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• 3[00:03:39] <unborn> kronoks: icedove is in repos as proper replacement of thunderbird
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• 5[00:03:51] <unborn> I had no issue with efi
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• 9[00:05:44] <darkblue_b> can someone walk me through debsign ? I am working with a DD and I have two packages ready to upload
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• 11[00:06:02] <kronoks> unborn: debian recently decided to bring back firefox and thunderbird, forgetting the idiotic fued of the past. are you aware of this? this is what my question pertains to.
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• 13[00:07:10] <mutante> yea, hehe, that was such a nice surprise.. apt-get upgrade and baaam.. surprise Firefox
• 14[00:07:18] <mutante> after 10 years :)
• 15[00:07:45] <unborn> kronoks: thunderbird? where? I dont have that in my repos
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• 18[00:08:45] <unborn> kronoks: icedove and ice-weasel are basically same code with changed branding.. are you aware of this?
• 19[00:08:53] * awwal Wonders if renaming iceweasel firefox have any practical reasons...
• 20[00:09:28] <darkblue_b> brand-awareness is a Very Big Deal...
• 21[00:09:53] <darkblue_b> gpg setup help for debsign, anyone ? thx
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• 26[00:10:43] <kronoks> unborn: thunderbird is not yet in the repos. it will be soon. they are working on it. just as firefox came back. the question was when.
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• 28[00:11:13] <unborn> kronoks: they are both great peaces I like that news :)
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• 30[00:11:19] <kronoks> unborn: they are not "basically" the same. firefox displays characters correctly when forcing droid sans and other non-uniform fonts, while iceweasel dos not.
• 31[00:11:41] <kronoks> that debacle was fixed, however. not, it's time for the e-mail client.
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• 33[00:11:56] <kronoks> hadouken, shinku tetsu-puuken.
• 34[00:12:05] <kronoks> >:o
• 35[00:12:20] <jmcnaught> kronoks: replaced-url
• 36[00:12:29] <unborn> iceweasel works great for me.. I was very lucky that I switched to debian from ubuntu
• 37[00:12:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 42[00:14:30] <jmcnaught> darkblue_b: if you're working on a package for inclusion in Debian you could ask for help on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
• 43[00:14:47] <darkblue_b> hmm its a side project
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• 46[00:15:28] <darkblue_b> it is REALLY a lot of work to make this, and we have a deadline for our debian-based system
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• 49[00:15:47] <darkblue_b> its been more than four hours of solid work with the DD and my gf is looking at me mean
• 50[00:16:08] <Loeb> darkblue_b, one word. Hitaci.
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• 52[00:16:15] <Loeb> hitachi*
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• 60[00:18:45] <darkblue_b> replaced-url
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• 65[00:20:00] <darkblue_b> or, more seriously, replaced-url
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• 68[00:20:52] <neilthereildeil> does debian make and changes to the structure of /usr/src/linux directory?
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• 70[00:21:53] <neilthereildeil> or is this the same one installed by "make headers_install" in vanilla kernel?
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• 73[00:22:18] <jmcnaught> darkblue_b: is this for Debian, or Ubuntu? Also if this is not for uploading to the Debian archives, then you might not need dput
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• 75[00:22:52] <darkblue_b> I apologize profusely for any non-Debian talk, but honestly, I just need to get gpg setup
• 76[00:23:00] <darkblue_b> another channel suggestion is also welcome
• 77[00:23:30] <jmcnaught> darkblue_b: you should be asking in #ubuntu if you're doing this on Ubuntu. #debian is only for Debian, not for derivatives
• 78[00:23:33] <darkblue_b> our DD said to do this, I am trying to do that
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• 81[00:23:51] <darkblue_b> I am not going to #ubuntu thx
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• 83[00:24:12] <darkblue_b> can we skip this cul-de-sac ?
• 84[00:24:46] <kronoks> ubuntu chat is like teenagers trying to solve a problem
• 85[00:26:05] * unborn ubuntu channel is horrible and actually helpless been there 3 times past 4 years.. no help only arrogant replies.. google provide better help then ubuntus channel
• 86[00:26:12] <jmcnaught> still, coming here for Ubuntu help is off-topic. darkblue_b you may want to read the New Maintainers Guide for an overview of Debian packaging, and/or check out reprepro for hosting your local repository
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• 88[00:26:42] <darkblue_b> jmcnaught: you are mis-characterizing the situation, and I am supplying specific responses
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• 90[00:27:19] <kronoks> darkblue_b: try the arch wiki. they are the most competent linux community.
• 91[00:27:30] <unborn> darkblue_b: is that for ubuntu or debian?
• 92[00:27:34] <darkblue_b> kronoks: ok thx
• 93[00:28:21] <darkblue_b> unborn: our debian developer just walked me throuch about four hours of building two packages with some dependancy changes..
• 94[00:28:56] <darkblue_b> I want to send this work somewhere.. is it going directly to a Debian resource somewhere, no
• 95[00:29:10] <unborn> darkblue_b: cool but is that for ubuntu or debian?
• 96[00:29:32] <darkblue_b> if this is entertainment for you, sorry
• 97[00:29:38] <kronoks> lol
• 98[00:29:41] <kronoks> it is for me.
• 99[00:29:48] <unborn> darkblue_b: if for ubuntu then there is some wikis right here: replaced-url
• 100[00:29:52] <mutante> this repeats itself all day
• 101[00:30:32] <kronoks> best solution: give up computers and computing devices. become a free human again. exit the matrix.
• 102[00:30:49] <darkblue_b> ok - so this is entertainment...
• 103[00:30:56] <unborn> mutante: yeah I am actually fed up with this.. its usually like this I need help with this but they never tell you what distro they are on or what version they need to sort and why.. even if you ask them couple of times..
• 104[00:31:04] <mutante> why does everybody insist in using ubuntu
• 105[00:31:28] <kronoks> ubuntu is the easiest and most uniform to use.
• 106[00:31:39] <mutante> "easiest" but then there is no support, right
• 107[00:31:51] <kronoks> i said easiest. not simplest, or best, etc.
• 108[00:31:57] <jmcnaught> let's keep it on the topic of Debian tech support please
• 109[00:32:08] <kronoks> there is some basic support in the IRC channel and online.
• 110[00:32:16] <unborn> yeah debian
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• 112[00:32:26] <kronoks> ubuntu is a glorified debian, frozen in point in time.
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• 114[00:32:44] <darkblue_b> ugh
• 115[00:33:00] <Loeb> Anyone here familiar with kvm? Channel is dead
• 116[00:33:33] <darkblue_b> a more nuanced treatment of this situation is lost here apparently
• 117[00:33:50] <Loeb> darkblue_b, are you expecting quality conversation in irc?
• 118[00:34:02] <jmcnaught> Loeb: if you're using libvirt there's a #virt on irc.oftc.net you could try. some people using libvirt here too.
• 119[00:34:16] <unborn> Loeb: here? always
• 120[00:34:22] <Loeb> I'm honestly not even sure if I'm using libvirt or not
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• 122[00:34:33] <Loeb> Right now I'm still trying to bind my stuff to vfio-pci
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• 125[00:34:50] <darkblue_b> the gpg signing is Debian rules.. I just put massive effort into this very tedious endeaver, with the guidance of an unbelievably hard-working and somewhat difficult DD
• 126[00:34:53] <Loeb> The hdmi audio bit of my GPU is hanging the terminal when I try to unbind it
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• 128[00:35:12] <jmcnaught> darkblue_b: i suggested looking at the NMG and reprepro. from your paste it looks like you're trying to push to a PPA which is a feature not commonly used in Debian, so it would be better for you to ask in the correct channel.
• 129[00:35:20] <darkblue_b> your Debian project will benefit directly, because there is a direct equivalent in Debian - direct
• 130[00:35:25] <Loeb> Every time you say DD I keep imagining you're running dd the command
• 131[00:36:02] <darkblue_b> its an easy out to just call "ubuntu" and "go away:" and you do yourself a disservice in this case
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• 134[00:36:19] <jmcnaught> Loeb: are you running qemu from the command line? libvirt is worth a try, it's a pretty nice front end for managing hypervisors
• 135[00:36:20] <kronoks> Loeb: what would happen if, as root, you issued: "dd bs=40M if=/tmp of=/ ; sync
• 136[00:36:34] <jmcnaught> !tell darkblue_b about based on debian
• 137[00:36:39] <Loeb> kronoks, sounds like a fancy way to rm -rf /
• 138[00:36:56] <Loeb> jmcnaught, I'm not even at the point where I'm starting the VM yet
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• 140[00:36:59] <teraflops> darkblue_b: of course it is, also it's legit, and people get pissed everytime we shout it at them
• 141[00:37:01] <kronoks> who will try it out
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• 143[00:37:07] <kronoks> maybe test it on someone in #ubuntu
• 144[00:37:14] <kronoks> mwahahah!
• 145[00:37:15] <jmcnaught> kronoks: please don't suggest destructive commands on IRC
• 146[00:37:18] <Loeb> I keep getting errors related to my HDMI driver not being on the vfio-pci driver
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• 148[00:37:31] <jmcnaught> Loeb: can you make a paste of the command and error?
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• 150[00:37:43] <kronoks> have a sense of humanity.
• 151[00:37:54] <Loeb> Which error, the one when I try to start qemu or the one when I try to unbind?
• 152[00:38:09] <Loeb> The latter has no error, it hangs the terminal.
• 153[00:38:12] <unborn> darkblue_b: I asked you twice what system you running - you came back to me with some entertainment crap. How can anyone help you with your gpg setup if you not put out problem properly
• 154[00:38:15] <unborn> ?
• 155[00:38:26] <jmcnaught> kronoks: often there are new users here who could think a command was suggested for them, and they will execute it without knowing what it means. Suggesting destructive commands even as a joke isn't funny, and will get you banned.
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• 160[00:39:01] <jmcnaught> Loeb: generally provide as much info as you can
• 161[00:39:37] <Loeb> Can't copypaste, IRC not running on that computer as it gets rebooted a lot during this process
• 162[00:39:38] <kronoks> jmcnaught: obviously. consider whether we doing them a disservice by protecting people from their own ignorance, robbing them of a valuable learning experience.
• 163[00:40:04] <kronoks> good day, gentlemen.
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• 165[00:40:33] <Loeb> the unbind command is "Echo 0000:02:00.1 > /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:02:00.1/driver/unbind" as root. Not sudo, but actually root.
• 166[00:40:52] <Loeb> If I do this with 0000:02:00.0, it works. Rebinding with vfio-pci does as well.
• 167[00:41:11] <Loeb> .0 is the GPU, .1 is the audio part for audio via HDMI. Hardware device in question is a GTX 950
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• 172[00:42:45] <Loeb> There is an XML file somehwere for qemu that supposedly has "managed=yes" in it somewhere, and that is what is requiring the HDMI drivers to be enabled...
• 173[00:43:04] <Loeb> This might be related to libvirt, guess I'll go find that channel
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• 177[00:44:56] <jch> Hi.
• 178[00:45:14] <jch> on amd64, how do I find out what packages have installed things into my initramfs?
• 179[00:45:16] <jmcnaught> Loeb: the XML is probably a libvirt domain. replaced-url
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• 182[00:46:02] <putridp> Is there a way to stop atp from clearing the terminal screen when it finishes, so its output remains viewable?
• 183[00:46:03] <Loeb> I'm not sure what the name of the VM is as I haven't successfully launched the VM yet... I think.
• 184[00:46:08] <putridp> s/atp/apt
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• 187[00:47:02] <jmcnaught> Loeb: "virsh list --all" (for virsh you might also need to tell it the connection name with "--connect qemu:///system", check the man page for details
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• 191[00:47:42] <jmcnaught> putridp: it doesn't clear the screen for me. What command does this?
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• 194[00:48:41] <putridp> jmcnaught: $sudo apt install <package>
• 195[00:49:04] <Loeb> jmcnaught, doesn't return anything
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• 204[00:51:31] <jmcnaught> Loeb: libvirt isn't involved if you're launching the VM with qemu on the command line, still not sure if that's what you're doing
• 205[00:51:39] <Loeb> That is
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• 207[00:52:07] <jmcnaught> putridp: do apt-get and aptitude do this? which version of Debian is this?
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• 213[00:53:40] <putridp> jmcnaught: no, apt-get and aptitude work as usual. I'm using raspbian jessie.
• 214[00:54:47] <jmcnaught> putridp: this could be something introduced by raspbian, which is supported in #raspbian
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• 217[00:55:26] <putridp> jmcnaught: Thank you. It's helpful to know it's not expected behaviour
• 218[00:55:39] <unborn> :D
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• 226[00:59:12] <Loeb> When I try to launch it from command line, I get "error, group 18 is not viable, please ensure all devices within the immo_group are bound to their device driver
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• 229[01:00:28] <neilthereildeil> guys, whats the difference between usr/include and usr/src?
