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0[00:00:02] <annadane> about general discussion of how often intel has vulnerabilities
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2[00:00:21] <dondelelcaro> daedok: I suspect that you're having an authentication issue with git or something similar. What's the output of the command?
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4[00:00:25] <annadane> it's fine of course to ask whether there's a patch but those kinds of broader discussions are off topic
5[00:00:26] <peter_thaler> jelly, lots of embedded customizable automotive displays these days
6[00:00:36] <dondelelcaro> daedok: but in any event, the commit should complete even if the push fails
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8[00:00:45] <dondelelcaro> (assuming you're changing to the right directory, etc.)
9[00:00:46] <peter_thaler> jelly, for instance
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12[00:03:12] <dondelelcaro> daedok: best to keep it in the channel; I'm likely to dissapear at any moment
13[00:03:33] <dvs> *poof*
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17[00:04:50] <owl_tech> hi there friends...i am looking for a solution for this kernel panic
18[00:04:52] <owl_tech> replaced-url
19[00:05:19] <owl_tech> i used a lot of debian versions since 2012 to now...32 bit and 64
20[00:05:31] <owl_tech> the question is in the kernel channel
21[00:05:45] <owl_tech> but, maybe someone here can help me
22[00:05:48] <dondelelcaro> owl_tech: you should plug that into a serial console, and get a full dump of the panic
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24[00:06:01] <dondelelcaro> (since you're missing half of it)
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26[00:06:08] <owl_tech> i try Knoppix and Ubuntu
27[00:06:12] <owl_tech> mmmm
28[00:06:16] <daedok> dondelelcaro, so. After execute 'systemctl start my.service' i am not get any output messages. But i set command like 'touch temp.txt' and this file created.
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31[00:07:00] <owl_tech> i mean that i try with distros that was build since 2012
32[00:07:19] <owl_tech> mmmm
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35[00:07:33] <daedok> dondelelcaro, now i execute this by root user. This user have ssh key for remote repository, so all right must be
36[00:07:47] <dondelelcaro> daedok: what do you see in systemctl status my.service; or journalctl -xe _SYSTEMD_UNIT=my.service;
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39[00:08:53] <owl_tech> dondelelcaro, i have not a serial console...looking for alternative
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42[00:10:15] <daedok> dondelelcaro, replaced-url
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45[00:11:11] <dondelelcaro> daedok: yep, looks like it actually pushed.
46[00:11:41] <dondelelcaro> daedok: but you'll have to check the rest of the journalctl output to see what really happend
47[00:12:02] <dondelelcaro> daedok: and I'm going to guess that your script isn't run with set -e; so it's possible that the commit is failing and you're never seeing that failure
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51[00:12:47] <dondelelcaro> owl_tech: well, you could use a USB3 A=A debugging cable, I guess. replaced-url
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54[00:13:29] <daedok> dondelelcaro, where i need write 'set -e' in my case?
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56[00:14:15] <dondelelcaro> daedok: somewhere in /home/pi/dev/bash/pilocation before you run any commands
57[00:14:26] <dondelelcaro> daedok: normally after the #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh line
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60[00:14:40] <dondelelcaro> daedok: help set; for more details.
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64[00:15:42] <dondelelcaro> (or man bash; or man sh; or whatever your shell is, and read about the set builtin and its options)
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66[00:16:03] <tabakhase> with your commit, also check if you may want/need --allow-empty // and instead do "real error catching" in your script (what can be as easy as "git bla bla || { echo "error in git commit"; exit 1;}" or such -- but ive only read half your convo, so nvm if im talking nonsense...
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72[00:21:01] <dondelelcaro> !tabakhase++
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78[00:22:50] <sparky4> running gdbus call --session --dest org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Sources5 --object-path /org/gnome/evolution/dataserver/SourceManager --method org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.SourceManager.Reload
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81[00:23:02] <mutante> replaced-url
82[00:23:10] <sparky4> Error connecting: The connection is closed
83[00:23:36] <mutante> affected: every CPU since 1995 problem: processes can read memory of other processes .... pwned
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87[00:25:00] <zerocool> the way i understand it cpu architecture, esp for x86 is mostly unchanged from way back
88[00:25:12] <zerocool> they just keep piling sh*t on
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91[00:26:18] <blazeme8> With apt-get's -o arg, is it possible to pass options to dpkg-preconfigure?
92[00:26:20] <Sir_Designer> basically, it hurts every CPU with a pipeline and a branch predictor
93[00:27:13] <simbalion`> speaking of meltdown, is the debian 9 kernel patched?
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112[00:32:24] <annadane> not yet
113[00:32:38] <annadane> there was a discussion about this earlier but i don't remember what was said
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125[00:37:27] <simbalion`> yikes, now that it has a clever name it's going to get a lot of attention
126[00:37:32] <kale> is there a tool to help me figure out ehwn a vm is done booting? say like a service that starts lats and somehow tells the host its done booting?
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128[00:39:00] <notadrop> is anyone here running the Spotify client?
129[00:39:21] <notadrop> when I follow their instructions (or the ones on the Debian wiki) I get this message from apt: GPG error: replaced-url
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132[00:39:36] <daedok> dondelelcaro, so i see, that git cannot be comitted because it not see email. but when i see 'git config --global -l' i see, that user.email is setted. and i can commit changes manualy from this stage
133[00:39:44] <notadrop> I'm new to GPG and PGP and all that, I was hoping somebody could help me out
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144[00:47:42] <busch> When will the KAISER patch be available for debian?
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156[00:52:08] <somiaj> busch: debian works on when it is ready timeline, You can follow any assoicated cve's at security-tracker.debian.org
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160[00:55:04] <rysiek|pl> so I think the cat is out of the bag on these:
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163[00:55:14] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
164[00:55:21] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
165[00:55:27] <rysiek|pl> replaced-url
166[00:55:43] <rysiek|pl> since Google published this: replaced-url
167[00:56:04] <rysiek|pl> any news on when the patched kernel will be out, so that maintenance windows can be scheduled, etc?
168[00:56:16] <simbalion`> It's somewhat disconcerting that there's no info posted yet on the security tracker, is that to keep the vulnerability hush hush?
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171[00:58:19] <somiaj> things just take time, and the security team has to backport this to the kernels used in debian. It seems that red hat has only barely just fixed their most current os.
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174[00:59:02] <simbalion`> Google should have waited for their blog post
175[00:59:05] <somiaj> just keep an eye on the security tracker and the security mailing list, that is what most people here would know.
176[00:59:08] <annadane> isn't the vulnerability basically brand new?
177[00:59:17] <simbalion`> annadane: No it's from last year
178[00:59:20] <annadane> at least in terms of being discovered
179[00:59:24] <simbalion`> hence the '2017' in the CVE
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181[00:59:29] <annadane> eh
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184[00:59:43] <somiaj> which isn't saying much, since last year was only a few days ago.
185[00:59:43] <annadane> i should educate myself so i'm at least in the loop
186[00:59:47] <annadane> well, right
187[00:59:48] <simbalion`> it was like october or november, which is not very long ago but it's long enough to be exploited
188[00:59:50] <rysiek|pl> yeah, and it was embargoed until Jan 9
189[01:00:00] <rysiek|pl> but people started putting 2 and 2 together
190[01:00:06] <rysiek|pl> journalists started wild speculations
191[01:00:16] <simbalion`> the thing is the dangerous hackers knew about it on day 1
192[01:00:21] <tabakhase> one post says they informed vendors as early as june?
193[01:00:32] <somiaj> debian security does a good job, but they are going to be slower than redhat or other big coorperations.
194[01:00:41] <rysiek|pl> sure thing
195[01:00:46] <simbalion`> somiaj: No reason to assume that
196[01:00:46] <rysiek|pl> that's expected and appreciated
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200[01:01:16] <tabakhase> "We reported this issue to Intel, AMD and ARM on 2017-06-01"
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203[01:01:28] <simbalion`> ah farther back then I remembered
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222[01:11:53] <JyZyXEL> wouldn't this possibly mean that a lot of infrastructure could have been compromised during the period it was known about but not patched yet?
223[01:12:23] <simbalion`> JyZyXEL: Yes, it definitely means that, you should assume there will be some disclosures of large hacks in the next 1-2 years as a result
224[01:12:28] <JyZyXEL> like developers signing keys for example
225[01:13:11] <dondelelcaro> JyZyXEL: this is one of the reasons why signing keys generally shouldn't be on an unaudited device
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227[01:13:40] <dondelelcaro> JyZyXEL: and things like Yubikeys and similar are becoming more and more widely used
228[01:13:44] <simbalion`> These days, you should simply assume that your data is not secure and you should take steps to protect yourself and mitigate damage in the event of a breach, such as using unique passwords on all sites
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231[01:15:08] <dondelelcaro> of course, pretty much anytime that someone can run arbitrary code on your device, you're going to have a bad time
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237[01:19:16] <mavhq> But as everything is a web browser, that's all the time
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246[01:24:53] <mnuhmnuh> simbalion`: replaced-url
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352[02:13:55] <hanasaki> is there a good comparison what what vdisk formats for kvm are better for what?
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429[02:27:38] <Antoninus> Does the distros pushing for hardened packages lately have anything to do with the recently disclosed CPU bugs?
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432[02:31:06] <themill> not really. Debian has been progressively adding hardening compiler options for over a decade
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434[02:31:38] <Agafnd> hey, if a program just crashed, how to get a coredump & backtrace?
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440[02:34:21] <simbalion`> I wonder if meltdown will lead to a retirement of x86
441[02:35:27] <simbalion`> that'd be neat, something exciting happening in consumer computer hardware for the first time in like 30 years
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443[02:37:37] <hanasaki> what is the url for debian stretch security updates for apt?
444[02:38:30] <mutante> hanasaki: i have: deb replaced-url
445[02:38:45] <mutante> (well, i didn't mean to advocate non-free :p)
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447[02:39:19] <hanasaki> mutante: especially for security, I would prefer an httpS
448[02:39:36] <hanasaki> he repository 'replaced-url
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450[02:39:39] <mutante> hanasaki: apt-transport-https - https download transport for APT
451[02:39:50] <mutante> (not sure, but that is the package for that)
452[02:40:06] <mutante> you cant just put https links into it without that
453[02:40:08] <Antoninus> hanasaki, FBI doing a MITM on you or something? :P
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455[02:40:45] <hanasaki> Antoninus: lol you don't think https is good idea?
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457[02:40:53] <simbalion`> hanasaki: if you're concerned about security then you should use https for all packages not only patches
458[02:41:04] <Antoninus> hanasaki, it is
459[02:41:29] <mutante> well, apt-transport-https - https download transport for APT
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461[02:41:36] <Antoninus> Was just making a joke
462[02:41:42] <mutante> "The owner of security.debian.org has configured their website improperly. "
463[02:42:08] <mutante> The certificate is only valid for replaced-url
464[02:42:10] <mutante> :p
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467[02:43:58] <hanasaki> The repository 'replaced-url
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471[02:44:59] <simbalion`> there's no reason not to use https for everything really
472[02:45:16] <simbalion`> if you're on a wifi, especially a public one like a cafe or library or hotel, you should be encrypting everything
473[02:45:45] <simbalion`> there's a free app for android and ios with a one-click snoop mode that'll show you the traffic of anyone sharing a wifi node with you
474[02:46:08] <themill> hanasaki: you asked earlier for the correct URL. Noone gave you that one.
475[02:46:28] <themill> (or the previous one you pasted)
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479[02:46:47] <themill> !stretch sources.list
480[02:46:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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489[02:50:34] <hanasaki> themill: replaced-url
490[02:50:34] <hanasaki> SSL: certificate subject name (replaced-url
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492[02:51:20] <themill> still not the right URL
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500[02:54:18] <hanasaki> themill: that is the url that was provided
501[02:54:40] <themill> not by anyone here
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507[02:56:04] <hanasaki> ttps://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates Release
508[02:56:04] <hanasaki> server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
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510[02:57:14] <themill> hanasaki: it's still the wrong URL...
511[02:57:31] <themill> and amazingly, when it's still the wrong URL, it's still wrong.
