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11[00:06:34] <jhutchins> menace: It depends somewhat on the repo. Which one are you trying to search for? Backport packages have bpo in the version/name, DMM have dmo.
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15[00:08:43] <mrrhq> What do you do when you don't have aptituse installed, like me? :p
16[00:08:47] <mrrhq> *aptitude
17[00:09:02] <bazhang> use apt
18[00:09:26] <dvs> dselect!
19[00:09:27] <menace> it's not a debian repo, i test new software in a virtualmachine.. and there SHOULD be a package with a name, but i cannot find it with search, so i wanted to look at the list of packages of that repo... shouldnt be too long
20[00:09:47] <menace> aptitude ist too useful not to install :>
21[00:09:52] <bazhang> what repo is it then
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24[00:10:30] <mrrhq> Actually, I use apt-cache search <regex>
25[00:10:38] <mrrhq> But yeah, works all the same.
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29[00:11:12] <menace> deb replaced-url
30[00:11:30] <noobular> Hello!
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33[00:12:08] <mrrhq> I just went to replaced-url
34[00:12:15] <mrrhq> So that would be a problem. Lol.
35[00:13:12] <noobular> When I try to run the setup, I get an error saying "This program doesn't support Windows 6.2.9200 SP0 yet."
36[00:13:29] <mrrhq> Looks like the way you install it is here: replaced-url
37[00:13:45] <mrrhq> Then you have to install the .deb file.
38[00:13:57] <menace> but when i access it via apt, it works.. it even seems to fetch translation files o_O
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40[00:14:04] <bazhang> noobular, how does windows relate to debian support
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42[00:14:32] <noobular> Trying to install Debian and format my drive and switch it to only Debian
43[00:14:40] <mrrhq> noobular: Are you tryign to run Windows programs on Linux? :p
44[00:14:51] <noobular> I'm trying to install Debian
45[00:15:05] <mrrhq> Oh okay.
46[00:15:07] <jasabella> debian is an operating system, it replaces windows in some cases
47[00:15:18] <jasabella> it isnt just regular 'software' like photoshpo
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49[00:15:48] <jasabella> ahhh are you using wasabi or something?
50[00:16:03] <bazhang> he means wubi
51[00:16:10] <bazhang> and that is for ubuntu
52[00:16:14] <noobular> I tried making a netinstCD and a bootable USB key to no avail, and so far the DVD image is giving me the same error
53[00:16:27] <mrrhq> Oh, he's using Wubi.
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55[00:16:38] <jasabella> wubi that's it
56[00:17:39] <mrrhq> Unetbootin might work.
57[00:17:59] <noobular> There a Windows version of Unetbootin? <g>
58[00:18:01] <mtn> !unetbootin
59[00:18:01] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
60[00:18:20] <vectr0n> rufus is 10x better
61[00:18:35] <mrrhq> But he's using Windows.
62[00:18:43] <vectr0n> ya its for windows ;)
63[00:18:54] <vectr0n> replaced-url
64[00:19:06] <mtn> !win32diskimager
65[00:19:06] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
66[00:19:09] <mrrhq> vectr0n: Cool, I've never heard of that one.
67[00:19:16] <vectr0n> its been flawless for years :)
68[00:19:35] <SuperTramp83> rufus is great. Congrats noobular, you are bout to do a very great thing!
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70[00:19:39] <dvs> !rufus
71[00:19:40] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
72[00:19:48] <mtn> oops
73[00:20:00] <vectr0n> ive never had issues w/ any os an rufus in the 5+ years ive used it
74[00:20:24] <mrrhq> Yeah, on the othe rhand, I've mostly had problems with unetbootin.
75[00:20:31] <vectr0n> i always do
76[00:20:32] <mrrhq> Can't there just be dd for Windows?
77[00:20:46] <vectr0n> unetbootin is a pile of.. lol
78[00:21:05] <vectr0n> but everyone has their preference :)
79[00:21:25] <bazhang> there is a windows dd
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81[00:21:36] <SuperTramp83> unetbootin hs failed me 3 out of 5 times I used it. Give or take
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84[00:21:54] <vectr0n> ya it was never consistent for me
85[00:22:06] <SuperTramp83> crap, to say the least
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95[00:25:19] <noobular> rufus seems to be working
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97[00:25:46] <mrrhq> Either that or using cp (copy): replaced-url
98[00:26:08] <mrrhq> There's a lot more info in the installation manual than I can mention: replaced-url
99[00:27:30] <noobular> installing debian was so much easier for me in the past idk why it's harder now
100[00:27:51] <dvs> noobular, you can't tell until you finish the Debian install
101[00:27:55] <jasabella> heh i usually use dd :D
102[00:28:09] <dvs> jasabella, in Windows?
103[00:28:21] <jasabella> in windows, i use win32 disk imager
104[00:28:48] <missmbob> win32diskimager works great. you just have to use what the install guide says and ignore the noise (rufus/unetbootin/etc)
105[00:29:01] <jasabella> agreed
106[00:29:11] <vectr0n> its really a preference thing these days, if something works for you and not others, keep using it ;p
107[00:29:29] <missmbob> fucking up hybrid images isn't a "preference"
108[00:30:23] <vectr0n> i never said keep using fucked up things, you missed the "if something WORKS FOR YOU and not other, keep using it" :)
109[00:30:24] <mrrhq> Installing Debian is easier if you already have a GNU/Linux live CD, or if you can burn the ISO image from Windows.
110[00:31:21] <mrrhq> But yeah, they don't seem to provide very good instructions for people using Windows already.
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123[00:40:39] <bazhang> !work
124[00:40:40] <dpkg> rumour has it, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
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130[00:44:30] <LtL> windows is perfectly capable of burning good iso images. replaced-url
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134[00:45:32] <LtL> isoburn.exe, burns cd's dvd's etc., simple
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138[00:46:56] <phogg> LtL: I used to carry around a copy of cdrecord as a win32 exe on my flash drive - no nonsense CD burning on a platform that ships without a burner
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141[00:47:36] <phogg> I believe it would still work, but it has been almost a decade since I last made use of it
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211[01:28:36] <awal1> I forgot how to find out which pkg pulled a given file in /
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214[01:29:13] <awal1> right now I want to know why I have /var/lib/AccountsService/users/Debian-gdm
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216[01:29:52] <likcoras> awal1: apt-file search?
217[01:29:56] <awal1> not sure if it came in default install or just a zombie file putten there by gdm3
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219[01:30:30] <awal1> well, I installed gdm3 time ago, but I purged it
220[01:31:17] <awal1> likcoras: I have apt-file but I use it rarelly
221[01:31:30] <awal1> apt-file search what?
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223[01:31:45] <awal1> Debian-gdm = not results
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225[01:32:01] <likcoras> Yeah, wasn't able to find anything either.
226[01:32:06] <missmbob> awal1: dpkg -S foo
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233[01:33:40] <awal1> missmbob: I think it's dpkg -S yeah, but in this case I dont know if/how it helps for check why I have that file
234[01:34:10] <awal1> dpkg -S gdm3/Debian-gdm returns nothing
235[01:34:10] <dpkg> Package: gdm3/Debian-gdm returns nothing: Status: install ok installed
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244[01:36:43] <awal1> anyone not using gnome/gdm3 can just do ls /var/lib/AccountsService/users and check if Debian-gdm is there?
245[01:37:18] <awal1> well, I know it's a stupid topic, sorry, but I'm just cleaning my system :P
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247[01:38:44] <themill> AccountsService is a thing that lets you tweak the settings of users. If you had a Debiain-gdm user there from installing gdm3 then you'd have an entry there. Lots of stuff in /var/ is not shipped in any package -- that's sort of the point of /var
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250[01:40:32] <user_> Hello
251[01:40:56] <awal1> themill: ok, I understand. I know what's accountsservice; just wasnt's really sure if it was gdm related. ok, so deleting it . thanks
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255[01:42:55] <awal1> Confuded sometimes when I see gnome-something even if no trace of gnome DE, like gnome-replaced-url
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258[01:43:30] <awal1> that's why I thought that maybe Debian-gdm is debian system related
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262[01:45:03] <awal1> well, I understand what's x-ww-browser and replaced-url
263[01:45:15] <awal1> gnome-replaced-url
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267[01:47:04] <awal1> ok "The script x-replaced-url
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270[01:48:42] <awal1> so, I guess so that gnome-ww-browser figures/is added as alternative (update-alternatives) only after installing gnome
271[01:49:25] <awal1> but, if it's the case, I dont understand why it still figuring as alternative after purging all gnome stuff
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276[01:50:49] <themill> If packages offer the alternative, they offer the alternative
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279[01:51:42] <awal1> why that alternative doesn't disappear after purging the pkg?
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281[01:52:31] <themill> "the package" being which package?
282[01:53:02] <themill> Alternatives aren't owned by only one package, they are owned by all packages that offer them
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284[01:53:49] <awal1> right now I don't know, bcuz I don't know which pkg exactly have putted gnome-replaced-url
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289[01:55:11] <themill> So how are you claiming you purged the package when you don't know what package you're talking about...
290[01:55:25] <LtL> awal1: you stated you purged gdm3, i suspect that's where you got gnome-replaced-url
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292[01:55:41] <awal1> maybe there is "something/command" which can find who offers x available alternative
293[01:55:47] <themill> No, gdm is not a gnome-replaced-url
294[01:55:49] <themill> update-alternatives --list gnome-replaced-url
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296[01:56:58] <awal1> --list = chromium/firefox here
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298[01:57:47] <themill> So if you want to get rid of gnome-replaced-url
299[01:57:51] <awal1> but that just lists gnome-replaced-url
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303[02:00:14] <awal1> well, I purged all gnome DE and gdm3 but it's impossible to purge all gnome stuff when almost all the software in the system is gtk based
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305[02:01:08] <awal1> themill: I'm just trying to understand debian a bit more; gnome-replaced-url
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307[02:02:25] <awal1> I googled so much but I still haven't found how to check with a simple command why x file is in /home or /
308[02:02:28] <themill> You're confusing packages saying "I can be used as gnome-replaced-url
309[02:02:40] <themill> awal1: that's because there is no way of knowing
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316[02:05:01] <awal1> what if i dont have any browser?
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319[02:06:50] <themill> gnome-core Depends firefox-esr (>= 30) | firefox (>= 30) | chromium
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321[02:06:56] <themill> good luck with that
322[02:07:01] <awal1> hm, ok
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325[02:09:21] <awal1> ok, Mr themill, I learned a bit more today
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328[02:11:34] <n4dir> pretty tired, not sure if i get it all, but did you consider "aptitude why <pkg_name>" awal1?
329[02:11:43] <awal1> i like gnome project and software, they "shouldn't" had to introduce gnome-shell
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331[02:12:25] <awal1> n4dir: you mean aptitude why .xinitrc ? LOl
332[02:12:37] <awal1> just a joke, it wasn't the "topic" :P
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334[02:13:06] <n4dir> no, i meant rather why gnome-replaced-url
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336[02:13:50] <awal1> aptitude looks for pkg, not scripts :)
337[02:15:07] <n4dir> what scripts?
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339[02:15:12] <awal1> aptitude why gnome-replaced-url
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342[02:16:34] <awal1> n4dir: I was just asking about trivial/minor stuff; about browser alternatives; forget it ;)
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345[02:17:07] <ryouma> i know feb 5 is the freeze. usually what's the time scale after that to release?
346[02:18:13] <awal1> usually 2/4 months
347[02:18:46] <awal1> stretch will be released for sure in 1017 :P
348[02:19:35] <awal1> 1000+ RC bugs right now
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353[02:24:17] <ryouma> the middle ages, then?
354[02:24:40] <ryouma> ok, i was getting excited about the freeze. should temper my excitement.
355[02:25:08] <n4dir> yeah. still a bit to go.
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357[02:25:44] <awal1> no body can tell you when exactly; all depends on the RC bugs
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360[02:27:18] <ryouma> this is a silly question, probably: is a post-freeze debian subjectively better or worse for most people than stable? i'm totally happy with old versions of almost everything except like 2-3 things, one of which i tried to backport and it was impossible.