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• 238[01:02:49] <Loeb> So obvious answer, I need to get 0000:02:00.1 out of /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/18/devices/
• 239[01:02:58] <Loeb> If that is such a thing
• 240[01:03:15] <Loeb> (it has shortcuts/files/whatever for 02:00.0 and 02:00.1 right now)
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• 284[01:27:31] <controll> i am using debian 8 with KDE, i am trying to install gnome and i get this:
• 285[01:27:44] <controll> root@pc:~# apt-get install gnome
• 286[01:27:44] <controll> Package gnome is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 287[01:28:00] <controll> any ideas?
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• 289[01:28:19] <somiaj> controll: sounds like you don't have your internet sources set up
• 290[01:28:22] <somiaj> !jessie sources.list
• 291[01:28:22] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 292[01:28:34] <somiaj> controll: modify your /etc/apt/sources.list to include full internet sources
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• 294[01:28:53] <controll> ok, thanks, i will check this
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• 300[01:32:22] <controll> i already have this 3 lines in my sources list
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• 307[01:33:19] <somiaj> controll: run apt-get update
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• 309[01:34:19] <controll> omg
• 310[01:34:25] <controll> fixed!
• 311[01:34:35] <controll> i can belive that this was the solution
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• 313[01:34:45] <somiaj> you have to update the database after you make changes to your sourcse.list
• 314[01:34:45] <controll> i feel so dumb
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• 316[01:34:49] <controll> thanks!
• 317[01:34:52] <somiaj> controll: it is easy to overlook.
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• 321[01:35:42] <slystone> Ohai!
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• 324[01:35:53] <slystone> I need a little help.
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• 326[01:36:10] * simonlnu doesn't feel dumb anymore, he just laughs at his mistakes
• 327[01:36:12] <somiaj> please ask your question slystone
• 328[01:36:23] <simonlnu> just ask, it's easier
• 329[01:36:27] <slystone> I'm using Debian with an Olinuxino (a a 4Go card).
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• 331[01:36:52] <slystone> I need to make some space (root is full).
• 332[01:37:04] <slystone> I've deleted some stuff, but it's still not enough.
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• 335[01:37:13] <Loeb> how do I remove a device from "/sys/kernel/iommu_groups/18/devices/" ?
• 336[01:37:18] <slystone> What more could I do?
• 337[01:37:30] <somiaj> slystone: try this, apt-get clean (this will remove all the downlaoded .deb files that are kept as an archive)
• 338[01:37:35] <somiaj> slystone: does that clean up some space?
• 339[01:37:36] <simonlnu> apt storage full? (apt-get autoclean or clean)
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• 343[01:38:05] <somiaj> note if you want that archive, you can copy /var/cache/apt/archive/foo.deb to some other location
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• 345[01:38:21] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
• 346[01:38:36] <neilthereildeil> i am trying to install libgnutls-dev on debian, but am getting an error
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• 348[01:38:48] <slystone> Furthermore, I got rid of xserver-xorg and stuff, but there still remain some graphical interfaces (had to manually get rid of lightdm, openbox, etc.).
• 349[01:38:48] <neilthereildeil> libgnutls-dev : Depends: libgnutls-openssl27 (= 2.12.20-8+deb7u5) but 3.3.8-6+deb8u3 is to be installed
• 350[01:38:48] <neilthereildeil> Depends: libgcrypt11-dev (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
• 351[01:38:55] <neilthereildeil> any ideas how to solve this?
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• 353[01:39:09] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: why are you mixing wheezy and jessie sources/packages?
• 354[01:39:21] <slystone> somiaj: already done (and autoclean and autoremove).
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• 356[01:39:27] <simonlnu> asking for trouble
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• 358[01:39:35] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: am i? how do you know?
• 359[01:39:50] <simonlnu> he reads minds
• 360[01:39:52] <somiaj> slystone: then you'll have to manaully track down what is using the space, or maybe you just need more space in root
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• 362[01:40:03] <slystone> somiaj: /dev/root 3.7G 3.6G 0 100% /
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• 364[01:40:22] <slystone> That's why I'm here. I don't want to break stuff.
• 365[01:40:43] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: the versions that are pasted, the +deb7u5 are security updates for wheezy, while the deb8u3 are security updtes for jessie. Somehow you have a mix between jessie packages and wheezy packages on your system.
• 366[01:40:48] <slystone> Well, sometimes breaking stuff is good to learn, but I'd rather avoid mistakes.
• 367[01:40:50] <simonlnu> slystone: not a lot of room for a linux distro. is that an embedded device?
• 368[01:40:53] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
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• 370[01:41:14] <slystone> simonlnu: it runs on an Olinuxino A20.
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• 372[01:41:26] <somiaj> slystone: well du /log (is it the logs taking up space), what sort of software do you have installed? deskops/databases/etc can eat up a lot of that space fairly quickly.
• 373[01:41:33] <simonlnu> slystone: a raspi?
• 374[01:42:09] <slystone> simonlnu: no, Olinuxino A20 (but some stuff running on a raspi can actually run on that board).
• 375[01:42:16] <somiaj> slystone: have you installed any local software in /usr/local or /otp (That is outside of debian)?
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• 378[01:43:06] <slystone> My setup is very light: weechat, rtorrent, mysecureshell, lighttpd…
• 379[01:43:11] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: replaced-url
• 380[01:43:12] <somiaj> slystone: arg, 'du /var' basically /var unless you install local software will be one of the only places that will take up space that is data used by debian packages but not the software itself. Is a lot of your space being used in /var/log
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• 382[01:43:47] <somiaj> slystone: rtorrent could take up a lot of space with all of the files it shares/downloads. That is a place to check too
• 383[01:44:27] <slystone> The files downloaded went to an external disk.
• 384[01:44:36] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: see that output of you have both wheezy and jessie packages installed. This mix has caused a conflict on your system making it hard for apt to figure how to isntall things. In essence mixxing wheezy/jessie packages is why things are not installing nicely.
• 385[01:44:50] <slystone> Should I paste the return of 'du /var'?
• 386[01:44:51] <somiaj> slystone: well check that du /var command, does /var seem to be taking up a lot of space?
• 387[01:45:07] <somiaj> slystone: just the total it takes, du -h /var if you want it more human readable than just bytes
• 388[01:45:19] <slystone> ok :)
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• 390[01:46:41] <Loeb> how do I blacklist a driver on boot?
• 391[01:46:54] <Loeb> I read about it earlier but I can't find it now. I know I already have some blacklisted for the nonfree nvidia drivers
• 392[01:47:00] <slystone> somiaj: replaced-url
• 393[01:47:06] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: i think i needed packages from both because this is a dev environment
• 394[01:47:07] <Loeb> just need to try adding the audio drivers to see if it helps me rebind the HDMI audio
• 395[01:47:15] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: do you know how to fix this?
• 396[01:47:57] <slystone> Total: 290M
• 397[01:48:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1622
• 398[01:48:22] <somiaj> slystone: only 270M being used, not too bad. nothing to bad there
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• 400[01:48:39] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: my main goal is just to install libgnutls
• 401[01:49:09] <neilthereildeil> the package name is libgnutls-dev. maybe theres some other way to install?
• 402[01:49:24] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: My advise is don't mix, and fix your mixing issues and then you won't have issues like this. Otherwise you are going to have to manually track down any of the conflicts and fix them. Mixing jessie and wheezy will cause issues like this.
• 403[01:49:29] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: we don't support mixing here
• 404[01:49:31] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 405[01:49:31] <dpkg> [dont break debian] replaced-url
• 406[01:49:31] <slystone> somiaj: I wanted to upgrade to stretch.
• 407[01:49:39] <slystone> Not enough space. =)
• 408[01:50:00] <somiaj> slystone: it could just be the software you have installed is more than the space you have given.
• 409[01:50:05] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: i did that because someone here told me to add the other sources
• 410[01:50:16] <neilthereildeil> this is a requirement because i needed an older version of some other libraries
• 411[01:50:29] <slystone> Nothing is upgrade yet, so I doubt it.
• 412[01:50:30] <somiaj> slystone: you can look at dpkg -l, and see if there are packages you don't need and remove them.
• 413[01:50:47] <neilthereildeil> i needed those older versions because some code depended on those versions
• 414[01:50:58] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: then you should jsut be running wheezy.
• 415[01:51:33] <slystone> somiaj: well, I'm going to try that, cheers!
• 416[01:51:33] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: Sorry you got bad advise, we usually try to keep people from suggesting you mix binary packages from debian releases, but in this case the fix is manually tracking down the conflict and fixing it.
• 417[01:51:37] <neilthereildeil> but everyone here would tell me wheezy is old and install jessie :)
• 418[01:52:04] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: I wouldn't. wheezy is fully supported by wheezy-lts (for non-desktop systems) and is just fine to use
• 419[01:52:07] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
• 420[01:52:07] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
• 421[01:52:09] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: sorry about the difficulty
• 422[01:52:10] <Eduard_Munteanu> neilthereildeil, they even call it oldstable
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• 425[01:52:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> While stable is rather old-ish too.
• 426[01:53:18] <neilthereildeil> any way to help me get this package installed? ill try to avoid doing this again!
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• 428[01:53:46] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: The issue is you are in a state that doesn't have an easy solution. So i'm just trying to give some standard debian advise. As I said for your situation you will have to track down any depends conflict you have (the output you gave gave one conflcit) and try to manually fix it
• 429[01:54:07] <somiaj> neilthereildeil: it could be fixable, it could be not fixable. But there is no easy solution (that i know of)
• 430[01:54:14] <neilthereildeil> somiaj: could you please help with that?
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• 432[01:55:06] <somiaj> no, because it could be hours and hours of tracking down conflicts. I would suggest with that install you fully dist-upgrade to jessie, remove wheezy alltogether. Then create another wheezy install for your older stuff (or a wheezy chroot)
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• 435[01:55:23] <somiaj> or a wheezy vm
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• 437[01:55:35] <neilthereildeil> that would take a couple weeks cuz of my dev environment
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• 439[01:55:55] <slystone> somiaj: if I don't use any graphical interface, I can remove any x11* package, right?
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• 444[01:59:20] <Loeb> <Loeb> Yeah I think I have some kind of hardware issue with the HDMI audio
• 445[01:59:21] <Loeb> <Loeb> I managed to get it bound to vfio-pci by blacklisting the hda_intel_audio or whatever that driver was
• 446[01:59:21] <Loeb> <Loeb> but when I try to start the VM it hung the entire system
• 447[02:00:01] <Loeb> So, I need to find a way to start kvm without using the 0000:02:00.1 hdmi audio device
• 448[02:00:11] <neilthereildeil> can anyone else please help me install gnutls?
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• 451[02:00:55] <somiaj> slystone: there are some core x11 packages that are very small and just common libs that packages can link against that could be used with x11 or without
• 452[02:01:08] <somiaj> slystone: but for the most part yes, just realize some of the core ones (which aren't that big) may be needed
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• 454[02:02:24] <slystone> somiaj: how could I make sure to remove any graphical frontend without breaking stuff (for a command line usage)?
• 455[02:03:02] <somiaj> slystone: easy, if you try to remove a package, and it removes packages you depend on, then you'll know
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• 457[02:03:23] <somiaj> slystone: i.e. apt-get remove packagename (it will list all other packages it wants to remove, check that list first)
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• 459[02:04:02] <slystone> Well, i tried to remove all xserver-xorg packages, but for a reason I can't fathom, the rest did not follow. è_é
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• 461[02:05:01] <slystone> Maybe I should try removing x11-common and x11-utils? =)
• 462[02:05:06] <somiaj> slystone: only packages that depend on a package would get removed
• 463[02:05:19] <somiaj> slystone: x11-common I think is one of the core ones I was talking about, but x11-utils I don't hthink you'll need
• 464[02:05:39] <slystone> You don't think or you're sure? =)
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• 466[02:06:04] <somiaj> slystone: if any package you needs depends on one of those packges, you'll see it in the list of the packages you want to remove
• 467[02:06:09] <slystone> (I'm a pain, but I've learnt to double check =))
• 468[02:06:12] <somiaj> slystone: and not if you happen to remove a bit to much, you can install it later.
• 469[02:06:19] <somiaj> not=note
• 470[02:06:25] <slystone> Fair enough! ;)
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• 479[02:08:40] <somiaj> slystone: another thing that might help: dpkg -l | grep "^rc" -- lists packages that are removed but still have configuration files on your system.
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• 481[02:10:02] <slystone> Cheers! Good one! :)
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• 487[02:13:09] <slystone> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 496[02:16:20] <slystone> /dev/root 3.7G 3.4G 57M 99% / Little by little XD
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• 498[02:16:31] <somiaj> slystone: you did have a lot of x11 stuff instaled, surprised.
