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2[00:00:48] <lskifa> Labels? Reserved blocks 5%? Normal usage? Bootable flag on/off?
3[00:01:13] <miskatonic> isn't systemd mandatory on buster?
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5[00:01:33] <sney> lskifa: you can leave all of those options alone. all you need is a partition for / and accept all other defaults
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7[00:01:55] <sney> I see this is on a disk with another distro, if you have a swap partition already they can even use the same one
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11[00:02:17] <Ede|Popede> though i'd have /home at least on another partition. just for the case of a later (tomorrow or next year) reinstall
12[00:02:25] <lskifa> Ok, so ill proceed with 5%, standard usage and off flags
13[00:02:42] <lskifa> I have >4 Gb of RAM, dont need swap
14[00:02:58] <sney> sounds fine to me
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16[00:04:00] <lskifa> So when i press that im done with the partition setup do i finish partitioning and it will install to it?
17[00:04:20] <sney> it'll ask you to confirm the disk changes, and then it'll format your / partition and proceed with the install
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21[00:05:14] <lskifa> Ok, on my way installing the base system
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23[00:05:24] <lskifa> Thanks
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25[00:06:09] <lskifa> Does debian have some maximalist vibes or why is this not described in the manual if it isnt an option during install
26[00:06:33] <velix> Anyone witha an idea? Asterisk package on Buster is coming with an `init.d` file and a `systemd` file. Which one is used?
27[00:06:33] <sney> what does that mean
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29[00:06:58] <trek00> velix: if you use systemd, the service file will be used
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31[00:07:28] <velix> trek00: but the service file seems to have a totally different behaviour. Confusing
32[00:07:29] <lskifa> Why is installing along other linux neither described in the manual nor an install option
33[00:08:03] <sney> probably because it's not a usual use case, and if people want to do it anyway, it's not too hard to figure out
34[00:08:27] <sney> dual booting in general is becoming less common especially with how easy virtualization is now
35[00:08:28] <trek00> velix: usually on systemd it will use init.d scripts only if the service file is missing
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38[00:09:27] <velix> trek00: Here, the systemd service has a normal EXEC command. That's why I am confused.
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40[00:09:43] <lskifa> I didnt distrohop much, ubuntu, mint, kde neon, manjaro, debian, but al of them had the install option as standard, just weird
41[00:09:45] <thejonny> lskifa: if you install debian on another partition, os-prober should find the other linux
42[00:10:03] <velix> trek00: So it actually executes Asterisk, like init.d would (but with different starting parameters).
43[00:10:08] <velix> Perhaps I should contact the maintainer?
44[00:11:32] <sney> there may already be something in the changelog or vcs about that
45[00:11:36] <drocsid> How do I build gcc from the source package? Is it missing files E.G. no configure ? Where is the script that debian uses to build it?
46[00:11:38] <lskifa> Alls well that ends well, ill just lean back and watch some casa de papel while plasma is downloading
47[00:11:43] <drocsid> E.G. replaced-url
48[00:11:44] <jelly> lskifa, did you pick expert install?
49[00:11:45] <lskifa> Thanks for the help all
50[00:11:59] <trek00> velix: may be that init.d was written by debian maintainer, but then asterisks authors wrote a service file for systemd and debian adopted it as is
51[00:12:04] <drocsid> I downloaded the [gcc-9_9.3.0-9.debian.tar.xz]
52[00:12:05] <jelly> that would ask a lot more questions than regular install
53[00:12:06] <lskifa> jelly Nope, just install
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55[00:12:25] <drocsid> I need some symbols from the build that I can't get otherwise...
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60[00:13:13] <sney> drocsid: 'apt source gcc-9' or dget -x path-to-gcc-9.dsc will download everything
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62[00:14:04] <jelly> drocsid, are you aware of dbgsym packages that ship debug symbols?
63[00:14:06] <velix> trek00: They've got their own, way more complicated systemd file in their repository :D Really really confusing. I'll go through the changelog. Perhaps I can find anything.
64[00:14:18] <jelly> !dbgsym
65[00:14:18] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb replaced-url
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71[00:15:36] <jelly> drocsid, what is your actual goal (once you get gcc built, what are you going to DO with it)
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73[00:17:11] <lskifa> Help, after install debian does not appear in my grub
74[00:17:29] <lskifa> But its def written, just checked from manjaro gprated
75[00:18:18] <sney> you will need to get manjaro's grub to add the entry, ask their support for help with how to do that, but it's probably just 'update-grub'
76[00:18:31] <trek00> lskifa: do you have UEFI or legacy bios?
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78[00:19:30] <lskifa> Oh, ill check update grub and idk if its uefi or bios
79[00:19:33] <trek00> !ssb drocsid
80[00:19:34] <drocsid> jelly: I am trying to get a file or build symbol libc++.a
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82[00:19:38] <trek00> !ssb
83[00:19:38] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
84[00:20:26] <lskifa> Yep, it found debian with update-grub, ill check again
85[00:20:44] <drocsid> jelly: is there a package that has that symbol? I didn't find one...
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87[00:21:15] <drocsid> I'm fine if there is. Otherwise I would try to build gcc if possible.
88[00:21:48] <lskifa> Tight, im in debian
89[00:21:52] <lskifa> Thx again!
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93[00:23:36] <drocsid> sney: doing apt source now... Thanks!
94[00:23:43] <trek00> drocsid: may be libstdc++6-8-dbg
95[00:23:44] <sc0utonlinux> Hello, i set a different partition and drive to use as /home folder however now that i've logged in it's just placed the home folder on the first drive
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97[00:23:58] <trek00> drocsid: it should contain debug info
98[00:24:19] <sc0utonlinux> during install.. (do i need to re-install) or can I point to correct destination ?
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102[00:25:34] <drocsid> Specifically trying to rip this file: replaced-url
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104[00:25:37] <trek00> drocsid: the apt source thing i posted to you is overcomplicated if you want only debug symbols
105[00:25:39] <joepublic> it's a matter of 1. make sure the place to be your /home exists and is set up as it needs to be, 2. log in as root, 3. edit /etc/fstab to mount the location as /home
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107[00:26:18] <trek00> drocsid: but may be i don't understood what you really need
108[00:26:22] <joepublic> note that step 2 is as opposed to using su or sudo
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111[00:26:46] <drocsid> trek00: need to try to get debians version of libc++.a . As it suggests I want to build gcc and find that artifact
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113[00:27:38] <trek00> drocsid: may be libstdc++.a? you should install libstdc++-8-dev for debian 10 buster
114[00:27:45] <sc0utonlinux> joepublic: understood thank you .. I read online that i need to make sure the permissions are correct as well so that the user can access.. do I set that during the mount ? or do i need to change the folder permissions as well ?
115[00:28:01] <sc0utonlinux> it's a /home directory from a previous install
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117[00:29:24] <joepublic> that's kind of what I mean in step 1, set it up like you want it, perms and all
118[00:29:26] <drocsid> trek00: ahh nice! you found it! thanks! looks easier than building gcc...
119[00:29:58] <trek00> drocsid: definitely :)
120[00:30:03] <drocsid> trek00: how did you find it? package contents on packages.debian.org?
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122[00:31:13] <trek00> drocsid: i have already installed it and typed: dpkg -S libstdc++.a but packages.debian.org should be the first place when you don't have installed it
123[00:31:30] <thejonny> sc0utonlinux: you have to set them before logging in as your user
124[00:31:40] <thejonny> on the new installation, login as root, and chmod -R youruser:youruser ~youruser
125[00:32:05] <trek00> chown not chmod
126[00:32:07] <trek00> :)
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128[00:32:16] <thejonny> yes
129[00:33:03] <sc0utonlinux> thejonny: great and that does all files and folders recursively yeah ?
130[00:33:23] <thejonny> yes, thats the -R
131[00:33:39] <sc0utonlinux> do i need to chomod 777 as well ?
132[00:33:47] <trek00> sc0utonlinux: no, never :)
133[00:33:55] <sney> !777
134[00:33:56] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
135[00:33:58] <thejonny> NONONO
136[00:34:17] <sc0utonlinux> ok ok! haha i said a bad word
137[00:34:25] <trek00> :)
138[00:34:50] <sc0utonlinux> great guys ill give that a shot thank you already
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143[00:35:42] <thejonny> hmm, 1777 is ok for /tmp
144[00:36:09] <trek00> thejonny: /tmp is where anyone can write
145[00:36:28] <drocsid> trek00: yeah missed that i can search package contents. Anyhow, thanks!
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150[00:37:38] <trek00> thejonny: and the 1 (the sticky bit) will prevents users to rename or delete other users files inside that directory
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152[00:38:09] <lwp> !qotd232
153[00:38:09] <dpkg> <bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
154[00:38:58] <trek00> :D
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156[00:39:13] <thejonny> trek00 yes, and on linux many more funny things
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161[00:40:38] <thejonny> lets call it tmp bit, or has it another use today?
162[00:41:01] <thejonny> !dpkg
163[00:41:01] <dpkg> dpkg is probably the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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165[00:41:37] <thejonny> !dpkgbot
166[00:41:37] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
167[00:42:07] <trek00> thejonny: i think it is the only use on today systems
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170[00:45:25] <jelly> drocsid, /msg judd file libstdc++.a
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172[00:47:28] <jelly> except that particular file name has too many results because of multiarch builds
173[00:47:44] <jelly> or because of crosscompilers
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178[00:51:12] <drocsid> jelly: that's cool someone wrote that bot. Do you think it's published in git somewhere? just curious...
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197[01:00:16] <Thienma> does anyone here use usb speaker? I always lost sound and had to reboot.
198[01:00:39] <Thienma> any recommend would be appreciated
199[01:00:51] <Gigglebyte> Can Debian stable be installed from Live CD?
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201[01:01:30] <lwp> Gigglebyte, yes 2 different installers available on the live systems
202[01:01:56] <lwp> !calamares
203[01:01:56] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See replaced-url
204[01:02:00] <Gigglebyte> lwp> I assume you mean for xfce?