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363[02:28:03] <n4dir> stable will stay the way that it is. during the freeze. i think ... :-)
364[02:28:13] <ryouma> i mean post-freeze testing
365[02:28:49] <ryouma> i.e. do some reasonably conservative people upgrade after the freeze and before the release?
366[02:28:52] <wpostma> Depends on what you want to do. For me, Sid is stable enough. I'm no most people though.
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369[02:29:31] <ryouma> i guess rc bug means worse than stable
370[02:29:33] <wpostma> I don't upgrade production SERVERS that run debian until some time after the new release.
371[02:29:39] <n4dir> whew. that is a tough one. Imho it may take longer to get fixes from unstable into testing? People focus on RC-bugs, to prepare the new release
372[02:29:47] <wpostma> But I run my workstation on the bleeding edge.
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378[02:31:36] <awal1> I have a sid machine since 2 years for home use; never had problems; except a punctual bug bcuz of x transition
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380[02:32:09] <n4dir> ryouma: in general i for one can't say that any of stable/testing/unstable was ever outstanding unstable for me (most of the time i ran sid though)
381[02:32:41] <awal1> ryouma: very precaucious people migrates from old stable to stable a few months after the release
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386[02:37:19] <awal1> ryouma: you can follow here replaced-url
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388[02:37:28] <ryouma> i will check that link out
389[02:37:31] <ryouma> if i knew that i had a disk with a good, bootable version of stable to fall back to (i.e. i run a command to copyt he current runnign root and boot to a new drive, and it will boot just like the current one, and i can update it as stable even while running sid or testing on the other drive), it would not be an issue for me. but the one thing i care about most (bootability, getting x up, etc.) is the one thing i kno
390[02:37:32] <ryouma> w from experience i do not have under control. if it were just packages coming in and having bogus conflicts or something, i would have less issue with sid or testing.
391[02:38:24] <awal1> this is the important part there "Number concerning the next release: ..."
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396[02:40:20] <awal1> running unstable/testing you almost never know what will happens when you upgrade your system/x pkg(s)
397[02:40:37] <n4dir> ryouma: you could fool around with testing or sid in VirtualBox or qemu or such.
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399[02:41:16] <awal1> with stable almost all works fine all the time, updates aren't frequent.
400[02:41:38] <n4dir> you sure want to install apt-listbugs, i think apt-listchanges too (pkg-name?), and you will want to get your head into a good backup solution
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402[02:41:51] <awal1> I have to dist-upgrade my sid system, when possible, almost 2 times daily
403[02:41:56] <n4dir> dpkg testig
404[02:41:56] <dpkg> n4dir: no idea
405[02:41:57] <ryouma> n4dir: yeah i'm only interested in it for use. and i understand the folly of a whole new version of an os just for like 3 apps.
406[02:42:10] <n4dir> dpkg testing
407[02:42:10] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
408[02:42:20] <n4dir> yeah, apt-listchanges
409[02:43:38] <n4dir> ryouma: i got no clear opion on that. stable has advantages too. if dual boot is an option, you still got a working system (and the bootmanager from stable, so that will be no problem too).
410[02:43:53] <awal1> apt-listbugs/changes helps a lot, but a non reported bug doesn't mean it can't appear in your system suddenly when you upgrade bcuz of x reasons
411[02:44:07] <n4dir> hence the backup, awal1
412[02:44:14] <awal1> yeah
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414[02:45:21] <ryouma> it's the dual boot that isn't working for me. i have 2 drives, but grub and initrd have thrown me so many times in the past, including by updating some drive that i wanted to be sacrosanct, that i just don't ahve dual boot under control.
415[02:45:43] <n4dir> what i have experienced: it *can happen. But it doesn't happen often (something like a sid which doesn't boot at all anymore ...).
416[02:46:05] <n4dir> ryouma: got you. I for one gave up on dual boot too .
417[02:46:17] <awal1> personally i never had important bugs, but I only run a minimal system + a few WM's
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419[02:46:42] <awal1> ryouma: if you only have 1 machine and it's a production one, don't run testing/unstable
420[02:47:43] <n4dir> ryouma: what are the apps you miss never versions, btw?
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439[02:59:04] <ryouma> he's gone, but at night i find some apps' bg colors to be much too bright for health (white) and newer version of deluge has an option for that. i know there are toolkit things you can try, but i am not up to that level. and i'd like to have newer versions of qtbittorrent, deluge, vlc, and weather(1) to fix bugs or get support (if i ask qeustionson their channels they say the version is too old).
440[02:59:13] <ryouma> otoh i am totally happy with an ancient grep :)
441[02:59:33] <pennTeller> Hi guys, I am a debian newbie (have only used it for about a month) and am having trouble getting a usb wifi device to work ( Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2070 Wireless Adapter)
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443[02:59:35] <ryouma> i tried backporting qtbittorrent and it was impossible
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446[02:59:47] <pennTeller> I've googled but cant find a way to do it
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451[03:00:59] <bhurstpdx> pennTeller: replaced-url
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454[03:01:17] <pennTeller> bhurstpdx, thanks man
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456[03:01:41] <bhurstpdx> yeah no problem
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463[03:05:19] <awal1> ryouma: about theming, I use greybird (ported to gtk3 in testing/sid) and mate theme (blue) they are not bright as adwaita and some kde theme, so really less "aggressive" almost if you reduce screen brightness; but I dont know how integrated are those themes with gnome, if that's what you use
464[03:06:00] <ryouma> awal1: i use fluxbox, so i don't get any handholding with all that stuff :/
465[03:06:30] <ryouma> i try lxappearance or some such, and it usually screws somethign up (not least of which is that it screws up my ~ symlinks but never mind that)
466[03:07:20] <awal1> ryouma: so check greybir-gtk-theme and mate-themes pkgs, they are the only ones perfectly integrated with gtk2/3/qt
467[03:07:58] <ryouma> oh, huh, i just install a package to do this?
468[03:08:24] <ryouma> that's convenient
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470[03:08:34] <ryouma> oh, it's not on jessie
471[03:08:35] <awal1> I'm talking about stretch & unstable versions, not sure if backported
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473[03:08:41] <ryouma> not yet
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475[03:09:16] <awal1> ,v mate-themes
476[03:09:17] <judd> Package: mate-themes on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9.2-1; stretch: 3.22.3-1; stretch: 3.22.4-1; sid: 3.22.4-1
477[03:09:35] <awal1> ,v greybird-gtk-theme
478[03:09:36] <judd> Package: greybird-gtk-theme on amd64 -- stretch: 3.20.1-1; stretch: 3.22.0-1; sid: 3.22.0-1
479[03:10:01] <awal1> greybird is a bit mmore "darker"
480[03:10:15] <ryouma> i want less blue, so i will try it
481[03:10:18] <ryouma> and i want more dark
482[03:10:49] <ryouma> however, i am not confident that i can backport it
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485[03:12:29] <awal1> totally dark, but eye candy you have "arc-theme " pkg(arc-dark variant is nice, but nore yet fully polished)
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487[03:13:19] <awal1> ,v arc-theme
488[03:13:21] <judd> Package: arc-theme on amd64 -- stretch: 20161005-1; sid: 20161119-1; stretch: 20161119-1
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490[03:14:58] <ryouma> also not in jessie
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493[03:15:50] <awal1> pretty sure you'll like greybird, that's what I'm using under openbox, fluxbox and fvwm
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496[03:17:05] <awal1> not backported; so you'll be able to use it in 4&6 months :P
497[03:17:17] <awal1> 4/6
498[03:17:56] <ryouma> i've taken note of it, thanks
499[03:19:30] <awal1> well, you have a ton of murrine themes, not bright; but gtk3 based apps (evince and so) will not use them
500[03:20:20] <awal1> apt-get install murrine-themes
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547[03:51:29] <newcoder> cp -arf /media/sda2 /media/usb-fat32-drive , can't create symlink operation is not permitted, why is this error?
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554[03:55:46] <sonOfRa> newcoder: because GNU cp defaults to -P which doesn't dereference symbolic links. Now you're trying to create a symbolic link between two devices, which is not allowed.
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558[03:58:23] <ryouma> awal1: thanks
559[03:58:32] <ryouma> sonOfRa: really? those look like mounts
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563[03:59:44] <ryouma> oh, you're saying something underneath is a symlink?
564[04:00:13] <sonOfRa> oh, nevermind, I was confusing soft links and hard links
565[04:00:35] <sonOfRa> the more probable cause is that fat32 does not support symlinks
566[04:00:54] <sonOfRa> judging by the path of the second device, it looks like it's a fat32 FS
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574[04:05:03] <ryouma> that sounds right
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784[04:53:15] <mrproper> I have a new Debian VM installed and NTP doesn’t appear to want to run. I do an /etc/init.d/ntp start and it says it started but then isn’t showing up in ps.
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788[04:54:09] <mrproper> Looks like it’s working now. I had to stop it in init.d.
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823[05:16:39] <Juzzy> if I hit Alt-f2 during an install, what can I use as a manual partitioner? fdisk and gparted are not installed
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825[05:16:55] <Juzzy> but there is a gparted_server and _devices
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828[05:17:17] <Juzzy> gparted_devices seems to do a scan
829[05:17:40] <Juzzy> and _server starts up a bg process
830[05:18:56] <Juzzy> there's a kpartx but I think that's something for LVM ?
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832[05:19:22] <dvs> parted?
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834[05:20:15] <Juzzy> sorry, there's a parted_server and parted_devices, no 'parted'by itself
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836[05:21:04] <likcoras> Juzzy: In the "load additional components" stage, I think you can load parted.
837[05:21:42] <likcoras> Don't remember exactly what it is called in the menu though.
838[05:21:54] <Juzzy> ya, I'm looking
839[05:23:47] <Juzzy> hrm I'll keep screwing with it, its a kvm image, it's having a tough time finding the disk, even though parted_devices can see it.
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841[05:24:10] <Juzzy> thanks
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864[05:53:06] <luxio> If I burn the Debian install ISO to my USB drive, can I still install Debian onto that USB drive and run the OS off of it?
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867[05:53:49] <themill> the same usb stick can't be the source and destination for the installer
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869[05:55:01] <luxio> themill: Probably a dumb question but can I put the installer on an SD card?
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877[06:00:38] <maskara> hey guys im hoping someone has seen this ..iget it when i start synaptic and after this error it closes replaced-url
878[06:01:02] <maskara> sorry wrong clipboard item...sec
879[06:01:16] <hypermist> is there any netcore sdk package for debian
880[06:01:16] <hypermist> ?
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882[06:01:31] <themill> luxio: if your hardware can boot off it, then it should work
883[06:02:00] <maskara> E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
884[06:02:00] <maskara> E: The list of sources could not be read.
885[06:02:00] <maskara> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
886[06:02:00] <maskara> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
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890[06:03:02] <dvs> maskara: The location of the problem is pretty obvious to me.
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892[06:03:35] <maskara> yes ..but that file comes up empty when i look
893[06:03:57] <maskara> ive tried adding repos
894[06:04:10] <maskara> same error
895[06:04:18] <dvs> maskara, if that file is empty then that's a BIG problem
896[06:04:23] <dvs> but I doubt it's empty
897[06:04:49] <maskara> lemme take a screenshot
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918[06:20:24] <hypermist> is that a no that there isnt a netcore for debian ?
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924[06:25:56] <hypermist> oh nvm
925[06:25:57] <hypermist> :D
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928[06:28:25] <maskara> dvs i think i got it thanx tho
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1042[07:44:42] <gho> Hi, I'm using firewalld for a home router. How do I allow internal hosts to access the external ip address (e.g. the port forwards from it).
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1057[07:51:01] <jscoder> gho: do you have direct access and a graphical interface on this router or are you using it headless or console only?
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1061[07:54:08] <gho> jscoder: console only
1062[07:54:31] <gho> jscoder: basically, I have a webserver on the internal interface, and a web server on the external interface, and I want to access the webserver on the external interface from the internal network
1063[07:54:57] <gho> if I telnet to external ip from internal, then I get the internal webserver
1064[07:55:57] <jscoder> gho: are you running these web servers both on the same IP?
