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0[00:00:37] <dannyLopez> Gracias somiaj, I go to diner. C
2morow
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1[00:00:57] <somiaj> make sure to reset the ssh server
afterwards
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2[00:01:04] <cef> c-c: which method did you use?
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4[00:01:08] <somiaj> note allowing root to login via ssh is a
very big security issue dannyLopez
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5[00:01:16] <dannyLopez> Yes, sure
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6[00:01:28] <somiaj> dannyLopez: bots are always tryign to
crack root passwords this way, a key will be much more secure and
easier to use.
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7[00:01:30] <dannyLopez> Is only local
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11[00:02:16] <dannyLopez> And my pass is 10 alphanumeric and
some capitals
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12[00:02:16] <c-c> cef: update stuff, /etc/apt/sources.list in
vim :%s/jessie/stretcg/g (+wq), apt-get update etc a lot
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14[00:02:58] <c-c> cef: something happened, didn't install
everything, synaptic + mark all upgrades, apply, wait, done
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16[00:03:10] <somiaj> dannyLopez: only local is good security,
then your firewall is the weak spot, though generating an ssh key is
not that hard and better than a 10 character password.
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17[00:03:21] <somiaj>
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20[00:03:44] <dannyLopez> And, is only a test, sure I put a
public key
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21[00:03:57] <somiaj> dannyLopez: that is fine, just trying to
give some advise/knowledge. (:
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24[00:04:39] <n4dir> fail2ban and non-default port won't
hurt too, as far ssh security is concerned
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34[00:06:30] <cef> c-c: no probs.. sounds like it's worked
for you.. have you rebooted yet?
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35[00:06:33] <dannyLopez> Is only with research purposes,
somiaj always help me and I listel all U say, and all is a good
advice. I appreciate it. :)
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36[00:06:53] <c-c> I wonder what is the '[' file in
/usr/bin
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37[00:07:10] <c-c> cef: yes
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39[00:07:28] <dannyLopez> C U 2morrow.
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41[00:08:07] <cef> c-c: cool.. thinking with all my graphics
woes.. it might be worth going to stretch to see if that might work
any better.
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42[00:08:20] <cef> Speaking of which....
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45[00:08:53] <cef> Anyone gotten GLX with Intel KabyLake
(i7-7700) inbuilt video? It's still using the Gallium
(software) renderer. Already tried modesetting at boot. Installed
`linux-image-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-intel libegl1-mesa
libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-misc-nonfree` pkgs from
jessie-backports. Also firmware from Intel's 01.org site (not
in firmware-misc-nonfree). Logs/info:
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47[00:10:11] <c-c> cef: 4.x kernel?
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54[00:11:27] <somiaj> cef: have you seen if that video card is
even supported in linux yet, that is the first thing I see is what
kernel one needs. It could be support for it is only in staging in
the current kernel trees
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56[00:12:14] <cef> c-c: 4.9 currently
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58[00:12:48] <somiaj> cef: do you see the i915 module loading
at all for that card?
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61[00:13:01] <cef> somiaj: I'm guessing that's the
issue. I might need to run something later.. that was why I was
thinking of going to stretch: more likely to get it going later.
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64[00:13:27] <somiaj> well if it is related to the kernel not
supporting that gpu yet, stretch won't help as the kernel is
the same.
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65[00:13:46] <cef> somiaj: yes. Also included not just xorg in
logs, but lspci -k and inxi -F
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67[00:13:51] <somiaj> If it isn't a kernel issue, stretch
has the newer modesetting drivers that may help on the xorg side,
but I would check to see what the 4.9 kernel is actually loading.
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71[00:14:04] <cef> somiaj: until it's released and they
make backports available. :P
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73[00:14:23] <cef> Anyway, gotta go to work.. back later.
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75[00:14:39] <cef> thanks for all the responses.
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79[00:16:06] <c-c> cef: make a small partition for stretch iso
w/ all firmware, and boot into it to see if it works proper
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93[00:22:10] <c-c> I have systemd on my computer, will I risk
cancer?
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103[00:26:53] <n4dir> c-c: not exactly cancer
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106[00:29:12] <mandeep> doesnt stable use systemd?
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107[00:29:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes
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108[00:29:27] <mandeep> i guess i dont get the joke
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109[00:29:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's because it's not
overly funny
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110[00:29:41] <somiaj> yes they are being off topic. Debian uses
systemd by default, though allows one to use other init systems
besides systemd.
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111[00:29:59] <mandeep> somiaj: thanks
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112[00:30:05] <c-c> n4dir: that belongs in #devuan
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113[00:30:36] <bezaban> !why systemd
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114[00:30:36] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading
rra's excellent analysis at
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115[00:30:41] <n4dir> well: i was not the one who came up with
the subject.
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117[00:31:17] <n4dir> and c-c you got way more choices than
devuan if you don't wanna use systemd
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119[00:31:29] <dax> that factoid has a typo, s/
systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/
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121[00:31:33] * dax doesn't know how to edit dpkg
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123[00:33:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg =~ s/shimallows/shim allows/
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124[00:33:15] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know, could
you explain it?
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125[00:33:19] <somiaj> dpkg why systemd =~
s/systemd-shimallows/systemd-shim allows/
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126[00:33:19] <dpkg> OK, somiaj
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127[00:33:27] <somiaj> !why systemd
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128[00:33:27] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading
rra's excellent analysis at
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130[00:33:40] <bezaban> :D
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131[00:33:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, forgot the factoid…
was so focused on the weird order of =~
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142[00:39:43] <drm> when i run 'env' in a terminal i
dont see 'npm' defined anywhere in my environment
variables, yet when i run the command 'npm' everything
works as expected. When i look in .profile, .bashrc, and
/etc/environment i dont see 'npm' defined either. how does
my bash terminal know where the command 'npm' is supposed
to point to?
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144[00:40:37] <n4dir> run "type npm"
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145[00:40:57] <babilen> drm: Your PATH .. use "whereis
npm" and "which npm" and compare that to "echo
$PATH"
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154[00:44:30] <drm> ah ok, so does the PATH here refer to the
PATH in .profile or .bashrc?
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156[00:44:57] <drm> or are they just both read into the
environment?\
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162[00:46:12] <n4dir> profile sources bashrc, at least in
debian, so ...
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174[00:51:47] <linuxthefish> hi, i just updated chromium to
version 57 on debian sid but when trying to install extensions i get
"installation is not enabled"
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175[00:53:22] <linuxthefish> all the workarounds say to set
"export CHROMIUM_FLAGS="$CHROMIUM_FLAGS
--enable-remote-extensions""" which i did but no luck
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184[00:57:06] <ee> Is it possible to install debian without
systemd? Or Is it enough to just uninstall it after installation?
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185[00:57:41] <linuxthefish>
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186[00:57:42] <judd> Bug
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188[00:58:30] <n4dir> ee: as far i know you can only replace it
after installation. There is a factoid how to do so ... probably
!sysv or such
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190[00:58:43] <dax> dpkg: jessie sysvinit
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191[00:58:43] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
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192[00:59:11] <dax> (and yes, you'd do that after a normal
installation)
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199[01:01:57] <ee> Probably should start from the beginning then
I guess.
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202[01:02:25] <ee>
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207[01:03:17] <n4dir> the factoid given by dax already told you
how to do it. ee
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208[01:03:30] <ee> ye reading it now
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209[01:03:38] <n4dir> i tried both (they slightly differ) and
both worked for me
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210[01:03:54] <ee> What was the difference and wich one did you
prefer?
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213[01:04:36] <n4dir> from the top of my head i don't
recall. the link you gave does a bit more, iirc. I don't prefer
any of the both (if i don't want to use systemd, i prefer
different distros than debian)
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215[01:05:09] <n4dir> you are on the safe side if you follow the
one given by the factoid. of course
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216[01:05:42] <ee> How can I be sure when they implement this as
standard.
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218[01:05:53] <n4dir> sure about what?
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226[01:07:42] <ee> Since you said it does more the guide I sent
so I assumed in a good way, but maybe it was in a bad way?
What's the difference if you can explain?
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227[01:08:31] <n4dir> sorry, i can't really remember (i
would need to read, but won't be any smarter than you if you
read it ... :-) )
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232[01:10:34] <ee> Difference is that I do not understand it as
well as you, but I guess I will need to read both and make my own
decision :)
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233[01:10:41] <n4dir> well: it also avoids to install
systemd-shim (and probably libsystemd0 or however it is called these
days). My guess is in the long run that my lead to ...
"problems"
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237[01:12:37] <n4dir> debian packages (can) depend on
systemd-shim. If you pin it, that are the problems i have in mind
(by no means am saying "that is the way it is". Been too
long i cared for it)
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240[01:13:12] <dax> avoiding libsystemd0 is mostly impossible
and completely pointless
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241[01:13:15] <n4dir> if it was me for now i would go to the way
dpkg-factoid said (after considering if it is really worth the
trouble to avoid systemd)
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242[01:13:22] <dax> so unless it's a very silly link, i
doubt it recommends that
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244[01:14:06] <dax> you can do without -shim though, if your
desktop environment doesn't depend on logind
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245[01:14:17] <n4dir> dax: i am not much in pinning, but to me
it looks like it:
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246[01:14:22] <n4dir> echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin:
release *\nPin-Priority: -1' >>
/etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd
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251[01:16:26] <n4dir> wouldn't bet on it, but i think antix
and refracta get along without libsystemd0
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257[01:20:24] <ee> In the debian guide it says "This
package is installed automatically on upgrades" what does this
mean? If I don't upgrade after installation and have no
internet connection, will it not install systemd then?
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271[01:25:08] <n4dir> think about for a bit what you just asked
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276[01:26:58] <ee> I guess I missunderstood upgrade abit ^
It's my thing, question before think then ask more questions
without thinking.
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278[01:27:25] <n4dir> same here ...
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279[01:27:29] <ee> n4dir: what OS do you use?
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281[01:27:47] <n4dir> mainly Slackware
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282[01:28:02] <n4dir> raspian on the raspberry pi, debian on the
iMac
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284[01:28:41] <n4dir> ppc, where you ain't got much
options, as far i can tell (debian, gentoo, BSD*)
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288[01:29:40] <n4dir> and dragora ...
