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73 [01:29:13] <yokowka> heavenO everysoul!!!! got gnome 3.22.2
debian 9 stretch, how to move tray down?
74 [01:29:48] <protectionfault> hi yokowka
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76 [01:29:53] <protectionfault> what do you mean with tray?
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78 [01:30:12] <protectionfault> the whole bar your tray is in,
like in windows on the bottom instead of the top?
79 [01:30:26] <yokowka> i mean now tray at the top, i need it
bottom))
80 [01:30:41] <protectionfault> do have the tweaktool?\
81 [01:31:14] <yokowka> how it be on rusian tweaktool, my system
not english...&
82 [01:31:19] <yokowka> ?
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84 [01:32:10] <protectionfault> good point, im thinking
85 [01:32:21] <yokowka> ))
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88 [01:33:53] <protectionfault> i have browsed through the
options in both the settings and tweak tool for you, there are no
easy shortcuts to placing your activity bar on the bottom of the
screen
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90 [01:34:20] <protectionfault> this means it is possible, but
more work than you currently think
91 [01:35:46] <yokowka> not good....
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94 [01:37:29] <yokowka> protectionfault, can you help me with
dash??
95 [01:37:39] <yokowka> to dock
96 [01:38:09] <protectionfault> small chance
97 [01:38:58] <yokowka> is it possible to make dash more beauty
loking??
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100 [01:39:10] <yokowka> loocking
101 [01:39:48] <protectionfault> yes, certainly possible, but
requires you to edit configuration files manually
102 [01:40:11] <rydare> your GTK theme can theme the dash
103 [01:40:13] <protectionfault> everything has a good manual
104 [01:40:13] <rydare> dock
105 [01:40:38] <protectionfault> and you only have to do it once
in your life, then save the config forever
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108 [01:41:17] <yokowka> rydare, protectionfault site with GTK do
not enters me((
109 [01:42:07] <rydare>
replaced-url
110 [01:42:14] <rydare> not all of them will theme the dash2dock
111 [01:42:20] <rydare> the good ones will
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113 [01:43:14] <yokowka> rydare humans of heavens - bless you,
now i borrow a look on it))
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117 [01:49:10] <yokowka> rydare, gtk3 mean gnome 3?
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120 [01:52:22] <rydare> gnome3 uses gtk3 to display widgets,
basically things you see in programs
121 [01:52:33] <rydare> kde plasma uses qt, an alternative
122 [01:55:41] <yokowka> wrighty then)) how to make dash to dock
one in one look like 3d apple computer?))
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124 [01:56:24] <yokowka> 3d dash i mean, angly not smooth
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126 [01:58:34] <usney> rydare what's up?
127 [01:58:48] <usney> trying new things to get the hdmi audio to
work
128 [01:58:52] <rydare> just getting ready to leave
129 [01:59:01] <usney> wow
130 [01:59:05] <usney> for work?
131 [01:59:13] <rydare> church thing :D
132 [01:59:35] <usney> I just installed the full firmware instead
of the default mini
133 [01:59:40] <rydare> yokowka:
replaced-url
134 [01:59:46] <usney> seeing if that will work
135 [01:59:49] <rydare> the dock doesn't look 3d, it looks
like new mac
136 [01:59:51] <rydare> which is more flat
137 [02:00:24] <rydare> good luck usney and yokowka
138 [02:00:28] <rydare> i have to leave now
139 [02:00:34] <usney> see you
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142 [02:02:07] <yokowka> rydare, best luck to you!
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147 [02:11:16] <usney> hello yokowka
148 [02:11:34] <usney> I use plank as a dock
149 [02:11:44] <usney> which dock do you or will use?
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154 [02:17:19] <yokowka> usney, i want plank use too
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160 [02:21:27] <yokowka> usney, how to install plank and theme in
it?
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165 [02:25:05] <hyskaru> yokowka: the themes are in
~/.local/share/plank/themes
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170 [02:27:31] <usney> I don't use any themes yokowka
171 [02:27:42] <usney> I just turn on transparency
172 [02:27:55] <yokowka> hyskaru, is some dock looks like
mac's ungled dash?? like on macbook?
173 [02:28:50] <hyskaru> yokowka: you want a plank theme like
sierra ?
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177 [02:31:24] <n4dir> there is cairo-dock, but i don't
remember it well.
178 [02:31:40] <hyskaru> you can just install plank and a theme
like on macos
179 [02:31:54] <yokowka> hyskaru, plank, docky are some more but
looks like osx snow leopard in which dash is angled not smooth!!
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181 [02:32:51] <yokowka> hyskaru, all plank macos themes looks
like smooth((
182 [02:33:03] <hyskaru> yokowka:
replaced-url
183 [02:33:27] <hyskaru> yokowka: you can change on the plank
config
184 [02:33:31] <yokowka> hyskaru, best luck to you!
185 [02:33:56] <hyskaru> yokowka: right click on plank you can
change the angle
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188 [02:36:15] <yokowka> hyskaru, what is the manual how to
install plank and all config in it step by step??
189 [02:37:52] <hyskaru> yokowka: sudo apt install plank
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197 [02:41:22] <yokowka> hyskaru, done, what is second step?))
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199 [02:41:30] <hyskaru> then download the zip on the page
200 [02:42:03] <hyskaru> and extract the zip on
~/.local/share/plank/themes
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202 [02:43:39] <yokowka> how to find ~/.local ?))
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204 [02:44:03] <hyskaru> yokowka: download the zip
205 [02:44:15] <hyskaru> extract the zip, open your file manager
206 [02:44:18] <hyskaru> then ctrl + h
207 [02:44:20] <yokowka> already
208 [02:44:27] <hyskaru> you can see the hidden folders
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210 [02:44:43] <yokowka> ctrl + h fine
211 [02:44:50] <hyskaru> do you see .local ?
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215 [02:45:57] <yokowka> yep!!))))
216 [02:46:05] <hyskaru> nice
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220 [02:48:07] <yokowka> no in share/ - / plank((
221 [02:48:18] <hyskaru> yokowka:
222 [02:49:01] <hyskaru> put the folder theme in
.local/share/plank/themes
223 [02:49:48] <yokowka> in ~/.local/share not exist folder named
plank((
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225 [02:50:40] <hyskaru> cd .local/share && mkdir -p
/plank/themes
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230 [02:52:59] <yokowka> i've type cd .local/share
&& mkdir -p /plank/themes answer was: makedir access
denied...
231 [02:53:09] <hyskaru> yokowa
232 [02:53:16] <hyskaru> go on the folder where you have
extracted the zip fole
233 [02:53:27] <hyskaru> right click, open a terminal here and
type
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235 [02:53:50] <hyskaru> mkdir -p ~/.local/share/plank/themes
&& mv Gnosierra ~/.lcoal/share/plank/themes/
236 [02:54:06] <hyskaru> mkdir -p ~/.local/share/plank/themes
&& mv Gnosierra ~/.local/share/plank/themes/
237 [02:54:08] <hyskaru> sorry typo
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239 [02:56:35] <yokowka> never mind, all are done, exist folder
plank and folder gnosierra in it!!)) third step is...&&
240 [02:56:40] <yokowka> ??
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242 [02:57:06] <hyskaru> yokowka:
243 [02:57:09] <hyskaru> what is the output of
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245 [02:57:19] <hyskaru> ls ~/.local/share/plank/themes/
246 [02:58:09] <yokowka> gnosierra
247 [02:58:13] <hyskaru> perfect
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249 [02:58:20] <hyskaru> then you can change the theme on plank
250 [02:59:13] <yokowka> one dilem is. still dash to dock in the
bottom of the screen...((((
251 [02:59:34] <hyskaru> you can disable dash to sock
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253 [02:59:36] <hyskaru> dock
254 [02:59:46] <yokowka> how to??
255 [03:00:58] <hyskaru> check in the gnome config, i
doesn't use gnome
256 [03:01:03] <hyskaru> your plank theme works ?
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259 [03:01:52] <yokowka> hyskaru, i don't know, how to find
it??
260 [03:02:10] <hyskaru> find what, the theme or how to disable ?
261 [03:02:23] <yokowka> i mean plank make instead of dash to
dock...
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263 [03:03:03] <yokowka> how disable dash and enabled plank!
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267 [03:03:49] <hyskaru> yokowka:
replaced-url
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269 [03:04:10] <hyskaru> just remove
270 [03:04:32] <hyskaru> in gnome-tweak-tools, go on extensions
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275 [03:07:42] <yokowka> made how on the screen shot , what
next??
276 [03:08:10] <hyskaru> dash to dock is disabled ?
277 [03:09:39] <yokowka> enabled, just moved to the left like on
screen shot.
278 [03:10:07] <hyskaru> yokowka: you can disable it you have a
button for disable
279 [03:11:35] <yokowka> yes i have, for plank i need to see what
programs on dash to copy them there!!))
280 [03:11:48] <hyskaru> yokowka: for change the theme
281 [03:12:01] <hyskaru> right clic on plank, then preferences
282 [03:12:16] <hyskaru> and in the theme part now you would see
gnosierra
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284 [03:14:48] <yokowka> but where is selecting of ungle plank??
how to make starting plank with startin of debian??
285 [03:16:14] <hyskaru> yokowka: check on gnome-tweak-tools, you
have startup applications
286 [03:16:17] <hyskaru> check if plank is here
287 [03:17:52] <yokowka> now plank is there)) how to make ungled
plank, not smooth??
288 [03:18:12] <yokowka> how to add applet on plank?
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290 [03:19:15] <hyskaru> yokowka: right click on plank
291 [03:19:17] <hyskaru> and preferences
292 [03:19:51] <yokowka> yep and...??
293 [03:19:58] <hyskaru> try to move alignment
294 [03:20:20] <hyskaru> don't remember how to
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296 [03:20:28] <hyskaru> you have behaviour and docklets
297 [03:21:52] <yokowka> alignment not chage the angle((
298 [03:22:08] <hyskaru> check on behaviour and docklets i
don't remember
299 [03:23:16] <yokowka> pitty
300 [03:23:32] <hyskaru> ?