1065[07:56:31] <gho> no, one is running on the internal ip and the other the external ip
1066[07:56:48] <gho> they are bound correctly, it's just the firewalld iptables rules are not routing it correctly
1067[07:57:05] <gho> I'm sure if I manually configure iptables it'll work, I'm just not sure what's stopping it with firewalld
1068[07:57:28] <gho> err wait sorry
1069[07:57:59] <gho> the webserver running on the router is bound to 0.0.0.0, but the external interface has a port redirect to a webserver on the internal network (e.g. like a dmz)
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1072[07:58:36] <gho> if I am external then I get the correct server, but if I connect to the external IP frominternally the the port forward isn't applied
1073[08:00:00] <gho> I've tried doing iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -d externalip/32 -j PRE_public
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1075[08:00:31] <gho> where PRE_public contains the DNAT rules
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1080[08:03:21] <jscoder> gho: networking isn't my strong suit, but this isn't making sense to me. If you're running a webserver on the router and want two different sites one available internally and one externally it'd be solely a matter of binding in the server config the firewall should not be interferring with access to the external server.
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1089[08:07:26] <jscoder> the very definition of a server being external means its exposed outside the firewall unless there were a rule explicitly denying access to it or access to the outside nothing in the firewall should be preventing access to that server. It would be a misconfiguration of the server itself
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1092[08:07:40] <AlexLikeRock> jscoder, you can not go to your OWN EXTERNAL IP
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1097[08:08:28] <jscoder> AlexLikeRock: well that would be my second point, you would not want to access the server that way from inside, you'd use its local IP and have the two servers running on different ports
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1099[08:09:02] <AlexLikeRock> if you have apache, try go, at addres bar at firefox replaced-url
1100[08:09:08] <AlexLikeRock> they say NOT FOUND
1101[08:09:35] <AlexLikeRock> jscoder, but its seame IP
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1103[08:09:48] <AlexLikeRock> no matter ports
1104[08:10:26] <AlexLikeRock> its the same EXTERNAL IP
1105[08:10:33] <jscoder> that would be due to the configuration and where its bound. the port difference would allow you to bind it internally as well and not conflict with the internal server
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1108[08:11:06] <jscoder> but we seem not to disagree that this is not a firewall issue, its a web server configuration issue
1109[08:11:14] <AlexLikeRock> YES
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1111[08:11:44] <AlexLikeRock> try witth Virtualbox
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1113[08:11:55] <AlexLikeRock> they use IP 10.0.0.2
1114[08:12:02] <AlexLikeRock> or VPN
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1116[08:12:12] <AlexLikeRock> some one FREE VPN
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1118[08:12:19] <jscoder> yeah, I'm not the one with the problem, gho was the one asking about it. I thought it was a simple matter of answering how to set a port forward which was why I chimed in
1119[08:12:26] <AlexLikeRock> to take a different IP EXTERNAL
1120[08:12:49] <AlexLikeRock> manual IPTABLES
1121[08:12:51] <AlexLikeRock> ask to google
1122[08:12:58] <AlexLikeRock> got it go
1123[08:12:59] <AlexLikeRock> bye bye
1124[08:13:02] <AlexLikeRock> good luck
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1126[08:13:48] <jscoder> port forwarding won't fix this.. you don't forward internal ports to external ports to access your external server from inside.. thats something you do by binding your server properly
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1138[08:18:31] <gho> jscoder, yes the problem is the external server isnt on the router, it's in the dmz
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1140[08:18:37] <echosystm> hi guys
1141[08:18:44] <echosystm> i've set up debian as a home router
1142[08:18:49] <gho> I've made some progress, firewalld has rules in both mangle and nat atbles
1143[08:18:51] <echosystm> however, some websites won't load up
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1145[08:19:02] <echosystm> i can ping them, but web requests fail
1146[08:19:11] <gho> echosystm, what happens when you telnet to port 80
1147[08:19:31] <echosystm> it connects fine
1148[08:19:41] <echosystm> i can even type some gibberish and get an error page back
1149[08:19:42] <gho> what happens in the browser
1150[08:19:49] <echosystm> the browser hangs indefinitely
1151[08:19:58] <echosystm> curl -v replaced-url
1152[08:20:09] <echosystm> it connects, sends the request and then just sits there
1153[08:20:10] <echosystm> no reply
1154[08:20:10] <gho> can you pastebin your iptable rules
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1156[08:20:23] <echosystm> sure
1157[08:20:24] <gho> for the nat table
1158[08:20:26] <gho> also
1159[08:20:32] <echosystm> just quickly though
1160[08:20:42] <echosystm> if i curl -v replaced-url
1161[08:20:44] <echosystm> it works
1162[08:20:55] <echosystm> what pastebin would you like me to use?
1163[08:21:03] <echosystm> gist ok?
1164[08:21:09] <gho> whichever, use iptables-save to print the rules
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1166[08:21:33] <gho> also, can you do: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
1167[08:22:27] <gho> generally you need:
1168[08:22:31] <echosystm> replaced-url
1169[08:22:59] <echosystm> ok just to clarify though 90% of websites work, theres only a handful that don't
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1171[08:24:06] <gho> what happens if you do (temporarily) iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
1172[08:24:06] <echosystm> ppp0 is my pppoe interface
1173[08:24:21] <echosystm> i tried that
1174[08:24:23] <echosystm> no change
1175[08:24:23] <gho> can you cat ip_forward too
1176[08:24:31] <echosystm> ip_forward just has "1"
1177[08:24:34] <gho> ok
1178[08:24:49] <gho> I'd probably wireshark at this stage
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1180[08:25:30] <gho> your ppp interface
1181[08:25:36] <gho> what is it? dialup?
1182[08:25:47] <echosystm> pppoe over fibre
1183[08:25:57] <gho> It might be an mtu problem
1184[08:25:59] <echosystm> i live in an apartment with fiber to the home
1185[08:26:18] <echosystm> i tried to set mtu in my pppd conf to 1300
1186[08:26:23] <echosystm> but that didnt do anything
1187[08:26:35] <echosystm> do i need to change the mtu on the underlying ethernet interface too?
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1189[08:26:51] <gho> I'm not an expert on mtu problems, but I recently had an mtu problem on an openvpn connection and used mssfix to drop it
1190[08:27:02] <gho> to fix it
1191[08:27:16] <echosystm> what is mssfix?
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1194[08:27:36] <gho> Oh it seems it's an openvpn specific thing
1195[08:27:37] <gho> sorry
1196[08:27:41] <echosystm> ok
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1198[08:27:55] <gho> but I got similar problem on my box with mtu problem, some things worked others didnt
1199[08:28:19] <echosystm> is it possible to have an mtu too low?
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1201[08:28:36] <gho> I dont think so, try with like 500
1202[08:28:41] <echosystm> i feel like this is a routing problem
1203[08:28:53] <echosystm> i know that my ISPs wholesaler does weird shit with this website
1204[08:29:08] <gho> hmm, your iptables rules are very similar to mine
1205[08:29:17] <echosystm> also another website that doesnt work (quora) is on a cdn and probably has some weird peering setup
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1207[08:29:48] <gho> are you on bell
1208[08:29:54] <echosystm> whats bell?
1209[08:29:58] <gho> ISP
1210[08:30:01] <echosystm> nope
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1212[08:30:04] <echosystm> i live in australia
1213[08:30:18] <gho> echosystm, try: replaced-url
1214[08:30:23] <gho> that's all I've got I'm afraid
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1217[08:30:39] <echosystm> ok i'll give it a try
1218[08:30:43] <echosystm> thanks for your help
1219[08:30:51] <gho> np
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1222[08:31:43] <gho> the section on mss clamping sounds not dissimilar to what you're experiencing
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1225[08:33:13] <echosystm> i think i've got it!
1226[08:33:21] <echosystm> arch wiki to the rescue, with your suggestion
1227[08:33:41] <echosystm> replaced-url
1228[08:33:47] <echosystm> "Masquerading seems to be working fine but some sites do not work"
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1230[08:34:07] <gho> nice
1231[08:34:08] <gho> !
1232[08:34:11] <gho> does it work?
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1234[08:34:24] <echosystm> about to find out
1235[08:35:42] <echosystm> fuck yeah! fixed it!
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1237[08:35:48] <gho> fantastic congrats!
1238[08:35:51] <echosystm> thanks very much for prodding me in the right direction
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1240[08:36:01] <gho> glad it works!
1241[08:36:05] <echosystm> ive been pulling my hair out over this for days haha
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1243[08:36:14] <gho> yeah the problem i had with openvpn did the same! :-)
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1245[08:36:19] <yolan> Hello when i try to install a program with a shell script i have the following error:
1246[08:36:31] <yolan> Error: None of the items in $PATH are writable. Run with sudo or add a $PATH item that you have access to.
1247[08:36:44] <yolan> And when i run it with sudo i get the same error
1248[08:36:56] <yolan> I run the script in ~
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1251[08:39:30] <echosystm> alrighty time for a reboot to see if this survives haha
1252[08:39:32] <echosystm> thanks again
1253[08:39:33] <echosystm> cya
1254[08:39:37] <gho> cya!
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1303[09:06:49] <Turiya> I've got an issue with debian 8.6.0 installing off usb onto a m.2 hard drive.
1304[09:06:53] <Turiya> grub fails to install?
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1311[09:11:21] <yolan> Hello when i try to install a program with a shell script i have the following error:
1312[09:11:21] <yolan> <yolan> Error: None of the items in $PATH are writable. Run with sudo or add a $PATH item that you have access to.
1313[09:11:21] <yolan> <yolan> And when i run it with sudo i get the same error
1314[09:11:21] <yolan> <yolan> I run the script in ~
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1320[09:15:16] <Stummi> yolan, what exactly do you not understand about the error message?
1321[09:15:35] <Stummi> (also, just don't blindly run some "install scripts" found in the internet without knowing what you are doing)
1322[09:16:39] <yolan> Stummi, i don't understand why it do not work.
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1340[09:30:49] <yottanami> I need to check an external hard disk is ok or no. what is the fastest way to make a report about hardware problems and bad sectors?
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1348[09:35:46] <Stummi> yottanami, smart is quick but less reliable, badblocks is more reliable but much slower. Decide yourself
1349[09:36:36] <Stummi> yolan, does your PATH has a entry your user can write at?
1350[09:36:37] <petemc> also, the usb part of external hard disks can break too
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1360[09:39:19] <malynome> Hey guys
1361[09:39:55] <malynome> Since a couple of weeks ago when I had to downgrade some packages, I've been having an error with GdkPixBuf, specifically when loading programs like firefox or emacs, and causing crashes in firefox when trying to invoke a menu, for example when trying to download a file.
1362[09:40:14] <malynome> The errors I'm getting are replaced-url
1363[09:40:44] <Silmaril> Hello guys, is there someone experienced with preseed in the room ? i'm using it to instanciate VM (wheezy for now) and i seem to have a problem with the boot parameter netcfg/get_nameservers not taken into accound
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1367[09:42:31] <yottanami> Stummi, I just installed e2fsprogs but there is no badblocks command! How can I install badblocks?
1368[09:42:45] <yolan> Stummi, i don't really understand what that means. I run the script in ~ where i can write freely
1369[09:42:49] <yottanami> Stummi, there is mbackblocks
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1377[09:45:06] <Stummi> yolan, PATH is not your PWD
1378[09:45:38] <Stummi> yolan, look at "echo $PATH" - its a list of places where your shell looks at for invoking commands
1379[09:46:23] <Stummi> yolan, this "install script" probably wants to put a executable file somewhere in your PATH but it can't, because your $PATH does not contain anything its allowed to write at
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1386[09:48:33] <yolan> Stummi, Ok echo $PATH give me /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
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1397[09:54:48] <echosystm> how can i basically remove an interface from my routing table entirely?
