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94 [00:12:10] <annadane> nooo
95 [00:12:15] <annadane> greycat changed his logoff message
96 [00:12:20] <annadane> everything is ruined
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108 [00:17:26] <kingsley__> Can you recommend video conferencing
that's
109 [00:17:31] <kingsley__> 1.) open source
110 [00:17:37] <kingsley__> 2.) packaged for debian
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112 [00:17:57] <kingsley__> 3.) encrypts traffic and
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114 [00:18:20] <kingsley__> 4.) is easy to install and use,
particularly for Windows users?
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117 [00:19:26] <trek00> kingsley__: for 1-3 tox chat, but i
don't know if it's easy to install
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120 [00:19:52] <tds> jitsi meet is packaged for debian, but in
their own repos, not directly in debian's
121 [00:20:03] <trek00> qtox on debian
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123 [00:22:19] <kingsley__> trek00: I'm researching qtox
now. Through no fault of yours, I failed to mention that it should
be able to connect at least 4 people.
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125 [00:23:11] <Allain> riot ?
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127 [00:23:39] <colinmr> jitsi doesn't work well just saying
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132 [00:24:54] <trek00> kingsley__: i don't know if i can
make group video calls
133 [00:24:55] <kingsley__> q
134 [00:25:17] <kingsley__> Oops! Sorry. I accidentally typed
"q" in the wrong window.
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139 [00:25:39] <annadane> Quite.
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142 [00:26:49] <Unit193> For meeting type things I've used
mumble, which doesn't fit your needs as it's audio-only
(but rather good, actually.)
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149 [00:29:14] <FUtz> hey guys anyone can help me in shellscript
?
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151 [00:29:18] <FUtz>
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152 [00:29:32] <FUtz> i need do it
153 [00:29:51] <FUtz> only one "read"
154 [00:30:00] <FUtz> its possible? :S
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158 [00:30:46] <trek00> FUtz: if i understand, you need a way to
convert 2.3.5x to 2.3.5?
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171 [00:32:22] <FUtz> trek00
172 [00:32:25] <FUtz>
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173 [00:32:40] <FUtz> i need download from here
174 [00:32:50] <FUtz> but have folders
175 [00:33:09] <FUtz> site/source/old/[versions]/file
176 [00:33:49] <FUtz> I would not like to use two
"read"
177 [00:34:00] <trek00> FUtz: DIR=$(echo $VER | sed
's/\([0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\).*/\1/')
178 [00:34:00] <FUtz> just one, is possible?
179 [00:34:27] <FUtz> oh my god
180 [00:34:30] <FUtz> :O
181 [00:34:45] <FUtz> i will try , wait
182 [00:36:22] <FUtz> oh my god
183 [00:36:26] <FUtz> oh my god
184 [00:36:29] <FUtz> thank you very much :D
185 [00:36:31] <trek00> it's ok?
186 [00:36:33] <trek00> good :)
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189 [00:36:52] <FUtz> you are amazing :D
190 [00:36:59] <trek00> :)
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200 [00:46:06] <kingsley__> Allain: Is riot packaged for debian?
If so, what is it called?
201 [00:47:15] <annadane> seems not to be from a quick apt search
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203 [00:47:27] <annadane> the riot chat thing, anyway, i assume
that's what is meant
204 [00:47:34] <joepublic> riot-web is not packaged in debian
205 [00:48:57] <joepublic> riot provides instructions, use at
your risk.
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233 [01:10:16] <Akuw> i just installed debian in new laptop, but
when screen saver start, screen is black and there is now way to use
Ctrl+Alt+F1
234 [01:10:31] <Akuw> of any other
235 [01:10:38] <Akuw> never seen that
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237 [01:10:47] <Akuw> Thinkpad P53s
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240 [01:11:55] <trek00> Akuw: ctrl+alt+f2 too i guess
241 [01:13:20] <trek00> Akuw: may be blindly typing this command
will bring up again the monitor? xset dpms force on
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252 [01:22:36] <aleph-> trek00: Yeah looking at the postint
script, it doesn't do anything to ensure it restarts. Maybe
it's because there's a sysvinit script under /etc/init.d/
is what causes the restart after upgrade? Yet querying system limits
on the restarted processes, and they've inherited system limits
I only designate in the systemd service file... So this is odd...
253 [01:25:14] <groovygravy49> hello I am having some confusion
as to where to back up files to. I have a root partition that keeps
getting crammed because of backing up files to a hdd. It is probably
an easy solution but I can't seem to figure it out.
254 [01:25:16] <trek00> aleph-: i'm not familiar with
systemd, sorry, with init scripts the package needed to restart the
service after upgrade
255 [01:25:24] <groovygravy49>
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258 [01:26:43] <trek00> aleph-: checking cron pacakge postinst it
needs to restart also with systemd
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260 [01:26:53] <aleph-> trek00: Perfectly alright, just such a
weird situation....
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266 [01:29:12] <trek00> groovygravy49: ideally you would backup
on another disk, so if one disk fails you have the backup on the
other
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269 [01:29:46] <Akuw> found the way
270 [01:30:09] <Akuw> i have to press Fn+Ctrl+Alt
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272 [01:30:29] <Akuw> how can install wifi drivers now?
273 [01:30:56] <groovygravy49> @trek00 thats what Im trying to
do. However the root partition on the non backup gets full from each
backup.
274 [01:31:09] <groovygravy49> trek00 if that makes sense
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282 [01:33:17] <trek00> groovygravy49: if /media/user/22ca.....
is on another disk, i can't figure why the root partition gets
ful
283 [01:33:53] <trek00> Akuw: it depends by the hardware may be
lspci will show you the exact model of the wifi adapter
284 [01:33:54] <groovygravy49> trek00 yeah /media/user/ is the
hdd
285 [01:34:11] <groovygravy49> external
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288 [01:34:44] <trek00> groovygravy49: rsync simply copy things
from the source to destination, so the source should not grow
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290 [01:35:02] <lwp> groovygravy49, can you show us some output
illustrating what you mean about the root getting full ?
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292 [01:36:05] <Akuw> Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi
293 [01:36:26] <Akuw> but to install i need just install .deb
file?
294 [01:36:28] <Akuw> package
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296 [01:36:40] <WoC`> dpkg -ivh <file>
297 [01:36:40] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, WoC`
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299 [01:37:11] <dvs> !iwlwifi
300 [01:37:12] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports
several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N,
Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me
about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi
package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are
listed at
replaced-url
301 [01:37:28] <trek00> Akuw: may be you need the firmware
302 [01:38:15] <Akuw> where can i get the firmware
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304 [01:38:25] <Akuw>
replaced-url
305 [01:38:27] <Akuw> there
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308 [01:38:49] <Akuw> i downloaded that
309 [01:38:56] <trek00> Akuw: jessie is your debian version?
310 [01:39:23] <Akuw> no, Debian 10
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313 [01:39:28] <trek00> ok
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317 [01:40:25] <trek00> Akuw: this package
replaced-url
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321 [01:42:21] <Akuw> installed
322 [01:42:44] <Akuw> now what
323 [01:43:15] <trek00> Akuw: well, this should bring up your
driver: modprobe iwlwifi
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325 [01:44:19] <trek00> Akuw: and then you could configure it
with your preferred method (with network-manager, wicd, interfaces
file or manually)
326 [01:44:51] <Akuw> what package is modprobe ?
327 [01:45:01] <Akuw> command not found
328 [01:45:12] <deego> kmod
329 [01:45:16] <trek00> Akuw: you need to run it as root
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331 [01:45:38] <Akuw> no output
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333 [01:46:02] <trek00> Akuw: it's good
334 [01:46:30] <groovygravy49> @lwp hope this helps. The
externall hdd is no mounted. I just deleted all the files I recently
backed up to it and it "cleared" 40% of the root
partition. However this will dissipate once I back up again. Before:
replaced-url
335 [01:46:38] <trek00> Akuw: it should printed something in the
logs, it should be ready to be configured
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337 [01:47:27] <trek00> groovygravy49: if it is not mounted, you
are actually writing to the root partition
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339 [01:48:27] <groovygravy49> @lwp maybe im not using rsync
right. No I backed up the files of course when the hdd was mounted
duh. But there is a "copy" of the backup that is stored in
root.
340 [01:48:45] <groovygravy49> @lwp which is redundant
341 [01:49:35] <trek00> groovygravy49: where that copy is stored?
under which directory?
342 [01:50:16] <groovygravy49> trek00 /media/user/22ca..... is
where the copy is stored
343 [01:50:57] <trek00> groovygravy49: well probably you done an
rsync when /media/user/22ca... whas not mounted
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351 [01:58:56] <groovygravy49> trek00 wiping the whole drive
clean and starting over. Will let you know . Thanks
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360 [02:01:22] <trek00> groovygravy49: when you mount a partition
on top of a directory, then you write on that partition, but if you
don't mount you write directly in that directory (on the root
fs)
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368 [02:04:02] <groovygravy49> trek00 how can I determine which
directory to mount to? I am kinda ignorant to how it works. The hdd
"just" mounts.
369 [02:04:41] <trek00> groovygravy49: well you have installed
something that automount disks
370 [02:05:07] <groovygravy49> @trek00 how do you personally
mount drives
371 [02:05:39] <trek00> groovygravy49: you just need to check on
which directory it was automounted and then rsync to that directory
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373 [02:05:56] <trek00> groovygravy49: using the mount command,
but automount is more user friendly
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379 [02:08:40] <groovygravy49> @trek00 the drive probably
automounts to root thats the problem
380 [02:09:52] <trek00> groovygravy49: plug in the disk and then
do a df and it will show where it is mounted
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521 [03:43:49] <someone934> What is the help channel question
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522 [03:43:56] <someone934> Where}
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531 [03:50:27] <WoC`> someone934, help channel for ?
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533 [03:54:41] <tomg> someone934, you're in the help channel
534 [03:54:50] <tomg> !ask
535 [03:54:50] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
536 [03:55:12] <someone934> I have a problem with the
Debian-Installer for Windows 10, I installed for experimental
testing and now after I deleted a Debian partition on my computer
Windows doesn't boot, instead, the Debian install loads. I
tried to mount the windows partition in a live CD but it says that
its hibernating.
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538 [03:55:53] <BazookaTooth> you can clear that flag
539 [03:56:09] <BazookaTooth> just not going to get into it cuz
it's not a debian thing
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543 [03:59:20] <BazookaTooth> xy problem
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547 [04:02:02] <someone934> Its more a Debian thing that a
windows thing
548 [04:03:35] <BazookaTooth> debian seems to be working. what
about your windows?
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553 [04:05:29] <BazookaTooth> look up how to clear the flag and
repair your bootloader
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558 [04:08:19] <rocketmagnet> gb8
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566 [04:10:48] <geof270_> help set up shared folder xubuntu 18.04
host to VB linuxMint 19.02 guest
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571 [04:13:37] <someone934> BazookaTooth ill try, thank you
572 [04:14:00] <mspe> geof270_ lol
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577 [04:19:03] <ectospasm> geof270_: this is #debian, why do you
think it's appropriate to ask about Ubuntu or Mint in this
channel?
578 [04:19:34] <geof270_> packages are debian
579 [04:19:39] <ectospasm> geof270_: you might have better luck
in #virtualbox
580 [04:19:50] <geof270_> thanks
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582 [04:20:09] <ectospasm> geof270_: That's because Ubuntu
and Mint are derived from Debian, but they're different enough
this is the wrong place to ask.
583 [04:20:32] <ectospasm> geof270_: That's like asking in
#fedora how to get OpenSuSE working because they both use RPM.
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586 [04:21:56] <BazookaTooth> dpkg has a trigger for
derivatives..
587 [04:21:56] <dpkg> BazookaTooth: have you tried
replaced-url
588 [04:22:09] <BazookaTooth> yes you silly bot
589 [04:22:29] <ectospasm> Is tldp even being updated anymore?
590 [04:22:52] <BazookaTooth> don't think so but still a
thing
591 [04:22:57] <BazookaTooth> !not-debian
592 [04:23:08] <BazookaTooth> can't recall his trigger
593 [04:23:16] <ectospasm> I've found the Arch wiki to be
more relevant, to be honest (this laptop is running Arch, but a lot
of it is useful for other distros)
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595 [04:23:40] <BazookaTooth> just don't ask in the arch
channel
596 [04:23:53] <BazookaTooth> :D
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598 [04:25:15] <ectospasm> Not if you're asking about Debian
(or one of its myriad of derivatives!)
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602 [04:26:56] <BazookaTooth> !debian based
603 [04:26:57] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
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605 [04:27:12] <BazookaTooth> other guy, not you
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607 [04:28:07] <ectospasm> I get it! geof270_ ^
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612 [04:28:36] <ectospasm> Same goes for any distro, really. If
you really don't know where to ask, you can always try ##linux.
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614 [04:29:10] <BazookaTooth> ectospasm: you might be surprised.
manjaro even tells people not to bother arch and it's the first
place they end up because manjaro is "based on arch"
615 [04:29:29] <BazookaTooth> same here with mint
616 [04:29:46] <annadane> hi how can i install pacman in debian
????????????????????????????????????????????????????
617 [04:29:52] <BazookaTooth> hehe
618 [04:29:53] <ectospasm> BazookaTooth: Oh, I know, I'm in
#archlinux too
619 [04:29:53] <annadane> ive herd its kool
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621 [04:30:08] <annadane> *that* is an active channel
622 [04:30:10] <adeel> hey everyone...i'm having a bit of a
challenge trying to remember/figure out why a pci-e ssd that's
slotted in (and lights up and all) is not being recognized in either
the dmesg or lspci output....any tips on what to check/look for?
623 [04:30:11] <annadane> i've lurked occasionally
624 [04:30:13] <ectospasm> The problem is #manjaro is either dead
or clueless, not sure which is worse.
625 [04:30:13] <BazookaTooth> pacman does work on debian btw
626 [04:30:18] <ectospasm> !ot
627 [04:30:18] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
628 [04:30:21] <BazookaTooth> both really
629 [04:30:22] <annadane> does it? huh
630 [04:30:33] <BazookaTooth> yup
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632 [04:30:54] <BazookaTooth> you know how alien works with rpm?
633 [04:30:56] <BazookaTooth> similar
634 [04:31:12] <BazookaTooth> there are ways to get stuff working
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667 [04:53:30] <trek001> adeel: may be the bios?
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694 [05:19:32] <adeel> trek001: checking that now...don't
see anything overly wrong, but lets see
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704 [05:27:18] <Unit193> annadane: Actually someone did want to
do that at some point, but never completed: #511994
705 [05:27:20] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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714 [05:32:32] <annadane> i have no idea how you'd do that,
if packages were made for apt-get; but then i guess i lack
imagination
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716 [05:33:12] <ritzton> Hello
717 [05:33:15] <annadane> hi
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723 [05:35:17] <ritzton> intel wont patch older cpu like core 2
duo for spectre flaws so my question is should we throw those
computers to the trash ?
724 [05:35:46] <trek001> ritzton: linux has protections on these
cpus
725 [05:36:25] <trek001> ritzton: they are only slower than
advertised
726 [05:36:54] <ritzton> trek001: so why spectre-meltdown-checker
says they are vulnerable ?
727 [05:37:44] <ritzton> trek001: can you find any article saying
older cpu like core 2 duo are safe with spectre attacks ?
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729 [05:38:49] <trek001> ritzton: you can check yourself with:
rgrep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities
730 [05:39:13] <annadane> how does everyone know which grep to
use?
731 [05:39:47] <trek001> ritzton: some mitigation are disabled by
default, because of too much slowness
732 [05:40:06] <ritzton> trek001: it will probably says it is
vulnerable doing this command, I don't get your point
733 [05:40:27] <trek001> annadane: like rgrep?
734 [05:40:59] <trek001> ritzton: vulnerable but mitigated
735 [05:41:10] <trek001> ritzton: if you have an updated linux
kernel
736 [05:41:13] <BazookaTooth> annadane: vanilla 'grep'
is always there on every system so..
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738 [05:41:52] <ritzton> trek001: mitigated does not mean safe
right ?
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740 [05:42:06] <trek001> ritzton: actually it means safe
741 [05:42:27] <trek001> ritzton: for example on this cpu for
spectre_v2 it says: Mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, STIBP: disabled,
RSB filling
742 [05:43:47] <annadane> yeah rgrep, egrep and so on
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744 [05:43:57] <annadane> it's probably in man grep,
i'm just lazy, i'll read the thing
745 [05:44:25] <ritzton> trek001: what about SSB variant 4 ?
746 [05:44:33] <trek001> ritzton: it means this is not fully
safe, because STIBP is disabled, but it is really relevant on an
host with untrusted guests VM
747 [05:45:06] <trek001> ritzton: usually the mitigation on ssb
is disabled by default, but you can enable it
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749 [05:45:50] <trek001> annadane: rgrep is recursive grep, you
can write also grep -r and egrep is like grep -E
750 [05:46:19] <annadane> ah gotcha
751 [05:48:45] <ritzton> trek001: what do you have for : less
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spec_store_bypass ?
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754 [05:49:29] <trek001> ritzton: if you enable full mitigation
you are safe even with older cpus, you only got scammed by intel,
which advertised much more performances than you will get once all
security bugs are mitigated
755 [05:49:56] <trek001> ritzton: on this cpu it says:
Mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
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757 [05:50:58] <ritzton> trek001: and what about if it says only
"Vulnerable" ?
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759 [05:51:26] <trek001> ritzton: probably you have an old
kernel?
760 [05:51:47] <ritzton> trek001: not debian 10 updated
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762 [05:52:02] <ritzton> I mean the kernel is not old
763 [05:52:08] <trek001> ritzton: well, which cpu?
764 [05:52:40] <ritzton> core 2 duo
765 [05:53:45] <trek001> ritzton: i guest there is no microcode
update for this?
766 [05:53:49] <trek001> guess
767 [05:54:28] <ritzton> trek001: yes that's what I am
saying since the beginning "intel wont patch older cpu like
core 2 duo for spectre flaws so my question is should we throw those
computers to the trash ?"
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769 [05:55:27] <trek001> ritzton: try to boot with this kernel
command line added: spec_store_bypass_disable=on
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775 [06:00:11] <ritzton> trek001: i will try to see if it changes
anything
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777 [06:03:24] <ritzton> trek001: why do you have it disable if
you never added any parameters ?
778 [06:04:04] <joepublic> if anyone is throwing computers away
because they are unhappy with the output of the `lscpu` command,
please consult me for a shipping address.
779 [06:04:22] <trek001> because the speculative store bypass is
a feature of your cpu that you want to disable for full mitigation
(but do you really need to mitigate that specific bug?)
780 [06:05:05] <trek001> joepublic: :D
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782 [06:05:44] <ritzton> trek001: I am just trying to understand
why you have it disabled and not a fresh debian install ?
783 [06:05:49] <ryouma> folding at home could use it for covid
784 [06:06:26] <ritzton> joepublic: spectre attacks are not a
joke, you should take it more seriously
785 [06:06:31] <trek001> ritzton: may be something related to
microcode and cpu model
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788 [06:06:56] <BazookaTooth> annadane: those are usually aliases
anyway
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790 [06:07:48] <joepublic> I was not joking.
791 [06:07:59] <annadane> i have my grep aliased to grep -i
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794 [06:08:56] <BazookaTooth> i only mention because there are
past distros that made zsh friendly scripts rather than assuming
bash
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796 [06:09:05] <ritzton> trek001: ok you probably have a more
recent cpu that's why...
797 [06:09:30] <trek001> ritzton: yes, with updated microcode and
it's an amd
798 [06:10:16] <ritzton> with updated microcode on core 2 duo, it
is still written Vulnerable but I am going to try the parameter you
said
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800 [06:11:21] <joepublic> for my application, many CPU
vulnerabilities are less relevant.
