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• 5[00:03:33] <f-a> I am using urxvt, what do I have to apt-get to display this 👏 not as a box?
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• 10[00:06:40] <aexl> f-a: replaced-url
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• 14[00:08:20] <f-a> aexl: xterm (trying now) does not display the character too
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• 20[00:14:56] <aloo_shu> f-a: if the character isn't displaying, it means the chosen font doesn't have it, or possibly no system font has it. If you had the two byte unicode number of that char, you might luck out searching packages
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• 24[00:16:15] <aloo_shu> or, more generally, name or code could allow you to identify character *sets* the character is typically part of, and search these
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• 26[00:17:04] <jmcnaught> ,i fonts-symbola
• 27[00:17:05] <judd> Package fonts-symbola (fonts, optional) in stretch/amd64: symbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 7.0. Version: 2.59-1; Size: 1186.3k; Installed: 2966k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 28[00:17:08] <f-a> aloo_shu: I am using Monospace, how to check whether it is present?
• 29[00:17:15] <f-a> and I *did* install fonts-symbola
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• 31[00:19:35] <n0000b__> after update LOCAL* stuff try close all open X sessions and relogin
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• 35[00:20:18] <f-a> n0000b__: how to update local?
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• 41[00:22:10] <aexl> read my link
• 42[00:22:15] <__m4ch1n3__> damn see only box too :D
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• 45[00:24:05] <__m4ch1n3__> but also in firefox and hexchat
• 46[00:24:15] <aloo_shu> would be a first step to see the new font picked up anywhere (e.g. notepad app)
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• 48[00:25:14] <f-a> aloo_shu: gets picked up in leafpad
• 49[00:25:17] <EdePopede> liberation mono and it works. but don't such things get displayed with alternative fonts?
• 50[00:25:35] <f-a> and font there is "monospace", as in urxvt/xterm
• 51[00:26:00] <aloo_shu> and then, technically, emojis don't belong to any one font, right?, how is that handled
• 52[00:26:46] <__m4ch1n3__> how would be exact Xresource name for liberation mono?
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• 54[00:27:08] <EdePopede> iirc it was in #hexchat where someone mentioned that substitution thing
• 55[00:27:42] <EdePopede> __m4ch1n3__: xfontsel may be of help. though i don't remember if it can use arbitrary strings for the preview
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• 57[00:28:17] <EdePopede> or maybe there is something with a 'g' in front. xfontsel is a real oldschooler :)
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• 59[00:29:14] <EdePopede> there should be gucharmap
• 60[00:29:28] <f-a> solved
• 61[00:29:30] <f-a> URxvt*font: xft:Monospace:size=9:antialias=true:hinting=true,xft:Symbola
• 62[00:29:44] <f-a> adding ,xft:Symbola did the trick (line from .XDefaults)
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• 65[00:31:17] <f-a> thanks everyone
• 66[00:31:38] <aexl> i don't have any Xdefaults
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• 70[00:32:55] <__m4ch1n3__> .Xresources maybe?
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• 73[00:33:52] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm doesnt work for me :(
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• 75[00:34:09] <f-a> __m4ch1n3__: ha to restart X
• 76[00:34:12] <f-a> *had
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• 80[00:35:35] <__m4ch1n3__> hmmm
• 81[00:35:39] <__m4ch1n3__> :(
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• 84[00:36:31] <__m4ch1n3__> URxvt.font: xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=14:antialias=true:hinting=true,xft:Symbola
• 85[00:36:42] <__m4ch1n3__> but it doesnt work
• 86[00:36:56] <f-a> __m4ch1n3__: have you installed fonts-symbola
• 87[00:37:29] <__m4ch1n3__> no :3
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• 92[00:38:37] <aexl> me neither but i can see the unicode char
• 93[00:38:37] <__m4ch1n3__> yes baby
• 94[00:39:09] <f-a> well done __m4ch1n3__
• 95[00:40:24] <__m4ch1n3__> 👏
• 96[00:40:32] <__m4ch1n3__> ah nice
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• 98[00:41:13] <__m4ch1n3__> but is antialias & hinting enabled for both?
• 99[00:41:14] <aexl> i can't see that one in chrome though
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• 101[00:41:41] <__m4ch1n3__> or should i add it again aftter xft:
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• 105[00:43:18] <EdePopede> .Xresources, .Xdefaults - one of them is history, the other one to be used now. one is read at login, one for every shell. but which is which :shrug:
• 106[00:44:53] <aaro> Xdefaults is the history one
• 107[00:45:08] <__m4ch1n3__> look at last modification date?
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• 109[00:46:56] <aexl> i've got a folder /etc/X11/Xresources/ - one of the files is x11-common from 2009 ...
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• 112[00:48:25] <aexl> my ~/.Xresources is from 2017 but only contains a link to xscreensaver.log
• 113[00:49:01] <__m4ch1n3__> now how do i make this work on debian? replaced-url
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• 115[00:50:23] <__m4ch1n3__> tabbedex instead of tabbed
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• 119[00:51:38] <__m4ch1n3__> the only way to close tasbs with default tabbed perl extension is to type exit into tab, that sucks
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• 121[00:52:47] <aaro> i'd rather use a multiplexer like tmux, screen or dvtm
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• 133[00:58:14] <_m4ch1n3_> ctrl + righ click = dropdown menu with copy/past from/to clipboard
• 134[00:58:34] <_m4ch1n3_> *paste
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• 137[00:58:56] <_m4ch1n3_> tmux cant do that or?
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• 144[01:06:09] <asterismo_l> hi
• 145[01:06:15] <aaro> in tmux? with the shift pressed
• 146[01:06:22] <_m4ch1n3_> ohh looks like i tried an not uptodate tabbedex perl file
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• 148[01:06:36] <asterismo_l> i have a question, i have an encrypted LVM in a RAID1 disk array
• 149[01:06:40] <_m4ch1n3_> this should work replaced-url
• 150[01:07:13] <asterismo_l> but the 1TB disks are formatted to 500gb disks that where replaced in time with 1TB ones.
• 151[01:07:41] <asterismo_l> i wonder if i can do a safe resize of the raid to fill the entire 1TB capacity
• 152[01:09:08] <ksk> I would think most stacks support growing in size, but recommend having backups, as you are fiddling with filesystems and the layers around.
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• 193[01:43:50] <jasonwc> Where can I find a list of packages installed by debootstrap (Buster). More specifically, I'm trying to determine whether it installs nano by default.
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• 196[01:44:33] <jasonwc> nevermind, it appears to include nano
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• 199[01:47:46] <_m4ch1n3_> doesnt debootstrap offer diffrent options like minimal, server .... ?
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• 210[01:54:13] <_m4ch1n3_> oh wait
• 211[01:54:16] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
• 212[01:54:37] <_m4ch1n3_> you can add packages in multistrap by adding
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• 217[01:55:10] <_m4ch1n3_> packages=<package> lines
• 218[01:55:16] <_m4ch1n3_> to config
• 219[01:55:20] <_m4ch1n3_> packages=nano
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• 239[02:05:54] <outoftime> Where I can ask to test binary? replaced-url
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• 376[04:05:27] <zerobam> hi
• 377[04:05:48] <zerobam> is there a package to fix year 2038 problem?
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• 441[05:19:28] <SerajewelKS> aloo_shu: (re using the pulse eq module while under jack) no because ardour makes that redundant. if i'm going to use jack i may as well take advantage of everything i can do with it.
• 442[05:20:37] <aloo_shu> yeah sure, that was just 'for fun' in the sense of ruling out, SerajewelKS
• 443[05:20:49] <SerajewelKS> yeah. i just never looked back. :)
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• 445[05:20:59] <SerajewelKS> i'm even using jack on windows now
• 446[05:21:12] <aloo_shu> ardour is trying hard to even make jack redundant
• 447[05:22:05] <SerajewelKS> i don't think that's likely to happen
• 448[05:22:40] <SerajewelKS> unless ardour has some trick up its sleeve to allow applications to send audio directly to ardour, and to implement networked audio
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• 450[05:23:58] <SerajewelKS> and that would mean either making everything else implement ardour's API, or ardour pretending to be something else (ALSA, pulse, jack)
• 451[05:24:12] <SerajewelKS> which then means reinventing that other thing. for what purpose?
• 452[05:25:16] <aloo_shu> saving on content switches for high number of buses projects, according to devs
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• 455[05:26:16] <SerajewelKS> hmm
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• 457[05:26:32] <SerajewelKS> seems like they would be better off just e.g. integrating a jack server
• 458[05:26:55] <SerajewelKS> it's going to be a huge uphill battle to get any applications to support them unless they implement another widely-used interface
• 459[05:27:28] <aloo_shu> it's that kind of FOSS project that has seen money walk into the door, in the shape of harrison consoles, nasa contractor!
• 460[05:28:31] <aloo_shu> the interface would be lv2 or other plugin formats
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• 462[05:28:59] <SerajewelKS> for DSP sure
• 463[05:29:29] <SerajewelKS> i guess if you're using a single hardware interface for audio then it doesn't much matter since you can directly drive it
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• 465[05:29:40] <SerajewelKS> e.g. on windows ardour can use ASIO drivers as the backend
• 466[05:30:05] <aloo_shu> but as it is, ardour with alsa hasn't convinced me, at best, it's not worse than a jack session
• 467[05:31:10] <SerajewelKS> hasn't convinced you of what?
• 468[05:31:25] <aloo_shu> multiple hw interfaces are a mess in any case, unless they're so pro-grade that they take ext. clock
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• 470[05:32:36] <aloo_shu> convinced me of using it when I don't need jack, and eg. get better latencies
• 471[05:33:13] <SerajewelKS> that's probably fine if you're only mixing audio from hardware
• 472[05:33:41] <SerajewelKS> the advantage to my pulse-jack-ardour setup is that i can have desktop audio sources come in on different tracks
• 473[05:34:33] <SerajewelKS> which i have practical uses for. eqing my music the same regardless of what music player i use, compressing twitch streams because nobody seems to have agreed on a standard audio level and most streamers apparently don't know to compress their mic.