205[01:02:27] <lwp> yes, they are available on the xfce live systme
206[01:02:38] <Gigglebyte> thanks
207[01:03:19] <lwp> Gigglebyte, if your machine will require non-free firmware, you are better off using the non-free version of the live system to install from
208[01:03:32] <Gigglebyte> lwp> Co you mean the Calamares?
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210[01:04:22] <trek00> Thienma: i guest those usb speakers have an integrated audio card, check what it says this command before and after it lose sound: aplay -l
211[01:04:51] <Thienma> aplay: device_list:274: no soundcards found...
212[01:05:02] <lwp> every flavor of the live systems includes both the traditional installer and the new calamares. every flavor comes in a non-free firmware verion, and a version without that firmware
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214[01:05:30] <Thienma> If I reboot the computer, I will see the card. I restart pulseaudio but it wont work.
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217[01:05:49] <trek00> Thienma: may be try to unplug and plug again usb speakers
218[01:05:57] <Gigglebyte> I am trying to help a friend who wants to install linux dual boot, but he doesn't know what he is doing. His 250GB windows SSD has some problems, and he wants to install linux in a 1 TB ssd that is in some type of external caddy device designed to support internal drives.
219[01:06:13] <Thienma> trek00, I did but didn't work.
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221[01:06:25] <Thienma> I tried many things.
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223[01:07:13] <Thienma> we don't have alsa in debian right?
224[01:07:15] <trek00> Thienma: may be lsusb shows your speakers?
225[01:07:40] <Thienma> not showing also lol
226[01:07:41] <trek00> Thienma: alsa comes with linux kernel, thus it's always the base
227[01:07:47] <Thienma> oh
228[01:08:28] <trek00> Thienma: try to open a terminal and write sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
229[01:08:50] <trek00> Thienma: then unplug and plug again your usb speaker to see what it writes in the logs
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231[01:09:28] <lwp> Gigglebyte, also advice for dual booting windows, below from dpkg:
232[01:09:31] <lwp> !fast startup
233[01:09:31] <dpkg> Windows fast startup is enabled by default and will interfere with a dual-boot linux installation, and risks damaging the Windows filesystems during dual boot. Disable it with the instructions here: replaced-url
234[01:09:37] <Thienma> Apr 3 19:06:59 localhost pulseaudio[9760]: E: [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
235[01:09:53] <Thienma> great advice lwp, thanks.
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237[01:10:17] <Thienma> this problem happen also on the stable release. I'm on testing now.
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239[01:10:54] <trek00> Thienma: they are usb or bluetooth speakers?
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243[01:11:26] <Thienma> usb speaker
244[01:11:54] <Thienma> i'm using the usb speaker from logitech Digital
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248[01:13:34] <Thienma> trek00, the error it tried to activate blue tooth?
249[01:14:01] <trek00> Thienma: sorry my knowledge of pulseaudio and dbus is nearly zero, but that error could drive someone to help you
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251[01:14:23] <acf_> hello
252[01:14:40] <Thienma> thank you for trying.
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255[01:14:56] <trek00> Thienma: try: sudo service bluetooth start
256[01:15:02] <joepublic> the #pulseaudio folks are super-helpful, just mentioning that
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258[01:15:30] <Thienma> thanks joe
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260[01:15:58] <acf_> I recently started having a problem where after closing my laptop lit and re-opening it, X just turns into a giant red screen
261[01:16:19] <acf_> I can switch to the VTs ok, but I have to restart X to see anything again there
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263[01:16:38] <acf_> has anyone else seen this? it wasn't happening before and it's a serious problem...
264[01:17:30] <w41t3r4v3n> Evening folks
265[01:18:00] <trek00> Thienma: after starting bluez may be that unplug and plug again usb speaker will lead to something else
266[01:18:29] <trek00> acf_: what graphic card model?
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268[01:19:17] <acf_> intel integrated something
269[01:19:30] <acf_> not sure how to get the exact model
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271[01:20:00] <trek00> acf_: it's ok, their drivers should be good
272[01:20:18] <acf_> yeah I wouldn't dare to use nvidia or something
273[01:20:29] <acf_> not sure even how to debug this tbh
274[01:20:53] <trek00> acf_: may be you can see some errors inside /var/log/syslog?
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277[01:22:22] <acf_> nothing around the time of the incident
278[01:22:28] <acf_> I only see log entries from me killing X
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281[01:23:07] <trek00> acf_: may be are you using compton?
282[01:23:21] <acf_> yes, I do use compton
283[01:23:33] <acf_> I tried killing compton before killing X
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285[01:23:42] <acf_> I assumed that would fix it if it were compton's fault?
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287[01:24:25] <trek00> acf_: i'm trying to get more infoù
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290[01:24:48] <acf_> oh, thanks :)
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295[01:26:28] <sc0utonlinux> Hello I'm back :)
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297[01:26:53] <trek00> acf_: may be you modified your xorg.conf to change accelmethod?
298[01:27:05] <sc0utonlinux> I just wanted to say it's worked I managed to figure it out with your guidance ! Thank you ! my home dir is now on the partition / place it's suposed to be
299[01:27:44] <acf_> I doubt it
300[01:28:00] <acf_> I certainly didn't recently, and I don't remember modifying xorg.conf on this machine ever
301[01:28:42] <acf_> there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d . I assume those are where it would go yeah?
302[01:28:58] <trek00> acf_: well, just as a try, run X without compton and then force the monitor to go off: xset dpms force off
303[01:29:12] <acf_> ok, I'll see :)
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305[01:29:32] <trek00> acf_: then press some key and see if it resume correctly
306[01:29:37] <acf_> I'll have to wait about 20 minutes though because there is something I can't break right now :P
307[01:29:49] <trek00> acf_: ok :)
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310[01:30:25] <acf_> I might upgrade to testing if I can't figure it out
311[01:30:33] <acf_> that's usually what I do when mysterious things break haha
312[01:30:59] <trek00> thejonny: sc0utonlinux thanks to you :)
313[01:31:33] <trek00> joepublic: too :)
314[01:32:03] <joepublic> good show sc0utonlinux
315[01:32:04] <trek00> acf_: well, upgrade to testing could break others things
316[01:32:20] <joepublic> ah yes, but then you could just go to unstable, no?
317[01:32:37] <trek00> :p
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319[01:33:16] <acf_> it could. I guess I could try downgrading X11 too?
320[01:33:24] <acf_> not sure what else to do
321[01:33:35] <trek00> acf_: downgrading to what?
322[01:33:40] <isnice> Hi all. I have 3 nvme drives in my laptop. One is used for debian and the other two are Windows and other data. I would like to configure debian so it doesn't even see the other two drives. Not just power them down but make them not visible to the OS. Any pointers?
323[01:34:08] <acf_> presumably the package I had installed before it broke
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325[01:34:18] <trek00> acf_: i guest all your packages comes from stable? if not may be there are incompatibilities between kernel -> X -> mesa3d
326[01:34:31] <acf_> yeah everything is the latest stable right now
327[01:34:45] <acf_> although I did run an upgrade the other day which installed some updates from stable
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333[01:37:21] <acf_> isnice: maybe replaced-url
334[01:37:23] <trek00> acf_: there are many workarounds for similar issues, but without error messages it's not simple to find the right fix
335[01:37:34] <acf_> yeah that's the problem
336[01:37:38] <acf_> I have no idea where to even start debugging it
337[01:37:52] <acf_> if I could figure out what the problem is I would file a bug
338[01:37:53] <sc0utonlinux> thejonny: thank you :)
339[01:38:09] <dvs> acf_, trek00 means to put it in a pastebin and paste the link here.
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343[01:38:41] <acf_> oh you want a pastebin of the syslog?
344[01:38:54] <acf_> I checked it and I didn't see anything
345[01:39:04] <acf_> it's not like something is crashing
346[01:39:45] <isnice> acf_: thank you. that looks like a possibility.
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348[01:41:04] <trek00> acf_: the error could be something like kernel: [drm:intel_display_resume [i915]] ...
349[01:41:19] <trek00> acf_: anyway error messages are not that common on gpu drivers
350[01:41:28] <acf_> in the dmesg?
351[01:41:40] <trek00> acf_: dmesg or /var/log/syslog
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353[01:42:32] <acf_> replaced-url
354[01:42:41] <acf_> only stuff that matches is from bootup
355[01:43:17] <acf_> oh, I guess that's another thing I could try
356[01:43:20] <acf_> booting an old kernel
357[01:43:45] <trek00> acf_: which kernel versions do you have?
358[01:44:03] <acf_> running 4.19.0-8-amd64
359[01:44:15] <acf_> looks like I also have 4.19.0-6
360[01:44:39] <acf_> I had to prune them due to /boot running out of space
361[01:46:27] <trek00> acf_: a workaround you can try: However, there is one "fix" that I have found. If I have woken the laptop, and I am facing the black screen, I can use an HDMI cable to wake it up. What I have to do is plug an HDMI cable in (one that is connected to a TV, for instance), and just the act of plugging it in will "wake up" the screen. It is very odd but it works.
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363[01:48:39] <acf_> huh. I will see if I can try that
364[01:48:41] <acf_> thanks
365[01:49:03] <acf_> it's actually not that the screen is going to sleep in this case
366[01:49:15] <acf_> I had that problem too, which iirc was solved by disabling light-locker :P
367[01:49:25] <acf_> it's that the screen is turning completely red
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369[01:49:49] <acf_> but it's not just that all the red pixels are on, it's a more mellow red
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372[01:54:17] <acf_> ok here we go
373[01:54:24] <acf_> if I don't come back for a bit it means I'm rebooting my computer :)
374[01:54:57] <usney> How do I show a list of software that is installed from a small third party repo?
375[01:55:19] <usney> I just want to make sure it doesn't have any other extras I don't want.
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379[01:56:44] <joepublic> I think you need a wizard's hat and robe, or either aptitude, both methods frankly being similar
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382[01:57:49] <trek00> :D
383[01:58:40] <trek00> usney: the fastest method that comes to my mind is to disable that repo, then run apt update and then run aptitude to see the list of obsolete/locally created packages
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385[01:59:22] <acf_> yeah that didn't work
386[01:59:26] <acf_> old kernel didn't work either
387[01:59:35] <acf_> happens every time I cloes the lid, 100%
388[01:59:36] <acf_> no suspend
389[01:59:50] <acf_> this basically renders my laptop unusable...