301 [03:23:46] <yokowka> if you can - remember then))
302 [03:23:55] <hyskaru> wait i start a vm
303 [03:23:57] <hyskaru> to try
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305 [03:24:12] <hyskaru> do you have set the gnosierra theme ?
306 [03:24:25] <yokowka> best you can do to help me))
307 [03:24:45] <yokowka> yep gnosierra theme is on
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310 [03:32:10] <hyskaru> yokowka: what do you want, a zoom when
you go on the icon ?
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312 [03:33:53] <yokowka> hyskaru, plank disapeared(( in dash
exist item plank, but not at the bottom.... i eed plank look like
fall tower by the sides left and right - trapecium
313 [03:34:09] <yokowka> *need
314 [03:34:43] <hyskaru> what do you mean by disapeared ?
315 [03:35:04] <yokowka> not exist now((
316 [03:35:22] <hyskaru> put the mouse where plank is located
317 [03:35:25] <hyskaru> autohide ?
318 [03:35:48] <yokowka> not autohide, go off
319 [03:36:20] <yokowka> it not runs
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321 [03:36:33] <yokowka> from dash....
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341 [03:57:26] <Gerowen> Anybody know how in the world to
uninstall onedrive-d if you've installed it manually from git?
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343 [04:02:19] <klys> gerowen, make uninstall; is the usual way
to uninstall from source.
344 [04:04:20] <Gerowen> klys: It had its own custom installer, a
python script I believe. I'll have to poke around, it's
been a week or two since I messed with it and I'm just going to
download my Onedrive stuff from the website because it's not
working too hot for whatever reason.
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347 [04:11:42] <Gerowen> Got it, pip3 uninstall onedrive-d
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349 [04:15:38] <Gerowen> Still had to do some manual cleanup, but
got rid of it.
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390 [05:17:56] <beepnboop-> rydare,
391 [05:18:08] <rydare> oh no it's beepnboop-
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403 [05:40:12] <k_sze[work]> Ever since upgrading our server from
Jessie to Stretch, vim has a tendency to get stuck for a few seconds
upon any keystroke, especially in command mode and insert mode (but
not in last line mode, I think).
404 [05:40:22] <k_sze[work]> Anybody running in to the same
problem?
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406 [05:42:04] <k_sze[work]> And it happens randomly, sometimes
it would be smooth, sometimes it would get stuck for a few seconds,
and buffer the keystrokes as I type, and then suddenly execute all
the keystrokes all at once when it gets unstuck.
407 [05:42:56] <k_sze[work]> And it's only vim. It's
not a problem with SSH, because I have vim in a tmux session over
SSH. Switching window in tmux is still instantaneous.
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413 [06:10:01] <SerajewelKS> k_sze[work]: that sounds like
possibly some I/O going on? what's the memory/swap usage on the
machine? maybe parts of vim's memory are getting swapped while
you type?
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425 [06:32:59] <k_sze[work]> I don't think it's swap.
It happens even when I have *lots* of RAM and swap free.
426 [06:33:58] <k_sze[work]> And the files I edit aren't
*that* big. Just Python source files in the kilobytes range.
427 [06:34:36] <k_sze[work]> I suspect it has something to do
with flow control, though I'm still not sure at which level.
428 [06:35:08] <k_sze[work]> I suspect it's in one of bash,
ssh, or vim.
429 [06:35:24] <k_sze[work]> Well, probably not bash or ssh
430 [06:35:42] <k_sze[work]> because tmux windows switching is
still instantaneous while vim is stuck
431 [06:35:50] <k_sze[work]> so it's probably in vim.
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443 [06:58:50] <SerajewelKS> k_sze[work]: does this happen
without tmux?
444 [06:59:08] <SerajewelKS> or without ssh, e.g. directly on the
machine (assuming you have physical access)
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446 [07:01:38] <luckywho_> Hi, i'm building alsa-lib 1.1.6
447 [07:02:11] <luckywho_> As current version 1.1.3 failing to
work in my system.
448 [07:02:31] <luckywho_> i tried 1.1.6 source code and install
in my system it worked
449 [07:02:43] <luckywho_> so i'm trying to create debian
package
450 [07:02:47] <luckywho_> from source
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replaced-url
453 [07:02:59] <hexhaxtron> Anyone knows if Webmin can be used by
many different users?
454 [07:03:39] <luckywho_> i have *.dsc, *.orig.tar.bz2,
*.debian.tar.xz
455 [07:03:59] <luckywho_> i have followed a process to build my
debian package it was successful
456 [07:04:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1050
457 [07:04:29] <luckywho_> now when installing one package
getting conflict with existing package
458 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> dpkg -i
libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb
459 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> (Reading database ... 88865 files and
directories currently installed.)
460 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> Preparing to unpack
libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb ...
461 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> Unpacking libasound2-udeb (1.1.6-1)
...
462 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> dpkg: error processing archive
libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb (--install):
463 [07:05:06] * dpkg removes a speen from luckywho_ and replaces it
with libasound2-udeb_1.1.6-1_arm64.udeb
464 [07:05:06] <luckywho_> trying to overwrite
'/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf', which is also in package
libasound2-data 1.1.6-1
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466 [07:05:40] <simbalion> I've got an mp4 file with AAC
audio that isn't playing audio in VLC and doesn't play at
all in MPV, can anyone tell me what I need to install to fix that?
467 [07:06:03] <towo^work> luckman212, don't install any
udeb package
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472 [07:10:44] <simbalion> openshot can play the files, but not
mpv, and vlc has no audio. very weird
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483 [07:25:43] <simbalion> hrm seems like firefox can play them
too but not mpv wtf
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485 [07:27:40] <rshakin> hey any open vpn gurus here ?
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498 [07:51:28] <darxmurf> nop
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509 [08:12:05] <rshakin> bummmer
510 [08:12:28] <k_sze[work]> SerajewelKS: I'd need to try,
hold on.
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514 [08:15:50] <k_sze[work]> Actually, that's another
problem.
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516 [08:16:14] <k_sze[work]> I have physical access to the
server, but the keyboard and monitor would stop responding after a
while.
517 [08:16:35] <k_sze[work]> The screen would show a black screen
with a single stationary cursor at the top left
518 [08:16:50] <k_sze[work]> capslock and numlock keys on the
keyboard don't light up.
519 [08:17:01] <rshakin> bad mobo
520 [08:17:09] <rshakin> had that before
521 [08:17:16] <k_sze[work]> But if I tell the server to reboot
(via SSH), I get output on that screen again.
522 [08:17:56] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: I wonder if it's a
BIOS option or a power saving option in Debian.
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524 [08:18:35] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: does the monitor go dark at
all
525 [08:18:43] <k_sze[work]> you mean go to standby?
526 [08:19:38] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yes
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528 [08:20:20] <k_sze[work]> No, it doesn't go to standby.
The screen just turns to an empty terminal screen (all black,
non-blinking underscore text cursor at the top left).
529 [08:21:18] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: hmm, sounds like vlock
almost... or something of that sort
530 [08:21:25] <k_sze[work]> But I get text output on that screen
once I initiate a reboot via SSH.
531 [08:22:14] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: make sure its not going
into sleep or something stupid like that
532 [08:22:41] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: how do I tell?
533 [08:23:07] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: well if you can ssh to it
it should be not that
534 [08:23:21] <k_sze[work]> Yeah, I can ssh to it, all the time.
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536 [08:23:37] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: what are you using to
connect vga or ?
537 [08:23:46] <k_sze[work]> vga
538 [08:24:03] <k_sze[work]> The one built into the mobo.
539 [08:24:59] <k_sze[work]> It's a Supermicro X10DRG-Q mobo
with Xeon E5-2630 CPUs.
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541 [08:26:18] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: is it a real console or
xrandr
542 [08:26:52] <k_sze[work]> I don't know xrandr.
543 [08:26:55] <k_sze[work]> Probably a real console?
544 [08:29:11] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: check your grub config see
if it's setting something weird
545 [08:29:33] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: /etc/default/grub?
546 [08:30:58] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yeah
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549 [08:32:34] <usney> how can I decompress an img file in
debian?
550 [08:33:23] <k_sze[work]> rshakin:
replaced-url
551 [08:34:34] <k_sze[work]> I don't know why there's
rcutree.rcu_idle_gp_delay=1, but the pci=noaer is because of some
quirk between the kernel and the ASPEED GPU built into the mobo.
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555 [08:36:10] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: well it looks ok
556 [08:36:38] <k_sze[work]> The mobo also has three GeForce GTX
Titan X cards installed, though they are meant only for compute.
557 [08:37:13] <k_sze[work]> In any case, even if the OS decided
to output to one of the Titan X's, I don't see why the
keyboard should not respond.
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559 [08:37:31] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: yeah very strange
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563 [08:40:21] <k_sze[work]> Actually, I'm guessing the
problem has more to do with the keyboard (or rather, USB subsystem)
than the video output.
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567 [08:43:27] <k_sze[work]> Yeah, I see a lot of
connection/disconnection events for the mouse and keyboard in dmesg,
even though I know nobody has physically unplugged or replugged them
in a long time.
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569 [08:43:50] <at0m> k_sze[work]: maybe some powersave events on
usb?
570 [08:44:06] <at0m> k_sze[work]: powertop is convenient to set
that up
571 [08:45:47] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: i had that when the mobo
was dying on me but it was and old server
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573 [08:46:29] <rshakin> now, if anyone can figure out why my
openvpn is showing my geolocation to be wrong that be bitching
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575 [08:46:44] <Bravehand> What a good system diagnostics tool
for GNU/Linux? more specifically one that will work in debian based
environments?
576 [08:47:06] <SwedeMike> Bravehand: what kind of system
diagnostics are you after?
577 [08:47:18] <rshakin> server is in canada... ip geolocates to
canada... google thinks i am in brazil when i am connected to open
vpn
578 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> SwedeMike: not really sure. I have
been tasked with an assignment and the question is really general.
7. "Research some diagnostic programs that can be used to
perform system diagnostics
579 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Which programs would you recommend and
why?
580 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Run the system diagnostic program
according to specification (provide screen dumps as proof)
581 [08:48:52] <Bravehand> Modify the system configuration as
indicated by the diagnostic program. Explain what you did"
582 [08:49:00] <Bravehand> So I don't know where to start
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584 [08:49:15] <at0m> BrainWork: system? OS, hardware, services,
..?
