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9[00:04:29] <nuldkopp> hey I'm back, mostly reinstalled
everything
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10[00:04:47] <nuldkopp> I need to upgrade to a 4.6 kernel and
install bumblebee-nvidia now
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12[00:04:56] <exezin> So is there actually any recording
software that's not trash?
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15[00:06:51] <nuldkopp> how do I upgrade to kernel 4.6+ without
using unstable?
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18[00:07:10] <nuldkopp> missmbob: hey you there?
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19[00:07:18] <missmbob> exezin: you're using jessie? it
has istanbul
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21[00:07:25] <exezin> I tried that
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22[00:07:27] <exezin> didnt really work well at all
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23[00:07:49] <missmbob> nuldkopp: add jessie-backports to your
sources.list. here are instructions. let me know when you're
done.
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24[00:08:02] <exezin> I'm on bspwm and it just bugs out
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26[00:08:25] <exezin> tried kazam also, that goes crazy due to
my multi-monitor setup :/
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27[00:08:37] <nuldkopp> missmbob: should the url be the same as
in the link or can I use the same url as for my current sources?
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30[00:09:00] <somiaj> nuldkopp: you can use any mirror you
want, also check that the installer didn't add it for you
already (you last install had jessie-backports)
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32[00:09:25] <nuldkopp> somiaj: ah ok
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39[00:10:10] <nuldkopp> missmbob: somiaj: ok added the
backports
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40[00:10:20] <missmbob> nuldkopp: you're on amd64 i
assume?
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41[00:10:24] <nuldkopp> yes
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43[00:10:42] <missmbob> nuldkopp: okay so you want apt-get
install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 -t jessie-backports
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44[00:10:51] <missmbob> nuldkopp: assuming you already ran
apt-get update of course
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47[00:12:05] <nuldkopp> missmbob: okay done, should I reboot?
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48[00:12:18] <missmbob> nuldkopp: yep
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50[00:13:28] <nuldkopp> okay... I think i need to install new
firmware for my wireless now
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52[00:13:35] <nuldkopp> old firmware doesnt work anymore
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54[00:13:54] <nuldkopp> should I just try apt-get install
firmware-iwlwifi -t jessie-backports?
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55[00:14:21] <missmbob> i dont know what your card is but yeah
you can do that. then reboot again
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64[00:16:36] <nuldkopp> missmbob: okay, wireless working now
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65[00:17:14] <nuldkopp> now, I'm gona install xorg, then I
need some help to install bumblebee-nvidia
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66[00:17:42] <missmbob> someone else can help you with that...i
dont do bumblebee
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67[00:17:57] <nuldkopp> missmbob: actually I should mention
that firmware-iwlwifi from backports did not work... I had to get
the firmware manually from somewhere else
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72[00:18:54] <Quatroking> Hi
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74[00:19:27] <Quatroking> I want to install mysql-workbench but
I have broken packages apparently
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76[00:19:35] <Quatroking> keep getting the error
"pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
caused by held packages."
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78[00:20:47] <Quatroking> I've already tried apt-get
install -f, apt-get autoremove, apt-get clean, but neither of those
worked
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85[00:24:53] <somiaj> Quatroking: care to paste the output of
apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
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86[00:25:23] <Quatroking> sure, a minute
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87[00:26:09] <Quatroking> here you go
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89[00:26:43] <Quatroking> I haven't worked on this machine
in months so I'm not quite sure what I did before all this
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91[00:27:49] <SabreWolfy> Quatroking: have you updated all
packages?
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92[00:28:19] <somiaj> Quatroking: You have a repo that was made
for ubuntu, not debian, in your sources.list. This can install
packages that are not compadable with debian or cause other issues.
At this point you need to track down the broken packages and fix
them
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93[00:28:33] <somiaj> also you can install steam from jessie
non-free, no need to use a ubuntu ppa
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95[00:29:01] <mrrhq> Yeah.... I was gonna say, that's a
pretty bad idea. Lol.
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96[00:29:11] <mrrhq> It's already in non-free.
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99[00:29:44] <Quatroking> wait, so the steam rep is causing
this?
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101[00:30:23] <nuldkopp> somiaj: do you have any experience with
bumblebee-nvidia?
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104[00:30:43] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: might be. you would have
to give more info for us to tell you more. the full command plus
output would be a start.
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105[00:31:32] <somiaj> nuldkopp: not really. You can get newer
packages from jessie-backports it seems. But I have avoided hardware
that requires it
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106[00:31:36] <Quatroking> here's what I get when I try to
install workbench:
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107[00:31:38] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: also apt-cache policy
<pkg> of every package mentioned.
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108[00:31:52] <mrrhq> Quatroking: I wouldn't know myself,
but I'd say avoid third-party repos if you can if it's
already packaged. Chromium can also be used in place of Google
Chome.
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110[00:32:38] <mrrhq> Apt is good about dependency resolving to
an extent though.
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112[00:32:51] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: aptitude why-not
libgdal1h please too.
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115[00:33:26] <somiaj> sometimes aptitude can figure out
problems atp-get cannot as well.
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117[00:33:30] <Quatroking> TomTomTosch,
replaced-url
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119[00:33:56] <mrrhq> somiaj: Usually it's vice-versa!
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123[00:34:26] <Quatroking> does that last line mean I have a
non-i386 version of libgdal1h installed
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126[00:35:11] <sicxo> hello
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127[00:35:17] <mrrhq> Hello.
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128[00:35:22] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: don't forget
apt-cache policy libgdal1h please.
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129[00:35:31] <sicxo> i have problem after failed lxde
installation
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130[00:35:41] <sicxo> now my get grub error
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131[00:35:54] <sicxo> and i cannot boot to linux or windows 7
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132[00:35:59] <Quatroking> oh, yeah, here you go
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133[00:36:12] <sicxo> somebody may help here maybe or some
channel?
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135[00:36:48] <sicxo> boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found
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136[00:36:52] <sicxo> this is the error
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137[00:37:04] <sicxo> :(
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138[00:37:18] <mrrhq> sicxo: This may help, but it is quite a
read:
replaced-url
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140[00:37:56] <mrrhq> sicxo: Otherwise you could launch a Debian
Live CD and do grub-install /dev/sdX
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142[00:38:24] <mrrhq> Then do update-grub2 and try rebooting
again.
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143[00:38:31] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: what happens if you just
install libgdal1h by hand?
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145[00:39:14] <Quatroking> unmet dependencies but this time with
libdapserver7
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146[00:39:20] <Quatroking> lemme run the whynot and policy on it
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147[00:39:38] <TomTomTosch> also the full output please.
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154[00:41:05] <Quatroking> error with why-not and policy
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156[00:41:08] <somiaj> Quatroking: you should also remove that
ubuntu source and try to fix things with debian packages.
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159[00:41:36] <Quatroking> the ubuntu source is the steam ppa
right
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161[00:41:37] <somiaj> Quatroking: apt-cache policy libsdtc++6
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162[00:41:45] <somiaj> Quatroking: correct
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165[00:42:05] <Quatroking> yeah I've already removed that
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166[00:42:48] <Quatroking> unable to locate package libsdtc++6
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167[00:43:10] <mrrhq> I remember the painful transition to
libsdtc++6 in unstablea year ago. Whew.
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169[00:43:31] <Quatroking> also N: Couldn't find any
package by regex 'libsdtc++6'
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170[00:43:33] <TomTomTosch> Quatroking: std not sdt
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171[00:43:42] <Quatroking> oh, bahg
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173[00:43:54] <somiaj> yea sorry, my dyslixia there
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174[00:43:56] <mrrhq> Hahaha.
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175[00:44:13] <Quatroking> got it:
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176[00:44:16] <mrrhq> I also misspelled it.
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178[00:44:48] <TomTomTosch> yeah, you pulled that from the
ubuntu repo :(
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180[00:45:59] <mrrhq> Ew, ew, ew.
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183[00:46:12] <Quatroking> I feel ashamed
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184[00:46:32] <mrrhq> Np, I make returded mistakes all the time.
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185[00:46:37] <Quatroking> :P
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189[00:47:19] <Quatroking> Should I just go ahead and reinstall
the whole thing? it's not like there's a bunch of
important stuff on it anyways
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190[00:47:28] <TomTomTosch> maybe you can downgrade it if you
are lucky and the planets are aligned just right. else you would
have to do a fresh install.
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191[00:47:42] <Quatroking> worst thing is having to setup x11vnc
all over
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193[00:48:08] <Quatroking> Alright, time to find a USB key
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196[00:49:00] <CSmith> Hi all, I'm new to Linux and
I'm having some trouble getting Guest Additions to run. I
unmounted the CD-1, mounted GA from the dropdown, then tried to run
sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run and it tells me that the command
isn't found. I tried running the terminal directly from the CD
folder and got the same issue. When I did 'pwd' and
'ls -l' the pwd referenced /media/cdrom0 but the -ls threw
an
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197[00:49:00] <CSmith> I/O error.
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200[00:49:39] <Quatroking> Oh, here's a fun one: Can I
install while connected with SSH or something?
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201[00:49:45] <mrrhq> Quatroking: If you save your home and /etc
directory somewhere and restore file, you should have your x11vnc
settings saved somewhere.
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202[00:50:01] <Quatroking> Good one, will do
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205[00:50:28] <Quatroking> But yeah remote install would be nice
so I wouldn't have to move that one meter to the machine itself
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206[00:50:37] <Quatroking> I am a considerably lazy person
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209[00:51:59] <lollipop> CSmith: you need to copy RUNLinux-file
somewhere on your computer and run it
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211[00:52:29] <lollipop> for instance: your home folder
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212[00:52:36] <mrrhq> I bet there's a way, either with apt
pinning target Jessie and forcing apt to reinstall packages from
Debian repos, you could get your system function again. It's
possible.
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215[00:53:21] <CSmith> I'm running Jessie through a
VirtualBox - I probably should have mentioned. When I open the CD
itself it's empty.
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216[00:53:23] <mrrhq> I mean, I am living proof that I was able
to downgrade from Sid to stable, following a guide somewhere on the
Internet. Lol.
