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3 [00:02:11] <enowaldo> So, I'm finding descriptions on
how to emulate *mouse* *wheel* scrolling. But not to fix the
middle-mouse to behave _just as a mouse button_. For mousewheel,
see:
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4 [00:02:17] <enowaldo> That's actually _not_ what I want.
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6 [00:02:27] <humpled> hrm
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16 [00:09:49] <sadtaco>
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33 [00:16:37] <enowaldo> OK, apparently this is an evdev driver
issue, possible ... at a URL I'll paste when I've got
middle mouse button working as desired.
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35 [00:16:40] <sadtaco> trying to point to one of the headers
folders doesn't do it, either
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42 [00:18:28] <humpled> have you checked synclient enowaldo
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62 [00:27:28] <enowaldo> humpled: No.
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67 [00:31:00] <rwp> enowaldo, I have that same desire too. And I
haven't figured out how to disable trackpoint scrolling either.
68 [00:32:15] <rwp> But middle button still works as paste for
me. The thing that gets in the way is control-middle is eaten by the
trackpoint so can't use it for xterm menu. :-(
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77 [00:42:59] <enowaldo> rwp: That ... would be annoying. Right
now _all_ my modifier keys seem to get eaten.
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79 [00:44:07] <rwp> enowaldo, I do "setxkbmap -option
terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp -option compose:menu ; xmodmap .xmodmap ;
xset r rate 275 45" where the xmodmap file sets up control and
escape and such for me.
80 [00:44:33] <rwp> add Control = Control_L Control_R and add
mod4 = Super_L Super_R.
81 [00:44:55] <rwp> So maybe something is destroying your
modifiers? Maybe you can add them back in?
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89 [00:50:38] <enowaldo> rwp: Given that the middle button
creates no event until release, I think not. This ... has been going
on for a while -- I'd first encountered this in 2016.
90 [00:52:02] <rwp> Of course I have a trackpoint so I encounter
the inability to get to the control-middlebutton xterm menu whenever
I use this keyboard.
91 [00:52:21] <rwp> If I plug in an additional USB mouse then
the control middle works as intended.
92 [00:52:44] <rwp> So that is an idea for you. You might plug
in an additional usb keyboard/mouse and see how that modifies the
behavior.
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96 [00:57:03] <enowaldo> rwp: ... hrm, interesting, though
I'd prefer it Just Worked.
97 [00:58:34] <rwp> Not suggesting that as a long term solution.
Just a debugging tactic.
98 [00:59:11] <rwp> Note that I still haven't figured it
out myself. So I am probably not the person you want helping you to
figure it out. :-)
99 [00:59:39] <rwp> I am just the only person in the room at the
moment.
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137 [01:15:41] <shinnok> hello
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170 [01:29:44] <humpled> filthybiscuits
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174 [01:35:46] <sadtaco>
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175 [01:35:54] <sadtaco> Would I copy the PTUUID instead?
176 [01:36:13] <sadtaco> oh wait
177 [01:36:23] <sadtaco> disregard that
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183 [01:39:56] <enowaldo> rwp: Yeah, thanks all the same.
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189 [01:41:18] <nyanwindozelinux> Hello
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199 [01:49:27] <rant> personally I was too busy trying to figure
out what a taco would be sad about to regard that :D
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202 [01:51:03] <ghormoon> hi, not sure of that is feature of
firmware or drivers, but when writing, touchpad stops. is it
possible to toogle this behaviour somehow? (thinkpad T470s)
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206 [01:52:32] <rant> ghormoon: palm detection, and yes..
207 [01:52:51] <rant> erm well you are probably not dealing with
palm detection but just disabled while typing
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209 [01:53:30] <rant> in MATE you can go to
System>Prefrences>Hardware>Mouse [Touchpad] General: and
uncheck Disable touchpad while typing
210 [01:53:32] <ghormoon> can i toggle that "runtime"?
(echoing something somewhere ...)
211 [01:53:42] <rant> other DE probably have something similar
212 [01:53:48] <ghormoon> I've got xmonad :D
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214 [01:54:18] <ghormoon> but yeah, that sounds exactly like the
behaviour i see
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220 [01:57:19] <ghormoon> find through proc and sys for
"*disa*" didn't point me to anything on first sight
:(
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223 [01:58:01] <rant> well near as I can tell
mate-mouse-properties is modifying a dconf setting
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225 [01:59:05] <rant> probably
/org/mate/desktop/peripherals/touchpad/disable-while-typing
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227 [01:59:27] <rant> alternatively it'd be an xorg setting
if anything
228 [01:59:32] <humpled> just how big is the mousepad?
229 [01:59:32] <rant> its not a kernel thing
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231 [02:00:13] <ghormoon> hm, i guess i don't have dconf at
all
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237 [02:01:49] <ghormoon> ah, i do
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242 [02:03:16] <rant> I'd guess this key is read by
mate-settings-daemon and what it does with that idk
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244 [02:04:12] <ghormoon> i don't have org.mate though
245 [02:04:28] <ghormoon> there's
org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad but it does not have such
option
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250 [02:05:51] <rant> seems like mate-settings-daemon is calling
/usr/bin/syndaemon when I toggle that setting
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252 [02:06:41] <rant> syndaemon - a program that monitors
keyboard activity and disables the touchpad when the keyboard is
being used.
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254 [02:07:01] <rant> ,find bin/syndaemon
255 [02:07:06] <judd> Search for bin/syndaemon in stretch/amd64:
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics: usr/bin/syndaemon
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257 [02:07:35] <ghormoon> i don't have that package, but
i'll try
258 [02:07:53] <rant> you don't have the command syndaemon?
259 [02:08:08] <humpled> xmonad is its own monster
260 [02:08:18] <rant> yes but syndaemon is part of xorg
261 [02:08:40] <ghormoon> not until now
262 [02:08:42] <ghormoon> No synaptics properties on device
'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'.
263 [02:08:43] <rant> and seems to be what does this.. unless its
a hw default that must be overriden
264 [02:08:52] <ghormoon> seem it doesn't want to start :D
265 [02:09:02] <rant> my thought was it was already running
266 [02:09:13] <ghormoon> i guess the daemon is a replacement if
the touchpad doesn't do it in it's own
267 [02:09:33] <ghormoon> so i guess my source is one level lower
268 [02:10:01] <ghormoon> I'll try xmonad channel if they
have any ieas
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270 [02:10:54] <rant>
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271 [02:13:35] <rant>
replaced-url
272 [02:15:45] <ghormoon> do you have the syndaemon process
running all the time?