• 474[05:35:29] <SerajewelKS> games come in on another channel, which feeds into the music compression sidechain so that game audio ducks my music
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• 476[05:39:22] <_m4ch1n3_> there is patchbay for jack
• 477[05:39:30] <aloo_shu> actually all the sort of use cases pulse, with its modular & extensible 'design', claims to cater to, lol
• 478[05:39:36] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
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• 480[05:40:33] <SerajewelKS> _m4ch1n3_: patchbay is just a way to automate connections
• 481[05:40:51] <SerajewelKS> (i'm not even sure what point you're trying to make)
• 482[05:40:51] <aloo_shu> rncbc is developping an entire DAW, qtractor
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• 484[05:41:23] <SerajewelKS> aloo_shu: indeed, it's a bit silly. pulse came along claiming to be the ultimate in desktop audio and an eq doesn't even work right. pulse sitting on jack, though, is magic.
• 485[05:41:48] <SerajewelKS> i'm happy that everything supports pulse just because that means everything can pass audio to jack
• 486[05:42:46] <aloo_shu> jack *is* a patchbay, the jack server provides exactly that functionality; frontends there are many
• 487[05:43:18] <SerajewelKS> i think he's speaking of the qjackctl patchbay, which provides a way to make connections persistent
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• 493[05:48:57] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
• 494[05:49:49] <aloo_shu> then there's ajsnapshot, cadence/catia, higher level connection management like lash/ladish, to which again, there'd be various frontends; ardour's connection manager itself would function as a jack frontend when running under jack, and you'd find connections made there reflected in qujackctl connections, likewise with connections made through plugin hosts as lv2rack, calf plugin rack, jack rack..
• 495[05:50:37] <aloo_shu> patchage is the ladish gui ubuntustudio was bundling
• 496[05:50:42] <aloo_shu> iirc
• 497[05:51:31] <SerajewelKS> right, the ardour routing grid does manage jack connections. but it's distinct from the qjackctl patchbay, which is _not_ the same thing as the qjackctl connections manager.
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• 501[05:52:40] <aloo_shu> still, what patchage does, will show up in qujackctl's connection tab, in catia, and probably, there's a way to make jack spit out a listing of clients & connections from cli, too
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• 503[05:53:32] <SerajewelKS> there is
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• 505[05:53:51] <aloo_shu> yep, patchbay adds persistence, ajsnapshot would do similar
• 506[05:53:59] <SerajewelKS> the patchbay is for setting up rules that automatically connect things. which is great in a few cases for me. networked jack is one of them, because network clients are not automatically connected to anything at all.
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• 508[05:55:26] <Haxxa> So my Security Camera Debian Virtual Machine has kernel panic'ed : replaced-url
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• 511[05:57:55] <_m4ch1n3_> would first take a look in /var/log/syslog
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• 513[05:58:13] <sneep> Haxxa: It's still in that panic'd state right?
• 514[05:58:24] <aloo_shu> SerajewelKS: apart from jack networked driver backends, there are purely jack client based jack network solutions, zita something
• 515[05:58:26] <Haxxa> sneep yeah
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• 517[05:58:50] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, so reboot it then, otherwise I can't look at logs?
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• 519[05:59:15] <_m4ch1n3_> you could mount vmhdd to a host path or?
• 520[05:59:25] <aloo_shu> zitaj2n, zitaj2j, don't remember, SerajewelKS
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• 522[06:00:10] <sneep> hrm, virtualbox would allow you to look at dmesg without rebooting, not sure about qemu
• 523[06:00:21] <_m4ch1n3_> you could create a copy vm hdd file and let vm like it is first
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• 526[06:01:37] <raidensnake> does anyone know about setting up embedded sim lte modems?
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• 529[06:02:33] <_m4ch1n3_> Haxxa, did you any usb port/device passthrough to vm?
• 530[06:02:44] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, yes a webcam
• 531[06:03:25] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, no faults for years though only after I added new recording for the ip camera did the kernel panic occur
• 532[06:03:35] <Haxxa> (3 days later)
• 533[06:03:57] <raidensnake> I want to set up my 4g modem to connect online die to having to wifi anywhere near me.
• 534[06:04:17] <raidensnake> due*
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• 536[06:05:55] <_m4ch1n3_> looks like vm usb device crashed ... /var/log/syslog on HOST should contain information on if usb device was disconnected
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• 538[06:06:29] <_m4ch1n3_> maybe you physicly iterupted cable/usbport conetion through toouching usb cable
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• 542[06:07:38] <_m4ch1n3_> or usb power saving/managment on host
• 543[06:08:16] <sneep> Haxxa: I would recommend trying to get a core dump of your still running virtual machine
• 544[06:08:22] <_m4ch1n3_> if host suddenly removed usb device there should be an reason int value
• 545[06:08:22] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, how can you tell by that output I see nothing related to usb?
• 546[06:08:33] <Haxxa> sneep how?
• 547[06:08:38] <sneep> Haxxa: "ehci" is related to USB
• 548[06:09:05] <sneep> replaced-url
• 549[06:09:20] <sneep> this could help maybe
• 550[06:09:34] <Haxxa> hmmm... ok so how do I prevent kernel panics like this in the future, I lost 2 days of recordings and my automations failed because of this. Ideally this should be handled gracefully
• 551[06:10:16] <sneep> if you get a dump that can be opened using the crash utility you may be able to find out more
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• 554[06:12:35] <sneep> you can also set up your system to automatically create dump files when panics occur, then you might be able to debug if the problem occurs again
• 555[06:12:52] <Haxxa> sneep again n00b here, how do I get that to happen.
• 556[06:13:07] <sneep> replaced-url
• 557[06:13:11] <Haxxa> I would like it to save to rootfs and then be accesiible for reading later
• 558[06:13:56] <_m4ch1n3_> could be physical isiiue (usb plug is bit lose)
• 559[06:13:58] <_m4ch1n3_> or
• 560[06:14:46] <Haxxa> sneep given the issue relates to usb and the webcam has gone werid lately i.e. artefacts buzzing noise, I reckon might be hardware issue and a easier solution may be to isolate the vm by using a ip camera instead of USB
• 561[06:14:48] <_m4ch1n3_> power compsum on usbport on host was to high due multiple devices, keybd mouse ....
• 562[06:15:41] <_m4ch1n3_> could be usbcore.autosuspend power managment on host
• 563[06:15:42] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, nah I reckon it was hw related maybe short caused by thge webcam - its in garage and gets many insects in it from mic port possibly ant shorted inside or something
• 564[06:15:49] <Haxxa> happened before with my UPS
• 565[06:16:20] <_m4ch1n3_> you can boot host with "usbcore.autosuspend=-1" option to disable usb powermanagment
• 566[06:16:39] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, thanks will do do I add that to kernel parameters in grub?
• 567[06:17:02] <_m4ch1n3_> to high power consume would return a certain usb device disconnect int value in syslog
• 568[06:17:13] <_m4ch1n3_> yes
• 569[06:17:29] <_m4ch1n3_> usbcore.autosuspend=-1 is an kernel boot option
• 570[06:17:49] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, thanks testing changes - I will see if I get kernel panic this week and enable future dumps
• 571[06:18:09] <Haxxa> Just installed Debian's kdump-tools too,.
• 572[06:18:09] <_m4ch1n3_> do you use virtmgr?
• 573[06:18:24] <Haxxa> _m4ch1n3_, I use proxmox which does not
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• 577[06:18:53] <_m4ch1n3_> not 100% sure but think it had some make usb port/dev exclusive only to vm accessible
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• 580[06:21:43] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
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• 590[06:27:44] <_m4ch1n3_> udev rule on host to ignore webcam/not load driver and not check if usb device is an massstorage device could improve stability to
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• 595[06:29:09] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
• 596[06:29:45] <_m4ch1n3_> legacy usb driver for vm could make difference too
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• 600[06:35:35] <aje> moo
• 601[06:35:42] <aje> hello.
• 602[06:35:48] <_m4ch1n3_> me0w
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• 739[08:43:01] <radkos> hello what is ulimit's cpu time for?
• 740[08:43:11] <radkos> max execution time of the process or max cpu usage?
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• 749[08:53:19] <a-l-e> hi. i have installed an old mac mini with debian and something went wrong (probably, the public wifi went down during the installation) and i want to reinstall it but...
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• 751[08:54:05] <a-l-e> it detects the install dvd but i get to a message "1. 2. Select CD-ROM Boot Type :" where i cannot type anything.
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• 753[08:55:26] <a-l-e> it looks in this forum post: replaced-url
• 754[08:55:49] <a-l-e> i've tried a few hints i've found inline (keeping the 1 key pressed during boot, ...) but it did not help.
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• 758[08:57:43] <a-l-e> does anybody have an idea how i can get past that message and reinstall debian?
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• 762[08:59:47] <a-l-e> the alternative would be: how to reinstall xfce so that everything is correct...
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• 766[09:00:29] <milkt> a-l-e: is that BIOS message? or message inside installation menu
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• 769[09:01:08] <a-l-e> milkt, from what i can tell, it seems to be an issue with the boot loading of the dvd. it seems to also happen on windows.
• 770[09:01:27] <a-l-e> but it's not a message that is part of the normal debian install process.
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• 772[09:02:46] <milkt> so do you mean you can't get into installation process?
• 773[09:03:33] <a-l-e> exactly.
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• 785[09:11:08] <a-l-e> different try: how can i get xfce to be completely reinstalled?
• 786[09:11:15] <a-l-e> so that everything is correctly configured?
• 787[09:11:37] <a-l-e> (currently, i don't have the menu bars nor the panel at the bottom)
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• 789[09:12:06] <a-l-e> i thought that reinstalling the whole thing would have been simpler... but now it looks like the better way of doing it...
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• 794[09:16:20] <a-l-e> deleteing ~/.config(/xfce4 for the user did not help.
• 795[09:16:23] <alazred> a-l-e: you can try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xfce4
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• 802[09:20:45] * a-l-e is removing xfce...