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• 501[02:16:49] <somiaj> slystone: those packages are all removed but contain configuration files. you can dpkg --purge each of those packages to remove their config files
• 502[02:17:11] <somiaj> slystone: disclaimer: This will remove the configs, do this only on packages you don't want to keep a backup of the configs
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• 511[02:21:56] <Loeb> uh
• 512[02:22:04] <Loeb> how do I undo the last aptitude command I commited?
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• 520[02:24:41] <somiaj> Loeb: aptitude doens't include an undo. But it does include /var/log/aptitude so you can see what it did and manually undo it.
• 521[02:24:59] <Loeb> I tried putting some openGL driver on and it nuked a bunch of stuff
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• 523[02:25:09] <Loeb> I think it's gonna break things so I gotta undo all that junk
• 524[02:25:14] <Loeb> probably a few dozen packages
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• 526[02:25:34] <somiaj> Loeb: there should be a list of all the packages it removed so you can reinstall them
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• 530[02:26:42] <slystone> Cheers! :)
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• 546[02:31:26] <Loeb> It's saying a lot of the packages can't be found somiaj
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• 550[02:32:39] <slystone> somiaj: Thanks for the help. I'm not done yet, but I should manage. :)
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• 552[02:33:20] <Loeb> holy hell it uninstalled xorg
• 553[02:33:39] <Loeb> Welp, guess I'm restarting from scratch then
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• 555[02:34:02] <SerajewelKS> does avconv have an input mode where inputs are read sequentially instead of merged together?
• 556[02:34:50] <bipul_> hi
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• 564[02:42:11] <bazhang> ,v avconf-utils
• 565[02:42:13] <judd> No package named 'avconf-utils' was found in amd64.
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• 575[02:46:34] <Sander^home> Hi. Do anyone here know how the virtualization/kernel space/userspace rings in the cpu works?
• 576[02:46:47] <Loeb> magic
• 577[02:47:01] <Sander^home> What is those rings called?
• 578[02:47:34] <monoxane> Security rings iirc
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• 581[02:47:51] <Sander^home> Is systemd in such a ring?
• 582[02:48:26] <monoxane> Protection rings, replaced-url
• 583[02:48:30] <monoxane> Dunno
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• 586[02:48:43] <monoxane> Probs in the kernel one
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• 588[02:48:55] <bipul> Hi,I am making a script that will run on debian, unfortunately my script replaced-url
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• 595[02:52:22] <Sander^home> I've had an idea for some time now (as this is what windows7 does), that there should be an own "audit ring", which makes sure the health of all other rings is good, that can audit it like a honeypot does.
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• 597[02:53:05] <Sander^home> There is 4 bits reserved for rings.
• 598[02:53:27] <Sander^home> Sorry, 2 bits, 4 rings.
• 599[02:53:28] <Sander^home> I belive.
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• 602[02:54:14] <Sander^home> Yeah, the wiki also says so.
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• 604[02:54:34] <Sander^home> Wondring if its hard to add another ring in the middle.
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• 612[02:57:11] <Sander^home> As intel have rings -1 -2 and -3 for special hardware audits. But there is no audits which goes across all rings in software.
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• 616[02:59:53] <Sander^home> Unless intel have special code for Linux in the rom, then Linux aint auditted.
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• 619[03:01:02] <Sander^home> But some how, ms. did make it work, I wish I knew more details, but I think they used the virtualization ring as an audit ring.
• 620[03:02:04] <Sander^home> In this weeks twit security now, the explains everything in a 2 hour video podcast.
• 621[03:02:10] <Sander^home> they*
• 622[03:03:40] <Sander^home> Oh well.. I guess its pretty secure theese days with the built in anti overrun protection.
• 623[03:03:52] <Sander^home> But the stack aint protected by that.
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• 640[03:14:19] <Sander^home> I wish ublock origin was built into firefox, So I could get it on ipad and iphone.
• 641[03:14:31] <Sander^home> It works very nice for security.
• 642[03:14:48] <Sander^home> Remove all ads and things you dont want.
• 643[03:14:53] <Sander^home> removes* :-)
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• 650[03:16:58] <Sander^home> Or maybe plugin support on firefox mobile edition would be enough:)
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• 652[03:17:27] <Sander^home> I'll check it up with firefox guys.
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• 654[03:17:46] <Sander^home> I think its enabled on android mobile.
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• 667[03:22:55] <Loeb> hey, someone do me a favor
• 668[03:22:59] <Loeb> run aptitude install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
• 669[03:23:11] <Loeb> don't install it unless you want to reinstall your OS
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• 671[03:23:43] <Loeb> that's the apt command I ran and it nuked about 400 packages, I had nvidia-driver installed and working with a 750ti
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• 677[03:26:46] <Sander^home> Loeb: I guess such an audit ring could report this behaviour.. But Maybe systemd cant be in that ring.
• 678[03:27:07] <Loeb> Don't look at me, I don't put taxes in my linux
• 679[03:27:07] <Sander^home> Just thinking loud here.
• 680[03:27:33] <Loeb> are you asking because of that intel management chip they found the other day that runs at ring -3 or -4 or some junk?
• 681[03:27:46] <Sander^home> Loeb, yes.
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• 683[03:28:34] <Loeb> don't think anyone here really cares about that, try the gentoo channel or something
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• 685[03:28:52] <Loeb> you wanna go for maximum tinfoil until someone actually backengineers that thing and it becomes a public issue
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• 699[03:35:45] <Sander^home> Loeb: Do you know if there is some kinda auto bug reporting in debian?
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• 703[03:36:54] <Loeb> don't look at me, I'm just switching my main OS over today
• 704[03:37:05] <Loeb> or trying to, I had a whole day's worth of work nuked by a bad apt command
• 705[03:37:12] <Loeb> now I can barely get the damn thing to reinstall
• 706[03:37:24] <Loeb> it pukes with my 750ti so I have to switch my 950 back into the main port
• 707[03:37:50] <petemc> k
• 708[03:38:42] <Loeb> Why does the installer keep trying to grab from a cd?
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• 710[03:38:43] <Sander^home> Loeb: maybe you could report it in.
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• 714[03:40:05] <Sander^home> Loeb: Have you removed the cd entry in sources.list?
• 715[03:40:19] <Loeb> why the hell would I need to do that to install from a USB drive?
• 716[03:40:28] <Loeb> Moreover why is it doing this when this is EXACTLY THE SAME THING I DID YESTERDAY
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• 720[03:44:41] <Loeb> yo ok
• 721[03:44:47] <Loeb> why does it want to use lilo instead of grub now
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• 723[03:44:50] <Loeb> WHY IS EVERYTHING DIFFERENT
• 724[03:45:18] <Sander^home> Loeb: which version of debian are you using?
• 725[03:45:34] <Loeb> 8.5
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• 728[03:45:41] <Loeb> amd64 xfce
• 729[03:45:57] <Loeb> why the hell is this entirely different from what it did yesterday
• 730[03:45:59] <Loeb> this makes no sense
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• 746[03:54:06] <Sander^home> Loeb: What diffrent did you do?
• 747[03:55:05] <Sander^home> I think it dosnt matter if you use grub or lilo.
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• 760[04:01:15] <Sander^home> Loeb: I would recommend installing from a cd anyway.
• 761[04:01:23] <Loeb> no
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• 763[04:01:25] <Loeb> that's stupid
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• 765[04:01:34] <Loeb> there's no reason a USB stick shouldn't work
• 766[04:01:47] <Loeb> it turns out dd managed to corrupt part of the image whilst writing
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• 771[04:03:31] <Sander^home> Loeb: I dont know the details, but I suspect that can be the reason why fallbacking to lilo.
• 772[04:03:47] <Loeb> no
• 773[04:03:53] <Loeb> I reimaged the usb drive and it's using grub now
• 774[04:04:48] <Sander^home> Ok, good:) Do you have a very new graphic card?
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• 778[04:06:24] <Loeb> gtx 950 has graphical errors with the live boot
• 779[04:06:27] <Loeb> er
• 780[04:06:29] <Loeb> the 750ti does
• 781[04:06:31] <Loeb> the 950 works fine
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• 783[04:08:57] <Sander^home> All I know is that specifically nvidia drivers are lagging atleast 1 years.
• 784[04:09:30] <Sander^home> Unless nvidia did listed to linus statement past years.
• 785[04:09:34] <Sander^home> listen
• 786[04:10:16] <Loeb> the newer card works better than the old one
• 787[04:10:22] <Loeb> and this is with the built in free drivers that run by default
• 788[04:10:27] <Loeb> with nvidia-drivers installed they work fine
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• 797[04:18:09] <Sander^home> Loeb: Its always nice to have a backup installation cd laying around, saves the dd hassle.
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• 801[04:20:44] <Sander^home> Loeb: I wouldnt use nvidia drivers with Linux.
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• 804[04:21:05] <Sander^home> Loeb: I would go and buy a another graphic card.
• 805[04:21:26] <Loeb> Yes I'm going to buy a whole different graphics card because some OS is acting up
• 806[04:21:28] <Loeb> that's a great idea
• 807[04:21:31] <Loeb> you're very smart
• 808[04:21:59] <Sander^home> replaced-url
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• 810[04:22:16] <Sander^home> Oh well, if it works, then I guess it dosnt matter, but I meant for next time:)
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• 814[04:24:52] <Sander^home> Linus going maniac at nvidia saying fuck you. As it breaks everything.
• 815[04:25:14] <petemc> thats pretty old
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• 817[04:25:30] <Sander^home> Ok, so its improved now?
• 818[04:26:08] <petemc> yes
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• 820[04:26:14] <Sander^home> Nice:)
• 821[04:26:44] <Jaga-Jaga> my space doesnt work so i need to assign another key for it, like right altfor example. what should i put as "command" ?
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• 823[04:27:11] <jelly> Sander^home: the context was "everything" but their ARM development at the time.
• 824[04:27:13] <jelly> was not*
• 825[04:28:56] <petemc> ?
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• 827[04:30:12] <Sander^home> jelly: I see, it blocked arm dev. But does Linux use some of the rings for the grafic drivers?
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• 834[04:38:30] <Jaga-Jaga> how do i assign "space" to my ALT_R key ?
• 835[04:39:40] <Devastator> ok, I've booted gparted, created GPT partition table on my brand new SSD, then I can use debian installer to make the partitions and after that install Windows for my dual boot? or should I create the partitions in gparted already?
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• 840[04:42:06] <Jaga-Jaga> what is the terminal command for "space"? (I want to assign it to another key)
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• 848[04:46:31] <Devastator> somiaj ping :)
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• 852[04:50:00] <quaker_> games in fullscreen seems to run slower than windowed, regardless of resolution; is this a xorg issue or driver issue? e.g. warsow <replaced-url
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• 868[05:08:24] <bipul> What does this error signify? E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)"
• 869[05:09:41] <petemc> another process running dpkg
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• 875[05:11:23] <bipul> petemc, Only one process is allowed to run? not two?
• 876[05:11:54] <petemc> not any more than one
• 877[05:12:17] <petemc> hard to keep db consistent otherwise, etc
• 878[05:12:22] <bipul> petemc, Why is that so?
• 879[05:12:47] <bipul> You mean dpkg is linked with db?
• 880[05:12:56] <petemc> yes
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• 883[05:13:54] <bipul> petemc, Do you have any link , where i can know more about it's entire architecture. How things work
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• 885[05:14:11] <petemc> debian.org
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• 887[05:15:07] <bipul> Yes.
• 888[05:15:09] <petemc> replaced-url
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• 890[05:18:12] <Loeb> Is there a way to blacklist a pci device in grub so the OS never even knows it exists?
• 891[05:18:24] <zinx> Loeb: no
• 892[05:18:35] <LambdaComplex> Loeb: what is the problem that you think that will solve?
• 893[05:18:38] <zinx> Loeb: you can tell the kernel to ignore it, though.
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• 895[05:18:51] <zinx> Loeb: and you can do that via the kernel command line.
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• 898[05:19:52] <Loeb> I'm trying to use kvm/qemu with vga passthrough. The HDMI audio device will hang the system if I try to unbind it or launch the VM with it bound to vfio-pci. But since it's in the same IOMMU group (18), KVM wants both devices on vfio in order to boot
• 899[05:20:54] <Loeb> since I can't get anyone to help me disable that requirement in KVM/Qemu/libvirt, I'm trying to just remove it from the group somehow.
• 900[05:21:17] <Loeb> So far everything I've read is to just unbind it when the kernel loads. This may or may not work, if it doesn't it'll hang on boot.
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• 904[05:25:35] <Loeb> zinx, LambdaComplex Any ideas?
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• 907[05:26:18] <petemc> tried toggling bios settings?
• 908[05:26:45] <Loeb> VT-d is enabled, not sure what else there is to toggle
• 909[05:27:12] <Loeb> Unless there is a way to disable the HDMI audio in the GPU bios
• 910[05:27:20] <Loeb> which would probably require a firmware mod, and windows to load the ROM
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• 915[05:28:45] <petemc> which gpu driver?
