There are differences in implementation across many distributions. Some use anacron, some chrony
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• 3402[22:35:01] <kaffien> i see well when i edit the crontab this is the code i use to launch my script and it is not working. Is there something I'm missing?
• 3403[22:35:03] <drab> hi, anybody knows how I can force debian installer to run in text mode? I tried DEBIAN_FRONTEND on the APPEND line for kernel parameters, but it still switched to graphical mode
• 3404[22:35:06] <kaffien> 55 9 * * * root /etc/cron.daily/lsmnasbackup
• 3405[22:35:10] <greycat> And debian uses Vixie cron.
• 3406[22:35:54] <greycat> kaffien: when you say "edit the crontab" do you mean you are editing the file named /etc/crontab, or are you running "crontab -e"? They have different fields.
• 3407[22:35:55] <missmbob> did you put that in user cron? or system?
• 3408[22:36:09] <drab> I'm testing some stuff with qemu, it boots up in text mode by passing novga text nomodeset, but when the installer kicks off I get back a "640x480 graphical mode"a nd can't see anything anymnore
• 3409[22:36:15] <drab> (qemu is running in -curses)
• 3410[22:36:17] <kaffien> in crontab
• 3411[22:36:22] <greycat> *sigh*
• 3412[22:36:31] <greycat> Which one?
• 3413[22:36:38] <kaffien> in the /etc/crontab
• 3414[22:36:40] <greycat> OK.
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• 3417[22:37:05] <greycat> I don't see why you're explicitly running a file that's in cron.daily but that syntax is correct for /etc/crontab
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• 3420[22:38:07] <greycat> This will attempt to execute the program named /etc/cron.daily/lsmnasbackup every day at 09:55 local time, in addition to whatever time cron.daily is normally run.
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• 3422[22:38:35] <greycat> (which by default is 06:25 local time, but you might have changed that)
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• 3429[22:40:15] <kaffien> so what is the preferred and proper way to run this script daily?
• 3430[22:40:32] <jhutchins_wk> kaffien: Leave it in /etc/cron.daily
• 3431[22:40:36] <greycat> Just having it in /etc/cron,daily should be enough.
• 3432[22:40:48] <kaffien> gotchya
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• 3434[22:41:53] <kaffien> is there anything that might prevent the daily scripts from running?
• 3435[22:42:15] <kaffien> because the whole reason i was doing this is, it was not running. testing the script manually works fine though
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• 3437[22:43:14] <greycat> The usual issue is a name with a dot in it, or anything else that run-parts does not like (see "man run-parts")
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• 3442[22:45:57] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 3459[22:51:09] <ioudas^working> I keep getting this error message after upgrading to jessie apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: which appears to be where it loads modules... specifically after i a2enmod php5
• 3460[22:51:13] <ioudas^working> what am i doing wrong?
• 3461[22:51:26] <greycat> I would start by reading line 140 of that file.
• 3462[22:51:38] <ioudas^working> I just said what was in the file there.
• 3463[22:51:41] <greycat> We can't possibly know what you've done wrong without seeing it.
• 3464[22:52:54] <missmbob> ioudas^working: also read this replaced-url
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• 3466[22:53:11] <jhutchins_wk> ioudas^working: Did you literally put a2enmod php5 in the conf file?
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• 3476[22:54:57] <kaffien> turns out it was not identifying it as a bash script. it runs now. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction greycat
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• 3480[22:55:28] <greycat> Shell scripts *must* begin with a correct shebang line.
• 3481[22:55:38] <missmbob> he said he tested it manually and it worked...
• 3482[22:55:47] <greycat> #!/bin/bash if you use bash features, or #!/bin/sh if you use standard POSIX sh only.
• 3483[22:56:07] <greycat> If testing manually means he ran it from bash, it would act differently than when run from a C program using exec*()
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• 3488[22:57:29] <greycat> When bash is told to run a command, it asks the kernel to execute it, but if that fails with ENOEXEC, bash will try *again* by forking a child bash process and passing the script as an argument.
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• 3490[22:57:47] <greycat> Other shells do the same thing, forking a copy of themselves.
• 3491[22:58:36] <ioudas^working> Blah i give up. thanks anyways.
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• 3494[22:59:17] <greycat> ioudas^working: sed -n 140p /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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• 3497[23:00:11] <kaffien> I put that line in still wasn't passing run-parts testing. i renamed it to lsmnasbackup.sh and it picked it up
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• 3499[23:00:21] <greycat> that's not right...