801 [06:11:56] <annadane> i don't even bother with mv -i or
rm -i but grep -i? all over that, one of the first things i set up
802 [06:12:47] <ritzton> joepublic: if you only run your own code
yes but it means no javascript website etc...
803 [06:13:07] <BazookaTooth> annadane: kinda like the
'-i' alias
804 [06:13:15] <joepublic> I am building a game room full of
emulated arcade machines.
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806 [06:13:47] <joepublic> They will not have Internet access,
much less 'javascript websites'
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808 [06:14:12] <BazookaTooth> annadane: skeleton bashrc for
debian is a nice bit to learn from though
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810 [06:15:33] <joepublic> There are many applications for such
hardware other than "throwing it away" because you
don't like the vulnerability report.
811 [06:16:27] <BazookaTooth> when stoned was here, he had some
nice examples of fucntions to drop in bashrc rather than making
aliases. might want to find his gitlab or whatever he's using
lately
812 [06:16:53] <annadane> i don't trust stoners
813 [06:17:08] <joepublic> I like to make my bash functions
explicitly state that they are bash functions so I don't drive
myself nuts looking for the executable
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815 [06:18:19] <BazookaTooth> i don't trust people who make
blanket statements about others but to each their own
816 [06:18:22] <binaryhermit> a lot of those vulnerabilities
aren't even all that terrible in practice
817 [06:18:45] <annadane> i just said that to make a stupid joke
818 [06:18:49] <binaryhermit> like, it's easier to exploit
(long list of software bugs your system has) than the HW bugs
819 [06:18:50] <annadane> no basis in reality
820 [06:19:02] <trek001> joepublic: you can know if it is a
function with: type commandname
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822 [06:19:43] <binaryhermit> but if you're computer's
never online, the mitigations to those bugs are likely harmful due
to decreased performance for no real benefit?
823 [06:19:49] <annadane> and then there's stuff like PSP
which is its own category
824 [06:19:54] <annadane> PSP/IME
825 [06:21:20] <BazookaTooth> a decent portion of that shit
doesn't even apply to systems attached to a soho router
826 [06:21:26] <joepublic> binaryhermit, I would guess if you
feel better having the bugs mitigated, that's a real benefit,
even if the chance of their being a viable exploit is low.
827 [06:21:34] <joepublic> *if one feels better
828 [06:22:08] <binaryhermit> true, I suppose (bites tongue on
the rest of this)
829 [06:22:21] <trek001> BazookaTooth: if you run javascript,
there is no soho router that can help you :)
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831 [06:22:46] <ritzton> trek001: I added the parameter to the
grub command on a machin, I have reload grub and then I have reboot,
it is still writing "Vulnerable" with core 2 duo
832 [06:22:49] <joepublic> I would consider a deliberate slowdown
harmful on an isolated system.
833 [06:22:51] <BazookaTooth> why do i feel like i am back in
#security all of a sudden
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835 [06:23:24] <trek001> ritzton: well probably it really needs
an updated microcode
836 [06:23:25] <BazookaTooth> tin foil hats for all
837 [06:24:23] <binaryhermit> I suspect something as old as a
core2duo hasn't gotten new microcode in quite a while
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840 [06:25:48] <BazookaTooth> airgap it, wrap it in a portable
faraday cage then drop it in the trash and upgrade
841 [06:26:27] <ritzton> trek001: intel-microcode is already
installed...
842 [06:26:56] <BazookaTooth> the lower tdp on an i3 laptop would
probably pay itself off anyway
843 [06:26:59] <ritzton> is debian community able to do something
against intel leaks ?
844 [06:27:00] <trek001> ritzton: yep but probably intel not
released an updated microcode for that cpu
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846 [06:28:01] <binaryhermit> the last core2 chip released was in
January 2010
847 [06:29:05] <trek001> binaryhermit: intel cpus have a
"best before" label like food? :D
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849 [06:29:33] <binaryhermit> at some point they just stop
updating stuff
850 [06:29:37] <ritzton> binaryhermit: well I agree with this but
does that mean we have to throw away (not on the trash for
joepublic) all computers before 2010 ?
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852 [06:30:00] <binaryhermit> ritzton: either deal with potential
hw bugs or buy something newer
853 [06:30:15] <joepublic> that sounds suspiciously like a
"yes"
854 [06:30:18] <binaryhermit> it's likely not that big of a
deal
855 [06:30:39] <joepublic> "yes, but don't worry about
it" lol
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859 [06:31:11] <ritzton> we do worry about security otherwise we
would be using microsoft products
860 [06:31:29] <binaryhermit> *facepalm*
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862 [06:31:54] <binaryhermit> there's likely other more
easily exploitable SW issues anyway
863 [06:32:22] <annadane> i will steal ur warez
864 [06:32:27] <binaryhermit> that as far as I can tell,
nobody's really ever bothered to exploit any of these bugs in
the wild
865 [06:32:30] <annadane> sorry i'm extremely bored and
sleepy
866 [06:32:51] <binaryhermit> except possibly various three
letter agencies, and if they want to get you, you're probably
****ed anyway
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868 [06:33:04] <trek001> binaryhermit: yes but sw can be
upgraded, if hw can't that exploit is more valuable as it will
continue to run fine for long time
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870 [06:33:46] <binaryhermit> I wonder if anyone ever exploited
the pentium f00f HCF bug
871 [06:33:50] <ritzton> binaryhermit:
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872 [06:33:57] <trek001> binaryhermit: yeah! via ping!
873 [06:34:11] <trek001> the ping of death :D
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875 [06:35:36] <binaryhermit> ritzton: as far as I can tell, no
core2 chips are listed as vulnerable
876 [06:36:00] <ritzton> binaryhermit: maybe three letter
agencies are more dangerous than mexican mafia
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878 [06:37:00] <ritzton> binaryhermit: where did you get this
information from ?
879 [06:37:29] <binaryhermit> ritzton:
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880 [06:37:51] <ritzton> binaryhermit: but maybe you are working
yourself for this 3 letters agency right ?
881 [06:37:53] <binaryhermit> it lists a bunch of processors
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883 [06:38:44] <binaryhermit> and that's listed as vaguely
on the low-end of the "medium" CVSS range
884 [06:38:59] <binaryhermit> and probably can be mitigated by
the kernel if you really care
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886 [06:39:51] <ritzton> isn't
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888 [06:40:20] <trek001>
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891 [06:40:44] <binaryhermit> I'm pretty sure that core2 !=
2nd gen intel core
892 [06:41:01] <binaryhermit> the first gen intel core was when
they switched to the core i(something) branding
893 [06:41:23] <trek001> binaryhermit: core 2 duo is 2nd
generation
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894 [06:42:22] <ritzton> trek001: forget about it probably he is
working for 3 letters agency :-)
895 [06:42:29] <binaryhermit> trek001: Except they didn't
switch to (number) gen core until they went to the core i-whatever
crap
896 [06:42:58] <trek001> ritzton: don't be paranoid, he only
says his own opinion
897 [06:43:45] <ritzton> trek001: an american opinion right
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900 [06:45:09] <trek001> ritzton: as last chance you can disable
javascript, that is ok with many sites
901 [06:45:19] <jm_> heh you wish
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904 [06:45:51] <trek001> my main browser has javascript disabled
since years :)
905 [06:46:03] <ritzton> trek001: well nowdays most of the
websites require javascript and use stuff like websockets...
906 [06:46:41] <trek001> ritzton: may be you need to buy another
cpu, better not an intel :)
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908 [06:46:51] <binaryhermit>
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911 [06:47:07] <trek001> ritzton: you can find cpu for 30$ fast
as your old core 2 duo
912 [06:47:16] <binaryhermit> notice the mention of core i3, core
i5, core i7 but not core2
913 [06:47:26] <BazookaTooth> uh
914 [06:47:32] <ritzton> trek001: yeah I will probably have to
throw all the company computer with this cpu
915 [06:48:19] <BazookaTooth> you guys don't recycle them
into new money for future systems and maintenance?
916 [06:48:43] <BazookaTooth> core2 is so far from core i3
917 [06:49:26] <ritzton> trek001: that's probably true for
desktop computers but not for labtops
918 [06:49:27] <binaryhermit> right, I'm saying that
"second gen intel core" != "core 2"
919 [06:49:38] <trek001> binaryhermit: yeah intel names are
recycled everytime
920 [06:50:12] <binaryhermit> that "second gen intel
core" is "second gen of processors since intel went to
core i-whatever branding"
921 [06:50:22] <binaryhermit> they really need to cut it with
that stuff
922 [06:50:27] <ritzton> bazookatooth: some companies will take
all valuable metals and throw the rest away
923 [06:50:30] <binaryhermit> like, look what they did with the
pentium brand
924 [06:50:36] <binaryhermit> used to be high-end
925 [06:50:45] <binaryhermit> now it's vaguely mid-range
926 [06:50:56] <binaryhermit> between celeron and core i3 or
whatever
927 [06:50:59] <BazookaTooth> ritzton: better than scrap heap
928 [06:51:40] <binaryhermit> I really think ritzton needs to
stop being so paranoid
929 [06:51:49] <binaryhermit> That the bugs can be mitigated in
software
930 [06:52:05] <binaryhermit> not that there's really much
of a need to
931 [06:52:31] <ritzton> binaryhermit: your agency found out
other variant ?
932 [06:52:44] <binaryhermit> I don't work for any
governmental agency
933 [06:53:08] <binaryhermit> Not that, say, qualcomm is much
better than intel on the branding front
934 [06:54:01] <binaryhermit> like, the pixel 3a with a
snapdragon 670 vaguely outperforms the pixel with a snapdragon 821
935 [06:54:05] <trek001> binaryhermit: that ssb needs microcode
update
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937 [06:54:38] <binaryhermit> that said, it's not that
surprising that a 2 year or so newer midrange chip outperforms a
flagship chip
938 [06:54:43] <binaryhermit> "ssb"?
939 [06:55:09] <binaryhermit> but just, the numbers are kinda
arbitrary
940 [06:55:17] <lwp> single side band
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943 [06:55:57] <trek001> binaryhermit: speculative store bypass
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950 [07:05:26] <trek001> ritzton: for just 20$ you can get an
a4-4000 with integrated graphics :)
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984 [07:30:25] <tyzef> Hi guys !!! I am on debian10buster... and
on Buster we do not have "python-uniconvertor", however
it's available on Sid ! and I need to install only that one
"python-uniconvertor" please can you guide me?
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990 [07:34:02] <jm_> tyzef: it has also been removed from sid
991 [07:34:21] <tyzef> aayyyooooo!
992 [07:35:35] <tyzef> so sad... my Inkscape crash because of no
python-uniconvertor
993 [07:35:45] <tyzef> when I do a copy
994 [07:35:59] <tyzef> it's Inkscape0.92
995 [07:36:18] <jm_> judd, bug rm python-uniconvertor
996 [07:36:21] <judd> Bug
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997 [07:36:25] <tyzef> I am also looking in #inkscape
998 [07:36:45] <jm_> so it does not work with python 3 it seems
999 [07:36:46] <tyzef> thanks jm_
1000 [07:36:50] <jm_> np
1001 [07:37:04] <jm_> tyzef: have you also looked at inscape bugs
if there's something there?
1002 [07:37:25] <tyzef> not yet, haven't think about that !
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1009 [07:44:10] <tyzef> thank you jm_ for guidance, see !replaced-url
1010 [07:44:25] <tyzef> by the way I am on Lzqt
1011 [07:45:52] <tyzef> yaa super ! I just quit
"qlipper" and it work !
1012 [07:46:03] <tyzef> thanks !
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1070 [08:19:50] <dynek> Hello guys! No much hope but I have an
Intel Nuc onto which kernel 5.3.13 was running with cpu governor
powersave, I could see the frequency vary and it used to remain
pretty low. I update to 5.3.18 and not 5.4.24 and on both version
the cpu gets quite hot because the frequencies of the cores are at
their maximum even though governor is still set. Does it right a
bell? Any known issue I haven't found so
1071 [08:19:56] <dynek> far? Thanks
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1078 [08:23:28] <diogenes_> dynek, maybe it's some process
using all that CPU?
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1080 [08:25:50] <dynek> diogenes_: nothing changed much process
and load wise before / after and load average: 1.48, 1.94, 2.30
1081 [08:25:54] <jm_> dynek: which scaling_driver is selected?
1082 [08:26:21] <dynek> jm_: intel_pstate
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1084 [08:27:21] <sney> fwiw, there's no 5.3.x or 5.4.24 in
any debian release right now. is there a reason you're
targeting these versions specifically?
1085 [08:27:46] <dynek> sney: proxmox
1086 [08:28:07] <dynek> and network issue with kernel prior 5.4.x
something
1087 [08:28:08] <sney> ah, well, who knows what they're up to
1088 [08:28:56] <sney> definitely take your modified kernel issue
to the channel belonging to the group that modified it
1089 [08:29:04] <jm_> dynek: same here and scaling_governor is
powersave and it adjusts freq. as expected, haven't tried 5.x
yet, but will upgrade one of these days
1090 [08:30:02] <dynek> jm_: which kernel version?
1091 [08:31:32] <jm_> dynek: 4.19 still
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1094 [08:34:34] <dynek> gonna try a rollback to 5.3.13 and see if
it goes back to what it used to be
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1134 [09:10:45] <CruX|> hello, can you recommend eeprom memory
tester which is accessible via /sys/.../eeprom ? (i'm using my
own driver based on at25 driver) I want to test random unaligned
reads/writes
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1136 [09:10:48] <CruX|> most of tools is ysing mmap which
can't be used
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1155 [09:25:03] <Pitron_Cresse> Bonjour
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1161 [09:28:18] <Haohmaru> je nes schprachen ze italiano
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1220 [10:06:55] <nvz> o.O
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1224 [10:11:52] <DarkiJah> So how do I registrer a channel?
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1226 [10:12:31] <DarkiJah> And should it be ## or # ?
1227 [10:12:35] <nvz> DarkiJah: well thats not on topic here, but
rather than contemplate the mispelled frisian above..
1228 [10:12:53] <DarkiJah> Ohhh, wrong channel!!! :D
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1230 [10:13:00] <nvz> DarkiJah: what is it you're trying to
accomplish? channels dont really need /registration/
1231 [10:13:03] <DarkiJah> I thought I was in.....
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1233 [10:13:16] <DarkiJah> Freenode
1234 [10:13:40] <DarkiJah> Well, I think there was something about
registrering a channel - so I always have it even if I'm not
there.
1235 [10:14:02] <DarkiJah> I had my first person come through my
website and ask me a Question
1236 [10:14:12] <nvz> thats setting guard, so chanserv sits there
keeping the topic and crap in place when the channel empties
1237 [10:14:15] <DarkiJah> So I guess I need to get moving on
setting things up
1238 [10:14:29] <DarkiJah> Freenode runs that?
1239 [10:14:40] <mzajc> yes
1240 [10:14:55] <DarkiJah> Yea, well I guess I need to setup that
then :)
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1242 [10:15:14] <mzajc> ./msg chanserv help
1243 [10:15:45] <nvz> DarkiJah: /msg chanserv help set guard
1244 [10:16:07] <DarkiJah> Yea that was something of the thing I
was looking for
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1247 [10:17:05] <DarkiJah> So, the question is should my channel
be one # or ##
1248 [10:17:08] <nvz> DarkiJah: when you /join a channel that
doesnt exist it is created and you are given the founding rights to
it.. if the channel empties, the topic, entrymsg, access lists and
everything can be lost.. to avoid this you set the chanserv bot to
sit in the channel
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1250 [10:17:18] <DarkiJah> Still not totally understood what the
difference is
1251 [10:17:43] <DarkiJah> Okay nvz - that's the thing
I'm looking for.
1252 [10:17:45] <nvz> DarkiJah: idk.. on freenode read ## as about
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1254 [10:18:06] <nvz> DarkiJah: as in ##linux isn't a channel
for the linux kernel.. its a channel about linux
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1256 [10:18:26] <DarkiJah> aha okay
1257 [10:18:58] <nvz> its a designation for something less
official bascially.. but if there isnt a namespace issue doesnt
matter really
1258 [10:19:13] <DarkiJah> okay
1259 [10:19:19] <DarkiJah> So just standard # would do fine
1260 [10:19:32] <nvz> unless whatever the name is, becomes some
project :P
1261 [10:19:42] <DarkiJah> Project in what way?
1262 [10:19:46] <DarkiJah> program?
1263 [10:19:53] <nvz> freenode is for peer directed projects
1264 [10:20:18] <DarkiJah> Sure - this is only for mostly some
chat :)
1265 [10:20:29] <DarkiJah> for Questions on the website or
information
1266 [10:20:31] <DarkiJah> or a Trivia
1267 [10:20:31] <arseniko> how i can add sudoes on debian?
1268 [10:20:33] <nvz> I just used ##nvz for mine.. but I never
really used it
1269 [10:20:40] <arseniko> adduser command ndont work
1270 [10:20:58] <DarkiJah> But ##nvz would not be the same as #nvz
correct?
1271 [10:21:01] <DarkiJah> 2 different channels
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1273 [10:21:11] <nvz> DarkiJah: yes two different channels
1274 [10:21:26] <nvz> arseniko: apt install sudo
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1276 [10:21:55] <nvz> arseniko: or just use pkexec
1277 [10:22:12] <DarkiJah> I guess one could maybe use one for the
project website and the other for chat?
1278 [10:22:22] <diogenes_> nvz, sudo apt install sudo )
1279 [10:22:30] <nvz> diogenes_: heh
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1282 [10:23:45] <Haohmaru> a channel might not even have a #
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1284 [10:24:25] <DarkiJah> Seems every channel has a #???
1285 [10:24:28] <DarkiJah> at least one
1286 [10:24:34] <DarkiJah> on freenode???
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1288 [10:24:58] <DarkiJah> Can't make a channel without or
join anyone without using at least one #
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1293 [10:26:13] <Haohmaru> CHANTYPES=# .. seems not on freenode
1294 [10:26:32] <DarkiJah> :)
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1296 [10:26:45] <DarkiJah> Good I've not lost total sanity.
1297 [10:26:49] <nvz> have you been to ## ?
1298 [10:26:56] <DarkiJah> Yes
1299 [10:27:02] <nvz> pretty neat
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1301 [10:27:07] <DarkiJah> I also tried joining ## and #
1302 [10:27:15] <DarkiJah> to see... and it is indeed 2 different
rooms
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1304 [10:27:30] <DarkiJah> Theory fit the practice...
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1307 [10:27:39] <nvz> yeah... doing /j/j is always fun too
1308 [10:27:42] <DarkiJah> or the Theory was confirmed
1309 [10:27:45] <nvz> /j/j
1310 [10:27:46] <DarkiJah> ???
1311 [10:27:57] <nvz> erm /j /j rather
1312 [10:28:01] <DarkiJah> .....
1313 [10:28:03] <DarkiJah> what?
1314 [10:28:21] <nvz> yeah.. beware of dog..
1315 [10:28:23] <DarkiJah> and that does?
1316 [10:28:33] <nvz> joins #/j obviously
1317 [10:28:43] <nvz> and prob gets you raped by a gay dog
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1320 [10:28:48] <nvz> but thats not gaurenteed
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1322 [10:29:15] <DarkiJah> You put an animal like that down.
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1324 [10:29:27] <DarkiJah> I think it says in the Torah
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1326 [10:29:43] <nvz> you'd think.. but none the less..