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• 809[09:25:11] <lowin> Hello. How do I add custom routes to my interfaces through /etc/network/interfaces? or better yet, how do I run custom scripts after ifup/ifdown but still get addresses from dhcp?
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• 813[09:26:17] <Unit193> a-l-e: You'll have to ensure xfconf isn't running, then remove .config/xfce4/panel and .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml, then restart the panel.
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• 815[09:26:39] <lowin> Can I have something like iface eth0 inet manual and iface eth0 inet dhcp at the same time?
• 816[09:27:03] <Ingvix> hey, what would be the easiest way to set a default argument for a command so that it's always used unless the argument is set by the user?
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• 818[09:27:32] <Ingvix> *argument and its value
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• 820[09:28:37] <Fox> Ingvix: describe what you're trying to do please
• 821[09:29:36] <Ingvix> Fox, I want to set pastebinit to always set -a anonymous rather than using my username which is the default
• 822[09:30:25] <Unit193> In ~/.pastebinit.xml, set <pastebinit><author>annony</author></pastebinit>
• 823[09:30:42] <Ingvix> oh
• 824[09:30:53] <Fox> Ingvix: see, give the goal, you'll get the real solution ;)
• 825[09:31:04] <Ingvix> Didn't find any proper documentation on the command
• 826[09:31:24] <Fox> Ingvix: just googled 20s and found the answer :(
• 827[09:31:52] <Fox> and the man gives the answer too
• 828[09:31:56] <a-l-e> Unit193, i did logout and remove all of xfce from the .config but it did not work.
• 829[09:32:18] <Ingvix> I guess I used the wrong search words
• 830[09:32:23] <Ingvix> or search engine
• 831[09:32:23] <a-l-e> now i've removed xfce and i have no wifi anymore... struggling to get it up from the command line again...
• 832[09:32:30] <a-l-e> then i'll try to reinsntall xfce4
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• 836[09:34:20] <Unit193> Ingvix: If you want private by default, you *may* have to patch pastebinit first.
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• 847[09:41:36] <a-l-e> ok, i cannot even activate the eth0...
• 848[09:41:57] <a-l-e> ifconfig is not installed and, since i have no network i cannot install it.
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• 850[09:42:34] <a-l-e> iwconfig gives me three interfaces wls1 (the wifi), lo, and enp1s0...
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• 852[09:43:07] <bolt> ifconfig is deprecated, afaik
• 853[09:43:11] <a-l-e> "/sbin/ifup enp1s0" says "unknon interface enp1s0"
• 854[09:43:14] <bolt> use "ip"
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• 856[09:44:01] <a-l-e> bolt, how can i see the list of available interfaces?
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• 866[09:51:33] <Timele> Hello, I have an omnios installation on external HD which I like to mount from linux. I dont know the Fstype. But guess its ZFS. "zpool import rpool othername" does work but I only see the folder "boot". How can I access the root "/"?
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• 868[09:52:22] <blackflow> Timele: run only `zfs import`. Does it show any importable pools?
• 869[09:52:29] <blackflow> uh... zpool import sorry.
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• 872[09:53:59] <Timele> yes
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• 874[09:54:11] <Timele> An I can import it
• 875[09:54:21] <blackflow> so what's the problem?
• 876[09:54:54] <Timele> What is the name of the Dataset where / is usally mounted?
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• 878[09:55:02] <blackflow> oh I see.. don't treat it as a regular FS because it's not. each dataset has a mountpoint associated. ideally, you import a pool with -R so it doesn't clobber your regular mountpoints. eg. `zpool import -R /mnt rpool`
• 879[09:55:27] <blackflow> Timele: totally depends on how it's installed. some consensus would suggest rpool/ROOT/default or distro name instead of default
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• 881[09:56:29] <Timele> backflow thanks, I try
• 882[09:56:44] <bolt> a-l-e: "ip link show"?
• 883[09:56:49] <blackflow> I ain't flowin' back, Imma flowin' black.
• 884[09:57:10] <bolt> a-l-e: if you haven't studied "ip" yet, it's about time. ifconfig will disappear from more and more systems you'll touch over time
• 885[09:58:15] <a-l-e> bolt, thanks for the hint... but i haven't used ifconfig for years either...
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• 887[10:00:55] <a-l-e> how can i know which driver the wifi is using?
• 888[10:01:04] <SpeedyG> bolt: you're right.. deprecated since 2009 ...
• 889[10:01:14] <a-l-e> from lspci it's a qualcom atheros AR242x / AR542x...
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• 891[10:01:43] <Timele> "mount" shows now "olddiskrpool/ROOT/omnios on /" but on "/" ist off course my OS mounted?
• 892[10:01:47] <a-l-e> the internet says to use lshw, but it's not installed (and since i don't have any network...)
• 893[10:01:59] <blackflow> Timele: did you use -R like I suggested with an explanation of why?
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• 918[10:11:00] <a-l-e> this seems to be the driver used: replaced-url
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• 920[10:11:15] <a-l-e> how should i type in the -D of wpa_supplicant?
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• 922[10:11:36] <a-l-e> -Dath5k gives me "unsupported driver"
• 923[10:12:11] <a-l-e> -Dwext gives me two ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: invalid argument
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• 930[10:14:35] <a-l-e> any idea what's the best way for me to get to a working debian? aaaargh!
• 931[10:14:48] <a-l-e> no wifi, no eth0, no installable medium...
• 932[10:15:02] <a-l-e> really, is there a straight forward way to get me online again?
• 933[10:15:15] <a-l-e> an easy way to connect to eth0 or wifi?
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• 935[10:15:32] <a-l-e> (wifi did work with xfce...)
• 936[10:15:44] <diogenes_> a-l-e, tethering
• 937[10:16:15] <a-l-e> mmm
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• 942[10:17:42] <a-l-e> i will have to look for instructions for usb connection and hope it works...
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• 954[10:21:05] <a-l-e> ok, tethering did work thanks diogenes_
• 955[10:21:56] <a-l-e> and tasksel also is working now...
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• 957[10:22:03] <diogenes_> a-l-e, you're welcome.
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• 961[10:23:21] <NoName9001> Hello everybody! I just wanted to upgrade my debian installation from stretch to buster. To achive that, i replaced all occurences of "stretch" in my sources.list with "buster" and executed "apt update" and "apt upgrade". If I now try to dist-/full-upgrade it wants to remove cinnamon, my DE. How should I fix that? Should I just not dist-upgrade? What are the consequences if I don't?
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• 965[10:28:18] <Timele> blackflow: thanks, that worked!
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• 968[10:29:11] <a-l-e> it's crazy that the simplest way to get networking is tethering... i really thought you were kidding me... but, yes, the only hard part is to type that long name...
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• 971[10:31:55] <a-l-e> argh! still no menu bar nor panel : - (
• 972[10:32:14] <a-l-e> in xfce
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• 974[10:32:51] <diogenes_> a-l-e, make a new user
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• 976[10:33:07] <a-l-e> yep, this is what i just noticed right now.
• 977[10:33:15] <a-l-e> i had a second user that was not able to xfce before.
• 978[10:33:36] <a-l-e> i tried to use that user and asked me if i wanted the the default config and after saying yes i got everything there.
• 979[10:33:45] <a-l-e> so, i'll delete the main user and recreate it.
• 980[10:33:59] <blackflow> Timele: you're welcome
• 981[10:34:31] <diogenes_> a-l-e, just rename .config folder
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• 984[10:35:53] <a-l-e> ok, i'll try that
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• 986[10:36:08] <zmeu> hello there - I tried to add this in my .oidentd.conf: to SERVER.IP from BIND.IP fport 6667 { reply "hello" }, but when I want to connect to SERVER.IP i don't receive the "Hello" in ident, what i missed, what i am doing wrong?
• 987[10:36:27] <a-l-e> (.config was a good idea : - )
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• 989[10:37:28] <a-l-e> ... removing .config did not work.
• 990[10:37:47] <a-l-e> and the user cannot be deleted since it's used by a serevice...
• 991[10:38:12] <diogenes_> a-l-e, rename .cache too
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• 993[10:38:40] <a-l-e> systemd is attached to that user...
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• 995[10:39:15] <diogenes_> move .Xauthority .ICEauthority
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• 997[10:40:37] <a-l-e> yes, i'm deleting all hidden files that do not look like being "safe" ones
• 998[10:40:48] <a-l-e> (the computer is not in use yet)
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• 1001[10:41:21] <a-l-e> ok, this time the dialog showed up and everything is ok!
• 1002[10:41:25] <a-l-e> thanks diogenes_
• 1003[10:41:56] <diogenes_> a-l-e, yw.
• 1004[10:43:14] <a-l-e> and thanks to the other who have helped me...
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• 1017[10:52:25] <NoName9001> Sorry to bother you all again but it is there nobody who can help me?
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• 1021[10:54:08] <tgunr> whats the problem?
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• 1026[10:55:00] <NoName9001> tgunr: I just wanted to upgrade my debian installation from stretch to buster. To achive that, i replaced all occurences of "stretch" in my sources.list with "buster" and executed "apt update" and "apt upgrade". If I now try to dist-/full-upgrade it wants to remove cinnamon, my DE. How should I fix that? Should I just not dist-upgrade? What are the consequences if I don't? (pretty much copied this, sory for that)
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• 1028[10:55:03] <avu> !stretch->buster
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• 1031[10:55:37] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox-esr
• 1032[10:55:41] <avu> dpkg: tell NoName9001 about stretch->buster
• 1033[10:55:44] <avu> hm
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• 1035[10:55:51] <avu> ah
• 1036[10:55:56] <NetTerminalGene> ,firefox
• 1037[10:56:01] <NetTerminalGene> :/
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• 1042[10:56:59] <tgunr> don't know about cinnamon/DE but if your upgrading you defintely need to dist-upgrade to kick in the new kernel
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• 1056[11:04:51] <Fox> !debian-next
• 1057[11:04:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1058[11:05:11] <Fox> NetTerminalGene: you're now running buster and asking the wrong people :)
• 1059[11:05:23] <Fox> you should go to #debian-next on oftc
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• 1074[11:11:57] <NetTerminalGene> Fox, ? i didn't ask any question
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• 1079[11:13:27] <Fox> oh sorry
• 1080[11:13:33] <Fox> was talking to NoName9001 :/
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• 1083[11:14:09] <Fox> NoName9001: you could have answers on #debian-next @oftc, you're running buster now, not stable anymore
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• 1088[11:15:42] <NoName9001> Ok, thank you all, I will take a look at #debian-next
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• 1106[11:27:39] <luxpir> morning all. lost ability to update Firefox from menus a few versions ago. have done it manually since, but can't for life of me figure out how to get it back...
