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1 [00:00:49] <rander2> it's possible use 2 gpu card
thogeder
2 [00:01:10] <sponix> rander2: yes. at least to a degree
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11 [00:03:06] <rander2> in what sense up to a degree ?
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19 [00:19:46] <idlestranger> @sney what cpu are you using?
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22 [00:22:53] <sney> idlestranger: an old amd fx, why?
23 [00:23:18] <idlestranger> some older ryzen models, like the
1700x specifically have c6 state issues that can result in
intermittent gui freezing. disabling c6 or c_state handling
alltogether (if individual state control is lacking in bios) will
fix the freezing issue.
24 [00:23:22] <lloydxmas> anyone have any experience with color
calibration? using an nvidia gpu with a dell monitor. understanding
that this may not be the correct place to ask, but hey, i'm
running debian :)
25 [00:23:32] <idlestranger> i don't recall it being an
issue with the old fx line though
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30 [00:25:14] <sney> idlestranger: ah, you're looking for
sponix, that's who has a freezing issue
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33 [00:25:37] <idlestranger> ahh my bad, only skimmed
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191 [02:50:16] <relipse> I read an article about how a dating
site got hacked and leaked a ton of users' information? What
steps do I need to take on my site to prevent that from happening? I
throttle the user logins right now
192 [02:50:50] <hop> relipse: oh boy… how much time
do you have?
193 [02:51:01] <foxide> relipse:
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194 [02:51:03] <foxide> Start there.
195 [02:53:01] <foxide> relipse: But that is definitely not
something that can be explained in any reasonable amount of time or
effort here.
196 [02:53:09] <hop> yeah, that's a couple man years right
there
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198 [02:53:23] <foxide> That's a full career. :P
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202 [02:57:01] <beelzebuzz> relipse: ##security
203 [02:57:17] <foxide> Ehh. I find that channel to be a useless
cesspool most of the time.
204 [02:57:24] <relipse> I read it, now what
205 [02:57:46] <hop> hire a lawyer
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207 [02:58:13] <relipse> ...
208 [02:58:16] <foxide> relipse: The intent of that is to
understand the common mistakes made when developing web
applications. "Now what" is that you need to go make sure
that you haven't made any of those mistakes. That's a
starting point.
209 [02:58:46] <sney> make it as hard as possible for anyone who
is not you to get root on the server. lock down management access to
authorized hosts/subnets only, ensure database inputs are sanitized,
etc
210 [02:59:01] <foxide> sney: 99.9% of what you just said is
contained in "etc"
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216 [03:00:59] <hop> ^^
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218 [03:01:05] <hop> the internet. isn't it fun?
219 [03:01:32] <foxide> That's tantamount to someone asking
"what math do I need to know to understand quantum
mechanics?" and you answer with "addition, etc."
220 [03:01:37] <sney> well, it's relipse's job to
expand on the 'etc', but the first 2 are a good place to
start. particularly for small time single host websites, where
it's not like you're likely to get the same kind of
attention as a popular dating site
221 [03:03:10] <foxide> relipse: Here's an introduction to
securing the server itself:
replaced-url
222 [03:03:30] <foxide> And then you get into the web
application, which is a whole different sphere.
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228 [03:08:27] <k`> hey guys any idea what's causing this?
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229 [03:08:32] <k`> missing /etc/machine-id?
230 [03:08:42] <k`> i just cloned my disk using parted magic --
migrating over from SATA to NVME
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245 [03:20:35] <jmcnaught> k`: I would probably boot from a live
USB and check if the /etc/machine-id file exists. Is /etc being
mounted read-only?
246 [03:20:59] <k`> i just ran systemd-machine-id-setup
247 [03:21:01] <k`> and seemed to fix it
248 [03:21:10] <k`> all im getting now is the firmware error
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250 [03:22:27] <k`> i just did sudo dmesg | grep error and came
up with 2 errors
251 [03:22:33] <k`> [ 2.507839] EXT4-fs (nvme0n1p2): re-mounted.
Opts: errors=remount-ro
252 [03:22:39] <k`> [ 3.005606] i915 0000:00:02.0: Direct
firmware load for i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin failed with error -2
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254 [03:23:03] <hop> one is not an error
255 [03:23:10] <k`> okay, cool!
256 [03:23:13] <sney> the first one is not an error, the second
is about gpu firmware and probably unrelated
257 [03:23:29] <k`> hmm gpu firmware... i'm running iGPU off
a 6500T
258 [03:23:55] <k`> looking at my sources.list now
259 [03:24:09] <sney> !i915 firmware
260 [03:24:09] <dpkg> Some Intel UHD GPUs made after 2015 require
firmware from userspace for all features to be enabled. This
includes Skylake, Kabylake, Broxton, Cannonlake and possibly others.
Ask me about <non-free sources> and install
firmware-misc-nonfree to provide.
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262 [03:24:23] <k`> hmm interesting!
263 [03:24:32] <k`> weird.. i thought i took care of all of this
when i set this machine up originally
264 [03:24:33] <k`> like a year ago
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267 [03:25:13] <k`> i've got non-free's listed
268 [03:25:16] <k`> should i run apt-get install
firmware-misc-nonfree ?
269 [03:25:23] <sney> that's what the bot said
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271 [03:25:44] <sney> though, sometimes you still get missing
firmware warnings even if the driver is working fully. iwlwifi on
this system warns about a missing blob every boot but wifi works
completely. it's up to you to know if your system is working.
272 [03:25:46] <k`> siiick sorry didn't realize
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275 [03:27:43] <k`> boom! clean boot
276 [03:27:44] <k`> thanks guys
277 [03:28:20] <T-zef> hi! anyone who know from debian how to
make a Lan at home with two machins on AssaultCube game ?
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281 [03:34:54] <jmcnaught> T-zef: it looks like you need to run
assaultcube-server(6) on one computer.
282 [03:35:26] <T-zef> jmcnaught, yes I do
283 [03:37:01] <T-zef> my both machins laptop/wifi and
desktop/RJ45 are connected on that :
replaced-url
284 [03:37:24] <T-zef> never in my life i made a LAN, it's
new for me
285 [03:39:04] <T-zef> i have seen that :
replaced-url
286 [03:39:26] <T-zef> but still description is not enough i
guess
287 [03:40:22] <T-zef> even for other games, i cannot see much
details on the web about how to make a LAN on Debian...
288 [03:40:52] <T-zef> i guess it's something so easy that
there is no much need of descriptions.
289 [03:41:22] <T-zef> or i donno how to search, hehe
290 [03:41:59] <jmcnaught> Did you try running assaultcube-server
and then running assaultcube and going to the multiplayer menu?
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293 [03:46:23] <T-zef> jmcnaught, yes i will show you
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301 [03:50:57] <T-zef>
replaced-url
302 [03:51:02] <T-zef> then
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305 [03:52:12] <jmcnaught> T-zef: I just tried it. It took a
minute or two before my server showed up in the LAN server browser
(which bizarrely wanted to connect to a global server browser).
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308 [03:52:36] <T-zef>
replaced-url
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310 [03:53:29] <jmcnaught> T-zef: "Join a LAN server"
311 [03:53:30] <T-zef> is it jmcnaught, please can you describe
me how do you proceed?
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313 [03:53:40] <T-zef> ok
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315 [03:54:56] <T-zef> yes jmcnaught, i see my IP, for me it is
fast
316 [03:55:37] <T-zef> it is showing zero player
317 [03:56:04] <jmcnaught> Have you connected to it yet?
318 [03:56:10] <T-zef> no
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320 [03:56:20] <jmcnaught> Has anyone else connected to it yet?
321 [03:56:54] <T-zef> yes i have to connect to it
322 [03:57:01] <T-zef> but the problem is
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324 [03:57:12] <T-zef> the other machin
325 [03:57:38] <T-zef> the other machin will see that IP but will
connect alone on another map
326 [03:57:46] <T-zef> so we can't play together
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329 [03:58:33] <jmcnaught> Oh, that sucks. It looks like
AssaultCube has an IRC channel on Quakenet:
replaced-url
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331 [03:59:31] <T-zef> yes the IRC is dead
332 [03:59:39] <T-zef> i am on it right now
333 [04:00:17] <jmcnaught> Maybe you will find an answer in
"man assaultcube-server"
334 [04:00:44] <T-zef> there are some video tuto on YT but
it's all for Windows.......