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294[01:30:28] <OtakuSenpai> how do you add shortcuts in
nautilus,shortcuts being those tht come after
"HOME","PICTURES",MUSIC",etc
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295[01:31:33] <ryouma> no clue whatsoever, but in linux, a
shortcut might refer to a symbolic link
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296[01:31:46] <OtakuSenpai> not a symbolic link
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297[01:31:47] <ryouma> (or not)
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298[01:31:54] <OtakuSenpai> a nautilus shortcut
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299[01:31:58] <ryouma> so like a launching thing/
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300[01:31:59] <ryouma> ?
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302[01:32:12] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
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303[01:32:14] <ryouma> ok, never mind, somebody who is not
clueless will answer
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304[01:32:24] <OtakuSenpai> right clicking on a folder doesnt
show any option
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306[01:36:07] <Xtopherus> how do you upgrade an installed
version of apache to latest version ?
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307[01:36:13] <Xtopherus> if its not in the repo
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309[01:36:27] <OtakuSenpai> you backport
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310[01:36:39] <Xtopherus> i have jessie-backports in
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311[01:36:42] <OtakuSenpai> jessie backports must hav it
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313[01:36:50] <OtakuSenpai> ,v apache
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314[01:36:51] <judd> No package named 'apache' was
found in amd64.
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315[01:36:59] <OtakuSenpai> idk the package name
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316[01:37:07] <Xtopherus> apache2 i guess
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317[01:37:25] <Xtopherus> i have 2.4.10 i need at least 2.4.11
to solve SSL issues
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319[01:37:33] <dax> ,v apache2
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320[01:37:34] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u8; jessie:
2.4.10-10+deb8u7; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8;
jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u8; sid: 2.4.25-3; stretch: 2.4.25-3
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321[01:37:40] <c-c> apt search apache | less
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323[01:38:11] <dax> heh, indeed no backport of it. fun.
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325[01:38:29] <Xtopherus> :(
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326[01:38:33] <dax> !ssb
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327[01:38:33] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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328[01:38:37] <dax> time for that, i guess ^
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330[01:38:48] <OtakuSenpai> you can also build your own package
for it
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332[01:40:38] <c-c> why not just dpkg -i *.deb in that text?
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334[01:41:22] <Xtopherus> will that overwrite and of my shit ?
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350[01:52:13] <abff> does anyone have something for me to read
or maybe look at to explain to me how pulseaudio and alsa do what
they do and how they affect each other? even just a diagram would be
great
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358[01:54:55] <ryouma> abff: i can't help you with your
question, but know that alsa works. i found that purging pulseaudio
made everything work better.
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359[01:55:19] <ryouma> abff: i think alsa is lower level
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362[01:55:40] <abff> Yeah something like pulseaudio is for audio
over the network,
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366[01:55:59] <mr-mister> hello, my debian laptop is freezing
once every day. i believe it has to do with xorg which i am running,
and maybe video decoding because oftentimes playing a youtube video
leads to an eventual freeze
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370[01:56:57] <mr-mister> the freezing is a lack of keyboard and
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371[01:57:08] <mr-mister> video freezes but does not disappear
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419[02:22:47] <mr-mister> if i'm experiencing xorg crashes
should i switch from stretch to jessie?
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424[02:30:51] <jsw_> Couldn't hurt to try, even if just to
see if it changes the behaviour?
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429[02:35:12] <mr-mister> is there a way to automatically
"downgrade"?
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431[02:35:46] <ryouma> downgrading is not supported. it took me
3mo to downgrade xorg long ago.
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432[02:36:05] <hassoon> g'night
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436[02:36:44] <gentz> will ze nick server let me speak?
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437[02:36:49] <gentz> I guess so
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438[02:37:02] <gentz> ignore that
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493[03:22:39] <gentzy> correct me if I'm wrong, but if a
redirect stdout and stderr to a file I shouldn't see anything?
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494[03:23:01] <ryouma> gentzy: not true
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495[03:23:09] <ryouma> there is also the terminal
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498[03:23:57] <gentzy> How would I hide it then?
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499[03:24:28] <gentzy> I'm getting "grep: foo: Is a
directory" and I want it to disapear
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502[03:24:30] <dvs> ???
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503[03:24:36] <ryouma> that should be stderr
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504[03:24:43] <ryouma> and grep has an option to skip
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508[03:25:03] <gentzy> Adding &> /dev/null isn't
making it go away
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510[03:25:25] <dvs> gentzy, because you have to add
"2>&1"
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511[03:26:11] <AlexLikeRock> I love GNU
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512[03:26:11] <gentzy> Now i'm getting "xargs: grep:
terminated by signal 13"
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513[03:26:12] <AlexLikeRock> <3
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514[03:26:39] <ryouma> gentzy: wha tare you trying to do?
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515[03:26:55] <ryouma> xargs is pretty tricky
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516[03:26:59] <gentzy> I'm tring to find all files with the
string "City: "
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517[03:27:07] <gentzy> "find . -name '*' | xargs
grep "City: " -c | awk '!/:0/' 2>&1
~/tst"
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518[03:27:18] <ryouma> grep -r is tricky too; consider gnu
parallel
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519[03:28:06] <ryouma> gentzy: find . -type f -exec grep ... +
or something maybe
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521[03:28:20] <ryouma> read grep man page for dirs
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522[03:28:20] <gang> Anyone on?
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523[03:28:38] <dTal> nope
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524[03:29:05] <ryouma> gentzy: find . -type f -print0 | LC_ALL=C
parallel --gnu -q -k -X account zmygrep -H -0 "$@" {}
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525[03:29:17] <dTal> nobody here 'cept us bots
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526[03:29:20] <ryouma> or, for me who does not care about
newlines, the same thing without the 0 stuff
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527[03:29:25] <Spec> grep -rl 'City:' *
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528[03:29:57] <gang> My pc froze so I had to hold down the power
button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any
ideas?
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529[03:30:06] <ryouma> grep -r might or might not have issues
with symlinks or so
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530[03:31:04] <ryouma> oops, i did not give you zmygrep, which
is LC_ALL=C xzgrep -i --color=auto --devices=skip
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533[03:31:34] <Spec> so...: find . -type f -exec grep
"City: " -l "{}" \;
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535[03:32:48] <gentzy> Ryouma: gives "Error: Command line
too long"
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537[03:33:57] <gentzy> Spec: first one is perfect
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538[03:33:59] <ryouma> gentzy: try spec's command
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539[03:34:00] <gentzy> thanks
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540[03:34:35] <Spec> it does not handle compressed files so well
if you need that
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541[03:34:45] <ryouma> aha, grep maybe fixed its symlink issue
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542[03:34:47] <Spec> you could -name "*gz" and
zgrep/etc accordingly if that's a thing you need
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544[03:35:13] <gentzy> Nope, just was looking for things in *.c
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547[03:35:57] <Spec> -r "following symbolic links only if
they are on the command line. "
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548[03:36:04] <Spec> whatever that means
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549[03:36:16] <Spec> -R " Read all files under each
directory, recursively. Follow all symbolic links, unlike -r."
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552[03:36:34] <Spec> maybe -r only follows symlinks if
they're arguments provided to grep directly
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555[03:37:09] <ryouma> there is a device called a dylos that has
a serial port output. can you just read from an adaptor to get
serial port data?
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556[03:37:21] <ryouma> Spec: yeah
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557[03:37:43] <Spec> you can use minicom to read from various
serial devices, like ttyUSBs and so forth, if that's what
you're looking for
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566[03:42:01] <gang> My pc froze so I had to hold down the power
button now I keep getting a black screen with a blinking curse, Any
ideas?
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568[03:44:30] <AlexLikeRock> do you restart to SAFE MODE ? gang
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570[03:44:38] <gentzy> Get your syslog or something?
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571[03:44:55] <gentzy> I keep a usb with ubuntu live right by py
pc
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573[03:45:09] <AlexLikeRock> gang, ant start GRUB , choice
"AVANCED OPTIONS" , select SAFE MODE
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574[03:46:29] <gang> AlexLikeRock I have sparklinux and I went
to advanced options and choose the oldest kernal and I'm on it
now
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582[03:49:37] <gang> Any idea what went wrong and how to fix it?
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584[03:50:35] <gry> gang check your logs. maybe already in
syslog.1 rather than syslog, and other respective names.
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590[03:53:36] <AlexLikeRock> gang, this channel its to support
DEBIAN
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591[03:53:43] <AlexLikeRock> i dont now sparklinux
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592[03:54:04] <AlexLikeRock> but, what say gry , its good start
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595[03:54:10] <AlexLikeRock> check LOGs
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596[03:54:48] <gang> AlexLikeRock I'm 90% Sparkylinux is
Debian
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597[03:54:53] <gang> What should I look for in the logs?
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598[03:55:16] <AlexLikeRock> are you at safe mode as i say ?
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599[03:55:19] <gry> oh sorry. sparklinux isn't supported
here. or is it sparkylinux?
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601[03:56:15] <gry> you need to ask
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602[03:56:15] <somiaj> !sparkylinux
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603[03:56:15] <dpkg> SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based
on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next.
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610[04:02:38] <gang> AlexLikeRock I'm on an older kernal
not safemode
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611[04:03:03] <gry> gang you two would need to visit ##linux or
sparkylinux forum or private message. it is not supported in this
channel
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615[04:03:28] <AlexLikeRock>
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616[04:03:36] <AlexLikeRock> RECOVERY MOMDE
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617[04:03:58] <gang> Recovery gives the same black screen
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618[04:04:09] <AlexLikeRock> ok,
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619[04:04:21] <AlexLikeRock> now Start at RUN LEVEL 1
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620[04:04:29] <AlexLikeRock> do you now ???
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621[04:04:30] <gry> AlexLikeRock: please
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622[04:04:31] <AlexLikeRock> that ?
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624[04:04:53] <gry> AlexLikeRock: it is not supported here. use
##linux or sparkylinux forum or private message
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626[04:05:39] <AlexLikeRock> gang search at google "Booting
into Single-User Mode"
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627[04:05:42] <AlexLikeRock> bye
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633[04:10:29] <gang> AlexLikeRock thanks
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669[04:52:08] <brabo> gry: ohai thar
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671[04:52:34] <gry> hey brabo :)
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676[04:56:20] <gry> it's ok. I am trying to get started
with packaging things. learnt about alioth the other week. I keep
trying to figure out how to get started with that and what is the
review process for package updates. already read on some of the
packaging things beforehand
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677[04:57:04] <brabo> cool :)
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680[04:59:00] <hanasaki> What can you recommend for a home high
speed router with 1000GB and wifi for the home / small business that
works with debian clients and windwows?