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• 1108[11:29:06] <blackflow> luxpir: "from menus"?
• 1109[11:29:11] <luxpir> I want to run 66, am on 65.0
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• 1111[11:29:40] <blackflow> if you're thinking about FF auto upgrade, it's not possible on Linux edition at all afaik. definitely not if you installed the debian packages.
• 1112[11:29:41] <luxpir> FF menu, update option
• 1113[11:30:05] <luxpir> I used to run the ESR and that would of course be handled by apt
• 1114[11:30:09] <blackflow> that hasn't been working in the Linux edition for very very long.
• 1115[11:30:11] <luxpir> but it's so far behind
• 1116[11:30:20] <blackflow> luxpir: it's not behind, it's ESR
• 1117[11:30:24] <luxpir> ah OK bf, thanks for confirming
• 1118[11:30:37] <luxpir> ha and I thought I was a nitpicker
• 1119[11:30:40] <luxpir> whole new level :D
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• 1123[11:31:09] <blackflow> not at all. ESR is designed to be "that feature set with only bug/security fixes onward". software works as designed.
• 1124[11:31:17] <blackflow> and debian is updating ESR regularly.
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• 1129[11:32:02] <luxpir> nobody's saying anything is broken, don't worry, it's just several releases "different" to the latest non-ESR, if I have to use tedious longhand to describe what was obvious from context :D
• 1130[11:32:09] <themill> luxpir: how did you install firefox?
• 1131[11:32:39] <luxpir> themill: I manually installed the current one, yep
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• 1133[11:32:56] <themill> as what user?
• 1134[11:33:10] <luxpir> oic, not as root if that's what you mean?
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• 1138[11:34:48] <luxpir> I copied prev settings into the new dir and went from there. it's just a PITA to keep doing.
• 1139[11:35:22] <blackflow> afaik even if you install into ~/ you still can't update it, the linux edition lost that functionality (because it's never meant to be installed like that, unlike in windows)
• 1140[11:35:57] <luxpir> thanks, blackflow - would have been convenient, but if there's a right way, I'll stick to that
• 1141[11:36:00] <blackflow> luxpir: you can install firefox from snaps (snapcraft.io, snapd package for the daemon)
• 1142[11:36:13] <luxpir> wasn't aware I could use snaps on deb
• 1143[11:36:16] <blackflow> the latest FF I mean. Imho, simplest way to get !sns on debian. Snaps and flatpaks.
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• 1145[11:37:21] <blackflow> luxpir: there be minor hiccups with desktop integration (like desktop icons/laucnhers not registering as they should, so you have to copy them manually) -- but otherwise snaps work. I guess flatpaks too, never tried those. Did use snaps on debian, yes.
• 1146[11:38:10] <luxpir> i3 user so icons not really an issue. will look into snaps, but reluctant to bring in too many 3rd party packages
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• 1148[11:38:43] <blackflow> luxpir: that's the point, you only install snapd the package. snaps themselves are isolated squashfs containers that don't clobber your regular filesystem and stay under /snaps
• 1149[11:38:52] <blackflow> the only additional pollution is in ~/snaps/
• 1150[11:39:06] <luxpir> isolated, yeah, but it's still a browser from an untrusted source
• 1151[11:39:08] <blackflow> snap not snaps.
• 1152[11:39:31] <blackflow> luxpir: actaulyl it's from mozilla directly: replaced-url
• 1153[11:39:35] <blackflow> *actually
• 1154[11:39:46] <luxpir> happy if that's true
• 1155[11:40:06] <luxpir> imagined them like PPAs
• 1156[11:40:12] <blackflow> It is. snaps can be uploaded by anyone, true, but verified vendors are verified indeed.
• 1157[11:40:50] <blackflow> they're very similar conceptually to PPAs, but with many important differences.
• 1158[11:42:29] <blackflow> I find them useful if used when there's no alternative, like in this case. I'm totally against them being defaults, and definitely not for server apps (due to snaps auto-upgrade with no option to disable or reschedule that)
• 1159[11:42:55] <blackflow> (not a problem in Debian, was commenting about trends in Ubuntu)
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• 1161[11:44:15] <luxpir> yeah OK, see the gray area there
• 1162[11:44:53] <luxpir> I'm keen to try, just wondering if I'll be able to copy over my configs or if I have to create a FF acct and sync them that way. Was trying to avoid doing that.
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• 1164[11:45:14] <blackflow> luxpir: yes, snap'd FF uses regular files under ~/
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• 1167[11:45:37] <blackflow> I'm just not sure if its ~/.mozilla or ~/snap/.... but definitely there somewhere for you to edit
• 1168[11:45:45] <luxpir> Thanks again blackflow - all useful info. I have a Ubuntu phone so am dubious about Canonical and their habit of creating and dropping stuff.
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• 1170[11:46:17] <blackflow> they're betting pretty heavily on snaps right now. they're here to stay for at least several years.
• 1171[11:47:24] <luxpir> yeah, noticed in the newsletters. it's not as risky for them as a phone/mobile OS proposition, so can see why they won't be as likely to disappear
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• 1174[11:48:30] <luxpir> kind of wish FF updater would work on Deb though.
• 1175[11:48:37] <luxpir> hey ho. thanks for all the info!
• 1176[11:48:51] <blackflow> they're safe to use even if potential future vaporware. they're just delivery mechanism. there will always be _some_ way to deliver FF to end users, although current trends seems to suggest the future belongs to containerized delivery of programs.
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• 1178[11:49:38] <blackflow> (and if your FF configs break, it's because shiny new FF broke it, not due to <delivery mechanism> unless a (fixable) bug)
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• 1180[11:50:39] <_m4ch1n3_> why not: apt-get build-dep firefox-esr & get official ff source
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• 1183[11:51:44] <luxpir> that just lands me with v60 _m4ch1n3_ right?
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• 1185[11:52:00] <luxpir> (60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1
• 1186[11:52:02] <luxpir> )
• 1187[11:52:09] <_m4ch1n3_> that just installs packages you need to build ff from source
• 1188[11:52:20] <blackflow> no that only pulls in build deps for FF, but that's for ERS. newest FF changed a lot in build deps
• 1189[11:52:23] <_m4ch1n3_> build dependencies
• 1190[11:52:31] <blackflow> like LLVM newer and stuff like that. libicu probably
• 1191[11:53:02] <blackflow> it's gonna break your system and pollute it. snaps ftw, I'm surprised to hear myself say it but in this case it totally is as simple as "snap install firefox".
• 1192[11:53:36] <luxpir> and from there you would ```apt update firefox-esr``` to update to latest source?
• 1193[11:53:48] <luxpir> (once installed)
• 1194[11:53:51] <luxpir> (built)
• 1195[11:53:51] <_m4ch1n3_> replaced-url
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• 1197[11:54:00] <blackflow> luxpir: no that doesn't install FF.
• 1198[11:54:05] <_m4ch1n3_> you could also get developer edition build
• 1199[11:54:28] <luxpir> _m4ch1n3_: the point is I want to streamline updates
• 1200[11:54:36] <blackflow> luxpir: what _m4ch1n3_ is suggesting is essentially what you're already doing: installing FF from source.
• 1201[11:54:50] <luxpir> yeah thought so blackflow - thx for confirming
• 1202[11:55:11] <blackflow> (which means you already have the build deps)
• 1203[11:55:51] <blackflow> and what _I_ am saying is that newer FF has newer build dep requirements which you can't install as easily. You _might_ be able to build 65 with LLVM and icu for 60.5, but don't take that for granted.
• 1204[11:56:01] <milkt> i'm running debian stable, i can't display japanese/chinese character in firefox or other application, but only can display japanese/chinese in urxvt. i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales but no luck.
• 1205[11:56:42] <blackflow> luxpir: so really, just try it, and you can uninstall if it sucks: apt install snapd; snap install firefox
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• 1207[11:57:00] <luxpir> blackflow: yeah appreciate the overview.
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• 1209[11:57:35] <blackflow> luxpir: yes it will pull in few hundred MB of stuff but taht's normal and price you pay for isolated environments that otherwise don't pollute your os
• 1210[11:57:52] <luxpir> it only wants 32MB extra
• 1211[11:58:26] <blackflow> luxpir: the snap wants 200 + core snap
• 1212[11:58:52] <blackflow> 217MB for "stable". snap info firefox for details
• 1213[11:59:00] <luxpir> pihole dropped the request to search.apps.ubuntu.com - good pihole
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• 1215[11:59:52] <blackflow> luxpir: btw, add /snap/bin to your $PATH if you want dmenu to find it
• 1216[11:59:52] <luxpir> I know why - the phone made an inordinate amount of reqs to ubuntu.com so I just DNS blocked the domain
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• 1220[12:02:29] <blackflow> milkt: maybe you just need fonts like noto?
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• 1235[12:06:36] <luxpir> gah. Issue. it's done this before. I've installed via snaps, gone into the snaps dir and run ./firefox and I get the old version.
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• 1237[12:07:15] <luxpir> I think I symlinked v65 to opt or bin somewhere
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• 1242[12:08:25] <luxpir> installed it to /opt/firefox I think actually
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• 1244[12:08:53] <blackflow> luxpir: /snap/bin
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• 1249[12:09:33] <blackflow> snaps install symlinks to their respective filesystem paths, for binaries/executables that are meant to be run from them
• 1250[12:09:35] <luxpir> linked to /usr/bin/snap
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• 1253[12:10:11] <blackflow> luxpir: ?
