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0[00:00:07] <de-facto> can i use systemctl without dbus
somehow?
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2[00:01:21] <jmcnaught> crayon: if you're in gnome you
can do Alt+F2 and run 'lg' (short for looking glass) to
get a javascript console that has a windows tab
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5[00:04:52] <winsen> Hi all
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8[00:06:26] <winsen> can you please tell me how to fix the
grub using 2 servers windoz and debian? thanks
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11[00:07:30] <simonlnu> de-facto: no
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14[00:07:59] <jmcnaught> winsen: you'll probably need to
provide more information about what you're trying to do.
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15[00:08:33] <de-facto> simonlnu is there any alternative to
systemd in official debian yet?
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16[00:08:37] <arahael> winsen: also, "windoz"
doesn't exist. your spelling is a bit off.
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20[00:09:59] <jmcnaught> de-facto: sysvinit and upstart are
both available, but if running ls is taking a long time you probably
have an underlying problem. another init may or may not cope better
with whatever that problem is, but the problem will still be there
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21[00:10:07] <teraflops> winsen: also fix what? you didn't
describe the issue
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25[00:10:51] <simonlnu> nsswitch, or networking, or...
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26[00:11:26] <winsen> teraflos: I had probleme on grub
(multiboot, winserv +debian) can you tell me how to fixit
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28[00:11:41] <teraflops> winsen: again what's the problem?
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29[00:12:03] <simonlnu> !mindreaders
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30[00:12:17] <winsen> teraflos: again my system is not working
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32[00:12:29] <jelly> !ask
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33[00:12:29] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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35[00:12:37] <simonlnu> what. is. the. exact. problem?
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37[00:12:42] <teraflops> simonlnu: thanks heh
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39[00:12:55] <winsen> jelly: I did but it seems nobody wants to
read
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40[00:13:01] <teraflops> heh
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41[00:13:06] <markybob> okay. /ignore
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42[00:13:11] <teraflops> no wait
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43[00:13:11] <fxms> Hi there! Anybody knows what's
happening with the springseed repos/website?
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44[00:13:16] <nebg> hello everyone... if i do
"ifconfig" i see a network interface called veth... i used
for lxc but i don't know which process/daemon starts that...
how can i find out ?
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45[00:13:20] <simonlnu> winsen: we read, you didn't
explain enough.
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47[00:13:38] <jelly> winsen: maybe you did, but I can't
find it in the last hour
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48[00:13:50] * simonlnu doesn't see it either
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49[00:13:54] <de-facto> jmcnaught do you think if i switched
over to sysvinit i could still be able to manage services without
relying on too much dependencies (if this is somehow dbus related)?
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52[00:14:31] <arahael> de-facto: i think the init system you
use is completely unrelated to the performance of 'ls'.
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53[00:15:05] <de-facto> arahael yes, but "ls" still
works, systemctl wont
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55[00:15:10] <jmcnaught> de-facto: maybe, sysvinit does just
manage a bunch of scripts, but i think you'll still have
whatever the underlying problem is. did you try masking any of the
services before you rebooted? You don't need dbus up to do that
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56[00:15:19] <jelly> winsen: tyr more details, exact things you
tried, exact output (camera shorts of the screen, if nothing else)
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57[00:15:24] <simonlnu> i bet his dbus isn't starting
properly, so everything dependent on it grinds to a halt.
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60[00:15:49] <winsen> I have problem with grub, should I
reinstall grub from debian cd or...?
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61[00:16:02] <esainane> What kind of problem with grub?
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63[00:16:10] <jmcnaught> de-facto: is journalctl working at
all? can you find any clues in the syslog?
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66[00:16:37] <jmcnaught> winsen: what is the problem? saying
you have a problem doesn't tell us what the problem is.
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67[00:16:39] <jelly> winsen: you want to describe the
"problem with grub". Does the menu appear at all? Can you
edit the entries? Does booting an older kernel work?
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68[00:16:58] <esainane> Does it drop you to a grub> command
line? A grub (rescue)> command line? Do you see a menu at any
point? "A problem with grub" is very vague
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70[00:17:06] <teraflops> winsen: did you install windows and
then grub dissapeared?
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71[00:17:22] <teraflops> heh this is crazy
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72[00:17:36] <jelly> !doesn't work
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73[00:17:36] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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74[00:17:49] <arahael> winsen: as an example, is the problem
with grub something like: "Hi, i am using installed grub with
debian jessie. this server also has windows installed, and it is
booting windows by default. how can i get it to run linux by
default?"
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77[00:18:28] <simonlnu> *plonk*
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78[00:18:40] <arahael> blegh, i should proofread my grammar,
but the example stands.
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79[00:18:56] <winsen> teraflops: I installed debian at the end,
but when I upgraded windows server on same machine I can't
access to the Grub as I did before
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82[00:19:07] <crayon> how do i use apt to dist upgrade?
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84[00:19:46] <jmcnaught> crayon: what kind of upgrade are you
trying to do?
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85[00:19:54] <arahael> winsen:aha! did windows replace the boot
loader? (Ie, you don't have grub anymore?)
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86[00:20:00] <crayon> dist
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87[00:20:12] <teraflops> winsen: ah, well
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89[00:20:36] <winsen> arahael: yes the problem has to do with
Grub, after upgrading windoz server, I can't access to debian
from Grub as use to do
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90[00:20:36] <jmcnaught> crayon: as in... packages were held
back when you did security updates?
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91[00:20:43] <crayon> yes, sorry
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92[00:20:52] <winsen> arahael: I think you're right, how
to fix it?
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93[00:21:17] <teraflops> winsen: boot the debian iso into
rescue mode, click next next as in windows :P then pick the disk
with debian once in the shell reinstall grub
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94[00:21:24] <jmcnaught> crayon: "apt-get
dist-upgrade". but if you're trying to do a major release
upgrade that's something else
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97[00:21:33] <arahael> winsen: so it isn't that you have a
problem with grub... but that grub no-longer exists. do what
teraflops says.
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100[00:23:04] <crayon> jmcnaught, is there no way to do it via
apt directly?
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101[00:23:23] <winsen> arahael: i guess you mean since windoz
system removed the Grub(boot loader), I have to reinstall grub from
my debian cd... ?
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102[00:23:43] <jmcnaught> crayon: "man apt" talks
about a full-upgrade
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103[00:23:45] <markybob> crayon: man apt. apt dist-upgrade does
do the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade
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104[00:23:59] <winsen> teraflops: should I go right to the grub
and reinstall it or I need to reinstall all the system?
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105[00:24:58] <jmcnaught> winsen: you don't need to
reinstall the full system. as teraflops says the installer cd has a
rescue mode that lets you reinstall only grub
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106[00:25:02] <de-facto> jmcnaught yes journalctl is working,
disabled some units and try to reboot again
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107[00:25:10] <crayon> thanks wish me
luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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109[00:25:22] <jmcnaught> crayon: are you doing a major release
upgrade?
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110[00:25:28] <crayon> ya
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111[00:25:33] <arahael> winsen: windows has a nasty habit of
assuming that it is the only system in existence. it must have
updated it's boot loader, overwriting (removing) grub in the
process.
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112[00:25:53] <jmcnaught> crayon: to what? you definitely
shouldn't upgrade to testing or unstable if you needed to ask
this kind of question
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114[00:26:13] <jmcnaught> crayon: if you're upgrading to
jessie, you should follow the instructions in the release notes
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115[00:26:33] <de-facto> weird that systemd cant even reboot a
system i always manually have to invoke "/sbin/reboot -f"
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116[00:26:53] <winsen> teraflops:Thanks, so I need tpo boot with
my cd/dvd..on rescue mode and reinstall only grub.
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117[00:27:00] <jmcnaught> crayon: when i asked if you were
trying to upgrade packages held back during security updates you
said yes...
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118[00:27:34] <markybob> crayon: you really don't want to
do this
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119[00:27:45] <jmcnaught> de-facto: if journalctl is working,
what does "journalctl -u dbus" say? any clues there?
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120[00:28:01] <winsen> arahael: I guess, now all I have to do is
to reinstall the grub without loosing anything right?
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121[00:28:05] <markybob> crayon: and keep in mind if you listen
and do it anyway, this channel will no longer be where you get
support. you'll need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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122[00:28:06] <teraflops> winsen: yes!
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124[00:28:21] <winsen> teraflops: thanks
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125[00:28:27] <teraflops> winsen: np
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126[00:28:30] <markybob> crayon: don't* listen
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129[00:29:03] <winsen> thanks all
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131[00:30:04] <crayon> what's wrong
guys??????????????????????????????/
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132[00:30:21] <markybob> crayon: you not knowing how to type for
one
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133[00:30:32] <crayon> huh
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134[00:30:39] <TomTomTosch> crayon: answer the questions please.
from where to where do you want to upgrade?
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135[00:30:45] <markybob> crayon: to use testing you need to have
a basic working knowledge. you don't. it will break your system
and then complain to us
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136[00:30:51] <crayon> my home comp
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137[00:31:06] <TomTomTosch> crayon: from which release to which?
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138[00:31:58] <de-facto> jmcnaught it seems to be empty, i think
i give up for now, that box seems to be trash for some reason, i
shut it down and call my provider tomorrow :-//
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139[00:32:12] <crayon> i should be okay i think guys
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140[00:32:15] <crayon> dont worry
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141[00:32:18] <crayon> ill report back
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142[00:32:22] <jmcnaught> de-facto: they don't have a
ticket interface?
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143[00:32:27] <markybob> crayon: not here you won't. we
don't support testing here
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148[00:34:22] <de-facto> jmcnaught i dont think so
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150[00:34:52] <jmcnaught> de-facto: i would get a different
provider if you're having these kinds of problems and
there's no place to open a ticket about it
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154[00:36:30] <de-facto> jmcnaught they say use the contact form
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156[00:37:47] <winsen> teraflops: do you know if there is any
tool to create a buckup for both (windoz and debian+grub) in case?
