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9[00:05:05] <efloid> it would be cool if you could use a lambda expression to average the value of all CPUs in greycat's code: bash -c 'while sleep .5; do read freq < /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; printf "%04d\r" $((freq/1024)); done'
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13[00:10:03] <efloid> here's something really cool replaced-url
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16[00:10:39] <SRK1> hi Everyone
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18[00:11:21] <SRK1> hi can anyone suggest me with gcc command i am stuck get some error
19[00:11:52] <SRK1> i mean i am getting error message after using GCC command ...?
20[00:12:19] <awal1> dpkg: tell SRK1 about bat
21[00:13:12] <SRK1> when i try to run ....gcc 643-fixed.c -o slmail-linux
22[00:13:21] <jscoder> SRK1: paste output on paste.debian.net
23[00:13:56] <SRK1> error: unknown type name ‘define’
24[00:13:56] <SRK1> define retadd "\x8f\x35\x4a\x5f" /*JMP ESP in SLMFC.dll 0x5f4a358f*/
25[00:13:56] <SRK1> ^~~~~~
26[00:13:56] <SRK1> 643-fixed.c:12:15: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before string constant
27[00:13:56] <SRK1> define retadd "\x8f\x35\x4a\x5f" /*JMP ESP in SLMFC.dll 0x5f4a358f*/
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49[00:21:57] <TheChubu> does anybody knows in which package gnome themes are placed? (ie Adwaita)
50[00:22:16] <TheChubu> i need Adwaita gtk3 but Xfce installs gtk2 version only.
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57[00:23:33] <jscoder> SRK1: your issue isn't really a debian issue, the code is buggy. If you tell us more about what you're doing maybe we can at least redirect you to someone who can help
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59[00:24:00] <SRK1> jscode
60[00:24:53] <SRK1> jscoder i am trying to complete fixing the exploit topic and after i add the payload i get this error message,
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62[00:25:20] <bazhang> SRK1, a dll?
63[00:25:21] <jscoder> I seen a bit of the message, the code is buggy, the keyword define is used improperly
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65[00:25:35] <SRK1> I know i may be doing something wrong but totally lost
66[00:26:16] <jscoder> SRK1: I'm at a loss what you mean about "exploit topic" and "payload" what is the problem you're trying to fix exactly?
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68[00:27:28] <nabblet> n4dir: problem is that i will probalby have a hard time getting the rasicam up and running. So far I tried ubuntu on raspi already. even got raspicam working. but it suddenly stopped working. I suspect an update but have no hard evidence.
69[00:27:37] <jscoder> SRK1: you're clearly in the wrong place, there are programming channels that can help debug the code, but you're probably going about the problem all wrong in the first place. So we need to rewind back to the original issue to help you best
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72[00:28:02] <SRK1> cool
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74[00:28:17] <TheChubu> gnome-themes-standard-data it seems. title says it contains gtk2 themes, but it also contains gtk3 css stuff.
75[00:28:19] <SRK1> which channgel i should follow please advise me jscoder
76[00:28:48] <jscoder> SRK1: yeah, cool.. so I'd start with what you are trying to fix.. what is this code you're compiling and what are you trying to fix by doing it?
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80[00:31:02] <jscoder> TheChubu: is adwaita-icon-theme perhaps what you're looking for?
81[00:31:18] <SRK1> from exploit database - i choose window-remote--643.c and 646.c and then i edit with my own payload at mentioned in the video, after adding the payload with the ip address, i try to complite it by giving command gcc i get error saying unknow
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86[00:32:53] <TheChubu> jscoder: it was in gnome-themes-standard-data. it says it only contains gtk2, but it also contains gtk3 stuff.
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89[00:33:46] <TheChubu> oh wait. hm... adwaita dark doesnt has a gtk3 file
90[00:33:48] <TheChubu> how weird
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93[00:34:33] <jscoder> TheChubu: well there is also mate in debian now which is a fork of gnome2 which also uses these things
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95[00:36:05] <jscoder> SRK1: you're testing an exploit on SLmail? this has absolutely nothing to do with debian. I'm still not clear on why you're fooling with a decade old exploit for some windows mail server to know if there is somewhere you can be directed for help
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97[00:36:32] <TheChubu> jscoder: im using Xfce. adwaita theme is the default. but some programs use gtk3, and those get the adwaita light theme, instead of the dark one.
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100[00:37:00] <Gustorn> Hello, is it okay to ask questions in this channel?
101[00:37:02] <SRK1> ok
102[00:37:28] <Gustorn> Okay thanks, One of my friends told me it is possible to install debian on my Iphone 7 I tried searching on the wiki about this but I can't find anything
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105[00:37:53] <Gustorn> Does anybody in this chat have debian on his iphone?
106[00:38:00] <Gustorn> maybe something like kali
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108[00:38:06] <SWAT> does anyone here have info on how to build an unpriviledged lxc debian container from scratch? The only option currently seems to download it from lxcontainers
109[00:38:30] <TheChubu> Gustorn: i have no idea but it seems... unlikely
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111[00:38:40] <Gustorn> It is possible on youtube
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113[00:38:55] <Gustorn> So why can't I not have sweat linux on my iphone
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119[00:39:59] <TheChubu> what do you mean by "its possible on youtube" ?
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121[00:40:16] <Gustorn> People having Ubuntu on their Iphone
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125[00:41:28] <jscoder> I once installed debian on an android but its really not all its cracked up to be, it mostly just accesses the system through a vnc viewer
126[00:41:30] <Gustorn> I was hoping to find some debian guru on this IRC the could point me the right way...
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129[00:41:56] <Gustorn> There we go jscoder gets the memo now we need it on an iphone
130[00:42:04] <Gustorn> How hard can it be?
131[00:42:29] <Gustorn> Debian would destroy all the distro's if it had iphone support...
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135[00:43:18] <stew> I wouldn't want to see other distros get destroyed so... :)
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137[00:43:44] <random_numbers> I'm not sure how you'd deal with right-click kind of stuff, and with keyboards not being an option, that limits your choice of WMs.
138[00:44:02] <Gustorn> as WM you must pick i3 on debian
139[00:44:11] <Gustorn> i3 will even work on the iphone
140[00:44:14] <random_numbers> WindowMaker could be an option, maybe that phone-like gnome.
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142[00:44:31] <jscoder> Gustorn: yeah well ios had that stuff called cydia that could install debs on a jailbroken device, it allows you use of many 3rd party apps, mouse support, etc.. but its not really a matter for #debian
143[00:44:35] <random_numbers> Gustorn: It'll work, but since phones only have virtual keyboards, it'll likely be pretty bad.
144[00:44:56] <Gustorn> i3 hype
145[00:45:01] <random_numbers> Unless you mean to use an older-style phone with an actual keyboard, but that's less common.
146[00:45:13] <Gustorn> jscoder you got a link for that stuff?
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148[00:45:28] <jscoder> Gustorn: running a desktop os on a mobile isn't really a practical idea. I've done it like I said.. its not really useful.. mobile os were created for a reason..
149[00:45:29] <random_numbers> One tends to see either smartphones or flipphones
150[00:45:36] <Gustorn> would prefer Ubunut or arch but debian is alright I guess...
151[00:45:55] <Gustorn> Everything is better than ios their spyware...
152[00:45:58] <random_numbers> jscoder: Well, it'd be appreciable to have one OS that's not overtly spying on you.
153[00:46:10] <Gustorn> I am doing some shady stuff atm can't have apple track that ;)
154[00:46:18] <random_numbers> Though that also means destroying the GSM.
155[00:46:32] <jscoder> Gustorn: see replaced-url
156[00:46:46] <Gustorn> Ubuntu supported?
157[00:46:51] <Gustorn> or does the distro not matter
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159[00:46:55] <Gustorn> debian is alright
160[00:47:07] <jscoder> random_numbers: well that may be so.. but even if the hardware supported installing debian or something, its not going to work with the hardware and still be usable as a phone on your company's network
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164[00:47:58] <Gustorn> jscoder would you do it for me if I paid you?
165[00:48:01] <jscoder> Gustorn: cydia is just like adding a 3rd party app store to your phone to install deb packages that contain software not available on itunes store. as I said, running a desktop os on a phone isn't going to work.
166[00:48:06] <random_numbers> jscoder: Probably not, given that broadband chips being capable of exploiting DMA, you have to remove it.
167[00:48:10] <Gustorn> egh 400$?
168[00:48:20] <random_numbers> s/broadband/that thing for cellphone access/
169[00:49:04] <jscoder> Gustorn: if you did get it to run natively, you wont have a phone anymore you'll have a handheld desktop that doesnt support the features as a phone.. if you run it on top of IOS you have a desktop OS that is difficult to use due to I/O, like on screen keyboard and small screen
170[00:49:10] <Gustorn> Okay jscoder how much do I have to pay you to put Arch on it with i3?
