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1 [00:00:16] <annadane> dury, or try #gnome
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4 [00:01:13] <dury> annadane, i appreciate your suggestions,
thanks indeed
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10 [00:03:09] <dury> sorry
11 [00:03:32] <dury> need to sleep though
12 [00:03:46] <dury> nite nite channel :-)
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23 [00:09:19] <iflema> =)
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27 [00:14:14] <WoC> Is there a max size for swap in 4.18.0-3 (64
bit) ?
28 [00:15:53] <akk> Back, still no response from
owner@bugs.debian.org
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32 [00:18:03] <akk> Aha! There's a List-Unsubscribe:
header. I should have looked through the headers first.
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34 [00:19:27] <akk> And it looks like that works.
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38 [00:20:07] <ryouma> the old technologies still work
39 [00:20:15] <ryouma> (better than the new ones)
40 [00:21:00] <iflema> stacking up?
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48 [00:25:36] <nailyk> hello. Is there anyway to prevent Stretch
to ask for luks passphrase at boot time (encrypted partition is not
/ ) . Already tried some /etc/crypttab trick as setting CRYPTDISK*
to no.
49 [00:25:44] <nailyk> (it is for a headless server)
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51 [00:26:08] <ryouma> don't mount?
52 [00:26:29] <ryouma> or use a file
53 [00:27:42] <nailyk> I won't put my passphrase on an
uncrypted partition. It is a non sens. But yes, I am trying Strecth
does not attempt to mount it autmagically as I do not have keyboard
on that machine ;)
54 [00:28:50] <nyov> nailyk: add a "noauto" option in
fstab, if it's in there. (untested)
55 [00:29:09] <nailyk> it is not into fstab :(
56 [00:29:23] <nailyk> I made that partition for some /backup
mountpoints
57 [00:30:30] <watchcat> don't encrypted automount
partitions use a different fstab? i forget the name. crypttab or
something,
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60 [00:30:55] <nailyk> oh sorry. Yes, I tried to add it into
crypttab with the noauto flag
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62 [00:32:49] <watchcat> just comment it out?
63 [00:33:33] <nailyk> I am currently trying a reboot without it
64 [00:34:11] <nailyk> I also tried to remove the module from
the /etc/mkinitSomething/module file without success
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66 [00:35:59] <nailyk> no more luck after removing the
/etc/crypttab entry
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69 [00:38:17] <watchcat> is it a common folder like /home or
something?
70 [00:38:39] <ryouma> for something you don't need you
don't need anything in those files. everything you can do with
them you can do manually.
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72 [00:39:05] <nailyk> I have an encrypted partitioni for /home
& /media/data
73 [00:40:37] <nailyk> ryouma: yes, it is what I am trying to
do. But since I formated the partition with luks the system does not
boot anymore.
74 [00:40:58] <ryouma> did you take it out of those files
completely
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76 [00:41:16] <ryouma> maybe your uuid are wrong
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80 [00:43:20] <nailyk> yes, no file mention thoses partitions
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82 [00:44:07] <nailyk> apt-get install cryptsetup ; reboot ->
everything is fine. cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda4 ; reboot ->
no way to connect anymore.
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84 [00:45:25] <ryouma> do boot partitions need labeling as such?
perhaps grub is getting its insane indirected loader from there.
85 [00:45:28] <thatpythonguy> if i have to log off my irc
client, is there a way to view (external application is fine) what i
missed?
86 [00:45:38] <ryouma> thatpythonguy: tehre are bouncers for
that
87 [00:46:13] <nailyk> thatpythonguy: you can connect from
matrix too. Not really a bouncer however.
88 [00:46:34] <ryouma> i never understood znc configuration so
do not use one
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91 [00:47:14] <spacedust> hi
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93 [00:47:28] <spacedust> i updated recently my system and now i
cant login via sddm login manager
94 [00:47:33] <spacedust> sessions is empty :(
95 [00:47:38] <spacedust> i can login via console
96 [00:47:55] <spacedust> how could i fix this issue ?
97 [00:48:09] <spacedust> i have no idea what could had broked
it , i updated many many things
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112 [01:00:46] <makeway> Hey, I'm really looking for some
help getting vsync working here. I'm running stretch with xfce
on an Acer laptop with a Nvidia GT 730M. I'm gonna explain what
I've tried so far.
113 [01:01:08] <spacedust> i see no session in sddm or lightdm or
slim login manager , i tried these 3, what could i check for ?
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116 [01:02:13] <makeway> I'm running the 390 drivers from
stretch-backports. I have Nvidia Optimus set up based on the
instructions in the arch wiki page about it.
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119 [01:03:11] <makeway> I have tried the nvidia-settings options
to "ForceCompositionPipeline" and
"ForceFullCompositionPipeline" which both seem to be the
main recommendations.
120 [01:03:47] <makeway> I have tried compton configured with glx
backend and "opengl-swc" vsync
121 [01:04:03] <makeway> I have tried several answers in this
thread
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125 [01:04:51] <makeway> The first and last things I tried always
make it so lightdm never loads.
126 [01:05:00] <spacedust> hahh im missing /usr/bin/startkde ...
pfff ... too many changed on my box :) its messed up :)
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128 [01:05:37] <makeway> I have to alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a
terminal and reset the changes (whether they were an xorg.conf file
or something from that ubuntu thread)
129 [01:05:42] <spacedust> i dont have a startkde anymore ?
130 [01:05:52] <hypn0> why replace the login spacedust
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132 [01:06:10] <makeway> All those messages explain my problem as
best I can. I hope someone can help my try some more stuff.
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134 [01:08:02] <spacedust> hypn0: i just tried was thinking that
the problem :)
135 [01:08:07] <spacedust> hypn0: i change it back now to sddm
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137 [01:08:47] <spacedust> hypn0: i now see that i have exec
/usr/bin/startkde in .xsession of the user i login to
138 [01:08:55] <spacedust> but im missing /usr/bin/startkde :)
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140 [01:09:30] <spacedust> hypn0: im also missing
/usr/share/xsessions
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142 [01:09:37] <spacedust> hypn0: could you tell me how to start
kde ?
143 [01:10:08] <hypn0> use openbox :-) no
144 [01:10:15] <spacedust> pfff
145 [01:10:19] <hypn0> startkde?
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147 [01:10:27] <spacedust> i dont have startkde command !
148 [01:10:35] <spacedust> missing that
149 [01:10:56] <spacedust> i will admit im on unstable :)
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151 [01:11:07] <hypn0> kdestart?
152 [01:11:11] <spacedust> but i just wanted to migrate my system
153 [01:11:19] <spacedust> nope no kdestart neither
154 [01:11:27] <spacedust> and foolishly did an update :(
155 [01:11:35] <spacedust> i need stuff from kde and from X
156 [01:11:37] <hypn0>
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157 [01:11:43] <aaii> Hi, I have problem now in choosing laptop
for programming and Data Science & ML and using GNU/Linux
Debian. I cant choice between Dell xps 13 developer edition running
Ubuntu and Thinkpad T470
158 [01:11:43] <spacedust> im on terminal :)
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161 [01:12:14] <spacedust> aaii: xps laptops are nice last time i
seen , not sure about that t470
162 [01:12:20] <spacedust> hypn0: what does it say ?
163 [01:12:42] <spacedust> i could open it in links if i could
copy the link
164 [01:13:15] <hypn0> a lot of stuff abt sddm
165 [01:13:16] <aaii> spacedust, I think they are too thin and
maybe i break xps and really i hate ubuntu :D
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167 [01:13:49] <spacedust> hypn0: reading it, but my problem is
not related to sddm
168 [01:14:03] <awal1> dpkg: asleep?
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170 [01:14:03] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, asleep is
some wacko Free Software zelot.
171 [01:14:04] <crippledmonk> I'm using a fully rugged older
GD8000 with stretch. touch and gps work also
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173 [01:14:28] <makeway> What are some of the specific things
you're comparing between the two?
174 [01:14:34] <makeway> LikeSOrry
175 [01:14:34] <hypn0> The first thing that comes to mind is that
the initial display manager theme used when nobody is logged in ?
176 [01:14:41] <makeway> Oops, that as late
177 [01:14:45] <dtux> does anyone know if there is an RFP/ITP for
docker-ce?
178 [01:14:48] <spacedust> aaii: then pick the other one ? :)
179 [01:15:44] <hypn0> My issue lay in sddm.service - it
wasn't enabled. After enabling it, sddm does what it suppose to
- starts its log in screen on startup. Pretty simple?
180 [01:16:17] <makeway> aaii: I can definitely vouch for the
T470
181 [01:16:26] <makeway> aaii: What are some of the specific
things you're comparing?
182 [01:16:28] <aaii> spacedust, i dont know really which one,
for that i asked. But XPS have quad core and T470 have 2 core
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184 [01:17:46] <makeway> aaii: I could have sworn the T470 had a
model with quad core.
185 [01:17:50] <makeway> The t480 does at least.
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188 [01:18:26] <aaii> makeway, T470 have 4 core?
189 [01:18:49] <makeway> I thought there was a configuration that
had it, yeah. Idk, I'm probably wrong if you couldn't find
one though.
190 [01:18:52] <spacedust> hypn0: no im missing the startkde file
! and the /usr/share/xsessions directory
191 [01:19:35] <aaii> makeway,
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194 [01:20:18] <makeway> Which xps 13 release are you comparing?
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196 [01:20:23] <makeway> Is there a large price difference?
197 [01:21:07] <aaii> makeway, this :
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198 [01:21:15] <aaii> sorry :|
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202 [01:22:47] <makeway> I personally own a t480 and I've
loved it since I bought it. That said, that xps 13 looks like the
better option of those two.
203 [01:23:00] <makeway> I really like thinkpad's quality,
but I've only heard good things about the recent xps's as
well
204 [01:23:07] <makeway> So yeah, that's all I know aaii
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206 [01:24:11] <makeway>
replaced-url
207 [01:24:12] <makeway> There's this
208 [01:24:15] <aaii> makeway, so between this xps and t470 i
should buy which one? :D
209 [01:24:28] <makeway> Between those two, I'd recommend
the xps
210 [01:25:29] <makeway> I don't have that much experience,
but I spent a good few months researching laptops before choosing my
thinkpad. One of the xps's was pretty much the only other
option when I got done with all the comparison
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223 [01:30:04] <spacedust> so how can i fix missing
/usr/bin/startkde ?
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225 [01:31:01] <Sveta> this is not a part of any package
according to
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230 [01:33:07] <spacedust> can anyone paste startkde ?
231 [01:33:26] <spacedust> Sveta: wow
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233 [01:33:42] <spacedust> Sveta: i remember doing something to
make it work last time :)
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235 [01:33:52] <spacedust> Sveta: probably heavily modded :)
236 [01:34:02] <spacedust> Sveta: so how do i go about starting
kde then ?
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238 [01:34:58] <akk> apt-file search startkde says it's in
plasma-workspace
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240 [01:35:17] <spacedust> akk: can i reinstall that ?
241 [01:35:29] <akk> spacedust: Why not?
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243 [01:35:46] <spacedust> akk: huhhh apt remove plasma-workspace
no such package
244 [01:35:49] <spacedust> niiiice :)
245 [01:36:11] <akk> Oh, I'm on testing, stable might be
different.
246 [01:36:12] <spacedust> 53 new installed for apt install
plasma-workspace :) lol nicely upgraded it ...
247 [01:36:26] <spacedust> im on unstable ...
248 [01:36:37] <spacedust> want to migrate away just need my
stuff from plasma :)
249 [01:37:01] <spacedust> apparently im missing plasma-workspace
and 53 packages
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252 [01:37:34] <spacedust> okay well i installed it and what do
you know startkde is ther e:)
253 [01:37:42] <akk> That's normal for KDE stuff. Every time
I think about trying some KDE app it turns out I'd need to
install 87 dependencies.
254 [01:37:58] <spacedust> but i had working kde when i upgraded
:)
255 [01:38:01] <akk> It's too bad since some of their apps
are apparently pretty good.
256 [01:38:08] <spacedust> i did do a blind autoremove
257 [01:38:19] <spacedust> somehow plasma-workspace got removed
apparently
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259 [01:39:51] <spacedust> well now started plasma but nothing
happening , i got a message All shell packages missing or something
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262 [01:40:31] <spacedust> great i have a nonworking system :(
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266 [01:41:01] <amikot40> Hello Everyone :)
267 [01:41:07] <spacedust> hmm cant start chromium
268 [01:41:09] <makeway> Hey amikot40!