1398[09:55:33] <echosystm> i want all internet traffic to go through the defaultgateway, even if one of my tunnels is a more direct route
1399[09:56:47] <echosystm> the tunnels only get used for policy routing
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1410[10:03:53] <penetration> LOL
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1445[10:23:05] <ws2k3> jelly and after a while this happens wc -l /proc/net/ipv6_route
1446[10:23:05] <ws2k3> wc: /proc/net/ipv6_route: Cannot allocate memory
1447[10:23:05] <ws2k3> 0 /proc/net/ipv6_route
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1454[10:30:55] <darxmurf> I have a NFS4+krb5i setup here (well, I'm trying...). I only configured Machines keys, I can mount my export from the client and access it with the root account and only if the export on the server is chmoded 777
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1457[10:31:43] <darxmurf> I can't access it with a standard user account and when I list my folder from it, I have: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? mnt
1458[10:32:26] <darxmurf> my export options are: (sync,rw,subtree_check,sec=krb5i)
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1461[10:35:17] <darxmurf> and I get an "access denied" if I try to access the mountpoint with my user account
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1466[10:36:59] <penetration> beer
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1483[10:44:45] <darxmurf> in 10 min \o/
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1485[10:45:14] <darxmurf> Barley wine aged 24 months in "vin de paille" and Whisky casks
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1497[10:49:32] <jelly> penetration: this here is a tech support channel. Unless you got a tech question or answer about something in Debian, please keep quiet
1498[10:49:46] <jelly> #debian-offtopic or ##chat for chat
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1525[10:56:19] <penetration> jelly hello
1526[10:56:25] <penetration> just now saw your pink
1527[10:56:27] <penetration> *ping
1528[10:56:45] <penetration> and it annoys me. i don't like you, your attitude, or your nick
1529[10:56:57] <penetration> you need peanut butter to be complete
1530[10:57:01] <penetration> you're no good alone
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1548[11:03:35] <stoned> huh
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1551[11:03:56] <stoned> poke the jelly and watch it jiggle :D
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1599[11:25:40] <ws2k3> jelly any other way to contact the debian-lts team? i have send them an email but i have not recieved any reply
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1603[11:26:44] <jelly> ws2k3: they have an irc channel, as has the kernel team, but I bet they're going to tell you to file a bug report
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1605[11:27:20] <jelly> #debian-lts and #debian-kernel are both on OFTC, ws2k3
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1607[11:28:06] <jelly> ws2k3: did you try the backport kernel in the meantime?
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1609[11:28:26] <jelly> I mean, this is oldstable after all. Don't expect it to be a priority
1610[11:28:28] <ws2k3> jelly no need to do that cause i have some machines on jessie and there i dont have this issue
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1615[11:28:39] <jelly> ws2k3: so why not use that
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1622[11:31:57] <ws2k3> jelly cause debian 7 is still supported until 2018 so it would be a good idea to fix this
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1628[11:33:24] <jelly> ws2k3: good for whom? You have a known workaround, and fixing and testing kernels is work.
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1630[11:33:58] <jelly> test the wheezy-bpo kernel, file a damn bug report, and mention the issue is fixed
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1647[11:45:44] <ws2k3> jelly do i need jessie backports repo or which onw?
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1649[11:46:07] <somiaj> not for wheezy, you use wheezy-backports.
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1651[11:46:26] <ws2k3> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
1652[11:46:48] <ws2k3> i have set it like this deb replaced-url
1653[11:46:48] <ws2k3> deb-src replaced-url
1654[11:47:00] <bezaban> !wheezy backports
1655[11:47:01] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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1657[11:47:35] <somiaj> ws2k3: replaced-url
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1661[11:48:04] <petn-randall> ws2k3: How would any parser know if wheezy-backports is a release or a suite in your example?
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1666[11:48:40] <somiaj> oh wait, yea error with sources.list
1667[11:49:12] <ws2k3> hmm what wrong with my 2 lines?
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1669[11:49:31] <somiaj> ws2k3: compare them to what the bot said
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1674[11:53:10] <GPenguin> maybe this little tool can help you with your sources.list: replaced-url
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1682[11:54:30] <Debianlvl1> Hallo alle zusammen / Hello all :-)
1683[11:55:00] <GPenguin> :) hallo Debianlvl1
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1711[12:10:01] <FinalX> hmm, we have our own repository and are trying out stretch; now APT is complaining on an update, saying "The following signatures were invalid: <keyid>", even though that key id is the same as a key that is listed -and valid until 2024- in "apt-key list".. no other error/indicator is given, no REVKEYSIG or something.. any ideas?
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1714[12:10:36] <FinalX> (the apt-key list part is identical to that on wheezy/jessie servers)
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1725[12:18:02] <ws2k3> jelly i installed the pbo now going to keep an eye on it if the issue comes back but i dont think so
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1741[12:24:20] <Debianlvl1> I have my first web server on Debian furnished :) Will me intensively deal with Debian is quite new but a very learnable Noob :)
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1745[12:26:07] <Ooze> I have these two entries in my fstab, but only site2 is mounted. If I run 'sudo mount -a', they'll both work though
1746[12:26:09] <Ooze> replaced-url
1747[12:26:12] <Ooze> Any ideas?
1748[12:27:13] <Debianlvl1> Ubuntu?
1749[12:27:38] <Ooze> jessie
1750[12:27:41] <Ooze> Debian 8.6
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1753[12:29:21] <Debianlvl1> google helps?
1754[12:29:45] <Debianlvl1> Iam new in Debian :)
1755[12:29:52] <Ooze> ya that's where I got it
1756[12:29:56] <Ooze> I've gathered that
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1762[12:36:55] <petn-randall> Ooze: if you run 'systemctl', you should see a systemd unit somewhere that represents that mount.
1763[12:37:26] <petn-randall> Ooze: That should have failed. Then you can check the output of that unit with 'journalctl -u <unit name>'.
1764[12:37:29] <Ooze> yup I see one instance
1765[12:37:38] <Ooze> no it's loaded and active
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1769[12:38:23] <petn-randall> Ooze: It's probably also logged into /var/log/messages or daemon.log.
1770[12:38:36] <petn-randall> Ooze: Nice, now you need to check the logs for errors.
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1772[12:39:45] <Ooze> replaced-url
1773[12:40:25] <Ooze> is one trying to mount before networking is finished?
1774[12:40:30] <Ooze> and the later one is mounting fine?
1775[12:40:54] <petn-randall> Ooze: Wait, so there are more mount points which this mount depends on?
1776[12:41:09] <Ooze> huh
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1778[12:41:15] <Ooze> this is an NFS share
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1780[12:41:50] <petn-randall> Ooze: I see. Can you show me all relevant fstab entries?
1781[12:41:58] <Ooze> replaced-url
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1785[12:44:24] <petn-randall> Ooze: Looks like there is some timing error, where it tries to mount that first bind mount, but the NFS mount isn't up yet.
1786[12:44:37] <Ooze> Yeah, can I delay it somehow?
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1788[12:45:33] <petn-randall> Ooze: Check 'man mount' and look for the _netdev option. That'll probably fix it for you.
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1790[12:46:14] <petn-randall> Ooze: I'm guessing the bug isn't 100% reproducible? Since it depends on if the NFS mounts properly before a certain timeout.
1791[12:46:40] <Ooze> every time I've rebooted it's failed to mount
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1793[12:46:53] <towo^work> i would use x-systemd.automount
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1795[12:47:24] <towo^work> that are my options for a network-share: nofail,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=30,_netdev
1796[12:48:18] <towo^work> + noauto <= that's important
1797[12:48:36] <Ooze> WIll this line work? replaced-url
1798[12:49:00] <Ooze> oh
1799[12:49:20] <towo^work> auto ==> noauto
1800[12:49:27] <petn-randall> Ooze: I'm guessing that adding _netdev on NFS and both bind mounts might already be enough. But best is to try it and see. :)
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1803[12:49:56] <Ooze> Edit the binds rather than the nfs mount?
1804[12:50:49] <petn-randall> Ooze: I'd add "_netdev" to all three.
1805[12:50:59] <petn-randall> and then test it.
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1808[12:53:19] <Ooze> Okay, brb
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2147[13:36:17] <darxmurf> There is no way to mount a NFS4+Kerberos share only using a Machine Key and make this mount available to everybody using the machine ?
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2166[13:51:18] <darxmurf> well, apparently not: WARNING: Failed to create krb5 context for user with uid 1075 for server xxxxxx
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2316[15:03:01] <gerforce> i have a problem with my wireless conection in debian jessie. When i connected to any wireless router, the speed was 150M/s at first,but it changed to 15M/s automatically. I have dual systems installed on my laptop. In windows 7, the wireless card works great.
2317[15:03:52] <gerforce> I think it may be the driver problem? Anybody encountered that?
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2323[15:08:01] <maddawg2> sounds like a driver to me
2324[15:08:11] <maddawg2> what kind of wifi card?
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2330[15:10:44] <gerforce1> maddawg2: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01)
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2333[15:11:13] <maddawg2> i dont know if they make linux drivers for that card
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2335[15:11:16] <maddawg2> but you could check
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2361[15:16:09] <petn-randall> gerforce1: Did you install the firmware-realtek package yet? Might be that the built-in firmware is buggy.
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2364[15:16:22] <gerforce> maddawg: so i should look the proprietary driver instead of the free one which i am using?
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2366[15:17:11] <petn-randall> gerforce1: I would do that, usually they're worse than the FOSS ones.
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2368[15:17:36] <petn-randall> *wouldn't
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2370[15:17:45] <maddawg2> sometimes
2371[15:17:50] <gerforce1> petn-randall: i have installed the firmware-realtek package
2372[15:18:06] <maddawg2> i had a driver provided by intel for a intel wifi card for linux and it worked perfectly
2373[15:18:20] <maddawg2> better than the free one that installed with debian
2374[15:18:28] <petn-randall> gerforce1: Did you reboot after that?
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2378[15:18:52] <gerforce1> petn-randall: After what?
2379[15:18:59] <maddawg2> it kept crapping out on me and then i found one on their site for linux and it worked fine
2380[15:19:00] <petn-randall> gerforce1: After installing the firmware.
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2382[15:19:31] <gerforce1> petn-randall: firmware-realtek?
2383[15:19:38] <petn-randall> yes
2384[15:19:44] <gerforce1> petn-randall: yes.
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2386[15:20:03] <petn-randall> gerforce1: Then the next option would be to install a kernel from backports, and see if the problem goes away.
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2388[15:20:31] <petn-randall> !jessie-backports
2389[15:20:31] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
2390[15:20:32] <zykotick9> maddawg2 just fyi, but intel doesn't have free wifi drivers :( thus debian has non-free packages for intel wireless support.
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2395[15:21:43] <petn-randall> zykotick9: Which is that? I thought intel always developed their drivers for the kernel themselves and put it upstream before the actual hardware is out.
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2398[15:23:00] <gerforce1> petn-randall: so i should replace by current kernel with the new one for Stretch?
2399[15:23:01] <gerforce1> /s/by/my
2400[15:23:01] <zykotick9> petn-randall: i dunno... i'm just commenting that intel "WIRELESS" is always a problem for me. i have several intel wireless mini-pci network card for sale <- joking you could have them for free ;)
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2416[15:26:43] <babilen> zykotick9: I've never had a single problem with intel wireless .. curious
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2418[15:27:36] <dvs> zykotick9, my Intel wireless has a two minute delay before it would work.
2419[15:27:38] <zykotick9> babilen: i'm not saying there are technical problems with intel wireless. it's a non-starter for me, as i don't use non-free repo/drivers/etc. /me even runs libreboot
2420[15:28:19] <babilen> zykotick9: Which processor do you use?
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2424[15:28:50] <zykotick9> babilen: three systems with various Intel Core2Duo CPUs
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2430[15:31:12] <babilen> zykotick9: They use non-free binary blob microcode unfortunately
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2436[15:33:51] <zykotick9> babilen: i'm not sure what you are refering to? some details at replaced-url
2437[15:34:07] <babilen> zykotick9: The processors themselves use non-free microcode
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2439[15:34:27] <uwe> Greetings, I want to use bash evaluation in a configuration file in /etc/default ; it seems to work (i'm using it with ntpdate-debian); but I failed to find something that documents/commits that this will always work ... does anyone have good pointers for this ?