• 916[05:28:57] <Loeb> nvidia-drivers
• 917[05:29:03] <Loeb> I think lspci just says nvidia
• 918[05:29:03] <petemc> perhaps boot argument
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• 921[05:29:24] <Loeb> I'm running a 950 to pass and a 750ti for the host, so I can't blacklist the driver
• 922[05:30:07] <petemc> the plot thickens
• 923[05:30:29] <Loeb> I can blacklist the audio driver
• 924[05:30:37] <Loeb> that's how I got vfio-pci on the HDMI audio
• 925[05:30:46] <Loeb> but it just hung the system when I started the VM
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• 927[05:31:14] <Loeb> I actually had to hard shutdown after trying to unbind that device. It'd hang the terminal and after you shut down, it would unload everything except for one monitor and that monitor would stay black
• 928[05:31:27] <Loeb> something was still runinng, and it only happened when I had tried to unbind that device
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• 944[05:41:06] <Loeb> Can't seem to get vfio to grab either device from the stub now
• 945[05:41:12] <Loeb> but the good news is it's hooking the stub on boot now
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• 955[05:46:08] <Loeb> Progress: it doesn't hang when unbinding from pci-stub...
• 956[05:46:28] <cobalt_> Any encryption wizards about?
• 957[05:47:17] <Loeb> holy hell it worked that time
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• 960[05:49:56] <cobalt_> I was wondering if dd writing 100MB or so to the beginning of a full-disk encrypted Debian drive would render the data unreadable (at least, not able to be decrypted.)
• 961[05:50:38] <petemc> of course
• 962[05:51:04] <Loeb> I think the issue is it wasn't bound to pci-stub before I started
• 963[05:51:11] <Loeb> if you don't do that, it'll throw all kinds of fits
• 964[05:51:19] <Loeb> write this on the wall of knowledge for those who come after me
• 965[05:51:38] <cobalt_> petemc: Thanks.
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• 967[05:51:42] <cobalt_> That's good to know.
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• 1016[06:17:52] <Arch_Angel> hey i need help. How do you install Yaourt on a debian based computer. I don't know if its possible because if not i need to find a different way to install products like Steam
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• 1019[06:18:23] <simonlnu> don't need yaourt, just convert it
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• 1021[06:18:56] <Arch_Angel> yeah but where can i get steam in the repositories. it doesnt show
• 1022[06:19:30] <simonlnu> !non-free
• 1023[06:19:30] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 1024[06:20:46] <simonlnu> or add non-free like above
• 1025[06:21:47] <Arch_Angel> how do you add them?
• 1026[06:22:31] <cobalt_> I use Synaptic to add sources.
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• 1028[06:23:40] <cobalt_> Arch_Angel: But you can use the terminal with nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1029[06:23:43] <simonlnu> add non-free and contrib to your sources.list entries (i put them after main usually)
• 1030[06:23:51] <simonlnu> e.g.
• 1031[06:24:20] <simonlnu> deb replaced-url
• 1032[06:25:23] <simonlnu> you'll need to run an update after
• 1033[06:25:31] <Arch_Angel> what do i type to add them?
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• 1035[06:25:35] <simonlnu> apt-get update or using aptitude
• 1036[06:26:03] <simonlnu> look at the example i pasted
• 1037[06:26:23] <simonlnu> compare with yours
• 1038[06:26:28] <cobalt_> Arch_Angel: It's a text file, so you'd need to use an editor. Such as: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1039[06:26:41] <Arch_Angel> yeah i have nano
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• 1041[06:27:05] <Sander^home> Do anyone know how far lxc have gotten regarding conteinerization, I think openvz have the history advantage, but is docker using lxc or?
• 1042[06:27:24] <cobalt_> Or gnome-text-editor if you want a GUI.
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• 1059[06:40:24] <Sander^home> At work we used to use openvz, but consider switching to lxc.
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• 1061[06:40:48] <HSKW> hell
• 1062[06:41:17] <HSKW> i've compiled ffmpeg but when i start the binary i receive this error: ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.132: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 1063[06:41:43] <somiaj> ,v ffmpeg
• 1064[06:41:45] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-2~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.0.2-4; stretch: 7:3.0.2-4; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia:
• 1065[06:41:46] <judd> 10:3.0.2-dmo2
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• 1067[06:41:59] <somiaj> HSKW: any reason you are compling ffmpeg as opposed to using the version in jessie-backports?
• 1068[06:42:51] <HSKW> yes because the jessie not have the non free codec like fdk acc
• 1069[06:43:03] <Sander^home> HSKW: Have you followed the guide and including one and one library at a time, some might break.
• 1070[06:43:30] <HSKW> Sander^home: followed this replaced-url
• 1071[06:43:33] <somiaj> ,v fdk-acc
• 1072[06:43:34] <judd> No package named 'fdk-acc' was found in amd64.
• 1073[06:43:52] <somiaj> ,v fdk-aac
• 1074[06:43:53] <judd> No package named 'fdk-aac' was found in amd64.
• 1075[06:43:56] <Sander^home> Maybe you need to install libx264-dev?
• 1076[06:44:08] <HSKW> i've compiled all... try to install
• 1077[06:44:33] <HSKW> THANKS
• 1078[06:44:34] <HSKW> it WORK
• 1079[06:44:38] <HSKW> :))
• 1080[06:44:42] <somiaj> HSKW: looks like those codecs are avaialble in nonfree in the packages libfdk-aac0
• 1081[06:44:46] <somiaj> ,v libfdk-aac0
• 1082[06:44:47] <judd> Package: libfdk-aac0 on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.1.1-dmo1; sid/non-free: 0.1.3+20140816-2; jessie/non-free: 0.1.3+20140816-2; stretch/non-free: 0.1.3+20140816-2
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• 1087[06:46:30] <HSKW> somiaj: how i can add this on apt-get?
• 1088[06:47:40] <somiaj> !non-free
• 1089[06:47:40] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 1090[06:47:57] <somiaj> HSKW: you will have to add the non-free to your sources
• 1091[06:48:02] <somiaj> !non-free sources
• 1092[06:48:03] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 1093[06:48:19] <somiaj> HSKW: and you'll have to add jessie-backports to your sources to get the ffmpeg from jessie-backports (jessie just has libav)
• 1094[06:48:22] <somiaj> !jessie-backports
• 1095[06:48:23] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb replaced-url
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• 1100[06:50:28] <HSKW> somiaj: i use wheezy
• 1101[06:50:41] <HSKW> 4.7.2
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• 1106[06:54:50] <somiaj> HSKW: you might want to consider upgrading to jessie if using a desktop, as wheezy-lts only really supports server software.
• 1107[06:55:03] <somiaj> HSKW: but yes my suggestions won't work in wheezy
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• 1116[06:59:47] <HSKW> somiaj: i user on server
• 1117[06:59:53] <HSKW> *use
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• 1119[07:00:18] <HSKW> somiaj: solved with manual compiling... and the tips to install libx264-dev !!
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• 1123[07:02:08] <HSKW> infact ffmpeg is special for server-side
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• 1125[07:03:32] <somiaj> Anyways you got it to work, I was just pointing out that software is now available in jessie. Maybe for future knowledge when you move to jessie
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• 1137[07:09:30] <Sander^home> HSKW: It didnt use to be very easy to compile ffmpeg from scratch, I think they would appriciate debian related feedback if documentation, but for some of those libraries, you cant turn on all functinality in the compile args, depending on which libraries you need to have. I remember it took a week of finding out which libraries was broken and not when I tried ages ago.
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• 1139[07:10:31] <Sander^home> But its easy when you know which libs to compile in ahead.
• 1140[07:10:53] <Sander^home> I prefer as many libs as possible.
• 1141[07:11:07] <Sander^home> For best functionality.
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• 1184[07:37:20] <wsky> W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
• 1185[07:37:21] <wsky> 1397BC53640DB551
• 1186[07:37:29] <wsky> what should i do with that, what changed
• 1187[07:37:31] <wsky> ?
• 1188[07:38:01] <wsky> it's on debian jessie
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• 1192[07:39:55] <SerajewelKS> wsky: you are using a third-party repo. i assume the google chrome repo.
• 1193[07:40:07] <wsky> let me check
• 1194[07:40:46] <SerajewelKS> wsky: basically you don't have the signing key added using apt-key, so apt can't verify that the repo contents are valid
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• 1197[07:43:58] <wsky> SerajewelKS: thank you, it was actually the google-earth repository but also google
• 1198[07:44:01] <wsky> thanks
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• 1225[08:12:48] <placko> I am using blackbox wm
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• 1230[08:19:40] <somiaj> placko: I see a package called 'big-cursor'
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• 1257[08:40:45] <uruk7> hello can you help me -> ffmpeg -i "input.mp4"* -s '640x360' -b '350k' -ab '90k' -strict experimental "output.mp4" and then the error is ->The encoder 'aac' is experimental but experimental codecs are not enabled, add '-strict -2' if you want to use it
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• 1324[09:33:08] <placko> thanks somiaj, i installed big-cursor. now i am going to reboot computer to see how it works
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• 1431[10:44:25] <Krigsforbryter> Hello, my server have got a load on 3.8 and i cant find any reason for that. When i try to test my disk with "hdparm -tT /dev/md2" (same with sda1 and sdb1) its output the device name and hang and not reacting on ctrl+c. /proc/mdstat says nothings is wrong, smart says nothing is wrong. help :(
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• 1434[10:46:12] <brimonk> Krigsforbryter: Is your RAM full? Or rather, is /run or any other tmpfs full?
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• 1436[10:46:36] <Krigsforbryter> brimonk: No, 28Gb free
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• 1439[10:48:10] <Krigsforbryter> brimonk: no mounts is full. /run have 1% use
• 1440[10:50:03] <brimonk> If you have iotop installed, you could try to run that and see what specifically is hogging the disk.
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• 1443[10:52:07] <Krigsforbryter> its upto 500K/s total diskwrite, mostly less
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• 1445[10:53:45] <brimonk> Krigsforbryter: Is there some sort of verbosity mode that you can check out? Did you check dmesg for errors?
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• 1447[10:54:05] <brimonk> 1/
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• 1452[10:56:33] <Krigsforbryter> no errors in dmesg, only a bad checksum on a UDP package the last month
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• 1455[10:59:00] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, try vmstat -S M 1 4 and pick two lines with numbers from it for me
• 1456[10:59:52] <Krigsforbryter> replaced-url
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• 1459[11:03:31] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, ok. wildshot, I don't see anything wrong. Did you do some operations with filesystems recently on some storage that errored out on IO or something?
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• 1463[11:05:09] <Krigsforbryter> No, only change i have done the last month is add one domain to my vhost file in nginx and start a TeamSpeak3 server. And cant see that make a change
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• 1465[11:05:19] <up2late> anyone awake?
• 1466[11:05:27] <Krigsforbryter> I have try to stop the TS3 server without that help
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• 1468[11:05:57] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, second is what is the usual load you see? how many "cores" you have(if you have one skip next questions)? Did "top -d 1" or "htop -d 10" tell you what is using CPU most?
• 1469[11:06:07] <up2late> yay! can someone point me towards a img file for a debian install (similiar to the way bsd installer works) ?
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• 1471[11:06:27] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, if you use ts3server check updates and update?
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• 1473[11:06:40] <brimonk> up2late: Is it like, an installer from the net?
• 1474[11:06:49] <brimonk> up2late: Or is everything packaged alltogether?
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• 1476[11:06:58] <up2late> im trying to intall via a usb
• 1477[11:07:10] <brimonk> up2late: Do you have a connection to the internet?
• 1478[11:07:13] <up2late> but my bios only recognizes img wrote fiels
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• 1481[11:07:37] <up2late> *files
• 1482[11:07:41] <brimonk> up2late: ... It sounds like you're writing the images to the usb wrong.
• 1483[11:07:42] <Krigsforbryter> TomasCZ: I have stoped the ts3 server, and it not help. I'am not running the TS3 server now
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• 1485[11:08:39] <Krigsforbryter> TomasCZ: replaced-url
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• 1495[11:11:02] <Felishia> help
• 1496[11:11:04] <Felishia> debian is dead
• 1497[11:11:11] <Felishia> I can't do a wget
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• 1499[11:11:32] <Felishia> it doesn't work it says `Resolving ipinfo.io (ipinfo.io)... failed: Name or service not known.`
• 1500[11:11:39] <Felishia> `wget: unable to resolve host address 'ipinfo.io'`
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• 1502[11:12:33] <Krigsforbryter> Felishia: try another url on wget?
