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7[00:02:36] <me7zg3r> wait a second
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9[00:02:51] <me7zg3r> are u trying to apply discrete gpu
nomenclature to cpu gpu?
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15[00:04:43] <me7zg3r> here you go
replaced-url
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22[00:11:15] <ewew> just trying to figure out if debian has the
firmware for this cpu with apu.
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41[00:22:19] <me7zg3r> should be true as 2 years passed and
this one is popular
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53[00:39:25] <ewew> In which channel should it try to ask about
this ?
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55[00:42:12] <SlidingHorn> ewew, this (or the official channel
on OFTC) would be the right place. I just don't think anyone
who knows for sure is online right now. Give it some time :)
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58[00:43:16] <ewew> ok.
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59[00:44:12] <ewew> what does the IGP stand for in the name of
graphic card ? Can it be refered to apu ?
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60[00:44:29] <ewew> like this Radeon R5/R7 IGP 200 series
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62[00:45:46] <SlidingHorn> I would assume integrated graphics
processor...
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178[02:02:47] <VjdfMQ> Hey all
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179[02:03:02] <VjdfMQ> Could anyone help with fixing a touchpad
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181[02:04:20] <VjdfMQ> It just stopped working. I've
rebooted. The same. Tried to restart psmouse driver via modprobe -r
psmouse; modprobe psmouse; and now only touchpad works. Touchball ,
Left, Right, Middle buttons don't work
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214[02:20:15] <SlidingHorn> VjdfMQ, aren't you using
ubuntu?
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215[02:21:39] <VjdfMQ> SlidingHorn: Might be
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216[02:21:49] <VjdfMQ> Regards who's asking
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218[02:22:18] <bazhang> lsb_release -a in terminal VjdfMQ
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219[02:22:23] <VjdfMQ> #ubuntu doesn't want to help mb
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220[02:22:42] <SlidingHorn> VjdfMQ, I ask because you were in
#ubuntu asking and stating that you were running ubuntu 16.04, and
it's not supported here
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222[02:22:45] <VjdfMQ>
replaced-url
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223[02:23:13] <VjdfMQ> Uh. You mean debian and ubuntu don't
have the issues ?
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225[02:23:20] <bazhang> nope
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497[03:07:24] <me7zg3r> finally i'm back here
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498[03:07:27] <me7zg3r> greetings, anyone
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513[03:15:26] <qifan> hey
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514[03:15:28] <qifan> =)
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515[03:15:31] <qifan>
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516[03:15:41] <qifan> what might be the cause of this ?
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518[03:16:39] <SlidingHorn> qifan, first, you need to fix that
broken package (libkactivities6)...
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519[03:16:42] <SlidingHorn> ,v wgetpaste
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520[03:16:43] <judd> No package named 'wgetpaste' was
found in amd64.
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522[03:16:57] <annadane> apt install --reinstall libkactivities6
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523[03:16:59] <SlidingHorn> and apparently wgetpaste isn't
in the repositories
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524[03:17:04] <qifan> ty
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525[03:17:37] <qifan> worked like a charm :)
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527[03:18:00] <qifan> btw im trying to install bfgminer
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528[03:18:09] <qifan> from the source but im getting nuts
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529[03:18:19] <qifan> any clever solution?
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530[03:18:35] <qifan> i downloaded the .deb file, but !! missing
dependencies :(
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533[03:19:08] <annadane> well, don't install .deb files
from the internet
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534[03:19:11] <annadane> !don't break debian
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535[03:19:11] <dpkg> it has been said that dont break debian is
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536[03:19:18] <aaron83> hi there team!
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537[03:19:38] <qifan> can i had some more source.list
repositories ? to my sources.list that way i would get the bfgminer
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538[03:19:38] <qifan> :P
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539[03:19:39] <annadane>
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541[03:19:55] <annadane> no, see "don't break
debian", don't go adding other repositories
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543[03:20:00] <SlidingHorn> qifan, what version of debian areyou
running?
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544[03:20:08] <qifan> windows version
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545[03:20:11] <qifan> console mode only
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546[03:20:11] <annadane> sigh
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547[03:20:17] <qifan> what ?
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548[03:20:19] <annadane> nothing
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549[03:20:25] <qifan> :P
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550[03:20:26] <SlidingHorn> xD annadane
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551[03:20:39] <annadane> it's... not really supported here
as we don't know what changes are in the windows version
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552[03:20:41] <aaron83> can anyone explain why my USB port is
working like usb2 with my usb 3 external hdd?
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553[03:20:43] <annadane> !based on debian
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554[03:20:43] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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556[03:21:04] <aaron83> lsusb shows the usb3 driver working over
the port
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557[03:21:11] <qifan> l8r
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558[03:21:12] <qifan> :)
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560[03:21:19] <qifan> thank you for your kindense
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583[03:36:24] <idustyb> Oh hey @annadane
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586[03:37:56] <me7zg3r> Oh, hi Mark
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588[03:40:10] <jaggz> okay, before I mess something up.. I want
to install an experimental repo version of Gimp (2.10) in my jessie
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589[03:40:15] <jaggz>
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590[03:40:37] <jaggz> How do I accomplish this properly? :)
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591[03:41:36] <me7zg3r> you should add the specific repo to you
sources.list and afterwards apt install it, I believe
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592[03:41:41] <me7zg3r> or manually download-install
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593[03:42:25] <idustyb> Pretty sure you're looking at APT
pinning?
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594[03:42:33] <idustyb> @jaggz
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596[03:42:55] <idustyb> @jaggz: Consider this documentation;
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597[03:43:16] <jaggz> not sure :) I guess I can try.. I just
don't want to have gimp require the installation of
experimental versions of libc and all sorts of stuff
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598[03:43:59] <jaggz> thanks.. I'll give it a shot
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603[03:46:49] <jaggz> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.27) but
2.24-11+deb9u3 is to be installed
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604[03:46:51] <jaggz> yeah.. sigh.
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606[03:47:29] <idustyb> That's using the pinning? What
command did you use to execute that install?
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607[03:47:32] <idustyb> @jaggz
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608[03:47:50] <jaggz> apt-get -t experimental install gimp
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610[03:48:09] <jaggz> (after adding the repo and apt-get
update'ing)
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611[03:48:26] <jaggz> didn't do any pinning
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612[03:48:50] <annadane> !tell me7zg3r about frankendebian
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613[03:49:07] <idustyb> @jaggz: Yeah. The documentation
isn't great when it then comes to that perspective. I would
have thought that some dependencies are resolved as necessary also
following that experimental repo.
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615[03:49:17] <idustyb> Did you try to manually install that
libc6 also with -t experimental?
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616[03:49:21] <me7zg3r> I agree on that, annadane
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617[03:49:35] <jaggz> idustyb, there's a whole list.. was
looking into how it's handled
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618[03:49:43] <annadane> jaggz,
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619[03:49:54] <annadane> i'm sure it's available in
eleven billion formats anyway
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620[03:50:02] <annadane> flatpak, whatever
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621[03:50:11] <jaggz>
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622[03:50:32] <annadane> you can generally compile it from
source but from experimental i probably still wouldn't
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623[03:50:36] <jaggz> annadane, they're new to flatpak, and
seem to only provide their stable version in it.
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624[03:50:46] <annadane> me7zg3r, in future please be careful
about giving advice
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625[03:50:54] <annadane> mixing experimental + stable/oldstable
is a big no-no
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627[03:51:09] <jaggz> the source had a bunch of other lib
dependencies.. i started downloading those and trying to build..
getting to be a mess (since none of those are deb packages), so I
figured I'd look directly at deb experimental
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629[03:51:15] <me7zg3r> aight, understood
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630[03:51:27] <clime> hello, I cannot boot after upgrade from
Debian 7 to Debian 8.
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631[03:51:33] <me7zg3r> I'm feeling silly, I've made
debian unbootable 7 times in the past 2 days
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632[03:51:52] <idustyb> @jaggz: Yeah. In the end, it's one
of those tradeoffs. I probably should have been clear about that.
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633[03:52:00] <clime> I am getting grub rescue> console and
the error is "File not found". Can anyone given
instructions how this could be fixed?
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635[03:52:08] <jaggz> checkinstall make install is handy :)
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636[03:52:10] <annadane> did you install anything else from
experimental in the meantime
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638[03:52:22] <tw> If you run the following command, then
alternate pressing alt-ctrl-1, alt-ctrl-2, does it lock up?
qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 -cpu Nehalem,check -smp
cores=2 -vga std -global VGA.vgamem_mb=128 -display sdl
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639[03:52:28] <jaggz> no.. I'm clean
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640[03:52:32] <annadane> good
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641[03:52:34] <idustyb> @jaggz: Depending on the list of
dependencies, and their sources; I've had very little issues
with backports - but that's different.
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642[03:52:47] <avis-> i think you might on a live bootable cd
that is your distro and only that be able to rewrite grub or maybe a
super grub disc
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643[03:53:24] <Resilience> hello to everyone, a littlel
off-topic but,is it possible to make a SAN (with debian, of course)
to share a disk between two (o more computers)?
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644[03:53:24] <idustyb> @jaggz: What's the reason for the
experimental version? Maybe you could sign up and contribute getting
it into some other stream?
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645[03:53:43] <annadane> anyway, the latest upstream version of
gimp ought to just be available on their website anyway as a tar
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646[03:53:49] <annadane> i haven't checked but probably
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648[03:53:56] <tw> Resilience: same filesystem or different
luns?
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650[03:54:37] <me7zg3r> I've had a very bad experience with
grub rescue (using debinstall iso), ymmv
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651[03:55:06] <jaggz> idustyb, I "needed" some of its
advanced capabilities for higher bit depth images..
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652[03:55:11] <jaggz> (HDRI)
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653[03:55:20] <idustyb> Roger.
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654[03:55:40] <Resilience> tw same filesystem, I'm afraid
I'm not to keen on NAS vs SAN, but it seems to me that SAN
maybe faster than NAS, right? wrong?
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655[03:55:47] <jaggz> I'm completely unaware of just HOW
stable it is and such.. first time looking at it today..
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656[03:56:05] <jaggz> with all its libs it would definitely be
nice if they had a flatpak for the thing
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657[03:56:11] <idustyb> @jaggz: The main reason for the
`frankendebian` concern is often not related to the package itself,
but it's dependencies.
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658[03:56:38] <idustyb> @jaggz: Given this is dependent on some
pretty critical packages, it's definitely a concern.
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659[03:56:39] <jaggz> idustyb, yeah.. it can get messy..
I've done it in the past but managed to avoid it for years :)
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660[03:56:48] <tw> Resilience: usually SAN means "pass raw
block device to target OS." This is not good for the same FS on
two different computers at the same time and is a great way to
corrupt the filesystem.
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661[03:56:54] <me7zg3r> does sharing a disk between several
computers imply that the HDD is connected to 2 different
motherboards?
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663[03:57:27] <idustyb> @jaggz: I guess; I'd be shooting up
a VM or something, if that's a possibility. Mess about with it
that way.
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664[03:57:32] <tw> Resilience: But yes, you can use samba or nfs
to share a filesystem with client computers.
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667[03:58:43] <clime> hello, can anyone, please give me a rough
instructions on how I can fix the grub when I have a disk available
e.g. on /dev/vda?
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668[03:59:01] <Resilience> tw I was thinking about having
two/three computers, which share the same files on a external system
(NAS or SAN), I thought SAN would be faster than NAS, maybe the
problem is "using it at the *same* time?
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670[03:59:13] <clime> is just group-install /dev/vda enough? I
don't know why I cannot boot after upgrade :(.
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671[03:59:30] <me7zg3r> clime, I've nuked my gpt's a
nice half a dozen of times in the past 2 days, have no clue on
rescuing :(
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672[03:59:46] <annadane> weird to have this much activity in
#debian this late, normally pretty dead
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673[03:59:47] <me7zg3r> the only thing I know is image-backuping
and restoring
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675[03:59:59] <clime> hmm great
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676[04:00:05] <me7zg3r> debian got more hype recently I guess
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677[04:00:07] <tw> Resilience: I'd only use the SAN option
for exclusive access, unless you really know what you're doing
(eg, failover).
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678[04:00:08] <clime> so group-install cannot help?
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680[04:00:26] <SlidingHorn> clime, is this a virtual machine?
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681[04:00:30] <idustyb> @jaggz: I, personally; also keep my
environments rather minimalistic. Breaking them then is not a huge
issue. That's no real excuse for frankendebian, but does mean
in some unavoidable instances; you can get around it. That version
of libc6 is also only in SID. So, I think you're going to have
a rather interesting adventure.
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682[04:00:33] <tw> Resilience: NAS-like solutions are probably
going to be more than fast enough.
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683[04:00:38] <clime> SlidingHorn: yes, virtual machine
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684[04:00:58] <Resilience> tw as fast as a local hdd/ssd?
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685[04:01:17] <SlidingHorn> clime, take a look here:
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686[04:01:19] <jaggz> idustyb, I'm not desperate for the
whole thing.. I can get by without gimp 2.10 for now .. :)
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688[04:01:56] <jaggz> too involved in projects to break my
system.. and I've only used vm's in the past with vbox.
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689[04:02:08] <jaggz> well, I guess I run an android emulator in
qemu
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690[04:03:14] <me7zg3r> wait a second, SlidingHorn can you
actually set up a VM with no performance loss on top of your actual
machine with full hardware access? O-o
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691[04:03:20] <idustyb> @jaggz: Lucky! Gosh :( Glad my
suggestion didn't frankendebian you then >.>
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692[04:03:54] <clime> can I get to "rescue" mode from
grub rescue console?
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693[04:04:03] <tw> Resilience: It'll never be quite that
fast, but I can get 90+MB/sec over 1gbps ethernet sustained to my
samba share.
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695[04:04:50] <tw> Resilience: The advantage of SAN is that it
doesn't have to do remote lock checking and it can cache better
because it has exclusive access to the FS.