335 [04:01:44] <T-zef> yes I have read that one "man
assaultcube-server"
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343 [04:11:50] <T-zef> ok, from terminal i see that the other
computer have a diffrent IP, and it connect and disconnect
344 [04:11:56] <T-zef> on the spot
345 [04:12:40] <T-zef> hey now I remember I have seen that issue
somewhere I have to find it back
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347 [04:14:13] <T-zef> like here but not sure that the same issue
:
replaced-url
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358 [04:22:00] <T-zef> ohhhhhhh..... now I know... you will hit
me if I tell you why...
359 [04:22:45] * dvs gets the gloves
360 [04:24:25] <T-zef> desktop is on buster and
laptop"host" is on sid... both versions are different...
it say like that on the buster screen...
361 [04:24:42] * T-zef fear for himself now.....
362 [04:25:07] <T-zef> please don't rude with the stick
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365 [04:26:43] <T-zef> i guess i must get the both same versions
366 [04:27:10] <T-zef> i will try and let you know
367 [04:27:16] <jmcnaught> Good luck
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370 [04:28:17] <SOLIDSEC> Hallo good people. How to sync
OpenNTPD? ntpctl -s all: 5/5 peers vaild, clock unsynced, clock
offset is 07221.185ms
371 [04:28:43] <SOLIDSEC> I exchanged ntp for openntp
372 [04:29:11] <T-zef> jmcnaught thanks
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375 [04:34:23] <k`> guys.. i cloned my 256gb ssd to a 500gb nvme
-- now i'm trying to resize it so it sees the full 500gb
376 [04:34:28] <k`> i deleted my swap partition with fdisk
377 [04:34:44] <k`> then i ran partprobe /dev/nvme0n1
378 [04:34:53] <k`> and when i try to run resize2fs
/dev/nvme0n1p2
379 [04:34:58] <k`> it says nothing to do blocks already x long
380 [04:35:06] <k`> even though fdisk -l lists the partition at
222G still
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394 [04:48:23] <hop> k`: have you actually resized the partition?
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407 [05:03:31] <k`> hop: i guess not... i thought running
resize2fs /dev/nvme0n1p2 would have done that
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410 [05:03:50] <hop> k`: that would resize the filesystem.
different thing
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418 [05:06:44] <k`> ahhhh
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420 [05:07:26] <k`> can i resize without having to format and
stuff?
421 [05:07:36] <hop> o.o?
422 [05:07:47] <hop> formatting is still another thing
423 [05:07:54] <k`> ahh yeah gotcha
424 [05:07:55] <hop> and define "and stuff" please
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426 [05:08:22] <k`> how does this sound
427 [05:08:23] <k`> parted -a optimal /dev/nvme0n1
428 [05:08:33] <k`> resizepart 2
429 [05:08:42] <k`> does that sound like correct method?
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432 [05:11:39] <hop> i don't use parted, so i'm not
sure that would even be accepted
433 [05:11:57] <hop> but sure. resize the partition, then resize
the filesystem
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435 [05:15:24] <k`> okay ran it
436 [05:15:32] <k`> then i ran the partprobe and the resize2fs
437 [05:15:34] <k`> and it outputted
438 [05:15:40] <k`> root@m900:/home/k# sudo resize2fs
/dev/nvme0n1p2
439 [05:15:40] <k`> resize2fs 1.44.5 (15-Dec-2018)
440 [05:15:40] <k`> Filesystem at /dev/nvme0n1p2 is mounted on /;
on-line resizing required
441 [05:15:42] <k`> old_desc_blocks = 28, new_desc_blocks = 59
442 [05:15:44] <k`> The filesystem on /dev/nvme0n1p2 is now
121938984 (4k) blocks long.
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445 [05:15:52] <k`> ugh sorry
446 [05:15:54] <hop> bye bye
447 [05:15:58] <k`> did you see what it said though?
448 [05:16:08] <k`> old_desc_blocks = 28, new_desc_blocks = 59
449 [05:16:12] <k`> The filesystem on /dev/nvme0n1p2 is now
121938984 (4k) blocks long.
450 [05:16:14] <hop> so?
451 [05:16:25] <k`> just running this by you bc i've gotten
pretty spotty advice on #linux
452 [05:16:29] <k`> now when i run fdisk -l
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454 [05:16:42] <k`> ./dev/nvme0n1p2 1050624 976562500 975511877
465.2G Linux filesystem
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456 [05:16:48] <k`> it's not teh full 500GB
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458 [05:16:59] <k`> does 465 make sense? maybe its by diff blocks
or whatever
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461 [05:19:22] <hop> probably the 500 are not calculated in 2**x
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463 [05:20:04] <k`> okay, cool, so by your account this looks
correct
464 [05:20:26] <hop> sure, but i'm drunk and tired, so who
gives a toss…
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519 [06:15:35] <fuxxy> I'm using a systemd unit file to have
a service user authenticate to kerberos before starting the service.
However, it appears that the kinit unit is being ran and the realm
server isnt available, or the unit is being ran before the network
connection is up. Are there any checks I can include in the service
file so krb5 auth isnt attempted if the realm is not available?
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531 [06:26:39] <idlestranger> fuxxy remember that you can use
options like Wants= Before= and After. eg if you have a systemd unit
to refresh a kerebros ticket chances are you'll want to have
Wants=network-online.target and After=network-online.target in the
unit section somewhere after the unit description
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546 [06:52:11] <mnt_grrrl> what torrent tracker does debian use?
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548 [07:01:28] <fuxxy> bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce
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553 [07:05:12] <fuxxy> idlestranger, I already have that in the
[Unit] section. Also, in the [Install] section, I have
"WantedBy=multi-user.target". I wonder if the stage
multi-user.target is before the kerberos stuff is active.
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558 [07:11:13] <T-zef> jmcnaught i got it working !
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560 [07:11:36] <idlestranger> multi-user.target is essentially
runlevel 3 in the systemV world. it denoates having setup a non gfx
multi-user shell. whereas say graphical.target (runlevel 15) is
having set up a graphical user shell. if you're running the
system without a de you should be using multi-user.target for
services you want to run at start-up. if you're using a DE on
the machine and you want the service to start after
561 [07:11:42] <idlestranger> the DE has started, then you use
graphical.target
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563 [07:12:11] <T-zef> both assaultcube was needed to run on same
version 1.2
564 [07:12:35] <T-zef> 1.1 vs 1.2 not good
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566 [07:13:22] <fuxxy> idlestranger, thanks for that. All seems
legit then - I'm running a headless install, so runlevel 3 is
accurate.
567 [07:15:12] <idlestranger> yep
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571 [07:16:12] <fuxxy> I'm authenticating to ActiveDirectory
DC, There's a chance that in the bootup race between this
machine and Windows server, this machine is winning. After boot, all
I need to do is log in via SSH and restart the service issuing kinit
for the user, and it always completes successfully.
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573 [07:17:39] <idlestranger> hmm
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575 [07:19:32] <idlestranger> i know i did something similar for
a mysql server awhile back but i can't remember what i did to
solve it. might take some google-fu.
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582 [07:25:48] <idlestranger> i assume systemctl status
yourkerberosservice name doesn't show errors when it wins the
race?
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588 [07:30:06] <idlestranger> fuxxy try ExecStartPre=/bin/sh -c
'until ping -c1 windowsDC; do sleep 1; done;'
589 [07:30:48] <idlestranger> obviously replacing windowsDC with
the appropriate hostname or staticip
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591 [07:35:04] <idlestranger> if you need a larger window after
your DC starts responding to network, you should be able to just
increase the duration of sleep at the end of the ExecStartPre line
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599 [07:49:28] <fuxxy> idlestranger, I don't think it's
ever won the race. I haven't attempted to reboot just the
debian VM yet
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601 [07:50:11] <fuxxy> I suppose I could try it now - I'm
not involved in anything yet
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603 [07:52:15] <fuxxy> Rebooted *just* the debian VM, and both of
my service user's kinit's are failed
604 [07:52:34] <fuxxy> I guess that rules out that theory
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630 [08:27:49] <hanasaki> where in the exim debian config do you
make TLS only an option ? 1.3
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696 [09:53:41] <jelly> hanasaki, I have no idea about exim, but
there will probably be separate settings for TLS for server
(incoming), and TLS for client (outgoing) connections
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703 [10:01:00] <LiquidS> Hello World :) Small issue has arisen on
my Debian 10 laptop with full disk encryption: I apt-update
&& apt-upgraded last night and now I can no longer decrypt
my drive on boot. Error message reads: "libgcc_s.so.1 must be
installed for pthread_cancel to work" How can I decrypt this
drive so I can boot again ? Or how to downgrade libgcc ?