585 [08:49:15] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: maybe Google happens to
have an outdated geoip database?
586 [08:49:32] <k_sze[work]> rshakin: check what maxmind thinks
on their website.
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588 [08:50:06] <at0m> BrainWork: is that ##homework ?
589 [08:50:41] <at0m> !debian based
590 [08:50:41] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
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592 [08:51:44] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: nope still shows montreal
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594 [08:52:00] <rshakin> k_sze[work]: weird stuff for sure
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603 [08:56:25] <k_sze[work]> hmm
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605 [08:56:35] <k_sze[work]> resetting USB using this script
isn't good enough:
replaced-url
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632 [09:28:05] <moussa> i installed inn2 on my debian box, but
there is no binaries just conf files
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634 [09:28:44] <moussa> so is inn2 badly packaged?
635 [09:29:13] <Habbie> moussa, dpkg -L inn2
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637 [09:31:37] <moussa> i installed through apt
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658 [10:03:19] <at0m> k_sze[work]: how's your usb
powersaving set up? /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control where
"on" forces the device/bus to remain powered on,
"auto" will allow powersaving to be applied.
659 [10:03:50] <at0m> k_sze[work]: for a convenient interface,
try powertop
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662 [10:07:05] <k_sze[work]> at0m: my keyboard is plugged to 3-10
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664 [10:07:24] <k_sze[work]> and
/sys/bus/usb/devices/3-10/power/control shows "on"
665 [10:08:38] <k_sze[work]> Although
/sys/bus/usb/devices/usb3/power/control shows "auto".
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671 [10:15:31] <at0m> k_sze[work]: lsusb -t shows the tree
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673 [10:15:58] <k_sze[work]> at0m: here:
replaced-url
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675 [10:18:41] <mmm4m5m> Hi. My desktop is debian stretch.
Sometimes the computer freeze completely - mouse not moving, numlock
key lights not switching. Sometimes only XFCE crash and I see the
login screen. The computer is online all night.
676 [10:18:41] <mmm4m5m> I usually get few crashes every morning.
And after 10h it mostly works. Most of the time there is nothing in
the log files. Sometimes I see one line with many "^@"
(nul) chars in logs. Sometimes I see error "Oops: 0000" or
"Oops: 0002".
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678 [10:19:07] <mmm4m5m> All problems started few months ago! It
WAS very stable desktop, working 90 days without restart. I use only
few applications - terminal, geany, pidgin, xonotic, rexuiz,
firefox, adobe-flash. Adobe-flash often segfault but it was NOT able
to crash everything.
679 [10:19:07] <mmm4m5m> I updated adobe flash. I switched to
nvidia video driver. Kernel is updated regularly. How to find the
problem? Maybe to try older version of firefox? Or maybe this is the
risk of using adobe-flash? Thanks for the help!
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681 [10:19:57] <jelly> mmm4m5m: nvidia driver can sometimes cause
kernel issues. However, the free nouveau driver can ALSO cause
kernel issues that sometimes have similat symptoms.
682 [10:21:25] <jelly> mmm4m5m: also check temperature sensors
and verify cooling is adequate and the machine is not overheating
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684 [10:21:58] <darxmurf> anybody using thunderbird here ?
685 [10:22:08] <mmm4m5m> It was nvidia since January. I have
GeForce 9600 GT and there was problems. Then I used nouveau. Now it
is nvidia again. Both have worked nice. And also with both I have
these recent problems - crashes.
686 [10:22:34] <jelly> mmm4m5m: nul characters in open files are
a consequence of a hard crash
687 [10:23:15] <mmm4m5m> I checked the box inside - all fans are
working. Nvidia driver report 43-44C degrees. Most crashes are
morning, the temperature in the morning is lower.
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690 [10:23:52] <mmm4m5m> Yes, sometimes there are nul chars
inside /var/log/message and other log files.
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692 [10:28:25] <mmm4m5m> The adobe-flash and firefox segfault
often. I am now searching in that direction - "Chrome_ChildThr
plugin-container libgobject libflashplayer Abort channel ipc
MessageChannel ipc_channel_posix npapi"... Maybe sometimes it
manage to crash the whole computer... Is it possible?
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694 [10:29:59] <mmm4m5m> Also after crash sometimes bios forget
all settings and I have to "load from profile".
695 [10:34:38] <mmm4m5m> I could be a good move from my side? Log
over network to another computer? Install some packages for more
kernel debuging and logging? Try older firefox? I am almost certain
that withOUT adobe-flash it will NOT crash. Maybe I can try that
way? Few days with firefox and xonotic ONLY?
696 [10:34:50] <mmm4m5m> *What could be...
697 [10:36:36] <mmm4m5m> My usage is very very simple. Maybe
there is bug I can find it. I click adobe-flash game in the morning.
I click xonotic game afternoon. And I browse the network. That is
all.
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704 [10:39:15] <mmm4m5m> I have 6GB ram and swap BUT I try to
never use the swap. I usually stop one browser before I start the
gaming browser (with adobe-flash).
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724 [10:52:32] <darxmurf> re
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743 [11:08:37] <marz_d`ghostman> mirror.rise.ph,
replaced-url
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747 [11:11:15] <marz_d`ghostman> hmm
748 [11:11:47] <marz_d`ghostman> Also can we register our mirror
server hosting debian-cd?
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749 [11:12:47] <babilen> marz_d`ghostman: Try #debian-mirrors on
irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org)
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752 [11:14:16] <marz_d`ghostman> okay thanks babilen
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864 [13:23:12] <perdent> I need to connect a fibre lead to a
Cisco SAN switch - the device is deck EMC ESX gist (no the of model)
The port is an HBA: This is the reverse of the server:
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869 [13:30:22] <petn-randall> perdent: Wrong channel? Or at least
I can't see how that's relevant to Debian.
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881 [13:41:09] <jelly> perdent: yeah that seems offtopic as hell,
however the top left (1) and top right (7) look like FC SAN with
SFP+ modules already present
882 [13:41:17] <jelly> ,v mongodb
883 [13:41:18] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; jessie:
1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1; buster: 1:3.4.15-1;
sid: 1:3.4.15-1
884 [13:41:30] <jelly> ,checkbackport mongodb
885 [13:41:31] <judd> Backporting package mongodb in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch, stretch-backports.
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906 [13:59:55] <inquisitiv3> I would like to share directories
between my host (Stretch) and a VM using virt-manager. The
instructions on KVM's website is a bit outdated it seems.
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907 [14:00:39] <inquisitiv3> I can't find any up to date
instructions. Does someone there know where I can find them, or know
how to do it?
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910 [14:02:24] <inquisitiv3> Some of the problems with the
instructions is that there's more options that isn't
described in the documentation. The wiki page was last edited in
2015. I couldn't find any contact information to the people
that manage the website or a project mailing list.
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975 [15:22:27] <Psy-Q> i have for years now had to select
"logout", "shutdown" or "reboot" twice
in KDE. the first time just makes the screen flash, but nothing
happens. this on stable. what could be the cause?
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977 [15:23:18] <Psy-Q> sometimes the second time doesn't
actually reboot or shutdown either, and then the GUI becomes
unresponsive but the cursor is still usable. i can't find a
pattern in when this happens
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1059 [16:35:14] <f-a> just to confirm: I cannot downgrade to
previous firefox, right?
1060 [16:37:09] <ksk> f-a: downgrading is in general not supported
by debians packaging format.
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1062 [16:38:03] <greycat> You can try installing the old
firefox-esr package, but what happens with your existing profile(s)
we cannot guess
1063 [16:38:43] <jelly> they sort of work
1064 [16:38:53] <f-a> thanks ksk / greycat. More than profile, I
am interested in sound: new one apparently requires pulseaudio,
while I have alsa installed
1065 [16:38:56] <greycat> It's not about a "packaging
format" so much as what firefox does to your user profile when
you update.
1066 [16:39:06] <jelly> best to restore ~/.mozilla/firefox/ from
backup
1067 [16:39:47] <greycat> f-a: for the record, the previous ESR
series also had pulseaudio as a requirement, but Debian hacked the
ALSA support back in.
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1070 [16:40:08] <f-a> well, I greatly appreciate it in retrospect
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1073 [16:40:57] <greycat> Apparently in the 52.x series, the ALSA
code was still there, just disabled by default at compile time, so
Debian only had to change a compile option to turn it back on. But
in 60.x the code is actually removed.
1074 [16:41:22] <f-a> sad, but understandable
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1083 [16:49:59] <mason> It wouldn't be so bad if PulseAudio
didn't to this day corrupt its own binary on-disk state and
break spectacularly.
1084 [16:50:25] <jelly> that happens less often these days
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1086 [16:50:44] <mason> Quite a bit less often, but it's
bitten me a couple times in the last couple months.
1087 [16:50:56] <jelly> !bite mason
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1092 [16:51:20] <mason> You'll have to elbow in next to
PulseAudio.
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1094 [16:52:10] <mason> On the plus side, it's nice being
able to split audio and record sound output without any messy analog
capture.
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1096 [16:52:24] <ntd> how is the situation re debian grub and
secure boot? have they gotten their grub signed or do they sign
their grub and publish the pubkey somewhere?
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1099 [16:53:14] <f-a> jelly: indeed my experiences with pa have
been a mixed bag. I am sure some time in the future I'll
bandwagon but as now I prefer not. I am currently searching for a
usable browser which did not ditch alsa: currently trying palemoon
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1101 [16:54:25] <n4dir> f-a: my choice was seamonkey, but it
isn't in the repos.
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1103 [16:55:30] <n4dir> i would be open for a suggestion for a
browser from the repos though.
1104 [16:55:50] <f-a> n4dir: thanks for the tip. Palemoon was not
in the repos either. I'll download seamonkey.
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1107 [16:56:58] <n4dir> to me the look (feel, etc) is a bit
clumpsy, but each time i run in a ff problem, seamonkey does the job
fine. I guess this time i will stick with it. Done with all the ff
problems.
