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0[00:00:16] <missmbob> without upgrading to a newer kernel i
think you're screwed. buy a new usb wireless
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2[00:00:55] <missmbob> you could just see if 4.9 has fixed
your bug. kernels do get fixes
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4[00:01:47] <somiaj> might also just need to install the
kernel microcode from non-free too
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5[00:01:49] <budder> missmbob:
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6[00:02:16] <missmbob> budder: that's up to 4.2. not 4.9
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7[00:02:51] <budder> o
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8[00:03:14] <missmbob> and i have to go. good to see somiaj is
here. good luck
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9[00:03:17] <budder> missmbob: i'm pretty sure I had
several kernels past 4.2 and still was affected by this bug
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10[00:03:34] <budder> missmbob: okay thank you
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12[00:04:44] <somiaj> budder: I notice that the end of that
report people are reporting a patch that works if applied to the 4.9
kernel (unsure if it is in it yet)
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13[00:05:12] <budder> somiaj: i tried that patch and still
suffered the freezing
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19[00:05:46] <somiaj> budder: do you have the kernel micorcode
installed. AT this junction have you checked if there is record of
this bug in the debian BTS?
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21[00:06:04] <budder> somiaj: no idea what you are talking
about
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22[00:06:13] <budder> somiaj: i'm new
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23[00:06:21] <somiaj> !microcode
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24[00:06:21] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for
implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux
kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode
patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as
intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the
relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me
about <non-free sources>.
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25[00:06:34] <somiaj> budder: firmware for the cpu
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33[00:09:22] <budder> somiaj: how about this?
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36[00:09:51] <somiaj> I'm unsure if that includes the
microcode or just firmware for say wifi devices
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69[00:23:20] <budder> somiaj: i am attemping the instructions
on that page
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71[00:23:25] <budder> i have downloaded the two packages
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74[00:24:06] <budder> somiaj: i am using a window 10 pc. now
that i have downloaded those two packages, what exactly are my next
steps? the instructions are a little advanced forme
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77[00:24:35] <somiaj> !firmware installer
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78[00:24:35] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
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79[00:24:40] <somiaj> !firmware images
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80[00:24:40] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
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82[00:24:48] <dvs> firmware iso?
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83[00:24:53] <somiaj> ^^ use that second thing the bot outputed
to get a firmware iso.
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90[00:27:49] <budder> somiaj: i don't understand
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94[00:28:21] <budder> somiaj: i am trying to extract the two
packages into the debian installation media. i am unsure how
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98[00:28:43] <dvs> budder, those are installation media with
the firmware included.
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101[00:29:31] <somiaj> budder: I gave you a link to an image
that has all the non-free firmware included (though unsure if it
contains the microcode)
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102[00:29:38] <somiaj> well I had the bot give it
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103[00:29:49] <budder> dvs: i already tried that but
installation was still missing the files
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106[00:30:49] <ttl-> is it possible to boot from an USB
flashdrive and load GRUB2 which is on my first hard drive ?
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108[00:31:39] <ttl-> i'm struggling with an acer laptop
which won't boot linux from hdd
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109[00:31:49] <ttl-> GPT UEFI
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112[00:32:00] <budder> somiaj: i already tried that image and it
still gave me the same error
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113[00:32:03] <budder> about the missing files
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115[00:32:06] <ttl-> the is no legacy boot option in the bios
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119[00:33:24] <jasonwc> Is there a way to backport a package
from Jessie to Wheezy, where the build process is actually run on
Jessie? Otherwise, I need to manually backport all of the build
dependencies first, which is rather painful.
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122[00:34:26] <CeBe> jasonwc: to build a binary, and link it to
libaries of a specific version, that version of the library should
be available on the system
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124[00:34:49] <CeBe> so I do not think there is an easy way to
do this
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126[00:35:15] <CeBe> jasonwc: why do you want to backport
something to wheezy?
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129[00:36:55] <jasonwc> CeBe: I am running Samba from Backports
on my Wheezy server serving files and media streaming to Linux and
Windows clients, and it had been working perfectly for 2 years. Then
I moved my main desktop to Windows 10 and I started getting
"panic or segfault in samba" messages.
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131[00:37:12] <somiaj> jasonwc: you can do it in a chroot, or
use a tool like pbuilder
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132[00:37:34] <somiaj> jasonwc: so build a wheezy chroot on your
jessie machine, compile inside the chroot, copy the .deb over
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133[00:37:35] <jasonwc> CeBe Yeah, I thought pbuilder was made
for this, but the only guide I found was for Ubuntu
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134[00:37:38] <jasonwc>
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135[00:37:59] <somiaj> debian wiki has info about pbuilder,
sbuild as well. Or you can just manually build a chroot with
debootstrap
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138[00:38:46] <jasonwc> Is there a guide for using chroot? I was
following the Debian Administrator's Manual for instructions on
doing the building but Samba just has too many build dependencies. I
ran through about 10 and gave up.
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139[00:38:57] <jasonwc> It mentions pbuilder, but offers no
guidance on usage.
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140[00:39:00] <CeBe> jasonwc:
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141[00:39:13] <jasonwc> thanks
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142[00:39:48] <CeBe> I have not read it so not sure it contains
all information you need but the title sounds just like what you
need
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143[00:40:28] <CeBe> about chroot, there is
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186[01:02:17] <Emil> Hi
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187[01:02:39] <Emil> I just downloaded thw latest non free iso
image from debian cd downloads
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190[01:03:27] <ryouma> is it possible to tell whether an error
is hardware or software? "lost page write due to I/O error on
dm-4" on external drive.
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191[01:03:41] <Emil>
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193[01:03:49] <Emil> This one specifically
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195[01:04:06] <Emil> And now on install it says that "bad
archive mirror"
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196[01:04:18] <budder> how can i extract firmware into the
installation media?
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197[01:04:22] <somiaj> Emil: how did you copy this iso to your
install medium?
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199[01:04:29] <dvs> Emil, the non-live one would be a better one
to do an install with
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201[01:04:35] <ryouma> two days later i got these errors:
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202[01:04:39] <budder> downloaded two separate .debs and need
them load onto the installation media
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203[01:04:39] <Emil> In the section configure the package
manager
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205[01:04:47] <Emil> And select mirror
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206[01:04:52] <Emil> somiaj: dd
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207[01:05:04] <somiaj> Emil: as dvs said, try the offical
installer, no the live images
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208[01:05:05] <Emil> dvs: I wantes to download the desktop
environment directly
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209[01:05:13] <somiaj> budder: what .deb's did you
download?
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217[01:05:42] <Emil> somiaj: the live images only differ in that
they have the desktop environment on boars
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218[01:05:45] <Texou> ryouma: in general I/O errors are due to
lack of space or hardware problem in my experience
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219[01:05:59] <ryouma> Texou: thanks.
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220[01:06:00] <somiaj> Emil: the installers differ, espically if
you are using the installer from inside the live image.
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221[01:06:03] <budder> somiaj: firmware-iwlwifi_0
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222[01:06:07] <ryouma> Texou: smartctl says no problems
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223[01:06:07] <Emil> somiaj: Im not
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224[01:06:12] <budder> 0.43_all.deb
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226[01:06:20] <Emil> somiaj: Iselected the install non graphical
version
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227[01:06:21] <ryouma> no offline uncorrectable, and no pending
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229[01:06:25] <somiaj> budder: this is already on the non-free
.iso you have been pointed to. Why not just use that iso?
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230[01:06:32] <somiaj> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
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231[01:06:33] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free:
20161130-2~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-2; sid/non-free:
20161130-2
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232[01:06:38] <Texou> ryouma: and have you checked the
filesystem?
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233[01:06:41] <budder> somiaj: firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
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234[01:06:57] <Emil> So if someone could confirm my issue
that'd bw great
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236[01:06:59] <budder> somiaj: it is not on it
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237[01:07:00] <somiaj> budder: that is on the non-free iso as
well, just use the one that is already made.
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238[01:07:07] <somiaj> budder: it is, what makes you think it
isn't?
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239[01:07:13] <budder> somiaj: i tried twice already
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240[01:07:24] <Emil> If someone could whip up a virtualbox or
similar quickly
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242[01:07:28] <somiaj> budder: newer realtek or intel wifi cards
may need a newer kernel and/or firmware, but that is a different
issue.
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243[01:07:31] <ryouma> Texou: i unmounted then did fsck -f,
which reported that it was fine. should i check using anything more
sophisticated?
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245[01:07:34] <Emil> Sweden didnt have the file either
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247[01:08:02] <Texou> ryouma: and when do I/O errors appear?
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248[01:08:08] <budder> how can i extract those two .debs into
the disk image?
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249[01:08:12] <budder> using windows
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250[01:08:13] <Emil> So I'm led to believe that you have a
broken setting on the instalö media
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251[01:08:19] <ryouma> Texou: first appeared 2d ago
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252[01:08:20] <Emil> yeah USA doesnt have it eiter
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254[01:08:23] <Emil> either*
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255[01:08:36] <Texou> ryouma: but what action were you doing?
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257[01:08:49] <Emil> So if someone could relay this message to
the people responsible foe that archive and/or the media
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259[01:08:57] <Emil> that'd be great
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263[01:10:24] <budder> somiaj: can you please just help me
extract those two files
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264[01:10:29] <Texou> probably a package to report a bug to
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265[01:10:44] <ryouma> Texou: typically all i do with it is
rsync. i do not know for sure the first couple of errors, but the
next bunch were at rsync time.
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266[01:10:54] <ryouma> (next meaning a couple of hours later 2d
ago)
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267[01:11:19] <Texou> ryouma: and are you sure you've
enough space on disk?
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268[01:11:39] <ryouma> Texou: yes
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270[01:12:18] <Texou> ryouma: in logs, do you see some further
info about possible on/off of the disk
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272[01:13:44] <ryouma> Texou: yes, actually, several hours
before the i/o error
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274[01:13:47] <Emil> somiaj: dvs
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276[01:13:51] <Emil> please advice
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279[01:14:11] <Texou> ryouma: may be a power problem as well
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280[01:14:23] <ryouma> Texou: culminating in "sd 14:0:0:0:
[sdf] Attached SCSI disk" which is strange because it is
supposed to be on sdc
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281[01:14:36] <ryouma> s/on //
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282[01:14:45] <dvs> Emil, you alright have my advise: use the
non-live installer
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284[01:14:52] <Emil> dvs: i am
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287[01:15:06] <ryouma> Texou: it is usb powered. maybe i will
try rear ports. however, it has worked for years.
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288[01:15:23] <Texou> ryouma: yes I've a similar problem
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290[01:15:33] <dvs> Emil, what's the name of the ISO
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291[01:15:47] <Texou> ryouma: the electric power is damaged I
think, so I need to iind the good place to avoid plugging/unplugging
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292[01:16:04] <Texou> otherwise, it mounts/unmounts and
generates I/O errors
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294[01:16:13] <Emil> dvs: The non live install of the iso I use
is identical to the install of the non live version. The only
difference is thay the desktop environment comes on the disk, which
I want
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295[01:16:18] <Texou> it's all the more possible as
it's an old disk
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296[01:16:26] <Emil> dvs: as previously linked
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297[01:16:29] <dvs> Emil, no, they're not
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298[01:16:35] <ryouma> Texou: i wonder if i should get a y
connector
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299[01:16:37] <Emil> dvs: yes they are
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300[01:16:40] <Emil> and you know it
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301[01:16:41] <dvs> the installer behaves different.
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302[01:16:46] * missmbob pulls dvs' teeth
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303[01:16:52] <ryouma> (i don't understand the electronics
here so don't know if htat makes sense)
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305[01:17:10] <Emil> dvs: mind spinning up a vm to confirm my
issue
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307[01:17:29] <Texou> ryouma: dunno. It's often a simple
problem of cable, but also just a kind of positioning the disk
properly
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313[01:19:08] <Emil> dvs: hey
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314[01:19:19] <Emil> dvs: I can even quote the page for you
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315[01:19:21] <Emil> There are two types of image here:
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316[01:19:21] <Emil> "netinst" install CDs that also
include firmware to make installation easier
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317[01:19:21] <Emil> live images including firmware packages
pre-installed
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320[01:19:48] <dvs> Emil, nope. I've tried installing using
the live image and it is definitely different than the normal
installer.
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321[01:19:48] <Emil> sigh
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322[01:20:14] <Emil> dvs: well, if you are associated with
debian mind changing that page then
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326[01:20:43] <Emil> dvs: because you seem to not want to
acknowledge your issue here
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329[01:21:18] <dvs> ha! Mine is installed (using the
netinstall). I have no problems here.