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696[04:04:50] <Resilience> tw I'm more worried about
latencies than about the bandwidth
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697[04:04:55] <me7zg3r> clime, let me google that real quick
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699[04:05:19] <tw> Resilience: Then I wouldn't share the FS
at all.
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703[04:06:05] <idustyb> And this is why we pay @annadane the big
bucks!
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704[04:06:39] <Resilience> tw then how can I have a central
repository for my files? i is about having all of them in one place
and being accessible from different computers...
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705[04:06:51] <me7zg3r> clime, grub> set pager=1 // grub>
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711[04:07:43] <idustyb> @Resilience: Did you mention what files
you want to share? Demand, size, priority?
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712[04:07:56] <me7zg3r> you can then "grub> cat
(hd0,1)/%etc%/%issue%" to inspect files
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713[04:07:57] <jaggz> idustyb, :)
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714[04:08:27] <tw> Resilience: Try it. You can have a basic
samba server running in 30 minutes.
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715[04:08:27] <clime> yes I can see that!
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716[04:08:33] <Resilience> idustyb, personal rpository:
docuent,s pictures, videos, books, source code and so on
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717[04:08:37] <tw> or less.
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718[04:08:44] <clime> I can see th boot partition and the root
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719[04:08:51] <me7zg3r> grub> set root=(%device%,%partition%)
// grub> linux /boot/%vmlinuz% root=%partition%
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720[04:09:12] <idustyb> @Resilience: Roger that. And what
benefits are needed of this storage? Is it backed up? Or is it to
have it's own redundancy?
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721[04:09:14] <me7zg3r> grub> initrd %path to initrd.img% //
grub> boot
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722[04:09:20] <clime> do the percentage sign belong there?
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723[04:09:24] <clime> *signs
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724[04:09:30] <me7zg3r> no, that is to denote this is generic
hint
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725[04:09:30] <Resilience> tw, I think that the same hardware I
use for a NAS can be turned into a SAN; right? ( I have to buy the
hardware)
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726[04:09:35] <clime> ok
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727[04:10:08] <tw> Resilience: short version is yes, you can set
it up either way (or if you're feeling bold, both from the same
hardware).
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728[04:10:10] <Resilience> idustyb, I was thinking of haveing a
mirror, and having a second systema as a backup for the first one
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729[04:10:27] <Resilience> tw not so bold :P
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730[04:10:29] <clime> but this is grub console, I have only grub
rescue
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731[04:10:52] <clime> so not sure if I can do things like: linux
/boot/%vmlinuz%
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732[04:11:08] <Resilience> tw which micro do you recommend me
for this jo? (if any)
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734[04:13:08] <idustyb> @Resilience: My experience of SAN is
usually in an enterprise environment, and often depends on special
hardware (IE; links from the 'SAN' provider to the servers
that depend on it). It also often depends on the implementation as
to the technologies you then access it with.
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735[04:13:36] <Resilience> idustyb, mine is a SOHO diy project,
just for me
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736[04:14:00] <Resilience> idustyb, it means off-the-self
hardware, and consumer hardwae
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737[04:14:03] <tw> Resilience: Might float that question in
##hardware, but if it's a single user, you can probably get by
with junkbin parts and a ton of RAM.
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739[04:14:30] <idustyb> Hmmm
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740[04:14:31] <me7zg3r> clime, that was meant to be linux
/boot/vmlinuz_some_numbers_etc.img
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741[04:14:31] <clime> I can do grub rescue> ls
(hd0,msdos1)/grub
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742[04:14:43] <me7zg3r> I just don't know which is your
location for those files
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743[04:15:09] <clime> which gives ./ ../ device.map grub.cfg
locale/ grubenv unicode.pf2 fonts/ i386-pc/
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744[04:15:34] <clime> then I tried set prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/grub
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745[04:15:38] <idustyb> @Resilience: Lots of the SAN's we
used were host to giant environments. We're talking whole
environments, not just 'file shares'. There's more of
an 'architectural' consideration with SAN.
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746[04:15:51] <clime> and insmod normal
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747[04:15:59] <clime> according what I have found on net
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749[04:16:08] <clime> but getting error: file not found after
that
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750[04:16:41] <me7zg3r> --offtopic idustyb can one setup a
service-like environment? say VM for games with low
ping/latency&&high bandwith for the image transfer?
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754[04:18:00] <idustyb> @me7zg3r: That's a whole new kettle
of fish there! There's huge considerations with network
bandwidth, reliability. Software too! I think that question really
is like 5 in one!
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759[04:19:11] <idustyb> @Resilience: I honestly believe a good
NAS configuration might better suit your needs. A decent RAID
(Perhaps 5?), and a tonne of HDD's. I had two (co-located) for
a long time, with some AMD Bulldozer chips.
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760[04:19:21] <Resilience> idustyb, so for a diy SOHO solution I
suppose that you recommend me the NAS way, right?
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761[04:19:35] <Resilience> idustyb, ah, at the same time hehe
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762[04:19:51] <idustyb> @Resilience: Not trying to shoot down a
SAN idea, but you might want to research the architecture / topology
heavily. The benefits of a SAN are generally gained due to the
hardware (Eg; Fibre)
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764[04:19:57] <idustyb> Or other proprietary connection methods.
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766[04:20:30] <idustyb> @Resilience: Most definitely. Some other
considerations, as I've already ventured down this path;
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768[04:21:19] <idustyb> @Resilience: Hardware RAID is faster,
but can become an issue if your infrastructure dies without some
kind of backup hardware (Eg; the Hardware RAID you're using is
discontiued - very unlikely)
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769[04:21:57] <idustyb> @Resilience: It's also expensive
lol
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770[04:21:59] <Resilience> idustyb, I thought that accessing the
blocks directly would be "faster" (less latency) than
having to translate between block/file, I am worried when opening
fle adter file, the delays on ecah one
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771[04:22:09] <Resilience> *each
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772[04:22:14] <tw> Resilience: you don't need to shave ns
with a single user in your application.
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773[04:22:30] <idustyb> @Resilience: I think you'll find
your network infrastructure would become an issue before your
suggestion here.
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775[04:23:23] <Resilience> tw ?
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776[04:23:24] <me7zg3r> idustyb, do you want that kettle of fish
tho? :D
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778[04:24:09] <idustyb> @Resilience: You will also have other
file-level issues before network - such as save conflicts.
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781[04:24:52] <tw> Resilience: the latency difference is not so
much that you're going to notice it under normal circumstances.
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782[04:25:19] <Resilience> idustyb, I don't have check out
the bandwiths, but I have supppossed that 1Gb ethernet is as fast as
(or faster) than sata-3 (maybe I'm wrong)
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783[04:25:29] <idustyb> @me7zg3r: Perhaps. I'd consider
investing in already dedicated infrastructure for that. Like those
steam boxes? So you transmit your game from Computer -> Receiver
-> TV.
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784[04:25:39] <Resilience> tw, ah, I understand now
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786[04:26:09] <idustyb> @Resilience: As per tw - you would
probably have that same issue no matter which implementation. If
your client only supports SMB (Perhaps a desktop that you're
using to save your pictures) - that overhead is always there.
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787[04:26:38] <idustyb> @me7zg3r: What are you thinking of
building?
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789[04:26:55] <Resilience> tw idustyb ah, one more thing, when I
say "accessing different comptuers" I mean all are of mine
(differnete workstations, smartphone, etc)
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790[04:27:42] <idustyb> @Resilience: Yeah. Of course.
That's still not an issue with a NAS. I use a VPN also for
remote access.
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791[04:28:16] <me7zg3r> idustyb, something like in the good old
days, big, noisy, lots of fans, gpus, cpus -- you name it! put in
some nvme's with custom cooling and a healthy hundred of
VM's
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792[04:28:36] <me7zg3r> on top of that to install, play, work,
whatever
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793[04:28:49] <Resilience> idustyb, I understand, I was only
saying because hen I said concurrently it means the computers, but
the player is just me, so it would be concurrently, but sequentially
(I am not multitask)
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794[04:28:52] <me7zg3r> and I guess a dozen of GB-ethernet would
be nice for that
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797[04:29:50] <idustyb> @Resilience: Right! Yeah you
wouldn't have issues with the NAS. I have multiple assets of my
own connected at all times. I don't have any issues. I do not
store source code on there, however. That's all SCM managed on
github.
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799[04:31:01] <idustyb> @me7zg3r: Does sound fun. I'm too
poor for such projects. I'm even rocking a MacBook Pro (With
debian, of course) with missing keys :(
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800[04:31:13] <idustyb> I'm a developer too! Not having an
up button is killing me!
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801[04:31:24] <Resilience> idustyb, tw, ok, I think i'll go
to the NAS route then
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802[04:32:03] <tw> Resilience: cheaper by far, easier to set up,
and maintain.
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803[04:32:06] <idustyb> @Resilience: I'd be super keen to
help wherever I can too. I must admit; I chose to eventually
purchase Western Digital NAS products (So prebuilt, etc etc). But I
ran my old environment for a LONG time.
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805[04:32:18] <Resilience> idustyb, what kind oh micro do you
recommnd me? is it better faster? or is it betetr more memory? or
what?
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806[04:32:21] <idustyb> @Resilience: Instead, I've migrated
to these dedicated NAS, and a series of Raspberry Pi's to
create a distributed network.
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807[04:32:22] <me7zg3r> idustyb, I'm rocking a Lenovo X240
with a missing "6" key :D if you have a project, you might
as well stumble on an investor
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808[04:33:28] <me7zg3r> I'm exiting for a while, I'll
miss you, idustyb
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809[04:33:53] <idustyb> @Resilience: Oooh! Tough question.
Another reason I leave that to vendors. I prefer Intel. AMD burnt me
hard with the Bulldozer chipsets, and some other issues with BIOS,
IOMMU (VT-d)... ugh!
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810[04:34:00] <Resilience> idustyb, I have a sinology ds413j on
my desk (a gift from a friend) but I would prefer making my own one
(control freak)
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811[04:34:03] <idustyb> @me7zg3r: Ahw! Clearly miss you too!
Speak soon!
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812[04:34:15] <tw> Resilience: I'd use the synology.
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813[04:34:41] <idustyb> @Resilience: I had lots of issues with
Synology performance. I actually didn't want to purchase the
vendor NAS - it was purchased for me as a gift. But I've been
BLOWN AWAY by it's performance.
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814[04:35:02] <idustyb> Please don't take that as
definitive of Synology products. It was just my experience with 2 of
their products.
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815[04:35:24] <Resilience> tw it does not have command line nor
debian... it is old (I suppose unsupported yet)... and I cannot
play-errrr build O :o)
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816[04:35:44] <idustyb> @Resilience: The NAS I have has full OS
access. I'm pretty sure it's running Debian too!
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817[04:36:13] <Resilience> idustyb, which one is?
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818[04:37:14] <idustyb> @Resilience: Western Digital EX4...
It's no where near the capacity you're looking for.
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822[04:38:19] <idustyb> @Resilience: Western Digital also fully
release the source, though not on your common SCM. But they do not
support any issues had if you break it.
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826[04:39:03] <Resilience> idustyb, not thinking on making my
linux-from-scratch compiling everything
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830[04:39:22] <idustyb> @Resilience: Nah. Debian is the right
choice. lol
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831[04:39:51] <avis-> how do i enable the lan fully on debian ?
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832[04:39:52] <Resilience> idustyb, the only one choice you
mean... ]:o)
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833[04:40:01] <idustyb> @Resilience: Oooh! I stand corrected :D
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834[04:40:12] <Resilience> O :o)
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835[04:40:19] <avis-> ./msg godwinhj snitch !!
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837[04:40:44] <avis-> typo, sorry
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838[04:41:15] <idustyb> Awkward!
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839[04:41:16] <idustyb> lol
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840[04:41:20] <SlidingHorn> avis-, can you be a little more
specific with your question
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841[04:41:37] <avis-> i would like to know if i have to adjust
to access fully my lan ?
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842[04:41:42] <SlidingHorn> (...and that typo reminds me of the
days when people would try to DM someone on Twitter and type it
wrong and everyone would see it)
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843[04:41:48] <avis-> adjust settings or config files on debian
?
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846[04:42:19] <Resilience> idyif I try the diy way, a celeron
would be sufficient? i3? i5?
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847[04:42:21] <SlidingHorn> avis-, as long as you set your
workgroup the same as the rest of your network on installation, you
should be fine as far as I know
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848[04:42:22] <idustyb> @avis-: Have you checked your
/etc/network.d/<interface> file?
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849[04:42:23] <Resilience> id4rk_, yif I try the diy way, a
celeron would be sufficient? i3? i5?
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850[04:42:31] <avis-> i have not idustyb
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851[04:43:05] <idustyb> @avis-: Can you see the interface in `ip
addr`
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852[04:43:18] <avis-> i'm sure i can find it. i'll
look
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853[04:44:08] <idustyb> @Resilience: Hmm! So it's just
hosting these files? Is it hosting vm's or anything as well?
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855[04:44:45] <idustyb> @Resilience: I went with early quad core
CPU's, because I was hosting like.. a handful of VM's on
each machine. Some were CPU intensive, like.. my.. -cough- minecraft
-cough- server at the time..
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856[04:44:47] <Resilience> idustyb, just files, I only want some
central repository for all my computers
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858[04:45:26] <avis-> i have this one and this one,
/etc/network/interfaces.d and /etc/network/if-up.d but not exactly
what you said
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860[04:45:38] <avis-> there is a forward slash after both
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862[04:46:16] <idustyb> @avis-: Sorry! Correction.
`/etc/network/interfaces.d/<interface name>`
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866[04:46:53] <idustyb> @avis-: For me, for example:
`/etc/network/interfaces.d/enp2s0f0` - contains my configuration for
that device. It's important to consider; this may then conflict
with the network-manager applet.