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172[00:49:43] <Gustorn> ill just pick a lightweight deskop env. no worries
173[00:49:49] <jscoder> I don't even know what i3 is, and you're as I said, way off topic for this channel, and your idea is not realistic
174[00:49:50] <Gustorn> XUbuntu or something
175[00:50:14] <Gustorn> i3 is the best WM for debian
176[00:50:25] <jscoder> its not about a lightweight desktop, ios is made the way it is to have big icons and easy to navigate software because IT IS A PHONE, not a computer
177[00:50:26] <random_numbers> Fairphone is a thing...
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179[00:50:46] <Gustorn> Don't worry I can operate the terminal
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181[00:51:00] <Gustorn> the linux terminal cd ls ... :)
182[00:51:36] <jscoder> you can install a terminal on your phone and do things like run irssi and stuff just by jailbraking it and installing 3rd party apps on the OS you already have.. thats what projects like cydia are for
183[00:51:53] <Gustorn> yeah but without debian I won't have the colours
184[00:52:43] <jscoder> I had an ipod touch 3rd gen jailbroken with cydia and I used it with synergy and could take the mouse right off my debian laptop onto the ipod
185[00:52:53] <jscoder> but I wouldn't go trying to install debian to replace IOS
186[00:52:54] <Gustorn> There we go
187[00:53:09] <Gustorn> jscoder I am taking it one step beyong
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189[00:53:16] <Gustorn> no fears just yolo
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192[00:53:39] <Gustorn> A linux debian terminal on my iphone 7 how cool is that
193[00:53:41] <jscoder> yeah you're gonna ruin the phone cause you are excited about open source software
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195[00:54:14] <Gustorn> The phone has no headphone jacket it is already ruined
196[00:54:23] <random_numbers> I'd recommend getting one of those nintendo-ds-sized computers and using that with VoIP instead. That's a more viable idea... though not exactly low-cost.
197[00:54:58] <Gustorn> nah jscoder done it on his iphone it is possible just only possible for the best debian users...
198[00:55:31] <Gustorn> a good understanding of linux and some googling will get you debian on your iphone...
199[00:55:33] <random_numbers> Gustorn: The problem is more that doing it on a standard phone is not practical.
200[00:55:47] <Gustorn> it's just like using a terminal
201[00:56:00] <Gustorn> you know windows key + T
202[00:56:35] <jscoder> I'm standing on a bridge surrounded by trolls
203[00:56:48] <Gustorn> ?
204[00:56:59] <OdinYggd> So equip your robe and wizard hat
205[00:57:02] <jscoder> that last guy was seriously trying to hack a windows mail server and came in here with an unmasked host pointing directly to his residence
206[00:57:05] <OdinYggd> and slay them with the power of perl
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208[00:57:17] <Gustorn> lol
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210[00:57:20] <random_numbers> jscoder: Heh.
211[00:57:21] <jscoder> its not even sunday yet..
212[00:57:27] <jscoder> what's wrong with you people?
213[00:57:27] <Gustorn> debain = linux kali
214[00:57:36] <OdinYggd> People being people.
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216[00:57:54] <OdinYggd> I hate people, my dream home is a small but well insulated cabin on top of a mountain far away from any form of civilization
217[00:58:00] <Gustorn> Did he manage to hack the mail server?
218[00:58:16] <Gustorn> Wow OdinYggd: what did I do to you?
219[00:58:32] <random_numbers> Hopefully he wasn't braindead enough to say if he actually did it and kept it as an 'hypothetical' thing.
220[00:58:33] <jscoder> he couldnt even get the exploit that was over a decade old mind you, to compile.. came in here asking help with GCC
221[00:58:39] <OdinYggd> lol
222[00:58:44] <OdinYggd> Gotta love skiddies
223[00:58:47] * random_numbers facepalms.
224[00:58:50] <Gustorn> haha Skid
225[00:58:51] <OdinYggd> Fortunately they're becoming less numerous
226[00:58:58] <jscoder> you should make a channel and discuss this stuff there.. hell, I'll join, this is offtopic
227[00:59:00] <OdinYggd> because they get caught more often now that IT is getting good at dealing with them
228[00:59:41] <Gustorn> nah hacking mail servers are good stuff I personally develop cheats so I think that counts as hacking aswell I guess lol
229[00:59:47] <random_numbers> "Get good or get rekt", do keep in mind that quite a few go the first way.
230[01:00:18] <random_numbers> (Of course that implies no longer being a skid but actually understanding what they're doing.)
231[01:00:18] * jscoder points at #debian-offtopic and wanders off to check on his ebook conversion
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233[01:00:25] <random_numbers> Huh, there is such a channel
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236[01:01:18] <OdinYggd> I can't help but laugh at the information security meeting I went to earlier
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238[01:01:38] <OdinYggd> Going on and on about manhattan project levels of opsec and information security
239[01:01:48] <OdinYggd> but their entire lecture was pitching emails as a secure means of communication
240[01:01:59] <OdinYggd> Had to try not to laugh
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242[01:02:37] <OdinYggd> Properly configured internal email could be, site to site within the same company over a VPN sure it might be okay
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244[01:02:47] <OdinYggd> But interacting with third party email servers? Hah!
245[01:03:00] <OdinYggd> SMTP isn't usually encrypted betwen servers
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250[01:04:51] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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252[01:05:06] <random_numbers> Between servers, which implies you trust them not to leak anything.
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254[01:05:18] <OdinYggd> Between third party email servers
255[01:05:24] <OdinYggd> Which probably are snooping because they can
256[01:05:26] <random_numbers> GPG solves the content part of the problem, but even the metadata is too much data.
257[01:05:35] <OdinYggd> And too few users use GPG
258[01:05:40] <random_numbers> Yeah.
259[01:05:45] <OdinYggd> I don't think anyone in the network I administer even knows what GPG is
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261[01:05:56] <random_numbers> Using something like that I2P email equivalent is a better idea.
262[01:06:03] <OdinYggd> Or IRC.
263[01:06:18] <random_numbers> Yeah, with OTR, though that has the problem of still not supporting group chats.
264[01:06:19] <OdinYggd> Private IRC server with SASL authentication and AES-256 encryption required
265[01:06:42] <random_numbers> Perfect Forward Secrecy is important in this case.
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270[01:08:22] <random_numbers> I think they might want to read up on the history of the Manhattan Project.
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301[01:27:02] <zykotick9> i'm trying to backup a bunch of old dvd and data-cds right now. fairly high failure rate! it's sad to see rsync's "Input/output error (5)". some are dated, burned using gnu/linux (or freebsd possibly) in 2006/2007.
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307[01:29:59] <OdinYggd> Could try ddrescue
308[01:30:14] <OdinYggd> It will take the good data first, then go back for what is hard to read
309[01:30:28] <OdinYggd> Like so it can make multiple attempts at recovering a particular piece of data
310[01:30:42] <OdinYggd> It is also able to merge multiple identical discs to create a single undamaged ISO
311[01:30:48] <petn-randall> Yeah, also works great using different DVD readers.
312[01:31:32] <hicksd> dvdisaster is handy for that and for adding redundant data when you later burn new disks
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317[01:34:00] <hiexpo> dead is dead if yourun over the disc and its mutilated lol what do you expect a miracle?
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321[01:34:37] <zykotick9> OdinYggd: petn-randall thanks. i'm gonna let rsync work away on two discs i really want data off overnight. then i'll try ddrescue <- something i've heard of.. but never used. now i have a reason! thanks again.
322[01:35:34] <OdinYggd> I use ddrescue to image hard discs industrially
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324[01:36:02] <hiexpo> zykotick9, try it
325[01:36:07] <OdinYggd> Some of the machines I work with have PC-based CNCs, these can be made to boot off of a Linux USB stick
326[01:36:15] <OdinYggd> and then run ddrescue to image the hard drive into a file on the server
327[01:36:27] <OdinYggd> that way if anything happens to the machine's computer, I can repair it and upload a known-good drive image
328[01:36:38] <hiexpo> yup
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332[01:41:21] <hiexpo> if that does not work try guymager
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345[01:47:07] * zykotick9 switched to gddrescue. he likes the real time output (was kinda surprise it's gonna make an image vs. file output) BUT with dd i guess that makes sense! thanks again everybody.
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353[01:50:43] <OdinYggd> These days I'm usually using gddrescue
354[01:50:56] <OdinYggd> Similar but not quite the same, gddrescue seems to be better documented and maintained
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363[01:56:50] <zykotick9> OdinYggd: my "apt-cache search dd resuce" with main only, lead me to gddrescue... perhaps with contrib/non-free there are other options?
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366[01:57:19] <winsen_> hi all
367[01:57:38] <OdinYggd> the other ddrescue might not even be in the repos anymore
368[01:57:50] <winsen_> do I need to replace iceweal to in stall thunderbird =firefox?
369[01:57:59] <OdinYggd> There was a different one that worked the same way but wasn't related to gddrescue at all
370[01:58:06] <winsen_> +firefox?
