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6[00:01:39] <hypn0> looks like some programs may have their own internal "recently used" lists. LibreOffice Calc seems to be one of them ?
7[00:02:39] <hypn0> LibreOffice Calc - I don't have that installed, I only got 1
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12[00:04:25] <zzUL> hypn0: LibreOffice has a own internal list
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18[00:05:49] <zzUL> hypn0: i delete a recently-used.xbel and LibreOff... keep their own list.
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21[00:06:39] <zzUL> hypn0: the other recently-used.xbel are a backup files?
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29[00:11:14] <fasdfd> is there a way to rss subscribe updates to a given package in debian repos?
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33[00:16:36] <batfastad> Hi everyone. Is there a way to define a static IPv6 address on an interface but tell it to use the prefix advertised by RA? So in interface config I just define the subnet id and host part?
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48[00:26:50] <rypervenche> batfastad: It should happen automatically: replaced-url
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52[00:27:36] <rypervenche> batfastad: Oh sorry. YOu want a static address. You would want to use DHCPv6 if you want a specific address with your prefix. So that needs to be set in your dhcpv6 server.
53[00:27:59] <Dagger> batfastad: via `ip token`. not sure if there's any support for it in /e/n/in
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57[00:29:39] <rypervenche> batfastad: You can also get a temporary randomized host suffix if you're simply looking to not have your MAC address be in your IP.
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62[00:33:37] <batfastad> Thanks for the info. I'm looking at server addressing here, so would like them to be relatively permanent. I'm not bothered about MAC exposure or privacy so much.
63[00:34:27] <batfastad> I use SLAAC on guest/client networks and machines get 2+ addresses. EUI64 and a temporary used for outbound connections. That works well.
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67[00:35:14] <batfastad> But the thing that freaks me out is a change in prefix, in my home lab environment this would be a house move etc and a network renumber.
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69[00:36:32] <batfastad> Since my router is sending RAs with the prefix and subnet ID, it would be ideal if all I had to do was hard-code the host ID part in my interface config
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77[00:41:51] <batfastad> Dagger: Oh wow - ip token does what I need! Amazing, thanks!
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101[00:59:58] <rypervenche> knowledge +1 :)
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109[01:03:31] <tobiasBora> Hello,
110[01:03:51] <tobiasBora> I need to change the file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in order to find a good snd-hda-intel option
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113[01:04:07] <tobiasBora> However, rebooting after each change is really annoying, and because of that I can't do lot's of testing.
114[01:04:23] <tobiasBora> do you know how I could reload everything without rebooting?
115[01:04:30] <somiaj> use modprobe -r to remove the module, then load ita gain
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118[01:05:06] <dvs> tobiasBora, modprobe -r snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-hda-intel
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121[01:05:53] <tobiasBora> somiaj: dvs I always have errors like "modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use."
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124[01:06:25] <somiaj> then remove the modules that are using it, sometimes you ahve to remove them in a specific order or chunks
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132[01:10:51] <tobiasBora> somiaj: there is no way to unload all modules in one shot? I tried:
133[01:10:53] <tobiasBora> for m in $(sudo modprobe --show-depends snd-hda-intel | grep -o "[^/]*\.ko" | sed 's/\.ko//'); do echo "=== $m ==="; sudo modprobe -r "$m"; done
134[01:11:06] <tobiasBora> but the problem is that all the depends are in use
135[01:11:12] <tobiasBora> hum
136[01:11:16] <tobiasBora> maybe I don't want depends
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139[01:14:05] <tobiasBora> I tried sudo rmmod -f snd-hda-intel
140[01:14:16] <tobiasBora> no error, but is it supposed to do the job?
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142[01:15:14] <somiaj> use modprobe, it should only be a few modules you ahve to remove with the sound card
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144[01:15:27] <somiaj> once you figure it out, you can write a small script to do it
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148[01:16:29] <somiaj> what does lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel output at paste.debian.net
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152[01:18:45] <Thedarkb1-X40> I'm installing Debian on one of my machines but I need ralink firmware for my wifi card.
153[01:18:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> What do I download?
154[01:19:04] <somiaj> firmware-realtek package from non-free should have the firmware
155[01:19:42] <Thedarkb1-X40> I mean, the installer is asking for rt2870.bin from removable media.
156[01:19:54] <somiaj> I usually sugest just dealing with wifi after the isntall
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158[01:20:02] <Thedarkb1-X40> I'm doing a netinst.
159[01:20:05] <somiaj> ther eis aunoffical installer that contains the firmware
160[01:20:06] <Thedarkb1-X40> That's not really an option.
161[01:20:10] <Thedarkb1-X40> I
162[01:20:16] <somiaj> it is, the netinstall contains a fully functional base system that doesn't require the internet
163[01:20:19] <Thedarkb1-X40> I'm using that but it doesn't have this specific firmware.
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165[01:20:51] <somiaj> is the firmware newer than the installer has avaialble?
166[01:21:03] <Thedarkb1-X40> It's just not in the install image.
167[01:21:15] <Thedarkb1-X40> Do I just download the .bin and stick it on a flash drive?
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169[01:21:16] <somiaj> what image are you using? The realtek firmware should be on the unoffical image
170[01:21:21] <Thedarkb1-X40> Ralink
171[01:21:59] <tobiasBora> somiaj: replaced-url
172[01:22:02] <somiaj> oh sorry, ralink...hmm, anyways you can provide the firmware on a second usb driver as per the install guide
173[01:22:15] <Thedarkb1-X40> What format though, .deb or .bin?
174[01:22:34] <somiaj> I think both work, read teh install guide, it says what you need
175[01:23:27] <somiaj> hmm, wonder if it is pulseaudio or something using the card that is calling it in use, I don't see any other modules depending on that
176[01:23:41] <Thedarkb1-X40> Oh, I was trying to install Debian on this X40 and the installer won't load my wifi module
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179[01:24:05] <somiaj> tobiasBora: try killing pulse and other thigns that could be using the sound card.
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181[01:24:08] <Thedarkb1-X40> I tried lsmod | grep <mydriver> but nothing came up.
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183[01:24:26] <Thedarkb1-X40> tobiasBora, sudo alsa force-reload?
184[01:24:58] <somiaj> Thedarkb1-X40: I'm still surprised the ralink firmware isn't on the unoffical installer. But anyways, I would just install the base system, then copy the firmware over, get the wifi up, and finis the install
185[01:25:11] <Thedarkb1-X40> How do I finish the install?
186[01:25:19] <somiaj> just skip the network install part
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188[01:25:28] <Thedarkb1-X40> Can I go back to it?
189[01:26:03] <somiaj> I would just complete the isntall, then configure the wifi fromt he base system.
190[01:26:13] <somiaj> but in expert mode you can move forward/backward through the install process
191[01:26:22] <Thedarkb1-X40> I've had to do that before.
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201[01:36:42] <jelly> ,file rt2870.bin
202[01:36:47] <judd> Search for rt2870.bin in stretch/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/rt2870.bin
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206[01:40:19] <jelly> logs of unofficial netinst creation suggest that package should be present
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209[01:41:18] <tobiasBora> Thedarkb1-X40: alsa is not a valid command on my system
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211[01:42:59] <tobiasBora> somiaj: the thing is that pulseaudio autospawn and I'm not sure that I want to do that because anyway the rmmod command works great for the debugging I'm doing.
212[01:43:11] <tobiasBora> So now I managed to found a "good" profile
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214[01:43:23] <tobiasBora> but there is a very strange bug
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218[01:44:00] <tobiasBora> When I have nothing in the options, the intern micro does work, but not the headphones
219[01:44:23] <tobiasBora> When I have dell-headset-multi, the head phones works, and the intern micro also works... except when I unplug the head phones!
220[01:44:38] <tobiasBora> Any idea why, and how I could "mix" these two profiles?
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228[01:50:56] <gabriel_> I'running Debian in an old MacBook Pro, everything works fine, except for the bluetooth, that never find other devices. How do I know if the correct module is loaded, for example? I don't have a clue. "lsusb" shows 05ac:821a.
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245[02:02:44] <cluelessperson> tobiasBora: you're probably using pulseaudio, do you know?
246[02:02:48] <cluelessperson> not sure if I can help you
247[02:02:51] <tobiasBora> cluelessperson: yes
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250[02:03:13] <cluelessperson> tobiasBora: pretty sure pulseaudio and alsa are competeing software
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253[02:03:51] <tobiasBora> but when it has to do with "pin configuration", isn't it supposed to be independent of pulseaudio/alsa?
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258[02:05:26] <cluelessperson> I'm not certain
259[02:05:31] <cluelessperson> i came in late
260[02:05:33] <cluelessperson> probably ignore me
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263[02:07:14] <tobiasBora> well if you have some advices I can give it a try. The problem is that I found a mode (deall-headset-multi) where basically everything works well when the headphone are pluged (I can choosed both external mic and internal mic), but when I unplug my headphone, nothing work anymore.
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282[02:21:13] <Mchammerdad> Hey guys, I have did the "easy" install method when I installed. So most of my diskspace in under /home. I already shunk that down (from 200gb to 50gb) and then did lvreduce to shrink the LVM partition. I want to create a new partition from the saved space so I can put it in a seperate VirtualGroup (for more storage.) How do I ennsure the 50G I have my /home resized to is the first 50G on the physical volume (or how would I best go about
283[02:21:13] <Mchammerdad> accomplishing my goal).
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285[02:23:02] <protectionfault> Hey Mchammerdad I'm not sure what your question is about. What is your goal tonight and how can we help?
286[02:23:58] <protectionfault> Mchammerdad: are you installing a new ubuntu desktop and you're stuck during the partitioning section of the installer?
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288[02:25:17] <protectionfault> Why did you shrink your /home
289[02:25:58] <Mchammerdad> protectionfault, I'm trying to create a new LVM group on an existing install (fresh install). When creating the install I put 200G (1 full disk) on my /var,/home,/,and swap partitions. Then I used my 2nd disk 200GB for storage. However I need more storage and am looking for a way to take 100GB from my first disk and use it with my 2nd disk for a larger Logical Volume for my storage. (Its used to store video recordings (unifi setup)).
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291[02:26:36] <Mchammerdad> I would like to get 300GB mounted on a /video folder for my cameras, to consist of 200GB from disk 2 and 100GB from disk 1.
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293[02:26:53] <protectionfault> Mchammerdad: parsing error #1: existing install (fresh install) which is it?