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217[00:53:36] <Quatroking> heh
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224[00:55:15] <lollipop> CSmith: try to attach your guest
edition in and copy Linux .run file to your home folder and run it
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225[00:55:26] <lollipop> CSmith: it should work
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248[01:09:12] <mrrhq> Oh yeah, debian has had netinstalls for a
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249[01:09:49] <CSmith> OK awesome, that seemed to fix it. I
guess I'd better figure out why it was saying the CD was empty,
then when I force-unmounted it couldn't load the GA CD into the
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292[01:33:12] <blackflow> So I'm trying out Debian testing,
with GNOME. I've set up wifi connection but I can't find
in the connection settings where to set up search domains. What
gives?
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295[01:34:11] <missmbob> !debian-next
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296[01:34:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
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297[01:34:14] <missmbob> blackflow: ^
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305[01:35:33] <mrrhq> blackflow: I can easily solve your
problem, uninstall Gnome's network manager, use Debian's
interfaces file, and add a search line in resolv.conf. :^)
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308[01:36:00] <blackflow> thanks tho'
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309[01:37:19] <mrrhq> Heheheh.
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342[01:53:39] <smacz> Hey guys, quick question. To prevent
kernel updates, can I just `apt-mark hold linux-image-*`? Is it
really that simple?
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361[02:01:09] <mrrhq> smacz: Yeah, but you don't need the
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363[02:01:39] <mrrhq> Although I don't know... why you
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365[02:02:07] <TomTomTosch> linux-image-amd64 is just a
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366[02:02:56] <mrrhq> If he doesn't have the meta-package
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367[02:03:15] <mrrhq> But wouldn't it still work that way?
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370[02:04:23] <TomTomTosch> not if linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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419[02:30:27] <prettyjane> Outstanding video by Scott Roberts:
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420[02:31:32] <smacz> mrrhq: live iso meant for clean boot in
public wifi. I have an update script that I run - I just don't
want to bring down the entire kernel on public wifi every time I
boot before I can generate an updated ISO
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451[02:48:21] <timBandTech> test
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453[02:49:04] <danny_> ok, many bad errors
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456[02:49:47] <danny_> end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector
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457[02:49:55] <danny_> aborting jounal
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458[02:50:00] <danny_> lots of stuff like that
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463[02:53:22] <antipsychiatry> Jeffrey Schaler: Psychiatry is a
Fraud and Is All About Control. !!!! Psychiatry must be abolished!!
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468[02:55:18] <timBandTech> am i here?
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471[02:55:28] <johnkeates> no
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472[02:55:32] <johnkeates> you are in a black hole
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475[02:55:51] <timBandTech> yes, it looks like I am. having
trouble sending to some channels
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477[02:56:14] <danny_> apparently my journal is messed up or
something? and fsck helps?
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478[02:56:24] <simonlnu> yes
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479[02:56:25] <timBandTech> I don't have any black holes as
far as I know, other than my computers.
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481[02:56:51] <danny_> what options do I want to use with fsck?
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483[02:57:57] <smacz> Refresh my memory - was debian holding
back iceweasel for some reason? I feel like I heard that it was...
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486[02:58:29] <johnkeates> ice weasel is now firefox usr
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488[02:59:48] <smacz> johnkeates: my apologies -
"usr"?
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489[02:59:57] <johnkeates> esr*
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490[03:00:34] <johnkeates> Iceweasel was called that way due to
copyright/trademaks, Firefox ESR is back because that was resolved
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532[03:41:07] <danny_> How do I know if debian needs to be
rebooted?
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534[03:41:25] <danny_> if reboot-required is in /var/run/ ?
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535[03:41:56] <johnkeates> you will know if you executed a
command that requires a reboot to work
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536[03:42:09] <johnkeates> in theory it never needs to be
rebooted, unless you upgrade your kernel
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537[03:43:10] <danny_> johnkeates, Well I just installed a bunch
of stuff with apt-get upgrade and I didn't really read any of
it
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538[03:43:58] <johnkeates> that's not debian's fault
:p
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541[03:44:26] <johnkeates> basically, everything can be
restarted while your are working
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542[03:44:38] <johnkeates> rebooting is just restarting
'everything'
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543[03:45:00] <johnkeates> but for example, if you have firefox
open, and you upgrade it, you have to close it yourself, and open it
again to use the new version
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544[03:45:12] <johnkeates> if you upgraded mysql or postfix,
apt/dpkg usually restart them for you
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545[03:45:34] <danny_> johnkeates, didn't say it is, I
usually use ubuntu and I wasn't sure if debian did the /var/run
thing also
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547[03:46:05] <danny_> johnkeates, I'm setting up an
openmediavault server so I have to learn a little debian
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549[03:46:26] <johnkeates> well, as far as i know, debian never
really needs a reboot unless you want to swap kernels
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550[03:46:44] <danny_> I will say a royally skrewed up a bit ago
to the point where tab autocomplete returned an error
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551[03:46:58] <johnkeates> in such a case, open a fresh shell
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552[03:47:06] <johnkeates> if that doesn't work, log out
and back in again
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554[03:47:34] <danny_> johnkeates, it kept talking about the
journal being messed up and everything being in read only mode
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555[03:47:44] <johnkeates> sounds like a bad hard drive to me
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556[03:47:51] <johnkeates> that's something that's in
the kernel's ballpark
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559[03:48:03] <danny_> johnkeates, hopefully not, I had just
repartitioned everything
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560[03:48:16] <thadtheman> xinput misidentifys my keyboard and
and mouse. How can I fix that?
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561[03:48:25] <johnkeates> use smartmontools and maybe badblocks
to check for a broken hard disk
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564[03:49:21] <sorokya> anyone around that could help me trouble
shoot a login crash?
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566[03:49:59] <danny_> johnkeates, I'll run smartctl
overnight
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567[03:50:46] <danny_> johnkeates, any obvious options that I
need?
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569[03:51:34] <sorokya> I tried adding a xrandr command to my
autostart apps in MATE and it broke everything
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572[03:54:06] <johnkeates> use smartctl to figure out the
current values
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573[03:54:10] <johnkeates> no need for special tests
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574[03:54:14] <johnkeates> if the disk is bad it will already
know
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576[03:55:29] <sorokya> I tried removing the script from
~./config/autostart and it still crashed when launching mate :\
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577[03:55:58] <sorokya> I have access to the logs but don't
see anything obviously going wrong
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580[03:57:09] <_unreal_> how do I stop bluetooth services from
being loaded during boot?
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581[03:57:22] <_unreal_> I have a computer that is freezing
every time bluetooth services start
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584[03:59:09] <johnkeates> disable them
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590[04:00:20] <_unreal_> hehehehe thats the idea I'm asking
how I dont know where to start? I cant systemctrl because its
hanging
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593[04:01:04] <_unreal_> where would I find the startup script?
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594[04:01:50] <_unreal_> 14.04
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595[04:01:55] <_unreal_> err not that thats this computer lol
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600[04:06:04] <socomm> _unreal_: Is this Ubuntu or Debian?
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603[04:07:18] <_unreal_> debain
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604[04:07:27] <_unreal_> THIS netbook is ubuntu
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605[04:07:34] <johnkeates> NO, THIS IS PATRICK
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606[04:07:40] <johnkeates> also, this is not #ubuntu
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607[04:07:41] <_unreal_> the debain computer is my cubox
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609[04:07:56] <awal1> _unreal_, systemctl --all and look for
bluetooth services and disable them. append grep & less if
convenient
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610[04:07:56] <Hello71> what is debain
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612[04:08:11] <_unreal_> I cant, it is hanging during the boot
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613[04:08:15] <awal1> ubuntu »»» #ubuntu
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614[04:08:59] <johnkeates> boot single user and disable it there
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615[04:09:08] <johnkeates> or use kernel parameter to disable bt
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618[04:09:37] <danny_> johnkeates, apparently smart was turned
off on my drive
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620[04:09:47] <socomm> _unreal_: wrong channel, amigo
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625[04:10:28] <_unreal_> socomm, what are you talking about
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626[04:10:52] <awal1> _unreal_, also you can blacklist it
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627[04:11:10] <_unreal_> not sure how
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628[04:11:23] <_unreal_> one second
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631[04:12:22] <_unreal_>
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632[04:12:25] <_unreal_> That is what I'm running
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634[04:12:58] <_unreal_> debian hardFP floatpoint,
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637[04:14:46] <awal1> _unreal_, try adding rfkill block
bluetooth to your /etc/rc.local file before exit 0 and check if it
helps
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641[04:15:50] <_unreal_> lol i cant!
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642[04:15:57] <_unreal_> it hangs before I can get a prompt
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645[04:17:09] <_unreal_> its annoying because I have no display
till it passes the dislpay param. so i only have a serial monitor
console that I cant even do anything with
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646[04:17:31] <johnkeates> remove the drive, connect it to a
working system
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647[04:17:33] <_unreal_> there for I need to adjust the scripts
that launch the bluetooth
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648[04:17:35] <johnkeates> or boot recovery media
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649[04:17:49] <_unreal_> its an ARM based system, it uses uboot
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651[04:18:03] <johnkeates> use uboot's environment
variables
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652[04:18:17] <_unreal_> ?
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653[04:18:31] <johnkeates> can you access boot
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655[04:18:34] <awal1> _unreal_, for blacklist blutooth in my
second machine I created a file called blacklist.conf in
/etc/modprobe.d and inserted in that file blacklist btusb
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656[04:18:39] <awal1> it worked for me
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657[04:18:55] <_unreal_> awal1, hum
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658[04:19:10] <johnkeates> if you have no method of accessing
the disk or uboot config, throw the thing in the trash
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659[04:19:18] <awal1> in /etc/modeprobe.d directory ^
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660[04:19:42] <awal1> modprobe ^
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661[04:19:45] <_unreal_> johnkeates, the only access to boot I
have is pre load. meaning the tiny uboot boot loader that is on the
internal mmc
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662[04:20:00] <_unreal_> but that doesnt give me I/O acess to
the harddrive
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663[04:20:17] <johnkeates> but it has all the boot variables
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664[04:20:27] <johnkeates> such as the linux cmdline where you
specify boot parameters
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665[04:20:31] <_unreal_> if it does I dont know what I'm
l;ooking at
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667[04:20:56] <awal1> but if you are using gnome or kde, thats
pretty easy to disable in system setting, I guess
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670[04:21:39] <_unreal_> hehe not using anything. the plan is to
have xbmc
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675[04:22:39] <fredddddd> Has anyone been able to use Debian
Stretch with an AMD Fury? After I install, Debian does not boot.