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1109 [16:57:59] <jelly> seamonkey and other firefox forks that
still support xul extensions have an insecure future
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1116 [17:03:10] <n4dir> perhaps a usable browser will appear in
the meantime (doubt it though). Found that midori is still installed
(no clue why i gave up on it, will probably find out soon).
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1122 [17:05:01] <n4dir> i want to make ~/bin/seamonkey/seamonkey
executable from the command-prompt as "seamonkey", without
full path. How would i do that? I did lots of "ln"
commands, without success.
1123 [17:05:17] <greycat> add that directory to your PATH variable
1124 [17:05:45] <n4dir> oh. thank you.
1125 [17:05:51] <f-a> or an alias
1126 [17:06:16] <n4dir> i did the alias, but that gave errors
(yesterday night, forgot the exact problem).
1127 [17:06:29] <greycat> or a symlink from a directory
that's already in PATH
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1129 [17:07:56] <f-a> got to go now, thanks everyone for helping
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1132 [17:08:32] <n4dir> that failed too, i tried /usr/bin and
/usr/local/bin. probably did it wrong, ln is weird to me (i never do
it)
1133 [17:08:47] <greycat> you SHOULD be trying $HOME/bin assuming
that's already in your PATH
1134 [17:08:55] <greycat> you should most definitely not be
fucking with /usr/bin
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1138 [17:09:32] <f-a> n4dir: path will do fine and it's
simply a line in .bashrc
1139 [17:09:48] <f-a> indeed aliases do *not* work when invoked
by, say, external applications
1140 [17:09:55] <greycat> oh, you already screwed yourself on that
one; you can't create a symlink named ~/bin/seamonkey because
that is already a DIRECTORY for some unfathomable reason
1141 [17:10:03] <n4dir> greycat: ~/bin is in PATH, as .profile
sets it in debian. subdirectories which contain the executable
don't work though, only ~/bin/exec
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1143 [17:10:13] <greycat> well duh
1144 [17:10:20] <greycat> you don't make subdirectories in
~/bin/
1145 [17:10:25] <greycat> that is just insane
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1151 [17:10:58] <greycat> at first I figured you had
~/seamonkey/bin/seamonkey but no....
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1153 [17:11:37] <n4dir> so i untar an executable file which
contains a folder which contains an executable. Where and how would
i do that?
1154 [17:11:58] <greycat> You start by doing "tar t..."
on the tar file to see what it will create when you extract it.
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1156 [17:12:06] <greycat> Then once you know what it will create,
THEN you can decide where to do it.
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1159 [17:12:58] <n4dir> and what would be a good choice for
"where" ?
1160 [17:13:08] <greycat> Most likely, if it's a Big-Ass
Thing, it will create a self-named directory (like
"firefox" or "seamonkey") as the top level dir,
and you are expected to extract it in /opt or similar.
1161 [17:13:37] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea what you
downloaded or what it expands to.
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1167 [17:22:47] <n4dir> - /usr/local/bin/seamonkey/seamonkey is ok
? probably not.
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1170 [17:23:07] <jelly> don't put folders under bin/
1171 [17:23:41] <jelly> /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey is
passable, and symlink it under /usr/local/bin if you want it to be
in PATH
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1173 [17:24:40] <jelly> I thought palemoon was the best supported
fork?
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1175 [17:25:51] <n4dir> ln -s /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey
/usr/local/bin/ ?
1176 [17:28:06] <jelly> yeah. Or a relative symlink. (cd
/usr/local/bin && ln -s ../seamonkey/seamonkey)
1177 [17:29:17] <n4dir> user$ seamonkey
1178 [17:29:17] <n4dir> Could not find the Mozilla runtime.
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1180 [17:29:30] <n4dir> after doing the symlink
1181 [17:29:48] <jelly> sigh
1182 [17:30:12] <jelly> then make a wrapper script I guess
1183 [17:31:17] <jelly> (one that basically does #!/bin/sh \n cd
/usr/local/seamonkey \n exec ./seamonkey "$@" \n )
1184 [17:31:57] <n4dir> so full path. oh my.
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1188 [17:36:42] <n4dir> jelly: that is how i understood you, and
it sure starts seamonkey from cli and from command prompt:
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1190 [17:37:10] <n4dir> mv the seamonkey directory to
/usr/local/seamonkey then put a script named seamonkey in ~/bin
1191 [17:37:36] <n4dir> the script including the full path to
start it and "$@"
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1193 [17:37:47] <n4dir> that is acceptable ?
1194 [17:38:13] <jelly> if it works, sure
1195 [17:38:43] <n4dir> yup, tested, works. Thanks. (all that
sounds dumb, but i pretty much never do anything but use apps from
repos).
1196 [17:39:01] <jelly> (I'd still prefix the command with
exec to get rid of a shell process.
1197 [17:39:06] <n4dir> and 2 or 3 very little self written
scripts in ~/bin
1198 [17:39:13] <n4dir> thanks
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1200 [17:40:29] * n4dir added the exec ; thanks for that too
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1204 [17:41:26] <sZbcE8qNfG> just curious, what resolutions do
some of you use?
1205 [17:42:03] <sZbcE8qNfG> i'm on 1366x768 with a cheap TN
panel....i wonder if it will damage my eyesight
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1207 [17:43:29] <greycat> As long as you use the native resolution
of your (non-CRT) monitor, it should be as good as it's gonna
get.
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1232 [18:05:46] <petn-randall> Err, I just noticed that one of my
extra mouse buttons causes rhythmbox to stop playing music. I
don't recall ever setting that up. How do I debug what is doing
that? I'd like to disable it.
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1234 [18:06:19] <greycat> Only when you're focused on the
rhythmbox window, or always?
1235 [18:08:04] <greycat> If it's always, then it's
probably a configuration in your Window Manager.
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1240 [18:10:55] <petn-randall> Yes, always
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1243 [18:12:26] <petn-randall> I'm running xfce on stable, I
check the "mouse and touchpad" settings, and also the
keyboard shortcuts. It's not set there. Anywhere else to look?
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1252 [18:25:08] <greycat> well, I know nothing about xfce, but if
all you want to do is *stop* it from working, you might be able to
rebind that mouse button to "nothing" with xmodmap
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1254 [18:25:14] <jelly> petn-randall: what does xev say, which
event pressing that button sends?
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1257 [18:26:45] <petn-randall> jelly:
replaced-url
1258 [18:26:55] <petn-randall> I think the laste entry is from
ctrl + c.
1259 [18:27:46] <jelly> petn-randall: you also need to focus the
cursor into xev's window and then press it
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1261 [18:28:01] <jelly> none of that looks like pressing a mouse
button to me
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1263 [18:29:13] <jelly> you'll get LOTS of junk when moving
the cursor over xev window, that's how you know you're
close to doing the right thing :-)
1264 [18:30:17] <petn-randall> Yes, it was spamming a lot of
output. Let me try again then.
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1266 [18:32:02] <greycat> Try "xev -event button -event
keyboard"
1267 [18:32:29] <petn-randall> jelly: Here's the output from
only pressing and releasing the special mouse button:
replaced-url
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1270 [18:33:44] <greycat> I'm still not seeing any
ButtonPress or ButtonRelease or KeyPress or KeyRelease
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1276 [18:40:49] <jelly> yeah I have no idea what's happening
there, either
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1303 [18:59:33] <yokowka> hys
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1305 [18:59:42] <yokowka> sorry))))
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1326 [19:09:21] <Deknos> hey, are there no apt-config options for
autoremove and (auto)clean?
1327 [19:09:30] <Deknos> couldnt find them in the manpage
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1330 [19:11:40] <mmm4m5m> jelly: hi. I think you have read my
question early today. Maybe the answer is - firefox hardware
acceleration off. I need few days to confirm it.
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1342 [19:28:12] <zerocool> hi there
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1344 [19:28:59] <zerocool> will apparmor be forced on me in the
near future?
1345 [19:29:03] <zerocool> with debian
1346 [19:29:31] <mason> zerocool: Only if you're lucky.
1347 [19:30:23] <zerocool> hmm, i kinda remember seeing a message
during a kernel upgrade (on a testing machine) that said apparmor
was on by default
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1350 [19:31:13] <mason> zerocool: Recent install here - default
install has it disabled.
1351 [19:31:18] <mason> [ 0.016306] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by
boot time parameter
1352 [19:31:30] <zerocool> is that buster or stretch?
1353 [19:31:52] <greycat> definitely *not* stretch
1354 [19:32:18] <greycat> Oh... huh, I take it back.
1355 [19:32:21] <greycat> [ 0.022473] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled
by boot time parameter
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1357 [19:32:35] <greycat> Linux wooledg 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1359 [19:34:03] <zerocool> are those logs coming from dmesg?
1360 [19:34:12] <petn-randall> Some backports can pull in apparmor
on stable, but it's not enabled by default. On buster and
upwards it's currently enabled by default. If buster will
release with apparmor enabled by default is not decided yet.
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1362 [19:34:41] <zerocool> petn-randall: thanks
1363 [19:35:09] <petn-randall> zerocool: I'd hardly call it
"forced on me" if the defaults just changed. You can still
do whatever you want with your system.
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1365 [19:35:43] <greycat> As long as there's still a
"boot time parameter" to disable it, it should be OK
1366 [19:36:00] <zerocool> petn-randall: im not getting sour about
it at all, defaults changing it a change forced though. i think it
just sounds bad.
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1368 [19:37:03] <petn-randall> zerocool: Again, how is it
"forced"? Every changed is documented in the release
notes, and you're free to disable it, or use selinux, or tomoyo
linux, etc.
1369 [19:37:41] <petn-randall> zerocool: By that argument Debian
is also forcing you to use gnome, or Linux kernel 4.9.
1370 [19:37:59] <petn-randall> Or only free firmware.
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1372 [19:39:55] <annadane> or a computer.
1373 [19:39:56] <zerocool> petn-randall: man this point is not
really important, but even the policy change can be seen as
"forced on me" now I need to always take into account that
it's on. I didn't choose nor can I choose to have it off
by default. the policy change is forced on me
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1375 [19:40:06] <zerocool> but like I said, it's not
important to me
1376 [19:40:36] <greycat> you have a twisted definition of
"forced"
1377 [19:40:48] <petn-randall> zerocool: It's not
"forced". Just turn it off in the settings. Like any other
setting on your computer.