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867[04:47:00] <avis-> nope, i don't dusty, there are three
files that don't relfect iwconfig or if/ipconfig. but i do have
the directory. wild. i'm using debian 9.4 iso 1 and updated by
net
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869[04:47:22] <idustyb> @Resilience: That NAS I use has a 2GHZ
CPU, and 512MB of ram. Bit old for now. It's also only managing
a RAID (probably software, tbh) over 4 drives.
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870[04:47:24] <avis-> thank you
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871[04:47:27] <idustyb> @Resilience: How many drives are you
going?
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872[04:48:45] <idustyb> @avis-: I have `allow-hotplug enp2s0f0`
and `iface enp2s0f0 inet dhcp` in my
`/etc/network/interfaces.d/enp2s0f0` file, which works well for me.
I can then bring up the interface, if it doesn't automatically
(as it should) with `ifup enp2s0f0`
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873[04:49:09] <Resilience> idustyb, I was thinking of a raid-1
(mirror system) with a twin system for hardware redundancy (maybe I
am wrong)
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875[04:49:14] <idustyb> @avis-: (Requires `ifdown enp2s0f0` if
it's already up, but not functioning)
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880[04:52:50] <idustyb> @Resilience: Considering the RAID type
is a pretty important question. Sounds like you have an awesome,
big, project ahead of you ;)
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881[04:53:21] <idustyb> @Resilience: I think I lied before..
Come to think of it; I just used LVM instead of a RAID on those two
servers.
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884[04:54:44] <Resilience> idustyb, call me "innocent"
but I thought it was as easy has having a NAS with a samba share
plus some kind of control access, with raid-1, and another system
which sync's each hour, or so
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885[04:54:46] <idustyb> @Resilience: My 'resilience'
was the fact the two environments mirrored eachother, and were
co-located.
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886[04:54:51] <tw> Resilience: a good backup policy is likely
more cost effective than a twin system, unless uptime is critical.
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887[04:55:35] <idustyb> @Resilience: I agree with tw here. A
good backup is important. And the right RAID provides that too.
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888[04:55:48] <idustyb> RAID-5 with 4 drives is a bad idea, btw.
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889[04:55:49] <luke-jr> [01:19:08] <annadane> well,
don't install .deb files from the internet <-- to be fair,
Debian removed bfgminer for no good reason some months ago, so he
may not have a choice
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890[04:55:50] <tw> RAID is not backup.
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891[04:56:13] <Resilience> tw a back up on what tape?
hdd's? it seems the same amount of money that having a second
unit, and I cannot afford the time without accessing my files
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893[04:56:56] <luke-jr> not that I have any idea what qifan was
doing related to bfgminer O.o
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895[04:57:35] <tw> Resilience: depending on volume and nature of
the files, something as simple as plug in USB disks that you rotate
could work.
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896[04:57:38] <idustyb> @tw: I agree, and disagree. Sucks :(
lol. By very definition, you're right. So I stand corrected,
@Resilience. @Resilience: RAID?# is not a a backup.
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900[04:59:10] <Resilience> idustyb, tw, I know it is not a
backup, but for loosing i all, It would have to break 4 disks and
two systems...
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901[04:59:13] <nevyn> idustyb: why do you say raid5 with 4
drives is a bade idea?
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902[04:59:26] <Resilience> becasue it is :)
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903[04:59:37] <tw> idustyb: for example, in jan, I had a raid1
system crash the fw on a dell PERC. It then proceeded to eat both
disks.
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904[04:59:39] <Resilience> it is know even for me that I cannot
explain it
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909[05:02:13] <idustyb> @nevyn: You only have 1 drive spare, to
which all other drives are required to rebuild - which, especially
in consumer drives; is asking for failure on one of the others (And
then your entire array)
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911[05:03:39] <idustyb> @nevyn: I can't remember the actual
'term' for this, but one does exist. You're basically
encouraging one of the other drives to fail, due to the intense
workload in rebuilding the array.
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912[05:04:09] <idustyb> However; Anything over this volume (With
2 spare); RAID5 is my favorite.
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913[05:04:12] <Resilience> idustyb, it is not about the MTBF
doesn't it?
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914[05:04:35] <Resilience> idustyb, 2 spares are 5 or 6 disks?
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916[05:06:53] <idustyb> Hmmm..
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917[05:06:59] <tw> 2 spares is raid6.
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918[05:07:10] <tw> unless you mean hot spares that have no data
on them.
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919[05:07:27] <idustyb> Yeah. I'm a liar there again. wtf.
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920[05:07:35] <idustyb> It is RAID6 for two spare.
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923[05:08:18] <tw> Figure a URE is going to happen every 10 TB
or so and you need to do a full read of your array to rebuild it...
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925[05:09:01] <tw> URE -> usually rebuild fail.
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940[05:20:38] <idustyb> @tw: That might be the term I'm
thinking - 'URE'? I dunno.
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941[05:20:43] <idustyb> @tw: What do you have for your personal
setup?
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946[05:26:54] <tw> idustyb: going way off topic, at home, 4x4TB
raid10 nas, 2x6tb raid1 backups, some of the backups rsync to an
internet server.
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947[05:27:21] <idustyb> @tw: Roger that. I appreciate your
response! Thank you!
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948[05:27:23] <tw> at work it's kind of a cf of 4
generations of storage systems.
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1247[09:02:02] <hacktivist10001> fine
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1274[09:16:37] <jakarto> how do I use wget with
"--input-file url.txt", if URLs in url.txt contain ranges
such as
replaced-url
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1276[09:17:39] <themill> The better question is, perhaps, why
would wget not read { as { but as something else
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1279[09:18:43] <themill> (0x7B is {, after all)
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1282[09:18:52] <jakarto> yes
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1283[09:19:28] <jakarto> I guess wget is "url encoding"
the URLs
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1284[09:20:01] <themill> sure, that's what it should be
doing, isn't it?
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1285[09:20:06] * themill isn't seeing the problem
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1286[09:20:24] <jakarto> themill: the problem is that I
don't know how to use range URLs from a text file
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1288[09:21:01] <themill> I don't think wget has any ability
to do ranges of anything
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1297[09:26:49] <n4dir> there probably is a irc channel for wget,
if you want to be sure.
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1304[09:29:48] <jakarto> ah cool thank for the pointer
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1305[09:30:24] <themill> Perhaps you've been doing this on
the command line and your shell has been expanding the range for you
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1306[09:30:43] <jakarto> that sounds like a good explanation
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1307[09:30:45] <n4dir> you could ask in #bash, as it might well
be the problem relates to when and how bash expands { }
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1321[09:37:44] <alkisg> jakarto: bash supports ranges, wget
doesn't. So you can't put ranges inside the wget file,
it's not a bash script.
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1326[09:39:07] <jakarto> ok, thanks
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1355[09:57:36] <rendar> E: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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replaced-url
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1358[09:58:07] <rendar> what's the matter with this?! i have
just bought a virtual server with debian 8 (Jessie) ..and tried to
install very common packets, such as libc
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1359[09:58:19] <rendar> why it tells me 404 Not Found? This is
absurd.
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1365[10:01:32] <rendar> ok
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1369[10:02:06] <rendar> but, isn't jessie the old Debian?
should i substitutite it with stretch?
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1371[10:03:08] <morf> rendar: it's old stable, if you want
you can; but it's supported up to 2020-04 so you have time :]
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1373[10:03:21] <rendar> :)
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1374[10:03:30] <rendar> but i will get newer packages with
stretch, will i?
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me the package information for jessie, without updating anything at
all"
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1387[10:06:10] <rendar> yes, i know that, i was asking if i
substitute 'jessie' with 'stretch' and i will
make update+upgrade+dist-upgrade, i will have newer packages/kernel
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1389[10:06:52] <rendar> hmm, Reading package lists... Done
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1390[10:06:52] <rendar> W: There is no public key available for
the following key IDs:
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1391[10:06:52] <rendar> EF0F382A1A7B6500
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1392[10:06:57] <rendar> what this means?
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1723[10:58:58] <DJ-ArcAngel> when was debian 7 EOL
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1727[11:02:43] <jelly> DJ-ArcAngel: ask the bot via private
message, read: "/msg dpkg wheezy" but also "/msg dpkg
wheezy-lts"
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1731[11:03:38] <jelly> LTS will end in May 2018, about a month or
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1732[11:04:07] <DJ-ArcAngel> ah ok, thank you
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1777[11:26:59] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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1778[11:27:07] <ychaouche> my /tmp/ directory is empty.
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1780[11:28:37] <Haohmaru> is that bad?
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1782[11:29:13] <ychaouche> that's what I'm asking
myself
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1783[11:29:20] <ychaouche> I'm not used to finding an empty
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1786[11:30:02] <ychaouche> df -h shows no value that is superior
to 10% use
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1813[11:50:42] <Tsutsukakushi> hey, does any of you know how
prevent debootstrap from connecting to a mirror
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1814[11:50:47] <Tsutsukakushi> and instead using the tarball
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1815[11:51:16] <Tsutsukakushi> there was some workaround with
just having the Release file in a local directory
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1816[11:51:18] <Tsutsukakushi> but
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1817[11:51:29] <Tsutsukakushi> there should be some better way to
do this as well
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1818[11:52:47] <Tsutsukakushi> it seems to still download from
the mirror even with --unpack-tarball on
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1847[12:13:24] <Tsutsukakushi> furrymcgee: i want to use the
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1899[12:43:42] <ychaouche> I want to simulate ccess to my imap
server from the outside, what's easier : use a proxy or use
some command line tools that obfuscate my IP ? (I am thinking about
nc)
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1900[12:43:52] <ychaouche> I don't know how to do any of the
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1913[12:54:52] <Haohmaru> you want to make a page where it can be
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1918[12:56:23] <Haohmaru> no idea
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1919[12:56:56] <rmrfchik> rtsp requires login/password and I can
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1941[13:14:46] <Kelsar> i try to install phpmyadmin without
apache, nginx-extras is allready installed. even with "apt-get
install --no-install-recommends phpmyadmin" apache is selected
to be installed, what am I doing wrong?
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1949[13:17:14] <NeuhNeuh> Hello ! :)
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1959[13:24:39] <Kelsar> ok, difference is, without recommends it
will "only" apache2-bin instead of apache2
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1965[13:28:13] <Kelsar> seems to be php pulling in apache by
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1970[13:30:00] <jelly> Kelsar: what if you install php-fpm first,
then install your thing that depends on (any) php
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1971[13:30:17] <jelly> or both in the same command
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1974[13:31:13] <jelly> ,depends phpmyadmin
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1975[13:31:15] <judd> Package phpmyadmin in stretch/amd64 --
depends: php, php-cli, php-mysql, php-json, php-mbstring, php-xml,
perl, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libjs-sphinxdoc (>=
1.0), dbconfig-mysql | dbconfig-no-thanks | dbconfig-common
(<< 2.0.0), php-php-gettext | php-gettext (<= 1:7.0),
php-phpseclib (>= 2.0), ucf (>= 0.28).
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1976[13:31:16] <Kelsar> jelly: yes, that works, had a typo in my
ansible role, php-fpm 1st prevents that
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1980[13:31:32] <jelly> ,whatprovides php
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1981[13:31:35] <judd> Package php in stretch/amd64 is provided
by: php7.0. php is also a real package.
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1982[13:31:42] <jelly> !#%5@#
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1983[13:31:45] <jelly> ,whatprovides php7.0
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1984[13:31:46] <judd> In stretch/amd64, php7.0 is a real package.
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1985[13:31:58] <jelly> is it now
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1987[13:32:13] <jelly> ,depends php7.0
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1988[13:32:15] <judd> Package php7.0 in stretch/amd64 -- depends:
libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi, php7.0-common.
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1989[13:32:18] <jelly> and there it is
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1990[13:32:37] <babilen> Yeah, -fpm has to be installed first or
apache is pulled in
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1991[13:32:52] <babilen> Bit annoying that sometimes
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1992[13:33:07] <ksk> Hey Guys. How do I disable/alter the
screensaver in debian9/xfce? I tired to google and came to a
"settings editor" - but I dont find any reference to
screensaver. thanks!
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1993[13:33:08] <jelly> so apachecentric!
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2023[14:02:53] <ewew> Hi. Is the apu A10-9700 supported in debian
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2037[14:11:17] <RoyK> ewew: I don't see why not - it's
just an amd x64
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2040[14:12:06] <ewew> because of the apu inside is r7 graphic.
But the firmware available for it is series 200.
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2041[14:12:40] <ewew> And i can not dig out the info which series
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2104[14:54:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
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2105[14:54:16] <netscape101> anyone familiar with this package:
libpng16-dev mentioned here:
replaced-url
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2112[14:59:46] <themill> ,i libpng-dev
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2113[14:59:47] <judd> Package libpng-dev (libdevel, optional) in
stretch/amd64: PNG library - development (version 1.6). Version:
1.6.28-1; Size: 244.6k; Installed: 638k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2116[15:00:50] <themill> (needing random packages implies that
you're installing things not designed for debian; when that
breaks, you get to keep both pieces)
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2118[15:02:04] <boudiccas> I'm using debian 9 and am finding
my access to a freenode group called 'ledger' blocked. the
hexchat message that I'm getting is "Only users using SSL
could join this channel!" so how can i install SSl please?
I've doen an Apt-cache search but I don't know which
program i should use
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2119[15:02:43] <netscape101> boudiccas: /server -ssl
irc.freenode.net
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2121[15:02:54] <themill> boudiccas: this is about your irc client
configuration
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2122[15:03:04] <boudiccas> ah, right. thanks
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2123[15:03:07] <ewew> boudiccas use the ssl port number 6697
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2189[15:31:25] <jubalh> are all debian packages on salsa? or does
this depend on the maintainer?
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2191[15:32:17] <themill> no, yes.