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708 [10:02:57] <jelly> LiquidS, can you boot properly using an
older kernel?
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723 [10:11:39] <jack2019> bash: fdisk: command not found, apt
install fdisk: already the newest...
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727 [10:13:52] <jmcnaught> jack2019: did you maybe become root
with "su"?
728 [10:14:07] <LiquidS> jelly, yes, 4.19.0.12 still works
729 [10:14:12] <Onyx47> jack2019: fdisk is not in PATH for a
regular user, use sudo or log in as root
730 [10:14:46] <jack2019> I am as root
731 [10:15:35] <avu> !buster su
732 [10:15:35] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). See
replaced-url
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736 [10:20:05] <jack2019> dpkg, you are correct, export
PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin is the correct way to add the
path?
737 [10:20:05] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
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739 [10:21:16] <jmcnaught> jack2019: if you have been using
"su" then just start using "su -l" and you will
have the correct root PATH.
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747 [10:25:32] <ratrace> ohlol I just realized.... after all this
time.... that dpkg _resembles_, not _resents_, that remark......
awesomebot.
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750 [10:26:34] <jack2019> JmaJeremy, thank you
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752 [10:27:34] <ratrace> in the good old days of text adventures,
the good ones had all kinds of responses for invalid input. Should
add more of that to bash. "Omg, the prompt is giving me
attitude!"
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755 [10:28:08] <jelly> LiquidS, good, do an apt-get dist-upgrade
as well, they try to rebuild initramfs for the latest kernel
756 [10:28:15] <ratrace> afaik only sudo can do that, but you
need to rebuild it "with insults"
757 [10:29:04] <jelly> were those disabled recently?
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759 [10:29:30] <ratrace> they're still in sudo. just sudo on
debian ain't built with them enabled.
760 [10:29:58] <jelly> since when
761 [10:30:24] <ratrace> dunno, since always?
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765 [10:30:54] <jelly> not always. sudo used to insult me.
766 [10:31:15] <jelly> I guess I haven't mistyped the
password in a while
767 [10:31:19] <ratrace> heh
768 [10:32:09] <ratrace> too bad that can't be a
configuration option, but a compile time one. esp. since the
"non-PC / racist" ones can be _separated_ as well, so only
the CoC-friendly insults can remain
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770 [10:32:19] <jolt> Just add "Defaults insults" to
sudoers file
771 [10:33:07] <ratrace> HOLY COW!
772 [10:33:20] <ratrace> why..... wth.... all this time I thought
it was compiled OUT
773 [10:33:22] <jelly> !jolt++
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777 [10:34:26] <jolt> I must add this to my default deploy
playbook, forgotten how awesome and confused people get :D
778 [10:34:37] <ratrace> jolt: you sir or madam, win a thousand
internets this semi-fine, cloudy with a chance of snow, monday
morning!!!
779 [10:35:13] <jolt> ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
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781 [10:36:03] <ratrace> well I see what happened. I've had
to enable compile-time options on FreeBSD and Gentoo and somehow I
thought that was it and I never bothred to look deeper into the
code....
782 [10:36:26] <ratrace> ass umptions.........
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785 [10:36:59] <ratrace> ahhhh. sudo is finally calling me
burrito brains again. mmmmmmh.
786 [10:37:09] <jelly> this isn't your source-based
distro/os
787 [10:38:27] <ratrace> jelly: indeed I've been poisoned by
the paradigms of source based distros too much, and I should start
looking deeper into debian/rules every time there's an ass
umption again
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789 [10:39:02] <ratrace>
replaced-url
790 [10:40:33] <jolt> That's one of the best options ever
791 [10:40:43] <yogoyo> --with-all-insults?
792 [10:41:10] <jolt> Yeah
793 [10:41:16] <jolt> It's just beautiful
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798 [10:42:16] <ratrace> I wish more cli code had things like
that. maybe not specifically insults, but attitude.
799 [10:42:38] <ratrace> bash: asdf: command not found is so
........ bland and tasteless.
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801 [10:43:24] <yogoyo> ubuntu had a tool for this with a similar
name
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803 [10:43:53] <yogoyo> "do you mean this or are you missing
a package"
804 [10:44:22] <ratrace> ah, that's not attitude,
that's actually a nice tool that finds packages for missing
commands. like an interactive apt-file thingy something
805 [10:44:32] <yogoyo> yup
806 [10:44:36] <ratrace> %s/interactive/automatic/
807 [10:44:36] <jelly> ,i command-not-found
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809 [10:44:51] <ratrace> judd's still MIA ...... :(
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811 [10:45:13] <jelly> ,i command-not-found
812 [10:45:16] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional)
in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive
bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k
813 [10:45:45] <jelly> I have no idea why it disconnects from
freenode so often
814 [10:46:14] <jelly> I do have an idea why it does not rejoin
#debian afterwards
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816 [10:47:16] <idlestranger> I agree, prompts need more sass.
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822 [10:49:44] <rendar> how can i query apt get to see what is
the newest available postgres version i can install in my system?
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824 [10:50:34] <setpill> How do I install apt-cacher-ng
noninteractively? Writing a Dockerfile with a line
`DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y
--no-install-recommends apt-cacher-ng` but it keeps interactively
asking for a yes/no answer, blocking the build.
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826 [10:52:53] <azeem> rendar: in general, apt.postgresql.org
provides all currently upstream supported postgresql versions for
Debian
827 [10:52:57] <jelly> rendar, apt-cache policy postgresql ?
828 [10:53:59] <jelly> setpill, perhaps you need preseed some or
all the answers
829 [10:54:12] <rendar> azeem: problem is that 'armfh'
is not available there
830 [10:54:15] <LiquidS> jelly, I will try what you suggest.
First part should pose no problems, and for the second part I will
have to use Google-fu :)
831 [10:54:20] <setpill> jelly: how do I do that?
832 [10:54:27] <jelly> rendar, "armhf" is a better
spelling to try
833 [10:54:29] <azeem> rendar: then what jelly said
834 [10:54:33] <rendar> yep sorry
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836 [10:54:37] <rendar> ok
837 [10:55:13] <rendar> i get this
replaced-url
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839 [10:55:25] <jelly> LiquidS, update-initramfs is the command
to use
840 [10:55:47] <LiquidS> jelly, roger that ! Thank you very much,
o wise one :)
841 [10:55:50] <azeem> rendar: those are not armhf
842 [10:55:58] <rendar> sorry, wait
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844 [10:56:22] <jelly> rendar, you don't seem to have armhf
enabled as foreign arch at all?
845 [10:56:34] <rendar> i'm booting into raspberry, wait
846 [10:57:03] <rendar> i correctly get this
replaced-url
847 [10:57:06] <jelly> rendar, if you're running raspbian,
ask in #raspbian or #raspberrypi -- their "armhf" is
different from Debian's "armhf"
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849 [10:57:36] <rendar> :(
850 [10:57:42] <azeem> rendar: sounds legit
851 [10:58:11] <rendar> azeem: ok, so the 11 version is the pg
version i'd get with `sudo apt-get install postgresql` without
specifying postgresql-NN, right?
852 [10:58:53] <jelly> rendar, also look at "apt-cache show
postgresql" and see which package it Depends on, and look at it
apt-cache show ... as well
853 [10:59:11] <azeem> rendar: that's the only one anyway
854 [10:59:20] <rendar> good
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856 [10:59:32] <rendar> now i have to extrapolate the exact
string "11" from that output
857 [10:59:33] <jelly> but yes, in general the metapackage
version will correspond to upstream version
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861 [11:00:44] <jelly> rendar, note that it's not
"postgresql" that brings the actual server, it just pulls
in the right version of other, real server packages via dependencies
862 [11:01:17] <rendar> jelly: yeah, but that will happen with
`sudo apt-get install postgresql` automatically, i guess - right?