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330[01:21:24] <ealfonso> how do I set up the default mailto:
link handler in debian?
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331[01:21:54] <Emil> dvs: >Closed. cannot replicate on
different parameters hurr durr
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332[01:22:08] <CeBe> ealfonso: I think that depends on the
desktop env you are using. are you on Gnome3?
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333[01:22:13] <Emil> dvs: how about you try to install the same
one
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334[01:22:26] <Emil> just select install in the menu
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335[01:22:44] <ealfonso> CeBe I'm using stumpwm
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336[01:22:58] <CeBe> ealfonso: hm no idea then :)
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337[01:23:06] <CeBe> I could tell you for gnome
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338[01:23:06] <ealfonso> How does firefox invoke the default
mail program?
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339[01:23:46] <ealfonso> it looks like firefox is invoking mutt
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341[01:24:58] <Emil> somiaj: how about you?
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342[01:25:04] <Texou> ealfonso: I'd say in Settings, Apps
or Contents tab?
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343[01:25:36] <CeBe> ealfonso:
replaced-url
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345[01:26:14] <ealfonso> CeBe that's all gnome specific
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346[01:26:16] <CeBe> the second answer talks about
~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and also has a comment
about mailto handler
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348[01:26:37] <CeBe> is that file also a gnome thing?
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354[01:27:11] <Emil> debhelper: mods?
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358[01:28:23] <Emil> I dont want to spam the mailinglists
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370[01:34:23] <Emil> wow
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371[01:34:36] <Emil> you broke security.debian.org, too
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372[01:34:41] <Emil> nice to know
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373[01:34:56] <Emil> At least on this install
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375[01:35:35] <themill> by 'you' you mean
'I'?
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376[01:36:17] <themill> (more specifics and less obscure and
uninterpretable jibes will get you better help)
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377[01:36:31] <Emil> themill: well, if you can break the
systeminstall by following the debian instructions
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379[01:36:44] <themill> vague...
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382[01:37:08] <themill> "the instructions" is about as
meaningless as you can get
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383[01:37:45] <Emil> themill: download debian 8.7.1 live and try
to install it
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385[01:37:52] <Emil> from
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388[01:38:42] <missmbob> which you shouldn't do. use the
real installer.
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389[01:38:49] <themill> You've already been told it's
better not to use the live images... (that would have nothing to do
with security.d.o)
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391[01:39:17] <Emil>
replaced-url
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395[01:39:45] <Emil> missmbob: so I shoulsnt use the provided
and regularly updated downloads that include the necessary deivers
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396[01:39:52] <Emil> even though it is provied by devian
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398[01:40:04] <missmbob> Emil: not the live version no
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399[01:40:12] <themill> You should use the installation media to
do installs. That's been said to you several times now.
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401[01:40:32] <themill> You can believe us or not. I don't
care. There's nothing to discuss about it though.
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402[01:40:33] <Emil> themill: how about you troubleshoot the
problem instead of being silly
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404[01:40:49] <Emil> themill: okay what install includeds the
fesktop environmwnt?
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405[01:40:51] <themill> !doesn't work
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406[01:40:51] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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408[01:40:59] <CeBe> Emil: I have not seen you describing a
problem in any more detail than "it does not work"
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409[01:41:13] <themill> It's impossible to troubleshoot
problembs when all you get is "it doesn't work #include
<rant>"
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410[01:41:26] <Emil> CeBe: can you not read?
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411[01:41:32] <Emil> Nor you?
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413[01:41:39] <themill> Emil: real commands and real output.
Last warning.
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414[01:41:41] <Emil> The proöem was already desrcibed above
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415[01:42:04] <themill> [11:34] <Emil> you broke
security.debian.org, too ← is that supposed to be your problem
description?
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417[01:43:36] <coruja> !ask
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418[01:43:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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425[01:45:01] <Emil> themill: super bad management wwhen you
dont even bother to lastlog and threaten with banning. Such awesome
moderator you are. Configuring the package manager is broken. None
of the links on any counth work and produce an error on bad archive
mirror. In addition they fail to reach security.debian.org
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427[01:45:44] <themill> I have read lastlog and only found the
most useless of vague statements hence asking 3 times for details.
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428[01:45:45] <coruja> error output pls, else no-one can really
help
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431[01:46:00] <CeBe> Emil: I can "reach"
security.debian.org just fine.
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432[01:46:20] <Emil> CeBe: noht, hence broken build
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433[01:46:29] <CeBe> wat?
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434[01:46:29] <themill> Emil: is your network even configured?
do any websites work? Are you still in the installer or are you
still installing?
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435[01:46:32] <Emil> coruja: pictures? sure
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436[01:46:38] <themill> You know, details...
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439[01:48:16] <coruja> Emil, and a less complaining tone would
increase chances of getting help too
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444[01:50:31] <phen> Hello/ I'm wondering why module
configuration options in an /etc/modprobe.d conf file would be
ignored. I'm explicitly setting those options, but when i do
modprobe.info, the configs dont show up
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446[01:52:32] <phen> is there any other way to set kernel module
options besides a file in modules.d?
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448[01:53:33] <somiaj> phen: what module? What options? what did
you do after you added them?
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449[01:53:37] <r3dhax> help
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450[01:53:39] <r3dhax> help
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451[01:53:45] <somiaj> !ask
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452[01:53:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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453[01:54:36] <Emil> coruja: when the answer you get is
"fuckoff and use the other version" you kind of get annyed
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454[01:54:48] <Emil> and when people dont even bother to look at
the latlog
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455[01:55:05] <themill> Emil: seriously...
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458[01:56:35] <Emil> Apparently the install succeeds in network
configuration but doesnt actually get internet (tested an hour ago,
the device can access internet on the old os just fine)
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459[01:56:46] <Emil> Switched to wlan and now we are going
forwars
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460[01:57:00] <Emil> themill: yes, seriously
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461[01:57:04] <themill> If it's not actually on the network
then that would explain every single error message that comes after
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462[01:57:07] <CeBe> so you have internet with wlan?
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466[01:58:13] <themill> (and we'd really appreciate it if
you provided such details an hour ago rather than making us guess
for an hour and try to wade through the rants to find the details)
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469[01:58:23] <Emil> themill: I do and the network configuration
succeeds so gg on not telling the user that eth0 doebt actually work
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471[01:58:44] <Emil> themill: do you seriously want me to
compile the lastlog foe you?
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473[01:58:57] <themill> I have it in front of me and have done
so for a while...
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475[01:59:15] <Emil> Apparently not
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476[01:59:17] <CeBe> Emil: do you still have any errors or is
your problem solved?
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480[01:59:30] <Emil> CeBe: eth0 is connectwd and
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481[01:59:41] <Emil> passes the network configuration
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485[02:00:28] <coruja> Emil, actually you seem to want ppl here
to do something for you, so it's up to you to provide details,
even repeatedly if necessary
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487[02:01:16] <Emil> but dropping into the shell and testing I
get no result
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489[02:01:23] <themill> testing how?
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490[02:01:26] <themill> testing what?
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493[02:02:04] <Emil> ping 8.8.8.8
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497[02:02:28] <CeBe> Emil: and what does that return?
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498[02:02:39] <Emil> 100% packe loss
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500[02:03:39] <CeBe> paste the output of sudo ifconfig and ip
route
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501[02:03:52] <missmbob> ifconfig -a
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504[02:06:39] <Emil> Installed it using my phones internet
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505[02:06:47] <Emil> And itworks just fine now
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506[02:06:58] <Emil> So sometjing bad is going on in the
instaler
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508[02:07:24] <missmbob> it's the wrong one
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509[02:07:29] <Emil> CeBe: doyoustill want the rpaste of those?
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510[02:07:40] <CeBe> Emil: I have no idea what you are doing
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512[02:07:58] <Emil> missmbob: what installer contains the
desktop environment?
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514[02:08:11] <Emil> CeBe: you asked for those pastes
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515[02:08:24] <missmbob> i'm not doing that again
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516[02:08:25] <themill> Any of the installer images can install
any desktop environment.
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517[02:08:30] <Emil> Do you only care about them from during
install or after install also
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518[02:08:30] <CeBe> Emil: every installer can install a desktop
environment
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519[02:08:43] <Emil> Nahit
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520[02:08:47] <Emil> noshit*
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521[02:08:57] <Emil> but they download it feom the interwt
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525[02:09:33] <CeBe> Emil: I don't get it, are you stuck
with a problem somewhere or not? does the ping work now or not?
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526[02:10:00] <Emil> And the page is very clear on the install:
the ony difference is hat duringnormal terminal install we avoid
downloading the desktop environment because it is already on the
install media
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527[02:10:34] <coruja> Emil, as you chose the xfce live iso,
you'll get xfce installed at first (which can be changed later
ofc)
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528[02:10:41] <Emil> CeBe: I couldnt continue the install
through eth0 even though it works after install and before install
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529[02:10:51] <Emil> coruja: yes
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530[02:10:53] <Emil> I know
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531[02:11:15] <Emil> CeBe: So I installed through my phones wifi
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533[02:11:54] <Emil> Do you care of the paste you asked foe
still
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535[02:12:18] <Emil> or would you only care for one from during
theinstall
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536[02:12:25] <CeBe> no, as that would not reflect the situation
where it did not work
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537[02:12:33] <Emil> Alrigty
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538[02:12:39] <coruja> iirc you even needn't internet
connection at all to complete the (a bit out of date) desktop
installation
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539[02:12:48] <somiaj> lets just move on, you got it to work and
since things have changed no sense debugging what was wrong with
your network configuration during the install.
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540[02:12:48] <Emil> Iknow
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542[02:13:39] <Emil> somiaj: well, to avoid other people from
coming here and asking about the same issue I recommend someone
marks this on the list of investigate if tiw
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543[02:13:45] <Emil> time*
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545[02:14:21] <CeBe> Emil: without any info more than "it
did not work for someone in some way" this is not really useful
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546[02:14:41] <Emil> CeBe: what info would you like to have
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547[02:15:03] <CeBe> the one I asked for above but that seems
impossible to get
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548[02:15:05] <themill> !installation report
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549[02:15:05] <dpkg> installation report is, like,
replaced-url
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550[02:15:32] <themill> (assuming the installer on the live
images leaves such logs around afterwards)
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551[02:15:45] <somiaj> Emil: this is not the place to make notes
of bugs, we try to help/support people who run into issues. If you
think it is a bug, repeate the install, reporudce the bug and report
it.
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553[02:16:05] <somiaj> though it would be better if you could
reproduce it on an offical installer over the live one.
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554[02:16:23] <themill> Given that this is (a) hardware specific
and (b) on the live installer, I doubt anyone will ever spend time
on it other than to try it, find it works for them and move on.
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559[02:18:25] <wz> hello
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560[02:18:56] <wz> who help me with video in skype? kali 8-)
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561[02:19:03] <somiaj> !kali
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562[02:19:03] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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565[02:19:21] <somiaj> wz: we don't support kali linux
here, please use their support and for skype, you should try the
webapp.
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566[02:19:23] <wz> thx
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567[02:19:27] <wz> im read
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575[02:23:49] <budder> hello
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584[02:32:02] <budder> is it possible to add firmware packages
AFTER installing debian?
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585[02:32:10] <petemc> yes
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586[02:32:28] <budder> how?
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588[02:32:35] <ratherstrange> dpkg -i firmware package
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589[02:32:35] <dpkg> package firmware package is already
installed
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593[02:33:08] <budder> without internet
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595[02:33:27] <budder> i don't have access to the network
on the computer with debian installed on it
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596[02:33:40] <ratherstrange> You could use external media such
as a USB flash drive, or a smartphone.
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597[02:33:47] <themill> You can download the package from
packages.debian.org
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601[02:37:47] <dTal> has anyone implemented IP over flash drive?
