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4 [00:02:11] <LennyKitty> teraflops, ok so monitor issue
resolved
5 [00:02:17] <LennyKitty> still booting in software rendering
6 [00:02:17] <teraflops> good
7 [00:02:21] <teraflops> bad
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10 [00:03:32] <LennyKitty> wut do
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12 [00:04:01] <Voldenet> hm, dmesg and decide
13 [00:04:59] <Voldenet> or Xorg log
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15 [00:05:30] <LennyKitty> sec
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17 [00:06:51] <LennyKitty>
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19 [00:07:21] <Voldenet> (EE) AIGLX error: Calling driver entry
point failed (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
20 [00:07:55] <LennyKitty> :(
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22 [00:08:26] <LennyKitty> so im fucked basically?
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24 [00:09:24] <Brigo> maybe a firmware issue?
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26 [00:10:01] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: not so fast, try installing
the newest xorg version from backports
27 [00:10:14] <LennyKitty> voipmonk,
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29 [00:11:15] <Voldenet> > direct rendering: Yes
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31 [00:11:30] <LennyKitty> what does that tell us to do
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33 [00:12:04] <Voldenet> I'm just laughing that swrast now
is 'magical dri' :D
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42 [00:13:46] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, logged out and in
43 [00:13:50] <LennyKitty> after installing that
44 [00:13:54] <LennyKitty> still softweare
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49 [00:15:45] <Voldenet>
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50 [00:15:49] <Voldenet> line 983
51 [00:16:04] <Voldenet> "okay basically now I know how it
fails... *sigh*"
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53 [00:16:21] <Voldenet> ERROR CODES, Y U NO GET EM XORG
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55 [00:17:24] <Voldenet> hm, someone had similar problems with
i915
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57 [00:18:33] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: anything useful in
/sys/class/drm/card0/error?
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64 [00:20:20] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, nope
65 [00:20:27] <LennyKitty> I installed a bunch of packages per a
guide
66 [00:20:31] <LennyKitty> lets see if that worked
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68 [00:21:03] <LennyKitty> GOD DAMN IT
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71 [00:22:16] <Voldenet> I take it as a yes
72 [00:22:21] <Voldenet> :-)
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78 [00:23:47] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, no
79 [00:23:50] <LennyKitty> it was a strong NO
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82 [00:25:14] <Voldenet> All I'm finding are bug reports
without any real solutions (except "I have disabled DRI"
posts), god have mercy ಠ_ಠ
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86 [00:29:29] <LennyKitty> come on
87 [00:29:33] <LennyKitty> this is from Q3 2015
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98 [00:33:35] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: hmm, it might be some mesa
issue... but I have no real idea, you might want to try: Option
"AccelMethod" "uxa" in xorg.conf
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100 [00:33:57] <Voldenet> or Option "DRI" "2"
(even if it's already using dri 2, but I'm not sure if
there's any point)
101 [00:34:08] <LennyKitty> where is xorg.conf located
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103 [00:34:52] <Voldenet> if I remember correctly,
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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105 [00:35:16] <Voldenet> you might need to generate it with X
-configure (as root) and then cp /root/xorg.conf.new
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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107 [00:35:43] <Voldenet> (some people argue that it generates
unnecessary config, but you can always remove this file if you deem
it useless :P)
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110 [00:37:14] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, first im tryingh some guide
111 [00:37:24] <Voldenet> Okay, I'm no expert on xorg by all
means
112 [00:37:34] <Voldenet> so I might be wrong :P
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116 [00:39:08] <Voldenet> Hm, i915 might cause some hangs (not
sure if this applies to debian though)
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118 [00:39:56] <Voldenet> that's very unfortunate though,
I'd think it would work flawlessly by now
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125 [00:43:08] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, ok this weird
126 [00:43:16] <LennyKitty> grep i915
127 [00:43:20] <LennyKitty> reports it running find
128 [00:43:24] <LennyKitty> but im still in software mode
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130 [00:45:21] * init7 brb
131 [00:45:39] <missmbob> !tell init7 about away
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152 [00:54:38] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: because the driver is
running, but dri2 is not
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156 [00:57:38] <LennyKitty> oh ok
157 [00:57:44] <LennyKitty> so I created the xorg config
158 [00:57:46] <LennyKitty> I think
159 [00:57:51] <LennyKitty> in emergency mode because x cant be
running
160 [00:57:54] <LennyKitty> now wut
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162 [00:59:35] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, where do I put Option
"DRI" "2"
163 [00:59:39] <LennyKitty> under input
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165 [01:00:27] <Voldenet> somewhere in section with driver
"Intel"
166 [01:00:31] <Voldenet> :P
167 [01:00:34] <Voldenet> I hope there is only one
168 [01:01:15] <LennyKitty> above or below
169 [01:01:16] <LennyKitty> :p
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174 [01:02:45] <Voldenet> I don't think it matters, but I
always put additional options on the bottom
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176 [01:03:57] <LennyKitty> WHY DOES NOTHING WORK >:(
177 [01:04:01] <LennyKitty> I got the driver working at least
178 [01:04:07] <LennyKitty> so I hope
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183 [01:07:20] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, should I throw in the towel
and install ubuntu
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189 [01:12:11] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, sorry, im giving in and
installing linux mint :c
190 [01:12:25] <LennyKitty> im not dealing with this at 8pm when
I have math homework to do
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195 [01:15:39] <vOYtEC> LennyKitty, what happened? tell your
story =)
196 [01:16:03] <jtri> since debian is on python2, how should i
make a venv for python3 ?
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198 [01:17:12] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: well since linux distros
are not a church, I've given up on the anything Xorgish and
just used OSes for lazy people, "just works" is usually
more than enough :)
199 [01:17:45] <LennyKitty> \
200 [01:18:16] <missmbob> jtri: you just want it to be python3 by
default?
201 [01:18:29] <LennyKitty> oh the drivers for intel hd graphics
520 are fucky
202 [01:18:37] <Voldenet> vOYtEC: a bit of classic 'xorg and
its infrastructure having undiagnozable problems' again :)
203 [01:18:47] <SerajewelKS> it's funny, ten years ago we
had audio generally working well, but shitty wifi and GPU support.
now i have to futz about with my pulseaudio config for anything to
work, but wifi and X work pretty well out of the box.
204 [01:18:54] <SerajewelKS> how the turntables have...
205 [01:18:54] <Voldenet> i wouldn't be surprised if it was
just no permissions to some /dev
206 [01:19:18] <missmbob> jtri: sudo update-alternatives --config
python
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209 [01:19:21] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, personally I just say,
debian based preferably rolling release if your lazy or arch if you
want
210 [01:19:47] <Voldenet> heh, arch if you like moving your dirs
around on each update
211 [01:20:27] <Voldenet> Because it's all manual
interventions, "we couldn't just do it semi-automatically,
you really have to do this yourself"
212 [01:20:30] <LennyKitty> but thats part of the fun! jk but
thats what some would say
213 [01:20:57] <LennyKitty> there a crazy bunch but hey
214 [01:20:59] <Voldenet> Well, debian on servers is a bliss
though. I haven't had a single problem that wasn't between
a monitor and chair
215 [01:21:00] <LennyKitty> to each there own
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217 [01:21:12] <jtri> missmbob: will that break the OS stuff?
218 [01:21:19] <vOYtEC> Voldenet: xorg is never ending story...
=)
219 [01:21:23] <missmbob> jtri: no
220 [01:21:29] <LennyKitty> Voldenet, debian based distros are
pretty much the general purpose awesome distro
221 [01:21:40] <abff> universal operating system ;)
222 [01:22:34] <Voldenet> yeah, sure, "my nvidia stopped
working again" ~ any linux user after random kernel update
223 [01:22:55] <jtri> ok, yeah, so i'd like a venv that uses
python 3.5
224 [01:23:27] <missmbob> jtri: jessie only has 3.4.2
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227 [01:23:57] <Voldenet> LennyKitty: that's pretty offtop
so I'm ending this, but there's no such thing as universal
distro - server distros are just different kind of beasts than
desktops
228 [01:24:55] <Voldenet> there's a huge gap between
autoconfiguring stuff for user (everything just works) or not (it
works the way you want) :)
229 [01:25:25] <SerajewelKS> Voldenet: debian tends to be a bit
in the middle. half your shit works and the other half doesn't.
:)
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234 [01:26:13] <Voldenet> SerajewelKS: well, it would make sense
to have ssh configured on port 22 and with noroot access
235 [01:26:19] <jtri> hmm, sphinx latest needs python 3.5, though
jinja
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238 [01:28:28] <LennyKitty> Fuck\
239 [01:28:34] <LennyKitty> now how do I boot usb
240 [01:28:36] <LennyKitty> fucking UEFI
241 [01:28:44] <abff> grub2 should be able to
242 [01:28:49] <bazhang> LennyKitty, no cursing please
243 [01:29:34] <LennyKitty> k
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249 [01:32:23] <abrotman> When will Gnome 3.24 packages for
Jessie be available?!
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256 [01:36:37] <Voldenet> abrotman: Hm, wasn't it released
10 hours ago?
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262 [01:38:29] <crash_> abrotman: Never 3.14 will be the version
for Jessie until EOL and Stretch will have 3.22
263 [01:38:47] <missmbob> no one has a sense of humor
264 [01:39:11] <nauticalnexus> :P
265 [01:39:45] <crash_> :)
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268 [01:43:59] <alyssa> "Due to an ongoing spam attack, this
wiki is configured to not automatically create wiki accounts for
some users" *mutters something vague about IP profiling*
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321 [02:27:17] <Kman> hi, will the Debian 9 be supporting new AMD
cpus like Ryzen 1800x/1700x, etc...
322 [02:27:42] <Kman> I am waiting for the release of Debian 9
for my next PC build
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330 [02:30:18] <missmbob> it'll install but you'll
really want to upgrade the kernel right away. 4.10 has a lot of
ryzen updates. it'll ship with 4.9
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491 [04:47:44] <pablin_> hi all, someone there to help me with an
power management issue?
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513 [05:13:41] <dgriffi> what happened here?
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516 [05:15:43] <ilCyx86_64> Using pulse or alsa, how can I set
the output monitor (playing from mopidy) to be the default input
source?
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519 [05:16:44] <introom> where can I get the deb package from
this url:
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520 [05:17:31] <dgriffi> introom: down at the bottom where it
says "download tmux"
521 [05:18:40] <mandeep> introom: are you looking specifically
for experimental?
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523 [05:19:38] <introom> dgriffi: but that leads to the repo, not
the deb file.
524 [05:19:42] <introom> mandeep: yes!
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528 [05:20:14] <dgriffi> introom: it leads to
replaced-url
529 [05:20:23] <dgriffi> second 'it' being the deb
530 [05:20:44] <introom> dgriffi: aha. I should click on it....
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577 [05:58:51] <Beggar> Hi everyone.
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580 [05:59:32] <Papillon> hi
581 [05:59:47] <Beggar> I am trying to set the LCD brightness on
this notebook. I would like to do it using the terminal
582 [06:00:09] <Beggar> but nothing seens to be working. I even
tried xbacklight.
583 [06:00:49] <Beggar> whatever value i set the brightness does
not change. Any advice, suggestion on this?
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589 [06:04:11] <Papillon> there
590 [06:04:22] <Papillon> there's no way to do it in
hardware? no brightness buttons
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593 [06:05:39] <Beggar> There is no original keyboard here. it
was removed
594 [06:05:57] <Beggar> I never found a compatible one then I
jsut use an USB external
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596 [06:08:04] <VentGrey> Hello world?
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600 [06:09:10] <abff> Program received signal SIGSEGV,
Segmentation fault.
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603 [06:10:08] <World> Hi VentGrey
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605 [06:10:22] <VentGrey> xD
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607 [06:11:14] <VentGrey> I wonder if stretch will include MATE
1.18
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611 [06:13:20] <Beggar> MATE is not that eye candy desktopy
stuffy?
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614 [06:15:15] <VentGrey> That gnome2 forky thingy
615 [06:15:31] <Beggar> OH....
616 [06:16:08] <abff> wait why did gnome fork?
617 [06:16:11] <Beggar> I do not use GNOME. For a long time I do
not know what is a GNOME desktop....
618 [06:16:33] <Papillon> gnome changed their interface a lot and
people didn't like it so they forked the old interface
619 [06:16:43] <abff> thats. . . it?
620 [06:16:53] <Beggar> yes, they are sing 2.0 like interface
621 [06:16:56] <Beggar> seems fancy
622 [06:17:13] <Beggar> using*
623 [06:17:25] <VentGrey> very fancy
624 [06:17:39] <VentGrey> even though i started on Debian 8 and
GNOME 3 xD
625 [06:18:02] <Beggar> I am using Debian - XFCE
626 [06:18:07] <abff> why not just use xfce
627 [06:18:13] <VentGrey> saw MATE and said..this looks good and
then I found out that it was not GNOME2 o.o
628 [06:18:14] <Beggar> but the DE is DWM hahaha
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630 [06:18:31] <VentGrey> I dont like WM :(
631 [06:18:38] <VentGrey> makes me scared
632 [06:18:48] <Beggar> WM = ?
633 [06:18:59] <VentGrey> marco or openbox
634 [06:19:09] <Beggar> Naaa
635 [06:19:10] <VentGrey> i3 when im on a good mood xD
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637 [06:19:23] <Beggar> DWM is fancy
638 [06:19:30] <Beggar> everything done by ALT+XXX
639 [06:19:42] <VentGrey> alt pron?
640 [06:19:48] <Beggar> hahahaha
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643 [06:20:41] <VentGrey> I hope they made the right decition by
migrating to GTK3
644 [06:21:05] <Beggar> GTK is useless, too much stuff.
645 [06:21:15] <VentGrey> QT?
646 [06:21:22] <VentGrey> heavy :c
647 [06:21:25] <VentGrey> GTK
648 [06:21:28] <VentGrey> fragile
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663 [06:32:35] <Beggar> Let us poke with FLTK and be happy
664 [06:32:36] <Beggar> hehe
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673 [06:37:27] <Beggar> Today in Debian's Freak Show
Room.... The Metap0ackage!!! It will KILL you poke with apt-get
remove/purge.