294[02:27:37] <protectionfault> can you do "lsblk"
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296[02:28:35] <Mchammerdad> protectionfault, I think both can be true. (its a 2 day old install, but I am past the installation process.)
297[02:29:01] <protectionfault> I would install without a home folder and use the entire 200GB as a video disk
298[02:29:39] <protectionfault> so / contains also your home folder, which is actually almost always better in terms of space efficiency
299[02:29:55] <Mchammerdad> replaced-url
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301[02:30:30] <Mchammerdad> I'd like the salvage the install if possible by shrinking/redistributing the existing space. (as much for a learning experience as a objective I need to accomplish).
302[02:31:00] <protectionfault> That is advanced kungfu and you need a better master than me for questions about it.
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304[02:31:26] <fasdfd> is there a way to rss subscribe updates to a given package in debian repos?
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307[02:32:01] <protectionfault> I think you will learn a lot, but it will take a week.
308[02:32:06] <bites> with virtualgroup you mean lvm volume group?
309[02:32:16] <Mchammerdad> bies, yes
310[02:32:37] <bites> why don't you add both disks to the same volume group and create the logical volumes the size you need?
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312[02:33:03] <protectionfault> bites: because his first disk also has to contain root and home
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315[02:33:23] <bites> protectionfault: i noticed. what's your point?
316[02:33:25] <protectionfault> bites: if I understand :)
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318[02:33:39] <Mchammerdad> I'll have to wipe my data and startover to do it that way would I not?
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320[02:33:56] <protectionfault> bites: I'll leave it to you, apologies.
321[02:33:56] <bites> add the second disk to that vg and create the additional lv in that vg.
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323[02:34:37] <Mchammerdad> I can do that without wiping everything thats currently in my /video mount? (per the pastbin output)
324[02:34:37] <bites> no, you can leave the existing lv the way they are right now. you add a disk to the vg and have the extra space to add another lv.
325[02:34:44] <protectionfault> Mchammerdad: you will lose the unifi storage
326[02:35:47] <protectionfault> My understanding, that you want to maintain the data in there and expand that lv onto the "wasted" space of you sda5 is not easy..
327[02:35:52] <bites> oh, in your video mount, yeah, that would be a problem.
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330[02:36:45] <Mchammerdad> My idea, which I'm not sure is doable.
331[02:36:49] <protectionfault> it's cool, we learn by picking challenges, but this one will get to you.. :)
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333[02:37:03] <Mchammerdad> I read you can add partitions to VG's not just entire disks
334[02:37:09] <bites> you could merge the two VGs.
335[02:37:30] <Mchammerdad> so if I shrink my sda5 partition and create a sd6 partition, with the "newly freed space" could I add that to my 2nd VG?
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337[02:38:10] <Mchammerdad> bites, I never read anything about merging VG's how is that accomplished?
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343[02:41:56] <bites> with the vgmerge command ^^ i think you have to deactivate the second vg first.
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345[02:43:01] <gabriel_> Ok, I've found the modules bluetooth and btusb are loaded. Is there anything else I can do to understand why the bluetooth doesn't find any device, when it scans?
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348[02:47:00] <protectionfault> gabriel: through the gnome tool? might need extra package for that, iirc
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369[02:57:31] <Mchammerdad> Ok, for those who were following me earlier I accomplish what I wanted with just a little bit of pain. I followed these steps:
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371[02:58:11] <Mchammerdad> 1. I had to inactivate my Logical Volume on my VG (I had to take down my service to do this and unmount the disk first).
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373[02:58:19] <Mchammerdad> 2. I then merged the Virtual disks
374[02:58:37] <Mchammerdad> 3. I then extended my merged LV with the freespace I had available.
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376[02:58:50] <Mchammerdad> 4. Was about 5 minutes of downtime but I didn't get any data loss so yea!
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379[02:59:11] <protectionfault> Mchammerdad: I stand corrected
380[02:59:15] <edgar1> which textfiles let you edit keyboard mapping in Debian Stretch?
381[02:59:20] <protectionfault> Mchammerdad: nice work
382[02:59:34] <edgar1> i want to edit the keyboard mapping in the jp keyboard map
383[02:59:40] <edgar1> not sure which one but i do so there
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385[03:00:20] <protectionfault> edgar1: there are four scripts that you can run
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388[03:00:41] <edgar1> ok, cool but i am more interested in the configs atm
389[03:00:52] <edgar1> but the scripts will be usseful for future reference
390[03:01:11] <protectionfault> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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392[03:02:25] <protectionfault> edgar1: sorry, i meant dpkg with scripts, but technically they are more like a toolkit
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396[03:05:04] <protectionfault> edgar1: when you find the text file, it will mention you shouldn't edit them directly but instead use dpkg-reconfigure
397[03:05:44] <protectionfault> edgar1: what are you trying?
398[03:05:51] <topsoil> .
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416[03:29:25] <lukalafaye> someone here?
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418[03:29:39] <lukalafaye> I need help with sound problems
419[03:29:58] <lukalafaye> @debhelper
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425[03:32:19] <edgar1> So, when I want to add a thing on the boot thing for the kernel what do i edit?
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427[03:32:37] <edgar1> like enabling or disabling xxx.ntp=[binaryvalue]
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433[03:34:18] <Darkclaw> hi, I am having issues installing debian into a VMWare
434[03:34:37] <Darkclaw> It says installation step failed. the failing step: select and install software
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442[03:42:24] <cluelessperson> Darkclaw: did everything else look normal up to that?
443[03:42:31] <Darkclaw> yes 100%
444[03:42:36] <cluelessperson> Darkclaw: can you verify the disk? (advanced option at beginning menu)
445[03:42:41] <Darkclaw> the only thing I am thinkign is the reason is the space I didn't give it enough. 8GB?
446[03:42:56] <cluelessperson> Darkclaw: 8GB if plenty, that's the default spec I use for all my machines
447[03:43:05] <Darkclaw> oh okay.. well I don't know what else to try
448[03:43:11] <cluelessperson> 8GB, 1cpu2core, 2048MBram
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450[03:43:15] <themill> Darkclaw: what are you actually selecting at that step and what was the failure message
451[03:43:19] <Darkclaw> it's VMWare and I am using this debian-9.4.0-i386-netinst
452[03:43:21] <Darkclaw> .iso
453[03:43:32] <themill> Are you sure you want i386?
454[03:43:43] <Darkclaw> I tried amd64 version and still same error
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457[03:46:29] <Darkclaw> it gives the impression that it's installing perfectly but then it gives that error and anything I do after that still gives that error
458[03:46:58] <themill> there's no need to select anything at that stage btw
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460[03:47:21] <Darkclaw> it's saying the recommended size is 20GB. maybe 8gb is not enough
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466[03:50:36] <Darkclaw> it's saying installing base system. no issues yet
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471[03:52:16] <Darkclaw> now it's configuring apt
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473[03:53:08] <Darkclaw> here is the part where it fails. select and install software
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476[03:54:25] <Darkclaw> im at the screen where it asks for me to select software. just debian desktop environment and standard system utilies right?
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478[03:55:15] <kazdax> how do i play netflix on debian KDE with firefox
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480[03:55:57] <Antares> PayPal hackdynamics@mail.ru - дайте пожалуйста кто сколько может, на совт нехватает :(
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484[03:58:35] <Darkclaw> it didn't give an error. it must have been a space issue
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500[04:13:22] <Darkclaw> how do I transfer files from windows to debian vmware?
501[04:13:35] <Darkclaw> I read that I can use winscp but I am not having success connecting to it
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503[04:14:31] <Logg> you can use a vmware shared folder. or use a samba share. or burn an iso with the files you need to transfer and mount that as a disk. or upload your files to the internet and download them on guest vm
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505[04:14:54] <Darkclaw> I did share the Desktop but im not sure how to access it within debian
506[04:15:16] <Logg> good question to put in a search engine.
507[04:15:35] <Darkclaw> well, I did... it said something about using mount but I didn't have success that way
508[04:16:23] <Darkclaw> probably easiest way is to enable sshd
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511[04:18:48] <Logg> I agree with that, as long as the guest and host are on the same network. If you have NAT enabled to give network access to the guest, they're on different networks, and traffic would have to be routed between them.
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513[04:19:35] <Darkclaw> how do I connect to it? is it localhost?
514[04:20:00] <Logg> do "ip a" in debian to get its ip address.
515[04:20:30] <Logg> compare that with ip address in windows.
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517[04:21:11] <Darkclaw> im in, thanks!
518[04:21:17] <Darkclaw> now the fun can begin
519[04:21:20] <Logg> :ok_hand:
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535[04:35:09] <Darkclaw> here's where i'm at. I have a filed I encrypted using openssl. I was able to decrypt it but I am unable to uncompress it. it is in .tar.gz format
536[04:35:23] <Darkclaw> the challenge is that I used freebsd to create the tar. using gtar
537[04:35:52] <Darkclaw> it says gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
538[04:36:10] <Darkclaw> it's not true though
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543[04:39:06] <Darkclaw> im thinking openssl didn't propertly decrypt the file
544[04:39:54] <Unit193> What's `file` tell you it is?
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549[04:45:28] <Darkclaw> using openssl it says bad decrypt
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554[04:51:46] <argusbr> how to solve problem ? replaced-url
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556[04:55:14] <themill> argusbr: Can you help us understand what you're trying to achieve in compiling an 8 year old version of libssh in /var/replaced-url
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562[04:57:47] <argusbr> themill yes i need use
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568[05:02:14] <JordiGH> What are the password complexity criteria that passwd(1) enforces?
569[05:02:28] <JordiGH> I take it pam_unix(8) is supposed to have the details?
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571[05:02:48] <JordiGH> For example, passwd(1) thinks that 123456 is too simple of a password and that "lol" is too short and rejects both of those passwords.
572[05:03:05] <JordiGH> But it accepts hunter2
573[05:03:24] <JordiGH> What's the rule it follows?
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575[05:04:12] <Logg> JordiGH, the rules it follows are at the top of `man passwd`
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578[05:05:03] <themill> libpam-cracklib and libpam-pwquality may also be involved
579[05:05:04] <JordiGH> lollerskates is acceptable.
580[05:05:15] <JordiGH> Logg: I don't see any rules at the top of passwd(1).
581[05:06:20] <Logg> JordiGH, my mistake. Missed the word "should".
582[05:06:47] <JordiGH> Looks like "capybara" is a valid password, so it's not like it's checking for dictionary words.
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585[05:07:08] <Logg> or its dictionary doesn't have that animal in it.
586[05:07:53] <JordiGH> Huh, you're right, /usr/share/dict/words doesn't have capybara.