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681[04:59:21] <gentzy> What's #debian-next for?
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682[04:59:44] <hanasaki> debian 9
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683[04:59:44] <brabo> gentzy: testing/unstable as topic states
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684[05:00:04] <gentzy> Why's it invite only?
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687[05:01:19] <gentzy> nvm
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689[05:01:26] <gentzy> OFTC network only
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708[05:21:28] <krazzgal> "I've been aware of the Jew
deception against humanity for several years now and although it
seems hopeless at times, I've seen a huge awakening recently
that gives me hope." || "You really say the words Alfred.
This is your best, most daring video yet! You name the Jew and
explain how they make the good guy the bad guy, and the bad guy the
good guy. How they planed to exterminate the Germans, etc. I'm
Tweeting this out. Well done!"
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805[05:31:45] <nagchampa> what's the difference between the
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806[05:32:07] <AlexLikeRock> X32 & X64 ?
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808[05:32:52] <nagchampa> except zlib1g includes amd64 builds
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809[05:32:54] <themill> nagchampa: multi-arch vs biarch
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811[05:33:19] <themill> (as in, if stuff is using lib64z1
it's old, crufty, and should be updated)
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812[05:33:21] <AlexLikeRock> biarch ????
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813[05:33:23] <AlexLikeRock> exist ?
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815[05:33:45] <gentzy> lib64z1 only has an i386 build
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816[05:33:50] <gentzy> the other has both
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819[05:34:43] <gentzy> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER gentzy
ictxsjtvhlib
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820[05:34:50] <nagchampa> themill: thanks
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821[05:34:53] <dax> gentzy: try again without a space in front
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822[05:35:02] <gentzy> ya
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823[05:35:04] <gentzy> opps
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824[05:35:29] <Insi22> Loyality to jewishness is loyality to
oppression and world domination. The only way to end jewish
supremecy and oppression is for jewish women to race mix with black
men. This is the only answer. israel also must transform and learn
to become multicultural by race mixing with blacks and palastainans.
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842[05:46:22] <AlexLikeRock> Gansta Debian >:-D
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951[07:07:35] <mr-mister> how do i downgrade a package?
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953[07:08:03] <gentzy> you can pin it
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957[07:09:10] <mr-mister> i'm running xorg 1:7.7+18 and
want to downgrade to jessie stable 1:7.7+7
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958[07:09:50] <gentzy> put "Package: xorg(newline)Pin:
release a=stable(newline)Pin-Priority: 1001(newline)"
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960[07:10:06] <gentzy> in your /etc/apt/preferences
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962[07:10:19] <gentzy> then do apt update and apt upgrade
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963[07:11:01] <mr-mister> do i type the quotation marks
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965[07:11:09] <gentzy> no
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967[07:11:20] <gentzy> and replace the (newline) with a new line
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969[07:11:34] <gentzy> (should be 3 lines)
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970[07:11:53] <gentzy> also, it might want to uninstall a ton of
crap
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971[07:12:02] <gentzy> so dont blindly hit yes
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972[07:12:32] <mr-mister> nah, just chromium
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973[07:12:33] <mr-mister> which has tearing issues anyway
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974[07:12:54] <mr-mister> oh, wait
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975[07:13:07] <mr-mister> didn't want to uninstall anything
as far as i can tell
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977[07:13:23] <gentzy> good
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979[07:14:03] <mr-mister> still says 1:7.7+18
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981[07:14:20] <gentzy> did you do apt update and apt upgrade?
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982[07:14:26] <mr-mister> yeah
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983[07:14:30] <gentzy> hmm
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985[07:14:42] <mr-mister> you put a (newline) at the end of the
string
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987[07:14:53] <mr-mister> so i just hit enter for a blank line
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991[07:15:36] <gentzy> could you post the /etc/apt/preferences
file?
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992[07:15:41] <gentzy> (in pastbin)
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993[07:16:05] <mr-mister>
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994[07:16:14] <mr-mister> i removed the 4th, blank line
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996[07:17:55] <gentzy> what does "apt-cache policy
xorg" give?
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998[07:19:04] <mr-mister> could it be that i don't have the
jessie repo in sources.list?
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1000[07:19:21] <gentzy> that would be nice ^.^
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1002[07:20:39] <gentzy> I assumed you were running stable and
accidentally put the stretch/sid packages into your system
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1004[07:21:11] <mr-mister> i installed stretch by accident and
now i'm in too deep
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1005[07:21:19] <mr-mister> don't have time to reinstall
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1006[07:21:32] <gentzy> err, your gonna pin more than stretch
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1007[07:21:45] <gentzy> replace xorg with "*"
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1008[07:21:46] <mr-mister> ?
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1009[07:21:57] <mr-mister> more than xorg you mean?
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1010[07:22:01] <gentzy> yes, sorry
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1011[07:22:21] <gentzy> your gonna want to downgrade everything
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1012[07:22:23] <mr-mister> will my system be broken if i
don't do * ?
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1013[07:22:44] <gentzy> generally mixing stable and stretch is
bad
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1014[07:22:50] <gentzy> better to use backports
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1017[07:23:36] <mr-mister> brb
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1052[07:41:58] <mr-mister> [02:26] <mr-mister> downgrading
all the packages seems like it would break my system though [02:26]
<mr-mister> or i might lose features that i'm used to
[02:27] <mr-mister> i read that stretch is going to be stable
soon maybe so once it is i could just stay on that [02:27]
<mr-mister> i'm new to debian tbh [02:27]
<mr-mister> the lingo is confusing sometimes [02:28]
<mr-mister> but yeah, i got the right version after adding the
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1053[07:42:07] <mr-mister> wrong channel :|
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1057[07:44:27] <gentzy> you could keep it on stretch
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seeing that aptitude wanted to downgrade 4 packages, pinning
downgrades all dependencies too i guess?
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1140[08:22:28] <gentzy> you prob wanna pin either everything or
nothing
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1141[08:22:56] <mr-mister> dpkg -l | wc -l ==> 1722 though
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1142[08:22:56] <dpkg> No packages found matching | wc -l ==>
1722 though
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1143[08:23:11] <mr-mister> just seems risky
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1144[08:23:55] <gentzy> well, debian doesn't support
downgrading in the firstplace
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1145[08:24:00] <gentzy> so it is risky
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1147[08:24:26] <mr-mister> does apt dist-upgrade on jessie
upgrade to stretch?
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1151[08:24:43] <gentzy> only if you have stretch in your sources
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1152[08:24:47] <mr-mister> lol
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1153[08:24:53] <gentzy> and preferences perfers stretch
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1154[08:24:59] <mr-mister> i put stretch in my sources and then
did that, because i saw 9 > 8
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1157[08:25:09] <mr-mister> didn't know about
testing/stable/etc
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1163[08:26:02] <mr-mister> when do you think stretch will become
stable?
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1165[08:26:20] <gentzy> early 2018 is my guess
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1169[08:26:44] <gentzy> tbh, I'd just upgrade to debian sid
(unstable)
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1170[08:26:59] <gentzy> I've only seen 1 but in the last two
months
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1171[08:26:59] <mr-mister> why
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1173[08:27:14] <gentzy> its cutting edge
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1174[08:27:32] <mr-mister> the latest xorg was crashing for me
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1176[08:27:34] <mr-mister> freezing*
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1179[08:27:49] <gentzy> did you check the log files?
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1180[08:27:56] <mr-mister> yeah, no logs
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1181[08:28:09] <mr-mister> only thing i can't rule out is a
hardware failure
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1184[08:28:35] <mr-mister> syslog and Xorg.log.0 etc
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1186[08:28:49] <gentzy> How bout ~/.xsession-errors?
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1187[08:29:03] <gentzy> and /var/log/messages
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1188[08:29:09] <mr-mister> yeah checked those
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1190[08:29:31] <gentzy> was thier *no* logs or just nothing
interesting
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1191[08:29:37] <mr-mister> nothing interesting
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1192[08:29:42] <mr-mister> everything seemingly fine
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1194[08:30:20] <gentzy> Sounds like what happened to my VMs when
going from stable to sid
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1195[08:30:28] <gentzy> not sure what caused it
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1201[08:31:52] <gentzy> Anyways, just backup all your files then
pin everything to stable
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1202[08:32:02] <gentzy> then run apt update
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1203[08:32:08] <gentzy> then apt upgrade
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1205[08:32:15] <gentzy> then apt dist-upgrade
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1206[08:32:20] <gentzy> and hopefor the best
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1207[08:32:27] <mr-mister> i will if i experience any more
freezes/ crashes
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now
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1211[08:33:20] <mr-mister> noticeably better performance or
it's in my head
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1214[08:33:58] <gentzy> (some) games run faster to with the new
mesa
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I've mounted it, chrooted to it and started ssh, but I get PTY
allocation request failed on channel 0
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1544[10:59:02] <maziar> hi what is this error on my bind :
replaced-url
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1550[11:01:12] <jelly> maziar: there's no error there, just
some queries from some clients being denied. Is this actual output?
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1554[11:02:07] <jelly> maziar: is this bind instance
authoritative for "site.com." zone? Are 8.0.16.* your
customers?
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1555[11:02:22] <jelly> if your answer is no to both, just ignore
it
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1557[11:02:34] <rgr> a predominantly apache2 project I am looking
at is is somehow resolving/serving videos.blah.com but I cant see
how. pinging it gives the ip of the server I am ssh'ing into
but there is applicable apache2 conf file in
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled. Can someone suggest how I determine what
is serving this domain name on this server?
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1559[11:03:00] <rgr> correction : "is *no* applicable
apache2 conf file"
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1565[11:04:41] <petn-randall> rgr: 'apache2ctl -S' will
show you which sites this apache2 serves. There is usually a default
server that serves a response if no other virtualhost is responsible
for the request.
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1566[11:05:10] <petn-randall> rgr: I'm guessing either the
apache is still running on old config, or your requests are actually
going somewhere else.