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676[04:22:51] <_unreal_> driving me crazy, solid-run use to have
everthing working then they @#$@#$ the servers and enver updated any
of the scripts for there own product.
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677[04:23:21] <_unreal_> pissis me off, its just like microsoft
dropping the original Xbox like it was nothing
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700[04:35:09] <balleyne> I'm running a Debian install now,
no GUI, and it's been hung on this step for over half an hour:
"Disabling netinst CD in sources.list..." (under Finishing
the Installation 25%). What should I do?
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701[04:35:46] <freddd> Have you retried the setup balleyne?
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703[04:36:40] <balleyne> freddd, what do you mean? I
haven't retried anything yet, this is a first attempt at
installing and it hasn't prompted me with a retry option or
anything.
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704[04:36:51] <freddd> It could indicate a hard drive problem,
but it could also indicate something else, a hardware
incompatibility. The best thing to do is just to retry. Has your
hardware given you trouble before?
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705[04:37:05] <freddd> No, just shutting down your PC and
retrying the setup from scratch.
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706[04:37:21] <freddd> Or pressing Esc to see if it goes back a
step.
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712[04:38:52] <balleyne> freddd, okay, thanks, will try. This is
a new hard drive, and an old laptop from a friend, so could easily
be a hardware issue
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723[04:45:47] <qih> Using Debian 8/AMD64, I want to edit some
xkb items such as specific keymap, but my currnet locale
"en_NZ.utf8", is not in the list of available locales in
/usr/share/X11/locale, why not?
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726[04:46:51] <qih> cl
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727[04:46:51] <qih> ls
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728[04:46:55] <qih> Sorry.
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729[04:48:01] <jak2000> how to execute with root privilege
immedialy boot up...
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730[04:48:17] <jak2000> always for my debian have access to
network i need type:
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731[04:48:34] <jak2000> sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup eth0
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732[04:48:55] <capum321> qih you want to change keyboard layout?
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733[04:49:40] <capum321> jak you should write in conf file
something like eth0 auto
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735[04:50:02] <jak2000> capum321 i have been configured.. not
know why react ....
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736[04:50:06] <jak2000> as i explained
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737[04:50:46] <capum321> open the file again, did the
information stored?
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738[04:50:54] <jak2000> yes
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739[04:51:34] <capum321> is it dhcp?
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740[04:51:40] <jak2000> static
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742[04:51:56] <qih> capum321: I have changed the keyboard layout
to Esperanto (EPO) but two of the EPO chars are mapped to [ ],
whereas I want them on their respctive letters: j & h
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743[04:52:19] <qih> So need to find out current xkb mapping
layout
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745[04:52:46] <qih> I just found this on Arch Wiki: xkbcomp -xkb
$DISPLAY xkbmap <= That shows current setup
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746[04:52:51] <capum321> jak2000: are you using networkmanager ?
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747[04:53:07] <ryouma> is xkbcomp the new xmodmap?
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749[04:53:30] <qih> ryouma: NFI, works on Debian 8
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750[04:53:37] <jak2000> i think yes
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751[04:53:39] <jak2000> how to check?
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753[04:54:23] <capum321> jak2000: is it the graphical tool ?
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763[04:59:19] <jak2000> not
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769[05:00:33] <jak2000> apt list | grep network-manager
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770[05:00:36] <jak2000> yes i have installed
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771[05:00:37] <jak2000> remove?
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775[05:00:58] <qih> What si the correct name for there => [ ]
... parentheses?
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777[05:01:15] <sypher> jak2000: apt list doesn't list
everything you have installed. dpkg -l does.
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779[05:01:41] <sypher> jak2000: apt list --installed will also
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781[05:01:58] <jak2000> ok
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782[05:02:03] <jak2000> installed network-manager
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1179[05:48:39] <_rubik> so I just ran an nslookup on
wiki.debian.org and found the cname is wilder.debian.org
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1180[05:48:53] <_rubik> Whats the story there?
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1181[05:49:16] <freddd> _rubik what is awkward about that?
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1183[05:49:53] <freddd> People tend to name servers, I do as
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1185[05:50:12] <_rubik> freddd: Nothing is awkward. So that was
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1186[05:50:20] <freddd> Yeah.
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1187[05:50:27] <_rubik> freddd: Neat. Thanks
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1188[05:50:32] <freddd> I name mine usually toward greek inspired
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1189[05:50:38] <freddd> aristedes.website.com and so forth.
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1198[05:54:54] <balleyne> freddd, thanks btw, the install worked
on the second try
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1199[05:55:34] <freddd> No problem. ^^
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1273[06:44:22] <b0ss_> I´m clueless.. how can I install
Windows 10 and Debian making dual boot ?
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1274[06:44:32] <jmcnaught> !ops anti-semitism conspiracy junk
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1275[06:44:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: anti-semitism conspiracy junk
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1277[06:44:53] <jmcnaught> b0ss_: in the past it's generally
meant installing windows first, then linux second
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1280[06:45:12] <stoned> !dualboot
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1281[06:45:12] <dpkg> This describes a system that can boot to
two different OSs. Some, like Windows XP and 7, allow for dual
booting when installed. There is commercial programs that install a
special boot partition capable of launching OSs from other
partitions, to boot more than two OSs on the same machine. see
<dual boot guide>, <supergrub>
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1284[06:45:42] <stoned> !dual boot guide
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1285[06:45:42] <dpkg> A guide for setting up dual boot with
Windows 7 can be found at
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1287[06:46:57] <x37_> how is anyone feeling
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1288[06:47:05] <x37_> anyone and or everyone
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1290[06:49:46] <b0ss_> you told me about Win 7 but I meant Win 10
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1292[06:51:43] <jmcnaught> b0ss_: you probably need to use UEFI
booting for Debian, since i think windows 10 requires UEFI. To
install Debian with UEFI you must use an installer image. live
images don't support UEFI
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1295[06:53:23] <morf> jmcnaught: only for devices that was
released after windows 10
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1297[06:54:19] <morf> b0ss_: so basically yes you can if you can
boot legacy bios, and have hw that will allow you run the windows 10
without uefi bios
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on my ultrabook which dates back to 2014. An ASUS. There´s a C
and a D driver. I want to start it all over: Win 10 with 500GB and
300GB for Debian.
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1431[08:18:41] <valdyn> no_gravity: wget 2001::1 (for example)
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1432[08:19:19] <no_gravity> Looks like I cannot reach any ipv6
thing.
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1554[10:03:21] <hanz_> Hi. What is the recommended way to enable
TRIM on a LUKS partition with Debian Jessie?
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1560[10:05:05] <jelly-home> hanz_: add discard to the relevant
line in /etc/crypttab
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1561[10:05:27] <jelly-home> man 5 crypttab
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1563[10:06:00] <hanz_> jelly-home: Can you explain to me
what's the difference between "discard" and
"allow-discard" in crypttab and
"cryptdevice=...:discard" in the cmdline?
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1564[10:06:31] <jelly-home> I can't
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1570[10:06:55] <jelly-home> there is no mention of
"allow-discard" in said manual
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1571[10:07:29] <hanz_> jelly-home: I'm not sure, but it
could be that allow-discard was supported in earlier versions and
has been renamed to discard since :-/
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1572[10:07:47] <jelly-home> this is on debian 8.
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1573[10:08:02] <hanz_> I'm using Debian 8, so that's
good.
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1575[10:08:19] <hanz_> I guess I'll just use discard in
crypttab then and assume it's all good
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1579[10:09:26] <hanz_> jelly-home: Do I also need to enable
"issue-discards" in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf (I guess so)
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1583[10:10:48] <jelly-home> > Issue discards to PVs that are
no longer used by an LV.
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1584[10:11:09] <jelly-home> if you shrink or remove LVs or pvmove
often, sure
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1587[10:12:22] <hanz_> jelly-home: OK, so it's not really
necessary in my case, but I'm wondering why it's disabled
by default :-/ I can't think of a disadvantage
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1588[10:13:48] <jelly-home> ask in #lvm maybe
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1590[10:14:27] <jelly-home> mention the OS, kernel and lvm2
version used
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1591[10:14:54] <blackflow> Hello. Need help figuring out why the
laptop won't suspend when I close the lid. Catting
/proc/acpi/button/lid/.../state in a loop shows state:closed when I
closed it, and state:open when I open it. Default settings, Debian
testing, gnome. Any pointers where to start looking?
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1592[10:15:55] <hanz_> blackflow: syslog maybe
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1596[10:16:18] <blackflow> logind.conf is default,
#HandleLidSwitch=suspend
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1597[10:16:46] <blackflow> hanz_: there is no relevant message
tailing journalctl. do you suggest some other way to check the logs?
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1598[10:17:07] <hanz_> hanz_: I usually just "tail -f
/var/log/syslog"
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1602[10:18:24] <blackflow> googling about it, I see an archlinux
forum post where somoene saw "Lid closed" and "Lid
opened" log events for systemd-logind service. I don't see
those (despite acpi state being recognized). perhaps that's a
clue?
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1603[10:19:02] <hanz_> blackflow: Can you check
"systemd-inhibit --list" if there's an application
inhibiting logind from suspending?
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1607[10:20:39] <hanz_> I'm not entirely sure if
handle-lid-switch has a separate event for inhibits, but on my GNOME
"handle-power-key:handle-suspend-key:handle-hibernate-key"
are inhibited by the gnome-settings-daemon
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1614[10:22:17] <blackflow> hanz_:
replaced-url
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1615[10:22:33] <blackflow> though, I can suspend if I press
(shortly) the power button.
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1616[10:22:38] <blackflow> so suspend itself works fine
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1621[10:24:48] <hanz_> blackflow: I'd say that
gnome-settings-daemon is responsible for lid switch not working.
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1623[10:25:38] <hanz_> blackflow: I'm not using GNOME that
often. Do you know if there's an option somewhere in the
settings where you could disable going to sleep on lid close?
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1624[10:26:09] <armin> blackflow: you usually have the option to
let systemd handle the lid switch, circumventing all other ways.
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1625[10:26:22] <armin> blackflow: see /etc/systemd/logind.conf
iirc
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1627[10:27:13] <armin> blackflow: there likely is some kind of
power management daemon that comes with gnome (i always end up
uninstalling gnome after less than 20min so i don't know).
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1630[10:27:55] <armin> ah, hanz_ already pointed that out.