1327 [10:29:50] <nvz> feel free to see for yourself :P
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1331 [10:30:31] <DarkiJah> nothing happens
1332 [10:30:44] <nvz> ah, must just be your client
1333 [10:30:55] <nvz> mine assumes the # it seems
1334 [10:30:55] <DarkiJah> HexChat
1335 [10:31:10] <nvz> you might have to specify /j #/j
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1337 [10:31:29] * jelly points nvz and DarkiJah over to #freenode or
#hexchat or #debian-offtopic
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1342 [10:31:53] <DarkiJah> Sigh
1343 [10:32:23] <DarkiJah> I need some sleep
1344 [10:32:35] <DarkiJah> This forum thing has really teared on
my these last weeks
1345 [10:32:41] <DarkiJah> Tried different kinds of forums
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1348 [10:32:46] <DarkiJah> and trying to figure out which to use
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1357 [10:35:35] <DarkiJah> You would think weird things could not
go from one place to another place
1358 [10:36:39] <nvz> thats what makes them weird..
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1361 [10:38:21] <hiya> Do I need to make any changes post updating
RAM in Debian server?
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1363 [10:38:35] <hiya> Does it utilize the RAM automatically?
1364 [10:38:39] <nvz> no, yes
1365 [10:38:47] <hiya> Ok thanks
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1367 [10:38:54] <nvz> we''
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1369 [10:39:04] <nvz> well by updating you mean adding ram?
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1372 [10:39:49] <nvz> presumably on baremetal hardware and having
rebooted?
1373 [10:39:57] <hiya> yes correct
1374 [10:40:20] <nvz> then yes as long as its not running a i686
kernel
1375 [10:40:26] <nvz> which has a ram limit
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1378 [10:40:43] <nvz> hence the i686-pae kernel
1379 [10:40:44] <hiya> i went from 1GB to 2GB
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1381 [10:40:53] <nvz> ah, well thats below the limit
1382 [10:41:09] <nvz> free -mh
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1385 [10:42:49] <hiya> is swap done by itself?
1386 [10:42:56] <nvz> no
1387 [10:43:12] <hiya> it was 1G before
1388 [10:43:13] <nvz> it may have been done by auto partitioning
during install if you used that
1389 [10:43:18] <hiya> should I keep it?
1390 [10:43:35] <nvz> o.O
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1394 [10:44:17] <nvz> hiya: as root do this command
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1396 [10:44:26] <nvz> swapon|nc termbin.com 9999
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1400 [10:45:09] <nvz> your swap should not have automatically
increased
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1402 [10:45:21] <DarkiJah> Another Forum installed SMF
1403 [10:45:24] <DarkiJah> to try out
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1406 [10:45:45] <nvz> and I dont offhand know of anything in
Debian that does such things
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1413 [10:48:43] <nvz> hiya: the utility of swap is to house unused
pages, prevent OOM, and hibernate
1414 [10:48:50] <b1ack0p> sup
1415 [10:48:58] <nvz> to hibernate you need at least as much swap
as you have ram
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1417 [10:49:15] <nvz> if a server is OOMing or swapping you have
bigger problems
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1428 [10:54:28] <kristijonas> my aunt (she was on wheezy)
yesterday missclicked started updating the system and then thought
it takes too long and hard-poweed off her pc. now she is stuck at
tty1 login
1429 [10:54:54] <jelly> hiya, did you add RAM live on a VM, or is
it a physical machine? If it's physical you don't need to
do anything.
1430 [10:54:58] <kristijonas> she is also not sure if she
remembers her username
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1432 [10:55:03] <jm_> kristijonas: check if upgrade finished
1433 [10:55:17] <RuGaL> Hello I want to update tls to 1.7.18
1434 [10:55:21] <RuGaL> Lastest
1435 [10:55:21] <hiya> nvz: ok
1436 [10:55:27] <hiya> jelly: if on VM?
1437 [10:55:31] <jelly> RuGaL, what do you mean by
"tls"?
1438 [10:55:35] <nvz> kristijonas: at this point its probably
easier to backup data and reinstall buster unless there is a reason
for staying on wheezy
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1442 [10:56:01] <jelly> hiya, if you want to avoid a reboot you
need to enable the RAM manually. Just a second.
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1444 [10:56:19] <RuGaL> jelly: tls
1445 [10:56:24] <kristijonas> jm_, the system was installed
without root user, and she is not sure whether the username she
types is correct, but when she types it, and then password (she is
sure about the password) it says that password is wrong
1446 [10:56:25] <hiya> jelly: i am fine with reboot
1447 [10:56:37] <RuGaL> its a package
1448 [10:56:45] <kristijonas> is there a way to check what was
that one and only username?
1449 [10:56:59] <nvz> kristijonas: sure, if you're logged in
:P
1450 [10:57:22] <nvz> kristijonas: you'd need to chroot
rescue or bypass init at this point sounds like
1451 [10:57:36] <jm_> kristijonas: just boot like so:
1452 [10:57:42] <jm_> !i forgot root's password
1453 [10:57:43] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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1455 [10:58:40] <RuGaL> tcl-tls_1.7.18-2_amd64.deb
1456 [10:58:44] <kristijonas> jm_, she is sure about password, but
not about username
1457 [10:58:46] <RuGaL> I need this package
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1460 [10:59:14] <jm_> kristijonas: that will allow you to check
the username too, just use 'cat /etc/passwd'
1461 [10:59:24] <ratrace> instead of step 3
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1463 [10:59:58] <jm_> yeah stop at step 3 and use that command
1464 [11:00:16] <RuGaL> jelly
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1466 [11:02:02] <jelly> ,v tcl-tls
1467 [11:02:03] <judd> Package: tcl-tls on amd64 -- jessie:
1.6+dfsg-3; stretch: 1.6.7+dfsg-1.2; buster: 1.7.16-1; bullseye:
1.7.20-1; sid: 1.7.20-1
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1469 [11:02:56] <jelly> RuGaL, there is no package with that
particular version in any release of Debian right now. Which Debian
release are you using?
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1479 [11:04:59] <jelly> hiya: echo online | sudo tee -a $(grep -l
offline /sys/devices/system/memory/*/state)
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1483 [11:05:13] <jelly> hiya, remove sudo if you're already
root
1484 [11:05:28] <jelly> hiya, run "free" before and
after
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1488 [11:07:58] <hiya> jelly: it says online
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1492 [11:10:39] <jelly> hiya, that's not important. run
"free" to see how much RAM you have now.
1493 [11:10:55] <hiya> jelly: I have 1GB
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1495 [11:11:04] <hiya> I didn't upgrade yet on the VM.
1496 [11:11:15] <hiya> Just wondering what happens when they set
it to 2GB
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1500 [11:12:10] <jelly> hiya, if it's a decent platform they
do it without reboot, the kernel notices some offline memory was
added, and then you run that command or an equivalent
1501 [11:12:11] <hiya> Right now it says
replaced-url
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1505 [11:13:13] <hiya> jelly: so, only 180M is free, is that good
enough situation? Do you think I should upgrade at all?
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1509 [11:14:26] <jelly> hiya, "free" is not relevant.
"available" is what's important, together with
"used swap"
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1511 [11:14:53] <jelly> and you have 500MB available, only half is
in use right now
1512 [11:14:58] <jelly> !free ram
1513 [11:14:59] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's
memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux
tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which
speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these
caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical
memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use,
it's 'free' + 'buffers' +
'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
1514 [11:15:01] <hiya> jelly: available is 446?
1515 [11:15:08] <jelly> yes
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1517 [11:15:21] <hiya> So, I won't upgrade then
1518 [11:15:22] <hiya> Thanks!
1519 [11:15:47] <jelly> if what is running _right now_ is your
common workload, then there's no need to upgrade
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1521 [11:16:20] <hiya> jelly: just to be sure, when should I look
for upgrade? what should this free command's results look like?
1522 [11:16:36] <hiya> Available ram < 100M? And swap used to
50%?
1523 [11:17:17] <hiya> jelly: Yes, it is common workload but might
increase when wp is loaded a bit with more posts. But I am not sure,
because I might not use any weird plugins.
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1530 [11:24:01] <jelly> hiya, something like that, yes
1531 [11:24:31] <hiya> jelly: If I am getting 1GB upgrade for
0.5USD recurring, should I just go for it?
1532 [11:24:48] <hiya> 0.5 USD/m
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1534 [11:25:14] <hiya> I think upgrading uselessly makes no sense
1535 [11:25:16] <hiya> Thanks!
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1539 [11:26:13] <hiya> jelly: If I am not using FDE, can a decent
platform upgrade disk space too without causing harm?
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1546 [11:29:46] <ratrace> hiya: if it ain't broken,
don't fix it.
1547 [11:29:47] <jelly> hiya, it depends how decent, sometimes you
need a reboot, sometimes not.
1548 [11:30:14] <ratrace> (that was in response to "should I
upgrade")
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1550 [11:31:01] <jelly> hiya, at work we set up all VMs with a
separate tiny disk just for /boot, and a second unpartitioned disk
for LVM PV. This way the second disk and anything on it can be grown
online without reboot.
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1553 [11:32:36] <jelly> hiya, if your VM only sees a single disk,
usually you need a rescan to update the disk size, then you edit the
partition table carefully, then you reboot because kernel can't
update its notion of partitions and their sizes on they fly, and
then you resize the filesystem
1554 [11:32:44] <hiya> ratrace: thanks!
1555 [11:33:05] <ratrace> basically partitions and most if not all
filesystems, even if LUKS'd, can be _grown_ online, rootfs
included
1556 [11:33:15] <hiya> jelly: omg that is too much of work. I
don't think I can do it, I will ask provider to do it for me.
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1558 [11:34:05] <jm_> think twice about that :)
1559 [11:34:21] <hiya> jm_: Why? :P
1560 [11:34:34] <hiya> Why did I get so tiny disk :(
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1564 [11:35:54] <jm_> hiya: well I guess if you have backups
it's OK, but otherwise I'd rather do it myself
1565 [11:38:25] <ratrace> jelly: no need to reboot, running
`partprobe` suffices for teh kernel to notice changes
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1567 [11:39:01] <jelly> ratrace, that fails more often than it
works
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1569 [11:39:14] <jm_> yeah there are cases where sfdisk -R fails
1570 [11:39:31] <hiya> 50% of disk is free too.
/dev/mapper/debian--vg-root 8.6G 4.0G 4.2G 49% /
1571 [11:39:43] <jelly> at least it's a LVM so that's a
good sign
1572 [11:40:02] <ratrace> jelly: if you say so, but I never saw a
problem and did quite a number of such resizes in my life. growing,
that is. shrinking is a compeltely separate story even for
non-rootfs fs
1573 [11:40:10] <jm_> ahh they removed -R now :)
1574 [11:40:13] <jelly> hiya, if nothing else they can just add a
new disk and you can join it into the same LVM VG online
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1576 [11:40:50] <jelly> ratrace, I've seen it work maybe 1 in
5 cases, almost never on Debian, sometimes on Ubuntus and CentOSes.
1577 [11:40:57] <hiya> Ok thanks! I will let a couple of months go
and then only decide
1578 [11:41:23] <ratrace> jelly: I find that hard to believe
1579 [11:41:41] <ratrace> hiya: if you don't need it,
don't bother messing stuff up
1580 [11:41:42] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1581 [11:42:25] <hiya> ratrace: Ok thanks
1582 [11:42:26] <ratrace> jelly: but bottom line, what kind of
failure was it? "oh,shi-! we must reboot after all" or
"oh,shi-! we just corrupted all teh datas!"
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1584 [11:43:38] <jm_> the former, kernel does not update its info
about part. table
1585 [11:43:54] <ratrace> jm_: it does if you run partprobe
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1587 [11:44:21] <jm_> ratrace: it's that part that sometimes
fails
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1589 [11:45:14] <ratrace> I accept the possibility of failure, but
I find it hard to believe that 4/5 cases were failures. I ran such
growths many many times over the years, from 2.6.x kernels up to,
just now a test with 4.19 buster.
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1592 [11:50:44] <jelly> ratrace, ioctl returned failure and
/proc/partitions and devices did not change size.
1593 [11:51:08] <jm_> yeah that's the one
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1597 [11:51:34] <jm_> BLKRRPART
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1599 [11:52:24] <ratrace> jelly: okay, so the kind of failure that
allows one to try online growth first, and reboot if it fails.
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1601 [11:54:11] <jelly> I don't never even try it these days
on the remaining physical or old VM machines, just schedule downtime
right away.
1602 [11:55:46] <ratrace> you're not lazy enough for supreme
sysadminship :))
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1646 [12:29:50] <shtrb> Should application run under snap be able
to share the entire desktop ?
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1670 [12:38:36] <Wotac> is anyone else having task switch text
getting pixelated after long enough time in KDE plasma?
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1675 [12:41:59] <Wotac> they just suddenly get pixelated and never
recover on their own anymore, at least reboot fixes it and i
don't know if relog fixes it
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1678 [12:42:46] <Wotac> i took a screenshot to demonstrate it
replaced-url
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1681 [12:44:18] <belka-ru> hi, memtest86+ not work on dabian
testing
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1695 [12:53:39] <mzajc> Wotac: your fonts.conf got corrupted,
happened to me too once
1696 [12:53:47] <mzajc> hang on, let me give you the location
1697 [12:54:25] <mzajc> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
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1700 [12:54:43] <mzajc> I'm pretty sure you can just remove
it, restart plasma, and reconfigure fonts in system settings
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1704 [12:55:17] <Wotac> i'll try that now
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1724 [13:04:22] <Wotac> i relogged and it's back to normal
again, although i don't know if relogging would fix it anyway
temporarily
1725 [13:04:31] <Wotac> but it might be fixed now so thanks
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1745 [13:12:10] <[garmapplan]> Hi I got an question. My
systemmonitor warns that disk is not mounted with
"data=ordered"
1746 [13:12:12] <[garmapplan]> dmesg says:
1747 [13:12:13] <[garmapplan]> [ 1.924290] EXT4-fs (sda3): mounted
filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
1748 [13:12:15] <[garmapplan]> ....
1749 [13:12:16] <[garmapplan]> [ 2.232195] EXT4-fs (sda3):
re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered,errors=remount-ro
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1752 [13:12:19] <[garmapplan]> but mount:
1753 [13:12:20] <[garmapplan]> /dev/sda3 on / type ext4
(rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
1754 [13:12:23] <[garmapplan]> Any idea's as of why ?
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1783 [13:30:45] <afx_> Hello everyone ! Is there a way you can use
a list (txt file for example) with regex for meld , or is everything
controlled through the GUI?
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1799 [13:37:44] <Sachin`> i am trying to install get-psy on my
server
1800 [13:37:49] <Sachin`> but i got stuck
1801 [13:37:54] <Sachin`> any who can help me
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1813 [13:44:00] <Seaspeed> any one know about get-psy ?
1814 [13:46:01] <joepublic> ,v get-psy
1815 [13:46:02] <judd> No package named 'get-psy' was
found in amd64.
1816 [13:46:49] <Seaspeed> its psybnc ... which we install in root
so user just need to type get-psy and psybnc is install for user
1817 [13:47:46] <fmatt> is anyone having trouble with keyboard
layout? after an upgrade, i'm facing the same problem described
in bug #922020
1818 [13:47:48] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1819 [13:47:56] <Seaspeed> if u dont mind can i paste on link here
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1821 [13:48:12] <joepublic> of course
1822 [13:48:21] <Seaspeed>
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1823 [13:49:04] <joepublic> that's a pretty old tutorial; it
even references getting the file from geocities
1824 [13:49:51] <Seaspeed> thats what
1825 [13:50:01] <Seaspeed> i got stuck there only
1826 [13:50:09] <joepublic> geocities used to be a free hosting
service. it doesn't exist anymore.
1827 [13:51:00] <joepublic> this tutorial is probably too old to
be useful for anything other than studying Internet history
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1829 [13:51:36] <Seaspeed> thats true
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1838 [13:54:19] <watom> isn't psybnc itself a dead project?
1839 [13:54:27] <watom> why don't yo use supported bouncer?
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1853 [13:58:54] <Seaspeed> i need auto install
1854 [13:58:59] <Seaspeed> like znc
1855 [13:59:32] <watom> so use znc? :D
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1859 [14:01:32] <jelly> ,v znc
1860 [14:01:33] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-2;
jessie-security: 1.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2;
stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.7.2-3~bpo9+1;
buster: 1.7.2-3; buster-backports: 1.7.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye:
1.7.5-4; sid: 1.7.5-4
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1866 [14:07:20] <Seaspeed> ,v get-psy.txt
1867 [14:07:21] <judd> No package named 'get-psy.txt'
was found in amd64.
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1872 [14:08:26] <jelly> Seaspeed, what does "auto
install" mean for you? Do you have root access on the machine
to install znc from an official repo the normal way?
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1888 [14:15:47] <Seaspeed> yeah i have root access
1889 [14:16:00] <Seaspeed> i did install znc
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1891 [14:16:22] <Seaspeed> but some user are requesting for psybnc
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1894 [14:17:06] <jelly> ,v psybnc
1895 [14:17:07] <judd> No package named 'psybnc' was
found in amd64.
1896 [14:17:12] <jelly> ,bug rm psybnc
1897 [14:17:13] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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1902 [14:18:42] <watom> the reason is that the project is old and
dead
1903 [14:19:05] <watom> i don't think we want things with
pubblic exploits in debian repositories
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1906 [14:19:34] <watom> also who is interested to mantain it :p
1907 [14:20:00] <watom> Seaspeed give them the bad new. psybnc is
not with us anymore. time to move on
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1923 [14:26:39] <ice999> how to creaate .htpassws file? the
command htpasswd is not there
1924 [14:27:07] <watom> you need apache2-utils
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1927 [14:27:25] <ice999> watom, even if i will need it for nginx
only?
1928 [14:27:49] <watom> idk. if nginx hasn't the own thing i
gues yes?
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1930 [14:28:10] <watom>
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1932 [14:28:18] <watom> they ask to use the apache tool
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1941 [14:32:40] <jelly> judd, file bin/htpasswd
1942 [14:32:44] <judd> Search for bin/htpasswd in buster/amd64:
apache2-utils: usr/bin/htpasswd
1943 [14:32:55] <jelly> ice999, ^ install that.
1944 [14:33:04] <ice999> thanks
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1946 [14:33:20] <jelly> which is what watom said before, sorry
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1982 [14:53:19] <Wotac> after removing
~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf i'm now getting error messages
that setting locale failed, i already tried locale-gen and
dpkg-reconfigure locales but it still happens
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1984 [14:54:07] <greycat> My lovely wonderful corporate networking
department has fully broken the hell out of HTTP apt. So I'm
trying to use https. It's nearly working, but
security.debian.org is not:
1985 [14:54:10] <greycat> Err:2
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1988 [14:54:51] <greycat> Is there, like, a *trick* to get
security.debian.org to work over https? Especially on older
releases?
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1991 [14:55:59] <ratrace> greycat: it simply does not listen on
port 443 it seems
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1993 [14:56:09] <ratrace> I really don't understand Debian
and its insistence not to use TLS
1994 [14:56:25] <greycat> Ah, if I comment out the squid proxy in
apt.conf I get Failed to connect to security.debian.org port 443:
Connection refused
1995 [14:56:53] <greycat> I understand it, but it's becoming
a pain for me, personally, because of the stupidity being piled on
by my workplace.
1996 [14:57:14] <shtrb> greycat, proxy ?
1997 [14:57:26] <greycat> after commenting that out, I get the
other error
1998 [14:57:33] <ratrace> greycat: what can possibly be the
justifiable reason, in the age of letsencrypt and AESNI cpus?
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2000 [14:57:44] <greycat> bandwidth
2001 [14:57:53] <ratrace> what bandwidht?