863 [11:01:32] <jelly> that's the idea
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865 [11:01:39] <rendar> now i have $1M question
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867 [11:01:57] <jelly> but if you're look for actual
version, you want to look at the package that really ships the
server
868 [11:02:18] <rendar> yeah, how to do that?
869 [11:02:20] <jelly> rendar, so... WHY are you looking for the
version?
870 [11:02:30] <jelly> I just told you how.
871 [11:02:48] <rendar> wait
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874 [11:03:02] <rendar> one thing once, first of all i have this
question:
875 [11:03:32] <rendar> this is the standard way to install a
custom version of postgresql according to the pg website:
replaced-url
876 [11:03:36] <rendar> (script is mine)
877 [11:03:48] <jelly> setpill,
replaced-url
878 [11:04:04] <setpill> Thanks, will read
879 [11:04:15] <rendar> now, how can i determine that way of
installing pg FAILED because armhf doesn't exist in that
repository? and so i can try the normal `sudo apt-get install
postgres` ?
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889 [11:08:13] <jelly> rendar, what way of installing
890 [11:08:56] <rendar> it seems that installing `postgres-11`
works in raspberry
891 [11:08:58] <jelly> apt-cache only shows information about
repo and local state
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893 [11:09:46] <jelly> rendar, noone suggested installing
postgresql-number explicitely
894 [11:10:02] <rendar> i know, but my installing script does
that for several reasons
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896 [11:12:32] <rendar> so, since my script is version-based, i
need some procedure to get the minimum available version of postgres
i can install, so if my script wants to install postgresql-12, it
checks that 11 is the minimum available on armhf, and installs
postgresql-11
897 [11:13:19] <azeem> then do that
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901 [11:17:17] <rendar> how? what is the best method to check
postgres minimum version? grepping "11" from `apt-cache
policy postgresql` ?
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912 [11:26:15] <azeem> rendar: it's not our problem, on a
regular debian system, just "apt install postgresql" and
be done
913 [11:27:13] <ratrace> besides..... "wants 12, checks for
11, and installs 11" sounds like an XY problem.
914 [11:27:33] <rendar> it's now your problem, but those are
your tools.. it's like asking a question about MongoDB in
#mongodb, my very custom problem hardly is a problem acountered by
MongoDB authors, but they will try to answer for a solution
915 [11:27:38] <rendar> not*
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918 [11:29:32] <ratrace> rendar: anyhoo, to check for available
versions of a software given the currently enabled repos, one uses
apt-cache policy <package>
919 [11:29:52] <rendar> yeah
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921 [11:30:10] <rendar> i'm using `apt-cache policy
postgresql|awk '/Candidate:/ { split($2, version,
"+"); print version[1] }'` for now
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924 [11:30:44] <azeem> great
925 [11:30:56] <ratrace> uhm.... isn't that Candidate the
_latest_ version available?
926 [11:31:12] <ratrace> you said you wanted the opposite
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928 [11:32:14] <ratrace> so yeah, this now reeks of an XY
problem. and really, I don't understand the logic. scripts
wants version X, so you install X-1 .... why doesn't it want
X-1 then....
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949 [11:50:15] <rendar> how to get rid of those notifies from
apt-get?
replaced-url
950 [11:51:24] <azeem> remove the repos from sources.list
951 [11:51:49] <azeem> or ignore them
952 [11:51:59] <rendar> or remove the files if they are indo .d
directories, right?
953 [11:52:07] <azeem> 11:51 < azeem> remove the repos from
sources.list
954 [11:52:16] <rendar> ok
955 [11:52:20] <azeem> I assumed you are familiar with the .d
stuff
956 [11:52:26] <rendar> yep, thanks
957 [11:53:31] <yogoyo> ,v ruby
958 [11:53:32] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- jessie:
1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.3; buster: 1:2.5.1; bullseye:
1:2.7+2; sid: 1:2.7+2; experimental: 1:2.7.2~exp1
959 [11:54:03] <yogoyo> ,v -t backports ruby
960 [11:54:04] <judd> No package named '-t' was found
in amd64.
961 [11:54:47] <jelly> if there was a version in backports it
would have been listed with ,v
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965 [11:59:47] <yogoyo> the local version ($HOME) finally behaves
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977 [12:19:11] <noisemaker> "df -h" tell me that / is
full, but "du -sh /" doesn't show me directories with
relevant usage size. Reboot?
978 [12:20:18] <azeem> du -sh just shows summary information
979 [12:20:35] <azeem> maybe use du --max-depth=1 | sort -n
980 [12:20:39] <azeem> and then drill down
981 [12:22:11] <noisemaker> azeem: that command show me the same
size for dirs at /
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983 [12:23:23] <azeem> every dir has the same size?
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995 [12:33:22] <ratrace> and instead of drilling down with du,
use ncdu
996 [12:37:42] <jelly> noisemaker, or du -x / | sort -n | tail
-n30
997 [12:37:55] <jelly> and don't forget -x for du next time
998 [12:38:29] <jelly> and run du as root
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1005 [12:50:20] <noisemaker> jelly: what should appear?
1006 [12:50:23] <noisemaker> azeem: yes
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1032 [13:10:10] <NeoCron> mabye a dumb question, but I have a
problem with a manually installed .deb from vagrantup.com, when I
try to run apt update && apt full-upgrade it trys to install
all dependencies of the official vagrant package from debian stable
and downgrade the installed vagrant to the one from the official
repository
1033 [13:10:38] <NeoCron> never had this problem when installing
external software, but I guess it was always packages not to be
found in the official repositories
1034 [13:11:10] <NeoCron> what can I do to resolve this? Can I
somehow tell apt to ignore the vagrant package and it dependencies
when updating?
1035 [13:11:11] <Mister00X> NeoCron: are you on testing or
unstable
1036 [13:11:19] <NeoCron> stable
1037 [13:11:49] <Mister00X> NeoCron: in that case use apt upgrade
not apt full-upgrade because full-upgrade is able to remove packages
1038 [13:12:15] <NeoCron> but doesnt it hold back packages that
would otherwise be updated?
1039 [13:12:46] <Mister00X> it holds packages back that would
cause removal of other packages
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1041 [13:13:31] <NeoCron> hm
1042 [13:13:39] <NeoCron> same problem
1043 [13:13:54] <Mister00X> it wants to remove packages?
1044 [13:14:07] <NeoCron> downgrade and install dependencies
1045 [13:14:24] <Mister00X> hmmm this is indeed strange
1046 [13:14:39] <NeoCron>
replaced-url
1047 [13:14:49] <NeoCron> german system, but I hope you get the
gist of it
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1049 [13:15:03] <wsky> LANG=C
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1055 [13:26:30] <NeoCron> I feel stupid, but I still dont get it
:( - the only problem is, that apt knows about the package? because
all it does it put stuff in /opt and symlink to /usr/bin
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1057 [13:27:21] <NeoCron> could I use dpkg-deb to extract it,
rename the package to something else and install it again to prevent
this?
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1059 [13:27:34] <ksk> NeoCron: a "program" is not
self-contained, it has depenencies against the rest of the linux
system (aka libraries)
1060 [13:27:35] <NeoCron> seems like the only issue is, that there
is an official package with the same name
1061 [13:27:45] <wsky> my advice is - don't install packages
that make your system a frankendebian because you will run into
issues like this
1062 [13:27:54] <ksk> !frankendebian
1063 [13:27:54] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
1064 [13:28:10] <wsky> if you like doing stuff like this use
gentoo instead
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1067 [13:29:04] <NeoCron> ksk but shouldnt the .deb contain
information about those dependencies? Can we somehow display those?