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602[02:38:09] <Emil> Apparently the issue was with the router
requiring authentication. It should probably warn about that during
network testing. Please add a note about checking the network
authorisation for future reference
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603[02:38:19] <budder> ratherstrange: okay but then how would i
install them>
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605[02:38:35] <ratherstrange> You would do something like the
following:
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606[02:38:38] <budder> the .deb files
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608[02:38:57] <themill> dpkg: tell Emil about reportbug
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609[02:39:01] <petemc> dTal: flash drive is storage medium not
network node
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610[02:39:21] <themill> Emil: as already mentioned, IRC is
hopeless for reporting bugs
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611[02:39:32] <Emil> themill: not for me
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612[02:39:34] <Emil> for you
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613[02:39:36] <dTal> petemc: you'd wear out your USB port
for sure
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614[02:39:47] <ratherstrange> Download the firmware onto a flash
drive or smartphone, then copy them to your home folder. Once
they're there, you can open up a terminal, and depending if you
chose to use a root password, switch to root and type dpkg -i
firmware-example
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615[02:40:03] <Emil> When someone else comes whining about eth0
not working, suggest checking the authorisation
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617[02:40:10] <petemc> dTal: usb network devices exist
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619[02:40:24] <dTal> petemc: it was a joke, relax
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620[02:40:40] <petemc> good one
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624[02:41:16] <themill> Emil: contrary to expectations, I
don't spend all my time in #debian
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626[02:41:48] <missmbob> i didnt even know that's what you
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628[02:41:57] <dTal> RFC 1149 should do the trick though
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630[02:42:47] <budder> ratherstrange: is there a writeup on this
online?
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631[02:42:55] <budder> or a wiki page?
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643[02:49:06] <JC_SoCal> can anyone help me with this sed
statement? the search text is correct, yet it doesn't perform
the replacement: sed -ie
"s\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id'\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id'
--unrestricted\g" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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651[02:52:06] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: 1. backslash is an escape
character, better use / instead 2. $boot will be replaced as a shell
variable so you should escape the $
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652[02:52:30] <JC_SoCal> ahhh -- i was messing with the
backslashes -- but the $boot i wasn't aware of thank you
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653[02:53:13] <CeBe> it will be replaced inside doulbe quotes
but not inside single quotes
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654[02:53:24] <budder> where do i extract the deb files on the
installer?
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655[02:53:35] <budder>
replaced-url
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657[02:54:26] <budder> i have downloaded the zip file and am now
looking to extract it. options are: .disk, boot, css, dists, etc
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658[02:54:43] <budder> doc, efi, firmware, install, install.amd,
isolinux, pics, pool, tools
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672[02:59:14] <AlexLikeRock> budder, do you try install firmware
?
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677[03:00:42] <budder> AlexLikeRock: i am trying to figure out
where to extract it
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679[03:01:18] <Haroldal> ust...
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680[03:01:18] <Haroldal> Just ate a burger at the sleazy joint
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681[03:01:18] <Haroldal> Now I gotta take a shit, get to the
point
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682[03:01:26] <Haroldal> Sittin' on the toilet, my ass is a
blast
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683[03:01:26] <Haroldal> Runnin' smelly diarrhea outta my
ass
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684[03:01:33] <Haroldal> No fuckin' paper
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685[03:01:33] <Haroldal> Hey baby lick my ass 'til your
face turns blue
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687[03:01:42] <Haroldal> You're finished rimmin' me
and you want some more
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688[03:01:42] <Haroldal> Ya say ya don't flush but your out
the door
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690[03:01:55] <Haroldal> I'm back in the...with a cup
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691[03:01:55] <Haroldal> Scoop it outta the toilet 'cause
you wanna slurp it up
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693[03:02:05] <Haroldal> Eat my diarrhea you're
chuggin' it down
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694[03:02:05] <Haroldal> You're suckin' my ass and
your lips are all brown
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695[03:02:08] <AlexLikeRock> correct location (/lib/firmware)
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696[03:02:13] <Haroldal> Since we've gone back to the
hamburger place
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697[03:02:13] <Haroldal> I'm gonna stick my ass right on
your face
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698[03:02:21] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit in your mouth
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699[03:02:22] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit in your face, your
mouth
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700[03:02:26] <budder> there is no /lib/
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701[03:02:28] <Haroldal> And I wanna shit on your mother
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702[03:02:28] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit on you and your
mother
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703[03:02:31] <tomcres> !ops haroldal
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704[03:02:31] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomcres
complains about: haroldal
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705[03:02:40] <Haroldal> And I wanna shit on your mother
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706[03:02:40] <Haroldal> I'm gonna shit on you and your
mother
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709[03:03:00] <budder> i just have: .disk, boot, css, dists,
doc, efi, firmware, install, install.amd, isolinux, pics, pool,
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710[03:03:03] <budder> AlexLikeRock:
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711[03:03:34] <AlexLikeRock> you say about CD?
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714[03:04:30] <budder> AlexLikeRock: what
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715[03:04:31] <budder> ?
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716[03:05:12] <AlexLikeRock> thiyou talk about ISO path ?
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722[03:07:05] <JC_SoCal> CeBe: i thought i did this right ...
maybe i misunderstood something? sed -ie
"s/\'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id\'/\'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id\'
--unrestricted/g" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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725[03:08:01] <lhx> Weird question: Is there a way to do a
--purge of configuration files only (i.e. set the configuration
files back to as if the package was freshly installed, but WITHOUT
removing the package?)
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726[03:08:19] <lhx> I somehow borked my python install, but I
don't want to remove it because of too many depends
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729[03:10:07] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: what is the content you wan to
replace exactly?
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731[03:10:57] <JC_SoCal> CeBe: thats the trick, i don't
want to replace -- i'm trying to append the --unrestricted at
the end of that section -- this is the best way i know how
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732[03:12:11] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: replace
'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id' with
'gnulinux-simple-$boot_device_id --unrestricted' ?
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733[03:13:58] <JC_SoCal> yes
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735[03:14:55] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: that should work: sed -i
"s/'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id'/'gnulinux-simple-\$boot_device_id
--unrestricted'/" /etc/grub.d/10_linux
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738[03:15:11] <CeBe> JC_SoCal: you can test it without -i first
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739[03:15:46] <JC_SoCal> yeah, yours worked
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740[03:15:52] <JC_SoCal> oh i forgot to escape the first $
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741[03:15:55] <JC_SoCal> damn it -- thank you
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742[03:16:00] <CeBe> yw
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743[03:16:10] <missmbob> in the future there is #sed btw
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745[03:16:28] <JC_SoCal> ha, there's a sed channel, a
channel for everything
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746[03:16:38] <JC_SoCal> oh -- it says i need an invite
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747[03:16:46] <missmbob> sorry, ##sed
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748[03:16:56] <missmbob> or you have to have a registered nick
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749[03:17:14] <JC_SoCal> thx
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789[03:46:18] <veek> what's the chroot in
${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
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792[03:47:37] <CeBe> veek: a chroot you might be in
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797[03:49:14] <Jacobthegreat> hello guys, how to enable the b43
module on startup without typing modprobe every time i boot my
computer
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798[03:49:21] <veek> CeBe, but that's when i echo PS1
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799[03:49:46] <CeBe> Jacobthegreat: put it in /etc/modules
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800[03:49:51] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: it isn't being
detected? You can list it in /etc/modules in that case
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802[03:50:36] <Jacobthegreat> i don't know, i tried it but
it doesn't load
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803[03:50:44] <CeBe> veek: the prompt may show the chroot if you
are in a chroot
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805[03:53:02] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: seems systemd wants things
in /etc/modules-load.d/foo.conf files
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806[03:53:25] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: but I have a link there
modules.conf that points to /etc/modules, check that directory
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808[03:54:17] <Jacobthegreat> oh, i saw the module blacklisted
maybe it's the problem
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809[03:54:27] <Jacobthegreat> i'm gonna reboot
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810[03:54:28] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: yea that could be it
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811[03:54:40] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: any reason you want to use
b43 over the newer module that probabaly blacklisted that one?
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813[03:55:07] <Jacobthegreat> i can't connect to wifi
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814[03:55:25] <Jacobthegreat> but when i run modprobe b43 it
works
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815[03:55:36] <somiaj> yea I'm unsure about the b43
drivers, just wonder if there is a newer module that is supose to
give better support. Anyways, can you tell me what file the
blacklist was put in?
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816[03:56:17] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: note once you unblacklist
it you may not need to also list it in /etc/modules as the kernel
may detect the hardware and load it without it
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817[03:56:46] <Jacobthegreat> it blacklisted all the modules
that conflicts to ssb including the b43 module
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818[03:57:03] <Jacobthegreat> it works now thanks guys
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819[03:57:04] <somiaj> it? ssb?
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820[03:57:17] <somiaj> Jacobthegreat: glad you tracked down the
issue.
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821[03:58:23] <Jacobthegreat> I just deleted my facebook and all
of my social media account accounts so I went here.
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826[04:02:10] <AlexLikeRock> Jacobthegreat, you wish ....
"delete" facebook
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827[04:02:19] <AlexLikeRock> facebook never delet you profile
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963[05:33:09] <lhunath> I installed a bunch of packages using
aptitude build-dep to prepare for apt-get -b source, but now decided
I don't want to build the package anymore. Any way to remove
all those packages I just installed from my system?
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966[05:33:27] <st3fann> apt-get autoremove
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968[05:34:14] <lhunath> sadly, it doesn't - seems build-dep
doesn't mark the packages it installs as dependencies or
automatic.
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969[05:34:43] <themill> lhunath: mk-build-deps would, but
it's too late for that for you. You probably need to look at
your apt logs
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971[05:35:23] <lhunath> where can I find this mk-build-deps?
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973[05:36:27] <themill> it's in devscripts
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974[05:37:23] <lhunath> curious; aptitude search ~N~i
doesn't list these deps. how can it differentiate them?
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980[05:38:59] <themill> How can which it do what?
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982[05:40:18] <themill> (~N doesn't do what you think it
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983[05:41:10] <lhunath> I figured it lists all packages that
were installed since forget-new.
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984[05:41:35] <lhunath> Having trouble finding the exact
definition of it in man aptitude.
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985[05:42:35] <themill> no, it lists all packages that were
added to the archive since forget-new
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986[05:42:44] <themill> !aptitude search
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987[05:42:44] <dpkg> it has been said that aptitude search is a
powerful searching facility that by default only searches package
names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status,
dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04.html
(aptitude-doc package),
replaced-url
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989[05:45:33] <lhunath> Crummy situation. I ran build-deps for
quite a few packages, trying to manually backport something from
stretch.
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990[05:47:41] <lhunath> So, I script run apt-cache showsrc for
every installed package, list all the Build-Depends in a file,
manually inspect the file for any packages I want to keep, and run
aptitude markauto on them, then apt-get autoremove?
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991[05:47:58] <lhunath> I'm so gonna break something.
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996[05:48:55] <lhunath> Hmm, that doesn't even cover it.
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997[05:49:09] <themill> looking at apt's logs sounds like a
good option right now
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998[05:49:23] <lhunath> Right, let me figure that out.
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1000[05:50:24] <themill> /var/log/apt/history.log →
you'll still need to manually edit down the Install lines
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1010[05:57:46] <nguyenphi> I want to switch to debian but does
stable usable?
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1011[05:58:00] <nguyenphi> I heard it is too old to be used
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1013[05:58:41] <dvs> nguyenphi, ??? I'm using Debian stable
right now and it's usable
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1014[05:58:53] <Rusty1_> nguyenphi: what do you want to use it
for?
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1015[05:59:08] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: dev and normal use
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1016[05:59:23] <missmbob> we backports are provided for many
packages you might want newer versions of
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1017[05:59:25] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: but I'm just a beginner
dev
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1018[05:59:27] <Rusty1_> as a desktop environment?
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1019[05:59:29] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: it's really for you to
decide if it's too old
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1020[05:59:59] <nguyenphi> I just heard that from many people out
there
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1021[06:00:30] <nguyenphi> They use testing or stretch instead of
jessie
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1022[06:00:34] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: some people care about
having the latest shiny software. other people care about stability
and getting things done. priorities..
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1023[06:00:37] <n4dir1> if you already heard it from many people,
then why ask again?
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1028[06:01:10] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: i want to heard from people
who actually used it
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1030[06:01:35] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: people who use it obviously
won't think it's too old
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1031[06:01:40] <nguyenphi> Rusty1_: ya I want to use it on my
core2 dou desktop
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1032[06:02:08] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: clear now. I will switch to
jessie
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1033[06:02:50] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: what are you using now?
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1034[06:02:51] <nguyenphi> The problem with Ubuntu and mint is I
can't custom as much as I want they just do all the things
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1035[06:02:59] <missmbob> !tell nguyenphi about jessie-backports
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1036[06:03:16] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: that sounds more like a
problem with gnome tbh
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1038[06:03:25] <payette> If I have a pentium 4 processor
(dinosaur comp that im reusing) it's an i386 architecture
correct?