587[05:07:58] <JordiGH> Let's try elephant.
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590[05:08:17] <JordiGH> elephant is fine.
591[05:08:30] <JordiGH> $ grep elephant /usr/share/dict/words | wc -l
592[05:08:30] <JordiGH> 4
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596[05:09:32] <themill> JordiGH: did you actually look at pam_unix?
597[05:10:19] <JordiGH> I did, tl;dr
598[05:10:27] <JordiGH> Didn't see anything about dictionaries in there.
599[05:10:33] <themill> it's also too long for my to type in here.
600[05:11:05] <JordiGH> I don't see anything about enabling dictionary checks in there, just talks about some module called obscure that does non-dictionary checks.
601[05:12:08] <themill> who said there is a dictionary check?
602[05:12:19] <JordiGH> Well, let's say I want to instate one.
603[05:12:29] <JordiGH> there isn't one now.
604[05:12:46] <JordiGH> Seems weird, actually, to check for length but not check for dictionary words.
605[05:12:53] <themill> So your actual question is "how do I add a dictionary check to changing the passwd"?
606[05:13:18] <JordiGH> No, my actual question is how does passwd do it? I hope that by answering that question I'll know how to make it do what I want.
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608[05:13:31] <themill> well pam_unix answers that
609[05:13:40] <JordiGH> It says two options. Is that all there is?
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611[05:13:45] <JordiGH> Just length and the obscure module?
612[05:13:49] <themill> *sigh*
613[05:13:55] <JordiGH> I don't have more options than those?
614[05:14:15] <themill> If your question is "how do I add a dictionary check" then try libpam-cracklib and libpam-pwquality... and I said 10 min ago
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617[05:14:36] <themill> but that's not your question, so you can keep trying random things with passwd to see what doesn't work
618[05:15:12] <JordiGH> I mean what I say.
619[05:15:26] <JordiGH> I mean I want to know how it works.
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621[05:15:42] <JordiGH> I don't actually want to change anything, btw.
622[05:15:49] <JordiGH> I just want to know, if I wanted to change it, how would I do it?
623[05:15:57] <JordiGH> I'm trying to learn, not trying to make my computer do anything else.
624[05:16:16] <JordiGH> So how do you make passwd use other pam mdules?
625[05:16:28] <JordiGH> How do I know which modules it's currently using?
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627[05:17:55] <JordiGH> Also, you weren't very assertive. You seemed unsure if libpam-cracklib was involved or not. I didn't realise you meant that it could be optionally enabled. It sounded like you didn't know if it was relevant at all.
628[05:18:08] <JordiGH> Or that's what it sounded like to me.
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631[05:20:14] <themill> It's so much easier when we don't have to guess the question as well as figure out the answer ;(
632[05:20:41] <JordiGH> Answer exactly what I ask please, without guessing my intention.
633[05:20:45] <JordiGH> Assume I'm a dumb automaton.
634[05:20:49] <JordiGH> With no ulterior intentions.
635[05:20:57] <JordiGH> If I have further intentions, I will make them known.
636[05:21:09] <themill> See pam_unix. There you go.
637[05:21:31] <JordiGH> pam_unix doesn't explain which config file to edit.
638[05:21:37] <themill> to do what?
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640[05:22:49] <JordiGH> To change the checks that passwd does on password complexity.
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642[05:23:26] <JordiGH> Maybe I need to read pam(7) first.
643[05:23:27] <themill> all the pam config is in /etc/pam.d
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645[05:24:41] <JordiGH> pam_unix mentions minlen, but grep finds no mention of minlen in /etc/pam.d, and passwd rejects short passwords.
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647[05:25:36] <JordiGH> Is there some default?
648[05:25:47] <themill> and pam_unix even says that default in the very next sentence
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650[05:26:23] <themill> «minlen=n Set a minimum password length of n characters. The default value is 6.» I prefer automatons who read documentation, tbh.
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652[05:28:08] <JordiGH> Well, a dumb one.
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659[05:37:04] <JordiGH> themill: Okay, thanks, I figured out a bit how PAM works. Phew, this is complicated!
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663[05:41:13] <ryouma> i am confused about /dev/disk/by-uuid. if i just created partitions on a new drive, there is nothing there for that drive. is the uuid referring to a filesystem instance?
664[05:42:08] <dvs> ryouma, yes, I think it refers to a formatted partition
665[05:42:21] <ryouma> dvs: in which case, when it /is/ formatted with an fs, why is it a symlink to the /raw/ partition and not the device mapper partition?
666[05:42:46] <dvs> hmm... not sure
667[05:43:05] <ryouma> i like people who say they aren't sure when they aren't sure
668[05:43:42] <dvs> I'm not sure I like that answer. ;-)
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670[05:44:25] <ryouma> it's much better than making stuff up!
671[05:44:46] <ryouma> doctors do that, for example
672[05:45:13] <ryouma> but i am still confused about /dev/disk/by-uuid
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784[07:18:06] <jair> hello all. If I install debian in a machine without a physical monitor, I would like to have for example [greeter log session, perhaps lightdm, xfce, gnome, budgie] what packages are required for this to work properly?
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786[07:19:00] <jair> I am currently installing the OS but then I am using nomachine to connect to the window manager in this case xfce4 however I don't get the login screen with the user...
787[07:19:13] <jair> I just go straight to the xfce4 session
788[07:19:53] <jair> I can log in with no session and after I am logged I can run "budgie-desktop" but it is not really convenient.
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799[07:30:22] <bblough> jair if you want to use lightdm, then you should be able to install a greeter for it. For example, lightdm-gtk-greeter
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810[07:39:59] <mephistolist> Question if anyone has time. I found the kFreeBSD (Debian Userland, BSD Kernel) has been discontinued. I see there are still repos for the BSD kernel in Debian sid. Most of the isos of kFreeBSD left to download are still on Wheezy or Lenny. Wondering if I can change the repos to sid and get by. If the project is dead, I'm guessing even sid won't keep it for long. Or if there's a way to like that kernel any regular Debian install?
811[07:42:15] <bblough> Do you have a link for where it said it's discontinued? I was under the impression it was still being developed
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815[07:44:41] <mephistolist> replaced-url
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817[07:45:05] <mephistolist> Says its discontinued on that wiki and a few other sites.
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821[07:47:45] <bblough> To be fair, wikipedia also says "citation needed" for that bit. According to the roadmap - replaced-url
822[07:48:10] <bblough> There's also info on the jessie version here - replaced-url
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824[07:49:17] <bblough> All I can really say for sure is that the kfreebsd systems still show up in the arch list for the buildd servers, so packages are still getting built for it AFAIK
825[07:51:05] <bblough> You might try the #debian-kbsd on OFTC
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828[07:54:31] <jelly> !kfreebsd
829[07:54:31] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
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834[07:58:04] <mephistolist> Wow dpkg, I had used it in the past and thought it did use debian itself for packages. Good to know.
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839[07:59:51] <jelly> dpkg, kfreebsd =~ s/for Debian 8/since Debian 8/
840[07:59:52] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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842[08:02:50] <mephistolist> Well, it seems they at least went on and did squeeze. replaced-url
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869[08:25:31] <jj__> offline indic transliteration linux
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875[08:29:49] <jj__> offline indic transliteration linux ?
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882[08:32:36] <no_gravity> Good Morning! How can I exchange the # key with backspace?
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885[08:34:19] <space_race> jelly, So whats the difference between using the kfreebsd kernel and the normal debian 64bit kernel?
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887[08:35:45] <shtrb|laptop> ,v linux-image
888[08:35:46] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
889[08:35:54] <shtrb|laptop> ,v kernel
890[08:35:55] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
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900[08:46:19] <saltlake> replaced-url
901[08:46:23] <saltlake> will this work on debian?
902[08:46:41] <shtrb|laptop> !ubuntu
903[08:46:41] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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907[08:48:38] <shtrb|laptop> but you do have slack in slapy so you could install it
908[08:48:46] <nkuttler> saltlake: um, slack runs fine in a browser..
909[08:48:56] <nkuttler> why would you need an app on a desktop..
910[08:49:07] <nkuttler> (and slack sucks btw, but whatever)
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920[08:56:55] <saltlake> Why does slack suck?
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924[08:58:23] <space_race> saltlake, I think a lot of linux users hate stuff that are proprietary
925[08:59:14] <mephistolist> saltlake. Because its gui. End of story.
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927[08:59:23] <shtrb|laptop> it have issues other than closed source
928[08:59:48] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, proprietary != (non free )
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930[09:00:26] <saltlake> How can I join #debian from slack? Is it possible?
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934[09:00:43] <testuser> Hi. Can anyone help me open the channel's guidelines I'm new so don't know how. Thanks
935[09:01:21] <space_race> shtrb|laptop, are there any free but proprietary software?
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937[09:01:39] <shtrb|laptop> saltlake, the amount of notification spam is too much, it's not delivered via normal package system (less convinient ) it can be sent via snappy but that not good enough for the average user
938[09:01:45] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, yes
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941[09:02:59] <shtrb|laptop> proprietary is / can be defined as any software that a legal entity has the power to restrict it's use (patents/right/legalization/NDA etc)
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944[09:03:41] <nkuttler> saltlake: you need a different login for every team..
945[09:03:46] <space_race> shtrb|laptop, is rhel an example?
946[09:03:48] <nkuttler> and, all of the above
947[09:04:30] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, I don't know about rhel because they allow to use their code (copyrighted code is allowed to use )
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950[09:05:30] <space_race> But i heard their OS iso need to be paid no?
951[09:05:56] <shtrb|laptop> that is irrelvent , you are allowed to demand payment for Free/Open source
952[09:06:35] <space_race> hmm I still do quite get it, do you have some examples?
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954[09:07:40] <space_race> like how is it free but the legal entity can stop you from using it at the same time
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959[09:09:01] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, If you are forbiden to export for example (the debian US archive issue something like a decade ago)
960[09:09:59] <shtrb|laptop> That was free software (DFGS) but a legal entity can stop you (and probably put you in jail ) at some time in the past
961[09:11:35] <space_race> So a legal entity that is not the entity that created the software?
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963[09:12:28] <shtrb|laptop> I should have said proprietary is not synonymous with (not open and non free) to be more clear :)
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968[09:18:25] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, and a different example Google's chrome was proprietary code and it's source code was partly (mostly?) released
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971[09:21:03] <space_race> shtrb|laptop, but chrome is not free right? I heard it sends information about you back to google no?