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270 [01:42:17] <spacedust> well , maybe lxde will help :)
271 [01:42:39] <amikot40> I know that this is not exactly proper
channel for my question, but I have debian on my PC, and know that
this comunity has more knowledge than any other. So ...
272 [01:42:40] <ph0> spacedust
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274 [01:42:52] <ph0> have you tried aptitude install
~t^kde-desktop$
275 [01:42:57] <spacedust> no
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278 [01:43:59] <spacedust> ph0: i have a kali + some other repos
+ unstable + frankendeb :) just need some stuff from this system and
need to install a new one this one got messed up hard now :) its not
my only OS but i need stuff from it :)
279 [01:44:13] <amikot40> I did set zerotier-one up on my linux
router (DD-WRT). It is running as should - apart of one thing. I can
ping other machines from routers ash, but I cant ping the router
from other machines. Not answering on any port. On desktop it works
as should, but on router it doesnt.
280 [01:44:15] <spacedust> ph0: that command : 0 packages
upgraded, 293 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
281 [01:44:31] <spacedust> Need to get 134 MB/146 MB of archives.
After unpacking 586 MB will be used.
282 [01:44:38] <spacedust> guess i autoremoved kde :)
283 [01:45:13] <amikot40> So basically my qustion is - how to
diagnose what is blocking communication between zerotier network
interface and router ? Maybe I should set a link or firewall rule ?
284 [01:45:16] <ph0> that installs the task kde-desktop so, it
should be complete when it finished with no problems
285 [01:45:46] <amikot40> Is there way to trace, why signal is
not comming trough ?
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288 [01:46:10] <spacedust> ph0: thanks im running it , lets see
ill let you know, meanwhile i also installed lxde, but even if it
works, hope so, i will get stuff i need and migrate to debian stable
:)
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290 [01:47:50] <amikot40> Im asking here because people on
zerotier-one and dd-wrt channels seems to know nothing. And people
on general #linux channel are not very interested to talk about
technical issues.
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292 [01:48:28] <makeway> Hope someone who knows what you're
up to can talk to you about it amikot40.
293 [01:48:29] <ph0> spacedust, maybe you encounter less problems
doing dpkg --get-selections
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295 [01:48:42] <ph0> dpkg --get-selections >
installed_packages
296 [01:48:42] * dpkg selects ph0's ultra-s3kr3t collection
297 [01:49:08] <ph0> ant later dpkg --set-selections <
installed_packages from a fresh install
298 [01:49:16] <ph0> but pff , good luck xD
299 [01:51:04] <spacedust> ph0: thank you very much system back
as it was :) cool thanks thanks
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302 [01:53:24] <amikot40> makeway, hopefully - thing is that
since week im trying to google solution, but there is nothing realy
helpful, and to be honest, I even can't invent good query to
google, as problem is complicated.
303 [01:54:03] <ph0> amikot40
304 [01:54:28] <amikot40> zerotier-one support is blaming dd-wrt
guys, and sending to them, and vice versa - dd-wrt people say that
its zerotier-one issue :D
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306 [01:54:41] <ph0> have you checked what happens on layer2
between 2 machines?
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308 [01:55:18] <ph0> with arping
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335 [02:14:00] <nyov> amikot40: you can't ping the dd-wrt
router? is icmp firewalled?
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339 [02:14:53] <nyov> if the router has a firewall and it drops
icmp ping packets, you could try to tcp-ping
340 [02:15:22] <amikot40> I switched the firewall off and now I
can ping
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344 [02:15:41] <amikot40> but what to do now ?
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346 [02:16:36] <amikot40> If firewall doesn't prevent LAN
from PINGing, but doing this with my VPN - isn't that mean its
treated as WAN network ?
347 [02:16:42] <nyov> depends on what you want to do. if the
interface is facing the internet, I'd keep discarding the icmp
packets. (paranoia)
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349 [02:17:26] <amikot40> nyov: this is my VPN - I want to have
access to my samba server (running on router) trough it.
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352 [02:17:40] <amikot40> I cant do it when firewall block it
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355 [02:18:15] <nyov> then fix the firewall? :D
356 [02:18:18] <amikot40> I want to move this interface to
"trusted zone".
357 [02:18:37] <amikot40> question how :D
358 [02:18:39] <amikot40> ?
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360 [02:19:21] <nyov>
replaced-url
361 [02:19:42] <nyov> likely it's plain iptables. no idea if
it has a useable web-frontend
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363 [02:21:30] <amikot40> its not iptables that is blocking this
- its SPI firewall
364 [02:21:44] <amikot40> I quess thats not the same that
IPTables :D
365 [02:21:51] <thatpythonguy> when i run a command, like
'pulseaudio', how do i see what file that command is
actually executing?
366 [02:21:57] <amikot40> IPTables are still on in here
367 [02:22:21] <nyov> thatpythonguy: which $command
368 [02:22:35] <amikot40> thatpythonguy, you may use top or htop
or any other process manager
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371 [02:22:53] <thatpythonguy> 'which' is exactly what
i was looking for, thank you
372 [02:22:54] <nyov> e.g. "file `which pulseaudio`"
373 [02:23:01] <nyov> np
374 [02:23:11] <amikot40> thats usefull :D
375 [02:23:29] <amikot40> never used that, after 15 years on
linux D:
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390 [02:33:09] <amikot40> nyov: question is why zerotier
interface is treated by router as WAN not as LAN when its VPN. for
me VPN is kind of LAN. Only connected by me clients can be in.
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393 [02:35:42] <nyov> amikot40: I think it's mainly that
dd/open-wrt boxes think themselves as internet routers first
394 [02:37:02] <nyov> I flashed dd-wrt on some old wlan AP a
decade ago or so and that doesn't have a WAN interface at all,
but the web frontend still showed wan options
395 [02:37:13] <amikot40> but its a linux on them, so there
should be way to program it from the back ... command line
396 [02:37:35] <nyov> sure. ssh into it and then you can do
anything
397 [02:37:52] <amikot40> thats what I'm doing
398 [02:37:58] <amikot40> but how to do it ?
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400 [02:38:08] <ph0> well
401 [02:38:08] <ph0> route and sysctl ip4 forwarding
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403 [02:38:50] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=0
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405 [02:39:01] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv6.conf.all.ip_forward=0
406 [02:39:15] <ph0> systemctl net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=0
407 [02:39:31] <nyov> why
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409 [02:39:48] <ph0> well removeing the routes should be enough
410 [02:39:54] <nyov> and it's sysctl
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412 [02:40:11] <nyov> or is that some systemd version?
413 [02:40:19] <ph0> yes sorry xDDD
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416 [02:40:47] <nyov> well. never know, could have been a systemd
variant for doing it. haha
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418 [02:40:57] <ph0> sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=0
419 [02:41:06] <ph0> sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=0
420 [02:41:11] <ph0> ;,)
421 [02:41:16] <ph0> too late here XD
422 [02:41:55] <ph0> but
423 [02:42:01] <amikot40> but I doesn't want to touch real
WAN ... I just want VPN be visible as LAN and not filtered by
firewall
424 [02:43:03] <ph0> well, what i've read
425 [02:43:09] <amikot40> now router is setting VPN as WAN - so
it is behind its massive firewalls and who know what else
426 [02:44:17] <ph0> but the thing is
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428 [02:44:24] <ph0> all th eleements should be a zerotier client
429 [02:44:31] <ph0> so when you want to communicate
430 [02:44:36] <ph0> A with B
431 [02:45:04] <ph0> it tries to do a direct link, ifnot it goes
to the upper root and search for a link forwarding packages between
them
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434 [02:45:56] <ph0> maybe your router is considered a root
element and the computer ur trying to make the ping from has another
root
435 [02:46:28] <ph0> I promise, ill take a fonera tomorrow and
try it xD
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443 [02:50:12] <amikot40> hmm PC that Im using to do test ping is
in my work - so its different LAN than my home LAN.
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447 [02:51:45] <amikot40> for me its just annoying - WEB-UI is
limiting everything. Specially that some settings are stored
somewhere - nobody knows where - not in accessible filesystem.
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457 [02:59:56] <awal1> why 'arp-scan2 list connected devices
that 'nast' won't list? :(
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460 [03:01:36] <awal1> why 'arp-scan' lists connected
devices with there corresponding mac addresses that 'nast'
won't list? :(
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462 [03:02:34] <awal1> "nast -m" vs "arp-scan
--interface=wlan0 --localnet"
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471 [03:07:07] <thatpythonguy> what is the best method to install
a package from 'stable' on a 'testing' system?
apt-pinning?
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479 [03:14:23] <ozzloy> should i do 'shopt bla bla' in
.bashrc as opposed to .profile?
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516 [03:50:39] <noahmg123> I have a Kali Linux VirtualBox guest
that does not have internet access when configured to use a NAT
Network
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562 [04:29:05] <adamantium> Hi, is there any easy way to install
Adobe's Source Code Pro font?
563 [04:29:58] <adamantium> I never thought i'd join a
channel for such a basic thing
564 [04:30:24] <adamantium> And for boasting so many packages, I
can't believe I can't find it?
565 [04:32:42] <nyov> how can I sepcify an SSH identity from my
ssh agent to send for authentication?
566 [04:33:51] <nyov> like "ssh -i /path/to/id_dsa
user@server", but not using a filename but a forwarded agent
identity
567 [04:33:58] <nyov> is that possible?
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584 [04:51:18] <SerajewelKS> nyov: why is that necessary?
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586 [04:51:59] <nyov> SerajewelKS: because otherwise I run into
"Too many authentication failures" if it tries every key
in my (forwarded) agent
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589 [04:54:08] <nyov> now ssh -vv has a nice listing of my
agent's keys, like "debug2: key: /home/nyov/.ssh/id_rsa
(0x7f3579ab8fb3), agent", but the filename is obviously not
available on the remote, and that hexmagic is not accepted as
filename
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596 [05:03:03] <nyov> fckin a! i guess i'll need to instance
another agent with handpicked keys for that tunnel
597 [05:03:17] <unomystEz> I managed to get grub to disable in
text via /etc/default/grub but once the kernel boots it's going
into 1024x768 mode, is there a way to force text only?
598 [05:03:26] <unomystEz> s/disable/display/
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604 [05:06:00] <nyov> unomystEz: I think that is
"GRUB_TERMINAL=console"
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606 [05:06:40] <unomystEz> nyov: I set that but after boot
it's still modesetting into 1024x768
607 [05:06:55] <nyov> using efi?
608 [05:06:58] <unomystEz> GRUB_TERMINAL=console worked for grub
just not after loading the kernel
609 [05:07:00] <unomystEz> no
610 [05:07:18] <unomystEz> I'm actually booting in qemu
611 [05:07:18] <nyov> ah, you're in the kernel not in grub
anymore
612 [05:07:22] <unomystEz> correct
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614 [05:07:50] <nyov> then it's a kernel thing. get rid of
plymouth I think?
615 [05:08:10] <nyov> or do you mean you have a fb text console
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617 [05:09:01] <unomystEz> correct, I believe it's an fb
text console
618 [05:09:12] <unomystEz> could be caused by plymouth I suppose
619 [05:09:33] <nyov> so you have something like this
replaced-url
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624 [05:10:47] <nyov> anyway I don't know the answer to that
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627 [05:15:13] <unomystEz> ok I got it, was video=vesafb:off for
kernel cmdline
628 [05:15:19] <nyov> nice
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635 [05:24:16] <Yorlik> Hello! Anyone here having experience with
Kubernetes on stretch? I installed Docker and Kubernetes from the
stretch backports and everytime I start the kubelet service after
some minutes the server reboots - nothing significant in the logs,
no kernel panic, nothing. I am using a xen enabled kernel, since I
used to run xen guests, but we want to use containers instead of VMs
as much as possible now.
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675 [05:54:12] <lexiyntax> adamantium:
replaced-url
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677 [05:54:31] <iodot> is it possible to run the intel graphics
driver natively (without kms)
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679 [05:55:17] <iodot> im debugging some thing, and i can't
seem to get x working with nomodeset kernel parameter. i even tried
adding the i915 module to /etc/modprobe.d/
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872 [09:04:20] <iodot> is there a channel for debian testing
related questions?