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1039[06:03:44] <missmbob> payette: yes
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1040[06:03:50] <payette> thank you
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1041[06:03:52] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i'm new and I just
switch to linux. I'm installed arch but it is too overwhelm
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1042[06:04:06] <n4dir1> i doubt that mint or ubuntu can't be
customized the way one wants it.
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1043[06:04:09] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: yeah, stable sounds like a
better choice then
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1045[06:04:53] <nkuttler> nguyenphi: and the next release should
be out in a few months anyway
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1046[06:05:06] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i has been spend time for
choosing what is fit for me recently
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1048[06:05:59] <nguyenphi> nkuttler: i like to use net installer
package. Something a little bit like arch
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1049[06:06:14] <nkuttler> !netinst
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1050[06:06:14] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with
which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process
you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
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1051[06:06:23] <nguyenphi> And customize whatever i want
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1052[06:06:41] <nguyenphi> Thank you guys anyway
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1053[06:06:48] <nguyenphi> I appreciated it
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1055[06:07:04] <n4dir1> the netinstaller isn't any different
than the installer on the other iso's, on a side note.
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1057[06:07:17] <n4dir1> assuming that didn't change recently
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1058[06:07:55] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: it is lightweight
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1059[06:08:19] <nguyenphi> I prefer window manager rather than DE
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1060[06:08:20] <n4dir1> well: the download is smaller. If that is
what you mean with lightweigtht, then yes
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1061[06:08:46] <n4dir1> if you mean that it installs something
different, then now
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1062[06:08:48] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: yes That what I mean
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1063[06:08:49] <n4dir1> ups: no.
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1064[06:08:53] <themill> n4dir1: you are correct. The installer
is identical
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1065[06:09:14] <n4dir1> themill: okay. been a while i installed
debian. thanks for confirming
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1066[06:09:51] <nguyenphi> n4dir1: thank you very much
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1067[06:10:04] <n4dir1> good luck, and fun too, of course :-)
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1068[06:10:52] <awal1> well they are different
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1071[06:12:47] <awal1> nvm
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1072[06:13:34] <dvs> nguyenphi, are you using a wireless network
adaptor?
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1073[06:14:06] <nguyenphi> dvs: i'm using wired for my
desktop
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1074[06:14:16] <dvs> ok
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1075[06:14:46] <nguyenphi> dvs: i heard that some problem with
laptop that used wireless adaptor?
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1076[06:15:13] <dvs> nguyenphi, it depends what wireless adaptor
the laptop has.
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1135[06:54:01] <Wegg> Where do I go if I have installed testing?
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1136[06:54:49] <missmbob> !debian-next
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1137[06:54:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1152[07:11:35] <themill> hmm... it's probably about time
that #debian started dealing with stretch questions too. While the
folks in #d-next might know more for the moment, the folks in here
need to know that stuff before stretch is actually released.
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1153[07:12:58] <missmbob> we pretty do.
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1154[07:13:03] <missmbob> pretty much*
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1163[07:17:20] <RandomPasserby> doesn't debian distro
support kde5 plasma ?
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1165[07:18:15] <krytarik> ,v plasma-desktop
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1166[07:18:16] <judd> Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- wheezy:
4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.4-1; sid: 4:5.8.4-1;
experimental: 4:5.8.5-1
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1167[07:18:19] <themill> missmbob: I'm trying to find a
non-self-contradictory for your last 3 lines
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1168[07:18:27] <themill> +interpretation
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1169[07:18:33] <vovkav> hi, guys! Is there a single article on
what happened to Ian Murdock?
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1171[07:19:16] <themill> vovkav: this is a technical support
channel and what happens to any random individual is not really any
concern of you in any case.
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1173[07:19:37] <missmbob> themill: he asked. i assumed that
wanted specifically d-n
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1175[07:19:50] <themill> perhaps "here" is also a good
answer?
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1178[07:21:03] <RandomPasserby> judd: and so the answer must be
no unfortunately
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1179[07:21:22] <themill> RandomPasserby: plasma 5 is in stretch
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1182[07:22:27] <vovkav> themill I would decide myself what
concerns me and what not
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1198[07:36:22] <phorce1_1ome> OK, planning upgrade to stretch.
Changed sources.list. apt-get update went OK. "apt list
--upgradeable" returns a blank list. "apt update"
returns "All packages are up to date". ... What's
happening?
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1199[07:37:10] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: care to share your
sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy
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1200[07:37:47] <phorce1_1ome> brb adding to a paste link
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1202[07:39:56] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: sources.list ---
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1204[07:40:33] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: how long has that sid line
been in your sources.list at the bottom?
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1206[07:41:31] <somiaj> anyways you may be running sid, and sid
versions are > stretch versions so there won't be anything
to upgrade
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1208[07:44:26] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: I'm looking at the
policy output now. This is my home "play machine" and I
honestly don't recall what I pulled from sid. There's a
lot of backports stuff. but I'm definitely not "running
sid". (because I'm upgrading to get xfcw 4.12.x because
4.10.x sucks for HiDef displays
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1209[07:45:01] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: Here's the policy
output ---
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1211[07:45:27] <themill> Negative pinning is almost always a
mistake btw
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1212[07:45:54] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: you shouldn't mix
stable and unstable.
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1215[07:46:06] <somiaj> phorce1_1ome: outside of that you are
most likely running all sid versions which is why you have nothign
to upgrade.
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1217[07:46:23] <themill> and yeah, -10
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1220[07:47:58] <nguyenphi> Can someone take a look?
replaced-url
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1221[07:48:13] <nguyenphi> Im trying to keep data in home
partition
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1222[07:48:25] <nguyenphi> But the installer dont let me through
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1224[07:49:06] <nguyenphi> Am i do something wrong?
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1225[07:50:46] <AlwaysHigh> How could i utilize "find"
to find all files/directories with unknown characters
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1226[07:51:09] <AlwaysHigh> when i ls one of my directories i get
"Van Morrison - Saint Dominic?s Preview (1997) [MP3 V0]"
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1227[07:51:16] <phorce1_1ome> somiaj: themill --- I have no clue
what (single package) I pulled from sid in the past -- but
everything else is running jessie versions.
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1228[07:51:36] <AlwaysHigh> the ? is an unknown character that
when i call it using python it returns \x92
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1230[07:51:46] <phorce1_1ome> I guess I'll just pull the sid
line from sources.list and update again to see what happens
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1231[07:51:47] <themill> phorce1_1ome: negative pinning is still
your problem and probably not what you want to be doing ever anyway
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1232[07:52:04] <themill> phorce1_1ome: you're going to need
to fix your pinning before anything happens
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1235[07:55:18] <themill> AlwaysHigh: convmv might help you here;
the best you'd be able to do with find would be to pipe it
through something that looked at the encoding and barfed if it
wasn't legal UTF-8. (Note that filenames are just a string of
bytes and it is up to the local user to set and maintain a
consistent encoding for characters into those bytes)
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1239[07:55:41] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I didn't do that
manually (for stretch) I had some stuff pinned for jessie backports
so I guess letting it update did some automatic changes I
didn't expect. I'll first put sources back the way it was
and see if an update fixes the policy back the way it was ... if
not, I'll figure out how to put policy back to default and do
the upgrade.
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1240[07:56:08] <themill> phorce1_1ome: pinning for backports
isn't necessary either
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1241[07:56:25] <themill> apt update doesn't change policy;
only editing the apt preferences file does
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1243[07:57:22] <DasSwastika> Das Dritte Reich
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1244[07:57:24] <DasSwastika> Alle hageln die allmächtige
deutsche Rasse!
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1245[07:58:50] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I haven't toched the
apt preferences file tonight and tonight is the first time the word
stretch has been entered into any file. So *something* automatically
changes policy based on doing an apt update
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1246[07:59:16] <tomcres> Nice use of Google translate
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1247[07:59:33] <DasSwastika> Ich spreche kein Englisch
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1248[07:59:36] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
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1249[07:59:40] <cheapie> phorce1_1ome: If it does, that's
likely a bug and should be handled as such.
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1255[08:00:25] <themill> phorce1_1ome: I don't doubt that
you've not touched it tonight. It doesn't mean that what
you have in there is incorreect
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1262[08:03:36] <phorce1_1ome> themill: here it is ...
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1265[08:04:05] <themill> phorce1_1ome: you're pinning
everything to -10 there
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1266[08:04:27] <themill> if you've only got one release in
your sources.list (you should) then there is no need for pinning
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1269[08:06:10] <phorce1_1ome> themill: I had jessie and jessie
backports. I wanted backports to take preference. So, backports at
800 updates at 700 and plain jessie at 600 then everything else at
-10 and sid at -10
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1270[08:06:33] <AlwaysHigh> themill, sounds like effort writing
another script
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1271[08:07:29] <themill> phorce1_1ome: that's not good way
of using backports btw. That's not how they are designed to be
used. There is no guarantee that will work at all.
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1272[08:07:41] <phorce1_1ome> themill: i didn't want to have
to specify -t jessie-backports all the time. If there was a backport
I wanted it by default
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1273[08:07:58] <themill> as I said, not the intended use and not
a good plan
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1278[08:08:33] <tomcres> !sns
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1279[08:08:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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1280[08:08:35] <phorce1_1ome> themill: "home play
machine" (and it never broke anything) :-)
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1281[08:09:27] <themill> previous luck does not predict future
outcomes
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1284[08:10:35] <phorce1_1ome> there's no stretch-backports
for me to break stuff with (yet)
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1285[08:10:50] <tomcres> Themill: that would make a great fortune
cookie 😊
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1290[08:14:42] <jim> I think that fortune cookie would be
counterproductive to the basic fortune industry
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1293[08:16:17] <jim> "-of course- it's predictive...
can I interest you in a %million yen game of dominoes?
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1304[08:30:19] <Behruz> Hello. I got trouble connecting via VPN
pptp connection.Whould you mind if i send the related logs ?
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1305[08:30:33] <Behruz>
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1310[08:33:32] <Behruz> I use kerio VPN when i configure it .It
asks me for fingerprint.What's that?
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1325[08:45:12] <phorce1_1ome> OK, with an empty preferences file
it looks a little better at the end of an apt update --- "1675
packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to
see them"
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1326[08:45:34] <phorce1_1ome> (and no sid line in the
sources.list)
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1330[08:50:02] <DasSwastika> Hello
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1331[08:50:06] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
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1332[08:50:06] <DasSwastika> Fuck die Juden. Zu den Gaskammern!
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1335[08:53:10] <tomcres> Phorce1_1ome: that sounds about right
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1336[08:54:13] <phorce1_1ome> tomcres: hope so because it's
running "upgrade" now . :D
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1339[08:58:14] <phorce1_1ome> and, naturally, my ISP chooses
tonight to have a speed problem. Download speed 2.21 Mbits/sec ....
should be closer to 60Mbits/sec
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1345[08:59:58] <tomcres> My ISP is shady. I pay for 60, but only
ever get 30.
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1348[09:01:52] <phorce1_1ome> there's a cable that got
stretched by a tree branch that they are supposed to replace. If the
wind blows hard speed drops and never recovers without a modem
reboot ... so, be back in a bit.
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1350[09:03:00] <Behruz> what's server finger print when i
want to configure kerio VPN ?
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1355[09:07:33] <phorce1_1ome> OK, 68.17 Mbits/sec ... back to the
stretch upgrade
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1523[10:59:28] <veek> how do i install fontmatrix.. it's a
font viewer but apt-cache doesn't list it
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1524[10:59:40] <veek> wheezy and sid have it
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1560[11:29:47] <marianna> Hi!
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1564[11:30:45] <marianna> I don't found any info in
something I want to do (the info its not in my mother language I
don't know how to find it in english...)
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1565[11:31:06] <marianna> I know this is not the place to ask...
but give me some hints, please
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1567[11:31:19] <bazhang> what is it then
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1568[11:31:35] <marianna> I'm a teacher and I have internet
in my laptop with a cable
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1569[11:31:44] <marianna> my students doesnt have
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1570[11:31:58] <marianna> I thought that maybe if I bring a
router
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1571[11:32:06] <bazhang> you want to internet share via the
laptop?
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1573[11:32:11] <marianna> yes
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1574[11:32:13] <marianna> :)
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1576[11:32:28] <bazhang> are you using debian
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1577[11:32:31] <marianna> yes
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1578[11:32:49] <marianna> and I have my own spare router at home
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1579[11:32:53] <bazhang> do you have network manager
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1580[11:33:00] <marianna> yes
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1581[11:33:07] <marianna> hehe
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1583[11:34:56] <marianna>
replaced-url
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1584[11:34:57] <mosasaur> marianna: can you ssh to the
student's computer?