2440[15:34:48] <babilen> zykotick9: And you are only using pre 2008 hardware?
2441[15:35:01] <zykotick9> babilen: well... you might be right. but all my systems basically comply with FSF's RYF certification... yes all older hardware!
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2443[15:35:43] <babilen> Okay .. I was just curious.
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2452[15:39:04] <jelly> uwe: it won't always work, only if that /etc/default/ is used by a shell init script.
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2457[15:40:13] <jelly> uwe: if some service migrates to native systemd unit that only expect simple environment variale assignments there, shell expansion syntax will fail
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2461[15:40:19] <petn-randall> I'm always using the non-free firmware blobs, because there already is an older version being loaded my BIOS. So unless you run coreboot, you don't really gain much from omitting the non-free firmware.
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2463[15:40:45] <petn-randall> gerforce: No, I said jessie-backports.
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2466[15:41:10] <jelly> petn-randall: burned in firmware is magically safer and more free than firmware loaded by driver!
2467[15:41:27] <jelly> </troll>
2468[15:41:33] <uwe> jelly: thank you ... I'll try to find a more solid yet simple work around
2469[15:41:33] <zykotick9> petn-randall: note coreboot also _can_, read often does, contain non-free firwmware as well :(
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2476[15:42:59] <mycel> hey! I am desperately trying to login without a password promt on my debian here and it is the only machine out of 5 where it doesn't work
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2479[15:43:43] <jelly> zykotick9: libreboot or death
2480[15:43:50] <mycel> I tried allllll the tips from the web but I haven't found the fix. all rights are correctly set as I can see... the key is in the authorized_keys properly set
2481[15:43:57] <zykotick9> jelly: ;)
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2483[15:45:39] <mycel> can anybody help here maybe?
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2486[15:47:08] <jelly> !ask
2487[15:47:08] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2490[15:47:45] <jelly> mycel: explain precisely what way you're using to log in, and what methods of configuration you've tried so far
2491[15:47:54] <mycel> although you might not see a questionmark, I already asked :)
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2494[15:48:29] <jelly> mycel: "all the tips from the web" doesn't really give any useful info to build on
2495[15:48:39] <mycel> jelly: well... I added my pubkey as always to authorized_keys. doesn't work as usually on all my previous machines I am using
2496[15:48:52] <jelly> so you're logging in via ssh.
2497[15:49:03] <jelly> and not locally at text console, or GUI
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2499[15:49:14] <mycel> I tried to chmod 700 ~/.ssh
2500[15:49:21] <mycel> yes, of course remote access to ssh
2501[15:49:26] <jelly> it's not "of course"
2502[15:49:31] <jelly> we don't know that
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2504[15:49:57] <jelly> mycel: whcih debian release on the remote debian system?
2505[15:50:59] <mycel> jelly: raspbian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)
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2507[15:51:58] <mycel> Linux raspberrypi 3.18.7-v7+
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2513[15:54:15] <catbehemoth> is it safe to run badblocks and smartctl long test at same time on same disk?
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2517[15:55:03] <mycel> jelly: replaced-url
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2528[16:02:49] <petn-randall> jelly: I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to say.
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2530[16:02:58] <ben25> dpkg
2531[16:04:51] <petn-randall> catbehemoth: It's safe, but it would make more sense to run them after each other, to avoid hours of random seeks.
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2533[16:05:08] <catbehemoth> petn-randall: ok thanks
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2542[16:09:51] <jelly> mycel: note that raspbian is a different OS, supported in #raspbian channel. Maybe their default sshd config is different
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2546[16:10:54] <mycel> no, I don't think so jelly - since there was a key previously installed
2547[16:11:48] <jelly> mycel: in any case, user "pi" does not exist in debian by default, and if it did, it would not have HOME in /Users/flux by default, either, so your system is heavily customized
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2550[16:12:16] <jelly> ask in #raspbian, please
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2552[16:12:33] <jelly> or try to reproduce the same issue on actual debian
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2569[16:15:58] <siru> hi, after jessie -> stretch systemctl restart networking does not work any more -- the interface comes up but the interface does not get an ipv4 ip (static and dhcp) fails the same way (configuration via /etc/network/interfaces) -- system reboot works -- any idea?
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2579[16:18:00] <jelly> siru: restarting the networking service has been unsupported for years. Use "ifup -a" and "ifdown -a" or just the relevant interface.
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2596[16:25:29] <siru> jelly: too bad ... was a quite nice way to configure the network
2597[16:25:59] <FinalX> siru: was always also very buggy though
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2613[16:35:46] <woffs> Hi. I try to set up mini-buildd hosts and get strange errors regarding "failed to make temporary file" when building the keyring packages. Is here the right place to ask?
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2631[16:39:49] <ph33r> I don't know woffs, but you might want to find where its trying to write that temp file and check the ownership and permissions on that directory.
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2652[16:43:31] <ph33r> Not sure if my question is on topic either, but here goes. Anyone know how to get to freenodeok2gncmy.onion with hexchat or pidgin? I looked at tons of online links. I could get sasl or tor going separately, but never at the same time like its required. I am doing this on debian, but message me on the side if this is too off topic.
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2679[16:48:32] <abrotman> ph33r: you might want to ask #freenode, that may be by design
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2683[16:49:31] <rsb> Hello. I'm on stretch and trying to "update-initramfs -u" inside a chroot; gives "failed to determine device for /" (dev,proc,sys mounted before chrooting). What can I do to get some meaningful debug output?
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2688[16:50:49] <ph33r> Ok, I understood they block tor, but allow it from their .onion url if SASL is also used. You're right #freenode is probably a better place to look. Thanks abrotman!
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2701[16:54:52] <abrotman> ph33r: just make sure it's technically possible first, then worry about the configs
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2706[16:56:15] <ph33r> I did, or at least it was recently.
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2718[17:01:18] <Hugoo> do you have a better solution than painintheapt or apitcron to check update on apt and get notified ?
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2721[17:02:01] <holycow> hi all
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2724[17:02:36] <holycow> i need to dd only the first 100mb of a drive. does anyone remember the switch for that? the man pages nor google seem to show it or i am not understanding what i'm reading.
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2730[17:04:23] <woffs> mini-buildd -> chroot -> dpkg-deb wants to make a tempfile /tmp/user/20/dpkg-deb.i5PZJJ, 20 is the uid of mini-buildd, and /tmp/user/20 does apparently not exist at this time. it's a file chroot with debian stretch.
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2732[17:05:22] <rsb> woffs: its a bug for now?
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2740[17:09:30] <afernandez_> hello how do install Cisco Any connect for network Manager in Debian 8? I have in the drop down of add connections openconnect which works fine from command line, But when i configure in Network-Manager and try to connect I get the secrets for connection whatever were not provided. Thanks in advance.
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2743[17:10:26] <woffs> rsb, I wonder if it is a bug or a configuration issue or some other special secret
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2745[17:11:02] <rsb> woffs: to confirm, you were answering my Q?
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2748[17:13:03] <Silmaril> Hugoo: upgrade-system does it also
2749[17:13:17] <Silmaril> apt-dater might be usefull
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2755[17:16:52] <rsb> holycow: count=N (copy only N input blocks) ??
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2758[17:17:56] <woffs> rsb, what do you mean by "its a bug for now?"
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2760[17:18:54] <rsb> woffs: I had a Q before you answered, I though it was an answer to that...
2761[17:19:13] <rsb> I have a similar problem...
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2766[17:21:10] <petn-randall> Hugoo: unattended-upgrades might also work for you.
2767[17:21:19] <woffs> rsb, :-)
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2786[17:27:59] <crookedport> hello
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2789[17:28:44] <crookedport> i just installed bittorrent and everythig went ok but i can find it anywhere like it does not exist
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2801[17:31:31] <Hugoo> Ok thank you
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2803[17:31:41] <Hugoo> I check that now
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2809[17:32:59] <crookedport> could someone guide me through this ?
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2823[17:38:41] <petn-randall> crookedport: What do you mean with "it does not exist"?
2824[17:38:45] <petn-randall> !ask
2825[17:38:45] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2827[17:39:30] <teraflops> crookedport: mind rephrasing your issue?
2828[17:39:46] <crookedport> petn-randall in the terminal i did not get any errors "0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 39 not upgraded."
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2831[17:40:18] <crookedport> and im searching on the applications menu for that program and i cant find it
2832[17:40:21] <crookedport> like its not there
2833[17:40:22] <petn-randall> crookedport: Sounds like you successfully installed a new package. Which one is it?
2834[17:40:42] <crookedport> apt-get install bittorrent
2835[17:40:52] <petn-randall> crookedport: Ah, that's the command line tool.
2836[17:40:55] <crookedport> yes
2837[17:40:57] <petn-randall> ,v bittorrent-gui
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2839[17:41:15] <petn-randall> judd seems to be gone.
2840[17:41:25] <crookedport> oh so i need apt-get install bittorrent-gui as well ?
2841[17:41:35] <petn-randall> crookedport: You need to install ... yes, install that.
2842[17:41:43] <crookedport> ok one sec
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2845[17:44:13] <__0> howdoyoudo,ladies and gentlemen!what is your suggestion about ida pro 5.0 free but without "non-commercial use" remark?
2846[17:44:46] <__0> i gonna make some dirty money on dissasm)
2847[17:44:51] <petn-randall> __0: Suggestion regarding what?
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2849[17:45:09] <crookedport> petn-randall ok its done, what should i do next ?
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2851[17:45:27] <petn-randall> crookedport: You should have the gui in your app menu.
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2853[17:45:48] <petn-randall> __0: Please don't PM people unasked.
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2855[17:46:50] <crookedport> petn-randall its not there for some reason
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2858[17:47:15] <crookedport> i even looked by typing it in the application finder and nothing
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2860[17:47:34] <__0> pent-randall, *people*
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2862[17:49:03] <petn-randall> __0: petn<tab>
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2865[17:49:47] <__0> petn-randall, thanks
2866[17:49:58] <petn-randall> crookedport: Apparently it will just offer a small app when you click on bittorrent links. If you want a "proper" bittorrent GUI client, I can recommend transmission-gtk.
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2868[17:50:18] <petn-randall> __0: Do you have a Debian support question?
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2870[17:51:16] <__0> petn-randall, where i can touch people coding in assembler under debian?
2871[17:52:11] <crookedport> petn-randall i will try that
2872[17:52:19] <GPenguin> __0: get in touch you mean?
2873[17:52:27] <petn-randall> I hope so ...
2874[17:52:39] <GPenguin> :)
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2877[17:53:26] <__0> GPenguin, nothing, it is speeder to make everything myself) thanks, anyway
2878[17:54:06] <petn-randall> __0: For what architecture?
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2880[17:54:36] <__0> petn-randall, x86 - i am newbie(
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2882[17:56:26] <petn-randall> __0: There are probably excellent books about it, but most programming isn't done in Assembler anymore.
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2892[18:05:19] <ph33r> _0 a lot of people recommend The Art of Assembly book for starting out. I also like the free video tutorials for it on Securitytube. They have more if you subscribe too.
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2902[18:06:16] <yossarianuk> hi - wondering if anyone can help me....
2903[18:06:21] <yossarianuk> I have a simple script - I am using inotify to watch a directory, and when files are rsynced to it to move them to another folder, my issue is with sub directories
2904[18:06:31] <yossarianuk> i've used a loop - and it sort of works.... i.e It does copy all subdirs, and moves files to the target directory, however doesn't remove the sub dirs in the source (watched) directory
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2906[18:06:35] <yossarianuk> anyone know how I can get round this ?
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2911[18:08:56] <blastwave> I wonder if anyone here has tried to install the fglrx radeon driver in stretch ? I am having compile problems with it.
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2916[18:09:32] <pos> blastwave, stretch kernel version?