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1069 [13:29:47] <wsky> if that package had dps you will have no
way to install it at all
1070 [13:29:50] <NeoCron> as far as I can see, it has its own /lib
/bin /lib64, etc in /opt
1071 [13:30:00] <wsky> because the deps would not be met
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1073 [13:30:11] <wsky> listen, what you could do is extract the
package
1074 [13:30:32] <wsky> and install it to something like /usr/local
1075 [13:30:35] <wsky> or /opt
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1077 [13:30:47] <wsky> and use it from there manually
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1080 [13:31:33] <wsky> but don't install it via dpkg globally
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1082 [13:32:50] <wsky> ok i'm done here, i have nothing more
to say
1083 [13:32:54] <NeoCron> so the gist of it is, never install .deb
packages with dpkg -i, gdebi, etc, better use ./configure, make,
make install?
1084 [13:33:02] <ksk> oof.
1085 [13:33:28] <ksk> that is totally not what wsky said.
1086 [13:34:15] <NeoCron> Seems I dont get it...
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1089 [13:35:58] <azeem> NeoCron: did you try putting it on hold
1090 [13:36:00] <azeem> !hold
1091 [13:36:00] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the
package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a
package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or
'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to
<stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other
package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set
with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>,
<unhold>.
1092 [13:36:03] <ratrace> did anyone suggest apt-mark
hold'ing vagrant?
1093 [13:36:10] * azeem ^5s ratrace
1094 [13:36:13] <ratrace> oh hell... ^5 :)
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1098 [13:40:46] <jelly> noisemaker, directories taking up most
space at the bottom
1099 [13:41:27] <jelly> hey, nice to-the-fifth
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1103 [13:44:59] <ratrace> oh shi, that remind me, I had a reniced
process on the server I need to disengange....
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1106 [13:47:15] <noisemaker> jelly: the values don't match
the usage % of the disk.
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1112 [13:57:10] <azeem> noisemaker: maybe pastebin them somewhere,
this is not leading anywhere
1113 [13:57:12] <azeem> !pastebin
1114 [13:57:13] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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1116 [13:59:27] <jelly> also,
1117 [13:59:30] <jelly> !list deleted files
1118 [13:59:30] <dpkg> well, list deleted files is to list open
file handles for deleted files run as root: lsof -n +L1
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1121 [14:00:37] <jelly> noisemaker, files deleted from a directory
but still open by one or more unning processes will not be shown in
du, but still take space until all the processes die or close the
files
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1124 [14:02:03] <CrystalMath> and if the system powers off before
that happens, they remain orphaned inodes
1125 [14:02:16] <CrystalMath> fsck can fix those
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1127 [14:04:52] <jelly> normal journal replaying cleans those up
at mount time, in all modern filesystems
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1130 [14:05:04] <jelly> (like, ext3 and newer)
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1133 [14:05:58] <Vatum> how can i download only the source package
of a debian package?
1134 [14:06:11] <jelly> !deb-src
1135 [14:06:11] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source
package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a
"deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like
"deb-src
replaced-url
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1137 [14:06:41] <jelly> Vatum, make sure those are enabled, then
apt-get source packagename
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1147 [14:15:13] <Vatum> deb-src
replaced-url
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1149 [14:15:30] <Vatum> this i presume, i have build-essential
installed.
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1151 [14:16:22] <noisemaker> jelly: probably is what is appening.
How can I check that files?
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1157 [14:22:04] <Vatum> jelly, i also want to get a source package
from buster-backports, can i use the same line replacing buster with
buster-backports?
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1166 [14:28:15] <jelly> noisemaker, by using what dpkg, the bot,
said about !list deleted files, above
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1168 [14:29:08] <jelly> Vatum, you can use the same -t
buster-backports syntax, or packagename=version syntax, as with
apt-get install
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1170 [14:29:43] <jelly> Vatum, but yes you need deb-src enabled
for the desired repo
1171 [14:29:56] <Vatum> jelly, also is there a way to list all the
versions of source packages for a package
1172 [14:30:05] <Vatum> i want all source versions of ejabberd
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1174 [14:31:18] <jelly> Vatum, they should match the binary
package versions. Also, visit tracker.debian.org/ejabberd
1175 [14:31:41] <noisemaker> jelly: ty
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1178 [14:31:54] <Vatum> thanks
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1181 [14:32:23] <jelly> noisemaker, also, if unsure, show the info
a'zeem asked a while ago
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1186 [14:35:24] <noisemaker> jelly: fixed. I just restarted a
service.
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1190 [14:38:39] <Vatum> i get this error: (it works though)
1191 [14:38:40] <Vatum> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as
root as file 'ejabberd_18.12.1-2.dsc' couldn't be
accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission
denied)
1192 [14:38:56] <jelly> that's a Warning not an Error
1193 [14:39:14] <jelly> Vatum, you should apt-get source as a
normal user.
1194 [14:39:14] <Vatum> do i need to run it as normal user?
1195 [14:39:19] <Vatum> oh ok
1196 [14:39:32] <NeoCron> azeem that worked, no problems now! many
thanks =)
1197 [14:40:06] <jelly> Vatum, it downloads files in current
directory and unpacks the source tree in a subdir
1198 [14:41:28] <NeoCron> related question for the future: what
would be the best way to use software in debian stable, that is not
from the official repositories, without creating trouble with apt or
creating frankendebian, etc?
1199 [14:41:50] <NeoCron> are .deb-Files generally a no-go?
1200 [14:42:33] <Vatum> i see two versions: debian/20.04-1_bpo10+1
and debian/20.04-1 . whats that bpo10+1 a special version? you can
see it here in the source code tags:
replaced-url
1201 [14:43:33] <azeem> NeoCron: which version of vagrant do you
require?
1202 [14:43:36] <Vatum> oh seems its the rebuild for backports
1203 [14:43:45] <Vatum> the original is unstable
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1205 [14:43:56] <jelly> ,v ejabberd
1206 [14:43:57] <judd> Package: ejabberd on amd64 -- jessie:
14.07-4+deb8u3; stretch: 16.09-4; stretch-backports:
18.12.1-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.12.1-2; buster-backports:
20.12-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 20.12-1; sid: 20.12-1
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1208 [14:44:05] <Brigo_> NeoCron,
replaced-url
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1210 [14:44:20] <jelly> Vatum, where did you find 20.04 anything
1211 [14:44:39] <Vatum>
replaced-url
1212 [14:44:51] <Vatum> i will just get the git and use the
version i want from the tree
1213 [14:45:16] <NeoCron> azeem preferably the newest, since the
majority is using it on windows with auto updates
1214 [14:45:32] <jelly> Vatum, what's your actual goal here?
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1217 [14:45:53] <NeoCron> with hold its fine for now, but I wonder
what I have been doing wrong all those years
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1220 [14:47:13] <azeem> I think that vagrant .deb is just weird
1221 [14:47:17] <NeoCron> I used dbeaver the same way I tried with
vagrant for about 10 years, give or take
1222 [14:47:23] <NeoCron> so that really hit me hard
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1224 [14:47:50] <azeem> NeoCron: can you pastebin the output of
apt policy vagrant?
1225 [14:48:28] <NeoCron> azeem
replaced-url
1226 [14:49:01] <azeem> hrm
1227 [14:49:10] <azeem> ,v vagrant
1228 [14:49:11] <judd> Package: vagrant on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6.5+dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.9.1+dfsg-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports:
2.0.2+dfsg-3~bpo9+1; buster: 2.2.3+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.2.9+dfsg-1;
sid: 2.2.9+dfsg-1
1229 [14:49:19] <azeem> the unstable package is somewhat behind as
well
1230 [14:49:59] <NeoCron> I dont think there has been significant
development in vagrant since 2018, so even the stable version might
be fine
1231 [14:50:09] <NeoCron> I just did not think it would create so
much trouble
1232 [14:50:11] <azeem> NeoCron: anyway, I don't know why apt
thinks it should downgrade from 1:2.2.14 to 2.2.3, probably due to
the massively higher buster score of 2000
1233 [14:50:34] <azeem> that sounds like you changed something
somewhere
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1236 [14:51:00] <NeoCron> not to my knowledge
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1238 [14:51:09] <NeoCron> how can I check it?