390[01:59:51] <acf_> as a laptop
391[02:00:02] <usney> okay I'll try that trek00
392[02:00:36] <usney> do I need to aptitude?
393[02:00:51] <trek00> acf_: may be it is an old laptop with a defective cable between monitor and graphic card?
394[02:00:53] <usney> I haven't used aptitude in some years
395[02:01:05] <acf_> doubt it's a hardware problem
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397[02:01:16] <acf_> VTs all still work
398[02:01:24] <usney> what commands do I need to issue for that with aptitude? trek00
399[02:01:26] <trek00> usney: you can run it from the command line: aptitude search '~o'
400[02:01:27] <acf_> can switch between VTs and X and the red screen comes / goes
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402[02:01:36] <usney> I normally use apt
403[02:01:43] <acf_> well, guess I'll try upgrading to testing
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405[02:02:00] <usney> okay thank you trek00
406[02:02:45] <trek00> acf_: did you tried without compton running?
407[02:02:49] <acf_> yeah
408[02:03:00] <acf_> tried both without compton and without compton + the old kernel I have
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410[02:03:52] <acf_> pretty surprised this broke in stable
411[02:03:52] <trek00> acf_: :/
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413[02:04:02] <acf_> don't think I've seen that before
414[02:04:09] <trek00> acf_: i don't think it was an update that broken your setup
415[02:04:21] <acf_> hm
416[02:04:27] <acf_> not sure what else it would be though
417[02:04:38] <acf_> I haven't changed anything around X in a long time
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419[02:04:50] <trek00> acf_: it may be something using your graphical acceleration in a way it was not before
420[02:05:11] <acf_> I mean it happens right when I boot before even opening any applications
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422[02:05:25] <acf_> it's very strange
423[02:05:51] <acf_> anyway, I'm pretty unoptimistic about figuring out these strange X display problems
424[02:06:02] <trek00> acf_: yes, but gpu issues are mostly very strange :)
425[02:06:10] <acf_> haha yep
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427[02:06:15] <acf_> I do appreciate all of your help though :)
428[02:06:31] <trek00> acf_: may be you can find someone on #dri-devel
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430[02:06:54] <trek00> acf_: or better on #intel-3d
431[02:07:04] <acf_> hm. I will try it. if I can help someone debug this I would do it
432[02:07:12] <acf_> to get it fixed
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437[02:09:03] <trek00> acf_: before to upgrade/reinstall, try with a live linux
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439[02:09:27] <trek00> acf_: there should be a live linux with debian testing, just to know in advance if it will fix your issue
440[02:09:46] <acf_> oh good idea
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446[02:13:21] <trek00> acf_: just another correction, the channel where to ask for help should be #intel-gfx, not #intel-3d, but try during working-days
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449[02:14:02] <acf_> okay
450[02:14:11] <acf_> hopefully testing solves my problem though
451[02:14:28] <acf_> basically means I can't use my laptop as a laptop until then
452[02:15:28] <trek00> acf_: if you remember when it started, you can check /var/log/dpkg.log* files to see what it was upgraded
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461[02:29:32] <trek00> usney: a better method could be use aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(NAME))' where NAME is the value of the Origin field of the InRelease file of that repository (this method does not require to disable repository and it should reports more accurate list of packages)
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465[02:33:11] <sponix> Going more STABLE and less outside stuff ... Think this will make my quality of life better :)
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467[02:34:28] <annadane> i've become less militant of using outside stuff but i still think it's like, anything i want to do is probably in the repo
468[02:34:44] <annadane> i'll add 3rd party repos very conditionally
469[02:35:01] <dvs> *gasp*
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473[02:37:21] <trek00> usney: sorry, i found the ultimate commandline that will shows anything installed that does not come from debian: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?not(?origin(Debian)))'
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475[02:37:45] <annadane> those using sid i think will have pretty well everything
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477[02:39:03] <annadane> but yeah, stable++ for most people
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486[02:43:12] <annadane> (please don't use sid unless you know what you're doing; disclaimer)
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489[02:44:05] <trek00> and use stable if you want to focus on things other than fixing your system :)
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495[02:46:42] <usney> thank you trek00
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497[02:47:00] <Unit193> trek00: Re: aptitude. I've used apt-forktracer for that.
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499[02:47:37] <usney> I didn't try either method yet because I was cheating my used cpu I got ebay today. Was cleaning off the old thermal paste.
500[02:48:02] <usney> cheating/cleaning* correction
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504[02:48:57] <trek00> :)
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507[02:49:32] <usney> I am not on debian trek00 I am on a debian testing based distro. But I did just install debian testing on a friends laptop yesterday.
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510[02:49:59] <usney> I'll try the first method first since that is the case
511[02:50:11] <usney> then I can reenable it back once I know.
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514[02:50:51] <trek00> usney: if you know the origin name of your main repository, the last command should be more accurate (no false positives)
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520[02:53:12] <usney> okay I know what that is thank you trek00
521[02:53:25] <usney> I will reeable the repo and update and try that
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527[02:55:56] <InvisibleRasta> guys is it raccomandable to setup a wordpress server with the package in the debian repository?
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530[02:56:37] <usney> It will work InvisibleRasta
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533[02:56:56] <usney> What edition of Debian are you using?
534[02:57:01] <InvisibleRasta> buster
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536[02:57:02] <usney> stable or testing?
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538[02:57:09] <InvisibleRasta> usney: stable
539[02:57:13] <usney> cool
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543[02:58:24] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: if you don't need a specific version the debian package should be always the first try :)
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545[02:58:43] <usney> I am not sure how up to date the package is. But from what I remember Debian stable only patches critical bugs and security fixes because it helps with stability than to update to the newer version.
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547[02:59:08] <usney> trek00 is that how it is still setup on debian? ^^
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557[03:00:17] <trek00> usney: yes only bugfixes should come on newer versions of stable release, but there are some notable exceptions like firefox
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562[03:01:06] <usney> cool trek00
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570[03:01:59] <InvisibleRasta> trek00: from my understangins i can install with debian repo and then at login it prompts you to upgrade to latestt
571[03:02:28] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i really don't know wordpress
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579[03:04:43] <usney> It works trek00
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581[03:05:02] <usney> This is very useful
582[03:05:11] <usney> The list is very small so that is good to know
583[03:05:18] <trek00> usney: good :)
584[03:05:44] <usney> I'll have to save that as a script
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586[03:05:52] <usney> that is hard to remember
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600[03:09:25] <usney> I will be back later I have to reboot
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771[05:18:02] <acf_> trek00: I figured it out
772[05:18:15] <trek00> acf_: what it was?
773[05:18:18] <acf_> there is a tool called "slock" that somehow got installed on my system
774[05:18:24] <acf_> and now starts automatically at login
775[05:18:39] <acf_> how this happened I have no idea. I think it might have to do with the "surf" browser, which is made by the same group
776[05:18:53] <acf_> anyway, what it does it to turn the screen red until you enter your password
777[05:18:56] <acf_> no prompts or anything
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779[05:19:27] <trek00> acf_: good you find it!
780[05:19:29] <acf_> a couple things
781[05:19:37] <acf_> why on debian when you install a package does it make it start automatically?
782[05:19:41] <acf_> seems like a bad behaviour
783[05:19:48] <acf_> also
784[05:19:50] <acf_> replaced-url
785[05:19:51] <mindlessmiss> hey I'm running debian Linux Thinkcentre-ethernet 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1 (2020-01-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux, I have a few different desktop environments installed, mate, openbox, fluxbox xfce, lxqt and a couple others.. I usally use mate because that's what I am sorta familar with... but anyway the fonts on the screen used to look fine, no materr which DE I chose... but now all the text on the screen looks jagged and weird. It looks fine
786[05:19:52] <mindlessmiss> up until I login.. The text all looks fine up uintil after I login to any DE. It used to look fine but this has just happened recently.. I have installed a few things but not sure what I've changed to make the text look sdo bad
787[05:19:58] <acf_> why is "suckless-tools" a recommended package from surf
788[05:20:13] <mindlessmiss> any ideas how I might be able to fix it
789[05:20:14] <acf_> the only thing that relates it is that it's by the same vendor
790[05:20:19] <trek00> acf_: it depends, many people expect the packages to be usable just after install
791[05:20:22] <acf_> that would be like if thunderbird were a recommended package for firefox
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794[05:20:50] <acf_> so if you install surf with apt-get install you get this stupid locker progam roped in
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796[05:21:35] <trek00> acf_: usually i disable automatic install of recommended packages, there are too many
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801[05:22:09] <acf_> yeah maybe I will have to do that
802[05:22:17] <acf_> this entire situation is stupid
803[05:22:47] <trek00> acf_: usually i create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf adding: APT::Install-Recommends "false";
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805[05:23:24] <trek00> acf_: it depends by the package maintainer, sometimes they trows too many unnecessary dependencies
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807[05:24:04] <acf_> tbh in this case it looks like the authors promoting / tricking you to install their unrelated products
808[05:25:04] <trek00> mindlessmiss: may be anti-aliasing setting? mate comes with a configuration tool?
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811[05:26:02] <trek00> acf_: may be, this is a voluntary project and everyone contributes how they like
812[05:26:41] <trek00> acf_: may be you can submit a bugreport asking if they downgrade suckless-tools form recommended to suggested
813[05:26:47] <acf_> yeah, I am probably being too harsh
814[05:27:04] <acf_> I am just annoyed at spending so much time to fix this
815[05:27:11] <trek00> acf_: i've already submitted bugreports like that, sometimes they are accepted sometimes not
816[05:27:21] <trek00> acf_: yeah i can understard
817[05:27:52] <acf_> perhaps I will make one just explaining what happened to me and suggest that it be changed to suggested as a solution for others
818[05:28:10] <acf_> thank you for your help earlier btw
819[05:28:23] <trek00> acf_: yes, explaining the specific issue can help maintainer to better understand
820[05:28:27] <acf_> and in general I love the debian project, and really appreciate all the work you all do
821[05:28:45] <acf_> it powers pretty much all the computing I do so
822[05:28:49] <trek00> acf_: i'm happy you fixed that issue :)
823[05:28:57] <acf_> :)
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826[05:30:04] <mindlessmiss> trek00, II tried fiddling with the "rendering" in mate's appearence settingsa
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831[05:31:13] <mindlessmiss> trek00, it has settings for sub-pixel smoothing etc. But no mattter which setting I choose there it still looks awful. It's like this is any DE I use. Wass fine yetserday
832[05:31:20] <mindlessmiss> login screen looks ok still
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834[05:31:44] <trek00> mindlessmiss: i think login screen is not influenced by mate settings
835[05:32:31] <mindlessmiss> trek00, I'm using lightdm I think. Openbox/xcfe etc are all looking terrible
836[05:33:12] <trek00> mindlessmiss: on the rendering panel all fonts are weird?