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157[00:38:32] <jmcnaught> de-facto: if this system is important
i would do that then, it could be something like one of the other
VMs on the node is abusing resources. My only other suggestion is
that you have an automated way to deploy try to reproduce the
problem in a VM on your computer (for example run the
puppet/ansible/whatever locally to reproduce)
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158[00:38:42] <teraflops> winsen: dd
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159[00:38:50] <bazhang> winsen whats a buckup
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160[00:39:04] <bazhang> winsen drop the windowz
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161[00:39:21] <bazhang> winsen, it's WINDOWS
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162[00:39:47] <teraflops> winsen: dd for the mbr and/or the
partition table
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163[00:40:00] <teraflops> bazhang: let the guy be cool :P
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164[00:40:08] <luxio> daily reminder to `apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade && apt-get autoremove`
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166[00:40:23] <bazhang> winsen, you mean back up
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167[00:41:02] <teraflops> hey don't be picky :P
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168[00:41:23] <de-facto> jmcnaught i wish i had the install
automated somehow, i just have a full system backup on another
hostingspace
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169[00:41:40] <teraflops> bazhang: sorry i was joking
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170[00:41:59] <winsen> bazhang: yes
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171[00:42:23] <winsen> sorry
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174[00:42:28] <bazhang> try clonezilla winsen
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175[00:42:40] <bazhang> ,v clonezilla
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176[00:42:43] <teraflops> bazhang: for the mbr?
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177[00:42:44] <judd> Package: clonezilla on amd64 -- jessie:
3.10.11-1; sid: 3.10.11-3; stretch: 3.10.11-3
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178[00:42:46] <de-facto> jmcnaught any idea how it could be my
fault that I/O wait times are so high?
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179[00:42:48] <teraflops> hey use dd ...
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180[00:43:17] <bazhang> teraflops, he cant even spell windows,
seriously rethink recommending dd
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181[00:43:19] <winsen> bazhang: I thought cloezilla can do it
only for only one system at the same time not for 2 or more right?
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182[00:43:21] <teraflops> heh
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183[00:43:41] <bazhang> teraflops, used in a wrong fashion dd
can wreak havoc
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184[00:43:42] <jmcnaught> de-facto: no, i think it's a
problem with the host. but since you were so convinced it was
systemd earlier you could try to reproduce the problem locally
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185[00:44:07] <teraflops> bazhang: maybe he is not native
english, don't be picky
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186[00:44:16] <winsen> bazhang: do you think that I can clone
debian and windoz partition included grub?
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187[00:44:20] <de-facto> jmcnaught yeah i think making a full
copy inside a vm is a very good idea indeed
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188[00:44:28] <bazhang> teraflops, he wants to clone both
simultaneously
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191[00:45:09] <teraflops> winsen: what do you want to backup,
just grub and the parition table or the whole thing
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192[00:45:10] <bazhang> winsen seriously it's windoWs
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193[00:45:11] <teraflops> ?
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194[00:45:19] <jmcnaught> de-facto: even if you can't
reproduce this problem (because it's the host) you at least get
something you can test changes on before doing them in production
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196[00:46:08] <winsen> teraflops: I want to backup both debian
and windoz.
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203[00:47:23] <teraflops> winsen: yes you can, you can clone
whole disks with dd, you can use clonezilla, you can even clone
partitions etc.
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206[00:48:00] <de-facto> jmcnaught what approach would you
suggest to clone it to a vm (on my local system)?
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209[00:50:20] <jmcnaught> de-facto: not sure if your hosting
provider can give you a disk image. do you have documentation of
everything that is installed? if you've done everything by
hand, you might need to do it by hand locally to try and reproduce.
or start learning ansible, puppet, saltstack or chef
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211[00:50:41] <arahael> bazhang: it is irritating that he
persistently misspells windows, but there are more important
considerations going on.
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217[00:53:10] <de-facto> jmcnaught yeah when i reinstall it
(which i might :-((), i def will look into automation, but for now i
want to have a local vm of it which is as close as possible to it.
on the vps i cannot export snapshots, but i can boot from preconf cd
images (e.g. GParted Live CD, System Rescue CD 4.2.0 and such)
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218[00:53:43] <de-facto> for debian they just provide netinstall
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221[00:54:46] <winsen> teraflops: sorry, I am back, I had a
phone call, what is "dd"?
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223[00:55:09] <jmcnaught> de-facto: i don't imagine copying
the entire disk image over the internet would be very fast or
reliable but you could probably give it a try. if the host node is
struggling right now it could take a very long time
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225[00:56:36] <teraflops> winsen: I think we have reached the
point fomr which you have to do your own research. you already have
the info
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227[00:56:40] <teraflops> from*
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230[00:57:18] <teraflops> dd, clonezilla, mbr, patition table
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231[00:57:25] <teraflops> backups
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232[00:57:42] <winsen> teraflops: I asked you just to tell me
what is "dd" I don't know this tool?
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233[00:58:14] <teraflops> !dd
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234[00:58:14] <dpkg> it has been said that dd is an abbreviation
for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and
conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to
produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an
image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>,
<gddrescue>. <pv>
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236[00:59:22] <markybob> winsen: you can google. help yourselvf.
that's what he meant. easy to find out what it is
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237[00:59:56] <winsen> teraflops: ok, I'll see thanks for
all
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239[01:00:26] <winsen> Thanks all
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240[01:00:42] <bazhang> welcome winsen
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242[01:01:07] <teraflops> winsen: np
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250[01:04:47] <aguitel> when the stretch become stable ?
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252[01:04:54] <markybob> aguitel: spring 2017
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253[01:04:59] <dvs> !wwsr
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254[01:04:59] <dpkg> Hang on.... we've only just released
jessie!
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256[01:05:15] <teraflops> !when
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257[01:05:15] <dpkg> Now!
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261[01:05:34] <aguitel> ok
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277[01:16:15] <Lady_Aleena> Hello, I just tried to update, and
I'm getting the following warning and error (if W stands for
warning, and E stands for error.)
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279[01:16:38] <Lady_Aleena> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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280[01:16:48] <Lady_Aleena> E: Some index files failed to
download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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281[01:16:55] <Lady_Aleena> When I tried again...
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282[01:17:01] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: mozilla.debian.net
swtiched to firefox
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283[01:17:01] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, no more weasels, only foxes
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284[01:17:10] <teraflops> :S
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286[01:17:25] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena:
replaced-url
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287[01:17:26] <Lady_Aleena> same thing...
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289[01:17:43] <Lady_Aleena> Where is the sources file again?
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290[01:17:55] <luxio> Lady_Aleena: /etc/apt/sources.list
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291[01:18:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: either /etc/atp/sources.list
for the main one, though sometimes they are put in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory
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292[01:18:04] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, they've changed the
sources.list
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298[01:21:20] <Lady_Aleena> So change the last line in
sources.list (line 5 here)
replaced-url
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299[01:21:38] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: yes
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300[01:21:40] <Lady_Aleena> Do I need to uninstall iceweasel and
install firefox?
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301[01:21:53] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you don't have to do it
in that order, but you should isntall iceweasel
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302[01:22:04] <somiaj> (I think the packages can live side by
side)
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303[01:22:16] <somiaj> and Imean uninstall (not install)
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304[01:22:28] * Lady_Aleena face palms.
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305[01:22:45] <dvs> Lady_Aleena, you should uninstall iceweasel
because it will no longer be updated.
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306[01:22:56] <teraflops> if you uninstall iceweasel gnome will
complain, does firefox fulfill the gnome deps as icewesel do?
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307[01:22:59] <dvs> as somiaj said (sorta ;-)
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308[01:23:07] <Lady_Aleena> So Firefox install will not
overwrite or change the Iceweasel install?
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309[01:24:07] * Lady_Aleena wishes she were more savvy nano right now.
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312[01:24:52] <teraflops> I do crtl+x in vim and :+wq in nano
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313[01:24:54] <somiaj> teraflops: in sid, firefox-esr: Provides:
gnome-replaced-url
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314[01:25:09] <teraflops> somiaj: ah nice
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315[01:25:11] <somiaj> teraflops: I don't know what the
gnome depends in jessie is, but if it is gnome-replaced-url
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316[01:25:34] <teraflops> somiaj: it pulls from gnome core and
other one if I remember well
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317[01:26:02] <somiaj> teraflops: I would assume it should work,
but unsure at the jessie level as I'm not on jessie or use
gnome.
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320[01:26:21] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have Gnome.
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321[01:26:32] <teraflops> somiaj: yeah thanks
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322[01:26:37] <pink_vampire> hiii
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324[01:26:58] <Lady_Aleena> So now update and firefox will be
installed automatically or do I need to install it first then
update?
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326[01:27:19] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you will need to install the
new firefox pacakage as the instructions at mozilla.debian.net
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327[01:27:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: then you will want to
uinstall your iceweasel package.
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328[01:27:38] <Lady_Aleena> What does the -t do?
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329[01:28:02] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: it raising the priority of
the jessie-backports repo to tell apt that it is okay to install
this package from jessie-backports
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331[01:28:33] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: by default apt will not
install stuff from the jessie-backports repo unless you include that
flag (though once installed, apt will keep it upgraded from the
jessie-backports repo)
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332[01:29:17] <jmcnaught> I don't think there is any need
to remove the iceweasel package, at least for me after install
firefox-esr from mozilla.d.n it also updated the iceweasel
package's version number. removing iceweasel could remove a
meta-package
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333[01:29:30] <teraflops> jmcnaught: in jessie?
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334[01:29:36] <Lady_Aleena> And "Package firefox is not
available, but is referred to by another package."