• 1254[12:10:48] <luxpir> running /snap/bin/firefox has same issue, opens FF 65 instead of fresh 66 (candidate)
• 1255[12:11:06] <themill> is firefox already running?
• 1256[12:11:11] <blackflow> luxpir: and which one did you isntall? "snap install firefox" does the stable channel
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• 1258[12:11:24] <luxpir> I did --candidate at end
• 1259[12:11:29] <luxpir> b/c that was point - I have 65
• 1260[12:11:40] <blackflow> luxpir: you have to specifically install from anotehr channel with --channel
• 1261[12:11:53] <blackflow> luxpir: I don' tthink --candidate is a flag
• 1262[12:11:56] <luxpir> I did, I followed instructions
• 1263[12:12:00] <blackflow> oh it is, yea
• 1264[12:12:01] <luxpir> it was, it worked
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• 1266[12:12:36] <luxpir> it's there, just gets hijacked by new FF when I try to run it. had it before when messing with manual installs
• 1267[12:12:41] <blackflow> luxpir: and "snap list" says the candidate channel FF is installed?
• 1268[12:12:50] <luxpir> yep
• 1269[12:13:27] <blackflow> you probably have some PATH issues there. snap installs links to their respective binaries under /snap/bin/ and if that points into /usr/bin/snap then that's all correct
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• 1271[12:14:35] <blackflow> luxpir: try running it with full path /snap/bin/firefox
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• 1274[12:15:47] <luxpir> not sure if it's the desktop file...
• 1275[12:15:56] <luxpir> yeah tried that above, blackflow - just gives 65
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• 1277[12:16:13] <themill> luxpir: is firefox already running?
• 1278[12:16:29] <luxpir> it is!
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• 1280[12:16:42] <blackflow> oh so it jsut spawns another process from the existing?
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• 1282[12:16:50] <themill> yes, it just spawns a new window
• 1283[12:16:51] <luxpir> I want another version in a separate process, assumed that would be possible
• 1284[12:17:07] <themill> -no-remote
• 1285[12:17:07] <blackflow> wait, iirc there's a flag
• 1286[12:17:12] <blackflow> yeah that probably )
• 1287[12:17:13] <blackflow> :)
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• 1290[12:17:38] <luxpir> I got it open while existing FF running.
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• 1292[12:18:07] <luxpir> changed Exec line in /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop
• 1293[12:18:31] <luxpir> to /snap/bin/ff
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• 1298[12:19:49] <luxpir> seems to call on that file even if run directly using those above paths
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• 1302[12:21:10] <blackflow> luxpir: did you try with -no-remote flag?
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• 1304[12:21:21] <blackflow> (note one dash at the beginning)
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• 1306[12:21:29] <luxpir> no, haven't tried that before
• 1307[12:21:51] <blackflow> that's what you need, for the new process to start standalone, and not reconnec to a running one. that's firefox' flag btw, not related to snaps
• 1308[12:22:06] <blackflow> firefox --help has moar
• 1309[12:22:47] <luxpir> thx
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• 1313[12:23:07] <luxpir> yeah that works
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• 1317[12:24:10] <deleuze6> concerning 'netdiscover', why did the author stuff the OUI database into the main executable, without providing a way to access it? Can we exhort the author to unbundle this please?
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• 1319[12:25:20] <_m4ch1n3_> is there a way to make ff launch faster when used together with selenium driver? takes on my machine like 5 to 10 seconds to launch it
• 1320[12:25:49] <_m4ch1n3_> doesnt make any difference if headless or not
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• 1323[12:26:21] <_m4ch1n3_> sadly phantomjs support was dropped
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• 1328[12:28:17] <_m4ch1n3_> youtube-dl seems to have own frozen selenium and phantom version used e.g to extract openload.co streams, and launches below 1 second
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• 1336[12:33:54] <luxpir> FF66 feels very quick. Almost "snappy" :D
• 1337[12:34:18] <luxpir> But I haven't installed vimium/umatrix/ublock yet
• 1338[12:34:23] <luxpir> the holy trinity
• 1339[12:34:37] <blackflow> luxpir: badum-tss!
• 1340[12:34:45] <luxpir> yes the u* plugins look redundant, but last I looked it's the only way to get both granularity and block YT ads
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• 1355[12:47:20] <luxpir> gah I've forgotten which files to move for FF profile info
• 1356[12:47:34] <luxpir> I'm sure it was within the firefox/ dir before
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• 1360[12:49:41] <luxpir> a file with a name like aosidhao.default-123123124
• 1361[12:50:08] <luxpir> there's one in ~/.mozilla/firefox, but it's not being used for the snap obvs
• 1362[12:50:33] <blackflow> luxpir: you can copy the dir into snap'd FF .mozilla
• 1363[12:51:07] <blackflow> .mozilla/firefox/ but also keep in mind you have to update or transfer profiles.ini too
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• 1365[12:51:54] <luxpir> ~/snap/firefox/common/.mozilla ?
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• 1368[12:54:04] <luxpir> it worked
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• 1371[12:54:45] <luxpir> thx blackflow
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• 1374[12:56:10] <blackflow> luxpir: yw
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• 1425[13:44:00] <Bjornn> I'm not able to fully debug now, but recently I loaded emacs to try and learn it. long story shorter, when I removed it, the removal process fails. it seems to collect the data that it needs to remove but then doesn't. I'm not asking for anyone to help me solve it, I'm curious if anyone has noticed any abnormalities with this package being removed
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• 1428[13:44:55] <greycat> "I don't actually want any help. I just want to know if anyone has the EXACT same problem as me, even though I won't describe the problem. So, uh, we can go drinking together."
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• 1430[13:45:29] <Bjornn> so I'm a bad person for asking a question
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• 1432[13:47:55] <Bjornn> I'll just move along.
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• 1436[13:49:05] <oskie> how does it work, apparently my kernel has reserved 6.5GB of RAM (according to dmesg|grep Memory)
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• 1438[13:50:00] <radkos> is it safe to remove /etc/passwd.lock which contains fake PID
• 1439[13:50:17] <greycat> If the PID is not running, it should be.
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• 1444[13:52:04] <greycat> "Cleaning up stale pid files" is one of the tasks of a sysadmin.
• 1445[13:52:21] <greycat> And yet people still think sysvinit was a good idea. *shudder*
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• 1465[14:00:55] <r3m1> hello. I'm writting a program for raspbian target machines that reads data in a serial port. On my dev machine (not raspberry pi obviously) I would like to test the program however I have no serial device. Can I emulate one somehow ? I though I could simply echo some data into /dev/ttyS* and read them back but I get the following error:
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• 1468[14:01:19] <r3m1> echo "$RANDOM" > /dev/ttyS1
• 1469[14:01:20] <r3m1> bash: echo: erreur d'écriture : Input/output error
• 1470[14:01:35] <r3m1> sorry for the french but you get it: Input/output error
• 1471[14:01:42] <greycat> No, you can't do it that easily.
• 1472[14:01:42] <r3m1> the ttyS1 exists
• 1473[14:02:18] <greycat> You need an actual serial device, if for no better reason than you need to test setting the baud rate and the number of parity bits and so on.
• 1474[14:02:42] <greycat> If you only want to test the data in & out, you can simply use a named pipe or something.
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• 1482[14:06:18] <r3m1> ok thank you greycat
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• 1507[14:21:34] <mason> greycat: The cure's worse than the disease here, re: sysvinit.
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• 1514[14:27:29] <_m4ch1n3_> hmmm not sure which one is worser, systemd or sysvinit:3, sysvinit could be relative easy replaced or? systemd isnt that easy to remove
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• 1521[14:31:29] <_m4ch1n3_> the giant shitload on default enabled stuff in systemd is bit anoying
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• 1525[14:33:23] <_m4ch1n3_> "systemd.show_status=1" boot option makes it bit verboser and easier to track periodic executed stuff that can be disabled if one prefers a slimer lighter config
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• 1528[14:33:33] <karlpinc> r3m1: You can probably buy a usb-to-serial converter.
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• 1616[15:21:41] <paradigm> Hi! What does the preceeding "2:" indicate in Debian's vim package version? Vim versions are at 8.X these days, and Debian's versions indicates 2:8.X
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• 1619[15:23:13] <greycat> !epoch
• 1620[15:23:13] <dpkg> [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
• 1621[15:23:20] <greycat> !version epoch
• 1622[15:23:21] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
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• 1624[15:23:38] <paradigm> Ah, interesting. Thank you!
• 1625[15:23:51] <Ticho_> first or second hit on a web search site for "debian package versioning" would have served you well
• 1626[15:24:08] <BlinDspoTt> very interesting indeed thanks!
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• 1628[15:24:43] <paradigm> In retrospect I should have searched for something like that, apologies. I was myopic about it being specifically vim's version which poisoned the search results.
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• 1633[15:30:33] <themill> disturbingly, the largest epoch in the archive is 20081126
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• 1635[15:31:32] <greycat> "Hey, it's an integer! ... What? What did I say?"
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• 1641[15:34:21] <themill> replaced-url
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• 1683[15:55:41] <radkos> is hdz possible?
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• 1685[15:56:30] <greycat> You mean ... ATA hard disks? I don't think even those are listed as hd* any more, but I could be wrong.
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• 1688[15:57:28] <greycat> hd(4) is the official documentation for it, so I guess it's still a thing
• 1689[15:58:13] <greycat> The man page is from 1992, so good luck.
• 1690[15:58:25] <radkos> well hd or sd if the max identifier doesn't differ
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• 1692[15:58:30] <jelly> I guess if you disable ahci driver and rebuild your own
• 1693[15:58:32] <greycat> sd(4)
• 1694[15:58:39] <jelly> radkos: but it probably does differ.