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514[02:57:47] <hanasaki> !stretch sources.list
515[02:57:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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518[02:58:37] <hanasaki> so you are saying that recommended security url is not over httpS?
519[02:58:51] <themill> That is correct.
520[02:58:59] <themill> You don't get to just change URLs and expect that they work
521[02:59:08] <themill> !https security.debian.org
522[02:59:08] <dpkg> Downloads from security.debian.org are protected by GPG signatures so can't be modified in transit which provides better assurance than trusting some random certificate issuer for https; ask me about <secure apt>. If you still think https is of any benefit for your downloads, then see replaced-url
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524[03:00:49] <hanasaki> thank you
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531[03:04:09] <simbalion`> "better assurance than trusting _some random_ certificate issuer" uh... there's nothing "random" about certificate issuance, that's the whole point of the trust model.
532[03:04:28] <themill> except there is
533[03:04:49] <themill> any certificate issuer can help anyone MITM you if they want
534[03:04:52] <simbalion`> I read the process for being a CA, it's not random, it's not trivial
535[03:05:00] <themill> (and there are documented examples of this happening)
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537[03:05:14] <simbalion`> documented examples? Please provide, that sounds like an interesting story
538[03:05:50] <themill> a couple of years ago there were fake google.com certs floating about courtesy of a CA that was widely trusted
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540[03:06:02] <simbalion`> Do you remember which CA?
541[03:06:35] <themill> One that has since been removed from trust stores iirc.
542[03:06:57] <simbalion`> that isn't really helpful, I've heard of some issues with big CAs like Symantec and such in the past but they're still around
543[03:07:15] <simbalion`> But HTTPS isn't only about trusting data it's about privacy, I wouldn't want a snoop to be able to see what packages I'm installing
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545[03:07:28] <themill> that's trivially done even with https
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547[03:07:32] <prasket> Ever since the last large Debian Stretch update a couple of weeks ago my notebook will randomly freeze and lock up, eventually rebooting. I have used Debian for a few years on this same notebook without issues. I have even reinstalled but same issue. Where do I start to diagnose this? I tried looking at the logs but nothing was jumping out.
548[03:07:45] <simbalion`> themill: how so?
549[03:08:00] <themill> simbalion`: it's a limited set of things to look at and they have well known sizes
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551[03:08:10] <simbalion`> prasket: software, probably the GPU drivers. hardware, could be ram or cpu or power supply
552[03:08:32] <somiaj> prasket: lockups could be something to do with the kernel. One thing you may try is figure out what upgrade (likely a kernel) caused the problem, downgrade the kernel and see if it still happens.
553[03:08:34] <themill> and of course you're trusting the mirror operator to not lose their logs
554[03:09:06] <somiaj> prasket: Note older kernels will have security bugs, but this will let you know if the change is some regresion in the kernel or hardware. If it crashes on the older kernel you use to know it works on, it could be more hardare related.
555[03:09:12] <simbalion`> themill: well if the mirror operator is compromised that's a bad thing, but I am thinking only about mitm attacks, such as updating your notebook at a hotel
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557[03:10:02] <simbalion`> I am of the opinion that it's 2018 and 100% of internet traffic should be encrypted by default. There's really no good reason to transmit anything in plain text anymore.
558[03:10:18] <prasket> somiaj: OK thank you for the suggestion. I will look into the update and if kernel rolling it back.
559[03:10:23] <themill> simbalion`: it's still trivial to work out what the package is over https so you're getting no protection there
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561[03:10:50] <simbalion`> themill: that's unfortunate and it seems like it could be addressed
562[03:10:51] <prasket> simbalion`: thanks for chiming in as well.
563[03:10:57] <Agafnd> it's all right to attach files to bug reports, right?
564[03:11:07] <themill> security.d.o also can't cope with the traffic and when offloading happens, the certs would be broken
565[03:11:08] <prasket> I agree about all traffic should be encrypted
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567[03:11:40] <simbalion`> offloading can handle certs it'd just require a new handshake. so it might add a second or two to your updates
568[03:11:42] <themill> a kernel update is enough to take the set of security.d.o mirrors off the network
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575[03:14:32] <simbalion`> I remember listening to cell phone calls on my black and white TV set in the 1990s because they analog radio signals.. then digital phones became the standard and it became basically impossible to snoop on phone calls. that was almost 20 years ago... the internet should catch up.
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598[03:31:32] <maher> I'm trying to install on a laptop with an internal eMMC drive, which the installer doesn't seem to see, but it shows up in lspci - any advice?
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624[03:48:53] <lrvick> So I know about usbmount but does anyone have any suggested well supported methods of auto-mounting an sd-card?
625[03:49:06] <GeHa> So you could talk about the wine egain ?
626[03:49:09] <lrvick> without a DE or anything
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628[03:50:28] <annadane> GeHa, what's your question? is it about WINE?
629[03:50:34] <annadane> (wine is not an emulator)
630[03:51:25] <GeHa> wow, did not I say this in gentoo channel ?
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632[03:51:44] <GeHa> I can tell my issue
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635[03:53:13] <annadane> no; this is debian
636[03:54:03] <GeHa> lrvick, I just know if you have something like pcmanfm, you can set it to automount, but in gentoo, there is also some deep service which can do it too. I never installed it thougt.
637[03:54:43] <DerLGm> THIS IS SPARTA *okdone*
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639[03:54:50] <annadane> we're much friendlier than gentoo. =)
640[03:55:03] <DerLGm> .beer annadane
641[03:55:08] <GeHa> I see )
642[03:55:18] <DerLGm> Hmm...
643[03:55:57] <DerLGm> Ah I see- datase isn't on this channel
644[03:57:20] <GeHa> I wanted wine for games, so I chose wine-d3d9 right ? so, live for speed works(dx9) need for speed U2 is broken and partially visible track, and roblox studio does not work, or is it even possible to connect to a server from command line ? Is there a game to test that wine fully works ?
645[03:57:37] <maher> ok - so the testing installer seems to work - is there an easy way of getting stable istalled with a testing kernel?
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649[03:58:06] <themill> maher: that kernel is available from stretch-backports
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652[03:59:10] <themill> maher: do you actually need it at install time or is installing that kernel afterwards OK?
653[03:59:13] <GeHa> now you know)
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669[04:07:35] <maher> themill: i need it at install time
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676[04:10:58] <themill> maher: you should be able to install stable using the testing installer (in expert mode) and then install the stretch-backports kernel before rebooting
677[04:11:24] <maher> themill: thanks!
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680[04:12:08] <GeHa> annadane, wanted to know ?
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699[04:23:38] <annadane> ,v wine-d3d9
700[04:23:39] <judd> No package named 'wine-d3d9' was found in amd64.
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702[04:23:51] <annadane> well, i have no idea how to answer your question
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705[04:24:17] <annadane> but again this is for debian and not gentoo
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715[04:28:53] <GeHa> there is also question about a game which would test the functionality of wine
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717[04:29:41] <JackFrost> I have StarCraft to "test" wine with, but last I knew I needed wine-staging for that to work now.
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727[04:31:33] <annadane> GeHa, in general, you can search on WINE's website to see how games rank
728[04:31:40] <annadane> in terms of how well they work with WINE
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732[04:35:52] <pacha> is there a script or program to check for the best debian mirror for my connection? I have a 30mb down link but I get 300kbps, I am in Argentina atm
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743[04:42:21] <GeHa> pacha, I know how to create it in php
744[04:43:04] <GeHa> (but dont worry it would all use native linux commands)
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773[05:00:41] <mandeep> have there been any reports of intel gpu issues on the newest stable kernel?
774[05:00:52] <Sveta> CPU or GPU?
775[05:00:55] <mandeep> gpu
776[05:01:03] <mandeep> well integrated gpu
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778[05:01:50] <mandeep> im seeing heavy display stuttering when using an IDE and the only thing i can think of that has changed is the kernel
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782[05:03:25] <mandeep> well not it's happening no matter what. may be a hardware issue
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784[05:03:28] <mandeep> now*
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838[05:47:33] <jupitk> Where can I find information on the PTI problem for Intel CPU's? And is Debian going to use "nopti" for AMD CPU's when that update comes to stretch?
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840[05:47:51] <jupitk> That is Debian related information.
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851[05:50:14] <jim> jupitk, what if you try googling for this: debian intel cpu pti problem
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855[05:51:48] <jim> and, I dunno what debian's plans are regarding nopti and AMD cpus, maybe a google would find an article about that, I dunno
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859[05:53:57] <jupitk> Ten different phoronix pages about the problem and other useless copy/paste news about linux, nothing about when Debian is getting the patch, nothing about if Debian is going to use "nopti" for AMD CPU's.
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864[05:56:29] <somiaj> jupitk: I would wait until the debian team releases a DSA on the details of what gets done in debian.
865[05:56:42] <somiaj> this is still new, and any patch still needs to be backported
866[05:56:50] <somiaj> (well new, interms of the news)
867[05:56:57] <jupitk> Ok, that's why I was asking. I couldn't find anything on it.
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871[05:57:56] <somiaj> redhat only today released fixes for rhel7, and that has enterprise support, I expect the fixes to move through the other distros about on a reasonable time line
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874[05:59:33] <somiaj> there appears to be three cve's assoicated with this you can track on security-tracker.debian.org, right now they are mostly just resreved for when info is ready to be released.
875[06:00:08] <jupitk> Alright, I'll check that.
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924[06:49:32] <un214> we got a patch for meltdown yet?
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939[07:06:37] <zerocool> how easy is that to exploit, is it called 'meltdown'?
940[07:07:11] <zerocool> it's basically like a buffer overflow yeah?
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1001[08:05:08] <hays_> is this OK sources.list? replaced-url
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1004[08:06:06] <echelon> how do i find out which package contains a particular file
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1006[08:06:25] <somiaj> echelon: installed on your system, or one that you want to install?
1007[08:06:41] <echelon> somiaj: i want to install
1008[08:06:51] <somiaj> echelon: use apt-file or packages.debian.org
1009[08:07:04] <echelon> thanks
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1012[08:07:47] <echelon> somiaj: can i narrow search in packages.debian.org by arch?
1013[08:07:48] <somiaj> hays_: I would use deb.debian.org insteald of http.debian.net and ftp.us.debian.org as your mirrors. I cannot comment on how well the packages from nginx integrate with debian, but debian does provide ngnix. Just be careful with third party repos.
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1015[08:08:07] <somiaj> echelon: I'm unsure
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1018[08:09:24] <hays_> somiaj: and that backports line is ok right?
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1021[08:09:56] <somiaj> hays_: I would use deb.debian.org as mentioned.
1022[08:10:09] <hays_> right
1023[08:10:58] <echelon> seems libgcc-*-dev is only available for i386 and ia64
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1025[08:11:45] <somiaj> and not amd64?
1026[08:12:00] <themill> that rather depends on what * is
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1029[08:12:34] <echelon> the version # of libgcc
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1031[08:12:46] <themill> which one though?
1032[08:12:52] <themill> ,archs libgcc-6-dev
1033[08:12:53] <judd> Package libgcc-6-dev in stretch: amd64 (6.3.0-18), arm64 (6.3.0-18), armel (6.3.0-18), armhf (6.3.0-18), i386 (6.3.0-18), mips (6.3.0-18), mips64el (6.3.0-18), mipsel (6.3.0-18), ppc64el (6.3.0-18), s390x (6.3.0-18)
1034[08:12:58] <echelon> replaced-url
1035[08:13:14] <echelon> i need it for arm
1036[08:13:24] <themill> there is no arm architecure
1037[08:13:50] <echelon> [arm64] [armel] [armhf] etc
1038[08:13:54] <themill> Perhaps you could start again and ask a more precise question to save us having to guess
1039[08:14:00] <themill> well which?
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1041[08:14:25] <echelon> any one of those would be a good start
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1045[08:16:46] <themill> What are you actually trying to do? Your question as I currently understand it makes no sense.
1046[08:17:15] <themill> Which release of debian and which debian architecture?
1047[08:18:18] <echelon> i'm trying to get a package that contains mm_malloc.h for armhf
1048[08:18:25] <echelon> jessie
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1050[08:18:29] <themill> why? that's an odd thing to want
1051[08:18:41] <echelon> what makes you think that would be odd?