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1567[11:05:32] <petn-randall> rgr: The latter you can check by
firing some requests and observing the access logs.
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1572[11:08:04] <rgr> I *think* (and I know nothing about ruby)
somehow something calle "passenger" is running. I need to
google. And thanks a lot.
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1574[11:08:29] <rgr> deconstructing an undocumented cobwebbed
project is not as much fun as it used to be...
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1575[11:09:06] <petn-randall> rgr: I feel your pain, some people
have already been there.
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1578[11:11:25] <rgr> yeah, slow going. ah well.
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1615[11:26:26] <OS-214078> Hi all, I need a little advice : If,
for some reasons, accesschk.exe is not working, wmic either. How
enumerate services running to know if I am able to change the config
(sc config, of course to have a remote shell) ?
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1618[11:27:03] <babilen> OS-214078: Is this in wine?
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1623[11:28:21] <OS-214078> I do not use wine
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1624[11:29:07] <petn-randall> OS-214078: Are you sure you wanted
to ask in the Debian support channel? accesschk.exe sounds like a
Windows program.
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1625[11:29:22] <babilen> OS-214078: How do you run accesschk.exem
then ? I guess you could just clarify how this relates to Debian.
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1630[11:31:43] <OS-214078> Babilen, good question. Maybe because
I am in the wrong channel and I thought I was i another... The only
thing linked to Debian, is to enumerate windows services to catch a
remote shell on a debian.
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1634[11:32:23] <babilen> OS-214078: Ah, haha. Okay, I sort of
assumed that you asked in the wrong channel, but wanted to give you
the benefit of the doubt. Maybe try ##windows?
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1636[11:33:30] <OS-214078> Yep, My bad. However, thanks for your
answer
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1637[11:33:37] <babilen> All the best!
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1651[11:37:51] <gmx-x> hello
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1652[11:38:07] <gmx-x> i run kali-linux on my PC
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1656[11:41:00] <bezaban> !kali
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1657[11:41:01] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1663[11:42:41] <gmx-x> yes,but it.s very like debian
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1665[11:42:50] <plasmoduck> !backports
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1666[11:42:50] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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1668[11:42:55] <nkuttler> gmx-x: yes, but it's not debian
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1672[11:43:12] <plasmoduck> !debian-backports
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1673[11:43:12] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable
(<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
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1699[11:49:14] <gmx-x> hi
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1719[11:56:19] <weedmic> I normally use opensuse for all my
machines, servers & desktops & laptops. I have been
unsuccessful getting runescape nxt client to run on opensuse (the
java client works fine). So, I need to setup a debian based machine.
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1720[11:56:31] <weedmic> Anyone have bad things to say about
mint? I did NOT like ubuntu.
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1722[11:57:41] <sypher> weedmic: First, which distro will work
best for you is entirely up to you. Test it out, see if you like it,
see if it works. Second, non-Debian topics are offtopic for this
channel. Third, polls are a bad way to gather information.
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1725[11:58:26] <sypher> weedmic: I believe that the Linut Mint
IRC channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org - They'd
probably have a lot more to offer than we do.
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1727[11:58:39] <weedmic> ok - tks
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1853[12:48:39] <LinuxExplorer> hello, what are some good linux
distros based on Debian that work out of the box, are suitable for
newer hardware?
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1854[12:48:59] <squigz> Why not Debian itself
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1855[12:49:19] <babilen> It's pretty much based on Debian,
after all
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1860[12:50:34] <LinuxExplorer> but, I think newer hardware will
have some problem with Debian stable.
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1862[12:50:58] <babilen> You can always run a backported kernel
if that becomes an issue
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1863[12:51:00] <LinuxExplorer> and I am just an end user. I just
want to install in and use it
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1864[12:51:12] <babilen> At the moment I'd recommend to
track stretch and use it on your hardware
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1866[12:51:46] <LinuxExplorer> I don't want to spend more
time and energy in setting up the system. I don't have any
technical knowledge of Linux.
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1867[12:52:15] <babilen> I get my hands on new hardware
frequently and never had a problem with it. I am tracking
testing/unstable though, but hardware support primarily boils down
to the kernel, Xorg and GPU modules which are typically backported
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1870[12:52:33] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1871[12:52:39] <LinuxExplorer> ok
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1873[12:53:17] <babilen> I mean, feel free to run another
distribution, but I can assure you that Debian is a not a bad choice
and that you won't regret it in the long run
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1876[12:53:39] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1879[12:54:03] <babilen> (It will be the next stable release and
is currently frozen while Debian squashes the remaining bugs)
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1880[12:54:12] <LinuxExplorer> can I get a pdf copy of that?
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1881[12:54:36] <babilen>
replaced-url
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1883[12:56:03] <Brigo> poor bugs :(
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1886[12:57:18] <sandman13> LinuxExplorer: Debian has live CDs,
you can try them out too if you like :)
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1887[12:57:28] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: I'd also recommend
attempting to develop your technical understanding of Linux. There
are many excellent sources on the internet.
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1894[12:59:38] <LinuxExplorer> last time when I had some problems
with debian stable live cds I was told that there isn't much
focus on the live cd part of the project and hence I was advised to
download the installed cd and try that.
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1896[13:00:17] <themill> no, you were told that if you want an
installer, you should use the installer
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1898[13:01:34] <sandman13> You can install Debian via Live media
but from my past experience, things didn't work out quite well.
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1899[13:01:47] <LinuxExplorer> I tried the live cd, but it
didn't get detected during boot up on my new 64 bit laptop.
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1903[13:02:31] <sandman13> LinuxExplorer: What wasn't
detected? Installation media itself?
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1905[13:03:22] <LinuxExplorer> yes. I created the live usb of
Debian Jessie and tried to boot from that on my brand new 64 bit
laptop. It wasn't detected.
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1909[13:04:01] <TimurTheLame> LinuxExplorer, care to mention with
what you created the live USB?
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1910[13:04:03] <LinuxExplorer> the pendrive was ok. the method of
creating the live usb is correct. and my laptop also is brand new.
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1911[13:04:29] <themill> the live images don't do uefi
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1914[13:04:38] <sandman13> ^ that explains things
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1915[13:04:40] <LinuxExplorer> dd command, tried with etcher. and
the default usb image writer
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1919[13:05:09] <topi`> how can I tell update-initramfs to include
my custom /lib/firmware/edid/xxx.bin file in the initrd image?
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1920[13:05:09] <LinuxExplorer> that is why I asked for a suitable
Debian based distro.
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1922[13:05:21] <LinuxExplorer> btw, how is Solus Linux?
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1923[13:05:27] <themill> LinuxExplorer: we've been through
this far too many times now. #debian recommends debian.
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1926[13:06:15] <squigz> LinuxExplorer: If you don't have any
linux experience, why are you trying to run it
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1928[13:06:34] <squigz> I suppose your nick answers that for me
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1929[13:06:41] * themill wonders for how many years LinuxExplorer will
continue to have no linux experience
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1930[13:06:53] <squigz> LinuxExplorer: it's truly worth just
jumping into Debian, no matter what you think
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1931[13:06:57] <LinuxExplorer> I like Debian a lot. It is rock
solid and stable.
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1932[13:06:58] <squigz> If you're actually trying to learn
linux, that is.
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1934[13:07:15] <LinuxExplorer> has probably largest repository of
packages.
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1935[13:07:21] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: You're in marketing,
aren't you.
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1938[13:07:45] <LinuxExplorer> but, somehow I am not able to run
live usb of Debian.
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1939[13:07:57] <LinuxExplorer> sypher, I am not in marketing.
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1940[13:08:06] <LinuxExplorer> what made you think that?
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1944[13:09:29] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: You have an opinion of
Debian that's essentially a copy-paste of the Google query
"pros of Debian," yet you lack any kind of experience or
expertise that would inform such an opinion. You also show very
little willingness to actually LEARN the topic, and expect others to
handhold you, as is evidenced by the rapidly deteriorating patience
of the people in this channel.
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1946[13:10:04] <TimurTheLame> sypher, you're breaking the
"be friendly" rule, bro
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1951[13:10:28] <LinuxExplorer> ok. As a newbie I just wanted an
OS that works out of the box.
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1952[13:10:41] <themill> So, moving on to debian user support...
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1953[13:10:47] <LinuxExplorer> I want to install a linux os on my
office computers.
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1958[13:11:12] <LinuxExplorer> Others also should be comfortable
in using that.
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1959[13:11:19] <sypher> TimurTheLame: Not the first time, and it
won't be the last.
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1962[13:12:13] <sypher> LinuxExplorer: Okay, so that puts a
little more color to what you're trying to do. Still, this IS
off-topic for this channel. #debian-offtopic might be a better
venue.
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1963[13:12:46] <LinuxExplorer> ok. I didn't know that.
I'll try that channel.
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1964[13:13:09] <LinuxExplorer> sorry if I have disturbed anybody
on this channel.
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regularly-scheduled programming.
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create multiple persistent interfaces from a wireless card (as I
would with `iw phy phy0 interface add...`). I'd also like for
them to have distinct MAC addresses. How can I do this?
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2024[13:35:35] <userro> Whem I try to install libgcc1:amd64, it
is removing all important packages like apt, bash, dpkg from native
architecture. Why is that happening?
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2030[13:36:56] <themill> !bat
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2031[13:36:56] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2032[13:38:20] <CuSn> Hi, using apt-cache search i tried to find
th package that has the ffmpeg command, but no luck. I have tried
installing tools that use ffmpeg to see if a dependency could bring
it in, but that didn't work. Is ffmpeg in any package for
debian?
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2038[13:39:54] <Cyclohexane> How can I fix "Hash Sum
mismatch" in apt? I've tried rm -rf /var/..., clean,
update
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2041[13:40:16] <themill> Cyclohexane: picking a better mirror
isn't a bad idea. deb.debian.org makes a good choice
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2042[13:40:19] <CuSn> jelly: Thanks!
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2043[13:40:27] <jelly> ,v ffmpeg
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2044[13:40:28] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy:
6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports:
7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1;
wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo3
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2045[13:40:46] <Cyclohexane> themill: E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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2047[13:41:25] <CuSn> I'm on Debian 3.16.39-1 Is that jesse
or Wheezy?
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2048[13:41:34] <userro> CuSn, why can't you install it
directly?