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2918[18:10:01] <blastwave> pos uname -r says to me "4.8.0-2-amd64"
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2921[18:10:16] <blastwave> this is a x86_64 machine of course
2922[18:10:19] <pos> yeah, vanilla fglrx doesn't work > 3.19
2923[18:10:27] <pos> there are patches out there
2924[18:10:36] <blastwave> pos: I am not surprised
2925[18:10:48] <pos> blastwave, fglrx has been discontinued
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2927[18:10:50] <blastwave> I was expected to have to do a manual compile anyways but I had to give it a shot
2928[18:10:54] <pos> amdgpu-pro
2929[18:11:25] <blastwave> hrmmm .. so I guess the real question now is how to revert back to full normal graphoics mode with whatever the default "free" driver is
2930[18:11:38] <pos> amdgpu is included in the kernel
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2935[18:12:03] <blastwave> well at the moment the machine boots and runs fine .. no graphics at all
2936[18:12:07] <blastwave> not sure why ..
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2938[18:12:22] <blastwave> of course I could always wipe the machine clean and re-install the latest stretch release
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2940[18:12:53] <pos> this is why filesystem or vm snapshots are great ;)
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2942[18:13:11] <blastwave> ha ha .. yeah .. well .. it was an experiment in any case
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2944[18:14:09] <blastwave> mostly I just wanted to get away from RHEL
2945[18:14:23] <blastwave> which doesn't work too well on my hardware
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2949[18:15:17] <jhutchins> !radeon
2950[18:15:17] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
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2958[18:18:38] <jhutchins> THat probably needs an update, but I'm not familiar with the current state of Radeon (just got an Nvidia).
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3048[19:00:19] <greyeax> nickserv identify loldongs
3049[19:00:23] <greyeax> welp
3050[19:01:03] <jamesl> why
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3052[19:01:18] <jamesl> why "loldongs"
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3064[19:08:26] <blastwave> so I seem to have borked up my hd_radeon fglrx-15.302 driver build on stretch and it may not be required at all in any case .. the question now becomes how to put the original radeon driver back in place ..
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3077[19:12:12] <ctcx> Can I really add multiple users/groups in single command like this "useradd user1 user2" "groupadd group1 group2"?
3078[19:12:25] <ctcx> Or it's not allowed?
3079[19:12:33] * blastwave has never seen that tried
3080[19:12:44] <blastwave> ctcx pretty sure the useradd only does one at a time
3081[19:13:00] <blastwave> ctcx however you can script the hell out of it and do 10000 users if needed
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3088[19:16:05] <ctcx> thanks
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3093[19:18:26] <blastwave> anyone know where the Xorg.conf file lives on stretch ?
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3103[19:21:27] <n4dir> i could swear xorg.conf was removed 2 releases or such ago.
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3105[19:21:44] <n4dir> If you need one, you will have to create it yourself.
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3107[19:21:58] <blastwave> n4dir: yep .. I just figured that out
3108[19:22:12] <n4dir> ah, cool then.
3109[19:22:15] <blastwave> n4dir: the Xorg.0.log was very helpful
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3112[19:24:36] <blastwave> n4dir: also discovered that I need libgl1-mesa-dev and libgl1-mesa-glx
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3115[19:24:44] * blastwave thinks stretch is fun
3116[19:25:39] <GPenguin> !debian next
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3118[19:26:31] <blastwave> anyone have an idea how to fix " libGL.so.1 => not found " for ldd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
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3121[19:27:06] <GPenguin> use something like apt-file to "search" what package provides the file
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3123[19:27:24] <blastwave> GPenguin: libgl1-mesa-glx provides the file ... but er .. doesn't really
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3125[19:27:47] <blastwave> GPenguin: I mean # dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx shows the file in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0 but the file isn't there
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3127[19:28:40] <GPenguin> blastwave: do you have other architectures installed?
3128[19:28:55] <blastwave> GPenguin: nope .. this is x86_64 all the way
3129[19:29:17] <GPenguin> try the "re-install" option
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3131[19:29:50] <blastwave> GPenguin: see replaced-url
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3135[19:30:52] <blastwave> GPenguin: what do you mean reinstall? apt-get says "E: Invalid operation reinstall"
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3138[19:31:55] <GPenguin> blastwave: yeah, well. aptitude reinstall
3139[19:32:02] <n4dir> apt-get install --reinstall yada-pkg
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3151[19:35:24] <blastwave> GPenguin: argggg aptitude: command not found
3152[19:35:38] <blastwave> n4dir: thank you ... I am an old apt-get user
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3154[19:36:14] <blastwave> n4dir: yep .. that fixed it ! thanks
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3157[19:36:45] <n4dir> say what? it fixed to reinstall, or it fixed the original issue with the lib-... ?
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3159[19:37:21] <blastwave> n4dir: fixed the original issue wherein the libGLfoo libs were missing
3160[19:37:40] <n4dir> jesus. All the honor goes to GPenguin then. cool
3161[19:37:45] <blastwave> n4dir: the cause of this mess is the fglrx driver build on stretch really doesn't .. doesn't build
3162[19:37:56] <GPenguin> haha
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3164[19:38:46] <blastwave> I have an old machine here .. but it is a powerhouse 32G ECC memory dual Opteron socket machine and I want to run stretch on it with a nice HD Radeon card and everything went to hell on the fglrx AMD driver build
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3166[19:38:59] <blastwave> have been trying to get graphics back with the default free driver
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3172[19:40:52] * blastwave wonders who changed "shutdown" and wants to slap them
3173[19:40:53] <GPenguin> blastwave: did you save the errors before you de-installed?
3174[19:41:29] <blastwave> GPenguin: I am simply walking through the Xorg.0.log log and seeing what happens
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3176[19:42:11] <blastwave> ultimately X has been around a while and with a bit of work I can get this working .. however really .. I should wipe the box clean and reinstall the stretch release
3177[19:42:19] <GPenguin> especially useful are messages on the console / in the terminal
3178[19:42:51] <blastwave> GPenguin: well the console is just a server monitor 1024x768 at the moment .. however dmesg helps
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3181[19:44:10] <blastwave> GPenguin: my original idea was to build X from sources .. that was reasonably fun once upon a time but have not tried in a few years
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3184[19:44:33] <GPenguin> a LFS box is fun
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3189[19:45:09] <blastwave> GPenguin: yippiiie ... I have a LXDE login graphical screen again
3190[19:45:17] <n4dir> after 6 hours of compiling xorg for FreeBSD for an iMac, which ended in a failure, i can't consider that much fun anymore ...
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3194[19:45:43] <n4dir> hence back to debian, as far the iMac is concerned.
3195[19:45:52] <blastwave> n4dir: on FreeBSD ? try Solaris for a hoot ... you will need a bottle of scotch and Star Trek re-runs
3196[19:46:13] <n4dir> no Solaris for ppc, as far i know
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3198[19:46:31] <blastwave> n4dir: no .. that was a project that I was heavily involved in
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3203[19:46:54] <blastwave> n4dir: they put it on a shelf and told the world it never existed just to piss off IBM and I love power architecture
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3205[19:47:32] <blastwave> n4dir: seen this ? replaced-url
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3208[19:48:20] <n4dir> no, i don't think so
3209[19:48:32] <blastwave> n4dir: it is a pretty big deal over at the FSF
3210[19:48:45] <hugleo> I would like to know how freeradius are managed in debian. like this one replaced-url
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3212[19:49:31] <blastwave> n4dir: see replaced-url
3213[19:49:43] * blastwave looks lovingly at his powermac G5
3214[19:50:31] <n4dir> thanks for the info
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3217[19:51:44] <blastwave> n4dir: I'd love to see a proper open hardware spec system and it has been tried before by the Genesi SARL people years ago
3218[19:52:07] <blastwave> that was also on PowerPC and we ported the OpenSolaris kernel to it
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3220[19:52:26] <blastwave> then moved on to the big IBM mainframe hardware and the lawyers moved in and killed everything
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3222[19:53:41] <blastwave> hrmmm this looks familiar ... be damned if I know what package sorts this out : rt2800usb 1-3:1.0: firmware: failed to load rt2870.bin
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3224[19:54:12] <Juzzy> any of you guys ever try to get debian/ubuntu running inside kvm? I did a raw drive and it installs but then fails to boot off of it, rescue -> grub_install and it's still the same.
3225[19:54:25] * blastwave looks at the sparse and baffling replaced-url
3226[19:55:00] <blastwave> Juzzy: what do you mean by kvm ? a VMware virtual machine ? Virtual Box ?
3227[19:55:15] <jhutchins> blastwave: It's pretty much up to the maintainers what gets updated when. One a release is frozen the "only critical updates" rule goes into effect.
3228[19:55:23] <jhutchins> ,v freeradius
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3230[19:55:55] <blastwave> jhutchins: well I can easily remove the CISCO wireless bits out of this machine and live just fine
3231[19:56:54] <jhutchins> dondelelcaro: judd is MIA.
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3233[19:59:45] <blastwave> oookay .. stretch seems a bit .. different .. where did ntpq go to ? It isn't part of ntpdate anymore ...
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3235[20:00:15] <jelly> blastwave: ntpq has always been of "ntp", the same package that installs the daemon as well
3236[20:00:47] <blastwave> jelly: I wonder why that wasn't installed during the initial setup .. pretty sure I always want ntp
3237[20:01:06] <jelly> you may want it but it's not part of base system
3238[20:01:20] <Juzzy> blastwave: qemu / kvm
3239[20:01:34] <n4dir> you saying the debian-installer still doesn't come with a crystal ball, jelly ?
3240[20:01:42] <blastwave> Juzzy oh .. I have no clue about qemu
3241[20:01:56] <blastwave> n4dir: well it did once upon a time
3242[20:02:00] <jelly> n4dir: only available in expert mode
3243[20:02:02] <Juzzy> gotcha, thanks :)
3244[20:02:08] <n4dir> the good old days.
3245[20:02:10] <blastwave> n4dir: I recall that debian was telepathic also
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3260[20:07:58] <jhutchins> blastwave: systemd does have a time setting function now, so that replaces ntpdate for some.
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3263[20:08:48] <jhutchins> blastwave: ntpq wouldn't make sense with ntpdate, there's no daemon to query.
3264[20:08:54] <blastwave> jhutchins: I think ntpd runs great and has for years .. so .. I use four nearby atomic clocks and it usually works great
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3268[20:09:48] <CQ> replaced-url
3269[20:10:00] <jhutchins> We had a VMWare environment where it did strange things, but I've always used it myself.
3270[20:10:10] * blastwave watches as ntpd runs great and drags in data from the national research council stratum 1 clocks
3271[20:10:27] <blastwave> jhutchins: VMware is awesome if you have deep pockets
3272[20:10:47] <blastwave> jhutchins: the ESXi licenses are still $5000/socket
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3276[20:11:09] <jhutchins> babilen: Yes, and per CPU, so a big rig gets expensive.
3277[20:11:23] <jhutchins> blastwave: ^
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3279[20:11:29] <jhutchins> sry babilen
3280[20:11:46] <blastwave> I knew you intended that for me
3281[20:12:16] <blastwave> however I think that there are free download VMware vSphere trial licenses but you need a monster server to do anything ofvalue and multiple of them
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3283[20:13:09] <jhutchins> I've typically seen clusters of at least two, frequently three to five.
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3286[20:14:20] <blastwave> jhutchins: the min config is two ESXi servers
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3288[20:14:39] <hugleo> i've founded the reason :) replaced-url
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3292[20:15:50] <blastwave> so the next quiestion is .. has anyone tried touchscreen interfaces with debian ?
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3294[20:16:24] <webdev007> raspberry pi with touch screen??? does that count? :-)
3295[20:16:47] <jhutchins> webdev007: Debian or Raspian?
3296[20:16:51] <webdev007> Raspbian
3297[20:17:25] <webdev007> It has their new "Pixel" desktop on it
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3299[20:17:39] <webdev007> but I honestly think Gnome 3 would be kind of nice.