837[05:33:44] <trek00> mindlessmiss: openbox usually needs some manual configuration for the fonts, xfce should be fine
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849[05:44:04] <openbsdtai123> APT_GET CITADEL. Hi, to install a Email server, which software is fast, light and gives email service ? I know CITADEL, are there alternative to citadel?
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853[05:45:48] <trek00> openbsdtai123: there are many: postfix exim dma ssmtp
854[05:46:39] <trek00> openbsdtai123: the virtual package mail-transport-agent list them all
855[05:46:39] <mindlessmiss> trek00, s://i.paste.pics/8JCEA.png none of these settings make them clear like they used to be
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858[05:47:10] <annadane> out of interest, what are you using? lxqt?
859[05:47:17] <mindlessmiss> scuse my absolute mess of a setup
860[05:47:18] <annadane> or mate
861[05:47:30] <annadane> looks closer to mate
862[05:47:31] <mindlessmiss> mate atm.
863[05:47:56] <trek00> mindlessmiss: in theory subpixel rendering + slight hintig should be the best, but you really need to know the subpixel order of your monitor, usually it is RGB
864[05:48:02] <openbsdtai123> I dont mean postfix, but really a server that give you an email like CITADEL (see citadel, .... username@myip address)
865[05:48:08] <mindlessmiss> the fonts are terrible any DE I use
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867[05:49:07] <trek00> openbsdtai123: i don't know citadel, may be you want a webmail? or a full groupware app?
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873[05:50:49] <annadane> "applications - places - system" ought to have tipped me off
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875[05:50:57] <annadane> for shame
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877[05:51:49] <openbsdtai123> yeah , a webmail hoster like CITADEL... there is more daemon like that into debian? I installed citadel but it takes a lot of CPU.
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879[05:52:29] <sney> you keep saying citadel as if it will suddenly become familiar
880[05:52:39] <sney> why don't you describe what you want to do?
881[05:52:49] <openbsdtai123> citadel exists since ages, it was always there in debian
882[05:53:09] <trek00> openbsdtai123: there are many like roundcube horde squirrel.. see replaced-url
883[05:53:12] <annadane> even so, describe your goal, not everyone is familiar with it
884[05:53:22] <annadane> "i am looking for features a b c and it must not include d"
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886[05:54:14] <sney> 'apt show citadel' lists more features than just mail. calendar, message boards, etc
887[05:54:50] <openbsdtai123> ahh, I just would like to send an email from my IP and to offer an email server like Webmail.. (e.g. microsoft exchange, or the squirrel citadel :()
888[05:55:25] <openbsdtai123> thank you guys, I appreciate your posts.
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890[05:56:00] <Unit193> When you say "My IP", do you mean your home ISP?
891[05:56:23] <sney> so you probably want a MTA like postfix, a pop3/imap server like dovecot, and some web app to log in to it?
892[05:56:40] <trek00> mindlessmiss: may be you need to dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig-config fontconfig
893[05:56:52] <sney> Unit193 has a point, a lot of home ISPs don't allow running email servers, since they are often compromised and used for spam
894[05:57:06] <trek00> mindlessmiss: but it is unlikely if your lightdm is running fine
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904[06:05:35] <Unit193> sney: That was half the point, the other being that a lot of resident IPs are listed in spamhaus.
905[06:05:49] <sney> that too.
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916[06:15:51] <acf_> mindlessmiss: perhaps you could create a new user account?
917[06:16:02] <acf_> to check if it's a user-specific configuration option causing the problem
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1005[07:10:26] <chet> There is some kind of terrible bug in strech where launching something from kde quick launch freezes everything rock solid. Running the nouveau driver and many times I launch different programs from the plasma quick launch it freezes the system solid.
1006[07:10:57] <chet> cant drop to tty2 or anything
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1008[07:11:11] <acf_> can you still ping it over the network?
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1010[07:12:08] <chet> I would have to break out the laptop when it does it again, what would I do then?
1011[07:13:05] <chet> strech is still supported right? wish I knew how to bug track better
1012[07:13:20] <acf_> if it pings you could try sshing into it
1013[07:13:32] <chet> yeah
1014[07:13:38] <acf_> you could also preemptively enable magic sysrq for next time it happens
1015[07:14:08] <acf_> perhaps it could give you some traces or something
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1017[07:15:09] <chet> so that some key combination?
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1019[07:15:18] <chet> just searching it now
1020[07:15:39] <acf_> alt + print screen
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1022[07:15:54] <acf_> + some key
1023[07:16:10] <acf_> I used to use it a lot to force oomkiller to run when thrashing swap :P
1024[07:16:34] <acf_> it has to be enabled by writing '1' to /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
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1027[07:17:52] <chet> I dont have to do this remotely right. I can try it from the frozen machine next time?? I have the crtl alt backspace thing set but it ignored that as well
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1030[07:19:21] <acf_> yeah magic sysrq has to be done from the machine's keyboard
1031[07:19:43] <acf_> you could try 'k' - kill all processes on the current VT
1032[07:20:13] <acf_> 'l' - show a stack backtrace for all cpu
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1034[07:20:28] <Dark0ne> anyone can give me a help with hydra?
1035[07:20:46] <acf_> 't' - output list of current tasks
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1037[07:20:53] <acf_> probably some more useful ones too
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1039[07:21:55] <chet> acf_: thanks, I'll check into it, nice info. I have never had a machine lock up like from just normal usage before...
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1041[07:22:50] <chet> havent done anything to make it act up... hope it isnt hardware ... can you even buy anything right now? :-(
1042[07:23:11] <acf_> the internet is always open ;)
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1047[07:26:17] <cerbere> offsec
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1074[08:00:28] <maxrazer> My debian sid just crashed. I'm trying to figure out what to look for in the var/log/syslog if that is the right file.
1075[08:00:46] <maxrazer> I really don't know what to look for. It seems to contain only entries from today too.
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1077[08:01:46] <maxrazer> If I knew where the new boot up started I could look right before that.
1078[08:03:32] <hket> maxrazer: how does the "crash" look like?
1079[08:03:48] <hket> It's pretty vague to say something...
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1082[08:04:49] <maxrazer> The computer stopped responding totally and I couldn't switch to another virtual terminal. So, I just restarted the computer with the button.
1083[08:05:20] <annadane> !debian-next
1084[08:05:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1085[08:05:40] <maxrazer> I just tried to join debian-next but it said invite only.
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1088[08:06:02] <annadane> read closer
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1091[08:06:51] <maxrazer> oh, I'm on freenode.
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1098[08:10:55] <jim> annadane, I think you have to reg your nick on oftc to join #debian-next
1099[08:11:45] <annadane> what network, jim?
1100[08:11:53] <annadane> oh i can't read
1101[08:11:56] <annadane> meh
1102[08:12:33] <jim> heh, dont' worry about it...
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1106[08:14:03] <annadane> he was joining the wrong chan anyway
1107[08:14:11] <annadane> or rather, right chan on the wrong network
1108[08:14:19] <greatadvice> annadane, it's important for a such member as you to underline your status in the debian community. You're the best Debian member but you can be even better if you join irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000
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1110[08:14:35] <annadane> wow, great advice
1111[08:14:37] <annadane> i think i will
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1114[08:15:45] <binaryhermit> you missed a </sarcasm> annadane
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1116[08:15:59] <Dark0ne> hmmm
1117[08:16:16] <Dark0ne> what makes that special?
1118[08:16:21] <annadane> it's a sad day when you need to specify that you're being sarcastic
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1122[08:21:09] <scentless> Hi, i have a debian computer that does NAT for my network, the internet speed connection is about 600mbps up 400mbps down, but on the clients i only get 300mbps up 300mbps down, what could case this, any idea?
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1128[08:30:03] <ratrace> scentless: between which endpoints and how did you measure it?
1129[08:30:18] <scentless> speetdtest-cli
1130[08:30:21] <scentless> -t
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1132[08:31:10] <ratrace> okay so no disk involved which would be the bottleneck? anyway, your internet connection speed is "guaranteed" (if at all) only between your router and your ISP. once the traffic enters your ISP network, all bets are off
1133[08:31:40] <ratrace> especially these days when there's more strain due to covid and networks are forced to apply some QoS pressure
1134[08:32:06] <scentless> yea i guess so
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1136[08:32:49] <ratrace> also the kind of traffic matters and speedtest(-cli) is a lousy tool
1137[08:33:56] <scentless> i can copy files between server and clients at ~1gbps
1138[08:34:01] <scentless> 800-900mbps
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1142[08:35:59] <watom> you could try nftables instead of iptables. it should be faster
1143[08:36:20] <ratrace> not at this scale it won't
1144[08:37:00] <ratrace> (and also ip/nf tables "speed" is about PPS not BPS)
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1146[08:38:32] <felipe> Hello there. I'm trying to install a package that needs 32 and 64 bits libraries. but when i installed the video drivers i wasn't using multarch and now the program doesn't run due to lack of 32 bits files. Then I will have to reinstall the video drivers. My doubts are how should I delete the current ones, should I use dpkgf purge or apt-get purge? What if I just reinstalled the drivers. I am trying to install the steam client and I have a gtx 1060 with 44
1147[08:38:32] <felipe> 0 drivers. Could someone help me with that, already grateful.