2002 [14:58:00] <greycat> http sources can be cached
2003 [14:58:11] <ratrace> hrm
2004 [14:58:19] <shtrb> greycat, Are you trying to access
security.debian.org using an http proxy ? (that should break by
definition)
2005 [14:58:28] <ratrace> is anyone really using that... that
applies only to proxies. meanwhile there's a megaton of mirrors
2006 [14:58:28] <greycat> shtrb: NOT ANY MORE.
2007 [14:58:41] <greycat> ratrace: got a security.debian.org
mirror for me?
2008 [14:58:52] <ratrace> oh I see what you mean
2009 [14:59:08] <jelly> greycat, most security.d.o are broken wrt
https, good luck finding one that accidentally works
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2012 [14:59:41] <ratrace> greycat: but again, caching only applies
to proxies. I'm very curious to know what % of connections to
s.d.o is proxied...
2013 [14:59:55] <themill> greycat:
replaced-url
2014 [15:00:12] <greycat> for security, on stretch and buster? and
maybe older releases too?
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2017 [15:00:39] <jelly> if tor is an option you can try
security.debian.org:
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2018 [15:00:49] <themill> greycat: yes
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2020 [15:02:08] <greycat> themill: hmm... ok, thanks.
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2022 [15:02:28] <themill> see
replaced-url
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2024 [15:03:51] <jelly> when did that start working
2025 [15:03:51] <jelly> deb
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2028 [15:04:12] <themill> yonks ago
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2038 [15:06:49] <themill> DSA has been putting security.d.o behind
a CDN for ages because every kernel update would take down the small
security mirror network. When you have people bleating for https and
lots of mirrors, the only way to do that is a CDN like fastly
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2067 [15:14:08] <ice999> i just installed mariadb on a fresh
server and 'root' can login to mysql without a password;
how do I set a root's password?
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2073 [15:15:11] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2094 [15:23:01] <greycat> The (ridiculous) surprising thing about
mysql/mariadb authentication is that an account isn't
identified just by a username. It's identified by a username +
hostname combination. So you have a password for
'fred'@'localhost', and then a separate password
for 'fred'@'*' or whatever, for sites that come
in via TCP instead of unix domain socket.
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2096 [15:24:34] <jelly> and the name "localhost" is
hardcoded in mysql client library to mean "connect to unix
domain socket, not localhost"
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2099 [15:26:14] <iateadonut> remember BBS games? some colors on my
terminal recently made me want to play some.
2100 [15:26:29] <iateadonut> any suggestions on how/where?
something like trade wars or whatever (but not trade wars)
2101 [15:26:55] <jelly> ice999, don't do what google tells
you to. As root, run mysql_secure_installation and answer the
questions.
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2104 [15:28:40] <jelly> if you already did what google told you
to, it's not a problem, that's the most important stuff of
what the mysql_secure_installation script does (but the script also
does some more bits IIRC)
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2124 [15:34:45] <Delemas> I'm trying to write firewall rules
to allow dput use from a host. Has anyone found documentation on
what it uses?
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2127 [15:37:26] <Delemas> You'd think this would be simple
but there are actually zero hits on Google for example rules...
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2141 [15:45:02] <themill> Delemas: you can configure dput to use
lots of different protocols and talk to lots of different hosts
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2148 [15:48:40] <faceface_> hello
2149 [15:48:49] <Haohmaru> hai
2150 [15:48:51] <faceface_> I'm grabbing a qcow2 vm to run
from here:
replaced-url
2151 [15:48:57] <faceface_> what is the root password?
2152 [15:49:16] <faceface_> and is this a good choice for a
'generic server'?
2153 [15:49:24] <keropok> ****
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2157 [15:51:29] <frojnd> Hi there.
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2159 [15:52:05] <frojnd> I programatically created crontab in
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/cambugger
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2162 [15:53:00] <frojnd> Inside I added one line: @reboot
/bin/bash -c "/home/cambugger/work/start_picocom.sh"
2163 [15:53:19] <frojnd> But on boot... I can see two
"start_picocom.s" processes started
2164 [15:53:27] <frojnd> cambugg+ 477 0.0 0.0 2388 756 ? Ss 15:47
0:00 /bin/sh -c /bin/bash -c
"/home/cambugger/work/start_picocom.sh"
2165 [15:53:35] <frojnd> cambugg+ 478 0.1 0.0 7160 3660 ? S 15:47
0:00 /bin/bash /home/cambugger/work/start_picocom.sh
2166 [15:53:37] <frojnd> Why is that?
2167 [15:53:50] <frojnd> So now they are overlapping
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2169 [15:54:10] <themill> that's not two start_picocom,
that's sh running bash to run your script
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2172 [15:55:30] <frojnd> I'm pretty sure that's not
correct way there should only be one, because if I remove entry from
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/cambugger then there is no processes upon
boot
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2175 [15:56:15] <frojnd> My question is why are there 2 processes?
2176 [15:56:19] <frojnd> How can I fix this
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2178 [15:57:11] <themill> There's nothing to fix other than a
redundant use of "bash -c"
2179 [15:57:14] <greycat> one is clearly a child of the other.
that's extremely common with shells cripts.
2180 [15:57:35] <jelly> frojnd, if you have shell wrappers for an
actual tool, and the actual tool is the last command you're
running from the shell wrapper, run it with exec SOME COMMAND, not
just SOME COMMAND. That will replace the shell process completely.
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2183 [16:00:16] <frojnd> jelly: tool?
2184 [16:00:25] <greatgatsby> faceface_, you can change the root
password on the qcow image with: sudo virt-customize -a
<path-to-image> --root-password password:MyBadPassword
2185 [16:00:27] <jelly> frojnd, the thing you actually want to
run.
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2187 [16:00:55] <greatgatsby> faceface_, if you get an error, you
might need to set an env var: sudo LIBGUESTFS_BACKEND=direct
virt-customize .... (the rest of the command)
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2189 [16:01:06] <frojnd> jelly: jeah... start_picocom.sh is a bash
script
2190 [16:01:11] <greatgatsby> faceface_, you might also want to
resize it first too
2191 [16:01:13] <frojnd> jelly: with bash shebang
2192 [16:01:14] <jelly> frojnd, and what does it DO?
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2195 [16:01:36] <greycat> it's got a .sh extension so
it's clearly not very well-written
2196 [16:01:45] <greycat> probably all kinds of inefficiencies and
bugs
2197 [16:01:45] <greatgatsby> faceface_,
replaced-url
2198 [16:02:04] <jelly> frojnd, if it's a #!/bin/bash script,
then make it executable and call it directly. No need for bash -c
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2200 [16:02:27] <frojnd> jelly:
replaced-url
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2204 [16:03:04] * greycat scrolls up and sees the /bin/sh -c /bin/bash
-c "..." thing
2205 [16:03:14] <greycat> that's quite ridiculous indeed
2206 [16:03:20] <jelly> frojnd, make is executable and just call
/home/cambugger/work/start_picocom.sh from the cron job.
2207 [16:03:22] <jelly> nothing else
2208 [16:03:33] <frojnd> jelly: ok let me try it. Thank you btw
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2210 [16:04:06] <ice999> when i enable ChrootDirectory for sftp in
sshd, the connection terminates when the user tries to connect, any
idea?
2211 [16:04:06] <faceface_> greatgatsby: thanks
2212 [16:04:14] <jelly> frojnd, the first /bin/sh -c is PROBABLY
from cron itself, because something in your command line made it
think you were using shell syntax. Probably doublequotes.
2213 [16:04:18] <greycat> by the way, if cambugger is the one
whose cron job this IS, I would recommend calling
./work/start_picocom.sh
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2217 [16:04:39] <greycat> there's no good reason to hard-code
/home/cambugger/ in the cron job if it's cambugger's cron
job
2218 [16:04:50] <frojnd> greycat: yeah it's cambugger's
cron
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2221 [16:05:44] <frojnd> greycat: Yeah makes sense.. was runing it
as frojnd on my virtualbox but forgot to change it.. RUnning it on
real hardware now
2222 [16:06:22] <jelly> ,file bin/mapfile
2223 [16:06:25] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with
that file.
2224 [16:06:39] <themill> jelly: it's a bash builtin
2225 [16:06:42] <frojnd> jelly: so I must make it /bin/sh
compatible then so cron won't run it as bash?
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2228 [16:07:17] <jelly> frojnd, no. Just omit bash -c and quotes
in the cron job definition, don't change the script
2229 [16:07:25] <frojnd> jelly: ok
2230 [16:08:04] <greycat> I doubt the script is error-free either,
but... that's outside of our scope here.
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2232 [16:08:13] <faceface_> greatgatsby: thanks so much for these
pointers... I've been in the weeds all day
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2235 [16:08:59] <greatgatsby> faceface_, no problem, I've got
that page bookmarked, and some cloud-img notes, otherwise
there's no way I'd remember that
2236 [16:09:29] <jelly> frojnd, cron usually runs jobs directly.
But when it detects shell syntax, it switches to running with
/bin/sh -c '...'
2237 [16:09:58] <jelly> frojnd, if you coerce it to run the app
directly, /bin/sh will be gone
2238 [16:10:16] <jelly> that's what my suggestion is supposed
to accomplish
2239 [16:10:27] <faceface_> greatgatsby: what package includes
virt-customize?
2240 [16:11:41] <faceface_> libguestfs-tools I guess
2241 [16:12:05] <frojnd> jelly: hm still I have /bin/sh -c
./work/start_picocom.sh and /bin/bash ./work/start_picocom.sh
2242 [16:12:22] <greatgatsby> yeah, was just about to reply. BTW -
"apt-file" will help you with these questions (if you
weren't aware of that tool)
2243 [16:12:33] <greycat> start_picocom.sh probably calls itself
recursively, or something like that, who the hell knows
2244 [16:12:38] <faceface_> thanks, I always forget how to use it!
2245 [16:12:49] <jelly> frojnd, what does your crontab line look
like now
2246 [16:12:49] <frojnd> greycat: why would it calls itself?
I've pasted the code
2247 [16:12:59] <themill> greycat: well we have a copy of it and
we know it doesn't
2248 [16:13:18] <frojnd> @reboot ./work/start_picocom.sh
2249 [16:13:19] <greycat> OK, then it's just cron doing the
extra sh -c layer and nothing to fret over.
2250 [16:13:36] <jelly> huh, ok, that should have gotten rid of
/bin/sh
2251 [16:13:44] <jelly> frojnd, which debian release is this?
2252 [16:14:05] <jelly> greycat, it shouldn't do that
2253 [16:14:09] <frojnd> err... I thin buster net install with
just basic tool and ssh (I choose during installation)
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2255 [16:14:23] <jelly> frojnd, dpkg -l cron|tail -n1
2256 [16:14:28] <jelly> ,v cron
2257 [16:14:29] <judd> Package: cron on amd64 -- jessie:
3.0pl1-127+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.0pl1-127+deb8u2; stretch:
3.0pl1-128+deb9u1; buster: 3.0pl1-134+deb10u1; bullseye: 3.0pl1-136;
sid: 3.0pl1-136
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2259 [16:14:45] <frojnd> jelly: ii cron 3.0pl1-134+deb10u1 amd64
process scheduling daemon
2260 [16:14:56] <jelly> okay, that looks like buster
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2262 [16:15:13] <frojnd> As I said.. I did it programatically
2263 [16:15:21] <frojnd> I didn't do it like this: crontab -e
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2266 [16:15:56] <greycat> "because DOCKER!!!"
2267 [16:16:06] <frojnd> No..
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2269 [16:16:27] <frojnd> Because I have a coworker and he is not
so keen with terminal
2270 [16:16:37] <frojnd> Here is how I did it
2271 [16:17:36] <jelly> frojnd, it doesn't really matter
whether you ran "crontab -u cambugger tempfile" or
"crontab -u cambugger -e" and edited, that's fine
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2275 [16:18:48] <greycat> I'm betting it was "I wrote a
script that writes a script that ssh-es in and uses sudo and has
multiple passwords involved, and presto bingo, it ends up writing
@reboot ./foo to /var/spool/cron/user"
2276 [16:18:53] <frojnd> jelly: I mean I didn't touched
crontab -e whatsoever, I created file like this:
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2277 [16:18:59] <frojnd> After this I played with crontab -e
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2279 [16:19:08] <frojnd> Or crontab -u cambugger -e
2280 [16:19:41] <LCRERGO> Is there a recommended way to manage
different versions of python in a Debian system, besides virtualenv?
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2283 [16:20:25] <frojnd> And I forgot to double quotes my vars
2284 [16:20:29] <frojnd> But that's another issue
2285 [16:20:34] <frojnd> jelly: any more ideas?
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2290 [16:22:10] <frojnd> If I run just once,... start_picocom.sh
it works just fine
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2292 [16:23:10] <greycat> but it *already* works fine, and
you're just stressing over this extra harmless process that
shows up in ps's output
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2294 [16:23:49] <frojnd> It doesn't work fine... if it would
then it would write into file which is defined inside script I
pasted
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2297 [16:24:08] <faceface_> greatgatsby: I'm getting this
error: error: Failed to start domain Test1 / error: internal error:
process exited while connecting to monitor: Could not access KVM
kernel module: Permission denied
2298 [16:24:24] <greycat> Having process N "sh -c ./foo"
and process N+1 "bash ./foo" is completely NORMAL and does
not cause misbehaviors.
2299 [16:24:28] <faceface_> When it says 'monitor' does
it literally mean my monitor? I'm trying to do this headerless
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2301 [16:24:34] <greycat> If your script isn't working,
that's a completely SEPARATE question.
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2303 [16:25:31] <faceface_> I guess not
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2307 [16:27:06] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2309 [16:27:17] <greycat> buster's cron. It uses shell -c,
every time.
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2312 [16:28:18] <frojnd> So it runs it like this: shell -c
./work/start_picocom.sh ?
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2314 [16:28:46] <greycat> where "shell" is /bin/sh, yes.
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2317 [16:29:09] <debbers> Hello, quick question for people.
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2320 [16:29:31] <debbers> I run a few services such as Logitech
Media Server and Airsonic on Debian 9
2321 [16:29:43] <debbers> I want to run RetroPie but it requires
me to use Debian 8
2322 [16:29:58] <debbers> What are the 'dangers' /
security risks of running debian 8?
2323 [16:30:04] <debbers> Thank you :)
2324 [16:30:34] <greycat> jessie is still under LTS (Long Term
Support) for server stuff, but not necessarily for desktop stuff
2325 [16:30:52] <petn-randall> debbers: I don't know Logitech
Media Server and Airsonic. You'll have to look at the
vendor's site if they still support that, and if yes, under
which Debian releases.
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2330 [16:33:05] <debbers> greycat Is Jessie Debian 9? - I am new
to Linux / debian so please take this question seriously. Thank you
2331 [16:33:25] <trek00> debbers: have you tried retropie on
debian 9?
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2334 [16:33:38] <trek00> debbers: jessie is debian 8
2335 [16:33:40] <greycat> jessie is Debian 8, stretch is Debian 9
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2337 [16:34:31] <f-a> hello quarantined people. I plan to install
debian on a new laptop which has an atheros card. I suspect I need
this
replaced-url
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2342 [16:35:22] <debbers> petn-randall it's not so much if
AirSonic and Logictech Media Server is compatible with 8, it's
more that I will make the server avaliable online from my home
network and I wondered if running it online presents a security risk
to my home network? Could an Deb-8 be easily hacked?
2343 [16:36:19] <debbers> greycat so Jessie is Deb-8 and that is
still supported?
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2345 [16:36:29] <greycat> Barely supported, partially
supported....
2346 [16:36:37] <klys> most recent vulns have more to do with your
kernel than anything else. debian 8 should be pretty close to just
as secure as debian 9 or 10.
2347 [16:36:42] <greatgatsby> LCRERGO, pyenv
2348 [16:36:48] <greycat> Server stuff on Deb 8 is probably OK,
for now.
2349 [16:37:02] <greycat> Unless it's weird niche server
stuff.
2350 [16:37:20] <jm_> f-a: there are installer images with
non-free firmware available
2351 [16:37:24] <watom> f-a you can download the firmware package
and put it into the debian media or an external memory
2352 [16:37:34] <jm_> !firmware images
2353 [16:37:34] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available
from
replaced-url
2354 [16:37:41] <jm_> f-a: ^^^^^^
2355 [16:38:00] <debbers> I think I can reformulate my question
now I have unpicked this a little with people - I want to know if
running Debian 8 on my home network and open to the internet poses
any security risks for my home network or the Deb-8 server? Thank
you :)
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2357 [16:38:59] <greycat> It depends on what you run ON debian 8.
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2359 [16:39:13] <trek00> debbers: retropie is not running on
debian 9?
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2361 [16:39:54] <f-a> watom: jm_: thanks. Tho, is that nonfree?
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2363 [16:40:24] <jm_> f-a: most firmware files are
2364 [16:40:36] <debbers> trek00 when I checked a couple of weeks
ago people on the forums were recommending to use Debian 8 for
retropie.
2365 [16:41:00] <watom> f-a really depends on your network card
2366 [16:41:06] <trek00> debbers: give it a try on debian9, may be
those forums was old?
2367 [16:41:16] <debbers> trek00 I have RetroPie installed on
Debian 9 but when I open it the screen flashes black and then I am
taken back to the desk top.
2368 [16:41:21] <f-a> ok, thanks
2369 [16:41:26] <watom> i didn't review if you need it. i
just showed you a way to include firmwares in case
2370 [16:41:27] <jm_> no problem
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2372 [16:41:49] <trek00> debbers: ok, it was just to be sure
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2374 [16:42:27] <debbers> trek00 totally understand, so yes Deb-9
doesn;t seem to work, that's why I am looking to test it on
Deb-8 next.
2375 [16:43:05] <debbers> trek00 I am just worried that running
Deb-8 will expose my system to vulnerabilities, especially as I have
some services open to the internet on it .......
2376 [16:43:15] <greycat> !jessie lts
2377 [16:43:32] <greycat> !jessie-lts
2378 [16:43:32] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8
"Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will
receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via
<jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime
total. See
replaced-url
2379 [16:43:42] <debbers> Any know vulnerabilities with Deb-8 ?
2380 [16:43:47] <greycat> You've got limited support until
June.
2381 [16:44:28] <trek00> debbers: the list of known
vulnerabilities is here
replaced-url
2382 [16:44:32] <debbers> greycat Well some updates till June is
better than nothing.
2383 [16:45:20] <debbers> greycat trek00, Can you tell me is
Deb-8-lts different to Deb-8, I just want to make sure I download
the correct Deb .ISO
2384 [16:45:37] <trek00> debbers: not it's the same
2385 [16:45:51] <trek00> debbers: lts only means that support is
extended
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2387 [16:46:16] <debbers> So Deb-8 is the same as Deb-8-lts? They
are the same thing?
2388 [16:46:27] <greycat> There is only one thing.
2389 [16:46:30] <karlpinc> debbers: Every debian release goes into
long-term support.
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2391 [16:46:51] <karlpinc> debbers: (But there is the question of
why you'd want to start by _installing_ something old.)
2392 [16:47:10] <greycat> "See
replaced-url
2393 [16:47:20] <debbers> trek00 - I don't really understand
that list of vulnerabilities, but I assume that it must be
'safe' to use if it is still being supported?
2394 [16:47:21] <karlpinc> debbers: Note that not every package in
the release has long term support. (And I don't know how to
tell the difference.)
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2396 [16:47:58] <debbers> greycat There is only one Deb-8 ......
Affirmative, understood.
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2402 [16:49:14] <debbers> Karlpinc - I am needing to run something
old as the software I wish to run (RetroPie) Needs to run on Deb-8
as it can't run on the newer Deb OSes.