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1631[10:28:04] <blackflow> hanz_: there is something in the power
section of the tweak tool, a boolean switch that doesn't change
anything, and according to the help message, enabling it would
_prevent_ suspend on lid close.
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1632[10:28:04] <armin> overlooked.
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1634[10:29:04] <hanz_> blackflow: Just checked in my tweak tool
and it looks like it's just displaying the title but not the
option itself :-/
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1635[10:29:22] <armin> blackflow: my advise would be to start by
disabling anything gnome and enabling this within systemd. the gnome
stuff has a good chance to be broken or buggy.
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1636[10:29:52] <hanz_> If I run "journalctl -xn" I do
get "Lid closed" messages followed by
"Suspending..." from logind so I actually assume, that
unlike xfce4-power-manager e.g. GNOME does not actually inhibit the
lid switch :-/
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1640[10:30:32] <blackflow> armin: I see, thanks. Well I'm
just trying this out. Gnome is losing valuable functionality and I
don't think I'll continue using it anyway. Just thought to
get this working meanwhile. I'll try this last advice, going
systemd only without gnome controlling those options.
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1642[10:30:53] <blackflow> hanz_: and I don't get those
messages at all, but acpi registers the lid closed.
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1647[10:31:41] <hanz_> hanz_: Have you tried uncommenting
HandleLidSwitch in logind.conf and maybe setting
"LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes" (even though that should be
default)?
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1648[10:32:26] <hanz_> I usually don't use x86 systems
often, so if it turns out to be an ACPI problem, I'm afraid
I can't be of any help :-/
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1650[10:32:40] <armin> blackflow: there has been 'heavy
development' (read: 'blatantly insane constant changes
that could change any aspect of the behaviour') in systemd and
power management stuff, i reckon the gnome developers even had
problems to catch up with their things.
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1652[10:32:53] <armin> oh, hanz_ even pointed out the 2 relevant
settings and the correct filename.
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1654[10:33:16] <hanz_> armin: Ehrm, thanks, I guess ;-)
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1656[10:33:36] <armin> what hanz_ just said is what i would try.
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1662[10:33:45] <armin> hanz_: kudos. :)
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1664[10:34:27] <hanz_> So, armin, what do you prefer instead of
GNOME?
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1665[10:34:49] <armin> hanz_: i'd go with xfce4 for now.
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1666[10:35:06] <hanz_> armin: Seems like a good choice :-)
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1667[10:35:17] <hanz_> Or KDE if you like the animations :P
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1668[10:35:25] <armin> hanz_: i often use weird constructs
involving i3 and heavily customized setups, too, but considering how
much work that is i can't recommend you to go through all that.
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1671[10:35:48] <armin> kde becomes usable once you switch off all
that animations stuff i think. it
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1672[10:36:01] <armin> it's still blatantly bloated,
especially compared to xfce.
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1674[10:36:32] <hanz_> armin: Usually I just start off with plain
xfce4, and then usually the first thing I do is install awesome and
start xfce4-session from within awesome. That has turned out to work
really well for me
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1675[10:36:39] <blackflow> I made uncommented and enabled
HandleLidSwitch, HandleLidSwitchDocket and LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited,
no go. Ah, well.... :)
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1676[10:36:54] <armin> xfce works pretty well as a daily driver
if all you want to do is get going and be able to focus on your work
within a matter of less than 5 minutes. that
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1678[10:37:07] <armin> damn this (*&$(*@& keyboard
layout. damn it.
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1679[10:37:09] <hanz_> armin: Of course, KDE is bloated
(similar to GNOME) but somehow you can still use it as a desktop
I'd say.
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1680[10:37:25] <hanz_> armin: u using an american keyboard? :P
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1683[10:38:22] <armin> hanz_: you can. if you switch off all that
crap that it comes with. sounds, animations, fades, transparency
WITH blur effects which make things slow on most hardware, very very
evil defaults and recursively cascaded levels of encapsulated menus
and dialogs.
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1684[10:38:26] <hanz_> KDE actually has some nice gimmicks,
while still allowing you to actually configure your system to work
the way you actually want it to. But of course, it's nowhere
near lightweight.
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1686[10:39:03] <armin> hanz_: i use quite a good number of very
fast computers and kde still is so slow on them that i need to
switch off all that stuff.
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1689[10:39:21] <hanz_> armin: usually I go the other way round.
I enable _all_ of the sounds, animations, fades, wobbly
windows, GL accellerated window manager and just have some fun
with it for a few hours.
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1690[10:39:40] <hanz_> armin: I usually use slow computers and
KDE is also slow on them if you enable the animations :P
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1691[10:39:45] <armin> hanz_: ok you're of that strange kind
i get it. :)
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1694[10:39:57] <hanz_> armin: haha
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1696[10:40:37] <hanz_> to play around it's kinda cool but to
get actual work done I'd rather just have what's
important, and animations, fades and shit are _not_ important
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1699[10:41:04] <hanz_> The sad thing is actually that I can
totally understand the direction GNOME is going to, even though
I actually don't support it at all
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1700[10:41:08] <armin> hanz_: well i'm able to come up with
a usable desktop in xfce in well less than 10 minutes and i can just
tell my coworker to sit next to me because we're now ready to
rock. mac os x is about 30min until i can start my work, kde is
about 1 hour at least.
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1702[10:41:47] <armin> hanz_: i automated most parts of my i3
setups with scripts so that nowadays is fast as hell to bootstrap,
too, but that was a hell of work.
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1703[10:42:19] <hanz_> armin: Agreed, exept that the Mac
OS X figure is only true when running Mac
OS X < 10.6. Everything later is just a huge
clusterfuck that I honestly dont want to deal with. Similar to
Windows 8 and Android 5.0+
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1704[10:42:33] <armin> hanz_: having to install an extension to
get a minimize and maximize button on a window is completely beyond
it. i can
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1705[10:42:44] <blackflow> I was using i3 a lot until I realized
all of my windows are always maximized and I need more than 10
displays :D
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1707[10:42:50] <hanz_> armin: u talking of gnome?
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1708[10:42:51] <armin> oh wow, how can anyone put the enter key
put just next to the ' key
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1709[10:43:12] <blackflow> nowadays I just want no fuss, no
fiddle works out of the box things, so I can concentrate on work.
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1710[10:43:19] <armin> hanz_: yes. it has been like that for a
long time. gnome is unusable without the tweak tool.
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1711[10:43:46] <hanz_> armin: I'd actually say GNOME was
useable until 3.0 and now is almost useable again, thanks to the
tweak tool
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1712[10:43:50] <armin> blackflow: i agree with minimalism
totally, it still doesn't justify those insane decisions.
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1714[10:44:08] <hanz_> lol
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1715[10:44:11] <blackflow> armin: I just can't understand
why GNOME is removing useful functions. NetworkManager, there used
to be a way to set up search domains, and I use that a lot to access
our serves by hostname alone withouth having to manually write out a
list.....
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1716[10:44:39] <hanz_> blackflow: What? no search domains in
network-manager anymore?
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1717[10:44:45] <armin> networkmanager is another good member of
that insanity posse bikers club.
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1718[10:44:50] <hanz_> since when is that, because my
network-manager in my custom xfce still has
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1720[10:45:04] <blackflow> hanz_: I'm running debian testing
with gnome3
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1721[10:45:26] <armin> i consider networkmanager blatantly
broken. it has gotten way better over the last years, but i ended up
abandoning all that crap, including networkmanager and gnome,
entirely.
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1722[10:45:28] <blackflow> from what I read on the net, the gnome
gui removed it, while the NM itself supports the functionality
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1723[10:45:36] <hanz_> blackflow: Forgot that. Oh crap,
don't tell me I need to find an alternative to nm too when
I upgrade to stretch -.-
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1724[10:45:55] <blackflow> well... :)
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1725[10:45:58] * hanz_ is relieved
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1726[10:45:59] <armin> hanz_: just abandon it. use commandline
tools directly. you won't be any slower.
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1728[10:46:36] <hanz_> armin: Just which one? Part of the reason
of using nm was that it just works out of the box (unless you want
to OpenVPN)
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1729[10:46:50] <armin> i have a good friend who develops peervpn
(peervpn.net). he would call you completely insane for using NM.
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1731[10:47:13] <armin> hanz_: i just use wpa_supplicant and
dhcpcd.
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1732[10:48:00] <hanz_> armin: that's the thing. In the end
I will end up using five different applications to connect to
university Wi-Fi, work Wi-Fi, home Wi-Fi, uni VPN, office VPN and
all that crap
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1733[10:48:11] <armin> i had a visitor here 1 week ago who tried
to connect to my wifi for 20min. i just killed his NM process and
connected him manually after 20min of fiddling around, and he was up
and running in well below 30sec.
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1734[10:48:21] <hanz_> I do totally agree that nm sucks, but
so far I've found nothing better
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1735[10:48:35] <armin> hanz_: i just use some tiny helper
scripts. that
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1736[10:48:36] <hanz_> what Wi-Fi do you have?
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1737[10:48:39] <armin> 's it.
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1738[10:48:51] <hanz_> how many of them do you need to run in a
root shell?
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1740[10:49:03] <armin> hanz_: what do you mean by what wifi?
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1741[10:49:13] <hanz_> armin: how is it configures
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1742[10:49:17] <hanz_> *configured
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1743[10:49:44] <armin> hanz_: i just send wpa_supplicant a kill
signal after having added a new AP config and am connected. it
automatically roams, too.
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1746[10:50:29] <hanz_> armin: but what was the reason that nm
could not connect?
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1747[10:50:32] <armin> i just close the lid of my laptop at home
and open it again when i'm on the train and am connected
instantly. no NM, no bloat, no crap.
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1748[10:50:47] <armin> hanz_: ah, i don't know. software bug
i think.
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1749[10:50:59] <hanz_> armin: same for me...
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1750[10:51:16] <armin> hanz_: i got a ubiquiti AP/AC, which just
works with all other devices that i have, including apple devices
and various android phones.
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1751[10:51:34] <blackflow> I know I'm in #debian, and
I'm really not trolling, but my daily driver is Ubuntu Unity
and that thing just works. wifi and nm? click, click, enter
ssid+pass, click, done. as I like that kind of interface, I wanted
to try out Debian with gnome but man that gnome is TOTALLY gone
downhill....