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875 [09:05:06] <SpeedyG> !testing
876 [09:05:07] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
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877 [09:05:11] <SpeedyG> ^ iodot
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879 [09:05:35] <iodot> thanks
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896 [09:13:46] <iodot> can one expect better performance on intel
graphics (hd 630) switing to kernel 4.20?
897 [09:13:58] <iodot> switching*
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964 [10:04:36] <ChrisH> Laptop inside Dockingstation with USB
connection from Dockingstation to external monitor. USB Keyboard is
connected to Monitor. In grub the keyboard is usable and most times
during boot-up while entering the keyphrase I need to re-plug the
keyboard to get it working. What could I have the keyboard working
during keyphrase request without re-plugging? Debian Stretch.
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1037 [10:43:51] <oojacobo_> Can someone please help with using
`screen`. This seems to be the most difficult linux daemon I've
ever used
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1039 [10:44:13] <oojacoboo> I'm currently getting the error
`Must be connected to a terminal.`
1040 [10:44:29] <oojacoboo> I've tried executing the command
with `-m -d` as stated all over the net
1041 [10:44:40] <oojacoboo> I've tried using `ssh -t` to get
a TTY
1042 [10:45:11] <JustASlacker> why not tmux
1043 [10:45:23] <oojacoboo> is that like screen?
1044 [10:45:28] <JustASlacker> yes, except better
1045 [10:45:32] <oojacoboo> hmm
1046 [10:45:40] <colo-work> it's definitely hipper
1047 [10:45:44] <oojacoboo> ha
1048 [10:45:46] <jelly> oojacoboo: screen is not a daemon at all.
What are you trying to achieve?
1049 [10:46:06] <oojacoboo> I just want to execute this command in
a screen b/c the internet here in Egypt is shit
1050 [10:46:11] <oojacoboo> and my db import keeps failing
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1053 [10:46:27] <themill> oojacoboo: are you also changing user?
1054 [10:46:32] <oojacoboo> no
1055 [10:46:49] <JustASlacker> if you are logged in, simple typing
"screen" should just work
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1057 [10:47:09] <oojacoboo> `screen` just returns back to a prompt
1058 [10:47:11] <oojacoboo> `screen -list` shows nothing
1059 [10:47:12] <jelly> oojacoboo: what's the _exact_ command
line you're using?
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1064 [10:47:49] <oojacoboo> screen -dm -x gunzip <
db-prepared.sql.gz | mysql -h foo.test.com -u userdude -p dbname
1065 [10:48:12] <oojacoboo> I've tried a variety of flags, so
mostly ignore those on screen
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1068 [10:49:13] <jelly> oojacoboo: get rid of -x. quote the whole
thing after -dm
1069 [10:49:21] <oojacoboo> okay, testing
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1071 [10:50:01] <jelly> and preferably use a unique session name
to figure out which session is running which stuff
1072 [10:50:08] <jelly> $ ssh twilight.nn screen -dmS newsession
'sleep 60'
1073 [10:50:19] <oojacoboo> yea, I removed that bit - had that
there
1074 [10:50:32] <oojacoboo> this seems to work but mysql -p
requires input
1075 [10:50:45] <oojacoboo> I guess I need to reattach to input
1076 [10:50:47] <JustASlacker> why so complicated
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1078 [10:50:58] <oojacoboo> good question
1079 [10:51:02] <JustASlacker> just open a session with screen, do
what you need to do
1080 [10:51:22] <oojacoboo> how do I do that?
1081 [10:51:26] <JustASlacker> that you get a prompt after typing
screen is whats supposed to happen
1082 [10:51:29] <oojacoboo> just `screen`?
1083 [10:51:34] <JustASlacker> yes
1084 [10:51:36] <oojacoboo> or `screen -S name`
1085 [10:51:43] <JustASlacker> names are a good idea
1086 [10:51:44] <oojacoboo> hmm
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1091 [10:52:39] <oojacoboo> I see JustASlacker
1092 [10:54:09] <oojacoboo> perfect thanks guys - now I can use PV
as well without getting ascii scrolling the terminal in an
uncontrollable fashion
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1095 [10:54:44] <oojacoboo> for some reason PV combined with a
screen command I was using basically locked my out of the terminal
with an endless pile of ascii pouring over like the matric
1096 [10:54:48] <oojacoboo> matrix*
1097 [10:55:17] <oojacoboo> ctrl-c wasn't responsive
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1099 [10:56:02] <oojacoboo> brb, need to pick up some water -
don't trust the tap water here :)
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1118 [11:05:28] <oojacoboo> wow, 1.5L ice cold water = 25 cents :)
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1185 [11:43:33] * nyov wonders when discounters will start selling fresh
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1187 [11:43:58] <Fox> nyov: when you'll pay with fresh money
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1217 [11:53:01] <nyov> hmm, perhaps there are still a few more
trees to kill before people will pay money for air
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1222 [11:55:22] <n00b-usr> litteraly no trees will be left before
people will pay for air, and then they die
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1231 [11:58:10] <jrg> trees don’t make most of the oxygen.
sea algae does.
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1251 [12:10:00] <mirazi_heket> hey, im trying to configure freeipa
client on debian (manual:
replaced-url
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1254 [12:10:17] <mirazi_heket> im on debian 8, will provide
additional info/paste on request
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1271 [12:20:44] <jelly> mirazi_heket: using sssd?
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1274 [12:22:33] <mirazi_heket> yes
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1276 [12:23:08] <mirazi_heket> files configured: pam.d
(common-auth and common-password), nsswitch.conf, krb5.conf,
sssd.conf
1277 [12:23:19] <jelly> add lots of debug to your sssd.conf,
restart it, and try to figure out what happens
1278 [12:23:48] <jelly> #sssd channel might help, but be patient
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1280 [12:24:12] <jelly> (tell them versions of ipa stuff, of sssd,
your distro and release)
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module ,not kernel componet then how do i remove usb drivers from
kernel and add to as a module
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1553 [14:53:56] <ychaouche> hello #debian
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1559 [14:56:24] <linuxconformer> guys how can i move a website
from a running server to a virtual machine?
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1564 [14:59:01] <ychaouche> How do I enable wifi in the network
manager ? it seems it is greyed out and can't be enabled :
replaced-url
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1569 [15:00:07] <n00b-usr> jrg: nice, warms my heart as a
fisherman, lol
1570 [15:00:11] <ychaouche> linuxconformer, I heared some
virtualisation software can create a virtual server out of a
physical one, I think that was vmware
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1573 [15:00:47] <ychaouche> I think it requires some downtime
though.
1574 [15:00:58] <themill> ychaouche: the one you have circled
looks like mobile internet not wifi
1575 [15:01:21] <ychaouche> oh
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1577 [15:01:28] <ychaouche> is that the one on the left then ?
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1579 [15:01:44] <ychaouche> they all have a red mark anyway
1580 [15:01:59] <ychaouche> as if they were disabled
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1582 [15:02:31] <n00b-usr> linuxconformer: like a raw copy of OS +
website? what distro?
1583 [15:03:07] <n00b-usr> lol, sorry. in #debian..
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1588 [15:05:31] <linuxconformer> n00b-usr: it's a little
complicated, it's contained on a server hosting dozens of other
websites. Honestly maybe it's not worth doing
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1590 [15:07:03] <themill> ychaouche: is there a hardware button
for the device?
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1592 [15:07:17] <ychaouche> themill, it's a PCI card
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1594 [15:07:31] <RoyK> linuxconformer: vmware converter can do
that, yes, but obviously, it'll lead to some downtime
1595 [15:07:32] <aurel> hi
1596 [15:07:33] <ychaouche> no switch I can see on the rear of the
PC where the antennas are
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1599 [15:07:53] <RoyK> linuxconformer: what sort of machine
isthis? often, it's easier to setup a new machine (vm or not)
and then move the services over
1600 [15:07:55] <themill> ychaouche: there's still quite
often a kill switch
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1602 [15:08:05] <ychaouche> themill, it has a small led light
though, but it's off
1603 [15:08:15] <ychaouche> themill, I think it should be green
when it's operating, no ?
1604 [15:08:21] <linuxconformer> RoyK: don't have root access
to most of the server, only my users's /home/<user>
directory and a /replaced-url
1605 [15:08:29] <RoyK> (that is, vmware converter *may* be able to
do it, but not for everything)
1606 [15:08:32] <aurel> there is a bug on the "blender"
package, shipped on 1. devember, which was already fixed by a new
version available in unstable
replaced-url
1607 [15:08:45] <aurel> when can i expect that this package
version is available in testing?
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1610 [15:08:58] <themill> !rfkill
1611 [15:09:02] <RoyK> linuxconformer: you'll need root
access on the server to use vmware converter anyway - just setup a
new one and move the services over
1612 [15:09:09] <themill> dselect: rfkill
1613 [15:09:09] <dselect> /dev/rfkill is the Linux rfkill (radio
frequency <killswitch>) device interface, available since
Linux 2.6.31. It is used to enable and disable wireless networking
devices (e.g. wireless LAN, Bluetooth, WiMAX). The rfkill userspace
tool for accessing this interface is in the rfkill package.
replaced-url
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1617 [15:10:03] <aurel> or since this is broken in testing and
fixed in stable,... what is a general rule of thumb how long it
takes now
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1621 [15:12:10] <themill> aurel:
replaced-url
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1624 [15:13:01] <RoyK> !testing
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1628 [15:13:52] <themill> !ping
1629 [15:13:52] <dpkg_> Yes, themill you are either online or you
are not...
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1630 [15:14:03] <themill> poor thing forgot to identify today
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1634 [15:16:59] <ychaouche> themill,
replaced-url
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1638 [15:17:59] <themill> ychaouche: "rfkill list" might
be enlightening
1639 [15:18:19] <ychaouche> cool ! a new command to learn :)
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1641 [15:18:41] <themill> (what dselect said earlier)
1642 [15:18:51] <ychaouche> rfkill list is empty
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1644 [15:19:42] <ychaouche> could it be disabled in the bios ?
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1654 [15:23:58] <ychaouche> ah as root
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1657 [15:24:13] <ychaouche> still :(
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1661 [15:25:29] <ychaouche> strace as root :
replaced-url
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1663 [15:25:55] <ychaouche> maybe I should reopen the PC and check
that the card is well inserted
1664 [15:26:00] <ychaouche> bbl
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1666 [15:26:15] <chmd> Hi! quick question: can I use
systemd-networkd in combination with /etc/network/interfaces?
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1671 [15:26:49] <chmd> like, have some interfaces managed by
systemd-networkd, others by /etc/network/interfaces
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1673 [15:27:03] <chmd> or will it confuse debian?
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1761 [16:11:49] <MrCircuitMatt> hello
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1763 [16:13:09] <MrCircuitMatt> on stretch, if I have auto
<iface> and iface <iface> inet dhcp, and I unplug the
cable and plug it back in, is it down to try to engage the DHCP
client? what about allow-hotplug?
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1765 [16:13:58] <MrCircuitMatt> s/down/going to/. Alternative to
that would be to just keep the interface configuration until lease
renewal is due (i.e. act as if nothing happened)
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1815 [16:37:05] <rugshucker> I use Stretch across all my
computers. Got an issue with the sources of one of them. I checked
the sources list against this one and it's identical. When I
try to update that one I get an error the old key not found in
keyring. Like there was a typo in the sources even though clearly
there isn't. I'd really like to get this fixed so I can
update this machine. Not sure how long this has been an issue. I
guess I have been ignoring it, so there is no
1816 [16:37:06] <rugshucker> telling when this machine was last
properly updated.
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1818 [16:37:40] <joepublic> will you pastebin the error?
1819 [16:37:48] <rugshucker> Sure
1820 [16:37:58] <ChrisH> include the command executed
1821 [16:38:08] <rugshucker> apt update
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1826 [16:40:29] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054182/
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1829 [16:41:26] <ChrisH> rugshucker: Hint: The key(s) in the
keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable
by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
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1831 [16:41:34] <joepublic> What does ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
say?
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1833 [16:41:51] <a417> wtf sry
1834 [16:42:35] <rugshucker> That is not my uname though
1835 [16:43:40] <rugshucker> ChrisH can I have another hint?
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1838 [16:44:33] <joepublic> um...
1839 [16:46:09] <rugshucker> Also is there something going on with
the OFTC server? I couldn't connect. Tried to get freenode to
work with my VPN. I think I may have that figured out by the next
time I connect. So at least that is good news.
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1841 [16:46:55] <joepublic> uh huh. so about that ls -l
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg ...