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974[09:21:59] <shtrb|laptop> That's not the issue (free is not synonymous with something the respect your privacy) , take FF for example it's free but also leak information
975[09:22:06] <agio> hi, I created a netinstaller USB using the dd command. now when I look at the disk in gparted, gparted issues error:
976[09:22:08] <agio> "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
977[09:22:50] <shtrb|laptop> agio, ow did you create the usb image ?
978[09:23:37] <agio> shtrb|laptop: using `dd'. is this because I gave "dd" a blocksize that was different to the ISO's internal blocksize?
979[09:23:37] <space_race> shtrb|laptop, ah you mean free as in no cost yes?
980[09:24:16] <shtrb|laptop> agio, that is possible
981[09:24:41] <shtrb|laptop> space_race, free as in free tea (need to be PC these days)
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983[09:25:07] <agio> how do I find out the correct blocksize to issue to `dd'?
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986[09:25:42] <cef> agio: what block size did you give it? If it's saying it should be 2048, you should just be able to use that tho.
987[09:25:45] <themill> the block size for dd is irrelevant
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990[09:26:13] <themill> (one of the reasons it's better to use cp rather than dd for this)
991[09:26:18] <cef> agio: which netinstaller image did you use?
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993[09:26:26] <shtrb|laptop> agio, did you remember to run sync after the dd ?
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995[09:26:50] <agio> themill: what does cp do that dd doesn't?
996[09:26:51] <shtrb|laptop> agio, you could also use cp file.iso /dev/blablabla
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998[09:27:18] <themill> agio: sets the block size automatically without silly command line arguments
999[09:27:37] <agio> cef: the non-free firmware one
1000[09:27:48] <agio> shtrb|laptop: yeah I prob ran sync
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1003[09:28:50] <agio> themill: so with dd I have to manually lookup the blocksize and specify the correct one - but cp I dont need to bother?
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1007[09:30:02] <themill> no, as I said, the block size for dd is irrelevant (beyond how long it takes to copy)
1008[09:30:28] <themill> !check iso image
1009[09:30:28] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
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1015[09:31:00] <themill> tbh I'm not that surprised that an iso-hybrid image generates warnings from parted
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1018[09:32:14] <agio> themill: oh, so the logical block size - of an ISO image (which is different to a regular file) is really hard coded into the ISO?
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1021[09:33:06] <agio> so normally specifying a block size to dd does make a difference, but in the case of dd'ing an ISO - it makes no difference?
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1025[09:34:00] <dax> what dd is calling "blocksize" and what gparted is calling "blocksize" are two entirely different things
1026[09:34:09] <dax> it is also normal for gparted to give that warning
1027[09:34:16] <themill> agio: blocksize in dd means nothing for all of these operations
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1029[09:35:07] <cef> dd uses blocksize option to do X bytes at a time. the only thing it improves is how fast something might take to copy if the number of bytes dd copies is aligned to some buffer in the device. it's not that important anymore (was very important with tape and the like)
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1031[09:35:45] <agio> so gparted's definition of "blocksize" is the actual logical blocks exposed by the harddisk controller? i.e. after LBA does the translation from the physical disk blocks?
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1039[09:37:17] <cef> still sort of important if you're managing small memory devices and/or very amounts of data on very large devices. eg: block copying a raw 6TB disk. Tho you're usually just better specifying a huge block size that's actually a multiple of the device blocksize.
1040[09:37:19] <agio> cef: oh really?! thats like the kernels buffer size before it writes out - oh yeah - thats totally different to harddisk blocks
1041[09:38:08] <agio> dax: so I should just ignore that warning?
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1043[09:39:02] <cef> agio: yeah.. makes more sense with streaming devices like tape, where if you part-write to them, they hang around waiting for the next block, so best to throw a whole block of data at them in one hit.
1044[09:40:27] <cef> even then, newer (like since 2000+) tape devices aren't that bugged about it either.
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1047[09:42:40] <agio> so the take away when using `dd' to copy stuff to USB - although I sense the consensus here is __not__ to use dd? - would be either to not specify one (if thats possible) or to give some throwaway value of "bs=2M" and just forget about it?
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1049[09:43:15] <agio> not to specify a block size I mean
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1051[09:44:05] <shtrb|laptop> on a related subject should I be able to resize a fat32 more than 32 GB limit (mmc card)
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1054[09:45:40] <shtrb|laptop> And for a camera to be able to use it ?
1055[09:45:45] <bug> i thought fat32 was 4gb limit?
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1058[09:47:42] <shtrb|laptop> I think the 4GB is file size (I ask about the parttion)
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1062[09:49:04] <bug> oh, right. sorry.
1063[09:49:54] <shtrb|laptop> np
1064[09:50:05] <agio> also, This USB installer has a weird partition layout. the start and end sectors for /dev/sdb2 are "buried inside" the start and end sectors of /dev/sdb2:
1065[09:50:07] <agio> replaced-url
1066[09:50:15] <agio> is that normal?
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1069[09:52:13] <agio> I thought partitions had to be sequential in the sectors? i.e. partition one claims sectors 0 to 750, then partition 2 claims 751 to N, etc...?
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1075[09:56:53] <shtrb|laptop> !parttion-manager
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1077[09:57:13] <shtrb|laptop> anyone remember what package gives kde-parttion-manager ?
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1079[10:00:34] <themill> agio: as we've already said, these are a funny file system layout. Does this installer image not work? (or are you just poking around in the hope of finding a problem?)
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1083[10:02:16] <agio> themill: what I'd like to do is to create an installer with extra packages on the same USB as the netinstaller, but I'd like to get the basic installer right before I try something more advanced like that
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1086[10:04:02] <shtrb|laptop> muhahah it works ! a 32 GB camera can read FAT32 formated with 64 GB
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1089[10:04:22] <themill> ,i debian-cd
1090[10:04:23] <judd> Package debian-cd (admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: Tools for building (Official) Debian CD set. Version: 3.1.20; Size: 1045.0k; Installed: 4514k
1091[10:04:27] <shtrb|laptop> windows will not be able to access it, but who needs windows anyway :D
1092[10:04:32] <themill> agio: ^^ you want those tools
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1096[10:05:08] <agio> shtrb|laptop: is this the package you were looking for?
1097[10:05:10] <agio> replaced-url
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1100[10:05:37] <shtrb|laptop> I think yes
1101[10:05:40] <shtrb|laptop> thanks , sorry
1102[10:08:10] <agio> themill: thanks, I've installed 'debian-cd' tools now...
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1105[10:10:05] <agio> looking at /usr/share/debian-cd/readme. looks like you need to compile stuff from sources?
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1107[10:10:39] <agio> or just use `make' to put stuff together for you
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1116[10:16:36] <agio> what I'd like to be able to do is this:
1117[10:16:38] <agio> replaced-url
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1121[10:18:21] <Claudio> Hello ^^
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1123[10:19:06] <agio> hi
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1126[10:20:14] <Claudio> agio, i need to use java applet - do you know how i can active it in Firefox or Google Chrome ?
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1128[10:20:54] <agio> isnt that a plugin? and you need JRE - java runtime environment dont you?
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1134[10:23:30] <agio> I have to go get some food. good luck Claudio
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1142[10:28:42] <themill> Claudio: you need the icedtea-plugin package
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1145[10:30:08] <rfs> hey, I've installed Firefox quantum manually on my Stretch but when I add it to the dock I can't open it. I have to go to Applications > Browser > Firefox. How do I fix this?
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1147[10:33:55] <mephistolist> Not sure what dock you are using, but if quantum has a different path you'll probably need to set if for that icon in the dock.
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1150[10:35:33] <rfs> im using the normal dock on the left with that extension to make it permanent
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1152[10:35:38] <rfs> on gnome
1153[10:36:12] <rfs> how do i edit the path of the icon in the dock?
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1217[11:32:33] <shtrb|laptop> agio , sorry had a network-manager issue
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1240[11:58:40] <agio> shtrb|laptop: why are you apologising?
1241[11:59:01] <shtrb|laptop> I vanished for a long period of time (mid talk)
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1247[12:01:26] <agio> shtrb|laptop: ah no prob - I went away too :)
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1252[12:02:33] <agio> I was planing on doing a manually crafted USB installer following these intructions:
1253[12:02:35] <agio> replaced-url
1254[12:03:03] <agio> but it seems too technically difficult - interesting though
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1266[12:11:23] <shtrb|laptop> any e1000e wiz arounds ?
1267[12:11:57] <babilen> Just set jumbo frames, and you'll be fine
1268[12:11:58] <shtrb|laptop> *anyone who know how to handle e1000e with stretch or buster around ?
1269[12:12:19] <babilen> Anything in particular you need help with?
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1271[12:13:11] <shtrb|laptop> I'm having the craziest issue, if I reboot it does not seem to work (interface is up, the lights are on but it fail to get dhcp) but If I do a full shutdown it will work
1272[12:13:59] <babilen> And you can't reproduce that with other cards?
1273[12:14:13] <shtrb|laptop> this issue existed in the past (can't find the bug report but i think it was greycat who gave a workaround for jessie )
1274[12:14:25] <shtrb|laptop> babilen, I have only one e1000e card (build in )
1275[12:14:45] <babilen> Well, I'd say the best course of action would be to find that workaround and/or bug report
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1354[13:07:11] <mvaenska1> cheers -- pondering on "upgrading" to buster but i was curious on the availability of existing packages (i.e. will i have a good guarantee that current packages will keep on existing?) as i am quite tired of having to fight tensorflow, cuda and the linux kernel with nvidia...
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1471[14:19:46] <Bushmaster> hi
1472[14:19:48] <Bushmaster> i have issue installing google earth in debian 32 bit jessie
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1475[14:20:05] <Bushmaster> can anyone help please
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1500[14:30:52] <noodlepie> There isn't a day go by in which I don't praise the ground the screen programmers walk on. I just fix netsed scrollback. Wonderful sh*t
1501[14:31:04] <ewt4323> hi, i am having trouble using obexftp to transfer a file to my cellphone. the phone appears in output of "hcitool scan", but when i try to list the files with "obexftp -b xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx -l /" the phone display asks for a pairing. but i never set a pin on my debian machine.
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1506[14:34:36] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, I know that is not what you asked , but check marble-qt (which can access google api )
1507[14:35:13] <shtrb|laptop> ewt4323, fire up pairing in both sides and set as trusted to workaround that
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1509[14:36:59] <ewt4323> shtrb|laptop: but if a try to pair it asks for a pin. how do i know this pin?