273 [02:16:09] <rant> I disable my touchpad always so.. :P
274 [02:16:14] <rant> I hate those things
275 [02:16:18] <rant> I use the trackpoint
276 [02:16:25] <dvs> yuck
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278 [02:16:48] <ghormoon> seems I'll have to stat using
trackpoint xD
279 [02:16:57] <ghormoon> that one does not disable
280 [02:17:13] <rant> ghormoon: no but it drifts
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283 [02:17:41] <rant> ghormoon:
/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/drift_time is what it is
on my T440
284 [02:17:48] <ghormoon> or just ait few days till i get back to
my mouse :D
285 [02:17:52] <rant> if I set it to 90 I get no issues
286 [02:18:06] <rant> but otherwise after scrolling or such it
drifts and its annoying
287 [02:18:36] <ghormoon> mine is at 5 now
288 [02:18:44] <ghormoon> i did not notice problms but i
don't use it much
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290 [02:19:09] <rant> yes well that means if you maintain a
constant pressure in a certain direction within a threshold, for 5
sec, it'll recalibrate that as center
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292 [02:19:21] <rant> so when you release it'll go the
opposite way at equal pressure
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294 [02:19:32] <rant> and will take 5sec of release to
recalibrate
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296 [02:20:23] <ghormoon> ah, that i would ant also higher if i
use it instead of touchpad (in the case when touchpad is disabling)
:D
297 [02:20:38] <rant> yeah.. I set it to 90 and never had drift
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299 [02:20:50] <ghormoon> because my only issue with the touchpad
is that i installed factorio and i can't aim and mve. I
don't want it to be recentering when aiming some direction 5s
:D
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304 [02:21:31] <rant> one of those firmware features of the hw I
wish I could just disable altogether
305 [02:21:47] <rant> if your trackpoint is ACTUALLY drifting you
got bigger problems
306 [02:22:00] <rant> it should only recalibrate on load or by
manual
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308 [02:22:23] <ghormoon> yeah manual would be enough (and save
the values for reboots)
309 [02:22:32] <ghormoon> this should not change often
310 [02:22:46] <ghormoon> or just on boot, yeah
311 [02:23:08] <rant> well apparently the programmers of the
firmware thought it should auto-calibrate constantly :D
312 [02:23:11] <rant> its annoying
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315 [02:24:51] <rant> when all this fancy stuff is designed it
should be an opt-in or at very least an opt-out situation :P
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318 [02:27:29] <red66> hola
319 [02:27:32] <ghormoon> ok, not xmonad thing, but got a hint in
right diretion. xinput set-prop 11 297 0
320 [02:27:41] <red66> alguien que hable espanol
321 [02:27:47] <rant> !es
322 [02:27:47] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en
Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en
Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join
#debian-es en la línea de chat.
323 [02:28:14] <ghormoon> I'll just make some little
toggle-script and bind it somewhere
324 [02:28:15] <red66> gracias
325 [02:28:16] <rant> red66: por favor usar #debian-es
326 [02:28:27] <red66> gracias
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328 [02:28:32] <rant> de nada
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330 [02:29:30] <rant> I never thought of it, but I wonder if they
have factoid bots for the other language channels :P
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332 [02:30:18] <ghormoon> dunno, i never ever tried any other
channel, english is my default for all it-related issues
333 [02:30:44] <rant> I should probably spend some time in them..
my language skills are crap and I spent way too much time studying
other languages to not be using and retaining them
334 [02:31:20] <ghormoon> i should start spanish sometime,
especially if i plan to fly to south america for half a year
sometime :D
335 [02:31:21] <EdePopede> [ ok ] Starting webfs (via systemctl):
webfs.service.
336 [02:31:22] <rwp> I love the syndaemon. FTW! I couldn't
use a laptop with a touchpad without it.
337 [02:31:25] <EdePopede> only it is not running?
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339 [02:31:42] <ghormoon> rwp: what exactly you get from it?
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341 [02:33:14] <ghormoon> i don't have it, should i care? :D
342 [02:33:39] <rant> EdePopede: never used it but it is possible
for some things to only run on demand via hooks into some larger
daemon that triggers on access via portmap or such
343 [02:33:49] <EdePopede> WAT?
344 [02:34:21] <EdePopede> in the past it was like running the
file in init.d with start parameter and it worked
345 [02:34:28] <ghormoon> isn't that somethling like a
webserver?
346 [02:34:36] <ghormoon> that would run constantly i guess
347 [02:34:37] <EdePopede> minimalistic one, yes
348 [02:34:43] <EdePopede> so i have to reboot?
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350 [02:34:51] <rwp> ghormoon, My palm drags on the touchpad
warping the mouse to undesired places and producing undesired mouse
clicks. Like trying to type with a cat randomly scratching at a
touchscreen.
351 [02:34:55] <ghormoon> anything interesting in journal?
352 [02:34:58] <EdePopede> debian going windows thanks to that
new manageshit
353 [02:35:10] <EdePopede> emtpy logfile for that program
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355 [02:35:22] <ghormoon> rwp: i never had this issume. maybe
i'll start now if i'll be forgetting this option on :D
356 [02:35:50] <rwp> ghormoon, With "syndaemon -i 20 -k
-d" as soon as I type any key it disables the touchpad for 20
seconds. As long as I don't pause to think longer than 20
seconds then the touchpad stays disabled and the cat scratching at
the touchscreen is contained.
357 [02:35:51] <EdePopede> was running for don't know how
long. restarted it today er yesterday because don't know why.
or at least tried
358 [02:36:31] <EdePopede> that's the best: Active: active
(exited) since Sat 2019-05-11 13:03:15 CEST; 13h ago
359 [02:36:31] <rwp> ghormoon, If I do pause to think for a
while, or push the laptop to someone else, then 20 seconds has
elapsed and they can use the touchpad to move the pointer and all is
good.
360 [02:36:38] <rwp> So it is adaptive technology at its finest.
361 [02:36:39] <EdePopede> since it is obviously not running
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363 [02:36:49] <ghormoon> rwp: that i had y default without
syndaemon and took me now so long to get rid of it :D
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365 [02:37:15] <ghormoon> but it was like 2seconds, not 20
366 [02:37:27] <ghormoon> i would go crazy with 20
367 [02:37:58] <ghormoon> I'm just thinking how to hook up
the disabling/enabling of this based on window focus
368 [02:38:01] <rwp> And I would go crazy with 2. I think the
default is 5.
369 [02:38:12] <ghormoon> i guess there will be something in
xmonad for that
370 [02:38:28] <rwp> The best adaptive technology is the
technology that works best for you. :-)
371 [02:38:52] <ghormoon> the default is obviulsly based on how
long you write
372 [02:39:00] <ghormoon> if you just press something it's
like 0.1
373 [02:39:02] <EdePopede> May 11 13:03:15 tardis systemd[1]:
Started LSB: Webfs simple HTTP server.
374 [02:39:05] <ghormoon> if you do lnger, maybe 1-2s
375 [02:39:11] <EdePopede> "started". no, you did NOT
start it
376 [02:39:12] <ghormoon> but that is for the driver thing
377 [02:39:15] <ghormoon> not the syndaemon
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379 [02:39:49] <EdePopede> i think i'll go back to the
stoneage. write a wrapper script for it with all variables and start
it from there.
380 [02:39:52] <rwp> EdePopede, So in summary you ran systemctl
start webfs.service, the command returned, then you ran systemctl
status webfs.service, and it said what?
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384 [02:40:30] <EdePopede> i have no idea how it was started
before it stopped today. maybe even autostart after install
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387 [02:40:44] <ghormoon> anyway, the driver default wa snot so
bad for my usecase. except when i tryed to play a game, then it was
totally unusable :D
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389 [02:40:59] <EdePopede> systemctl start webfs.service returns
NOTHING
390 [02:41:14] <ghormoon> systemctl status webfs.service
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392 [02:41:41] <EdePopede> no new entries since what looks like
when it was stopped half a day ago
393 [02:41:47] <rwp> EdePopede, Right. I hate that. But that is
the way it is designed to work.
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395 [02:41:57] <EdePopede> hipster shit
396 [02:42:05] <rant> heh
397 [02:42:09] <rwp> systemctl sends a dbus message to systemd
telling systemd to start it. Then you must ask it with status what
it did.
398 [02:42:14] * rant wondered what that smell was
399 [02:42:16] <EdePopede> they should let unix devs do such
stuff who know their business
400 [02:42:44] <ghormoon> some of my bozes stil don't have
systemd despite being jessie. I'll need to check if i can
dist-upgrade them to stretch and keep systemd pinned out :D
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402 [02:43:03] <ghormoon> *boxes
403 [02:43:03] <EdePopede> # /etc/init.d/webfs start
404 [02:43:03] <EdePopede> [ ok ] Starting webfs (via systemctl):
webfs.service.
405 [02:43:09] <EdePopede> systemd is a fucking liar
406 [02:43:22] <rwp> ghormoon, What makes you think Jessie equals
running systemd? I am running Jessie, Stretch, Buster, and Sid
without systemd.