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2408 [16:50:42] <dacencora> debbers: just run retroarch +
emulationstation
2409 [16:50:59] <karlpinc> debbers: Well, that's a good
reason. (Although I'd think there'd be a better
alternative that gives you the same result.)
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2415 [16:51:49] <debbers> karlpinc No doubt there are many
alternative ways to achieve what I am doing. But I'm not a
Linux wizard so I generally go with the way that works best for me.
2416 [16:52:18] <dacencora> debbers: RetroPie is just retroarch +
emulationstation
2417 [16:52:39] <karlpinc> dacencora: Would that work with the
buster retroarch package?
2418 [16:52:49] <dacencora> Both retroarch and emulationstation
will run with basically any debian version
2419 [16:53:12] <debbers> dacencora Thanks for the tip. Will this
give me a nice glossy easy to use interface like RetroPie? I once
installed RetroArch, but then it required me to install each
emulator separately and it got real messy real quick ....
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2421 [16:53:42] <dacencora> karlpinc: good question. I am running
bullseye, and I ended up building both retroarch and
emulationstation, but I think it's easier/better in buster
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2423 [16:54:34] <dacencora> debbers: I know this is the debian IRC
but are you opposed to using Ubuntu? The xmbc PPA makes setting up
RetroArch super easy. (I like Debian much better than Ubuntu, but
that PPA in particular is nice)
2424 [16:54:44] <dacencora> *retroarch ppa
2425 [16:54:48] <dacencora> Not xmbc sorry
2426 [16:54:58] <debbers> Just looking up guides to install
retroarch and emulation station in debian,
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2430 [16:56:13] <debbers> On the retroarch webpage, I don't
see instructions for debian but there is a guide for Ubuntu, is the
Ubuntu guide the best one to follow?
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2432 [16:56:46] <dacencora> debbers: retroarch also comes as a
flatpak
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2435 [16:57:00] <dacencora> That's the "official"
way of doing it
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2437 [16:57:09] <debbers> Should I use the flatpak?
2438 [16:57:14] <dacencora> I forgot that they had changed it in
recent releases
2439 [16:57:22] <dacencora> Flatpak will likely make things easier
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2442 [16:57:44] <dacencora> (I personally don't like or use
flatpak myself, but I appreciate its usefulness)
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2448 [16:59:08] <jelly> frojnd, don't manipulate files in
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/ directly. Replace whole contents with
"crontab tempfile" syntax.
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2450 [16:59:41] <jelly> frojnd, otherwise you a) need to restart
cron service b) if there's a syntax error you won't be
alerted to that
2451 [16:59:54] <slanck> hi, i would like to do kernel debugging
on Debian 10.0.0 but I can't get the default kernel with
symbols.
2452 [17:00:00] <slanck> Does anyone know how to help me?
2453 [17:00:06] <dacencora> debbers: As far as the
"easy-to-use" interface, that will come from
emulationstation. retroarch's interface is still lacking IMO.
You could also use something like the Internet Archive Game Launcher
for Kodi as a frontend, but you will need to get the Kodi version
from the testing repos, or build it yourself
2454 [17:00:08] <debbers> dacencora Yes I try where possible to
stay a way from the easier stuff and do it in the more traditional
Linux way, in the hope that it will aid me to Learn Linux better.
2455 [17:00:33] <debbers> Is it Flathub that i search for Flatpak
apps?
2456 [17:00:50] <karlpinc> slanck: Have you tried installing the
linux-image-*-dbg package?
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2458 [17:01:08] <dacencora> debbers: yep. Or you can use Snaps and
go to Snapcraft
2459 [17:01:15] <trek00> slanck: there is a linux-image-*-dbg
package that you need to install
2460 [17:01:36] <slanck> karlpinc: yes but I do not find the
package for Debian 10.0.0, it seems only to have the 10.3.0 kernel
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2462 [17:01:58] <dacencora> debbers: "more traditional"
Linux is sort of a misnomer. Many things have changed over the
years. Flatpak/Snap are likely the way of the future
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2464 [17:02:13] <debbers> What is the difference between snaps and
Flatpak dacencora?
2465 [17:02:19] <slanck> trek00: yes, for latest version but I am
interested to get the kernel with symbols for all Debian 10 releases
and I can't find for older ones
2466 [17:02:34] <ratrace> debbers: different vendor, same concept,
similar implementations.
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2468 [17:02:46] <karlpinc> !snapshot
2469 [17:02:47] <dpkg>
replaced-url
2470 [17:03:04] <debbers> Yes I understand that things will move
forwards and if more people are to use Linux then snaps and Flatpak
are likely to be the way of the future. I 100% get that.
2471 [17:03:06] <karlpinc> slanck: ^
2472 [17:03:11] <ratrace> dacencora: flat/snaps have use and
function, but will never replace traditional packaging.
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2475 [17:04:22] <debbers> I'm happy enough to run a sudo apt
command, it's when there are dependencies involved that I start
to panic and melt ......
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2477 [17:04:48] <trek00> debbers: flatpak and snap helps programs
which have compatibility problems
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2479 [17:04:56] <debbers> So snaps and Flatpak or pretty much
similar things just made by different people / organisations?
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2481 [17:05:14] <ratrace> debbers: use packages in standard debian
repos, those won't melt in Stable. for anything else that
isn't packaged regularly, flat/snaps provide an alternative
method that does' pollute the system too much.
2482 [17:05:28] <ratrace> debbers: yes
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2484 [17:05:38] <ratrace> and appimage, but its implementation and
concept is slightly different
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2486 [17:05:49] <slanck> karlpinc: thank you very much. I took a
look there before asking here but I couldn't find it anyway. I
will try again, ty
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2490 [17:06:31] <ratrace> flatpak, snap, appimage, docker, rocket,
podman and I'm sure I'm forgetting some, they're all
trying to solve the same set of problems.
2491 [17:06:45] <dacencora> ratrace: I certainly hope not. I far
prefer Distro-specific packaging and repos
2492 [17:07:09] <alioui_> hi, is it possible to shrink a partition
/home and add space to /var ?? if so how
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2495 [17:07:22] <jelly> frojnd, so depending on how your system
starts up, you may have _thought_ you changed cron job but the
change was not active
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2499 [17:08:03] <debbers> ratrace, it's not the sytem that
melts it's my brain. I'm new to Linux so when I read
through and see dependencies I often don't understand what I am
required to do to add the dependencies
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2503 [17:08:42] <ratrace> debbers: then best don't deviate
from Debian Stable defaults until you feel more comfortable. if you
_must_ then use snaps or flatpaks as those are least likely to
pollute the system
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2505 [17:08:43] <debbers> Don't think I have heard of
appimage,, rocket, podman
2506 [17:09:10] <dacencora> debbers: there are a few different
ways to install packages on any distro, but for Debian in particular
there are the official repos (BEST), .deb packages (usually the
worst, because dependency resolution can become a nightmare),
snap/flatpak/etc (they're ok, but the way they run programs is
sort of a blackhole), and building from source (usually the more
advanced/more difficult, but affords the
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2508 [17:09:17] <dacencora> greatest freedom and customizability)
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2510 [17:09:32] <ratrace> debbers: like pretty much everything
else in *NIX world, every problem has a ton of separate
implementations of the same or similar solutions :)
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2512 [17:09:56] <debbers> Docker is another thing that melts my
brain a little, but Iknow it's something I REALLY need to learn
as it seems to remove a lot of the complications of installing apps
on a Linux system. Often all the depenncies are already set up and
ready to go. It's as if Dicker gives you a complete and ready
to deploy app, that's how I understand it ??
2513 [17:10:01] <trek00> alioui_: yes, which filesystem?
2514 [17:10:43] <ratrace> debbers: all these are
"containerized application deployment" systems. Each app
is a tarball, so to speak, of a mini-distro inside, complete with
libc and every lib and dependency some program requires to run, sans
the kernel itself.
2515 [17:11:19] <ratrace> debbers: so basically, you're
installing a mini-OS (sans kernel) under a directory, for each
application installed via these platforms.
2516 [17:11:37] <jelly> dpkg, dicker is <reply>see docker
2517 [17:11:39] <dpkg> okay, jelly
2518 [17:12:11] <ratrace> there are minor exceptions to this, like
flatpak and snap offering so called "runtimes" which
include boilerplate dependencies so individual applications need to
package a bit less than literally a full OS sans the kernel.
2519 [17:12:18] <ratrace> jelly: +1
2520 [17:12:25] <debbers> I think a lot of people in the Linux
world prefer their distro-specifi repos though? But as I said if
more people are to use Linux snaps and Flatpak etc will probs need
to become a standard,
2521 [17:12:29] <trek00> alioui_: also, do you have lvm?
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2524 [17:12:57] <alioui_> debian os and not lvm
2525 [17:13:04] <alioui_> ext4
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2528 [17:13:48] <ratrace> debbers: hope note. also dont'
forget that anyone can upload anything to their hubs, there is no
maintainership and vetting by "your distro", which is by
design, so those platforms will never replace standard packaging.
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2530 [17:13:55] <ratrace> augment yes, replace never.
2531 [17:14:09] <debbers> ratrace and how do I find out / know if
I am using Debian Stable defaults ? This is new terminology to me so
I'm not sure if I am understanding correctly.
2532 [17:14:11] <trek00> alioui_: well you can shrink easily, but
to add space to another partition it will probably require to backup
and recreate that partition
2533 [17:14:51] <dacencora> debbers: if you install things via
"sudo apt install" or "sudo apt-get install"
you're doing it the default way
2534 [17:14:57] <fuxxy> Attempting to craft some errorchecking
into my apache2 virtualhost configs. It appears <IfModule
mod_ssl.c> works (assuming 'a2enmod ssl' was loaded).
However, mod_ssl.c does not exist on the system. The actual module
is mod_ssl.so. What would be the "proper" directive?
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2536 [17:15:05] <ratrace> debbers: if you installed using the
installer and didn't add alien repositories, then you're
using default repos. Buster is currently "the" Debian
Stable release.
2537 [17:15:20] <dacencora> Also nothing will change on its own,
so you are already using defaults unless you change something
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2539 [17:15:31] <debbers> dacencora I didn't know .debs are
considered the worst. I intalled Logitech Media Server on my servea
via a .deb and didn't have any issues, it was a very smooth and
easy process.
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2541 [17:15:52] <alioui_> trek00: ok thanks
2542 [17:16:21] <dacencora> debbers: technically that is just my
opinion, but I have always had issues with .deb packages. If that is
all I have, I usually tend to build from source, because the
dependency management is easier when building from source
2543 [17:16:30] <debbers> I have never built anything from source,
I wouldn't even know how to build from soucre. From my
understanding building from source is for true Linux ninjas ;)
2544 [17:16:55] <fuxxy> debbers, from my experence, .deb
installation is the same as "normal" repo installation.
The biggest issue from installing an up-to-date .deb on a system
with proper dependancies is the lack of version control and package
updates
2545 [17:17:01] <trek00> alioui_: the command to shrink or expand
a filesystem is resize2fs
2546 [17:17:12] <ratrace> debbers: they're "the
worst" (assuming .deb files from random sources) because
they're intrusive and have huge potential to break your system.
But for many applications there are tidy and quality repositories
for debian that one can use in addition to default repos.
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2548 [17:17:40] <dacencora> debbers: well I use a source-based
distro for my everyday computing, but the main issue is that most
distros (debian included) don't install headers by default
2549 [17:17:55] <fuxxy> debbers, you're trusting the packager
of the .deb to not be doing anything harmful, and there's no
oversight on what was put in the .deb
2550 [17:18:01] <debbers> ratrace snaps and flatpak are examples
of "containerization" - Is that correct? I didn't
know that ......
2551 [17:18:10] <ratrace> dacencora: and for majority of use
cases, unless you're developing for those packages, the headers
are not needed
2552 [17:18:15] <ratrace> debbers: yes
2553 [17:18:20] <dacencora> So you have to go and install the -dev
versions of all the libraries that you need
2554 [17:18:27] <dacencora> ratrace: absolutely true
2555 [17:18:35] <dacencora> Just an fyi for building from source
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2557 [17:18:58] <greycat> *Some* things are easy to build from
source. Some are not.
2558 [17:19:00] <ratrace> though building from source is the last
thing a newcomer to linux should attempt.
2559 [17:19:02] <serard> Hello
2560 [17:19:09] <serard> Is it possible in preseed to remove man ?
2561 [17:19:13] <dacencora> Distros like slackware and Gentoo
include the headers as part of the base package, so you rarely need
to install anything to build
2562 [17:19:21] <dacencora> ratrace: Oh I absolutely agree
2563 [17:19:22] <greycat> Generally speaking, the more mature and
popular a program is, the easier it will be to build, but there are
exceptions.
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2566 [17:19:49] <fuxxy> ratrace, I started my linux experience
with Gentoo. I'm a glutton for punishment via steep learning
curves, I guess.
2567 [17:20:02] <dacencora> Not that I disagree with Debian's
way of doing things. (Debian is one of my favorite distros by far)
2568 [17:20:12] <dacencora> fuxxy: haha that is pretty crazy
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2573 [17:21:19] <fuxxy> dacencora, I've since then learned
how difficult maintaining a source-based distro was on a
'stable' platform can be. I switched to debian for my
production and homelab servers
2574 [17:21:34] <debbers> rartrace when you say hubs you are
referring to Flatpak and snaps etc? So Who owns Flatpak and snaps? I
am starting to see why they are less secure and less prefered than
using repo hubs now. Does anything nasty ever get in to repo hubs?
2575 [17:22:23] <debbers> So repos - regardles of if they come
from debian or not are usually considered good? / the best way to
install apps?
2576 [17:22:30] <dacencora> fuxxy: interesting, in my experience
Gentoo is incredibly stable, even when using ~arch. I don't
think I have ever broken my Gentoo install. Debian and Ubuntu are
obviously easier/better/faster to maintain
2577 [17:22:56] <ratrace> debbers: yes. flatpak and snaps have
their "hubs", which are their official repositories. those
hubs are external to distros and have zero oversight from any
distro. anyone can upload MySQLTotallyNotWithMalwareISwear there and
it may be installed by people. THAT already happened (malware in one
of the snaps).
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2579 [17:23:32] <fuxxy> dacencora, Oh, I didn't have
stability issues. My issues were relating to incomplete/broken deps
requiring complete toolchain recompiles for seemingly minor version
updates
2580 [17:23:33] <debbers> dacencora When you ttalk about headers I
am lost, I haven't heard that terminology before.
2581 [17:23:34] <ratrace> debbers: of course, there are vetted
"verified" vendors at leat in Snapstore, but that's
the closest you get to any maintainership.
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2584 [17:23:57] <greycat> debbers: in Debian context, that would
be a -dev package.
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2586 [17:24:10] <annadane> hey at least gentoo is documented
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2588 [17:24:14] <greycat> e.g. to build things that use the curses
library, you need to install libncurses5-dev
2589 [17:24:17] <annadane> you can do worse, i'm sure
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2591 [17:24:58] <fuxxy> debbers, the headers are basically
instructions for third-party packages to interface with a support
package. Kindof like a user manual, but for code. If you're
familiar with APIs, the idea is similar
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2593 [17:25:44] <dacencora> fuxxy: hmm that's interesting. I
honestly update pretty irregularly and it works pretty darn
amazingly well. I just run emerge --sync once or twice a month and
then emerge -avuDN @world
2594 [17:25:49] <greycat> that is the oddest definition of
"headerd" I've heard
2595 [17:25:51] <debbers> ratrace - ah so anyone including the
general public are able to upload to flatpak and snaps. There is
litterally no one checjking what goes on there? That seems nice and
dangerous!
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2600 [17:26:12] <ratrace> debbers: yes. and there already WAS
malware in a snap. some cryptominer thingy.
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2603 [17:26:54] <fuxxy> greycat, that's just my
interpretation. Is it incorrect?
2604 [17:27:08] <ratrace> debbers: some will say "so what,
it's in a container, and it won't pollute the
system", but the problem is, it doesn't NEED to. plenty of
malware (like spam bots, crypto miners, etc...) can function
contained just fine.
2605 [17:27:15] <greycat> Not incorrect... just weird. :)
2606 [17:27:23] <debbers> I am guessing because of the way Linux
works anything that is a distro repo is carefully checked for bugs,
malware and compatibility .... ???
2607 [17:27:49] <debbers> ratrace (there was malware in a snap) -
I hate snaps already!
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2610 [17:28:00] <dacencora> debbers: not necessarily for every
distro, but for Debian -- absolutely
2611 [17:28:10] <ratrace> hold on, you can't guarantee that.
2612 [17:28:27] <LunaLovegood> Is there a DNS resolver app
that's lightweight? I only need to retrieve the first A record
for a host in a bash script. 'host' from bind9-host or
'dig' from dnsutils would each pull 39 megs of
dependencies.
2613 [17:28:41] <dacencora> I suppose that's true
2614 [17:28:47] <dacencora> But in general
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2616 [17:29:00] <greycat> LunaLovegood: even with no recommends?
2617 [17:29:06] <debbers> dacencora This makes me love Debian that
little bit more than I already do, what a great learning experience
this chat has been.
2618 [17:29:16] <jm_> LunaLovegood: getent hosts not good enough
for you?
2619 [17:29:32] <ratrace> debbers: dacencora: in theory, it is
possible for a malicious maintainer to package stuff up, but
it's also much easier to spot malicious activity, because
software is not contained. that same isolation/containment that
protects the host is ALSO an iron curtain for the host to peek into
and see wth is going on.
2620 [17:29:52] <fuxxy> debbers, dacencora the idea is that the
packages are overlooked by everyone involved in the maintainer dev
chain. Like any other group, it's only as comprehensive as the
people involved are willing to be.
2621 [17:29:58] <ratrace> maintainer = mainter of .deb files in
standard debian repos
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2623 [17:30:32] <debbers> greycat dacencora so I snaps and Flatpak
for RetroArch but not for EmulationStation .......
2624 [17:30:35] <LunaLovegood> Didn't know about getent,
thanks jm_
2625 [17:30:40] <jm_> LunaLovegood: no problem
2626 [17:31:10] <technobi> Hello All, where would I find the
person that contributed to the package? I would like to contact the
elinks maintener. I mean not the original one. I'm in touch
with him and he doesn't develop it anymore. However someone
updated the sources in the distribution to newer version. Is that
possible? I'd have something to contribute....
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2630 [17:31:58] <debbers> greycat dacencora I will install the
RetroArch via the commandline though, but why no emulationstation in
Flatpak or snaps?
2631 [17:32:04] <greycat> technobi: apt-cache show pkgname | grep
Maintainer
2632 [17:32:47] <technobi> Very well... thank You very much
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2635 [17:32:53] <dacencora> debbers: likely because the devs
haven't ported it to snap/flat
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2638 [17:34:28] <debbers> dacencora .... ah OK - I wonder why not
as it seems like a well liked piece of software ....
2639 [17:34:47] <dacencora> debbers:
replaced-url
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2644 [17:35:06] <dacencora> There are .deb pre-builts or there is
building from source for debian for emulationstation
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2647 [17:36:32] <debbers> dacencora I will just go down the sudo
apt route to install emulation station - Don't forget
it'sd more safe and secure to pull from the repos ;)
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2650 [17:38:32] <dacencora> debbers: unfortunately it's not
in the official repo tree :/
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2652 [17:39:04] <debbers> dacencora - Ah OK I am still learning
..... clearly I have a lot to learn yet!
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2659 [17:39:38] <karlpinc> debbers: Yes, you need to be careful
with using non-debian repos.
2660 [17:39:41] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
2661 [17:39:42] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is
replaced-url
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2663 [17:40:04] <InvisibleRasta> hmm
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2665 [17:40:59] <debbers> I will giove all the retropie stuf /
retro arch / emulation station a try later to this evening.