674 [06:37:30] <Beggar> Oh Life...
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676 [06:38:12] <VentGrey> What did you do? XD
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678 [06:39:33] <Beggar> I am fixing what I broke....
679 [06:39:44] <Beggar> I isntalled XFCE4
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681 [06:39:53] <abff> love it
682 [06:39:54] <Beggar> and removed the useless lightdm
683 [06:39:58] <VentGrey> ah yes
684 [06:40:07] <VentGrey> Lightdm usually kills everything xD
685 [06:40:25] <VentGrey> i tried to use Slim but when i removed
Lightdm it removed like half of XFCE
686 [06:40:54] <Beggar> it is because the lightdm si isntalled as
aprt of the xfce metapackage
687 [06:41:05] <Beggar> if you isntall all by hand it will not
happen
688 [06:41:21] <VentGrey> What DM you use?
689 [06:41:23] <Beggar> but I was lazy in that aprt and installed
alltoghetter
690 [06:41:34] <Beggar> I do nto use DM
691 [06:41:43] <Beggar> jsut type in username then password
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693 [06:41:53] <Beggar> and then if I need desktop type startx
694 [06:42:03] <VentGrey> oh
695 [06:42:14] <VentGrey> im more a workstation desktop user :c
696 [06:42:30] <VentGrey> i know how to move in a terminal but
never got comfortable there
697 [06:42:31] <Beggar> Even if you are. typing startx is not
that hard hahahaha
698 [06:42:41] <VentGrey> xD too lazy
699 [06:43:35] <Beggar> you need to type in username and
password, 6 more eltter will not kill you and you. And the resource
saving is good.
700 [06:43:55] <Beggar> letters*
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703 [06:47:02] <Beggar> There is any module that need to be
laoded in order to change LCD brightness?
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706 [06:48:33] <Beggar> Even # echo 20 >
/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness do not change
anything in thsi screen.
707 [06:48:53] <borsin> xbacklight?
708 [06:49:04] <Beggar> tried also, no changes
709 [06:49:43] <abff> xbacklight worked for me but it
doesn't listen to my fn buttons
710 [06:50:05] <borsin> i have a thinkpad and i can't get
xbacklight to work either. i changed the permissions on
/sys/class/../brightness so i could do your similar approach
711 [06:50:16] <Beggar> I jsut need a terminal solution. No need
for hotkeys.
712 [06:50:36] <borsin> change the permissions, then you can echo
to the file.
713 [06:50:52] <Beggar> borsin I did thsi as root.
714 [06:50:58] <Beggar> this*
715 [06:51:01] <borsin> hmm
716 [06:51:23] <Beggar> cat returns the value I put there but the
brighness do not changed even a bit
717 [06:51:40] <abff> if xbacklight isn't working then I
think X is having a problem finding the brightness control
718 [06:51:58] <abff> Xbacklight is used to adjust the backlight
brightness where supported. It finds all outputs on the X server
supporting backlight brightness control and changes them all in the
same way.
719 [06:52:05] <borsin> i have mine set up on a script and works
fine. although I need to change the permissions on boot. not using
root to do it.
720 [06:52:18] <abff> it's supposed to be a catchall
721 [06:52:56] <borsin> i gave up on xbacklight long ago
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727 [06:54:05] <pragomer_1> is there already a live-cd-version of
debian stretch kde non-free?
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813 [07:11:28] <pragomer_1> are there ANY live versions of
stretch already?
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817 [07:12:24] <Wulf> pragomer_1: you can build your own,
it's not too hard
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881 [07:16:32] <pragomer_1> Wulf: i know for example how to do
that with chroot and genisoimage etc.. but I dont know what iso to
take as source. cause I only can find the netinstaller of
stretch-nonfree
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904 [07:33:43] <Wulf> pragomer_1: live-build
905 [07:33:54] <Wulf> pragomer_1: it uses no iso
906 [07:33:56] <srruby> I'm running sid. Can I install
google-chrome ? using deb
replaced-url
907 [07:34:00] <Wulf> pragomer_1: it builds them :)
908 [07:34:07] <Wulf> srruby: try it
909 [07:34:12] <Wulf> srruby: it should work
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911 [07:34:45] <srruby> In general can I use these 3rd party debs
while running sid?
912 [07:34:54] <Wulf> srruby: yes, sure
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914 [07:35:04] <srruby> Wulf: Thanks.
915 [07:35:10] <Wulf> srruby: but as always with sid, expect
trouble
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917 [07:35:23] <srruby> OH
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922 [07:38:07] <pragomer_1> Wulf: Ye, ok. I used to use
live-build some years ago. its ok but I got more friend with taking
a live-iso as base and then just changing a few little things.. so
.. if there is no live-iso of stretch at this time I will have to
wait.
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1062 [08:29:41] <usersiis> #debian :Cannot join channel (+l) -
channel is full, try again later
1063 [08:30:00] <usersiis> ?_?
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1067 [08:32:32] <tx> usersiis: wait a bit
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1070 [08:32:40] <tx> it usually means there have been a lot of
people joining
1071 [08:32:53] <tx> the channel sets a user limit that goes up
and down juuust enough to make this not happen most of the time
1072 [08:32:57] <tx> it's to prevent flooding
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1074 [08:33:10] <decci> Hi
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1076 [08:33:59] <decci> Any idea how to insert raid controller
drive into debian iso
1077 [08:34:08] <decci> driver
1078 [08:34:15] <tx> if the iso is a usb drive that you can write
to
1079 [08:34:19] <tx> that usually makes things a lot easier!
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1081 [08:34:29] <tx> what are you writing the installer to?
1082 [08:35:43] <decci> tx: I tried installing debian wheezy on
system having perc h330 but look like mega raid sas driver is
missing
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1084 [08:35:58] <decci> The same worked if I have jessie installed
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1086 [08:36:15] <hexnewbie> decci: So the driver is in Jessie, and
not in Wheezy?
1087 [08:36:28] <tx> Is there a specific reason why you are trying
to install oldstable?
1088 [08:36:33] <decci> hexnewbie: yes
1089 [08:36:34] <tx> It is not current.
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1095 [08:38:09] <hexnewbie> decci: If you have Debian (or other
distro) working on the computer, you can use debootstrap to manually
install any other Debian without using the installer.
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1097 [08:39:54] <decci> hexnewbie: right now jessie is running
properly on that system. Do you mean I can use bootstrap to install
wheezy
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1099 [08:40:01] <hexnewbie> decci: So you can debootstrap wheezy
from jessie, or jessie from gentoo (which is how I first installed
Debian, hadn't ever used the installer until I bought a
laptop), or try to get potato with a stretch kernel.
1100 [08:40:07] <decci> I am not sure if I understand that
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1103 [08:40:45] <decci> hexnewbie : that sounds cool
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1105 [08:40:58] <decci> Is there any step to do that
1106 [08:41:08] <decci> Can Google it out though
1107 [08:41:21] <hexnewbie> decci: Yeah, you can create a new root
filesystem on a different partition (doing it on the same one would
be way too much voodoo), debootstrap wheezy on it, manually edit
fstab, etc, chroot into it, apt-get install the packages (tasks
even) that you need, and then install grub from the chroot
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1110 [08:41:50] <decci> Got your point
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1113 [08:42:07] <decci> Thanks
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1117 [08:43:20] <decci> hexnewbie : I will try to search for it,
in case you have any link which can help me get started would be
cool
1118 [08:43:23] <decci> Thanks a lot
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1120 [08:46:08] <hexnewbie> decci: I don't think I've
come across on one. I simply followed the steps I outlined, and the
debootstrap man page comes in handy to start. If you aren't
aware which files you need to edit to get the system in the chroot
bootable and working, you may have a better time sticking with
jessie (wheezy's lts is going to eventually end, and it's
not so long in the future IIRC, so starting off with jessie is a
good idea anyway)
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1122 [08:46:58] <hexnewbie> decci: If you need something from
wheezy that's not found in jessie, having wheezy in the chroot
(should you fail to make it bootable), is also an option.
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1126 [08:47:50] <decci> Okay
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1169 [09:06:30] <ololorin> Hello. I have a problem. Yesterday I
installed GNOME alongside kde on my system and chose kdm as default
manager. I needed to have both of them to check something regarding
my work. GNOME installed successfully, I rebooted, switched to it.
While I was working in it it decided to install some updates via
it's gui update manager. I ignored it, and then, after reboot,
it installed some packages durin
1170 [09:06:30] <ololorin> g boot (never saw such behavior
before). Then, after another reboot, my system broke completely.
Systemd says it does start job for six services, fails, and the
system fails to boot. I can only use rescue shell and can't
even check apt. The services are changing with reboots. Now
it's accounts, modem, avahi stack, network manager and realtime
kit. Any advice? :(
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1173 [09:07:40] <babilen> Paste /var/log/apt/history.log* to
replaced-url
1174 [09:08:29] <babilen> Output of "head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" would also be interesting
1175 [09:08:43] <ololorin> It also says dependency failed for
Network Manager Wait Online
1176 [09:09:14] <ololorin> @babilen would be hard, considering I
now have ho internet access through this computer
1177 [09:10:35] <n4dir> liveCD (usb-stick,etc). Something like
that
1178 [09:10:35] <babilen> I'd boot a live disk in that case
1179 [09:10:46] <babilen> grml is pretty nice for that
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1192 [09:14:16] <maskd> I'm having problems getting wifi up
at boot with Network Manager. I don't get a connection after I
boot (even though ip addr indicates that it's up...), but if I
then restart the service it works. any clue as to what might be the
issue?
1193 [09:14:39] <babilen> ololorin: The "installed some
packages during boot" is highly irregular and I'd love to
see what's going on there. What you have done (i.e. installing
Gnome) should have been perfectly fine.
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1195 [09:15:16] <babilen> ololorin: Also does "I ignored
it" mean "I ignored that it automatically installed
packages already" or "I ignored that it prompted me to
upgrade some packages" ?
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1197 [09:15:53] <ololorin> It just said "I'm installing
something in background, don't mind me"
1198 [09:15:54] <babilen> It sounds as if you mixed in packages
from other sources and it would really be good to know about all
configured sources on your system
1199 [09:16:03] <n4dir> just as an info: someone just posted
something like that at linuxquestions.org (upgrades getting
installed after reboot). I wondered quite a bit (mainly if that is a
joke)
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1201 [09:16:38] <babilen> "Windows is doing this horrible
thing, maybe we should implement a daemon to do likewise?"
1202 [09:17:04] <ololorin> I had some side repositories, such as
bumblebee, but apt has started to consider them untrustworthy since
sometime and ignored them, so I didn't clean them
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1204 [09:17:07] <babilen> I'd immediately purge anything and
file bug reports if I were to see that behaviour
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1206 [09:17:38] <babilen> Well apt and whatever ran those upgrades
might treat repositories differently
1207 [09:17:45] <ololorin> I can only get livecd when I will be at
home, which will be in 7 hours lol
1208 [09:17:55] <n4dir>
replaced-url
1209 [09:18:06] <babilen> It sounds as if you installed packages
from random sources and thereby broke your system
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1212 [09:18:25] <missmbob> !frankendebian
1213 [09:18:25] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
1214 [09:18:34] <missmbob> bumblebee is pretty serious to get from
third party
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1216 [09:19:02] <ololorin> But how do I fix it if I can't get
to apt?
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1218 [09:19:30] <n4dir> chroot
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1220 [09:20:33] <ololorin> Could you elaborate, please?
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1222 [09:20:43] <n4dir> !chroot
1223 [09:20:43] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to
your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console
(Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2
/dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable
with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none
/target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then
chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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1229 [09:21:32] <ololorin> Thanks
1230 [09:21:49] <missmbob> at that point of mixing things i'd
reinstall
1231 [09:22:03] <ololorin> I'm afraid of using data
1232 [09:22:06] <ololorin> *losing
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1235 [09:22:37] <ololorin> I have some important files there.
Dunno if they will be lost upon reinstall
1236 [09:23:18] <n4dir> i agree with missmbob (if mixed,
reintsall). data? Well: back them up.
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1240 [09:23:43] <missmbob> use chroot or live cd for easier method
to backup. reinstall. dont mix like that again.
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1244 [09:24:25] <n4dir> to me not mixing or adding third party
apps was the one golden rule, when it comes to debian
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1248 [09:25:36] <ololorin> Got it. Thanks for your help. The GNOME
update manager is strange though. I had these repositories over
there for years
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1262 [09:32:04] <n4dir> for whatever it might be good for ... :-)
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1302 [09:50:01] <LibertyWeNeed> what is the best contacts
application on GNU/Linux (Debian or Ubuntu)? I need one that will
work with
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1324 [09:59:22] <n4dir> LibertyWeNeed: i am not in the subject,
but perhaps evolution
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1327 [10:00:12] <edi> LibertyWeNeed, icedove/lightning ?
1328 [10:00:41] <n4dir> the german ubuntu wiki has a good list of
apps (but is probably not that useful if one doesn't speak
german, duh):
replaced-url
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1330 [10:00:48] <edi> on the serverside I like radicale, and it
works fine with icedove
1331 [10:00:55] <edi> which is also Dav
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1334 [10:02:05] <LibertyWeNeed> Thank you:)
1335 [10:02:22] <LibertyWeNeed> n4dir, my mother studied Germany
and is half german. :)
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1337 [10:02:35] <LibertyWeNeed> Although she would probably prefer
information in english
1338 [10:02:47] <LibertyWeNeed> Studied German
1339 [10:02:48] <LibertyWeNeed> oops
1340 [10:02:51] <n4dir> oh, then the link will be really good. one
can find according apps in a very quick time
1341 [10:03:04] <LibertyWeNeed> Are they in English?
1342 [10:03:04] <n4dir> nah, if you understand the basics is
enough
1343 [10:03:09] <LibertyWeNeed> the apps I mena
1344 [10:03:11] <LibertyWeNeed> mean
1345 [10:03:12] <n4dir> the apps? yeah, sure
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1347 [10:03:23] <LibertyWeNeed> cool
1348 [10:03:31] <n4dir> i only go there to check if i search for a
certain app. there probably is a English too, but i only know that
one
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1350 [10:04:00] <LibertyWeNeed> I need one that is a contacts app
that is compatible with card dav
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1352 [10:04:12] <n4dir> well: you can also quickly ask in IrC or a
forum, duh ...