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1241 [14:51:49] <NeoCron> i tried to read up about apt pinning, in
search of a solution for vagrant, but I did not change anythink
except putting it on hold with your command
1242 [14:52:29] <Vatum> jelly, the goal is to extract the apparmor
profile which the debian package includes (but the upstream .deb
package i used doesn't), modify it to have the correct file
paths for the upstream version and use it
1243 [14:52:33] <Vatum> i presume its this:
replaced-url
1244 [14:52:52] <Vatum> i also want to see the differences of this
file between versions, which i can do with git now
1245 [14:53:36] <Azrael_-> hi
1246 [14:53:57] <azeem> NeoCron: it should be something in
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d
1247 [14:54:02] <azeem> though no idea what specifically
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1249 [14:54:50] <freem> how can I use apt to get title and
description of a package?
1250 [14:55:06] <Azrael_-> i'm running an apache in my lan
forwarded by a nat. i want to enable the external access to the
apache only on demand. don't want to do in in the nat as this
resets all connections. what option beside this can you suggest? my
best idea would be to use iptables to block the port from the
nat-ip. the apache still has to be online even if the external
access is blocked
1251 [14:55:17] <freem> ah, apt show, of course. Sorry.
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1253 [14:57:13] <jelly> Vatum, then yeah, it's easier to just
diff through salsa git than download dozens of deb-src
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1258 [14:59:06] <Vatum> jelly, also when i have a .deb package,
how can i see where it would install everything? i have two .deb
packages (upstream and debian) and put the executable and libraries
at different paths
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1260 [14:59:18] <Vatum> i want to see those, so i can modify the
file to the correct paths
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1274 [15:00:18] <NeoCron> azeem
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1276 [15:00:34] <wsky> a pinning
1277 [15:00:35] <wsky> right
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1284 [15:04:34] <jelly> Vatum, dpkg --contents foo.deb (man
dpkg-deb)
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1320 [15:22:05] <NeoCron> hm, when I delete /etc/apt/preferences
and unhold vagrant its fine
1321 [15:22:23] <NeoCron> but it wants to upgrade ca-certificates,
dnsutils and tzdata to the versions from backports
1322 [15:23:15] <NeoCron> I dont see any reason to install those,
but maybe I have some backported package installed that depends on
them? Is there a good way to check?
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1326 [15:24:50] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
1327 [15:24:50] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
replaced-url
1328 [15:24:53] <jelly> NeoCron, ^^
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1333 [15:30:16] <NeoCron> jelly I pasted those in the past hours,
but I dont think they are relevant anymore since the problem is
already solved and Im just poking at stuff trying to figure out why
it went wrong in the first place^^ - the current question would be:
how to list all packages installed from backports and their
dependencies
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1335 [15:30:24] <NeoCron> listing backports seems to be dpkg-query
-W | grep '~bpo'
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1337 [15:31:06] <NeoCron> still working on figuring how to check
if one of the 3 packages mentioned are in the list of dependencies
of that dpkg-query -W | grep '~bpo' list
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1340 [15:32:35] <jelly> NeoCron, "it wants to upgrade"
is a new issue worth pasting again
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1348 [15:37:05] <NeoCron> jelly
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1349 [15:37:28] <NeoCron> I dont know how to show that those are
bpo packages
1350 [15:37:33] <greycat> (hint for pastebin.com: replace the
final / with /raw/ )
1351 [15:37:34] <NeoCron> I checked with synaptic
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1356 [15:45:07] <NeoCron> on another note I just realized that I
dont need backports at all... everything from backports is from when
my system was still Debian 9 - after the upgrade to Debian 10 I
could revert them all to stable packages ... guess I'll be
rummaging through the garbage I piled up for quite a while
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1363 [15:52:21] <jelly> NeoCron, and the rest? "apt-cache
policy ca-certificates dnsutils tzdata" and "apt-cache
policy"
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1365 [15:53:53] <NeoCron>
replaced-url
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1370 [15:54:47] <NeoCron>
replaced-url
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1372 [15:56:09] <greycat> Hmm, looks like you need to replace the
/p/ with /d/ for this one.
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1377 [15:59:33] <jelly> NeoCron, that all seems kosher. You added
buster-updates repo, so you're getting newer ca-certificates
and tzdata ahead of the point release, but that's not
backports. You'd get those in the next point release anyway.
dnsutils you got installed from backports at some point in the past,
so you get upgrades from the backports repo
1378 [16:00:14] <jelly> maybe you needed newer "dig" or
something
1379 [16:00:32] <NeoCron> actually I did need a newer dig at some
time :D
1380 [16:01:01] <jelly> !stable-updates
1381 [16:01:01] <dpkg> buster-updates is a suite providing updates
to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a
<point release>. All packages from buster-updates will be
included in point releases.
replaced-url
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1383 [16:01:48] <NeoCron> didnt even know I had those activated,
nor what they are
1384 [16:01:49] <jelly> you could comment out or remove
buster-backports, then look for
1385 [16:01:52] <jelly> !no available
1386 [16:01:55] <NeoCron> guess I just set the checkbox on install
1387 [16:01:55] <jelly> !not available
1388 [16:01:56] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have
installed now, that are not available from any repository in your
sources.list: aptitude search
'?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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1391 [16:02:21] <ratrace> arcane
1392 [16:02:31] <jelly> [^n][^o]
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1394 [16:04:01] <jelly> stable-updates are in the recommended
sources.list these days, that's probably why you enabled those
at some point
1395 [16:04:05] <jelly> !buster sources.list
1396 [16:04:05] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Buster" has the lines: "deb
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1397 [16:06:18] <NeoCron> I'm getting quite a big list from
those "not available" query:
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1398 [16:06:35] <NeoCron>
replaced-url
1399 [16:07:22] <jelly> most of those are old libs and stuff that
does not exist in debian 10 any more
1400 [16:07:29] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
1401 [16:07:30] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 --
stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch:
8u252-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u252-b09-1~deb9u1; sid:
8u275-b01-1
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1403 [16:08:14] <jelly> and old transitional package, live icedove
that got renamed back to thunderbird a while back
1404 [16:09:12] <NeoCron> is it fine to leave it like this? Or
should those be removed?
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1406 [16:09:49] <NeoCron> not sure if I still need them, since I
have some really old eclipse versions running, I guess I do need
them for that
1407 [16:09:51] <jelly> investigate whether you really need any of
that stuff, and remove
1408 [16:10:24] <jelly> if you need java 8, you'll have to
add back stretch repos to get secureitypatches
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1410 [16:11:06] <NeoCron> you can just add old-stable
repositories?
1411 [16:11:29] <jelly> yes, that creates a lot less problems than
adding repos for a newer branch
1412 [16:12:00] <jelly> !stretch-lts
1413 [16:12:00] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 9
"stretch" from the Debian Security Team ended July 6 2020.
The <LTS> team will continue to provide limited security
support for some architectures and a subset of packages until June
30 2022 (total 5 year life). See
replaced-url
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1415 [16:13:11] <jelly> LTS team does rebuild jdk 8 right now, the
packages are up-to-date even if our bot doesn't think so
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1417 [16:13:17] <NeoCron> wow, that never occurred to me
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1419 [16:15:15] <jelly> 8u275-b01-1~deb9u1 990
1420 [16:15:15] <jelly> 990
replaced-url
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1422 [16:16:17] <jelly> (LTS team reuses and uploads their stuff
to the exact same repo that was managed by Debian Security team
before that)
1423 [16:17:35] <jelly> but the scope is limited; not all packages
are covered, and only some architectures
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1427 [16:21:58] <mazet> so i accidentally dd'd an ISO file
over a LUKS encrypted volume, so overwriting about 1 gb at the
beginning of the disk. is this recoverable or should i foget about
it ?
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1431 [16:25:19] <H4ndy> If you can restore the partition/files
table somehow you may be able to rescue something
1432 [16:25:22] <NeoCron> do you have a backup of the LUKS headers
mazet? - I dont know much about it, but from what I read those are
essential
1433 [16:25:34] <H4ndy> but since that is usually stored at the
start of the partition I doubt there's much to rescue
1434 [16:25:58] <NeoCron> btw doesnt LUKS put a backup of those at
the end of the partition, too?
1435 [16:26:06] <jelly> mazet, is the encrypted volume still open?