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1587[11:35:17] <marianna> no mosasaur the idea is share my laptop
internet to their mobiles
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1589[11:35:37] <marianna> but I think I know now how to do it
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1590[11:35:55] <marianna> I feel quite silly now, hehehe
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1592[11:36:07] <veek> marianna, you need to setup NAT
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1593[11:36:14] <marianna> my missing key word in when I was
googleing was "share"
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1594[11:36:15] <marianna> xD
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1595[11:36:43] <banjo_> does someone know how do i connect with
gftp to:
replaced-url
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1622[11:56:52] <unborn> is there any way to get information about
installed package and all dep. for that package as list in terminal?
for example samba and all dep. for that package installed currently
on system?
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1627[11:59:03] <unborn> heh found it.. dpkg --get-selections |
grep samba works
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1665[12:23:34] <ElDiabolo> Any hint on what to do about
ununblankable screen blanking? Alt+Print+K still works, but simply
pressing any key or moving the mouse does not.
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1675[12:29:56] <rozie> ElDiabolo: gui or cli?
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1676[12:30:08] <rozie> which screensaver do you use?
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1677[12:30:09] <ElDiabolo> gui, mate desktop
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1683[12:31:54] <ElDiabolo> The image folder screen saver. Good
point, I havent seen it for quite some time.
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1685[12:34:43] <rozie> try to debug it - maybe you have 2
screensavers running, or maybe it hang
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1687[12:35:23] <rozie> try to disable blank screen to make sure
that you are in right app
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1691[12:37:04] <ElDiabolo> rozie, There are log messages: Feb 12
12:17:45 backspace mate-screensave[3131]: Failed to get session
presence proxy: Could not get owner of name
'org.gnome.SessionManager': no such name
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1692[12:37:22] <ElDiabolo> I'll see where they get me.
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1749[12:57:44] <ewew> Hi. I want to ask why is
/etc/pam.d/polkit-1 affecting /etc/pam.d/login ? The default for
pam_env.so user_readenv=0 and why its overiding it in
/etc/pam.d/login ?
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1797[13:34:38] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
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1815[13:44:18] <Manis> Hi. I'm running Debian Jessie on
armhf. When I start Octave or Merkaartor, both applications max out
one core all the time. I ran valgrind (callgrind) and ~70% of the
time is spend in dl_* functions. Any hints what could be the
problem?
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1938[14:35:33] <Emil> Hi. I tried following this guide to
autodetect a tv
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1939[14:35:41] <Emil>
replaced-url
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1940[14:35:51] <Emil> But the udev-rule is not triggering
apparently
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1941[14:36:15] <Emil> Is there an alternative way to detect hdmi
plugin/unplugin
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1947[14:38:56] <dutchfish> Emil, i could be wrong but the EDID is
only scanned on kernel boot for the fbdev and again when X starts,
see Xorglog.
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1949[14:39:09] <Emil> dutchfish: hmm, that's unfortunate
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1952[14:39:37] <Emil> dutchfish: any other way to automatically
detect when an external screen is plugged in?
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1954[14:40:15] <dutchfish> Emil, you could d a hack to trigger a
restart of X on plugin event over udev/dbus, no idea how to pull
that off
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1958[14:40:56] <dutchfish> Emil, you can test it out manually
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1959[14:41:22] <jim> hi, what's the package name for the
package that adds a debian package proxy service? something-ng...
alternatively, how can I find out the port of my existing proxy? I
think it's on the default port, whichever that is
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1960[14:41:23] <Emil> restart of x is not something I'd
really like to do, though :/
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1961[14:41:27] <dutchfish> Emil, maybe others now another trick
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1965[14:41:49] <themill> jim: apt-cacher-ng (there are many, that
one works well)
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1966[14:42:04] <jim> that's the one I installed, thanks
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1972[14:42:48] <Emil> Another question though: I can't seem
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1973[14:42:52] <Emil> but speaker-test works
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1976[14:43:44] <jim> now I gotta see what port it's
listening on, and what to enter on the proxy line of a
debian-installer instance
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1977[14:44:01] <dutchfish> Emil, the easiest way (when it works
at all for you hw) is to configure through your WM soundsystem,
currently vlc is the backend for WM's like KDE and others
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1984[14:46:09] <fag8> i wanna install debian on a micro sd card
that's on my motherboard, what can i do to make it boot?
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1989[14:47:09] <dutchfish> Emil, it works in testing out the of
the box for the amd opengpu driver, it didnt for me in stable. If
that is of any help i dont know, it depends on your hardware and
drivers too.
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2007[14:52:04] <Emil> HMm
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2008[14:52:12] <Wzup> I'm using gnome boxes 3.14.2-2 and I
wonder if there is any way to copy text from the virtual machine to
the host?
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2009[14:52:13] <Emil> strange, actually pluggin in the HDMI
triggers the udev rule
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2010[14:52:14] <Emil> apparently
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2011[14:52:18] <Emil> but unpluggin doesn't
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2024[14:58:18] <lost_soul> so, it's been a few days so
I'll try asking again. Is anyone here or has anyone here
installed debian on a qnap ts-412 nas? I've read the
appropriate web page but would like some first hand feedback before
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2035[15:05:03] <lost_soul> brb, it seems a reload of my
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2061[15:18:57] <MaxLanar`> Hi. For several years now I use Debian
I still have trouble with the permissions... I have many questions.
For a file with rwxrwxrwx rights located here
/here/is/my/file/file.txt, does all the parents directory needs the
same rights for any user to be able to read/write/execute it ?
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2068[15:23:11] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: The user will need the x
permission on every directory above it.
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2070[15:23:48] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: I recommend reading
'man chmod', then playing around with it on your system to
understand the concept.
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2081[15:29:21] <lighteningbolt> Anyone ? Have the direct link for
Debian Live USB Key Bootable?
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2083[15:30:00] <MaxLanar`> petn-randall: hmm, that is something I
didn't know (or I forgot)... thank you. It will help. Readin
chmod man.
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2085[15:31:10] <petn-randall> MaxLanar`: Remembering the details
is the hard part. What got me to remember it permanently was to play
around with the permissions in several combinations.
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2098[15:36:23] <Olufunmilayo> does something exist to allow you
to monitor the output of two or more iftop commands in a single
terminal kind of how you can monitor multiple logs in a single
terminal with multitail?
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2102[15:37:20] <lighteningbolt> I currently tried Debian live usb
bootable amd on a Intel computer and it was unsucessful... It was
worth a try
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2106[15:38:51] <lost_soul> lighteningbolt: strange, I've
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2107[15:38:54] <tomcres> The installer on the live medium is
broken.
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2109[15:39:15] <lost_soul> ah, I always use the netinstaller so
that makes sense
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2114[15:40:16] <lost_soul> at least as long as their has been one
and I've had a decent internet connection
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2135[15:50:04] <lost_soul> so qnap nas, debian install... no
takers?
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2143[15:52:52] <eugenmayer1> will: sudo su -l mary -c
'foo' actually read .bashrc?
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2154[15:55:54] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: No. man bash | less -p
'^INVOCATION'
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2155[15:56:42] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: any way to run a shell
command as a different user while using his bashrc? should i source
it manually? - i am running chef inspec tests
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2158[15:57:02] <jezebel> hi :) what happened to the virtualbox
package in stretch?
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2160[15:57:44] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: .bashrc is only sourced for
interactive shells, so the -c 'foo' is the
"problem".
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2162[15:58:02] <eugenmayer1> sudo su -l mary -c 'zsh -i -c
foo'
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2163[15:58:09] <eugenmayer1> that works, same for bash
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2164[15:58:10] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: What?
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2165[15:58:28] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: yeah, the interactive part
slipped through, sorry
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2166[15:58:30] <eugenmayer1> works now
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2168[15:58:40] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: That's just stupid. But
the relevant config parts in ~/.bash_profile instead of doing weird
hacks.
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2169[15:59:04] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: which part is stupid?
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2170[15:59:09] <rudi_s> *or in the global shell files.
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2171[15:59:12] <rudi_s> 15:58 < eugenmayer1> sudo su -l
mary -c 'zsh -i -c foo'
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2172[15:59:21] <jezebel> that's a weird command
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2173[15:59:21] <eugenmayer1> which part? explain yourself
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2174[15:59:29] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: The complete line.
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2176[15:59:32] <hellyeah> hey
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2180[15:59:47] <hellyeah> i have bluetooth problem can someone
help me about that?
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2181[15:59:55] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Why would you fake to
bash/zsh that you want an interactive shell when you definately
don't want one.
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2182[16:00:01] <rudi_s> *just so it sources ~/.bashrc
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2183[16:00:28] <rudi_s> Oh, and the su part is also unnecessary,
sudo -s or -i can do that for you.
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2185[16:00:49] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: ok lets be clear about that:
you have no clue about what i do, what i am trying but you already
guessing right? I am writing convergence tests with inspec on chef
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2186[16:00:56] <hellyeah> my machine didnt recognize bluetooth
device
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2187[16:01:15] <eugenmayer1> that part you do not know, but using
strong language upfront. Maybe that is not a really good idea
rudi_s.
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2189[16:01:34] <hellyeah> it said bluetooth not connected
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2190[16:01:35] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: we are not talking about
anything useful or a script, nothing in production, test only.
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2191[16:01:40] <hellyeah> pls help me a bit
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2192[16:01:41] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: You're right, I have no
idea what "convergence tests with inspec on chef" means. -
But I know that's really weird to run commands in that fashion.
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2195[16:02:21] <jezebel> hellyeah... are you on the command line
or ?
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2196[16:02:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: having a sentence including
"no clue" and still "this is stupid" is very
very risky.
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2200[16:03:08] <hellyeah> jezebel: command line is open right now
i am using gui tool for bluetooth if you ask that.
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2202[16:03:26] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Well, whatever. I pointed
out that it's most-likely wrong that you're doing it in
that fashion. Sorry for the strong language.
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2209[16:04:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: i would never use what i
have done above in anything production / automation. What i do there
is ensure that the deployed .zshrc actually has loaded .zshrc.local
wiith a stupid alias.
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2210[16:05:01] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s:
replaced-url
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2212[16:05:42] <eugenmayer1> while using CM for configuration.
Convergence is about running a CM deployment several times, but the
result is still the expected one. It "converges" against
the expected
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2213[16:05:51] <hellyeah> jezebel: bluetooth seems "not
connected" but when i click bluetooth icon the option i see is
"turn off device" and settings and when i click setting
there is no options, no info about device
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2214[16:06:19] <hellyeah> i amusing debian jessie
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2215[16:06:36] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Thanks for the explanation.
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2216[16:06:51] <eugenmayer1> so in the end rudi_s its just
replaced-url
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2221[16:07:49] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: as you see, i could go on.
But you never need to know all this neither want to waste your time
understanding my case. I assume we dont start judging people without
having a clue what they are doing, like #freebsd people tend to :)
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2227[16:09:26] <rudi_s> If you're checking alias-expansion
then indeed you need to use -i. - You're right, I
shouldn't have used those harsh words.
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2229[16:09:56] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: great we are on the same
page now. No worries.
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2230[16:10:04] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Btw. use sudo -i -c
'...' then you can drop the su.
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2231[16:10:05] <rudi_s> ;-)
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2232[16:10:24] <rudi_s> Or, if that's running as root anyway
drop the sudo.
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2233[16:10:24] <hellyeah> jezebel: this is what i get
replaced-url
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2234[16:10:55] <eugenmayer1> arg rudi_s i looked it up in man and
missed -i .. thanks .. sudo su looks weired of course.
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2237[16:11:18] <rudi_s> np
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2239[16:12:23] <eugenmayer1> rudi_s: interestingly sudo -i -u
mary "foo" will not work
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2242[16:12:45] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Yeah, that's the same
issue as before. It's a login, but no interactive shell.
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2245[16:13:01] <rudi_s> -i == login (obviously, thanks sudo)
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2246[16:13:10] <eugenmayer1> so the sudo / su combination is
needed
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2249[16:13:54] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: No, I think. But you need
the nested sudo/su bash invocation.