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2193[15:33:32] <jubalh> what is a reliable way to get the
changelog file contained in .deb files if one doesnt run debian on
that machine? I thought about looking in salsa. maybe there is
another way
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2198[15:33:57] <themill> From tracker.d.o or from the .deb
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2199[15:34:21] <themill> or metadata.ftp-master.d.o
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2206[15:35:46] <Tsutsukakushi> hey guys
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2207[15:35:53] <Tsutsukakushi> didn't get any good response
earlier today
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2208[15:36:12] <Tsutsukakushi> is there any way to get the
--unpack-tarball functionality in debootstrap to work
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2209[15:36:19] <Tsutsukakushi> or is this functionality simply
broken?
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2210[15:36:45] <jubalh> perfect, thank you themill
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2215[15:37:34] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: you might need to
describe how it's not working
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2216[15:37:53] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: it still tries to
download everything from the mirror
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2217[15:37:59] <Tsutsukakushi> and does not unpack and use the
contents of the tarball
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2219[15:38:20] <Tsutsukakushi> description in the manpage for
--unpack-tarball=FILE is:
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2220[15:38:22] <Tsutsukakushi> Acquire .debs from tarball FILE
instead of downloading via http.
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2221[15:38:28] <Tsutsukakushi> but this is not what happens
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2223[15:38:46] <Tsutsukakushi> seems to be case for other users
on the web as well
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2224[15:39:52] <alkisg> Tsutsukakushi: and did you create that
.tar with debootstrap --make-tarball?
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2225[15:40:00] <Tsutsukakushi> yes
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2226[15:40:09] <alkisg> Can you share the exact commands?
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2227[15:42:11] <Tsutsukakushi> fakeroot /usr/sbin/debootstrap
--verbose --foreign --variant=minbase --arch=amd64
--keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg
--make-tarball=debian-amd64.tgz stretch /tmp/tmp.BTbNIeT3gq
replaced-url
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2228[15:42:16] <Tsutsukakushi> and
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2231[15:43:31] <allizom> I'm trying to create a bridge to
share my internet connection from the wireless interface in my
laptop to a virtual machine I will run there. I'm using
NetworkManager. Though I've previously set up a bridge using
the wired ethernet connection, and it worked, in this case nmcli c
up is able to activate the bridge, but not the slave connection,
which fails with "Error: can't activate connection"
(it's actually a localized
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2232[15:43:33] <allizom> Here are configs and logs:
replaced-url
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2234[15:43:37] <Tsutsukakushi> sudo debootstrap --verbose
--no-check-gpg --foreign
--unpack-tarball="$PWD"/debian-amd64.tgz --arch=amd64
stretch /tmp/tmp.CnM7tTpaVn
replaced-url
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2235[15:43:59] <Tsutsukakushi> i added the mirror at the end
because it seems to be implcit if not mentioned
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2236[15:44:32] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: seems to work here
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2238[15:44:51] <Tsutsukakushi> changing the mirror to
"file:///localmirror" and having just the Release file in
the localmirror does not work, though someone on some forums said it
did for him
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2239[15:45:06] <Li> the darn battery died without notification
from on debian and I lost all opened windows! how to fix debian
power problems once and for all?
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2240[15:45:10] <Tsutsukakushi> themill: when you run the second
command do you see lines that say "Retrieving" ?
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2241[15:45:12] <Tsutsukakushi> or start with
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2243[15:45:45] <themill> Tsutsukakushi: sure, that doesn't
mean it's not using the tarball
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2260[15:56:26] <AquaFiX> do i created ftp access using vsftp
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2261[15:56:31] <AquaFiX> againt all advice to my root account,
yes
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2262[15:56:58] <AquaFiX> my root account can access some
directories, but not others, even after applying chown, and chroot
-R 777 dir-here///
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2263[15:57:03] <AquaFiX> vsftpd
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2265[15:57:47] <FinalX> please, for additional entertainment,
tell us you're not using a secure method and are on a public
wifi.
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2266[15:58:34] <AquaFiX> i am at the mall on my 2004 windows xp
pirated installation
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2267[15:59:01] <AquaFiX> so what's the issue
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2268[15:59:04] <AquaFiX> it's only a local server
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2269[15:59:08] <AquaFiX> with no wan access
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2270[15:59:14] <AquaFiX> but i cannot access the folder i want
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2271[15:59:36] <AquaFiX> i can access all files/folders up to the
folder that includes the information that i want to access
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2272[15:59:47] <AquaFiX> so i must of set something right, but i
cant get access to the files within
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2279[16:00:24] <ikarosuusi> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
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2280[16:00:24] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2284[16:00:38] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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2287[16:00:53] <ikarosuusi> i have problem concentrating
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2288[16:01:00] <ikarosuusi> and so many problems
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2289[16:01:02] <morf> disconnect from irc :]
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2290[16:01:07] <ikarosuusi> help
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2291[16:01:23] <ikarosuusi> i dont even know what udev does
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2292[16:01:26] <AquaFiX> can you explain why chmod -R
directory/here
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2293[16:01:29] <ikarosuusi> it listens to devices?
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2295[16:01:45] <ikarosuusi> im trying to install obs
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2296[16:01:50] <morf> ikarosuusi: device manager
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2298[16:01:51] <ikarosuusi> im artist please help not linux guru
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2304[16:02:27] <ikarosuusi> so many other problems too building
obs but this one i cannot comprehend
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2305[16:02:31] <ikarosuusi> how have I held packages
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2306[16:02:35] <ikarosuusi> like i have kidnapped them
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2308[16:02:37] <ikarosuusi> but i have not
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2309[16:03:00] <morf> i'm depressed already just by reading
it
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2310[16:03:08] <ikarosuusi> yes me too
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2312[16:03:33] <ikarosuusi> like how can it depend on something
barely a version old
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2314[16:03:44] <ikarosuusi> like third of a version old and not
backwards compatible
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2315[16:03:50] <ikarosuusi> ...
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2316[16:03:54] <ikarosuusi> and i dont even know what held it
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2319[16:04:41] <ikarosuusi> just do some more morf eene and then
your depression will go away and you can help me
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2320[16:04:59] <ikarosuusi> i even gave you joke now :)
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2325[16:06:48] <ikarosuusi> usually apt gives me some kind of
advice but now it only tells me
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2328[16:06:57] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2330[16:07:26] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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2332[16:07:54] <|aaron> Are hyphen and underscores in
/etc/network/interfaces interchangeable?
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2333[16:07:57] <ikarosuusi> how can i unhold it?
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2335[16:08:10] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Give a specific example of
what you're trying to do?
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2337[16:08:32] <ikarosuusi> how can i tell it to not install the
wrong one
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2338[16:08:38] <ikarosuusi> im not installing anything else
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2340[16:08:41] <ikarosuusi> theres nothing on the list
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2341[16:08:49] <ikarosuusi> if i do force install nothing is
installing no problem
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2342[16:08:51] <|aaron> hyperlumic: well im trying to
troubleshoot a bonded and bridged interface, and i keep seeing
conflicting examples of config settings online. like "bond_mode
802.3ad" vs "bond-mode 802.3ad"
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2343[16:08:59] <ikarosuusi> but when i try to install udev dev
then suddenly im holding some package
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2344[16:09:03] <ikarosuusi> like what the fuck seriously
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2346[16:09:10] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Ah. No, they're not
interchangeable. For bonding, use the hyphenated forms.
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2347[16:09:25] <|aaron> ahhh thats my problem then
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2348[16:09:29] <hyperlumic> |aaron: At least, I am 99% sure
they're not, and I use the hyphenated forms for my LACP
configuration.
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2349[16:10:10] <|aaron> i think maybe the debian version matters
too? my config was fine on debian 8, just upgraded to 9 when i
started having issues
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2350[16:10:17] <ikarosuusi> like i got so many other problems in
life but this is the one that makes me want to shoot people
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2351[16:10:23] <ikarosuusi> but thats what you debian guys want
right?
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2352[16:10:37] <ikarosuusi> make people install your system then
put them in impossible situation
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2353[16:10:44] <ikarosuusi> and then when they and i come to ask
for help
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2354[16:10:47] <hyperlumic> |aaron: I used the same format in 8
as I do now.
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2355[16:10:53] <ikarosuusi> you go "oh i get depressed by
just reading that"
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2356[16:11:00] <ikarosuusi> like seriously change your attitude
and help me
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2357[16:11:04] <|aaron> the examples here use underscores
replaced-url
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2359[16:11:28] <|aaron> hah, well example 1 does, #2 uses hyphens
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2360[16:11:28] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2361[16:11:29] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Honestly, that page is quite
out of date.
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2363[16:11:31] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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2364[16:11:56] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Pastebin what you currently
have, and I'll see if I can help you get it working.
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2366[16:12:26] <|aaron> hyperlumic:
replaced-url
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2367[16:12:44] <hyperlumic> Oh god, no wonder.
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2368[16:12:58] <hyperlumic> Okay, sit tight.
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2371[16:13:14] <|aaron> haha oh man is it that obvious? i was
tearing my hair out all day yesterday over this..
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2372[16:13:19] <MrKeuner> hi, what's wrong with this? sudo
apt-get install nscd=2.24-11
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2373[16:13:26] <MrKeuner> Running Debian 9.3
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2374[16:13:38] <MrKeuner> E: Version '2.24-11' for
'nscd' was not found
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2375[16:14:27] <ikarosuusi> MrKeuner maybe try older mirror?
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2377[16:14:31] <ikarosuusi> some old stable?
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2378[16:14:38] <hyperlumic> |aaron:
replaced-url
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2382[16:15:18] <|aaron> oh wow yeah thats different
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2383[16:15:47] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages. THEN cmake -DUNIX_STRUCTURE=1
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..
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2384[16:15:52] <ikarosuusi> ehh wtf
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2385[16:16:00] <ikarosuusi> broken clipboard lol
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2388[16:16:12] <sag3> MrKeuner: nscd=2.24-11+deb9u3 is probably
what you want
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2389[16:16:15] <ikarosuusi> i guess people have given up on linux
clipboard lmao
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2390[16:16:29] <ikarosuusi> dpkg --get-selections | grep hold =
NOTHING
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2391[16:16:29] * dpkg selects ikarosuusi's ultra-s3kr3t collection
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2392[16:16:56] <ikarosuusi> thanks
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2395[16:17:22] <hyperlumic> |aaron: I get why your config stopped
working when you upgraded to 9. :)
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2398[16:18:11] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed?? WHY? Why
isn't it installing it already then?!
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2399[16:18:40] <|aaron> hyperlumic: i guess 9 requires the slaves
declaration as opposed to bond-master?
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2400[16:19:15] <n4dir> MrKeuner: use the version apt-cache show
nscd ; shows
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2403[16:19:37] <ikarosuusi> --fix-broken: cmake
-DUNIX_STRUCTURE=1 -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..
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2404[16:19:49] <ikarosuusi> --fix-broken: 0 upgraded, 0 newly
installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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2406[16:19:57] <ikarosuusi> so how is it conflicting?
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2408[16:20:10] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2409[16:20:13] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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2410[16:20:21] <ikarosuusi> how is it conflicting if I'm not
installing anything else?
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2412[16:20:40] <ikarosuusi> what can I do about it?
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2413[16:20:55] <ikarosuusi> remove udev and then pray it will
install and not just ruin everything?
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2415[16:22:14] <|aaron> hyperlumic: that didnt work unfortunately
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2416[16:22:50] <|aaron> bond0 and its slave interfaces are all in
DOWN status after rebooting
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2417[16:23:12] <|aaron> `ifup eth1` gives me unknown interface
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2423[16:25:35] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Sure, because eth1 isn't
really controlled by ifupdown at that point.
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2427[16:25:51] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Any log events that might
indicate why the bond interface didn't come up?
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2428[16:25:55] <MrKeuner> n4dir, thank you, I assumed I
didn't need the deb9u1 part
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2429[16:26:01] <MrKeuner> wrongly
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2431[16:26:53] <n4dir> what confused me is that
packages.debian.org shows a different version number for stable
deb9u3 (no clue why, btw).
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2432[16:27:02] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Um, to verify... You DO have
the 'ifenslave' package installed, yes?
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2433[16:27:16] <n4dir> ,nscd
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2434[16:27:18] <|aaron> yeah its installed
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2435[16:27:20] <n4dir> damnit.
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2436[16:27:37] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Comb through
/var/log/messages and see if there's anything relevant.
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2438[16:27:55] <|aaron> i dont see anyhting about bond0 in the
logsbut i do see some errors like 'vmbr0: port 4(veth103i0)
entered blocking state' then entered disabled state
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2440[16:28:08] <hyperlumic> Yeah, because its
"physical" interface is down.
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2443[16:29:00] <hyperlumic> Is there anything in
/proc/net/bonding/bond0 ?
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2445[16:29:48] <|aaron> hyperlumic: yeah, this cant be right
replaced-url
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2446[16:30:07] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Okay, the only time I've
seen that is when ifenslave is not, actually, installed.
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2447[16:30:16] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Can you verify that via dpkg?
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2448[16:30:48] <|aaron> apt-get install ifenslave says its there
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2449[16:31:11] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Anything in /etc/modules or
/etc/modprobe.d?
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2451[16:32:02] <MrKeuner> n4dir, there is a local repo in comany
probably cached a while ago.
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2452[16:32:02] <|aaron> no not really
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2454[16:32:13] <|aaron> nothing relevant
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2455[16:32:34] <hyperlumic> |aaron: The only other thing
I've seen do this is when something creates the bond interface,
and then tries to change the mode after an interface has been
enslaved to the bond interface.
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2456[16:32:46] <hyperlumic> |aaron: So it gets stuck in
round-robin, for instance.
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2458[16:33:11] <|aaron> yeah its in round robin according to
/proc
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2459[16:33:20] <JordiGH> Stinkpad X1 gen 5, you think Debian
stable can handle it?