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408 [02:43:42] <EdePopede> because the marketing i think
409 [02:43:48] <EdePopede> "we use systemd now"
410 [02:43:52] <ghormoon> rwp: it is the default. I know i can
run it without, i do it. but i didn't test it out in stretch
yet, too lazy :D
411 [02:43:53] <EdePopede> everyone saying that
412 [02:44:21] <ghormoon> on laptop, i just gave up and have
stretch with systemd
413 [02:44:24] <EdePopede> and it even won't let start a
simple webserver
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415 [02:44:57] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: it's pretty trivial
to start daemons with systemd
416 [02:45:26] <EdePopede> well?
417 [02:45:34] <EdePopede> start me webfs then
418 [02:45:53] <ghormoon> it's trivial until something goes
nuts which you'd see on first sight with sys-v back then, so if
youre not used to it and where to look, not always
419 [02:46:21] <rwp> It's the debug side of things which is
most important. And that part was the part they left out of the
million lines of source code.
420 [02:46:25] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: systemctl start webfs;
421 [02:46:36] <EdePopede> systemd is some overcomplex crap where
you'd need one of these courses where you pay 150€ per day
422 [02:46:38] <rant> I'd only tried removing systemd once
in jessie when I first encountered it.. and it was not pretty..
having gotten used to it, I see it tied into all parts of the system
in ways I just dont see how its possible for the system to run
without it anymore
423 [02:46:41] <ghormoon> can you paste systemctl status
webfs.service somewhere?
424 [02:46:48] <EdePopede> dondelelcaro: guess what...
425 [02:46:52] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: if it's not
starting, systemctl status webfs; or journalctl -xe
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428 [02:47:10] <EdePopede> <EdePopede> systemctl start
webfs.service returns NOTHING
429 [02:47:18] <ghormoon> rant: but that's not that glorious
reason to use it. because things get broken if you don't :d
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431 [02:47:26] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: you mean it doesn't
output anything? That's expected.
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433 [02:47:36] <EdePopede> "is". not by me.
434 [02:47:51] <EdePopede> i expect a "OK" or a
"fail" when i don't get an interface
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437 [02:48:20] <EdePopede> or is it ok for you if you order
something and get no answer?
438 [02:48:23] <rant> ghormoon: no, but there arent really many
glorious as you put it, reasons not to either.. most my complaints
turned out to be rather moot arguments with not wanting to learn how
to use something that addresses issues linux has been plagued by for
ages
439 [02:48:33] <EdePopede> starting a daemon is in no way
different
440 [02:48:37] <rwp> EdePopede, "systemctl start ..."
never prints anything. It isn't supposed to.
441 [02:48:38] <ghormoon> rant: actually easiest way was always
pin the packages before dist-upgrade from wheezy, but that's
not how you should do it at this day anymore :D
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443 [02:48:46] <EdePopede> then it is broken by design
444 [02:48:48] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: that's not how
systemd works, for good reason.
445 [02:48:53] <EdePopede> not the first time such happens
446 [02:48:55] <rwp> EdePopede, It is "systemctl status
..." that we need to see.
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449 [02:49:40] <dondelelcaro> EdePopede: starting services
shouldn't output things to the console, because that
doesn't scale. if you want to output things to the console, you
can combine start with status
450 [02:49:53] <EdePopede>
replaced-url
451 [02:50:00] <EdePopede> as i said, nothing since it was
stopped
452 [02:50:06] <EdePopede> instead of being restarted
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454 [02:50:28] <rwp> There you go. "Address already in
use" Failed. You have another process running on the desired
port.
455 [02:50:38] <ghormoon> but yeah, i'm also slowly giving
up and have systemd on some boxes. it has it's pros and cons,
so it's really mostly apout getting used to it, but still i
don't like the one-ring-to-rule-them-all philosophy (and binary
logs etc. :D)
456 [02:50:40] <eblip> hey could i run the same install of debian
9 for like 5 years ..and just do updates and upgrades.
457 [02:50:41] <EdePopede> doesn't scale? check if
there's a terminal and then say OK or OOPS
458 [02:50:58] <eblip> or do they close the repos or something
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461 [02:51:17] <rwp> I was curious about the "doesn't
scale" comment as well.
462 [02:51:49] <EdePopede> rwp, definitely not. avahi and
dhclient are the only ones running
463 [02:51:51] <rwp> So what is the lsof or ss command to find
processes attached to a port?
464 [02:52:03] <dondelelcaro> rwp: netstat -plunt
465 [02:52:09] <EdePopede> and this was from half a day ago
466 [02:52:11] <ghormoon> eblip: if you're ok with lts
support, 5 years usually. dist-upgrades might require some changes
as there's a ton of new sw coming in. depends on your usecase a
lot
467 [02:52:26] <rwp> What port are you trying to use for webfs?
468 [02:52:31] <EdePopede> lsof -i -P for me
469 [02:52:33] <eblip> ah ok ghormoon
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471 [02:52:51] <rwp> Even for LTS one must upgrade through and
stopping at each release individually. Can't skip releases!
472 [02:52:55] <ghormoon> i guess after LTS period is over, the
repos shut off. so if you start one year before ned, you have one
year :)
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474 [02:53:05] <EdePopede> rwp, was 8000 before. now it should
bind to 80, didn't even touch the conf
475 [02:53:25] <EdePopede> oh, even for root 8000: # port to
listen on (default: 8000)
476 [02:53:28] <dondelelcaro> rwp: logging to a console works
only as long as there actually is a console and someone is looking
at it; when you have thousands of machines and daemons potentially
starting asyncronously, it doesn't work.
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479 [02:54:09] <EdePopede> i *have* only one machine. and i do
start it from the terminal. so where's the problem?
480 [02:54:25] <ghormoon> EdePopede: netstat -lpn | grep 8000
what's listening there already?
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482 [02:54:34] <rwp> EdePopede, What does "netstat -plunt |
grep :80" say? Run it as root.
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484 [02:54:58] <EdePopede> nothing
485 [02:55:17] <EdePopede> avahi. dhclient. and finito.
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487 [02:55:28] <EdePopede> and they both have their own ports
488 [02:55:48] <rwp> dondelelcaro, Huh? Where did "logging
to a console" appear? No one was talking about that. Not in
this thread.
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490 [02:56:18] <rwp> We were talking about standard output. Not
the system console.
491 [02:56:35] <ghormoon> eblip: currently with stretch, you have
about 3 years left. if you're preparing something new
that's not going to production so soon, maybe start it right
away on buster
492 [02:57:04] <eblip> ah no ...ghormoon 3 years will be fine
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494 [02:57:07] <ghormoon> but testing doesn't have so fast
security updates, so if it's something critical, better go with
stable
495 [02:57:13] <EdePopede> doing a dumb start in the shell works
with both ports
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497 [02:57:32] <rwp> Testing right now is still getting a lot of
updates churning through. Even during the hard freeze.
498 [02:58:00] <ghormoon> eblip: and after the 3 years, just do a
copy, test dist-upgrade and see if it's ok. depends on what
you're runnig there, but you have high chances
499 [02:58:19] <EdePopede> the problem is definitely systemd.
without it it works.
500 [02:58:27] <eblip> i just switched from opensuse to debian on
a laptop...only reason i switched was that i couldnt get the net
installer of opensuse working ...but debian worked no messing
...only use the machine for basic stuff so its not important ..i
just want minimum maintenance and reliability
501 [02:58:46] <ghormoon> rwp: yeah, but if it's something
going to production in a year (we know corporate projects), then
it's good time to start it on buster :D
502 [02:59:01] <eblip> yes that makes a lot of sense
503 [02:59:03] <rwp> For upgrades always read through the Release
Notes carefully. They cover a huge breadth of detail. Really good
stuff there.