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2049[13:41:58] <CuSn> userro: apparently its not in the normal
repos
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2050[13:42:12] <CuSn> normal=defualt upon install
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2052[13:42:16] <CuSn> *default
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2053[13:42:22] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, it seems like the MI6
is trying to *puts on sunglasses* subvert your subversion
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2054[13:42:36] <toruvinn> yyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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2057[13:43:06] <userro> you need to do 'apt update' to
get the full of packages
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2058[13:43:15] <userro> full list
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2061[13:44:11] <CuSn> just ran that, got errs.
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2063[13:44:32] <jelly> dpkg, tell CuSn about debian suite
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2064[13:44:42] <jelly> CuSn: that's a jessie kernel version
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2067[13:45:01] <jelly> userro: there is no ffmpeg in jessie repos
by default.
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2069[13:45:13] <CuSn> yes, fesh install from scratch this Jan
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2071[13:45:22] <CuSn> *fresh
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2072[13:45:26] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, seriously now, you
should change your mirror
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2073[13:45:49] <userro> huh? I installed it directly no more than
10 days ago
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2074[13:46:03] <jelly> no you didn't
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2075[13:46:04] <Cyclohexane> TimurTheLame: how?
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2077[13:46:13] <themill> dpkg: tell Cyclohexane about
deb.debian.org
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2078[13:46:21] <jelly> userro: not with default jessie repos
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2079[13:46:22] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane,
replaced-url
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2081[13:46:40] <userro> kk
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2082[13:47:10] <userro> is that in backports?
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2083[13:47:14] <userro> jelly
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2084[13:47:33] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, hmm, it seems like
this package can do it for you netselect-apt
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2085[13:47:39] <jelly> userro: which debian release are you
using? When answering people's queries be careful to look at
the same release as them
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2087[13:47:46] <lmw> Hi
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2088[13:47:51] <Cyclohexane> TimurTheLame: i'm already using
the UK mirror?
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2089[13:48:01] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, but you could manually
edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file
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2090[13:48:19] <TimurTheLame> Cyclohexane, afaik, the one that
you're using right now redirects you to other mirrors, so it
might be buggy
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2091[13:48:19] <themill> Cyclohexane: as I already said a couple
of times, pick a different mirror. deb.debian.org makes a good
choice.
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2092[13:48:27] <themill> TimurTheLame: not correct
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2093[13:48:36] <userro> jelly, Jesse
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2096[13:48:49] <lmw> I'm running Debian Jessie with the
backported 4.9 kernel, and now I see my VGA controller only shows me
its device number, does this mean it isn't supported (yet)?
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2097[13:48:52] <lmw> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel
Corporation Device 5912 (rev 04)
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2098[13:48:56] <jelly> userro: "apt-cache policy
packagename" and "apt-cache policy" will tell you
where the package is available from, and settings of configured
repos
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2099[13:49:38] <jelly> lmw: that just means the pci id database
version in your distro does not have an entry for it
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2100[13:49:53] <lmw> But it's supported?
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2101[13:49:57] <lmw> How can I check this?
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2102[13:50:06] <userro> yeah got that from backports jelly
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2103[13:50:07] <jelly> lmw: can't be known from that info.
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2104[13:50:20] <lmw> jelly: What info do you need?
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2105[13:50:34] <Cyclohexane> themill: ok will let you know in
5mins
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2106[13:50:36] <jelly> lmw: "lspci -nn" line would be a
good start
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2107[13:50:56] <lmw> jelly: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:5912] (rev 04)
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2108[13:51:41] <Cyclohexane> themill: whelp.. as if by magic..
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2110[13:51:46] <Cyclohexane> thanks
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2113[13:52:10] <themill> Cyclohexane: filesystem corruption on
that mirror. I don't think it has a happy disk...
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2114[13:52:15] <jelly> judd: pciid 8086:5912
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2115[13:52:16] <judd> [8086:5912] is 'Unknown device'
from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See
also
replaced-url
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2118[13:52:30] <Cyclohexane> themill: pretty slow too..
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2119[13:52:33] <jelly> judd: xorg 8086:5912
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2120[13:52:34] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged.
Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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2121[13:52:53] <jelly> themill: judd xorg broken?
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2122[13:52:53] <lmw> lol
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2123[13:52:54] <userro> how to prevent guest architecture
packages from modifying native architecture packages?
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2124[13:52:58] <themill> jelly: yes
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2125[13:53:02] <lmw> You have destroyed judd :P
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2126[13:53:20] * judd destroys lmw
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2128[13:53:29] <lmw> :(
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2129[13:53:30] <jelly> mwahahaha.
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2130[13:53:41] <lmw> I'm a human, watch your bits
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2131[13:53:42] <lmw> :P
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2132[13:53:44] <userro> judd, sup
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2134[13:54:02] <judd> the sky
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2135[13:54:17] <lmw> jelly: So no one knows if it's
supported or now?
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2140[13:55:12] <jelly> lmw: which cpu generation is it?
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2141[13:55:21] <jelly> (or which cpu)
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2143[13:55:27] <jelly> (model)
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2145[13:56:06] <lmw> jelly: i5-7500T
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2146[13:56:39] <jelly> kaby lake
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2147[13:56:59] <lmw> Yes
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2148[13:57:08] <jelly> lmw: try stretch (current debian testing;
to become debian 9 once it's ready for release)
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2152[13:57:46] <lmw> jelly: I did, but it shows me the same lspci
info like in Jessie
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2153[13:58:29] <CuSn> Got an error on apt-update: Err
replaced-url
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2154[13:58:29] <CuSn> sts/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404
Not Found
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2155[13:58:29] <jelly> lmw: but does X work
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2157[13:58:35] <lmw> jelly: Yes
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2158[13:58:42] <jelly> then it works
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2159[13:58:54] <lmw> It could work with the vesa driver only ...
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2160[13:59:14] <jelly> lmw: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you
which driver is used
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2161[13:59:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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2162[13:59:15] <themill> CuSn: your sources.list is full of crap
that I wouldn't touch with a big pointy stick
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2165[13:59:48] <CuSn> themill: what pastebin do you use?
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2166[13:59:52] <lmw> Hmm, it's using vesa
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2167[13:59:57] <lmw> jelly: ^
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2168[14:00:23] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this
after php update:
replaced-url
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2169[14:00:26] <lmw> brb
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2170[14:00:27] <jelly> lmw: then you're out of luck for now
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2172[14:00:52] <lmw> back
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2173[14:01:25] <userro> please help me.
replaced-url
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2175[14:01:45] <lmw> jelly: Hmm, it looks so
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2176[14:01:58] <CuSn> themill: my sources.list
replaced-url
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2181[14:02:42] <themill> userro: what does "apt-get -f
install" want to do? What's the output of "apt-cache
policy libgcc1 libgcc1:amd64" ?
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2183[14:03:11] <themill> CuSn: plus the PPAs.
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2184[14:03:26] <CuSn> themill: I don't understand
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2187[14:03:51] <themill> Look at your own output
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2188[14:04:17] <CuSn> themill: the PPAs failed to install. they
were 404
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2189[14:04:44] <themill> You don't install a repository.
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2190[14:04:53] <CuSn> themill: and they are not in the list in
sources.list
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2191[14:04:59] <themill> yes they are
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2193[14:05:06] <themill> unless you edited it in the last 5 mins
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2194[14:05:25] <CuSn> which lineis the PPS?
replaced-url
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2195[14:05:29] <CuSn> PPAS
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2196[14:05:36] <themill> !show sources.list CuSn
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2197[14:05:36] <dpkg> CuSn: Please pastebin the contents of your
/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The
easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
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2198[14:05:49] <CuSn> themill:
replaced-url
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2199[14:05:53] <themill> no
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2205[14:07:02] <CuSn>
replaced-url
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2208[14:08:17] <themill> there you go
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2209[14:08:37] <userro> themill, apt-get - f install
libgcc1:amd64?
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2210[14:08:45] <themill> userro: no, apt-get -f install
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2211[14:08:56] <userro> nothing
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2213[14:09:07] <themill> good start
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2214[14:09:25] <userro> it just reads and does nothing
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2215[14:09:57] <CuSn> themill: OK, what am I looking at? (been
using Unix/Linux since 1980 but I'm not apt or repo literate,
frankly clueless on this )
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2216[14:10:55] <themill> CuSn: there's nothing mysterious.
Your error message lists repositories that are wrong. Your output
lists them.
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2219[14:11:27] <themill> I wouldn't be trusting
deb-multimedia in there either
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2221[14:12:44] <CuSn> themill: erk!
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2223[14:13:07] <CuSn> well given the sinature aren't there
inot trsting it is mandatory.
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2226[14:13:30] <userro> themill,
replaced-url
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2228[14:13:43] <themill> CuSn: the repo is signed and you can
import the key. the packages are crap and not needed
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2230[14:14:17] <themill> userro: lovely mixture of slightly out
of date sid and jessie there
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2231[14:14:24] <CuSn> how do you import a key?
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2232[14:14:43] <userro> what can I do about it?
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2233[14:14:46] <themill> CuSn: that website has instructions on
how to use it should you actually need to. (do you?)
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2234[14:14:53] <themill> userro: either upgrade to stretch or
reinstall
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2235[14:15:06] <CuSn> themill: my goal is to install ffmpeg. Is
it needed for that?
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2236[14:15:10] <themill> no
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2238[14:15:18] <CuSn> hokay...
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2240[14:15:33] <userro> upgrading to stretch ended badly last
time :(
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2241[14:15:42] <themill> CuSn: jessie-backports as described
earlier
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2243[14:16:07] <themill> userro: well if your collection of
packages is in an inconsistent and fundamentally broken state to
start with, the upgrade can be bumpy...
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2245[14:16:44] <userro> true
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2246[14:17:06] <Diablo3511> whats the topic
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2248[14:17:10] <mirazi_heket> hello, im on debian live 8.7 amd64,
and im trying reduce LVM by removing one of two disks (there is
enough space and it is experimental host so i can mess things up) -
pvmove says LVM is in degraded MODE, how i can reinitiate LVM?