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374[02:00:21] <OdinYggd> I've got firefox and iceweasel installed side by side on Debian 7
375[02:00:26] <OdinYggd> Would think it remains possible on 8
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386[02:04:17] <winsen_> OdinYggd: how long are you using both?
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389[02:04:37] <OdinYggd> Just in the past 8 years
390[02:04:43] <OdinYggd> err
391[02:04:49] <OdinYggd> no, firefox + iceweasel would be the past year
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393[02:04:51] <winsen_> OdinYggd: are there any conflict/bugs...?
394[02:04:53] <OdinYggd> ddrescue would be 8 years
395[02:04:56] <OdinYggd> Nothing i've noticed
396[02:05:01] <OdinYggd> You can't run both at once obviously
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400[02:05:56] <winsen_> OdinYggd: why obviously?
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402[02:06:19] <OdinYggd> I guess they share internals or something, and recognize each other's presence.
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408[02:08:49] * zykotick9 utters - you bastards! now i have to go back and ddrescue discs - but i didn't keep track which ones had problems... so i'm starting from stratch! you bastars - thanks a million!!! :)
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411[02:09:50] <winsen_> OdinYggd: I see.
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416[02:11:45] <winsen_> OdinYggd: do you have thunderbird too?
417[02:11:53] <OdinYggd> Not on that machine
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420[02:13:26] <drith> replaced-url
421[02:13:49] <drith> sorry
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425[02:17:16] <HelloAtMega> Hello
426[02:17:23] <bazhang> hi
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428[02:17:25] <HelloAtMega> Can anyone help me with my Debian
429[02:17:32] <HelloAtMega> I'm struggling to fix something
430[02:17:38] <bazhang> ask the full question
431[02:18:17] <HelloAtMega> I was trying to compile Octave but at the end of the ./configure command, I get a warning saying that the configure proccess could not find jni.h
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433[02:18:24] <HelloAtMega> It's a Java file
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435[02:18:52] <brainspoil> your java path needs to be updated, it sounds like
436[02:19:02] <HelloAtMega> I have installed in the past several J_ava versions and so on but I ended up removing them and installing the distro version
437[02:19:12] <HelloAtMega> brainspoil: can you help me setting the path?
438[02:19:32] <HelloAtMega> Is it $JAVA_HOME?
439[02:19:41] <brainspoil> uhu
440[02:19:53] <brainspoil> that would be the first to check
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442[02:20:43] <HelloAtMega> Yes, unfortunately I'm not very experienced in those kind of settings and I'm struggling to find which folders I should consider and what env variables to consider
443[02:21:32] <HelloAtMega> If I issue "ls -lah /usr/lib/jvm/"
444[02:21:40] <HelloAtMega> I get several files and folders
445[02:21:57] <HelloAtMega> Therefore I'm not sure which one is being used by the system
446[02:23:01] <HelloAtMega> Can you help me brainspoil ?
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451[02:24:04] <brainspoil> with a name like brainspoil ? LOL
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454[02:24:48] <winsen_> how can I remove properly thunderbird, I need to reinstall it
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456[02:25:04] <brainspoil> replaced-url
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458[02:25:23] * man_in_shack waves
459[02:25:23] <brainspoil> here you go HelloAtMega enjoy
460[02:26:15] <man_in_shack> oop, nvm
461[02:26:40] <man_in_shack> was going to ask about aptitude and locales on my schmancy new C.H.I.P. running jessie
462[02:26:46] <man_in_shack> just remembered i have it connected to wifi
463[02:27:05] <man_in_shack> so i don't need to keep screwing around with the serial terminal :D
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466[02:28:37] <winsen_> any clue guys, I tried 'apt-get purge thunderbird*' it doesn't work
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483[02:40:39] <Pavr> apt-get --purge remove thunderbird*
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488[02:45:25] <mohammad-ghasemi> anyone needs a friend here?
489[02:45:34] <winsen_> how can I go to /usr/share/ by terminal?
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491[02:45:41] <HelloAtMega> brainspoil: didn't worked for me
492[02:45:47] <HelloAtMega> that link you gave me
493[02:46:06] <HelloAtMega> I did what they say there but the configure command still complains about that file
494[02:46:16] <mohammad-ghasemi> winsen_: cd /usr/share/
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496[02:47:41] <winsen_> mohammad-ghasemi: thanks, I don't know why, when I tried to go back with "cd.." it doesn't work?
497[02:48:02] <HelloAtMega> winsen_: Linux is different from Windows
498[02:48:05] <HelloAtMega> it cd ..
499[02:48:09] <HelloAtMega> and not cd..
500[02:48:19] <awal1> winsen_: btw, thunderbird isn't in debian, but icedove
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507[02:50:37] <winsen_> awall: I installed thunderbird las time, now I have a conflict once I installed firefox
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512[02:51:02] <winsen_> HelloAtMega: I know my son
513[02:51:20] <awal1> dpkg: tell winsen_ about bat
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515[02:51:42] <winsen_> "bat"?
516[02:51:58] <bazhang> winsen_, why are you crossposting this in the ubuntu channel
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518[02:53:31] <winsen_> awall: I need to reeinstall it properly, I didn't have this kind of problem before with previous apps-install
519[02:53:49] <winsen_> bazhang: sorry?
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530[02:57:00] <winsen_> bazhang: you're really have nothing to do? ...my goodness, this generation
531[02:57:46] <OdinYggd> Shouldnt be that surprising
532[02:58:20] <OdinYggd> The millenial generation has a lack of job skills and social interests, coupled with being cheated out of good jobs and good family lives
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534[02:58:28] <OdinYggd> Its going to get worse before it gets better
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536[03:00:42] <abbemsly> does anyone have gtx 970, if so, do you guys use nouveau or nvidia prop.
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541[03:02:57] <Logg> use nouveau unless you're dissatisfied with it
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547[03:05:00] <HelloAtMega> Can anyone else help me?
548[03:05:10] <HelloAtMega> About my jni.h file?
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552[03:07:02] <abbemsly> Logg what do you use?
553[03:07:04] <abbemsly> if i may ask
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563[03:11:17] <winsen_> awall, mohammad-ghasemi, thanks. good night all.
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566[03:13:01] <Logg> my last nvidia card was a 560ti, I used proprietary
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575[03:20:33] <PryMar56> OdinYggd, Augustin Cauchy lived during the French Revolution, quite a lot like a Millenial. He lived at home and his father chose his wife (daughter of the man that printed the Calculus books)
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590[03:30:49] <random_numbers> zykotick9: On debian, it is in the package 'gddrescue'
591[03:31:08] <random_numbers> That or it's just not in repos.
592[03:31:32] <random_numbers> :/
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594[03:32:00] <random_numbers> Is it best to use dvdisaster or par2?
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622[03:46:08] <zykotick9> random_numbers: yes, ddrescue is in gddresuce on debian stable :)
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626[03:48:52] <random_numbers> I generally put my files in some tar and add parity files for that tar file, then burn to disc.
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638[03:57:24] <julius> hi
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648[04:02:46] <random_numbers> Hey
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653[04:08:25] <julius> got a ssh question
654[04:08:29] <julius> random_numbers, ah...somebody alive :)
655[04:08:42] <julius> debug1: identity file /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda type 1
656[04:08:42] <julius> debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory
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659[04:10:14] <julius> i want to connect to one host with a specific key, but when i do connect with that key set in the config i get the above error. yet when i do: ls -alh /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda -rw------- 1 julius julius 1.7K Dec 17 02:59 /home/julius/.ssh/passwordless_andromeda the file is there?
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661[04:12:34] <random_numbers> What's the line in your config?
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667[04:15:48] <pennTeller> htop
668[04:15:59] <pennTeller> oops, sorry about that
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690[04:39:08] <julius> random_numbers, ah got it...the error output for the file it does not find is actually comming before it shows the file it means
691[04:39:19] <julius> random_numbers, i was missing identitiesOnly yes
692[04:40:33] <random_numbers> Good that you fixed it.
693[04:40:42] <julius> pennTeller, 1 [||||||||||||||| 40%] Tasks: 122, 543 thr; 2 running
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695[04:41:57] <julius> ah, i hate these raspberrypi guys...doing a mount /dev/sdb1 tmp gives me: /dev/sdb1 on /home/julius/tmp type vfat (rw,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro)
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697[04:42:21] <julius> where is it taking all this information from? i havent specified any of that on the command line
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706[04:51:55] <OdinYggd> mount options
707[04:52:50] <OdinYggd> vfat filesystem mounted rw with relative access times by user ID 1000, group ID 1000, fmask dmask and codepage I don't know...
708[04:53:12] <OdinYggd> errors=remount-ro means that if there is a problem it will remount it read-only for data recovery
709[04:53:22] <OdinYggd> The only part of it I'd question is why it specified that user/group combo
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718[05:03:12] <julius> OdinYggd, and where did mount get them from=?