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2460[16:33:23] <hyperlumic> |aaron: grep -R bond0 /etc/network -
Anything come up outside of /e/n/i?
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2462[16:34:01] <|aaron> yeah some files in /etc/network/run
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2464[16:34:14] <|aaron> ifstate.bond0, .eth0 etc
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2467[16:35:42] <hyperlumic> |aaron: grep bonding /var/log/syslog
?
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2468[16:36:12] <ikarosuusi> sudo apt -f install
libudev-dev=232-25+deb9u2
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2469[16:36:12] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2470[16:36:15] <ikarosuusi> why?
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2471[16:36:27] <|aaron> hyperlumic: nothing at all
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2472[16:36:35] <ikarosuusi> why are you ignoring me?
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2473[16:36:45] <ikarosuusi> this is absolutely ridiculously
frustrating!
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2474[16:37:12] <hyperlumic> |aaron: That's really bizarre.
Okay, odd request. apt purge ifenslave and reinstall it.
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2475[16:37:19] <ikarosuusi> first you tell me install linux
it's open source and spy free and everything is nice and then
when i encounter problem NOBODY GIVES A FUCK
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2476[16:37:35] <ikarosuusi> you autistic shithead motherfuckers
in the literal sense
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2477[16:37:43] <|aaron> hyperlumic: if i remove thats its going
to uninstall proxmox
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2478[16:38:06] <hyperlumic> And there's the wildcard.
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2480[16:38:19] <hyperlumic> Proxmox mangles the system in a lot
of funky ways, even if it's installed on top of Debian.
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2482[16:38:31] <hyperlumic> !proxmox
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2483[16:38:31] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
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2487[16:38:58] <|aaron> yeah ##proxmox has not been helpful... so
you think the issue is specific to it?
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2488[16:39:01] <JordiGH> ikarosuusi: Also force the version of
libudev, add libudev=232-25+deb9u2 on the apt line. Although
I'm not sure why you're doing this.
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2489[16:39:22] <hyperlumic> |aaron: Yes. The bonding
configuration I gave you was nearly a copy and paste off of one of
my Debian servers. I only changed the interface names.
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2491[16:39:28] <JordiGH> ikarosuusi: Downgrading packages
isn't generally supported, but it might work in this case.
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2494[16:39:46] <|aaron> sigh. well i guess im finding a new
hypervisor today
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2496[16:39:55] <hyperlumic> |aaron: I was never able to get
bonding working on Proxmox correctly, incidentally.
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2497[16:40:07] <|aaron> it worked fine for me for years until i
upgraded yesterday
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2498[16:40:12] <jelly> |aaron: what are your interfaces actually
called right now? "ip link show"
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2500[16:40:27] <mappores> is there a simple way to download all
the manpages in debian, for example an archive? Or are man pages
stored within every package?
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2502[16:40:32] <jelly> or "ip l"
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2503[16:40:40] <|aaron> jelly: which ones? eth1+eth2+eth3 are the
bonded nic, bond0 is the bond group, vmbr0 is the bridge
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2504[16:40:56] <jelly> all of them. pastebin the output.
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2506[16:41:18] <|aaron> jelly:
replaced-url
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2508[16:41:59] <jelly> okay, that looks sane
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2509[16:42:22] <n4dir> mappores: if you install a package, then
it comes with the manpage. There is also "apt-cache show
manpages", which seems to explain the difference
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2512[16:42:37] <n4dir> and, to make it worse, there are also the
posix manpages and the funny manpages ...
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2514[16:43:16] <mappores> n4dir: do i have to install a package
to install the manpage? Can I get only the collection of manpages?
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2516[16:43:20] <SpeakerToMeat> if a package source has
debian/patches/series it's quilt based, right?
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2517[16:43:29] <n4dir> mappores: i don't know, sorry.
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2518[16:43:44] <n4dir> some claim the posix manpages are
"better" (whatever that might mean).
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2521[16:44:07] <jelly> |aaron: which kernel are you using right
now? uname -a?
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2522[16:44:12] <ikarosuusi> libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (=
232-25+deb9u2) but 232-25+deb9u3 is to be installed
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2523[16:44:15] <ikarosuusi> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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2524[16:44:16] <ikarosuusi> HELP
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2526[16:44:22] <|aaron> jelly: Linux queen 4.13.16-1-pve #1 SMP
PVE 4.13.16-45 (Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:47:11 +0200) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2527[16:44:22] <ikarosuusi> I NEED TO FUCKING INSTALL THAT SHIT
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2528[16:44:34] <jelly> ikarosuusi: read this and provide all the
info:
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2529[16:44:40] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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2530[16:44:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2531[16:44:45] <Tenkawa> ikarosuusi: you are going to be
banned....
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2533[16:45:25] <ikarosuusi> Tenkawa take your autistic brain to a
hike
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2534[16:45:30] <Tenkawa> just calm down..
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2535[16:45:37] <hyperlumic> ikarosuusi: Bad move.
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2536[16:45:54] <Tenkawa> its a lot easier to fix this if you
think this through
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2537[16:46:04] <jelly> ikarosuusi: keep your comments in here to
technically relevant for your problem here. I understand you're
frustrated but venting does not make people moreeager to help.
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2538[16:46:05] <ikarosuusi> you don't think I'm in some
serious pain here? I'm trying as CALM as possible
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2539[16:46:22] <ikarosuusi> I just see 0 response only morf
saying he is depressed seeing me having this problem
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2541[16:46:27] <n4dir> stop chatting and give the info jelly
asked for.
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2542[16:46:28] <ikarosuusi> so yeah you may wonder why I react
like this
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2543[16:46:33] <Tenkawa> its looking for a package too many
versions higher... '
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2545[16:46:45] <ikarosuusi> so I'm now going to do what
jelly told me,...
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2546[16:46:52] <Tenkawa> first.. you need to figure out why
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2548[16:47:01] <ikarosuusi> 10:43 < n4dir> mappores: i
don't know, sorry.
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2549[16:47:10] <jelly> ikarosuusi: keep your comments in here to
technically relevant for your problem here, no need to talk about
how noone's helping
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2555[16:48:02] <mappores> ikarosuusi: ?
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2556[16:48:09] <ikarosuusi> yeah i know dude it's just that
I had this great flow going on and then this happened
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2557[16:48:32] <ikarosuusi> ehh idk mappores you go and figure
linux clipboard out
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2560[16:49:10] <jelly> |aaron: I've seen some old
kernels/eth drivers where link had to be manually brought up first
to make bonding and 802.1q vlans work
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2561[16:49:30] <jelly> |aaron: seeing as you're using a
custom kernel, perhaps it has similar bugs
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2563[16:49:34] <|aaron> jelly: so if i do that it will work, but
only intermittently
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2565[16:49:59] <Tenkawa> brb.. rebooting to linux
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2569[16:50:20] <Lavinho> good afternoon
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2570[16:50:24] <jelly> |aaron: I'd say contact your kernel
vendor, as a starting point
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2573[16:50:39] <|aaron> yeah they have not been helpful at all,
thats what i spent all day yesterday doing
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2575[16:51:22] <Lavinho> I installed debian 9 on lenovo thinkpad
x60 with libreboot, but when it starts it gets the black screen
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2576[16:51:25] <jelly> in any case, proxmon does so many changes
we don't consider it supportable here
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2577[16:51:26] <jhutchins_wk> 2~/whois ikarosuusi
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2578[16:51:37] * jelly can't type today
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2581[16:52:12] <Lavinho> help me please
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2582[16:53:01] <|aaron> jelly, i understand, thank you
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2583[16:53:16] <jhutchins_wk> Lavinho: Black screen with no
cursor? Can you switch to a console with Ctrl-Alt-F1?
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2584[16:53:49] <Lavinho> stopped cursor
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2585[16:54:10] <ikarosuusi> ok here's the complete output
for the libudev-dev "package held" thingy:
replaced-url
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2587[16:54:27] <ikarosuusi> thanks for pitching in jelly at least
one sane response :)
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2588[16:54:45] <Lavinho> no switch
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2590[16:55:28] <themill> ikarosuusi: you need to add
stretch-updates back into your sources.list
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2592[16:55:58] <jelly> security.debian.org seems to be missing as
well
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2593[16:55:59] <ikarosuusi> is it just the same with -updates
after stretch?
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2594[16:56:08] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
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2595[16:56:08] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2596[16:56:24] <ikarosuusi> owwee
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2597[16:56:50] <ikarosuusi> oh my this is so much new stuff right
here
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2598[16:57:03] <Lavinho> jhutchins_wk: help me please
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2599[16:57:09] <jelly> why is systemd in vola^H^H^H^H-updates
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2600[16:57:14] <ikarosuusi> should my mirror provide all of
those?
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2601[16:57:21] <jelly> it ought to yes
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2603[16:57:38] <jelly> except for security.d.o
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2604[16:57:41] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: is it an official debian mirror
from the list?
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2616[16:58:31] <themill> ikarosuusi: by the looks of what you
have installed, you used to have those in your sources.list and
removed them recently
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2617[16:58:32] <ikarosuusi> BCMM yeah it is but for some reason
in my sources.list (what i have commented out) there is
security.debian.org instead of tumpetti.atm.tut.fi
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2618[16:58:41] <greycat> If "my mirror" means "I
chose a mirror from the list because the auto redirector thingy kept
giving me broken/slow mirrors" then sure.
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2619[16:58:51] <greycat> If "my mirror" means "I
am trying to build my own Debian mirror", then stop that.
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2620[16:59:01] <BCMM> ikarosuusi: yes, as jelly says, security
usually comes straight from debian.org
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2621[16:59:02] <ikarosuusi> :D yeah greycat the former :D
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2622[16:59:05] <BCMM> i don't know why, actually
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2623[16:59:08] <SpeakerToMeat> ikarosuusi: And updates and
security are important repos to have
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2624[16:59:12] <ikarosuusi> oh wow so much help
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2625[16:59:15] <ikarosuusi> ok nice
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2626[16:59:17] <ikarosuusi> will try now
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2629[17:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> !libreboot
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2630[17:00:17] <Lavinho> yes
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2631[17:01:08] <jhutchins_wk> Lavinho: Not a Debian thing, but I
would guess that your problem is with video drivers. You'll
need to boot to rescue mode or use a live image (or the installer).
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2636[17:02:14] <ikarosuusi> hey where is this guy why is it not
in my sources.list but it still keeps coming up even after I
mentally admitted that I made an error and then checked sources.list
that it's not there anymore Ign:19
replaced-url
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2637[17:02:30] <ikarosuusi> " :D "
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2638[17:02:39] <Lavinho> even in recovery mode does not
initialize
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2639[17:02:44] <jelly> ikarosuusi: somewhere under
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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2640[17:02:54] <ikarosuusi> thanks
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2641[17:03:03] <ikarosuusi> btw libudev-dev installing as i type
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2642[17:03:09] <ikarosuusi> soooo grateful :)
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2643[17:03:14] <ikarosuusi> all the pain flowing away
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2644[17:03:17] <ikarosuusi> smile shining
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2645[17:03:19] <ikarosuusi> ahhh
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2646[17:03:22] <ikarosuusi> this is life
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2647[17:03:28] <jelly> that'll be $3.50
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2648[17:03:31] <hyperlumic> ikarosuusi: Yeah, as a future note,
don't use Ubuntu sources or PPAs in Debian... There be dragons.
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2649[17:04:03] <ikarosuusi> hyperlumic yeah I though the link was
for debian so I grabbed the first line that seemed like a debian
line ;)
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2652[17:04:30] <ikarosuusi> I managed to ctrl-c the installation
process but yeah
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2657[17:05:29] <ikarosuusi> i have to say you debian people are
the best people in the world
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2659[17:06:08] <BCMM> !why not use a ppa
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2660[17:06:08] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package
Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases,
they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages
from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me
about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
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2667[17:07:38] <ikarosuusi> is this something I should be
concerned with?:
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2668[17:07:46] <jelly> ikarosuusi: we just pretend well.
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2669[17:07:47] <ikarosuusi> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
\ perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: \ LANGUAGE
= "", \ LC_ALL = (unset), \ LANG = "en_FI.UTF-8"
\ are supported and installed on your system. \ perl: warning:
Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). \ locale:
Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
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2670[17:07:53] <ikarosuusi> directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL
to default locale: No such file or directory
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2672[17:08:03] <SpeakerToMeat> Sigh I need to find why I
can't compile well on my debian at work
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2673[17:08:10] <jelly> what sort of locale is en_FI
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2674[17:08:13] <ikarosuusi> seems like harmless error to me but
will it kick me in the toe later on?
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2675[17:08:19] <ikarosuusi> it's finnish locale
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2676[17:08:36] <greycat> English As Spoken In Finland ?
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2677[17:08:45] <ikarosuusi> they made it that way because fi_FI
sounds like something thats trying to be a dog but can barely bark
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2678[17:08:50] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: that's a pretty generic
problem
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2679[17:09:00] <ikarosuusi> IDK honestly
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2680[17:09:02] <jelly> ikarosuusi: you can't just invent
locale and hope it works
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2681[17:09:13] <ikarosuusi> jelly it became like that during
debian install
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2682[17:09:21] <ikarosuusi> english language but finnish
localisation
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2684[17:09:41] <jelly> locale -a |grep en_ does not show it for
me on stretch, and I have locales-all installed
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2685[17:09:53] <greycat> I'm looking at dpkg-reconfigure
locales in stretch right now and I do *NOT* see en_FI in this list.
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2687[17:10:04] <ikarosuusi> yeah that's something debian
came up with automatically during install..
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2688[17:10:11] <greycat> Well then fix it.