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2249[14:17:12] <userro> I got ffmpeg from backports
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2250[14:17:18] <userro> CuSn
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2254[14:18:43] <themill> dpkg: tell CuSn about jessie-backports
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2257[14:19:24] <jelly> mirazi_heket: ask in #lvm channel maybe
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2258[14:19:32] <mirazi_heket> jelly: ok thx
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2260[14:19:48] <CuSn> themill: thanks, found it in the
scrollback, despite my aging, watery eyes : -)
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2261[14:20:16] <themill> :)
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2262[14:21:19] <userro> themill, is there any way to fix it
without upgrading or reinstalling?
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2263[14:21:20] <CuSn> themill: do you suggest removing
>>> deb
replaced-url
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2264[14:21:20] <CuSn> <<< from my sources.list?
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2265[14:21:38] <themill> yes. And that PPA
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2266[14:21:45] <CuSn> OK
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2267[14:21:46] <themill> dpkg: tell userro about partial
downgrade
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2268[14:22:19] <themill> !not available
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2269[14:22:20] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have
installed now, that are not available from any repository in your
sources.list: aptitude search
'?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2270[14:22:31] <themill> userro: ^^ you an start with that to see
how much work you've got to do
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2272[14:23:22] <userro> wtf is that? :D
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2276[14:23:46] <themill> an aptitude smiley
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2288[14:29:42] <CuSn> themill: Is that some sort of query
language embedded in aptitude search?
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2289[14:29:53] <themill> yes
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2290[14:30:01] <themill> !aptitude search
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2291[14:30:02] <dpkg> well, aptitude search is a powerful
searching facility that by default only searches package names, but
can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies
etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html (aptitude-doc
package),
replaced-url
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2292[14:30:05] <CuSn> is it in the man page?
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2293[14:30:12] <CuSn> heh.
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2295[14:30:21] <CuSn> I'm too slow! :-)
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2313[14:38:54] <CuSn> themill: i have a working ffmpeg installed.
Many thanks!
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2314[14:39:16] <themill> np
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2320[14:42:34] <hoobaman> hi guys
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2321[14:42:51] <hoobaman> any pulp alike tool available for
debian where i can lock/tag updates into a version?
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2340[14:51:19] <injustice`> I'm using jessie. I want to
create multiple persistent interfaces from a wireless card (as I
would with `iw phy phy0 interface add...`). I'd also like for
them to have distinct MAC addresses. How can I do this?
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2351[14:55:45] <strk> for some reason sshd on Debian8 does not
honour LANG env variable sent by ssh client, no matter if `AcceptEnv
LANG LC_*` is set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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2352[14:55:48] <strk> instead, the LANG env is always found to be
having the value specified in /etc/default/locale
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2353[14:55:55] <strk> ideas about why it it so ?
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2357[14:56:52] <babilen> strk: Did you set None as default locale
as recommended on
replaced-url
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2368[15:03:01] <nawk> hello
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2387[15:10:22] <strk> babilen: thanks! trying now
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2388[15:11:16] <strk> ok babilen here's the thing:
ther'es no None choice in the dialog-based configuration
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2389[15:11:39] <strk> which is what you get with the
`dpkg-reconfigure locales` command as recommended on
replaced-url
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2390[15:11:39] <dionysus69> how do I scan network that displays
hostname next to ip address?
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2391[15:11:59] <strk> is there anything we can do to improve this
?
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2394[15:13:07] <babilen> strk: Hmm, are you sure?
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2395[15:13:20] <strk> ok, then *next* screen, if I de-select the
pre-selected languages, gives me the "None" option
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2397[15:13:30] <strk> but I had to scroll down to look for what
was selected
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2398[15:13:42] <strk> maybe that depends on the LANG you have set
at the time
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2400[15:13:57] <babilen> strk: You should be able to select
whatever locales you want to generate and then select
"None" as default locale in the next screen
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2404[15:14:32] <babilen> And just to be clear: You'd do this
on the remote server
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2405[15:14:34] <strk> the produced /etc/default/locale is
#LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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2406[15:14:43] <strk> does it sound correct ? (just commented out
what I had ?)
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2409[15:15:04] <babilen> That doesn't sound too bad
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2412[15:15:31] <strk> I unselected everything, and still got
generated en_US.UTF-8 (which is ok to me)
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2415[15:16:01] <babilen> There is a difference as to which
locales are generated and the *default* locale setting
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2416[15:16:26] <babilen> Does SSH behave differently now? (migt
want to restart the daemon, not sure if necessary though and would
hope that it isn't)
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2418[15:17:15] <strk> Yep, I confirm it works, can wish you happy
π-day :)
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2420[15:17:40] <babilen> Hooray! 2017-03-14 ftw :)
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2421[15:17:45] <strk> no need to restart because the previous
setting also worked for me (the one you now see commented-out)
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2422[15:18:11] <strk> ok but let's reload to be sure
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2424[15:18:25] <strk> still working :) π
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2425[15:18:43] <babilen> .oO( Add more Gin & Tonic )
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2426[15:18:46] <strk> so, enough for the party, back to other
work, and thank you :)
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2427[15:18:52] <babilen> You are welcome
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2430[15:19:29] <strk> anyway, I'm curious... why isn't
the LANG sent by the *client* ssh used ?
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2431[15:19:47] <babilen> It's overridden by the default
setting
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2432[15:19:48] <strk> which was the question I came in with...
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2433[15:20:03] <strk> it's counter-intuitive for a
user-specified value to be *overridden* by a default
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2434[15:20:16] <squeeb_> Hi, how do I make sure a preseed script
DOESN'T create a swap partition? I'm using this recipe to
create a single lvm logical volume and format it
replaced-url
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2435[15:20:19] <strk> defaults are meant to kick in when nobody
specifies anything...
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2436[15:20:24] <babilen> If that wasn't the issue (I thought
you had just confirmed that it works now) you should look into the
SendEnv and AcceptEnv settings of the client and server respectively
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2437[15:20:40] <strk> I have AcceptEnv set to LANG LC_*
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2438[15:20:50] <squeeb_> But after reboot, there's a
/dev/pve/swap_1 partition
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2439[15:20:52] <strk> so yes, that's the issue
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2440[15:21:13] <babilen> Just to clarify: You do *not* set a
default locale and the server is *still* not accepting the settings
sent by the client?
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2442[15:21:29] <strk> where can I read more and eventually voice
my disagreement on the override choice ? :)
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2443[15:21:37] <strk> oh this is a good question
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2444[15:21:41] <strk> let me check
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2448[15:22:03] <strk> now it's honoured
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2449[15:22:03] <jelly> strk: probably source code of openssh
portable :-|
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2451[15:22:37] <babilen> strk: Wonderful .. I don't really
know *why* it is like that, but your question simply rang a bell and
I thought I mention the default locale thing
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2453[15:23:31] <babilen> I mean it helps if you don't want
to provide all the locales clients might connect with
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2454[15:23:39] <babilen> (who needs German anyway!?)
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2455[15:24:20] <strk> that sounds as a silly argument
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2456[15:24:32] <strk> I mean... a user is asking for a locale,
and you give him another ?
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2459[15:24:48] <strk> would just fail in a different way, but
still fail
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2460[15:24:55] <babilen> I wouldn't (and don't)
configure servers that way, but it is one use case that I can think
of
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2461[15:25:30] <strk> I guess I just wasn't careful enough
on some install or upgrade
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2465[15:25:59] <strk> this was a preinstalled ovh.net host so not
even sure it was me or someone else configuring it
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2466[15:26:04] <babilen> I don't think that many people
understand or are aware of the effect that setting has in relation
to SSH
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2467[15:26:17] <strk> I bet, talks about *default*
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2468[15:26:22] <strk> and then *enforces* something
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2469[15:26:25] <babilen> OVH really shouldn't configure
their images like that
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2470[15:26:26] <strk> to me that's a bug and should be fixed
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2471[15:26:46] <sypher> OVH shouldn't do almost anything
they do in the way that they do it.
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2472[15:26:52] <babilen> hahahaha
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2474[15:27:14] <strk> a default is not enforced, by definition
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2550[15:58:38] <moldy> hi
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2561[16:02:20] <archer121__> I am having a very strange issue. I
have a server with a website being hosted on both debian and ubuntu
installed on the machine. The machine is given the same IP i both
the OSes. The website is not accesseble outside the subnet on the
debian machine, but works outside the subnet on the ubuntu OS. Is
there some config in debian which restricts ports to the subnet?
Other machines also show the same issue.
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2564[16:03:29] <jelly> archer121__: verify network is confiogured
correctly: default route, netmask, network address, not just ip
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2578[16:12:40] <archer121__> jelly: My netmask is 255.255.255.0,
network is 192.168.240.0, gateway is gateway 192.168.240.1, and
address is address 192.168.240.167. Where can I find the default
route?
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2579[16:13:03] <archer121__> I am reporting these values from
/etc/network/interfaces
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2584[16:15:47] <archer121__> All values except
"network" looks okay, idk what this option is.
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2601[16:22:38] <jelly> archer121__: gateway value is used for
default route.
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2602[16:22:46] <jelly> archer121__: "ip r"
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2603[16:22:59] <jelly> to see current state of routing table
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2608[16:23:40] <archer121__> jelly: This is what I get:
192.168.240.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src
192.168.240.167
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2612[16:25:10] <jelly> archer121__: is that all?
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2613[16:25:17] <jelly> archer121__: then you don't have a
default route
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2614[16:25:26] <archer121__> nah, sorry, my mistake
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2616[16:25:40] <archer121__> I missed the first line.
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2618[16:26:03] <archer121__>
replaced-url
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2619[16:26:31] <jelly> that looks fine
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2620[16:26:47] <jelly> archer121__: can you eg. "ping
google.com" from that system?
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2625[16:28:38] <seoner> Is there any minimum system requirements
to use KDE?
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2628[16:30:23] <jelly> archer121__: if you can, then network
settings on that ssytem are probably fine. which network segment are
you failing to connect from? How are you testing?
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2640[16:33:25] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: 1Ghz, 512M, 2G disk.
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2642[16:33:51] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: You will not be happy with
those specs, but it can run.
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2643[16:34:06] <seoner> jhutchins_wk: What about graphic card?
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2644[16:34:07] <archer121__> jelly: I can ping fine. I cannot
connect from any other subnets. I am testing my connecting to a
server in a different subnet and using w3m to connect to my server.
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2645[16:34:19] <archer121__> s/my/by
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2646[16:34:20] <babilen> seoner: Which hardware do you have
available?