1353 [10:04:34] <LibertyWeNeed> Isn't that what I am doing
here?
1354 [10:04:45] <n4dir> the ubuntu wiki says evolution is
compatible but one would need to install a plugin. I only had a
quick glance
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1356 [10:04:56] <LibertyWeNeed> will take a look
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1358 [10:05:04] <n4dir> Yup, i try to explain that the link i gave
is only half-useful ...
1359 [10:05:22] <TimurTheLame> LibertyWeNeed, you could check this
wiki
replaced-url
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1361 [10:06:09] <LibertyWeNeed> By the way isn't lightning a
calendar plugin?
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1382 [10:21:06] <ws2k3> what is this proces exacly?
[irq/56-eth0-rx-] and [irq/57-eth0-tx-]
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1419 [10:44:05] <babilen> ws2k3: What does it look like?
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1434 [10:51:11] <ws2k3> babilen it looks like a linux proces for
the irq of those interfaces for tx and rx
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1436 [10:51:17] <ws2k3> but i dont understand why they are there
1437 [10:51:25] <ws2k3> cause on several other machines i dont
have them
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1440 [10:52:07] <ws2k3> babilen i do have to say that machine has
a self compiled kernel instead of the default one. but im just
trying to find out why that is. and how its done
1441 [10:52:12] <babilen> ws2k3: Draft a list of feature and
eliminate those common to all of them
1442 [10:52:46] <ws2k3> babilen i assume you mean kernel features?
how can i do that
1443 [10:52:50] <babilen> On how many other boxes do you see it
where you are also using this self-compiled kernel?
1444 [10:52:56] <FuzzyHandcuffs> bigpresh why you mute me on
#freenode you fag?
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1446 [10:53:06] <babilen> I meant "all features one can think
of"
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1448 [10:53:11] <bazhang> FuzzyHandcuffs, stop now
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1453 [10:53:17] <ws2k3> babilen i have 3 machines where this
kernel is installed
1454 [10:54:07] <babilen> And how many of those have this process?
1455 [10:54:16] <babilen> And why do you care?
1456 [10:54:19] <ws2k3> babilen all 3
1457 [10:54:30] <ws2k3> babilen but default debian 7 install does
not have this
1458 [10:54:45] <ws2k3> babilen i care cause i wanne learn/find
out why that is
1459 [10:54:48] <babilen> I'd argue that the likelihood is
high that it is due to your self-compiled kernel
1460 [10:55:13] <ws2k3> babilen yeah im pretty sure of that. but
how/why
1461 [10:55:28] <babilen> Eliminate differences between
"your" kernel and the Debian one and I'm sure
you'll track it down eventually
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1485 [11:09:31] <wreck_boo> how do i setup wlan0 as my default
interface
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1489 [11:10:50] <somiaj> wreck_boo: vaiours ways, do you use a
gui, maybe network-manager?
1490 [11:11:05] <wreck_boo> yeah
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1492 [11:11:07] <wreck_boo> tell me
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1494 [11:11:39] <somiaj> what gui/desktop are you using? Is there
a tool alreayd to configure the network?
1495 [11:11:51] <wreck_boo> lxde
1496 [11:12:01] <wreck_boo> but i hav network manager installed
1497 [11:12:04] <BluesKaj> Hey all
1498 [11:12:53] <somiaj> wreck_boo: and network manager
deosn't see your wlan0 device?
1499 [11:13:07] <wreck_boo> it sees it
1500 [11:13:27] <wreck_boo> but it makes eth0 my default instead
of wlan0
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1502 [11:13:45] <somiaj> network manger does? Are you both pluged
in and using wifi at the same time?
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1505 [11:15:21] <wreck_boo> somiaj: yeah
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1509 [11:17:01] <somiaj> wreck_boo: well eth0 will have faster
speeds than the wifi, but you can probably tell network manager to
disable eth0 and it will then just use wlan0
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1511 [11:17:04] <BluesKaj> ethernet will take precedence over wifi
1512 [11:17:30] <somiaj> but if you ahve both I would use ethernet
over wifi, you may have to disable eth0 to only use wlan0
1513 [11:17:35] <BluesKaj> or unplug the ethernet cable
1514 [11:17:45] <somiaj> you could mess with routes if you really
wanted to, but I woudln't suggest that route
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1519 [11:18:59] <wreck_boo> how do i?
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1521 [11:19:15] <abff> unplug the ethernet cable is the best
suggestion
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1524 [11:19:36] <jushur> why do you even want to use wifi as a
primary? its like so unsecure its ridiculus?
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1528 [11:21:31] <wreck_boo> yeah its for developmetn purpose
1529 [11:21:37] <BluesKaj> jushur, don't use scare tactics,
it doesn't help
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1531 [11:23:08] <abff> just pop out the ethernet cable whenever
you need to force wlan0 to be used, do what testing you need to be
done, and pop the eth cable back in when you're in need of a
wired connection again
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1533 [11:23:22] <abff> trying to convince to software to do what
your hand could do in half a second is unecessary
1534 [11:23:37] <abff> unless that is also an issue, then I
apologize
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1536 [11:24:07] <wreck_boo> its for development purpose itwnt help
that way
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1539 [11:24:12] <BluesKaj> abff, well said
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1545 [11:28:15] <BluesKaj> wreck_boo, unplug the ethernet cable,
reboot, let network manager search for the gateway, it'll be
listed , choose the correct connection, enter the pw and it should
work assuming you have the correct wifi driver instaled
1546 [11:28:50] <jushur> route add default dev eth0 metric 20
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1550 [11:29:45] <jushur> will force the use of the wireless dev
before the eth0
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1555 [11:32:32] <jushur> and will autocorrect to the eth0 when
wireless is not avail
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1568 [11:38:12] <abff> youtube. . . why. I can have 30 tabs open
in firefox and be streaming a over lan with kodi and use less CPU
then a single video in youtube
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1577 [11:43:13] <jushur> abff: that sentence makes no sense?
1578 [11:44:05] <abff> Maybe?
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1580 [11:44:22] <abff> Maybe I was exagerating a little bit
1581 [11:44:58] <jushur> abff: not that, i dont get what
"youtube" is. besides the site? you play it trough firefox
or what?
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1585 [11:46:24] <abff> one embedded video on
replaced-url
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1588 [11:47:06] <TuTizz> Hi everyone, I would like to downgrade
tar to version 1.26, I have a weezy distro what's wrong with
the following cmd : apt-get install tar=1.26+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1
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1590 [11:47:58] <jushur> abff: sounds like a denial of service
type of bug inside the embedded tab, look at its error console?
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1594 [11:48:37] <jushur> abff: also Fx has issues with large
textures, so that may be the issue.
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1597 [11:49:35] <BluesKaj> abff, streaming is not using X to
create video, it's merely data
1598 [11:51:01] <Brigo> TuTizz, what's the problem?
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1601 [11:51:59] <TuTizz> Brigo, it told me that E: Version
'1.26+dfsg-10' for 'tar' was not found
1602 [11:52:09] <Brigo> ,v tar
1603 [11:52:10] <judd> Package: tar on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.26+dfsg-0.1; wheezy-security: 1.26+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1;
wheezy-backports: 1.27.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security:
1.27.1-2+deb8u1; jessie: 1.27.1-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports:
1.29b-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.29b-1.1; stretch: 1.29b-1.1
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1605 [11:52:50] <Brigo> TuTizz, that's right there is not
such version
1606 [11:53:23] <abff> jushur, I'll look into that; BluesKaj
then task to render it?
1607 [11:53:37] <abff> BluesKaj then firefox is tasked to render
it?*
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1610 [11:55:14] <BluesKaj> abff, use system monitor or some such
to check FF and X cpu loads
1611 [11:56:10] <abff> BluesKaj X does seem to take some of the
load when the video is playing, about 1/3rd of the resources firefox
demands
1612 [11:56:13] <BluesKaj> unless you have dedicated PCI graphics
1613 [11:56:20] <TomTomTo1> TuTizz: i think you made a typo. the
command you gave looks correct but the output is different.
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1619 [11:57:19] <BluesKaj> FF is quite bloated , abff
1620 [11:57:28] <TomTomTo1> TuTizz: also check with apt-cache
policy tar what versions are listed.
1621 [11:57:33] <abff> BluesKaj I suspect it's youtube. . .
1622 [11:57:40] <Brigo> TuTizz, do you have wheezy-security
enable?
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1627 [11:58:50] <abff> BluesKaj I do have an integrated card as
well as a discrete nouveau card. How can I tell which one is being
used for different applications?
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1631 [12:00:25] <BluesKaj> abff, system monitor works well IME
1632 [12:00:34] <TuTizz> ok, well my mistake cat
/etc/debian_version give me 8.7 so a jessie version
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1636 [12:01:58] <BluesKaj> abff, why use nouveau...it's ok,
but a the correct nvidia driver for your card give will much better
performance
1637 [12:02:30] <TuTizz> TomTomTo1, Brigo, judd, Is tar 1.26
available on jessie?
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1642 [12:03:01] <TomTomTo1> TuTizz: no, jessie has 1.27
1643 [12:03:06] <abff> BluesKaj I haven't needed it for
anything, and probably never will, my GPU intensive applications are
all on dedicated machines these days
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1645 [12:03:46] <BluesKaj> abff, ok
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1647 [12:04:43] <TuTizz> TomTomTo1, Brigo, judd, ok thank you
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1653 [12:05:53] <Brigo> TuTizz, np, judd is a bot,
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1656 [12:06:09] <TuTizz> :D ok
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1821 [13:35:37] <kieselW> I created a debian package using dh_make
and the "make install" target places a config in
$(DESTDIR)/etc/foo.conf but when I install the created package
there's nothing in /etc ?
1822 [13:36:06] <kieselW> (I also tried to add /etc/foo.conf to
debian/conffiles, but then I get a warning that /etc/foo.conf is a
duplicate)
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1836 [13:43:45] <missmbob> kieselW: i'd try #debian-mentors
on oftc for packaging questions
1837 [13:44:31] <kieselW> missmbob, thx
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1839 [13:44:55] <themill> kieselW: are you checking inside the
package or are you just trying to install it?
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1842 [13:45:30] <kieselW> I installed the created package using
dpkg -i
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1844 [13:45:51] <themill> Better to look inside it using mc or
unpack it to a temp dir using dpkg -x
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1846 [13:46:36] <themill> reason is that conffile handling is
different -- if you had deleted that file, installing the package
won't bring it back
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1852 [13:49:08] * wreck_boo says hi
1853 [13:49:26] <wreck_boo> how can i setup my defaul interface to
wlan0
1854 [13:50:48] <babilen> deja vu
1855 [13:51:01] <babilen> wreck_boo: I believe that question has
already been addressed
1856 [13:51:21] <wreck_boo> babilen: nop
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1858 [13:51:36] <babilen> How so?
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1860 [13:52:33] <wreck_boo> babilen: the answer wasnt satisfying
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1863 [13:53:04] <themill> Does that mean it didn't work? The
command wasn't pretty enough?
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1865 [13:53:18] <die7> is there any command in apt/aptitude to see
whi9ch files comes with package like "yum provides" or rpm
-ql?
1866 [13:53:25] <BluesKaj> wreck_boo, first of all, do you have
the proper wifi driver installed?
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1868 [13:53:33] <babilen> die7: "dpkg -L PKG"
1869 [13:53:37] <themill> die7: installed or not installed?
1870 [13:53:40] <die7> babilen: tnx
1871 [13:53:51] <babilen> (that would address the
"installed" part)
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1873 [13:54:47] <die7> babilen: but for example I wish to know
which package provide hosts.deny
1874 [13:55:03] <foogu> how can i then configure servers to use
different interface on debian
1875 [13:55:08] <themill> die7: that's the inverse of the
question you asked; dpkg -S filename
1876 [13:55:09] <babilen> die7: For that you'd use apt-file
1877 [13:55:21] <missmbob> i like dpkg -S foo
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1879 [13:55:29] <babilen> Doesn't work for uninstalled
packages
1880 [13:55:41] <die7> thank you all
1881 [13:55:41] <babilen> Which brings us back to themill's
question
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1883 [13:55:43] <themill> and no package ships hosts.deny
1884 [13:55:44] <babilen> :)
1885 [13:55:52] <foogu> how can i then configure servers to use
different interface on debian
1886 [13:56:17] <babilen> foogu: You have been given the answer
already
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1890 [13:57:27] <die7> themill: really, how comes then to system ,
standard conf file?
1891 [13:57:37] <foogu> how can i then configure servers to use
different interface on debian
1892 [13:58:03] <babilen> foogu: What was/is wrong with the
command and explanation that has been mentioned earlier?
1893 [13:58:10] <themill> foogu: perhaps you should try asking
your question in a different way or explaining what it is you
didn't understand about the earlier answers.
1894 [13:58:22] <themill> die7: it's created in the
maintainer scripts for the package
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1897 [13:59:02] <die7> themill: sure means it is till a part of
any package but in pre or post part
1898 [13:59:18] <themill> it is not part of any package
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1901 [14:02:43] <foogu> babilen: how can i configure a vpn server
to use wlan0
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1914 [14:07:37] <darxmurf> I know it's not the right place
but if somebody can help for a mysql query ? :-)
1915 [14:07:39] <themill> foogu: servers normally bind to a
specific IP address (not a specific device).
1916 [14:08:04] <darxmurf>
replaced-url
1917 [14:08:40] <darxmurf> I don't get how to "left
join" the "group prices" next to each other
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1923 [14:09:39] <darxmurf> I could get one line for each task and
price but can't get everything in one line
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1926 [14:11:15] <missmbob> darxmurf: try #sql
1927 [14:12:00] <darxmurf> okay :-)
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1929 [14:12:18] <darxmurf> 14:11 -!- #mysql Cannot send to channel
<- cool folks ^^
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1931 [14:12:47] <petn-randall> darxmurf: What does the /topic say?