2666 [17:41:30] <debbers> I want to say a massive thank you to
everyone for being so friendly and so helpful!
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2668 [17:42:10] <debbers> I always thought IRC places were a bit
unfriedly and a place where the answer is usually just 'read
the docs'
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2670 [17:42:56] <greycat> depends on the questions, and who's
online at the moment
2671 [17:43:21] <dacencora> Yeah that's very true
2672 [17:43:23] <debbers> You have all proved me wrong, so a
massive thank you for your time and help.
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2674 [17:43:29] <dacencora> Also depends on the channel
2675 [17:44:12] <dacencora> *cough* ##slackware *cough*
2676 [17:44:42] <ratrace> "hey how do I" > "look
at the manpage for option X" > "oh, thanks, wow,
manpages!" is acceptable kind of RTFM. "how do I..."
> "RTFM NOOOB HAW HAW" is not.
2677 [17:44:52] <debbers> Well #Debian seems friendly, is thartt
normally the case?
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2679 [17:45:25] <dacencora> I have found #debian and #gentoo to be
very friendly and active
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2682 [17:46:32] <debbers> Well as someone who learns best by
watching and observing, man pages are little help to me
unfortunatley. I can read man pages 6, 8 maybe 19 times and I still
wont 'get it'
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2684 [17:47:00] <debbers> dacencora greycat ratrace are you
normally in this channel?
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2688 [17:47:39] <greycat> this may not be the best month to try to
predict schedules
2689 [17:47:49] <dacencora> debbers: actually no haha. I am
usually not in this channel
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2692 [17:48:49] <debbers> greycat dacencora areplaced-url
2693 [17:49:20] <ratrace> debbers: this channel is very active. if
you need help, pop in and there will be someone. be patient if there
isn't at that particular moment.
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2696 [17:51:06] <debbers> Great advuce, thank you ratrace,
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2702 [17:53:10] <wrksx> I heard about debian allowing cinnamon as
a default option
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2704 [17:53:45] <wrksx> that's cool
2705 [17:53:45] <debbers> A last topic discussion before I got, I
am interested in self hosting, and finding out about software I can
run on my Debian system, one other useful thing I run on my network
is PiHole, does anyone have any recommendations of other useful
software?
2706 [17:54:05] <debbers> Anything I can do to improve Pi Hole?
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2708 [17:54:33] <debbers> Anything or anywhere you would recommend
as a way for me to become more confident as a Linux user?
2709 [17:54:58] <wrksx> Using linux daily is a great way to get
confident.
2710 [17:54:59] <annadane> debbers, i'd probably read
replaced-url
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2712 [17:55:08] <annadane> that's for linux in general, and
for debian:
2713 [17:55:10] <annadane> !newcomer
2714 [17:55:10] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some
resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook:
replaced-url
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2719 [17:57:25] <wrksx> debbers: about self hosting, you mean you
want to host services open to the internet?
2720 [17:58:17] <debbers> Thanks for the tip wrksx I do use Linux
when and where I can, and I am making the switch to using more and
more OpenSource software :)
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2723 [17:58:46] <debbers> annadane, thanks for the link, I will
take a look :)
2724 [17:59:09] <fuxxy> debbers, I'd wholly recommend
spinning up an ESXi install on a spare machine, and use that as a
homelab. It will give you many, many opportunities to interconnect
things that you may not have had before
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2726 [18:00:10] <debbers> wrkx Selfhosting = running things at
home on an old machine and making them avaliable over the internet.
Eg. Nextcloud .....
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2728 [18:01:32] <debbers> fuxxy I do mean to progress to using a
virtual machine, right now I use a number of raspberry Pi's and
an old thin client for learning linux on.
2729 [18:01:40] <greycat> annadane: wow, this
"linuxcommand.org" web site is really bad... there's
a set of nagivation links on the left hand side, but they do nothing
at all, if you didn't come in through the "front
page"
2730 [18:02:02] <fuxxy> debbers, Pi's are great, but
you're limiting yourself with the ARM platform
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2733 [18:03:03] <debbers> fuxxy I don't suppose you know,
could I run VMs on an old thinclient or would the specs be too
limited?
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2735 [18:03:24] <fuxxy> debbers, I wouldnt
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2737 [18:03:50] <debbers> fuxxy Yes I feel the Pi platform is
limited, That's why I moved to a ThinClient, next stop for me a
hope is an Intel NUC.
2738 [18:03:51] <fuxxy> With ESXi, specifically, you need
dedicated, upgradable storage, as well as RAM
2739 [18:04:19] <fuxxy> Even an old Intel Core series on a proper
motherboard is preferable
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2741 [18:04:47] <debbers> The ThinClient I have runs an Intel Atom
I think ....
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2743 [18:04:58] <debbers> I'd only spin up a singfle VM at a
time,
2744 [18:05:06] <debbers> single*
2745 [18:05:16] <fuxxy> debbers, the idea is to run multiple
simultaneously
2746 [18:05:46] <fuxxy> otherwise you won't have a need to
lean "how do I utilize a mysql database on another
machine"
2747 [18:05:50] <fuxxy> stuff like that
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2750 [18:06:52] <debbers> fuxxy Yes I understand the idea is to
run multiple, but for my use purposes, I could say have one sytem
with Retropie, one to learn programming on, one to do X, then I
aren't borking everything when something goes wrong with one of
the VMs .... ??
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2753 [18:07:48] <fuxxy> You could do that simply by swapping
storage devices
2754 [18:08:02] <debbers> fuxxy, I dont think I am ready for MySQL
yet
2755 [18:08:32] <wrksx> debbers: bad mindset =) you are ready to
take over the world mate
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2757 [18:09:02] <fuxxy> It's up to you. It was just an
example, but the idea is to give you goals you wouldnt normally have
in a single instance
2758 [18:09:30] <debbers> I guess I could swap storage devices,
but that means having to buy lots of storage devices and having them
cluttering up the place when I am not using them
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2761 [18:10:02] <debbers> wrksx "if you think you can or you
think you can't you are right" ;)
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2763 [18:10:26] <fuxxy> debbers, If I were attempting to
accomplish that goal (for a student or offspring, for instance), I
would buy a handful of USB flash drives and use those for bootable
storage
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2765 [18:10:43] <debbers> fuxxy, I appreciate all the suggestions
you are sending my way, I'm not intentially being obstructive!
I appreciate the examples you are giving me :)
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2767 [18:10:54] <graphine> moin
2768 [18:11:10] <fuxxy> Use a NAS with "big" storage,
and use the USB drives for the OS
2769 [18:11:21] <graphine> no one helped me in the freenode
channel can someone tell me how to register please
2770 [18:11:40] <fuxxy> . /msg nickserv register password
2771 [18:11:49] <graphine> thanks
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2773 [18:12:03] <wrksx> "in the freenode channel" =)
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2775 [18:12:46] <wrksx> is there #freenode? never even though
about checking it out
2776 [18:13:01] <fuxxy> there is
2777 [18:13:01] <graphine> yes it was my first idea
2778 [18:13:44] <e> you were there for 5 minutes. we all have
jobs...
2779 [18:14:12] <graphine> all?
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2781 [18:14:15] <fuxxy> debbers, and don't forget, breaking
things also gives you the opportunity to fix them as well
2782 [18:14:25] <graphine> thanks fuxxy
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2785 [18:14:47] <fuxxy> de nada
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2787 [18:14:56] <graphine> how do i put someone on ignore fuxxy ?
2788 [18:15:20] <fuxxy> . /ignore nickname
2789 [18:15:22] <debbers> fuxxy - So is ESXi the software that
takes over the whole system and acts at the OS, to allow you to
launch VMs? I know there is one Hypervisor that workls like this and
I forget which it is ......
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2791 [18:15:34] <graphine> your stalking is not appreciated e
2792 [18:15:36] <fuxxy> debbers, ESXi.
2793 [18:16:04] <fuxxy> debbers, a "true" hypervisor is
installed on the bare metal, and allows you to allocate system
resources to the virtual machine containers
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2795 [18:16:19] <fuxxy> google "bare metal hypervisors"
for more options
2796 [18:16:22] <debbers> Due to using Raspberry Pi I am all to
familiar with the multiple storage method. I have lots of MicroSD
cards around my house, the logistics of managing where they are and
what is on them is a nightmare :D
2797 [18:16:52] <wuyx> hello, I cant connect wifi network through
my tp-link wn722n adapter with ar9271 chip, does anyone know how to
make it work on Debian? Thanks
2798 [18:16:54] <fuxxy> debbers, you may actually have use for a
boot/PXE server
2799 [18:16:59] <graphine> hope people here are often like fuxxy
and less like e
2800 [18:17:01] <graphine> :-)
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2802 [18:17:29] <fuxxy> debbers, you can load lots of bootable
installs on the PXE server, and through rules which you decide, can
boot from whatever you want, all over the network
2803 [18:17:36] <debbers> I usually consult some place like this
when I break things ......
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2806 [18:17:43] <annadane> wuyx, does anything show up on sudo
dmesg | grep -i firmware?
2807 [18:17:55] <graphine> take good care fuxxy god bless you stay
healthy :-)
2808 [18:17:56] <debbers> fuxxy I've never quite been sure
what BareMetal is .... please enlighten me :)
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2810 [18:18:13] <fuxxy> "Bare Metal" is the generic term
used for the actual, physical hardware
2811 [18:19:12] <debbers> fuxxy I'm not familair with
boot/PXE server please can you say more about what they are and what
they do .... ?
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2813 [18:19:49] <fuxxy> basically, whatever is installed on
"bare metal" has access to EVERYTHING on the physical
system. The Virtual Machines installed within are just files on the
hypervisor's storage
2814 [18:19:56] <wuyx> yes
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2816 [18:20:38] <annadane> wuyx, can you maybe paste the output to
paste.debian.net?
2817 [18:20:41] <debbers> fuxxy - think I need to look in to
PXE/boot servers I am not sure I am understanding what they do.
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2821 [18:20:45] <wuyx> see, i've installed the firmware of
it,but i simply can't make it work, it doesn't connect to
the wifi, but it's turned on
2822 [18:21:11] <wuyx> the firmware is firmware-ath9k-htc
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2825 [18:22:01] <wuyx> well, honestly speaking i'm not
familiar with debian, i just got on it for a week
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2827 [18:22:51] <annadane> okay, i'll leave it to others to
diagnose, then; often the problem is missing firmware
2828 [18:23:06] <debbers> fuxxy not sure I am understanding bare
metal either - but thank you for trying to explain it to me.
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2832 [18:23:48] <wuyx> thanks
2833 [18:23:55] <annadane> bare metal in general just means
running on an actual computer and not virtualizaed
2834 [18:24:05] <annadane> i can't spell, but anyway
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2836 [18:24:30] <fuxxy> debbers,
replaced-url
2837 [18:24:34] <debbers> Fuxxy - you seem very knowledgeable
about computers and networking - where did you learn all your
knowledge, do you work in I.T by any chance?
2838 [18:24:57] <fuxxy> debbers, I do not. I'm a chemical
industry operator
2839 [18:25:02] <debbers> annadane so bare metal means running on
a physical computer that you can touch and see in the 'real
world'
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2841 [18:25:46] <fuxxy> debbers, essentially, yes. However,
VM's qualify in your definition as well
2842 [18:26:17] <annadane> there's certain differences when
you run something "natively" compared to when you abstract
it by virtualizing
2843 [18:26:35] <fuxxy> debbers, think of "Bare Metal"
as the first layer. That's what's booted when the computer
is first powered on
2844 [18:26:41] <debbers> So EXSi runs on a physical computer but
does, it take over the whole system and run as the OS, or does it
run ontop of an OS?
2845 [18:27:23] <fuxxy> the hypervisor (ESXi or otherwise) - will
be the only operating system installed on the machine
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2847 [18:27:53] <wuyx> What does paste.debian.net do?
2848 [18:28:04] <debbers> Something that is booted when the
computer is powered on . Like a BIOS?
2849 [18:28:17] <fuxxy> everything else will be installed to
'containers' that the hypervisor manages
2850 [18:28:39] <debbers> I have seen Hypervisors that run inside
an OS I think VirtualBox runs ontop of the OS like an app?
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2852 [18:28:55] <fuxxy> BIOS is the initial set of instructions
that tells the hardware where to look after the initial tests pass
2853 [18:29:18] <debbers> BIOS is baremetal though no?
2854 [18:29:38] <fuxxy> debbers, Those are typically called
hypervisors (and fall in to the category, I suppose), but
they're technically jails
2855 [18:29:39] <debbers> BIOS is the first thing that runs when
you switch the computer on as far as I understand?
2856 [18:29:58] <fuxxy> correct. BIOS is a physical chip on the
mainboard
2857 [18:30:15] <fuxxy> Basic Input Output System
2858 [18:30:28] <annadane> wuyx, it's just a paste site that
allows us to see your output as pasting long lines to the chat is
inconvenient for everyone
2859 [18:30:35] <annadane> we prefer it to pastebin.com
2860 [18:31:13] <fuxxy> it initalizes the hardware, runs some
tests, performs initial configuration, and then hands the boot
process to the specified boot device
2861 [18:31:37] <debbers> I think I have got lost with the thread
of this conversation - so Does EXSi work like an OS that takes over
the whole machine or is it more like an app that runs inside an OS?
2862 [18:31:56] <fuxxy> ESXI will take over the entire machine
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2864 [18:32:45] <debbers> Ah yes EXSi must be the software I have
seen in the past where you press the "Playy button" to
start each VM - I really like the look of it.
2865 [18:32:58] <debbers> Just watching your video about PXE/DHCP
now :)
2866 [18:33:24] <wuyx> annadane, i just found out that i can
connect the wifi after i turn it to monitor mode with airmon-ng, and
then turn it back to Managed mode. Odd
2867 [18:33:54] <fuxxy> The only GUI ESXi will present is a black
and yellow text screen. It tries to be as minimal as possible, to
ensure as many resources as possible are available to the VMs
2868 [18:34:07] <wuyx> So is this is because i didn't make
the settings correct?
2869 [18:34:17] <annadane> i don't know
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2871 [18:35:14] <wuyx> On Ubuntu it works perfect, i just cant
understand why it doesn't work on debian.Good thing is that i
have a backup adapter
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2877 [18:36:36] <ratrace> wuyx: one thing to consider is that
ubuntu adds so called "SAUCE" patches which are specific
to Ubuntu and not (yet) upstreamed, for hardware compatibility
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2880 [18:37:53] <annadane> "Imagine there's no closed
hardware, it's easy if you try..."
2881 [18:38:01] <debbers> fuxxy - so PXE looks pretty magical and
special. Am I right in thinking it can pipe out the operating system
to any computer network card that runs thePXE?
2882 [18:38:07] <karlpinc> wuyx: Can you give us the pciid of the
device from lspci -nn (as root)?
2883 [18:38:17] <wuyx> i try
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2885 [18:38:59] <fuxxy> debbers, it doesnt pipe anything, it just
presents the same files a HDD would present to a booting system, but
over the network
2886 [18:39:10] <karlpinc> debbers: You can boot any os you can
deliver a boot loader for, and an os for the boot loader to load.
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2888 [18:39:30] <debbers> So for example let's say I have 3
OSes on the PXE sever MacOS Win10 and Win XP. If I want to work n
WinXP on every decive on my network, I don't have to install it
on each client I can just get the PXE server to pipe it to the
device I want to work on?
2889 [18:39:58] <fuxxy> debbers, correct. You'd have to craft
a boot menu for that though
2890 [18:40:19] <debbers> fuxxy so how would i find out if my
client devices support PXE?
2891 [18:40:24] <wuyx> karlpinc, i which line should i pay
attention to? i cant find anything related to the wireless adapter?
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2893 [18:40:50] <fuxxy> The thinclient does, that's the idea
behind a thinclient
2894 [18:41:07] <fuxxy> but you can google the system model and
find out
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2896 [18:41:17] <karlpinc> wuyx: Should be there, unless it's
a usb wireless adapter.
2897 [18:41:28] <wuyx> Wait, i just found an output that says
"[ 1509.093877] usb 2-1.1: ath9k_htc: Firmware
ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw requested"
2898 [18:41:40] <debbers> fuxxy Oh OK well I guess having multiple
easy to swap out my OSes on my thin client would be super useful,
2899 [18:41:48] <wuyx> indeed it is
2900 [18:41:53] <fuxxy> even devices that don't natively
support PXE are capable of PXE boot, with a locally installed PXE
loader
2901 [18:41:58] <karlpinc> wuyx: Now you need to do "pciid
-nn" to find the number inside the [] braces.
2902 [18:41:59] <wuyx> it's a usb adapter
2903 [18:42:04] <debbers> So can I make a save state of the OS and
send it back to the PXE server?
2904 [18:42:26] <wuyx> on my desktop box
2905 [18:42:32] <karlpinc> wuyx: Humm....
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2907 [18:42:52] <greycat> !ar9271
2908 [18:42:52] <dpkg> ath9k_htc is a Linux kernel driver for
Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices,
introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about
<atheros firmware> to provide.
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2909 [18:43:05] <debbers> If I can get PXE to run on all my
devices I would be tempted to create a PXE server. I can see how it
would be useful .
2910 [18:43:21] <debbers> I'd quite like to be able to swap
out OSes across al my systems ....
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2912 [18:44:32] <karlpinc> wuyx: So do you have the
firmware-atheros package installed?
2913 [18:44:45] <wuyx> yes
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2915 [18:45:03] <wuyx> karlpinc, i don't even have pciid
2916 [18:45:07] <wuyx> not even in /sbin
2917 [18:45:14] <greycat> it's lspci -nn
2918 [18:45:20] <karlpinc> debbers: Well, to really "swap
out" you also need disk images served over the network, so your
OS has a disk with programs on it.
2919 [18:45:25] <wuyx> okay...
2920 [18:46:33] <karlpinc> wuyx: If you have the right firmware,
maybe a newer kernel will help. (?) It wouldn't hurt to follow
the instructions at backports.debian.org and install a newer
"linux-image" package. You can install it and keep your
current one and decide which to use at boot.
2921 [18:47:03] <karlpinc> wuyx: But I've not really been
following along. It is also possible that what you already have
works, and is just not being configured properly or something.
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2923 [18:47:16] <karlpinc> wuyx: I'm not really the person to
debug wireless issues.
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2925 [18:47:38] <wuyx> yes, i think it's just not configured
properly
2926 [18:47:42] <debbers> karlpinc is the PXE not sending disk
images (.ISOs)?
2927 [18:47:45] <wuyx> but i thought it's automatic?
2928 [18:48:34] <karlpinc> wuyx: You only need a newer kernel if
your hardware is "too new". How recently was it introduce
by the manufacturer?
2929 [18:48:39] <wuyx> you know, i have a mercury mw150us adapter
and it works perfect on debian
2930 [18:49:00] <wuyx> No ,it's a 2009 machine
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2933 [18:49:31] <debbers> fuxxy are you still here?
2934 [18:49:32] <wuyx> i assembled with only 100 dollars
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2936 [18:49:45] <fuxxy> debbers, I am. Scripting
2937 [18:49:48] <karlpinc> debbers: No. It is sending a boot
loader and a kernel. If you want the kernel to run from a disk
shared over the network then that has to be configured into the
kernel's boot parameters (or whatever the kernel uses to decide
what disk to use as root/whatever MS Windows does.)
2938 [18:50:07] <karlpinc> wuyx: Should work.
2939 [18:50:30] <debbers> Well I think my chats have dried up.
Thanks for helping me great to chat with you all :)
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2941 [18:50:33] <karlpinc> wuyx: But network interfaces don't
"just work". They have to be told how they are supposed to
talk to the network.