• 1695[15:58:55] <jelly> I have systems with 80+ /dev/sd*
• 1696[15:59:13] <jelly> sdaa comes after sdz
• 1697[15:59:42] <radkos> so sdz is a possible value
• 1698[15:59:53] <radkos> ok, thanks
• 1699[16:00:03] <jelly> brw-r----- 1 root disk 67, 128 Nov 18 04:26 /dev/sdbe
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• 1722[16:15:37] <bipul> I am looking for .iso file for debian desktop.
• 1723[16:15:52] <bipul> where to download?
• 1724[16:16:15] <greycat> dpkg firmware images
• 1725[16:16:15] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 1726[16:16:41] <bipul> I am looking for offical link.
• 1727[16:16:47] <bipul> official*
• 1728[16:17:02] <greycat> !netinst
• 1729[16:17:02] <dpkg> from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
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• 1731[16:17:44] <bipul> Thank you.
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• 1753[16:34:17] <kreyren> is there any source for apt? If i want to export it on my LFS?
• 1754[16:34:37] <greycat> !source
• 1755[16:34:37] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
• 1756[16:35:03] <greycat> If you literally just want the .tar.gz file with the source code, go to packages.debian.org and download it that way.
• 1757[16:35:14] <kreyren> ty ty
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• 1825[17:07:57] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I'd like to read the content of systemd journal from a C program
• 1826[17:07:59] <sk_tandt> How may I?
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• 1829[17:08:48] <greycat> The only way I'm aware of is to open a pipe to journalctl.
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• 1832[17:09:14] <magic_ninja> sk_tandt, can it be in the beginning or does it need to be on-demand, or what?
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• 1837[17:10:07] <magic_ninja> For instance, you could pipe in journalctl as a parameter then parse it in C, though I think there may be better ways. You could also execute a bash script from C to save to a text file, then parse that in. lots of indirect ways to go about it.
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• 1841[17:10:34] <greycat> You don't need to involve bash.
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• 1843[17:11:22] <magic_ninja> replaced-url
• 1844[17:11:41] <greycat> "man popen"
• 1845[17:12:04] <magic_ninja> that is cool. You can do system calls directly from the terminal?
• 1846[17:12:14] <greycat> if you don't want to involve a shell at all, "man 2 pipe" is lower level
• 1847[17:12:24] <sk_tandt> magic_ninja, should be on demand
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• 1849[17:13:11] <magic_ninja> that is kinda cool. Since learning more programming, I love linux's ability to do that. Unfortunately, I'm stuck to windows.
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• 1851[17:13:35] <magic_ninja> Sort of.
• 1852[17:14:12] <AlexNagySchool> is it possible to manage a VM solely through the command line (from creation, to installation of guest os, to management)?
• 1853[17:14:20] <sk_tandt> AlexNagySchool, yes
• 1854[17:14:29] <AlexNagySchool> Are there tuts for it?
• 1855[17:14:48] <sk_tandt> We're assuming you want to setup a #debian VM ; D But, certainly, gimme a sec
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• 1857[17:15:35] <sk_tandt> replaced-url
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• 1859[17:15:40] <AlexNagySchool> I am planning on sshing into my server (debian 9.8, console/terminal only), starting a screen session (so I can detach/reattach as necessary), and managing this entirely remotely.
• 1860[17:15:44] <AlexNagySchool> thank you
• 1861[17:15:53] <sk_tandt> Keep in mind I've assumed you'll have a "standard" VM, e.g. amd64 one
• 1862[17:16:03] <AlexNagySchool> And yes, a Debian VM, amd64.
• 1863[17:16:08] <AlexNagySchool> (:
• 1864[17:16:10] <AlexNagySchool> tyvm
• 1865[17:16:14] <sk_tandt> yw!
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• 1869[17:17:05] <AlexNagySchool> so the regular installation guide has the info for installing through a vm via command line? Wow. And here I thought I was the odd duck out.
• 1870[17:17:43] <sk_tandt> To be fully honest, the install guide has a huge amount of information
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• 1872[17:18:12] <sk_tandt> But, a fun fact: whether you use the graphical installer or the text one is absolutely* irrelevant to the installed system
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• 1875[17:18:34] <sk_tandt> You may very well use the graphical one, removing the "Debian desktop environment..." checks at the software selection stage
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• 1879[17:19:16] <sk_tandt> (Remember to opt in the SSH server)
• 1880[17:19:19] <AlexNagySchool> Well I'm not going to have a remote desktop session going, so it's all command line.
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• 1883[17:19:54] <sk_tandt> kk : ) ooc, how are you hosting the vm? Remote provider, or local software?
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• 1886[17:20:25] <AlexNagySchool> I'm sshing into an existing debian server I own, setting up the vm, and then running it. This is the part I'm unsure how to do. I've been using Debian on and off since Woody. // I have my own home server (I'm at school rn though)
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• 1888[17:21:05] <AlexNagy> I also have an irssi session in a screen I can use from the server from anywhere.
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• 1890[17:21:37] <AlexNagySchool> I have no desktop environment installed at all.
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• 1894[17:23:06] <AlexNagySchool> thanks for the direction, though
• 1895[17:23:49] <magic_ninja> is editing /etc/apt/sources.list still the preferred method to change repositories?
• 1896[17:24:03] <n4dir> how else would you do it?
• 1897[17:24:18] <sk_tandt> magic_ninja, adding new files would be preferable if there is no conflict
• 1898[17:24:37] <magic_ninja> okay. I'm wanting to go to testing
• 1899[17:24:53] <AlexNagySchool> sk_tandt, replaced-url
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• 1906[17:25:40] <sk_tandt> Glad to hear it! : D Btw, replaced-url
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• 1909[17:26:08] <AlexNagy> So does the article I linked. I'll check them both out.
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• 1921[17:35:14] <DrBunsen> Hey, so I just reinstalled debian, and during the install I might have selected the wrong numpad map. Does anyone know how to change this?
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• 1938[17:40:35] <ttewr> Does someone know why kodi-pvr-hts is not available on testing, while being available on stable and unstable?
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• 1942[17:41:23] <greycat> !why is kodi-pvr-hts not in testing
• 1943[17:41:23] <dpkg> kodi-pvr-hts is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 1947[17:43:35] <DrBunsen> Hey, does anyone know how I can change numeric keypad mapping? I selected the wrong one during install ;)
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• 1958[17:45:32] <LtL> DrBunsen: replaced-url
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• 1968[17:50:58] <ttewr> Hmm so what would be the best option to get this package on debian testing?
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• 1972[17:51:42] <Unplesantry> alright!
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• 1974[17:51:57] <Unplesantry> i jus made my first gnome plugin
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• 1985[17:57:59] <n4dir> ttewr: run a mixed testing unstable, make testing the default. That would be my approach, at first glance
• 1986[17:58:43] <greycat> It begins with a "k", so maybe it's part of KDE. If so, find the Debian-KDE mailing list and figure out why the package was placed on hold by the release team. Or the debian-release mailing list. Or some mailing list.
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• 1991[18:01:25] <ttewr> greycat, actually kodi is not a part of KDE It's a media center. However I think I will contact debian-release then as the qa site was suggesting.
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• 2018[18:19:58] <AlexNagySchool> well that project came to a quick end. Seems my processor doesn't support virtualization.
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• 2020[18:20:51] <BCMM> didn't see context, but that doesn't mean you can't run VMs - it just means performance is gonna suck
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• 2026[18:25:41] <Tenkawa> lets see how 16 cores can do compiling llvm-8
• 2027[18:25:44] <Tenkawa> heheheh
• 2028[18:26:21] <AlexNagySchool> I thought to run VMs your processor had to support virtualization? If performance is going to suck than I'm not going to bother, the machine only has 8GB of RAM as it is.
• 2029[18:26:45] <Tenkawa> AlexNagySchool: what kind of cpu?
• 2030[18:26:45] <mason> AlexNagySchool: Use containers then. Docker, LXD, something.
• 2031[18:27:02] <AlexNagySchool> Pentium D
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• 2034[18:27:13] <AlexNagySchool> Don't know if its Smithfield or Presler.
• 2035[18:27:14] <Tenkawa> oh
• 2036[18:27:18] <AlexNagySchool> The vxm flags aren't present.
• 2037[18:27:30] <Tenkawa> thats quite old
• 2038[18:27:38] <AlexNagySchool> mason, it's a server running in console mode only
• 2039[18:28:20] <AlexNagySchool> Yeah, I picked up the hardware when a local computer shop shut down. I got tons of monitors, towers, parts, laptops (and parts for them) and even a working iMac (not sure if it's iCloud locked though)
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• 2042[18:31:00] <ksk> nice. install debian on all of them!
• 2043[18:31:39] <ksk> you only need the cpu flags for certain kind of virtualisation. paravirtualisation should work without
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• 2045[18:31:46] <AlexNagy> ksk: I've got Debian on my server, pfSense on the perimeter, and the machines I'm trying to resell I put Ubuntu on (I know, Ubuntu sucks, blah blah blah, I'm trying to sell Linux to Windows users).
• 2046[18:32:20] <AlexNagy> ksk: I just uninstalled everything lul
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• 2048[18:32:32] <AlexNagy> well not everything, but qemu and related.
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• 2051[18:33:35] <Tenkawa> heh around here everyone has been asking me to convert them away from their macs and windows boxes to pi's and linux
• 2052[18:33:45] <AlexNagy> I wish I had the same problem.
• 2053[18:33:53] <Tenkawa> its been quite a success
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• 2055[18:34:32] <AlexNagyServer> GG (: I'm trying to get a LUG going but it's slow (and I'm already busy as all get out).
• 2056[18:35:01] <ksk> yeah, I think nowadays you can expect to have sound on a newly installed (Debian) linux system, and use the web (remember the flash days..)
• 2057[18:35:08] <Tenkawa> they are tired of spending too much for just browsing the web lightly, checking email, and light document editing (you have to know your audience)
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• 2059[18:36:19] <AlexNagyServer> ksk: I wanted to put Debian on my main workstation (hoping for an improvement in Minecraft and gaming performance in general) but got stuck with video issues. Since I stream I had to reinstall Windows. I'll try again another day, however (when I'm not so time-crunched).