1932 [14:13:10] <themill> darxmurf: register and identify to
nickserv
1933 [14:13:58] <darxmurf> hum I did not see my irc client did
reload
1934 [14:14:01] <darxmurf> sorry about that
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1938 [14:14:21] <darxmurf> ok now :-)
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1955 [14:21:04] <tdn> What password manage do you recommend for
Debian? Keepass?
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1957 [14:21:59] <LnxBil> Hi,
1958 [14:22:02] <missmbob> keepassxc. it's not in debian but
they provide a deb
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1963 [14:23:59] <LnxBil> Does anybody have "newer"
netboot images for stretch? The newest is of 2017-01-27 with kernel
4.9.0-1, but the mirror only has 4.9.0-0 and 4.9.0-2 stuff, so
installer does not find related kernel modules and will fail
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1965 [14:24:20] <Papillon> wow
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2002 [14:38:16] <colo-work> is /var/lib/dpkg/available relevant on
a modern Debian release?
2003 [14:38:34] <colo-work> I have this file on my host
that's been set up with squeeze (and is running jessie now),
and its mtime is from 2015...
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2006 [14:40:09] <jelly> colo-work: not really
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2008 [14:40:34] <jelly> dselect cares for it, but let's be
honest when did you last use dselect
2009 [14:40:34] <dselect> jelly: I give up, what is it?
2010 [14:40:42] <jelly> dselect: be quiet
2011 [14:40:42] <dselect> Ah, shuddup.
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2014 [14:41:07] <OnceMe> how can I install cron, I thought that
simple copying cron to /var/spool/... will do the job, but I was
wrong
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2016 [14:41:14] <OnceMe> cron was not running, because it was not
"installed"
2017 [14:41:23] <colo-work> hehe
2018 [14:41:27] <jelly> OnceMe: is the "cron" package
installed?
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2020 [14:41:39] <colo-work> jelly, ok, so there's no use for
it on a system using apt-get and aptitude exclusively?
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2023 [14:42:07] <OnceMe> jelly: yes it was
2024 [14:42:14] <jelly> colo-work: pretty much. If you have lots
of cruft in dpkg -l output you can update the file...
2025 [14:42:18] <jelly> !available
2026 [14:42:18] <dpkg> If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or
generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc),
"apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available &&
dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively,
you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
2027 [14:42:42] <OnceMe> jelly: what are corect perms of cronjob
file?
2028 [14:42:45] <OnceMe> user:crontab ?
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2030 [14:43:09] <jelly> OnceMe: don't touch files in
/var/spool/cron/crontabs/ directly, use "crontab -e" to
edit them instead
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2033 [14:43:41] <colo-work> jelly, thanks, I will read up on what
these things do. I have another, even older host which produces
warnings like this one:
2034 [14:43:41] <jelly> OnceMe: if you disregard and di it
directly, at the very least you need to "service cron
restart"
2035 [14:43:41] <colo-work> dpkg: warning: parsing file
'/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 223031 package
'epic4':
2036 [14:43:41] <colo-work> 'Conflicts' field, reference
to 'epic4-help': error in version: version number does not
start with digit
2037 [14:43:42] <dpkg> colo-work: That isn't enough detail,
post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
2038 [14:44:01] <colo-work> I guess treating it with the same
medicine should make that go away?
2039 [14:44:07] <jelly> nod
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2041 [14:44:36] <colo-work> thanks :)
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2045 [14:45:04] <jelly> OnceMe: but that way you can accidentally
set up a file with invalide syntax. Using "crontab -e"
will do some checking.
2046 [14:45:16] <OnceMe> ok
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2060 [14:53:43] <OnceMe> I am trying to run cron task as
replaced-url
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2149 [15:30:20] <unborn> hi folks - got question.. how on earth I
can do replace very first line on start in gedit? - since provided
by debian gnome as default text editor.. bugs are ignored - which is
bad enough but - still the question is how to replace fist line in
logs with custom text.. anyone knows?
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2171 [15:39:11] <jhutchins> OnceMe: Have you read the manpage for
crontab? (man 1)
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2179 [15:40:38] <OnceMe> jhutchins: I did
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2184 [15:41:29] <jhutchins> OnceMe: So you know how you would
edit/create a cron table for a specific user, right?
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2189 [15:42:30] <unborn> anyone with knowledge of gedit in debian?
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2192 [15:42:57] <Stummi> unborn, your question doesn't make
sense. You are talking about the GUI-Texteditor from gnome, right?
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2194 [15:43:21] <Stummi> I mean, just put your cursor on line 1,
press ctrl+d and insert whatever you want
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2196 [15:43:38] <unborn> Stummi: yes indeed. which part of the
question did not make sense to you?
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2198 [15:43:43] <panga> Hello o/
2199 [15:43:57] <Stummi> unborn, you are asking how to edit files
in this texteditor..
2200 [15:44:02] <unborn> Stummi: sorry - its default gnome editor
and there are some bugs
2201 [15:44:09] <Stummi> theres no real answer beside "just
do it"
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2204 [15:44:40] <panga> Question, there is a guide to create a
local debian repo? I cannot find any in a correct manner
2205 [15:44:49] <Iridos> Shia LaBeouf?
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2208 [15:45:00] <unborn> Stummi: wrong.. I've asked how to
replace (ctr+h) first line in that editor.. since using debian non
free..
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2213 [15:45:38] <unborn> Stummi: means any edits.. be it withing
debian nano or text editor provided to me..
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2216 [15:46:57] <Iridos> dpkg, own repo
2217 [15:46:57] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you
need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the
packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very
sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>.
If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian
tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See
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2218 [15:47:01] <jhutchins> panga:
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2219 [15:47:10] <carp_> I just installed something with apt-get
and it automatically installed several other packages that work with
it. How do I fully delete all of these new packages? I believe it is
'apt-get purge' but how do I get it to purge all the extra
support packages too?
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2221 [15:47:53] <Iridos> panga, see the bots reply above…
you may want to also /msg dpkg reprepro
2222 [15:48:03] <panga> Thank you jhutchins
2223 [15:48:14] <BluesKaj> carp_, those are most likely
dependencies and are required by the package you installed to work
properly
2224 [15:48:17] <dixson> Hello friends; I need you to help me with
a problem. Connect 2 computers in network (windows 7, linuxmint 18.1
mate). From windows to linux no problem, but from linux to windows
if, ask me for username and password.
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2226 [15:48:27] <msl09> hiya is the postgresql package on stable
ok?
2227 [15:48:29] <msl09>
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2228 [15:48:30] <panga> Thank you Iridos I'll tried that but
there is too many info and not clear steps
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2230 [15:48:32] <Iridos> carp_, apt-get autoremove
2231 [15:48:33] <unborn> Stummi: I did asked my question very
clear.. no need to ask additional questions about it
2232 [15:48:53] <BluesKaj> !dependecies | carp_
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2235 [15:49:30] <panga> !dependencies
2236 [15:49:30] <dpkg> methinks dependencies is one of the killer
benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other
packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.)
automatically determine these dependencies and select additional
packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to
download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time, or they are set
in the file control of a package (see <package>)
2237 [15:49:43] <carp_> BluesKaj: yes I did 'apt-get install
wordpress' but Im now thinking I want to purge wordpress and
all the support packages it installed.
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2239 [15:49:52] <BluesKaj> thanks panga
2240 [15:50:16] <panga> BluesKaj sure (y)
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2245 [15:51:12] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
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2247 [15:51:16] <carp_> Iridos: so to purge wordpress and all the
support packages it installed too, what would one type in the
command line? "sudo apt-get autoremove wordpress" ?
2248 [15:51:30] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, what debian version was
based mainly on kernel 2.2 and Glibc 2.0 or 2.1 please?
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2253 [15:54:42] <BluesKaj> carp_, sudo apt purge wordpress, the
run sudo apt-get autoremove
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2255 [15:55:28] <msl09> oh I just needed to specify -t
jessie-backports
2256 [15:55:46] <carp_> BluesKaj: I see, and that will firstly
purge wordpress, then it cleans up any unnecessary packages that
remain? Debian is awfully clever :)
2257 [15:56:10] <carp_> Alternatively is there a kind of undo last
command kind of thing?
2258 [15:56:22] <BluesKaj> carp_, exactly ,autoremove removes
other unneeded packages as well
2259 [15:56:55] <FinalX> does anyone still have a squeeze install
somewhere? i'm curious to /etc/gai.conf's content.. if
there was a precedence line rolled out in libc's package
2260 [15:57:04] <unborn> carp_: you do realise that wordpress is
php app.. meaning all you need is access to db and rest of the
install is very simple.. no need for apt-get?
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2264 [15:58:12] <FinalX> we have some jessie installs that have a
fully commented-out /etc/gai.conf, and some that have a precedence
line and we can't figure out what got that precedence line in
there :)
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2269 [15:58:38] <carp_> unborn: I dont know how easy/hard it is to
install wordpress but I have 5 guides open on separate tabs, all are
quite long, for example:
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2271 [15:58:52] <jhutchins> FinalX: I have a lenny install
available.
2272 [15:59:19] <carp_> I am thinking of following that guide, and
see how it goes. Still quite scared of mucking things up as I am a
new user from windows.
2273 [15:59:19] <FinalX> I don't think we upgraded those from
that old, but, sure? :) anything in /etc/gai.conf there? :)
2274 [15:59:19] <unborn> Stummi: where did you go? if you still
here - I would be delighted if you would provide me some light out
in my darkness :)
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2277 [16:00:09] <Iridos> carp_, any packages you haven't
manually specified to be installed are marked as "automatically
installed". "man apt-get" answers your last question
much better than I could. be careful with that feature,
though… there are some metapackages in debian (like
task-desktop or desktop-base etc. ) if you remove any of their
dependencies, the metapackage will be removed… and if you
then do an autoremove, it removes all of gnome
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2279 [16:00:46] <FinalX> oh, we even have a lenny install left.
2280 [16:00:50] <FinalX> nobody dares to touch that machine.
2281 [16:00:50] <unborn> carp_: sure.. I do respect it.. but no
one should use apt-get install wordpress or whatever..if you do run
proper server that should be handled a bit different. Unless you do
it on your local host.. aka just for your self
2282 [16:01:09] <rohit_> hello guys, I trying to open ssh port
from my debian machine, i configured static ip on my debian and
through Dlink router configured virtual server to forward port 22 as
well. but still not able to ssh from outside of network, can someone
please help
2283 [16:01:16] <stoned> one should use wp-cli
2284 [16:01:24] <stoned>
replaced-url
2285 [16:01:35] <stoned> Don't use anything but this, if you
really want to play w/ WP
2286 [16:01:36] <unborn> carp_: expect some issues while you do
pull it out from repo..
2287 [16:01:38] <galex-713> how much gigas to install xfce4 and a
debian base system?
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2289 [16:01:43] <stoned> I would stay away from that and try to
move toward JAM
2290 [16:01:56] <stoned> Javascript, (external) APIs,
Markdown/Markup
2291 [16:01:56] <somiaj> unborn: I think in debian one should
isntall wordpress from the repo, this way wordpress gets security
updates just like any other packages.
2292 [16:02:08] <unborn> stoned: you do not even use wp.. what are
you talking about? :) btw how are ya?
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2294 [16:02:14] <stoned> JAM is clientside only, and relies on
third party services, JS, no backend, no db, nothing.
2295 [16:02:19] <stoned> No sir.
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2297 [16:02:31] <carp_> BluesKaj: Ah your method worked perfectly
to undo the wordpress and supporting packages installation. Thanks.
2298 [16:02:35] <galex-713> I’ve a 3G usb stick but it
continually says “no more space” so I have to free space
in /var/cache/apt/archives
2299 [16:02:40] <carp_> Iridos: thanks i will check this out now.
2300 [16:02:43] <somiaj> galex-713: depends on what you consider
space used, but for an xfce system 4 gigs should be sufficent.
2301 [16:02:48] <stoned> unborn:
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2302 [16:02:48] <petn-randall> galex-713: "a few".
I'd at least have 10 GB for /.
2303 [16:03:00] <BluesKaj> carp_, the wonders of debian :-)
2304 [16:03:03] <somiaj> galex-713: 3gigs is going to be a bit
tight for having room to download packages, save logs, and do other
stuff.
2305 [16:03:08] <stoned> unborn: I also use netlify for fast
testing/protyping/deployment via webooks from gitlab.
2306 [16:03:10] <unborn> somiaj: hello, sure - well - from where?
coz stuck install did not updated for me with apt-get update but
wordpress from .org did it it self
2307 [16:03:11] <stoned>
replaced-url
2308 [16:03:35] <stoned> It's free for open source projects,
and I was thinking of redoing some debian stuffs in static sties
2309 [16:03:38] <carp_> unborn: ok great, well thats why I just
undid the install using apt-get and will try following the above
linked guide next instead. Do you think that looks like a good way
of doing it?
2310 [16:03:46] <Iridos> SpeakerToMeat, guess you'd have to
look at the Packages files of the distros here:
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2314 [16:04:05] <unborn> stoned: most of those folks here would
not understand.. never mind - you know.
2315 [16:04:06] <stoned> Possibly petition debian to move to
better website format for a few things
2316 [16:04:06] <galex-713> somiaj, 4 gigs at the end? :/ so I
will not be able to install xfce?
2317 [16:04:08] <somiaj> unborn: debian is frozen so you get the
version that comes in debian, but you will get secuirty updates when
you run apt-get update && apt-get ugprade regurally. If
using some other system to install wordpress you won't get to
take advntange of debians securiey updates.
2318 [16:04:17] <stoned> unborn: well, yo umentioend wp, so I
mentiond this.
2319 [16:04:21] <galex-713> petn-randall, what? you mean for a
day-to-day full-used system, not a base system with XFCE?
2320 [16:04:22] <stoned> Otherwise, yes, ths is not a place for
web dev.
2321 [16:04:26] <somiaj> galex-713: you can probably get away with
just 3 gigs, but since you said this is a usb, why not just use a
live system?
2322 [16:04:26] <stoned> thi sis linux/debian admin/support
2323 [16:04:27] <unborn> somiaj: Im on jessie..