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1513[14:38:30] <shtrb|laptop> ewt4323, you should be poped up with a message pin XXX (depending on the UI) and the app you use to pair
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1515[14:39:52] <ewt4323> shtrb|laptop: ah, i got it wrong. i thought prompting for the pin in bluetoothctl was _asking_ the pin. but it is _setting_ the pin.
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1522[14:42:43] <shtrb|laptop> cool
1523[14:43:06] <shtrb|laptop> if you are using bluetoothctl you might like to check the option to have a trust
1524[14:43:21] <ewt4323> ewt4323: okay, the devices are paring and obexftp upload works. thanks!
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1527[14:43:57] <shtrb|laptop> Just remember to have your phone unlocked during usage (because android is crazy) , and that service per channel number may change between reboots (which brakes DUN in network-manager)
1528[14:44:31] <Bushmaster> all messed up shtrb|laptop
1529[14:45:04] <shtrb|laptop> messed up how ?
1530[14:45:38] <Bushmaster> i use think link to download google earth and accidentally downloaded 64 bit for my debian 32 bit and then carried on downloading 32 bit from that same link replaced-url
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1532[14:45:59] <Bushmaster> and followed their steps to install it and all messed up shtrb|laptop
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1536[14:46:10] <shtrb|laptop> May I ask why you download a file from the internet and use ubuntu steps ?
1537[14:47:08] <Bushmaster> this is paste bin shtrb|laptop replaced-url
1538[14:47:23] <Bushmaster> well what else to do shtrb|laptop
1539[14:47:41] <shtrb|laptop> !ubuntu
1540[14:47:42] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1543[14:48:50] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, do apt-get update , apt-get -f install to unlock your case (you also have a network problem or a bad repo configured)
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1545[14:49:05] <shtrb|laptop> when removing a package you do not need to have the .deb in the name
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1547[14:50:05] <abrotman> judd: versions lsb-core
1548[14:50:06] <Bushmaster> hold on shtrb|laptop
1549[14:50:06] <judd> Package: lsb-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1
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1553[14:51:32] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, you have something really messed in your configuration - it might be better to upgrade from jessie
1554[14:51:48] <Bushmaster> yes its stopped during update
1555[14:52:05] <shtrb|laptop> stoped with a success or a failure ?
1556[14:52:28] <Bushmaster> nothing, let me pastebin
1557[14:53:01] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, its stopped here replaced-url
1558[14:53:29] <Bushmaster> oh it came out
1559[14:53:34] <Bushmaster> let me pastebin it
1560[14:53:39] <shtrb|laptop> !francenshtein
1561[14:53:59] <Bushmaster> replaced-url
1562[14:54:11] <shtrb|laptop> dpkg , what was the francenshtein factoid ?
1563[14:54:12] <dpkg> shtrb|laptop: i don't know
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1565[14:54:23] <shtrb|laptop> dpkg, mixing repositories
1566[14:54:24] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, shtrb|laptop
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1568[14:54:46] <Bushmaster> you talking to me shtrb|laptop
1569[14:55:24] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, you have several different repos (dl.google.com , ppa.launchpad.net ) which are not really debian mirrors (last I checked)
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1571[14:56:20] <Bushmaster> i am running that apt-get -f install command you suggested now shtrb|laptop
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1573[14:57:33] <Bushmaster> what you want me to do after that shtrb|laptop
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1577[14:58:21] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, this is what i get replaced-url
1578[14:58:22] <shtrb|laptop> dpkg --remove google-earth-stable_current_amd64
1579[14:58:22] * dpkg rips the still-beating google-earth-stable_current_amd64 from shtrb|laptop's chest, leaving shtrb|laptop in a coma.
1580[14:58:38] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, dpkg --remove google-earth-stable_current_amd64
1581[14:58:48] <Bushmaster> hold on my good friend
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1583[14:59:17] <shtrb|laptop> Could not connect to mirror.cc.columbia.edu:80 (128.59.59.71), connection timed out
1584[14:59:25] <shtrb|laptop> change to a different mirror
1585[14:59:30] <Bushmaster> root@Bushcat:/home/bushcat# dpkg --remove google-earth-stable_current_amd64
1586[14:59:30] <Bushmaster> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove google-earth-stable_current_amd64 which isn't installed
1587[14:59:30] <Bushmaster> root@Bushcat:/home/bushcat#
1588[14:59:31] <dpkg> bushmaster: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1594[15:00:26] <Bushmaster> i am doing my best dpkg and that is all i got
1595[15:00:31] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, remove all non debian repositories from your sources.list , change to a mirror that's working for you and then run again
1596[15:00:44] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, how do I do all that?
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1598[15:01:03] <noodlepie> I should like to benchmark "apt-get" source packages VS Gentoo "emerge" source packages but I think because they're similarly featured, they'd be of similar speed too. @:P-~
1599[15:01:30] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, do you want me to go to Synaptic
1600[15:02:10] <shtrb|laptop> I haven't used synaptic for a while now , editer /etc/apt/source.list and put a # before each non debian line
1601[15:02:35] <shtrb|laptop> noodlepie, I'm sure gentoo have apt-get somewhere for you to test
1602[15:03:01] <shtrb|laptop> ,v emerge
1603[15:03:02] <judd> No package named 'emerge' was found in amd64.
1604[15:03:19] <shtrb|laptop> bummer, it could be interesting to play with emerge with debian
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1606[15:03:44] <Bushmaster> hold on shtrb|laptop
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1610[15:06:15] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, more messed up replaced-url
1611[15:07:01] <shtrb|laptop> vim /etc/apt/sources.list
1612[15:07:26] * shtrb|laptop start a vim vs emacs debate
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1614[15:08:13] <Bushmaster> hold on shtrb|laptop
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1616[15:08:59] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, it says vim: command not found
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1618[15:10:03] <shtrb|laptop> sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list
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1620[15:10:30] <Bushmaster> hold on
1621[15:11:35] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, its giving me an option replaced-url
1622[15:11:52] <Bushmaster> which option you want me to choose
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1624[15:12:09] <shtrb|laptop> 2 would be nice
1625[15:12:29] <Bushmaster> hold on
1626[15:12:32] <AndreasLutro> uh oh
1627[15:12:41] <AndreasLutro> Bushmaster: if you aren't familiar with vim you should pick 1 :p
1628[15:12:45] <shtrb|laptop> What ?
1629[15:12:58] <shtrb|laptop> vim vs nano war ?
1630[15:13:03] <Bushmaster> i am not familiar with any of these
1631[15:13:11] <Bushmaster> i picked 2 and it gives me few lines
1632[15:13:15] <Bushmaster> let me paste bin
1633[15:13:39] <shtrb|laptop> click on insert button, and scroll to any non debian mirror line
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1635[15:13:57] <shtrb|laptop> click on # sign and continue to the next ones
1636[15:14:04] <Bushmaster> this is what i get shtrb|laptop replaced-url
1637[15:14:07] <shtrb|laptop> then click escape , :wq
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1639[15:15:09] <Bushmaster> i do not see any non debian stuffs shtrb|laptop
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1643[15:17:28] <Bushmaster> i closed it shtrb|laptop should have picked option one
1644[15:17:44] <abrotman> could be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
1645[15:18:04] <Bushmaster> hold on abrotman
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1647[15:18:50] <abrotman> Bushmaster: why doesn't apt-get -f install fix it?
1648[15:19:17] <abrotman> Did you fix your mirror problem?
1649[15:19:24] <Bushmaster> i donlt know abrotman i am just following what shtrb|laptop telling me
1650[15:19:49] <Bushmaster> i cant fix anyone, i am not Linux guru, i just use it for software
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1652[15:20:19] <Bushmaster> i just wanted google earth intsalled and it caused more issues than i had
1653[15:20:45] <abrotman> Bushmaster: pastebin the output of `apt-get -f install`
1654[15:21:52] <Bushmaster> i did that before abrotman
1655[15:21:56] <Bushmaster> now i lost it
1656[15:22:21] <Bushmaster> hold on i will do it again
1657[15:22:45] <noodlepie> I like the speed of install of Debian packages. I also use Gentoo which builds packages from source, on newer machines. I have ab 8 thread i7 CPU and a tonne of memory so it flies! @:P-~
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1662[15:25:45] <abrotman> Bushmaster: any luck?
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1667[15:26:23] <Bushmaster> abrotman,
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1669[15:27:01] <Bushmaster> abrotman, here is what is happening replaced-url
1670[15:27:28] <abrotman> Bushmaster: let's try fixing your sources first
1671[15:27:47] <Bushmaster> you just tell me what i need to do, and i will try my best
1672[15:27:53] <abrotman> Bushmaster: in your /etc/apt/sources.list, change everywhere it says "mirror.cc.columbia.edu" to "deb.debian.org"
1673[15:28:01] <Bushmaster> i am not linux gury abrotman
1674[15:28:10] <abrotman> Bushmaster: then run `apt-get update` then run `apt-get -f install`
1675[15:28:29] <Bushmaster> right okay, i have no idea how to change or to access that source list
1676[15:28:48] <abrotman> vi? emacs? nano? use an editor
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1678[15:29:01] <Bushmaster> right okay, let me try with nano then
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1680[15:29:15] <abrotman> or we can use sed if you'd prefer that
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1682[15:29:25] <Bushmaster> what is that abrotman
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1685[15:29:57] <abrotman> never mind, try nano
1686[15:30:03] <Bushmaster> okay abrotman
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1688[15:31:07] <Bushmaster> abrotman, it came with nice colorful screen and texts in it, i am paste binning you okay
1689[15:31:37] <Bushmaster> abrotman, here is the link replaced-url
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1691[15:31:48] <Bushmaster> what you want me to do now abrotman
1692[15:32:13] <abrotman> I told you , change the text as indicated above
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1694[15:32:22] <Bushmaster> oh yes, hold on abrotman
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1697[15:33:17] <Bushmaster> abrotman, deb.debian.org/debian?
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1709[15:35:34] <kankusht> good morning
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1711[15:36:10] <kankusht> I have problems with obs-studio installation on debian jessie
1712[15:37:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1594
1713[15:37:33] <kankusht> I followed the installation guide at github but the cmake -j4 doesn't work
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1715[15:37:58] <abrotman> with what error?
1716[15:38:00] <Bushmaster> abrotman, i do not see any saving option
1717[15:38:19] <abrotman> Bushmaster: at the bottom? use ctrl-o
1718[15:39:28] <Bushmaster> i did that and then abrotman it hightlighted the source list at the bottom
1719[15:39:35] <Bushmaster> press enter?