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335[01:30:04] <somiaj> jmcnaught: ahh, wasn't sure if m.d.n
was goign to use a transitional package in their repo or not. Last I
saw (when this first hit) was it didn't.
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336[01:30:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you ran apt-get update after
changing your sources.list?
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338[01:30:30] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, yes.
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339[01:30:35] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: pastebin your apt-get
command and your sources.list
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340[01:30:38] <Lady_Aleena> I mean no!
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341[01:30:42] <markybob> okay then
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343[01:31:21] <dvs> maybe?
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344[01:31:22] <jmcnaught> teraflops: yes in jessie
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345[01:31:38] <teraflops> ah, nice
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346[01:31:58] <jmcnaught> i'm not sure what the case is for
the firefox package since it's a different repo line, but for
firefox-esr keep the iceweasel package around (for metapackages that
depend on it)
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347[01:32:17] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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348[01:32:49] <sebboh> My laptop freezes when I close the lid.
Or when I push the lid button with a pen knife while I leave the lid
open. I watch it... Screen goes blank and there is no hdd activity
light and the capslock button stops responding. After this, I gotta
hold down the power button till it clicks off.
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349[01:32:51] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: i assume it worked after
apt-get update ?
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350[01:33:05] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I have no run apt-get
update yet.
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351[01:33:11] <Lady_Aleena> s/no/not/;
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352[01:33:16] <teraflops> jmcnaught: I saw it symlinked to
firefox-real or something like that, sorry I dont have access to
that system right now
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354[01:33:20] <Lady_Aleena> ... since changing it.
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355[01:33:32] <sebboh> What is handling the lid button? What is
the lid button tied to? Is this a "special" keyboard
button, or an acpi button, or what?>
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357[01:33:39] <somiaj> sebboh: sounds like something is not
working with suspending the machine. I would check your logs to see
what is happening when it tries to suspend (though usually it is the
resume) that went wrong.
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358[01:33:49] <Lady_Aleena> So, run apt-get update first, then
install firefox, right?
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359[01:33:50] <jmcnaught> teraflops: i'm just saying we
don't need to tell people to remove the iceweasel package is
all
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361[01:33:56] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: yes
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362[01:34:06] <somiaj> sebboh: its part of acpi, systemd/udev I
think is what is listening for it and triggering the suspend eevent.
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363[01:34:25] <sebboh> ok, how do I change what happens when I
close the lid? I can solve the problem later, preventing the crash
is fine for now.
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365[01:34:59] <jmcnaught> sebboh: if you're on jessie with
systemd you can edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set
HandleLidSwitch=ignore (and then "systemctl restart
systemd-logind")
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366[01:35:03] <sebboh> wait... systemd. crap, I remember this
whole problem now. This is not the first time I've worked on
this.
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367[01:35:14] <Lady_Aleena> GUH! So many packages to update!!!
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369[01:35:22] <sebboh> jmcnaught: ... ok, maybe it's not so
much of a problem.
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370[01:35:26] <somiaj> sebboh:
replaced-url
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371[01:35:35] <sebboh> somiaj: thanks.
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372[01:35:43] <teraflops> jmcnaught: ah sure
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373[01:35:45] <somiaj> sebboh: the first answer seems reasonable
and I think will work in debian (not posible)
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374[01:36:10] * Lady_Aleena can't remember the last time she
updated.
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376[01:36:13] <somiaj> sebboh: in the comments to the question
is a debian 8 jessie command to mask all the processes that would
trigger a suspend.
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380[01:36:47] <sebboh> mask? Sorry I'll fire up a browser
shortly.
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381[01:37:02] <somiaj> sebboh: it is systemd slang to mean
'completely ignore these units'
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382[01:37:06] <Lady_Aleena> 224 packages gotten
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383[01:37:42] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: you probably just got the
libc6 security fix then. so you'll want to reboot.
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384[01:37:57] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, what is libc6?
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385[01:38:12] <sebboh> somiaj: I mean, who should ignore --- oh,
systemd. ... processes means some systemd config item, I trust?
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386[01:38:17] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: uh...basically it's
one of the core libraries that make your system work.
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387[01:38:25] <somiaj> sebboh: that link has two solutions, the
main one is disable just the lid button, the side comment should
disable systemd trigering susupend in other ways too.
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388[01:38:38] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, so one of those things I
don't think about normally.
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389[01:38:45] <sebboh> somiaj: ok, thanks.
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390[01:38:51] <somiaj> sebboh: yea, systemctl controls systemd,
and the command tells systemd to ignore them (which is a very strong
way of turing them off)
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391[01:39:00] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: right.
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392[01:39:07] <somiaj> sebboh: this is more useful for thigns
that get 'triggered' vs a service that can just be
enabled/disabled
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393[01:39:37] <sebboh> somiaj: I was quite comfortable with udev
and even its predecessor.
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399[01:40:41] <somiaj> sebboh: I am growign to like systemd, I
find it nice to contorl things. But I'm still learning how it
works.
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402[01:41:23] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, my updates stopped here ->
replaced-url
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404[01:41:50] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: hit q
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405[01:42:11] <jmcnaught> or you know, read about the changes
because they could be worth knowing
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407[01:42:18] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, thanks,,,
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408[01:42:44] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I read it.
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411[01:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> I feel I don't know 95% of what
is installed on my system.
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418[01:46:15] <sebboh> Lady_Aleena: you and me both. I
can't remove systemd without understanding the ramifications
that has on polkit. ...wtf is pol kit? I am either me, or root, and
I know how to change the permissions on everything under /dev/, so
what the heck is polkit supposed to do?
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419[01:46:26] <Lady_Aleena> No wonder it is taking so long. It
is updating LibreOffice.
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421[01:46:55] <jmcnaught> sebboh: why do you want to remove
systemd?
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430[01:49:16] <sebboh> My first nix machine was LFS--followed by
Slackware when that failed horribly, followed by LFS again, followed
by Debian when I observed that --- because it's my fucking
computer and I never told it to do ANYTHING when I closed the lid.
The lid switch is a piece of plastic that provides input. My system
should respond to input as instructed. Anyway... As I was saying, I
switched to debian because hundreds of people that think like me
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431[01:49:16] <sebboh> built a better system than I could build
on my own. Well that was .. crap, 13 years ago?
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432[01:49:22] <Lady_Aleena> What is samba anyway?
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433[01:49:42] <tremon> sebboh: polkit is for
enhancing/subverting the unix access controls. For example, Gnome
people want to make sure that you can access a plugged-in usb disk
when you're at the console, but not when you're logged in
remotely
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434[01:49:46] <sebboh> samba is an implementation of the SMB
protocol which supports things like windows files shares.
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435[01:49:48] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about samba
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436[01:49:50] <guest4454> pencilandpaper: Long time, how are
you?
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441[01:50:45] <sebboh> tremon, well that's silly because I
am me whether I am at home or away. Anyway I'm feeling grumpy
so I don't belong here right now so I'll see ya'll
later.
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442[01:50:47] <tremon> and since Gnome people can't write a
pam plugin to do that, we end up with consolekit/polkit/logind
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446[01:51:00] <pencilandpaper> Doing alright myers001 , how
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449[01:52:17] <pencilandpaper> Good to hear. :)
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452[01:52:32] <pencilandpaper> Are you in #debian-offtopic as
well myers001 ?
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453[01:53:02] <myers001> no pencilandpaper, first time i have
visited here
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508[02:22:56] <Lady_Aleena> EEK! Another problem...Mismatched
nvidia kernel module loaded. The NVIDIA driver that is being
installed (version 340.96) does not match the nvidia kernel module
currently loaded (version 340.65). The X server, OpenGL, and GPGPU
applications may not work properly. The easiest way to fix this is
to reboot the machine once the installation has finished. You can
also stop the X server (usually by stopped the login manager, e.g.
gdm3, kdm, or
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509[02:22:57] <Lady_Aleena> xdm), manually unload the module
("rmmod nvidia"), and restart the X server. <OK>
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512[02:24:51] <Lady_Aleena> Now, can someone please tell me what
is going on here? How could there be a mismatched nvidia kernel
module? What is the X server? Do I just push <OK> and leave it
be and hope my monitor still works?
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515[02:27:35] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: x server is what gives you
graphics. and it's pretty easy. hit okay and reboot once the
upgrade is done like the text says.
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518[02:28:08] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, so don't worry about
it then. It will fix itself on reboot?
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519[02:28:27] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: hopefully. it should.
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520[02:28:40] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, okeydokey.
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525[02:29:28] <Lady_Aleena> s/in/on/;
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592[03:07:02] <Tipping_Fedora> hey everyone, Can someone help
me?
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593[03:07:05] <Tipping_Fedora>
replaced-url
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600[03:09:43] <gmbs> Is mirrors.cat.pdx.edu down? How else
should I get debian security updates?
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653[03:41:30] <locrian9> Can someone verify if I'm
downloading the correct .iso file? I need "debian 4.0 etch for
i386". Appears that there's a mirror hosting this at Index
of /mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/iso-dvd
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654[03:41:34] <locrian9> ? Name Last modified Size
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655[03:41:44] <abrotman> locrian9: why would you download a
version that old?
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657[03:42:14] <locrian9> There's a machine with a program
that would need to run off that version.
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658[03:42:17] <abrotman> anyway, we'd need the full URL to
the one you're download
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665[03:43:52] <locrian9> Wasn't sure what the
"netinst.iso" was.
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666[03:44:23] <markybob> you don't want netinst for etch.
you want a full cd
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667[03:45:01] <locrian9> Alright, I'll keep searching the
web.
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670[03:46:42] <markybob> i really don't know where
you'd find one :/
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673[03:46:51] <abrotman> Ido ..
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674[03:47:04] <markybob> in abrotman we trust
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677[03:47:22] <abrotman> I keep things up there ..