2324 [16:04:32] <somiaj> ,v wordpress
2325 [16:04:33] <galex-713> it’s for a shared pc to teach
“internet” to old persons
2326 [16:04:33] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie:
4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports:
4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1
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2328 [16:04:43] <stoned>
replaced-url
2329 [16:04:52] <unborn> frozen or not - if virtual stuff setup
properly - no need for apt-get..
2330 [16:04:53] <somiaj> unborn: wordpress is in jessie with
security support, and in jessie-backports for a newer version
2331 [16:05:12] <darkseg> rohit_: if you run netstat are you
listening on port 22?
2332 [16:05:16] <unborn> okay, Im just one of those stupit..
2333 [16:05:22] <SpeakerToMeat> Iridos: Slink, I need Debian
Slink, Sweet Mother Of God
2334 [16:05:23] <stoned> !wpcli is
replaced-url
2335 [16:05:23] <dpkg> stoned: okay
2336 [16:05:28] <galex-713> somiaj, because it’s for
installing, i’d like to install other packages then
(thunderbird, libreoffice, etc. especially those that work on
non-free OSes too)
2337 [16:05:42] <stoned> now, if anyone mentions instaling wp
thorugh debian repos, please dont. !tell them about wp cli
2338 [16:05:45] <stoned> thank you
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2341 [16:06:07] <unborn> stoned: no one needs debian repos for
installing wp..
2342 [16:06:08] <stoned> it will install and mage latest wp
versions fo ryou
2343 [16:06:12] <stoned> unborn: true.
2344 [16:06:26] <unborn> just..one of those useless things out
there.
2345 [16:06:32] <stoned> *nod*
2346 [16:06:59] <unborn> somiaj: i was devops before sysops..
2347 [16:07:10] <stoned> No idea why someone would een pakage cms
and other security prone things which need constant updates on
debian. Debian is stable/frozen.
2348 [16:07:12] <galex-713> somiaj, and unpacking, upgrading and
repacking live-system is tedious, also it adds the bother of useless
boot entries like “install”, “graphical
install”, “[install] advanced options”, etc.
2349 [16:07:28] <stoned> and I'm not sure if wp debian packag
keeps up w/ security updates as fast as they happen.
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2351 [16:07:53] <galex-713> wait, what’s the default dm for
debian when you install xfce?
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2353 [16:08:06] <stoned> lightdm?
2354 [16:08:07] <unborn> stoned: coz they would like it.. however
as it happens - no one needs it, also 99% installs it outside..
2355 [16:08:07] * galex-713 tried to install gdm and is noticing apt is
installing gnome-shell
2356 [16:08:28] <galex-713> ah ok
2357 [16:08:31] <unborn> documentation is outdated and not clear
so - you know it well..
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2361 [16:10:10] <unborn> somiaj: as well you are advanced about os
- that I am very well advanced regards the servers.. trust me if I
would say I note you - or not.. its mean to be like I would say.
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2366 [16:11:43] <carp_> stoned: unborn: You guys are clearly for
more technical than me, but Im trying to understand. So what is your
recommendation for wordpress. Basically I want to make a small
personal website, maybe eventually it will have a forum. Im on
Debian Jessie and have backports enabled. Id like security updates
to be handled as simply as possible on my part (running update and
upgrade commands daily would be the easiest).
2367 [16:12:09] <srg> I know exact release dates aren't
identified, but is the stretch release months away or a year away?
I'm not super familiar with debian's release cycle timing
and I'm trying to plan for a prod server.
2368 [16:12:11] <petn-randall> ,v wordpress
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2370 [16:12:19] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie:
4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports:
4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1
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2372 [16:13:26] <unborn> carp_: well - if that is small personal
website - I would go to wordpress .org website and install directly
latest wordpress onto your server. also I would consider mysqlite
against mysql.. its just text file
2373 [16:13:45] <Iridos> srg, months
2374 [16:13:50] <unborn> carp_: also this will make things for
bacup easier.
2375 [16:14:05] <carp_> unborn: Thanks for the tips.
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2377 [16:14:08] <unborn> I would not use anything from apt-get..
too much hassle for sites
2378 [16:14:24] <petn-randall> carp_: If you care about security
support, either install the packages from Debian, or install from
source. I've heard wordpress now comes with an auto-updater by
default which can't be turned off.
2379 [16:14:29] <unborn> carp_: if you need more info. just pm me.
2380 [16:14:32] <Iridos> dpkg, tell srg about stretch freeze
2381 [16:14:48] <carp_> Thanks guys.
2382 [16:15:01] <Iridos> srg, when these are done
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2383 [16:15:01] <Iridos> ^^
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2385 [16:15:49] <unborn> petn-randall: to be honest he should be
always off for source.. as debian repos are pretty much outdated.
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2387 [16:16:26] <unborn> plus he would have freedom of configs..
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2391 [16:17:40] <Stummi> unborn, sorry, went away. I am also not a
user of gedit
2392 [16:17:53] <srg> Thanks Iridos
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2396 [16:18:14] <unborn> Stummi: its okay.. it was just general
question :)
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2398 [16:19:04] <unborn> Stummi: I would be glad if you could
suggest me an terminal option.. please do so.
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2406 [16:21:42] <carp_> petn-randall: just to be clear, when you
say install the packages from Debian, thats with something like
apt-get right? So I would be running wordpress with the 2015 theme
by default and would always be atleast a year behind the most up to
date worpdress. (this is totally fine as far as Im concerned).
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2408 [16:22:22] <Stummi> unborn, echo "first line"; sed
1d yourfile
2409 [16:22:23] <TomTomTo1> carp_: debian packages the latest
wordpress release as you can take from the version list above.
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2414 [16:23:20] <unborn> Stummi: sorry but it did not worked for
me.. I just had your highlights on me that's all
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2416 [16:23:53] <unborn> ,v wordpress
2417 [16:23:54] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie:
4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports:
4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1
2418 [16:24:08] <petn-randall> carp_: Yes, with apt-get. That way
you get security support as long as you regularly install updates.
Look at 'unattended-upgrades' for example.
2419 [16:24:51] <transhuman_> hi! I am wondering. (In light of the
SHA-1 fail. I notice that SHA-1 is now disabled on Debian. Which is
good of course, but I notice the default is to accept the current
version of the ssh_config. Would the settiings in ssh_config EVER
have any relevance on the sha-1 subject?
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2421 [16:25:51] <unborn> perhaps this is right carp_ but since
wordpress does automatic updates - hm nothing working for me...
unless apt-get..
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2424 [16:27:06] <unborn> sha1? - goolge it.. so far to my
knowledge - it should be banned or removed at least
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2426 [16:27:43] <carp_> petn-randall: unborn: great. well honestly
as I am a noob, Im much more comfortable using apt-get so I think I
will use that method.
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2435 [16:29:03] <unborn> carp_: sure.. i did not know that debian
would be able to feed new releases about the app it self - usually
they don't tell you at all. that is why I did keep wordpress
separate..
2436 [16:29:18] <unborn> you know... all of those things.
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2438 [16:29:52] <unborn> + no one will talk to you.. its just bad
insult to debian it self.
2439 [16:30:06] <dixson> Hello friends; I need you to help me with
a problem. Connect 2 computers in network (windows 7, linuxmint 18.1
mate). From windows to linux no problem, but from linux to windows
if, ask me for username and password.
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2441 [16:30:28] <carp_> unborn: ok this is interesting for me to
learn. So do you think the guide I linked would be a good one to try
following?
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2444 [16:30:35] <petn-randall> hi dixson, how is this related to
Debian?
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2447 [16:32:23] <unborn> carp_: all I am saying if you did install
it via apt-get update - follow they guide if you did installed to
your server via wordpress .org - just let if go for automatic safety
updates...
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2450 [16:33:03] <unborn> ...i use only debian.. no mint or ubuntu
on my end
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2453 [16:34:05] <carp_> I too am on debian only, the guide is for
debian and the others. Thanks for the help though.
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2455 [16:35:36] <dontknow> carp_, you need to remove password
protection from windows. i don't remember how. maybe by
disabling uac. i am not sure
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2458 [16:36:27] <carp_> dontknow: i think you meant to reply to
dixson ?
2459 [16:36:41] <dontknow> ah yes
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2463 [16:39:09] <unborn> carp_: sure I understand that guide is
out of date withing all and others.. so far I was unable to contact
anyone to modify those docs out there and I do not think I or anyone
else would be successfully - contact form on those pages are just
bad joke.. be honest - its shit.
2464 [16:39:34] <jhutchins> ,v wordpress
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2466 [16:39:36] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u14; jessie:
4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports:
4.7.3+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1
2467 [16:39:45] <unborn> carp_: it will leads you nowhere or to
the ban here.. at irc chat.. that's what it is.
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2469 [16:40:38] <jhutchins> carp_: Mainstream jessie wordpress is
currently insecure, backports is current and secure.
2470 [16:41:03] <jhutchins> carp_: Many people rely on the
internal update checks and automatic minor-version updates within
wordpress.
2471 [16:41:50] <unborn> carp_: so far no one give a toss about
documentation here.. ops here would mute you or ban you however docs
would never change.. that is an as they call it ; reality ;
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2475 [16:42:17] <jhutchins> carp_: If you're going to be
working with WP you will want to learn and use wp-cli. Among other
things you can rescue an installation when you have lost access to
wp-admin.
2476 [16:42:25] <transhuman_> well, this isn't an official
debian source, but it indicates that the KeyAlgorithm" accepts
sha-1 as an algorithm. I am not trying to start anything just
suggesting that if people during upgrade process don't change
the ssh_config settings...does that mean it will accept sha-1 if
people don't catch the default sha_config setting of not
upgrading to package maintainers version?
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2478 [16:43:46] <carp_> unborn: sorry Im not quite sure what you
are saying. I think you are saying you think the guide I linked is
out of date and so I shouldnt follow it. Its the most up to date
guide I could find for installing wordpress on debian jessie. I dont
understand what you are saying about banning and muting in IRC chat.
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2480 [16:44:13] <carp_> jhutchins: Thanks for these tips. Im on
jessie backports already so thats good. I will look into wpcli more.
2481 [16:44:26] <TomTomTo1> nobody is ever sure what unborn is
saying.
2482 [16:44:27] <unborn> jhutchins: if the user would love to
learn about wordpress - he does not need to learn about cli.. sorry
but you are advising the user rubbish.
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2484 [16:45:00] <unborn> TomTomTo1: sure.. face the truth..
finally
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2486 [16:46:06] <TomTomTo1> transhuman_: RSA is using SHA256 for
the fingerprint afaik. i'm not sure you can change that.
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2489 [16:47:10] <unborn> carp_: the only site I suggest is
worpress.org.. I do not use debian repos for being updated.. what i
did said is bebian is a bit outdated -and you can avoid this...
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2491 [16:47:17] <unborn> that is all I said.
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2495 [16:48:58] <petn-randall> transhuman_: It's always the
job of the admin to make sure any needed config changes are done.
Regarding sha1, it's still going to be safe for verifying data.
The attack on SHA-1 was a collision attack, not a pre-image attack.
2496 [16:49:25] <unborn> regards wordpress just install it
properly from withing wordpress .org repos and chill out.. no need
to apt-get.. which does not work from jessie gui at all - save your
self from this.
2497 [16:49:36] <petn-randall> Meaning: It doesn't enable an
attacker to exchange a valid key with a malicious one without going
unnoticed.
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2499 [16:50:20] <jhutchins> carp_: Wordpress tends to do major
updates about every four months - April, August, December. It's
not a schedule, but a trend.
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2501 [16:50:41] <transhuman_> oh ok, just thought I might have
come across something to let the Debian folks know about, no problem
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2504 [16:51:04] <unborn> ...meaning all your comments to get
lost...perhaps no one get it out properly yet :)
2505 [16:51:10] <carp_> jhutchins: right.
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2524 [16:57:40] <JamesB> Hello. I just received the Samba 4.2.14
update via unattended upgrades, and it caused my fileserver to not
respond or work for permissions of any subdirectory. What can I do
about this?
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2534 [17:00:38] <JamesB> Is there any way to revert a Debian
security update?
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2536 [17:01:06] <petn-randall> ,v samba
2537 [17:01:07] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u11;
wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2;
sid: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-1; stretch: 2:4.5.6+dfsg-1
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2539 [17:01:56] <petn-randall> JamesB: Are you sure that the
problem didn't exist before, and just showed up on restart?
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2541 [17:02:20] <JamesB> Yes, I am very sure. It has been working
fine for months, between many power-offs.
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2545 [17:02:36] <JamesB> I can create and edit files in the root
directory of the share, but Explorer freezes on creating files in
any subdirectory, and nobody can access any files in any
subdirectories.
2546 [17:02:59] <petn-randall> JamesB: You might have the old
package still in /var/cache/apt/archives/. If not, you can use
snapshots.debian.org.
2547 [17:03:27] <petn-randall> JamesB: If you verified it works
with the old version, I'd check the BTS and file a high
severity bug report against samba.
2548 [17:03:30] <JamesB> I received the breaking update at 7:37
this morning.
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2550 [17:03:54] <JamesB> Hmm, okay. I will look in there.
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2554 [17:04:35] <legionmoss> exit
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2557 [17:05:29] <petn-randall> JamesB: It seldomly happens, but
when it does, it's annoying. There was a asterisk security
update a few years back that broke SIP. Twice.
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2561 [17:07:10] <jhutchins> JamesB: It's likely that some
configuration item has changed syntax or changed defaults.
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2563 [17:07:45] <jhutchins> JamesB: You can enable (more verbose)
logging to help diagnose the problem, but remember to disable it
when you're done fixing it (samba logging is a major
performance hit).
2564 [17:08:07] <JamesB> Hmm. I have the package. I have not
installed in this manner before, though... if I use gdebi on the
samba .deb, I get 'dependency is not satisfiable', if I
use it on samba-common, I get 'breaks existing package
dependency'... What's the appropriate way to install this
old version?
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2567 [17:08:29] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Unlikely. Upstream
version number didn't change, so this should be non-changing
bugfixes only.