719[05:03:22] <OdinYggd> Defaults probably
720[05:03:48] <OdinYggd> uid and gid would likely be the user who mounted the device.
721[05:04:11] <OdinYggd> fmask dmask and codepage would have to do with file access permissions, I'm not too good with them
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723[05:04:52] <OdinYggd> It needs these parameters in order to mount the filesystem, so if they are not specified using -o in the mount command it uses the defaults
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748[05:28:15] <julius> ah ok
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815[06:35:01] <elliot007> hey what is the safest way of installing latest stable ruby on debian jessie?
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823[06:39:56] <nkuttler> elliot007: upstream stable, or..?
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825[06:41:13] <elliot007> @nkuttler, currently 2.1 is installed and I want atleast 2.2
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827[06:41:50] <nkuttler> ,v ruby
828[06:41:58] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4; sid: 1:2.3.3
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830[06:42:25] <nkuttler> elliot007: well, nobody packaged it
831[06:42:42] <elliot007> is it safe to fetch from stretch repo??
832[06:42:51] <nkuttler> elliot007: no
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834[06:43:20] <elliot007> @nkuttler, okay thanks
835[06:43:28] <nkuttler> ,v ruby2.3
836[06:43:29] <judd> Package: ruby2.3 on amd64 -- stretch: 2.3.3-1; sid: 2.3.3-1
837[06:44:04] <nkuttler> elliot007: you can build your own backports, but then you'll have to maintain that yourself
838[06:44:30] <elliot007> how to do that?, compiling from source code?
839[06:44:44] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport ruby2.3
840[06:44:57] <judd> Backporting package ruby2.3 in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libssl1.0-dev.
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843[06:45:07] <nkuttler> mh, no, not an option either
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846[06:46:22] <elliot007> @nkuttler: like for nodejs I can do this replaced-url
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848[06:46:53] <nkuttler> elliot007: like i said, it's not packaged
849[06:47:08] <elliot007> okay
850[06:47:48] <elliot007> @nkuttler: so I'll have to upgrade it to stretch
851[06:47:52] <nkuttler> ehy do you need > 2.1 anyway
852[06:47:55] <nkuttler> why
853[06:48:00] <elliot007> jekyll
854[06:48:03] <nkuttler> elliot007: that sounds like a bad idea
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856[06:48:47] <nkuttler> elliot007: from their install docs, v1.9.3 or above for Jekyll 2 and v2 or above for Jekyll 3
857[06:48:55] <nkuttler> doesn't say anything about > 2
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860[06:49:23] <elliot007> but we're using some gems in our project which need atleast 2.2
861[06:49:34] * nkuttler shrugs
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863[06:49:43] <nkuttler> elliot007: install older versions of those gems
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871[06:52:01] <mo1991reg> hmmm, i've installed a new bluetooth adapter - asus bt-400. Running debian 8. Using blueman, I can connect to my bluetooth mouse, but can't seem to connect to my bose soundlink mini. It finds it but won't connect. Any ideas?
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874[06:52:10] <mo1991reg> I'm new to bluetooth on debian
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880[06:53:27] <elliot007> nkuttler: replaced-url
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882[06:54:13] <nkuttler> elliot007: sounds like you want the ruby/jekyll support channels now
883[06:54:26] <elliot007> nkuttler: okay
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886[06:55:34] <elliot007> nkuttler: thanks anyway
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901[07:05:24] <Maskara> i cant figure out wat the hell goes on with my wifi maybe for a couple hours in the early evening my connection says everthing is fine but i cant get webpages ..email ..or even irc to connect
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904[07:05:55] <Maskara> then after a while everything just comes up normal
905[07:06:25] <Maskara> but the funny thing is ...my other devices are fine ..android tablet
906[07:06:34] <Maskara> even my pos windows machine
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908[07:07:10] <cast> i have an offline stretch install, i grabbed the first 3 dvds and copied them onto it and set it up as a repo. there's a handful of packages not on those 3 dvds i want to grab, what's the nicest way to do that?
909[07:07:53] <cast> [i tried using apt-offline, though afaik it doesn't quite suit this]
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912[07:08:40] <Maskara> 1595 u think thats enough? ;))
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917[07:09:53] <cast> i can go down the manual route of grabbing the packages off packages.debian.org, manually grabbing required dependencies, then manually verifying the integrity of the packages..but that's a whole lot of manual.
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933[07:24:12] <Maskara> sorry if im in/out ,,..fixing my new client
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947[07:32:37] <Maskara> hey guys when nickserv says ur nick is erroneous is that the same as unidentified?..as in u need a passw?
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952[07:35:47] <jrm`> hi, which debian image should i choose to install debian on a macbook pro? will amd64 do?
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978[07:56:31] <nkuttler> Maskara: ask in #freenode
979[07:57:01] <nkuttler> jrm`: replaced-url
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995[08:06:18] <_maat_> hello, I have a slight boot problem after resizing my home partition
996[08:06:40] <_maat_> from a bit of googling it seems that a change of my partition uuid may have caused the problem
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998[08:07:08] <_maat_> but i tried to boot using a live image, update the uuid for that partition (found using sfdisk); but i still can't boot
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1000[08:07:57] <_maat_> my error message is like the first post on that page replaced-url
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1002[08:08:10] <_maat_> any thoughts about what is going wrong?
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1016[08:22:36] <P`O`N`T`I`A`C> Poor Old Nigger Thinks It's a Cadillac
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1018[08:23:09] <_maat_> dmesg | tail tells me that the resized home partition has more blocks than the size of the device
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1023[08:26:22] <jnhghy> hi I have a debian server that has shared webhosts ( throw virtualmin ) and I have an issue now that one of them has a process that takes lots of cpu and seems to be running for more then 10 hours, the top command shows the running command to be "host" does this command say anything about the issue? anyone any clue how I can find out what this does? this should be a simple magento site :)
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1034[08:34:54] <iamawesome> Hi, sudo rm -rf /*; or su - ; then rm -rf /* , is there any difference?
1035[08:35:14] <iamawesome> What's the benifit of using sudo?
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1038[08:36:08] <c-c> jnhghy: read $ man host
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1040[08:37:05] <c-c> jnhghy: also see $ netstat -natup
1041[08:37:24] <jnhghy> thanks for the references
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1060[08:40:44] <TheSpacebar> All hail the almighty spacebar!
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1072[08:42:35] <iamawesome> Can anyone answer?
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1076[08:43:28] <pennTeller> Guys does anyone know a way to further modify the size of windows in Debian once you "stick"them to the side of the monitor?
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1080[08:45:47] <pingfloyd> iamawesome: try it and see
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1096[09:01:35] <S1ohy> I'm having the following problem: replaced-url
1097[09:01:44] <S1ohy> But I don't have `/etc/init.d/vboxdrv` so I can't run the command sudo `/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup`
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1102[09:02:05] <S1ohy> What can I do to get virtualbox running?
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1122[09:14:01] <S1ohy> More info on my problem: replaced-url
1123[09:14:57] <BenNZ> S1ohy: have you tried rcvboxdrv setup
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1127[09:16:25] <BenNZ> S1ohy: just looked at your paste , are the kernel headers installed
1128[09:17:10] <S1ohy> Yes
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1130[09:17:19] <S1ohy> Yes to your second question
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1132[09:18:21] <S1ohy> BenNZ: I don't have `rcvboxdrv`.
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1136[09:19:01] <BenNZ> S1ohy: how did you install vbox ?
1137[09:19:10] <S1ohy> As a package
1138[09:19:23] <S1ohy> `apt-get install virtualbox`
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1140[09:19:33] <BenNZ> S1ohy: i would recommend using the version in the repo
1141[09:19:46] <BenNZ> *in the vbox repo i mean
1142[09:19:55] <S1ohy> I'm not sure what you mean by that
1143[09:20:32] <BenNZ> S1ohy: i would use echo 'deb replaced-url
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1146[09:21:07] <S1ohy> Jessie even though I'm on sid?
1147[09:21:37] <BenNZ> S1ohy: i didnt know that , but yeah
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1149[09:22:31] <BenNZ> S1ohy: probably will need to remove the version you have installed
1150[09:22:47] <S1ohy> Yeah, I just did.
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1152[09:25:17] <S1ohy> Thanks, BenNZ.
1153[09:25:30] <S1ohy> Working like a charm.
1154[09:25:37] <BenNZ> S1ohy: no problem
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1246[10:28:04] <plasmoduck> hey guys I have this laptop with the optical drive face plate and button broken off. I always seem to bump the eject button that is exposed and open the drive which is becoming quite annoying. Is there some way I can disable the drive so this no longer happens? Cheers ;-)
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1264[10:43:21] <mik> cdctl --lockdoor ?
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1272[10:48:10] <plasmoduck> huh?