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3301[20:18:14] <blastwave> I generally use lxde but I have a monster huge touchscreen digital signage screen from HP to test
3302[20:18:57] <webdev007> I think the Pixel desktop is based on LXDE... I wouldn't necessarily advocate for that
3303[20:19:19] <blastwave> worth a try with this --> Display (HP LD4220tm (CRT-1))
3304[20:19:21] <webdev007> but.. despite the hate that Gnome 3 has received in the past, it works a treat for me on my 40 inch LED
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3306[20:20:17] <jhutchins> We've drifted prety far off topic here, probably best to hit -offtopic or just chill and wait for support questions.
3307[20:20:30] <blastwave> webdev007: I have not looked at Gnome 3 since .. at least four years
3308[20:20:37] <blastwave> jhutchins: sorry
3309[20:20:59] * blastwave is just happy that things are working well here
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3311[20:21:45] <blastwave> okay here is a question .. why do I see this spooky sort of thing in dmesg output --> [ 1223.032078] systemd[1]: apt-daily.timer: Adding 4h 32min 22.642320s random time.
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3319[20:26:15] <jhutchins> blastwave: apt-daily runs at a randomly set time so everybody doesn't hit the servers at the same minute.
3320[20:26:28] <jhutchins> blastwave: THat's just systemd adjusting the random time.
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3322[20:26:50] <blastwave> jhutchins: er .. okay .. but why is apt-daily reaching out to the world at all ?
3323[20:27:04] <jelly> blastwave: systemd pushes a lot of crap to the kernel buffer.
3324[20:27:48] <blastwave> jelly: okay .. I don't see a problem there .. plenty of memory here
3325[20:28:03] <jelly> as for why...
3326[20:28:06] <jelly> dpkg -S /lib/systemd/system/apt-daily.timer
3327[20:28:07] <dpkg> Package: /lib/systemd/system/apt-daily.timer: Status: install ok installed
3328[20:28:13] <jelly> dpkg: be quiet
3329[20:28:14] <dpkg> Ah, shuddup.
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3332[20:29:08] <blastwave> well it seems "Mostly Harmless"
3333[20:29:08] <jhutchins> I don't seem to have anything apt-daily on this system.
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3335[20:29:32] <jhutchins> blastwave: I would guess it's either a daily cleanup or list update.
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3338[20:29:57] <blastwave> hrummph ... mostly harmless then
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3344[20:32:07] <Beeblebrox-BSD> Hi. I have Stretch w/ root on ZFS. Boot fails at "cannot find zfs:pool/root - no such device", then drops to busybox. lsmod shows zfs modules not loaded. If I modprobe zfs, I can import the pool and see datasets.
3345[20:32:07] <Beeblebrox-BSD> How can I get zfs module to load at boot? zfs-dkms completed the mkinitramfs phase and created new init. I have zfs in /etc/modules /etc/modules-load.d/dkms.
3346[20:33:07] * blastwave was not even aware zfs had reached debian
3347[20:33:23] <Juzzy> it's a crappy fuse implementation i believe
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3350[20:33:41] <jelly> Juzzy: dkms means "kernel driver not fuse"
3351[20:33:41] <Beeblebrox-BSD> no, it's quite up to date
3352[20:33:46] <Juzzy> really?!
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3354[20:34:01] <Juzzy> wow i didnt realize that
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3356[20:34:04] <Juzzy> ill stfu
3357[20:34:15] <jelly> !debian-next
3358[20:34:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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3360[20:34:30] <jelly> Beeblebrox-BSD: ^^ ask there if there's no useful info here
3361[20:34:33] <Beeblebrox-BSD> yeah, invite-only...
3362[20:34:44] <jelly> read that again
3363[20:34:54] <Beeblebrox-BSD> ah, OFTC...
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3365[20:35:12] <Juzzy> so on lvm you cannot stretch the boot partion over 2 physical drives, I'm sure zfs is also that way, that isn't what youre doing, right?
3366[20:35:14] <jelly> fucking noone ever READS whole sentences any more
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3370[20:36:03] <Beeblebrox-BSD> I don't place BP nor grub on zfs
3371[20:36:10] * blastwave I both read and write whole sentences and paragraphs
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3373[20:36:35] <Juzzy> man that really makes me want to convert my fileserver over to zfs :(
3374[20:36:50] <Juzzy> i didnt want to run freenas on it
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3376[20:36:57] <blastwave> zfs is the most awesome thing since electricity was invented.
3377[20:37:09] <jelly> you're biased
3378[20:37:15] <Juzzy> ya i actually run a whitebox zfs on ssd for my vmware cluster
3379[20:37:43] <Juzzy> but at home I want all the fun shit that freenas didn't offer nor the pita of a bsd
3380[20:37:45] * blastwave is actually quite biased on that topic
3381[20:38:09] <blastwave> Juzzy: just install solaris 10 and it works well
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3383[20:38:31] <jelly> see!
3384[20:38:32] <Juzzy> but then I can't apt-get install emby plex xbmc samba
3385[20:38:36] <Juzzy> ;(\
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3387[20:38:50] <Juzzy> I'm actually running zentyal in a kvm on it too
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3389[20:39:19] <Pelle`> Hi, i have just installed virtualbox on my server and done a vm. will the vm autostart after reboot? cant find any setting for that and i cant restart my server atm to try
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3391[20:39:49] <Juzzy> is it in /etc/init.d/ ?
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3393[20:40:23] <Pelle`> virtualbox is there yes
3394[20:40:34] <Juzzy> or ls /etc/init.*/virtualbox ?
3395[20:40:47] <jhutchins> I think the question is how to get the VM to start when VBox starts.
3396[20:40:55] <Juzzy> if you see a bunch you're probably ok, but will your vm autostart? that's probablt a virtualbox setting
3397[20:41:00] <Pelle`> jhutchins probably yes
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3399[20:41:01] <jhutchins> Juzzy: ... which is somethng you can test.
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3402[20:41:10] <jhutchins> Er, Pelle`
3403[20:41:18] <Juzzy> righto
3404[20:41:33] <Juzzy> just restart virtualbox and see :)
3405[20:41:44] <Pelle`> oh true...
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3408[20:42:18] <jhutchins> Pelle`: Also, there's #vbox
3409[20:42:32] <Pelle`> cool
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3413[20:43:07] <jhutchins> It seems like you wouldn't want that to be the default, but it would certainly be useful.
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3417[20:44:25] <Juzzy> I have a bunch of my vm's autostart incase the colo goes dark, mainly vpn and vcenter ;)
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3424[20:45:58] <jhutchins> Seems like maybe the hypervisor would/should restore the previous state.
3425[20:46:19] <Juzzy> blastwave: any chance some slick person has figured out an inplace ext4->zfs conversion :D
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3428[20:47:35] <blastwave> Juzzy: on the fly conversion ? not likely .. however Jorg Schilly has the best tools on the planet to move a whole filesystem around. look at schilytools. He is the guy that wrote cdrecord and the original scsi drivers etc
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3430[20:47:55] <mauro25987> hi
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3432[20:48:05] <Juzzy> ya that means I'll have to buy some harddrives
3433[20:48:19] <Juzzy> or like a 10gb
3434[20:48:20] <mauro25987> I have a problem with debian 8
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3436[20:48:34] <ThePeePs> good day all, trying to test out stretch, but i'm unable to install via netboot (PXE) as the kernal in the debian-install package does not match what's in the repo, any thoughts?
3437[20:48:36] <mauro25987> how run "update-rc.d nagios defaults?
3438[20:48:39] <blastwave> Juzzy: how big a file system? 4TB or more ?
3439[20:48:52] <mauro25987> is a "systemctl enabled nagios"?
3440[20:49:07] <jelly> mauro25987: open a root shell ("su -", or "sudo -i") and run it?
3441[20:49:08] <Juzzy> erm 10tb. yea its a big raid5 today
3442[20:49:28] <Juzzy> i could probably squeeze it into a 6tb drive
3443[20:49:40] <blastwave> Juzzy: that will be a nightmare ... you need buckets of bandwidth to migrate 10T
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3445[20:49:50] <Juzzy> it's local
3446[20:50:02] <ThePeePs> it looks like the the repo has 4.8.0.2 but the netboot kernel is 4.7.0.1 :(
3447[20:50:07] <Juzzy> this server is probably usb 1.0 though heh
3448[20:50:07] <blastwave> Juzzy: with compression enabled you would be amazed
3449[20:50:27] <blastwave> ThePeePs: I can confirm the 4.8.0-2-amd64
3450[20:50:31] <Juzzy> well i would have to copy my raid5 over to a single drive, wipe it to zfs and copy it back
3451[20:50:38] <mauro25987> thanks jelly
3452[20:50:43] <mauro25987> i run with root
3453[20:50:48] <mauro25987> :)
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3455[20:51:00] <Juzzy> but I dont have any other drives for the read and write pools
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3459[20:51:32] <Juzzy> on my freenas box I have 2 ssd for that and then the rest are 750gb wd blacks
3460[20:51:40] <Juzzy> 2.5"
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3467[20:52:42] <ThePeePs> blastwave: the kernel that boots via PXE (that's in the debian-installer deb) is 4.7.0.1 any idea when the debian-installer deb will be updated?
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3469[20:53:02] <ThePeePs> it was last updated on 2016-10-31 from the looks of it
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3472[20:53:11] <blastwave> ThePeePs: no clue .. in fact I am surprised and wanted to check your facts
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3474[20:53:41] <jelly> ThePeePs: are you looking at weekly builds or daily or what?
3475[20:53:59] <jelly> last d-i alpha is quite old
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3477[20:54:19] <blastwave> jelly: [12 Nov 2016] Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 8 release
3478[20:54:27] <blastwave> jelly: that isn't bad at all really
3479[20:54:38] <ThePeePs> looking for a netboot installer kernel that matches 4.8.0.2 so the kernel modules load, else the installer can't find any mass storage dev's
3480[20:54:49] <jelly> that's 2 months, in d-i time before a freeze quite a bit
3481[20:54:56] <blastwave> ThePeePs: did you get your netinst image from here ? replaced-url
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3483[20:55:11] * blastwave shrug .. runs apt-get update
3484[20:55:15] <ThePeePs> no, from the main us ftp mirror
3485[20:55:32] <jelly> ThePeePs: you're looking in the wrong place
3486[20:55:32] <ThePeePs> i'll try the devel one, thanks
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3488[20:55:45] <ThePeePs> haha, that's kinda what figured
3489[20:56:01] <blastwave> yep .. me too
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3505[21:00:07] <awal1> Any alternative for 'rc-alert' which not only checks for rc bugs?
3506[21:00:08] <jhutchins> The installers are among the last programs to get updated, because they have to take into account anything that's changed about the install.
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3512[21:04:25] <ThePeePs> that makes sense
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3514[21:04:40] <ThePeePs> that worked, now just need to fix my local mirror
3515[21:04:45] <ThePeePs> thanks for the help
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3524[21:09:48] <bmomjian> If I have an IPMI module in a server where the ethernet port is shared, what is my proper gateway? The shared port IP or the gateway of the server? Is there a better channel to ask this?
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3534[21:16:13] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, not sure I understand your question correctly... however, the BMC's IP address should not be a hop in the path to or from your host machine's IP address(es)
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3542[21:17:47] <GNU\colossus> furthermore, if your hardware and colocation provider support configuring the BMC's IPMI link/address to be available on a physically separate interface from your host's ethernet interface, you should absolutely set it up that way
3543[21:17:48] <bmomjian> So my server IP address is 172.20.1.128, the BMC is 172.20.1.132, and the gateway for the local network is 172.20.1.130.
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3550[21:18:48] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, afaik, both devices (your host and its BMC, which is the IPMI stuff) will have totally IP stacks of their own
3551[21:18:55] <bmomjian> the BMC does not have its own ethernet port.
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3555[21:19:39] <GNU\colossus> s/totally//
3556[21:19:44] <bmomjian> Yes, I think I understand that, but it seems I can't ping the BMC IP address from anywhere.
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3558[21:19:52] <ThePeePs> still, the IP stack for BMC is controlled by the MB firmware, the OS's by the kernel
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3560[21:20:02] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, might be that it tries to disguise itself by not replying to ICMP ECHO
3561[21:20:15] <ThePeePs> if you aren't using VLAN's they should be in the same subnet
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3563[21:20:30] <GNU\colossus> IPMI security is, to put it politely, total crap. vendors are probably trying to not tell just about anyone that the device is actually there.