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• 1504[11:13:04] <alternate_nick> curl ipinfo.io
• 1505[11:13:21] <alternate_nick> curl ip-addr.tk
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• 1507[11:13:34] <TomasCZ> Felishia, check your DNS servers are reachable, and inspect /etc/resolv.conf
• 1508[11:13:35] <Felishia> Krigsforbryter, none of them work
• 1509[11:13:52] <Felishia> what changed resolv.cong?
• 1510[11:13:58] <Krigsforbryter> ok, then the DNS settings is your problem
• 1511[11:14:07] <Felishia> not even an ip works
• 1512[11:14:14] <Felishia> I can't even ping outside the network
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• 1514[11:14:31] <TomasCZ> Felishia, idk, I'm not NSA support to know your server
• 1515[11:14:36] <Felishia> 102 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 101807ms
• 1516[11:14:51] <Felishia> it's just a plain debian install
• 1517[11:15:08] <TomasCZ> Felishia, firewall? cable dead? at this point we don't even know where your problems are
• 1518[11:15:27] <Felishia> it was working until I ran sudo sysctl -p
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• 1520[11:15:32] <TomasCZ> Felishia, is your network interface even up?
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• 1522[11:15:44] <TomasCZ> aha
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• 1528[11:18:14] <TomasCZ> Felishia, did you changed anything in configuration for sysctl? what was it?
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• 1532[11:19:21] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, any networked filesystems?
• 1533[11:19:52] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, did you try that top or htop? and observed it for few seconds? Are you running squid proxy?
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• 1536[11:20:31] <Felishia> TomasCZ, yes I disabled ipv6
• 1537[11:20:37] <Felishia> but then I enabled it again
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• 1540[11:20:41] <Felishia> and nothing works this time
• 1541[11:21:08] <Felishia> #net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 #net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1 #net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1
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• 1543[11:21:15] <Felishia> now they are commented out
• 1544[11:21:20] <Felishia> it doesn't work at all
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• 1546[11:21:53] <TomasCZ> Felishia, are we talking about a box without IPv4 ?
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• 1548[11:22:00] <Felishia> no
• 1549[11:22:10] <Felishia> it has ipv4
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• 1551[11:22:18] <TomasCZ> Felishia, ie: VPS with only ipv6 IP to the WAN
• 1552[11:22:23] <Felishia> no
• 1553[11:22:29] <Felishia> it's a fresh debian install
• 1554[11:22:35] <Felishia> I did that configuration...
• 1555[11:22:38] <Krigsforbryter> TomasCZ: no, only a md raid and a memdisk, no squid proxy. I cant see any problem in top, htop or glances
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• 1557[11:24:21] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, well the only reasons I've asked on those filesystems and IO errors is that it sometimes happened to me and consequence of it was constantly higher cpu load avg most likely because system was unable to write something(hence is waiting for some device no longer present for example)
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• 1559[11:24:53] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, but that is just a theory. I've experienced it few times though.
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• 1561[11:25:31] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, try sync ?
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• 1563[11:25:58] <Krigsforbryter> just the command "sync"? No parameters?
• 1564[11:26:08] <TomasCZ> yop
• 1565[11:26:33] <Krigsforbryter> shuld that take long time?
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• 1568[11:26:53] <TomasCZ> Felishia, any errors when you ran sysctl -p in logs? ie: sudo tail -F /var/log/messages
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• 1570[11:27:40] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, usually not. but it might move us with logfiles towards what the problem might be caused by
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• 1574[11:28:30] <Krigsforbryter> TomasCZ: I start it and i got no output from it, and its not reacting on ctrl+c. like hdparm -tT
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• 1577[11:29:04] <TomasCZ> Krigsforbryter, or yea a processes that are "hanging" for long time... Open another prompt and tail -F /var/logs/messages ....you can thing of interesting.
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• 1579[11:30:48] <Krigsforbryter> TomasCZ: the newest message there is 5hours old
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• 1585[11:33:46] <whooo> i installed
• 1586[11:33:58] <whooo> debian but i can only see
• 1587[11:34:14] <whooo> black screen asking usename and password
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• 1591[11:34:39] <whooo> even after entering password I cannot see gnome desktop
• 1592[11:34:54] <whooo> anyone can help meto use gaphic desktop
• 1593[11:35:05] <Felishia> TomasCZ, Jun 26 09:27:51 debian kernel: [309534.045754] sysctl: The scan_unevictable_pages sysctl/node-interface has been disabled for lack of a legitimate use case. If you have one, please send an email to linux-mm@kvack.org
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• 1595[11:35:22] <whooo> hello
• 1596[11:35:29] <TomTomTosch> whooo: okay short-winded friend, is gnome installed at all?
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• 1598[11:35:49] <whooo> i am new to debian , i think i skipped that part
• 1599[11:36:00] <whooo> @ tomtomtosch
• 1600[11:36:27] <TomTomTosch> whooo: dpkg -l gnome should say ii if gnome is installed
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• 1602[11:37:24] <whooo> :) yep no gnome @ TomTomTosch
• 1603[11:37:34] <whooo> how can i install it ?
• 1604[11:37:46] <TomTomTosch> whooo: then as root: apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
• 1605[11:37:53] <whooo> i was using ubuntu , I have no idea about debian !
• 1606[11:38:04] <TomasCZ> Felishia, can't you reboot the box? is it virtual or physical machine?
• 1607[11:38:21] <Felishia> physical
• 1608[11:38:36] <TomTomTosch> whooo: do you have an internet connection?
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• 1610[11:38:58] <whooo> yeah I have . it says command not found
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• 1614[11:39:17] <Felishia> TomasCZ, how do I reboot it from console?
• 1615[11:39:33] <TomasCZ> whooo, you do realize that ubuntu is kind of based on debian? Just find how to get gnome.
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• 1617[11:39:53] <TomasCZ> Felishia, that's easy either infamous ctrl-alt-del or type shutdown -r now
• 1618[11:39:59] <TomTomTosch> whooo: paste the command and output to paste.debian.net please
• 1619[11:40:00] <whooo> TomTomTosch : why it says command not found
• 1620[11:40:15] <polyzen> WHOOHA
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• 1622[11:40:52] <polyzen> when you step up in the place, you better step correct WHOOHA
• 1623[11:41:09] <polyzen> whooo, because the command cannot be found
• 1624[11:41:10] <Felishia> TomasCZ, none of them worked... apparently the commands are hidden in /sbin/
• 1625[11:41:10] <TomTomTosch> whooo: which debian release are you using?
• 1626[11:41:33] <whooo> latest debian 8
• 1627[11:41:37] <TomasCZ> Felishia, sorry obviously run the command with sudo in front
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• 1629[11:42:13] <Felishia> okay it works again
• 1630[11:42:20] <TomasCZ> Felishia, that's just me automatically having root shell open too.
• 1631[11:42:22] <Felishia> TomasCZ, yeah it just took me a while to find
• 1632[11:42:24] <whooo> I am running it on Vmware worskstaion 12
• 1633[11:42:37] <Felishia> so can I just start openvpn now? and disable ipv6
• 1634[11:42:41] <TomTomTosch> whooo: so just typing apt-get says command not found?
• 1635[11:42:44] <Felishia> or will it just fail again?
• 1636[11:43:02] <TomasCZ> Felishia, what are you tryin to achieve?
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• 1638[11:43:15] <TomTomTosch> whooo: or /usr/bin/apt-get
• 1639[11:43:46] <Felishia> TomasCZ, yes it just died again
• 1640[11:43:51] <whooo> TomTomTosch : no apt-get works fine
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• 1642[11:43:54] <Felishia> TomasCZ, use opnvpn
• 1643[11:44:12] <Felishia> but I can't because every time I disable ipv6 the whole internet dies
• 1644[11:44:34] <TomTomTosch> whooo: so apt-get install task-gnome-desktop it can't say command not found if apt-get works for you.
• 1645[11:44:48] <whooo> and when type apt-get install it asks am i root ?
• 1646[11:45:02] <whooo> are you root ? message
• 1647[11:45:03] <Felishia> so my system doesn't allow me to disable ipv6?
• 1648[11:45:03] <TomTomTosch> whooo: i said earlier, you need to be root.
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• 1652[11:45:10] <Felishia> great
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• 1654[11:45:29] <whooo> TomTomTosch : how can i root it
• 1655[11:45:54] <TomTomTosch> whooo: just type su and your password.
• 1656[11:46:01] <whooo> k
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• 1659[11:47:16] <Felishia> okay so it's no posible to disable ipv6 in debian
• 1660[11:47:36] <Felishia> because that means that the whole network interface is diabled
• 1661[11:47:54] <simbalion> Hi, I've got a server running jessie 8.5 and none of the bash startup files are loading for a user account..
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• 1665[11:48:58] <whooo> TomTomTosch : root worked well
• 1666[11:49:17] <whooo> now it says unable to finf
• 1667[11:49:35] <whooo> unable to locate package
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• 1669[11:50:20] <whooo> does that mean debian is not connected with internet
• 1670[11:50:29] <TomTomTosch> whooo: check if you can ping google.com
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• 1817[12:49:59] <HaMsTeRs> good day everyone
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• 1873[13:20:33] <MisterGadfly> Why aren't the Jetbrains IDEs in the repos?
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• 1877[13:22:04] <TomasCZ> simbalion, Are you positive you are using bash as your default shell?
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• 1881[13:23:04] <TomasCZ> simbalion, type bash and enter
• 1882[13:23:21] <SerajewelKS> MisterGadfly: because they are not DFSG-free
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• 1884[13:23:41] <MisterGadfly> Darn it
• 1885[13:23:43] <SerajewelKS> AFAICT they're not even freeware
• 1886[13:23:48] <SerajewelKS> you need to purchase a license
• 1887[13:24:13] <MisterGadfly> SerajewelKS: Idea CE is
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• 1890[13:25:47] <SerajewelKS> MisterGadfly: then it *might* be eligible to be packaged in the nonfree section
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• 1893[13:26:55] <TomTomTosch> the CE is compatible with DFSG, having the Apache 2.0 license, but as they get updated frequently and it's easy enough to get it from jetbrains directly probably nobody bothered.
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• 1905[13:37:40] <MisterGadfly> Where should I put software that I can't find in the repos? /opt?
• 1906[13:37:58] <MisterGadfly> And for security purposes, should I make it owned by root?
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• 1909[13:39:38] <TomTomTosch> i usually put it in /usr/local/bin and owned by my user.
• 1910[13:40:29] <MisterGadfly> Oh, moving the directories made them root.
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• 1912[13:40:36] <MisterGadfly> So no need to make them
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• 1938[13:52:06] <HSKW> on debian what is the correct /home/yourusername path? replaced-url
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• 1941[13:54:16] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: how did you install ffmpeg? if you got it from a debian repo you don't need to give the full path.
• 1942[13:54:42] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: i cant use debian repo because need special fuction on ffmpeg.. and i must compile it
• 1943[13:54:55] <HSKW> btw... the guide install ffmpeg on special /bin...
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• 1946[13:55:08] <HSKW> what is the correct path to use with bash script?
• 1947[13:55:09] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: then the correct path is to whereever you put ffmpeg
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• 1949[13:55:30] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: ~/bin ?
• 1950[13:55:36] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: how should we know where you put ffmpeg after compiling?
• 1951[13:55:43] <HSKW> see the guide...
• 1952[13:55:46] <HSKW> ~/bin
• 1953[13:56:02] <TomTomTosch> again, if you put it there, yes.
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• 1956[13:56:38] <HSKW> some application cant execute on this strange path... ~
• 1957[13:57:06] <HSKW> i would know if is it possible to move it on standard /usr/bin or other normal path
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• 1961[13:58:01] <TomTomTosch> move the binary to /usr/local/bin if you feel like, it shouldn't make a difference.
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• 1964[14:00:13] <TomTomTosch> if you put the binary in a place that is in echo "$PATH" you don't need to give the full path every time you call it.
• 1965[14:01:19] <TomTomTosch> /usr/local/bin is usually the place where one puts compiled stuff, the package manager does not touch that dir.
• 1966[14:01:40] <HSKW> ok better use $path...
• 1967[14:02:08] <HSKW> well if i launh "ffmpeg" without the full path it start
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• 1970[14:02:43] <HSKW> but it start ever if i recall only "ffmpeg" on an program like nginx?
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• 1973[14:03:31] <HSKW> on some guide all exec ffmpeg with full path: /usr/bin/ffmpeg... i dont know if i write only ffmpeg on nginx it execute... i cant debug them
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• 1976[14:04:09] <TomTomTosch> type 'which git' and see what the full path is.
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• 1981[14:06:56] <TomTomTosch> i'm not sure how whatever language you use with nginx invoces the shell. it might be that PATH is not fully given, in which case it shouldn't be too hard to just give the full path to the binary.