1378 [19:40:49] <zerocool> Look up force in the dictionary
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1380 [19:41:03] <petn-randall> "force" would imply you
have no choice.
1381 [19:41:09] <zerocool> I don't have a choice
1382 [19:41:27] <greycat> v 1: to cause to do through pressure or
necessity, by physical, moral or intellectual means 2: urge or force
(a person) to an action; constrain or motivate
1383 [19:41:33] <zerocool> Now I need to disable it doesn't
mean I have a choice if it's enabled by default
1384 [19:41:34] <petn-randall> zerocool: As we all said
repeatedly, you do.
1385 [19:42:20] <petn-randall> zerocool: By your logic you're
also forced to use Debian, I assume?
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1387 [19:43:12] <greycat> A change in the defaults can be
irritating, because then you have to make a decision: whether to
live with the new behaviors, which may impose a cost upon you, or
whether to take action to change all your systems present and
future, which will certainly impose a different cost upon you.
1388 [19:43:20] <annadane> what are we actually talking about?
1389 [19:43:23] <zerocool> petn-randall: you're not right and
I am not talking to you about this anymore because i have repeatedly
said that it's not important to me, it was used as a figure of
speach.
1390 [19:43:25] <greycat> This is not equivalent to your being
"forced" into anything, though.
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1392 [19:44:08] <greycat> annadane: speculation that AppArmor may
be enabled by default in buster (current status: not decided by
Debian yet)
1393 [19:44:17] <zerocool> greycat: in the future i will be forced
to disable it
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1395 [19:44:22] <zerocool> now i am not
1396 [19:44:33] <zerocool> why
1397 [19:44:41] <petn-randall> *plonk*
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1404 [19:48:58] <annadane> i mean if you're using buster to
begin with you have to be used to changes
1405 [19:49:03] <zerocool> And this is the last time I will say
this, I don't have a problem with the decision at all, in fact
I use to try to get SELinux installed on Debian a few years ago,
apparmor basically does what selinux does... so I'm happy.
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1408 [19:50:50] <zerocool> annadane: they're frustrated
because i used the word force, as if im saying everyone that uses
debian is a nazi
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1412 [19:51:30] <greycat> petn-randall: Godwin's Law was just
triggered, FYI
1413 [19:52:06] <annadane> this is one benefit of tracking stable,
you can read release notes that spell everything out
1414 [19:52:13] <annadane> use what you want though i guess
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1416 [19:53:43] <zerocool> i needed glusterfs support in libvirt,
i tried really hard to get that in stretch, simplest path for
testing was to go buster, did that, saw apparmor note, continued on
like i'm just here to test gluster...
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1419 [19:55:02] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1420 [19:55:02] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1421 [19:56:00] <zerocool> petn-randall: where's backports
1422 [19:56:10] <zerocool> 99% of the servers that I run are
stretch
1423 [19:56:14] <zerocool> with backports
1424 [19:57:01] <annadane> backports are on an as-volunteer basis
1425 [19:57:06] <annadane> you can backport your own packages
though
1426 [19:57:13] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
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1428 [19:57:34] <zerocool> i meant the backports channel
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1431 [19:58:05] <zerocool> i did try to backport libvirt for the
glusterfs parts but basically it was a mess and it was easier to
just install buster
1432 [19:58:49] <annadane> backports.debian.org has instructions
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1434 [19:59:28] <zerocool> later
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1436 [20:02:14] <ctcx> Think the file /etc/rc.local will still
have support on systemd through rc-local unit, or will it die
eventually and I should find ways to replace its usage?
1437 [20:02:38] <greycat> It is still supported on stretch if you
created it.
1438 [20:02:41] <ctcx> Or, more simply, is it still valid or
orthodox to use rc.local on systemd?
1439 [20:02:58] <greycat> I've never heard anyone say that
there's any plan to *stop* supporting it.
1440 [20:03:08] <ctcx> Thanks.
1441 [20:04:21] <ctcx> And, if I need to add a directory to PATH
permanently, is it still ok to add the "export" command to
/etc/profile?
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1443 [20:05:03] <greycat> That only affects certain kinds of login
environments.
1444 [20:05:34] <ctcx> Login environments? The shell? Bash?
1445 [20:06:00] <greycat> Are you trying to inflict this PATH
change on all users, or just for yourself? Do you only want to
inflict it on ssh users? Ssh + console users? Ssh + console +
Display Manager login users?
1446 [20:06:39] <ctcx> All users.
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1451 [20:07:51] <greycat> ... and the other questions? How are
your users logging in?
1452 [20:09:05] <ctcx> "ssh users"? I thought if I
remotely logged in a server with "ssh user@remoteHost",
where 'user' is a local user in remote server, it was just
as if I was locally in the server. I.e., taking all of user's
settings and paths...
1453 [20:09:24] <greycat> How are YOUR users logging in to YOUR
system right now?
1454 [20:09:33] <greycat> The ones whose PATHs you want to change.
1455 [20:10:12] <ctcx> This is a test server. I use "ssh
user@remoteHost".
1456 [20:10:34] <ctcx> Just that.
1457 [20:10:35] <greycat> But you said "all users",
implying that there are others besides YOU.
1458 [20:10:43] <greycat> Are they all logging in with ssh?
1459 [20:10:55] <ctcx> I created several users in the server.
1460 [20:11:01] <ctcx> Several local users, that is.
1461 [20:11:22] <ctcx> Sir, is it that I just said something wrong
or illegal?
1462 [20:11:25] <greycat> ... it's not just me, right? The
rest of you can see how GOD DAMNED FRUSTRATING this converstation
is, yes?
1463 [20:11:37] <greycat> DO THEY LOGIN WITH SSH
1464 [20:11:48] <ctcx> Yes
1465 [20:12:08] <greycat> OK. Next question: do they all use
bash/ksh/zsh/sh as their login shells, or do you have a few that use
csh/tcsh?
1466 [20:12:30] <ctcx> just bash, some few sh maybe
1467 [20:12:39] <greycat> OK, then /etc/profile will work.
1468 [20:12:46] <ctcx> Thanks.
1469 [20:13:17] <ctcx> Work, and still orthodox on systemd, I
guess...
1470 [20:13:24] <greycat> systemd has nothing to do with it
1471 [20:13:30] <ctcx> understood.
1472 [20:13:46] <ctcx> I'll better get going. Thanks.
1473 [20:14:00] <greycat> Login environment is set up by the
programs that you run when you login however you login. In the case
of ssh logins, you get a login shell. In the case of that shell
being bash/sh/ksh/zsh, it reads /etc/profile.
1474 [20:14:04] <ctcx> I just realize I over complicated myself.
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1477 [20:15:12] <greycat> If the second answer had been "some
use tcsh" then you would have had a choice: either edit both
/etc/profile AND the tcsh equivalent, whatever that is; OR, REMOVE
the PATH setting from /etc/profile and the tcsh equivalent and move
it to /etc/environment
1478 [20:15:50] <ctcx> So /etc/environment is global to all, or
most of the login shells...
1479 [20:15:57] <greycat> And NEITHER of these answers covers
Display Manager logins.
1480 [20:16:15] <ctcx> Sorry, I have never used display manager
logins...
1481 [20:16:24] <greycat> When I ask things like "how are
they logging in", it's because it MATTERS.
1482 [20:16:27] <ctcx> In fact I'm currently googling the
term.
1483 [20:16:34] <greycat> A graphical login. lightdm, gdm3, etc.
1484 [20:16:39] <greycat> Those do not read /etc/profile.
1485 [20:16:43] <ctcx> Yes, apologies.
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1487 [20:17:33] <ctcx> Today I kind of got desperate and in
strange mood with myself due to stuff here in part time job.
1488 [20:17:42] <ctcx> But I'm not justifying myself.
1489 [20:18:14] <ctcx> ... lightdm? Like that one used by GNOME
for, say, TeamViewer?
1490 [20:18:40] <greycat> lightdm is used by XFCE and so on
1491 [20:18:41] <annadane> gnome is gdm, lightdm is for things
like xfce
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1494 [20:18:57] <ctcx> OUCH!
1495 [20:19:03] <ctcx> damn wrong again!
1496 [20:19:15] <ctcx> Yes, lightdm is for XFCE...
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1499 [20:20:11] <ctcx> So systemd guys have not said anything
regarding killing rc.local yet...
1500 [20:20:23] <ctcx> (I couldn't find any info regarding
that on google)
1501 [20:20:42] <ctcx> But I do know rc.local is legacy since
*long* ago
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1503 [20:21:29] <greycat> It's considered a band-aid for
quick and dirty work.
1504 [20:21:53] <ctcx> ...
1505 [20:21:54] <greycat> Setting up a systemd service is fairly
easy, so you're encouraged to migrate your rc.local jobs to
systemd services as you get the time.
1506 [20:21:57] <ctcx> ouch
1507 [20:22:05] <ctcx> Aaaahhh
1508 [20:22:35] <ctcx> So the orthodox way to put rc.local jobs on
systemd is simply to use the systemd units.
1509 [20:22:41] <ctcx> No more, no less
1510 [20:23:06] <ctcx> Wait...
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1512 [20:23:34] <ctcx> Is rc-local.service usage also considered
quick and dirty job?
1513 [20:24:03] <greycat> I don't understand what you're
asking.
1514 [20:24:24] <Habbie> rc-local.service is what runs rc.local
for you
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1516 [20:24:43] <ctcx> Nevermind.
1517 [20:25:11] <ctcx> That service just directly runs rc.local,
which is considered dirty anyways.
1518 [20:25:27] <ctcx> So better create due systemd units.
1519 [20:26:36] <annadane> i guess the handbook is a little
outdated regarding systemd units and how to use them
1520 [20:26:43] <annadane> the reference manual probably covers it
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1522 [20:26:54] <annadane> i'd have to look at the handbook
again
1523 [20:26:54] <greycat> I know the wiki does, because I wrote
that page. ;)
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1525 [20:27:12] <annadane> what's the page titled?