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1290[10:57:21] <dikabo> Till now, I have used
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1293[10:58:58] <_jamesl> plasmoduck: disable the eject button? IIRC ther's a switch on the "eject" command that does that
1294[10:59:03] <_jamesl> so put that in /etc/rc.local
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1314[11:07:47] <dikabo> Till now, I have used "stable", because it is ... stable. Now I have a new PC which is waiting to get its OS installed, and I don't want to reinstall or update it when stretch is released. Since stretch had its transition freeze, would you recommend to install it now, or are natsy bugs still have to be expected? I use my PC as a Desktop "only".
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1334[11:19:10] <dutchfish> dikabo, there is lots to say about both answers. It merely depends on your skills and what your build is gone be used for. If this is a testing rig and you have some expirience, go ahead and use Debian testing. If not, choose stable.
1335[11:20:24] <dutchfish> dikabo, secondly, bare in mind that development limps behind, that means if your rig is spanking new components, you probably are best served by Debian testing or parts from SID.
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1337[11:21:11] <dutchfish> dikabo, inspect our Distro about your components being used, then decide.
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1343[11:24:45] <dutchfish> dikabo, at times, tesing/SID can be a bumpy ride.
1344[11:25:14] <dutchfish> s/tesing/testing
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1349[11:29:31] <Raspberry> hello
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1352[11:30:46] <dikabo> dutchfish, thank you for your answer. After installing jessie (as a test) I had to use a kernel from backports to get the graphics working right. All other components seem to work out-of-the-box. But my skills do not yet include dealing with bugs, means pinning etc.. Still, I know that mixing packages from different releases is for the brave =:)
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1358[11:32:01] <dutchfish> dikabo, yes, bpo is an alternative to running testing, with less headaches if your hw is supported.
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1364[11:34:53] <dikabo> dutchfish, to cut my question to its core: Are heavy bugs to be expected after transition freeze?
1365[11:35:13] <dutchfish> dikabo, last but not least, i slightly tend to choose testing over bpo nowadays, specially when it got frozen, because its easier to migrate when it is released.
1366[11:35:35] <plasmoduck> _jamesl: what exactly do I put please?
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1368[11:35:47] <dutchfish> dikabo, at the moment, nothing i cant handle, but hey, i have no crystal ball.
1369[11:36:23] <dikabo> dutchfish, thank you again, that is the answer I hoped to get.
1370[11:36:52] <dutchfish> dikabo, also take a peak at debian weather
1371[11:37:20] <dutchfish> dikabo, it gives i nice overview of all the merrits for your Architecture and its status
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1376[11:39:04] <dutchfish> dikabo, replaced-url
1377[11:39:59] <dikabo> dutchfish, yes, i have forgotten about debian weather. I install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges as a habit.
1378[11:40:09] <dutchfish> dikabo, ;)
1379[11:40:22] <pencilandpaper> I use inxi a lot for that. Is debian weather any better than inxi for weather conditions?
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1381[11:40:36] <dikabo> dutchfish, than you again. Bye!
1382[11:40:43] <dutchfish> dikabo, yw
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1384[11:41:14] <pencilandpaper> dutchfish: Would you happen to know if you don't mind me asking?
1385[11:42:43] <dutchfish> pencilandpaper, what was your question?
1386[11:43:18] <pencilandpaper> I was wondering if you happened to know if Debian weather is better than inxi as far as weather conditions are concerned?
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1388[11:44:04] <pencilandpaper> Well after looking, maybe it is a bit more comprehensive. Thanks. :)
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1390[11:44:21] <dutchfish> pencilandpaper, hard to tell, they serve some different purposes, i like the debian weather, because i can run it from anywhere.
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1392[11:45:56] <dutchfish> pencilandpaper, and i use it most often, when i plan to install a new rig in front.
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1394[11:46:34] <pencilandpaper> Nice, thats a good idea dutchfish .
1395[11:46:40] <dutchfish> pencilandpaper, or even plan my options to buy a component
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1408[11:51:32] <icarious> Hi. Is there a way to install additional packages in the rootfs using apt from within the Debian installer at the time of installing Debian? I am helping someone to install Debian (KDE) but he has a Wireless Setup. I think Debian does not provide the "plasma-widget-networkmanagement" package in the Debian KDE CD so he will be rendered without an internet post reboot.
1409[11:52:34] <icarious> I mean if there is a way to drop into a chroot'ed shell of the installed system to install packages before rebooting into the new system?
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1411[11:53:27] <plasmoduck> icarious: at the end of the installation before rebooting you should be able to ctr+alt+f2
1412[11:53:34] <plasmoduck> etc..
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1414[11:54:16] <icarious> plasmoduck: Does it drop to the shell of the installed system? If not how should I chroot into it?
1415[11:54:21] <pencilandpaper> It won't work for me for some reason dutchfish . :(
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1417[11:54:42] <pencilandpaper> The .weatherrc file wasn't created on its own so I created it with the location and all of that and its just not working.
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1419[11:55:36] <plasmoduck> icarious: I think you have to chroot
1420[11:56:19] <icarious> Ok. need to find where the target system is then, as mounted by the installer
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1437[12:05:20] <pencilandpaper> Yeah it won't work for here for some reason, o well..at least inxi works.
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1456[12:15:11] <HelloAtMega> Hi
1457[12:15:36] <HelloAtMega> How do I unset an env variable? I mean how do I make it as if has never existed?
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1461[12:16:19] <nkuttler> HelloAtMega: unset, surprisingly
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1480[12:26:41] <HelloAtMega> nkuttler: does that definetely clears the variable for ever or only for a session or for a terminal?
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1482[12:27:16] <nkuttler> HelloAtMega: for your active shell only of course
1483[12:27:25] <nkuttler> HelloAtMega: what var are you talking about anyway
1484[12:28:35] <HelloAtMega> I have created an env variable that shouldn't be created
1485[12:28:38] <HelloAtMega> CPPFLAGS
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1488[12:29:01] <HelloAtMega> So, I wanted to completely reomve it from my system
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1491[12:30:38] <nkuttler> HelloAtMega: how did you create it?
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1507[12:43:49] <nymous> hi guys
1508[12:43:55] <nymous> i need an advice
1509[12:44:15] <petn-randall> nymous: Feel free to ask your Debian support question.
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1511[12:44:29] <nymous> i'm trying to make a l2tp vpn to my server, connecting to my windows box
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1513[12:44:58] <nymous> for security reasons i thought to run it inside lxc container with server nat
1514[12:45:10] <nymous> my home box is behind my ISP nat
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1519[12:46:14] <nymous> i tried something round 5 guides without any result
1520[12:46:25] <petn-randall> nymous: You are aware that L2TP is unencrypted, right?
1521[12:46:43] <nymous> i'm making it with ipsec
1522[12:46:52] <nymous> libreswan to be exact
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1524[12:47:35] <petn-randall> nymous: I see. I can tell you from experience that ipsec is a pain with NAT. Probably impossible if you can't change the NAT routers inbetween.
1525[12:48:03] <nymous> i can change routes on my server
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1527[12:48:46] <petn-randall> nymous: You'd have to find a way to forward IPsec packets through the NAT.
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1530[12:52:52] <nymous> whatever i do i end up with this
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1533[12:52:53] <nymous> replaced-url
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1541[12:55:19] <nymous> 138.201.201.5 (not a real ip, just example) is my server's IP
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1544[12:55:37] <nymous> 192.168.10.5 is lxc container with l2ptd
1545[12:55:47] <nymous> *xl2tpd
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1611[13:39:24] <way218> hey there, anyone using awesome? what is the best way to get 3.5 running on jessie ?
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1617[13:42:17] <n4dir> is there a difference between the versions worth the trouble?
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1621[13:45:06] <teclo-> n4dir: well if you don't know what release of Debian GNU/Linux to install, install stable
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1623[13:45:38] <petn-randall> teclo-: n4dir was responding to way218 regarding versions of awesome.
1624[13:45:40] <petn-randall> ,v awesome
1625[13:45:41] <judd> Package: awesome on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; sid: 3.5.9-1; stretch: 3.5.9-1
1626[13:45:55] <teclo-> petn-randall: ah sorry
1627[13:45:57] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport awesome
1628[13:45:58] <judd> Backporting package awesome in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
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1631[13:46:56] <petn-randall> way218: If you really need the newest version, you can backport it yourself from stretch. You should think about if it's worth it though, as every newer version is less tested than older ones, and might introduce new bugs.
1632[13:47:28] <way218> the background of my awesome question: i want to use shared tags between multiple screens and i found two plugins providing this feature. however they seem to be not working on 3.4
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1635[13:47:39] <way218> besides that i do not have an interest in the never version
1636[13:48:35] <petn-randall> !ssb
1637[13:48:35] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1639[13:49:23] <petn-randall> way218: ^^^ this should help you backporting it from stretch yourself. There are no dependencies involved that need backporting, so it should be quite straight-foward. Feel free to ask if you get stuck somewhere in the process.