1052[08:19:14] <nix64bit> its a c header lib for memory aloc i image
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1054[08:19:29] <themill> code would not be touching that file
1055[08:19:39] <echelon> what?
1056[08:20:37] <themill> It contains private implementation details for gcc
1057[08:21:12] <nix64bit> did you get an error doing something?
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1059[08:21:20] <echelon> yeah, that's why it's contained in libgcc-dev
1060[08:21:45] <echelon> nix64bit: yeah, i'm trying to compile something that wants mm_malloc.h
1061[08:22:02] <nix64bit> so its a c program?
1062[08:22:07] <echelon> yes
1063[08:22:12] <themill> can we please get away from "something"s and see real output in a pastebin?
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1065[08:22:42] <echelon> Mem_unix.cpp:32:26: fatal error: mm_malloc.h: No such file or directory
1066[08:22:48] <nix64bit> that would help or at least lessen the mystery
1067[08:23:08] <themill> the whole lot
1068[08:23:11] <nix64bit> have you installed gcc ?
1069[08:23:17] <echelon> yes
1070[08:23:22] <nix64bit> setup tools
1071[08:23:37] <echelon> yeah, build-tools
1072[08:24:08] <echelon> and whatever dependencies
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1074[08:24:36] <echelon> is this adequate? replaced-url
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1078[08:25:52] <nix64bit> what package are you trying to build?
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1084[08:27:33] <nix64bit> you might have the wrong architecture
1085[08:27:41] <themill> echelon: can you pastebin that cpp file?
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1087[08:28:03] <echelon> there's a branch dedicated just for arm.. replaced-url
1088[08:29:08] <themill> echelon: did you tell it that you're compiling for arm?
1089[08:29:17] <echelon> themill: replaced-url
1090[08:29:22] <echelon> i'm not cross-compiling
1091[08:29:40] <themill> that's not what I asked. Look at the code -- compiling for arm should not need that file
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1095[08:30:01] <echelon> oh ok
1096[08:30:08] <echelon> yeah, not sure how that's defined
1097[08:30:55] <nix64bit> i think you have your answer
1098[08:31:06] <themill> replaced-url
1099[08:31:31] <themill> Their version of "arm" is much more powerful
1100[08:32:06] <echelon> my version has neon/hardware aes support as well
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1102[08:33:15] <echelon> hrm.. replaced-url
1103[08:33:34] <echelon> i think i need to checkout from that
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1105[08:33:56] <echelon> thanks
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1109[08:35:15] <themill> echelon: they're looking only at 64 bit arm while armhf is 32 bit. (and aarch64 stuff is much newer and more expensive than anything that you'd have jessie on)
1110[08:35:48] <echelon> hrm
1111[08:35:56] <themill> oh, we did manage arm64 for jessie, just
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1113[08:36:57] <echelon> HEAD is now at aa4f8b6
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1115[08:37:00] <echelon> wasn't merged
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1117[08:37:14] <echelon> thanks again
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1134[08:41:23] <echelon> success :)
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1148[08:44:21] <themill> :)
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1168[08:55:40] <Agiofws> hello
1169[08:55:48] <echelon> hey
1170[08:56:46] <Agiofws> i'd like to add a home folder and all its dirs under it to get access RW to another user can anyone help me with this issue
1171[08:57:36] <echelon> you can use a common group
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1175[08:58:14] <echelon> add your user to that group, and make the home dir group readable/writable
1176[08:58:27] <Agiofws> this is the folder /home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/ and all its dirs under it
1177[08:58:47] <echelon> or you can use access control lists, which you'll have to enable for your fs
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1179[08:59:13] <Agiofws> i've tried both buts i'm stalling somewhere
1180[08:59:18] <Agiofws> but*
1181[08:59:40] <echelon> oh
1182[09:00:14] <echelon> it probably won't be reachable since probably the parent directories are restricted
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1184[09:00:39] <Anvesh> can you plz help how to upload a file using a lfi
1185[09:01:22] <Agiofws> do you mean that /home folder chould have groupname for the user that wants to access the folder?
1186[09:02:27] <echelon> yeah, i would just create a dir outside of the home dir, and just create a symlink to it in your Documents dir
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1188[09:03:33] <echelon> eg, ln -s /tmp/special-docs /home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs
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1191[09:05:34] <Agiofws> echelon: i don't have access to /home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/ and my user is for example bill
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1193[09:06:06] <Agiofws> i want user bill to access everything r+w everything under special-docs/
1194[09:07:04] <Agiofws> i can't even cd in to it
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1197[09:07:41] <Agiofws> and special-docs does have my group name example bill
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1199[09:08:30] <Agiofws> echelon: what does the + sign mean drwxrwxr-x+ foe special-docs/ ?
1200[09:08:33] <Agiofws> for*
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1205[09:11:21] <somiaj> Agiofws: I think it means extended attributes, look at xattr package
1206[09:11:52] <somiaj> also look up ACL (access control lists)
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1224[09:25:19] <Johnie> How to configure a PPPoE Dual Stack (IPv4 & IPv6) Server?
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1227[09:27:29] <Dagger> you've asked that in both #openwrt and #debian. I can understand ##networking, in which you also asked, but asking in two vendor-specific channels doesn't make much sense unless you've decided to swap from openwrt to debian on your router in the past 40 minutes
1228[09:27:41] <Dagger> which... is perfectly possible, I guess
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1245[09:38:17] <Neomex> is there opposite command to su without quitting terminal?
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1266[09:58:39] <Johnie> Can anyone recommend a software based solution for creating a PPPoE Dual Stack (IPv4 & IPv6) Server ?
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1270[09:59:36] <niko> Johnie: i suggest to not repaste same messages in multi channels
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1280[10:06:22] <Johnie> sorr
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1284[10:09:20] <RoyK> Anyone that knows how I can print the *last* row with awk? I have lines like asdf;asdf and asdf;123;456;qewr
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1286[10:10:33] <SirLagz> RoyK: as in print just qewr and asdf, or print 'asdf;123;456;qwer' ?
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1288[10:11:44] <RoyK> just the last element, so something like awk -F\; '{ print $last }'
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1290[10:13:41] <SirLagz> print $NF
1291[10:14:33] <RoyK> thanks :)
1292[10:14:44] <SirLagz> RoyK: np
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1315[10:28:15] <Mad_Dud> guys,
1316[10:29:03] <Mad_Dud> where is "meltdown" and "spectre" issue tracked in debian??
1317[10:29:21] <jelly> Mad_Dud, if you know the CVE numbers, use
1318[10:29:25] <jelly> !tracker of doom
1319[10:29:25] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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1321[10:29:43] <Mad_Dud> CVE‌-2017-5753 CVE‌-2017-5715 CVE‌-2017-5754
1322[10:29:46] <Mad_Dud> thanks jelly
1323[10:30:14] <jelly> !cve lookup CVE-2017-5753
1324[10:30:14] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2017-5753 may be found at replaced-url
1325[10:30:16] <Mad_Dud> i wish I knew the kernel version, that mitigates the vuln
1326[10:31:14] <Mad_Dud> jelly, looking at your page -can i asume that if i have a kernel number higher than listed, than I have a patched system?
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1329[10:32:18] <jelly> Mad_Dud, no. You can assume that if you have a package version equal or larger than the one saying "fixed" for your release. (And there's no version "fixed" yet at all for any Debian release)
1330[10:32:38] <Mad_Dud> jelly, understood.
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1344[10:40:27] <rendar> why my rasp which has raspbian jessie has linux kernel 4.9, instead my desktop amd64 which has jessie too, has linux 3.16?!
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1346[10:43:41] <Haohmaru> isn't "jessie" kinda old now?
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1348[10:44:01] <rendar> i think so
1349[10:44:08] <rendar> i just wanted to understand why this difference
1350[10:44:16] <Haohmaru> then why are you wondering
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1352[10:44:29] <rendar> why shouldn't i?
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1354[10:44:46] <rendar> i see different kernls, so i ask here
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1356[10:44:54] <Haohmaru> if you want recent kernel on your linux you should be using a recent version of the distribution
1357[10:45:12] <Haohmaru> maybe "jessie" is the "most recent" version for rasp-whatever
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1360[10:45:48] <Haohmaru> but it's definately not the most recent for the desktop
1361[10:46:00] <rendar> ok, i see
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1363[10:46:12] <rendar> i guess the most recent is sid
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1365[10:46:37] <Haohmaru> stretch afaik
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1367[10:46:47] <Haohmaru> sid is not a stable version
1368[10:46:48] <Olufunmilayo> Mad_Dud, , only if you want to manually patch
1369[10:46:49] <rendar> but stretch is the unstable one
1370[10:47:03] <Haohmaru> no, stretch is debian 9
1371[10:47:13] <Olufunmilayo> sid is the unstable on
1372[10:47:16] <Olufunmilayo> *one
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1374[10:47:27] <Haohmaru> "sid" afaik is the "rolling" version
1375[10:47:30] <xorAxAx> hmm, no meltdown patches for 9 yet?
1376[10:47:34] <Mad_Dud> Olufunmilayo: you mean recompiling the kernel
1377[10:47:36] <rendar> rolling? what you mean?
1378[10:47:39] <Mad_Dud> yeah, i will wait.
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1380[10:47:55] <Haohmaru> render it rolls like a wheel ;P~
1381[10:48:02] <Haohmaru> in time
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1384[10:48:31] <rendar> what about i want to install the most recent testing debian? not the stable one, too old
1385[10:48:44] <Haohmaru> that's "sid" then
1386[10:48:55] <somiaj> rendar: one difference is raspbian is not debian, so they will change things like kernels. There are enough differences that we don't support raspbian here.
1387[10:49:05] <nikitasius> hey folks! have a question: new "pti" patch only for 4.15 kernel? nothing for 4.9.* ?
1388[10:49:10] <rendar> somiaj, ok that makes sense, thanks
1389[10:49:12] <somiaj> rendar: if your quesiton was about debian jessie, you can get the 4.9 kernel in jessie-backports if needed.
1390[10:49:20] <Olufunmilayo> Mad_Dud, as far as I'm guessing yes, I need to re read what linus said. xorAxAx don't think anyone has a patch out yet, only manual patch
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1393[10:49:35] <xorAxAx> Olufunmilayo: redhat, vmware, etc. all have patched their systems
1394[10:49:38] <rendar> somiaj, i want just to update the overall system, i see quite a lot of old packets here
1395[10:49:46] <somiaj> nikitasius: you are going to have to wait for the patches to be backported, I expect debian security will get them up about the same as they get backported elsewhere.
1396[10:49:52] <Olufunmilayo> Well I stand corrected in that case
1397[10:50:11] <xorAxAx> looks like they have not coordinated with debian well
1398[10:50:20] <somiaj> rendar: stretch is the current release, it is what I suggest for people to run as it is stable and well tested.
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1400[10:50:30] * Olufunmilayo realized today that his winblows DISM was all borked
1401[10:50:33] <Olufunmilayo> fun stuff
1402[10:50:54] <Mad_Dud> Olufunmilayo i have no balls to compile the kernel on production ._.
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1404[10:50:58] <nikitasius> somiaj: ok. well i will wait :) anyway thats a crap, shit and idk how to call it.. seriosly: we have a HOLE in a HARDWARE OMG. Thats tourns me crazy. And not only Intel. AMD& ARM folks too.
1405[10:51:01] <somiaj> xorAxAx: the only redhat patch I saw was for 7, not 6, but yes I expect as the it starts to get backported to more systems debian will push out a fix as soon as they can.
1406[10:52:02] <rendar> somiaj, the thing is, debian stable has had always old packets..since i develop i want more recent packets, but not the latests which will blow up everything, just the middle ones, so i think 'testing' is what i need, am i right?
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1411[10:53:29] <somiaj> rendar: really depends on what you develop, there are lots of ways to have newer development enviroments on a stable system. But choice is yours, depends on how much you like to debug things that dont' work in testing
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1413[10:54:24] <somiaj> nikitasius: oh yea, was it better the last few months you didn't know about it. Anyways, I hope the fix is soon too, as this has been a very hot topic today.