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2648[16:34:51] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: Graphics card capable of
1024x768 resolution (if using VDPAU, 256MB minimum)
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2651[16:35:07] <jelly> archer121__: which exact IP are you
connecting from? What's the command line used? What's the
network config there and do any of the routers in between do NAT?
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2653[16:35:29] <jhutchins_wk> seoner: I've run it at lower
resolution than that, but that was pre-4.
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2657[16:36:29] <seoner> jhutchins_wk:ok thank you
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2665[16:38:16] <archer121__> I am trying to connect to
192.168.240.11 from 192.168.40.99.
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2669[16:39:45] <archer121__> The command used is `w3m
replaced-url
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2671[16:40:02] <jelly> archer121__: is it 192.168.240.11 or
192.168.240.167 ?
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2674[16:40:20] <seoner> Will my computer become slower with
encrypted LVM?
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2675[16:40:27] <jelly> archer121__: your info showed
192.168.240.167 for the web server, above
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2677[16:41:15] <petn-randall> seoner: Not noticebly if your CPU
supports AESNI, which most current processors do.
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2681[16:41:36] <archer121__> jelly: Sorry for the confusion,
192.168.240.167 has debian alone, so I cannot test with Ubuntu.
192.168.240.11 has both debian and ubuntu installed.
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2682[16:42:02] <archer121__> The way I see it, debian systems
from my subnet are not accessable from outside, for some reason.
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2684[16:42:40] <teraflops> seoner: it depends on your processor
CPU mainly
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2686[16:43:17] <jelly> archer121__: so which one is the right
address for the web server?
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2691[16:43:50] <archer121__> 192.168.240.11
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2694[16:45:14] <seoner> petn-randall: How do I know if my CPU
supports AESNI?
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2696[16:45:45] <archer121__> though both my debian systems
(192.168.240.11 and 192.168.240.167) have the same issue.
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2697[16:45:49] <teraflops> seoner: grep aes /proc/cpuinfo
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2702[16:47:54] <seoner> teraflops: and if no output?
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2705[16:48:16] <teraflops> no support?
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2707[16:48:36] <teraflops> seoner: which cpu there?
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2708[16:48:54] <seoner> teraflops: so if there is output then it
supports AESNI?
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2709[16:49:14] <teraflops> yes^
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2710[16:49:42] <seoner> Why is there no encryption options
without LVM in the installation?
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2713[16:49:59] <squeeb_> Does anyone know where
`/dev/mapper/vg-swap_1` comes from during a preseed?
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2715[16:50:16] <squeeb_> I've explicitly set it to make two
LVs and yet it keeps making more
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2717[16:50:33] <seoner> Why does it have to be LVN?
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2718[16:50:43] <petn-randall> seoner: Because it only makes sense
in borderline cases.
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2722[16:51:30] <petn-randall> seoner: The only case it would be
the same is if you had a single partition without swap. In all other
cases you'd end up with multiple LUKS volumes and multiple
passwords to type.
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2724[16:51:54] <petn-randall> seoner: Which doesn't improve
security but improves the chances of password fatigue and user
error.
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2727[16:52:13] <georgia> does anybody know if I can use pv to
monitor the progress of cruft?
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2741[16:58:19] <BluesKaj> jelly, are there any PIA VPN servers
that aren't blocked when i try to connect to debian wiki sites
like this one?
replaced-url
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2742[16:58:47] <seoner> petn-randall: Does the encryption provide
AES+XTS or what else?
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2746[16:59:22] <jelly> BluesKaj: no idea, that usually happens if
your range is on a blacklist due to abuse (spam)
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2750[17:00:00] <BluesKaj> jelly, yes, I'm aware , just
wondered if all PIA servers are blocked
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2751[17:00:49] <jelly> BluesKaj: only debian wiki team knows?
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2752[17:01:01] <BluesKaj> ok anyway , BBL.
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2756[17:02:27] <petn-randall> seoner: It's whatever the
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2760[17:03:47] <seoner> petn-randall: So if I install debian with
encrypted LVM, What encryption will it use?
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2761[17:04:11] <petn-randall> seoner: Look it up, I don't
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2773[17:07:18] <jhutchins_wk> I thought good practice recommended
encrypting swap.
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2872[17:48:30] <wppp> not trying to be trolly here - but ferm is
so much better than this iptables stuff :P
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2873[17:48:35] <wppp> I know, both use netfilter
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2876[17:49:47] <babilen> ...
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2879[17:51:48] <jelly> wppp: of course, one is a higher level
wrapper for multiple tools, one is a lower level tool
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2881[17:52:28] <jelly> apples and orange pies
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2883[17:52:38] <wppp> hm
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2884[17:52:44] <wppp> I had pain with iptables :/
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2885[17:52:50] <squeeb_> There's so many now, csf / ferm /
ufw
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2886[17:52:53] <squeeb_> apf .
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2887[17:52:55] <jelly> wppp: do you have a debian support
question?
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2892[17:53:27] <jelly> if not, perhaps you wanted
#debian-offtopic channel instead
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2900[17:55:03] <hiya> jelly, my laptop's performance has
gone bad all of a sudden, the pointer lags and freezes
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2901[17:55:03] <jelly> !next
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2902[17:55:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2907[17:56:21] <jhutchins_wk> hiya:
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2908[17:56:23] <lmw> ACPI Error: [\_SB_.PCI0.XHC_.RHUB.HS11]
Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/dswload-210)
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2909[17:56:25] <jelly> hiya: start by inspecting resource issues
(enough RAM, active swapping? disk i/o?)
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2910[17:56:26] <lmw> Any solution?
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2911[17:56:38] <jelly> lmw: what's the problem?
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2912[17:56:45] <lmw> jelly: idk, I just get the kernel log
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2915[17:56:57] <jelly> lmw: does anything fail to work because of
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2917[17:57:12] <lmw> My power LED blinks red when I shutdown
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2920[17:57:23] <jelly> lmw: is that a bug or a feature?
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2921[17:57:54] <lmw> doesn't looks normal, ASUS said it
means a firmware failure, but it's healthly, already updated it
etc
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2925[17:58:37] <jelly> I guess you'll have to take it up
with the hw vendor
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2928[17:59:38] <jelly> that acpi error doesn't mean much on
its own -- it means acpi interpreter found something weird in acpi
bios, but does not necessarily mean something broke
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2938[18:02:47] <hiya> jelly, I think it is owing to the bad
sectors of disk or maybe because I am using Full disk encryption
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2946[18:04:05] <jelly> hiya: don't think. Look at the
numbers, instead.
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2964[18:12:36] <hiya> jelly, number of what?
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2972[18:14:40] <jelly> hiya: start by inspecting resource issues
(enough RAM, active swapping? disk i/o?)
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2974[18:15:13] <jelly> kernel logs suggesting disk issues?
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2975[18:15:36] <jelly> cpu% spent on what?
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2976[18:15:40] <jelly> that sort of thing
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2979[18:16:12] <hiya> jelly, CPU is not being used much
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2980[18:16:14] <hiya> and so is RAM
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2981[18:16:25] <hiya> I would have to bring kernel logs
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3017[18:30:50] <quesada> how's multitouch in linux nowadays?
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3023[18:32:30] <cerealkill3r> Hi everyone, I have a problem with
my wifi ( lspci shows 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros
Device 0042 (rev 30) ). I think I need to install drivers for it (
running on Jessie with 3.16 Kernel )
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3024[18:33:14] <mtn> cerealkill3r: did you install the atheros
firmware package?
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3025[18:33:20] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I'm guessing
you're missing the firmware. In the output of
'dmesg', is there any mentioning of missing firmware?
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3026[18:33:35] <cerealkill3r> mtn, Yes i did
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3033[18:35:21] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Right now I'm
connected through with an external wifi adapter. I'm gonna show
you the output of dmesg on pastebin right now
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3036[18:35:59] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r:
replaced-url
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3037[18:36:13] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall,
replaced-url
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3039[18:37:03] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, I have a hard time
figuring out what I have to do in order for it to work, I tried
installing the atheros firmware package, but that didn't work
out
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3051[18:39:51] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Looks like the kernel
doesn't even attempt to load the module for your wifi. I'd
check if you can enable it somehow via some switch. If that
doesn't work, I'd try a newer kernel from jessie-backports
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3053[18:40:23] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Last night I
attempted to upgrade my kernel to 4.9 and that was a bad idea, it
didn't boot afterwards xD
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3055[18:41:09] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Worst case you just
have to select the older kernel from grub, shouldn't be that
disruptive.
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3056[18:41:47] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, When you say
"some switch" are you referring to a switch in the UI?
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3059[18:43:30] <quesada> I only get one finger on a multitouch
screen. I'm not sure I'm missing drivers, or config, or
this is the state of screen multitouch in linux
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3062[18:43:43] <mtn> cerealkill3r: install inxi and the run: inxi
-Nnxx paste the results to dpaste.com
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3064[18:45:24] <cerealkill3r> mtn,
replaced-url
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3066[18:45:55] <cerealkill3r> mtn, The second one is my external
wifi adapter which I use to connect to, the first one is the one not
working
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3068[18:47:00] <mtn> cerealkill3r: neither card 3 or 4 are
working.
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3073[18:49:10] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I mean a physical
switch, if there is one. Most thinkpads for example have a physical
switch on the side to activate the wifi, or a keyboard combo to
enable it.
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3074[18:49:39] <mtn> cerealkill3r: definitely try the kernel from
backports
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3075[18:49:46] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, That would be dump if
that was the issue, I will try now
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3076[18:50:25] <cerealkill3r> mtn, I tried 4.9 last night and it
wouldnt work, would upgrading to something older work?
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3077[18:50:27] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I won't
necessarily fix it, but it would tell in dmesg which firmware it was
trying to load.
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3078[18:50:41] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: I'd retry 4.9
and we can debug any issue you're seeing.
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3081[18:51:13] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Thank you, I'll
first try to see about the physical switch for a minute, then we
could do that
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3086[18:54:34] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Yeah, can't find
anything about the switch, It's a lenovo e31-80
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3089[18:55:06] <cerealkill3r> I could try to upgrade the kernel,
but I'm gonnna have trouble with it and it would be kind of
hard since I'm a newbie
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3093[18:56:48] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: Don't worry, if
it doesn't boot cleanly, just turn it off, then when it boots
hit the escape key in grub and select the 3.16 kernel.