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2252[16:15:48] <rudi_s> Something like sudo -i -u $user -- bash
-i -c foo
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2257[16:16:39] <eugenmayer1> that works rudi_s
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2259[16:17:01] <eugenmayer1> interstingly sudo -i -u mary -- zsh
-i -c foo
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2262[16:17:09] <eugenmayer1> works, but sudo -i -u mary --
"zsh -i -c foo"
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2263[16:17:10] <eugenmayer1> does not
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2268[16:18:01] <eugenmayer1> nevertheless your version looks a
lot less ugly, thanks
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2270[16:19:24] <rudi_s> eugenmayer1: Yeah. Unlike su, sudo passes
its arguments (after --) to execve instead of using system (which
runs /bin/sh -c). This is a better design as it prevents double
shell interpolation.
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2271[16:19:25] <hexnewbie> eugenmayer1: sudo allows you properly
specify to arguments to a command, while su runs a shell and
requires a command as a single argument, which is a source of a lot
of trouble. With the sudo syntax you can safely pass a variable
containing special characters, with the su one you cannot
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2274[16:20:09] <eugenmayer1> hexnewbie: rudi_s thank you both!
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2275[16:20:13] <rudi_s> np
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2277[16:20:53] <hexnewbie> Compare «sudo mary sudo john
sudo alice ls -lah "$dir"» vs. «su mary -c
'su john -c "su alica ???"'»
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2280[16:21:42] <n4dir> can't you simply su to a user, do
what needs to be done, and exit from that user, and that was that?
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2283[16:22:56] <eugenmayer1> n4dir: if you skip 90% of the
dicussion your suggestions might be a bit of :)
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2292[16:25:06] <hexnewbie> n4dir: Yeah, but if, for example, you
want a script to drop privileges, ssh into another host, then ssh
into a third host, then switch user there (I've actually needed
to do that once), su/ssh are not friendly to your task as they
launch shells (and require a command). (Though it's pretty
non-noteworthy if you do it in a series of layered, well-factored
Python classes, for example)
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2298[16:26:51] <rudi_s> n4dir: And btw. su-ing to less-privileged
users is dangerous:
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2302[16:27:37] <n4dir> hexnewbie: the above to me looked
interactive, not like a script
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2303[16:27:55] <rudi_s> (The reason is that su/sudo shares the
same tty as the "outer" user which allows injections.)
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2310[16:31:21] <n4dir> ah, the blog entry says it, okay
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2311[16:32:22] <rudi_s> n4dir: Yeah, it was fixed with su -c (on
some systems).
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2312[16:32:26] <rudi_s> s/with/for/
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2315[16:33:04] <n4dir> cool bean, thanks for the info.
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2316[16:33:12] <rudi_s> np
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2325[16:36:53] <hellyeah> how can , check my bluetooth device is
recognized?
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2327[16:38:15] <tomcres> what do you get when you run: dmesg |
grep -i bluetooth
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2330[16:39:31] <hellyeah> tomcres:
replaced-url
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2333[16:40:39] <tomcres> Ok 👌, so it's definitely
recognized. Is it not working?
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2334[16:40:44] <hellyeah> tomcres: ,i didnt see any bluetooth
device listed at the top of screen
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2335[16:40:50] <hellyeah> yeah it is not working
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2336[16:40:57] <hellyeah> just a sec
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2338[16:42:10] <hellyeah> i will come back tomcres
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2339[16:42:21] <tomcres> Ok 👌
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2343[16:43:17] <G66K> hello everyone, im using jessie 64bit i was
wondering how to enable all cpu cores
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2344[16:43:28] <G66K> i just checked and i found two of 4 enabled
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2345[16:43:38] <nkuttler> G66K: how did you check?
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2346[16:44:27] <dontknow> it looks like you have two core, 4
threat
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2347[16:44:46] <G66K> nkuttler: im using i7z utility
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2348[16:45:35] <G66K> dontknow: i have 4 cores on my i7 hp
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2349[16:45:42] <G66K> and 8 threads
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2351[16:46:16] <hexnewbie> Firefox ESR included in Jessie, as
well as manually installed SeaMonkey, can use the colour glyphs of
EmojiOne Color (after I've prepended them to known familiar in
~/.fonts.conf). Chromium does use EmojiOne Color, but the vector
monochrome glyphs are used instead. Is that due to a Chromium's
compilation option in Debian, due to the version, or Chromium
doesn't support them at all, or is there a runtime option I
could use to change that? Can
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2352[16:46:16] <hexnewbie> I expect any change on that?
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2353[16:46:42] <borsin> G66K: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i cores
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2358[16:47:51] <G66K> borsin:
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2438[17:34:51] <marmite21> Re: Qualcom Atheros Killer e220x
ethernet card - on startup install of OS, network interface card is
not detected, driver is asked for. This card is famously bad with
Linux. Two questions: 1) In the default list of drivers the install
setup wizard provides, are there any drivers I can choose which will
drive this card or 2) I have searched high and low on the Internet
for support, having read everything. If you have personally
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2439[17:34:51] <marmite21> solved this problem and can recreate
it, what shall I do? Thanks a lot!
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2442[17:36:16] <mtn_> marmite21: which version of debian is this?
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2444[17:37:09] <marmite21> Most recent. Machine is not currently
running for me to check... Okay to assume that "most
recent" is an acceptible answer, lol?
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2446[17:37:45] <mtn_> marmite21: what default list of drivers in
a setup wizard? I am not familiar with that
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2449[17:39:03] <marmite21> I will start machine... apologies.
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2451[17:40:48] <marmite21> ath; ath10k, 5k, 6kl, 9k...
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2452[17:41:36] <marmite21> 1tl1, l1c, l1e, at12;
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2455[17:41:54] <marmite21> I believe that's all.
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2457[17:42:26] <mtn_> marmite21: what are you talking about?
where do you see this?
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2459[17:42:48] <n4dir>
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2463[17:43:10] <n4dir> so, from a quick glance, it is a better
option to install first and set up internet later
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2464[17:43:41] <n4dir> for that i would use a CD iso, assuming a
GUI is needed to perform the task
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2465[17:43:44] <marmite21> Truly I have read everything on the
Internet... You must be right n4dir.
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2468[17:44:08] <n4dir> oh, wait. read to quick:
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2471[17:44:30] <n4dir> debian jessie is said to have full
support.
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2474[17:44:42] <n4dir> but it doesn't recognize it you say?
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2475[17:44:45] <mtn_> maybe the firware installer version?
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2477[17:45:04] <marmite21> hmm, i'm on wheezy
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2478[17:45:07] <mtn_>
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2479[17:45:19] <mtn_> marmite21: you don't want wheezy for a
new install
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2483[17:45:40] <n4dir> marmite21: if wheezy, then the link to
debian wiki tells to add backports and install a newer kernel
(later, after installation)
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2488[17:46:16] <marmite21> wait i may be wrong; sorry i'm
all messed up because i don't have access to the machine right
now.
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2490[17:46:29] <nickgaw> dpkg what was the first release of
debian?
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2491[17:46:31] <dpkg> nickgaw: i don't know
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2492[17:46:35] <missmbob> you started wrong. listen to mtn and
dont use wheezy
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2495[17:47:04] <n4dir> depends what you want. but probably wrong
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2498[17:47:54] <babilen> dpkg: tell nickgaw -about release
history
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2499[17:48:38] <marmite21> oh i apologize. i thought i had enough
info to properly get your help. my hands are tied not having good
access to the computer. i will return when i can use a console...
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2501[17:48:46] <marmite21> sorry i wasted your time!
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2503[17:49:45] <ElDiabolo> Upgrading to stretch broke my nvidia
card (legacy 304). Is debian non-free on topic here?
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2506[17:50:02] <marmite21> thanks for your time.
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2509[17:50:16] <mtn_> ElDiabolo: might want to ask on
#debian-next on oftc.net
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2510[17:50:19] <n4dir> marmite21: like said, if it was me i would
use the CD, ignore failure of internet during installation, take
care of it later ... too slow ....
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2511[17:50:32] <ealfonso> how do I install debian onto a flash
drive, using debian?
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2515[17:52:14] <n4dir> ealfonso: choose the usb stick when it
comes to partitioning. Make sure to install grub or another
bootloader to the stick too. I think that's it
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2518[17:53:07] <ealfonso> how do I run the installer from debian?
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2521[17:53:58] <nickgaw> I was reading and it looks like full
command line installs require setting up of wireless network cards
manually why is this as should the installer not automatically do
this for the user like it does if you do a x install?
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2525[17:54:31] <jezebel> a lot of wireless network cards require
firmware that is not free...
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2529[17:55:01] <jezebel> there is an install with firmware
packages included, but it's not supported
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2530[17:55:02] <hellyeah> anyone can help me about my bluettooth
problem?_
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2531[17:55:21] <nickgaw> yes but even if I use the non-free
firmware disc the same thing happens.
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2532[17:55:23] <missmbob> jezebel: it's supported. it's
even in the install guide
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2533[17:55:27] <jezebel> oh
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2534[17:55:37] <n4dir> ealfonso: i don't think you can
directly run the installer from an installed debian, but never cared
for it. Do apt-cache search grml, and see if that tool might help
you
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2535[17:55:59] <jezebel> i must be confusing the testing one with
it hten :)
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2536[17:56:03] <n4dir> i would simply burn an installation iso to
a CD though (or use anoter usb-stick)
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2540[17:56:32] <nickgaw> u/msg dpkg espeakup
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2541[17:56:37] <jezebel> it's why my /root is separate from
my / :)
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2546[17:57:13] <nickgaw> dpkg do you know anything about why the
wireless for command line is not working?
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2547[17:57:13] * dpkg eagerly does you know anything about why the
wireless for command line is not working
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2550[17:57:44] <jezebel> what wireless command?
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2553[17:58:14] <nickgaw> basically I have to manually setup
wireless after a command line only installation even when the
installer worked just fine with wireless?
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2557[17:58:47] <jezebel> you generally need your firmware,
wpa_supplicant and a dhcp client at a minimum
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2562[17:59:45] <jezebel> install firmware, establish a link to
the AP using wpa_supplicant, send a dhcp request to get your ip
address and you're on
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2563[17:59:48] <nickgaw> yes understood but even if I use the
non-free disc and the installation works just fine over wireless why
would these settings not be coppied on to the installed system as it
is with x windows?
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2568[18:00:51] <jezebel> i dont know, personally i do like the
minimalism
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2570[18:01:21] <nickgaw> I have posted this issue to debian-boot
with not a lot of results.
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2571[18:01:21] <n4dir> !why
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2572[18:01:22] <dpkg> Because!
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2573[18:01:39] <ElDiabolo> nickgaw, you do have a permanent
wireless connection and you wand a persisten configuration?
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2575[18:01:55] <jezebel> your 'desktop' probably
includes network-manager and that's probably what brings it in
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2578[18:02:16] <nickgaw> What I want is to not have to install X
windows just so when the installation finishes my wireless network
is setup?
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2580[18:02:55] <n4dir> i don't think that is possible, but
wouldn't bet
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2583[18:04:16] <jezebel> not all systems/servers are on the open
internet keep in mind
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2588[18:05:41] <nickgaw> true but like I said if I enter in my
wireless key and install X windows wireless works just fine but if I
just do a command line only installation no wireless network is
setup but the installer does download it from the internet?
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2590[18:05:43] <n4dir> if configuring wireless from cli is too
much hazzle, i would apt-get install xorg fluxbox wicd, startx, and
configure it via wicd or network-manager, if prefered
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2591[18:06:17] <missmbob> sudo apt install network-manager; sudo
nmtui
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2594[18:07:03] <jezebel> file a bug report, maybe you'll get
a discussion with the devs going?
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2596[18:07:34] <nickgaw> I think there is already one filed how
can I reopen it or get them interested in my issue?
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2599[18:08:28] <missmbob> i've done many text installs with
wifi and i've never had your problem. the installer does
connect/configure and it's done.
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2600[18:09:00] <ElDiabolo> nickgaw, A system without a gui is
most likely a server. A server with a wlan connection is a rather
rare use case.
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2601[18:09:00] <nickgaw> what about after the installation can
you use the internet or do you have to setup wireless manually?
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2603[18:09:56] <missmbob> yes i can use it
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2605[18:10:20] <nickgaw> When was the last time you did this and
were you using the non-free disc image?