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1152[08:41:28] <ratrace> felipe: if you're using only software from official Debian repositories, it should all be automatic, but you need to enable 32-bit with dpkg --add-architecture i386 followed by apt update and then try to install the 32-bit package
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1161[08:47:07] <annadane> yeah you shouldn't need to remove anything
1162[08:47:09] <annadane> afaik
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1259[10:15:08] <obiwahn> Is there some sort of guide to get latest amdgpu and mesa for debian.
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1291[10:33:28] <sc0utonlinux> can anyone tell me what exactly "ssh server" option does during debian install .. openssh-server doesn't seem to be installed
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1297[10:36:07] <obiwahn> no_
1298[10:36:32] <obiwahn> `ps aux | grep sshd` nothing?
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1301[10:37:48] <sc0utonlinux> obiwahn: 4469 0.0 0.0 6076 888 pts/1 S+ 10:36 0:00 grep sshd
1302[10:38:15] <obiwahn> yeah it is installed and running
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1304[10:38:47] <sc0utonlinux> is that openssh-server ? or a debian own service
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1308[10:39:38] <sc0utonlinux> could you point me in the right direction to inform myself a bit better .. i feel like I am not fully comprehending.. the guides on google all talk about apot-get openssh-server
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1311[10:39:54] <obiwahn> as root or with sudo: `netstat -nlpt | grep sshd`
1312[10:39:59] <obiwahn> shows you the port
1313[10:40:07] <sc0utonlinux> and when i try and ssh into the ip it's refusing the connection
1314[10:40:31] <obiwahn> systemctl status sshd.service - is what you will usually use
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1316[10:40:58] <obiwahn> are you using a the ipv6 or v4
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1318[10:41:25] <sc0utonlinux> i was just using the hostname which resolves to ipv6
1319[10:41:28] <watom> it's not running guys
1320[10:41:33] <watom> the grep output have no ssh service
1321[10:41:34] <obiwahn> the v4 might be shared if you are in shitty dualstack setup of your isp
1322[10:41:55] <sc0utonlinux> and status sshd.service "ssh.service" could not be found
1323[10:41:59] <watom> debian doesn't install ssh by default
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1325[10:42:04] <watom> ssh server*
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1328[10:42:33] <obiwahn> oh lol he is not grpping the grep away:)
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1330[10:43:07] <obiwahn> can you confirm with `systemctl status sshd.service`
1331[10:43:07] <watom> install task-ssh-server
1332[10:43:14] <watom> or openssh-server idk
1333[10:43:51] <sc0utonlinux> Unit sshd.service could not be found.
1334[10:44:07] <sc0utonlinux> well im willing to install something .. but I clicked "ssh server" during debian install
1335[10:44:17] <watom> bug
1336[10:44:20] <sc0utonlinux> so i am wondering what that did .. i don't want redundancy
1337[10:44:24] <obiwahn> just install it
1338[10:44:32] <obiwahn> don't worry
1339[10:44:34] <watom> the installer use task-ssh-server
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1343[10:45:19] <watom> you can even "tasksel install ssh-server"
1344[10:45:33] <watom> to use the exactly same way of the installer
1345[10:45:36] <sc0utonlinux> task-ssh-server is better than openssh-server ?
1346[10:46:00] <watom> probably the best one is the tasksel version
1347[10:46:05] <obiwahn> probably the same, if the fist is some sort of meta-package
1348[10:46:13] <watom> if you want the "default" installer way
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1350[10:46:29] <obiwahn> but you can check: apt-cache show <pkg>
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1352[10:48:04] <sc0utonlinux> thank you both .. and watom I learned a new command "taskel" which is great :D
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1356[10:50:03] <obiwahn> even if i was too busy to look at the ouput you posted you should really not forget the other commands
1357[10:50:27] <obiwahn> they will help you in the future much more than tasksel
1358[10:50:46] <obiwahn> journalctl is another candidate
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1360[10:51:34] <sc0utonlinux> obiwahn: yep i've written them all in my linux note book just now :)
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1362[10:52:03] <sc0utonlinux> obiwahn: nice journalctl -- also a candidate to read up more on tonight :)
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1368[10:57:02] <sc0utonlinux> it's working now so great :) - much apreciated
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1443[11:58:33] <openbsdtai123> Is Xcas (maths) available on all Debians? (x11 Xcas math calculator)
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1445[12:00:39] <zatumil> ,v xcas
1446[12:00:40] <judd> Package: xcas on amd64 -- buster: 1.4.9.69+dfsg1-2; bullseye: 1.5.0.87+dfsg1-4; sid: 1.5.0.87+dfsg1-4
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1449[12:02:06] <sc0utonlinux> I get this wierd display issue when i ctrl + alt + F2
1450[12:02:08] <sc0utonlinux> replaced-url
1451[12:02:46] <sc0utonlinux> any pointers to try and resolve anyone?
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1463[12:12:07] <openbsdtai123> thank you... Glad that Xcas for mathematicians is still today in Linux debian
1464[12:12:33] <thejonny> sc0utonlinux: what kind of graphics card do you have?
1465[12:13:08] <sc0utonlinux> it's a T480 thinkpad so it's just the intel
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1471[12:17:19] <miskatonic> hat is xcas?
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1612[13:39:37] <fonky> hey all
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1622[13:45:42] <fonky> question, any alternative to gloobus and sushi and not for gnome?
1623[13:46:17] <fonky> replaced-url
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1673[14:29:50] <budlight> hello
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1684[14:34:36] <mi11k1> hey guys, could somebody pls give me some insight. Ive takin a stab here and there trying to virtualize MacOS, from my experience with Macs directly, I love them, but as time has gone by I hate the company and everything related is a pain in the ass. Obviously im on buster, and I also have a Proxmox hypervysor running. Is this a VM of a recent version of MacOS possible without currrently owning one? I read a lot, and I can see wasting
1685[14:34:37] <mi11k1> a huge ammount of time trying to make this work considering the size of their images, etc. Ill accept the answer "not worth it, if thats the case. thanks
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1689[14:35:39] <towo`> mi11k1, 2 things, 1st, proxmox is not debian, 2nd virtualizing macos is only allowed on apple hardware
1690[14:35:54] <mi11k1> i have debian and i have proxmox
1691[14:36:10] <mi11k1> and on proxmox i have 20 debians
1692[14:36:25] <towo`> doesn't matter
1693[14:36:29] <mi11k1> im just saying im running that hypervysor
1694[14:36:47] <mi11k1> its debian repos, and i use my knowledge from debian to make it go
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1696[14:37:18] <mi11k1> my question is really what i asked, i hate this arguement everytime. i get it.
1697[14:38:15] <fonky> just use darling instead of mac os virtualisation
1698[14:38:17] <fonky> :)
1699[14:38:24] <fonky> less spyware
1700[14:38:25] <mi11k1> really?
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1702[14:38:42] <mi11k1> ive never come across that, or paid attention
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1704[14:39:15] <fonky> replaced-url
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1706[14:39:22] <mi11k1> thanks fonky, i have a good feeling you just gave me what i was looking for
1707[14:39:58] <mi11k1> fonky, its like a WINE?
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1711[14:40:39] <fonky> not similar but i think it does the trick, the project should be online for about 10 years now, i figure it is quite mature now
1712[14:40:46] <fonky> although have not tried it
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1718[14:42:13] <mi11k1> fonky, problem is theyre working with something thats impossible. it would be hard to makje that work. btw, anybody need an iphone?
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1720[14:42:58] <mi11k1> just kidding theres a bunch of ppl that like shiny things that wanna trade a usable phone.
1721[14:43:16] <fonky> phones need a dialer
1722[14:43:17] <mi11k1> thanks though, we can stop talking about forbidden stuff now.
1723[14:43:17] <fonky> :)
1724[14:43:24] <fonky> the rest is coffe cup holders
1725[14:43:26] <miskatonic> iphone is just spyware
1726[14:43:43] <mi11k1> no doubt.
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1728[14:43:57] <mi11k1> my samsung went for a swim, and i dont have any $
1729[14:44:11] <fonky> my samsung actually swims
1730[14:44:15] <fonky> :)
1731[14:44:32] <mi11k1> was give an iphone, and it so ridic. i remember their slogan "theres an app for that"
1732[14:44:34] <fonky> like a submarine
1733[14:44:40] <mi11k1> yah 1, and its $15
1734[14:44:54] <fonky> the first one is the best of them all
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1736[14:45:00] <fonky> best case
1737[14:45:08] <mi11k1> mine does too, but its cracked to shit and doesnt hold the wateer out
1738[14:45:23] <mi11k1> supposed to be good for 10M or something
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1741[14:46:11] <mi11k1> i i think its ok though, cause it still turns on, just no screen. i have one of those dex adapters and you can use it.
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1743[14:46:36] <miskatonic> Drake Bell must be a Samsung user, then. Up Periscope!
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1748[14:49:03] <mi11k1> but, that assistant it has is a pain. i havent tried rooting it to get rid of it. I have like 3 phones that need screens. The S8 took more abuse than i could have imagined. Ppl would shown me a cracked screen, mine had huge chunks out of it, I had to use a dremmel to get the the simcard out.
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1767[15:02:39] <f8e4> my sshd on server constantly throws me out during launch break :( all stuff need reopen, how solve it?
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1773[15:05:17] <Allain> just type "prevent ssh to disconnect" on google. I found the solution there
1774[15:05:31] <Allain> replaced-url
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1777[15:06:37] <mi11k1> f8e4, i use autossh for homeassistant
1778[15:07:02] <mi11k1> im on the shottiest wifi ever and its been prettu good so far
1779[15:07:40] <mi11k1> its not even my wifi actually. ssh used to hang on me in 15 seconds
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1784[15:10:21] <mi11k1> f8e4, what are you sshing? i found that some VPS disconnect you when theres resource problems on the other end
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1794[15:12:33] <mi11k1> like the vps's that are $10 a year. It works perfectly for a VPN server, but it wont do yum updates or hold ssh connections, even when you try those tricks that Allain pointed you too, which are usually all u need.
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1797[15:14:41] <Bushmaster> hi folks, apology if that question is irrelevant, I need to know whether Libreelec can be installed in old laptop or desktop machine as OS?