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2689[17:10:14] * babilen is particular fond of en_DE and en_SCOT :)
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2690[17:10:27] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: Yeah I can't figure how
to begin debugging this. the trouble is, packages I compile on at
work have dependecies at install that they don't at home, and
it looks like it's some "confusion" about
architecture. I'm building on and for amd64 in both cases, but
at work they gain dependecies like lib64gcc1 lib64stdc++6 and
libc6-amd64
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2691[17:10:27] <ikarosuusi> babilen understands me :)
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2693[17:10:35] <greycat> Well I fucking don't. Fix it.
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2694[17:10:40] <ikarosuusi> haha ok
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2699[17:11:57] <ikarosuusi> greycat should I google how to or...
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2700[17:12:06] <greycat> export LANG=C
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2701[17:12:13] <greycat> after that you can fine-tune it to your
actual needs
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2702[17:12:32] <Tenkawa> yeah I dont see that one in my list
either
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2703[17:12:38] <greycat> the most important thing is to have an
ACTUAL locale chosen, and your made-up bullshit en_FI is not one of
them
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2704[17:12:41] <jelly> LANG=C.UTF-8 is probably saner at this
point
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2705[17:12:45] <annadane> what is the command to use to figure
out what another command does when there's not a man page?
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2706[17:12:54] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: do you have those installed on
your home system? Those are both standard automatic links.
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2707[17:12:55] <greycat> annadane: if it's a shell builtin,
use "help"
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2708[17:12:57] <jelly> instead of 7-bit ascii
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2710[17:13:09] <annadane> ty
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2711[17:13:49] <jelly> ikarosuusi: you could have LANG set to
en_US.UTF-8 but LC_TIME or LC_COLLATE to fi_FI.UTF-8 for specific
bits in /etc/default/locale
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2712[17:14:17] <ikarosuusi> should I then choose fifi instead of
c?
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2713[17:14:20] <jelly> I do it the other way round, have
LANG=hr_HR.UTF-8 but LC_MESSAGES and some others set to C
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2714[17:14:23] <greycat> hopefully in your personal ~/.profile or
whatever instead of system-wide to inflict your weird preferences on
everyone
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2716[17:14:36] <jelly> er. I'm going to fix that to C.UTF-8
right now of course
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2717[17:14:49] <jelly> it's their system
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2718[17:14:55] <jelly> they can do whatever they want
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2719[17:15:10] <ikarosuusi> my system is me wide
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2720[17:15:16] <greycat> You think that now.
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2721[17:15:27] <ikarosuusi> point
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2722[17:15:36] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: I have lib64gcc1:i386
installed yes, lib64gcc1:amd64 doesn't exist in the
repositories I have. and when installing my built package dpkg asks
for "plain" lib64gcc1 which should default to
lib64gcc1:amd64 here but most importantly, if I build the same
package on my home machine lib64gcc1 is not added to dependecies
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2723[17:15:43] <greycat> This is a BAD habit that you are
embedding into your brain and it will cause problems later on if you
ever become a system administrator, or if you ever add an account
for your sister, or whatever.
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2724[17:15:49] <jelly> multiuser workstations only exist in
enterprise
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2725[17:16:09] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: To me it looks like the build
tools think I'm trying to build a 64 bit package for a 32 bit
system or something like it
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2726[17:16:23] <ikarosuusi> what jelly is saying is true,
I've been sitting in from of these monitors for quite the while
without this system being wider than it is now
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2727[17:16:28] <ikarosuusi> I mean for decades
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2728[17:16:39] <ikarosuusi> like 2 of them
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2729[17:16:46] <jelly> and if their sister speaks a different
language, she can customize her own env in HOME :-)
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2730[17:17:36] <Tenkawa> everything should start generalized and
allow users to set their own personalization (imho)
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2731[17:17:38] <greycat> but the hard-coded crap in
/etc/default/locale has already broken the settings that sis
carefully set up on her client system and propagated through ssh
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2732[17:17:43] <jelly> but yeah, machines at work won't have
silly global defaults like that
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2733[17:17:57] <Tenkawa> dont force something on them immediately
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2734[17:18:00] <|aaron> jellly: you were right about my older
kernel needing the slave interfaces brought up first. also
apparently in debian 9 i need to declare bond-mode on each bond
slave interface when i do it that way. thats why it was working
intermittently before, it was coming up but defaulting to
round-robin mode
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2735[17:18:09] <jelly> greycat: it shouldn't. ssh overrides
pam_env
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2736[17:18:41] <jelly> try it.
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2737[17:19:06] <SpeakerToMeat> jelly: I think he means config
files copied over scp?
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2739[17:19:16] <SpeakerToMeat> jelly: No I think you're
right, nevermind
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2740[17:19:21] <ikarosuusi> what book should I read so I could
join you marvels?
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2741[17:19:32] <jelly> SpeakerToMeat: no, openssh client passes
LANG and LC_* env. vars from client to remote
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2742[17:19:34] <greycat> No, I mean exactly what I said, but if
it has changed since etch/lenny or whenever I last tested it, then
jelly may be correct.
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2743[17:19:39] <SpeakerToMeat> ikarosuusi: Only time will do
thast, time and lots and lots of tiny fights
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2744[17:19:40] <greycat> "Try it" is a hell of a long
struggle now...
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2746[17:19:45] <SpeakerToMeat> jelly: yeah
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2749[17:20:19] <jelly> remember when OSX clients had issues
logging in to Debian because different locale names?
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2750[17:20:25] <jelly> Pepperidge farm remembers.
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2751[17:21:05] <themill> I made a factoid about that 7 years ago
so it was common enough then
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2753[17:21:21] <jelly> |aaron: I'm going to preemptively
blame ifupdown and/or systemd for this breakage
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2756[17:21:36] <|aaron> hahaha. if in doubt, blame systemd lol
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2758[17:21:58] <JordiGH> Even if I could just image a stinkpad
X1's ssd with the current Debian install I have on an
x220/x250, it probably wouldn't work, right?
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2760[17:22:06] <|aaron> seriously thank you though, your comment
really helped to figure that out. been driving me nuts
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2761[17:22:08] <JordiGH> I really am not looking forward to doing
a Debian installation.
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2764[17:22:32] <ikarosuusi> debian has been the best thing
I've encountered in a loooong while
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2765[17:22:33] <SpeakerToMeat> Yep it's only my machien that
adds those dependecies. I wonder why
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2767[17:22:39] <jelly> |aaron: (at some pointinthe past ifupdown
took vlan and bonding config over from scripts in ifenslave-2.6, not
sure if between wheezy and jessie, or between jessie and stretch)
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2768[17:22:45] <ikarosuusi> even wacom worked just by plugging it
in
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2770[17:22:54] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: yeah, it sounds like
you're trying to cross compile 64 bit on a 32 bit host. If
you're using a native architecture, you should have a
libgcc1:amd64 that it should be linking against.
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2771[17:22:56] <SpeakerToMeat> ANy way I can determine what
system thought those dependencies are needed so I can see if I can
determine why?
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2772[17:23:12] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: Correct, but I am on amd64
arch, compiling for amd64 arch
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2776[17:23:20] <ikarosuusi> now it seems OBS is installing
without some hassle I personally didn't create
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2778[17:23:50] <greycat> Hmm, the /etc/pam.d/sshd file on my
Debian 5.0.10 box is a dangling symlink pointing to "ssh"
which does not exist.
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2782[17:24:24] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: if you're sure of that,
you should be able to dump the lib64gcc1. I have to add i386 as a
foreign architecture before I can even install that.
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2785[17:24:40] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: How do I dump it though?
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2787[17:24:53] <tw> uninstall it and rebuild without it.
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2788[17:25:01] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: It's not on the
package's dependencies, it's auto added by the build
system
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2790[17:25:24] <|aaron> jelly: yeah definitely seems like its a
bit different in stretch
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2791[17:25:28] <greycat> I'm going to try "cp
sshd.dpkg-new ssh". But I'll keep this shell open....
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2795[17:26:01] <jelly> dpkg, qotd301 is
<reply><ikarosuusi> you autistic shithead motherfuckers
in the literal sense [...] <ikarosuusi> i have to say you
debian people are the best people in the world
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2796[17:26:02] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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2798[17:26:35] <jelly> that needed to be immoralized
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2799[17:26:42] <jelly> immortalized, too
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2800[17:26:52] <annadane> it was already immoralized
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2801[17:27:35] <greycat> dpkg, qotd302 is
<reply><jelly> that needed to be immoralized
<jelly> immortalized, too <annadane> it was already
immoralized
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2802[17:27:35] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2803[17:28:01] <annadane> ikarosuusi,
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2804[17:28:04] <annadane> !newcomer
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2805[17:28:04] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some
resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook:
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2806[17:28:05] <annadane> :D
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2807[17:28:16] <ikarosuusi> jelly yeah I have to admit your help
made me feel like I never want to be angry again in my life
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2808[17:29:05] <ikarosuusi> I mean I though that just a second
ago while grabbing a cup of coffee
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2809[17:29:17] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: you might want to check the
search path for ld.so. If you have both libgcc1:amd64 and
lib64gcc1:i386, I bet it picks up the first one it finds.
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2811[17:30:20] <ikarosuusi> annadane I'll store that bit
right away
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2813[17:30:35] <greycat> jelly: OK, tried it. On the
aforementioned Debian 5.0.10 box. I created the /etc/pam.d/ssh file
as indicated above, and then created an /etc/default/locale file
with LANG=en_US.utf8 in it. Then I ssh-ed in from my HP-UX box with
LANG=en_US.iso88591 and the resulting shell on the Deb5 has
LANG=en_US.utf8
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2816[17:31:14] <greycat> Having now tried it (again), I am going
to remove the /etc/default/locale file so that shit is no longer
broken.
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2817[17:31:16] <jelly> greycat: upgrade! HP-UX is dead!
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2818[17:31:24] * jelly hides
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2819[17:31:31] <greycat> Or maybe I'll just truncate it to 0
bytes.
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2820[17:31:54] <tw> if only that were true.
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2822[17:32:08] <greycat> Now when I login from HP-UX -> Deb5 I
get LANG=en_US.iso88591 as I should.
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2823[17:32:10] <jelly> oh, it's not dead yet
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2828[17:33:44] <arkoldthos> not just yet :(
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2829[17:34:15] <greycat> Hmm, deb6 and deb9 both seem to have
/etc/pam.d/sshd but not /etc/pam.d/ssh
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2831[17:34:27] <greycat> I wonder why the symlink went sshd ->
ssh
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2832[17:35:06] <greycat> Oh well. Not going to mess with the deb5
any further. On to the deb6.
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2838[17:37:01] <greycat> Results on deb6 are the same as on deb5
-- a LANG=en_US.UTF-8 entry in /etc/default/locale CLOBBERS what ssh
sends, and I end up with LANG=en_US.UTF-8 instead of
LANG=en_US.iso88591
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2843[17:38:19] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: They were beiogn added because
they were there...
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2844[17:39:06] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: you should figure out why you
had that package installed. Usually it is only installed for foreign
architecture support.
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2845[17:39:42] <greycat> Results on deb7 are the same as deb5 and
deb6. A LANG= value in /etc/default/locale overrides ssh.
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2848[17:40:40] <ikarosuusi> wow now I really need to chill down,
after all the trouble my head is almost hurting :D
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2849[17:40:44] <greycat> Results on deb8 are the same as deb5,
deb6, and deb7.
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2852[17:41:20] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: But on a native 64 bit arch it
makes no sense to have the i386 version of amd64 libraries so an
amd64 program can be compiled as i386 to run as a 64 bit program
running on 32 bit inside a 64 bit system-.....
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2854[17:41:32] <annadane> you can honestly learn a lot not just
by the documentation but by being in irc a lot
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2855[17:41:42] <annadane> i may add that to the factoid
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2857[17:41:56] <SpeakerToMeat> greycat: it might be either an
sshd or a profile setting?
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2858[17:42:13] <greycat> Results on deb9 are the same as deb5
through deb8. OK, jelly. I have officially "tried it".
Nothing has changed.
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2859[17:42:26] <ikarosuusi> instead of psytrance I'll listen
to some j-pop jazz piano while figuring out the streaming to twitch
part of OBS studio install process
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2860[17:42:31] <SpeakerToMeat> Sigh I need to backup all this 1Tb
of hdd and upgrade to stretch soon
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2861[17:42:37] <jelly> greycat: well now, I stand corrected!
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2863[17:43:15] <freitag772> Hello, I am trying to extend the hard
drive space of a local-lvm, I have tried several tutorials but
it's just not working. Can anyone help out?
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2865[17:43:38] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: that's not what is
happening. It's the "same" library in a different
location. The dynamic linker is finding it first and it satisfies
the link requirements of your program. I suspect the automatic
dependency calculator special-cases libc, libgcc, and libc++ and
just autocalcs the dep based on ldd's output.
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2866[17:43:43] <ikarosuusi> just recently I got rid of all my
data, like 4TB of drawings and stuff, so it's pretty prime that
this debian is working correctly, as this is only thing I've
left from all these years.
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2869[17:44:04] <annadane> freitag772, first off i'd say
don't follow tutorials unless you know they're correct;
the internet can be wrong/outdated and can lead to screwing up your
system
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2871[17:44:49] <freitag772> annadane, Yea, I have already messed
this VM up several times with parted
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2872[17:45:07] <freitag772> annadane, but luckily I have a clone
so it's all good
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2873[17:45:15] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, what is the
"best" way in stretch to "force" a default Xorg
resolution or dummy monitor?
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2874[17:45:37] <tw> SpeakerToMeat: xrandr, most likely.
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2875[17:45:48] <jelly> and it's #408209
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2876[17:45:49] <judd> Bug
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2877[17:45:58] <jelly> er, #408029
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2878[17:45:59] <judd> Bug
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2880[17:46:25] <ikarosuusi> also I'd like to add that it
doesn't even feel like the debian from 2011, things seem
consistent now, and fluid but solid, like jelly
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2881[17:46:34] <freitag772> annadane, do you know how to extend
the hard drive space of an already encrypted volume?