1414[10:54:26] <nikitasius> rendar: not always. I.e. debian 8 have libpam-mysql 0.7 from 2006.. while debian 9 have actual (yes, god, sha1) lib from ~2015 or 2016.
1415[10:54:30] <rendar> somiaj, for instance, stable always gave me a very old version of gcc, so i couldn't test newer thing, i want to avoid this
1416[10:55:10] <somiaj> rendar: it is sometimes worthwhile to build in clean chroot enviorments, but yes, stable versions are frozen and may not have all the build tools you want.
1417[10:55:31] <nikitasius> somiaj: i prefer like it now, i love when reality fucks me. Thats better than think what all is ok. Thats keep me up and keep my "paranoid_mode=on"
1418[10:55:41] <rendar> exactly, since i want to avoid this, i need sid, right?
1419[10:56:25] <somiaj> rendar: or just create isolated enviorments to build in with the build tools you need. I can create a sid chroot to build things in.
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1421[10:56:39] <somiaj> but am only a hobbiest and don't really know what features you need. gcc-6 is in stretch.
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1424[10:57:01] <rendar> somiaj, well, how to do that?
1425[10:57:09] <nikitasius> have a nice day folks! need to reboot and work :|
1426[10:57:15] <nikitasius> vive le debian <3
1427[10:58:06] <somiaj> rendar: replaced-url
1428[10:58:12] <rendar> i also want patch kernel for the latest intel kpci bug
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1430[10:58:18] <somiaj> rendar: lots of different guids (and tools) for building things in a chroots.
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1434[11:00:56] <somiaj> rendar: well if you want security support, debian stable is suggested. testing gets fairly slow security support
1435[11:01:09] <rendar> hmm, i see
1436[11:01:28] <rendar> somiaj, can i tell debian stable to use the latest linux kernel version, and the latest version of some tool, say gcc?
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1441[11:03:37] <somiaj> rendar: rolling your own kernel is possible, you can get newer kernels from backports, but these are usually a version behind latest
1442[11:04:14] <rendar> and for packets like gcc?
1443[11:04:15] <somiaj> as for gcc, I think you can install newer versions of gcc, but you may want to be vareful with build libaries and headers (such as libc6) and just use chroots to do the buildling in, and put the newer version of gcc in the chroot
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1446[11:04:58] <somiaj> If you know how debian works you can integrate your own local software and or make your own packages, but some things you don't really want to change.
1447[11:05:21] <rendar> ok
1448[11:05:45] <rendar> btw, this is a HUGE kernel bug, so also testing and such must patch it
1449[11:05:54] <rendar> this is the largest bug intel ever had, for Christ sake
1450[11:06:02] <Mad_Dud> true
1451[11:06:08] <rendar> so how to patch it/
1452[11:06:36] <Mad_Dud> rendar: there is no patch yet released by debian
1453[11:06:56] <rendar> red hat did it
1454[11:07:10] <somiaj> you could compile your own kernel if you wanted, but I expect the patches to be backported
1455[11:07:17] <Antoninus> rendar, grab hammer, apply hammer to CPU. Repeat until it turns into tiny bits.
1456[11:07:20] <somiaj> redhat is a coorperation, debian is voluenteers
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1459[11:07:57] <xorAxAx> yeah, certainly bigger than FDIV - who remembers that intel bug? :-)
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1461[11:08:08] <rendar> I do
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1464[11:08:36] <Antoninus> Is 4.14.11 compatible with jessie?
1465[11:08:52] <rendar> somiaj, right, corporation and you can even buy red hat stocks, btw, when there are those epic events, this should be priority #1
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1470[11:09:44] <xorAxAx> how about buying transmeta or fairchild stocks? or DEC stocks? :-D
1471[11:09:45] <JyZyXEL> Antoninus: yes, seems to work alright
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1475[11:10:19] <Antoninus> rendar, you could compile the latest kernel version yourself if you want it that bad
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1478[11:10:42] <Antoninus> Since it seems to work with Jessie. I compiled 4.14.11 myself, but I'm on sid.
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1484[11:12:36] <Antoninus> lol replaced-url
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1487[11:13:43] <Antoninus> More interested to know just how hard it is to do it with javascript in a browser
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1493[11:17:37] <bendem> I'm looking at replaced-url
1494[11:17:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1498[11:18:59] <somiaj> bendem: can't you just install the package it is missing? usually normal bugs don't get fixed in stable as it is a frozen system.
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1502[11:19:47] <bendem> I could yeah, was just wondering
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1504[11:19:59] <somiaj> Antoninus: it should be, 4.9 runs on jessie, you would just have to compile it yourself. Unsure of any options you may need either.
1505[11:20:22] <somiaj> bendem: in general stable only gets grave bugs and security fixes.
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1511[11:21:32] <bendem> I see, thanks
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1537[11:30:21] <Meerkat> how are ryzen CPUs working on Debian 9? Is the kernel recent enough to support them?
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1553[11:31:29] <VampiricPadraig> YOU SHITFACES ARE USING DEBIAN LOLOLOL UBUNTU IS WAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ROFL...THE INTEL BUG DOES NOT EFFECT UBUNTU YOU IDIOTS!!! LOLOLOL:
1554[11:31:29] <VampiricPadraig> YOU SHITFACES ARE USING DEBIAN LOLOLOL UBUNTU IS WAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ROFL...THE INTEL BUG DOES NOT EFFECT UBUNTU YOU IDIOTS!!! LOLOLOL:
1555[11:31:29] <Jack_oro99> | // /. . o
1556[11:31:30] <VampiricPadraig> YOU SHITFACES ARE USING DEBIAN LOLOLOL UBUNTU IS WAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ROFL...THE INTEL BUG DOES NOT EFFECT UBUNTU YOU IDIOTS!!! LOLOLOL:
1557[11:31:30] <VampiricPadraig> YOU SHITFACES ARE USING DEBIAN LOLOLOL UBUNTU IS WAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER ROFL...THE INTEL BUG DOES NOT EFFECT UBUNTU YOU IDIOTS!!! LOLOLOL:
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1559[11:31:31] <Folken> | // /. . o
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1562[11:31:31] <Kanabit> | | / | ______________________
1563[11:31:31] <araragi_koyomi_> | |( ( \(o) \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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1567[11:31:33] <rizonf> | ~ ~~ _')")
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1600[11:39:37] <brimonk> So, it seems that #debian is dead...
1601[11:39:38] <brimonk> :(
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1603[11:40:11] <annadane> brimonk, this is a support channel, do you have a question?
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1607[11:41:30] <brimonk> Unless you know anything about finetuning zfs and Postgres, not really.
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1610[11:42:01] <JustASlacker> anybody having a meltdown
1611[11:42:41] <JustASlacker> yet
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1615[11:42:59] <annadane> that isn't really relevant to #debian
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1634[11:50:48] <celyr> then use ubuntu
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1642[11:53:27] <rendar> with sid i will have debian 8 testing, right?
1643[11:53:33] <niko> :69
1644[11:53:35] <rendar> if i want debian 9 testing, i have to install buster?
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1646[11:54:02] <Ke> sid is closest to buster
1647[11:54:06] <annadane> rendar, i would say if you have to ask, stay on stable
1648[11:54:07] <Ke> right now
1649[11:54:16] <annadane> debian 9 is stretch, which is the current stable version
1650[11:54:21] <Ke> yes
1651[11:54:27] <annadane> debian 8 is jessie, which is oldstable
1652[11:54:31] <annadane> debian 10 is buster, aka testing
1653[11:54:33] <rendar> annadane, as i said before, it has too old packets
1654[11:54:45] <annadane> sid does not have a version number, it's just constantly a rolling release
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1658[11:55:14] <Ke> right now though both sid and buster report version as sid/buster to my annoyance
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1660[11:55:48] <rendar> i just need latest version of some packets, like gcc, someone suggested to use a chroot, but it's too much effort
1661[11:55:57] <rendar> can i just have strect+those new packets?
1662[11:56:13] <Ke> backports do contain some updates, but not everything
1663[11:56:27] <rendar> so what is my solution?
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1665[11:57:07] <annadane> if you want testing, then replaced-url
1666[11:57:16] <Ke> which package you want, you can search replaced-url
1667[11:57:24] <annadane> be aware that you're stuck on it, you can't downgrade to stable later
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1670[11:57:46] <Haohmaru> so if the ship sinks.. you sink with it ;P~
1671[11:57:57] <Ke> though buster will be stable later on
1672[11:58:02] <Ke> in 2 years or so
1673[11:58:07] <rendar> exactly
1674[11:58:13] <rendar> can i get buster right now?
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1677[11:58:27] <Haohmaru> Ke isn't "buster" a rolling version too?
1678[11:58:31] <Ke> no
1679[11:58:32] <annadane> yes; buster is testing, though it's still in development
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1682[11:58:59] <Ke> stretch was what buster is now
1683[11:59:08] <Ke> testing name changes
1684[11:59:09] <Haohmaru> x_x
1685[11:59:10] <annadane> you can put "buster" in your sources, which will be testing now and stable when it hits stable, or "testing" if you want to use bullseye which will be the testing when buster is stable
1686[11:59:40] <rendar> annadane, yeah that's my solution, using the 'testing' string
1687[11:59:43] <annadane> bullseye when buster is stable, anyway. not now; for now you get buster anyway
1688[11:59:45] <Ke> notably it is relevant, whether you have testing or buster in sources.list, buster will stick to stable eventually, testing will never get stabilized
1689[11:59:46] <Haohmaru> okay, i don't need to understand the details, hadn't had enough coffee yet and my head hurts
1690[11:59:58] <annadane> anyway, buyer beware and all that
1691[12:00:00] <rendar> annadane, so i have to subsstitute jessie with teesting overall my source.lst file
1692[12:00:10] <annadane> errrrr
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1695[12:00:18] <annadane> no, if you're on jessie you should upgrade to stretch first
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1698[12:00:28] <annadane> because jessie is oldstable, stretch is current stable
1699[12:00:29] <rendar> oh for f. sake!
1700[12:00:33] <rendar> right..
1701[12:00:43] <annadane> so if you're complaining about "old packages", that's probably why
1702[12:00:57] <rendar> so i have to substitute `jessie` with `stretch` and do apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
1703[12:01:04] <annadane> well, read the release notes
1704[12:01:18] <annadane> replaced-url
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1710[12:02:10] <annadane> and specifically replaced-url
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1713[12:03:54] <annadane> basically you replace jessie with stretch, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade, but yes, read the actual release notes
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1746[12:22:33] <DrBunsen> Hey, has there been a security patch for meltdown for Debian?
1747[12:22:44] <xorAxAx> not yet according to security.debian.org
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1749[12:23:13] <DrBunsen> xorAxAx: ok, ty.
1750[12:24:05] <annadane> soon
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1752[12:26:06] <DrBunsen> I am not particularly concerned, but I just wanted to know.
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1763[12:33:30] <Leoneof> hi, I've local server with local repository (used reprepro) for Debian testing on pc1, my pc2 cannot get updates from local repository because it is not signed, replaced-url
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1766[12:35:06] <towo^work> Leoneof, sign it?
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1774[12:37:19] <Leoneof> towo^work: i have no idea how to sign it, i followed many websites and they are talking about gpg and keys, messy :|
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1778[12:38:31] <ralpheeee> noob question netinstall without DE would be the same as the server install?
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1780[12:38:57] <ralpheeee> if not ...what would be the main diff?
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1784[12:39:40] <gpunk> yes same as server ... but you have to install server packages
1785[12:39:46] <gpunk> see task-sel
1786[12:40:00] <gpunk> tasksel*
1787[12:40:37] <ralpheeee> gpunk: thxs!
1788[12:40:40] <gpunk> :)
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1792[12:41:31] <annadane> ralpheeee, the debian installer does provide the option for a server, which installs the apache2 package
1793[12:42:10] <annadane> (if you want)
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1796[12:43:51] <ralpheeee> yeah mainly trying to figure out the main diff between server / netinstall apart from the the very obvious X
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1806[12:47:04] <annadane> arr, X marks the spot. 'tis a treasure map!
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1808[12:47:07] <annadane> sorry.