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1843 [16:48:27] <rugshucker> Uh yeah I wouldn't post my
username for my computer. I have been using Linux for over 5 years
now. Though in many areas I am still a novice. Pretty sure it's
a bad idea to post the username though. Yeah sorry i'll get
right on that.
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1845 [16:49:29] <joepublic> if that command prints your username,
you probably need a reinstall.
1846 [16:49:58] <joepublic> or at least to chown it to root and
set it to 644.
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1849 [16:50:44] <n4dir> my username is "user". i am not
so shy ...
1850 [16:51:05] <n4dir> i would even post my password ...
1851 [16:51:09] <joepublic> I am not going to fight you to help
you, I just realized. Carry on with my apologies.
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1858 [16:52:46] <dmk> i've just bought an ssd for my aging
laptop. trying to work out whether i should clone the current disk,
or do a fresh install and copy, or rsync the files onto a fresh
partition. anyone have any advice?
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1864 [16:53:18] <joepublic> dmk, I have had good results with
clonezilla for smaller drive to larger.
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1872 [16:53:51] <PPaFin> dmk, Always new install and rsync...
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1874 [16:54:17] <dmk> ah, i've not used that before. will it
handle making the drive bootable?
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1879 [16:54:47] <dmk> PPaFin: I'd not even considered that
option... what's the benefit of the install before rsync?
1880 [16:54:49] <joepublic> dmk, yes. it's designed to do
what you are thinking about doing.
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1887 [16:55:04] <dmk> joepublic: fantastic, thanks :)
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1898 [16:56:15] <PPaFin> dmk, it keeps your knowledge up - how to
be able to rebuild from groundzero, and ultimately teaches you to
separate data and binaries :)
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1903 [16:56:48] <dmk> ahhh, that's fair enough
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1905 [16:57:12] <dmk> i'm feeling a bit lazy this time i
think, clonezilla is looking pretty nice
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1909 [16:57:29] <rugshucker> joepublic so do you think there is
something seriously wrong with the install on my other machine?
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1911 [16:57:33] <joepublic> Depending on use case, a laptop is
often all binaries and no data
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1917 [16:58:26] <PPaFin> dunno, I've been doing that for
ages. But feel free to clone of course..
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1921 [16:58:40] <ChrisH> rugshucker: did you paste the requested
ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg somewhere?
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1923 [16:58:50] <rugshucker> yessir
1924 [16:58:54] <n4dir> and after ages you still feel it
"keeps your knowledge up" ?
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1934 [16:59:50] <rugshucker> I think this is it. Posted it earlier
paste.debian.net/1054187/
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1936 [17:00:01] <PPaFin> Yep, because restoring from scratch is
usefull skil, I've learned.
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1939 [17:00:35] <joepublic> Makes sense to me. I remember using
UNIX system III in the 1980s when my beard was not grey, yet I find
that I remember best the things that I keep up doing once in a
while.
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1943 [17:01:19] <rugshucker> Yeah it looks like my gpg keys are
readable and writable by root. I think that's right
1944 [17:01:41] <joepublic> rugshucker, I suggest sudo chmod 644
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg and try apt-update again. It's not root
that needs to read the file, it's the apt user.
1945 [17:01:59] <PPaFin> joepublic, true
1946 [17:02:08] <greycat> Is this another synaptic bug?
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1948 [17:02:51] <rugshucker> Any theories on hth that happened
when I don't think I ever put _apt ont this machine?
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1955 [17:03:49] <joepublic> For a long list of users you mostly
didn't put there, have a look at cat /etc/passwd|cut
-d':' -f1
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1958 [17:04:22] <greycat> UUOC
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1961 [17:05:01] <joepublic> man you guys are always down on me
because I like to use cat.
1962 [17:05:58] <joepublic> it doesn't wear out with use :)
1963 [17:05:59] <n4dir> i for one think i learn more if i rsync an
exsiting installation around, while installing and only copying
config files in place seems like the more easy solution.
1964 [17:06:41] <rugshucker> cat is pretty useful. Don't see
this _apt. I will try cat /etc/passwd on this laptop.
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1968 [17:07:03] <joepublic> rugshucker, he means that you should
cut -d':' -f1 /etc/passwd instead.
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1970 [17:07:41] <rugshucker> So uh what does this switch do
exactly?
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1975 [17:08:07] <joepublic> just shows you the first field of the
file, using : as a delimiter. The first field is the username.
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1978 [17:09:57] <joepublic> the important advice was to chmod the
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg to 644 and then apt update again.
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1982 [17:11:00] <klr> hello, i am running unstable, virtualbox
does not appear to be in the 'unstable' repo. what are my
options?
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1984 [17:11:16] <xx> e
1985 [17:11:28] <annadane> i use virt-manager for virtualization
stuff.
1986 [17:11:40] <jhutchins_wk> ,v virtualbox
1987 [17:11:41] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1;
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1;
stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib:
5.2.22-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.22-dfsg-2
1988 [17:11:43] <rugshucker> Is that a reasonable way to fix this,
or should I just count this machine as somehow corrupted and start
over?
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1993 [17:12:06] <klr> interesting, i wonder why it's now
showing up in my apt-cache
1994 [17:12:22] <joepublic> klr: it's in non-free
1995 [17:12:27] <jasabella> it's in contrib
1996 [17:12:32] <colo-work> isn't there
1997 [17:12:34] <colo-work> ,v virtualbox-ose
1998 [17:12:35] <judd> Package: virtualbox-ose on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1
1999 [17:12:35] <amikot40> hello :D
2000 [17:12:36] <colo-work> ?
2001 [17:12:37] <klr> oh, contrib.
2002 [17:12:38] <colo-work> ah
2003 [17:12:41] <klr> i have non-free enabled :)
2004 [17:12:43] <colo-work> "used to be", apparently
2005 [17:13:03] <n4dir> rugshucker: my belly tells me that the
file should have proper rights in the first place, and something
went south somehwere.
2006 [17:13:10] <joepublic> rugshucker, that's the default
state of that file.
2007 [17:13:17] <klr> thanks guys, it was in `contrib`
2008 [17:13:33] <joepublic> it's the exensions that are in
non-free. my mistake.
2009 [17:13:36] <rugshucker> 644 doesn't that give read/write
priveleges? it seems to already have them
2010 [17:13:53] <klr> rugshucker: depends on from who's
prospective
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2012 [17:14:10] <n4dir> if the chmod fixes it and there are no
other problems, i for one would probably leave it installed (but
with a bit of mistrust)
2013 [17:14:23] <ChrisH> rugshucker: that file is pretty small. I
am not sure if copy from anther box would fix it.
2014 [17:14:48] <joepublic> rugshucker, 6 is read/write for the
owner of the file (root), 4 is read-only for group, and finally 4
read-only for "other" which is what is your immediate
problem.
2015 [17:14:50] <klr> annadane: This is for Vagrant, I have not
attempted to use vagrant with virt
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2019 [17:15:40] <joepublic> when you install from scratch, that
file is 644 by default.
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2021 [17:15:48] <n00b-usr> long live cat
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2023 [17:15:55] <joepublic> amen, n00b-usr
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2025 [17:16:56] <rugshucker> ok so now after apt update there are
even more errors
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2027 [17:17:11] <jasabella> vagrant needed virtualbox 5.1 last
time i messed with it
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2029 [17:17:37] <joepublic> rugshucker, that's unfortunate
but not all that surprising... Your call as to whether to keep
diagnosing and fixing them or to reinstall.
2030 [17:17:56] <klr> joepublic: it is working with 5.2 for me.
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2034 [17:18:05] <jasabella> cool
2035 [17:18:05] <klr> it can also use docker and some other
backends.
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2037 [17:18:19] <klr> vagrant-libvirt - Vagrant plugin that adds
an Libvirt provider to Vagrant
2038 [17:18:23] <jasabella> (i'm not joepublic :) )
2039 [17:18:26] <jasabella> but yeah
2040 [17:18:36] <joepublic> we are both j's so autocomplete
can get confused...
2041 [17:18:38] <klr> i'm sorry jasabella
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2045 [17:18:55] <klr> I was being lazy :>
2046 [17:18:57] <jasabella> nice to see the ticket is now closed:
replaced-url
2047 [17:19:27] <ChrisH> rugshucker: unless you get a bit more
verbose and show us the new errors, noone can provide
assistance/help.
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2050 [17:20:12] <joepublic> wow ChrisH you're really
enthusiastic about helping :) let him think for a minute!
2051 [17:20:29] <ChrisH> rugshucker: from what my 2min google
search shows: a apt-key update might help.
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2055 [17:20:52] <rugshucker> Ok so now after chmod
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg has the priveleges -rw-r--r--
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2057 [17:21:03] <ChrisH> joepublic: I switch to this screen every
few minutes and ... no I am not enthustastic
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2062 [17:23:12] <rugshucker> test
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2066 [17:23:45] <Neobenedict> hi i can ping 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1
and access the machine over IP but DNS is not working
2067 [17:23:46] <Neobenedict> help?
2068 [17:23:57] <rugshucker> the following signatures
couldn't be verified bc the public key is not available
2069 [17:24:01] <Neobenedict> i added "nameserver
8.8.8.8" to /etc/resolv.conf and ifdown/ifup and it didn't
help
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2071 [17:24:11] <klr> does 'dig' return anything or just
timeout?
2072 [17:24:21] <rugshucker> that is the jist of what the error
from apt update was
2073 [17:24:28] <Neobenedict> i dont have dig package installed
2074 [17:24:30] <Neobenedict> and can't use apt
2075 [17:24:34] <Neobenedict> because it can't resolve the
dns
2076 [17:24:35] <greycat> Remember that DNS uses UDP on port 53
(outgoing), so if you firewalled something, make sure you allow
THAT.
2077 [17:24:47] <joepublic> Neobenedict, how about nslookup? us
cat people love nslookup
2078 [17:24:48] <Neobenedict> but "ping google.com" just
hangs for example
2079 [17:24:55] <Neobenedict> -bash: nslookup: command not found
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2081 [17:24:56] <klr> joepublic: lol
2082 [17:24:59] <Neobenedict> i cannot install any packages
2083 [17:25:04] <jhutchins_wk> Neobenedict: You can resolve that
by putting the host in your /etc/hosts file.
2084 [17:25:05] <ChrisH> Neobenedict: sounds like /etc/resolv.conf
is not populated as expected. Check that first and fix it manually
2085 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> cat /etc/resolv.conf
2086 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> nameserver 8.8.8.8
2087 [17:25:20] <Neobenedict> nameserver 8.8.4.4
2088 [17:25:23] <jhutchins_wk> Neobenedict: If you restarted
networking it probably regenerated resolv.conf
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2091 [17:25:36] <joepublic> rugshucker, are you interested in
troubleshooting that?
2092 [17:25:37] <Neobenedict> doing sudo service networking
restart breaks network completely
2093 [17:25:42] <rugshucker> Probly nothing that any of us in our
community hasn't seen before at one time or another. basic
failed source shit
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2096 [17:25:52] <greycat> or if you waited a few minutes, your
DHCP client daemon probably regenerated resolv.conf for you, because
it thinks it's helping
2097 [17:26:02] <Neobenedict> how do i kill off dhcp
2098 [17:26:03] <greycat> !override dns
2099 [17:26:03] <dpkg_> To have dhclient etc not touch
/etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that
file. See
replaced-url
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2102 [17:26:25] <rugshucker> yeah man do you really want me to
post the entire error?
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2104 [17:26:44] <rugshucker> also thanks for stickin with me Joe
2105 [17:26:46] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
2106 [17:26:46] <dpkg_> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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2108 [17:27:21] <joepublic> rugshucker, doesn't matter to
me... But if you want anyone here to know what we are
troubleshooting, you have the option of pastebinning the error.
2109 [17:27:33] <rugshucker> Thanks hutchins but I already figured
that out a long time ago
2110 [17:27:35] <joepublic> Thanks jhutchins_wk.
2111 [17:28:05] <rugshucker> alright give me a bit
2112 [17:28:08] <klr> Neobenedict: what kind of network are you
on? a work/school/restricted network? or something you have full
control over?
2113 [17:28:11] <joepublic> On my screen that paste command plus
reply block takes 8 lines, by the way.
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2115 [17:28:31] <Neobenedict> klr: sharing internet from a windows
machine
2116 [17:28:35] <Neobenedict> but i can ping 8.8.8.8
2117 [17:28:37] <Neobenedict> just fine
2118 [17:28:42] <Neobenedict> and this was working previously
2119 [17:29:14] <klr> Okay. Does the windows machine have a
firewall on it?