1640[13:49:46] <way218> ok thank you all !
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1642[13:50:45] <n4dir> way218: i just tried to build awesome (not debian) and it sure was not fun. debian-backporting might be a piece of cake. Depends how urgently you need the tag-stuff.
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1649[13:52:29] <way218> just changed from i3 to xmonad to awesome and i really like the later one. however it has seperate tags for the screen so the workflow will be different between the desktop setup and a notebook. this sucks somehow
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1651[13:54:49] <n4dir> not that far yet. i use it like i use non-tiling wm's (all windows fullscreen). I heard people complain bout something like that (dynamic tiling? no clue).
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1656[13:56:59] <n4dir> was pretty happy with window-maker, but couldn't get a systray working, so i went for awesome. end of story
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1659[13:58:07] <way218> the nice part of awesome is that you can actually read the config without to much of knowledge of lua
1660[13:58:23] <way218> for xmonad it is the completly different
1661[13:58:47] <way218> because i cannot write/read haskell ...
1662[14:00:58] <n4dir> got you. looked at a few tiling ones, so ran into it (was it dwm where you have to recompile to make setting changes? lol). wmii looked funny. But, well: my needs are low and i don't really get the idea behind tiling.
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1671[14:05:45] <way218> n4dir: when i write latex i like to have the source besides the compiled pdf. in this case tiling is perfect
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1682[14:11:05] <n4dir> oh, i don't doubt that it is very useful for certain workflows, perhaps even for most. Also do-able to get the head in the tiling thing. Only am open bout my missing knowledge.
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1752[14:48:57] <brasshorn> what is the correct command to display what IP addresses my computer is connected to? is it 'netstat -antp' ?
1753[14:50:20] <pingfloyd> netstat -tap
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1834[15:42:15] <redrabbit> hi
1835[15:42:18] <redrabbit> that is strange. i dont even have iwconfig on that machine i just installed
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1838[15:44:39] <petn-randall> redrabbit: That is not so strange since wireless tools are not essential in Debian.
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1840[15:45:22] <petn-randall> redrabbit: You can install 'command-not-found', then when running e.g. 'iwconfig' and it isn't there, that tool will tell you which package you need to install.
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1843[15:45:58] <petn-randall> redrabbit: You can also run 'apt-file search iwconfig' manually, and it will tell you.
1844[15:46:51] <n4dir> though i think that one has to install apt-file too .
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1847[15:46:59] <n4dir> as a side note
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1879[16:02:09] <abbemsly> I want to install nvidia drivers from backports instead of from their website, so they can update along with the rest of my system. But, I'm a bit worried. If I install the drivers from backports, then I do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will I grab all the unstable packages from backports and have those replace the stable ones?
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1883[16:04:37] <n4dir> no, it wont
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1886[16:05:14] <abbemsly> Why won't it?
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1890[16:05:48] <n4dir> replaced-url
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1895[16:08:39] <petn-randall> abbemsly: It will only installed those packages from backports you explicitely request. Those aren't "unstable" in the sense of releases (stable/testing/unstable), they come from testing (= stretch), which will be the upcoming Debian release.
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1898[16:09:24] <abbemsly> Thanks a lot
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1901[16:11:42] <abbemsly> so if I did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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1904[16:12:08] <abbemsly> it would still look for updates for nvidia, but not anything else?
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1906[16:13:28] <n4dir> it will for upgrades for the packages from stable, and for the packages installed from backports via -t
1907[16:13:37] <unborn> petn-randall: well backports did not worked for me at all.. actually my system did gone break down..
1908[16:13:38] <n4dir> it will -> it will look
1909[16:13:42] <unborn> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian 8.6 ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 896MHz ** RAM: Physical: 11.7GiB, 82.1% free ** Disk: Total: 428.2GiB, 17.8% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [NVS 4200M] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection ** Uptime: 10h 31m 44s **
1910[16:14:59] <unborn> petn-randall: since my graphics does support intel - I turn on the thing in bios and forgot about nvidia.. it works perfect
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1912[16:15:23] <abbemsly> unborn nouveau, or nvidia drivers
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1914[16:15:48] <unborn> abbemsly: as I said - no nvidia on my end..
1915[16:16:09] <unborn> nvidia will just break the things apart
1916[16:16:14] <abbemsly> oh alright
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1921[16:16:51] <oaps> hello!
1922[16:16:57] <abbemsly> hello oaps
1923[16:17:02] <n4dir> i wouldn't believe everything i read on the internet.
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1930[16:18:30] <oaps> i recently dd'ed the 8.6 installer image to a usb stick, it worked fine. now i'd like to add some rescue tools to the same stick since there's plenty of room left, such as memtest86+ and maybe another live system with things like smartctl and other diagnostic/repair tools on it. is it possible to do this without overwriting the installer image? i don't mind having to use the grub command line to boot the other systems.
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1934[16:19:44] <oaps> is it maybe possible to write another bootloader to the usb stick somewhere after the end of the debian installer image, and tell grub to chainload that?
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1936[16:21:58] <zykotick9> oaps: best of luck. with old debian installers it was trivial to add another partition to the installer image(s)... i'm not sure that's still the case, well it's certainly not trivial anymore. best of luck!
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1938[16:23:07] <oaps> zykotick9: yeah, it would probably not be too hard to create a new bootable image with the installer image as one partition on it and overwrite what's currently on the stick, but i'd like to avoid that if possible...
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1947[16:26:31] <oaps> (by the way, it would be pretty nice to have some pre-installation diagnostic tools like memtest86+ and smartctl on the official installer image)
1948[16:26:34] <abbemsly> oh so backports is just as-is, not a way to move your distro from stable to testing
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2021[17:09:25] <zykotick9> holycow: you might want to look into "debtags" <- only a guess...
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2024[17:10:10] <holycow> ah, lets see. thx for the tip.
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2043[17:20:11] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i have a strange problem with my sound output
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2048[17:22:50] <rocketmagnet> i have an onboard soundcard and the sound worked, then i changed the volume and since then my sound is gone
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2052[17:23:53] <pingfloyd> check all levels in alsa mixer and pavucontrol
2053[17:23:59] <rocketmagnet> alsamixer shows me that sound id playing bit i don't head any sound :/ :/
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2056[17:24:42] <rocketmagnet> pingfloyd: you are my hero !!!!!!!!
2057[17:24:48] <pingfloyd> in alsa mixer may have to hit an f key to see them all
2058[17:24:52] <rocketmagnet> pavucontrol does the thing :) :) :)
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2060[17:24:59] <rocketmagnet> man you made me happy
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2062[17:25:03] <pingfloyd> right on
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2071[17:28:26] <rocketmagnet> pingfloyd: is there a tool that can check with box is left/right/back-left/back-front ?
2072[17:28:45] <SuperTramp83> this (when you mute - 0 volume) and also when you plug in and then unplug the headphones - I solved the issue by directly purging pulseaudio. All fine since then. Alsa is beautiful :)
2073[17:29:16] <pingfloyd> pulse is buggy
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2077[17:30:03] <pingfloyd> sometimes the levels get messed up as plug and unplug stuff
2078[17:30:04] <SuperTramp83> yep, I experienced the same behavior on a lot of different hardware, always muting the main volume :(
2079[17:30:30] <pingfloyd> muting and unmuting both
2080[17:30:44] <SuperTramp83> yeah
2081[17:30:53] <pingfloyd> and levels changing on their own
2082[17:31:01] <cjdavies> How do I specify what conf file wpa_supplicant should use when it starts at boot? I have a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf which is fine when I manually invoke it, but when the box reboots it starts wpa_supplicant with no conf.
2083[17:31:05] <SuperTramp83> yes, correct, totally weird
2084[17:31:12] <SuperTramp83> alsa FTW :)
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2092[17:36:30] <aedinius> cjdavies: this is what i have setup replaced-url
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2095[17:37:22] <epsilon> what's the most elegant way to run iptables depending on running process? Such as: "if apache is running, add INPUT -dport 80 rule"
2096[17:37:26] <rocketmagnet> pingfloyd: thx again and bye, marry xmas :)
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2103[17:39:41] <aedinius> epsilon: if [ $(pgrep -c apache) -gt 0 ]; then addfirewallrule; fi
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2109[17:42:49] <oaps> epsilon: or just write a wrapper script for apache that inserts the rule and then removes it again when the process has exited.
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2111[17:44:08] <aedinius> you could write a new unit to run when apache.service starts
2112[17:44:11] <aedinius> or something
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2124[17:51:54] <oaps> can i block name requests for 'something.local' from ever being sent as a normal dns requests even if mdns lookup fails?
2125[17:52:07] <oaps> on all connections managed by network-manager.