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507 [02:59:27] <rwp> ghormoon, It's fine if you have someone
who knows the system well and can keep an eye on it during this time
too.
508 [02:59:49] <ghormoon> eblip: i never had issues with
dist-upgrading laptop yet. except that i had kde 4, after
dist-upgrade there was kde 5, which i hated, so i had to switch to
xmonad :D
509 [03:00:08] <eblip> yes i love xmonad
510 [03:00:16] <eblip> thats what i use on my 2 workstations
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512 [03:00:24] <eblip> tidy and fast and no frills whatsoever
513 [03:00:54] <ghormoon> but for laptop, maybe I'd go for
buster already, i often install testing right away for laptops on
new installs so i don't have to worry later :D
514 [03:01:24] <rwp> I'm pretty happy with i3. :-)
515 [03:01:31] <eblip> it already done ..so i wont go back to
it..but i will probably do that on new laptops ghormoon
516 [03:01:33] <ghormoon> or you might want xmonad from backports
if you're on stable :)
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518 [03:02:36] <eblip> ill leave the laptop as gnome...its just a
device i take here and there occasionally and nothing technical on
it whatsoever..just browse and mail and the odd document
519 [03:03:10] <rwp> There is something to be said for "thin
clients".
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521 [03:03:15] <ghormoon> yeah then it doesn't matter much.
especially if you borrow the laptop to random ppl. custon-setup
xmonad is not so easy to borrow :D
522 [03:03:35] <eblip> definitely ...my main machines are old as
hell . but function really well with xmonad and urxvt
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528 [03:07:03] <eblip> another thing i noticed with opensuse on
the laptop...as time progressed the fan started going like the
clappers after 2 years
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530 [03:07:13] <eblip> hope that doesnt happen with debian.
531 [03:07:34] <ghormoon> clean it :D
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533 [03:08:09] <ghormoon> i guess firefox with open facebook can
eat ennough resources no matter what os is underneath and if it gets
hot ... :D
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535 [03:08:12] <eblip> it was pretty clean ghormoon, i didnt
really put much on there ..just tmux ...and very few files
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537 [03:08:25] <rwp> I have noticed that in the pursuit of
performance sometimes the kernel sacrifices power and things do
change from kernel to kernel.
538 [03:09:18] <eblip> i have never had my installs degrade so
much ...i put it down to updates not cleaning properly
539 [03:09:20] <ghormoon> yeah the defaults might differ a bit
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541 [03:09:32] <eblip> which is possibly an open suse issue
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543 [03:09:55] <ghormoon> no idea, but my collegue who has
opensuse reinstalls like twice a year :D
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545 [03:10:06] <rwp> Older machines have older cpus and older
cpus are not tested as thoroughly as the new set. So the older
systems get broken more often.
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547 [03:10:24] <eblip> yes... it shouldnt be necesary.. i used to
do that many years ago with windows
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549 [03:10:40] <eblip> but im running gentoo on my main
workstations and the installs are like 4 years old
550 [03:10:49] <rwp> Which is the opposite of devices. The newest
devices are not yet supported in the mainline kernel. So one wants
at least a two year old system so that devices are supported.
551 [03:10:51] <eblip> and performance and everything is really
good
552 [03:11:15] <eblip> ah ok
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554 [03:12:24] <DixieNormous> Activist: im having an issue
connecting to you on PM? any advice
555 [03:12:40] <activist> sure.
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558 [03:13:56] <ghormoon> i consider anythin from samdybridge
onwards new enough for my usecases usually :D
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604 [03:27:14] <EdePopede> what the heck is this now... copied
the webfs init.d script to /usr/local, added an echo even right
after the hashbang line, but still no output. after renaming it
works. `which` gives me the correct answer, and
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin - no
reason why the binary should be executed instead oO
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620 [03:32:31] <ksk> sys-v-rc?
621 [03:32:47] <EdePopede> yep
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623 [03:33:16] <EdePopede> but why isn't it used? it comes
*before* the binary in the path
624 [03:33:25] <ksk> have fun debugging it. should only be like
some hundred lines of sh/bash I suppse.
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626 [03:33:45] <EdePopede> not too much. only the usual sourcings
and the case at the end
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628 [03:33:59] <EdePopede> it works after renaming, so the script
is not the problem
629 [03:34:06] <agio> hi, does anyone know how to tell when the
last time apt local cache was updated?
630 [03:34:19] <EdePopede> it's not even used when it has
the same name as the binary
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634 [03:34:41] <kovaks> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
635 [03:34:41] <kovaks> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
636 [03:34:41] <kovaks> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
637 [03:34:41] <kovaks> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
638 [03:34:41] <kovaks> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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640 [03:34:48] <sigalot> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
641 [03:34:48] <sigalot> I would like to notify all NGINX users
to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
642 [03:34:48] <sigalot> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
643 [03:34:48] <sigalot> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
644 [03:34:48] <sigalot> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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648 [03:35:05] <opel> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
649 [03:35:06] <opel> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
650 [03:35:06] <opel> because Sysoev declared the end of project.
He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
651 [03:35:06] <opel> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
652 [03:35:06] <opel> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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655 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent
the #nginx community as its leader
656 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> I would like to notify all NGINX users
to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
657 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
658 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
659 [03:35:08] <bot_cakep> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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664 [03:36:13] <toye> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
665 [03:36:13] <toye> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
666 [03:36:13] <toye> because Sysoev declared the end of project.
He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
667 [03:36:13] <toye> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
668 [03:36:13] <toye> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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670 [03:36:17] <ksk> some people do seem to have too much
freetime :/
671 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> Hey, I am vandermar and I
represent the #nginx community as its leader
672 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> I would like to notify all NGINX
users to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
673 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> because Sysoev declared the end
of project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
674 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> across all the open source
software community, including this channel. Thank you for your
attention!
675 [03:36:28] <lampungSelatan> /JOIN #nginx for more information
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677 [03:37:02] <ksk> dpkg: ops we have a little spamming issue
here.
678 [03:37:03] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
ksk complains about a problem (see above)
679 [03:37:11] <EdePopede> more free time than braincells
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685 [03:37:56] <ogata> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
686 [03:37:56] <ogata> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
687 [03:37:56] <ogata> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
688 [03:37:56] <ogata> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
689 [03:37:56] <ogata> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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693 [03:38:20] <carper> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
694 [03:38:20] <carper> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
695 [03:38:20] <carper> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
696 [03:38:20] <carper> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
697 [03:38:20] <carper> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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708 [03:40:31] <hooker> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
709 [03:40:31] <hooker> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
710 [03:40:31] <hooker> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
711 [03:40:31] <hooker> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
712 [03:40:31] <hooker> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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716 [03:40:36] <sarminto> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
717 [03:40:36] <sarminto> I would like to notify all NGINX users
to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
718 [03:40:36] <sarminto> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
719 [03:40:36] <sarminto> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
720 [03:40:36] <sarminto> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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724 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent
the #nginx community as its leader
725 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> I would like to notify all NGINX users
to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
726 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
727 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
728 [03:40:42] <vgjloealo> /JOIN #nginx for more information,
p.s. this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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731 [03:40:48] <caspar> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
732 [03:40:48] <caspar> I would like to notify all NGINX users to
urgently update to Apache or any other software,
733 [03:40:48] <caspar> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
734 [03:40:48] <caspar> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
735 [03:40:48] <caspar> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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752 [03:43:02] <indomitable> casplol what
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756 [03:43:12] <indomitable> this caspar dude is a troll
757 [03:43:14] <indomitable> no doubt
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759 [03:43:18] <indomitable> nginx is not dying
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761 [03:43:52] <JonHanDin> Can you hear me?
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764 [03:44:17] <agio> (re-posting due to spam) does anyone know
how to tell when the last time apt local cache was updated?