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1821[12:50:30] <Agiofws> i've created user "foo" and i'd like to add an accessible r+w link to users foo home dir from user agiofws can anyone help me with this?
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1846[12:53:52] <Agiofws> i've created user "foo" and i'd like to add an accessible r+w link to users "foo" home dir from user agiofws can anyone help me with this?
1847[12:53:56] <jelly> Agiofws, you want rw access to all the files in different user's whole home dir? Why not just one subdirectory?
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1852[12:55:26] <Agiofws> jelly: the dir is /home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/ and everything under that ....
1853[12:55:32] <gpunk> you can checkout acl Agiofws
1854[12:55:47] <Agiofws> i've tried it but it doesn't work
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1858[12:55:58] <gpunk> weird
1859[12:56:08] <jesopo> what
1860[12:56:12] <gpunk> how did you do that ?
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1863[12:56:55] <leachim6> I thought people cared
1864[12:56:57] <Agiofws> setfacl -m user:foo:rw "/home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/"
1865[12:56:57] <leachim6> I was wrong :(
1866[12:56:59] <Agiofws> ?
1867[12:57:00] <jelly> Agiofws, that's not foo's home?
1868[12:57:00] <leachim6> it was just a hilight bomb
1869[12:57:13] <Agiofws> no its not
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1872[12:57:45] <jelly> Agiofws, so you want user foo to have rw access to /home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/ then?
1873[12:57:49] <gpunk> use eiciel :)
1874[12:57:53] <Agiofws> yip
1875[12:58:00] <gpunk> it s a GUI for acl
1876[12:58:58] <jelly> Agiofws, if you're using posix ACL, you also need to give the user executable permissions, and you need to set a mask
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1887[13:08:18] <gagrio> why, did setfacl -m user:foo:rw "/home/agiofws/Documents/special-docs/" not work?
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1891[13:10:05] <Megaf> Hi all
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1893[13:10:21] <Megaf> I accidentaly set my keyboard to a totally different keyboard layout
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1896[13:10:38] <Megaf> and now I can't type anything, not even in recovery mode it will accept my password
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1898[13:10:49] <Megaf> any idea of how can this be fixed?
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1909[13:16:45] <gladioacuto> hello
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1911[13:17:22] <gladioacuto> just installed 4.14.0.bpo on my stretch, and opening terminal I get -bash: ulimit: stack size: impossibile modificare il limite: Operazione non permessa
1912[13:17:45] <gladioacuto> the italian part means 'impossible to modify the limit, operation not permitted'
1913[13:17:59] <gladioacuto> this never happened with 4.13.0-1.bpo
1914[13:18:11] <gladioacuto> what happens? how to fix?
1915[13:19:19] <themill> Do you now have apparmor installed while you used not to? (wild guess)
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1927[13:26:19] <Aebian> Can someone guide me on X11 forwarding? I have a environment where I need to connect to a server (c) trough a jumpserver (b) in order to get a shell on my client (a). I'm now seeking a method to get a GUI application from C displayed on to A via XMING (X11 forward). If I try xeyes on B it works but nothing I tried works on C. I'm just unsure what needs to be done in order to get the GUI on A which is
1928[13:26:25] <Aebian> started at C. Due to restrictions it is not possible to edit the sshd config but since I'm able to forward X11 stuff from the jump server (b) it seems enabled
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1930[13:28:05] <unixbassen> Megaf: try opening a terminal and type setxkbmap us or do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
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1932[13:28:16] <darxmurf> hi all
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1934[13:28:39] <Megaf> unixbassen: that's the problem, I can't login
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1937[13:28:49] <Megaf> because all keys are changed
1938[13:28:53] <darxmurf> what the hell is this issue ? : replaced-url
1939[13:29:02] <unixbassen> Megaf: ahh bummer
1940[13:29:08] <darxmurf> how a kernel update can kill a BIOS Oo ?
1941[13:29:17] <Megaf> unixbassen: I solved the problem already, using SSH. But how would an end user fix that?
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1945[13:30:32] <unixbassen> Megaf: true
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1951[13:31:30] <gladioacuto> themill, you guess right. I purged apparmor because it was the trigger of freezing issue on my system. I documented it here, but do not have the links at the moment
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1960[13:34:14] <gpunk> darxmurf it can :)
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1964[13:35:24] <darxmurf> of course but why does it touch it ?
1965[13:35:43] <gpunk> there is interaction, mostly reading
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1968[13:35:52] <gpunk> but if it is wrongly done
1969[13:35:59] <gpunk> it can alter it
1970[13:36:05] <gpunk> and even bug it
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1977[13:38:30] <darxmurf> As we can see :D
1978[13:38:55] <gpunk> :)
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1984[13:43:50] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this: replaced-url
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1989[13:47:21] <darxmurf> well, probably :D
1990[13:47:35] <darxmurf> 200 °C is not really normal in any system
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1992[13:47:59] <gpunk> yes, that s too hot
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1994[13:48:18] <darxmurf> if you can still touch your disk, it means the probe is dead
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1996[13:48:25] <darxmurf> is you can't touch the disk, change it :D
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1998[13:48:34] <darxmurf> anyway... change it :)
1999[13:48:53] <gpunk> yeah after 200 degrees , it must have died anyway
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2002[13:49:17] <darxmurf> I don't think you can reach 200 °C anyway
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2005[13:50:41] <sir_wombat> solder will melt at about 230°C...
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2047[14:12:25] <zenpac> FYI: I had some errors upgrading liblouis-* packages. I just removed them as I dont use them, but my sources.list was fairly minimal.
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2054[14:14:11] <zenpac> replaced-url
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2059[14:16:02] <jelly> zenpac, you shouldn't use "stable" in sources.list, put the codename of a release in there instead, like "stretch"
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2086[14:26:59] <zenpac> jelly: ok.. ty
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2088[14:28:20] <jakecross> I'm new to Debian. I am trying to install Remmina (which I thnk should be there according to the packages search in the browser) but it cna't be found with apt-get
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2091[14:28:48] <jakecross> I am using Debian 9 and my mirrors list are all pointing to the UK mirrors
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2094[14:29:59] <dvs> ,v remmina
2095[14:30:00] <judd> Package: remmina on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-3; sid: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1
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2097[14:30:19] <dvs> nope, not in stretch
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2100[14:30:40] <jakecross> I have just found on the remmina site itself that I need to have the backports enabled. I'm not entirely sure what they means, but i will follow their instructions
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2102[14:30:53] <dvs> !backports
2103[14:30:53] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
2104[14:31:27] <jakecross> So remmina is available in a newer system but not the current one?
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2107[14:31:52] <jakecross> Thanks for the pointers :), I've got it now
2108[14:32:02] <dvs> backports can be used with the current stable
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2112[14:32:53] <jakecross> So backports are taken from unstable, and allowed to run in stable. Presumably there is no risk involved in making those backports available.
2113[14:33:02] <jakecross> no risk == minimal risk
2114[14:33:17] <dvs> minimal risk, yeah
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2130[14:33:46] <jakecross> at which point, perhaps I should be running unstable instead of stable. Is that wise? A simple upgrad epath from my current system?
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2133[14:34:06] <dvs> unstable is generally for developers
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2136[14:34:20] <jakecross> Other than wireless firmware, it's all been relatively painless and the system is running faster than any other distro I've installed (though on par with Slackware I guess)
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2148[14:36:03] <jakecross> I am using it as a development machine, so I guess unstable is where I want to be.
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2152[14:36:35] <jelly> ,v remmina
2153[14:36:36] <judd> Package: remmina on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-rcgit.24-3; sid: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1
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2155[14:36:50] <dvs> No, if you're developing Debian, then you should use unstable
2156[14:36:55] <jelly> dpkg, tell jakecross about stretch-backports
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2160[14:37:39] <jakecross> Ah. I have enabled backports to install remmina. I'll read more into it.
2161[14:38:04] <bogus-> I think there's nothing wrong with using unstable as a daily driver
2162[14:38:29] <dvs> bogus-, if you know how to fix its breakages
2163[14:38:45] <jelly> there's nothing wrong as long as you're not suggesting it to users not familiar with debian
2164[14:39:22] <jelly> and if a user can deal with unstable, they're not going to ask questions in here
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2167[14:39:39] <jakecross> I am unfamiliar with Debian... so that counts me out. It's just going to take me a while to get to grips with some of the Debian-isms that you lot know about already :)
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2171[14:40:50] <bogus-> sooo
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2174[14:41:09] <bogus-> how are you going to learn how to fix breakage when stuff doesn't break 8)
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2177[14:41:32] <jakecross> If nothing breaks, I will submit a bug report
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2179[14:41:53] <dvs> A bug report for what?
2180[14:42:33] <bogus-> <jelly> and if a user can deal with unstable, they're not going to ask questions in here
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2182[14:42:36] <bogus-> ehrm? wtf?
2183[14:42:56] <dvs> makes sense to me!
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2185[14:43:35] <bogus-> pepperidge farm remembers the time where IRC was to ask questions about stuff you fuck up
2186[14:44:00] <bogus-> or stuff you want to try
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2190[14:45:51] <bogus-> now you're suggesting debian unstable is extremely hard to manage, which imho, it isn't
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2194[14:46:41] <dvs> bogus-, it's not hard to manage but there's a good possibility that a breakage will come.
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2198[14:47:09] <dvs> at least much more likely than stable.
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2226[15:00:24] <tom[]> iirc, there was no new kernel in 9.2>9.3 upgrade so we will have to wait for a kernel with KPTI?
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2242[15:09:07] <megaTherion> what's the prefered way to enable system-wide wifi connection rather than on a per-user basis on Debian9?
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2247[15:12:32] <gladioacuto> themill, did you read my answer?
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2251[15:13:02] <gladioacuto> themill, did you read my answer?
2252[15:13:33] <mo_> hey; is there an update for the kernel to fix the last intel vulnerabilities?
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2255[15:15:01] <Psy-Q> megaTherion: i do it with wicd on the raspberry pi
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2264[15:17:18] <Psy-Q> megaTherion: oh no, i forgot! it's even easier than that. i just use wpa_supplicant directly in /etc/network/interfaces
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2270[15:19:14] <megaTherion> Psy-Q: ok great, thanks
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2274[15:20:47] <Psy-Q> megaTherion: roughly like this: replaced-url
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2278[15:21:20] <mo_> so does anybody know how to get the latest kernel patches for fixing the intel security issues ?
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2280[15:21:32] <Psy-Q> mo_: i don't think they're out yet
2281[15:21:46] <Psy-Q> if you mean ready-made packages
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2283[15:21:55] <tom[]> mo_: teading about it, it doesn't seem there's a stable upstream kernel release with all that
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2288[15:23:11] <tom[]> in fact, looks like linux-kernel email list is discussing options to rearchitect
2289[15:23:26] <Psy-Q> RHEL has released something, but i don't know how they patched it
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2291[15:23:41] <dvs> rearchitect? wow!
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2301[15:24:51] <tom[]> replaced-url
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2303[15:25:04] <mo_> thanks
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2309[15:25:43] <rsFF> hey guys any update on the side channel issues?
2310[15:25:50] <rsFF> i dont see anything on the security tracker
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2318[15:27:45] <tom[]> the problem is fundamental and very hard to properly fix. there are some mitigation ideas and experimental patches but planning your contingency to switch to ARM might not be going too far
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2324[15:30:00] <rsFF> tom[] im just asking because SUSe and RH have published microcodes updates
2325[15:30:07] <rsFF> replaced-url
2326[15:30:47] <rsFF> replaced-url
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2328[15:31:01] <rsFF> so i was trying to findout if there was a ETA for debian as well
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2330[15:31:18] <tom[]> i do not know
2331[15:31:21] <tom[]> good question
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2339[15:38:13] <jakecross> Are there any resources people would recommend over the Debian website docs to get into Debian? I might be taking it a little too far here as usual distro hopping involves so little extra work to get used to the new environment - Debian just feels a little intimidating (not sure why). So knowing a bit more about what I'm doing would be comforting.