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2883[17:47:10] <annadane> 'fraid not
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2886[17:47:47] <tw> if you extend the underlying storage, it
automatically grows when you luksOpen.
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2887[17:49:28] <SpeakerToMeat> tw: via cli? hmm that might be a
good idea, I'll try
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2889[17:50:18] <SpeakerToMeat> My trouble is, I'm setting up
a headless machine with full gui, to nomachien into it, but
nomachine doesn't work like this because xorg will not set a
reoslution or screen if there's no attached screen,. so I need
to "fix" a resolution or dummy screen
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2892[17:51:19] <jelly> freitag772: if you extend the underlying
block device, on next luksOpen luks will use the new size
automagically apparently
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2902[17:56:03] <greycat> The more I think about it, the more I
think that Pluggable AUTHENTICATION Modules is not really the right
place to be setting up a session environment.
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2903[17:56:31] <jelly> that ship has sadly passed a long time ago
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2905[17:56:58] <tw> freitag772: it's more that
luks/cryptsetup is not specifically size-aware. It builds a dm entry
based on whatever it is backed with. You can specify a size
manually, but in my experience that's extremely uncommon. There
may be an option to online-resize a mapping, but I've never
tried it. Once the crypto mapping is updated, you'll have to
grow your filesystem normally (eg, resize2fs).
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2906[17:57:12] <greycat> Did it? I mean, it's a ship with 11
year old untouched bugs, and now we have all this new systemd
infrastructure.
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2909[17:57:44] <jelly> that just means pam_systemd gets added to
the mix
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2910[17:58:05] <freitag772> tw, can you help out specifically?
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2914[17:58:21] <freitag772> tw, i tried to extend sda5_crypt but
it gives an error
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2916[17:58:44] <tw> greycat: and fantastically difficult
documentation. Like creating an (X+Y or Z) authentication scheme.
Skip how many lines you say?
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2917[17:58:49] <jelly> freitag772: can you pastebin your
"lsblk" output
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2918[17:58:59] <freitag772> jelly, sure, one sec
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2919[18:00:09] <freitag772> jelly,
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2924[18:02:44] <jelly> freitag772: so you need to grow block
devices from the bottom level up. Extend /dev/sda5 first, then
(re)boot which will make luks see new size, then pvresize
/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt, then you can lvextend the LV (and the
filesystem right away if you add -r)
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2927[18:03:41] <freitag772> jelly, that makes sense.. do I use
parted for that?
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2929[18:03:51] <tw> freitag772: make sure your backups are up to
date before attempting that operation.
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2930[18:04:16] <jelly> freitag772: parted ought to work for the
partition resize. Or fdisk or sfdisk or whatever.
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2931[18:05:00] <jelly> with older tools you have to delete the
existing partition and make a larger one starting from exactly the
same place
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replaced-url
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2942[18:07:37] <jelly> freitag772: if you're using virtual
machines, messing with partitions can be avoided by creating VMs
with two disks, a small one for just boot loader and one partition
for /boot, and second large one used directly as LVM PV or luks,
without any partitions
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2944[18:08:09] <jelly> growing the whole disk is easier than
growing partitions
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2945[18:08:50] <freitag772> Right, I am new to all this
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2950[18:09:10] <freitag772> jelly, Looks like in parted it has an
extended size
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2951[18:09:20] <freitag772> df -h does not show the reflection
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2953[18:09:33] <tw> df is only mounted filesystems.
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2954[18:09:45] <jelly> freitag772: the kernel usually cannot see
new state of partition table on disk if any partitions are in use
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2955[18:10:10] <jelly> but you also have two more layers between
partition and df (filesystem)
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2957[18:11:01] <jelly> freitag772: if you grew the partition, you
can continue with later steps by rebooting
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2958[18:11:20] <freitag772> this is what it looks like in parted:
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2959[18:11:21] <jelly> (in theory, "partprobe" ought to
work but usually doesn't)
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2960[18:11:40] <freitag772> I will reboot the vm real quick
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2963[18:12:07] <jelly> freitag772: why did you leave half the
disk still unpartitioned?
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2965[18:12:56] <freitag772> I thought I gave 50% of it to the
"extended" and the other 50% to logical
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2968[18:13:30] <tw> in MBR, extended is the storage space for all
logical parts.
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2969[18:13:44] <jelly> "extended" is actually a
container for logical
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2971[18:14:08] <jelly> you should not have to care about the
extended /dev/sda2 manually with parted
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2972[18:15:08] <freitag772> I am not sure what to do now
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2973[18:15:35] <jelly> grow sda5 to fill the remaining space
presumably
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2974[18:15:48] <jelly> and reboot again
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2975[18:15:51] <freitag772> ... /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt (10.5GB)
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2977[18:16:08] <jelly> that was expected, yes
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2980[18:16:29] <jelly> because you did > then (re)boot which
will make luks see new size,
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2981[18:17:03] <freitag772> trying to grow sda5 to 100% gives
this error: Error: Can't have overlapping partitions.
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2984[18:18:31] <freitag772> Ok, so I extended number 2 first,
then 5
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2985[18:18:43] <freitag772> 5 257MB 21.5GB 21.2GB logical
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2987[18:19:11] <freitag772> And that is all the space
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2989[18:19:56] <freitag772> You may need to update /etc/fstab.
Can I use mount -a?
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2991[18:20:16] <jelly> no and no need to
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2992[18:20:36] <freitag772> just restart again?
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2994[18:20:56] <jelly> yes, you're just repeating the first
two steps
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2997[18:21:25] <freitag772> Right, and then what should I do
after?
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3006[18:22:26] <jelly> all the other steps I wrote, probably
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3007[18:22:55] <jelly> > freitag772: so you need to grow block
devices from the bottom level up. Extend /dev/sda5 first, then
(re)boot which will make luks see new size, then pvresize
/dev/mapper/sda5_crypt, then you can lvextend the LV (and the
filesystem right away if you add -r)
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3011[18:23:39] <jelly> freitag772: you can verify sizes of LVM PV
with "pvs" before and after resizing, and of LVM LV with
"lvs"
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3013[18:24:57] <freitag772> lvextend /dev/mapper/web1--vg-root ?
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3023[18:26:58] <jelly> freitag772: yes, if you add -r to that,
lvextend will automatically call resize2fs for you and grow the
filesystem structures
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3024[18:27:13] <jelly> um, sorry, no
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3025[18:27:32] <jelly> you need to tell lvextend how much of the
space available to use
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3026[18:27:38] <freitag772> lvextend -L15G
/dev/mapper/web1--vg-root
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3031[18:28:32] <jelly> yes. You can tell it to -l 100%FREE but
leaving some free space makes you able to use lvm snapshots if you
want
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3033[18:29:26] <freitag772> and then the end needs to be
resize2fs?
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3034[18:29:37] <jelly> or just add -r to lvextend
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3035[18:30:17] <freitag772> appears to have worked
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3036[18:30:39] <jelly> (it figures out which command to use, if
you have xfs it will use xfs_growfs or something, if you have ext3
or ext4 it will use resize2fs)
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3037[18:30:48] <jelly> then that's it
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3038[18:30:57] <tw> lvm snapshot is risky business <.<
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3039[18:31:03] <jelly> not really
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3040[18:31:06] <freitag772> jelly, thanks so much
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3042[18:31:15] <annadane> i don't plan on doing this but
just for theoretical interest how difficult would it be to backport
the latest python for personal use?
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3044[18:31:17] <tw> iirc, if it runs out of blocks, it will
corrupt without warning.
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3048[18:31:58] <jelly> annadane: backporting python itself not
too much. Verifying it doesn't break anything that uses
/usr/bin/python3? Real hard.
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3049[18:32:06] <annadane> yeah
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3050[18:32:25] <annadane> but yeah just a theoretical question.
i'm perfectly fine with the one in stable
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3051[18:32:37] <jelly> tw: the snapshot just goes read-only or
offline, don't remember
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3052[18:32:50] <jelly> tw: the base device is unaffected
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3057[18:34:34] <jelly> it's happened more than once, at
$work we do monthly image backups for physical servers using lvm
snaps and if there are too many changes, the snapshot fills up its
allocated percentage and goes tits up
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3059[18:34:57] <tw> jelly: I'd think they would both have to
go offline, because both are COW.
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3060[18:35:13] <jelly> lvm2 does things the other way
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3061[18:35:34] <jelly> changes always go to the original dev
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3068[18:38:48] <tw> jelly: Are you using preallocated LVs? Are
you using contiguous LVs?
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3069[18:39:16] <jelly> not using thin provisioning if that's
what you're asking
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3071[18:40:06] <jelly> so LVs are preallocated, but contiguous
doesn't matter
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3073[18:40:25] <tw> My understanding is that it prevents block
relocation.
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3074[18:40:36] <jelly> what does?
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3075[18:40:43] <tw> contiguous.
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3076[18:41:29] <tw> Not on the drive itself, I mean remapping
stuff in place.
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3078[18:41:54] <jelly> I have no idea how that would work with
snapshots
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3079[18:42:16] <jelly> because they clearly have to break that
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3081[18:43:20] <RoyK> lvm snapshots aren't really good, they
create a *ton* of iops - iirc an extra IOP per snapshot, which
isn't very good
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3083[18:44:22] <RoyK> write -> lvm without a snapshot, wrote
-> snapshot -> snapshot -> snapshot -> lvm with three
snapshots
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3084[18:44:29] <RoyK> tht shit doesn't scale too well
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3085[18:44:29] <jelly> that's the drawback, each write to
orig dev has to become one read and two writes
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3086[18:44:40] <jelly> yeah, n+1 writes
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3087[18:44:52] <RoyK> compare that to zfs ;)
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3088[18:44:58] <tw> It'd be nice if it merged those
secondary writes.
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3090[18:45:09] <jelly> but on the other hand, shit doesn't
stop in case of out-of-space conditions
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3091[18:45:19] <tw> so it was always at most +1 read +1 write.
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3092[18:45:36] <RoyK> TmvC: no, it doesn't work that way -
with zfs, new writes goes to new blocks and a pointer is changed -
same wth btrfs, but not as efficient
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3093[18:45:59] <jelly> so I can live with snapshots being second
hand citizen
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3094[18:46:22] <RoyK> tm, that was for you btww
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3095[18:46:40] <RoyK> jelly: with zfs, you can have thousands of
snaps without affecting performance
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3096[18:46:40] <jelly> tm<tab> does not expand to tm? :-)
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3097[18:46:48] <jelly> tw *
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3098[18:46:49] <greycat> on the other other hand, LVM is actually
*there* and *tested* and has been for years, and zfs is... some
wacko left-field alien future sci-fi crap that may one day exist
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3099[18:46:56] <RoyK> that is, you'll need another 1GB of
RAM per 10k snapshots, though
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3100[18:47:24] <jelly> zfs has probably been used and tested more
than linux implementation of lvm2. Just not necessarily on Linux :-)
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3101[18:47:26] <RoyK> greycat: I've been working with zfs
for 10 years - it works well
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3103[18:47:31] <tw> RoyK: And you have to do a synchronous
(journaled) metadata write if you want to be compliant.
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3104[18:47:38] <tw> *coherent
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3105[18:47:50] <RoyK> tw: zfs has that
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3106[18:47:55] <greycat> RoyK: oh, then I should migrate my
production mission-critical app on wheezy from LVM to zfs, right?
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3108[18:48:47] <jelly> I'd trust zfs over btrfs or bcachefs
or whatever new thing, esp. if I had some experience with it
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3109[18:48:54] <RoyK> greycat: up to you, but I haven't seen
any issues on zfs so far, after those years, half of them on linux,
that is, unless I've done something exceedingly stupid as
turning on dedup
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3111[18:49:13] <RoyK> I've tried that as well
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3112[18:49:16] <RoyK> not a good idea
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3116[18:49:45] <greycat> No thanks. I'll stick with things
that are actually supported.
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3118[18:49:56] <jelly> RoyK: there's probably a reason why
vmware's vsan only does dedup and compression on all-flash
setups
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3120[18:50:22] <jelly> disks + ssd? nope, no compression, no
dedup
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3122[18:50:48] <RoyK> greycat: and btw, I setup a wheezy machine
some four years back with zfs, striped mirrors, 80TiB net storage,
and it's worked like a dream for that time, around 100% I/O
24x7 - some 140 CCTV cameras streaming to it
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3123[18:50:53] <jelly> (they use a single ssd for both cache and
write logging unlike zfs)
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3125[18:51:15] <RoyK> jelly: no idea about VSAN - only slightly
tested it in the lab
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3126[18:51:45] <RoyK> zfs with lz4 compression is preferred over
non-compressed - it's usually faster than non-compressed on
spinning rust, and sometimes on ssd's
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3128[18:52:04] <jelly> lz4 is something like lzop right?
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3129[18:52:30] <RoyK>
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3132[18:53:32] <jelly> lzo* then
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3133[18:53:38] <jelly> and lz4 page says yes
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3139[18:54:32] <RoyK> jelly: [lz4] gives a slightly worse
compression ratio than the LZO algorithm – which in turn is
worse than algorithms like gzip. However, compression speeds are
similar to LZO and several times faster than gzip while
decompression speeds can be significantly faster than LZO.[1]
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3140[18:54:57] <protectionfault> Hi. Is this the right place to
ask about spectre v2? I have an affected cpu and I would like to get
some practical advice on my relative risk and mitigation options. I
am running Debian9, have hyperthreading disabled and the microcode
is installed. Am I still vulnerable, if yes, in what way? Thanks!
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3142[18:55:35] <RoyK> jelly: I've tested lz4 on zfs with
video data writes - the overhead is negligible
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3143[18:55:58] <jelly> RoyK: is it worth anything for video, tho?