2568 [17:08:41] <jhutchins> petn-randall: Should.
2569 [17:08:58] <petn-randall> Wait, jessie changelog isn't
up yet
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2574 [17:09:30] <jhutchins> I have had situations where fixing a
bug broke my system, because my system had relied on the bug.
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2577 [17:09:48] <JamesB> Let me try disabling AppArmor first, just
in case. It's possible the AppArmor profile wasn't tested
for the change.
2578 [17:10:58] <JamesB> OK, it's not AppArmor.
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2584 [17:13:00] <jhutchins> JamesB: It sounds like the dirmask is
wrong.
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2586 [17:13:34] <jhutchins> JamesB: Can you check and see how
Explorer sees the permissions on the subdirs?
2587 [17:14:27] <JamesB> The dirmask should at least cause it to
give errors, though. When I create a file, Explorer will literally
freeze until I end task it.
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2589 [17:15:01] <JamesB> I am using ACLs and extended attributes
and all that jazz, by the way. Permissions for a test directory are
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2591 [17:16:01] <JamesB> Everyone none, (the creator) full control
this folder, CREATOR OWNER full control, (the group) full control of
the folder, CREATOR GROUP full control
2592 [17:16:02] <JamesB> Pretty normal
2593 [17:16:37] <JamesB> How does one force an old version
install? apt-get tells me about unmet dependencies if I try to
specify deb8u2 instead of deb8u4. gdebi won't install either
.What is the normal way to do this?
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2598 [17:20:10] <JamesB> If I try apt-get install
samba-common=2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2, it does offer to downgrade
samba-common, but it will also remove samba. Will I lose my settings
if I do this?
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2605 [17:25:28] <Daiwo> anyone pretty familiar wiith "gnu
shred" here ?
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2608 [17:25:54] <jhutchins> !downgrade
2609 [17:25:54] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
2610 [17:26:42] <jhutchins> JamesB: It is going to be more
difficult to downgrade something as complex as samba than to find
and fix the actual problem.
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2612 [17:26:57] <jhutchins> JamesB: I assume you do not havea
pre-upgrade backup?
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2614 [17:28:47] <rmasoumvand> !test
2615 [17:28:47] <dpkg> Test failed.
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2617 [17:29:26] <Daiwo> hmm
2618 [17:29:32] <Daiwo> guess i'll just ask ;p
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2620 [17:29:47] <JamesB> Yup
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2622 [17:29:52] <JamesB> I reverted
2623 [17:29:54] <JamesB> and it works again
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2625 [17:30:05] <JamesB> to deb8u2 from deb8u4.
2626 [17:30:27] <Daiwo> trying to figure out what is be an
appropriate (sure bet) amount of overwrite (n) passes (iterations)
to reach a reasonable unrecoverable assumption.. (using gnu shred)
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2628 [17:30:42] <Daiwo> cmd I use currently is $ find
<PathToTargetParent'sPath> -depth -type f -exec shred -f
-v -n 3 -z {} \;
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2631 [17:31:16] <JamesB> For now I'll just disable unattended
upgrades and file a bug.
2632 [17:31:29] <Chrismeister> Any suggestions for a really fast
file copying protocol to use between two IP-adresses?
2633 [17:31:31] <Daiwo> which does pretty nifty job ... but having
not much knowledge nor background on data erasal/sanitization , I
though asking expert first
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2635 [17:32:24] <Papillon> iscsi? http? rsync?
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2651 [17:38:11] <somiaj> JamesB: you can also put the package on
hold so you can keep your other upgrades going
2652 [17:38:43] <Guest50683> Hello how to display the ulimit value
for a given process ?
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2657 [17:40:43] <somiaj> Guest50683: I think it is located under
/proc/pid
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2663 [17:42:31] <JamesB> OK, I've reported the bug.
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2665 [17:43:04] <petn-randall> JamesB: Putting the package on hold
should be enough.
2666 [17:43:45] <Guest50683> somiaj, cool, thank you
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2668 [17:44:23] <Guest50683> process='MyProcess' ; cat
/proc/$(ps aux |grep $process |grep -v grep |cut -c 1-100 |awk
'{print $2}')/limits |grep 'Max open files'
2669 [17:44:25] <somiaj> Guest50683: /proc/pid/limits
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2671 [17:44:38] <somiaj> Guest50683: oh you found it. I was
looking it up
2672 [17:44:55] <Guest50683> somiaj, :) thank you
2673 [17:45:11] <somiaj> systemd seems to do its own thing here,
so limits.conf isn't always allowed. I had a service I had to
increase the limit and I did it in its unit file in the end
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2703 [18:02:17] <hiya> I am having a strange issue with my Dell
Inspiron 3542 laptop, when I plug in the power to charge the battery
when laptop is on, performance goes sluggish and pointer freezes and
everything tends to hang.. What to do?
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2716 [18:05:37] <bamb> hi im trynna install tightvncserver on
debian 8.7
2717 [18:05:45] <bamb> but it says it canot locate the package
2718 [18:05:48] <bamb> how can i install it?
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2723 [18:06:57] <decci> Hello
2724 [18:07:21] <mefistofeles> bamb: did you run apt-get update?
2725 [18:07:25] <decci> I am trying to use ISO Master to include
megaraid_sas driver into wheezy
2726 [18:07:53] <decci> I was watching a video
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2727 [18:08:14] <decci> But in my case its RAID controller driver,
where shall I copy it to
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2729 [18:08:39] <bamb> yep
2730 [18:09:06] <bamb> mefistofeles: i am trying "apt-get
install tightvncserver"
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2732 [18:09:51] <unborn> decci: that is very well outdated links..
been using isomaster in 2002...
2733 [18:10:02] <mefistofeles> bamb: and what's the exact
complete output? use paste.debian.net to paste long text
2734 [18:10:24] <decci> unborn: but I believe it would help me
insert right driver easily
2735 [18:10:32] <bamb> mefistofeles:
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2736 [18:10:39] <decci> unborn: any idea under what directory wll
megaraid_sas go
2737 [18:11:06] <decci> unborn: usually I see it under
/lib/modules/<kernel version> kernel/scsi/
2738 [18:11:21] <unborn> decci: I do not use it any more as it is
well outdated.. did you try to use anything else - yet?
2739 [18:11:23] <decci> unborn: But while I mount ISO I dont see
any directory
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2741 [18:11:31] <mefistofeles> bamb: and what apt-cache search
tightvncserver says?
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2743 [18:11:34] <rockyiii> hi all
2744 [18:11:35] <decci> unborn: I believe its just mounting the
ISP
2745 [18:11:37] <decci> ISO
2746 [18:11:56] <bamb> mefistofeles: nothing
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2749 [18:12:19] <decci> unborn: boot..css..dists..
2750 [18:12:33] <mefistofeles> bamb: paste the contents of
/etc/apt/sources.list please
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2754 [18:13:21] <bamb>
replaced-url
2755 [18:13:26] <rockyiii> one cuestion. Does anyone know if
Firefox 52 will support alsa in debian?
2756 [18:13:27] <bamb> ohh im guessing that could be the
problem...
2757 [18:13:41] <mefistofeles> bamb: oh, your sources.list is
wrong
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2762 [18:14:06] <mefistofeles> you are missing the core/main
repos, you only have the security ones available
2763 [18:14:19] <bamb> what should i add?
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2765 [18:14:24] <decci> bamb:
replaced-url
2766 [18:14:30] <mefistofeles> decci: no
2767 [18:14:34] <petn-randall> rockyiii: They dropped support
because some ALSA drivers only support one input stream and that
caused a lot of bug reports from people not realizing this.
2768 [18:14:37] <mefistofeles> he needs to fix his sources.list
2769 [18:14:49] <unborn> decci: ;e
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2771 [18:15:04] <mefistofeles> bamb:
replaced-url
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2773 [18:15:24] <Voldenet> bamb: why not just change your
sources.list to default one
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2776 [18:15:48] <mefistofeles> Voldenet: I believe that's not
an option,he probably changed/overwrote the default one, not sure
2777 [18:15:53] <david7> hi
2778 [18:15:55] <unborn> perhaps you use different way to create
your own iso.. ? that isomaster is I'll adviced
2779 [18:16:05] <unborn> *ill adviced
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2782 [18:16:14] <Voldenet> mefistofeles: he installed from a
cd/dvd I think
2783 [18:16:20] <mefistofeles> bamb: the example they put on the
wiki I linked should be enough
2784 [18:16:22] <mefistofeles> Voldenet: yes
2785 [18:16:23] <decci> unborn: All I need to know is where shall
I add that megaraid_sas .DEB package
2786 [18:16:24] <Voldenet> bamb: here's the 'default
one' for jessie
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2789 [18:16:46] <unborn> Voldenet: sure..
2790 [18:16:48] <decci> unborn: I got the right driver in the form
of megaraid_sas-06.812.07.00-1_Debian7.0.amd64.deb
2791 [18:16:54] <unborn> v, isomaster
2792 [18:17:00] <mefistofeles> uh, upgrading server from debian 7
to 8 :P
2793 [18:17:04] <mefistofeles> wish me luck
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2797 [18:17:32] <jhutchins> ,v minetest
2798 [18:17:33] <judd> Package: minetest on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.3.1+dfsg-4; jessie: 0.4.10+repack-1; jessie-backports:
0.4.15+repack-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.4.15+repack2-1; stretch:
0.4.15+repack2-1
2799 [18:17:42] <jhutchins> mefistofeles: Backup?
2800 [18:17:45] <unborn> mefistofeles: you should be fine.. as
long as no apache configs are involved ;)
2801 [18:17:50] <unborn> go ahead!
2802 [18:17:52] <mefistofeles> jhutchins: yes, daily backup here
2803 [18:18:00] <david7> who is the admin here?
2804 [18:18:01] <jhutchins> xlnt
2805 [18:18:01] <mefistofeles> unborn: lots of apache configs
involved
2806 [18:18:03] <mefistofeles> LOTS
2807 [18:18:21] <decci> Shall i put it under the firmware
directory and try creating ISO
2808 [18:18:22] <jhutchins> mefistofeles: Oh, fun, you get to do
2.2 to 2.4, right?
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2810 [18:18:43] <jelly> david7: we have a number of ops, do you
have an issue?
2811 [18:18:49] <unborn> well...try to read before update
mefistofeles .. apache 2.2 !=2.4
2812 [18:18:53] <mefistofeles> jhutchins: I have to check that,
yes
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2814 [18:19:06] <mefistofeles> unborn: ok
2815 [18:19:11] <david7> yes
2816 [18:19:51] <jhutchins> mefistofeles: The big thing is all the
allow, deny statements need to be updated.
2817 [18:19:51] <unborn> mefistofeles: perhaps do update in your
virtual machine first?
2818 [18:19:57] <mefistofeles>
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2820 [18:20:07] <mefistofeles> unborn: yes, this is a container
for testing purposes
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2822 [18:20:33] <jelly> david7: state it please. If you feel
uncomfortable doing it in public, /msg me, join #debian-ops and do
it there
2823 [18:21:00] <jelly> OR* join #debian-ops
2824 [18:21:03] <decci> I added it to firmware folder and now
creating the ISO. Lets see if it goes well
2825 [18:21:09] <david7> ok thx
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2831 [18:22:22] <unborn> mefistofeles: - well never been using
containers for server it sefl as they have its own security issues -
you can do your own research about it.. but if you do update - test
it first in your virtual machine or read about changes first.. -
perhaps you should be fine..
2832 [18:23:12] <mefistofeles> unborn: yeah, we've been using
LXC for our virtual servers, no issues so far
2833 [18:23:18] <mefistofeles> unborn: thanks for the tip
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2835 [18:23:53] <unborn> mefistofeles: ain't said that you
will have a problem.. all I said is to test it before deployment ;)
2836 [18:24:10] <mefistofeles> sure
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2849 [18:25:58] <unborn> mefistofeles: you know what to edit plus
how to test it.. once satisfied - just deploy it on your live
server...
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2858 [18:28:15] <jelly> dpkg, tell david7 about ask
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2897 [18:46:25] <Chrismeister> I try to send an image over FTP
with bash. I tried this:
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2898 [18:46:25] <Chrismeister> This works bad since I think the
session is closed before my whole image is transferred. Do anyone
have an idea how to fix this?
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2901 [18:46:55] <petn-randall> !ftp must die
2902 [18:46:55] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE!
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2906 [18:47:59] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: That is because
command and data streams are two different things in FTP. So when
your put command returns, the file isn't finished uploading.
2907 [18:48:05] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: Solution is not to
use FTP.
2908 [18:48:20] <rmasoumvand> use rsync
2909 [18:48:27] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: Use scp or many other
safer alternatives.
2910 [18:49:09] <Chrismeister> petn-randall: Just got it to work
by writing binary before the put statement. Thanks for the help
anyways!
2911 [18:49:13] <DoberMann_> Chrismeister: you should look at
ncftp and its ncftpget ncftpput
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2913 [18:49:43] <`Kevin> people still use ftp? :(
2914 [18:50:06] <DoberMann_> yep, and FTP is easier than http for
upload ;p
2915 [18:50:14] <rmasoumvand> whats wrong with ftp?
2916 [18:50:16] <DoberMann_> scp rules ofc ;)
2917 [18:50:17] <Iridos> yes… and hair-dos you can hide a
bee-hive in \o/
2918 [18:50:27] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: I'm surprised
that fixed it for you. Are you sure it's not just a timing
issue?
2919 [18:50:43] <JamesB> FTP works fine on a LAN
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2922 [18:51:02] <napping> Is it at all reasonable to take my
mbr-formatted system disk and try to move it to a new UEFI computer
without reinstalling Debian?
2923 [18:51:08] <petn-randall> See dpkg's message for why ftp
needs to die.
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2926 [18:51:18] <JamesB> I kind of wish there was something like
SSHD but more like Nginx, namely, I'm not by default exposing
my whole system when I just want to copy a file
2927 [18:51:46] <`Kevin> JamesB: and having linux on the LAN there
is no need for a ftp daemon to run so...