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2350[15:43:06] <tom[]> jakecross: i think i know what you mean. i switched my servers from ubuntu late last year
2351[15:43:18] <tom[]> i guess i learned to use upstream docs
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2355[15:46:27] <buu> if I have a text mode linux box with a monitor hooked up and ssh access, how do I make output appear on the monitor plugged into the box?
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2368[15:51:19] <Strogg> distro specific docs are usually about how to install the distro, how to install packages, or configure things within the distro
2369[15:51:30] <Strogg> I don't think I've ever used distro docs for how to use an app
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2387[15:59:00] <jelly> bogus-, irc is still that place, however, asks should go to the right place
2388[15:59:03] <jelly> !debian-next
2389[15:59:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2393[16:01:01] <cef> buu: is a user logged in?
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2395[16:01:29] <gladioacuto> hey guys, opening terminal gives me -bash: ulimit: stack size: impossibile modificare il limite: Operazione non permessa
2396[16:01:41] <gladioacuto> themill suggested the problem relies on apparmor
2397[16:01:58] <gladioacuto> this happens after installing 4.14.0.bpo
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2399[16:02:10] <gladioacuto> on 4.13.0.bpo this did not happen
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2401[16:02:52] <gladioacuto> I purged, however, apparmor because it was what caused hang on issues on my system
2402[16:02:58] <gladioacuto> any suggestion? how to fix?
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2405[16:03:21] <jelly> gladioacuto, can you disable apparmor on kernel boot command line? Add: apparmor=0 security=""
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2407[16:03:36] <jelly> maybe. I'm just copy/pasting from arch wiki, no idea if it works
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2409[16:03:54] <buu> cef: can be!
2410[16:04:17] <jelly> gladioacuto, if that fixes things, you should probably send a bug report to the backports mailing list
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2413[16:05:43] <cef> buu: if there's a user logged in on the console, you can always use `write` - see `man write`- basically `write buu` then write your msg. if there's more than one user of that name, you can also specify the tty they're on. eg: `write buu /dev/tty1`
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2415[16:06:39] <gladioacuto> jelly, I will follow your suggestion, reinstalling apparmor but adding that boot command line
2416[16:06:41] <cef> buu: not at all elegant, but it still works~
2417[16:06:41] <buu> cef: oh, I guess
2418[16:06:51] <omber> Groups question: I have a user called frank, who was originally member of group frank. I have set his primary group to shareusers instead (usermod -g shareusers frank), and removed group frank. Now when frank creates files or folders, they are set to non-existent group 1002 (which is what group frank GID was)
2419[16:06:52] <buu> what about a full on ncurses app?
2420[16:06:53] <gladioacuto> I will be back to see if things work...
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2424[16:07:03] <shtrb> Is threre a way to search for a string in service file of packages that are not installed ? (I wish to see If there are packages that uses a systemd verb)
2425[16:07:18] <cef> buu: ahh you just want chat between users on the same machine?
2426[16:07:27] <shtrb> I mean without starting downloading the dpkgs
2427[16:07:28] <jelly> shtrb, maybe in sources.debian.org?
2428[16:07:46] <buu> cef: hmm? no, I want a full ncurses app being dislayed on the monitor
2429[16:07:49] <buu> being launched from ssh
2430[16:08:04] <shtrb> jelly , thanks did not know about that
2431[16:08:16] <jelly> it's somewhat new
2432[16:09:03] <Mad_Dud> hey guys, anything new about patches?
2433[16:09:08] <shtrb> look promising
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2435[16:09:46] <dvs> Wow. People are really looking into the bugs now.
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2437[16:10:07] <shtrb> maybe better , is anyone aware for a good example for systemd's internal firewall usage ?
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2442[16:12:52] <shtrb> I ask about the IPAccounting and IPAddressDeny verbs
2443[16:12:59] <cef> buu: ahh so you want to run the app via ssh, and have it come up on the monitor (the vt for the screen)?
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2445[16:13:23] <gladioacuto> jelly, adding GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="apparmor=0 security="" " in /etc/default/grub does not fix the problem. I also installed again apparmor and libapparmor-perl, but opening terminal always gives me -bash: ulimit: stack size: impossibile modificare il limite: Operazione non permessa
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2447[16:13:58] <jelly> gladioacuto, you will have to escape those security=\"\"
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2449[16:14:08] <jelly> can't put "" inside ""
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2451[16:14:46] <gladioacuto> jelly, ok, sorry, edit and reboot, will back again in a while...
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2457[16:16:08] <buu> cef: precisely
2458[16:16:11] <cef> buu: look into the `openvt` and `chvt` commands. That might be what you want.
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2460[16:16:52] <buu> neat
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2464[16:17:58] <cef> buu: :D
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2467[16:18:22] <gladioacuto> jelly, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="apparmor=0 security=\"\" " in my /etc/default/grub but the problem is still there
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2469[16:18:29] <gladioacuto> opening terminal I get the same line
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2473[16:20:13] <jelly> gladioacuto, switch to console, see if you or root can log in and open a shell there
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2476[16:20:57] <jelly> gladioacuto, if you can, you'll be able to look at dmesg or /var/log/kern.log, see if apparmor is actually enabled or not. If it's disabled, then the issue is not (just) apparmor
2477[16:21:16] <jelly> sigh
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2484[16:23:38] <Guest78497> i tried to access usb via python3 and libusb1. installed the library wrapper via pip. device is connected, listed on lsusb. but i only get timeout when i try to access it. any advice?
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2499[16:28:36] <gpunk> anyone used certbot before ?
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2501[16:28:48] <gpunk> a client from "lets encrypt"
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2503[16:29:10] <fiet> gpunk: Yes, I have.
2504[16:29:32] <gpunk> is it really that simple ? and can I trust it ?
2505[16:29:42] <fiet> It's incredibly simple.
2506[16:29:47] <fiet> I was very surprised.
2507[16:29:56] <gpunk> nice to hear
2508[16:30:03] <fiet> And, yes, you can trust it. It's a trusted CA.
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2510[16:30:16] <fiet> Certificates are valid for about 3 months I think.
2511[16:30:25] <fiet> They get renewed automagically
2512[16:30:34] <gpunk> magic !
2513[16:30:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps
2514[16:30:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> I cant seem to find out if Spectre and Meltdown are remote exploits or only local for now?
2515[16:31:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> do they require root access?
2516[16:31:16] <gpunk> thank you fiet
2517[16:31:22] <gopnikovitch> From what I understood it is local and unprivileged
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2519[16:31:25] <fiet> Just try it, it's basically a wizard
2520[16:31:31] <gpunk> ok
2521[16:31:40] <gpunk> i have many vhosts
2522[16:31:49] <gopnikovitch> Anyone would have a snippet btw ?
2523[16:31:51] <gpunk> i was afraid of getting the messed up
2524[16:31:59] <gpunk> them*
2525[16:32:30] <fiet> No, it saves its stuff in a separate directory. And once installed, you don't ever need to mess with it again.
2526[16:32:43] <gpunk> ok
2527[16:32:56] <fiet> And if you need to add a host or domain, just rerun it, you can add to your existing cert.
2528[16:33:14] <gpunk> noted
2529[16:33:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> thanks gopnikovitch
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2543[16:37:46] <gladioacuto> jelly, sorry, did I miss your answer?
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2545[16:38:35] <jelly> gladioacuto, if you can log in at the console, you'll be able to look at dmesg or /var/log/kern.log, see if apparmor is actually enabled or not. If it's disabled, then the issue is not (just) apparmor
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2548[16:39:22] <Guest50463> How can I get rid of this PPA? replaced-url
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2551[16:41:05] <shtrb> PPA?!
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2553[16:41:31] <shtrb> remove the offending line from /etc/apt/sources.list
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2561[16:44:14] <gladioacuto> jelly, Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 root=UUID=ef44a928-9c4d-433b-9426-e8a0ae9b08fe ro apparmor=0 security= quiet
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2564[16:45:15] <jelly> gladioacuto, there are other things in dmesg to look at. (if there aren't, get rid of that quiet, and see if that gives you more info)
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2578[16:49:57] <xar-> qq, what's the eta on updated packages in response to meltdown/spectre? thanks
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2583[16:50:30] <waydot> i just wanted to ask the same thing
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2585[16:50:55] <Goofy_51> hi, is there any information when an update for spectre/meltdown will be available for devian 7/8/9 ?
2586[16:51:02] <shtrb> replaced-url
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2591[16:51:48] <shtrb> Goofy_51 ^
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2594[16:52:05] <xar-> unfortunately that link doesn't answer the question
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2596[16:52:13] <xar-> I guess nobody knows yet, fantastic
2597[16:52:42] <JustASlacker> just buy an AMD
2598[16:52:51] <shtrb> They are working on it, I belive if they listed the kernel that would be patched
2599[16:53:17] <jelly> xar-, there's almost never an ETA, patches will be ready when they're ready.
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2601[16:53:32] <shtrb> JustASlacker , the news from this morning claim every single cpu since 1995 is hit, AMD probabably also have an issue
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2604[16:53:56] <JustASlacker> Intelpocalypse
2605[16:54:01] <Goofy_51> think i will see if there is an updated kernel on this site as soon as it is available.
2606[16:54:03] <JustASlacker> no known exploit for amd
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2608[16:54:16] <shtrb> yet
2609[16:54:17] <Goofy_51> even if it's not answering my question yet, this is fine for me
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2611[16:54:33] <waydot> JustASlacker: you misspelt sparc there
2612[16:54:55] <jelly> or s390 :-)
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2615[16:55:23] <shtrb> FPGA ?
2616[16:55:35] <waydot> shtrb: has been proposed before, yes :D
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2620[16:56:02] <waydot> and as i was informed, sparc is dead, so what i wanted to write there was mips :P
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2624[16:57:12] <jelly> mips doesn't have the kernel/userspace split, and might not even have CPUs complex enough to be affected
2625[16:57:13] <waydot> also, dont feel bad, i cant patch a single system i own, and they're not all debian ;)
2626[16:57:33] <shtrb> Qubes + debian starting to sound good
2627[16:57:57] <waydot> shtrb: how exactly does that solve the problem?
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2630[16:58:27] <waydot> i actually planned to install qubes next week (on intel, yes), but now it all seems pointless
2631[16:58:34] <shtrb> the idea behind Qubes is you do not trust anything , and everything is separated
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2633[16:58:51] <waydot> shtrb: yes, but separated by xen on a vulnerable cpu
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2640[16:59:25] <shtrb> If I understand correctly a malicous vm will not be able to use that bug
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2643[16:59:36] <shtrb> A big If
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2645[17:00:03] <waydot> shtrb: not true according to this: replaced-url
2646[17:00:04] <JustASlacker> waydot: :P
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2648[17:00:15] <SirLagz> shtrb: if that were true, there wouldn't be a huge rush by AWS / Microsoft to patch their cloud infrastructure
2649[17:00:17] <waydot> see "what cloud providers are affected"
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2651[17:00:51] <shtrb> SirLagz , how are they related to that (they are not running Qubes)
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2656[17:01:03] <waydot> shtrb: my bad, just read the entire paragraph now, you seem to be right :)
2657[17:01:03] <cef> there's 3 variants. variants 1 and 2 can generally work against vm's. 3 not so much.
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2659[17:01:18] <waydot> shtrb: only Xen PV seems to be affected
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2662[17:01:48] <ExoUNX_> morning
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2667[17:02:08] <ExoUNX_> are meltdown updates out for debian and qemu kvm?
2668[17:02:12] <waydot> lol
2669[17:02:20] <waydot> ExoUNX_: not yet ;)
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2671[17:02:31] <shtrb> I think that question need to be put in the topic
2672[17:02:35] <waydot> yes :D
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2675[17:03:21] <ExoUNX_> well this is the right place to ask so don't be surprised
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2677[17:03:55] <shtrb> cef , can you rephrase that (I think I didn't get what you mean)
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2686[17:06:31] <cef> shtrb: there's 3 CVE's. CVE-2017-5715 (aka variant 1), CVE-2017-5753 (variant 2), and CVE-2017-5754 (variant 3). CVE-2017-5754 isn't exploitable across VM boundaries in most VM systems.