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1752[10:51:37] <hanz_> armin: are you using their edgeos or
whatever it's called?
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1755[10:52:08] <hanz_> W00t??? UBUNTU???
FUCK THIS GUY!! BAN!!
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1756[10:52:13] <blackflow> heh
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1757[10:52:22] <hanz_> no srsly? how can you even...
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1758[10:52:30] <armin> hanz_: i would have to find out the ip of
that AP thing. i know i can connect to it with root user/pass, but
i'm so tired and lazy that i ask you to not ask me to have to
find out it's IP right now.
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1759[10:52:48] <hanz_> Ubuntu is (and I'm not joking) an
african word and means "too stupid to configure Debian"
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1761[10:53:03] <dutchfish> wel, i have ent. radius auth
configured through nm within kde for many endpoints, no problem
whatsoever. fyi.
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1762[10:53:06] <armin> hanz_: it's been years since i
connected to it via ssh even. :)
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1764[10:53:16] <hanz_> armin: I was wondering if you flashed
OpenWrt or something...
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1766[10:53:42] <blackflow> hanz_: because it just works! last
night I removed ubuntu from this laptop (which isn't my main
computer so good for testing), and tried Debian. Took me all evening
to set it up after regular Jessie nstalled but wouldn't work
(it's a broadwell so possibly that's the reason). Then
dl'd the testing iso, and it works... except that gnome, as I
said, ... :)
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1767[10:53:51] <hanz_> EAP-TLS works like a charme with nm,
that's true
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1768[10:53:56] <armin> hanz_: no. i run a tiny router board with
pfsense on it but that doesn't even do wifi. i just connected
that standalone wifi AP to my switch and that's it.
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1769[10:54:06] <jelly> hanz_: calm your tits
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1770[10:54:33] <armin> and yes i connect to corporate
wifi's, too, including radius and ldap authentication things.
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1771[10:54:38] <armin> it just works.
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1772[10:54:47] <hanz_> like with nm :P
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1773[10:54:49] <armin> no NM, no gui, no pain.
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1774[10:54:58] <hanz_> NM, gui, no pain :)
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1777[10:55:12] <armin> well. :)
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1778[10:55:29] <armin> that's how human beings differ, i
assume.8)
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1779[10:55:32] <blackflow> the only pain I had with NM was when
working with bridged interfaces, that always required config files.
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1780[10:55:38] <hanz_> whatever floats you boat. My strategy is
to stay with whatever's pre-installed until it pisses me off
enough so that I go and look for an alternative
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1784[10:56:28] <hanz_> armin: So you have an Intel RouterBoard?
(afaik pfsense is x86-only)
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1785[10:56:43] <armin> hanz_: see, on my systems i go with as
vanilla as it can be out of the box. i don't want bloat to be
installed when setting up a new system. since wifi already works,
why would i even consider installing something more on top? ;)
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1786[10:56:51] <armin> hanz_: yes, some alix thing.
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1787[10:57:09] <hanz_> armin: alix?
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1788[10:57:48] <armin> hanz_:
replaced-url
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1789[10:58:12] <blackflow> hanz_: there's also this
alternate african dialect in which Ubuntu means "don't
wanna fiddle with my desktop after spending the entire day fiddling
with servers; and after 10 years of playing with Linux, including
Gentoo and LFS, and knowing it well inside out on the low level
side, I just want clicky-click-done. :) "
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1790[10:58:16] <hanz_> armin: nice box :-/ but what is it?
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1791[10:58:27] <armin> blackflow: lol
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1792[10:58:45] <armin> hanz_: x86 something. runs pfsense
perfectly.
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1793[10:58:47] <hanz_> blackflow: Didn't know that dialect,
where is it spoken?
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1794[10:58:53] <blackflow> ;)
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1795[10:59:18] <hanz_> armin: The other day I've seen a very
nice RouterBoard, PowerPC of course...
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1796[10:59:26] <armin> hanz_: i used a 486 with debian as a
router for years until it got too slow. ;)
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1797[10:59:40] <hanz_> dat power consumption...
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1798[10:59:48] <armin> areplaced-url
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1799[11:01:05] <armin> hanz_: yeah those were the reasons to look
for something different... i also abandoned my workstation pc in
favor of less power consumption and now exclusively use thinkpads
(x220) with freebsd or linux (debian, voidlinux).
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1800[11:01:12] <blackflow> so what's recommended for Debian
these days in the DE department. xfce? KDE? (remember, I want
clicky-click done, no fiddling with i3 any more)
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1802[11:01:37] <armin> blackflow: i'd totally recommend
xfce.
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1803[11:01:43] <hanz_> blackflow: u likes the animations?
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1804[11:01:51] <hanz_> blackflow: GTK or Qt?
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1805[11:01:52] <blackflow> don't particularly care about
animations
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1806[11:02:24] <hanz_> blackflow: Then I think it's mostly
what applications you use and where they feel at home
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1807[11:02:33] <blackflow> hanz_: doesn't matter as long as
it's nice to look at, ie no raw, prehistoric gtk2. even
kde<5 looks a bit ugly nowadays :)
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1810[11:03:03] <hanz_> blackflow: Then I would go with KDE, even
though you can make Xfce look really nice-looking
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1811[11:03:14] <jelly> xfce is still gtk2. debian 8 still has
kde4
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1812[11:03:41] <blackflow> jelly: I'm running stretch
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1813[11:03:41] <dutchfish> blackflow, i left gnome a couple of
years ago, i use kde for my userbase setup, i myself prefer still
the console with or without a wm, any wm for me goes depending on
the capabilities of the hardware and i am picky about that, i hate
blobs for LAN/WIFI.
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1814[11:03:51] <jelly> blackflow: you're in wrong channel
then
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1815[11:03:53] <blackflow> I'll check out xfce
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1816[11:04:11] <jelly> !debian-next
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1817[11:04:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1818[11:04:16] <blackflow> jelly: k, thanks. :)
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1824[11:05:55] <blackflow> oh yeah, MATE's not bad. I used
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1825[11:06:03] <blackflow> it is gtk2 but not raw
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1827[11:06:08] <hanz_> o.O
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1828[11:06:18] <hanz_> whatever "raw" is
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1829[11:06:29] <blackflow> looking like motif :)
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1830[11:06:30] <hanz_> armin:
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1834[11:07:30] <hanz_> I can recommend the Arc theme
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1901[11:50:21] <anondev> Hello, I'm installibg debian right
now, does 'use entire disc and set up encrypted LVM' mean
LVM on top of LUKS or the other way around?
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1908[11:52:14] <anondev> Or LUKS encypted LVM volumes
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1923[11:59:33] <DoctorD90> anondev,
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1924[11:59:46] <anondev> Is the debian encrypted installation
LUKS over LVM volumes or LVM volumes over LUKS?
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1925[11:59:47] <DoctorD90> disk->LVM->luks :) (from my
memory)
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1927[12:00:37] <anondev> Ah, thanks DoctordD90
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1930[12:01:26] <DoctorD90> lvm leaves you able to resize
partition. LUKS not. so maybe i miss-remeber
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1932[12:01:39] <DoctorD90> probably is a disk-> luks ->
lvm...
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1933[12:02:02] <DoctorD90> so lvm is entirly encrypted, than you
can edit partition inside lvm...
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1934[12:02:17] <anondev> Yeah, thats what I want
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1936[12:02:36] <anondev> A single LUKS container with the ability
to partition it
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1940[12:03:12] <DoctorD90> yea...disk-> luks-> lvm
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1943[12:04:35] <anondev> How can I check, I'm ony phone
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1944[12:04:43] <anondev> On my*
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1945[12:05:05] <DoctorD90> better wait :P anondev
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1952[12:07:00] <anondev> I did test drive, luks is first the the
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2035[12:54:12] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ REGISTER
>4k&AG mirkatoy1986@yandex.com
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2037[12:55:39] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ SET HIDEMAIL ON
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2038[12:56:11] <Cyber_Pirate> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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2043[12:58:39] <Megaf> Cyber_Pirate: oops
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2044[12:59:32] <Megaf> thankfully your email password is not
>4k&AG
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2045[12:59:35] <Gabs5807_> anondev: should be so. otherwise you
have to enter a passohrase for each luks partition ..
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2051[13:01:59] <Cyber_Pirate> Thankfully it is not :)
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2053[13:02:23] <Cyber_Pirate> Can I have some help?
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2055[13:03:10] <huhMull> ask yar question Cyber_Pirate
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2058[13:04:17] <Cyber_Pirate> How do I register my account? I
used /msg NickServ Register password Email
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2059[13:04:23] <Cyber_Pirate> but then my password went public
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2063[13:05:36] <huhMull> don't put a space before it
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2072[13:08:48] <Cyber_Pirate> Thanks HuhMull
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2073[13:08:56] <Cyber_Pirate> it was the space
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2109[13:33:36] <Megaf> folks, how unsafe would it be to not use
the security repo and only rely on
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2110[13:34:21] <jelly> Megaf: you'd miss security updates
for months at a time
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2111[13:34:31] <Megaf> so very unsafe
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2112[13:34:34] <jelly> (until the next point release)
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2114[13:35:22] <Megaf> I don't know man, I use only things
from the main repo, and in this case only a IRC client would be
running on the machine, not even ssh would be present
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2115[13:36:01] <jelly> security updates _are_ just for main
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2120[13:37:13] <Megaf> So I presume if there is a security update
for lets say, for a firmware inside firmware-linux-nonfree I will be
getting the update regardless of having security repo or not
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2123[13:38:38] <Megaf> anyway, thanks jelly. I will continue
using the security repo
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2133[13:41:14] <jelly> ok _mostly_ for main
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2175[14:04:28] <mtcj> I have installed Kodi (from backports) on
Jessie. I am noticing the interface runs very fast, seemingly faster
than it should be. I am also noticing my computer making fairly
audible hums- especially when navigating Kodi menus- that don't
occur when it's not running.
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2176[14:04:45] <mtcj> What are the peoples' thoughts?
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2179[14:05:36] <mtcj> Ah I am using fglrx also. I don't know
if it's a graphics card making the noise or not.
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2182[14:07:35] <novatojessie> how can i watch
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Freenode staff: If this is happening too frequently, please set a
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2229[14:34:22] <novatojessie> how can i watch
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2254[14:49:51] <no_gravity> When a terminal with an ssh session
freezes - any way to escape?