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680[03:47:39] <abrotman>
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681[03:47:45] <abrotman> That's the best you'll get
that I know to find easily
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684[03:47:56] <abrotman> you can use archive.debian.org to get
to the "newest" version of etch
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691[03:49:55] <locrian9> abrotman: Appreciate it.
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692[03:50:26] <markybob> yes, abrotman, you better appreciate
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698[03:53:21] <abrotman> also, whatever app that is should be
taken out back and shot ..
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717[04:03:14] <locrian9> abrotman: I found a link, but is there
a specific .iso I should download? It's showing CD-1, CD-2,
CD-3, etc. Looks like they're all about ~640MB each.
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722[04:05:06] <dvs> debian-40r9-i386-netinst.iso
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729[04:07:50] <locrian9> dvs: markybob said I don't want
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733[04:09:15] <dvs> locrian9, if you want the full distribution,
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734[04:11:11] <locrian9> dvs: Cool. I've got a 38GB USB
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819[05:01:35] <pbase> anyone using a conexant smartaudio hd chip
20585 ?
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841[05:11:43] <mlin112> anyone know how i can get audio device
numbers? the instructions i found said to use lsdev. but the command
isn't working for me
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842[05:11:46] <mlin112> lsdev in and out
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850[05:18:22] <jmcnaught> mlin112: what do you mean audio device
number? "lspci -nn" can show the pci-id. "aplay
-l" can show the ALSA card number. "pacmd list-cards"
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878[05:30:59] <cluelessperson> Hi all, when I use DD to copy, or
if maybe unplug USB drive while machine is suspended, the system
will still show /dev/sdb even though it doesn't exist. If I try
to connect the usb storage drive, it isn't detected until I
reboot the system. How can I reset the USB subsystem without
rebooting?
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898[05:42:32] <aypea[1]> is it possible to set a per-user
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902[05:45:01] <aypea[1]> pingfloyd: saw that. realised it was
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904[05:46:00] <mcordingley> Hi pkexec is giving me this error:
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GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for
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905[05:46:17] <mcordingley> I don't even know where to
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922[05:54:29] <markybob> i just saw the mini-debconf video about
secure boot. so excited :P
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945[06:08:16] <eb0t> this open suse is looking good on the
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951[06:10:00] <eb0t> oh sorry wrong room
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954[06:10:09] <pingfloyd> aypea[1]: I can't remember if it
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956[06:11:20] <aypea[1]> yeah it does, if you tell it to.
unfortunately it remembers the last selection when logging in,
instead of resetting to a safe default so I wound up logging in with
gnome (what the last user used) rather than xfce. :/
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961[06:13:08] <jml2> aypea[1], ~/.dmrc
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963[06:13:29] <aypea[1]> jml2: it was overriden.
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964[06:13:39] <jml2> aypea[1], so make it root-only
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982[06:27:09] <W8TVI> so I'm trying to install jessie on an
hp g6 series laptop (used unetbootin, told it debian, and the
hdmedia sub option, and placed the first iso on the root of the
flashdrive). so far so good. now it's telling me it need the
firmware files for my wifi and nic. I've tried placing the
requested files in the root dir of a fat32 formated 32gb usb drive,
in the /firmware folder, and just extracted the entire contents of
non-free firmware
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983[06:27:09] <W8TVI> tarball to the root of the drive (so it
recreated the directory tree of the archive). the installer still
refuses to use the files.
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984[06:27:31] <W8TVI> it just comes back to asking me if I want
it to look for them on removable media again.
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986[06:28:35] <W8TVI> (and it is asking for
rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw and rt2860.bin
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989[06:29:31] <markybob> !unetbootin
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990[06:29:31] <markybob> W8TVI: don't do that. it breaks
shit
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991[06:29:31] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
replaced-url
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992[06:29:41] <markybob> W8TVI: ^
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994[06:30:32] <markybob> W8TVI: so you're trying to make a
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995[06:30:37] <W8TVI> ues
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996[06:30:39] <W8TVI> yes
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998[06:31:04] <W8TVI> I don't have a linux box available to
create one right now.
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999[06:31:09] <markybob> !win32diskimager
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1000[06:31:09] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
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1001[06:31:27] <markybob> W8TVI: and since you need firmware you
want to use the firmware installer.
replaced-url
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1004[06:33:26] <W8TVI> markybob: so don't use the ISO I
already downloaded, and instead use that ISO?
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1005[06:33:34] <markybob> W8TVI: correct
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1027[06:43:16] <W8TVI> markybob: Thanks, it's working. Now I
wonder why my trackpad isn't working in the GUI installer... my
USB mouse works fine.
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1030[06:46:25] <markybob> W8TVI: i've never used gui
installer in my life. maybe it'll work once it's fully
installed. my laptop has a f3 key that turns the trackpad on/off.
maybe that works?
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1032[06:47:06] <W8TVI> yeah, not worried right now.
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1043[06:51:23] <W8TVI> man... my MS surface pro 2 has me spoiled
by its boot speed
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1053[06:55:27] <jml2> W8TVI, it would be easier for you because
non-free is included on the cdrom-- if you need to install things
with apt-get/aptitude it'll ask to have the CD or usb plugged
in
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1102[07:28:57] <iKarith> Don't suppose anyone can suggest a
relatively n00b-friendly console Twitter client, preferably
alreadyin stable? I don't really twit, but I was asked to look
into it, so I'm looking. :)
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1103[07:32:10] <jml2> iKarith, when you say "console"
you mean command-line ?
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1111[07:36:56] <jml2> iKarith, bash twitter idiocy
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1112[07:36:58] <jml2> lol
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1134[07:51:32] <arahael> How do I install gcc and g++
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1135[07:51:37] <arahael> Man pages, that is.
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1142[07:54:55] <jmcnaught> arahael: some of the GNU documentation
like gcc-4.9-doc is in non-free
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1143[07:55:24] <arahael> How wonderfully ironic.
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1149[07:57:58] <arahael> Just found:
replaced-url
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1150[07:58:04] <arahael> I guess it does make sense. Thanks. :)
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1151[07:58:07] <iKarith> bleh, what a time to get a phone call :P
Yes, I meant command-line, terminal, ssh, whatever. :)
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1153[07:59:03] <iKarith> And yes, FDL poses some problems :)
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1174[08:10:06] <shibly> Hi
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1175[08:10:15] <shibly>
replaced-url
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1177[08:10:29] <shibly> If i do this: update-rc.d <daemon>
enable
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1178[08:10:41] <shibly> Then what will happen?
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1180[08:11:01] <shibly> There are some options for a script, like
start,stop,restart,reload,status
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1186[08:11:32] <shibly> So if i do update-rc.d <daemon>
enable , then which option will occur ? Will it stop or start or
restart?
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1188[08:11:59] <shibly> update-rc.d <daemon> enable , this
doesn't say anything about start,stop,restart,reload,status
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1189[08:12:11] <jmcnaught> shibly: if you are on Jessie using
systemd (the default) it would be better to use "systemctl
enable <service>" which makes it start at boot, but does
not start it right away
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1192[08:13:03] <shibly> Scripts will be in /etc/init.d
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1197[08:13:51] <jmcnaught> shibly: systemd treats those init
scripts the same as its native service units. are you on jessie, or
wheezy still?
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1198[08:13:51] <shibly> service <script> start and
systemctl enable <service> are these same?
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1199[08:14:03] <shibly> Jessie
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1200[08:14:40] <jmcnaught> shibly: yes, if you read
/usr/sbin/service you'll see it's just a wrapper around
systemctl
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1202[08:15:22] <shibly> But to run systemctl enable
<service> i need to put the service unit in
/etc/systemd/system instead of in /etc/init.d , right?
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1204[08:16:24] <pingfloyd> shibly: you have to create a unit file
if there isn't one
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1206[08:16:40] <jmcnaught> shibly: no systemd is backwards
compatible with init scripts in /etc/init.d. The service units that
go in /etc/systemd/system have a different format (which is much
easier to write)
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1207[08:17:06] <pingfloyd> systemctl creates a symlink to
existing unit files
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1271[08:52:32] <hellyeah> yo
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1273[08:52:51] <hellyeah> i have a problem with my 3g modem it is
usb mode vodafone
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1274[08:53:04] <hellyeah> i have to unlock from windows for using
in the debian
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1275[08:53:11] <hellyeah> is there any known issue about that?
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1277[08:55:05] <suexec> hellyeah, you will have to elaborate
mate. That's a bit vague. "Unlock from windows"?
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1278[08:55:25] <cred> this might help hellyeah
replaced-url
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1280[08:55:35] <cred> if it's a sim lock try mmcli
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1282[08:55:59] <cred> if you want people to help you please
supply the relevant lsusb output
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1302[09:03:53] <hellyeah> creat: first i needd to connect in
windows
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1304[09:04:11] <hellyeah> creat: then i can use it in debian
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1305[09:04:25] <hellyeah> creat: if i didnt do sim unlock from
windows i cannot use in debian ever
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1333[09:17:31] <cafuego> ,v mmcli
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1334[09:17:33] <judd> No package named 'mmcli' was
found in amd64.
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1335[09:17:36] <cafuego> aww
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1360[09:26:59] <hmir> Hi guys. Not sure if this is a debian
sepcific question but;
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1364[09:27:25] <hmir> Using dpkg-reconfigure console-setup allows
me to change the font and font size of the teminal.
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1365[09:27:54] <hmir> But I only have 3-4 choices for fonts, and
their respective font sizes. I am visually impaired and need the
font size to be bigger. Advice?
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1371[09:31:35] <cafuego> hmir: I *think* you can change the
terminal resolution at bootup, by passing a boot param for the
framebuffer console.