1798[15:14:51] <mi11k1> yes
1799[15:15:06] <mi11k1> its easier to just install debian and then install kodi
1800[15:15:41] <mi11k1> i mean, i stopped messing with libre and those other distros long ago
1801[15:16:26] <mi11k1> and of course it depends how old. oldest i trieed was centrino thinkpad
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1803[15:17:19] <mi11k1> xp machine. and i remember it worked ok. 1 gig of ram at the most.
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1809[15:20:24] <jelly> Bushmaster, best see if they have a channel and ask there. /msg alis list libreelec
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1850[15:45:02] <f8e4> what is the correct way to restart a sshdaemon eg? sudo service, sudo systemctl?
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1854[15:48:38] <wMw> I use service sshd restart
1855[15:49:13] <f8e4> no what, which when
1856[15:49:59] <ratrace> f8e4: systemctl
1857[15:50:06] <ratrace> "service" just wraps systemctl
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1864[15:56:44] <usr01234321eq111> a time go i was trying to install and run "vms" (or containers) in lxc
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1875[16:04:04] <usr01234321eq111> Even I have fear of install ketchup, since I crashed my previous install
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1878[16:06:09] <irclinad> how to recreate entire /boot properly?
1879[16:06:40] <irclinad> I have to repair a broken system, were basically /boot was gone. The FS uses raid, luks and LVM.
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1882[16:07:26] <irclinad> when I mounted it all from livecd and chrooted into the system, and upgrade-initramfs + grub-install, it created not working initramfs that didn't had tools to open encryptions.
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1886[16:09:53] <ratrace> irclinad: did you forget to mount /boot? is it there but you just have to mount it?
1887[16:10:20] <usr01234321eq111> or see if not already mounted
1888[16:10:46] <ratrace> irclinad: also, when working with chroots make sure the luks container mapper name is the SAME as the one listed in (chrooted) /etc/crypttab
1889[16:10:48] <irclinad> ratrace: /boot was mounted. It did created /boot/initramfs.. I think it improperly created initramfs because it doesn't detect it needs encryption, when the luks was opened outside (and then I chrooted with already mounted)
1890[16:10:57] <irclinad> so maybe the chrooted old system doesnt know it needs crypto
1891[16:11:03] <ratrace> otherwise initramfs/grub won't be able to find recognize that's rootfs
1892[16:11:09] <irclinad> yeah exactly.
1893[16:11:33] <irclinad> but how to "map" them? should I again cryptsetup luksOpen the same? but then... I can not mount it, it IS mounted from outside
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1895[16:11:48] <ratrace> irclinad: otherwise you just reinstall the kernel, thta triggers initramfs-update, once you're sure /boot is there and what it's supposed to be (mountpoint or whtever)
1896[16:12:02] <ratrace> irclinad: yes, you cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sd... mapper_name
1897[16:12:18] <irclinad> so lukeOpen it, but do NOT mount it again? that will be sufficient?
1898[16:12:27] <ratrace> for chroot you have to unlock the containers, mount the fs inside, mount devfs, procfs sysfs
1899[16:12:38] <ratrace> irclinad: to chroot you need to mount it
1900[16:13:19] <irclinad> ok so outside: luksOpen and mount, then chroot into the mount, inside do again luksOpen (but do not mount once more) and then reinstall kernel image, grub-install and update-initramfs?
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1902[16:13:54] <ratrace> no no. you luksOpen and mount ONCE, from the "host" side, before chroot. Just make sure the mapper name given to luksOpen is the same as the one in (chroot)/etc/crypttab
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1904[16:14:58] <ratrace> irclinad: and before chroot you need to bind mount /dev, /sys and /proc, into chroot dir, so the devices and mappers, are available in the chroot
1905[16:15:12] <technobi> Hello All, how would I turn off the monitor on inactivity in tty (console) ... setterm -powerdown 1 ... didnt' help ... I'm on Acer Aspire, Debian 10. Thank You in advance
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1907[16:16:26] <ratrace> technobi: use consoleblank kernel command line option. replaced-url
1908[16:16:54] <technobi> ... O.K. .. it works sorry about the question... just when I sent that and waited for reply the screen turned off... thank You
1909[16:17:37] <ratrace> technobi: still, use consoleblank for automagic
1910[16:17:51] <technobi> ratrace: O.K. I'll look to it.
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1914[16:20:43] <technobi> BTW: Is there a way to use 256 colors in pure TTY (I can achieve that using yaft or another frame-buffer terminal)?
1915[16:21:07] <technobi> ... e.g. fbterm
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1937[16:39:03] <klys> technobi, only with KD_GRAPHICS active. replaced-url
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1939[16:40:13] <klys> technobi, when you switch back to KD_TEXT all the imagery disappears.
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1947[16:48:29] <technobi> klys: O.K. thank You I thought that... there are still limits on TTY's like max font size & 16 colors... unsure whether is by design or rather small amount of updates. Thank You
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1955[16:52:51] <klys> technobi, somewhere around debian sarge, the console-tools devs tried to address this, and the debian switched over to using kbd instead. we still have a console-data package, however. if you were to get that development version of console-tools working, it would have to be on a rather (very?) old system, and you would be pretty lucky to compile it and to have a .bdf font that worked.
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1960[16:56:59] <irclinad> ratrace: do you maybe also know, when I am in initramfs console and I fixed things (mounted/opened FSes), but root= (argument to linux) how to continue normal booting
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1963[16:59:33] <klys> irclinad, did it not detect your root filesystem, and that's why you have (initramfs) ? if so, what was your root= parameter? is it missing from /dev ?
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1965[17:00:30] <klys> irclinad, you should be able to retrieve it with: cat /proc/cmdline
1966[17:01:00] <irclinad> klys: that is a thing I run into while experimenting. to enter initramfs at all, with empty grub, I do prefix=(hd0,msdos1) linux /vmlinuz... initramfs=/initramsf... boot . so root is empty.
1967[17:01:48] <klys> irclinad, can you reboot and specify root=/dev/sda1 ?
1968[17:02:02] <irclinad> I sitll didn't understood from online docs what root= should be for example... if my system is lvm on encrypted raid, then it needs something like root=/dev/mapper/vg_mycomp_lv_root ? and if no lvm then /dev/mapper/md0_crypto ?
1969[17:02:28] <irclinad> /dev/sda1 is where /boot is
1970[17:02:33] <klys> no experience here with booting an encrypted system
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1972[17:03:14] <irclinad> so root= the argument to linux commandline, should be... the name of device where (after initramfs completes) there will be the root of filesystem, right?
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1974[17:03:22] <klys> yes
1975[17:04:27] <irclinad> is there a script on linux to properly chroot into /target , such as remount there proc, dev and so on?
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1977[17:05:22] <ratrace> irclinad: iirc you just 'exit'
1978[17:05:43] <irclinad> ratrace: then it again complains root is unset and again opens initramfs console
1979[17:06:07] <klys> you can't boot linux with an unset root=
1980[17:06:15] <ratrace> irclinad: then you must set proper root= via grub edit action
1981[17:06:25] <irclinad> can you set root to other value while in initramfs
1982[17:06:39] <klys> no, it has to be set at boot.
1983[17:07:01] <ratrace> I'm not sure. "in initramfs" is just busybox shell, and kernel command line options are set once during invocation. not sure you can modify /proc/cmdline
1984[17:07:07] <irclinad> ah. well it would be more comfortable that way. I guess you can write it down and reboot
1985[17:07:34] <ratrace> during *kernel invocation/loading
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1987[17:08:02] <ratrace> irclinad: you can know it in advance, and set via grub
1988[17:08:36] <ratrace> I mean, it's predictable, if you know your rootfs device. in your case /dev/mapper/something if that was LUKS'd rootfs
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1990[17:09:02] <ratrace> the "something" was whatever you set.
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2003[17:18:50] <irclinad> indeed, that's doable
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2006[17:21:39] <ice9> sometimes I can ssh to the server but most of the time icannot, no firewall enabled, any idea?
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2009[17:22:52] <ratrace> ice9: start by defining "cannot". hostname not known, no route, no ping, disconnects randomly, bad auth, ....
2010[17:23:19] <ice9> ratrace, just say "Connection closed"
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2013[17:24:02] <ratrace> ice9: consult the server side logs when that happens (journalctl -eu ssh.service), or try running your ssh client with -v
2014[17:24:36] <ice9> ratrace, ah, no systemd
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2018[17:26:52] <ratrace> ice9: sorry to hear that.
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2020[17:27:24] <ratrace> then you can try to consult /var/log/auth.log or whatever your syslog is configured to do with auth facility
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2047[17:43:15] <b1ack0p> hi
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2050[17:43:40] <b1ack0p> how can i zip files in multiple folders automatically by a script?
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2056[17:46:57] <hata> you can setup the automation with a cron job
2057[17:47:39] <b1ack0p> i wish i knew how to do that :p
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2059[17:47:50] <hata> run crontab -e
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2062[17:49:05] <ice999> i can telnet to port 22 100% of the time but can only connect to ssh 1 time out of 10, any idea? when the trouble happens, there is nothing in the auth.log
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2071[17:50:50] <hata> whats the output if you do verbose for the ssh command
2072[17:51:06] <b1ack0p> hata: i am not advanced linux user..
2073[17:51:13] <b1ack0p> i dont know how to do many things
2074[17:51:28] <b1ack0p> struggling on basic things still
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2076[17:51:37] <hata> the cron file should have examples and an explanation
2077[17:51:50] <hata> and you can $ man cron
2078[17:51:54] <dob1> cronguru site
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2080[17:52:06] <hata> I was gonna suggest that too
2081[17:52:22] <hata> cronguru helps you with setting the timing
2082[17:52:23] <dob1> there are so many examples there
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2111[18:07:32] <hata> ice999 what's the error when you try to ssh
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2116[18:09:43] <ratrace> ice999: _telnet_ to port 22?
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2119[18:10:26] <ratrace> ice999: and fix your connection I already told you what to do but you disappeared. maybe that lousy connection is what's wrong with your ssh...
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2148[18:23:48] <Akuw> hi, where there is a change in time, for example, UTC time will be -1 this night
2149[18:23:56] <Akuw> all is updated using NTP?
2150[18:24:23] <Akuw> this use tzdata and ntp right?