2942 [18:50:44] <debbers> Bye and hoepfully spealk to you all
again soon :)
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2945 [18:51:14] <karlpinc> wuyx: You could share
/etc/network/interfaces, or whatever networkmanager uses if you use
network manager.
2946 [18:51:17] <wuyx> it works, it just cann't connect to
the essid( or Access Point), and i don't know why
2947 [18:51:21] <karlpinc> !tell wuyx about paste
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2949 [18:52:21] <karlpinc> wuyx: That's the sort of stuff I
don't often deal with. Maybe if you provide more detail, like
errors that show up in the logs or something, somebody can help.
2950 [18:52:27] <trek00> debbers: see you later! :)
2951 [18:52:49] <debbers> Thanks trek00, bye now *waves*
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2954 [18:53:19] <wuyx> No error, nothing, you know, like, there is
a circle just spinning all the time and doesn't connect to the
wifi
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2959 [18:55:00] <trek00> wuyx: to spot errors usually i open a
terminal and type: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
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2961 [18:55:19] <trek00> wuyx: then try to connect to a wireless
network and see if it prints new messages
2962 [18:55:54] <wuyx> ok, i'll be back online in a short
period
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2966 [18:58:12] <b1ack0p> is this the correct debian iso with
firmware?
replaced-url
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2969 [18:58:44] <trek00> b1ack0p: yes!
2970 [18:58:59] <trek00> b1ack0p: for 32 bit systems
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2978 [19:07:06] <wuyx> karlpinc, hey, be back online, i just paste
logs to the paste.debian.org
2979 [19:07:12] <karlpinc> b1ack0p: Most people have 64 bit
systems....
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2983 [19:08:19] <karlpinc> wuyx: You have to give us the url.
2984 [19:08:39] <wuyx>
replaced-url
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2987 [19:09:09] <b1ack0p> karlpinc: i have 32bit system :p
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2992 [19:13:00] <fuxxy> in bash, I can create a variable that
returns a version number. I can then create /another/ variable that
strips the last octect off the version from the first variable. Is
there a way to do the same thing but from a single variable?
replaced-url
2993 [19:13:58] <greycat> if you've got newver=${ver*.} right now, but you want to have only one variable, just
change it to ver=${ver *.}
2994 [19:14:24] <greycat> or %.*} or whatever it is
2995 [19:14:31] <fuxxy> so just use the same name?
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2998 [19:16:11] <trek00> wuyx: i don't understand why it
disconnect just 5 seconds after it got authenticated: "aborting
authentication with 8c:a6:df:d6:5f:de by local choice"
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3001 [19:17:39] <fuxxy> I'm looking for a single command that
will strip the last octect of the version off, that I can tack on
the initial variable. I'm not sure how to add that %.* to the
initial variable
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3005 [19:18:27] <wuyx> trek00, if you don't know, only god
knows
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3007 [19:18:45] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3009 [19:18:50] <b1ack0p> i am going to create bootable usb key
with rufus on windows. it is asking if i should write ISO image mode
(recommended) or DD image mode ?
3010 [19:19:12] <b1ack0p> which one is recommended?
3011 [19:19:41] <greycat> unicorn:~$ ver=10.2.3;
ver=foo-${ver%.*}-bar; echo "$ver"
3012 [19:19:46] <greycat> foo-10.2-bar
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3018 [19:22:27] <b1ack0p> ok i will write in iso mode
3019 [19:22:41] <b1ack0p> how much hdd capacity is enough for
debian 10.3?
3020 [19:22:45] <b1ack0p> 15?
3021 [19:22:59] <b1ack0p> i have 60gb total but i will dual boot
with windows
3022 [19:23:02] <b1ack0p> 2k
3023 [19:23:06] <b1ack0p> win2000
3024 [19:23:31] <trek00> wuyx: it may be you have networkmanager,
systemd-networkd and/or wpa_supplicant running? you need only one of
these or they will conflict each other
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3026 [19:24:24] <trek00> b1ack0p: 10gb should be enough (actually
I use only 4GB)
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3028 [19:24:38] <b1ack0p> trek00: with DE or without desktop?
3029 [19:24:38] <noway> dont forget about the swap
3030 [19:24:50] <b1ack0p> noway: it is old laptop.
3031 [19:24:53] <b1ack0p> 1.5gb ram
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3034 [19:24:59] <trek00> b1ack0p: with a minimal DE and no games
:)
3035 [19:25:03] <b1ack0p> xfce
3036 [19:25:07] <b1ack0p> 10 enough i think
3037 [19:25:11] <b1ack0p> i will just connect here :p
3038 [19:25:26] <b1ack0p> i wanna type on it here in irssi :p
3039 [19:25:28] <noway> hehe
3040 [19:25:34] <trek00> :)
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3042 [19:25:54] <b1ack0p> it is ibm thinkpad t42 with fantastic
keyboard so typing is really fun on it :p
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3044 [19:26:11] <b1ack0p> unfortunately it has QWERTZ swiss-german
keyboard.. not easy to type
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3049 [19:26:44] <b1ack0p> maybe i can stream 240p yt videos :p
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3053 [19:29:34] <trek00> wuyx: it may be a networkmanager issue,
may be you can try uninstalling it and installing wicd
3054 [19:30:04] <trek00> wuyx: but i don't really know if it
will fix your issue
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3056 [19:30:21] <wuyx> i just found a "networking"
service
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3058 [19:30:35] <wuyx> along with the network-manager
3059 [19:30:59] <trek00> wuyx: the networking service should be a
basic service, do not disable it
3060 [19:31:17] <wuyx> oh, i didn't
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3063 [19:32:05] <wuyx> does it have anything to do with the
interface's name? like mine isn't wlan0
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3066 [19:34:09] <wuyx> What's
NetworkManager-dispatcher.service?
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3068 [19:35:36] <trek00> wuyx: may be you can add
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no to your networkmanager.conf as said
here
replaced-url
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3071 [19:37:58] <wuyx> I can't even connect to the site
because international network traffic here in China is so limited
3072 [19:38:00] <fuxxy> aha, I figured out why this script is
killing my ssh console
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3079 [19:40:02] <wuyx> i guess i have to live with it, thanks
trek00 & karlpink for your help.But I have to go to
sleep....Bye!
3080 [19:40:03] <fuxxy> I should be using 'return'
instead of 'exit'
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3083 [19:41:17] <trek00> fuxxy: return is used to terminate a
function, exit will terminate the script
3084 [19:41:55] <fuxxy> the problem is, when the exit code is
triggered from the script, i get kicked off of ssh as well
3085 [19:42:20] <trek00> you can omit exit if you don't need
the exit code
3086 [19:42:24] <fuxxy> since I started the script from the ssh
connection
3087 [19:42:39] <trek00> fuxxy: how you run the script?
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3089 [19:42:42] <fuxxy> I don't want the script to continue
if the exit code is reached, that's the point
3090 [19:43:08] <fuxxy> trek00, it will eventually be ran from
cron, but I'm testing with the shell
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3092 [19:43:30] <fuxxy> . /path/to/script.sh
3093 [19:43:34] <trek00> fuxxy: if you run it with sh
scriptname.sh it's ok, if you source it not
3094 [19:43:51] <trek00> fuxxy: you should run with sh
/path/to/script.sh
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3096 [19:44:03] <fuxxy> ahh, okay
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3099 [19:46:01] <greycat> or simply /path/to/script, if you chmod
+x it, which you SHOULD.
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3105 [19:48:06] <fuxxy> so the exit code wasn't the problem,
it was a symptom. The thing is, I had a failure condition that
triggered the exit code, that wasn't accounted for
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3107 [19:48:51] <trek00> fuxxy: if you run sh -x
/path/to/script.sh you will see each command executed, just to debug
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3109 [19:49:55] <fuxxy> basically, the script was looking at a
conf file for a string, and used that string to see if a file
existed on disk. I should be instead matching the version I asked
about earlier to what's on the conf file, and THEN matching it
to a file on disk
3110 [19:51:50] <fuxxy> hmm
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3114 [19:54:07] <trek00> fuxxy: paste your script, may be we can
help :)
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3116 [19:54:26] <fuxxy> I'd need to sanitize first
3117 [19:54:26] <trek00> fuxxy: (paste on paste site, not here)
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3129 [19:58:12] <wrksx> I've got a .rar file to extract/open.
Is there a way to do that safely?
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3131 [19:58:49] <greycat> install unrar, and use it
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3133 [19:59:11] <greycat> (it's in non-free)
3134 [19:59:25] <Thorax2015> Does mxlinux not come with an archive
manager?
3135 [19:59:35] <greycat> how would we know what mx linux comes
with
3136 [19:59:42] <oerheks> Thorax2015, interesting.
3137 [19:59:50] <wrksx> lol
3138 [20:00:16] <Thorax2015> Oops haha
3139 [20:00:24] <Thorax2015> Wrong channel
3140 [20:00:26] <oerheks> Thorax2015, have you been on distrowatch
stats?
3141 [20:00:42] <Thorax2015> oerheks, Why do you ask that?
3142 [20:00:51] <wrksx> That .rar file is from an unknown source
3143 [20:01:05] <wrksx> and I'm not sure it's safe to
use unrar
3144 [20:01:09] <wrksx> is it?
3145 [20:01:17] <greycat> *plonk*
3146 [20:01:56] <wrksx> Thing is I have absolutely no idea how rar
works and I would just like to see the files.
3147 [20:02:53] <wrksx> I thought about launching unrar using the
nobody user in a directory owned by nobody. Does that make any sense
or is that stupid
3148 [20:03:18] <oerheks> unrar l List archive content/ e Extract
files to current directory. what more do you need from 'man
unrar'
3149 [20:03:22] <trek00> wrksx: it's not stupid, i've
created a user exactly for those things
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3163 [20:08:42] <ratrace> wrksx: it's a safe approach. a vuln
in unrar + crafted package = executed code
3164 [20:09:12] <wrksx> ratrace: exactly my fear
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3166 [20:09:39] <karlpinc> wrksx: I like ratrace's approach.
Make a new user. su to it to unrar.
3167 [20:09:39] <wrksx> trek00: tyx =) im not crazy
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3170 [20:10:42] <wrksx> I used sudo -u nobody untar [...] in a
folder owned by nobody
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3177 [20:14:08] <ice999> when i try to login with nginx basic auth
i get "open() "/etc/nginx/.htpasswd" failed (13:
Permission denied)", and throws 500 internal server error in
the browser; what could be the issue? it was working before
3178 [20:14:45] <greycat> "Permission denied" is really
clear. Try looking at the permissions.
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3180 [20:15:02] <greycat> (of the file *AND* the directories
leading to it)
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3184 [20:16:17] <lwp> b1ack0p, you must use the rufus DD mode, not
iso mode
3185 [20:16:20] <lwp> !rufus
3186 [20:16:20] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be
written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer
in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask
me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>,
<win32diskimager>.
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3189 [20:16:46] <jordanm> ice999: also check your audit.log if you
have SELinux enabled
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3193 [20:17:24] <b1ack0p> lwp: thanx for late response :p
3194 [20:17:33] <b1ack0p> i used iso but i can write again with dd
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3198 [20:17:57] <lwp> b1ack0p, welcome. yes, you will save
yourself lots of problems by using DD instead
3199 [20:17:59] <ice999> greycat, i set it to 777 for testing but
still
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3201 [20:18:06] <ice999> jordanm, nothing in the audit log
3202 [20:18:07] <greycat> STTOOPPPPP DOING THAT
3203 [20:18:10] <greycat> !777
3204 [20:18:10] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
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3207 [20:18:38] <greycat> Make the permissions CORRECT. Make them
what they SHOULD BE. Not what a moron would make them.
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3209 [20:19:08] <greycat> make nginx is one of the programs that
will abort if the permissions are wrong, just like ssh does
3210 [20:19:12] <greycat> maybe*
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3212 [20:20:09] <greycat> I mean, it doesn't *look* like it
based on the error message, but that's still no freaking excuse
to break your permissions even MORE.
3213 [20:20:31] <trek00> ice999: chmod 644 should be better
instead of 777
3214 [20:21:03] <ice999> alright i did that now what about the
permission error?
3215 [20:21:08] <greycat> Not on the directory, of course.
3216 [20:21:22] <greycat> You remember, when I told you to check
the directories as well as the file?
3217 [20:21:28] <greycat> You wouldn't set 644 on a
directory.
3218 [20:21:40] <trek00> yeah, 755 on directories
3219 [20:21:43] <wrksx> chmod -R 777 /
3220 [20:21:47] <wrksx> ?
3221 [20:21:47] <trek00> nooo
3222 [20:21:56] <wrksx> oh I misread =)
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3224 [20:22:11] <trek00> chmod -R is evil
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3226 [20:22:50] <annadane> !777
3227 [20:22:51] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
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3233 [20:23:32] <annadane> oh. i'm slow.
3234 [20:23:35] <fuxxy> Is there a guide somewhere for converting
a Debian system from MBR bios to EFI? (This is an ESXi VM, so
I'd like NOT to reinstall)
3235 [20:23:43] <ice999> greycat,
replaced-url
3236 [20:23:43] <annadane> scrollback exists
3237 [20:23:53] <wrksx> I never had any permission issues after
having 777ed my root
3238 [20:24:08] <annadane> because everyone is allowed to do
everything
3239 [20:24:17] <wrksx> Joking mate ;)
3240 [20:24:25] <trek00> :p
3241 [20:24:26] <greycat> ice999: ok, you see how the permissions
on "nginx" are missing the "other" bits?
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3243 [20:24:35] <annadane> i use xfce, not mate
3244 [20:24:43] <greycat> that means only the directory's
owner and group-owner can get there
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3250 [20:26:39] <ice999> thanks greycat
3251 [20:27:13] <dob1> !ftp must die
3252 [20:27:14] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
replaced-url
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3255 [20:27:38] <ratrace> ice999: instead make the file owned by
root:replaced-url
3256 [20:28:12] <trek00> yeah
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3258 [20:28:24] <greycat> it's not like http basic auth is
actually secure...
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3261 [20:29:56] <wrksx> greycat: How is it unsecure? I honestly
thought it could be okay if not used in plain http
3262 [20:30:05] <ratrace> it's just auth, the security of it
is orthogonal to the token itself
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3264 [20:30:52] <greycat> if someone's breaking into your box
to read your .htpasswd file, chances are they're breaking in as
replaced-url
3265 [20:31:10] <ice999> ratrace, i did that but still have
permission problem if o+x not there
3266 [20:31:15] <ratrace> if they break in as
replaced-url
3267 [20:31:23] <wrksx> lol
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3269 [20:31:46] <greycat> ice999: the process that wants to read
the file must have x permissions on all the directories in the path
up to the file, and r permission on the file
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3272 [20:32:26] <ratrace> ice999: what greycat said.
replaced-url
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3275 [20:33:08] <greycat> so if you want to tighten things up, you
could do "chown root:replaced-url
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3278 [20:34:39] <ocx32> hello, debian 9 comes with ffmpeg 3.2, how
can i upgrade to 3.4 please?
3279 [20:34:45] <ratrace> ice999: default on debian is root:root
and 755 on /etc/nginx tho. so someone or something changed that.
make sure it doesn't change that back again (if eg. you used
some ansible play or whatever)
3280 [20:34:49] <greycat> ,v ffmpeg
3281 [20:34:50] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- stretch:
7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; buster:
7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; bullseye:
7:4.2.2-1+b1; sid: 7:4.2.2-1+b1; stretch-multimedia:
10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.1.5-dmo1+deb10u1;
bullseye-multimedia: 10:4.2.2-dmo6; sid-multimedia: 10:4.2.2-dmo6
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3283 [20:35:22] <greycat> would 4.1.4 suffice, or does it *have*
to be 3.4?
3284 [20:35:40] <ocx32> greatgatsby yes i can do with 4.1.4
3285 [20:35:50] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
3286 [20:35:51] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
3287 [20:35:51] <ocx32> how can i install it with apt ?
3288 [20:35:57] <greycat> Upgrade to Debian 10.
3289 [20:36:06] <ocx32> i need to stay on 9
3290 [20:36:21] <wrksx> lol greycat
3291 [20:36:41] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: I thought that multimedia
repo shut down. I must be thinking of Ubuntu or something
3292 [20:36:44] <ocx32> ?
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3295 [20:36:56] <greycat> we just wish it would
3296 [20:37:11] <ocx32> i didnt understand
3297 [20:37:14] <ocx32> cant i ?
3298 [20:37:26] <wrksx> ocx32: he just said upgrade to Debian 10
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3300 [20:37:35] <ocx32> i cant
3301 [20:37:39] <wrksx> and I found this a funny answer to your
questiopn
3302 [20:38:02] <ratrace> ocx32: then backport it.
3303 [20:38:04] <ratrace> !ssb
3304 [20:38:04] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
3305 [20:38:12] <ocx32> can i use this add-apt-repository
ppa:jonathonf/ffmpeg-4
3306 [20:38:29] <ocx32> ratrace can i install that ^ ?
3307 [20:38:31] <ratrace> ocx32: this is not ubuntu
3308 [20:38:33] <sponix2ipfw> ocx32: if you are on Ubuntu
3309 [20:38:33] <greycat> You're willing to use RANDOM CRAP
REPOSITORIES FROM THE WEB but not to upgrade to the current stable
relase.
3310 [20:38:36] <greycat> what.
3311 [20:38:38] <ocx32> i am on debian
3312 [20:38:53] <wrksx> ocx32: some distros are all about install
anything whatever but not debian
3313 [20:38:57] <ocx32> i cant afford a downtime
3314 [20:39:04] <greycat> *plonk*
3315 [20:39:25] <ratrace> ocx32: ppa are for ubuntu
3316 [20:39:41] <wrksx> run ffmpeg in a container
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3318 [20:39:47] <ocx32> ratrace can you point me to some ?backport
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3321 [20:40:14] <trek00> ocx32: best thing you can do is to
compile it yourself, see the dpkg answare on backport
3322 [20:40:40] <greycat> backporting something with as many deps
as that sounds kinda nightmarish to me...
3323 [20:40:45] <ratrace> ocx32: no, you must do it yourself, see
the bot's (dpkg) response above. meanwhile, indeed a container
might save you
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3325 [20:41:11] <greycat> yes, installing Debian 10 in a chroot
might be easier than backporting ffmpeg
3326 [20:41:27] <ocx32> what if i install a .deb ffmpeg file ?
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3329 [20:42:46] <ocx32>
replaced-url
3330 [20:42:54] <ratrace> ocx32: you have only THREE solutions: 1)
upgrade to Buster. 2) use a Buster chroot/container 3) use a docker,
or a snap
replaced-url
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3332 [20:43:35] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: or 4, do the backport
3333 [20:43:47] <ratrace> apt install snapd ; snap install ffmpeg
3334 [20:44:08] <ratrace> sponix2ipfw: oh yeh
3335 [20:44:44] <ratrace> but I wrote that one out, they
don't seem to be interested in backporting themselves
3336 [20:44:53] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: I didn't know Debian 9
had snap support. The things we learn
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3338 [20:45:51] <ratrace> sponix2ipfw: the package exists, so
I'm assuming it's tested to work with 4.9 kernel
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3340 [20:46:28] <teo7> hi, i'm trying to install jitsi-meet
on debian, but i'm in an strange error with jitsi-meet-prosody
post-install. This is the error:
replaced-url
3341 [20:46:31] <ratrace> sponix2ipfw: shouldn't be an issue,
snaps are supposed to work on kernels as old as that on ubuntu 14.04
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3344 [20:47:28] <teo7> It say "The given hostname does not
exist in the config" but it didn't ask me an hostname?
3345 [20:47:32] <teo7> *.
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3347 [20:48:38] <trek00> teo7: where you got this jitsi package?