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2606[18:10:27] <missmbob> i just recently did that on my laptop
(i've never done a graphical install)
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2609[18:10:51] <missmbob> yes, non-free (laptop)
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2610[18:11:27] <jezebel> ElDiabolo... tell that to my wifi
AP/router :P
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2611[18:11:55] <ealfonso> I use a very nice, cli only client to
connect to wifi APs. It is based on
replaced-url
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2612[18:12:37] <ealfonso> obviously you still need the non-free
drivers
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2613[18:12:46] <nickgaw> by text install do you mean the text
based version of the debian-installer or are you talking about no X
windows I am totally blind and use the S option to start espeakup to
do the installation and if I do the full install complete with GUI I
can use telnet and lynx ok but if I just install command line only
no wireless network is setup after the installation but it does work
during the installation?
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2615[18:12:54] <ElDiabolo> jezebel, But that is not a debian
system, is it ...
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2617[18:13:43] <jezebel> it can be! (build your own AP with a
raspberry pi!)
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2620[18:14:37] <nickgaw> Does the S option to start the
installation with software speech start the text or GUI version of
the installer?
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2622[18:15:22] <missmbob> nickgaw: oh...i have no idea what it
does. sorry i'm not familiar with assistive technology.
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2623[18:15:57] <nickgaw> but when you do text installs do you
install X windows or full command line installs?
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2625[18:16:07] <missmbob> nickgaw: no x.
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2627[18:16:19] <hellyeah> hey again
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2628[18:17:00] <nickgaw> and once the installation finishes and
after you enter in your wireless network installation information
you are able right away to connect automatically to the internet and
use it with no configuration after the installation?
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2630[18:17:11] <missmbob> nickgaw: correct
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2631[18:17:38] <hellyeah> it will remember everything
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2634[18:19:11] <hellyeah> missmbob: can you help öe about my
bluetooth issue?
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2635[18:20:10] <missmbob> hellyeah: probably not. feel free to
ask the channel though
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2642[18:23:30] <nickgaw> What does core temperature above
threshold mean as I have been getting more of these messages?
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2643[18:23:47] <missmbob> nickgaw: sounds like your cpu is
overhearting a bit
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2644[18:24:01] <nickgaw> How can I fix it?
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2646[18:24:22] <missmbob> nickgaw: when that happens the kernel
slows it down and 99% of the time that's all that's needed
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2648[18:24:43] <missmbob> nickgaw: you only really have to do
anything if the system starts locking up
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2650[18:25:12] <nickgaw> How can I prevent these message
displaying on the console?
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2652[18:25:28] <missmbob> that i dont know :/
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2653[18:26:15] <nickgaw> The system is a laptop how can I force
the system to run at the slowest speed to see if this will fix the
issue?
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2655[18:27:38] <hellyeah> i guess you need to disable core if it
is possible
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2656[18:27:51] <hellyeah> to tell system dont use those cores
just use pone or two cores
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2657[18:28:13] <ealfonso> nickgaw since you are blind, does that
mean the message is spoken to you? which must be annoying?
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2658[18:28:19] <nickgaw> they all are overheating as each time it
is a different number?
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2660[18:28:29] <jezebel> you can see which process is working the
cpu hard with top
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2662[18:29:24] <missmbob> i had a laptop which was always hot so
top was useless. i had to open it up and replace the heatsink/cpu
fan. that might be where you're headed
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2667[18:31:09] <eugenmayer1> nickgaw: use the stepping of your
CPU to downclock
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2669[18:31:35] <nickgaw> ok that is fine if it needs a cleaning.
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2670[18:31:45] <nickgaw> are you talking about in the bios?
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2672[18:32:21] <missmbob> nickgaw: i think they mean this but i
dont know much about it
replaced-url
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2675[18:32:57] <nickgaw> I think I have read that before.
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2681[18:33:35] <nickgaw> How much are heatsyncs?
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2682[18:33:54] <missmbob> nickgaw: i think i paid $12 for mine
(with fan)
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2684[18:34:25] <nickgaw> no big deal then.
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2688[18:34:40] <missmbob> no it was great. made my laptop stable
again
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2689[18:34:53] <nickgaw> how fast was it?
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2690[18:35:18] <missmbob> i never noticed the speed. for me the
overheating kept causing it to shut itself off. not fun
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2691[18:35:39] <nickgaw> What I mean is how fast was the
processor?
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2692[18:35:56] <missmbob> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2370M CPU @
2.40GHz
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2695[18:36:15] <nickgaw> mine is an i7
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2696[18:36:26] <nickgaw> can the heat syncs be replaced on those?
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2697[18:36:35] <missmbob> yes
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2700[18:37:01] <nickgaw> What if I remove it and don't have
one?
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2703[18:37:24] <missmbob> put the old one back in. dont try to
run it without anything
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2704[18:37:42] <nickgaw> Will it break?
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2705[18:37:56] <sysadmin> Hello. My server with Debian rebooted
without apparent cause. Could anyone suggest me which logs to check?
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2706[18:38:01] <missmbob> i dont think so. kernel will shut that
shit down quick, though.
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2714[18:41:28] <nickgaw> strange in the bios it says secure boot
is off but the debian-installer when I installed the system thought
it was EFI when it was MBR if I turn on secure boot in the bios will
it be possible to fix my system to work with secure boot as debian
is the only operating system on this laptop?
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2716[18:42:06] <missmbob> nickgaw: efi doesnt have to use secure
boot. in fact debian doesnt support secure boot
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2718[18:43:12] <missmbob> the next version of debian will
(supposed to anyway)
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2719[18:44:06] <teraflops> nickgaw:
replaced-url
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2720[18:44:52] <nickgaw> I think it is EFI that was turned off in
the bios should I leave it off or turn it on?
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2721[18:44:53] <teraflops> … and keep some goats at hand
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2722[18:45:04] <teraflops> nickgaw: it's UEFI actually
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2724[18:45:38] <nickgaw> should I leave it off or turn it on?
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2725[18:45:49] <missmbob> nickgaw: if you change it you'll
have to reinstall debian. so just leave it as it is
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2747[18:55:20] <tharkun> I need the MS ODBC Driver. As expected
MS only has Ubuntu and RedHat. I suspect that the Ubuntu drivers are
more compatible than the RedHat ones. Of the ubuntu versions which
one is more compatible with Debian Stable?
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2750[18:56:36] <missmbob> tharkun: for what? which langugage?
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2753[18:58:14] <tharkun> missmbob: to Install the MS ODBBC and
language is irrelevant. it should utf8
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2754[18:58:41] <missmbob> no. that's not how linux works. i
forgot it was sunday
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2756[19:00:02] <Quatroking> so I was wondering, is it possible to
make a samba share use a specific NIC?
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2758[19:00:30] <missmbob> Quatroking:
replaced-url
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2760[19:00:50] <Quatroking> oh now that's pretty damn sweet
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2762[19:01:15] <Quatroking> oh but this goes for all samba shares
doesn't it
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2764[19:01:32] <nickgaw> I am also trying to find a good console
packet sniffer to watch one of my other devices on my wireless
networks what are some good ones?
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2765[19:01:42] <missmbob> Quatroking: there is #samba for better
help
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2766[19:01:50] <Quatroking> I'll go and ask there, thanks
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2844[19:35:19] <user___> I'm using debian 8.7 on my desktop.
RAM is 3GB (2+1). When pc is started the RAM shows 3GB, but
sometimes after a while the RAM becomes 1GB. Help?
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2847[19:36:01] <dayne> Greetings #debian. Can someone point me to
where I can submit a minor tweak to the /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+
script? Recommend it puts out a STDERR message when it bails out
because of EFI.
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2848[19:36:40] <dayne> user___: if you dont' have an EFI
system I suggest you install memtest86+, reboot, and sanity check
you've got good RAM
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2849[19:36:51] <user___> ok
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2855[19:38:23] <dayne> user___: sudo apt install memtest86+
&& sudo update-grub # then reboot, should have memtest86+ in
grub menu, let it run through the passes. While shutdown you might
double check your RAM is fully seated.
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2856[19:38:51] <newbie22> does anyone know where I can find a
live image to boot from a usb drive for a dell laptop
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2857[19:38:57] <user___> ok
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2858[19:39:27] <dayne> newbie22:
replaced-url
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2860[19:39:52] <hammock> Hello, i have a proxmox server with two
debian virtual machines. My server has the IP 192.168.0.222. My VMs
are 10.10.10.2, 10.10.10.3. I have a bridge configured in the
proxmox host that is 10.10.10.1
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2864[19:40:21] <hammock> i set up a nat connection with iptables
-t nat -A POSTROUTING -s '192.168.100.0/24' -o vmbr0 -j
MASQUERADE
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2866[19:40:34] <hammock> and i can ping 192.168.0.222 from
10.10.10.2 / 3
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2867[19:40:53] <hammock> but i have no internet access from
10.10.10.2. What am i missing?
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2869[19:41:08] <newbie22> dayne: I do not want to instal
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2870[19:41:33] <newbie22> I do not want to install, just from usb
and use linux
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2872[19:42:22] <mtn_> newbie22: that is what a live cd is
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2873[19:42:23] <dayne> newbie22: time to stop and read that
website I linked you to. You see they explain what live CD is for
and then work you through some of the questions you'll need to
answer to decide which is best for you.
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2876[19:43:16] <towo`> if the laptop is using efi, none of that
cd will boot
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2878[19:45:39] <dayne> hammock: you set the VM's to use
10.10.10.1 as your default gateway/router?
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2881[19:46:12] <hammock> Yes dayne, thanks for answering. I can
also ping both 10.10.10.1 and 192.168.0.222 from my virtual machines
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2883[19:46:24] <dayne> hammock: ip route show | grep default #
double check the VM's have a default route
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2884[19:47:19] <Wzup> I got a question about SHASUM files, if
anyone can confirm this? The sha512sums.sign file is meant to
confirm that the output of the sha512sums file is correct, right?
So, if don't download the sha512sums file and rather copy the
sha512sums code on the debian website instead of downloading the
sign + sha512sums. Then I do not need the sha512sums.sign file,
right?
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2887[19:47:39] <hammock> dayne: default via 10.10.10.1 dev eth0
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2890[19:47:54] <Walakea> does Debian plan to support guix?
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2901[19:53:30] <dayne> hammock: what is the gateway of your host
system (not VM) - and can the VM's ping that (not just the host
system IP).
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2905[19:55:45] <hammock> dayne: it can ping the default gateway.
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2911[19:58:25] <hammock> dayne: it is 192.168.0.221 and yes, i
can ping it.
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2941[20:08:24] <petn-randall> Hi, I noticed that two user's
on the same system can't see/access each other's VMs on
libvirt. How can I allow that?
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2945[20:09:16] <hellyeah> how can i fix that
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2946[20:09:21] <hellyeah>
replaced-url
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2948[20:09:58] <hellyeah> any ideas?
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2950[20:10:51] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Fix what exactly?
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2952[20:11:31] <hellyeah> there is some "failed"
message
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2953[20:11:42] <hellyeah> obviously something didnt work
correctly
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2954[20:11:49] <hellyeah> right?
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2955[20:11:52] <hellyeah> like sap-server: Operation not
permitted
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2958[20:12:14] <petn-randall> hellyeah: This is on which OS?
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2959[20:12:16] <hellyeah> those message is not important?
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2960[20:12:20] <hellyeah> debian jessie
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2962[20:12:45] <petn-randall> hellyeah: "Blocked through
rfkill" is the relevant message here.
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2963[20:12:58] <petn-randall> hellyeah: You need to press the
switch that activates bluetooth.
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2964[20:13:23] <hellyeah> accordinng to debian wiki page i should
have got "bluetooth is running" message
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2967[20:15:50] <hellyeah> dont have any switch on my comp for
bluetooth
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2971[20:22:23] <hellyeah> root@debian:/home/hellyeah# rfkill list
all bash: rfkill: command not found ?
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2981[20:24:32] <hellyeah> it is not installed
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2988[20:25:08] <petn-randall> hellyeah: apt install rfkill
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2989[20:25:16] <hellyeah> i did
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2990[20:25:22] <hellyeah> that must be the problem 4: hci0:
Bluetooth Soft blocked: yes Hard blocked: no
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2991[20:25:27] <hellyeah> is it?
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2995[20:26:11] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Yes, you can run
"rfkill unblock hci0".
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2996[20:26:16] <hellyeah> i did rfkill unblock bluetooth and soft
blocked:no i got
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2997[20:26:23] <petn-randall> hellyeah: Your GUI should probably
be doing that for you, though.