2120 [17:29:32] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054194/
2121 [17:29:36] <Neobenedict> i'm going to try something.
2122 [17:29:41] <klr> something that would restrict 53/(tcp|udp) ?
2123 [17:30:00] <klr> you could also try 1.1.1.1, 4.2.2.2,
4.2.2.3.
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2125 [17:30:19] <ChrisH> rugshucker: that looks much better now.
2126 [17:30:21] <Neobenedict> okay, interesting
2127 [17:30:32] <joepublic> rugshucker, does this help:
replaced-url
2128 [17:30:35] <Neobenedict> i "fixed" the issue
2129 [17:30:42] <klr> it's very difficult to troubleshoot
your networking issues without 'dig' so that should be the
next step.
2130 [17:30:46] <Neobenedict> by enabling a wireguard vpn
2131 [17:30:49] <Neobenedict> for 0.0.0.0
2132 [17:30:55] <Neobenedict> so DNS is being blocked somewhere I
guess
2133 [17:30:59] <klr> =)
2134 [17:31:10] <Neobenedict> does windows block DNS or something
2135 [17:31:16] <klr> wrong channel ;p
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2137 [17:31:50] <klr> install the usual, tcpdump. nmap, dig, etc
and come back and tell us!
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2139 [17:32:02] <ChrisH> rugshucker: follow the link joepublic
send, do that for all missing keys
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2150 [17:36:08] <klr> are most people using wireguard now?
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2152 [17:36:28] <greycat> I think the objective answer is
"no".
2153 [17:36:39] <greycat> Less than 50% of the earth's
population are using it.
2154 [17:36:41] <jhutchins_wk> klr: He has trouble installing
packages because he can't resolve the repo hosts.
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2157 [17:36:56] <klr> jhutchins_wk: I understand that, I'm
asking a general questions.
2158 [17:37:07] <klr> which greycat took _way_ too literally.
2159 [17:37:12] <joepublic> klr, most means >50%. That's
what that word means.
2160 [17:37:42] <rugshucker> So im assuming this particular fix
shouldn't be run as root?
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2162 [17:38:14] <rugshucker> here is the same link in pastebin
replaced-url
2163 [17:38:17] <greycat> If you meant "Are a lot of people
using wireguard now?" then I wouldn't know the answer. I
don't even know what wireguard *is*.
2164 [17:38:23] <rugshucker> it'll never expire
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2166 [17:38:52] <joepublic> rugshucker, this is a run-as-root
operation.
2167 [17:39:06] <SerajewelKS> wireguard is probably way too new to
be widely adopted
2168 [17:39:24] <joepublic> only root, the owner of the
trusted.gpg file, has permission to write to it, as designed.
2169 [17:39:39] <klr> greycat: That was constructive, thank you.
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2171 [17:39:52] <rugshucker> alright thanks
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2178 [17:43:45] <rugshucker> paste.debian.net/1054197
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2183 [17:44:15] <rugshucker> Sometimes there is just always
something new you have to deal with
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2188 [17:45:52] <joepublic> ,v dirmngr
2189 [17:45:54] <judd> Package: dirmngr on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.1.0-3; jessie: 1.1.1-5; stretch-security: 2.1.18-8~deb9u2;
stretch: 2.1.18-8~deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2.2.10-3~bpo9+1;
buster: 2.2.11-1; sid: 2.2.11-1
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2191 [17:46:27] <rugshucker> shit what do i have to mkdir those
missing directories now?
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2193 [17:46:41] <joepublic> The immediate problem is that you seem
to be missing that particular package (dirmngr)
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2198 [17:48:21] <TRPM8> -help
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2200 [17:48:43] <rugshucker> thanks. well thanks for all the help
Joe, Chris. I think I will return to this later. The batteries are
running down on both these machines and I do not have the ability to
recharge at this time. Thanks again :)
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2203 [17:48:57] <joepublic> I was on comfortable familiar
territory with chmod'ing trusted.gpg and adding keys. This
one's new to me. Good luck and peace.
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2209 [17:51:17] <joepublic> wireguard is apparently a
roll-your-own kernel module VPN about which wikipedia says "
the developers of WireGuard advise treating the code and protocol as
experimental, and caution that they have not yet achieved a stable
release compatible with CVE tracking of any security vulnerabilities
that may be discovered"
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2254 [18:11:10] <srged> whats the linux app close to dreamwaver
for html editig ?
2255 [18:11:21] <srged> for debian i mean
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2257 [18:11:47] <joepublic> I guess you don't mean emacs or
vi.
2258 [18:12:45] <joepublic> Perhaps this article may help you:
replaced-url
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2261 [18:13:41] <jhutchins_wk> ,v quanta
2262 [18:13:42] <judd> No package named 'quanta' was
found in amd64.
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2264 [18:14:53] <jhutchins_wk> srged:
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2275 [18:19:56] <srged> thanks guys
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2286 [18:25:44] <noodlepie> I installed Debian UserLAnd on my
mobile, I can run VNC and SSH from anywhere to my mobile core.
Neato!
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2351 [19:04:56] <Neobenedict> E: Package 'winetricks'
has no installation candidate
2352 [19:04:58] <Neobenedict> help with this error?
2353 [19:05:00] <Neobenedict> debian 9
2354 [19:05:15] <Neobenedict> .paste
2355 [19:05:16] <greycat> ,v winetricks
2356 [19:05:17] <judd> Package: winetricks on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 0.0+20121030+svn918-1; jessie/contrib:
0.0+20141009+svn1208-2; stretch/contrib: 0.0+20170101-1;
buster/contrib: 0.0+20180815-1; sid/contrib: 0.0+20180815-1
2357 [19:05:21] <greycat> It's in contrib.
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2360 [19:06:59] <Neobenedict> thx
2361 [19:07:23] <diogenes_> Neobenedict, you could grab the
wintetricks from github and just make it executable
2362 [19:07:28] <diogenes_> no need for installation
2363 [19:07:37] <Neobenedict> yeah too late :p
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2421 [19:38:18] <jhutchins_wk> Do the Brother printer drivers work
on amd64 systems?
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2440 [19:51:01] <Akuw> i need to install flashplugin-nonfree
2441 [19:51:11] <Akuw> what repo need i?
2442 [19:51:28] <greycat> Probably one that existed 3 years ago.
2443 [19:51:33] <greycat> Good luck.
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2449 [19:52:38] <annadane> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
2450 [19:52:40] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1;
sid/contrib: 1:3.7
2451 [19:53:03] <annadane> wonder if pepperflash can be
substituted
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2454 [19:54:40] <annadane> many people just don't bother with
flash anymore, it's rare someone needs it for something
important and it's a security risk
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2457 [19:55:50] <Akuw> i need to install flashplugin-nonfree
2458 [19:56:49] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: you want either
flashplayer-chromium or flashplayer-mozilla depending on your
browser
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2461 [19:58:50] <Tenkawa> /me grumbles at asm_goto
2462 [19:58:54] <Tenkawa> errr
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2477 [20:06:46] * SpeedyG grumbles at invisible spaces ^_^
2478 [20:07:12] <Ooze> I thought this would pick up files created
within the last 24hours, but it seems to be running on everything in
the dir. 'find /media/seed/ -mtime -1 -exec beet import {}
\;'
2479 [20:07:17] <Ooze> Am I missing something?
2480 [20:07:24] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: flashplayer-chromium
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2482 [20:08:03] <greycat> Ooze: -type f, maybe? I don't know
what "beet" does if you pass it a directory name.
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2492 [20:10:03] <n_1-c_k> Ooze: try "-mtime 1" instead
of "-mtime -1"?
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2494 [20:10:14] <greycat> n_1-c_k: no.
2495 [20:10:39] <greycat> -mtime 1 means "modified between 24
and 48 hours ago", with some weired rounding
2496 [20:11:29] <n_1-c_k> greycat: ah
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2500 [20:12:56] <simpledat> Why was there only 48 packages to
remove after I run apt-get remove virt-manger. And 98 packages when
installing it?
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2503 [20:14:54] <jhutchins_wk> simpledat: Hard to say, possibly
other packages now use some of the dependencies.
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2506 [20:16:34] <annadane> you shouldn't have 48 removed
after apt-get remove virt-manager. apt autoremove, on the other
hand...
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2510 [20:17:01] <SerajewelKS> annadane: isn't there some apt
option to effectively autoremove on every removal?
2511 [20:17:18] <annadane> i don't know
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2514 [20:19:26] <annadane> if there are 48 packages removed just
from apt remove i'd suspect a weird issue with packages
2515 [20:19:38] <simpledat> annadane: Yeah it was from apt-get
autoremove, thats right. But why only 48 packages?
2516 [20:20:09] <annadane> then it's probably as jhutchins
said and those packages are in use by other programs
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2518 [20:20:52] <n4dir> you could have a look at the output of
deborphan (or deborphan --guess-all).
2519 [20:20:58] <bites> did you install other packages between
installing and removing virt-manager?
2520 [20:21:06] <simpledat> bites: No
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2522 [20:21:18] <simpledat> The only thing I did was, installing
virt-manger then removed it.
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2533 [20:26:32] <simpledat> now I removed qemu-kvm
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2535 [20:26:50] <simpledat> and it autoremoved another 13 packages
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2537 [20:27:06] <simpledat> Still not 98 of them as when I install
it
2538 [20:27:20] <n4dir> as said, try deborphan
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2542 [20:28:31] <simpledat> n4dir: What is that?
2543 [20:29:13] <n4dir> it lists "orphaned" packages
(has options, the only one i know from the top of my head is
--guess-all, but a simple deborphan would be a start)
2544 [20:29:18] <Ede|Popede> sounds like one of the hugh amount of
tools related to packages and their management
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2546 [20:29:33] <n4dir> but look really close, it can offer stuff
you rather would want to keep.
2547 [20:30:14] <n4dir> hence most don't use it (it can go
south ...). But only running "deborphan" will only list,
and do nothing else
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2550 [20:30:32] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: flashplayer-chromium
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2552 [20:30:43] <n4dir> there is also "aptitude purge
~c", which i ran regularly, and never really knew what it did.
lol.
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2559 [20:32:27] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: i have this line in
sources.list
2560 [20:32:34] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: deb
replaced-url
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2565 [20:33:53] <simpledat> Can some of you try to install
virt-manger and check it out?
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2567 [20:34:30] <n4dir> aptitude purge ~c ; starts doing stuff
without hesitating, so take care with that one (never ever had a
problem with it, just saying it is a point of no return)
2568 [20:35:20] <bites> it purges packages that have been removed
but not purged.
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2573 [20:39:31] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: okay. what is your question?
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2588 [20:45:15] <annadane> or "aptitude search ~c" first
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2592 [20:46:44] <n4dir> you should announce that a bit louder,
annadane. good one.
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2596 [20:48:06] <Akuw> SerajewelKS: what repo i need to install it
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2609 [20:52:16] <SerajewelKS> Akuw: exactly what you have
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2612 [20:53:16] <cybercrypto> hi thre
2613 [20:53:21] <cybercrypto> hi there
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2628 [21:00:55] <nwm> libgit2-dev is currently broken on debian
buster/sid
2629 [21:01:00] <nwm> cannot resolve
2630 [21:01:13] <greycat> File a bug report.
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2632 [21:02:15] <annadane> !debian-next
2633 [21:02:15] <dpkg_> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2638 [21:03:00] <Neobenedict> why is it not on this network
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2641 [21:03:24] <bites> this channel is on the wrong network.
2642 [21:03:34] <greycat> We are the outcast.
2643 [21:03:40] <Neobenedict> yeah freenode sucks
2644 [21:03:53] <Neobenedict> but at least it's centralized
2645 [21:04:08] <greycat> ! #debian oftc move
2646 [21:04:16] <greycat> !#debian oftc move
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2648 [21:04:29] <greycat> Hmm.
2649 [21:04:37] <Neobenedict> lets be honest if you moved it
2650 [21:04:37] <SerajewelKS> !oftc
2651 [21:04:38] <dpkg_> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
replaced-url
2652 [21:04:40] <Neobenedict> you'd lose 1000 ppl
2653 [21:04:40] <Neobenedict> or so
2654 [21:04:44] <SerajewelKS> there it is
2655 [21:04:47] <SerajewelKS> !oftc move
2656 [21:04:47] <dpkg_> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th
2006, see
replaced-url
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2658 [21:04:57] <greycat> I guess I don't understand the
output of "listkeys oftc"
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2662 [21:06:02] <mamadg_> hi , why two tan interface (one of them
attached to libvirt kvm VM, and one created manualy in host) cannot
connect to each other when bridge does not have ip address ?