1720[15:39:51] <abrotman> yes
1721[15:40:45] <abrotman> kankusht: use paste.debian.net to show us the error
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1731[15:42:03] <Bushmaster> abrotman, i do not see anthing really happened replaced-url
1732[15:42:08] <kankusht> ok, it will take some time because that means that I have to repeat the process again
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1735[15:43:40] <abrotman> Bushmaster: paste your sources.list again
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1738[15:45:54] <Bushmaster> abrotman, i think this has done something replaced-url
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1740[15:46:35] <abrotman> well, sort of, yes :)
1741[15:46:43] <Bushmaster> abrotman, source list here replaced-url
1742[15:46:52] <kankusht> another question, should I stay on jessie or change to strecht?
1743[15:48:05] <abrotman> stretch
1744[15:48:32] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Bushmaster about jessie sources.list
1745[15:48:46] <abrotman> your sources are malformed, you'll need to fix them as the bot says
1746[15:48:57] * abrotman runs away
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1749[15:50:48] <Bushmaster> abrotman, what you want me to do now?
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1753[15:56:02] <shtrb|laptop> Why are you using i386 ?
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1755[15:56:07] <shtrb|laptop> (sorry was out)
1756[15:56:25] <kankusht> I also use i386 because my pc is 32bit
1757[15:56:55] <shtrb|laptop> kankusht, is it older than 10 years ?
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1761[15:58:04] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, you will need to do dist-upgrade but before jumping to the water you should better revise your choice of i386 and why you have launchpad setup in your mirrors
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1765[15:59:26] <Bushmaster> this is what i get now shtrb|laptop and abrotman replaced-url
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1768[16:00:23] <shtrb|laptop> remove launchpad and google from your mirror list
1769[16:00:34] <shtrb|laptop> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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1773[16:04:03] <Bushmaster> hold on
1774[16:05:22] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, this is what I get replaced-url
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1779[16:06:03] <shtrb|laptop> What ? Why ? How ? what did you do to get into that mess
1780[16:06:04] <shtrb|laptop> and why
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1786[16:09:17] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, why do you have i386 ?
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1804[16:17:40] <kankusht> how can I send the error message as image file?
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1806[16:18:49] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, i do not have the answer
1807[16:19:10] <Bushmaster> so the problem with google earth is gone now right?
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1809[16:19:35] <Bushmaster> and the last pastebin i sent, what else you want me to do anyway shtrb|laptop
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1816[16:24:01] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, before upgrading we need to understand why you running such an old arch
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1822[16:26:26] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, now you should be able to apt-get -f install (to fix missing packages)
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1826[16:28:47] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, what you want me to do now
1827[16:29:01] <Bushmaster> hold on i will run it again
1828[16:29:21] <shtrb|laptop> to explain why you have i386 installed and why you have so many non debian mirrors
1829[16:29:34] <bites> Bushmaster: does apt-get update run through without errors now?
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1831[16:30:08] <shtrb|laptop> bites, he still have ubuntu repositories configured (so no)
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1834[16:30:49] <bites> then that's the first thing that should be fixed before you try to install something with apt-get -f install.
1835[16:30:56] <Bushmaster> bites shtrb|laptop you guys are brilliant, you guys know linux from heart dont you? here is the pastebin and it all resolved I think replaced-url
1836[16:31:30] <Random33> Morning all, Is there a way to just download the debian mirror locally without doing the whole mirror setup with apt-mirror?
1837[16:31:55] <shtrb|laptop> you mean like wget -nr ?
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1839[16:32:10] <bites> Bushmaster: looks good. now make sure your sources are all straight and apt-get update runs through.
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1842[16:32:42] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, now please explain WHY you have ubuntu mirrors setup and why you are using i386 (that information is needed to suggest if you do a dist-upgrade or a full reinstall)
1843[16:32:55] <Random33> was going to use a mac for the download, I did not have enough room on my linux VM, and then move it to a external drive
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1845[16:33:25] <shtrb|laptop> Random33, I think that there is a wget for mac
1846[16:33:28] <izaoeuoisdf> The shell always begins with:
1847[16:33:40] <izaoeuoisdf> username@domain:/home/# ls
1848[16:33:47] <izaoeuoisdf> home to remove all before : ?
1849[16:33:50] <Random33> yes, there is, I was just going to do that for the stable or so branch?
1850[16:33:55] <izaoeuoisdf> by default in my shell?
1851[16:33:57] <Random33> I just figured i'd ask if that would be enpugh
1852[16:33:58] <Random33> enough
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1856[16:36:59] <Bushmaster> bites, shtrb|laptop replaced-url
1857[16:37:31] <Bushmaster> well, i have no idea shtrb|laptop all i know is when I isntalled debian, i had to install 32 bit version
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1859[16:37:46] <shtrb|laptop> how old the pc/laptop is ?
1860[16:38:20] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, well the hard drive i installed is laptop hard drive and that laptop is broken now, it was 32 bit laptop
1861[16:38:43] <Bushmaster> now i took the hard drive out and run in a dekstop externally in a dock
1862[16:38:54] <shtrb|laptop> The current cpu is ? (cat /proc/cpuinfo)
1863[16:39:53] <shtrb|laptop> If the cpu from the last decade or so it should support amd64
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1874[16:43:33] <bites> Bushmaster: in sources.list or sources.list.d you have a bunch of lines included that start with deb replaced-url
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1881[16:45:32] <bites> Bushmaster: put a # in front of those lines to comment them out.
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1887[16:50:27] <Bushmaster> shtrb|laptop, replaced-url
1888[16:50:53] <Bushmaster> bites we did source list but not sure about that .d one
1889[16:51:18] <Bushmaster> bites, how do I find it and open it to put a number in it bites
1890[16:51:34] <Random33> i appologize for the idoit question, i'm just trying to find the packages themselves, all I see is a file with a list of the packages, I see the packages themselves are in pool, but, how can I just get the packages for amd64 or so
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1894[16:52:55] <bites> Bushmaster: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is a directory. every file in there with the ending .list gets interpreted by apt like the normal sources.list file. you will have to look through the files in that directory.
1895[16:53:19] <shtrb|laptop> Bushmaster, you can use amd64 (the cpu is ~10 year olds)
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1897[16:54:42] <bites> Bushmaster: and i meant you should put the character # in front of the invalid lines. that makes apt ignore that line and you can investigate later why you added it in the first place.
1898[16:55:21] <themill> Random33: partial mirrors are easy enough with debmirror or ftpsync
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1901[16:56:21] <Random33> themill thanks, I am not able to use my linux install to grab the files or else i'd just use apt-mirror or so
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1904[16:57:30] <themill> Good thing these tools run on any unixoid machine then
1905[16:57:47] <Random33> let me check again, thank you
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1909[16:59:30] <Bushmaster> my Debian is 32 bit shtirlic
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1912[17:00:07] <Bushmaster> i think he is gone
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1914[17:00:23] <Bushmaster> bites, i do not know where to find it and how to edit it
1915[17:00:43] <Bushmaster> hold on bites i will do it again
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1918[17:02:04] <Bushmaster> bites, nano open blank screen
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1924[17:04:11] <bites> Bushmaster: you have to edit each file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ individually. ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to see what's inside, then edit each file with nano.
1925[17:04:34] <Bushmaster> hold on
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1929[17:06:04] <Bushmaster> bites, replaced-url
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1933[17:07:06] <Bushmaster> bites, i do not need retroshare, kazam, qtcam
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1935[17:07:20] <Bushmaster> i tried to install them before with no luck bites
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1937[17:07:48] <Bushmaster> i do not need obsproject either bites
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1942[17:09:09] <kankusht> question
1943[17:09:38] <bites> Bushmaster: then remove the files or edit them. you have to give the full path with file name for nano or rm, not just the directory.
1944[17:09:41] <kankusht> where can I find repositories for adding to debian?
1945[17:09:52] <noodlepie> go head..
1946[17:10:06] <Bushmaster> bites, how I do that?
1947[17:10:18] <kankusht> I know launchpad.net bu those are mostly for ubuntu, so where can I get the ones for debian?
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1950[17:10:57] <bites> Bushmaster: nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kazam-team-stable-series-jessie.list if you want to edit that file. i'm sure you will manage the rest.
1951[17:11:28] <Bushmaster> hold on
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1954[17:12:58] <Bushmaster> bites, this is what i get replaced-url
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1956[17:13:17] <Bushmaster> now bites you want me to put # in the first line right?
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1959[17:13:43] <bites> yes, you probably need to be root to edit that file though.
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1961[17:14:15] <Bushmaster> yes i am in root bites and i just edited it
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1965[17:14:30] <Bushmaster> and you want me to continue with all of them right bites
1966[17:14:46] <bites> now when you run apt-get update there should be one error less.
1967[17:15:00] <bites> yep, there should be a bunch more broken sources.
1968[17:16:22] <Bushmaster> do you want me to do all of them ?
1969[17:16:47] <Bushmaster> I mean I use google hangout and it wont destroy talk?
1970[17:16:50] <bites> just for the lines that cause errors for now.
1971[17:17:11] <Bushmaster> i cant remember which one caused errors
1972[17:17:25] <bites> probably all containing launchpad
1973[17:17:41] <bites> compare to the output of apt-get update. you can do that yourself.
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1978[17:20:19] <Bushmaster> shall i run apt-get update again ?
1979[17:20:29] <bites> you can, sure.
1980[17:20:54] <bites> removing the source does not remove the packages installed from there btw, it just prevents future updates.
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1985[17:24:07] <Random33> sorry for being new at this, I appreciate the tips, what director am I aming ftpsync or rsync at to grab the repo?
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1989[17:24:31] <Random33> pool doesnt split it out by arch and the others just have a file that lists the packages
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1992[17:25:31] <Bushmaster> bites i learnt a lot but i will forget all these cos i forgot to save all the commands you guys taught me
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1994[17:26:36] <Bushmaster> it would be good to remove them software, i know that sht guy was asking me why i have all these and i now know the answers, cos I wanted them software installed and I went to various ubuntu based forum to install it
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1999[17:31:36] <Bushmaster> bites, here is the final work replaced-url
2000[17:31:45] <bites> Bushmaster: then after you are done cleaning up, run apt-get update again and then aptitude search ~o that should list packages without install candidate. remove the ones you don't want with apt-get remove <name>
2001[17:32:20] <Bushmaster> hold on
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2006[17:33:32] <bites> you are missing the public key for some third party repository you have added.
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2008[17:34:00] <Bushmaster> yes bites does it a big problem or just leave it the way it is?