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766 [03:44:29] <perlman> Hey, I am vandermar and I represent the
#nginx community as its leader
767 [03:44:29] <perlman> I would like to notify all NGINX users
to urgently update to Apache or any other software,
768 [03:44:29] <perlman> because Sysoev declared the end of
project. He asked us, #nginx staff, to spread this message
769 [03:44:29] <perlman> across all the open source software
community, including this channel. Thank you for your attention!
770 [03:44:29] <perlman> /JOIN #nginx for more information, p.s.
this is a mass advertisement so PM me directly by typing /msg
vandemar hey
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773 [03:45:10] <milkt> what is going on here
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776 [03:45:20] <EdePopede> agio: i'd look into
/var/cache/apt
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783 [03:46:31] <finisher> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
784 [03:46:31] <finisher> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
785 [03:46:31] <finisher> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
786 [03:46:31] <finisher> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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790 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
791 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
792 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
793 [03:46:37] <fcqjgjd> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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795 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
796 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> nginx project is ended, /msg
vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
797 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
798 [03:46:45] <carayannopoulos> nginx project is ended, /msg
vandemar NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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800 [03:46:48] <agio> for the srcpackage.bin file?
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807 [03:47:32] <margetts> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or
indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
808 [03:47:32] <margetts> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
809 [03:47:32] <margetts> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
810 [03:47:32] <margetts> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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814 [03:47:35] <ksk> agio: not sure if what you want is possible.
Do you have another, real question hiding behind your inital one? ;)
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816 [03:47:37] <trooper> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or
indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
817 [03:47:37] <trooper> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
818 [03:47:37] <trooper> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
819 [03:47:37] <trooper> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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821 [03:47:40] <EdePopede> agio: is newer here than ctime of the
latest package, so maybe yes
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823 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or
indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
824 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
825 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
826 [03:47:45] <windowsXP> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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830 [03:47:51] <zwiers> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or
indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
831 [03:47:51] <zwiers> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
832 [03:47:51] <zwiers> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
833 [03:47:51] <zwiers> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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835 [03:47:52] <ghassani> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people (such as EdePopede or
indomitable) who think they are smart, ignore these
836 [03:47:52] <ghassani> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
837 [03:47:52] <ghassani> Rumors like "nginx is not
dying" come from autistic people who think they are smart,
ignore these
838 [03:47:52] <ghassani> nginx project is ended, /msg vandemar
NEED HELP WITH NGINX for more information
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1072 [04:28:40] <ksk> what does the mode do that mr-mill set? I
understand +q, but what does that mask do?
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1077 [04:33:21] <themill> ksk: $ means extended ban syntax, ~ is
not, a means registered.
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1199 [04:49:11] <schulidr> clear
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1203 [04:49:38] <schulidr> whoops lol wrong terminal
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1223 [04:57:20] <_Random_> hi guys, I'm not much of a techie,
I had to make a USB windows installer img, I don't use windows,
I had to repair a relatives PC with it. But I wish to save the usb
img as an ISO so I don't have to go through this process again.
how do I save this as an iso on my linux p
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1226 [04:58:15] <ksk> !dd
1227 [04:58:15] <dpkg> hmm... dd is an abbreviation for Debian
Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of
raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a
bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a
CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>,
<gddrescue>. <pv>
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1229 [04:58:56] <ksk> there might be more fancy tools, but dd
should do it.
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1233 [05:01:47] <_Random_> thanks
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1335 [06:25:20] <bigMouthCommie> so. my dad, who is blind, had an
emphatic reaction to hearing espeak: "i don't want to
listen to stephen hawking"
1336 [06:25:28] <bigMouthCommie> there may have been explicatives
too
1337 [06:25:33] <bigMouthCommie> i found the voice variants, but i
don't know how to get espeak to use them when i'm running
emacspeak.
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1339 [06:25:41] <bigMouthCommie> is there a system-wide config i
can use to declare --voices=female7
1340 [06:26:06] <bigMouthCommie> or does anyone know if i can
config emacspeak to call espeak with --voices=female7 ?
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1354 [06:42:59] <kanliot> bigMouthCommie, i would look at the
documentation for the software that uses espeak. i don't think
you're actually using espeak
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1359 [06:45:44] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot, i'm using
emacspeak, which asked me which tts engine to use. i told it to use
espeak
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1361 [06:47:25] <kanliot> did you google changing voice in
emacspeak?
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1386 [07:17:46] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot of course
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1390 [07:19:59] <kanliot> did you set dtk-default-voice?
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1394 [07:20:22] <kanliot> honestly im guessing here
1395 [07:20:29] <kanliot> there's a bunch of things to seet
1396 [07:20:31] <kanliot> set
1397 [07:22:07] <bigMouthCommie> well i'm not using a
dectalk, i 'm using espeak
1398 [07:22:13] <bigMouthCommie> and there are a million voices to
set
1399 [07:22:21] <bigMouthCommie> srsly its intimidating
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1417 [07:39:37] <kanliot> spend 10 more minutes on it, then ask on
the mailing list
1418 [07:39:41] <kanliot> bigMouthCommie,
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1457 [08:18:21] <bigMouthCommie> kanliot: thanx
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1485 [08:51:51] <COOurb> I wanna move my system from hdd to ssd
lesser size. What hsould I do?
1486 [08:52:28] <COOurb> My system is installed on software raid
1487 [08:52:37] <nkuttler> install os, copy files?
1488 [08:52:38] <COOurb> and now I have only one of the raid
vlumes
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1490 [08:52:47] <COOurb> I mean, withour installing os
1491 [08:53:10] <nkuttler> why? probably faster anyway..
1492 [08:53:27] <COOurb> Too many tp configure
1493 [08:53:30] <COOurb> to*
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1530 [09:33:19] <madprops> can deb9 make me happy?
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1557 [10:00:29] <skankhunt> how do i install keepassxc on stable?
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1563 [10:05:08] <babilen> judd: v keepassxc
1564 [10:05:09] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 --
stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1;
sid: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1
1565 [10:05:17] <babilen> skankhunt: You can grab it from
stretch-backports ^
1566 [10:05:50] <babilen>
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1572 [10:09:49] <skankhunt> thank you babilen :)
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1582 [10:15:03] <skankhunt> does anyone know if it is possible to
install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on testing?
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1585 [10:17:39] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
1586 [10:17:40] <judd> Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver on
amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 304.137-0~deb8u1;
stretch-backports/non-free: 304.137-5~bpo9+1; stretch/non-free:
304.137-5~deb9u1; sid/non-free: 304.137-7
1587 [10:18:16] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
1588 [10:18:17] <judd> Backporting package
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sid→stretch/amd64: all
build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
1589 [10:18:31] <nkuttler> !tell skankhunt about ssbp
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1591 [10:19:03] <nkuttler> in your case you'd do that in
testing. you can maybe even simply install the sid package..
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1593 [10:21:27] <skankhunt> i tried to upgrade to testing from
stable by changing sources.list nvidia 304 didn't work then
1594 [10:21:41] <skankhunt> are you sure it will work using this
method
1595 [10:22:19] <skankhunt> and is there a reason why this driver
is available on sid but on testing
1596 [10:23:27] <nkuttler> dude..
1597 [10:23:49] <nkuttler> why do you "upgrade" to
testing if you can't fix such problems :\
1598 [10:23:54] <nkuttler> !debian-next
1599 [10:23:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1601 [10:24:55] <skankhunt> i didnt know that at the the time, im
on stable now
1602 [10:25:53] <skankhunt> i read that testing is stable enough
for daily use ,that's why i had upgraded
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1612 [10:29:44] <babilen> skankhunt: If you run testing you can
just pull in the packages from sid (in fact you often have to) --
Given that buster is nearing the end of its release cycle you might
want to evaluate your choice of platform though. If you plan to
track buster in the future (rather than testing), it would make
sense to look into backporting the package
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1632 [10:39:57] <skankhunt> nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver isn't
supported by any other distros,will debian keep supporting it?