(i'm trying to find out how bridge's work in linux)
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2664 [21:06:30] <SerajewelKS> bridges work at layer 2, so no IP
should be necessary
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2666 [21:07:21] <SerajewelKS> wait, tun?
2667 [21:07:26] <mamadg_> but when i remove bridge ip
interface's cannot ping each other
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2669 [21:07:30] <SerajewelKS> i don't know what a "tan
interface" is
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2672 [21:07:42] <mamadg_> i'm using linux bridge
interface's
2673 [21:08:27] <SerajewelKS> okay. tun interfaces are layer 3
interfaces (IP) and don't really have a concept of layer 2. so
putting them in a layer 2 bridge doesn't really make sense. if
the bridge has an IP then the packets may get layer-3 routed
perhaps?
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2676 [21:08:47] <SerajewelKS> maybe that's why it
doesn't work unless the bridge has an IP. if it were me, i
would only be putting tap (layer 2) interfaces in a bridge.
2677 [21:08:54] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: tuntap virtual interface
that used by qemo-kvm machine's
2678 [21:09:04] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: right but tun and tap are
different
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2680 [21:09:19] <SerajewelKS> if you are using tun, then try using
tap instead, and make the necessary configuration changes to support
tap
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2682 [21:10:08] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: actually i'm using tap
(ip tuntap add t0 mode tap )
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2684 [21:10:28] <SerajewelKS> okay. then it should work fine even
without an IP on the bridge.
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2686 [21:11:00] <SerajewelKS> note that bridges have a learning
phase before they enter the forwarding phase. this can take up to 30
seconds with default settings, so you may just need to wait a bit
before forwarding across the bridge works.
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2694 [21:14:15] <SerajewelKS> (that's only if STP is on,
though)
2695 [21:14:23] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: at first ip address
assigned to bridge by libvirt and two interface were able to ping
each other , but when i remove ip from bridge it does not work
anymore
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2698 [21:15:23] <SerajewelKS> i assume the two VMs are configured
to be in the same subnet
2699 [21:15:40] <bltzfsck> /quit
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2705 [21:16:46] <SerajewelKS> things to try: make sure the taps
are in promisc mode. enable STP on the bridge and see if that helps.
2706 [21:17:20] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: there is one VM , i created
second tap interface myself and add it to bridge (it does not
attached to any VM)
2707 [21:17:44] <SerajewelKS> ... what?
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2709 [21:17:51] <SerajewelKS> so what system is going to answer
the pings then?
2710 [21:18:43] <mamadg_> i don't know but when bridge has ip
address some system answer ping's
2711 [21:18:55] <SerajewelKS> you need to figure out wtf is going
on with that other tap
2712 [21:19:01] <SerajewelKS> because what you're describing
doesn't make any sense
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2715 [21:19:26] <SerajewelKS> a tap interface is usually
"connected" to a running program, which processes the
packets. in the case of the VM, that's the VM hypervisor.
2716 [21:19:44] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: do you know any good
resource or document that explain about how linux interfaces work ?
2717 [21:19:45] <SerajewelKS> if you just create a tap then
nothing is "connected" to it, and it's a black hole
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2719 [21:21:02] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: ok , but if it is black
hole , who answering the ping's ?
2720 [21:21:11] <SerajewelKS> how should i know :P
2721 [21:21:34] <SerajewelKS> you haven't even given
information about what interfaces are assigned what IPs, what IP
you're pinging and from where...
2722 [21:21:48] <SerajewelKS> all i know is you have two taps in a
bridge and you're trying to ping across the bridge
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2724 [21:21:56] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: that is problem i trying to
understand how it works
2725 [21:22:02] <mamadg_> SerajewelKS: ok wait a minute
2726 [21:22:16] <SerajewelKS> what you've described to me
can't work because one of the taps isn't connected to
anything
2727 [21:22:27] <SerajewelKS> it's like asking why you
can't ping across an ethernet cable that's unplugged on
one end
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2736 [21:24:18] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: picture it this way. a
bridge functions like an ethernet switch. what you've described
(bridge with 2 taps) has three cables plugged into it: each tap, and
the bridge interface itself.
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2739 [21:24:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: one "cable" for
the first tap is plugged into the VM. the one "cable" for
the second tap is not plugged in to anything.
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2744 [21:24:54] <SerajewelKS> mamadg_: so of course you cannot
ping from the VM across the second tap's cable. the cable goes
nowhere.
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2747 [21:25:59] <SerajewelKS> if you give the bridge an IP then
you should be able to ping that IP, of course
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2769 [21:36:15] <hansol> i have installed php5.4.24
2770 [21:36:20] <hansol> but now i want to remove it
2771 [21:36:22] <hansol> how to remove it ?
2772 [21:36:50] <greycat> How did you install it?
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2776 [21:37:31] <hansol> with wget and configure
2777 [21:38:21] <greycat> Then ask ##php how to uninstall it.
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2788 [21:42:24] <Ede|Popede> dpkg in disguise?
2789 [21:42:25] <dpkg_> Ede|Popede: I'm not sure, is it
larger than a breadbox?
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2791 [21:42:44] <Ede|Popede> larger than a C64? hmm...
2792 [21:43:01] <Tenkawa> more like a TRS-80
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2799 [21:45:02] <Tenkawa> and who can forget the VIC-20
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2801 [21:45:20] <Ede|Popede> and the datassette
2802 [21:45:29] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok problem solved ,
it's not about bridge ip address it's about host routing
table , i remove bridge ip address and add route (ip r add
192.168.2.0/24 dev virbr6 proto kernel scope link) now everyone are
able to ping each other
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2804 [21:46:15] <Tenkawa> oh the early days of home computers
2805 [21:46:19] <Tenkawa> heheheh
2806 [21:46:39] <Ede|Popede> yeah.. when one could memorize the
complete table of asm instructions :>
2807 [21:46:49] <Ede|Popede> is there an emulator on hardware
level?
2808 [21:46:51] <Tenkawa> indeed
2809 [21:47:01] <Tenkawa> Ede|Popede: probably
2810 [21:47:51] <Ede|Popede> would be interresting, there have
been a few different generations of the 6502 (illegal opcodes!)
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2812 [21:48:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i still don't
understand who is pinging whom considering you said that the second
tap is not connected to anything but okay
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2814 [21:48:40] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a bridge should not use
layer 3 routing for switched packets
2815 [21:49:13] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if the ports of the bridge
are not in the same subnet then you actually don't want a
bridge at all, and you just want to use layer 3 forwarding, which
_would_ involve a routing table
2816 [21:49:22] <Tenkawa> he's gone
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2818 [21:49:36] <SerajewelKS> :/
2819 [21:49:44] <SerajewelKS> hope nobody else has to maintain his
broken config
2820 [21:49:50] <Tenkawa> unless he has a second nick in here
2821 [21:49:57] <Tenkawa> he just pinged out
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2823 [21:50:44] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: remember this is not a
physical bridge, it's linux virtual bridge interface
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2826 [21:51:11] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a virtual bridge operates
pretty much the same way as an ethernet switch
2827 [21:51:15] <Tenkawa> ahh you did have 2
2828 [21:51:17] <Tenkawa> good
2829 [21:51:21] <Tenkawa> wheeew
2830 [21:51:33] <SerajewelKS> so if the parties involved in the
bridge do not share the same subnet then a bridge is the _wrong
solution_
2831 [21:51:38] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: but about tap interface
you are right , i steel don't know who answering the ping
2832 [21:52:03] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: they are in same range
2833 [21:52:11] <SerajewelKS> okay. then a host routing table is
unnecessary.
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2835 [21:52:38] <SerajewelKS> routing deals with layer 3 packets
destined for a different subnet than their source
2836 [21:52:49] <SerajewelKS> if the destination is the same
subnet then routing is not a factor
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2838 [21:53:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: in routing table we dont
set anything about ip address we just select dev
2839 [21:53:21] <SerajewelKS> so you've given me like four
pieces of information that all tell a different story, so honestly
i'm not sure what the hell you're trying to do, or even
what you _have_ done
2840 [21:53:35] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table is
IRRELEVANT for switched layer 2 packets
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2843 [21:53:52] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it does
2844 [21:53:58] <SerajewelKS> no it is not
2845 [21:54:10] <SerajewelKS> that is why i'm telling you
that part of your config is seriously wrong
2846 [21:54:20] <SerajewelKS> if adding a routing table fixes a
BRIDGE then something else is broken
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2848 [21:54:28] <SerajewelKS> a bridge does not require a
configured routing table
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2850 [21:54:36] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i'm sorry it does not
:) , english is not my first
2851 [21:55:10] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: nothing is broken ,
it's about how linux deal with it
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2855 [21:55:27] <SerajewelKS> yeah see another problem is that you
are not listening to me. something IS broken.
2856 [21:55:47] <SerajewelKS> the routing table is 100% not
necessary to make a bridge work
2857 [21:55:59] <no_gravity> Hello! How can I prevent the network
card of my laptop from going to sleep when idle? It seems to go to
sleep after just a few ms or something.
2858 [21:56:05] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: how can i test these
without ip address and ping ?
2859 [21:56:45] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: is there tool to send a
frame and check a delivery ?
2860 [21:56:45] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't know because
you still haven't given me a configuration summary that makes
any sense
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2862 [21:57:20] <SerajewelKS> you've told me "two taps
in a bridge" and "adding a routing table fixed it"
but you haven't given me IP addresses of any of the interfaces,
what IP the VM is configured for, what you're even trying to
ping and from where...
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2865 [21:57:31] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS:
replaced-url
2866 [21:57:33] <SerajewelKS> what routing table entry you added
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2868 [21:58:16] <exifbono> Hello everyone. I have a clear new
debian stretch, and I've set a hard drive so that is mounted on
/var (making sure to copy all the /var content in it before it).
Now, it mounts alright, I can ssh into it, but for some reason I
can't ping the outside world. Any idea of what may be
happening?
2869 [21:58:18] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: why does t0 have an IP?
2870 [21:58:22] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ip r add 192.168.2.0/24
dev virbr6 proto kernel scope link
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2873 [21:58:59] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: interfaces in a bridge
should not have any inet or inet6 addresses
2874 [21:59:17] <Tenkawa> exifbono: can it ping your
router/gateway?
2875 [21:59:34] <exifbono> Tenkawa, yep
2876 [21:59:37] <Tenkawa> ok
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2878 [21:59:48] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: why not ?
2879 [21:59:52] <Tenkawa> can it access outside sites?
2880 [22:00:01] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: when you put an interface
into a bridge, it effectively ceases to be an interface for the host
computer, and becomes a "port" on the bridge
2881 [22:00:07] <Tenkawa> through normal apps?
2882 [22:00:17] <Tenkawa> like links/lynx/firefox?
2883 [22:00:39] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok!!?
2884 [22:00:42] <exifbono> Tenkawa, no, nothing on the outside...
I tried a simple wget and and apt update, can't resolve no
address
2885 [22:00:48] <Tenkawa> ok
2886 [22:01:00] <Tenkawa> see whats in your /etc/resolv.conf
2887 [22:01:17] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a bridge effectively is
joining multiple interfaces into a single interface + physical
network
2888 [22:01:20] <Tenkawa> see if theres a nameserver line
2889 [22:01:28] <exifbono> Tenkawa, it is all commented out
2890 [22:01:32] <Tenkawa> that has an ip of your router
2891 [22:01:33] <Tenkawa> ok
2892 [22:01:39] <Tenkawa> thats part of the problem
2893 [22:01:42] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: so the layer 3 (IP)
configuration needs to be on the bridge itself (virbr6) and not the
bridge ports (t0 and vnet1)
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2895 [22:02:09] <Tenkawa> your not picking up full dns lease
2896 [22:02:15] <Tenkawa> er dhcp
2897 [22:02:28] <exifbono> oh... how can a /var disk change
provoke that?
2898 [22:02:30] <Tenkawa> (I assu,me you are using dhcp)
2899 [22:02:38] <exifbono> I am using static address actuall
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2901 [22:02:41] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok i don't get it !!!