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3094[18:57:08] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Alright, thank you :)
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3102[18:58:15] <cerealkill3r> petn-randall, Added the backports
to my sources.list, but what's the command for upgrading?
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3103[18:58:23] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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3104[18:58:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
(4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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3107[18:59:13] <Chris-Pc> salut
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3111[18:59:23] <Chris-Pc> salut c est un peux tard mais y a t il
encore quelqu un pour me guider pour la mise a jour de php sur une
debian
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3112[18:59:31] <greycat> !fr
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3114[18:59:32] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french,
please go to #debianfr.
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3115[18:59:32] <petn-randall> !fr
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3117[19:00:08] <Chris-Pc> merci
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3122[19:01:35] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Instructions can be
found on the backports webpage.
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3125[19:02:13] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 168c:0042
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3126[19:02:14] <judd> [168c:0042] is 'QCA9377 802.11ac
Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros'
with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also
replaced-url
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3128[19:02:46] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, ?
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3130[19:03:50] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Is there no module
for my card ?
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3134[19:04:44] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Looks like it was
added ~4.4, so the backport kernel should support it. I don't
think judd checks backports, not sure why it says it's not in
sid. Definitely worth a try.
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3137[19:05:03] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Thank you so much
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3138[19:05:23] <cerealkill3r> Should I try to upgrade straight to
4.9?
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3140[19:05:29] <cerealkill3r> Or just 4.4
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3141[19:05:44] <greycat> There's no 4.4 kernels in Debian.
Just 4.9.
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3143[19:06:18] <greycat> See judd's response to ,kernels up
there a few minutes back.
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3148[19:07:23] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You will probably
need the firmware from backports as well.
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3151[19:08:02] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Usually if something
is "fixed" in a certain version of the kernel, it stays
fixed in later versions.
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3153[19:08:18] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I'm kind of
lost. The command for upgrading would be apt-get install -t
jessie-backports ( and then ? )
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3155[19:08:25] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: So 4.9 should include
any support that was merged into 4.4.
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3157[19:09:15] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Something like apt
install -t jessie-backports linux-image-amd64
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3160[19:10:05] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Oky, doing it right
now. Would you like me to pastebin the output of that?
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3162[19:10:15] <cerealkill3r> As it gave some possible missing
firmware warnings
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3163[19:10:18] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: apt/aptitude/apt-get
update first of course.
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3166[19:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Are the firmware
warnings relevant?
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3169[19:11:15] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Don't think so,
here's the ouptut :
replaced-url
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3174[19:12:19] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I'm gonna reboot
it now and see if it works.
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3181[19:15:37] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Those warnings are
for realtek cards.
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3183[19:15:47] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, So, I upgraded the
kernel, it doesnt boot, I'm back to 3.16 right now
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3185[19:16:26] <cerealkill3r> I got two failed to load errors
when it tried to boot
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3186[19:16:46] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Next step is to
figure out why 4.9 isn't booting.
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3187[19:17:05] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Ok, Are there any log
files anywhere pointing to that?
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3189[19:17:26] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: They usually get
overwritten by the next (successful) boot.
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3190[19:17:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Oh, ok, what would be
the next step?
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3191[19:17:53] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I would try booting
into rescue mode or multi-user.target - no GUI.
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3192[19:18:05] <jhutchins_wk> !rescue mode
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3193[19:18:06] <dpkg> Debian-Installer has a recovery
('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB
or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide
("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me
about <install guide>.
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3194[19:18:29] <greycat> "Where's the Installation
Guide"
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3195[19:18:34] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, rescue mode of the
4.9 kernel, right?
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3196[19:19:07] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I think so, I
haven't had to use that very often. Do you know how to do that?
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3198[19:19:22] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Yes, but what should
i do once there?
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3199[19:19:59] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Figure out what
isn't loading, like maybe there's a problem with the
graphics drivers. Have you installed any special driver for the
graphics?
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3200[19:20:21] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, No
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3201[19:20:30] <greycat> dpkg, rescue mode =~ s#Installation
Guide#<install guide>#
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3202[19:20:30] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3203[19:20:33] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You also haven't
described what happens when it "doesn't boot".
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3205[19:20:57] <greycat> dpkg, rescue mode =~ s#; ask me about
<install guide>.#:
replaced-url
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3206[19:20:57] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3207[19:21:19] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, It gives me two
missing firmware warnings and doesnt do anything than that. I can
change the tty to another one and that works
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3208[19:22:00] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Excellent. Are the
firmware warnings for hardware you actually have or are they for the
realtek stuff again?
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3211[19:22:46] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, One of them is
ath_9k_htc ( that would most likely be my not working network card )
and one of them is rtl_nic
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3215[19:24:05] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
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3216[19:24:06] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free:
20161130-2
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3217[19:24:29] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Install that from
backports.
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3220[19:24:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Both of them?
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3221[19:25:18] <cerealkill3r> Sorry, you meant firmware-linux
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3222[19:25:35] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I think
firmware-linux-nonfree includes both of them. I'm not sure
what's in -nonfree vs. -free vs. firmware-linux.
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3223[19:25:59] <greycat> If it's a wireless card, bet money
it's in -nonfree.
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3225[19:26:05] <petn-randall> firmware-linux just depends on both
*-nonfree and *-free.
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3226[19:26:23] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, that's what's
usually recommended.
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3227[19:26:32] <petn-randall> and they in turn just depend on all
the respective free/non-free firmware packages.
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3228[19:26:37] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Ah, so it gets all of
the files.
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3229[19:26:47] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Alright, I installed
that module, should i reboot and try the 4.9 kernel again?
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3231[19:26:59] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firmware-linux
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3232[19:27:00] <judd> Package: firmware-linux on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free:
20161130-2
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3233[19:27:24] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Should i install
firmware-linux too?
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3235[19:27:45] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: That would pull in
everything at the cost of a little disk space (not much).
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3237[19:27:53] <greycat> Shouldn't hurt.
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3239[19:28:08] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Great, shall I try to
reboot into 4.9 again?
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3241[19:28:25] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Yes. Possibly to
rescue mode as you saw messages that way.
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3243[19:28:40] <petn-randall> cerealkill3r: When everythin is
installed, give it a go. Remember, you can go back to the older
kernel in grub.
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3244[19:28:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, I saw messages when I
booted into normal mode
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3248[19:29:22] <kion> what is the right procedure to upgrade from
jessie to stretch?
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3251[19:29:51] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
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3252[19:29:51] <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a
pre-release distribution without timely security support and that
you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target>
<testing> <testing security>. From
/etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like
jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get
update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more
instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
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3254[19:29:57] <jhutchins_wk> cereal_poster: Ah, normal it is
then.
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3256[19:30:13] <jhutchins_wk> afk for a moment.
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3257[19:30:22] <cereal_poster> jhutchins_wk, hi
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3268[19:34:36] <cerealkill3r> Ok so, didn't work. But i
saved the log to a text file while in recovery mode
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3275[19:37:00] <jhutchins_wk> back
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3276[19:37:18] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: You saved dmesg?
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3277[19:37:25] <jhutchins_wk> cereal_poster: Oops.
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3278[19:37:34] <cereal_poster> no problem
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3279[19:37:44] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk,
replaced-url
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3283[19:38:30] <cerealkill3r> cerealkill3r, journalctl output
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3293[19:42:20] <kion> If I am running jessie and install one
stretch package via dpkg -i, will it cause problems when upgrading
to stretch?
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3295[19:43:20] <greycat> It will cause problems *now*.
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3296[19:43:27] <greycat> !don't break debian
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3297[19:43:27] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is
replaced-url
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3298[19:43:30] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Looks remarkably
clean.
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3300[19:44:35] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Why would it not boot
then? ( the ath_9k error is still there, the other one got fixed by
installing linux-firmware-nonfree)
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3307[19:45:58] <kion> greycat, I understand it is not the best
option but I need to work with a package that does not exist in
jessie and exists in stretch... what should I do?
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3308[19:46:18] <greycat> Does it not exist in jessie-backports?
Which package?
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3315[19:47:40] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: It _is_ booting, it
appears to just not be loading the GUI.
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3317[19:47:52] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, should i try startx?
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3318[19:47:59] <cerealkill3r> from another tty
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3319[19:48:19] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: I'm not sure of
the difference between the journal and dmesg, dmesg may provide some
hints; also /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it's getting that far.
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3320[19:48:43] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, Should i try that
again and give you the output of dmesg?
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3328[19:50:53] <kion> greycat, the package name is calculix I
don't think there is a backport for it
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3330[19:51:49] <greycat> ,v calculix
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3331[19:51:50] <judd> No package named 'calculix' was
found in amd64.
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3332[19:51:59] <greycat> Is it a non-Debian package?
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3336[19:52:58] <kion> greycat, sorry try calculix-ccx
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3337[19:53:06] <greycat> ,v calculix-ccx
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3338[19:53:07] <judd> Package: calculix-ccx on amd64 -- sid:
2.11-1; stretch: 2.11-1
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3339[19:53:16] <greycat> ,depends calculix-ccx
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3340[19:53:17] <judd> No package named 'calculix-ccx'
was found in jessie/amd64.
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3341[19:53:24] <greycat> ,depends calculix-ccx --release stretch
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3342[19:53:25] <judd> Package calculix-ccx in stretch/amd64 --
depends: libarpack2 (>= 2.1), libblas3 | libblas.so.3, libc6
(>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0), libgfortran3 (>= 4.6),
libgomp1 (>= 4.9), liblapack3 | liblapack.so.3, libquadmath0
(>= 4.6), libspooles2.2.
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3343[19:54:21] <greycat> ,checkbackport calculix-ccx
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3344[19:54:22] <judd> Backporting package calculix-ccx in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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3346[19:54:43] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry, real life.
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3347[19:54:46] <greycat> Best bet is to try building your own
backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport)
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3350[19:55:24] <kion> greycat, ok, I will try building my own
backport
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3357[19:59:27] <cerealkill3r> jhutchins_wk, So, here's the
output of dmesg
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3368[20:03:11] <jhutchins_wk> cerealkill3r: Not easy to parse it
all, is it?
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