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1374[09:34:21] <hmir> Is there a way to maybe import more fontz
for dpkg-reconfigure to set
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1382[09:36:43] <cafuego> hmir: If I choose 'Terminus'
as font, I can pick some larger sizes
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1388[09:37:42] <cafuego> 16x32 is the biggest available on that
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1392[09:40:19] <hmir> cafuego: I need them to a bit larger than
that Terminus allows. =(
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1404[09:45:39] <cafuego> hmir: I think you'll prolly need to
change the console resolution then, I can't find any info about
larger fonts.
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1408[09:46:22] <hmir> How would you go about doing that, is there
a tutorial I can use?
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1409[09:46:46] <cafuego> hmir: Generally do do it via a kernel
boot param.
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1411[09:48:16] <hmir> Ah, okay.
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1412[09:48:27] <hmir> I have a question regarding the Debian
Installer Stretch Alpha 5 release
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1413[09:48:34] <cafuego> hmir: You should have some info about
the current size in your `dmesg' output.
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1414[09:48:51] <cafuego> dmesg | grep -i 'frame buffer'
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1415[09:48:55] <hmir> It's a DVD, and I created a boot USB.
In the boot options, I do not see anywhere where I can set the
desktop environment to install.
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1418[09:49:02] <fernando> Hi
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1420[09:49:26] <fernando> Could someone help me with some audio
issues? I am a bit desperate
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1427[09:51:20] <hmir> It says "Alternatively, go to
"Advanced options" then "Alternate desktop
environments", and choose Xfce there. "
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1428[09:51:38] <hmir> But that option is not present with this
stretch alpha 5 testing dvd.
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1430[09:51:39] <hellyeah> gdebi still works
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1449[09:58:11] <Cloudwalker42> I have just one question. One of
my system had a full hard disk. If I run "df -h" it
returns that this hard disk is 100% in use. Now I was able to delete
some files and my 126G disk is now 122G in use. But I wonder why the
percentage is still on 100%.
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1450[09:58:30] <Cloudwalker42> Can someone explain :D ?
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1452[09:59:04] <hmir> Question: When I install debian from the
usb, it says I need non-free ralink drivers and asks if I want to
load them from usb. I select no. After the system is installed. can
I change the sources.list to add non-free, and then when I
update/upgrade, will it automatically install the missing drivers?
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1453[09:59:14] <hmir> Cloudwalker42: Have you emptied the bin?
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1456[10:00:26] <neoncortex> how can you have a half hard disk?
o.O
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1461[10:00:46] <Cloudwalker42> hmir: I emptied folders with
mysqldumps. There is only one partion "xvda".
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1462[10:00:55] <Cloudwalker42> neoncortex: Its a xen DomU
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1463[10:01:02] <neoncortex> i see
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1478[10:11:10] <hmir> Is there a debian install ISO which is xfce
only, has debian testing, and includes non-free firmware?
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1495[10:18:37] <bollo> hmir,
replaced-url
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1500[10:20:52] <hmir> Thanks, bollo.
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1502[10:21:28] <hmir> I figured out that what you can do is just
download the non-free firmware tarball/zip and extract it to the
/firmware directory of your install medium i.e. usb.
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1503[10:21:45] <hmir> And during installation, it will look in
that directory and automatically select and install the needed
firmware.
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1506[10:24:10] <hmir> bollo: Is there a huge difference between
installing testing from a weekly build as opposed to the stretch
alpha builds?
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1508[10:25:10] <bollo> hmir,
replaced-url
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1509[10:25:45] <hmir> bollo: I've read the page, but
I'm not sure how that relates to my last question?
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1510[10:25:50] <TomTomTosch> first you shouldn't be using
the live cd for installing. netinst is what you want.
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1511[10:26:01] <bollo> hmir, I don't know I use jessie
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1512[10:26:07] <TomTomTosch> !testing installer
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1513[10:26:08] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is
for testing the <installer>, not for installing
<testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using
the <stable> installer and ask me about
<stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against
the debian-installer pseudopackage.
replaced-url
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1516[10:26:22] <hmir> TomTomTosch: I get where you're coming
from, but I really do not want to pull down an entire system over
the network.
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1517[10:26:36] <hmir> I don't limited bandwidth and data
caps.
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1519[10:27:20] <hmir> TomTomTosch: Are you saying that the
stretch alpha 5 is ALSO for testing just the installer?????
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1523[10:27:59] <hmir> Because that's not what their page
says.
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1527[10:29:35] <themill> I don't know that the stretch alpha
image actually works at all at this stage; they tend to break fairly
quickly as the system to be installed changes
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1533[10:30:23] <bollo> hmir, you should use stable for install
and then go from there to whatever you want to use
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1537[10:32:45] <hmir> Well, what I want is xfce 4.12 which
doesn't come with debian 8, but omes with testing.
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1538[10:32:47] <TomTomTosch> "but I really do not want to
pull down an entire system over the network." - my point was,
don't use the live cd to install. use the installer
netinst/cd/dvd.
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1540[10:33:12] <hmir> TomTomTosch: Yes, of course I wouldn't
install the system with a live cd.
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1541[10:33:45] <TomTomTosch> hmir: i was referring to the link
bollo posted.
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1542[10:33:55] <hmir> Yes, I know.
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1543[10:34:00] <TomTomTosch> :)
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1546[10:35:36] <hmir> I will be using the Stretch Alpha 5 dvd-1
for install, and have the non-free firmware in the /firmware folder
to be installed as needed. As for xfce, it says somewhere that xfce
is the default desktop it installs, and I dont see an option to
specifically select it at the beginning like you do with Debian
Jessie/Wheezy. But I will add the "desktop=xfce" to the
command line just inc ase.
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1552[10:37:19] <bollo> hmir, you're making it way more
complicated than it actually is
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1553[10:37:57] <bollo> hmir, use to stable netinstall iso with
firmware and choose xfce as desktop environment during install
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1559[10:38:19] <bollo> hmir, then upgrade you're system to
stretch after install
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1562[10:39:22] <hmir> But that then pulls all the updates/testing
down the internet.
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1564[10:40:13] <hmir> Also, you said the netinstall iso. The
netinstall isos include desktops?
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1567[10:40:38] <bollo> hmir, whichever way you choose to do it
you will at some point have to download it
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1569[10:41:10] <bollo> hmir, you choose the de during install
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1570[10:41:47] <hmir> But the netinstall iso doesn't include
it, so it pulls it down over the internet during install?
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1572[10:42:00] <bollo> hmir, yes correct
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1573[10:42:13] <hmir> Ny internet isn't stable enough for
that!
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1574[10:42:51] <themill> you can just put the relevant firmware
on a usb stick and then pop it in during the installation. Or, if
possible, just complete the installation without it and then deal
with it later
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1576[10:43:30] <hmir> themill: You can put the firmware in the
/firmware folder of your install medium.
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1578[10:43:38] <hmir> Problem solved!
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1579[10:43:40] <bollo> hmir, OK I suppose you could use a 8.4 iso
with xfce and put the firmware on a separate stick
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1581[10:44:12] <hmir> No need for a separate stick.
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1585[10:46:03] <bollo> hmir,
replaced-url
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1588[10:46:53] <hmir> That's okay if you want to install
Jessie, but according to debian: "To install Debian testing, we
recommend you use the Stretch Alpha 5 release of the installer,
after checking its errata. The following images are available for
Stretch Alpha 5: "
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1589[10:46:57] <hmir>
replaced-url
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1592[10:47:09] <cousin_luigi> Greetings.
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1593[10:47:23] <hmir> Hi cousin_luigi.
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1594[10:47:45] <cousin_luigi> Is it possible to subscribe to a
bug report thread without using the "email with a long address
method"?
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1596[10:48:20] <bollo> !tell hmir about #debian-next
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1598[10:49:12] <hmir> Why is it on a separate irc network? Seems
a bit counter-intuitive.
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1602[10:53:29] <nkuttler> hmir: all official debian channels are
there
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1605[10:56:14] <hmir> oh!
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1621[11:06:17] <wabuh> hello everyone
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1622[11:06:35] <wabuh> I would like to create a debian backports
installer
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1623[11:06:43] <wabuh> is there an easy way to do it?
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1624[11:07:04] <wabuh> I tried to find some info online, but
wasn't successful so far
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1641[11:15:49] <OnkelTem> Hi all. I've upgraded to Debian 8
and noticed, that when issuing "reboot" command
immediately kills sshd
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1644[11:16:37] <OnkelTem> before, on Debian 7, I had some moments
to gracefully close ssh connection, now it's not the case
anymore
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1646[11:17:18] <OnkelTem> any ideas how to configure this
beghavior? Maybe 'shutdown' has changed its behavior?
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1647[11:17:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> runlevel?
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1648[11:17:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> I never used reboot
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1650[11:18:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> shutdown -r 0
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1652[11:18:05] <Nik05> OnkelTem systemd?
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1653[11:18:11] <aypea[1]> systemd appears to be rather
psychopathic when told to kill processes. :)
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1655[11:18:43] <Nik05> aypea[1] no it just tells them to
terminate
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1656[11:18:50] <Nik05> the killing takes a lot longer
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1657[11:18:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> OnkelTem: Considered:
replaced-url
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1659[11:19:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's a fork of Jessie with
no systemd
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1662[11:19:40] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: why does killing the
connection nicely matter, btw?
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1664[11:21:32] <OnkelTem> Oh, I need to run :( See you later.
Sorry
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1666[11:22:10] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: if it's to kill the ssh
process, hit enter, tilda and full stop
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1697[11:41:00] <slax0r> hello, I am having issues with using an
intel graphics card, the highest, and lowest res I can switch to is
1024x768, here are a few outputs:
replaced-url
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1716[11:48:21] <cluelessperson> Hi all. I want to customize a
debian installation for a production environment, using ARMHF
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1717[11:48:25] <cluelessperson> How do I approach this?
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1721[11:50:19] <azswa> Hi, anyone knows how to emphasize login on
gnome terminal login@host:
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1722[11:50:59] <azswa> Running several commands, sometimes
it's hard to see the end of the previous command...