2902 [22:02:42] <Tenkawa> oh
2903 [22:02:44] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: also note that interface
t0 has "state DOWN"
2904 [22:02:56] <Tenkawa> if you are static you need to create
that file
2905 [22:03:06] <Tenkawa> that is nic dependent
2906 [22:03:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't know how to
explain it any clearer. interfaces in a bridge should never have IP
addresses of their own.
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2909 [22:03:50] <Tenkawa> exifbono: 2 lines will fix it
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2912 [22:04:05] <exifbono> Tenkawa, thanks, I'll give it a
try, I found another pc file...
2913 [22:04:11] <Tenkawa> cool
2914 [22:04:21] <Tenkawa> try it and good luck
2915 [22:04:39] <exifbono> thanks a bunch for your time either
way, Tenkawa
2916 [22:04:45] <Tenkawa> no problem
2917 [22:04:46] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: interfaces in a bridge are
distinct layer 2 interfaces, but they cease to be distinct layer 3
entities; the layer 3 configuration goes on the bridge interface.
2918 [22:05:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: hence the bridged
interfaces retain a separate hardware address. but they should NOT
have IP (layer 3) addresses.
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2920 [22:06:10] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the VM configuration looks
fine
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2923 [22:06:48] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i'm guessing t0 is
the tap you created by hand, because it is assigned an IP (which is
incorrect) and is also marked as "down".
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2925 [22:07:19] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: t0 is your "unplugged
ethernet cable" in this scenario. it can be part of the bridge,
but there's nothing on the other side that will respond to any
packets.
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2927 [22:07:42] <exifbono> Tenkawa, I added this lines to
resolv.conf and rebooted, but nothing changed: search station
nameserver 192.168.1.1
2928 [22:07:50] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table entry
probably patched something up because t0 isn't configured in
the same subnet even (/32 instead of /24)
2929 [22:07:55] <Tenkawa> no
2930 [22:07:56] <exifbono> (192.168.1.1 is my router and gateway)
2931 [22:08:01] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it is , but i can ping
it from VM
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2933 [22:08:09] <Tenkawa> namserver 192.168.1.1
2934 [22:08:12] <Tenkawa> thats all
2935 [22:08:16] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: that's because you
incorrectly assigned it an IP address
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2938 [22:08:23] <exifbono> oh... let's get to it again!
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2940 [22:08:29] <Tenkawa> dont need a reboot afterwards
2941 [22:08:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: repeat after me: "i
will not assign IP addresses to interfaces that are in a
bridge"
2942 [22:08:36] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: about t0 address i found
out and fix it
2943 [22:08:41] <Tenkawa> just go to a command line
2944 [22:08:58] <Tenkawa> and try to nslookup a full domainname
2945 [22:09:05] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. so the only problem
here is that t0 doesn't do anything because there's no VM
or software program that will reply to packets.
2946 [22:09:05] <Tenkawa> if it resolves
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2948 [22:09:39] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if you launch a new VM and
assign it an IP address in the range 192.168.2.0/24 and add its vnet
interface into the bridge, the two VMs should be able to ping each
other, without any extra configuration
2949 [22:09:52] <Tenkawa> I imagine you are missing your gateway
too
2950 [22:09:52] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: regardless of a routing
table, and regardless of whether virbr6 has an IP, they would be
able to ping.
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2952 [22:10:14] <Tenkawa> which is an easy test to run
2953 [22:10:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes i tested that
2954 [22:10:32] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. so do you have any
other questions?
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2957 [22:12:01] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: actually i don't why
i should not add ip address to bridge interface or bridge it self
and how bridging work in linux :)
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2959 [22:12:40] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: can you introduce me some
resource or document to learn about that ?
2960 [22:12:46] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the bridge interface
itself (virbr6) CAN and probably SHOULD have an IP address. the
bridge interface is where your host connects to the bridged network,
effectively.
2961 [22:13:02] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the physical interfaces
that make up the bridge (t0 and vnet1) SHOULD NOT have an IP
address.
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2963 [22:13:17] <exifbono> Tenkawa, what do you know, it works!
That's sorcery!
2964 [22:13:20] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: do you know how an
ethernet switch works?
2965 [22:13:29] <Tenkawa> exifbono: excellent :)
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2968 [22:14:00] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes , i already read ICND1
and know about flooding and mac-table and ...
2969 [22:14:23] <Tenkawa> you can add your domain with that search
stanza to append it for short lookups
2970 [22:14:28] <hansol> how to install libc client ?
2971 [22:14:34] <Tenkawa> for stuff like avahi, bounjour etc
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2975 [22:14:52] <Tenkawa> but its completely optionakl
2976 [22:14:55] <Tenkawa> er optional
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2979 [22:18:30] <exifbono> Tenkawa, seems like interesting stuff,
it goes down in my wiki for future fun times =)
2980 [22:18:36] <Tenkawa> cool
2981 [22:18:37] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: okay. you can think of a
bridge as a "virtual ethernet switch".
2982 [22:18:41] <Tenkawa> it is fun
2983 [22:18:43] <Tenkawa> :)
2984 [22:18:47] <exifbono> thanks again :)
2985 [22:18:52] <Tenkawa> no problem
2986 [22:18:56] <Tenkawa> good luck
2987 [22:19:02] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in your head, think of an
ethernet switch. one cable goes to virbr6, one cable goes to t0, and
one cable goes to vnet1.
2988 [22:19:19] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: then it should be clear
why you don't put IP addresses on t0 and vnet1.
2989 [22:19:28] <Tenkawa> wiki.debian.org is a great resource too
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2991 [22:19:45] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: a switch doesn't care
about IP addresses. the only interface that needs an IP is virbr6,
because that's the connection from the "switch" to
the host computer.
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2993 [22:20:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the other two interfaces
at that point are just kind of the ethernet cables that connect to
another host. in the case of vnet1, it's more or less just the
"cable" connecting the VM to the switch.
2994 [22:20:36] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it doesn't need an
IP. the VM's eth1 is what "gives it an IP" more or
less.
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2998 [22:23:06] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: another way to think of it
is that a bridge joins multiple network segments into a single
network segment. if you have the host computer with three interfaces
(two physical and one bridge) then why would the host computer need
THREE addresses on the network segment!? it should only need one.
2999 [22:23:26] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: and that's what the
bridge interface is for: you put the layer 3 address on the bridge.
then the host only has a single IP on the entire network segment.
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3001 [22:24:28] <SerajewelKS> (erm network segment may be the
wrong term... subnet may be better. a "layer 3 network
segment.")
3002 [22:24:50] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok that right , so virbr6
play a switch and cable to host role , vnet1 is cable to VM
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3005 [22:25:25] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: right. so if you put an IP
on virbr0, and vnet1, and t0, it's like plugging your host
computer into the switch three times and giving each its own IP.
3006 [22:26:21] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: so when i put ip address
on t0 , i connect to my host ..
3007 [22:26:36] <SerajewelKS> well you shouldn't put an IP on
t0 at all
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3010 [22:28:18] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: virbr6 has no ip on it ,
so it's not connect to host (just play switch role) , vnet1
connected to VM , so i add t0 and assign it ip address (connect it
to my host)
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3012 [22:28:58] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: t0 should not have an IP
address either
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3014 [22:29:13] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the "thing" that
uses t0 will handle that. right now t0 is not connected to anything.
3015 [22:29:25] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in the switch scenario, t0
is an ethernet cable that is plugged into the switch, but the other
end is not plugged in to anything.
3016 [22:29:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: you still don't give
it an IP!
3017 [22:29:40] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the correct solution is to
plug it in to something
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3020 [22:30:15] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: forget about t0 , think
about dummy interface
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3022 [22:30:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i don't care what
kind of interface it is. if it's a bridge port, it does NOT get
an IP.
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3032 [22:33:20] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok it's wrong to
assign ip to tap interface , but happen when i do the wrong thing
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3034 [22:34:13] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: why it need routing table
entry and who answering the ping's to it ?
3035 [22:34:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: no, it's NOT wrong to
assign an IP to a tap interface
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3038 [22:34:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it's wrong to assign
an IP to an interface that is part of a bridge, regardless of what
type of interface it is
3039 [22:34:53] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if a tap interface is not
part of a bridge, then it probably SHOULD have an IP.
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3047 [22:40:17] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: is it like that i
connected one port of switch to another one ?
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3052 [22:44:48] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: no, not really. putting an
IP on a switch port is more like connecting the host computer to the
switch multiple times, but not exactly.
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3055 [22:48:09] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: don't worry too much
about "what it's like" and just know that it's
not a good idea to do that :)
3056 [22:49:03] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: from the perspective of
the host, on layer 3 and above, you're basically combining
multiple interfaces into a single interface (the bridge interface).
3057 [22:49:28] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: so the layer 3
configuration should go on the bridge interface, and ONLY on the
bridge interface.
3058 [22:50:16] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: it's like i already
have cable to switch but i add another one
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3060 [22:51:14] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: like i say i trying
understand system otherwise i use libvirt to do all these thing for
me
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3063 [22:51:56] <jhutchins_wk> Multiple parallel connections work,
they can even be bound together for more throughput.
3064 [22:52:23] <fragment1> never cross the streams
3065 [22:52:33] <SerajewelKS> right, there may be reasons to do it
with a physical switch. right now we're talking about bridges
and why you don't assign an IP to the bridge port interfaces.
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3073 [22:56:40] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: yes it is useless in
virtual environment but why does not work ? why linux does not
forward frame's through t0 interface ? it's like t0 (or
dummy0) does not connected to switch
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3075 [22:57:34] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it is working, linux does
forward frames into t0. but there's nothing on the other end of
t0 to reply to them.
3076 [22:57:59] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: in particular any
broadcast packets (e.g. ARP) will get sent to t0 (if it's up)
but nothing will ever reply.
3077 [22:59:44] <SerajewelKS> a tap interface without anything
controlling it through /dev/net/tun is like a disconnected cable
3078 [22:59:49] <SerajewelKS> you can chuck frames at it, but they
go nowhere
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3080 [23:00:05] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: so if i open t0 with
python script i should receive ping packets ?
3081 [23:00:36] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: sure
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3083 [23:00:55] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: but only if your script
responds to ARP correctly
3084 [23:01:08] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: ok
3085 [23:01:16] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: otherwise the layer 2
bridge (switch) won't know what bridge port owns the IP being
pinged
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3088 [23:01:36] <SerajewelKS> like a switch, the bridge learns
which ports own which IPs by observing ARP packets
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3092 [23:03:00] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: but there is another
question : t0 is cable that not connected to anything , but when we
have route like this <192.168.2.0/24 dev virbr6 proto kernel
scope link> (virbr6 steal does not have ip) , i get ping answer
in VM from t0 ip address
3093 [23:03:28] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: if you assign t0 an IP,
then yes, the kernel will pong. that doesn't mean the
configuration is "good."
3094 [23:03:41] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it just means the kernel
is tolerating your broken config
3095 [23:04:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: there's not really
much difference between putting an IP on t0, and just putting that
IP as a secondary address on virbr6
3096 [23:05:27] <SerajewelKS> i'm trying to think of an
example where they would behave differently and i can't come up
with anything
3097 [23:05:39] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i thing when i assign IP
to t0 it does not really attached to t0 , it just like that system
know's the ip address and send packet's according to route
table
3098 [23:05:50] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the routing table is not
even relevant here
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3100 [23:06:15] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: i should take that back.
what address did you put on t0? is it a /32 or a /24?
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3102 [23:06:26] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: /24
3103 [23:06:48] <SerajewelKS> okay then you should not need a
routing table entry for it to work. i don't really 100% know
because this is a "bad" config and you shouldn't do
it.
3104 [23:06:58] <SerajewelKS> if a routing table entry is
necessary, that's further evidence that this is a bad thing to
do
3105 [23:07:49] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: again i dont care about
good or bad
3106 [23:08:42] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i do weird thing to
understand how linux work
3107 [23:09:16] <annadane> linux doesn't work based on bad
practices... ideally
3108 [23:09:22] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: it's a bit silly to
try to understand how a broken configuration works
3109 [23:09:31] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: the answer will range from
"sensibly" to "not at all"
3110 [23:09:40] <SerajewelKS> linux does not try to make bad
configurations work
3111 [23:09:53] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: in case of routing table
we do not specify gateway we specify which interface to work
3112 [23:09:54] <annadane> depending on who you ask
3113 [23:09:57] <joepublic> I have heard "practice makes
perfect" but it's wrong. "perfect" practice
makes perfecty. practicing "wrong" makes you really good
at messing up.