2009[17:34:09] <Bushmaster> also here is the pastebin replaced-url
2010[17:34:31] <Bushmaster> i need all of them packages hence nothing to remove bites
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2018[17:37:42] <bites> Bushmaster: gpg --search-keys 1397BC53640DB551 says that key is the google package signing key. you probably want it if you want to install packages from the google repo you have added.
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2022[17:39:17] <Bushmaster> bites, not sure what it means replaced-url
2023[17:39:52] <Bushmaster> well, i dont know, i use google packages or not, i do use whats app in my desktop, google hang out etc
2024[17:40:20] <Bushmaster> and i use google map, yes and I use google+
2025[17:41:03] <bites> you probably shouldn't run every command as root. ^^
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2031[17:44:05] <bites> Bushmaster: try gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --search-keys 1397BC53640DB551
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2034[17:46:48] <bites> Bushmaster: if you decide that you need it you can add the key with apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv 1397BC53640DB551
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2036[17:47:31] <bites> now the last command needs root again. ^^
2037[17:48:02] <Bushmaster> bites replaced-url
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2040[17:48:39] <Bushmaster> i dont need it, i did go to MIT course websites in the past but I cant recall I use any software or anything with MIT bites
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2042[17:48:59] <Bushmaster> hence bites can we delete it ?
2043[17:49:38] <Bushmaster> well I am in root yes, do you want me to come off it?
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2045[17:49:57] <kerrhau> I was messing with /etc/fonts and now my fonts look terrible, is there any way I can restore my fonts to defaults?
2046[17:50:33] <bites> Bushmaster: meh, must be the keyserver, worked a minute ago. try a different one. gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --search-keys 1397BC53640DB551
2047[17:50:52] <Bushmaster> from where?
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2049[17:51:00] <Bushmaster> from root bites ?
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2051[17:51:32] <bites> doesn't matter. that command does not need root.
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2057[17:52:24] <Bushmaster> bites, replaced-url
2058[17:53:06] <Bushmaster> bites, can i install google earth now then, i noticed in my download folder I have gogole earth in it
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2060[17:53:34] <noodlepie> Our communal Debian box updated today successfully. i run Gentoo on my 8thread i7 laptop
2061[17:53:43] <noodlepie> That also updated correctly today.
2062[17:53:46] <noodlepie> @:P-~
2063[17:54:02] <Bushmaster> bites replaced-url
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2065[17:54:03] <bites> Bushmaster: now you can decide if you want to add it to apt trusted keys, which you can do with apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 1397BC53640DB551
2066[17:54:32] <Bushmaster> okay I will add it bites although it means nothing to me
2067[17:54:43] <bites> Bushmaster: this has nothing to do with things you have in your download directory.
2068[17:55:21] <bites> Bushmaster: you have added a google source to apt. apt complains that the key for that repository is missing, which is used to verify packages after download with apt install.
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2071[17:55:52] <Bushmaster> bites, replaced-url
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2073[17:56:20] <bites> now run apt-get update again, it should be clean this time.
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2075[17:56:28] <Bushmaster> so bites now google will be okay with google earth package install?
2076[17:56:29] <noodlepie> I love "apt-get clean" to free loads of disk space @:P-~
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2078[17:56:42] <Bushmaster> hold on bites
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2080[17:57:38] <bites> Bushmaster: i don't know about google earth. you will have to read google's installation instructions.
2081[17:57:42] <Bushmaster> bites, it looks nice and clean now replaced-url
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2083[17:57:58] <Bushmaster> i will leave google earth for now bites
2084[17:58:04] <Bushmaster> my brain is over heating
2085[17:58:13] <Bushmaster> thanks a million for all the help bites
2086[17:58:55] <bites> you're welcome.
2087[17:58:56] <Bushmaster> i want to ask you, what is the best way to learn all these bites
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2090[17:59:24] <bites> just by using it for a while. it comes on its own.
2091[17:59:30] <Bushmaster> i mean surely you know deep stuffs about Linux file systems, how I learn these bites ?
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2093[17:59:43] <annadane> !newcomer
2094[17:59:44] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
2095[17:59:48] <Bushmaster> i been using linux for over 5 tears now
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2101[18:01:02] <bites> start using the command line more, learn writing scripts, read documentation, watch talks on youtube, solve problems in a way that you understand what you are doing, not just copying command off google.
2102[18:01:11] <LMSC> +
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2104[18:01:33] <Bushmaster> thanks a lot bites i will copy your advice
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2114[18:06:48] <hypn0> or you could learn gambas, and write youre own programs :-)
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2154[18:30:47] <Heston> hey guys, does anyone know how I could get this to work? I'm trying to do something like `dd if=/dev/sdb1 count=1000 of=| sha256sum`
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2161[18:39:09] <mutante> Heston: what is your goal?
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2163[18:39:40] <mutante> of= expects a file to write to
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2166[18:40:21] <Heston> mutante, determine if dd'ing the installation iso over to a usb was successful since it creates 2 partitions
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2168[18:40:37] <mutante> Heston: "cp" is enough nowadays
2169[18:40:45] <mutante> with the hybrid iso images
2170[18:40:52] <Heston> so i figure if I read up to where the last partition ends with dd, it should give me a matching checksum
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2172[18:41:03] <Heston> that still doesnt help with the checksum though
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2174[18:41:34] <Heston> the iso creates the extra EFI partition and there isnt a simple way to get the checksum of both partitions
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2176[18:41:53] <Heston> that would match the iso's checksum
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2178[18:43:16] <mutante> i am not sure, but first you have to dell dd where to write to, then separate you can run sha256sum on that file
2179[18:43:19] <mutante> tell
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2181[18:44:04] <Heston> yeah that
2182[18:44:23] <Heston> I figured I have to end up doing just that
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2184[18:45:43] <mutante> Heston: this? replaced-url
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2186[18:46:28] <mutante> see the part about using "cmp" and "head" instead
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2195[18:48:27] <Heston> mutante, hmm actually at the bottom is what I want
2196[18:49:08] <Heston> sudo dd if=/dev/sdi bs=512b count=3840 | sha256sum where the count is from the amount of records copied
2197[18:49:12] <Heston> thank you
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2202[18:51:17] <annadane> it says there's a new libreoffice in backports (i have 6 already) yet when i apt update it says all packages are up to date?
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2205[18:52:33] <Heston> update wont automatically grab from backports
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2209[18:53:23] <annadane> well, even if i apt -t stretch-backports install libreoffice it says it's already the latest version; but interestingly the one on debian's website in backports and the version i have are the same
2210[18:53:37] <bites> annadane: what says that?
2211[18:53:41] <bites> ,v libreoffice
2212[18:53:42] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u11; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u7~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u9; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u3; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-security:
2213[18:53:43] <judd> 1:5.2.7-1+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 1:6.0.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:6.0.4~rc1-4; sid: 1:6.0.4~rc1-4
2214[18:53:53] <bites> stretch-backports: 1:6.0.2-1~bpo9+1;
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2216[18:54:03] <bites> annadane: which version do you have?
2217[18:54:45] <annadane> replaced-url
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2223[18:55:37] <annadane> possibly the mirror just isn't updated yet
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2225[18:56:29] <Heston> you already have 1:6.0.2-1~bpo9+1 installed
2226[18:56:39] <Heston> which is the latest backport
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2230[18:57:11] <annadane> yes, but the email indicates a newer version
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2234[18:57:28] <bites> check again in a few hours, it should be there.
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2237[18:58:22] <annadane> figures
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2239[18:59:30] <Heston> my mistake
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2301[19:31:39] <D3stiny> Hi_
2302[19:31:42] <D3stiny> replaced-url
2303[19:31:52] <D3stiny> Any informations about this french tutorial on vsphere?
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2319[19:33:07] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
2320[19:33:24] <ychaouche> How do I mount a dvd that contains data ?
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2322[19:33:53] <ychaouche> I tried sudo mount /dev/cdrom, it says mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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2325[19:35:04] <shtrb|laptop> who said it's under /dev/cdrom ?
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2328[19:35:37] <shtrb|laptop> try /dev/sr[0,1]
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2330[19:35:54] <ychaouche> it used to be there in 2001
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2332[19:36:21] <shtrb|laptop> there had been many things in 2001 , but no longer with us
2333[19:36:27] <Heston> just check lsblk
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2335[19:37:06] <ychaouche> :p
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2338[19:38:08] <ychaouche> Heston, we have a problem: replaced-url
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2341[19:40:52] <ychaouche> apparently it doesn't like my DVD :( replaced-url
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2343[19:42:21] <shtrb|laptop> It could be a cable problem
2344[19:42:32] <shtrb|laptop> or bad media
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2346[19:43:12] <bug> or an ancient device that needs firmware?
2347[19:43:35] <Heston> I would try a known good disk first
2348[19:43:37] <shtrb|laptop> speaking from experience, that %@#%@ sometimes stop working because of a bad cable
2349[19:43:54] <shtrb|laptop> bug, guess who went to buy new hardware only to learn it was a bad cable
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2351[19:44:16] <bug> ouch
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2353[19:44:36] <shtrb|laptop> also CDRs can die with time (not rot but get corrupted), acording to support you should store them in special conditions
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2355[19:44:50] <Heston> was it an IDE cable?
2356[19:45:03] <ychaouche> thanks for the tip shtrb|laptop, but will check with known media first as suggested by Heston
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2358[19:45:33] <shtrb|laptop> Heston,usb
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2360[19:45:51] <Heston> oh hmm
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2363[19:46:36] <shtrb|laptop> yes , I was really amuzed to learn a ~$4 cable cost me to find a place where they sell usb/sata interface and a DVD-RW
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2365[19:47:58] <Azrael_-> where can i find a netinst-cd for jessie?
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2367[19:48:11] <shtrb|laptop> why not stretch ?
2368[19:48:22] <Azrael_-> because it has a kernel-bug i have to avoid
2369[19:48:42] <bug> yeh, come to think of it, one of my usb3 external drive cables recently went bad.
2370[19:48:46] <shtrb|laptop> You can install a different kernel in stretch (newer/older/rebuild)
2371[19:49:04] <annadane> oh, per my earlier question i misread the timestamp of the email; it's actually very recent
2372[19:49:11] <annadane> so entirely possible it's just not on the mirror yet
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2375[19:51:40] <somiaj> Azrael_-: you can find the install cds for jessie in simlar places to stretch, just go to oldstable instaed.