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• 1983[14:07:26] <HSKW> this is an example
• 1984[14:07:29] <HSKW> replaced-url
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• 1986[14:07:37] <simbalion> TomasCZ: I got it thanks :)
• 1987[14:07:47] <HSKW> look on rtmp.. exec ffmpeg -i
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• 1991[14:08:19] <HSKW> he invoke ffmpeg from this module... but for me dont work.. but if i invoke on bash all work
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• 1994[14:08:57] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: then give the full path, or look into the nginx logs and see if it shows some errors.
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• 2001[14:11:55] <TomTomTosch> ^ 'which ffmpeg' it is obviously, not git.
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• 2005[14:13:04] <TomTomTosch> there is also the #nginx channel.
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• 2013[14:16:18] <jelly> ,v ffmpeg
• 2014[14:16:19] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-2~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.0.2-4; stretch: 7:3.0.2-4; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia:
• 2015[14:16:20] <judd> 10:3.0.2-dmo2
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• 2017[14:16:37] <jelly> oh, it's not present in jessie at all, only in backports
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• 2021[14:22:06] <HSKW> thankss
• 2022[14:22:22] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: found /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg
• 2023[14:22:23] <HSKW> :DD
• 2024[14:22:39] <Devastator> I'm trying to install Debian and Windows 10 in dual boot on an SSD. I was told to create a GPT partition and then install them, am I correct to assume I just need to create GPT partition TABLE and leave the partition creation for the installers itself?
• 2025[14:23:46] <Goonzu> Devastator: create the partitions you want first then install windows 10 first then debian.
• 2026[14:24:47] <Devastator> Goonzu I've booted gparted, do you mean I need to create every partition in gparted, not just the table?
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• 2030[14:27:44] <Goonzu> Devastator: oh I see, yeah create the GPT table and the partitions then install ur os's but I guess it would be simpler to create these partition during windows 10 installation let windows do its "funny businees" then leave enough space for your debian partition
• 2031[14:28:33] <Devastator> Goonzu well, let's try
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• 2036[14:32:45] <Lionyx> Hello! Does anybody knows a "mutt for calendar integration with gmail cal"? I mean, a textbased software that can sincronyze with google calendar.
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• 2039[14:34:11] <polyzen> khal or calcurse probably
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• 2043[14:36:25] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: how i can watch the nginx error log?
• 2044[14:37:41] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: tail -f -r 500 /var/log/whateverthenginxlogis
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• 2050[14:38:39] <Lionyx> polyzen: tks. also found this one replaced-url
• 2051[14:38:50] <polyzen> lol how could I forget that
• 2052[14:39:06] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: oops, that's -n 500 not -r 500
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• 2054[14:39:16] <HSKW> ok TomTomTosch: ok
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• 2061[14:42:06] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: wow some strange shit in the log!!! WOW
• 2062[14:42:51] <HSKW> xmlrpc!!!
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• 2069[14:47:36] <Devastator> I wish there was a debian netinst installer with kernel from backports.. but I guess there isn't one..
• 2070[14:48:44] <Joost> I've just upgraded to the 4.6 kernel in backports.. and now I'm getting a flickering LCD screen
• 2071[14:48:54] <Joost> i.e. this bug replaced-url
• 2072[14:49:03] <Joost> any suggestions on how to proceed?
• 2073[14:49:40] <Devastator> any reason to use the kernel from backports?
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• 2075[14:50:02] <abrotman> Devastator: you can create one if you have free time
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• 2079[14:52:08] <Devastator> abrotman what do you recommend? 1- install debian from DVD-1 and download kernel from backports on another machine or 2- create a custom netinst with kernel from backports? I'm assuming I will need more things from backports along with the kernel, no?
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• 2081[14:52:36] <Joost> Devastator: newer drivers for new hardware was the initial reason
• 2082[14:53:11] <Devastator> Joost were the old drivers buggy or something?
• 2083[14:53:29] <abrotman> Devastator: depends how many times you'll use it
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• 2086[14:53:50] <Devastator> abrotman maybe once hehe
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• 2088[14:54:08] <Joost> Devastator: yeah, but not this bad
• 2089[14:54:13] <Joost> Devastator: is there a way back?
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• 2095[14:55:32] <Devastator> Joost well, assuming you didn't remove the default kernel, you just reboot and choose advanced options, then you can select the old kernel, as a matter of fact you shouldn't need advanced options at all
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• 2112[14:58:02] <Devastator> abrotman is this the right wiki? replaced-url
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• 2118[15:00:34] <abrotman> That's one, yes
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• 2137[15:03:42] <Devastator> abrotman can I check #debian-installer @ oftc or I should not bother them?
• 2138[15:03:57] <abrotman> you can
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• 2144[15:07:22] <Devastator> abrotman also, do you happen to know from where judd get its data when you use ,pciid?
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• 2147[15:08:37] <TomTomTosch> Devastator: iirc judd is just an interface to: replaced-url
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• 2152[15:09:50] <Devastator> TomTomTosch interesting, thanks!
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• 2154[15:11:08] <TomTomTosch> Devastator: here are more details about the pciid command: replaced-url
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• 2158[15:14:02] <Devastator> TomTomTosch even better, I just didn't understand the modules.pcimap
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• 2166[15:19:39] <smoutz> Why debian chose systemd ?
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• 2169[15:20:36] <TomTomTosch> Devastator: tbh, i think that part is outdated since jessie. not sure about that.
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• 2172[15:21:05] <mayhew> smoutz: replaced-url
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• 2175[15:21:34] <Devastator> TomTomTosch thank you, I thought about giving some feedback on that, but I don't think it worth heheh
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• 2179[15:24:48] <abrotman> Devastator: the drivers themselves probably
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• 2181[15:24:52] <smoutz> Why debian doesn't want to comply with the fsf guidelines for free software distros ?
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• 2184[15:26:10] <Devastator> abrotman I see, it seems to check modules.pcimap in jessie-backports as well, the driver for my ethernet card is there, yet ,pciid gives a bogus result..
• 2185[15:26:16] <edwinpaixao> bom dia senhores
• 2186[15:26:37] <neskau> bom dia!
• 2187[15:26:47] <edwinpaixao> como estão?
• 2188[15:26:47] <TomTomTosch> smoutz: you can read the debian free software guidelines in the social contract replaced-url
• 2189[15:26:48] <Devastator> abrotman I just thought about reporting it to someone, but as somiaj_ said, I should just move on hehe
• 2190[15:26:56] <Devastator> edwinpaixao english only
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• 2192[15:27:34] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: found all logs... but a question: there are max size log or are till space over?
• 2193[15:27:34] <smoutz> TomTomTosch: That doesn't answer my question. My question is why they keep having non-free repos and thus as a result not having fsf endorsement
• 2194[15:27:52] <markybob> because it's fucking useful sometimes
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• 2196[15:28:43] <smoutz> markybob: are you answering to me ?
• 2197[15:28:47] <markybob> yes
• 2198[15:28:56] <TomTomTosch> smoutz: because debian wants to give the user the choice to use non-free software if they wish to. free software is the defaul though.
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• 2202[15:29:31] <smoutz> Right
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• 2204[15:29:42] <markybob> non-free firmware is essential for an awful lot of machines, for example
• 2205[15:30:00] <sypher> I don't give a damn about FSF endorsement. I care about function. I'm sure many Debian users and maintainers agree.
• 2206[15:30:10] <HSKW> smoutz: like me.. i need codec like libaac lamemp3... this is not GPL compilat and you must compile it from scratch
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• 2208[15:30:20] <smoutz> HSKW yeah
• 2209[15:30:38] <TomTomTosch> and so everyone can devide if they want to go the free route or not. yay, choice.
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• 2211[15:31:00] <TomTomTosch> s/devide/decide damn fat fingers.
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• 2213[15:31:22] <markybob> TomTomTosch: you're fired :P
• 2214[15:31:27] <HSKW> TomTomTosch: my prof. said: GPL is like a virus.. if u use it code from GPL lic. you must "infect" all your code with GPL lic
• 2215[15:31:35] <TomTomTosch> markybob: do i get a payout?
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• 2217[15:32:16] <HSKW> smoutz: my prof. said: GPL is like a virus.. if u use any code from GPL lic source. you must "infect" all your code with GPL lic
• 2218[15:32:18] <HSKW> :D
• 2219[15:32:23] <mayhew> I think Debian takes the best practical stance. Use `main` only if you care about using an entirely FSF-compliant distro. Contrib and non-free are much appreciated coming from Fedora where you have to add "third party" stuff like RPMFusion which is honestly a mess compared to Debian.
• 2220[15:32:26] <markybob> your professor is a moron
• 2221[15:32:52] <HSKW> markybob: i know :d
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• 2226[15:33:44] <HSKW> If we are here it is only thanks GPL GNU
• 2227[15:33:54] <hicksd> next time he says that, point out that amazon use it perfectly well without opening up the code for their kindles beyond the base layer kernel changes.
• 2228[15:34:27] <hicksd> and that he's over simplfying things :)
• 2229[15:34:35] <HSKW> but... any help with nginx log... on debian all log on /var/log are cleaned after reboot? or still remain till space over?
• 2230[15:35:25] <markybob> so they're not "cleaned" if you mean deleted. they're rotated
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• 2232[15:35:29] <TomTomTosch> HSKW: the -n option limits the number of lines. leave it out and tail will display the whole file.
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• 2234[15:36:01] <smoutz> Could Debian do more to become more user friendly than Ubuntu ?
• 2235[15:36:09] <HSKW> rotated? well all log not fill all my hdd space?
• 2236[15:36:19] <sypher> If ubuntu is considered user-friendly, then no thank you.
• 2237[15:36:22] <markybob> that does happen sometimes
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• 2239[15:37:02] <HSKW> markybob: i use nginx log, the friends tomtomtosch asked me how to watch but are a lot of line... i suppose that some day this log eat all my hdd space
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• 2241[15:37:20] <sypher> HSKW: How long rotated logs are retained is configurable.
• 2242[15:37:28] <markybob> HSKW: sure. if you don't pay attention and move the rotated logs elsewhere
• 2243[15:37:36] <sypher> Or that.
• 2244[15:37:53] <markybob> an admin shouldn't ever just delete logs. that's crazy
• 2245[15:37:57] <markybob> never*
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• 2249[15:38:21] <markybob> damnit i'm firing myself. can't type
• 2250[15:38:22] <HSKW> i've only this line on nginx conf: access_log /var/log/nginx_access.log combined;
• 2251[15:38:22] <HSKW> error_log /var/log/nginx_error.log;
• 2252[15:38:38] <sypher> Uh, no, that's not crazy at all. But okay.
• 2253[15:39:38] <markybob> hell why have them at all if you're just going to delete them
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• 2255[15:39:56] <markybob> i'd be fired in an instant
• 2256[15:40:03] <HSKW> sypher: well the /var/log/ is maintained by operating system?
• 2257[15:40:22] <sypher> There's a time horizon beyond which logs are of no further use. A logfile from, say, four years ago isn't useful to me for anything.
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• 2259[15:40:46] <HSKW> maintained to say rotation or avoid space eating space
• 2260[15:40:49] <HSKW> ?
• 2261[15:40:52] <markybob> not really. sometimes hacks go unnoticed for years
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• 2263[15:41:39] <markybob> HSKW: i always just rotate and move to NAS or whatever you have
• 2264[15:41:59] <sypher> markybob: K.
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• 2266[15:42:58] <HSKW> markybob: okay good, the i must create a cron script that copy on the hdd log only the current log and empty the /var/log
• 2267[15:43:20] <HSKW> this is mean ROTATE, right?
• 2268[15:43:53] <markybob> replaced-url
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• 2270[15:45:52] <HSKW> markybob: THANKS, more simple to say that rates
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• 2273[15:46:31] <sypher> HSKW: A lot of your space consumption worries are mitigated by the fact that logrotate can compress the not-current log.
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• 2279[15:48:24] <HSKW> sypher: yeah this is very important... logfile on server that run apache/nginx are very dangerous...
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• 2281[15:48:35] <HSKW> if is not manage correctly
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• 2349[16:26:16] <MisterGadfly> I want to store my /tmp in my RAM. I know how to mount it with fstab, but how can I remove all of the files in it before mounting it?
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• 2357[16:28:26] <mayhew> MisterGadfly: you probably should just restart if you can, a program running might rely on those files. You could rm -rf it if you're feel like "risking" it.
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• 2360[16:29:37] <MisterGadfly> mayhew: but after I mount "on top of it", the previous files and directories are still there
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• 2370[16:33:28] <MisterGadfly> Seems like the rm worked, mayhew
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• 2372[16:35:02] <mayhew> nice :) I recently did the same thing myself, surprised it's not the default (but then again Debian is pretty conservative)
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• 2398[16:46:43] <gchristensen> Hi, I'm trying to find the various patches applied to acpitool 0.5.1 and am not really sure where to look, as replaced-url
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• 2401[16:47:22] <zarath> hi there
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• 2403[16:47:52] <zarath> went something wrong with the latest testing updates?