3114 [23:10:01] <annadane> but no, learn to do stuff properly.
please.
3115 [23:10:23] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: yes, that's how
link-scoped routes work
3116 [23:10:24] <joepublic> I mean, sure, learn what not to do.
But by not doing it.
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3119 [23:11:00] <mamadg__> ok introduce me some good paper about
how linux handle network
3120 [23:11:11] <SerajewelKS> erm not link scoped
3121 [23:11:23] <SerajewelKS> wait. yes.
3122 [23:11:30] <Ede|Popede> are the HOWTOs still a thing?
3123 [23:11:34] <greycat> mamadg__: try ##networking or #netfilter
3124 [23:11:53] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: you should forget about
putting an IP on a bridge port though. don't try to understand
how it works. there is NO POINT to trying to understand how
something wrong works.
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3126 [23:12:09] <annadane> "it depends on the network and
what you're trying to accomplish"
3127 [23:12:17] <annadane> "ask the lovely people in
#debian"
3128 [23:12:35] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: this is like a C/C++
developer asking how some undefined behavior works. the answer is
"it doesn't matter, don't do that."
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3130 [23:13:08] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am struggling to get a debian
install on lvm-on-luks to boot
3131 [23:13:14] <irreleph4nt> I am using refind as a bootloader
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3134 [23:13:49] <irreleph4nt> refind itself works but the boot
fails because "volume group XYZ cannot be found"
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3136 [23:14:25] <irreleph4nt> What really ticks me off is the fact
that the debian boot never prompts for my LUKS passphrase
3137 [23:15:24] <irreleph4nt> it seems like the initramfs is
missing LUKS and LVM support and quite honestly I have no freaking
clue how to add that on Debian
3138 [23:15:33] <irreleph4nt> it's just so much simpler on
other distros
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3140 [23:16:12] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: if you boot into the
system somehow (which includes chrooting from the installer) then
"update-initramfs -k all -u" should do it
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3142 [23:16:29] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well that's what I
am doing
3143 [23:16:35] <irreleph4nt> and it does _not_ work
3144 [23:16:55] <irreleph4nt> that command complains about
/sbin/fsck.crypto_LUKS not being present
3145 [23:17:08] <irreleph4nt> this is a UEFI install by the way
3146 [23:17:12] <irreleph4nt> so my ESP is FAT32
3147 [23:17:16] <SerajewelKS> then something else is probably
wrong... i couldn't tell you what. i've never booted
straight from LUKS before. i always use a separate, unencrypted
/boot
3148 [23:17:31] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: that's what I do
aswell
3149 [23:17:40] <irreleph4nt> my disk has 2 partitions
3150 [23:17:44] <mamadg__> SerajewelKS: i have to go thank you for
answering :)
3151 [23:17:49] <SerajewelKS> mamadg__: np, good luck!
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3153 [23:18:04] <irreleph4nt> sda1 is my boot partition which is
not encrypted and formatted FAT32
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3155 [23:18:30] <SerajewelKS> oh, i thought the LUKS volume
contained /boot
3156 [23:18:33] <irreleph4nt> sda2 is LUKS encrypted. my root
partition sits on there
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3158 [23:18:50] <SerajewelKS> i have a system that boots like this
(with grub) and it works fine...
3159 [23:18:58] <SerajewelKS> except ext4 everywhere instead of
fat32
3160 [23:19:23] <SerajewelKS> when you rebuilt the initramfs, was
/boot mounted correctly, _within_ the chroot?
3161 [23:19:23] <irreleph4nt> how do I tell Debian to load
dm-crypt on boot?
3162 [23:19:38] <SerajewelKS> it's possible that you built a
new initramfs into /boot on the / volume
3163 [23:19:42] <SerajewelKS> which wouldn't work, for
obvious reasons
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3165 [23:19:53] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, before I enter
the chroot I mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/boot
3166 [23:20:02] <SerajewelKS> hmm
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3174 [23:22:21] <SerajewelKS> wait you said the initramfs
isn't even being generated due to that error?
3175 [23:22:33] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, it is generated
3176 [23:22:43] <irreleph4nt> but complains that the binary is
missing
3177 [23:22:58] <SerajewelKS> okay. that's fine, i think.
3178 [23:23:01] <irreleph4nt> what do I need to do in order for
Debian to prompt me for my LUKS passphrase during boot?
3179 [23:23:05] <SerajewelKS> after update-initramfs do you
update-grub?
3180 [23:23:08] <irreleph4nt> I have afeeling I am missing
something
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3182 [23:23:32] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I don't use GRUB.
I use rEFInd as bootloader instead
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3184 [23:23:53] <SerajewelKS> oh right. well.
3185 [23:24:03] <SerajewelKS> before you run update-initramfs,
check that /etc/crypttab is correct
3186 [23:24:28] <SerajewelKS> i believe this gets copied into the
initramfs so the kernel knows what volumes need to be unlocked in
the initrd environment.
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3189 [23:24:59] <SerajewelKS> if possible, specify the source
device by UUID instead of /dev path as that could change
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3191 [23:25:56] <SerajewelKS> if you set this all up using the
partition editor of the installer then it should have generated it
for you
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3193 [23:26:08] <SerajewelKS> if you're doing it by hand, you
have to set it up yourself
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3195 [23:26:20] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: so on Debian I am
required to place my root partition information in crypttab as well?
OMG
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3197 [23:26:43] <SerajewelKS> yes? otherwise how is the kernel to
know what to unlock during early boot?
3198 [23:27:06] <SerajewelKS> should it just look around for any
and every LUKS partition and ask you to unlock it, even if it
doesn't know if it's required to boot?
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3201 [23:27:42] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well on Arch Linux for
example you only use crypttab for any non-root partitions you want
to unlock _after_boot
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3206 [23:28:05] <SerajewelKS> then there must be a separate boot
crypttab somewhere
3207 [23:28:43] <SerajewelKS> that or the script that builds an
arch initrd looks at the current system state to derive the layers
around /
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3212 [23:29:59] <SerajewelKS> i prefer manually building a
crypttab anyway. perhaps you need a / and a /home to be mounted from
different LUKS-encrypted volumes before booting.
3213 [23:29:59] <irreleph4nt> I am going to try and find details
on crypttab then
3214 [23:30:05] <irreleph4nt> i.e. what I need to put in there
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3216 [23:30:09] <SerajewelKS> man 5 crypttab
3217 [23:30:18] <irreleph4nt> thanks
3218 [23:30:28] <SerajewelKS> something like "cryptroot
UUID=luks-uuid none luks"
3219 [23:30:30] <irreleph4nt> I'll linger around here for a
bit in case this also doesn't help
3220 [23:30:48] <SerajewelKS> you can find the UUID with
"file -s /dev/$LUKS_PARTITION"
3221 [23:31:09] <SerajewelKS> e.g. mine looks like
"sda3_crypt UUID=76378f25-6c1d-4b7c-a8cf-5dedab34dc11 none
luks"
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3223 [23:32:40] <SerajewelKS> once that is done, update
3224 [23:32:52] <SerajewelKS> once that is done,
"update-initramfs -k all -u" again then try booting
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3231 [23:37:47] <Bundestrojaner> hello. I'm searching for a
new Notebook and want to run Debian on it. How is nVidia Optimus
supported nowadays if you are willing to use the proprietary nvidia
driver?
3232 [23:37:47] <Bundestrojaner> as far as i understand the wikis
of debian, arch and ubuntuusers, the nvidia-driver allows you to
switch between Intel IGP and nVidia GPU - is that correct? Some
Wikis mention display tearing and other problems, does it still
occur?
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3234 [23:38:34] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: is sda3_crypt the name
of the device within your volume group?
3235 [23:38:57] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: i.e.
/dev/mapper/<Group>-sda3_crypt?
3236 [23:39:16] <Bundestrojaner> i don't need any dynamic
switching like on windows or as bumblebee tried to implement it (if
i got this right)
3237 [23:39:29] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: no, it's the name
of the device-mapper name that will be created for the unencrypted
volume. e.g. /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt is the LVM PV.
3238 [23:39:49] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: it really doesn't
matter much what you put; the LVM prober should find the PV
automatically
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3240 [23:40:37] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: this config was
generated by the debian installer. it chooses
"<physical-luks-device>_crypt"
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3245 [23:41:55] <annadane> Bundestrojaner, the only thing i know
about optimus is it requires specific instructions to use the
proprietary driver and some people have gotten into trouble
following the wiki i think?
3246 [23:42:00] <annadane> otherwise i don't know much about
it, sorry
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3248 [23:42:17] <annadane> it's not as simple as "just
install the nvidia driver"
3249 [23:42:21] <SerajewelKS> my coworker has an optimus device
and never got bumblebee to work correctly
3250 [23:42:26] <SerajewelKS> he fiddled with it for days
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3255 [23:44:23] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: well, all that did not
help either
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3257 [23:44:36] <irreleph4nt> I am giving up, Debian is just not
worth my time like this
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3259 [23:45:17] <Bundestrojaner> SerajewelKS: that's what i
read also. but bumblebee didn't see any development since
2013...
3260 [23:46:34] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: it's possible that
the crypttab name must match whatever it's set as in the
environment you're running update-initramfs in. e.g. in that
case the installer.
3261 [23:47:05] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: I am not sure I
understand what you mean
3262 [23:47:08] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: "lsblk"
should tell you what that is, e.g. i have "sda3_crypt 254:0 0
232G 0 crypt"
3263 [23:47:24] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: you're running
update-initramfs from the installer, yes? after chrooting into your
system?
3264 [23:47:32] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: yes
3265 [23:47:40] <annadane> f!@#ing nvidia.
3266 [23:48:01] <SerajewelKS> okay. then the installer opened the
LUKS device with a specific name. it's possible that crypttab
has to match that for the initramfs-tools-core scripts to notice
that it's required to boot.
3267 [23:48:07] <SerajewelKS> lsblk will tell you what that name
is
3268 [23:49:05] <SerajewelKS> the initramfs-core-tools scripts do
a lot of looking around for things like LVM-in-LUKS
3269 [23:49:19] <SerajewelKS> i assume that your / is specified in
fstab by UUID?
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3271 [23:50:47] <SerajewelKS> i've generally left well enough
alone with the config the installer generates, except i've
*added* encrypted disks
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3273 [23:51:08] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: yes, my fstab
references / by UUID
3274 [23:51:08] <Bundestrojaner> annadane: the debian-wiki seems
pretty complicated while the ubuntu-wiki says it works
out-of-the-box.
3275 [23:51:08] <Bundestrojaner> it seems to be extremely hard to
find information about this which is not from ~2014...
3276 [23:51:38] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: ok that's good. i
think if the device name in crypttab matches the device name the
installer rescue mode uses for the device, it should work.
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3279 [23:51:51] <irreleph4nt> SerajewelKS: let me try that
3280 [23:51:56] <irreleph4nt> thanks man for all the help so far
3281 [23:52:03] <irreleph4nt> has been of great use :)
3282 [23:52:08] <SerajewelKS> but i've never set LUKS up by
hand for /
3283 [23:52:17] <SerajewelKS> so i'm kind of doing some
educated guessing here
3284 [23:52:22] <SerajewelKS> no problem, this stuff interests me
a lot
3285 [23:52:45] <irreleph4nt> as I have said earlier, this is just
sooooo much simpler / easier on other distros
3286 [23:52:59] <irreleph4nt> and one of the reasons why I avoid
Debian wherever I can to be honest
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3288 [23:53:22] <SerajewelKS> *shrug* i've never had this
issue
3289 [23:53:59] <Bundestrojaner> annadane:
replaced-url
3290 [23:53:59] <Bundestrojaner> sry, i didn't find this in
english
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3294 [23:55:14] <SerajewelKS> irreleph4nt: this stuff doesn't
bother me as much because each distro has its own way of configuring
boot
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3296 [23:56:08] <SerajewelKS> i like explicitly declaring
boot-required LUKS volumes in crypttab, because otherwise you have
to make a wild guess about whether a keyfile is required
3297 [23:56:21] <Bundestrojaner> if i got the current situation
with optimus right, switching manually between the gpus works
out-of-the-box but dynamic switching between them is close to
impossible
3298 [23:56:24] <SerajewelKS> if arch detects it all, how can it
be sure there's no keyfile for /
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