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1728[11:54:06] <TomTomTosch> azswa: sure, you can run something
like this: >>> PS1='("\(^_^)/")
${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
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1731[11:55:04] <cafuego> I make the commandline be a line by
itself, so it always stands out.
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1732[11:55:17] <cafuego> PS1="\u@\h:\w\n; "
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1734[11:55:35] <cafuego> also means deep dirs don't make the
commandline tiny
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1738[11:58:31] <azswa> Hi guys, thanks for your help
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1766[12:15:24] <gry_> Hi, I have this problem (same symptoms) as
replaced-url
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1777[12:23:33] <slax0r> I have tried installing the 4.5.0 kernel
from backports, but when I boot into this kernel, then the X server
doesn't even start, with the "no screens found"
error, any help on that skylake graphics issue would be greatly
appreciated
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1788[12:27:16] <cousin_luigi> So, isn't there a way to
report a debian bug in a way like launchpad.net?
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1960[12:54:49] <Myrkur> Hi guys
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1961[12:55:10] <Myrkur> I'm setting up a web server for some
pupils where I work
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1963[12:55:24] <Myrkur> what would be the best ftp server on
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1965[12:57:08] <markybob> i like vsftpd
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1979[13:02:22] <halt> Hi guys, it might be specific to debian,
but if not then at least you can direct me to the right direction, I
have a NAT instance running debian ( aws vpc ) and nodes behind it
debian again, the nodes without public address fail to sync ntp, not
sure what iptables rule or nat rule I missed...
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1981[13:02:50] <teraflops> markybob: theres no need of teaching
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1982[13:03:01] <teraflops> err^ Myrkur*
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1984[13:03:08] <markybob> :/
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1990[13:05:10] <crissae__> FTL: hello?
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1994[13:07:03] <teraflops> crissae__: yes we all read you
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1997[13:08:38] <crissae__> I met someone in Frankfurt last week,
said they hang out as ftl in #debian on freenode. I don't
typically reach out via irc for this, just seeing if this person was
real
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2037[13:16:24] <verwilst> sftp is ssh, does vsftpd support that?
:-p
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2038[13:16:30] <verwilst> i guess you mean ftps?
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2039[13:16:32] <markybob> yes
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2040[13:16:32] <verwilst> ftp over ssl
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2041[13:16:45] <Ticho> hopefully over tls, not ssl :)
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2043[13:16:56] <verwilst> well yeah :-)
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2051[13:18:32] <markybob> it supports both
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2058[13:20:36] <markybob> Myrkur: anyway there is #vsftpd if you
need help
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2081[13:27:38] <Myrkur> thanks markybob
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2096[13:32:13] <Jakob_-> People: Any news on an investigation
into Ian Murdock's passing?
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2097[13:34:18] <Jakob_-> The web is pretty silent on this...
Doesn't seem like there is much happening (or being published)
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2103[13:37:40] <markybob> Jakob_-: #debian-offtopic
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2114[13:43:43] <Jakob_-> ok
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2128[13:49:36] <disho> hi
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2133[13:50:02] <disho> can you help me to solve my problem?
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2134[13:50:26] <Stummi> no
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2136[13:50:32] <disho> my problem is: why nmcli not work under
cronjob?
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2137[13:51:13] <slax0r> pretty much ready to break down in tears
here, if I run kernel 3.16 on skylake, I get only 1024x768
resolution, after some googling I found that I should install the
bpo kernel, which I did, but then I have no Xserver, hangs with
"intel(0): Uknnown Chipset", unloads the intel module and
errors with "no screens found"
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2138[13:51:33] <slax0r> I can boot with nomodeset, but this is
only temp, as I again don't have all the available resolutions
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2139[13:51:43] <slax0r> anyone already solved this issue?
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2140[13:51:45] <disho> OR How disable and enable wifi connection
under cronjob?
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2141[13:51:52] <teraflops> Myrkur: sftp look saner and it means
less work btw
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2142[13:52:06] <teraflops> looks*
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2143[13:52:33] <markybob> slax0r: you also need
xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports probably
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2144[13:52:59] <disho> ?
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2149[13:54:15] <holms> anyone worked with duplicity? i have a
trouble =/
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2151[13:55:00] <disho> any guys have solved this problem ?! why
nmcli not work under cronjob?
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2153[13:55:31] <Stummi> disho, what does the cronjobs output say?
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2155[13:55:52] <Stummi> (also, show us your cronjob. Is it a
system or user cronjob?)
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2156[13:56:12] <slax0r> markybob: well, let me just go find a
cliff to jump off of
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2161[13:56:28] <slax0r> wasted the better part of my day on this,
thank you for your help!
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2163[13:56:32] <markybob> slax0r: wait, i need to get a life
insurance policy on you first
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2165[13:56:38] <markybob> slax0r: okay, done. go.
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2168[13:57:06] <disho> cat /var/log/syslog nothing anymore!
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2169[13:57:19] <markybob> slax0r: no worries mate
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2170[13:57:20] <disho> cat /var/log/syslog nothing anymore
useful!
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2171[13:58:12] <disho> Stummi; can you help me?
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2172[13:59:01] <holms> would pay for duplicity help =/
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2176[13:59:27] <Stummi> disho, show us your crontab entry
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2178[13:59:44] <disho> Stummi; my cron like that : 00 13 * * * *
/usr/bin/nmcli radio wifi on ... OR off but not running correctly!
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2182[14:00:06] <enoch> hi all
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2183[14:00:22] <halt> disho: journalctl
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2184[14:00:32] <enoch> is it possible to automatically add a
password in sftp/scp command?
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2186[14:00:35] <disho> Stummi; I have no problem on any bash
script, only under cron...
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2189[14:01:02] <Stummi> disho, if you want help, you could start
with actually answering my questions. Is it a system or user cron?
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2190[14:01:06] <Stummi> *cron entry
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2191[14:01:15] <Stummi> (/etc/crontab vs crontab -e)
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2192[14:01:16] <disho> user cron
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2193[14:01:20] <markybob> enoch: that's where you need to
use keys
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2195[14:01:27] <disho> crontab -e
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2198[14:01:41] <enoch> markybob, so the solution is using a key?
no alternative?
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2201[14:02:04] <halt> enoch: for most of the cases when it's
not possible to enter stuff but you still want to automate
replaced-url
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2203[14:02:39] <halt> enoch: but seriously suggest to use keys
wherever it's possible
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2204[14:02:53] <enoch> ok thank you
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2205[14:03:00] <Stummi> enoch, use a key. Only if its really not
a option for some weird reason, take a look at sshpass
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2206[14:05:04] <Stummi> disho, your entry is wrong for a user
crontab entry, theres a * too much
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2207[14:05:35] <Stummi> ("m h dom mon dow", but you
have 6 columns)
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2209[14:06:24] <disho> Stummi, mistake in here! original row is:
17 15 * * * /usr/bin/nmcli radio wifi off
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2210[14:06:47] <disho> Stummi, 3 star...
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2212[14:07:26] <Stummi> disho, you could add something like
"> /tmp/cronout 2>&1" to your cronjob
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2213[14:07:48] <Stummi> for testing purposes
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2223[14:11:38] <disho> Stummi, testing is done and output is
empty!!
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2225[14:11:56] <Stummi> disho, but the file is there?
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2227[14:12:04] <Stummi> what makes you think it didn't
worked?
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2241[14:15:24] <disho> Stummi, output file created by is empty!
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2242[14:15:52] <Stummi> disho, well, I don't know network
manager but I would assume if theres no output it just did what you
wanted
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2243[14:15:52] <disho> Stummi, problem is not solve
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2246[14:16:10] <disho> Stummi,
replaced-url
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2250[14:17:38] <Stummi> disho, well, this seems to solve your
problem, doesn't it?
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2251[14:17:44] <disho> Stummi, if i run this command on bash
script or on terminal, It`s OK...
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2252[14:17:54] <disho> NO.
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2253[14:17:58] <teraflops> ereplaced-url
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2255[14:18:22] <Stummi> disho, have you tried to look at
nm-settings as the post says?
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2257[14:19:16] <disho> Stummi, my problem not about password!
[only disable or enable wifi connection]
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2258[14:21:12] <Stummi> I would assume you need some password to
do that
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2262[14:22:10] <Stummi> disho, but I can't help you any
further, I am not a user of NM, your crontab entry seems to be
right, so its a problem with the nm tool itself
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2268[14:24:51] <disho> Stummi, thx for your time... any
suggestion?
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2283[14:30:02] <antena-cli> What is the package responsible for
USB sticks (to eject and stuff)?
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2311[14:35:24] <antena-cli> Every time I put a large file in my
USB stick and I eject it, it keeps copying. That's normal, I
see no problem in it. The problem is that Debian don't show a
message telling me I can take the USB stick out when it's done
copying. I need to be watching Nautilus to see if the USB stick
disapears or I need to be checking with lsblk.
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2312[14:36:14] <markybob> antena-cli: just type sync and once
sync ends you know it's done
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2313[14:36:50] <teraflops> antena-cli: are you using gnome?
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2314[14:36:56] <frostschutz> in the terminal it would be when
umount is done... in a GUI it depends on the desktop environment how
it visualizes things
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2316[14:39:03] <antena-cli> teraflops: No. Cinnamon.
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2317[14:39:13] <teraflops> antena-cli: gnome tells you when is
safe to release the stick (or I'n mad) using the notification
daemon. so if youre using nautilus in a wm and/or you don't
have a nitification demon this could be the issue
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2318[14:40:20] <teraflops> antena-cli: im not use to cinnanmon.
does it have a filebrowser? are the notifications working there?
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2319[14:40:56] <teraflops> used* sorry for all the typos
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2321[14:42:10] <antena-cli> teraflops: I think the filebrowser is
Nautilus. It has a notification. I'll try unset Ignore
transient notifications to see if it tell me something.