2151[18:24:30] <Akuw> but it is automated process?
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2153[18:29:21] <Akuw> when that change i need to restart some service? or it is automated?
2154[18:29:39] <ratrace> Akuw: ntp is only adjusting UTC. local time is calculated from tz when presenting time to a process or user.
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2157[18:30:15] <Akuw> then no need to do anything
2158[18:30:18] <Akuw> ?
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2161[18:30:29] <Akuw> update any dzdata package or something
2162[18:30:30] <Akuw> ?
2163[18:30:39] <ratrace> services don't need restart in this case. only if UTC changes drastically and the service can't tolerate that. Eg. MTAs.
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2166[18:30:54] <ratrace> Akuw: no need to do anything. Keep your system up to date as usual.
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2168[18:32:06] <Akuw> in insolated system that only have access to ntp is the same?
2169[18:32:33] <ratrace> Akuw: ntp has nothing to do with local time, tz, or DST changes.
2170[18:32:58] <Akuw> ii tzdata 2019a-1 all time zone and daylight-saving time data
2171[18:33:02] <ratrace> UTC does not change by DST. It's monotonic. _local_ time depends on TZ and changes in relation to UTC.
2172[18:33:32] <ratrace> ,v tzdata
2173[18:33:33] <judd> Package: tzdata on amd64 -- jessie: 2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2019c-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2019c-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2019c-0+deb9u1; buster: 2019c-0+deb10u1; buster-updates: 2019c-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 2019c-3; sid: 2019c-3
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2176[18:34:07] <ratrace> Akuw: that's not debian, is it?
2177[18:34:11] <Akuw> yes
2178[18:34:28] <Akuw> jessie 8.10
2179[18:34:32] <ratrace> then you didn't run any updates at all, in long time?
2180[18:34:51] <Akuw> no, because it is insolated host
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2182[18:35:10] <Akuw> the last was 2019a-1
2183[18:35:55] <chet> so at 23:10 I posted about a system lock up and then another user had the same issue at 00:00
2184[18:36:12] <ratrace> then I don't know how your local TZ will behave tonight. DST transition chnages are reflected in updates
2185[18:36:16] <ratrace> Akuw: ^
2186[18:36:37] <ratrace> Akuw: which TZ is that?
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2195[18:41:07] <ice999> hata there is no error message on the client just "connection reset" or "connection closed"
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2198[18:41:43] <Akuw> America/Santiago
2199[18:41:54] <Akuw> ratrace: America/Santiago
2200[18:42:02] <hata> if you try ssh -v that might reveal more
2201[18:42:21] <hata> also I'd test your connection, try running mtr to the servers ip and see if there's packet loss
2202[18:43:37] <hata> or it might be -vv
2203[18:44:46] <ratrace> Akuw: chile? Okay, I don't see anything related to chile in 2019b and 2019c via tzdata changelog, so unless something's missing, it should be okay.
2204[18:45:23] <ratrace> ice999: for the THIRD time, use ssh -v on the client side, and consult server-side logs, /var/log/auth.log (or whatever your syslog is configured for auth facility).
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2208[18:46:08] <ice999> ratrace, i get connection closed with -v, no other errors! and that's the server side replaced-url
2209[18:46:13] <ratrace> Akuw: Brazil is permanently on standard time, canceled DST. Do you know if Chile did or will do the same?
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2215[18:46:57] <Akuw> ok
2216[18:46:58] <ratrace> ice999: ask in #ubuntu please
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2220[18:49:13] <Akuw> retrace: please send me link of changelog
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2222[18:50:06] <ratrace> Akuw: apt-get changelog tzdata from an up to date system
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2224[18:50:29] <ratrace> Akuw: also: replaced-url
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2226[18:52:36] <Akuw> no changes
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2291[19:29:04] <brokencycle> Hi! I am having trouble with an old machine with a Xeon E5540 cpu. After some random time,
2292[19:29:28] <Akuw> retrace: how can i check the content of that tzdata package? it is binary?
2293[19:29:35] <brokencycle> the screen goes blank, and no keypress on the USB keyboard seems to re-activate it.
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2295[19:29:50] <semeion> Hi guys, i am helping the fight against the COVID-19 using boinc: replaced-url
2296[19:29:58] <brokencycle> However, the system seems to be working otherwise, as the disks are still flickering.
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2299[19:30:12] <ratrace> Akuw: it's a .deb containing files under /usr/share/zoneinfo . What are you looking for?
2300[19:30:42] <brokencycle> That would be a Buster install image, an USB keyboard, and a VGA monitor. Any ideas, please?
2301[19:30:43] <Akuw> just to see what is inside
2302[19:31:02] <ratrace> Akuw: the files under /usr/share/zoneinfo/
2303[19:31:06] <Akuw> data/usr/share/zoneinfo/Chile
2304[19:31:09] <joepublic> hi semeion, I am helping the fight against spam by telling you to go away
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2306[19:31:51] <Akuw> "±8°^[Ï\@^\<91>^Z°^]¯>@^^pü°^_<8f> @ ^?^C0!o^B@"9û0#Nä@$^YÝ0%8^@À%ù¿0&òøÀ'Ù¡0(÷ÄÀ)"
2307[19:31:58] <Akuw> long line with that
2308[19:32:21] <Akuw> its a binary file
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2311[19:33:04] <ratrace> Akuw: check the tzfile(5) manpage, the tz files are binary, yes
2312[19:33:11] <Akuw> ok
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2326[19:41:50] <brokencycle> somehow, the machine was installed as i686, but I can't find the original install image
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2363[20:02:54] <lupulo> is there any channel about machine learning?
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2372[20:06:24] <annadane> lupulo, ##machinelearning-general?
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2374[20:06:36] <lupulo> annadane, ok i find it
2375[20:06:39] <annadane> also just plain ##machinelearning
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2377[20:07:20] <ChmEarl> lupulo, #tensorflow
2378[20:07:21] <ratrace> also /msg alis help
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2380[20:07:58] <annadane> what's the oftc equivalent for alis, if anyone knows?
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2388[20:13:32] <ratrace> annadane: sorry, I don't know
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2434[20:35:53] <f8e4> how to not keep my shell timeout? i adjusted: ClientAliveCountMax 1440 ClientAliveInterval 60 KeepAlive on, what ELSE?
2435[20:36:07] <f8e4> of sshd_config, and restarted server
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2456[20:43:48] <kali_> hello
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2475[20:54:23] <valdyn> f8e4: are you thinking that debian ssh times out by default and you need to change that?
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2480[20:55:46] <f8e4> yes i adjusted the three vars on server, thats all i found in the tuts, what did i miss?
2481[20:56:03] <valdyn> f8e4: no, debian ssh has no timeout at all by default
2482[20:57:13] <valdyn> f8e4: see here: replaced-url
2483[20:57:34] <valdyn> f8e4: i have not had that problem myself, ever
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2485[20:58:09] <lwp> f8e4, I also put in my client-side ssh_config these 2 items: "ServerAliveInterval 240" and "ServerAliveCountMax 45"
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2487[20:58:58] <f8e4> sshd_config serverside should suffice, if the clientside debian goes sleep then there aint no responses anyway from the ssh client side thus no config except on server.
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2491[20:59:15] <f8e4> my setting above is up to 1DAY, yet i get it after 1h approx
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2493[20:59:33] <CashDash123> Is there a place I can offtopic chat
2494[20:59:40] <annadane> #debian-offtopic
2495[20:59:43] <annadane> !chat
2496[20:59:43] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at ##replaced-url
2497[20:59:46] <CashDash123> it thanks
2498[20:59:51] <CashDash123> *thanks
2499[21:00:15] <f8e4> any setting i missed beside suggested above?
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2502[21:00:34] <valdyn> f8e4: does your isp change the ip after 24 hours?
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2504[21:01:12] <valdyn> f8e4: I dont think you missed anything
2505[21:01:53] <valdyn> f8e4: but maybe you can change the reconnect after 24 hours in your router
2506[21:02:09] <isnice> f8e4: it's possible that your firewall has a timeout period that's kicking in. I had an issue with a Sonicwall in one of our offices knocking all the devs connections off after an hour. Changing SSH timeout settings did nothing. I had to increase the timeout in the firewall.
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2508[21:02:53] <f8e4> its debian10 client + serverside on digitalocean
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2514[21:04:32] <f8e4> "You haven't applied any Firewalls
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2516[21:05:09] <f8e4> well will try to read more
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2531[21:12:21] <lwp> f8e4, apparently you know too much to investigate my advice, but I would just point out that ServerAliveInterval causes the client to send occasional null packets to the server, to keep the connection alive. but just ignore me ...
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2536[21:15:24] <f8e4> lwp: thank you for you adivce, with the client asleep 6h noone to send
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2542[21:16:45] <lwp> I guess if the client goes to sleep and sends nothing not even keep alives, the server might feel justified to disconnect.
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2545[21:17:39] <f8e4> lwp no since it will try Exactly the count * interval[s] =~ 24h
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2629[22:01:47] <BenLubar> is there an easy way to package things like prometheus-redis-exporter that don't currently have deb distributions for local use?
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2632[22:03:09] <sney> BenLubar: checkinstall can make some rudimentary debian packages, there's also stow if you just want to have it installed and contained but it doesn't necessarily need a package
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2634[22:03:37] <BenLubar> sney: thanks
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2654[22:12:14] <brokencycle> Does anyone know how I can figure out which disk behind a PERC controller is which disk inside the operating system?
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2656[22:12:41] <brokencycle> Is there any way to get at the disk label or RAID name, as seen by the controller?
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2661[22:14:50] <sney> brokencycle: there are linux utilities for probing those boards, it takes a lot of tinkering to get them to work on modern OSes but I've been able to do it every time I've tried
2662[22:15:09] <sponix> brokencycle: this command does things for me: sudo fdisk -l
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2665[22:15:53] <sney> sponix: fdisk only shows the block devices that the kernel can see, and a PERC is a hardware RAID controller that keeps those details to itself unless it's running in HBA mode.