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1527 [20:27:35] <greycat>
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1528 [20:27:41] <annadane> yeah, logical enough
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1531 [20:30:05] <ctcx> Uff, /etc/environment seems to be not just
more "global" , but also more "specialized" or
dangerous... it's not even POSIX...
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1533 [20:31:08] <greycat> /etc/environment is a PAM thing. Any
login method that uses a PAM config file is typically configured to
read /etc/environment through pam_env.so
1534 [20:32:12] <greycat> e.g. in /etc/pam.d/sshd you can see
"# Read environment variables from /etc/environment and #
/etc/security/pam_env.conf. session required pam_env.so # [1]"
1535 [20:32:57] <greycat> which is why an ssh login read
/etc/environment, but this is USELESS 99% of the time, because you
can't put variable references in there (so nothing like
MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/), and the shell that gets chain-loaded by sshd
will override a lot of it as well
1536 [20:33:02] <sZbcE8qNfG> quick question, debian stretch
(stable) was release 06/2017. Is it safe to say the next stable is
going to be release around 06/2019?
1537 [20:33:17] <greycat> We don't have an estimated release
date yet.
1538 [20:33:25] <sZbcE8qNfG> but is it usually 2 years?
1539 [20:33:37] <greycat> 2-3 years is common
1540 [20:33:43] <sZbcE8qNfG> oh ok
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1542 [20:34:43] <yokowka> hevenO everysoul!!
1543 [20:35:04] <annadane> basically the more people there are to
help during freeze the sooner buster will get here
1544 [20:35:29] <annadane> i guess freeze aims to be around 6
months and it's due to happen in about january 2019 iirc
1545 [20:35:46] <annadane> "when it's ready"
1546 [20:35:49] <yokowka> hyskaru, how to make one-to-one chat?
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1552 [20:39:27] <ctcx> Anyone has heard or used acucobol thin
client by MicroFocus?
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1561 [20:46:52] <ctcx> From
replaced-url
1562 [20:47:01] <ctcx> But what if service is designed to run on
background?
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1564 [20:47:37] <greycat> You might be confusing
"background" with "long-running".
1565 [20:47:56] <Habbie> ctcx, what is the service?
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1568 [20:49:12] <greycat> Using ssh.service as the example, the
systemd unit file uses "ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D
$SSHD_OPTS" -- the -D option tells sshd NOT to put itself in
the background, but instead to run normally, in the foreground.
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1570 [20:49:48] <ctcx> This is the service
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1573 [20:50:46] <greycat> If you open a terminal, and run this
process manually, does it automatically background itself and give
you back a shell prompt, or does it "hang" as it runs in
the foreground, tying up the terminal and not giving you back a
prompt? You want the latter, if possible.
1574 [20:51:15] <ctcx> Let me see...
1575 [20:51:15] <greycat> Ah, the -f option describes it
perfectly.
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1578 [20:51:23] <ctcx> Let me see anyways...
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1580 [20:51:28] <greycat> «By default, acurcl runs in
background. Use the "-f" option to run acurcl in
foreground.»
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1582 [20:52:03] <greycat> So when setting up a service file, use
the -f option, so you can use the "simple" type instead of
the "forking" type.
1583 [20:52:31] <ctcx> Indeed, though it's written in that
doc, I wanted to confirm. It backgrounds itself and gives prompt
back.
1584 [20:54:04] <ctcx> I'm currently trying to
"study" this acurcl thing.
1585 [20:54:23] <ctcx> But the interested guy tells me "I
need it in background, without -f option".
1586 [20:54:37] <ctcx> Not with those words -he's not that
technical-
1587 [20:54:48] <greycat> Sounds like someone you should ignore if
possible.
1588 [20:54:57] <ctcx> ^ !!??
1589 [20:55:07] <ctcx> Too bad it is?
1590 [20:55:09] <greycat> If you can't, well, you have our
pity.
1591 [20:55:19] <ctcx> Too bad it is?
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1593 [20:56:03] <annadane> yokowka, sorry, can you elaborate a
bit? do you want to contact someone in IRC?
1594 [20:56:22] <annadane> you can /msg user blah
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1596 [20:56:41] <generic> how do I download a packet+deps without
running apt-update ?
1597 [20:56:51] <ctcx> greycat: don't get me wrong. I'm
total noob in this thing, and don't know if what this guy is
asking is orthodox or dirty...
1598 [20:57:08] <ctcx> But if I'm asking stupid things again,
sorry.
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1600 [20:57:32] <greycat> Most likely he doesn't know what
he's talking about.
1601 [20:57:40] <yokowka> annadane, glad this your writing))
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1604 [20:58:22] <ctcx> But more importantly, I don't know how
Microfocus stuff works. I'm currently searching their forums
whether there's a reason for run in background...
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1608 [20:59:07] <greycat> It was common behavior for daemons 20-30
years ago to self-background by default.
1609 [20:59:08] <ctcx> Ouch, yet another one...
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1610 [20:59:32] <greycat> Even sshd does it, sadly.
1611 [20:59:49] <ctcx> "It was common; it is sad" ...
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1613 [21:00:01] <ctcx> Does it mean backgrounding should be
deprecated or something?
1614 [21:00:02] <generic> firefox 60 su*ks
1615 [21:00:19] <greycat> Yes, self-backgrounding hurts more than
it helps, now, with modern service managers.
1616 [21:00:45] <greycat> It might have made sense back in the
ancient days of BSD systems that had absolutely no service manager
at all, not even inittab.
1617 [21:00:49] <annadane> generic, you can use firefox via
downloading it from mozilla's website, you don't have to
use firefox-esr
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1621 [21:01:32] <ctcx> The acushare page dates from 2008? WTH!?
1622 [21:01:43] <ctcx> So no wonder it mentions rc.local?
1623 [21:01:47] <generic> annadane, whats the use of debian then ?
1624 [21:02:06] <greycat> Debian stable has firefox-esr 60 now.
1625 [21:02:15] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
1626 [21:02:17] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch:
52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie:
52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security:
52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.2.0esr-1
1627 [21:02:21] <annadane> *plonk*
1628 [21:02:27] <generic> greycat, i know
1629 [21:02:32] <greycat> Huh, judd seems to be a bit out of date
here.
1630 [21:02:38] <annadane> debian stable doesn't prevent you
from running your own packages or downloaded files or whatever...
1631 [21:02:54] <annadane> just don't install directly from
testing/unstable with limited exceptions
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1633 [21:03:56] <generic> annadane, my machine isnt updated yet
how can I prevent that ?
1634 [21:04:03] <annadane> prevent what?
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1637 [21:04:10] <greycat> !tell generic about hold
1638 [21:04:24] <bites> which is a great idea with browsers.
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1640 [21:05:13] <generic> greycat, i wanna prevent apt-update
running before any apt install
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1642 [21:05:31] <greycat> No you don't.
1643 [21:05:46] <generic> greycat, suppose the *.deb files are out
fore a little more
1644 [21:05:56] <greycat> If your local copy of the package lists
is out of date, and you try to apt install something, it'll
simply fail with a 404.
1645 [21:06:15] <greycat> If you want to put firefox-esr on hold
so it doesn't update, then just put it on hold.
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1648 [21:06:36] <annadane> though that probably opens you up to
security vulnerabilities
1649 [21:06:55] <greycat> It will, at some point, almost
certainly.
1650 [21:06:57] <generic> annadane, x86 security my ass
1651 [21:07:09] <annadane> like i said you can use other browsers
including firefox... whatever the newest stable is
1652 [21:07:12] <annadane> 62?
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1656 [21:07:39] <greycat> generic: what specifically do you
dislike about firefox-esr 60.x?
1657 [21:07:41] <nr9032nsc6> Hi
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1660 [21:08:12] <nr9032nsc6> Is there a way to do a more low-level
format HDD than dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ?
1661 [21:08:26] <nr9032nsc6> or is that the lowest level hardware
access possible?
1662 [21:08:26] <generic> greycat, im not your user survey
1663 [21:08:35] <greycat> generic: then why are you here?
1664 [21:09:03] <zumba_addict> hi folks, I noticed my
debian's network performance is a little slower than my ubuntu.
Previously the machine was running ubunut. It's now running
debian. Any cool perf tuning for debian I can try?
1665 [21:09:21] <generic> greycat, i wanted to know how to install
a deb withot running apt-update
1666 [21:09:36] <annadane> dpkg -i foo.deb
1667 [21:09:36] * dpkg installs foo.deb into annadane's head with a
bone saw and a few screws
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1669 [21:09:39] <annadane> shut up
1670 [21:09:46] <greycat> download the .deb file manually, and use
"apt install ./my.deb" or "apt install
/absolute/path/to/my.deb"
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1673 [21:10:30] <greycat> You MUST use a path that begins with ./
or / because of historical reasons.
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1675 [21:11:23] <generic> and do this bullshit with all the deps ?
you must be kidding
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1678 [21:11:43] <greycat> generic: apt handles the dependencies
for you, which is THE ENITRE RUCKING POING
1679 [21:11:47] <greycat> F.... fuck
1680 [21:12:22] <greycat> Now stop being an OBTUSE TROLL and
actually read the answers you are given.
1681 [21:12:51] <annadane> oh, sorry. maybe not dpkg -i then
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1683 [21:15:10] <bites> dpkg -i then apt-get -f install is valid
too. don't worry about it.
1684 [21:15:10] <dpkg> package then apt-get -f install is valid
too. don't worry about it. is already installed
1685 [21:15:19] <bites> forgot about that...
1686 [21:15:23] <greycat> that's the older way
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1688 [21:17:39] <generic> bites, apt-get fix broken ?
1689 [21:18:00] <generic> bites, doesnt prevent apt update i
suppose
1690 [21:18:14] <greycat> If you choose to go with dpkg -i, then
you run "apt-get -f install" afterward (no other
arguments) to try to "fix up" the broken dependencies that
dpkg -i created.
1691 [21:18:18] <bites> not running apt update prevents apt
update.
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1693 [21:18:34] <greycat> YOU DO NOT FUCKING "PREVENT"
APT UPDATE YOU IDIOT
1694 [21:18:35] <greycat> *plonk*
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1696 [21:18:45] <greycat> I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT, AND I TOLD YOU
WHY.