• 2060[18:36:28] <AlexNagyServer> Tenkawa: I hear ya.
• 2061[18:36:35] <idlemind> AlexNagy - you can also use a tool lcalled "Cockpit" to get a modern web UI for your server. They are making great and continous strides in improving VM management - very similar in scope to something like the UI for a isngle ESX host w/o vCenter ... replaced-url
• 2062[18:36:57] <AlexNagySchool> Thanks, I'll check that out.
• 2063[18:37:28] <idlemind> otherwise you can def launch a VM from CLI and link a remote spice console or VNC console to it for GUI if needed.
• 2064[18:38:25] <Tenkawa> man this machine is scaring me
• 2065[18:38:26] <idlemind> yet another alternative - connect to your host using Virtual Machine Manager from a Linux box and do that
• 2066[18:38:34] <ksk> AlexNagyServer: video driver support depends on your hardware, better look up which is supported decently before trying.
• 2067[18:38:41] <AlexNagyServer> Nah, no gui needed. I want to run a vanilla Minecraft smp server (public/no whitelist). I'll look into all of those options.
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• 2070[18:38:49] <Tenkawa> if I only had this years ago
• 2071[18:39:04] <AlexNagyServer> ksk: I found that out the hard way. The official drivers for my card from AMD don't support current Xorg
• 2072[18:39:27] <idlemind> AlexNagy streaming will one of the tough parts - especially in Wayland for now. I roll w/the open source AMD drivers and they are fine for the light gaming I do
• 2073[18:39:30] <ksk> AlexNagyServer: iirc there are now C++ servers around for minecraft, with outperform the vanilla java minecraft by some factor
• 2074[18:39:46] <Tenkawa> AlexNagyServer: which card?
• 2075[18:39:47] <AlexNagyServer> ksk: I don't play Bedrock
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• 2077[18:39:59] <AlexNagyServer> Tenkawa: ATI FirePro v5900
• 2078[18:40:05] <Tenkawa> I had two amd cards that i had to work on hard
• 2079[18:40:50] <AlexNagyServer> I'm going to be updating to the max my board can handle w/o any upgrades (dual Quadro 5000s) so I'm not worried about it right now.
• 2080[18:41:06] <Tenkawa> nod.. I'm back on nvidia now
• 2081[18:41:20] <idlemind> why the professional cards if you're gaming?
• 2082[18:41:21] <AlexNagyServer> I want to make my main gaming station AMD all the way, tbh.
• 2083[18:41:29] <AlexNagyServer> It came with the machine, idlemind
• 2084[18:41:32] <idlemind> ah
• 2085[18:41:46] <AlexNagyServer> And I didn't know much about it. I was more concerned with cpu clock speed and RAM.
• 2086[18:41:56] <AlexNagyServer> I can max it out at 24GB DDR3
• 2087[18:42:12] <AlexNagyServer> The processor isn't so hot for gaming either, I've found out lul
• 2088[18:42:15] <AlexNagyServer> Xeon W3550
• 2089[18:42:30] <AlexNagyServer> (I bought it used, fwiw)
• 2090[18:43:14] <AlexNagyServer> I know better now, and will be making appropriate purchases in the future, and Xeon beast will be retired to workstation duties (video rendering for when I go back to making episodic MC vids).
• 2091[18:43:26] <idlemind> Ah I use a RX480 I got a few years back for cheap-ish and it works very well on open source drivers
• 2092[18:43:57] <idlemind> I've liked AMD's open driver over either Nvidia one ... I'm also a guy that tries to stay in Wayland as much as possible though.
• 2093[18:44:03] <AlexNagyServer> I know someone using an RX480 and it's trash for MC lul She literally has trouble even with vanilla (the rest of her system is respectable, if not spectacular).
• 2094[18:44:21] <AlexNagyServer> I've been wanting to try Wayland but the issues with screen captures have kept me away.
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• 2096[18:44:42] <idlemind> Ya you have full screen recording in Gnome but that's still a bit silly
• 2097[18:44:54] <idlemind> I think they brought in webcam / audio now
• 2098[18:45:02] <idlemind> but if you game full screen it might not be bad for you
• 2099[18:45:12] <idlemind> being an mmo gamer i can't remember the last time i played anything full screen
• 2100[18:45:17] <AlexNagyServer> I"m an OBS guy. I play MC in Windowed mode so I can interact with other windows.
• 2101[18:45:50] <idlemind> and mmo's never require the latest and greatest on the video side (helps that i've never been a fps wh**e too)
• 2102[18:46:21] <AlexNagyServer> Well, this is interesting. Wiki says Presler 9x0 and 9x5 models support vx-t (but it's not flagged in my cpuinfo), but cat /proc/cpuinfo lists my model as 0x9 Transposition error?
• 2103[18:46:37] <idlemind> also i game on fedora and not debian - i just watch a titus tech video where he mentions some tweaks he made to sysctl and an updated kernel that really brought his gaming perf up in deb10
• 2104[18:46:48] <AlexNagyServer> Yeah, I played WoW on my gfx card through Legion and got 60fps at medium settings.
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• 2106[18:47:08] <idlemind> might need to enable it in the bios
• 2107[18:47:19] <idlemind> especially if it's an older system
• 2108[18:47:29] <idlemind> peeps back in the day were scared of vm's for some reason
• 2109[18:48:33] <AlexNagyServer> I'll check the bios the next time I reboot, but it's running a modded MC server for my VIPs in my Discord community.
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• 2112[18:50:03] <Tenkawa> Any of you remember Neverwinter Nights?
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• 2115[18:50:37] <AlexNagySchool> I still have it (NWN Diamond Edition)
• 2116[18:50:44] <Tenkawa> (the bioware 1st one.. not 2)
• 2117[18:50:52] <Tenkawa> AlexNagySchool: nice
• 2118[18:50:55] <idlemind> yup no idea what MC is
• 2119[18:50:55] <AlexNagySchool> There's a remaster of it on Steam for modern systems. I got the remastered Baldur's Gate II <3
• 2120[18:51:00] <AlexNagySchool> Minecraft
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• 2122[18:51:17] <idlemind> ah you kids and your blocky things
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• 2125[18:51:50] <Tenkawa> AlexNagySchool: I ran one of the most active servers for years
• 2126[18:51:57] <AlexNagySchool> oh?
• 2127[18:52:04] <Tenkawa> Darkcrystal
• 2128[18:52:19] <Tenkawa> Darkcrystal NWN
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• 2132[18:53:01] <AlexNagySchool> Ah, sounds like it was cool. Reference to the Jim Henson movie?
• 2133[18:53:07] <Tenkawa> yep
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• 2135[18:53:23] <Tenkawa> I am a big fan of it
• 2136[18:54:22] <AlexNagySchool> Oh I love that movie. Going to have to find it and watch it tomorrow night. (:
• 2137[18:54:36] <Tenkawa> omg that compile is running so fast in the other window I cant even watch it
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• 2139[18:55:17] <AlexNagySchool> I remember when I could almost read every line of a Perl compile. I loved doing it because it always made me chuckle when I saw "Uh-oh, smells like ANSI's been here!"
• 2140[18:55:35] <Tenkawa> heheh that cobol for me
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• 2144[18:55:54] <Tenkawa> cobol and assembly
• 2145[18:56:17] <AlexNagySchool> oof
• 2146[18:56:40] <AlexNagySchool> I just realized why cat /proc/cpuinfo returned duplicate results. One for each core. herp derp
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• 2153[18:58:06] * Tenkawa listens to Final Fantasy Music :)
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• 2157[18:58:38] <Tenkawa> FF 7
• 2158[18:58:55] <Tenkawa> opening theme
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• 2160[18:59:06] <AlexNagySchool> replaced-url
• 2161[18:59:16] <AlexNagySchool> I have Eyes on Me from FF8 as a ram
• 2162[18:59:24] <greycat> this is starting to drift off topic
• 2163[18:59:34] <Tenkawa> greycat: sorry
• 2164[18:59:38] <AlexNagySchool> 'starting' lul // greycat sorry 9:
• 2165[18:59:40] <AlexNagySchool> (:*
• 2166[19:00:28] <AlexNagySchool> Tenkawa, feel free to dm if you want to continue. I have a little used irc channel that I intend to make part of my community but is currently just sitting empty aside from me.
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• 2181[19:07:53] <Unplesantry> wtf is this visual mode bs
• 2182[19:07:58] <Unplesantry> i cant get rid of it
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• 2185[19:09:00] <n4dir> vim?
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• 2192[19:11:14] <Unplesantry> yes
• 2193[19:11:28] <n4dir> set mouse=v " Enable mouse usage (all modes)
• 2194[19:11:43] <n4dir> i think that does the trick (well: i got it in my vimrc, and it works)
• 2195[19:12:04] <greycat> accidentally hitting 'v' while in command mode in vim enables something called VISUAL MODE that I never cared enough to learn anything about.
• 2196[19:12:19] <greycat> hitting ESC and moving the cursor a bit seems to get you out of it
• 2197[19:12:58] <n4dir> greycat: i think at a certain version of vim it was set per default, hence the need to edit vimrc (since then).
• 2198[19:13:04] <greycat> Perhaps you could try formulating a SENTENCE with a subject and a predicate. This would perhaps allow other humans reading the channel to understand what you are thinking.
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• 2200[19:13:26] <greycat> n4dir: I don't understand what the question is yet
• 2201[19:13:28] <e> what would be the challenge in that?
• 2202[19:13:34] <nkuttler> you can manipulate visual selections. can be quite useful
• 2203[19:13:39] <n4dir> greycat: yeah, it isn't easy. i was guessing.
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• 2214[19:22:36] <Unplesantry> umm
• 2215[19:22:38] <Unplesantry> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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• 2217[19:24:18] <Unplesantry> but i copied my pgp already
• 2218[19:24:39] <greycat> I'm just going to assume this is some wacky docker or ansible shit and ignore it.