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2688[17:07:24] <waydot> cef: tnx
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2691[17:07:49] <cef> least, that is what I get from things like replaced-url
2692[17:08:04] <waydot> ExoUNX_: i have joins on ignore, so i cant say whether you just joined; but from my chair it's funny because the same question keeps popping up during the discussion ;)
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2695[17:08:30] <shtrb> cef, I think the dm0 idom would have prevent exploit even if was exploitable on non Qubes
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2702[17:11:33] <cef> shtrb: couldn't say.. not familiar with Qubes. but given how many processor architechures are affected by at least one of the above, I would still be cautious.
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2705[17:12:27] <colinl> I guess I'm not the first one to ask that, but... what's taking so long ? replaced-url
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2708[17:12:50] <cef> Intel, AMD (not as bad), ARM (not as bad), zSeries, Power (inc PowerPC)
2709[17:13:06] <ExoUNX_> waydot, well I usually lurk here but I haven't been on in awhile
2710[17:13:34] <ExoUNX_> but yah, I'm sure the question keeps popping up. I could only imagine how the #openssl channel was like when heartbleed became known
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2714[17:14:37] <waydot> ;)
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2717[17:16:27] <waydot> i mean, the funny thing is not that so many people ask, it's that it appears as if lurkers ask, without scrolling back ;)
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2720[17:17:47] <waydot> shtrb: replaced-url
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2722[17:18:16] <shtrb> And I thought it would have ease my life (switching to Qubes)
2723[17:18:18] <waydot> in short: nobody knows yet
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2726[17:18:39] <waydot> shtrb: my thoughts exactly
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2728[17:19:06] <waydot> shtrb: so it's either exotic os on exotic isa; or ... that other thing
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2756[17:28:58] <waydot> cant find it now, but in summary: you can build a trusted system from untrusted components, provided you can control data moving between those untrusted components
2757[17:29:11] <Kristjan> replaced-url
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2759[17:29:59] <rsFF> ExoUNX_: the thing is debian as not provided any information on it unline RH,SUSE,lolbuntu,centos
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2761[17:30:08] <rsFF> s/as/has/g
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2763[17:30:17] <asterismo_m> hi
2764[17:30:19] <rsFF> hence the questions
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2766[17:30:38] <ExoUNX_> yah, I'm upgrading my CentOS machines just fine ;)
2767[17:30:43] <asterismo_m> what version of debian ships with the faster php7?
2768[17:30:45] <ExoUNX_> updating*
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2779[17:35:39] <megaTherion> now I've to figure out why my sound in Debian isnt working... something is always going wrong
2780[17:36:10] <waydot> megaTherion: good choice of music ;)
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2782[17:36:15] <megaTherion> thx ^^
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2786[17:37:33] <babilen> asterismo_m: Which version is the slow php7?
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2788[17:37:40] <ExoUNX_> megaTherion, probably because of meltdown
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2790[17:37:58] <asterismo_m> no, faster than php5 i ment
2791[17:38:02] <ExoUNX_> babilen, 7.0 is slower than 7.2 ;)
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2795[17:39:17] <megaTherion> ExoUNX_: dont think so :)
2796[17:39:25] <asterismo_m> what version of debian should i install to have php7 or even php7.2?
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2798[17:39:34] <babilen> judd: v php7
2799[17:39:35] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
2800[17:39:37] <asterismo_m> is that available in stretch?
2801[17:39:41] <babilen> It is
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2803[17:39:51] <babilen> judd: v php7.0
2804[17:39:53] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.19-1; buster: 7.0.26-1; sid: 7.0.26-1
2805[17:39:56] <babilen> judd: v php7.1
2806[17:39:57] <judd> Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; buster: 7.1.12-1; sid: 7.1.12-1
2807[17:40:17] <asterismo_m> sid?
2808[17:40:20] <babilen> 7.2 has not been packaged
2809[17:40:39] <babilen> asterismo_m: Unstable/Development version of Debian (not recommended in production at all)
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2811[17:40:54] <asterismo_m> stretch has 7.0
2812[17:41:00] <babilen> Indeed
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2820[17:43:00] <babilen> Ondrej Sury has packages if you absolutely require a newer version though
2821[17:43:03] <asterismo_m> is it worth upgrading from php5?
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2827[17:44:31] <asterismo_m> i also have mysql running, it is replaced by maria-db, will a dist-upgrade from jessie work without issues?
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2831[17:45:32] <babilen> It should .. In fact I have seen very few issues during MySQL → MariaDB migrations. PHP7 resulted noticable performance improvements
2832[17:45:52] <babilen> It's obviously impossible to make blanket statements
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2844[17:48:28] <tom[]> so far i have had no difficulty with php 7.1 on stretch in deployment
2845[17:48:50] <simpledat> Hi, is debian 9 stretch protected from replaced-url
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2848[17:50:05] <tom[]> simpledat: not yet
2849[17:50:16] <simpledat> why not?
2850[17:50:21] <tom[]> idk
2851[17:50:23] <sacioz> hello
2852[17:50:42] <sacioz> just looking around...ta
2853[17:50:45] <simpledat> So we all are vulnerable or what?
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2855[17:50:49] <waydot> yes
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2859[17:51:27] <cef> why not? cos it's a complex bug.
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2861[17:51:44] <simpledat> cef: How is the attacker perform this bug?
2862[17:51:57] <simpledat> What does this he/she need to do so?
2863[17:51:59] <tom[]> it's not a remote exploit. you need malware. i use linux only for servers so i'm less concerned about them than i am about my other computers and devices
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2865[17:52:24] <cef> simpledat: needs to run code on your machine.. this could even be a browser window
2866[17:52:50] <simpledat> cef: html?
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2868[17:52:56] <cef> simpledat: if you use chrome, you can try turning on "site isolation" in chrome://flags
2869[17:52:58] <tom[]> javascript
2870[17:53:17] <waydot> tom[]: well, they do it step by step; first they exploit your public service, then they run code locally
2871[17:53:43] <tom[]> yes
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2873[17:53:55] <babilen> There is also no mitigation for all vectors
2874[17:54:03] <tom[]> simpledat: i started using NoScript again
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2876[17:54:33] <cef> tho yeah.. if you run windows... apparently it can be exploited over RDSH.. (no more of that - this isn't a windows channel)
2877[17:54:42] <waydot> i'd want any exposed service be additionally protected by at least one extra strong line of defense
2878[17:54:52] <waydot> tom[]: did you consider umatrix?
2879[17:54:56] <cef> NoScript, ScriptBlock, etc are all good tools.
2880[17:55:04] <simpledat> cef: what is RDSH?
2881[17:55:06] * tom[] looks up umatrix
2882[17:55:22] <cef> simpledat: remote desktop service hosts
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2895[17:57:25] <cef> simpledat: useful list of related info: replaced-url
2896[17:57:38] <shtrb> cef , someone really should put the bug issue in the topic
2897[17:57:46] <shtrb> *someone with rights I mean
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2899[17:57:54] <simpledat> So why are debian devs not releases any new patch for us?
2900[17:57:57] <cef> shtrb: if only I had them. :/
2901[17:58:08] <FinalX> don't worry, "Intel believes its products are the most secure in the world"
2902[17:58:12] <simpledat> This should be prio 1 for the devs, no?
2903[17:58:19] <FinalX> (as per replaced-url
2904[17:58:24] <babilen> simpledat: I can assure you that it is
2905[17:58:28] <cef> simpledat: they're probably working on it right niw.
2906[17:58:28] <becks`> hi, does debian reload its /etc/fstab from time to time? my server rebooted for unknown reasons, and I noticed I had two lines for my swap...
2907[17:58:32] <shtrb> simpledat, because people have personal life and Intel dragged it's foot for the last 20 years
2908[17:59:14] <waydot> indeed
2909[17:59:15] <cef> simpledat: problem is, every linux distro has differences, usually in the kernel, that make putting patches like this into place non-trivial
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2911[17:59:21] <babilen> And patching this is not a trivial thing that needs testing before you roll it out on every single box that runs Debian
2912[17:59:26] <FinalX> simpledat: any kernel patch comes from the linux dev team, debian shouldn't be working on it if Linus Torvalds and the rest are working on it... that makes no sense
2913[17:59:49] <FinalX> once it's fully available, I'm sure a security kernel release is done for multiple Debian releases
2914[17:59:55] * ezdev hires 5 plumbers to fix his sink
2915[18:00:07] <shtrb> I think some one had said 15 already have the patch applied , so you can just rebuild the kernel yourself
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2920[18:00:32] <shtrb> *4.15
2921[18:00:33] <FinalX> Ubuntu's been releasing them non-stop though, they're on kernel rebuild 127
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2925[18:01:40] <cwg> I have a packaging question: what happens to the various binary Python extensions when a new Python version reaches "unstable"? Are all the source packages uploaded so that they are rebuilt? Or does one simply wait until the problem solves itself over with new uploads over time?
2926[18:02:04] <cwg> I couldn't find any "policy" on that.
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2929[18:03:21] <simpledat> Thank you
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2938[18:06:09] <cef> fwiw from someone (somewhat random on twitter): Should mention that Linux Kernel 4.15rc6 has enabled KPTI and it has been back ported to Linux Kernel 4.14.11, 4.9.74, 4.4.109, 3.16.52, and 3.2.97. So, if you are running any of these versions KPTI is in-place. Most distros will push updates in a day or two.
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2944[18:09:57] <tom[]> cef: thanks for that info
2945[18:10:12] <cef> hrm, seems even MIPS is affected looking at the patches.
2946[18:11:01] <tom[]> that could be defensive. iow, they expect it to be affected but it's unconfirmed so far
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2949[18:11:57] <waydot> cef: hm ...
2950[18:12:35] <waydot> cef: is it futile to hope they just put kpti in for consistency?
2951[18:12:42] <cef> ... the patches touch alpha, arm, arm64, cris, ia64, mips, parisc, powerpc, s390, and of course x86.
2952[18:12:55] <cef> waydot: could be.. might be just hedging bets
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2954[18:13:15] <waydot> cef: so far everyone said power and s390 weren't affected
2955[18:13:16] <cef> oh and blackfin
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2959[18:15:10] <cef> waydot: not according to redhat: replaced-url
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2961[18:15:27] <shtrb> Can anyone explain if replaced-url
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2964[18:16:42] <tom[]> waydot: umatrix looks good. useful dev tool too
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2973[18:21:02] <waydot> well, if mips is vulnerable, i dont like it
2974[18:21:24] <cef> waydot: in general, I don't think anyone likes it. :/
2975[18:21:28] <waydot> lol
2976[18:21:30] <waydot> point :)
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2979[18:22:40] <mo__> hey since when is paste.debian.net down ?
2980[18:22:51] <mo__> when will it be up again ?
2981[18:23:19] <shtrb> cef, are binary options still a thing , if yes some people are very happy ;)
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2989[18:24:42] <shtrb> I think everyone would have bet against Intel now
2990[18:25:04] <cef> this sort of stuff makes em wonder tho why I work in IT. *sigh*
2991[18:25:07] <cef> em = me
2992[18:25:26] <shtrb> lets continue in d-o
2993[18:25:57] <shtrb> #debian-offtopic
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3061[18:52:01] <mnuhmnuh> mo__: "ping: paste.debian.net: Name or service not known" - dns fouled up?
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3067[18:53:56] <DammitJim> please tell me if I should go to a different channel for this question, but how do I capture the headers of a packet coming into my debian server on port 443?
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3070[18:54:28] <mnuhmnuh> DammitJim: snort?
3071[18:54:43] <qqz> replaced-url
3072[18:54:55] <qqz> apt-get update does not work correctly
3073[18:54:55] <DammitJim> thanks
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3078[18:56:09] <cef> qqz: looks like you're behind some sort of aaa portal
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3086[18:58:50] <qqz> replaced-url
3087[18:59:20] <qqz> what does it now? I am already logged in via a different internet connection (this time android tethering)
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3122[19:14:03] <qqz> cef: what do you think?
3123[19:14:42] <AciD`> is there any reason why the Gimp version in Debian stable is so outdated?
3124[19:14:51] <AciD`> (and any way to fix that?)