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2929 [18:52:09] <`Kevin> anyhow I see a flameware coming <-
goes away
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2931 [18:52:19] <jelly> JamesB: you can configure openssh server
to only allow sftp (for certain users)
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2934 [18:53:24] <jelly> scp is kind of crap and relies on shell
features, sftp is fine and single purpose
2935 [18:54:39] <DoberMann_>
replaced-url
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2938 [18:55:43] <jelly> DoberMann_: all the scp-only workaround
shells have had security holes in the past
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2940 [18:56:10] <jelly> scponly, rssh, etc
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2942 [18:56:45] <rmasoumvand> for ftp i use vsftpd, its great
2943 [18:57:30] <jelly> david7: ask here.
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2949 [18:59:34] <Chrismeister> petn-randall: No, I am pretty sure.
No issues so far! :)
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2954 [19:01:37] <jhutchins> jelly: OpenSSH now has an internal
mechanism. It's been a couple of years since I set it up, but
it overcomes the holes in the fake shells.
2955 [19:01:49] <jhutchins> jelly: There are also options to
restrict filesystem access.
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2963 [19:06:00] <jelly> jhutchins: yeah, no thanks, scp still has
problems with symlinks and needs shell escaping
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2967 [19:07:08] <jelly> sftp is a lot saner, use it.
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2975 [19:08:31] <rafalcpp> isn't sftp using that braindead
FTP protocol
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2977 [19:09:02] <teraflops> rafalcpp: not at all
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2981 [19:09:35] <rafalcpp> client "sftp" can go over
ssh?
2982 [19:09:37] <Poster> you might be thinking of FTPS, which is
entirely different than SFTP
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2984 [19:09:45] <Poster> sftp is a subsystem of SSH
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3022 [19:24:39] <jelly> rafalcpp: that's how it always goes
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3024 [19:25:57] <prppedro> #c4ll
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3026 [19:26:37] <jelly> prppedro: are you a bot?
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3028 [19:27:02] <prppedro> jelly, nope... It was just an keyboard
incident. hahaha
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3030 [19:27:14] <prppedro> a*
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3033 [19:27:42] <rafalcpp> yes, damn cats
3034 [19:27:45] <jelly> phew
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3038 [19:28:07] <rafalcpp> although... that is a likelly
auto-reply from a bot who sees string "bot"
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3040 [19:28:52] <prppedro> rafalcpp, guess you're right (?)
3041 [19:28:52] <jelly> and it automatically makes a typo and
corrects it, to look more ahumany
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3045 [19:29:53] <Ooze> Hello. I just ran 'find . -type f
-exec sed -i 's/http/https/g' {} +' a directory
higher than I meant to...
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3047 [19:30:12] <Ooze> Is there a log file I can check to see the
files that were updated?
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3051 [19:30:53] <jelly> Ooze: nope. Do you have backups?
3052 [19:31:04] <rafalcpp> prppedro: if minority of people in a
population are the really smart ones, if we create a system in which
the majority of voters decides about future of nation, will such
decission be in the effect made by the stupid or smart part?
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3054 [19:31:39] <jelly> Ooze: what you can do is use find to find
files updated in last 5 minutes or so, find . -mmin -5
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3056 [19:32:23] <rafalcpp> Ooze: make a backup before trying to
fix it
3057 [19:32:42] <jelly> um, it's too late now
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3059 [19:33:03] <rafalcpp> jelly: still it can get even worse by
botched fixing, e.g.by running reverse replace
3060 [19:33:13] <jelly> making a backup to redo a mistake sounds
silly
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3066 [19:33:37] <rafalcpp> no, it's just to not make
situation even worse :)
3067 [19:34:19] <Ooze> Yeah, I was about to do that but held off
3068 [19:34:26] <Ooze> jelly: this was in my backups dir :)
3069 [19:34:37] <Ooze> I noticed it was hanging longer than it
should
3070 [19:34:42] <jelly> you done goofed up
3071 [19:34:47] <Ooze> I don't think much damage could be
done by it, but very unfortnuate
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3073 [19:34:55] <Ooze> was the root of my website dir
3074 [19:34:57] <prppedro> rafalcpp, well, if they vote for
someone among smart people to make the decision...
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3076 [19:35:06] <rafalcpp> prppedro: lol
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3078 [19:35:33] <rafalcpp> jelly: yeah he's a typical human
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3080 [19:35:49] <prppedro> rafalcpp... hahaha... Just
kiddin'... There's no way for a collective decision to be
much wise...
3081 [19:36:04] <jelly> Ooze: next time, don't keep backups
on the some mountpoint?
3082 [19:36:11] <jelly> or same system
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3084 [19:36:17] <Ooze> Was on my NAS
3085 [19:36:26] <rafalcpp> Ooze: try pulling out powercord, but in
like 5 second after mistake
3086 [19:36:31] <rafalcpp> so maybe next time
3087 [19:36:54] <Ooze> ok
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3089 [19:37:18] <jelly> but yeah, I also haven't made an
offsite backup in a long while
3090 [19:37:19] <Ooze> ooh I could do a find for http and https
3091 [19:37:21] <prppedro> oh, looks like university class is
requiring my full attention, now
3092 [19:37:22] <rafalcpp> it gives a chance to have no damage if
you noticed it in few seconds. but also to lose this or even other
files due to entire FS damage. depends
3093 [19:37:23] <Ooze> and just check up on things
3094 [19:37:28] <prppedro> may be it's more human than I ever
liked
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3096 [19:37:47] <prppedro> see ya, humanoid fellows
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3098 [19:37:59] <rafalcpp> prppedro: bye o/
3099 [19:38:03] <prppedro> \o
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3101 [19:38:08] <Ooze> Will 'find . -R -type f -exec grep
http*' do what I'm looking for?
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3104 [19:38:34] <jelly> Ooze: what's wrong finding files
recently changed?
3105 [19:38:36] <rafalcpp> Ooze: or simply grep -r
'http' * ?
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3108 [19:38:42] <`Kevin> x2 @ jelly
3109 [19:38:52] <Ooze> jelly: yeah that would actually be
preferred...
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3111 [19:39:01] <`Kevin> use -mmin -20 or something similar
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3113 [19:39:31] <rafalcpp> Ooze: curious, it was just some data? I
wonder why not in some git
3114 [19:39:36] <jelly> `Kevin: maybe he'll read it the third
time it's said
3115 [19:39:39] <rafalcpp> if it's work, then use versioning
sys :)
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3118 [19:39:42] <`Kevin> jelly: :(
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3121 [19:40:29] <Ooze> no mostly web pages and pix
3122 [19:40:42] <missmbob> seriously using git for websites is a
great idea. even for personal use
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3126 [19:41:26] <rafalcpp> yes
3127 [19:41:52] <rafalcpp> you mean even for amator use? of course
professionals keep projects in git or other vcs
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3134 [19:45:09] <jelly> rafalcpp: git (and git-annex) can be used
as a poor man's versioned filesystem, you can put anything in
not just source code
3135 [19:45:22] <Ooze> I got my listing... I don't understand
how non-text files were modified by that command
3136 [19:45:30] <jelly> how? easily.
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3140 [19:46:18] <jelly> sed doesn't care what's inside
as long as it looks a bit like a something with occasional
line-endings
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3142 [19:46:27] <init7> !help
3143 [19:47:08] <Ooze> Well, any suggestions as to how to
remediate this list?
replaced-url
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3145 [19:47:34] <Ooze> The command was stupid as it swapped
existing https files with httpss
3146 [19:47:39] <Ooze> Sooooooooooooo
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3148 [19:47:52] <Ooze> :s/files/strings
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3154 [19:48:28] <jelly> Ooze: not easily. some can be
re-downloaded, of if this is backups, you have other copies to
compare from
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3156 [19:49:08] <Ooze> uggggh
3157 [19:49:17] <Ooze> broke a bunch of my images
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3159 [19:50:15] <rafalcpp> Ooze: try google image search with
site:pornhub.com
3160 [19:50:18] <rafalcpp> worked for me
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3162 [19:50:38] <jelly> Ooze: as rafalcpp said, make an additional
backup of current state, THEN play with s/https/http/g on the copy,
and see if your images get unbroken
3163 [19:50:49] <babilen> rafalcpp: That's not really
appropriate
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3166 [19:51:16] <rafalcpp> babilen: are you from the purists
police?
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3168 [19:51:31] <rafalcpp> one could write a small program to try
various combinations of http/https in each file, Ooze
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3170 [19:51:49] <jelly> Ooze:
"myWebsite/u/Books/O'Reilly Ultimate
Collection/sedhyCBR9" seems to be the temporary file sed has
been last working on
3171 [19:51:53] <rafalcpp> if files now has N occurances of
"https" then there are 2^n ways to fix it
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3173 [19:52:07] <ksk> If I setup a timer in systemd, can it handle
locking for me? Like, only one copy should run? thanks!
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3176 [19:52:51] <Ooze> hmmm
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3178 [19:53:27] <jelly> rafalcpp: they did say s/http/https/g made
all the https into httpss now, so it might be reversible (assuming
sed doesn't corrupt other pieces of data, eg. if it encounters
a \0 byte)
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3181 [19:54:31] <rafalcpp> jelly: oh right. because luckilly ALL
http were replaced, a reverse would work likely
3182 [19:55:01] <babilen> rafalcpp: I have no idea what the purist
police is, but a technical support channel is not the right place
nor do I think if helps Ooze in resolving the issue at hand
3183 [19:55:01] <Ooze> Well, but perhaps not all were replaced as
I didn't allow it to run to completion
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3186 [19:55:44] <jelly> "all" the files from -mmin find
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3188 [19:55:50] <rafalcpp> Ooze: but it worked file by file, so
probably all that are replaced are fully replaced - perhaps except
last one
3189 [19:55:51] <Ooze> Ah
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3191 [19:56:21] <jelly> Ooze: sed uses a temporary file. Either it
did the whole file and replaced it atomically, or it didn't
change it at all
3192 [19:56:21] <Ooze> so just swap httpss with http?
3193 [19:56:29] <jelly> fuck no?
3194 [19:57:06] <jelly> replace all https with http, see how sane
the result looks.
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3196 [19:57:12] <rafalcpp> Ooze: *after* doing a backup now, run a
reverse replace, that is s/https/http/g
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3203 [19:57:43] <babilen> Assuming "https" didn't
occur in the files beforehand
3204 [19:57:47] <rafalcpp> and run it only on files found by that
find -mmin
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3208 [19:58:07] <jelly> babilen: those are now httpss
3209 [19:58:36] <babilen> Ah, true .. happy times :)
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3211 [19:59:04] <jelly> maybe. I'm not sure sed is
binary-file safe
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3213 [19:59:19] <babilen> I've never used it on binaries tbh
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3225 [20:01:00] <Ooze> export the finds to a file and execute on
that, or is there a better way of going about this?
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3227 [20:01:43] <rafalcpp> Ooze: are the damaged files in one
directory, or in some complicated tree
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3229 [20:02:02] <Ooze> Mildly complicated tree
3230 [20:02:07] <rafalcpp> if not a simple dir, then some find
.... -exec like you did first time, but with proper --mmin added
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3232 [20:02:21] <rafalcpp> keep updating that --mmin as time
passes
3233 [20:02:24] <Ooze> Right
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3235 [20:02:39] <jelly> the simplest thing to do is make a copy of
the whole tree, then work on only the relevant files
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3237 [20:03:01] <Ooze> There's another massive mountpoint in
this tree, so I don't want to copy all of that
3238 [20:03:25] <rafalcpp> yeap then find
3239 [20:03:38] <rafalcpp> make sure first you did the backup
properly, across filesystem and all
3240 [20:04:03] <jelly> Ooze: you can tell rsync, cp, tar and find
to avoid following mountpoints
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3243 [20:04:26] <jelly> to avoid entering a different mountpoint
3244 [20:04:28] <rafalcpp> Ooze: first carefully verify backup,
then proceed
3245 [20:04:31] <Ooze> Yeah, I copied the small files I care about
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3247 [20:05:15] <jelly> (usually something like --one-file-system
or -x or -xdev or... rtfm)
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3250 [20:06:56] <jelly> if you're doing actions on lots of
files, you probably want to learn about such an option anyway
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3257 [20:07:36] <Ooze> I believe I've used that once before
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3264 [20:08:52] <Ooze> find myWebsite/ -type f -mmin -60 -exec sed
-i 's/https/http/g' {} +
3265 [20:08:54] <Ooze> Ja?
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3270 [20:09:47] <Ooze> Need to confirm the time is good, but I
think that's good
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3272 [20:10:51] <rafalcpp> Ooze: jawohl ;
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3274 [20:11:37] <Ooze> So that should fix httpss, leaving newly
changed http to https alone
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3278 [20:11:54] <Ooze> Still may not accomplish my original goal,
but I did that re-running in the subdir I originally intended
3279 [20:12:02] <Ooze> I have no idea what that means rafalcpp
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3282 [20:12:16] <Ooze> Ah
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3284 [20:13:43] <jelly> Ooze: no, that would ideally revert
everything to original state
3285 [20:13:49] <rafalcpp> Ooze: that command looks right. and it
will fix everything
3286 [20:14:00] <Ooze> I translated rafalcpp ;)
3287 [20:14:01] <jelly> if it worked, that is
3288 [20:14:08] <Ooze> Gotcha jelly, running now
3289 [20:14:11] <rafalcpp> well maybe not mess behind obama, but
everything with that files
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3293 [20:14:48] <tw> but just think, someone out there is trying
to write a regex for that.
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3299 [20:16:34] <rafalcpp> tak
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3301 [20:17:00] <rafalcpp> oh. thanks, missing keep-windows-focus
default option in my WM
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3306 [20:19:16] <Ooze> I got a Permission Denied on that temp
file, but aside from that...
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3315 [20:21:53] <Ooze> I think I'm back on solid ground
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3332 [20:30:04] <rafalcpp> Ooze: all worked?
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3346 [20:35:07] <legionmoss> hi
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3354 [20:38:33] <anekant> what's the best text browser for
8.0 minimal, is there a particular lynx package recommended?