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2129[17:53:41] <cjdavies> aedinius: I worked out it was because /etc/network/interfaces was completely blank
2130[17:54:46] <adrienb_isi> I there ! I have some trouble about network. I'm setting privoxy on my raspberry. The port 8118 is open, my browser (on my other computer which is in the same network) is weel configured, but it doesn't receive the packets. Here the error: "The proxy server is refusing connections". tcpdump on my rpi gives me this :
2131[17:54:54] <adrienb_isi> 16:27:33.511692 IP Armory.58262 > raspberrypi.8118: Flags [S], seq 4185248467, win 29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 80374112 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
2132[17:54:57] <adrienb_isi> 16:27:33.511828 IP raspberrypi.8118 > Armory.58262: Flags [R.], seq 0, ack 4185248468, win 0, length 0
2133[17:55:03] <adrienb_isi> Armory is my other computer
2134[17:55:22] <adrienb_isi> I precise that there is no firewall on my both computers for now
2135[17:55:33] <adrienb_isi> Do you have an idea ? Thanks in advance for you help
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2138[17:56:47] <ksk> Hey. If I run my own git server via ssh; how do I enforce some sshkey to only be able to do gitstuff, but having no shell etc? command= in authorized_keys line? anything else? thanks
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2155[18:02:00] <ksk> hum, seems there is "/usr/bin/git-shell" - Ill give that a try! thanks :)
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2158[18:02:32] <plop6> hi
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2161[18:03:32] <plop6> using debian sid, how to solve: gcc:error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: no such file or directory
2162[18:03:51] <epsilon> oaps: interesting idea :)
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2212[18:25:42] <plop6> found solution, cpp was not on same version than current gcc, did symlinks on /usr/local/bin to solve it
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2243[18:32:05] <code_geek> Hi, I am new to Open Source Community, and would like to get started on contributing. I want to contribute on python. Can anyone tell how to get started?
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2249[18:33:25] <somiaj> code_geek: debian specific: replaced-url
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2269[18:41:53] <electricark> So I'm looking for a program that will autorepeat/emulate keypresses when holding down my mouse button. Anyone know of anything thatll work?
2270[18:42:13] <electricark> Perhaps a script of some sort...
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2272[18:42:48] <petn-randall> code_geek: A more general approach is to look into projects you are interested in and want to commit to for a longer time, and then look for easy tasks to get your feet wet.
2273[18:42:59] * petn-randall lags.
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2335[19:34:57] <jamesl> I am trying to mount using CIFS a Samba share, however I get an error "access denied." the relevant part of my smb.conf is here, replaced-url
2336[19:35:01] <jamesl> client. Also, the "homes" share works so Samba is working, I am simply having problems with this share. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong??
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2341[19:38:16] <petemc> jamesl: did you run smbpasswd for that user?
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2344[19:39:24] <jamesl> petemc: yes, smpasswd -a
2345[19:39:39] <jamesl> but then I changed the password but didn't run smbpasswd again
2346[19:40:00] <jamesl> although the "homes" share works with the same user as this other share, so auth for this specific user is working
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2348[19:40:19] <jamesl> I think it's a problem with the individual share definitions
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2353[19:45:15] <jamesl> petemc: I ran it again just in case, same error
2354[19:45:35] <jamesl> testparm says there are no errors in the config file
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2362[19:50:05] <sdfsadfsadf> help
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2364[19:51:32] <sdfsadfsadf> how can I revert propietary drivers back to open source ones? I changed fglrx with 'radeon' in xorg.conf but now I'm getting a "no screens found" error and can't start xserver
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2373[19:58:05] <dx> hey, can new versions of existing packages be uploaded during the stretch *soft* freeze the next month?
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2377[20:01:55] <petn-randall> dx: replaced-url
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2379[20:02:26] <jamesl> petemc: I fixed it, turns out the share directory was chmod 700. Setting mode 755 did it
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2386[20:03:49] <dx> thanks
2387[20:03:55] <dx> petn-randall: "Updates to existing packages in stretch will continue as normal" - does that refer to updates through patches only? or are whole upstream tarballs ok too?
2388[20:04:43] <Maskara> does anyone know how to change the default search folder in the file search app so that it searches file system instead of home folder?
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2392[20:06:07] <dontknow> Maskara, what file search app?
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2397[20:07:26] <Maskara> just the local one that comes with the os under accessories
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2399[20:08:27] <n4dir> don't get mre wrong, Maskara, but imho the better option is to learn such from the commandline (locate, find and such)
2400[20:09:06] <dontknow> use nautilus file manager. it has great search function
2401[20:09:07] <n4dir> that was my way to say: i sure got no idea how to change the default in the search-app. :-)
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2404[20:09:59] <Maskara> ur right its more efficient im being lazy...i was trying to fill up slots on my desktop panels ;)
2405[20:10:24] <n4dir> now that is always a good thing.
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2408[20:11:13] <Maskara> lol yes and the mate file manager is quite good
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2410[20:11:21] <kqr> is it possible to make *my* cron jobs use a different sendmail than the global cron jobs?
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2413[20:11:47] <kqr> (without piping to my sendmail for each cron job...)
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2427[20:16:57] <Maskara> btw guys if u maintain a legacy windows machine or partition and dont yet have win10 i just found a free upgrade yesterday that still works ..
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2429[20:17:05] <Maskara> replaced-url
2430[20:17:22] <OdinYggd> Maskara, you could have installed 7 in a VM and then upgraded the VM to 10.
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2432[20:17:28] <teraflops> Maskara: huh?
2433[20:17:33] <OdinYggd> Basically, all you had to do was reserve the upgrade for your 7 or 8 product key
2434[20:17:39] <dontknow> windows10 spy
2435[20:17:40] <OdinYggd> then you could use your original version or 10
2436[20:17:47] <OdinYggd> But why would you want 10 anyway
2437[20:17:49] <Maskara> i already had 7 starter on the netbook
2438[20:17:51] <OdinYggd> The telemetry cannot be turned off
2439[20:17:57] <OdinYggd> because it gets turned back on by updates
2440[20:18:07] <awal1> nobody cares about microsoft/windows here
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2442[20:18:56] <Maskara> some people maintain a windows machine for w/e reason doesnt mean they prefer it over linux
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2445[20:19:14] <teraflops> …and why would you share things like that in #debian?
2446[20:19:16] <Maskara> i have one to test stuff on
2447[20:19:33] <Maskara> ..why not ?
2448[20:19:35] <blimpy> woop woop, installing debian on my ibook g3
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2450[20:19:53] <blimpy> i wonder how fast it'll be with a lightweight wm
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2452[20:20:04] <blimpy> i only have ~128mb of ram so
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2454[20:20:21] <blimpy> the install is pretty speedy
2455[20:20:23] <slax0r> is it inadvisable to use nomodeset on the long run?
2456[20:20:28] <teraflops> Maskara: unrelated to the #topic
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2464[20:22:11] <Maskara> btw, im not a spy tyvm! ;))
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2468[20:23:40] <oaps> how do you configure a network interface to use ipv4ll when dhcp isn't available, without network-manager?
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2470[20:24:10] <OdinYggd> /etc/network/interfaces
2471[20:24:22] <OdinYggd> Give it a static IPv4 and gateway
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2473[20:25:01] <oaps> no, i want ipv4ll when dhcp isn't available. not a static ip, and a gateway would be pretty useless for a local link connection.
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2479[20:27:18] <OdinYggd> I've not seen a working IPv4 link local in many years. Though the standards for it exist at least.
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2481[20:27:34] <slax0r> oaps: zeroconf?
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2484[20:27:41] <oaps> yes.
2485[20:27:45] <OdinYggd> Might be possible to set a static IP if the dhcp client tiems out at least.
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2487[20:27:52] <slax0r> oaps: tried this yet: replaced-url
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2503[20:33:08] <oaps> slax0r: it seems to be a list of packages followed by a rant about why zeroconf is bad, not instructions for how to set it up for a network interface.
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2510[20:35:17] <slax0r> oaps: honestly I haven't read it, nor tried to set it up, just tried to lead you into the right direction
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2512[20:35:39] <OdinYggd> Zeroconf is really bad though
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2514[20:35:55] <OdinYggd> Its rare to see it actually used due to how unreliable and insecure it gets at times
2515[20:36:18] <OdinYggd> What kind of network setup are you using that a static IP is unsuitable?
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2518[20:37:13] <teraflops> a large one?
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2520[20:37:40] <oaps> OdinYggd: a server is usually connected to a router and gets assigned an ip address using dhcp, but occasionally i want to plug it in directly to my laptop, type 'ssh myserver.local' and do some things.
2521[20:37:49] <oaps> why would it be insecure?
2522[20:38:11] <OdinYggd> It'd be fine in an environment where you are the only person to have physical access.
2523[20:38:16] <oaps> yes.
2524[20:38:23] <oaps> and the only one with the ssh keys.
2525[20:38:26] <OdinYggd> Anyone else getting access though could transmit info to mislead zeroconf and hijack your setup
2526[20:38:35] <OdinYggd> Still not a recommended configuration
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2528[20:38:55] <OdinYggd> Does the server have only one NIC in it?