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3565[21:20:40] <bmomjian> This is a Supermicro server. I admit I am totally out of my element on IPMI.
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3568[21:21:20] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, hmm, we have plenty of Supermicro hardware where I work - does your box really have only one physical ethernet port? (do you have physical access to the server?)
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3571[21:21:32] <jhutchins> bmomjian: shared connection is far from ideal, but yes, it should be an address within the subnet (looks right). It's for _outbound_ traffic.
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3575[21:21:46] <jhutchins> bmomjian: The gateway should be whatever the subnet's gateway is.
3576[21:22:01] <bmomjian> It is a server in my home and it is in the next room.
3577[21:22:05] <GNU\colossus> for both stacks - your host's, and the BMC's.
3578[21:22:06] <bmomjian> ok, so gateway is correct, good.
3579[21:22:22] <jhutchins> bmomjian: It's like having eth0:1 and eth0:0, they shouldn't interfere.
3580[21:22:32] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, but with only one Ethernet interface?
3581[21:22:42] <bmomjian> sorry, the server has two ethernet ports.
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3584[21:23:00] <bmomjian> and each is numbered and in use independent if the IPMI.
3585[21:23:22] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: Most Dells offer to share the IPMI port.
3586[21:23:31] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, chances are you can configure the BMC's LAN interface to be "dedicated". the system BIOS should have an option to set that. if it doesn't, you can force-feed this to the BMC via a vendor-specific ipmitool invocation.
3587[21:23:47] <bmomjian> independent of the IPMI. IP server numbers are 172.20.1.128 and 172.20.1.129.
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3592[21:24:36] <bmomjian> impitool on Debian says the ipmi IP address is 172.20.1.132, which is unique.
3593[21:24:37] <GNU\colossus> jhutchins, I know SUpermicro does so, too, but we had weird link-layer problems with that kind of setup, and we've been avoiding it since
3594[21:24:57] <bmomjian> I set it on server boot.
3595[21:25:02] <bmomjian> via the CMOS.
3596[21:25:02] <jhutchins> bmomjian: Respond to ICMP is configurable on some systems.
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3598[21:25:41] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, supermicro's BMCs usually expose ssh and http, in addition to the lanplus stuff specific to IMPI. have you tried those TCP protocols yet?
3599[21:25:42] <jhutchins> bmomjian: Do you really need both ports for the server?
3600[21:25:47] <bmomjian> one wierd tcpdump line I saw was: ARP, Request who-has ipmi.home (Broadcast) tell ipmi.home, length 46
3601[21:26:12] <jhutchins> bmomjian: That argues that it's working.
3602[21:26:21] <jhutchins> bmomjian: YOu might nmap it.
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3605[21:26:38] <bmomjian> Both http and ssh are hanging to that IP.
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3607[21:27:07] <bmomjian> yes, the ARP does suggest something is working.
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3611[21:27:27] <bmomjian> But of course I gave it a hard-wired IP address, so why would it ask it for its IP address?
3612[21:27:44] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, do you happen to know which generation your hardware/server is? something like "X9"; "X10"? (I'd like to check the ipmitool output I get for the network interface, if I have a matching machine available)
3613[21:27:47] <jhutchins> bmomjian: Unfortunately, there's little consistency in how those things are set up. Even with Dells it depends on the model and firmware version.
3614[21:27:51] <kambei> I'm having a bit of a problem with idmapd. Is there any place in particular I should ask?
3615[21:27:53] <bmomjian> uh, I use on port for the local network traffic and another for connections from the gateway.
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3619[21:28:24] <GNU\colossus> BMC firmware is weird and crappy. we have at least one generation (of TYAN, not Supermicro) hardware that will _constantly_ try to configure its interfaces via DHCP, no matter what you tell it to
3620[21:29:43] <jhutchins> kambei: Depends on what your problem is.
3621[21:29:49] <jhutchins> kambei: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
3622[21:29:50] <bmomjian> I am checking on the version.
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3626[21:30:39] <bmomjian> it is IPMI Version 2.0, if that helps.
3627[21:31:16] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, that's to be expected, but not the info I am after. can you maybe nopaste the output of `ipmitool mc info`?
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3629[21:31:30] <bmomjian> Here is the IPMI mc info output: replaced-url
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3632[21:31:37] <bmomjian> done. :-)
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3634[21:31:56] <kambei> I have a Kerberos/LDAP/NFS4 set up, also attempting to use sss. I can mount the /home filesystem, and the ownership is correct, but the permission do not seem to be honored. For example, if I try to touch a file, it is denied unless the directory is globally writable.
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3636[21:32:33] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, hmm, I've never seen FW Rev 1.64 before. is that rather old, or rather new hardware you're dealing with?
3637[21:32:46] <bmomjian> This server is from 2012
3638[21:33:08] <bmomjian> Frankly, I am not using the IPMI because it is a single server in a home so I can just remove the card.
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3640[21:33:17] <kambei> jhutchins: I'm not sure if imapd is the culprit here, because with it running, the ownership is not honored at all. Ergo, I'm trying to get it working, but I can't seem to get idmapd to properly acquire the UIDs, etc.
3641[21:33:20] <GNU\colossus> interesting, maybe they have different BMCs that I'm not aware of...
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3643[21:33:25] <bmomjian> I thought I might want to learn how to use it, but that is not a requirement.
3644[21:33:43] <bmomjian> I have set a password on it, and right now it isn't even accessible outside the local server.
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3646[21:34:25] <jhutchins> bmomjian: I would try to get it working in non-shared mode first.
3647[21:34:26] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, if you don't need it, there'S certainly no harm in not having it. IPMI is considered a pretty gaping security hole, if left "unchecked". passwords can rather easily be obtained, and valid usernames enumerated, both due to flaws in the protocol.
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3649[21:34:53] <jhutchins> GNU\colossus: If the IPMI network is internal and secured it's not that bad.
3650[21:34:56] <bmomjian> right, brute force attacks, right?
3651[21:35:07] <GNU\colossus> but yeah, having the IPMI stuff use a _dedicated_ ethernet iface, like jhutchins suggests, that would probably make things easier to debug
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3653[21:35:27] <bmomjian> I guess someone could come over the house and try to attack it, but that's about it.
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3655[21:35:38] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, I'm not sure; there's a metasploit module available that details the attack in its source code
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3657[21:35:41] <GNU\colossus> hehe
3658[21:35:56] <bmomjian> yep.
3659[21:35:58] <GNU\colossus> if your machine's IPMI interface isn't exposed to the Internet, you probably needn't worry
3660[21:36:20] <bmomjian> I have a CERT email from 2013 that explains the problems: Oct 3 US-CERT TA13-207A: Risks of Using the Intelligent Platform Management Interface (IPMI)
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3663[21:36:42] <bmomjian> I figured it was not time either to get it working or rip it out. ;-)
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3665[21:36:53] <bmomjian> s/not time/now time/
3666[21:37:22] <bmomjian> the four year rule. ;-)
3667[21:37:25] <GNU\colossus> :) if it's a local machine you have in waling distance, I would personally go with just ripping it out
3668[21:37:33] <bmomjian> ok, will do.
3669[21:37:36] <GNU\colossus> walking*
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3673[21:38:19] <GNU\colossus> IPMI as a means of OOB mgmt is on its way out anyway; a successor standard (redfish, I believe?) is already available and being deployed
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3675[21:38:42] <GNU\colossus> so you're not missing out on much of the future if you don't take this particular chance to learn more about it
3676[21:38:54] <luxio> I'm trying to install, but I ran into an odd issue
3677[21:38:55] <luxio> replaced-url
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3679[21:39:14] <luxio> I have those network interfaces, but I also have a USB Atheros ar9271 network connector
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3681[21:39:23] <luxio> (which it's obviously not detecting)
3682[21:39:43] <luxio> I'm using debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install
3683[21:40:09] <phogg> luxio: might be possible to manually load the module from vt2 if you know it
3684[21:40:19] <bmomjian> good to know; it is kind of cool in that you can find info on hardware stuff.
3685[21:40:34] <bmomjian> thanks much for the attention folks
3686[21:40:38] <phogg> luxio: on my recent install I had to manually load alx and pass it some additional PCI IDs for my eth card to work
3687[21:40:38] <luxio> phogg: vt2?
3688[21:40:56] <phogg> luxio: e.g. ALT+F2, second virtual terminal
3689[21:40:59] <GNU\colossus> bmomjian, yeah, it's definitely a useful thing to have if you have a lot of physical machines, and/or if they are remote
3690[21:41:08] <jhutchins> !ar9271
3691[21:41:09] <dpkg> ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. replaced-url
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3694[21:41:33] <turbo64> i just installed debian jessie with xfce and the volume buttons arent working properly
3695[21:41:34] <GNU\colossus> it gets a lot less cool if you actually have to rely on all that crap actually working, however...
3696[21:41:49] <turbo64> the mute toggle button on my laptop mutes the audio but doesnt unmute it
3697[21:41:49] <luxio> phogg: Yeah I dunno how to do that.
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3699[21:42:03] <jhutchins> turbo64: Volume buttons on a keyboard/laptop?
3700[21:42:09] <bmomjian> GNU\colossus: agreed, I am seeing that.
3701[21:42:13] <turbo64> yes its a thinkpad
3702[21:42:38] <phogg> luxio: follow the linx jhutchins mentioned first, it's more likely to be helpful
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3705[21:42:52] <jhutchins> turbo64: Those buttons are not entirely standard and require drivers.
3706[21:43:10] <phogg> they don't just emit unusual keycodes?
3707[21:43:11] <jhutchins> turbo64: I think there's a thinkpad package, and there are also hotkey extensions.
3708[21:43:17] <jhutchins> !thinkpad
3709[21:43:17] <dpkg> [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it (according to abrotman). Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see replaced-url
3710[21:43:28] <jhutchins> turbo64: Did you install the laptop task?
3711[21:44:11] <turbo64> yes its installed
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3713[21:44:56] <turbo64> its not a thinkpad problem, its the key binding only unmuting pulseaudio and not alsa
3714[21:45:03] <turbo64> how do you change the key bindings for the mute buttons
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3716[21:45:11] <luxio> phogg jhutchins Why do I have to add a nonfree component?
3717[21:45:14] <luxio> I believe it's free
3718[21:45:27] <luxio> ah nvm found this replaced-url
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3720[21:46:01] <luxio> "The ath9k_htc kernel module is automatically loaded for supported devices."
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3722[21:46:38] <luxio> 1) does that mean the wireless driver should work by default?
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3724[21:46:47] <luxio> 2) how do I install these packages without internet in the first place?
3725[21:47:29] <Juzzy> hopfully they are on the iso, otherwise get you a usb key and copy the .deb there ?
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3728[21:48:08] <asti> hello
3729[21:48:21] <asti> can someone please tell me what package contains GNU gtags?
3730[21:48:42] <abrotman> asti: you can use apt-file to find out
3731[21:48:48] <abrotman> dpkg: tell asti about apt-file
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3733[21:50:29] <luxio> Juzzy: if they're on the iso then why doesn't it work in the first place?
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3737[21:51:27] <asti> abrotman: thanks. I found that pakcage it's called "global" but I don't understand how to use apt-file
3738[21:51:51] <asti> can you please give an exmaple how do I find the package "global" from the binary name "gtags" using apt-file
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3740[21:53:28] <asti> okay got it
3741[21:53:28] <asti> :)
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3746[21:56:02] <levifig> any way to stop `apt` from clearing my buffer after completion? :(
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3756[22:00:28] <missmbob> levifig: APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages true
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3775[22:05:57] <levifig> missmbob, my tty buffer, not my package cache ;)
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3940[23:28:46] <bmomjian> FYI, this turned off APR requests from my IPMI: ipmitool lan set 1 arp generate off
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3950[23:34:32] <bmomjian> uh, sorry, ARP. It is documented here: replaced-url
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