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2330[14:45:04] <kenifanying> Hi, I turn on the option "Run a
custom command instead of my shell" in gnome-terminal, and set
the custom command to "env TERM=xterm-256color /bin/bash"
to get the full 256 color. But "open in terminal" action
in nautilus will will not behavior correctly, it always open the
home directory, any suggestion?
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2338[14:50:40] <Slimmy> hello guys. I have installed
pepperflashplugin-nonfree but chromium still wont detect it. when
going on a site that needs it I get "Install adobe flash
player". I also tried installing afp but it wouldnt work
either. any ideas?
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2339[14:52:08] <tnick42> Hi. I just tried to configure logrotate
and then manually started it with /etc/sbin/logrotate
/etc/logrotate.conf. It throwed no error... but the logfiles kept
unchanged. I expected to see some history-files in the log-directory
and the log-files to be cropped instantly...
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2340[14:52:33] <kenifanying> Slimmy, see
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2341[14:53:00] <Slimmy> kenifanying: on it. thanks
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2344[14:53:10] <DexterF> hi
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2345[14:53:32] <tonk> DexterF, hello
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2346[14:53:45] <DexterF> have a problem with one package,
"caps"
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2347[14:54:19] <DexterF> I have to keep the wheezy package in
jessie and reinstall it over the jessie package after eah upgrade
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2349[14:54:55] <abrotman> dpkg: tell DexterF about hold
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2350[14:54:59] <DexterF> there is somethign wit a Qt function
call that breaks due to a name change. I run kodi media center from
jessie backports mainly
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2355[14:56:10] <DexterF> abrotman: not a good solution. sooner or
later other programs will start running into the issue. not quit
esure how to approach that
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2356[14:56:21] <abrotman> then get it fixed
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2357[14:56:27] <abrotman> file a bug, get it fixed
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2359[14:57:08] <wewlad> hi, could anyone, please, remind me how
to tie some specific shell to a user?
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2362[14:57:46] <wewlad> also, please, remind me what's an
ancient and outdated tool out of these two: adduser, useradd?
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2364[14:59:38] <gluon> wewlad: debian favours the use of adduser
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2365[14:59:47] <bezaban> wewlad: none of them really. adduser is
a script that uses useradd
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2366[15:00:07] <bezaban> wewlad: and chsh for changing shell
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2367[15:00:18] <gluon> but yeah, it's mostly up your
preference
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2369[15:00:41] <wewlad> gluon: bezaban: thank you both
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2373[15:02:16] <bezaban> otoh I guess you could call both of them
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2375[15:02:22] <bezaban> ancient
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2376[15:02:26] <Slimmy> Guys. I can't believe I can't
solve something this simple. I downloaded adobe flash player tar.gz.
Ran tar xzfv and decompressed. did sudo cp -r ./usr* /usr and then
sudo cp libflasplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/browser/plugins. But I
still can't get to use adobe flash player. I restarted firefox.
Why?
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2380[15:03:01] <gluon> adduser is interactive by default, it asks
you all the information instead of you having to supply it on the
command line
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2381[15:03:13] <gluon> so one could say it's a bit easier to
use
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2382[15:03:42] <gluon> i like useradd better, because it gives me
more control
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2386[15:05:09] <DexterF> abrotman: hold wants to uninstall libs
I've never heard about marked {u}. {u}nneeded?
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2388[15:05:22] <abrotman> DexterF: Have you filed a bug on the
package yet?
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2389[15:05:34] <wewlad> is it okay that /etc/shells contains 2
paths to zsh? /bin/zsh and /usr/bin/zsh
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2392[15:06:06] <wewlad> I did 'chsh -s zsh user', it
prompted a password, I entered it and then I got 'chsh: zsh is
an invalid shell'
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2393[15:06:17] <DexterF> abrotman: wanted to, reportbug is not
happy with my mail provider.
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2394[15:06:28] <wewlad> so then I 'man chsh' and there
read about -s option more carefully
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2396[15:06:55] <wewlad> and the man says that it should be enough
to specify just the name of the shell if that shell is present in
'/etc/shells'
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2399[15:07:57] <abrotman> DexterF: you can use webmail
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2401[15:09:21] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: back to reboot + ssh: killing
nicely does matter because then my script awaits for a host to boot
up, but my script hangs expecting the output of ssh command
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2406[15:12:03] <tnick42> found conclusion in
/var/lib/logrotate/status
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2409[15:14:14] <wewlad> is it true that the output of
'mount' is just a differently parsed output of 'cat
/proc/mounts'?
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2410[15:14:15] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: ah. hrm. I see why you might
be annoyed. two choices as near as I can see: 'shutdown -r
+1' or '(sleep $x; shutdown -r now) &' where x is
however many seconds you want to wait/need to wait.
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2411[15:14:28] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: the first one will wait a
minute
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2412[15:14:46] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: wait, it seems 'shutdown
-r 0' just worked!
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2415[15:15:10] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: interesting. I wonder what
the difference is.
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2417[15:15:21] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: unless 'reboot' is
more violent.
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2418[15:15:22] <OnkelTem> perhaps that's because it has some
output which my script expects
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2419[15:15:25] <Slimmy> why cant i find
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash package?
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2420[15:15:44] <OnkelTem> aypea[1]: well, I read in man pages
that reboot w/o flags just calls shutdown
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2422[15:16:01] <aypea[1]> OnkelTem: yeah. oddness.
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2423[15:16:10] <themill> Slimmy: where have you looked?
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2424[15:16:29] <Slimmy> themill: apt-get, synaptic and aptitude
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2425[15:17:17] <themill> which release...
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2426[15:17:32] <Slimmy> wheezy
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2427[15:17:42] <aypea[1]> Slimmy:
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2429[15:17:56] <themill> it doesn't exist for wheezy. You
don't run a release that is on life support if you want the
newest packages.
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2430[15:18:30] <aypea[1]> it's not even in jessie,
technically.
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2436[15:22:23] <holms> anyone familiar with duplicity? please..
small kittens are dying here
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2439[15:23:29] <srg> I seem to be missing the proper outlines for
html text boxes, checkboxes/radio buttons, and the save dialogs look
all messed up in firefox:
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2461[15:32:51] <themill> srg: stretch?
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2466[15:35:18] <holms> anyone familiar with duplicity?
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2475[15:39:23] <srg> themill: uh, it's on testing, yeah. I
installed ff from the tarball, not from the package. I think
I'm missing some gtk library or something.
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2476[15:40:11] <themill> There's not much we can do to help
you with firefox from a tarball, but there were people complaining
about recent gtk3 with firefox in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2482[15:41:22] <srg> themill: Ok, thanks. I just asked in here
because I thought it might be some missing gtk library package, not
ff itself, but I'll check it out
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2496[15:47:10] <DexterF> would someone know something like
MusicPD? it turns out not to be maintainable
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2500[15:49:26] <xreal> I've just installed
"glances" with bottle, but I'm getting
"CRITICAL: Bottle module not found. Glances cannot start in web
server mode" - anyone with an idea?
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2526[16:00:39] <zq> is http.debian.net down?
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2527[16:01:51] <themill> no
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2529[16:02:14] <zq> can't seem to apt-get update from inside
my chroot
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2530[16:02:39] <alchemistswl> can you ping outside?
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2531[16:02:48] <zq> yes
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2532[16:03:11] <zq> but apt-get stalls at 'Get [0%
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2533[16:03:25] <alchemistswl> ipv6?
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2534[16:03:33] <zq> god i hope not
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2536[16:03:49] <zq> i just nuked it and re-debootstrapped
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2538[16:04:29] <alchemistswl> I had some ipv6 related issues with
chroot. But meh, doesnt mean you have to.
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2600[16:32:41] <srg> I accidentally made a symlink in my homedir
that points to ".": lrwxrwxrwx 1 tuf83079 203766 1 May 2
10:31 wp-httpdocs -> .
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2601[16:32:58] <srg> When I try to rm it, it asks if I want to
descend and delete all my stuff in the homedir
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2602[16:33:02] <srg> I just wanna delete the link
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2603[16:33:05] <srg> How can I do that?
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2617[16:39:04] <zq> srg: rm wp-httpdocs
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2618[16:39:08] <zq> does that not work?
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2619[16:39:20] <Cloudwalker42> exit
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2645[16:50:25] <Cuby96> .
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2646[16:50:31] <srg> zq: oops, I was using tab completion which
was adding the trailing slash
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2647[16:50:38] <srg> zq: it worked without the slash, thanks!
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2648[16:51:16] <Cuby96> Hi there having an issue with wine and
debian jessie, it says wrong exe-format, can someone help me with
that issue?
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2650[16:51:26] <johnfg> hi guys
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2652[16:51:50] <johnfg> I've got most of the wrinkles ironed
out on my system, but still have this one.
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2653[16:52:27] <johnfg> This is from cron.daily: run-parts:
/etc/cron.daily/exim4-base exited with return code 123.
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2656[16:53:03] <johnfg> The rest of mail, whether through mutt or
icedove seems to be fine, but I'd like to correct this.
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2664[16:55:17] <dwarfmut> hello guys
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2665[16:55:35] <dwarfmut> somebody here use macbook?
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2666[16:56:20] <bazhang> yeah
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2667[16:56:31] <bazhang> the mbp
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2679[17:01:41] <Cuby96> could anyone help me with my issue?
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2689[17:05:20] <donofrio> is this still neded when we are running
4.4.0.21 these days -
replaced-url
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2691[17:06:10] <vegardx> Lets pretend (or not) that I've
installed multiple machines with grub2 on a partitionless disk and
that has naturally failed after an upgrade. Can I just add another
small disk, make it bootable and install grub2 on that?