• 2404[16:48:31] <zarath> many packages are no longer available and have broken dependencies
• 2405[16:48:54] <mayhew> gchristensen: using `apt-get source pkg-name` will download the entire package source, including Debian-patches AFAIK
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• 2407[16:50:34] <TomTomTosch> well, the weather forecast for testing says sunny with no uninstallable packages on amd64. replaced-url
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• 2409[16:50:59] <TomTomTosch> zarath: but maybe you should take your problem to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2412[16:52:33] <TomTomTosch> s/no/very few/
• 2413[16:55:06] <zarath> strange. perhaps just broken mirrors
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• 2425[17:01:11] <google77> So, is it already possible to update the kernel without rebooting?(not neccessarily on debian though)
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• 2437[17:06:56] <google77> cool...uptime is love, uptime is life :P
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• 2491[17:30:19] <Devastator> ,kernels
• 2492[17:30:20] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc4-686-pae (4.7~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.2-2); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.1-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.1-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-1)
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• 2497[17:33:45] <MisterGadfly> Why is Eclipse IDE so old, even in unstable? What the hell?
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• 2499[17:34:16] <_Sys5_> Hi, For some odd reason mouse disapears when you click on terminal window. any ideas?
• 2500[17:34:48] <MisterGadfly> This is bullshit
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• 2503[17:35:27] <_Sys5_> not much luck with update-alternatives -config x-cursor-theme
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• 2505[17:37:50] <TomTomTosch> MisterGadfly: that bullshit is probably due to a lack of manpower. are you free to help out if you feel so strongly about it.
• 2506[17:38:02] <TomTomTosch> * you are
• 2507[17:38:12] <MisterGadfly> TomTomTosch: freaking Eclipse? A very popular IDE?
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• 2510[17:38:54] <_Sys5_> so, no1 experienced this before?
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• 2514[17:39:41] <cyphix> is there a version of the debian usb installer that allows to test debian before installing it?
• 2515[17:39:45] <mayhew> MisterGadfly: you can also get it from the Eclipse website if you want an up-to-date version
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• 2517[17:40:01] <MisterGadfly> mayhew: that's what I'm doing, but an updated version should be in the repos
• 2518[17:40:02] <mayhew> cyphix: yes, there's live images
• 2519[17:40:16] <mayhew> cyphix: replaced-url
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• 2521[17:41:31] <mayhew> MisterGadfly: replaced-url
• 2522[17:41:42] <TomTomTosch> MisterGadfly: yeah, freaking eclipse, if not many cared about the version in stable.
• 2523[17:41:44] <mayhew> Like TomTomTosch said, it's a manpower/interest issue it seems.
• 2524[17:41:51] <_Sys5_> ok cool
• 2525[17:42:27] <mayhew> I don't think many Debian people use/like Java, I know a lot of people prefer IntelliJ or lightweight editors.
• 2526[17:42:57] <TomTomTosch> which use java as well :P
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• 2528[17:43:29] <TomTomTosch> but those don't have active packages either. i guess it's because people want the up to date version.
• 2529[17:43:42] <mayhew> TomTomTosch: yeah, but I believe most of the Java community has moved on from Eclipse to IntelliJ.. Even Android Studio is based on it.
• 2530[17:44:03] <TomTomTosch> mayhew: i'd agree.
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• 2532[17:44:57] <cyphix> mayhew: Ok thank you!
• 2533[17:45:18] <MisterGadfly> I do use IntelliJ, but I sometimes need Eclipse
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• 2549[17:52:00] <qqz> if I start firefox fromout of a kde session everything is scaled abnormally large
• 2550[17:52:09] <qqz> sicne I have used a higher dpi value to scale things right for the KDE plasma desktop
• 2551[17:52:19] <qqz> however that settings is needed for the KDE desktop only
• 2552[17:52:31] <qqz> firefox should behave the same when started fromout of a gnome session as when started fromout of a KDE plasma session
• 2553[17:52:42] <qqz> at least this is what I want
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• 2555[17:52:50] <qqz> anyone her who can help?
• 2556[17:52:58] <qqz> it only applies to firefox not to google chrome
• 2557[17:53:06] <qqz> what is the magic that makes firefox scale its screen appearance and its menus
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• 2560[17:53:43] <Epakai> about:config layout.css.devPixelsPerPx
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• 2564[17:54:53] <qqz> ok; if set to one then everything is the same between gnome and kde
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• 2568[17:55:48] <qqz> hope that will be o.kj. also when I wanna do some webdev
• 2569[17:56:40] <qqz> anyone here who knows what layout.css.dpi is
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• 2571[17:57:03] <qqz> may I change the em/ex - value without affecting the px-values?
• 2572[17:57:22] <qqz> what if that parameter is non-zero?
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• 2575[17:58:07] <MisterGadfly> Ok, this is stupid. Whenever I create a new tmux pane, my .zprofile gets sourced, but when I try to make it source after logging in, it doesn't
• 2576[17:58:12] <MisterGadfly> What am I doing wrong?
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• 2591[18:03:48] <Lionyx> Hi! Is there any how use xinit /usr/bin/libreoffice -args and set an arg to height and width? I usually do it with chrome and firefox, but I can't seem to find an option for libreoffice. Is there any how make xinit force it? tks
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• 2594[18:04:42] <qqz> Lionyx: I think you should start a window maanger to do so first
• 2595[18:04:53] <qqz> and not start libreoffice directly via xinit
• 2596[18:05:15] <qqz> start an xterm and invoke there kwin & lowriter &
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• 2601[18:05:42] <qqz> and set the default width and height of the libreoffice window in the kwin setttings dialogue for specific windows
• 2602[18:06:09] <qqz> or invoke kwin & libreoffice fromout of a bash script if you need that often
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• 2605[18:07:12] <smev81> when i try to filter for apps that depend on gtk2 in synaptic it wont let me. If I revisit the filter configuration it is set to "NOT depend" instead of "depend". Did you have similar problems and found a workaround?
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• 2610[18:11:35] <smev81> I started aptitude which has a view for that, nevermind
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• 2623[18:16:35] <BernhardPosselt> where should your custom nginx config go? /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default ?
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• 2630[18:20:21] <DoctorD90> Hi guys! Little issue...I got a Usb14gb drive...it must have some bad sector because I find out some corrupted file. I runned e2fsck, but it give 0 errors. I create thousand copies of a 10megabyte file, hashed them, and I find out 4-5 corrupted copies, so it has to exist bad sectors! ...
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• 2633[18:20:29] <mayhew> BernhardPosselt: it's entirely up to you, but the "Debian way" if you're hosting more than 1 site is to add files to /etc/nginx/sites-available and symlink them to /etc/nginx/sites-enabled if you want them to be enabled.
• 2634[18:20:37] <DoctorD90> now im using directly badblocks, but it also gives 0 errors....
• 2635[18:20:42] <BernhardPosselt> mayhew: ty
• 2636[18:20:43] <DoctorD90> any idea?
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• 2638[18:21:16] <unborn> DoctorD90: corrupted files does not mean bad sectors..
• 2639[18:21:29] <DoctorD90> unborn, and what they can mean?
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• 2641[18:21:53] <unborn> DoctorD90: they are corrupted files.. heh it can happen anywhere..
• 2642[18:22:05] <DoctorD90> mainly it starts to give me corrupted files, after i go trougth airport checkpoint with Xray....
• 2643[18:22:36] <unborn> DoctorD90: I usually got corrupted files when in windows scanning usb is clicked.. < that is just example
• 2644[18:22:39] <unborn> *for
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• 2647[18:23:05] <DoctorD90> unborn, i copied one 10mega file, 1373 times. I hashed them, and find out 4-5 files corrupted. I repeated this test, and I find out SAME numbered files corrupted :P
• 2648[18:23:52] <DoctorD90> dd if=/dev/urandom of=Desktop/file bs=1M count=10
• 2649[18:24:00] <unborn> DoctorD90: its still does not mean that you must have bad sectors on your ssd, hdd, usbdisk
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• 2653[18:24:30] <DoctorD90> i created 1373 copies of that file on the usbstick, and for 4-5 files, hash doesnt match
• 2654[18:24:38] <unborn> if usb disk is low quality than it can occur
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• 2656[18:24:55] <DoctorD90> Kingston :P 3.0 :P 18€ xD
• 2657[18:25:04] <DoctorD90> 16gb
• 2658[18:25:20] <unborn> DoctorD90: what grade is that?
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• 2660[18:25:46] <unborn> never failed
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• 2663[18:26:00] <DoctorD90> the stuff that is strage, is that i do copy-hash stage 2 times, and in both, I find out the SAME file numbered corrutped
• 2664[18:26:09] <DoctorD90> what do you mean with grade?
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• 2667[18:27:44] <unborn> DoctorD90: there is difference between them.. just because you have kingstone it does not mean you have anything good. for example new standard ssd disk from kingstone are crap.. but same disk graded as A - ultra have completely different insides and also works much differently...
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• 2673[18:28:38] <MisterGadfly> How do I ignore the orphan packages?
• 2674[18:28:39] <unborn> DoctorD90: if you have any other usb stick try your test repeat on that
• 2675[18:28:55] <DoctorD90> unborn, done :P
• 2676[18:29:01] <DoctorD90> and it goes well... xD
• 2677[18:29:10] <DoctorD90> due to this i thougth at bad sector
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• 2679[18:29:46] <unborn> DoctorD90: so you see? perhaps next time you purchase some usb stick, you may do research which is better (even same brand)
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• 2683[18:30:06] <DoctorD90> lol
• 2684[18:30:27] <DoctorD90> so do you suggest that i have to trowh it in garbage? :P
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• 2686[18:30:39] <DoctorD90> it is 3 years old
• 2687[18:30:42] <DoctorD90> ....uff
• 2688[18:30:56] <unborn> DoctorD90: I didnt say that
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• 2690[18:31:11] <unborn> perhaps you would use it normally for some crappy stuff
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• 2695[18:32:15] <Lionyx> tks qqz
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• 2699[18:33:17] <DoctorD90> ah, and any idea to elude that sectors?
• 2700[18:33:27] <DoctorD90> ah ok
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• 2703[18:33:30] <DoctorD90> so no idea
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• 2707[18:36:08] <MisterGadfly> How do I remove the "packages no longer required" message from apt-get?
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• 2709[18:36:36] <unborn> MisterGadfly: apt-get autoremove?
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• 2711[18:36:45] <MisterGadfly> unborn: will that remove the packages?
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• 2714[18:37:06] <MisterGadfly> unborn: I don't want them removed, I just want that message gone
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• 2716[18:37:29] <markybob> then manually apt-get install them
• 2717[18:37:31] <unborn> MisterGadfly: if you see msg that no longer required then usually on end it tells you what to do with it
• 2718[18:37:45] <MisterGadfly> markybob: all of them!?
• 2719[18:37:59] <markybob> it's copy and paste. not that difficult. it wont redownload/reinstall
• 2720[18:38:10] <unborn> ah message? meh did not read it properly MisterGadfly
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• 2738[18:47:36] <sol> howdy folks
• 2739[18:47:43] <doublehp> teraflops: you told me a few days ago, that any phrase I adress to you make each time you a bit more confused ... I think i started using VirtualBox 2 days ago (or less, maybe 36h). I have already found a bug in it. People are often confused about my questions, and have dougts about my mental sanity; fact is, I am just asking for softwares to do what they claim they can do. And i have a special gift to find bugs.
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• 2742[18:48:05] <sol> I'm upgrading all my software from jessie to testing, and E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit-utils:amd64 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
• 2743[18:48:05] <sol> is coming up
• 2744[18:48:44] <sol> I'm wondering how I should proceed? I see that this bug was noted and apparently corrected by debian devs
• 2745[18:48:52] <sol> but I don't see any comment of how to get around it
• 2746[18:49:21] <sol> I'm not sure its safe to use Force-LoopBreak
• 2747[18:50:47] <markybob> ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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• 2749[18:51:27] <sol> thanks markybob
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• 2801[19:20:26] <doublehp> teraflops: replaced-url
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• 2830[19:29:49] <riskc> on certain ACPI events, like connecting my laptop to an external power source, my usb mouse suddenly gets unrecognized. I have already had to replug it a billion times in the past for the reason. Any idea why (happens with differenz mice of diff vendors)?
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• 2876[19:54:15] <MisterGadfly> It's nice that Debian's Firefox package has useless junk disabled by default
• 2877[19:54:44] <MisterGadfly> On Archlinux I had to google them out
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• 2889[20:00:14] <rudar> MisterGadfly, what junk?