2376[19:51:58] <jelly> Azrael_-: replaced-url
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2379[19:52:10] <Azrael_-> jelly: thanks
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2382[19:52:31] <jelly> ,kernels
2383[19:52:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); buster: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
2384[19:52:33] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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2386[19:53:17] <jelly> Azrael_-: if your bug was fixed before 4.15 you might also try stretch and a stretch-backports kernel
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2391[19:53:47] <jelly> but there's no ready-made installer which installs that kernel
2392[19:54:04] <jelly> needs to be done after OS is installed
2393[19:54:30] <Azrael_-> currently i'm trying out older kernels.
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2398[19:56:33] <shtrb|laptop> Azrael_-, do you need help for building an older kernel
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2402[19:57:54] <Azrael_-> shtrb|laptop: already built a few kernels but i failed with each and every one of them -> all had the same bug in it
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2404[19:59:37] <shtrb|laptop> Azrael_-, I meant to take an older kernel for you in stretch
2405[19:59:52] <shtrb|laptop> or maybe to take a newer version from backports
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2407[20:00:18] <Azrael_-> shtrb|laptop: currently picking kernels from here and trying them out: replaced-url
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2409[20:00:55] <shtrb|laptop> just out of curiosity what type of a bug and have you reported it ?
2410[20:01:14] <Azrael_-> replaced-url
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2412[20:01:54] <bertbob> Azrael_-: I found that including CRC32c in the kernel rather than as a module fix that problem here
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2415[20:02:52] <shtrb|laptop> Azrael_-, because I'm having usb powering issues , can you try to plug in the device into a socket that does have many connection on the same hub ?
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2417[20:03:10] <Azrael_-> bertbob: don't understand how crc32c is connected to my problem
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2420[20:04:02] <bertbob> I may be behind, I was logged off, but I'm referring to the problem of not booting because of init not found, root not mounted
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2422[20:04:26] <shtrb|laptop> Azrael_-, your error is different (you have an oops) but I had a very experience with recent usb power issues
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2424[20:05:19] <bertbob> I'm guessing CRC32c is used to validate the disk in 4.16.4 and 4.16.5. just a guess
2425[20:05:20] <shtrb|laptop> * very bad experience
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2427[20:06:18] <Azrael_-> shtrb|laptop: i only have one usb device, not tons available
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2429[20:06:59] <shtrb|laptop> I don't know if related but ask around in linux-usb the people there sometimes fix bugs within a day (if that is really usb related)
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2435[20:08:10] <shtrb|laptop> Azrael_-, replaced-url
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2437[20:09:07] <Azrael_-> i admit i don't even know how to post something there
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2444[20:13:24] <shtrb|laptop> That's why I gave you the link (also #KernelNewbies and linux-usb@vger.kernel.org )
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2455[20:20:06] <rrttyy> Hi, I'm trying to use flatpak to install Gimp 2.1. Will using flatpak break dependencies in my system? I use xfce with a few gnome tools.
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2465[20:24:58] <shtrb|laptop> ,v gimp
2466[20:24:59] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.8.22-1; sid: 2.10.0-3
2467[20:25:43] <shtrb|laptop> do you really need flatpak for that ? and should not
2468[20:26:03] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: sorry, it's 2.10 not 2.1
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2472[20:27:32] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: the libraries required for building it are not present in debian stable and I don't want to upgrade right now.
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2476[20:28:54] <shtrb|laptop> I have mixed feeling about flatpak for something which already exist in debian , but if that what make you happy ...
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2478[20:29:24] <shtrb|laptop> it's sandboxed (to a degree) so you should be sage
2479[20:29:38] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: The new version of gimp is significantly better, that is why I wish to install it.
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2481[20:29:58] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: allright, I'll give it a try
2482[20:30:03] <somiaj> rrttyy: in general it is not suggested to install things that way.
2483[20:30:06] <shtrb|laptop> not arguing about it, I'm just saying having something over flatpak sound unnatural
2484[20:30:12] <somiaj> backports are the way to go, I would first just try to make a backport
2485[20:30:12] <somiaj> !ssb
2486[20:30:14] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2489[20:30:32] <somiaj> ,check-backports gimp
2490[20:30:50] <somiaj> ,check-backport gimp
2491[20:30:52] <judd> Backporting package gimp in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gegl (>= 0.4.0), libbabl-dev (>= 0.1.46), libfontconfig1-dev (>= 2.12.4), libgegl-dev (>= 0.4.0), libgexiv2-dev (>= 0.10.6), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.54.2), libmypaint-dev (>= 1.3.0), libwebp-dev (>= 0.6.0), mypaint-brushes.
2492[20:31:36] <somiaj> though in making a backport you'll have to also backport a lot of depends. The general advise we give in situations like this is be careful, as this is a common method in which people break debian.
2493[20:31:40] <somiaj> !don't break debian
2494[20:31:40] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
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2496[20:32:05] <rrttyy> somiaj: Thanks, I've never done this before. I'll give it a try.
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2498[20:32:46] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: yeah, but there's no other way for me to use it right now. Krita distributes appimages, I wish gimp would, too.
2499[20:33:10] <somiaj> maybe it will work, it is sandboxed. Just be careful. In general part of the stability of debian is sticking to the versions available in debian.
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2501[20:33:50] <Exagone313> Hi, what would you advise between LXC and systemd-nspawn on debian stretch, and why?
2502[20:33:52] <shtrb|laptop> rrttyy, backup everything and have a nice few GB of free space
2503[20:33:59] <rrttyy> somiaj: alright, I will try it.
2504[20:34:05] <RedSoxFan07> Hi guys, I'm installing GIMP 2.10 and I've hit a snag. It's asking me if I want the MiniSSDP daemon to start automatically at boot time. Should I say yes or or no to this request?
2505[20:34:15] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: yeah, I have regular backups so that won't be a problem.
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2508[20:34:35] <shtrb|laptop> rrttyy, meet RedSoxFan07 I think you have something in common
2509[20:34:46] <rrttyy> shtrb|laptop: yeah!
2510[20:35:13] <rrttyy> RedSoxFan07: Are you running stable? How are you installing it?
2511[20:35:16] <shtrb|laptop> RedSoxFan07, where did you get it ?
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2514[20:35:42] <RedSoxFan07> rrttyy: I'm running Buster and I'm installing it via Apt from the Buster repository.
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2516[20:35:57] <rrttyy> What if I install sid on a VM and compile it there?
2517[20:36:01] <shtrb|laptop> !next
2518[20:36:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2519[20:36:18] <shtrb|laptop> feces , wrong factoid
2520[20:36:23] <somiaj> Exagone313: what is your use case, how isolated are you needing these servers/instance?
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2522[20:36:46] <Exagone313> somiaj: I need to have the guest behind a virtual NAT interface, with output internet access and local input to use a reverse proxy
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2524[20:37:23] <rrttyy> RedSoxFan07: but buster has 2.8, not 2.10
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2528[20:38:19] <somiaj> Exagone313: how isolated of a guest, there are a lot of ways to achive this, would using qemu-kvm and having a full guest be what you want? Anyways, between the two you suggested, I would go lxc just because it is a bit older and tested as a full jail over systemd's method (which I'm unsure how isolated it is).
2529[20:38:39] <Exagone313> i'm on a VPS, can't use kvm
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2534[20:39:56] <RedSoxFan07> rrttyy: Aw man!
2535[20:39:57] <somiaj> Exagone313: ahh, well unsure how well lxc would work on a vps either. Others with more experience might be able to state what is best. A lot depends on the isolation and security issues.
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2537[20:41:11] <rrttyy> RedSoxFan07: sid has 2.10
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2539[20:41:27] <Exagone313> I think I'll try systemd-spawn and if I have a problem I'll fallback to LXC
2540[20:41:32] <Exagone313> nspawn*
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2545[20:44:04] <somiaj> Exagone313: I think the biggest issue with that might be isolation/security and you may want to read up on issues realted to that and systemd-spawn
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2547[20:45:10] <Exagone313> they both use cgroups
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2564[20:53:25] <kerrhau> hi
2565[20:53:35] <kerrhau> i messed up my font rendering
2566[20:53:41] <kerrhau> is there any way to restore defaults?
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2581[21:04:54] <zeffy> i have debian installed , and i try to install windows with virtualbox.. but i get error : (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED).
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2583[21:05:16] <zeffy> the image i use is a good one, i used it on other laptop
2584[21:05:40] <zeffy> any advice ?
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2593[21:12:21] <kankusht> good afternoon
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2596[21:12:43] <kankusht> I have problems compiling obs studio on Debian
2597[21:12:52] <kankusht> after make -j4
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2599[21:13:36] <kankusht> I got an error message: make***[all] error 2
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2601[21:13:53] <kankusht> is there any solution?
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2624[21:23:16] <bites> kankusht: please paste the complete output to paste.debian.net. which version of debian are you using?
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2710[21:53:59] <Exagone313> ok, systemd-nspawn is not usable, networking is not as easy as with lxc, so I know now ^^
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2755[22:13:25] <UukGoblin> lxc-create -t debian is failing on Stretch 9.4 with "E: Couldn't find these debs: iproute2" when trying to create a wheezy LXC
2756[22:13:37] <UukGoblin> which is understandable as this package does not exist in wheezy
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2764[22:16:09] <UukGoblin> changing 'iproute2' to 'iproute' in the download_debian() function in /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-debian seems to help with that
2765[22:16:10] <AvatarA> did they remove the minimize and restore buttons in the last version of chromium?
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2776[22:18:52] <Schmeckle> Hi, I need help with a really simple problem. I am new to linux, yet I consider myself able to google and I absolutely cannot figure out where to put a simple startup command into, for it to get executed when logging in. Can anyone help me?
2777[22:19:04] <Schmeckle> nmcli con up 71991e10-457d-4572-b6d5-XXXXXXXXXXX
2778[22:19:12] <Schmeckle> That's all I want executed at startup
2779[22:19:17] <Schmeckle> or at login rather
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2829[22:41:27] <Exagone313> Schmantinski: you may prefer to make NetworkManager to start that connection automatically. I'll look into that
2830[22:41:40] <Exagone313> I'd look*
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2835[22:43:24] <Exagone313> Schmantinski: try sudo systemctl enable NetworkManager
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2840[22:46:20] <Omnom> aahh, systemd !!!
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2890[23:07:11] <mvaenskae-laptop> does anyone know of a way to make notifications not steal mouse focus (plasma, debian buster)?
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2934[23:30:52] <bug> mvaenskae-laptop, you can try using devilspie2 to fine-tune mouse focus. btw, this channel is for stretch only.
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