• 2219[19:25:31] <greycat> If you would like to receive help from those still listening to you, perhaps you could use this thing we call "English" to explain what you are trying to accomplish, what you have done so far, how it differs from standard practices, and what issue you are actually having.
• 2220[19:25:51] <Unplesantry> yes its docker
• 2221[19:25:53] <Unplesantry> pos
• 2222[19:26:10] <nkuttler> if only they had instructions on how to use their packages
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• 2231[19:31:11] <Unplesantry> aha
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• 2234[19:31:16] <Unplesantry> pos
• 2235[19:31:25] <Unplesantry> i had to redownload the PGP
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• 2238[19:31:53] <Unplesantry> do u guys know how that works
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• 2244[19:32:10] <Unplesantry> i thot i could use the same pgp
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• 2287[19:39:26] <soda__hobart> Hi everybody. Is there any reason not to use LVM? I'm doing a new install on a laptop that I intend to use for basic work tasks: research, writing, a little software/web development. I don't anticipate messing with the partitioning table much, but it might be nice to leave my options open if I want to use a VM or experiment with another distro. Are there any downsides to LVM, like is it slower or something?
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• 2292[19:40:40] <AlexNagySchool> I'm using LVM on my laptop (which I'm on rn) and on a server I'm running. I've not noticed any issues with it, but ymmv.
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• 2312[19:50:33] <Ingvix> is there a vaapi driver for intel 945gme or does it simply have no acceleration features and therefore no driver? I'm really bad with this hardware stuff
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• 2322[19:57:50] <ChmEarl> soda__hobart, the only time I've ever heard anything negative about LVM was in a talk by Lennart Poettering (systemd)
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• 2324[20:00:11] <soda__hobart> ChmEarl: yeah I probably won't notice a difference either way, but I'm having a crisis of indecision, haha! It doesn't make anything slower, does it?
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• 2327[20:01:19] <ChmEarl> soda__hobart, speed was never an issue here
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• 2330[20:02:40] <soda__hobart> ChmEarl: I'm just going to do it because I feel like if I don't, a few months from now some reason for adjusting the partition table will arise from the ether and I will be like "oh noes why didn't I get LVM"
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• 2377[20:21:26] <SerajewelKS> ChmEarl: and i'd take anything poettering says with a huge grain of salt
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• 2385[20:26:18] <ChmEarl> SerajewelKS, at the time I heard his take on LVM I had already had so many good experiences with it that he had zero influence on me
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• 2394[20:32:04] <aloo_shu> omg, that was a piece of the puzzxle I was missing. so systemd is poetteringware?
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• 2396[20:32:50] <greycat> ... he has other things?
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• 2416[20:38:32] <aloo_shu> how many hours of user lifetime spent waiting is that between the three?
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• 2422[20:45:33] <soda__hobart> ugh, ok now maybe I regret using LVM now I can't boot because of some garbage having to do with Microsoft... I need to rename the GRUB .efi, but where do I find it now?
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• 2436[20:52:19] <SpeedyG> hm, whats the rationale for the 'ip' tool to be placed in /bin and the iw tool to be in /sbin ? o_0
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• 2440[20:52:55] <greycat> Different package, so a different person made the decision?
• 2441[20:54:05] <SpeedyG> fair enough.. seems a bit weird though :)
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• 2444[20:55:27] <aloo_shu> soda__hobart: I've never had a uefi machine, but windows used to have a small 100MB hidden ntfs boot partition with the windoze bootloader and stuff, if you're lucky, it is there
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• 2448[20:58:01] <SpeedyG> hm, nmcli does enough too as normal user so it seems :) nice
• 2449[20:58:34] <soda__hobart> aloo_shu: yeah I think I've got it figured out. I'm glad I read all about UEFI and MBR and linux bootloaders earlier this week, otherwise I'd be mighty confused.
• 2450[20:58:57] <aloo_shu> congrats
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• 2459[21:00:13] <polaris_> Hi there, I just upgraded from Debian Stretch to Buster. It's great. I was using Gnome and now decided to try XFCE. My problem is I cannot use the keyboard functions for sound, brightness, etc...
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• 2461[21:00:40] <polaris_> Does anyone know what the problem could be?
• 2462[21:01:25] <soda__hobart> What's up with the lenovo thinkpad though? I thought it was supposed to be a lot more linux-friendly, but here I am trying to trick it into thinking it's booting into windows...
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• 2465[21:03:44] <aloo_shu> so, how is it working with uefi, grub, and lvm, how much of grub is outside lvm?, soda__hobart , I'd think once grub is up, lvm would be no worry
• 2466[21:04:44] <aloo_shu> and I faintly remember, secure boot off for uefi
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• 2471[21:07:29] <soda__hobart> polaris_: I think you have to create custom key-bindings for those
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• 2480[21:10:19] <polaris_> Thanks soda__hobart, i'll try.
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• 2482[21:10:43] <polaris_> How do I create a key binging to increase o decrease volume?
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• 2486[21:11:45] <Sleaker> polaris_: depends on what WM you're using
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• 2488[21:12:08] <soda__hobart> polaris_: go to "settings" or whatever it is--I'm not really that familiar with xfce--and find the "keyboard" options and go to "keyboard shortcuts" or something like that
• 2489[21:12:28] <soda__hobart> polaris_: actually, check this out--replaced-url
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• 2495[21:15:42] <polaris_> Thanks soda__hobart , I'm trying now assigning to the commands xbacklight +1 or -1
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• 2500[21:19:42] <polaris_> Well, I modified the keyboard model option to Asus and now I can modify the brightness but not the sound. I'll keep trying
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• 2505[21:21:42] <jcb2016> Does Debian offer any live dvd/cds?
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• 2510[21:23:39] <jmcnaught> jcb2016: yes
• 2511[21:23:55] <jcb2016> Didn’t see it in on the website
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• 2515[21:24:26] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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• 2517[21:24:44] <jcb2016> Thanks
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• 2521[21:25:23] <jhutchins> !live
• 2522[21:25:24] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 2535[21:30:31] <bipul> Hello i have installed debian 9 on my laptop, and i found touch pad click is not working.
• 2536[21:31:11] <bipul> It is stretch 9.8
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• 2539[21:31:29] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2540[21:31:57] <greycat> meh, pasting is hard
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• 2543[21:36:27] <soda__hobart> well hot dang, it works. All that and I forgot the root password I just set.
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• 2547[21:40:16] <bipul> I tried. But no luck.
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• 2552[21:44:35] <SerajewelKS> ChmEarl: the pulse debacle was enough for me not to trust his opinions on anything. and yet here we are years later with pulse and systemd the defaults.
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• 2556[21:45:03] <SerajewelKS> ChmEarl: i still can't get pulse to work well by itself. i have to run jack under it to get it to behave sanely.
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• 2558[21:48:13] <bipul> What's wrong with gnome. Just now i have installed Debian 9 stretch on my laptop. And i can not click or double click on the applications to open, minimize and close.
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• 2560[21:48:41] <greycat> For me, the standard solution of "use ALSA without pulse, and don't try to play youtube videos in firefox" is working.
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• 2562[21:49:20] <bipul> During the installation. I have not installed System utilities. Is that what it's making issue?
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• 2576[21:58:44] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody. How to build multiple packages with debhelper?
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• 2584[22:02:37] <jhutchins> !debhelper
• 2585[22:02:38] <dpkg> from memory, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
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• 2590[22:08:46] <bipul> My bad it was in setting panel :D :P
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• 2598[22:12:58] <Gigglebyte> How do I make the login key ring invisible in Debian Stable with Chrome? The key ring shows up every time I launch Chrome.
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• 2600[22:13:53] <bipul> How would i built security inside my Debian? is it possible to create chroot or container where i run browser or specific application or any applications like (antivirus) that detect unwanted programs, malware on debian?
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• 2602[22:15:03] <BCMM> bipul: firejail is a fairly popular way of adding additional sandboxing to browsers
• 2603[22:16:09] <bipul> BCMM, Well the jail BSD one??
• 2604[22:16:41] <BCMM> bipul: if you want FreeBSD jails, you should probably use FreeBSD...
• 2605[22:16:51] <Gigglebyte> Incidentally I haven't found any instructions on the net for disabling the Google Chrome key ring. Seems like all of the instructions are bad and don't work.
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• 2609[22:17:24] <BCMM> bipul: i mean, or Debian GNU/kFreeBSD i guess
• 2610[22:17:29] <bipul> BCMM, Well , i am just asking. Is it possible to create a jail kind of environment on Debian?
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• 2614[22:18:31] <BCMM> well, sorry. honestly i'm having difficulty understanding some of your questions.
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• 2617[22:19:34] <bipul> BCMM, ok
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• 2621[22:20:35] <BCMM> bipul: I haven't used FreeBSD's jails. If you're asking which container implementation on Linux is most similar to jail, I don't know.
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• 2623[22:20:51] <Gigglebyte> I figured it out and found a solution on the internet rm ~/.local/share/keyrings/*
• 2624[22:20:54] <Gigglebyte> bybybybyby
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• 2626[22:20:57] <bipul> I was asking , is it possible to create "FreeBSDjail" kind of environment or similar.
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• 2630[22:22:01] <tpr> what kind of restrictions does it set? not everyone here has experience on freebsd's jails, so if you'd clarify, maybe someone knows how to do that on linux, too
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• 2632[22:22:04] <bipul> Also is there any application for Linux that detect unwanted running program inside it. ?
• 2633[22:22:05] <BCMM> depends on what exactly you mean by that. if you want containerisation in general, sure. if you want a drop-in workalike for jail, don't think so.
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• 2763[23:52:09] <Unplesantry> how to use envvars in supervisor conf
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• 2771[23:57:38] <mycae> I'm looking at the qhull c++ interface, it looks like this is not being shipped as a shared library in debian? I can see libqhull_r, but objdump doesn't show the Qhull::Qhull() constructor and friends
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• 2773[23:57:53] <mycae> Is this a bug with the package?
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