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systemd as per default jessie minimal image using docker? - I'm
adding services via `update-rc.d TEST defaults` where after I can do
`sudo service TEST start` from within the image but it doesnt get
started as I expected similar to when a system is booted.
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2997[17:28:51] <eveau> bonjour
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2999[17:29:20] <eveau> j'aimerai me connecter en wifi via
mon debian en mode console
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3001[17:29:28] <eveau> savez-vous se que je dois faire ?
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3002[17:29:48] <greycat> !fr
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3003[17:29:48] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in
french, please go to #debian-fr.
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3004[17:30:11] <greycat> Hmmm, looks like it's actually
#debianfr now.
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3006[17:30:38] <greycat> dpkg, fr =~ s/debian-fr/debianfr/g
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3007[17:30:38] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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3021[17:34:34] <dimitry7> hey guys
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3022[17:34:44] <dimitry7> im getting this error:
replaced-url
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3025[17:35:02] <dimitry7> using lynx from debian 6, but I have
many debian 6 servers and I can access to that file from all except
this one
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3028[17:35:07] <dimitry7> what can be wrong?
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3030[17:35:30] <greycat> Yeah, good luck getting ANY of the text
mode browsers (lynx, elinks) to work properly now.
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3041[17:37:39] <brigo> dimitry7, https connection it looks like:
"Unable to make secure connection to remote host."
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3042[17:37:52] <brigo> can't you use http?
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3045[17:38:08] <greycat> In the last year there have been so many
changes to https, and to the libraries that implement it. And
lynx/elinks use libgnutls which apparently has many issues with
https.
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3049[17:39:04] <dimitry7> greycat, wow didn't know that
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3050[17:39:07] <dimitry7> brigo, sure let me check
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3052[17:39:53] <greycat> That's why I get so frustrated when
J. Random N00b uses Yet Another Godawful HTTPS Pastebin site. (Yours
was fine, though.)
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3087[17:52:22] <vegardx> Do you have ca-certificatas package
installed, dimitry7?
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3088[17:52:34] <greycat> He's also on squeeze, so...
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3089[17:53:16] <vegardx> Kids that were born when it came out are
starting to use the Internet.
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3090[17:53:42] <dimitry7> vegardx, yup: ca-certificates is
already the newest version.
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3091[17:53:58] <dimitry7> greycat, yes, although the other
servers can access the file, so it's weird
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3094[17:54:09] <dimitry7> i've compared the ssl packages
installed and they are fine.
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3096[17:54:18] <vegardx> But use curl or wget. Save yourself some
troubl.e
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3097[17:54:42] <dimitry7> well, the issue is with get
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3100[17:55:16] <greycat> Why are you doing this on squeeze?
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3101[17:55:29] <vegardx> Anything related to TLS is going to be
like a swiss cheese on squeeze.
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3105[17:56:19] <dimitry7> greycat, oh Ihaven't upgraded
because here the DBA's use some shit with firebird and until
they finish testing, I need to keep squeeze
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3106[17:56:26] <dimitry7> but on the server side I have Jessie
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3108[17:56:31] <OnkelTem> Folks, I'd like to configure a
low-production Debian 8 VPS with Xorg server so that my kids can
join it and do some tasks. How can I organize interaction with the
server?
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3115[17:57:47] <OnkelTem> My first thought was using some Win32
Xserver, but I'm unsure is it the best option and which server
to pick
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3119[17:59:51] <dimitry7> greycat, I reinstalled openssl too
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3120[18:00:04] <greycat> because...?
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3122[18:00:17] <greycat> Seriously, why do you expect ANY of this
to work?
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3126[18:01:03] <greycat> I'd make the squeeze boxes ssh to a
jessie box to retrieve the https crap.
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3129[18:01:47] <greycat> lynx on squeeze is also linked with
libgnutls (/usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26)
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3130[18:02:04] <greycat> reinstalling a library that it
doesn't even use (openssl) is pretty silly
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3135[18:03:57] <alchemistswl> OnkelTem you might want to look
into NX
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3136[18:03:59] <alchemistswl> was easy to setup
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3150[18:06:34] <wooden_> testing current has gnutls 30 in it, but
the -dev package is for 28. i need to build something against the 30
version. should i download the source .deb and just put the headers
in place manually, or is there a cleaner way to do this?
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3153[18:07:09] <jak2013> for install ufw apt-get install ufw not
work
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3154[18:07:13] <jak2013> how to install?
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3155[18:07:13] <greycat> ,v libgnutls30-dev
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3156[18:07:15] <judd> No package named
'libgnutls30-dev' was found in amd64.
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3157[18:07:21] <jak2013> i want open the port 8006 how to?
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3158[18:07:57] <babilen> jak2013: It shouldn't be closed by
default
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3160[18:08:03] <greycat> *shrug* ask the testing support channel,
maybe
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3161[18:08:15] <babilen> (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net)
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3165[18:08:44] <wooden_> greycat, babilen: thank you
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3174[18:11:51] <zykotick9> jak2013: 1st i'd like to issue
caution using ufw, but ymmv. are you running debian stable? as ufw
is a package in main... so my follow up (assuming stable) did you
install without internet? if so, your /etc/apt/sources.list would be
"broken"... can you install other packages?
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3179[18:13:05] <babilen> zykotick9: jak2013 decided to move over
to #debian-next (presumably because (s)he is using testing or
unstable)
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3180[18:13:17] <zykotick9> babilen: ahhh, thanks.
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3181[18:13:27] <babilen> np, all valid questions/remarks :)
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3184[18:14:24] <babilen> Just didn't want to create too much
of a schism
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3224[18:27:34] <debian_upgr> hi there
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3226[18:28:25] <debian_upgr> Hi there, I'm trying to upgrade
from trisquel to debian. Does anyone know what should I do with held
packages?
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3228[18:28:36] <pharpend> "upgrade" =p
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3234[18:29:04] <pharpend> I don't know the answer to your
question, I just thought your phrasing was funny
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3237[18:29:27] <debian_upgr> when I hit dist-upgrade it tells me
there are no needed packages and held packages
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3238[18:29:27] <Zurok> debian_upgr: Hi.
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3239[18:29:35] <debian_upgr> and its a big nuisance
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3240[18:30:14] <Zurok> debian_upgr: You can't upgrade.
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3241[18:30:23] <Zurok> From one distro to another like that.
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3245[18:30:33] <Zurok> At least not from Trisquel to Debian.
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3246[18:31:07] <debian_upgr> I thought debian based where all
interchangable with it
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3249[18:31:15] <pharpend> The differences between the two are I
guess stark enough
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3250[18:31:40] <Zurok> It's better to fresh install Debian.
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3252[18:31:52] <debian_upgr> So now I've got a wholly
screwed broken system?
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3253[18:31:55] <pharpend> Zurok: Why wouldn't one be able to
do so? I agree with your interpretation, I'm just curious,
though
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3254[18:31:59] <pharpend> debian_upgr: more or less =p
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3257[18:32:16] <pharpend> Zurok: I suppose Trisquel would have
apparmor et al, and perhaps a different base system?
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3261[18:32:45] <greycat> Upgrading a package from version A to
version B requires some knowledge of what version A *did*, which
Debian's version B cannot know if A didn't come from
Debian.
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3263[18:32:53] <greycat> Now multiply that by a thousand
packages.
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3264[18:32:59] <pharpend> I see
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3265[18:33:01] <Zurok> ^
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3266[18:33:14] <debian_upgr> I see... ok guys, thank you. You
helped me deciding! Good-bye!
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3268[18:33:33] <pharpend> I used Arch for the longest time, so
concerns about breaking one's system were not a top priority =p
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3269[18:33:49] <debian_upgr> LOL
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3270[18:34:06] <Zurok> Debian>Ubuntu>Trisquel
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3271[18:34:12] <debian_upgr> indeed
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3282[18:36:15] <Gill> Hey guys anyone have experience with Debian
hanging on boot with “A start job is running for LSB: Raise
network interf”? Its running on AWS so I dont really have much
control
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3284[18:36:34] <shingouz> this is not strictly debian suppert,
but do you guys have an idea what to use. i would need an infinite
loop of an oncoming starfield at warp speed, kinda like you would
see looking through the "windscreen" of the enterprise
going at full tilt. hints appreciated
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3291[18:38:46] <sweb> my mail server is not same server with bind
how can i set PTR record on server when dont have bind service ?
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3292[18:38:48] <teraflops> Gill: something is stuck at network
target. dhcp request, borked network configuration or something like
that.
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3294[18:39:13] <greycat> You set the PTR records in your domain,
wherever that is served from.
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3297[18:39:56] <greycat> Or... actually, those go in the
*reverse* domain (numbers.numbers.in-addr.arpa) which may not even
be under your direct control.
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3298[18:39:56] <sweb> greycat: so i dont need set bind reverse
zone ?
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3300[18:40:17] <Gill> teraflops: anyway to boot the system then?
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3302[18:40:25] <Gill> should i just reboot a frew times and hope
it comes up?
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3304[18:41:20] <teraflops> Gill: no idea about AWS
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3305[18:41:22] <jelly> shingouz: like... a screensaver?
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3309[18:41:50] <Gill> teraflops: ah ok cool thanks fo ryour help
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3314[18:42:49] <shingouz> jelly: about that way. any way to grab
the output into some image or video format?
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3322[18:46:53] <shingouz> jelly: to answer myself, after figuring
out the almost correct quiestion, google spat out blender doing some
particle animation. now i "just" need to grok blender
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3330[18:50:50] <jelly> shingouz: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/rocks has
asteroids not stars
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3333[18:53:42] <OnkelTem> alchemistswl: thanks!
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3339[18:56:49] <shingouz> oops. also gravit might fit the bill
after a bit of tweaking for the oncoming strafield generation
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3340[18:57:01] <shingouz> s/strafield/starfield/
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