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• 3502[23:00:55] <greycat> head -n 1 /etc/cron.daily/lsmnasbackup | cat -e
• 3503[23:01:03] <greycat> let's verify the shebang
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• 3506[23:01:34] <quetu> z
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• 3508[23:01:52] <kaffien> the result is $
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• 3510[23:02:01] <greycat> Then you failed to give it a correct shebang.
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• 3512[23:02:06] <jelly> so, no shebang at all
• 3513[23:02:10] <greycat> #!/bin/bash if it's a bash script, or #!/bin/sh for an sh script.
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• 3516[23:02:22] <missmbob> sh == dash in debian
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• 3518[23:02:50] <jelly> missmbob, no, /bin/sh could be any posix compliant shell
• 3519[23:03:01] <greycat> it's dash by default, though
• 3520[23:03:05] <kaffien> it was set to sh .. i will try specifying bash
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• 3523[23:03:20] <greycat> kaffien: it's not "SET TO" anything! There is no "setting"!
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• 3525[23:03:30] <greycat> Your output from head -n 1 showed NO shebang.
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• 3527[23:03:51] <jelly> kaffien, it needs to be exactly the very first line
• 3528[23:03:55] <greycat> The shebang must be the FIRST line of the script and it must begin with the two characters #!
• 3529[23:04:14] <kaffien> yes that is what i referred to as set to
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• 3532[23:04:41] <kaffien> first line is set to #!/bin/sh
• 3533[23:05:06] <jelly> not according to your output of <greycat> head -n 1 /etc/cron.daily/lsmnasbackup | cat -e
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• 3536[23:05:39] <kaffien> now the line reads #!/bin/bash$
• 3537[23:05:43] <greycat> Good.
• 3538[23:05:50] <kaffien> when i run the snippet you asked me to run
• 3539[23:06:02] <greycat> Remove the .sh from the filename, and it might work now.
• 3540[23:06:13] <kaffien> I already removed it.
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• 3542[23:06:31] <kaffien> can you trigger cron to run a job via the command line?
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• 3546[23:07:00] <greycat> unfortunately nto
• 3547[23:07:01] <kaffien> or do i need to edit the times in crontab to temp run the dailies
• 3548[23:07:01] <greycat> not
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• 3551[23:07:10] <kaffien> ok
• 3552[23:07:13] <greycat> cron.daily runs based on the line in /etc/crontab
• 3553[23:07:50] <greycat> Probably wouldn't hurt to set it to 2 minutes from now and let them run again.
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• 3555[23:08:00] <missmbob> and you should probably remove the line you put in specifically for this script in /etc/crontab. just having it in cron.daily is enough
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• 3557[23:08:15] <greycat> logrotate is probably the only intrusive thing it does
• 3558[23:08:22] <kaffien> already removed it the first time you suggested to do so
• 3559[23:08:52] <bin_bash> i wish rm had --exclude
• 3560[23:08:52] <bin_bash> :(
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• 3562[23:09:06] <ryouma> use find
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• 3567[23:10:43] <maap> hello!
• 3568[23:10:48] <bin_bash> i just want to remove everything except one file. easier to just copy it out and then back lel
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• 3571[23:11:11] <maap> is there some sort of applet that pops up a notification when a new device or service is discovered via avahi?
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• 3577[23:13:33] <bin_bash> i think you can tie avahi into notifications like pynotify or xfnotify
• 3578[23:13:34] <bin_bash> whichever you use
• 3579[23:13:44] <bin_bash> although im not sure excactly how, i vaguely remember that it's possible
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• 3587[23:17:35] <kaffien> After removing the .sh, changing shebang, and altering the crontab to run the script a few minutes ago (and changing back to the proper time) the script tested good. Thank you greycat
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• 3595[23:20:06] <maap> maybe i can just parse the output of avahi-browse somehow.
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• 3599[23:20:42] <kaffien> how does crontab determine which script in the cron.daily folder to run first?
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• 3608[23:22:46] <TomTomTosch> the scripts are run in lexicographical order.
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• 3615[23:25:48] <kaffien> ok great.
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• 3625[23:37:38] <GayAssNIGGA> what's the difference between debian and linux?
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• 3633[23:40:33] <alekz> lol
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• 3636[23:41:53] <Nunwan> lol
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• 3644[23:44:38] <maap> in the absence of something prettier, this one-liner does the job: avahi-browse -al | while read LINE; do notify-send -- "MDNS event" "$LINE"; done
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• 3649[23:46:57] <missmbob> remember to explort display first for notify-send
• 3650[23:47:03] <missmbob> export*
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• 3660[23:51:03] <maap> good point. i run it from the X session though so everything is already set.
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