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2255[14:50:01] <no_gravity> Or do I have to kill the terminal
from the outside?
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2261[14:54:00] <hicks_> press enter ~ .
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2262[14:54:06] <hicks_> to drop a ssh session
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2267[14:56:16] <akaro> Hello, i've been trying to make my
elantech(synaptics driver) touchpad to turn off once i plug in the
mouse. It seems that my udev rule what i got from arch wiki works,
but libusb ignores it. I'm running Debian Stretch and here is
some detailed info.
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2268[14:56:36] <no_gravity> hicks_: Thanks. Will try that next
time.
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2274[14:57:57] <ByteStorm> hello ppl
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2279[14:58:53] <ByteStorm> i hav installed a base debian install
with SSH Server,Xserver and VNC server(though it wasnt needed) in
android with Linux Deploy
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2280[14:59:11] <ByteStorm> but i cannot manage to connect to it
using ssh
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2282[14:59:28] <ByteStorm> the android app i use to connect is
JuiceSSH
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2285[15:00:03] <ByteStorm> i want to connect to the install,from
my android ofcourse,through any means
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2286[15:00:15] <akaro> are you connecting as root?
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2287[15:00:22] <ByteStorm> yes
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2288[15:00:26] <akaro> because by default sshd config denies that
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2289[15:00:35] <akaro> try regular user and then su
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2290[15:00:35] <ByteStorm> i hav rooted my phone,and hav busybox
installed
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2291[15:00:49] <ByteStorm> i also hav a terminal installed
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2293[15:01:18] <ByteStorm> idk,does linux deploy install the ssh
configurations correctly?
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2294[15:01:19] <akaro> make a regular user account on the install
and connect like ssh username@hostname
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2295[15:01:25] <ByteStorm> ok
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2296[15:01:39] <akaro> because yeah sshd by default denies
connecting as root
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2297[15:01:41] <ByteStorm> well,one silly question
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2298[15:01:51] <akaro> and you can always su into root once you
are in as regular user
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2299[15:02:04] <ByteStorm> does busybox hav ssh command?
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2300[15:02:22] <akaro> no idea what is busybox, i just know about
ssh a bit
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2301[15:02:29] <ByteStorm> ok
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2303[15:02:54] <ByteStorm> so what steps i follow,srry for the
childish behaviour,number wise?
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2313[15:05:58] <ByteStorm> one question btw
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2316[15:06:25] <ByteStorm> does "echo hostname >
/etc/hostname" rewrite the install's hostname?
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2317[15:07:09] <akaro> yes > overwrites the whole file,
>> appends
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2320[15:08:43] <akaro> also by hostname i meant
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2321[15:08:50] <akaro> the ip address your install has
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2322[15:09:25] <akaro> gdi its android
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2323[15:09:58] <akaro> first of all get into your wifi
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2325[15:11:37] <ByteStorm> ok akaro,ive chrooted the install from
my android
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2326[15:11:43] <ByteStorm> and my wifi is open
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2331[15:12:01] <ByteStorm> ok,tell me if im wrong but
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2333[15:12:18] <ByteStorm> first i hav to create a user n set its
password
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2335[15:12:34] <ByteStorm> then i change the hostname using the
above command
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2337[15:12:42] <ByteStorm> akaro?
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2338[15:12:44] <akaro> no need to change the ostname
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2339[15:12:54] <ByteStorm> no,just to be sure
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2341[15:13:01] <jelly> what is "Linux Deploy" in the
first place?
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2343[15:13:27] <ByteStorm>
replaced-url
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2344[15:13:40] <ByteStorm> tht guys awesome
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2345[15:13:56] <ByteStorm> i had tried his previous apps too
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2347[15:16:02] <akaro> is the android device connected to your
wlan?
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2348[15:16:12] <akaro> if you boot it into your debian
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2349[15:16:18] <ByteStorm> no,just fuck it
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2350[15:16:26] <ByteStorm> i cant type anything
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2351[15:16:50] <ByteStorm> wtf,i hav to plug it to the computer
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2352[15:17:09] <TomTomTo1> you have juicessh runnind on android
and you try to connect from your computer to that device using ssh?
because that will not work.
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2354[15:18:31] <ByteStorm> i want to connect my running debian
install on android from another app on android(juicessh)
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2356[15:18:48] <ByteStorm> Linux Deploy doesnt allow to run the
install by itself
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2362[15:22:17] <jelly> ByteStorm: presumably you can open a local
terminal
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2363[15:22:33] <ByteStorm> yes jelly,i can,but
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2364[15:22:56] <ByteStorm> it wont allow to type anything to the
terminal once i chroot into the debian
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2366[15:23:48] <TomTomTo1> what credentials did you use to
connect with ssh?
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2370[15:24:26] <jelly> ByteStorm: does this happen only with a
debian chroot or with any other chrot?
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2371[15:24:31] <jelly> chroot*
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2374[15:24:38] <ByteStorm> i didnt use any credentials,and idk if
Linux Deploy made any for me
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2376[15:24:47] <jelly> TomTomTo1: who said ssh?
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2377[15:24:50] <ByteStorm> jelly only debian chroot
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2378[15:24:57] <TomTomTo1> jelly: they did
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2379[15:24:57] <ByteStorm> jelly i did
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2382[15:25:17] <TomTomTo1> ByteStorm: the github page says
"After the initial setup the default password for SSH and VNC
is changeme. "
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2383[15:25:28] <ByteStorm> ok
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2384[15:25:28] <jelly> ByteStorm: are you connecting via ssh
protocol, or local terminal and chroot?
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2385[15:25:51] <ByteStorm> i want to just connect...juicessh or
terminal both will do
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2386[15:25:55] <xxp> hello, to link another hard drive in my
home. Is it better to make a hard link ?
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2387[15:26:02] <ByteStorm> i hav no problem with any of them
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2389[15:26:51] <jelly> ByteStorm: juicessh can do both ssh or
open a terminal with a local shell. Which of the two are you trying?
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2390[15:27:01] <ByteStorm> ssh jelly
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2393[15:27:23] <jelly> and you can't type anything after
logging in via ssh?
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2394[15:27:27] <c0mrad3> I have problem with earphones with mic,
mic is working on phone but not working on my debian system and
other earphones with mic are working on the system, pointer to fix
the issue ?
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2397[15:28:35] <ByteStorm> well jelly i cant login to the running
instance of linux deploy
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2398[15:28:49] <ByteStorm> but im rechecking my config of
juicessh atm
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2399[15:30:39] <jelly> that's not what you said earlier
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2400[15:30:41] <jelly> <ByteStorm> it wont allow to type
anything to the terminal once i chroot into the debian
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2402[15:31:13] <WormFood> What's a good bittorrent client in
Debian, that will handle 1500 torrents? qBittorrent, and Deluge both
seem to choke way before it even gets to 1000 torrents.
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2403[15:31:47] <petemc> thats a lot of torrents
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2404[15:31:50] <ByteStorm> well,tht was using another app called
Android Terminal somethin to chroot into the device
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2405[15:32:18] <ByteStorm> ok jelly
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2407[15:32:32] <ByteStorm> tell me what to do,ill follow ya
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2408[15:33:03] <WormFood> petan, meh. It's not that many. I
actually do try to seed back what I download, which is why I have so
many at once.
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2409[15:33:15] <petemc> how many tcp connections would that be?
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2411[15:33:30] <WormFood> They're not all active at the same
time.
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2414[15:33:50] <WormFood> both qBittorrent, and Deluge allow you
to specify the number of active torrents you have.
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2415[15:33:52] <petemc> i use transmission, no idea if it could
handle that
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2418[15:34:21] <xxp> ByteStorm: thanks
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2420[15:34:54] <ByteStorm> why xxxp
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2421[15:34:58] <ByteStorm> xxp,
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2422[15:35:28] <jelly> ByteStorm: did you try opening a local
terminal in juicessh and chroot from there.
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2423[15:35:34] <ByteStorm> no
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2424[15:35:34] <WormFood> thanks petemc, I'll give it a
shot, since my options aren't working so well.
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2425[15:35:44] <petemc> np
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2427[15:36:16] <xxp> I have 3 directories : /dir/dir1/dir2 and I
want find stops @ dir1. I tried --maxdepth 2 but i did'nt get
any result. Where I'm wrong ?
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2430[15:36:48] <petemc> xxp: that should work, was your search
string correct?
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2431[15:37:17] <WormFood> --maxdepth won't work with find,
because it's a single -
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2433[15:38:23] <ByteStorm> jelly im trying tht out
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2434[15:38:29] <dutchfish> xpp, have you tried both options
`-maxdepth 2 -mindepth 2` ?
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2437[15:39:19] <akaro> WormFood i'm using rtorrent, but be
warned it has no GUI
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2446[15:44:47] <xxp> I didn't understood what I do wrong but
now I get the result I want. Works ! Thanks for your help
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2456[15:49:08] <xxp> Thanks to all. Bye
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2475[16:01:10] <justel> best hardware utils in repos ?
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2590[16:51:13] <Megaf> folks, and do you think this is a good
idea?
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2598[16:54:27] <awal1> Megaf, good idea?
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2599[16:55:22] <Megaf> If it is a good idea to have your server
updating itself
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2600[16:55:37] <Megaf> because something big might change and
break something without you knowing
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2602[16:56:24] <missmbob> Megaf: doubt it. by default that only
does security updates. nothing big. but anyway, i prefer to have the
server email me when it needs updates instead of doing it itself.
cron-apt or apticron or whatever
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2631[17:12:02] <martinnn> hi!
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2632[17:12:14] <martinnn> i created a bash script with apt-get
install less
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2633[17:12:22] <martinnn> know it asks me to install additonal
packages
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2635[17:12:46] <martinnn> how can i tell my bashscript to enter
"y" when it asks this?
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2636[17:12:54] <missmbob> -y
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2637[17:12:58] <martinnn> thx
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2638[17:13:05] <missmbob> martinnn: next time man apt-get
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2639[17:13:12] <martinnn> thx
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2641[17:13:21] <martinnn> i have to install man before missmbob
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2642[17:13:33] <missmbob> man is default
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2643[17:13:38] <TomTomTo1> so is less.