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3144[18:56:03] <somiaj> protectionfault: the debian 9 kernel
should have all teh ratpoline in it now to help the software side of
the protection. Microcode (though firmware update from your hardware
vendor) is also needed
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3145[18:56:13] <annadane> i believe if you're running the
latest (4.9.0-6) kernel in stretch the answer should be the same for
everyone; there's a spectre-meltdown-checker package to check
if you're affected, though
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3146[18:56:16] <RoyK> jelly: no, it was a test - I ran it for a
week or so to check
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3149[18:56:40] <RoyK> protectionfault: don't think
hyperthreading is related there - better keep it enabled with a
modern cpu
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3150[18:56:46] <annadane> ,v spectre-meltdown-checker
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3151[18:56:46] <somiaj> annadane: afiak you need a
firmware/micrcode update to take advantage of all the new features
in the kernel, but this debian can't provdie.
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3152[18:56:47] <judd> Package: spectre-meltdown-checker on amd64
-- stretch-backports: 0.35-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.35-1; sid: 0.35-1
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3153[18:56:49] <protectionfault> annadane: thanks, I did not know
about that package
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3154[18:56:51] <annadane> ah, backports
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3155[18:56:59] <protectionfault> gotcha
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3158[18:57:26] <greycat> Debian does provide (in non-free)
microcode, but it may not be the bleeding-edgiest version yet, and
it won't cover firmware.
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3160[18:57:39] <RoyK> protectionfault: ht was rather slow when it
first arrived, but with today's way faster memory, it's
fast
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3161[18:57:54] <ikarosuusi> AHHA! look! jelly and everyone! now
it is working!
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3162[18:57:57] <ikarosuusi>
replaced-url
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3164[18:58:06] <ikarosuusi> i will start drawin in less than 10
minutes
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3165[18:58:23] <ikarosuusi> if someone is interested in nonsense
stream watching then I have the prime spot now
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3166[18:58:46] <annadane> okay though advertising is generally
frowned on
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3168[18:58:50] <protectionfault> RoyK, greycat, thanks. Also,
greycat, what do you mean "won't cover firmware?"
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3170[18:58:57] <ikarosuusi> no it's not advertising
it's sharing the joy
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3171[18:59:01] * annadane shrugs
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3172[18:59:09] <greycat> Firmware updates have to come from your
firmware's manufacturer.
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3173[18:59:09] <ikarosuusi> oh wait don't come to watch my
stream
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3174[18:59:12] <somiaj> greycat: yea, I don't htink the
microcode in stretch has been updated since meltdown, though major
hardawre vendors have only gotten a non buggy version out
recentally. -- ahh looks like they now provide marches update in
stretch-backports.
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3175[18:59:19] <ikarosuusi> nothing to witness there
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3176[18:59:29] <ikarosuusi> you can rest assured i got my debian
working
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3178[18:59:39] <somiaj> I would usggest a full firmware upgrade
form your vendor, though stretch-backports does have new
intel-microcode if needed
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3180[18:59:50] <ikarosuusi> I'm sorry I didn't know the
policy
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3181[19:00:08] <jelly> too late, now I'm watching someone
drawing doodles on screen
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3183[19:00:14] <Guest42944> r u guys hurting ikarosuusi
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3186[19:00:52] <jelly> Guest42944: keep comments in here to tech
support please
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3187[19:00:53] <protectionfault> So to recap what I got from all
of you: I am vulnerable without the backports version of the
microcode?
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3188[19:01:02] <jelly> lest you want a longer ban than yesterday
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3190[19:01:23] <somiaj> protectionfault: You should get a
firmware update from your vendor.
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3192[19:01:49] <jelly> protectionfault: ths thing is, you'll
be vulnerable for a long time untill all the software implements
workarounds for spectre like kernel did.
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3193[19:02:08] <somiaj> protectionfault: the newer microcode
could help, but the firmware update from your vendor will include
the microcode any any vendor specific fixes.
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3195[19:02:17] <jelly> the microcode just enables some specific
workarounds to be possible at all
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3196[19:02:32] <greycat> Or until non-vulnerable CPUs actually
arrive.
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3198[19:02:40] <jelly> that's... not likely
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3200[19:03:17] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3203[19:03:34] <ikarosuusi> thanks for the kind care Guest42944!
I'm being well fostered here and all my troubles are being
addressed!
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3213[19:06:05] <protectionfault> greycat: rowhammer?! the more
you know. I came here for reassurance, not more anxiety. ;)
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3218[19:07:54] <annadane> i wonder if i should have
intel-microcode installed, i haven't bothered with it and not
received any message on startup indicating any errors/outdated
microcode
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3220[19:08:16] <greycat> If you have an intel CPU that isn't
super-old, yeah, you should probably install it.
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3221[19:08:17] <protectionfault> annadane: my current take on it
is that, yes, you should
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3231[19:11:30] <jelly> annadane: Debian isn't big on
warnings about outdated software
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3234[19:12:24] <annadane> i guess the stock answer is
"install it just to be safe"
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3235[19:12:30] <annadane> but... bleh
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3240[19:13:10] <annadane> but it's not even debian, i get no
messages in the bios, i mean
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3242[19:13:27] <somiaj> wonder why debian is providing the
micorcode via backports and not security, but I still suggest
getting the microcode/firmware from your hardware vendor if they
have it, seems many released a updated fix in march.
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3243[19:13:58] <somiaj> annadane: in my experience firmware
doen't check if it is out dated, you'll have to go check
yoru vendors site.
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3244[19:14:05] <protectionfault> somiaj, you mean my mainboard
manufacturer?
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3246[19:14:13] <protectionfault> Like, a BIOS update?
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3247[19:14:25] <greycat> Yes, "BIOS" is one specific
subset of firmware.
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3248[19:14:25] <annadane> somiaj, sorry, which microcode?
intel-microcode is available via regular stable
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3249[19:14:26] <somiaj> protectionfault: wll firmware, most
don't use BIOS instead they use UEFI
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3251[19:15:00] <annadane> also i _have_ gotten messages warning
about outdated stuff before
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3253[19:15:04] <somiaj> annadane: the version from stretch is
from 2017 before meltdown, stretch-backports contains a marh 2018
version that contains the fixes, though yoru vendor's firmware
has these fixes too
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3254[19:15:17] <protectionfault> as an old fart I refuse to call
my BIOS "the UEFI", because it makes me feel violated to
think about the atrocity that is UEFI.
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3259[19:15:42] <somiaj> protectionfault: for my machines, we have
dell desktop/servers and I have been just getting the updates from
del since they were released in march.
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3260[19:15:53] <somiaj> but if you build a machine, then yea,
your mobo manufacture.
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3261[19:15:55] <greycat> protectionfault: firmware is the general
term that covers both of them and more
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3267[19:16:49] <somiaj> protectionfault: uefi is actaully quite
nice, espically with firmware updates these days. I think you should
look into it more (though maybe you are just thinking about the
secure-boot feature which I dont' use)
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3270[19:17:10] <somiaj> also enjoy not needing grub anymore,
dualbooting with other uefi oses is easier and so on.
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3273[19:17:26] <annadane> well, the other thing i can do is get
spectre-meltdown-checker from backports and then google the
vulnerabilities i have and apply whatever fixes are relevant to
debian
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3277[19:17:40] <annadane> i don't want to install microcode
for the hell of it
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3279[19:18:08] <protectionfault> if you distrust the microcode
itself, better bin the cpu :)
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3280[19:18:18] <annadane> i guess
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3281[19:18:25] <annadane> well, fine, i'll just install it
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3284[19:19:29] <protectionfault> do some benchmarks, it might
speed up some things
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3290[19:21:05] <protectionfault> From a casual googling session I
gathered that disabling hyperthreading mitigates spectre v2. Is that
correct?
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3293[19:21:52] <protectionfault> obviously you incur a ~15%
performance hit for doing so, but I like to be sure it helps before
I do
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3296[19:22:48] <protectionfault> There is a lot of "media
outrage" but very little customer information for people who
are not infosec scientists.. :(
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3301[19:24:58] <somiaj> My understanding is you should upgrade
your firmware, upgrade your kernel (both are needed for some new
isolation features), and upgrade your browser so js timing
isn't sensitive to be exploited. I'm unsure if disabling
hyperthreading would add any additional protection while waiting for
other software that could be exploitd to be fixed.
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3309[19:26:15] <somiaj> And the only thing debian dosen't
provide in security is your vendors firmware update, the microcode
in stretch-backports could help if you don't have (or your
vendor doesn't provide) a firmware update for tis.
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3310[19:26:31] <protectionfault> somiaj: I like the features, but
I think the fundamentals are flawed because it allows a field
programmable array to be remotely manipulated. I like to think that
requiring physical access is a nice defense against a significant
percentage of bad guys. Thanks!
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3311[19:26:55] <annadane> i'm too lazy to research whether
the vendor has updated it so i'll just install the microcode
from backports and assume everything is fixed and change my password
to password
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3313[19:29:25] <protectionfault> I am running firefox-esr, but
it's unclear how safe that is.
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3315[19:30:09] <protectionfault> annadane: don't upgrade
your BIOS/UEFI without proper planning
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3316[19:30:13] <somiaj> protectionfault: You can track all of
these issues via CVE's and change log entries, firefox-esr is
an extended release that gets suecritu support.
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3317[19:30:19] <greycat> The version of intel-microcode in jessie
is newer than the version in jessie-backports, but OLDER than in
jessie-backports-sloppy. So I presume the version in stretch will
eventually catch up to stretch-backports, perhaps after people are
more confident it doesn't blow up.
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3318[19:31:05] <somiaj> yea, I'm unsrue why it wasn't
given via security, maybe still some issues before they deem it
ready to be a security fix that won't cause trouble.
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3319[19:31:07] <annadane> sigh
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3320[19:31:21] <annadane> well, my computer didn't explode
so it's probably fine
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3322[19:31:32] <somiaj> protectionfault: really depends a lot on
the hardware. Modern uefi hardware firmware updates are fairly
painless.
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3323[19:32:42] <somiaj> more and more machines can be updated by
just putting the update on a fat32 usb drive and doing it from
directly inside the firmware's tools.
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3324[19:32:51] <annadane> if i had paid more attention to this
channel months ago these exact same topics were being discussed and
i wouldn't be doing this now
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3327[19:33:27] <somiaj> annadane: the original firmware updates
were quite buggy and recalled, it is only in march they rereleased
them, so you aren't that far behind, only a few weeks.
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3328[19:33:38] <annadane> though these are also more spectre
vulnerabilities and not so much meltdown, so harder to exploit
anyway i believe
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3329[19:33:49] <annadane> far behind in what, stable or stable
backports?
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3333[19:34:21] <greycat> The version of intel-microcode (which is
NOT a firmware update) in stretch-backports is from March.
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3334[19:34:23] <somiaj> I mean in terms of timing to install the
microcode and/or firmware updaates
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3335[19:34:38] <annadane> i'm sure it's fine
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3336[19:34:40] <protectionfault> i have a nagging suspicion
we'll be learning about new spectre related problems for a long
time to come
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3338[19:34:49] <annadane> maybe maybe not
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3342[19:35:37] <Bookin> Anyone here know the default height in
pixels of the KDE or Gnome topbar/panel?
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3343[19:36:21] <somiaj> take a screen shot and measure? Use
something like xprop on the window
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3345[19:36:42] <greycat> Do whatever you are trying to do using a
guess, and if it doesn't fit, revise your guess.
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3347[19:37:03] <protectionfault> IIRC it's 48px
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3349[19:37:16] <greycat> Probably faster, easier, and more
accurate than finding someone who uses KDE or GNOME and actually
knows such a thing.
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3350[19:37:29] <Bookin> Yeah
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3351[19:37:33] <Bookin> Don't have either installed
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3353[19:37:41] <Bookin> Just looking to copy the screen size
fingerprint
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3355[19:38:17] <Bookin> I'll try 48
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3356[19:38:30] <annadane> the problem for the casual end-user is
that microcode is always this nebulous thing that not even that many
people even know about and then suddenly there's these new
vulnerabilities which are addressed by microcode and it takes the
culture a while to catch up
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3358[19:38:49] <annadane> and then as was mentioned the original
microcode was even recalled
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3359[19:39:01] <annadane> absolute security is a myth anyway
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3360[19:39:04] <greycat> Before spectre/meltdown, microcode was
basically there to fix bugs in the CPU, rather than exploits in the
CPU.
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3361[19:39:32] <protectionfault> microcode should always be
installed, even on windows it's better to check if your
manufacturer provides a more recent/secure version of the intel
chipset driver
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3363[19:40:17] <greycat> intel-microcode has nothing to do with
intel GPU
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3365[19:40:30] <annadane> yeah even for cpu bugs it's a good
idea to have
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3367[19:40:53] <protectionfault> my cpu is my GPU
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3368[19:41:05] <protectionfault> skylake..
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3371[19:41:50] <protectionfault> ok, excellent stuff. thanks for
your time everyone, have a great day.
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3375[19:43:17] <annadane> my specific issue was that in sid i did
get warnings of outdated microcode, in stable this didn't
happen, and i only just today remembered from discussions here a few
months ago that some of the vulnerabilities were addressed by a
microcode update, which i only learned today is the one from
backports and not stable and only missed it by a few weeks anyway
for a problem which isn't even likely to affect everybody
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3377[19:43:43] <annadane> but then per the discussions months ago
that original microcode was recalled regardless
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3378[19:44:03] <annadane> so okay, lesson learned, i should have
it installed anyway
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3383[19:45:12] <protectionfault> these decisions don't have
a right answer, it is more about proper reasoning being applied to
the specific situation, with very little information
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3386[19:45:51] <annadane> most security patches are not this
convuluted
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3387[19:45:55] <annadane> convoluted*
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3388[19:46:12] <protectionfault> let's hope it stays that
way :)
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3390[19:47:14] <annadane>
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3391[19:47:17] * annadane shrugs
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3393[19:47:41] <annadane> (how sensationalized that is, i
don't know)
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