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1437 [16:26:28] <mazet> NeoCron: i was looking for them, im not
sure if i did take a backup of them at the time or if i just cant
find them
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1439 [16:26:38] <mazet> jelly: im pretty sure it was closed at the
time of the mishap
1440 [16:26:49] <jelly> sounds like you're SOL
1441 [16:27:00] <mazet> yeah thats my assumptoin as well
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1443 [16:27:39] <mazet> its an external drive that had a mix of
stuff on it, i cant even completely remember what was there. but i
think ill replace it and keep it around in case i think of something
sometime, although i guess that i am indeed SOL
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1448 [16:29:36] <jelly> well good thing is _noone_ can recover it
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1458 [16:35:31] <Elodin> Hi, i have this live system/ssd that I
would like to backup in case something were to happen to the disk.
So i would buy another disk and restore. Would rsyncing the / dir
work or should i dd the disk?
1459 [16:35:34] <H4ndy> Ubuntu wiki says that LUKS headers are
stored at the start of the partition and it does not make a backup
of it, so it's safe to assume your data is gone
1460 [16:35:41] <Elodin> whatś the proper way of doing so
1461 [16:35:49] <ratrace> there are 100 kinds of people in the
world. those who understand binary, those who don't, and among
them those who have backups, and those who never dd'd their
LUKS partitions :)
1462 [16:35:58] <CrystalMath> that happened to me once, i lost the
password for a LUKS disk
1463 [16:36:06] <CrystalMath> right after installing debian
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1466 [16:36:20] <CrystalMath> had to install again, as everything
was on an encrypted partition
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1468 [16:37:03] <ratrace> Elodin: rsyncing / works just fine,
that's what I do, but I do it from the btrfs snapshot to ensure
atomicity of the copy.
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1471 [16:38:26] <Elodin> ratrace: you mean you don't copy
while it's running?
1472 [16:38:52] <ratrace> I mean I use btrfs, I make snapshots of
entire /, then I rsync from that snapshot (which is frozen)
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1474 [16:39:11] <Elodin> yeah mine isnt on a btrfs
1475 [16:39:21] <ratrace> btrfs is not a rquirement, you can rsync
any filesystem, but without atomic snapshots, you'd want to
ensure the filesstem is not in the middle of a change when oyu rsync
it
1476 [16:39:33] <greycat> A snapshot means you run a command that
"freezes" a copy of the current file system in place
(turns on copy-on-write for all future changes, so the changes go in
a different place). Then you back up the snapshot. Then you run
another command that releases the copy-on-write changes and syncs
them back to the main file system.
1477 [16:40:12] <jelly> Elodin, rsync once, stop services, rsync
again to shorten downtime for the duration of the actual cold backup
1478 [16:40:23] <jelly> if you can't snapshot
1479 [16:40:38] <ratrace> greycat: that mostly applies to LVM.
systems like btrfs or ZFS behave differently
1480 [16:40:51] <greycat> If you're running ext4 on top of
LVM *with* available space in the volume group, you can do snapshots
at the LVM level.
1481 [16:41:12] <koollman> Elodin: rsync is better than dd for
most situations. Preferably use a real backup program (like
borgbackup, restic, or dozens of other options). Also, to help
restore quickly, backup the partition tables, it helps making a new
disk look like the old one quickly
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1499 [17:03:16] <JyZyXEL> im still using backuppc and it's
exciting to see the new 4.x.x series coming to bullseye
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1503 [17:06:49] <JyZyXEL> seems i've done almost 10,000
nightly backups with the backuppc 3.x.x
1504 [17:07:10] <yogoyo> bullseye -> OFTC/debian-next :P
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1517 [17:25:18] <jelly> ,v bup
1518 [17:25:19] <judd> Package: bup on amd64 -- jessie: 0.25-1;
stretch: 0.29-3; bullseye: 0.31-2+b1; sid: 0.31-2+b1; experimental:
0.32~git20201223-1
1519 [17:25:29] <jelly> huh!
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1526 [17:31:22] <ratrace> oh, shi.... upgraded the work/gaming pc
thing.... forgot to upgrade le UPS too
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1528 [17:31:29] <ratrace> WrongChan(tm)
1529 [17:31:36] <greycat> le oops
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1531 [17:31:47] <Haohmaru> busted
1532 [17:32:07] <ratrace> I need le new oops indeed. a 600W one,
vs 250 I gots now
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1534 [17:33:17] <T-zef> anyone who play at AssaultCube on Debian ?
1535 [17:34:21] <ratrace> !anyone
1536 [17:34:21] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1537 [17:35:42] <T-zef> yaaa ! folks who know how to change skins
at AssaultCube on debian ? most of solution on web is for M$
1538 [17:36:51] <jelly> I know someone who has a gaming pc thing.
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1540 [17:37:42] <T-zef> lol, it's about the path to place the
skin i got lost
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1545 [17:44:04] <Vatum> is there a reason why this apparmor
profile for package ejabberd is in complain mode?
1546 [17:44:04] <Vatum>
replaced-url
1547 [17:44:23] <Vatum> it will just log violations but allow them
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1556 [17:49:07] <cren> hey! the jdk packages are supposed to
provide `javax.swing`, right?
1557 [17:49:19] <azeem> Vatum: I'm not sure Debian packages
are supposed to enforce apparmer policies, maybe check debian-policy
1558 [17:49:49] <cren> I'm getting "package javax does
not exist" when I try to compile a program that imports swing
1559 [17:50:13] <Vatum> azeem, so should i modify the apparmor
profile to enforce? i am trying to figure if they put it in complain
because they are uncertain if it will work in enforce or not
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1566 [17:59:41] <azeem> Vatum: I don't know anything about
apparmor, sorry
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1733 [20:13:52] <polardroid> hello having an issue installing
Debian to 2nd nvme, install appears ok but will not boot,
complaining about amdgpu firmware, any advice ?
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1735 [20:15:17] <greycat> sounds like it boots just fine, but
doesn't run your GUI... my suggestion would be to boot in
non-GUI mode and install the firmware
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1737 [20:15:26] <greycat> !multi-user.target
1738 [20:15:27] <dpkg> Under systemd, graphical.target runs a
<dm> and multi-user.target doesn't. You can add
«systemd.unit=multi-user.target» to the kernel params to
skip the DM once, or run «systemctl set-default
multi-user.target» to change permanently. See also
<nodm>.
1739 [20:16:18] <polardroid> I was thinking whiskey and a 2 day
vacation would be easier
1740 [20:16:58] <greycat> "amdgpu" also implies quite
new hardware, which may be an issue if you're running the
current stable Debian
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1743 [20:17:44] <polardroid> the build is recently 1 yr old fairly
new
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1745 [20:18:11] <polardroid> run Mint 19.3 on 1st nvme it has no
issues
1746 [20:19:13] <polardroid> yes trying to load Debian 10.7
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1760 [20:25:45] <polardroid> would the "testing version"
improve my chances?
1761 [20:26:47] <greycat> I would guess "yes",
especially if you install using an installer that has the firmware
on it.
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1763 [20:28:09] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1767 [20:30:24] <polardroid> ok thanks greycat and dpkg, that
should keep me busy a while ; )
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1785 [20:47:22] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: I wish they would pull the
"unofficial" directory out of the path for that :P
1786 [20:49:06] <dob1> how can I do a cat * in a directory but
view the filename too before the output of the content fo the file ?
1787 [20:49:32] <dob1> a bash for loop ?
1788 [20:49:53] <greycat> tail -n +1 -- *
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1790 [20:50:12] <greycat> or, yes, a for loop would also work
1791 [20:50:35] <dob1> nice the tail one!
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1794 [20:56:58] <jelly> sponix2ipfw, images with non-free firmware
will never be official
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1797 [20:59:20] <jelly> goes directly against Debian Social
Contract, which is basically a constitution-level document for this
distro
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1843 [21:21:09] <otisolsen70> I have debian 10 installed on a new
laptop. For some reason it goes to sleep/standby after a while as
well as when I close the lid. How do I (from command line) prevent
this from EVER happening? I never want it to sleep. I want to
disable all sorts of power managemnt features that might cause this.
1844 [21:21:12] <jezebel> how do i stop a network interface from
becoming the default route/gatway?
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1854 [21:24:00] <dob1> greycat, I don't understand what the
-- does in the tail command you suggested, it seems the same
with/without it
1855 [21:24:25] <freem> dob1: it allows to make sure filenames
won't be interpreted as options
1856 [21:24:38] <dob1> ah ok!