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1636 [10:41:56] <sambian> skankhunt: what's your problem ?
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1639 [10:42:55] <skankhunt> i want to know if
nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver will be supported in future releases
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1649 [10:50:55] <furrymcgee> what is meaning of debconf: delaying
package configuration, since apt-utils is not installed?
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1660 [10:58:36] <agio> probably your package is installe - but not
yet config scripts have run
1661 [10:59:00] <agio> does anyone know how to enable xml
extension for php?
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1744 [11:50:24] <r00tobo> yesterday I was asking about Intel
Integrated GPU for 9th gen.
1745 [11:50:42] <r00tobo> after some digging I found this
replaced-url
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1747 [11:50:57] <r00tobo> meaning that CoffeeLake is already
supported since 4.15
1748 [11:51:28] <r00tobo> since the official kernel for Debian
buster is 4.19 then I can say that 9th gen Integrated GPU will work
just fine ?
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1753 [11:55:18] <Vesog> whats there to lose if you try
1754 [11:55:33] <Vesog> shkoni tek netedy ju nimfat e tzarit
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1775 [12:08:37] <shtrb> Will dist-upgrade from stretch to buster
force move to wayland ?
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1777 [12:09:14] <shtrb> asking because seen that wayland will be
default at
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1785 [12:14:44] <ayekat> shtrb: that's about what GNOME will
use by default - but AFAIK one can always choose between the two
1786 [12:15:23] <shtrb> I get it, but I'm asking dist-upgrade
wise
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1808 [12:32:01] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Besides Konsole and Gnome
Terminal (and derived ones), do we know of any other terminal
emulators that support overline escape sequence? So far, rxvt, xterm
and pangoterm don't
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1945 [14:21:08] <shtrb> Are the cache files for firefox's
html5 player (I was watching a show, wish to replay it without
internet access ) ?
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1977 [14:49:39] <afidegnum> hello, what is the best utility to
backup my linux image?
1978 [14:49:48] <afidegnum> using debien 98
1979 [14:49:51] <afidegnum> 9
1980 [14:50:05] <dvs> clonezilla?
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1984 [14:52:42] <afidegnum> ok
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2000 [15:03:15] <HelloShitty> Hi
2001 [15:03:29] <HelloShitty> Anyone here knows a bit about shell
scripting?
2002 [15:03:48] <HelloShitty> I'm writing a small and basic
script but I'm getting an error I can't fix
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2005 [15:05:44] <abrotman> There's a whole #bash
2006 [15:06:22] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks
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2008 [15:07:14] <pagetelegram> Looking for a console only debian
app....everyone I looked up requires X11...any suggestions? Running
on a Pocket CHIP jessie
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2010 [15:07:21] <pagetelegram> *bible app
2011 [15:08:00] <abrotman> pagetelegram: apt-cache search bible?
2012 [15:08:36] <pagetelegram> Will I know which one's are
console framebuffer only?
2013 [15:09:22] <abrotman> you can read the description and
requirements
2014 [15:09:35] <pagetelegram> thank you
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2028 [15:26:59] <Bodiro> What does ist mean when a package is
named with dfsg? E.g. virtualbox_6.0.6-dfsg-2_amd64.deb
2029 [15:27:37] <themill> it means that the dodgy source provided
by the upstream developers has been cleaned up to comply with the
DFSG
2030 [15:27:40] <themill> !DFSG
2031 [15:27:40] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, which are explained at
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2035 [15:29:39] <Bodiro> themill: thank you for your clear answer!
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2042 [15:32:01] <Bodiro> dpkg: I knew the meaning of dfsg, but was
uncertain of the special meaning in package-names. Nevertheless,
thanks, too.
2043 [15:32:02] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, Bodiro
2044 [15:33:15] <Bodiro> Oh, sorry - it is a bot, LOL - I am not
so familiar with this rooms bots.
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2067 [15:51:49] <tsujp> Has anyone here successfully built AND run
vdo on debian? I'm having some trouble. Would love some
assistance if possible
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2075 [15:56:02] <wald0> anybody else experiencing kernel CRASHES
by simply using a FS in reiser3 ?
2076 [15:56:16] <wald0> 4.19-0-4-amd64 (buster)
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2079 [15:58:40] <wald0> how i should report the bug?
2080 [15:59:13] <root2> hello
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2085 [16:03:26] <blackswan> has somebody developed some magical
tool that i can download that will show me a graphical view of my
apt dependency problems? i'm hoping the answer is yes and
somebody will tell me where it is. it's a small hope, but a
hope nevertheless.
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2092 [16:05:21] <cousin_luigi> Good afternoon.
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2096 [16:06:16] <tsujp> Anyone got this compiled for debian and
able to run it yet?
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2101 [16:08:09] <wald0> blackswan: apt-get -f install
2102 [16:08:27] <wald0> blackswan: if doesn't solve, apt-get
remove (every package shown in the previous errors)
2103 [16:08:33] <wald0> blackswan: dont' mix reops
2104 [16:08:35] <wald0> repos*
2105 [16:08:43] <pagetelegram> trying to get syntax correct for
console program from package bible-kjv I just want to set to a
specific book chapter:verse, I tried syntax specified and get stuck
in Genesis regardless.
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2108 [16:09:50] <blackswan> wald0: all good advice, but tangential
to the question i asked. i'm not asking for help with the
dependency problem, i'm asking if there is a nifty tool around
that might let one view such things graphically
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2111 [16:11:32] <gour> yesterday 've installed buster on my
desktop and NM does not render proper icon for 'wired
connected' connenction - it shows '?' instead. any
hint?
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2113 [16:11:46] <themill> blackswan: when the objective is to not
create such problems, such tools are not needed and hence I
don't know of any
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2115 [16:12:32] <blackswan> yeah, i guess there's no market
for it.
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2118 [16:15:21] <blackswan> a general tool for visualizing and
manipulating a dependency graph might be a thing
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2124 [16:20:55] <EdePopede> debtree and dot at least show
dependencies of individual packages. comparing still would be to be
done manually. or by using some scripts on the .dot files.
2125 [16:21:59] <EdePopede> or with SVG output directly on the
image, but this seems like some work
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2128 [16:22:26] <themill> visualising a tree is straightforward
enough. I don't know how you'd visualise problems in it
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2132 [16:23:59] <EdePopede> version incompabilities?
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2140 [16:31:33] <cousin_luigi> Have alioth pages been moved
somewhere else?
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2149 [16:36:04] <themill> cousin_luigi: some are now served by
salsa gitlab pages.
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2152 [16:37:10] <tsujp> Can anyone possibly help me out with this?
replaced-url
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2156 [16:38:24] <cousin_luigi> themill: Thanks. Not there though.
2157 [16:38:55] <cousin_luigi> Looking for the xtrace homepage
btw. Wherever the development takes place.
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2234 [17:43:58] <ryouba> how do i find out what the reason of
"/etc/init.d/networking start" failing is? still not used
to systemd occultism :(
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2236 [17:44:20] <ryouba> (no, "journalctl -xn" does not
give helpful information)
2237 [17:45:11] <ksk> ryouba: bad things in e/n/i most likely.
there really is no debug info for that as far as I know.
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2239 [17:45:17] <ksk> maybe share your interfaces file
2240 [17:45:18] <ksk> !paste
2241 [17:45:18] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
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2243 [17:47:17] <ryouba> ksk:
replaced-url
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2246 [17:47:41] <ryouba> (can't paste right now because no
ssh because no network)
2247 [17:48:20] <ksk> a little hard to tell if you blur out
details. looks fine so far Id say
2248 [17:48:25] <ksk> did you try a reboot?