2529[20:39:06] <oaps> yes.
2530[20:39:22] <oaps> network-manager does this all the time for managed interfaces.
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2532[20:39:36] <OdinYggd> Ah. Cause with two nics this would be a piece of cake, one runs a dhcp client while the other runs a dhcp server
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2541[20:39:57] <OdinYggd> On a single nic, I'm not sure
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2546[20:40:07] <oaps> a dhcp server just to be able to connect with a single computer on a local link?
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2549[20:40:37] <OdinYggd> Doesn't have to have a huge address pool, but it would let the laptop get an IP automatically just like it expects
2550[20:40:40] <teraflops> oaps: you have to trust every machine if you use zeroconf
2551[20:40:56] <OdinYggd> Usually though a point to point link just give it a static IP on each end and be done
2552[20:41:08] <OdinYggd> Your case is special because normally the interface is assigned an IP dyamically
2553[20:41:15] <OdinYggd> Not sure if using subinterfaces breaks the DHCP client
2554[20:41:17] <oaps> OdinYggd: the laptop doesn't expect that, it will happily assign itself a local-link address if it can't get a dhcp one.
2555[20:41:21] <oaps> i just want the same for the server.
2556[20:41:24] <OdinYggd> hmm
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2559[20:41:54] <oaps> this is the default configuration for network-manager.
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2570[20:42:28] <oaps> teraflops: hence ssh.
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2574[20:43:29] <OdinYggd> But when the server is getting its address from DHCP, it will still accept data from zeroconf too
2575[20:43:40] <OdinYggd> Making it possible to hijack the server's traffic for MITM attacks
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2578[20:44:15] <OdinYggd> I think you need something more along the lines of configuring the DHCP client to perform an action if no address is given within a certain timeframe
2579[20:44:24] <teraflops> if you use zeroconf you have to trust every machine on the lan, if not you better not use zeroconf
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2581[20:45:03] <teraflops> so further concerns about security are useless
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2584[20:45:51] <oaps> teraflops: trust every machine to do what? they can't actually do anything without ssh keys, and they can't pose as another machine without that machine's host keys.
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2595[20:49:33] <OdinYggd> zeroconf doesn't just configure IPs. It also tries to configure printers, routers, IoT hardware..
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2598[20:49:51] <OdinYggd> anything that is configured to participate in zeroconf will be mapped on your system
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2601[20:50:13] <OdinYggd> In any case, I just did a little looking into this and it seems that yes you can run dhcp on eth0 then use a static IP on eth0:1
2602[20:50:28] <OdinYggd> Like so you can just give the laptop a static IP when it needs to connect and go with it
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2606[20:51:27] <OdinYggd> Windows lets you set 'fallback IP' info to use if DHCP fails, so if the laptop isn't Linux it can be automated to do this. Linux should support it as well, but i'm not sure how cause I've yet to try
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2611[20:53:18] <meow> Hello
2612[20:53:23] <meow> I'm trying to install Debian Sarge
2613[20:53:39] <meow> certainly the debian archive apt repo is throwing 404 for sarge
2614[20:53:41] <meow> What can I do?
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2617[20:54:23] <OdinYggd> Does Sarge still have a mirror system like the newer distros do?
2618[20:54:31] <meow> yeah
2619[20:54:33] <OdinYggd> I would expect it to fail over to a different server after a few attempts
2620[20:54:35] <meow> it does,
2621[20:54:41] <OdinYggd> Possibly flush your DNS so it pulls a new server
2622[20:54:47] <meow> what new server
2623[20:54:51] <meow> I mean I want some sources.list
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2625[20:55:19] <OdinYggd> The addresses in sources.list point to multiple servers in different physical locations in order to help distribute the loading better
2626[20:55:29] <meow> my sources.list is empty :P
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2628[20:55:34] <OdinYggd> ah
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2631[20:57:43] <meow> wtf sarge is there replaced-url
2632[20:58:12] <meow> deb replaced-url
2633[20:58:16] <meow> why is this throwing some 404
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2639[21:00:53] <teraflops> meow: because your url is r0ng?
2640[21:01:03] <meow> wat
2641[21:01:03] <meow> hwo
2642[21:01:04] <meow> how *
2643[21:01:25] <teraflops> or it looks to me it's wrong
2644[21:01:36] <meow> what should it be
2645[21:01:45] <teraflops> replaced-url
2646[21:02:13] <meow> that'd be then: deb replaced-url
2647[21:02:13] <meow> ?
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2649[21:02:22] <teraflops> hmm yeah
2650[21:02:26] <meow> let's try
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2661[21:06:33] <teraflops> hmm
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2665[21:07:00] <teraflops> dpkg: sarge sources.list
2666[21:07:00] <dpkg> sarge sources.list is probably "deb replaced-url
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2670[21:09:12] <teraflops> meow: well it looks like I brainfarted according to the factoid so nvm
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2674[21:10:47] <meow> teraflops: yep xp
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2694[21:20:00] <petn-randall> dx: Yes, that means packages already in stretch can get upstream updates.
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2698[21:24:33] <meow> while installing debian sarge
2699[21:24:44] <meow> There's that "Select and install packages" process
2700[21:24:46] <meow> the thing is
2701[21:25:11] <meow> I click it, it shows me things like "Desktop user, SQL server, Web server, manual config" ect
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2703[21:25:19] <meow> regardless of what I click, It fais
2704[21:25:28] <meow> and I get an error message, and then get back to the installatin menu
2705[21:25:29] <meow> wat I do
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2716[21:28:51] <mtn> meow: do a minimal install and then fix your sources
2717[21:30:57] <mtn> !sarge
2718[21:30:58] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: replaced-url
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2738[21:43:11] <meow> mtn, fine
2739[21:43:43] <meow> I skipped the steps and such
2740[21:43:55] <meow> Now I wanted to install LXDE, and it doesn't seem to be found in the apt repo
2741[21:44:02] <meow> what can I use as a desktop env for sarge
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2761[22:01:28] <funkster> im a bit confused. so if a service is run by systemd it doesn't have to be in update.rcd startup?
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2772[22:07:25] <nkuttler> funkster: systemd has no rc scripts
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2774[22:09:02] <nymous> hi folks
2775[22:09:07] <nymous> i need help with dnsmasq
2776[22:09:14] <nymous> it drives me insane
2777[22:09:16] <funkster> nkuttler: yes, i am asking why would a service start with update.rc and not systemd. for example apache2 by default is update-rc.d and no systemd setup
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2779[22:09:34] <nymous> i'm trying to lease ips for strongswan clients
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2781[22:09:51] <nymous> i'm running dnsmasq on lo
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2783[22:10:19] <nymous> i have set ip range 10.1.15.10 -- 10.1.15.254, 10.1.15.1/24 is on lo
2784[22:10:24] <nymous> but all i get is
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2786[22:10:34] <nymous> 2231733216 available DHCP range: 10.1.15.10 -- 10.1.15.254
2787[22:10:34] <nymous> 2231733216 DHCPDISCOVER(lo) 7a:a7:f6:0a:7f:ce no address available
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2790[22:12:10] <nkuttler> funkster: what exactly do you mean?
2791[22:12:26] <nymous> argh, set 10.1.15.1/32 and it works
2792[22:12:31] <nymous> O_O
2793[22:12:45] <awal1> funkster: does apache2 have a native systemd unit?
2794[22:12:53] <nkuttler> funkster: afaik some packages still ship rc scripts, and systemd can read them
2795[22:13:22] <funkster> nkuttler: some services i install start up with systemd and some start with rc scripts.
2796[22:13:34] <nkuttler> funkster: systemd probably calls those rc scripts
2797[22:13:35] <funkster> is that just.. just the way it is at this point?
2798[22:13:52] <nkuttler> i think it's for a transitional period
2799[22:13:53] <funkster> nkuttler: right, it does in the case of apache2.
2800[22:13:59] <nkuttler> probably so that other inits keep working
2801[22:14:34] <funkster> gotcha. i guess thats whats confusing me when i install a service and i don't see it in rc script
2802[22:14:42] <funkster> but it still starts on boot, so i look in systemd...
2803[22:14:48] <funkster> confusing setup
2804[22:14:51] <nkuttler> yeah, it's a little messy atm
2805[22:14:52] <awal1> when x pkg have no a native systemd unit, systemd calls rc script of that x pkg, as I know :P
2806[22:15:04] <awal1> something like that
2807[22:15:11] <nkuttler> also, service scripts can contain hardcoded config, i haven't seen something similar to /etc/default/
2808[22:16:04] <nkuttler> i don't think they get interpreted..
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2810[22:16:29] <funkster> i do like that systemd has supervisord like feature, makes sure its running all the time.
2811[22:16:48] <nkuttler> i just supervisord..
2812[22:16:57] <nkuttler> just use..
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