3125[19:15:06] <JustASlacker> isnt debian always outdated
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3127[19:15:40] <AciD`> it's stable, not outdated. Though in Gimp case the new stable versions got out long time ago
3128[19:16:09] <cef> qqz: looks better now.. the issue might be that it failed first off cos the aaa tracks the client ip.. dunno any more sorry.
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3130[19:16:40] <hoijui> for the ensime plugin, i need a vim with python2 support (in debian testing) is there any, maybe in an extra repo, or would i have to compile from scratch?
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3132[19:16:47] <annadane> stable includes software that was accepted into stable during the freeze period, which must include that gimp version
3133[19:16:51] <Labu> Hello Someone know about debian-live project ? I am looking the documentation but only documentation for debian 8 is available
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3135[19:17:13] <jhutchins_wk> hoijui: What do you mean it needs python2 support. Highlighting and indenting?
3136[19:17:15] <JustASlacker> anyway, you can check for newer gimp versions in testing or compile yourself
3137[19:17:34] <JustASlacker> think thats it
3138[19:17:46] <annadane> just don't mix testing and stable repositories
3139[19:18:14] <jhutchins_wk> ,v gimp
3140[19:18:15] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.8.20-1; sid: 2.8.20-1.1
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3147[19:20:25] <JustASlacker> gimp is at 2.9.8 afaik
3148[19:20:27] <hoijui> jhutchins_wk, i just say the ensime install instruction mentioning that vim wiht python2 is required
3149[19:21:00] <hoijui> i guess it is a basic requirement for ensime
3150[19:21:01] <JustASlacker> no wait, latest stable is 2.8.22
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3152[19:21:41] <hoijui> i am trying to build a vim bassed IDE for Scala
3153[19:21:41] <JustASlacker> and gimp offers flatpacks as well
3154[19:21:51] <JustASlacker> so, there is a 3rd option
3155[19:22:23] <AciD`> JustASlacker -> indeed, I was wrong. I read everywhere new stuff about version 2.9*, and on their website the stable is 2.8.22. I guess stretch is not that lagging having 2.8.18..
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3157[19:22:46] <JustASlacker> shit happens
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3161[19:25:02] <kevit> helllo all. question - is there any possibility to cross-compile single module using m-a?
3162[19:25:08] <kevit> replaced-url
3163[19:25:14] <AciD`> is it only me, on the GNU/LInux link is broken on replaced-url
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3165[19:25:49] <kevit> i build on x86 for armhf
3166[19:26:13] <AciD`> nevermind
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3171[19:30:19] <jhutchins_wk> hoijui: Maybe vim and python2 are two different things. Vim is an editor, it has the ability to do some assistive functions like highlighting or indenting automatically.
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3173[19:31:32] <hoijui> jhutchins_wk, yes thats right. but vim can have python support, either none, v2, v3, or both of them
3174[19:31:34] <hoijui> vim --version | grep +python
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3179[19:32:28] <hoijui> on debian testing, all the vims i have eihter python3 support (vim and gvim) or none (nvim)
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3198[19:38:28] <glassresistor> i just ran my updates on stretch, when can i expect firefox and chromium updates to come through?
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3202[19:40:14] <allizom> glassresistor: The release date for Firefox ESR 52.6 is 2018-01-23 according to replaced-url
3203[19:40:54] <Berzerker> are the meltdown-patched kernels on repo yet? I see 4.9+80 for linux-image-amd64 which is patched according to "the internet" but my latest is still 4.9+65
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3208[19:42:48] <glassresistor> allizom: since we now know that both chrome and firefox are now insecure, i was hoping people would speed up there release
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3210[19:43:11] <busch> Berzerker, I came here for the same question
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3214[19:46:51] <Berzerker> busch: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3215[19:46:53] <Berzerker> lol
3216[19:47:08] <allizom> glassresistor: you can disable javascript if you are concerned about security
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3220[19:47:43] <allizom> and you should be, in general
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3222[19:48:33] <cef> Chrome - Go to chrome://flags/#enable-site-per-process and turn that on. not definitive, but definitely better than default.
3223[19:48:54] <cef> not gonna lie, will use more cpu and memory
3224[19:50:17] <jhutchins_wk> glassresistor: You can't determine security by comparing the debian version number of a package with the upstream version number. Check the debian CVE responses and see where the patches are applied.
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3226[19:51:02] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
3227[19:51:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
3228[19:51:04] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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3232[19:51:41] <Berzerker> jhutchins_wk: what's the difference between linux-image-4.9.0-4 and linux-image-amd64?
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3235[19:52:41] <jhutchins_wk> Berzerker: -4.9.0-4 will install that specific version, the one without a version number is a meta-package that will install the current amd64 image.
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3238[19:53:08] <Berzerker> why does aptitude list linux-image-amd64 as 4.9.80?
3239[19:53:41] <Berzerker> Installed: 4.9+80+deb9u2
3240[19:54:00] <cef> 4.9 + 80 .. not 4.9.80
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3242[19:54:43] <Berzerker> I didn't realize those were different...what is the difference?
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3247[19:55:24] <cef> the + is patches in debian since release afaik..
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3249[19:55:40] <cef> not necessarily upstream patches.
3250[19:55:49] <Berzerker> I see, so the patches aren't up on repo yet
3251[19:56:00] <jhutchins_wk> I don't see that in aptitude.
3252[19:56:01] <cef> no
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3262[19:58:20] <jhutchins_wk> Berzerker: Ah, I see that now. Debian does strange dual-version numbering on kernels.
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3270[20:00:35] <jhutchins_wk> Berzerker: That may be the version number of the metafile, not the associated kernel.
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3272[20:00:53] <Berzerker> true
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3282[20:05:55] <Labu> I am trying to run a live image on kvm. built with live-build. I have followed this instruction replaced-url
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3286[20:08:12] <Labu> I've followed this instructions replaced-url
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3292[20:09:43] <dopeuser> im drinking a glass of gasoline :D
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3295[20:10:46] <Labu> why do you do that ?
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3297[20:11:32] <dopeuser> because it makes you high and dizzy
3298[20:11:53] <dopeuser> i suppose here are more gasoline drinkers
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3301[20:12:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> I prefer lower octane stuff myself.
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3304[20:13:46] <Labu> it's less polluting
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3306[20:14:50] <dopeuser> when i drink a 20ml glass it feels like a coke bomb in the brain, not like ethyl products
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3309[20:15:11] <Labu> what is "VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" mean ?
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3331[20:23:48] <Namarrgon> it usually means that the kernel or initramfs lacks one or more modules to detect/mount the root fs
3332[20:24:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1756
3333[20:24:30] <Namarrgon> often the bootloader just failed to load the initramfs completely
3334[20:25:52] <Labu> thx Namarrgon it's weird. I just follow instruction on a this tutorial: replaced-url
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3336[20:26:25] <Labu> I found the dev team IRC I am asking about
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3342[20:28:32] <Namarrgon> how do you start the vm?
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3344[20:28:55] <Labu> kvm -cdrom live-image-amd64.hybrid.iso
3345[20:29:05] <Labu> from the working directory
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3348[20:30:15] <Labu> I got severals messages about firmware which did not found
3349[20:32:19] <jhutchins_wk> Labu: How about testing a standard live image?
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3351[20:32:46] <Labu> I want make a custom live image
3352[20:33:17] <Labu> with Jessie It works fine
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3354[20:36:08] <Namarrgon> post the build log of the image
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3356[20:37:37] <Labu> yes Namarrgon I am retrying. I post just after that
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3374[20:50:30] <Labu> Namarrgon: here replaced-url
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3425[21:25:59] <dopeuser> look what i just saw while drinking gasoline: replaced-url
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3511[22:01:58] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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3513[22:02:05] <FuriousGeorge> quick question, im not sure where to ask
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3516[22:02:22] <mtn> !ask
3517[22:02:22] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3518[22:02:58] <FuriousGeorge> if i set up an iscsi target on my local machine, can i still connect to it via the local disk, or must i necessarily use lun, and loopback address?
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3525[22:04:48] <FuriousGeorge> s/loopback address/loopback
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3549[22:18:07] <DexterF> evening
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3552[22:18:55] <DexterF> is the 3.16 in deb8 affected by the recent intel bug? can't upgrade the machine right now
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3554[22:19:24] <greycat> The bug is in the CPU, not in the kernel.
3555[22:19:33] <greycat> If you're asking whether jessie has a mitigation patch yet, I don't think so.
3556[22:20:25] <greycat> Stable patches were just announced in the last hour or so, and oldstable will probably take extra time.
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3603[22:38:40] <mlhess> DexterF yes is the short answer
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3608[22:39:55] <DexterF> well, about time I planned the upgrade there anyway.
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3649[22:59:55] <kale> i am looking for something to set up a redundant router. something like two router, where the active keeps sending tcp connection status etc to the other. do you guys know of such package?
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3716[23:27:39] <tmm88> hey guys
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3718[23:27:58] <tmm88> i am trying to set up i3 on debian
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3721[23:28:12] <tmm88> and i ran up apt-get install i3
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3723[23:28:49] <tmm88> and apt-get install feh xautolock and xbacklight
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3725[23:29:05] <tmm88> but i cannot acces the i3wm config file
3726[23:29:14] <tmm88> can someone tell me how to fix this please?
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3729[23:29:57] <iTeV> tmm88, is i3wm actually installed :P?
3730[23:30:26] <iTeV> oh
3731[23:30:29] <iTeV> wait
3732[23:30:31] <iTeV> overlooked ur msg
3733[23:30:33] <iTeV> nvm
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3736[23:31:44] <iTeV> tmm88, did u only install i3 or did u also install i3-wm?
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3745[23:33:48] <annadane> !enter
3746[23:33:49] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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3766[23:40:59] <geri> hi, how to set the hostname in debian?
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3769[23:41:16] <geri> in terminal
3770[23:41:28] <zerocool> `hostname <yournewhostanme>`
3771[23:41:30] <arha> hostname something
3772[23:41:40] <zerocool> and edit /etc/hosts to match
3773[23:41:47] <zerocool> and /etc/hostname maybe
3774[23:41:50] <arha> or #echo "something" > /etc/hosts and start a new shell
3775[23:41:51] <zerocool> and reboot
3776[23:41:57] <arha> err, /etc/hostname
3777[23:42:03] <arha> what zerocool said
3778[23:42:24] <zerocool> tagteamed
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3782[23:44:18] <teclo-> yeah vi /etc/hostname
3783[23:44:35] <teclo-> and reboot or if you can't reboot restart networking
3784[23:44:38] <geri> why /etc/hosts?
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3786[23:44:49] <geri> or /etc/hostname?
3787[23:44:55] <teclo-> not /etc/hosts
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3790[23:45:30] <jordila> hi #debian ... when 'cat /etc/passwd | grep :0: ' ... i see (naturally) 'root' and 2 'old users' i don't recall have given UID 0 in the past... is it a suspicious fact or am i 'in paranoia mode' ?
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3792[23:46:28] * jordila there have been some unexpected changes on sshd_config file ... lately
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3797[23:49:01] <jordila> Now it try this (now) useless 'old users' ( holding UID 0) ... and i cannot : 'userdel: user olduser is currently used by process 1 ... how to accomplish the user deletion in this scenario ?
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3801[23:51:05] <waydot> this might be unorthodox ... how about just removing the lines from passwd (and group and shadow) ?
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3810[23:53:46] <mnuhmnuh> vigr & vipw
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3815[23:55:31] <dutchfish> jordanm, if you know those running instaces under that user can be stopped without affecting your system, skill -STOP -u [thatuser] | then remove that user.
3816[23:55:52] <dutchfish> that was for jordila
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3822[23:57:03] <jordila> will give it a try dutchfish ...
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3824[23:57:41] * jordila what scares jordila is that the related process is ... 'process 1 '
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3827[23:58:02] <dutchfish> jordila, if that user is still logged in and you want to forcefully log that user out | skill -KILL -u [thatuser]
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3831[23:59:03] <dutchfish> jordila, dont do all this on systemusers unless you know what you are doing.
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3833[23:59:37] <dutchfish> jordila, example: replaced-url
3834[23:59:45] <jordila> well dutchfish ... what happened after 'skill -KILL -u alice' is that i've been logged off :-|
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