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2644[17:13:50] <tommyhaw> hey i have some trouble installing
jessie 8.5 on a USB, in particular the problem regards the
Nvidia960M
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2645[17:14:35] <martinnn> not on this machine
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2646[17:14:54] <TomTomTo1> then what are you running?
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2647[17:15:07] <martinnn> netgears debian
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2653[17:16:40] <tommyhaw> if someone knows how to help me contact
me in private maybe
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2654[17:16:53] <martinnn> i try to install build-essential but i
get
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2655[17:17:00] <martinnn> The following packages have unmet
dependencies: build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev-sparc64 but it is
not going to be installed
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2656[17:17:07] <martinnn> i tried apt-get install -f
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2657[17:17:14] <martinnn> that didn't fixed it
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2665[17:20:54] <jmcnaught> martinnn: is this a sparc64 computer?
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2667[17:21:16] <martinnn> no only sparc
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2668[17:21:33] <RoyK> is there such a thing as sparc32 anymore?
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2670[17:22:35] <jmcnaught> martinnn: it sounds like you
didn't install standard packages. From what I understand Debian
sparc support is limited as a "port" at this point.
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2671[17:22:49] <martinnn> i got a infrant sparc
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2673[17:23:23] <jmcnaught> a what?
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2674[17:23:29] <martinnn> Infrant IT3107 Sparc
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2675[17:23:51] <jmcnaught> oh, well take a look at that link and
the install manuals for supported systems
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2677[17:24:30] <martinnn> thx
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2678[17:25:12] <jmcnaught> it's quite possible that not all
packages are built for sparc these days, the above info looks like
it's for wheezy
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2689[17:31:26] <thadtheman> xinput misidentifies my keyboard and
and mouse. How can I fix that?
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2692[17:32:19] <thadtheman> Oh and in that installlation my
keybnoard and mouse don't work.
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2694[17:33:20] <danny_> when running a server should I log in as
root or make another account and sudo in it?
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2699[17:34:53] <Fat-Zer> hi there, after yet another update, lvm
initialization started to fail on boot...
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2701[17:35:18] <jmcnaught> danny_: you can also use another
account and use "su -l" to become root. Keep in mind that
the default Debian sshd config does not allow root logins with
password
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2702[17:35:40] <Fat-Zer> the /dev/dm/dm-* device are created, but
/dev/mapper/* and /dev/VG/LV are not
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2704[17:36:27] <danny_> jmcnaught, that means that when I ssh
into the server I can't ssh into the root account?
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2705[17:36:37] <Fat-Zer> /dev/mapper/* symlinks appears after
running "usevadm trigger"
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2706[17:36:50] <Fat-Zer> *udevadm
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2709[17:37:40] <jmcnaught> danny_: it means if you want to
"ssh root@server.example.com" then either root needs SSH
keys set up, or you need to change the config in /etc/sshd_config
(but don't do that, use keys)
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2710[17:37:51] <Fat-Zer> /dev/VG/LV apperas only after running
"vgscan --mknodes"
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2713[17:38:34] <danny_> jmcnaught, Ok, I'll just make
another account and give it sudo rights then
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2714[17:39:12] <Fat-Zer> but systemd still doesn't see those
devices, and the worst it autounmounts them if I try to mount them
manually...
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2715[17:39:17] <danny_> I'm running open media vault over it
anyway so I shouldn't need to ssh super often
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2716[17:39:17] <Fat-Zer> ane ideas?
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2717[17:39:48] <Fat-Zer> *any
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2721[17:40:43] <jmcnaught> danny_: still a good idea to start
using ssh keys if you don't already. For granting sudo access
there is no need to edit the sudoers file on Debian (unles you want
to give limited sudo)... just do "adduser username sudo"
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2722[17:41:04] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: i haven't had a problem
like that before, but it sounds like it could be related to your LVM
metadata.
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2726[17:41:56] <danny_> jmcnaught, I'll look into ssh keys,
also this may be dumb, but is that related to ssl encription? if not
should I also use ssl encription?
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2729[17:42:53] <jmcnaught> danny_: SSH and SSL (also known as
TLS) are different tools, using both is recommended
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2733[17:45:59] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: hmm... don't really see
how this may be caused by mistakes in lvm metadata... any
suggestions? Note that I can do evrything manually besides mounting
fs to a proper location because of systemd "smartness", so
I assumed it's some systemd/udev issue...
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2734[17:47:12] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: can you find log messages
related to this?
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2743[17:52:10] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: I don't see nothing
usefull besides that systemd is unmount the fs: journalctl -xe
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2748[17:56:37] <Fat-Zer> systemctl -a
replaced-url
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2749[17:56:55] <Fat-Zer> ls -l /dev/mapper/ /dev/vg_*/* :
replaced-url
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2753[17:59:46] <Fat-Zer> udevadm info
/dev/mapper/vg_data-downloads:
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2757[18:00:52] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: does vgdisplay show anything
informative for the VG?
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2758[18:00:53] <strk> how do I create a bootable usb disk on
debian jessie ? "dd" failed, and all the tools I find on
the web are not available as packages (usb-creator, unetbootin)
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2759[18:01:32] <awal1> strk, just use cp
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2760[18:01:41] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: sure:
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2761[18:01:43] <jmcnaught> strk:
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2765[18:03:10] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: yeah that all looks normal to
me. it could be that you are not seeing relevant log messages
because the problem is happening in the initrd before logging starts
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2766[18:03:15] <strk> awal1, jmcnaught I used dd(1) and did write
to device (not partition). Just cannot confirm it's working
(will try harder)
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2768[18:04:13] <l0llip0p> strk: dd if=path_to_your_unmouted_usb
of=path_to_debian.iso bs=4M
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2769[18:04:34] <danny_> Is there a good reason not to use ssl
when sshing into my server? It seems to incur a small amount of
bandwidth overhead but is that the only downside?
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2770[18:04:44] <awal1> strk, cp path-to-your-iso-image
/dev/yourusb ; sync
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2772[18:05:05] <awal1> that should work fine; it works well for
me
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2774[18:05:31] <strk> just a note: the .iso is not the one for
debian, but for xubuntu
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2775[18:05:42] <missmbob> l0llip0p: to copy an iso to usb? you
have it backwards
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2777[18:06:05] <missmbob> then ask #ubuntu
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2778[18:06:09] <missmbob> !ubuntu
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2779[18:06:09] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2780[18:06:36] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: ok, I've rebuilt the
initrd and rebooting...
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2781[18:06:39] <l0llip0p> missmbob: lol too tired :D
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2782[18:06:52] <missmbob> l0llip0p: one of the reasons it's
better to use cp
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2784[18:07:37] <strk> still my question was about debian, not
ubuntu. It was "how to create a bootable usb key"
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2785[18:07:53] <TomTomTo1> danny_: ssh is its own crypto
protocol. i don't understand your question.
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2786[18:07:53] <strk> if the answer depends on the .iso input,
then I'll look for more info about that
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2788[18:08:17] <missmbob> strk: it can. cp foo.iso /dev/sdX
won't work for everything. works for debian. don't know
about ubuntu
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2789[18:08:33] <strk> ok, thanks -- guess I'll try to create
a debian one then
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2792[18:10:51] <RoyK> danny_: ssh is "secure shell"
with all the crypto you'll need, it's not telnet. SSL is
rather dead anyway - TLS took over, but still unrelated to ssh
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2801[18:12:29] <missmbob> danny_: tls is used for web/email that
type of encrypting. ssh has it's own encryption. you dont add
tls on top of ssh which sounds like what you're talking about.
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2803[18:12:59] <danny_> missmbob, I thought that was exactly what
you did, I appear to be dumb
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2805[18:13:24] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: nothing happen as expected...
here is the state after boot:s -l /dev/dm-* /dev/mapper/ /dev/vg_*/*
2>&1 | pastebinitttp://paste.debian.net/793567/
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2807[18:13:30] <Fat-Zer> *ls
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2808[18:13:46] <Fat-Zer> journalctl -xe
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2812[18:15:11] <Fat-Zer> vgdisplay
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2814[18:16:20] <Fat-Zer> udevadm info /dev/dm-2 :
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2817[18:16:48] <Fat-Zer> as you see the problem is udev somewhy
doesn't create symlinks...
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2818[18:16:53] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: do you have the
lvm2-lvmetad.socket active? I'm just reading
/usr/share/doc/lvm2/udev_assembly.txt but i'm also on a bus
right now
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2829[18:20:16] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: yes, systemctl status
lvm2-lvmetad.{service,socket} | pastebinit
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2830[18:20:17] <Fat-Zer>
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2853[18:29:05] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: sorry my connection is
getting spotty. best i can recommend is to review the docs in
/usr/share/doc/lvm2. good luck, i might be around later
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2855[18:31:40] <Fat-Zer> jmcnaught: I'll try, but I believe
it will bring nothing due to problem is located somethere around
udev/systemd... thanks for your help anyway...
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2858[18:32:56] <jmcnaught> Fat-Zer: well those docs do give some
info on how udev assembles the PVs into VGs and LVs with lvmetad,
but i think this is happening in the initrd for you
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2875[18:42:13] <Magissia> Hello, is there anything specific to do
to get .service files bundled in the final package when building
packages ?
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2876[18:42:54] <Magissia> The files are nammed
$package.$servicename.service and stored inside debian folder
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2878[18:44:39] <danny_> is keepass a good way to store all of my
sensitive passwords?
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2879[18:45:00] <missmbob> yes
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2880[18:45:17] <danny_> good, I just wanted to be sure before I
put even more of my life into it
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2884[18:47:30] <Magissia> Is there a more suited channel for my
file packaging questions than here ? If so, where ?
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2892[18:49:15] <TomTomTo1> Magissia: #debian-mentors on
irc.debian.org is the usual place for packaging questions.
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2898[18:50:39] <Magissia> TomTomTo1: thanks
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2919[18:57:50] <akaro> hello, i'm trying to make an udev
rule which would disable touchpad on my laptop once mouse is plugged
in, detailed post is on stackexchange:
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2933[19:02:43] <spacebug^> In debian if networkmanager
doesn't get an IP without 45 seconds it timeouts and never
tries again. In Ubuntu, it does. Why is that, and how can I change
that? (If I restart my router, it takes more than 45 seconds. I
should not have to unplug/replug the cable or disconnect/connect the
interface manually for it to work)
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2970[19:19:57] <jim> (and yeah, I searched first, no interesting
results)
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2972[19:20:38] <missmbob> jim: these folks have it in their apt
repository
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2973[19:21:00] <missmbob> jim:
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2975[19:21:09] <missmbob> jim: that git's readme has the
sources.list line and key
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2999[19:30:42] <anondev> hello, how can I completely remove the
default desktop environment for debian?