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2672[22:17:23] <brokencycle> sponix: nope, this command lists all disks as identical, but doesn't tell me which one represents which RAID
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2674[22:17:52] <brokencycle> But since the RAIDS are not all the same, I need to know which sd* is which RAID
2675[22:18:06] <sponix> sney: forgot that. Been a LONG time since I've worked with such. I just use ZFS for everything
2676[22:18:29] <brokencycle> I don't have that luxury
2677[22:18:54] <sney> brokencycle: the utility is called perccli and it looks like they actually have an updated one now, so that is your best bet: replaced-url
2678[22:19:05] <sney> last time I did this I was fighting with a release from 2011 lol
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2690[22:21:26] <Allainn> Hi guys, i installed open-vm-tools(-desktop) Copying/Paste text work fine but not copy/paste (Paste is grayed out) of files from the host to the Debian VM (VmWare Workstation 15.2). Copy/Paste from Gnome to Win. X is also ok. It is Buster/64bits/Gnome installed from scratch,purged and reinstalled. Any idea ? I followed those instructions but no success replaced-url
2691[22:21:26] <Allainn> /issues/319#issuecomment-460459522
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2696[22:23:06] <sney> Allainn: gnome uses wayland by default in buster and there are known copy/paste issues there
2697[22:23:46] <Allainn> Il need to wait then Sney. Thanks
2698[22:24:14] <sney> well, you can also use gnome in xorg, that will bypass the wayland issue
2699[22:24:53] <Allainn> How do i do that ?
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2701[22:25:26] <sney> there should be an option for it in the gdm3 login menu.
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2705[22:26:09] <Allainn> I need to search for it. I must logout first ?
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2707[22:26:55] <sney> yes.
2708[22:27:26] <lwp> it's a little gear thing by the login button, IIRC
2709[22:29:24] <Allainn> what do you mean lwp ?
2710[22:30:04] <soft_cement> it looks like a gear
2711[22:30:07] <sney> you know when there's a settings button and it looks like ⚙️
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2715[22:30:50] <Allainn> I am in Gnome on Xorg, Paste is grayed out I will reboot and mayb reinstall desktop's of vm toold?
2716[22:30:57] <Allainn> I found it
2717[22:31:10] <Allainn> *tool
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2721[22:34:06] <Akuw_> to install a new tzdata package i need only use dpkg -i tzdata_2019a-1.all ?
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2726[22:35:56] <Akuw_> there is a old version already installed
2727[22:36:17] <jhutchins> Akuw_: apt upgrade should pick up a new version.
2728[22:36:31] <Akuw_> the host its no connected to insternet
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2730[22:36:47] <jhutchins> Then yes, but .all looks unlikely.
2731[22:36:50] <Akuw_> so, i have to copy package and use dpkg -i
2732[22:37:17] <jhutchins> Akuw_: Assuming it's a .deb package, yes. If it's just a file, copying it to the correct location should suffice.
2733[22:38:10] <brokencycle> sney: Thank you! I've made a mistake and just had someone pull the drives. Putting them back in results in "Foreign", now I can't access them. But I'll certainly look into this tool.
2734[22:38:19] <Akuw_> its a debian package
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2744[22:39:47] <Akuw_> jhutchins: then i can just use dpkg althought there is another old version right?
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2746[22:40:05] <Akuw_> the last version will update old version right?
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2749[22:40:51] <jhutchins> Akuw_: You can only use dpkg to install a .deb package. Yes, if you do dpkg -i whatever.deb, it should update the package if it's newer.
2750[22:41:05] <jhutchins> ,v tzdata
2751[22:41:06] <judd> Package: tzdata on amd64 -- jessie: 2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2019c-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2019c-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2019c-0+deb9u1; buster: 2019c-0+deb10u1; buster-updates: 2019c-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 2019c-3; sid: 2019c-3
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2767[22:47:50] <nvz> thats not accurate
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2769[22:48:15] <nvz> dpkg can do things other than install and other things can install a package.. gdebi, apt, etc..
2770[22:48:15] <dpkg> nvz: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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2802[22:59:12] <wikan> hi :)
2803[22:59:23] <werona> Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská
2804[22:59:24] <werona> 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,
2805[22:59:24] <werona> Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská
2806[22:59:25] <werona> 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,Hostivařská 482/50,
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2808[22:59:36] <annadane> i concur
2809[22:59:50] <wikan> what was that O.o
2810[22:59:59] <annadane> no idea
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2812[23:00:25] <wikan> came here with a little not debian related question
2813[23:00:30] <sney> looks like it's a place in the czech republic
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2815[23:01:01] <technobi> ,v fbterm
2816[23:01:02] <judd> Package: fbterm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7-2; bullseye: 1.7-4+b1; buster: 1.7-4+b1; sid: 1.7-4+b1; stretch: 1.7-4+b1
2817[23:01:26] <wikan> probably there is no such channel
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2819[23:02:22] <wikan> I just think about writing my own tiled window manager. And because there is no such think like "windows" so I got some idea
2820[23:02:41] <wikan> dunno if this idea is smart or not and this is what I wanna ask you
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2822[23:03:53] <wikan> so, I think about Server doing all logic staff and application working as "root window"
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2824[23:04:28] <wikan> but application in my idea is Web Browser Engine
2825[23:05:10] <wikan> app embed web browser inside and runs maxinized
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2827[23:05:39] <wikan> website inside communicate with Server and draw frames and update bar
2828[23:05:41] <wikan> what do you think?
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2831[23:06:24] <wikan> it is very easy to modify desktop. Everybody can do that. Easy plugins development, easy theming... A lot of props
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2842[23:11:19] <technobi> I really like fluxbox, btw.
2843[23:11:19] <annadane> i feel like dwm does something similar
2844[23:11:22] <annadane> i'm not really sure
2845[23:11:31] <annadane> fluxbox annoys me because you can't move windows on the taskbar
2846[23:11:51] <wikan> here is my idea: replaced-url
2847[23:11:59] <annadane> i guess one could run it with one where you can like tint2 or something
2848[23:12:16] <annadane> ooh pretty.
2849[23:12:19] <wikan> Server just puts windows into X1,Y1,X2,Y2 positions
2850[23:12:26] <wikan> Website draws rest
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2854[23:14:50] <lupulo> i have sent two email ITA, for orphaned packages...
2855[23:15:02] <lupulo> what i should read to package?
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2858[23:16:05] <annadane> hmm
2859[23:16:06] <annadane> !nmg
2860[23:16:06] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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2866[23:17:48] <Gerowen> Anybody have suggestions of how to do an automatic shutdown? I have a Debian server and a Raspbian PiHole running on the same UPS. The UPS is connected to the Debian box and when the battery drops to a given percentage, it automatically shuts down. However, I can, as far as I know, only have one system connected to the UPS at a time. Is there some way I could have the Debian box "notify" the PiHole that it needs to perform a graceful shutdown?
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2869[23:18:57] <McMurdo> Howdy - I'm in XFCE how do I lock everything the computer while leaving everything running?
2870[23:19:13] <McMurdo> lock the computer*
2871[23:19:31] <sney> McMurdo: ctrl-alt-l does that in some DEs
2872[23:19:41] <lupulo> annadane, years ago, it exists a newbie tutor, doesn't it?
2873[23:19:42] <annadane> lupulo, may also want to ask in #debian-mentors on the OFTC network
2874[23:19:54] <trek00> wikan: it remembers me gtk broadway html5 backend and vm via javascript like replaced-url
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2876[23:20:00] <ratrace> Gerowen: ssh pihole "poweroff"
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2881[23:20:40] <ratrace> Gerowen: could execute that from scripted handlers of something like apcupsd
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2883[23:21:57] <Gerowen> ratrace: I was thinking I could add something to the doshutdown file. I've already modified it to print status and alert messages into the in-game chat for my Minecraft server.
2884[23:22:14] <Gerowen> I've never scripted ssh logins though so I'll have to check that out, thanks for the suggestion, :-)
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2890[23:23:09] <McMurdo> sney: that worked, thanks!
2891[23:23:17] <sney> np
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2898[23:26:51] <annadane> lupulo, replaced-url
2899[23:26:57] <annadane> might be more clear and less verbose
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2901[23:27:24] <annadane> i guess you make a package and then get a sponsor to actually upload it
2902[23:27:30] <annadane> i don't know much about it, though
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2905[23:27:46] <sney> !nmg
2906[23:27:46] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
2907[23:27:53] <annadane> the lintian package can also help with properly packaging something
2908[23:27:57] <annadane> i posted that already :P
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2910[23:28:04] <sney> welp
2911[23:28:07] <sney> it's how I learned
2912[23:28:11] <sney> everything is there.
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2915[23:29:23] <annadane> yeah, like, do actually read :P
2916[23:29:32] <annadane> verbose =/= bad
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2922[23:32:58] <McMurdo> I want to securely delete a file (so it cannot be found again), any tips?
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2924[23:33:15] <Allainn> Sney thank you for your help but no way for me with open vm tools and Buster
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2932[23:35:48] <trek00> McMurdo: see shred
2933[23:35:49] <lupulo> annadane, Has sido expulsado de #debian-mentors por ChanServ (Invite only channel)
2934[23:36:12] <sney> lupulo: that means you didn't read that it's on irc.oftc.net which is a different irc network
2935[23:37:02] <lupulo> thanks sney , sure it is a small bastion
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2943[23:43:47] <McMurdo> trek00: thanks. Looks like you've got to be really careful putting in the right name or you could delete something you wanted to keep :)
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2945[23:44:37] <trek00> McMurdo: yeah there is no recovery plan :)
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2949[23:47:40] <Gerowen> ratrace: Ah ok. I'd never messed with SSH keys. Now I know, I generate an SSH key with the machine I will be logging in with, then from that same machine, ssh-copy-id the generated key to the target server.
2950[23:50:12] <Gerowen> ratrace: One other question, are the apcupsd scripts executed by root? If that's the case I'd need to generate the SSH key for the root account, correct?
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2954[23:50:59] <Gerowen> ratrace: I guess I could have the apcupsd script run something like "sudo -u normaluser 'ssh pi@pihole reboot'".
2955[23:51:13] <Gerowen> Or shutdown -h now, but you get the idea.
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2959[23:53:08] <lupulo> sney, i have found the channel
2960[23:53:14] <lupulo> annadane, thanks
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