• 2890[20:01:27] <MisterGadfly> rudar: like some of the date reporting stuff
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• 2894[20:02:09] <MisterGadfly> rudar: talking about this kind of stuff replaced-url
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• 2969[20:44:04] <BasicWorker> Hello everyone
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• 2971[20:44:10] <BasicWorker> Hello, I'm having an issue right now I'm trying to dpkg-reconfigure libnss-ldap and the output I get is "default start level arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match libnss-ldap default start value (none)"
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• 2978[20:48:09] <jelly> BasicWorker: which debian release are you using? is that the complete output?
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• 2980[20:49:28] <BasicWorker> jelly that's pretty much the complete output the only thing missing is the "warning" at the beginning
• 2981[20:49:52] <BasicWorker> I'm using Linux Mint
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• 2983[20:50:20] <BasicWorker> Linux Mint 17
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• 2986[20:51:12] <jelly> 1) a "Warning" isn't necessarily a problem 2) ask in the Mint channel, or reproduce the same issue on an actual debian installation
• 2987[20:51:14] <jelly> !mint
• 2988[20:51:15] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 2989[20:51:33] <jelly> BasicWorker: > #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
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• 3029[21:05:50] <Citizen1> mint ....
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• 3031[21:05:54] <Citizen1> what a noise
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• 3046[21:12:34] <Projectns> Can somebody help me
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• 3048[21:12:45] <Projectns> i have a vps with debian and i installed samba ..
• 3049[21:12:59] <Projectns> and also cifs-utils but i cant connect on the vps samba server with my mac
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• 3063[21:18:13] <Projectns> why cantttt i connect to smb :(
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• 3067[21:18:34] <abrotman> can you even connect to the ports?
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• 3075[21:20:34] <unborn> Projectns: ^^^
• 3076[21:20:35] <Projectns> nope
• 3077[21:20:36] <Projectns> :(
• 3078[21:20:39] <unborn> 3020 TCP UDP CIFS / SMB
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• 3080[21:20:47] <Projectns> i see that the port 445 and 139 is open
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• 3082[21:20:54] <Projectns> i checked it with telnet
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• 3085[21:21:10] <unborn> 3020 TCP UDP CIFS / SMB is port you need Projectns
• 3086[21:21:10] <Projectns> 3020 is closed
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• 3088[21:21:20] <Projectns> okay than its not online :/
• 3089[21:21:21] <unborn> well why not ssh?
• 3090[21:21:34] <Projectns> i wanna mount my drive as a normal drive
• 3091[21:21:40] <unborn> yeah
• 3092[21:21:53] <unborn> you can use it as folder via ssh no?
• 3093[21:22:03] <Projectns> and how? ^^
• 3094[21:22:04] <abrotman> Projectns: sshfs is a thing youcan use, and should
• 3095[21:22:07] <abrotman> !sshfs
• 3096[21:22:08] <dpkg> sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See replaced-url
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• 3098[21:22:15] <Projectns> okay
• 3099[21:22:19] <unborn> Projectns: its quiet simple
• 3100[21:22:28] <Projectns> so its better to use sshfs as smb/cifs?
• 3101[21:22:32] <unborn> Projectns: you did setup ssh keys yeah?
• 3102[21:22:36] <Projectns> yes
• 3103[21:22:58] <unborn> sure.. you know how to 'connect to server' in your finder?
• 3104[21:23:04] <Projectns> yes :D
• 3105[21:23:09] <unborn> use that :)
• 3106[21:23:14] <unborn> one moment
• 3107[21:23:21] <Projectns> for sshfs ?
• 3108[21:23:28] <Projectns> or smb?
• 3109[21:24:38] <unborn> Projectns: sftp://your-username@your-vps.com/home/folder-with-files
• 3110[21:24:52] <Projectns> :D over ftp?
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• 3112[21:25:04] <unborn> connect to it and make shortcut on desktop or save it to your favourites
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• 3114[21:25:22] <Projectns> what can you recomend ? sshfs or sftp?
• 3115[21:25:30] <unborn> Projectns: sftp://debian@debian.dev/home/debian/public_html
• 3116[21:25:31] <Projectns> *recommend
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• 3118[21:25:38] <unborn> just said it sftp
• 3119[21:25:46] <unborn> dont you read or something?
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• 3124[21:27:14] <jelly> Projectns: sshfs is just another sftp client.
• 3125[21:27:24] <jelly> so you're using sftp in both cases
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• 3127[21:27:38] <Projectns> ok
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• 3132[21:29:20] <breakfast> so here is an ssh command to get around imgur being blocked ssh -L 9000:imgur.com:80 user@example.com
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• 3135[21:30:02] <breakfast> is this telling your intermediate server at example.com to look at port 80 at imgur.com?
• 3136[21:30:43] <breakfast> and assigning port 9000 on the subnet thats blocking imgur to look at that server
• 3137[21:30:49] <breakfast> ?
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• 3139[21:31:31] <hicksd> it's saying forward port 9000 locally to imgur.com port 80 via the example.com system
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• 3141[21:31:51] <hicksd> see man ssh specifically the -L section for a bit more info.
• 3142[21:32:07] <breakfast> right so thats what i said right? im new to both networking and ssh
• 3143[21:32:13] <hicksd> yes
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• 3146[21:32:36] <breakfast> the question i have is why this tyranical subnet would allow you to forward ports
• 3147[21:32:47] <breakfast> why would they allow that if they are blocking websites
• 3148[21:33:06] <hicksd> they're not allowing it, they don't know you're port forwarding
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• 3150[21:33:15] <hicksd> the only thingthey're allowing is you to run ssh connections to other hosts
• 3151[21:33:22] <hicksd> and you can tunnel over ssh.
• 3152[21:33:47] <hicksd> but "they" won't know that since ssh is encrypted. Only your machine and the example.com machine will know that
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• 3155[21:34:59] <breakfast> hicksd: oh what i meant was that you are opening a port and why would they let you do that. but they have to let you do it because all normal applications are going to open random ports if they interact with the internet.
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• 3160[21:36:14] <breakfast> i get it
• 3161[21:36:37] <breakfast> whats the best irc for learning more about networking stuff?
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• 3167[21:39:15] <up2late> i just installed debian, how do i set it to where i can ssh into it from anpother computer
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• 3169[21:39:23] <up2late> do i have to open a port 22 or whatever
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• 3171[21:40:17] <TomTomTosch> up2late: all you need to do is install the ssh server. it's an option during the install too btw.
• 3172[21:40:39] <up2late> i beleive i did that
• 3173[21:40:55] <breakfast> what about forwarding port 22?
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• 3176[21:41:22] <TomTomTosch> why forwarding if you want to access it from the local network?
• 3177[21:41:37] <up2late> how can i see if i installed ssh server
• 3178[21:41:43] <up2late> im a debian noob
• 3179[21:41:48] <up2late> just trying it out
• 3180[21:41:53] <TomTomTosch> up2late: dpkg -l openssh-server
• 3181[21:42:35] <TomTomTosch> up2late: or systemctl status ssh.service to see if the server is up.
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• 3184[21:43:18] <Citizen1> or apt install ssh
• 3185[21:43:38] <breakfast> is the ssh server always running by default?
• 3186[21:43:43] <breakfast> how to stop and start it?
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• 3190[21:44:21] <up2late> tomocha_____: says its activly running
• 3191[21:44:23] <up2late> err
• 3192[21:44:23] <TomTomTosch> systemctl stop ssh.service start/stop/disable/status
• 3193[21:44:24] <up2late> tomtom
• 3194[21:44:37] <up2late> says listnening on 0.0.0.0.0 tho
• 3195[21:44:38] <TomTomTosch> up2late: then you can connect from your local network.
• 3196[21:45:01] <Citizen1> if he is modify the /etc/init.d/ssh its ok ?
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• 3198[21:45:13] <Citizen1> or systemctl is necessary ?
• 3199[21:45:16] <TomasCZ> don't modify that
• 3200[21:45:26] <up2late> TomTomTosch: how do i verify the ip im using is correct
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• 3202[21:45:44] <TomasCZ> ifconfig ?
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• 3204[21:45:55] <TomTomTosch> up2late: 'ip addr' to see the ips your computer has.
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• 3207[21:46:30] <Citizen1> and modify /etc/default/ssh and put the option in its ok ?
• 3208[21:46:32] <TomasCZ> or that.
• 3209[21:46:54] <up2late> ahh, i used the wrong ip
• 3210[21:46:56] <bezaban> Citizen1: that works, but might as well just change it in the config file, but that is not needed for it to work (0.0.0.0) is all interfaces
• 3211[21:46:56] <up2late> thanks guys
• 3212[21:47:04] <bezaban> well all ipv4 interfaces anyway
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• 3214[21:47:36] <TomTomTosch> no problemo
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• 3221[21:48:38] <bezaban> Citizen1: also not really recommended if you are on a network with dynamic ip allocation or if you want to connect to another network
• 3222[21:48:49] <TomTomTosch> TomasCZ: those new tools are a change for me too, i try to condition myself to use them now, though ;D
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• 3224[21:49:43] <TomasCZ> I use them for advanced things. other than that it's just habit
• 3225[21:50:07] <TomasCZ> can't say but the formatting of ifconfig changed not so long ago.
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• 3229[21:51:19] <bezaban> I find 'ip a' so much more comfortable than 'sudo ifconfig'. (or sudo /sbin/ifconfig on other distros)
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• 3264[22:06:09] <alske> Hello.
• 3265[22:06:42] <alske> I am running mint right now. Is there a way to install debian without a usb or cd? Maybe just with mint?
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• 3267[22:07:47] <sypher> alske: I THINK there are ways to boot into an installer from within the current OS, but I can't vouch for any personally.
• 3268[22:08:10] <abrotman> !debootstrap
• 3269[22:08:11] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
• 3270[22:08:17] <alske> sypher: Thanks for answering. I would love to do it that way.
• 3271[22:08:53] <alske> abrotman: Have you tried to do this? Is it easy?
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• 3279[22:11:31] <TomTomTosch> alske: there is a little bit more to it. here is a more in-depth explenation replaced-url
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• 3281[22:12:11] <alske> TomTomTosch: Thank you! It seems that i will download all the packages from the repos. Can I just get the packages from the iso I already have?
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• 3290[22:16:23] <TomTomTosch> debootstrap just pulls the base system. that's not that large. afterwards you can apt-cdrom to add a cd to your sources. i wouldn't bother, though.
• 3291[22:16:41] <TomTomTosch> * you can use
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• 3310[22:28:18] <Tachyon`> hi, anyone know why oidentd is going rogue occasionally and maxing out the cpu / spawning lots of copies of itself? is there a simple identd I can use instead?
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• 3321[22:33:14] <DebianNewbie> Hello everyone
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• 3326[22:33:47] <DebianNewbie> I try to do a apt-get install libnss-ldap on my debian 8 and it can't locate the package
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• 3338[22:36:48] <jelly> DebianNewbie: yay debian! verify the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list are sane... pastebin the file
• 3339[22:36:53] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 3340[22:36:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3373[22:51:26] <tonk> I finally had to add the "non-free" repository and get adobe flash. Couldn't watch porhub without it.
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• 3383[22:54:15] <H4ndy> I am pretty sure most of those sites work just fine without flash
• 3384[22:54:20] <H4ndy> :^)
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• 3391[22:56:24] <jelly> H4ndy: many do html5 only if your browser can pretend it's a mobile device well enough, else they still push flash
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• 3393[22:56:30] <jelly> OR SO I HEAR
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• 3396[22:56:55] <H4ndy> I heard of a friend who's using Firefox without plugins just fine
• 3397[22:57:15] <jelly> I have no plugins in firefox, sure.
• 3398[22:57:24] <jelly> use Chrome for all that crap ;-)
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• 3403[22:58:23] <jelly> it seems to have betterer hw acceleration features for video
• 3404[22:58:43] <H4ndy> well I am on windows with that, so I have no direct experience of that on deb
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• 3433[23:13:33] <H4ndy> jelly: erm.. yes, of course
• 3434[23:13:50] <H4ndy> I am on a terminal-linux only with lynx as my browser
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• 3477[23:29:08] <iio7> I am running Jessie on a box which has an 3.x kernel and a 4.6 from backports. Grub doesn't any longer provide both options, it just boots from 4.6, how do I make it so I can choose between the two?
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• 3482[23:31:36] <iio7> "Generating grub configuration file", it finds both, but during boot only the 4.6 is available.
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• 3487[23:34:53] <mtn> iio7: do you see Advanced Options in the grub menu?
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• 3489[23:35:51] <iio7> mtn, just found it in there. Thanks.
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• 3499[23:42:36] <chx> hi. i am on oldstable. uname -a says 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 . modinfo fuse reports /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko and vermagic 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 however when i try modprobe fuse it dies with replaced-url
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• 3502[23:43:17] <chx> sysfs_create_mount_point is a 4.2 thing. I have no idea where that comes from.
• 3503[23:43:48] <chx> running strings /lib/modules/3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko|grep sysfs does find that string, however.
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