1857 [21:24:46] <freem> for example if you have a file named
"-rf" and you do "rm *"
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1859 [21:25:00] <freem> doing "rm -- *" instead prevents
problems
1860 [21:25:22] <dob1> ah, interesting
1861 [21:26:36] <freem> not all commands do it, though.
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1864 [21:27:33] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: for suspending when the
lid is closed look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf for HandleLidSwitch=
and related directives. Instead of editing that file directly you
can put snippets in /etc/systemd/logind.conf.d/
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1870 [21:34:33] <greycat> Every POSIX command is required to
respect -- except for test and echo. Other commands outside of the
POSIX spec are hit and miss indeed, but most of the *good* ones will
respect --.
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1874 [21:36:42] <freem> greycat: is not find a POSIX command?
1875 [21:36:44] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, it is
#HandleLidSwitch=suspend
1876 [21:36:53] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, is that default?
1877 [21:36:59] <freem> (but yeah, it would not apply there
anyway)
1878 [21:37:05] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: yes.
1879 [21:37:08] <greycat>
replaced-url
1880 [21:37:18] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, what are valid options?
1881 [21:37:30] <freem> yep, no "--" option
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1883 [21:38:12] <otisolsen70> JmaJeremy, what about suspending
after some amount of time then?
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1886 [21:38:33] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: you probably want ignore
but check "man logind.conf" for the details.
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1888 [21:39:15] <rander2> hello
1889 [21:39:40] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I just set all to ignore.
But that is on lidclose. What about it just suspending after some
time? Maybe an hour or so
1890 [21:39:54] <rander2> why if I change wifi mac address, and
after connect to AP, the mac address return real ?
1891 [21:40:23] <greycat> Well, the POSIX page for find says find
should follow the Utility Syntax Guidelines that mandate -- as end
of options.
1892 [21:40:47] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: what is your desktop
environment? Under GNOME you go to Settings, then Power,
there's a setting there for automatic suspend. Other DEs will
probably have something similar.
1893 [21:40:50] <greycat> It's not *entirely* clear where you
draw the line between options, predicates and actions for find
because it's such a special snowflake.
1894 [21:40:53] <freem> but for find, it would not be really
useful
1895 [21:40:55] <rander2> I must change mac address while I'm
connect to station AP, so it remains changed
1896 [21:41:18] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I do not use desktop. I
think all of them are installed, though. I use it as a server.
1897 [21:41:24] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, I SSH into it.
1898 [21:41:38] <otisolsen70> jmcnaught, not possible to disable
without GUI?
1899 [21:42:15] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: it is not clear *what* is
suspending your system after an hour, but there are probably clues
in the system journal/logs.
1900 [21:42:26] <greycat> It might be possible to argue that
Debian's find command has a bug here, but I doubt anyone would
fix it. It's probably related to GNU find's insistence on
using "." as the default starting path if you omit all
pathnames, which is not valid in POSIX find.
1901 [21:43:18] <freem> interesting, I didn't knew POSIX find
would not do that
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1903 [21:44:23] <greycat> HP-UX's find is giving me
"Usage: find path-list [predicate-list]" from "find
-- ." so maybe it's just a thing that nobody implements.
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1905 [21:44:52] <freem> not surprising
1906 [21:45:01] <jmcnaught> otisolsen70: maybe if you have
"systemctl get-default" saying graphical.target you should
run "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" so that no
display manager will be started on boot.
1907 [21:45:42] <freem> debian's find accept the -- option
though, but I would not bet on what it does
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1909 [21:46:48] <greycat> Debian's accepts "find --
." but not "find -- -foo" (even if I mkdir -- -foo
first)
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1911 [21:48:14] <greycat> so I guess it's one notch less
buggy than HP-UX's
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1916 [21:52:31] <freem> busybox find gives the help, too
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1930 [22:08:13] <rander2> how to persistently change MAC address ?
1931 [22:08:18] <jhutchins> Um, manpage?
1932 [22:08:21] <greycat> *plonk*
1933 [22:08:37] <yogoyo> :)
1934 [22:09:52] <yogoyo> ,v eggdrop
1935 [22:09:53] <judd> Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6.21-4; buster: 1.6.21-4+b1; stretch: 1.6.21-4+b1; bullseye:
1.8.4-1; sid: 1.8.4-1
1936 [22:10:11] <jhutchins> Sorry greycat. Lookin' at my
keyboard.
1937 [22:10:24] <rander2> plonk for me?!
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1948 [22:29:41] <n4dir> if that is what you search for i can offer
you one.
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1950 [22:33:12] <jhutchins> rander2: I think that was for
suggesting the manpage when an authoritative answer had already been
given.
1951 [22:33:28] <rander2> ok
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2002 [22:47:30] <bigMouthCommie> i did a fresh install,
2003 [22:47:30] <bigMouthCommie> sudo apt install screen emacs
2004 [22:47:30] <bigMouthCommie> then did "sudo
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install freedombox" per
replaced-url
2005 [22:47:30] <bigMouthCommie> and i had to manually start
apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 start, and now im showing the
default index.html instead of the freedombox page
2006 [22:47:50] <bigMouthCommie> any suggestions?
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2014 [22:52:04] <polardroid> thanks again, thats all it took - a
"nonfree" version to remedy that amdgpu firmware bugaboo
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2026 [23:01:48] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: did you go to /plinth?
2027 [23:02:08] <bigMouthCommie> no
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2029 [23:03:05] <bigMouthCommie> is that from / ?
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2033 [23:04:48] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: I don't have
freedombox installed I just downloaded the package, looked at the
contents and read /etc/apache2/sites-available/plinth.conf
2034 [23:05:19] <jmcnaught> bigMouthCommie: you might need to
"a2ensite plinth" if it is not already symlinked in
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
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2041 [23:12:00] <bigMouthCommie> thanx. looks like it ships with a
syntax error? so i'll fix this tomorrow
2042 [23:12:10] <bigMouthCommie> jmcnaught: thanx again
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2054 [23:21:51] <erle-> Will Gnome 40 be delayed in Sid because
Debian 11 Freeze?
2055 [23:22:15] <jhutchins> bigMouthCommie: I would expect
freedombox to have a basic checklist tutorial.
2056 [23:23:24] <jhutchins> erle-: Not paying too much attention
to the release, but I would expect that 40 won't be hitting
testing, so there's no point of putting it in sid until after
the release.
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2058 [23:24:10] <jhutchins> erle-: Remember, sid is not a release
or distribution, it's a staging location for packages going to
testing.
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2069 [23:28:35] <n4dir> though you don't really realize it
while using it, jhutchins
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2087 [23:43:15] <jhutchins> "I never have any problems with
it" translates as "I don't know anything about the
problems other people have with it".
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2089 [23:44:50] <n4dir> i didn't speak of problems, i spoke
of it feeling like a distribution
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2092 [23:45:14] <deadrom> hi
2093 [23:45:31] <deadrom> can I use an old Adaptec 5405 controller
in debian?
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2097 [23:47:39] <n4dir> and it looks like at least some part of
the official debian website would agree on that term:
replaced-url
2098 [23:48:26] <jhutchins> bumblebee
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2110 [23:54:58] <jerry> i upgraded to
xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64 a few weeks ago and suddenly i have no
ethernet interfaces
2111 [23:55:07] <jerry> any ideas?
2112 [23:55:19] <freem> maybe check on #ubuntu?
2113 [23:55:33] <jerry> its debian what's the dif
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2115 [23:56:23] <freem> if there is no diff, why do you install
ubuntu?
2116 [23:56:49] <jerry> was what i downloaded first, had no
preference
2117 [23:57:09] <jerry> i'll go over there
2118 [23:57:22] <freem> ubuntu is derived from debian unstable,
which means they change the package from debian unstable (and
contribute back sure)
2119 [23:57:31] <freem> you are on a chan dedicated to debian
stable
2120 [23:57:44] <jerry> ok
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2122 [23:58:05] <freem> so, you are more likely to find help on an
ubuntu chan.
2123 [23:58:25] <freem> because they'll know if that's a
known issue with the changes they introduce, for example
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