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3380 [21:08:58] <mspe> trek00:
replaced-url
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3386 [21:11:52] <d7ud90> Hi, i can't seem to access internet
on Firefox ... Chromium work fine thought ... Any idea how to fix
that please ?
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3388 [21:12:03] <fuxxy> alright, BIOS to EFI conversion finished
3389 [21:12:50] <sney> d7ud90: what does firefox say when you try?
3390 [21:13:01] <d7ud90> nothing keep loading
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3392 [21:13:20] <trek00> d7ud90: may be a proxy setting?
3393 [21:14:09] <d7ud90> No the option is on "No proxy"
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3398 [21:15:15] <sney> is there a proxy configured for chromium?
or set with http_proxy (from the installer)?
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3401 [21:16:16] <greycat> I don't know about chromium, but
google-chrome has to be started with a --proxy-server= command line
argument.
3402 [21:16:23] <NetTerminalGene> d7ud90, have you tried with new
firefox profile?
3403 [21:16:35] <d7ud90> No there isn't a proxy ... By the
way i just checked tor and it work fine (Clearnet and onion adress)
3404 [21:17:17] <NetTerminalGene> d7ud90, also check if it is on
DoH
3405 [21:17:36] <NetTerminalGene> maybe that's the problem
3406 [21:18:26] <NetTerminalGene> DNS over HTTPS feature in
firefox
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3411 [21:19:07] <d7ud90> It is in about:config ?
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3415 [21:19:25] <NetTerminalGene> oh i am on debian channel!
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3418 [21:19:35] <NetTerminalGene> d7ud90, do you use ESR firefox?
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3420 [21:20:17] <d7ud90> Yes the version 68.6.0 (Just did a
update)
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3422 [21:20:35] <NetTerminalGene> ok. forget what i said then
3423 [21:21:09] <NetTerminalGene> i switched to brave browser
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3425 [21:21:33] <d7ud90> I forget how to change firefox profile at
startup ... There was an option in about:config ?
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3427 [21:21:53] <NetTerminalGene> enter about:profiles
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3430 [21:23:22] <d7ud90> Thanks it was the problem ... With a new
profile it work
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3434 [21:25:01] <circ-user-7VFfv> Hello
3435 [21:25:16] <circ-user-7VFfv> I am getting a segmentation
fault
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3438 [21:25:22] <circ-user-7VFfv> how to debug
3439 [21:25:27] <circ-user-7VFfv> ?
3440 [21:25:34] <sney> !what
3441 [21:25:34] <dpkg> What package are you having trouble with?
What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen?
3442 [21:25:52] <circ-user-7VFfv> i custom built yuzu
3443 [21:25:55] <teo7> trek00
3444 [21:26:12] <teo7> I download it from official jisti repo
3445 [21:26:13] <greycat> then you contact the
developers/maintainers of yuzu
3446 [21:26:14] <circ-user-7VFfv>
replaced-url
3447 [21:26:25] <greycat> or file a bug report
3448 [21:26:32] <circ-user-7VFfv> fact
3449 [21:27:05] <circ-user-7VFfv> my question is how can i reveal
more info about the segmentation fault
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3451 [21:27:19] <greycat> gdb /path/to/yuzu core
3452 [21:27:21] <greycat> bt
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3459 [21:30:08] <circ-user-7VFfv> thanks
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3461 [21:30:14] <circ-user-7VFfv> will test that out
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3465 [21:30:24] <trek00> teo7: may be you downloaded a version not
suitable for debian or may be it is bugged?
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3467 [21:30:30] <d7ud90> Update : It wasn't firefox which was
the problem neither the profile it was Umatrix ...
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3469 [21:31:05] <circ-user-7VFfv> anyone using broadcom wifi
drivers?
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3472 [21:32:19] <d7ud90> Is there others people that have problem
with the addons Umatrix ?
3473 [21:32:21] <sney> teo7: jitsi's packages are wonky and
one of them has a debconf prompt that asks you for the hostname of
the *jitsi* instance, that's probably what it's referring
to, and if you are installing the packages out of order that's
why it's erroring out. Just follow their quick install doc and
it will work.
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3475 [21:33:03] <sney> !anyone
3476 [21:33:03] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3478 [21:33:11] <sney> circ-user-7VFfv and d7ud90 ^
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3501 [21:41:12] <teo7> sney: ok i'll try. thanks
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3510 [21:45:36] <d7ud90> It work ! Thought I don't know why
... (I just disable and activate some setting on Umatrix) Thanks for
the help :)
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3550 [22:08:26] <f-a> I installed Debian on a laptop (excellent
installer, as usual), everything works bar the sound, where do I
start diagnosing this?
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3558 [22:10:57] <Aebian> can someone share the thoughts on this
one? I got a Debian 10 machine, that machine is on IP 10.0.0.9. For
some strange reason it resets the SSH connection and then I
can't reach it via SSH anymore. Host ID changes and the
Certificate auth is no longer possible. Password doesn't work
as well. Only way of temp fix is to use my direct console and change
the SSHD port via the config to something different.
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3562 [22:11:03] <Aebian> Then restart, then set it back to 22
again. It does not happen with any other Debian VM in my home
network, just this one and I'm not sure whats wrong
3563 [22:12:09] <nt80> there is some IP conflict, check if some
other machine is using the same ip
3564 [22:12:56] <Aebian> my router says no one else has this IP as
it is static assigned to the mac address of that Debian box, but
I'll check again
3565 [22:13:22] <nt80> check arp with tcpdump
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3567 [22:15:45] <trek00> f-a: this should list your sound cards,
if detected: aplay -l
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3569 [22:17:16] <dvs> !alsa-checklist
3570 [22:17:16] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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3574 [22:18:49] <f-a> aaand master volume was muted, I feel silly.
thanks dvs and trek00
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3576 [22:19:12] <dvs> np
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3580 [22:23:03] <Aebian> sudo arp 10.0.0.9 lists only the debian
vm as entry, no other devices. But good catch, it seems my UPS
claims that IP for some reason
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3582 [22:23:17] <Aebian> nt80: thanks I will check my ups network
card why it is using that IP
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3584 [22:23:51] <nt80> Aebian, probably the faster check could be
trying to use a different ip first
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3586 [22:24:06] <nt80> that's prove if it's an ip
conflict or not
3587 [22:24:09] <Aebian> well I know that it will work with
another ip
3588 [22:24:20] <Aebian> I only have issues witj 10.0.0.9
3589 [22:24:28] <nt80> and then it is an ip conflict :)
3590 [22:24:41] <Aebian> and if I open up a browser I get the
login page of my UPS SNMP card instead
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3593 [22:26:32] <Aebian> yup it was the UPS
3594 [22:26:40] <Aebian> just plugged the network cable
3595 [22:26:48] <Aebian> access to the VM works again
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3604 [22:31:07] <strk> what's the easiest way to mount a
remote directory locally ?
3605 [22:31:11] <strk> mount -tnfs ?
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3608 [22:31:54] <greycat> depends on what's already set up...
if NFS is already set up, use that, otherwise you can consider sshfs
or something
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3613 [22:34:55] <strk> I've to check if nfs is setup,
probably not
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3616 [22:35:07] <strk> do you think sshfs would not be too slow
for ardour ?
3617 [22:35:26] <strk> also, should I make sure to use the SAME
absolute path on the two machines or it doesn't matter ?
3618 [22:35:36] <strk> ops, sorry, this was really meant for
#ardour
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3622 [22:37:59] <greycat> you asked for "easiest", not
fastest
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3624 [22:38:32] <strk> right, yes, I guess sshfs would do
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3631 [22:42:17] <fuxxy> I just installed oracle java_14, and
it's not listed in update-alternatives?
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3635 [22:44:18] <fuxxy> ahh, I guess 8u241 is the latest JRE. I
have no idea what I installed
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3642 [22:46:30] <LunaLovegood> Is there something to manage
processes/daemons that looks like the GNURadio companion? I want
something with hierarchical blocks and that can manage numa
node/cpu/mem affinities, and that can be used for parametereiszing
the sockets and SHM objects connecting my processes.
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3646 [22:47:57] <LunaLovegood> Or more like it could automatically
generate command arguments based on how the "blocks" are
connected.
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3653 [22:51:21] <blacer> hi every one
3654 [22:51:52] <annadane> hi every blacer
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3659 [22:54:17] <blacer> how can i set the trackpad gesture for go
back and go forward just like the mac os ones
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3669 [23:00:53] <annadane> hmm no idea, maybe look at
replaced-url
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3681 [23:07:17] <b1ack0p> i installed debian netinstal with
firmware but it couldnt find my wifi cards firmware so installation
finished with very minimal system without any DE
3682 [23:07:25] <b1ack0p> now i dont have access to internet
3683 [23:07:43] <sney> what wifi card is it?
3684 [23:07:48] <b1ack0p> is it possible to download my wifi
firmware and install it via command line inside an usb stick?
3685 [23:07:59] <b1ack0p> old wifi - intel wifi 2100 bg
3686 [23:08:09] <greycat> !listkeys 2100
3687 [23:08:11] <dpkg> Factoid search of '2100' by key
(5): rfc2100 ;; ipw2100 ;; n2100 ;; _default ipw2100 ;; #debian
ipw2100.
3688 [23:08:18] <b1ack0p> ipw2100 yes
3689 [23:08:19] <greycat> !ipw2100
3690 [23:08:19] <dpkg> ipw2100 is a Linux kernel driver supporting
the Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b device. Firmware is required,
ask me about <non-free sources> and install the
firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide.
replaced-url
3691 [23:08:40] <b1ack0p> i dont have access to internet how can i
install it?
3692 [23:08:49] <b1ack0p> installation couldnt find in the iso
3693 [23:09:01] <b1ack0p> so i finished the installation without
any connection with very minimal
3694 [23:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1555
3695 [23:09:05] <sney> download the deb from
replaced-url
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3697 [23:09:28] <openbsdtai123> I have created bsdscience.c for
science, if you want to adapt for debian and make a deb for sid, let
me know... source code is:
replaced-url
3698 [23:09:44] <b1ack0p> download stable or backports?
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3700 [23:10:02] <sney> b1ack0p: stable, to match the stable kernel
3701 [23:10:26] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @b1ack0p use ethernet cable to
connect machine to internet - hopefully ethernet works. Add non-free
sources as greycat suggested.
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3703 [23:10:59] <sney> openbsdtai123: #debian-mentors on
irc.oftc.net is a better place to ask about contributions for
debian, though you should also probably describe the what/why of
that code rather than just pasting something with no context
3704 [23:11:06] <b1ack0p> FSF-GNU-Soldier: if i could use ethernet
i would do it but i dont have access to modem now
3705 [23:11:44] <b1ack0p> ok downloaded the package now how can i
install via usb?
3706 [23:11:53] <b1ack0p>
replaced-url
3707 [23:11:57] <b1ack0p> i downloaded this only
3708 [23:12:08] <b1ack0p> is it enough?
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3710 [23:12:20] <sney> put the usb stick in your computer, mount
it, and as root or with sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
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3713 [23:12:49] <b1ack0p> let me try
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3720 [23:21:05] <b1ack0p> installed firmware but wifi led
indicator doesnt turn on
3721 [23:21:14] <b1ack0p> how can i connect to wifi?
3722 [23:21:28] <b1ack0p> on command line
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3724 [23:21:55] <b1ack0p> or can i install again debian and when
it asks about usb media to install firmware can i use the current
usb?
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3726 [23:22:30] <b1ack0p> actually firmware is inside same
installer usb key
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3729 [23:25:00] <b1ack0p> does the netinstaller finds the
firmware.deb inside the usb while detecting network?
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3732 [23:26:55] <sney> b1ack0p: after installing the firmware
package you will need to reboot
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3734 [23:27:23] <sney> the installer has a firmware directory that
contains those debs, but it'll result in the same thing as
installing the package afterwards
3735 [23:27:44] <b1ack0p> sney will it detect wifi automatically
after reboot?
3736 [23:27:51] <b1ack0p> rebooting now
3737 [23:28:05] <sney> it'll load the driver and let you use
wifi, though you'll still need to configure it
3738 [23:28:05] <b1ack0p> yea wifi light turned on but i dont know
how to connect to wifi
3739 [23:28:24] <b1ack0p> it opened on tty cli as there is no any
desktop
3740 [23:28:25] <sney>
replaced-url
3741 [23:28:42] <b1ack0p> not again
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3743 [23:28:55] <b1ack0p> that s difficult for me
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3746 [23:29:00] <b1ack0p> last time i struggled a lot
3747 [23:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1547
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3750 [23:29:28] <sney> don't get lost in the whole page. look
at only the "command line" section.
3751 [23:29:31] <b1ack0p> can i just install network manager or
something?
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3753 [23:29:45] <sney> network manager is complex and annonying on
the command line
3754 [23:30:04] <sney> this is easier. it has 3 steps.
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3756 [23:30:15] <b1ack0p> command not found
3757 [23:30:18] <b1ack0p> iwconfig
3758 [23:30:19] <sney> which
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3760 [23:30:43] <b1ack0p> iwconfig not found
3761 [23:30:50] <sney> are you root?
3762 [23:30:52] <b1ack0p> yes
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3764 [23:31:18] <sney> well, that's in wireless-tools. you
can install that package manually or just skip it, if you know your
SSID for the network all you really need to do is edit
/etc/network/interfaces
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3767 [23:34:50] <b1ack0p> sney: where will i write my essid here
>> wireless-essid [ESSID]
3768 [23:34:58] <b1ack0p> inside [ ] ?
3769 [23:35:03] <b1ack0p> or without [ ]
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3771 [23:35:09] <sney> no brackets, just the essid
3772 [23:35:13] <b1ack0p> ok
3773 [23:35:51] <b1ack0p> what is wireless-mode [MODE] ?
3774 [23:36:19] <b1ack0p> and where will i write the password?
3775 [23:36:35] <sney> actually, that is a little outdated.
I've been looking at it for so long that I didn't even
look
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3777 [23:36:50] <sney> the two fields should really be
'wpa-ssid' and 'wpa-psk'. the syntax is the
same, and the second one is the password
3778 [23:37:16] <b1ack0p> can i change that way?
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3781 [23:38:37] <b1ack0p> ok i edited that way and saved
3782 [23:38:40] <b1ack0p> now what?
3783 [23:38:41] <sney> so it should really look something like
this
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3784 [23:38:56] <sney> save, close, and 'ifup wlp4s0' or
whatever the device name is
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3786 [23:39:08] <b1ack0p> sney: yes it looks like your paste
3787 [23:39:46] <b1ack0p> it is doing something
3788 [23:40:02] <b1ack0p> DHCPDISCOVER on ....... port 67 interval
20
3789 [23:40:03] <b1ack0p> ..
3790 [23:40:03] <b1ack0p> ..
3791 [23:40:11] <b1ack0p> connecting or not?
3792 [23:40:21] <b1ack0p> or i wrote password wrong?
3793 [23:40:30] <b1ack0p> ok not
3794 [23:40:32] <sney> that's normal behavior, let it go
through the dhcp process. sometimes it takes a minute
3795 [23:40:40] <b1ack0p> No DHCPOFFERS received
3796 [23:40:50] <b1ack0p> No working leases in persistent database
- sleeping
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3800 [23:41:41] <blacer> how can i set the trackpad gesture for go
back and go forward just like the mac os ones
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3803 [23:42:36] <b1ack0p> sney:
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3805 [23:42:49] <sney> b1ack0p: you are so impatient lol
3806 [23:42:56] <b1ack0p> sorry :p
3807 [23:43:01] <sney> ok, try 'iw wlp4s0 link' and see
if you are associated
3808 [23:43:29] <b1ack0p> iw command not found
3809 [23:43:35] <sney> as root?
3810 [23:43:40] <b1ack0p> yes
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3812 [23:44:12] <sney> sigh, I wish the installer would install
wireless utilities even if it doesn't detect a wlan interface
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3815 [23:45:11] <b1ack0p> so it doesnt install any package offline
3816 [23:45:13] <sney> you know what, put the firmware deb in the
firmware/ directory in the installer usb and run the install again
3817 [23:45:13] <b1ack0p> that s bad
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3820 [23:46:13] <sney> it tries to be "smart" about what
hardware is on the machine, and doesn't install anything that
is "unnecessary" but wifi is so common now, having those
utilities be standard regardless would be better IMO. but they
don't let me make those decisions. :)
3821 [23:46:15] <b1ack0p> sney: you know what there is already
ipw2100 firmware in the usb firmware dir
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3823 [23:46:23] <b1ack0p> i dont understand why it didnt install
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3827 [23:46:53] <sney> hmmmm you're right
3828 [23:47:14] <sney> ok, go back to packages.debian.org and get
the following packages: iw, wireless-tools, wpa-supplicant
3829 [23:47:22] <b1ack0p> it says not found and if i have put usb
..etc
3830 [23:47:35] <sney> copy them to your system, install them like
you did with the firmware deb
3831 [23:47:44] <sney> then you should be able to actually control
and troubleshoot this.
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3834 [23:49:07] <b1ack0p> ok
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3841 [23:51:30] <jsync> Hey. Is it potential to use an old
Netinstaller to install an older release of Debian out of the
archives?
3842 [23:51:41] <wondiws> some time ago, I wanted to install
gitlab on my debian sid. I did not find it in sid, so I added the
gitlab repository from gitlab itself and installed that. And now I
certainly see gitlab in debian itself. Have you added a gitlab
package recently by any chance?
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3844 [23:52:02] *** Parts: alencc1986 (~alencc198@replaced-ip ) ()
3845 [23:52:06] <wondiws> jsync, I think that is possible, yes
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3848 [23:52:23] <wondiws> jsync, you can see if the packages are
still there on the http and ftp server?
3849 [23:52:27] <sney> jsync: how much older? some releases are
archived so the files are no longer where the installer is going to
look
3850 [23:52:37] <sney> ,info gitlab
3851 [23:52:38] <judd> No package named 'gitlab' was
found in buster/amd64.
3852 [23:52:46] <wondiws> sney, how about sid?
3853 [23:52:51] <sney> ,info gitlab --release sid
3854 [23:52:52] <judd> Package gitlab (contrib/net, optional) in
sid/amd64: git powered software platform to collaborate on code
(non-omnibus). Version: 12.6.8-3; Size: 85490.0k; Installed:
171617k; Homepage:
replaced-url
3855 [23:52:59] <wondiws>
replaced-url
3856 [23:53:08] <wondiws> sney, when was this added?
3857 [23:53:14] <jsync> The netinstaller doesn't use the
archive site in the list of mirrors. I want to install Wheezy 64
bit.
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3859 [23:53:33] <sney> wondiws: according to
replaced-url
3860 [23:53:55] <wondiws> sney, hmm, time flies
3861 [23:55:28] <b1ack0p> sney: it doesnt install packages because
they require other packages like libxxxx
3862 [23:55:42] <annadane> not such a great idea to install wheezy
during the coronavirus now is it?
3863 [23:55:46] <annadane> ...sorry
3864 [23:55:54] <sney> jsync: you're probably better off
installing from CD1
replaced-url
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3866 [23:56:54] <sney> b1ack0p: then download those libs too and
install them. there won't be very many.
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3868 [23:57:59] <jsync> The Netinstaller allows metapackage
installs of gnome, etc. I wanted to avoid looking for all those
components.
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3870 [23:58:23] <sney> you can get that same menu in a running
system by running 'tasksel'
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3872 [23:58:47] <jsync> The netinstaller menu?
3873 [23:59:19] <sney> the software selection menu, the one that
looks more or less like this
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3875 [23:59:48] <sney> (actual menu options vary by release) but
that's just tasksel, it isn't exclusive to the installer
at all
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