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3005[19:34:09] <dutchfish> anondev, take a peak at `tasksel
--help` or `tasksel --list-tasks`
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3009[19:35:43] <dutchfish> anondev, starting it in interactive
mode, gives you the ability to select/unselect a task.
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3011[19:36:37] <_rubik> So, whats the best way of installing
leiningen. I've seen a few seperate ways and they all seem
fairly awkward.
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3022[19:40:36] <stephanie92> hey guys ;3 can base64 has an = sign
in it?
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3024[19:41:16] <stephanie92> because i'm trying to decode
base64 and at the very end there are two == signs
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3025[19:41:22] <jelly> stephanie92: yes. echo -n a | base64
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3028[19:41:56] <stephanie92> jelly: Any recommendation on how I
should decode it?
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3031[19:42:07] <dutchfish> _rubik, you could try to package it
for debian, as far as i know, it is not in the repo's (yet)
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3034[19:42:26] <dutchfish> ,version leiningen
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3035[19:42:27] <judd> Package: leiningen on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.7.1-1
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3037[19:43:25] <jelly> stephanie92: it's padding. Are you
reading rfc4648?
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3038[19:43:33] <dutchfish> _rubik, clojure however is
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3039[19:43:42] <stephanie92> jelly: just the wiki
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3041[19:44:23] <jelly> if you're implementing a standard,
reading the actual specification can be useful
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3042[19:44:40] <_rubik> dutchfish: I downloaded the source but
I'm getting 'cannot fstat...'
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3043[19:45:08] <_rubik> dutchfish: I might be going about this
wrong. I've never installed from source .dsc before.
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3044[19:45:43] <stephanie92> jelly: but yeah i did see something
about it being padding which confused me.. which is why i came here
xD
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3045[19:46:38] <dutchfish> _rubik, well an ftstat() error
typically is produced in bad code or missing dependecies, see also
#include <sys/stat.h>
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3046[19:47:01] <dutchfish> _rubik, probably build dependecies
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3048[19:47:22] <dutchfish> s/ftstat()/fstat()
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3049[19:47:34] <_rubik> dutchfish: yeah, I'll go see if/what
I'm missing
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3053[19:49:28] <dutchfish> _rubik, hint libc6-dev
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3063[19:53:09] <dutchfish> _rubik, apt-file is your friend ;)
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3068[19:53:58] <_rubik> dutchfish: That was not it, but I know it
is looking for the orig.tar.gz
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3075[19:54:32] <winsen> hi all
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3077[19:55:10] <winsen> does anyone know alternative graphically
to extundelete? thanks
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3079[19:55:40] <dutchfish> _rubik, mm... just dget -x <link to
debian repo>.dsc | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -uc -ub (inside the
deb dir), to recontruct the deb file | it will barf for missing deps
if any
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3083[19:56:07] <stephanie92> Any recommendations on converting
base64 into a png
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3085[19:57:12] <winsen> any clue guys?
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3086[19:57:18] <stoned> stephanie92, man base64
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3089[19:57:50] <_rubik> dutchfish: I downloaded the .orig....,
ran it again, it created the lein directory. I think now I need to
build the package
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3090[19:58:38] <stoned> stephanie92, base64 -d INPUT HERE >
something.png
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3091[19:58:46] <stephanie92> stoned: thank you.
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3093[19:59:24] <_rubik> dutchfish: Ok running dpkg-buildpackage
-rfakeroot -b spit out the missing dependencies. Is there a shortcut
to install theses without typing them all out?
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3096[20:00:12] <dutchfish> _rubik, copy paste, while removing the
cruft?
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3097[20:00:45] <_rubik> dutchfish: Ehh, thats what I was doing be
hand. I'll live.
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3098[20:00:58] <dutchfish> _rubik, way to go .....
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3104[20:01:12] <_rubik> dutchfish: Wait, I can jsut run -f
install. easy
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3114[20:04:21] <dutchfish> _rubik, or that
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3123[20:09:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I do the dhcp setup from
here:
replaced-url
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3134[20:12:35] <mint_> hi
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3136[20:12:58] <rabies> is there a way to force device
redetection in the linux sata driver?
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3144[20:18:04] <zykotick9> anyone have a suggestion for getting
weather updates from terminal? i've used weather-util from the
repo for years, but now get 404s that say "This service is no
longer available" :( weather-util and weather-util-data
packages need updating/removal.
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3145[20:19:36] <dutchfish> zykotick9, curl wttr.in/your_location
?
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3148[20:20:36] <zykotick9>
replaced-url
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3150[20:20:38] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3154[20:21:46] <zykotick9> dutchfish: OMG! thanks! ascii art +100
bonus points.
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3157[20:22:10] <dutchfish> zykotick9, yw
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3168[20:27:49] <winsen1> hi all
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3169[20:28:41] <zykotick9> dutchfish: from the <i'm sure
you don't really care department> the flashing lighning bolt
works in my urxvt but not in linux console or fb-term. but thanks
again, that a WAY better forcast then i was getting previously.
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3172[20:29:57] <winsen> does anyone know how to get internet
access faster?
replaced-url
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3174[20:30:49] <mtn> winsen: faster? that is a function of your
isp, not debian
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3176[20:31:32] <winsen> I mean either wlan0 or eth0
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3177[20:31:48] <winsen> mtn: is that correct?
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3179[20:32:13] <mtn> winsen: no idea what you are asking. maybe
try a complete sentence and explain what your real question is
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3182[20:33:18] <winsen> mtn: did you take a look on pastbin?
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3184[20:33:40] <mtn> winsen: yes, I did. what about it?
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3185[20:34:08] <debidi> winsen: faster as in earlier in the
system boot process?
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3186[20:34:14] <winsen> mtn: I tried the followin configuration
few weeks a go, I had problems with internet access :
replaced-url
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3190[20:34:37] <mtn> !ask
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3191[20:34:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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3193[20:34:51] <mtn> winsen: you need to ask better questions
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3197[20:35:21] <debidi> winsen: you likely want to use
wpa_supplicat + ifupdown integration
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3203[20:35:49] <debidi> neither config is optimal
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3208[20:38:06] <antipsychiatry> Dr.Jeffrey Schaler: Psychiatry is
a Fraud and Is All About Control
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3214[20:39:02] <debidi> nice, what better place to let the world
know than #debian
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3220[20:39:56] <winsen> debidi: I am using dhcp, so I don't
think so. few weeks ago it takes time to load my system because it
took time to find my firmware iwifi ...(replaced-url
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3223[20:40:37] <debidi> winsen: dhcp over wireless interface?
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3224[20:40:52] <winsen> debidi: right
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3227[20:41:48] <debidi> winsen: ok but you still need to perfm
authentication with some wireless AP right?
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3228[20:42:00] <jmcnaught> winsen: are you using a desktop
environment? why not use NetworkManager?
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3229[20:43:31] <winsen> jmcnaught: yes
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3230[20:43:50] <winsen> debidi: "AP"
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3232[20:44:07] <debidi> access point
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3234[20:44:59] <winsen> debidi: why would I need to perform
with...AP?
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3235[20:45:29] <jmcnaught> winsen: if you want to use
NetworkManager you can make your /etc/network/interfaces file look
like the default (replaced-url
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3241[20:48:25] <winsen> jmcnaught: thank you, but i tried the
first config you sent but it doesn't work correctly. anyway
thanks
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3242[20:48:43] <winsen> anyway thanks guys
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3243[20:48:54] <winsen> I'll try to fix it later
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3288[21:07:08] <spacebug^> In debian if networkmanager
doesn't get an IP without 45 seconds it timeouts and never
tries again. In Ubuntu, it does. Why is that, and how can I change
that? (If I restart my router, it takes more than 45 seconds. I
should not have to unplug/replug the cable or disconnect/connect the
interface manually for it to work)
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3293[21:07:58] <debidi> spacebug^: dpkg -L <networkmanager>
and look for configs, read manual about config files if available,
then perform adjustment
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3294[21:08:39] <spacebug^> debidi: I have tried for a week now :/
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3295[21:08:55] <debidi> spacebug^: maybe it's a dhclient
issue
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3299[21:09:46] <spacebug^> debidi: I don't know. I'm
looking at syslog for both Debian and Ubuntu and I see some
differences but I can't figure out what it does different. Do
not see anything different in the configs
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3301[21:10:54] <spacebug^> debidi: Debian "live-cd" and
Ubuntu "live-cd" so it has nothing to do with my own
setups
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3302[21:11:56] <debidi> spacebug^: see if dhclient.conf has
somethign about timeout, max retries, etc..
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3303[21:13:13] <spacebug^> debidi: It has vaules for both timeout
and retry. None of which it set in Debian. One it set in Ubuntu.
Changing that setting to the same in Debian has no effect at all.
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3304[21:13:20] <debidi> spacebug^: looking at mine, seems there
are, tho commented out
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3305[21:13:30] <spacebug^> yeah
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3306[21:13:48] <debidi> spacebug^: maybe netorkmanager is passing
a different config file to dhclient
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3309[21:14:25] <spacebug^> debidi: donät know where it
should get that from? It's live-cds
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3318[21:17:41] <SerajewelKS> how do i debug cups claiming that a
job completed, but the printer hasn't printed anything?
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3325[21:18:44] <johefernan> Guys
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3331[21:19:09] <johefernan> What about build a DNS Server with
Raspberry?
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3333[21:19:15] <johefernan> Good idea?
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3336[21:19:35] <SerajewelKS> that depends what you want to
accomplish
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3337[21:19:39] <johefernan> Well
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3338[21:19:48] <lord_rob> is OFTC down ?µ
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3339[21:19:59] <jaggz> I can't seem to get my eth0 to handle
network sharing (using networkmanager)
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3340[21:20:02] <mtn> lord_rob: no
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3341[21:20:03] <johefernan> I got a local mail server
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3342[21:20:06] <spacebug^> debidi: from syslog
replaced-url
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3344[21:20:19] <jaggz> system's internet connection is via
wlan0
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3345[21:20:50] <johefernan> spacebug: I wanna set it as ns server
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