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1698 [21:20:40] <annadane> apt update just refreshes the package
mirrors, it doesn't upgrade packages
1699 [21:20:43] <annadane> FYI
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1703 [21:21:37] <generic> thank you for your answers think google
knows better
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1705 [21:21:47] <tytan> hello everyone, I try to setup a minimal
debian 9 setup with i3wm. Now I'm at the point where I want
sound. I experimented with PulseAudio but I can't get a full
round package. What do you recommend/use?
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1709 [21:23:16] <bites> just pulseaudio and pavucontrol for the
settings.
1710 [21:23:18] <annadane> i guess pavucontrol installs all the
necessary dependencies
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1712 [21:23:37] <tytan> pavucontrol is not a cli application :/
1713 [21:23:37] <annadane> Recommends: pulseaudio
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1718 [21:24:43] <tytan> annadane: Ok, but how can I tune it from
the terminal or do you only use keybindings in i3config?
1719 [21:25:07] <annadane> i don't really use audio control
from the cli, i'll let other folks answer
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1722 [21:25:25] <bites> why does it need to be in terminal? do you
hate life?
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1724 [21:26:49] <sZbcE8qNfG> just install MATE and be done with it
1725 [21:27:25] <greycat> If you have graphical audio controls,
why are you even considering pulse at all?
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1727 [21:27:31] <tytan> I don't think a GUI application
offers much more for simple audio control
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1729 [21:27:41] <nkuttler> tytan: i use alsamixer
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1731 [21:27:43] <greycat> ... fuck, let's try that again
1732 [21:27:46] <greycat> If you haTe graphical audio controls,
why are you even considering pulse at all?
1733 [21:27:47] <tytan> I don't have graphical audio controls
1734 [21:28:18] <tytan> nkuttler: but does it work with
pulseaudio?
1735 [21:28:20] <nkuttler> don't ask me though if i had to
configure some compatibility layer..
1736 [21:28:26] <nkuttler> tytan: just try it?
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1738 [21:29:00] <nkuttler> aumix also works, presumably because i
have osspd-alsa installed
1739 [21:29:12] <tytan> on first sight it looks like what I'm
looking for :)
1740 [21:29:18] <greycat> If you simply want working audio, and
you aren't using a Desktop Environment, the usual answer is to
use the basic ALSA tools.
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1742 [21:30:13] <greycat> Most people haTe pulse so much that they
even go out of their way to run older versions of firefox in order
to continue having ALSA audio support in their browser. (Or they use
google-chrome instead.)
1743 [21:30:43] <tytan> but why?
1744 [21:30:50] <greycat> Why what?
1745 [21:30:51] <nkuttler> sound daemons suck. period
1746 [21:30:57] <tytan> why do people hate pulseaudio?
1747 [21:31:07] <greycat> Mostly because it doesn't actually
work.
1748 [21:31:18] <nkuttler> they just introduce more overhead and
problems. unless they solve a problem you have
1749 [21:31:19] <tytan> how is also different from pulse?
1750 [21:31:27] <tytan> *alsa
1751 [21:31:35] <greycat> There was a conversation here several
hours ago, and apparently it has gotten "less bad"
recently and only breaks once a month or so.
1752 [21:31:50] <greycat> pulse is a layer that sits on top of
ALSA
1753 [21:32:54] <tytan> ok so apt install alsa-utils and be happy?
^^
1754 [21:33:04] <greycat> !alsa checklist
1755 [21:33:04] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1756 [21:33:04] <annadane> or be unhappy
1757 [21:33:39] <tytan> don't worry
1758 [21:33:48] <greycat> I've never tried pulse myself so I
can't help if you choose that road, but plenty of other people
use it, usually unwittingly as part of some DE.
1759 [21:34:18] <tytan> yeah, I have used pa-applets in the past
in xfce and KDE
1760 [21:35:03] <nkuttler> tytan: i have that too. i just prefer
something in my terminal
1761 [21:35:20] <annadane> my main annoyance with the whole audio
thing is the fact that applications can affect system-wide volume
1762 [21:35:24] <annadane> but whatever
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1764 [21:35:38] <annadane> i have no real complaints, it's
fine
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1766 [21:36:15] <tytan> I'm pretty happy with my Debian 9
i3wm setup at the moment. I mainly use it for LaTeX writing but
I'd like to listen to some music while typing
1767 [21:36:28] <nkuttler> i think it sucks, but it's the
only thing that lets my usb sound devices work nicely
1768 [21:36:31] <annadane> out of curiosity what do you use for
latex?
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1770 [21:37:18] <tytan> I study electrical engineering and writing
scientific articles is easier faster and looks better with LaTeX for
me compared to Microsoft Word
1771 [21:37:36] <tytan> or even LibreOffice Writer
1772 [21:37:45] <annadane> well i mean what program(s)
1773 [21:37:59] <tytan> oh, just plain vim and texlive
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1777 [21:38:54] <tytan> also bibliography is a dream in LaTeX for
me as well.
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1782 [21:41:24] <yes-we-can> I want to add string after a string
in a line on 300 files
1783 [21:41:32] <yes-we-can> with bash
1784 [21:42:11] <yes-we-can> any ideas
1785 [21:42:17] <tytan> nah, I'
1786 [21:42:21] <tytan> m not that good with bash
1787 [21:42:25] <greycat> Show the actual input and the desired
output.
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1789 [21:45:36] <sZbcE8qNfG> is apache mod's like php
obsolete these days? compared to fast cgi
1790 [21:45:50] <yes-we-can> i wnt grep string "auth"
and appen after this string a string "log", so that the
liine now looks like "auth log". And there are 300 of
similar files
1791 [21:46:02] <yes-we-can> how I can llop it?
1792 [21:46:03] <yes-we-can> sed?
1793 [21:46:07] <yes-we-can> loop
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1795 [21:46:47] <greycat> Or ignore me completely. Yay.
1796 [21:47:08] <clasick> anyone know when plasma-desktop 5.12 is
coming to stretch?
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1798 [21:47:13] <annadane> never
1799 [21:47:17] <greycat> !stable
1800 [21:47:17] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release
when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will
only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed
in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is
Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are
fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me
about <security backports>).
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1801 [21:47:27] <annadane> you'll have to wait for the next
stable release - buster - in about july 2019
1802 [21:47:40] <annadane> (which won't be 5.12 as sid is
already on 5.13)
1803 [21:47:51] <clasick> ah
1804 [21:47:53] <clasick> sid = testing?
1805 [21:47:57] <annadane> sid = unstable
1806 [21:47:59] <greycat> sid = unstable
1807 [21:48:03] <clasick> hmm okay
1808 [21:48:05] <annadane> buster = current testing, next stable
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1810 [21:48:31] <annadane> stable = unchanging. mostly. learn to
live with 5.8
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1812 [21:48:42] <clasick> haha okay
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1814 [21:49:39] <tytan> looks like chromium got a new design
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1816 [21:49:56] <clasick> tytan: looks the same to me...
1817 [21:50:31] <tytan> have you updated?
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1824 [21:54:56] <greycat> google-chrome updated last week, and as
always, the design was changed because they have nothing better to
do
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1826 [21:55:58] <jhutchins_wk> Is it going to start pestering me
for a keychain passsword again?
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1831 [21:56:56] <tytan> what is it? forced creativity? I
don't like the round edges
1832 [21:57:11] <abrotman> Complain to them?
1833 [21:57:26] <tytan> I just installed vivaldi
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1835 [21:57:42] <tytan> I kinda like the option to have the
address bar at the bottom
1836 [21:57:49] <abrotman> Your'e still using webkit if that
matters
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1838 [21:57:54] <greycat> I always assume it's the result of
some focus group of teenagers with mobile phones glued to their
hands that have never used a desktop computer ever in their entire
lives.
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1840 [21:58:10] <tytan> possibly
1841 [21:58:15] <greycat> "how can we make this browser more
appealing to these teens and alienate every desktop user even
more?"
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1844 [21:59:00] <tytan> looking at the current state of Windows 10
and macOS it feels like GNU/Linux is the last real option for the
desktop to me
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1848 [21:59:50] <tytan> Who ever thought it would be a good idea
to have a notification center in a desktopp os
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1851 [22:00:18] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: All things google go
through periodic visual design updates.
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1855 [22:01:49] <binaryhermit> some more frequently than others
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1866 [22:11:30] <n4dir> asking for help with debian ppc will
probably give the answer to go to the silent #debianppc channel? I
don't even understand what "debian ports" might be
...
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1869 [22:12:38] <annadane> i mean it also depends on the question
1870 [22:12:47] <annadane> possible someone does know and can
answer it
1871 [22:13:15] <Habbie> indeed - just ask your question and see
1872 [22:13:18] <sZbcE8qNfG> if i'm storing an SSL, where is
the best location store it?
1873 [22:13:20] <n4dir> yeah, that is what i was hoping for, but i
don't wanna spam the channel with off-topic before asking
1874 [22:13:53] <tytan> if it's similar to FreeBSD ports
it's just a different way to install and maintain software. You
pasicly got a software collection called ports tree and the you
compile your software from source "make clean install)
1875 [22:14:14] <tytan> I thinks it's necessary because there
are not as many prebuild packages for that architecture
1876 [22:14:18] <mason> A Debian "port" refers to an
architecture on which Debian runs.
1877 [22:14:25] <tytan> oh damn
1878 [22:14:29] <tytan> I missed by a lot then
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1880 [22:14:48] <n4dir> actual debian-old-stable is installed on
the iMac. I found a link which gave an iso to debian-sid for the
ppc. The major question is if i have to reinstall, or can upgrade
from, lol, jessie to sid.
1881 [22:15:20] <greycat> you would probably have more luck
upgrading to stretch first, *then* to unstable
1882 [22:15:35] <greycat> leapfrogging stretch could break some
things, maybe
1883 [22:15:40] <n4dir> well: and as i am not that familiar with
ppc or macs, i would prefer to stay on jessie if using sid is a road
to distaster on the ppc (on a PC i do know sid and can work around
it)
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1885 [22:15:57] <n4dir> greycat: thats just what i think, but i
don't think it is possible for the ppc
1886 [22:15:58] <m712> with both GPG 2.2.8 and 2.2.10, when I try
to decrypt a file I get the following error: "gpg: problem with
the agent: Permission denied"
1887 [22:16:10] <m712> any ideas?