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3000[20:26:35] <hellyeah> work now it seems
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3001[20:26:39] <hellyeah> let see
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3003[20:27:21] <hellyeah> YAY
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3008[20:27:58] <hellyeah> but i dont understand how rfkill
blocked my bluetootheven it is not in your system
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3011[20:28:17] <cybrNaut> ,v weboob
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3012[20:28:18] <judd> Package: weboob on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.c-4.1; jessie: 1.0-3; stretch: 1.2-1; sid: 1.2-1
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3020[20:30:14] <contrapunctus> o/
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3025[20:32:21] <contrapunctus> I'm trying to install using
debian-8.7.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso (and md5sum matches); I get a
"failed to load ldlinux.c32" messagee when trying to run
the installation flash drive, however. What should I do?
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3026[20:32:25] <hellyeah> thanks
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3028[20:33:11] <mtn_> contrapunctus: how did you make the usb?
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3034[20:34:13] <contrapunctus> mtn_: cp /path/to/iso /dev/sdX
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3036[20:34:37] <mtn_> contrapunctus: secure boot turned off?
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3039[20:35:20] <user___> dayne: memtest86+ no errors detected
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3040[20:36:19] <contrapunctus> mtn_: it runs windows 7; how do I
do that?
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3042[20:36:43] <r00t> contrapunctus: You just cp'd to the
flash drive? You didn't use dd?
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3044[20:36:50] <mtn_> contrapunctus: look in the bios
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3045[20:36:52] <contrapunctus> r00t: no.
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3046[20:37:00] <contrapunctus> mtn_: I /was/ able to live boot
earlier though, so I guess it's off?
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3048[20:37:19] <mtn_> contrapunctus: why guess? you need to know
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3053[20:37:52] <contrapunctus> mtn_: and it doesn't have
BIOS, it's UEFI o.o
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3055[20:38:12] <mtn_> contrapunctus: go see if secure boot is
off. make sure fast boot is off, too
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3057[20:39:01] <r00t> I'm surprised they can boot from the
flash drive at all if they just have an .iso file copied on it
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3064[20:40:37] <missmbob> r00t: go read something. that *is* how
you "burn" an iso to usb
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3069[20:41:45] <missmbob> r00t: see 4.3.1 and cp
replaced-url
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3070[20:42:03] <contrapunctus> mtn_: The "SecureBoot"
checkbox is unchecked, but also grayed-out. Boot mode is
"legacy" (other options being "UEFI Hybrid (with
CSM)" "UEFI Native (without CSM)"), FWIW
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3072[20:42:45] <mtn_> contrapunctus: ok, good
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3074[20:43:15] <mtn_> r00t: debian uses a hybrid iso and cp is
the preferred method of putting it on the usb
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3075[20:43:34] <mtn_> r00t:
replaced-url
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3076[20:43:58] <missmbob> mtn_: have i been +q or something? :P
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3078[20:44:35] <contrapunctus> lol
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3080[20:45:46] <mtn_> missmbob: always makes you wonder,
doesn't it ;)
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3084[20:46:10] <mtn_> missmbob: I missed that you said it
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3086[20:46:15] <missmbob> okay good :)
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3108[20:54:25] <newbie22> ok, so I have installed debian live on
a usb drive and booted from it on a laptop, does anyone know what
the root password is ??
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3109[20:54:42] <missmbob> !live user
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3110[20:54:42] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8
"Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use.
username: user ; password: live
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3112[20:55:00] <missmbob> there is no "root". you use
sudo
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3118[20:55:53] <contrapunctus> so...anyone have any ideas?
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3123[20:57:18] <OerHeks> contrapunctus, on what machine? you
state windows 7, 32 bit? so it might have 32 bit uefi?
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3128[20:58:13] <contrapunctus> OerHeks: I don't think I
mentioned 32bit...I ran uname -a in a live install and it said i686
IIRC
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3129[20:58:23] <missmbob> that's 32-bit
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3131[20:58:46] <newbie22> missmbob: I am wanting to use the
machine for learning unix,,, can you give me the short on how to use
sudo for root
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3132[20:58:56] <newbie22> I mean linux
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3133[20:59:33] <missmbob> newbie22: when you want to run
something as root, just put sudo in front of it. sudo apt-get update
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3134[20:59:40] <contrapunctus> is i686 32-bit?
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3135[20:59:46] <missmbob> newbie22: that gives you root
priveleges
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3136[21:00:14] <missmbob> contrapunctus: it is
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3137[21:00:15] <OerHeks> contrapunctus, yes
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3138[21:00:16] <contrapunctus> missmbob: just playing xD
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3139[21:00:28] <contrapunctus> thanks, I'll try a 32 bit ISO
then /o\
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3158[21:09:22] <styler2go> does anyone know of a easy to config
dlna server for linux?
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3160[21:09:57] <missmbob> rygel is probably the easiest.
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3161[21:10:14] <styler2go> i used minidlna before but it had too
few features
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3162[21:10:39] <missmbob> rygel is very minimal. you'll want
rygel-preferences as well
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3165[21:10:52] <styler2go> i don't have ui
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3166[21:11:03] <styler2go> it's just a home file server
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3167[21:11:18] <missmbob> then dont get that package. just rygel
will do. you'll need to google how to manually configure it
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3168[21:11:25] <solrize> !jessie sysvinit
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3169[21:11:26] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
replaced-url
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3170[21:11:53] <missmbob> styler2go: it'll just work without
configuring btw.
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3171[21:12:12] <styler2go> missmbob but i need to say where my
media files are?
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3173[21:12:34] <missmbob> styler2go: i think default config
it'll just find it.
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3174[21:12:45] <styler2go> uuuh rygel can transcode on the fly.
nice one
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3175[21:12:49] <styler2go> will try it thanks :)
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3180[21:16:12] <plantfood> anyone know if debian 9 will still be
running Xorg as root ? :x
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3181[21:16:39] <rudi_s> plantfood: Depends on your login manager,
but lightdm and similar should be able to run it as non-root. Per
default X is no longer setuid.
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3184[21:19:01] <plantfood> i did an install recently without any
DE of 8.7 but it was setuid ? but an install of sid didn't have
the setuid
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3193[21:22:07] <missmbob> stretch is 9 not sid
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3194[21:22:38] <plantfood> ^ i'd guess 9 will definitely
have non-root Xorg then
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3196[21:23:00] <plantfood> *stable 9
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3247[21:51:10] <cav3at> So I've been dabbling around with
packaging, primarily looking at creating my own Python3.6 package.
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3248[21:51:39] <cav3at> After looking at the deb source packages
for existing python versions, I am entirely overwhelmed by their
size and complexity.
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3250[21:52:20] <cav3at> Do others share this sentiment about
debian packaging?
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3252[21:53:02] <adriano44> Hi anyone has got ESXi server here ?
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3305[22:13:43] <imMute> cav3at: I will admit, it took me a while
to get used to debian packaging. Even now I can't say I fully
understand it (especially the parts involving helpers other than
debhelper)
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3307[22:14:10] <imMute> cav3at: Are you looking to do something
very different or just slightly tweak the existing python3.6
package?
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3312[22:14:23] <cav3at> Thank you, imMute.
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3313[22:14:31] <CrowX-> why would my bash command prompt look
like this? \[\033[01;31m\]\u\[\033[01;33m\]@\[\033[01;36m\]\h
\[\033[01;33m\]\w \[\033[01;35m\]$ \[\033[00m\]
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3315[22:14:43] <CrowX-> instead of the normal username@hostname$
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3316[22:14:55] <cav3at> CrowX-, those are color codes
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3317[22:15:02] <cav3at> It's not escaping correctly
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3318[22:15:06] <CrowX-> why
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3319[22:15:41] <cav3at> imMute, I was partially just wanting to
learn and make something that I'd use. They only real change
that I would include is the compliation optimizations.
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3320[22:15:58] <styler2go> Ok, rygel is a pain missmbob
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3321[22:16:05] <cav3at> CrowX-, you're are running bash, I
assume?
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3322[22:17:06] <cav3at> I don't think there is an existing
python3.6 package in even testign.
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3323[22:17:07] <CrowX-> cav3at, no sh
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3324[22:17:10] <cav3at> *testing
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3326[22:18:38] <cav3at> CrowX-, could you post what your PS1 is
set to?
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3327[22:18:48] <cav3at> just echo $PS1
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3330[22:19:04] <CrowX-> cav3at, I just switched to bash, and the
problem went away
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3331[22:19:06] <CrowX-> i.e. it shows fine now
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3332[22:19:36] <cav3at> Fair enough. sh might not support the
same color codes or perhaps doesn't support them at all.
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3334[22:19:59] <DaRk_aNoMaLy13> anyone have any issues running
apt-get update with it saying there is conflicting distributions
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3336[22:20:29] <fugitive> What is the error message?
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3338[22:21:26] <DaRk_aNoMaLy13> expected stable but got opennms
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3339[22:21:42] <imMute> cav3at: I didn't see one in a quick
search, so you've got alot ahead of you then.
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3340[22:21:59] <imMute> cav3at: the Developers Reference is a
good place to start. specifically
replaced-url
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3342[22:22:23] <cav3at> I'll give that a look, imMute.
I've also been reading though the Maintainer's Guide.
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3343[22:22:43] <cav3at> However, it would probably behoove me to
reduce the scope of my first package.
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3344[22:23:05] <imMute> cav3at: I will say, you'll probably
be better off starting much smaller than Python though. The packages
I make (for $work, not Debian) are significantly smaller.
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3347[22:23:28] <cav3at> Agreed.
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3348[22:23:29] <imMute> get comfortable with debhelper and the
various tools listed in Appendix A
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3349[22:23:47] <cav3at> Will do, imMute. Bookmarking.
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3351[22:24:32] <imMute> cav3at:
replaced-url
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3353[22:25:33] <cav3at> Saw that one too. I'll dig into it
more. Finding current documentation can be frustrating at times.
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3354[22:26:06] <awal1> how to make pastebinit works with a
command plus option/argument? Example: dpkg -l | pastebinit -P -a
foo
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3356[22:26:31] <awal1> that doesnt work ^
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3365[22:30:59] <Neobenedict> is there a way
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3369[22:31:10] <Neobenedict> to mirror my server in its entirety
to another serve
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3372[22:31:10] <Neobenedict> r
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3374[22:31:19] <Neobenedict> going from
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3375[22:31:23] <Neobenedict> a 16TB raid 10
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3376[22:31:29] <Neobenedict> to 24TB no raid
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3377[22:31:48] <Neobenedict> i need to somehow combine all the
drives together
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3379[22:32:14] <Neobenedict> as my largest partition is bigger
than the individual drive sizes
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3381[22:32:31] <Neobenedict> 7.2TB = largest partition atm, the
drives are 6TB each
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3386[22:33:25] <contrapunctus> o/
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3388[22:33:30] <cav3at> You'll have to setup some type of
raid array.
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3392[22:34:25] <Neobenedict> what type of raid array doesn't
take up any storage
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3393[22:34:33] <cav3at> 0
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3394[22:34:41] <Neobenedict> i'm not using raid 0
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3399[22:35:07] <Neobenedict> is there an alternate for raid that
can just group disks together
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3400[22:35:11] <contrapunctus> I accidentally created an
installation without setting up any users (!); attempting to
re-install from the same media gives me a "failed to determine
codename of release" error at the 'installing the base
system' step; what should I do?
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3401[22:35:15] <Neobenedict> also im using software raid
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3402[22:35:16] <Neobenedict> i believe
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3403[22:35:18] <Neobenedict> so that may be a problem
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3404[22:35:33] <Neobenedict> do you think it'd be easier to
just
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3406[22:35:35] <Neobenedict> "migrate"
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3407[22:35:40] <Neobenedict> instead of trying to mirror
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3408[22:36:08] <Neobenedict> if i just copy home folders across,
my /storage drive, then apt-get install *absolutely everything at
once*
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3409[22:36:10] <Neobenedict> what could do wrong
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3410[22:36:12] <Neobenedict> go*
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3412[22:36:36] <cav3at> That actually sounds pretty decent,
Neobenedict.
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3413[22:37:01] <cav3at> aside from installing every package, but
I think that was just humor.
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3415[22:37:05] <Neobenedict> well
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3416[22:37:05] <Neobenedict> apt list --installed
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3417[22:37:09] <Neobenedict> all of those, again
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3418[22:37:19] <cav3at> Yeah. That sounds fine.
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3419[22:37:35] <Neobenedict> is there a way to group together
drives in linux
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3420[22:37:40] <Neobenedict> so with two 6tb drives
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3421[22:37:43] <Neobenedict> i could have a 12tb partition
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3422[22:37:45] <arTee> lvm?
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