2249 [17:48:40] <ksk> iirc networking can be in such conditions
networking restart does not bring it up - but a reboot can.
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2251 [17:49:04] <ksk> also, Id suggest commenting out everything
but your primary interface, and try if that works.
2252 [17:49:07] <ryouba> ksk: the details are, from top to bottom:
public IP, 255.255.255.255, hypervisor IP, hypervisor IP.
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2254 [17:49:38] <ryouba> ksk: my frustration is mostly with not
being able to help myself. if e.g. that file's syntax is
faulty, how do i find out on a system with systemd?
2255 [17:50:31] <ryouba> aaaaaaaaha!
2256 [17:50:41] <ryouba> ksk: thank you very much! indeed, the
reboot solved the problem!
2257 [17:50:46] <ksk> as I said, you dont. I suppose e/n/i is 1980
and has no (useful) debugging mechanics. you could try to manually
take up an interface via "ifup ethX" which could give some
information
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2260 [17:51:01] <ksk> !next
2261 [17:51:02] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
2262 [17:51:16] <tds> the systemd equivalent would be systemctl
start networking, and you can systemctl status networking.service or
journalctl -u networking.service to get some log output from it
2263 [17:51:30] <tds> but it's just running ifup for you, so
running that by hand works fine as well :)
2264 [17:52:18] <ryouba> ksk: well, before systemd, you did get a
message indicating if the file syntax was faulty, or, for example,
the syntax was ok, but the contents were nonsensical. i can't
believe systemd doesn't offer a way to still see the output
from (trying to parse|parsing) that file?
2265 [17:52:34] <tds> doing live changes with ifupdown is also not
especially trivial, you might want to look at ifupdown2 if
that's something you need
2266 [17:52:39] <ryouba> aha!
2267 [17:52:50] <ryouba> so "ifup eth0" for debugging?
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2269 [17:53:03] <tds> sure - though keep in mind that'll fail
if eth0 is already up and configured
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2271 [17:53:24] <tds> if it doesn't come up cleanly on
reboot, systemctl status networking is going to be what you want
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2275 [17:54:58] <ksk> should have to do nothing with systemd, I
always found "networking" error messages not too helpful.
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2298 [18:03:01] <nubie> exit
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2300 [18:03:17] <pfred1> stage right
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2303 [18:04:02] <nubie> sorry, need some advice is there anything
i can check if debian could not get ip from public hotspot(with
login page)
2304 [18:04:41] <nubie> i tried to connect my debian to wifi
hotspot hotel in the network manager it just rolling loading
2305 [18:05:05] <nubie> when i checked from ifconfig it just like
not get the ip
2306 [18:05:21] <nubie> when using my android it can connect
though
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2314 [18:07:37] <grobi> hi guys :)
2315 [18:07:47] <ksk> nubie: did you set network manager to use
dhcp?
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2318 [18:08:52] <grobi> i got following promptet after updateE:
The repository 'replaced-url
2319 [18:09:30] <nubie> yes ksk
2320 [18:09:41] <nubie> i use network manager
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2322 [18:10:09] <ksk> dont tell the grey cat, but what happens if
you do "dhclient $wifi-interface" in a root shell?
2323 [18:10:50] <ksk> Im not a desktop guy, so I really dont know
anything about NM :(
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2325 [18:11:52] <grobi> i was looking at 'man
apt-secure' then but didn't not get smarter afterwards...
can someone tellme what to do, please?
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2327 [18:12:16] <rm-rfchik> how firefox know default font name? In
preferences I see "default (Hack)", how FF knows about
Hack?
2328 [18:12:32] <nubie> just loading and then nothing from command
dhclient wlps20
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2344 [18:22:37] <wald0> why my user in buster cannot
"ping" or run "dmesg" ? how i can make it
working?
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2357 [18:34:36] <pfred1> wald0 you can grant your user permissions
in the sudoers file if you use sudo
2358 [18:34:37] <ksk> iirc buster changed from setuid ping to some
other method, mhhm.
2359 [18:34:57] <ksk> capabilities If Im not mistaken.
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2361 [18:36:07] <wald0> mmh, yeah i actually use sudo but damn, is
frustrating typing sudo everytime just for ping
2362 [18:36:28] <pfred1> yeah you can just fix that in sudoers
2363 [18:36:39] <jmcnaught> wald0: dmesg is root only starting
with stretch, '/msg dpkg dmesg' has a link to a bug report
about it
2364 [18:36:54] <pfred1> yeah it's annoying
2365 [18:37:05] <ksk> wald0:
replaced-url
2366 [18:37:34] <pfred1> if I'm doing that sort of thing
myself I just start an interactive root terminal
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2369 [18:38:19] <pfred1> because sudo this and sudo that does get
old fast for me too
2370 [18:38:55] <pfred1> so I do one sudo -i and just do all the
root commands there
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2382 [18:51:00] <furrymcgee> !dmesg_restrict
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2415 [19:16:44] <qman__> I'm having trouble with the debian
installer environment not setting search domains in resolv.conf
(from DHCP)
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2419 [19:17:36] <qman__> alpine linux sets it just fine, so
I've confirmed my configuration works
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2425 [19:20:04] <qman__> I'm setting both domain-name and
domain-search options
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2430 [19:21:45] <qman__> I've also confirmed that both debian
and ubuntu installers have the same problem, so I'm guessing
there's either some extra configuration I need to set for the
debian installer, or it's a bug
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2433 [19:24:21] <qman__> the reason it's an issue is I'm
trying to use preseeding on more than one network, with the preseed
files at different IPs, so I need short DNS names to work
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2519 [20:09:43] <jhutchins> qman__: How many machines are you
building?
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2544 [20:23:58] <qman__> jhutchins: it's hard to say, but the
purpose is to have an automated pxe install environment, for
combination VM infrastructure and physical servers
2545 [20:24:20] <qman__> I have it all working if I specify an IP,
but by doing that, I can only have one subnet work at a time
2546 [20:24:33] <qman__> there are ways to hack around this, but
really, search domains should just work, and they don't
2547 [20:25:16] <GNU\colossus> search domains are a hack
themselves in my book ;)
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2612 [21:01:29] <ryouba> oh my
2613 [21:01:42] <ryouba> guys/gals please don't slaughter me
for this, but ...
2614 [21:01:52] <ryouba> how do you install apache2 on a wheezy
box?
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2616 [21:02:04] <ryouba> i inadvertently removed it and can't
get it installed again
2617 [21:02:10] <ksk> !archive
2618 [21:02:11] <dpkg> methinks archive is a collection of files.
'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving
tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate
operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian
releases, see
replaced-url
2619 [21:02:26] <ksk> look at the last point of that sentence ;)
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2621 [21:02:40] <ryouba> ksk: yes, that's my only repo ...
main, non-free, contrib
2622 [21:02:53] <ryouba> BUT ... "apache2 : Depends:
apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.2.22-13+deb7u6) but it is not going to be
installed or" (and some others)
2623 [21:03:06] <humpled> apache on wheezy huh
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2626 [21:03:16] <ksk> also, you should really upgrade.
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2628 [21:03:48] <ryouba> ksk: yes, after i fix this. that was kind
of like the plan...
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2631 [21:04:40] <ryouba> oh ... i have an idea!
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2633 [21:04:53] <ryouba> is there a way to list all packages that
are NOT from the currently active repositories?
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2638 [21:05:28] <ryouba> (this server was abused a lot over the
past 11 years, need to be creative when you **** something up)
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2641 [21:06:33] <ryouba> aaah!