1888 [22:16:24] <m712> searched around, this error doesn't
seem to have been answered
1889 [22:17:16] <n4dir> the information you find online is rather
sparse. Best i could find:
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1890 [22:17:21] <m712> i am not logged in as root, however i AM in
a chroot
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1897 [22:19:34] <brw> m712: being in a chroot jail is not the same
as being root
1898 [22:19:37] <brw> what are the permissions on the files?
1899 [22:19:40] <Trel> Is there any way to install mysql NOT
mariadb?
1900 [22:19:59] <greycat> You can always use the upstream mysql.
1901 [22:20:05] <greycat> Just ignore all the debian stuff
entirely.
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1903 [22:20:16] <m712> brw, i know.
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1905 [22:20:28] <m712> what permissions do you need?
1906 [22:20:37] <m712> i have m712:m712 644 on the encrypted file
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1908 [22:20:50] <brw> what about on the GPG decrypt?
1909 [22:20:50] <m712> outside the chroot it seems to work
1910 [22:20:53] <Trel> greycat: specifically from package
managagement I mean, sorry
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1916 [22:23:04] <greycat> Trel: in that case, I am pleased to be
able to offer you this definitive and well-researched answer: No.
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1919 [22:24:54] <bites> upstream has an apt repository. never used
it.
1920 [22:25:17] <Trel> Wonderfull. I'm just running into an
issue with trying to use it as a datasource, and the mysql provided
connectors no longer seem to work.
1921 [22:25:25] <Trel> and mariadb doesn't ship a .net one
1922 [22:26:17] <brw> m712: sounds like a perms issue with the
chroot jail.
1923 [22:26:35] <m712> brw, i will check it
1924 [22:26:36] <m712> thank you
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1926 [22:29:52] <Trel> Looks like I may need to do it manually
><
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1930 [22:30:47] <bites> Trel: what i said was directed at you.
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1934 [22:32:17] <jelly> m712: you'll want to sanitize your
env.vars in a chroot if you don't bind mount the relevant
socket paths
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1937 [22:33:53] <jelly> m712: see if "env |grep AGENT"
says anything, and whether it points to a path that exists outside
chroot but not inside
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1949 [22:41:28] <Trel> bites: ah sorry, didn't realize.
Upstream as in sid, or something else?
1950 [22:41:37] <greycat> !upstream
1951 [22:41:37] <dpkg> i heard upstream is where Debian developers
download software from.
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1952 [22:41:45] <bites> upsteam as in they who must not be named.
1953 [22:41:50] <greycat> upstream in this case would be
Oracle™
1954 [22:41:50] <bites> the evil o-word
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1956 [22:42:26] <annadane> one real a******* called larry ellison
1957 [22:42:34] <Trel> Oh, that's what I meant by manually
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1959 [22:42:55] <greycat> He's saying that they have a
repository of .deb file (*shudder*) that you might consider instead
of building the source tarballs.
1960 [22:43:11] <greycat> I don't know whether that's
true, or how safe they are, but I wouldn't touch ANY of it if I
had any choice.
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1962 [22:44:00] <ctcx> greycat: trying to make a systemd service
for a background-ed process, would be like "background-ing an
already background-ed process"?
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1966 [22:46:00] <greycat> if it self-backgrounds and you cannot
stop it from doing that, you must use Type=forking
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1968 [22:46:24] <jhutchins_wk> Trel: You might look into Percona.
It's goal is 100% backwards compatible + enhancements.
1969 [22:47:15] <ctcx> Ok, got it.
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1971 [22:47:29] <greycat> I thought the mariadb in stretch was
still supposed to be 100% compatible with some version of mysql.
1972 [22:48:18] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I believe it is, but they
are headed toward forking it. I'm not sure how far, and
I'm not sure that's 100% reliable info; things change.
1973 [22:48:47] <greycat> Which makes me think that whatever
problem Trel is having, switching away from mariadb isn't the
solution.
1974 [22:49:03] <greycat> But I don't use either of them in
any serious capacity.
1975 [22:49:52] <jhutchins_wk> Here's Percona's take on
it:
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1977 [22:51:23] <jhutchins_wk> (I'm not pushing Percona,
it's just the choice our DBAs made and I'm a little
familiar with it.)
1978 [22:51:56] <bites> they were asking for a .net thingy.
percona seems to have it.
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1984 [22:56:18] <greycat> I don't really understand what
"offering a .NET thing" would mean here. If you're
setting up the database server on Debian, then all the ".NET
things" would be on the clients, right? It's just a way
for the client application to talk over a socket to the database...?
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1990 [23:01:00] <Trel> greycat: I found ONE reference to my issue,
and it looks like it stems from mysql updating the .net connector in
a way that breaks compatabilty with mariadb
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1992 [23:01:07] <Trel> apparently using an older version works
1993 [23:01:17] <greycat> My initial reaction to hearing that is
"probably on purpose"/
1994 [23:01:29] <Trel> I don't disagree ><
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2004 [23:09:45] <Antoine__> Hello, I am using nginx 1.14 from the
backport. I'd like to move to the default repo, how can I do
that?
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2016 [23:19:32] <Antoine__> I guess I can just remove it then
remove the backports repo then reinstall it as long as the config is
compatible, which it should be as it hasn't changed for at
least a year.
2017 [23:19:37] <Antoine__> Right? :)
2018 [23:19:52] <n4dir> was my first thought do, but what do i
know.
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2022 [23:22:33] <usney> how do I adjust the screen in console?
2023 [23:22:40] <usney> it is too big
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2025 [23:23:05] <mason> usney: man setfont
2026 [23:24:17] <usney> how about if it doesn't show the
text?
2027 [23:24:31] <usney> it is an auto login
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2029 [23:24:42] <usney> and I can't see what I type out
2030 [23:24:44] <mason> I don't understand.
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2032 [23:24:48] <mason> Ah. ssh in maybe?
2033 [23:25:06] <usney> I could try that
2034 [23:25:09] <mason> If not that, maybe boot from rescue media
and experiment that way.
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2036 [23:25:31] <usney> it is a custom armbian based on debian
2037 [23:25:56] <usney> for flashing android to orange pi pc plus
2038 [23:26:03] <usney> I think it is unofficial
2039 [23:26:14] <usney> but supposedly by the armbian guys
2040 [23:26:15] <mason> Ya got me.
2041 [23:26:24] <mason> For that I'd find a mailing list.
2042 [23:26:44] <usney> well you helped me enough for what I
needed
2043 [23:26:50] <mason> Hopefully.
2044 [23:26:50] <Antoine__> n4dir: All right, it looks like it
worked :).
2045 [23:26:58] <usney> I know how to setup ssh mason
2046 [23:27:17] <usney> just have to find out the ip address
2047 [23:27:36] <mason> usney: Your DHCP server will have logs of
it.
2048 [23:27:40] <n4dir> i can offer you a search-term, usney:
something like "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (but there
is a different thing for dpkg-reconfigure too, i forgot the name).
Not sure if it helped me with font size (i think it didn't)
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2050 [23:29:34] <n4dir> "nmap -sP 198.168.178.0/24"
would work for my network usney, else 192.168.192.0/24, or whatever
you have
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2060 [23:41:39] <usney> I was just going to use the "ip
address" command n4dir mason
2061 [23:41:53] <usney> the screen is still readable just hard to
read
2062 [23:42:06] <usney> some of it is cut off though
2063 [23:42:08] <mason> ip a works too - less typing
2064 [23:42:15] <usney> hopefully the ip is intact
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2066 [23:42:21] <n4dir> did you try dpkg-reconfigure (i ain't
got that much hope, just an idea)
2067 [23:42:32] <usney> nope I will try
2068 [23:42:40] <usney> first I have to switch memory cards
2069 [23:43:03] <usney> going to make a suggestion to the orange
pi makers
2070 [23:43:13] <usney> maybe they will implement it or not
2071 [23:43:15] <n4dir> console-setup seems to be the one i had in
mind. The other one is console-data (whatever that might do)
2072 [23:43:30] <usney> but I have to remove the casing each time
to remove the card
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2076 [23:44:13] <usney> would be more convenient if it was spring
loaded where you just push on it again and it comes out.
2077 [23:46:38] <usney> I'll try n4dir
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2079 [23:47:26] <n4dir> looks like dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
; is just a different way to do "setfont" mason mentioned.
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2081 [23:48:16] <usney> what's a good 15 dollar keyboard you
guys recommend?
2082 [23:48:44] <usney> I got a verbatium but I don't like
that the delete key is the size of a letter or number key
2083 [23:49:03] <usney> verbatim
2084 [23:49:10] <usney> maybe logitech?
2085 [23:49:54] <n4dir> didn't read that: "The way to do
this on a systemd operating system is to edit the font settings in
the /etc/vconsole.conf file. These settings are applied by the
systemd-vconsole-setup service, " yada-yada, "debian and
such still support the old ways to do it"
2086 [23:50:42] <n4dir> here is the link, no need to copy new
stuff i hear of for the first time in my life:
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2087 [23:51:11] <usney> I don't think it is a font issue
2088 [23:51:17] <usney> I think it is a screen size
2089 [23:51:26] <usney> I am using a tv/computer monitor
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2091 [23:51:41] <Trel> I ended up just using mariadb and
downgrading the .net connector to the 6 series.
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2095 [23:54:11] <usney> n4dir can the read and write rate of an
microsd card degrade over time from repeated use?
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2097 [23:54:53] <n4dir> sorry, no clue.
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2102 [23:55:37] <n4dir> when i had problems with console fonts
(too small in my case), i also recall having tried something like
this:
replaced-url
2103 [23:55:53] <n4dir> it's too long ago, all that are vague
memories. don't take my word for it.
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2108 [23:59:45] <usney> wow thanks guys that worked n4dir and
mason
2109 [23:59:57] <usney> now how do I get the welcome screen back
again?
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