2642 [21:06:35] <ryouba> libaprutil1
2643 [21:06:38] <ryouba> was the culprit
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2647 [21:07:32] <ryouba> oooooooph ... working again ... *wipes
sweat off forehead*
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2653 [21:09:27] <shalok> Can I get someone to paste the output of
this command please?: TERM=xterm tput kcuu1 | od -An -tx1
2654 [21:09:54] <shalok> I'm wondering if my machine's
terminfo database got messed up somehow...
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2664 [21:13:39] <shalok> nm, got it from ideone:
replaced-url
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2705 [21:32:15] <nkuttler> hrm, how would i configure an apt proxy
dynamically? make APT_CONFIG dynamic for root/sudo?
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2716 [21:39:24] <rant> when I did ssh-agent add .ssh/id_ecdsa it
says "Could not add identity ".ssh/id_ecdsa":
communication with agent failed" I have /usr/bin/ssh-agent
mate-session running as my user
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2722 [21:42:12] <rant>
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-9WWlq1kjxSOE/agent.4004 SSH_AGENT_PID=4005
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2761 [22:00:15] <w1d3m0d3> is there a debian-testing specific
chan?
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2767 [22:02:19] <ksk> !debian-next
2768 [22:02:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2769 [22:02:30] <w1d3m0d3> okay gotya
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2772 [22:03:05] <ksk> nkuttler: set HTTP_PROXY via bashrc?
2773 [22:03:43] <RoyK> or http_proxy
2774 [22:03:55] <RoyK> iirc it must be in lower case
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2776 [22:04:03] <ksk> ah okay, I tend to mess that up :)
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2779 [22:05:18] <RoyK> ksk: and https_proxy
2780 [22:05:26] <nkuttler> apt respects http_proxy?
2781 [22:05:34] <ksk> sure.
2782 [22:05:38] <RoyK> last I checked
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2786 [22:07:29] <nkuttler> i don't think apt-cacher-ng is a
generic http proxy though
2787 [22:07:40] <ksk> it totally is not.
2788 [22:08:06] <ksk> protip: setup nginx caching proxy, pointing
to the repos. use that in your sources.list
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2790 [22:08:15] <nkuttler> mmh
2791 [22:08:28] <ksk> will totally outperform apt-cacher-ng, if
that also is an issue ;)
2792 [22:08:45] <nkuttler> nah, it's just at home, but
i'll look into it
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2796 [22:10:37] <bora> hi all I would lie to ask something about
Systemd
2797 [22:10:50] <galtj> hi, what to do if apt-get sources.list
gets out of date?
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2799 [22:11:06] <ksk> galtj: context?
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2801 [22:11:36] <galtj> i'm on wheezy, but apt-get stopped
working
2802 [22:11:43] <galtj> and it seems to be outdated
2803 [22:11:45] <ksk> !archive
2804 [22:11:45] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is
a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar',
'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as
compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the
repository for old Debian releases, see
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2805 [22:11:56] <bora> why debian is using systemd ? Because lots
of people said that it is buggy
2806 [22:11:56] <ksk> !debian archives
2807 [22:11:58] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported
releases at
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2808 [22:12:09] <ksk> galtj: archives for you.
2809 [22:12:37] <bora> or do you advice devuan which is the debian
forks
2810 [22:12:40] <ksk> bora: because the people in charge think its
better than what we had before - And I mostly agree.
2811 [22:12:49] <galtj> ksk: i need to upgrade i think
2812 [22:12:52] <ksk> we do not advice devuan in here, its a
debian support channel
2813 [22:12:56] <ksk> galtj: I think so, too.
2814 [22:12:58] <ksk> !devuan
2815 [22:12:58] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
2816 [22:13:15] <galtj> ksk: right, what should i put in my
apt-get sources.list?
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2818 [22:13:39] <ksk> galtj: I suppse the links in the faqtoid
will lead you to that answer.
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2820 [22:14:35] <galtj> ksk: can i put jessie the sources.list
2821 [22:14:45] <galtj> and then do the upgrade?
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2823 [22:15:13] <ksk> you should first update to the latest state
of wheezy I suppose, if you have not yet. But yes.
2824 [22:15:14] <bora> ksk : you agree with systemd haters
2825 [22:15:20] <ksk> !tell galtj about wheezy->jessie
2826 [22:15:36] <ksk> bora: did you not read what I said? No, I do
not.
2827 [22:15:59] <galtj> thx
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2829 [22:16:26] <bora> ksk : mm ok ksk this is my fault
2830 [22:16:29] <bora> sorry
2831 [22:16:42] <ksk> bora: have you ever written a systemd
service defintion? Its superior to any sys-v-rc foo if you asked
me..
2832 [22:16:52] <cybercrypto> galtj: apt is the second command
line based front provided by APT which overcomes some design
mistakes of apt-get. Slowly apt-get will get phased-out perhaps.
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2836 [22:19:29] <bora> no I did not write any systemd service
definition . I just ask .Thats all
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2838 [22:19:40] <bora> thanks for information ksk
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2840 [22:22:39] <humpled> i just edited one to have an autologin
on one tty, it was pretty similar to doing it in /etc/inittab, just
as easy anyway
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2842 [22:25:14] <galtj> cybercrypto: ok, so its "apt"
now
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2844 [22:26:55] <ksk> I suppose this was the intention of
aptitude, too? :P
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2846 [22:27:13] <humpled> aptitude has an ncurses interface
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2855 [22:30:13] <EdePopede> if systemd is so superior i'm
still wondering why it took me only 1 minute to get my webfsd
started without any problems using copies of the sysv-rc and the
config after i tried several times with systemd and it refused to
cooperate.
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2866 [22:32:30] <ksk> must be you :>
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2872 [22:33:58] <ksk> also, there is a debian packages. does it
not come with a systemd unit file?
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2878 [22:35:27] <ksk>
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2881 [22:36:21] <galtj> compiling computer..................
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2885 [22:45:25] <jhutchins> ksk: Not everything's migrated.
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2887 [22:46:14] <ksk> thats why I asked - it does though, just a
buggy one it seems.
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2900 [22:57:36] <ross`> Hello! Does anyone know how to get a uvc
capture device working! :)
2901 [22:57:42] <ross`> ross@coffee:~$ uvccapture
2902 [22:57:43] <ross`> Unable to set format: 16. Init v4L2 failed
!! exit fatal
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2914 [23:04:16] <rant> you know.. you can change windows in irssi
doing
2915 [23:04:29] <rant> ECHAN :P
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2924 [23:13:52] <pfred1> rant I use ALT+#
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2930 [23:16:25] <rant> pfred1: yes well Esc+# works, as does
Ctrl+P/N, Alt+Left/Right, /# etc..
2931 [23:16:55] <ksk> alt+left/right - did not know, nice!
2932 [23:17:01] <pfred1> rant how about that i never knew about
the arrows
2933 [23:17:25] <rant> and the Esc/Alt+# thing it wraps all the
way down all the letter keys work too for windows above 10
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2935 [23:18:43] <rant> the letter keys are windows 11-35
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2937 [23:19:31] <rant> erm 36 even
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2941 [23:20:29] <rant> though for all I know some of the
non-letter keys might work.. I dont really use more than 20 windows
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2945 [23:22:15] <pfred1> 4 is my limit
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2948 [23:23:52] <annadane> someone remind me how to install a
stable version of a package as opposed to the backported one i have
installed?
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2951 [23:24:13] <ksk> downgrading might, or might not work,
depending on the package.
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2953 [23:24:29] <annadane> i'm aware, i'm just looking
for the syntax
2954 [23:24:55] <annadane> i think it's just apt install
foo/stretch
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2956 [23:25:14] <annadane> yeah that's it
2957 [23:25:17] <ksk> annadane: -t might also do, not sure.
2958 [23:25:17] <annadane> answered my own question
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2968 [23:34:07] <jhutchins> annadane: So that last one you posted
is it?
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