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3363 [20:42:36] <jelly> anekant: also try elinks or links2 or w3m
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3365 [20:43:37] <jelly> Ooze: files inside that git repo can
probably be verified using some git fsck thingy
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3391 [20:54:37] <r7st> hello, i am using debootstrap and would
like to use ssh to access a user inside. how would i do this?
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3394 [20:56:21] <debian2017> can debian with cinnamon be as user
friendly as Mint cinnamon?
3395 [20:56:27] <johnkeates> no
3396 [20:56:32] <jelly> try it and see?
3397 [20:56:32] <nkuttler> r7st: why not chroot?
3398 [20:56:34] <johnkeates> go to #mint
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3400 [20:56:50] <debian2017> I like debian for its stability
3401 [20:56:52] <teraflops> r7st: use tmux or ssh before chrooting
3402 [20:56:59] <johnkeates> i like it for sanity
3403 [20:57:15] <jelly> a coworker uses cinnamon on jessie, it
appears to be working for them
3404 [20:57:17] <teraflops> tmux/screen ^
3405 [20:57:24] <debian2017> sanity?
3406 [20:57:38] <debian2017> which is more sane? debian or mint?
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3408 [20:58:02] <teclo-> well Debian is Debian and Mint is Mint
3409 [20:58:10] <r7st> basically i am running a server where many
users must have access to eachothers processes through screen
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3411 [20:58:17] <r7st> and i want to secure it as well as i can
3412 [20:58:19] <johnkeates> and chocolate is chocolate
3413 [20:58:35] <johnkeates> imagine eating chocolate mints while
using debian
3414 [20:58:41] <debian2017> and if as a newbie, I want to use
debian, which DE shall I use? which is most well integrated with
debian?
3415 [20:58:44] <r7st> figured a smaller environment with
debootstrap would be easier to manage, but i am not sure if this is
the best way to do it. i have tried jails as well
3416 [20:58:46] <johnkeates> gnome3
3417 [20:58:49] <jelly> johnkeates: keep it on-topic in here
please
3418 [20:58:56] <somiaj> debian2017: they have their differences,
we here suggest Debian. It has a clear policy, and is a well tested
frozen system with security support. Though this does mean it may
lack the newest and greatest.
3419 [20:59:11] <johnkeates> jelly: you're just jelly about
cinnamon and mint ;-)
3420 [20:59:18] <r7st> nkuttler: i need other users to ssh into
the environment without accessing the host
3421 [20:59:21] <johnkeates> debian2017: by default it's
gnome-shell
3422 [20:59:27] <r7st> can i just change the port and have that
work?
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3425 [20:59:45] <somiaj> debian2017: you have your choice, mint
will work just fine. Some things due to policy (such as non-free
firmware) may make things require different (or more) configuration
than mint.
3426 [20:59:47] <johnkeates> debian2017: but since you're
free to choose whatever you like and others are free to
'integrate' whatever they like it doesn't really
matter
3427 [20:59:49] <debian2017> ok. I was asking about the DE. which
DE is most beginner friendly?
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3429 [21:00:02] <johnkeates> it's also not a single
"Operating System", it's the DE that's what you
are seeing
3430 [21:00:02] <somiaj> debian2017: arg I mean cinnimon will work
just fine. There is also gnome, kde, xfce, lxde and mate to choose
from.
3431 [21:00:09] <Voldenet> debian2017: probably gnome or kde
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3433 [21:00:17] <johnkeates> most people won't care about
what it's running on
3434 [21:00:22] <somiaj> debian2017: if you like cinimon, I'd
go with that.
3435 [21:00:26] <nkuttler> r7st: you can configure ssh to chroot
users into a dir, not sure though how exactly that behaves if you
have a full os there..
3436 [21:00:28] <debian2017> ok
3437 [21:00:35] <johnkeates> with Debian, by default, you get
Gnome3 on Debian userland on Linux kernel
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3439 [21:00:49] <johnkeates> but you can get KDE on Debian
userland and freebsd kernel just as well
3440 [21:00:53] <johnkeates> both are debian
3441 [21:00:57] <debian2017> tried several distros. some debian
stable based distro as well.
3442 [21:00:58] <Voldenet> well cinnamon is pretty much fork of
gnome
3443 [21:01:00] <johnkeates> but they are definitely not the same
3444 [21:01:02] <r7st> nkuttler: debootstrap is working now, i a a
fool and forgot to restart ssh
3445 [21:01:04] <r7st> d
3446 [21:01:07] <debian2017> found them to be somewhat unstable.
3447 [21:01:25] <debian2017> they freeze randomly
3448 [21:01:34] <johnkeates> most of them are unstable
3449 [21:01:39] <Voldenet> eh?
3450 [21:01:44] <johnkeates> you some have LTS versions, those are
good
3451 [21:01:54] <johnkeates> some have enterprise versions, those
are sometimes good too
3452 [21:02:00] <debian2017> LTS? what are they?
3453 [21:02:00] <Voldenet> Tbh. I've given up on using linux
desktops after a few years of constant xorg fights
3454 [21:02:07] <johnkeates> LTS = long term support
3455 [21:02:28] <debian2017> LTS? which are they?
3456 [21:02:30] <johnkeates> LTS = long term support
3457 [21:02:38] <Voldenet> oh, deja vu
3458 [21:04:13] <tw> rhel, ubuntu, suse... there are probably a
number of others that have similar-length support periods for major
releases on at least some packages.
3459 [21:04:14] <Voldenet> the problem is that companies making
gpus are either not very friendly or just stingy towards anything
xorg-based...
3460 [21:04:21] <Voldenet> ...or the problem is in xorg
3461 [21:04:57] <Voldenet> so if you're getting some random
gpu freezes and hangs, it's probably a driver problem (not too
surprising)
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3465 [21:06:50] <debian2017> ok
3466 [21:07:25] <Voldenet> however, it might be just
misconfiguration
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3469 [21:08:00] <debian2017> ok. I will try a distro with LTS.
3470 [21:08:11] <Voldenet> Well then, good luck ;)
3471 [21:08:16] <debian2017> thanks a lot for your suggestions.
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3473 [21:08:33] <debian2017> maybe debian can solve that problem
3474 [21:08:42] <tw> debian support duration is pretty long.
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3476 [21:09:10] <UUSSEERR> I need a grownup to point me in the
right direction
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3479 [21:10:04] <UUSSEERR> I have installed a second wifi card in
my pci express slot but debian NO SEE IT
3480 [21:10:19] <jhutchins> RHEL is ~10 yrs.
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3483 [21:10:58] <jhutchins> UUSSEERR: ifconfig -a? lspci? lshw?
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3485 [21:11:13] <jhutchins> UUSSEERR: Or are you just looking in
Network Manager?
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3488 [21:11:39] <UUSSEERR> I have looked with lspci I do not have
lshw installed
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3492 [21:12:02] <UUSSEERR> lspci only sees my original card
3493 [21:12:02] <jhutchins> debian2017: If you continue to have
problems with Debian (stable) you can pursue the specific problem
and what's causing it.
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3495 [21:12:32] <phogg> UUSSEERR: tail -f /var/log/kern.log, plug
and unplug. Does it react?
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3497 [21:12:43] <Voldenet> UUSSEERR: is it a laptop?
3498 [21:12:50] <UUSSEERR> hotplug pci card?
3499 [21:12:57] <UUSSEERR> yes it is a laptop
3500 [21:13:04] <Voldenet> Oh, I hope it's not the case
3501 [21:13:10] <jhutchins> UUSSEERR: does lspci see anything
that's unidentified.
3502 [21:13:14] <Voldenet> but some laptops don't accept some
wifi cards :D
3503 [21:13:15] <jhutchins> ?
3504 [21:13:34] <UUSSEERR> It is the same card as original
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3506 [21:14:06] <somiaj> hotplug pci card in a laptop? I
don't think pci is nesicarally the bus those will use, trying
to recall their names.
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3508 [21:14:17] <jhutchins> It's most likely a hardware
problem then.
3509 [21:14:44] <jhutchins> UUSSEERR: If the driver sees the other
card, it should see the new one too.
3510 [21:14:56] <UUSSEERR> there are no unidentified cards
3511 [21:15:00] <Voldenet> Maybe, check if you don't have
some bios/firmware settings for this
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3513 [21:15:43] <jhutchins> UUSSEERR: Either the BIOS is disabling
it, or that card can't have two instances, or the new card is
bad. I would try re-seating it.
3514 [21:15:45] <debian2017> ok. I'll check
3515 [21:15:58] <Voldenet> you could check if there's
anything 'critical' in dmesg, but that's a long shot
3516 [21:16:05] <debian2017> I will be back later
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3518 [21:16:13] <jhutchins> debian2017: Good luck.
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3520 [21:16:59] <tw> I'm going to guess wildly that it
isn't exactly the same PCI device ID that the bios is expecting
in the whitelist.
3521 [21:17:09] <tw> unless it's actually a hw problem.
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3523 [21:17:36] <jhutchins> tw: lspci would show an unidentified
ID in that case.
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3525 [21:17:52] <tw> Mine just disables the port.
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3527 [21:18:06] <Voldenet> all up to firmware
3528 [21:18:06] <missmbob> i'd expect it to disable
3529 [21:18:19] <Voldenet> there's more than one way to do it
:P
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3531 [21:18:36] <UUSSEERR> I will reset the card and doublecheck
bios standby
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3535 [21:19:02] <UUSSEERR> dmesg clean as usual btw
3536 [21:19:26] <Voldenet> as expected
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3553 [21:26:35] <jhutchins> The chances of an aftermarket laptop
PCI card being bad are pretty high.
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3569 [21:33:33] <UUSSEERR> reset card while powered down and
checked bios.no dive
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3571 [21:33:47] <UUSSEERR> dice*
3572 [21:34:03] <UUSSEERR> card isn't recognized
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3583 [21:36:34] <UUSSEERR> installed lshw and it doesn't see
it either
3584 [21:36:52] <johnkeates> it's probably burnt
3585 [21:36:57] <johnkeates> bury it with dignity
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3587 [21:37:31] <UUSSEERR> nooooooooooo!!!! It was a gift!
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3589 [21:37:49] <tomreyn> bury it with double dignity then
3590 [21:38:09] <UUSSEERR> should
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3592 [21:38:19] <tw> Return it, say it didn't work.
3593 [21:38:29] <UUSSEERR> should i try switching the cards slots
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3595 [21:38:55] <tw> is this not a laptop? There are other card
slots it fits in?
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3599 [21:40:44] <UUSSEERR> maybe it is the whitelist im using a
pci express slot for the new card and the original card is still
installed
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3601 [21:41:25] <UUSSEERR> they are the same model but idk
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3627 [21:52:22] <UUSSEERR> ok so is there a possibility that it is
a grouping issue?
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3631 [21:54:40] <linuxthefish> hey, does anyone know where vinagre
stores saved passwords? even after removing it with --purge and
deleting everything with vinagre in the name it still remembers the
password!
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3633 [21:54:50] <linuxthefish> or is there like a global password
database on linux?
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3637 [21:56:06] <UUSSEERR> is it in shadow or handled by another
password password manager?
3638 [21:56:08] <Papillon> typically operating systems have
what's called a "keyring"
3639 [21:56:16] <Papillon> it might be stored there
3640 [21:56:24] <UUSSEERR> thank you yes "keyring"
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3643 [21:57:17] <UUSSEERR> I have done some research and it seems
people have had grouping issues with gpu's on pcie
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3648 [21:58:20] <UUSSEERR> should I try to switch the cards slots?
3649 [21:58:26] <TomTomTo1> It's using the gnome keyring. you
can manage it using seahorse.
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3658 [22:01:46] <UUSSEERR> will hotplugging fry it?
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3661 [22:03:13] <linuxthefish> ah thanks so much TomTomTo1!
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3664 [22:04:17] <linuxthefish> i did a search for "apt-cache
search keyring" and vinagre was listed in there even though it
doesn't have the word keyring in the package description O.o
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3667 [22:04:30] <linuxthefish> how did you find out? it's not
in the help manual either!
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3673 [22:05:17] <jelly> UUSSEERR: laptops typically do not have
pci express in that format exposed. Are you talking about an
ExpressCard slot?
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3676 [22:06:11] <TomTomTo1> linuxthefish: it's in the long
package description. apt-cache show vinagre
3677 [22:06:46] <UUSSEERR> no I have an expresscard slot a
minicard slot (where the original card lives) and a full size slot
where I hadto use a halfmini to full size bracket
3678 [22:07:18] <jelly> UUSSEERR, show a picture of those slots.
3679 [22:07:31] <linuxthefish> ah i'm not used to apt, thanks
so much once again :D
3680 [22:08:00] <UUSSEERR> lenovo t430s I do not have photo
implements
3681 [22:08:06] <jelly> I have no idea what you're talking
about, is it ExpressCard, or Mini PCIe or what
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3684 [22:08:16] <linuxthefish> pcmcia is another laptop card slot
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3686 [22:08:58] <`Kevin> this?
replaced-url
3687 [22:09:04] <jelly> UUSSEERR, here's a hint: if you had
to unscrew something to get access to it, it's probably not
hotpluggable
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3690 [22:09:27] <rgb-one> yo
3691 [22:09:36] <rgb-one> ah, wrong place
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3693 [22:09:40] <jelly> UUSSEERR, and here's another hint:
Lenovo are bastards and have BIOS whitelists of hardware that will
work in Mini PCIe slots.
3694 [22:10:09] <jelly> UUSSEERR, you put it anything else, it
does not work
3695 [22:11:01] <Papillon> tbf they inherited those from big blue
iirc
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3697 [22:11:21] <jelly> UUSSEERR, can you point out the slot(s)
you're talking about in the hardware maintenance manual for
your model?
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3700 [22:11:41] <UUSSEERR> I have an external expresscard slot I
have a mini pcie slot with the original nic in the bay with the ram
and full size pcie slot with a mini bracket. It is similar to the
430 but smaller. I chose the same model number to avoid whitelist.
3701 [22:11:51] <`Kevin> i think its -> (1) Express Card 34mm
3702 [22:11:54] <`Kevin> which has pcie
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3704 [22:12:17] <Papillon> I think express card has usb too
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3706 [22:13:26] <jelly> not going to suggest UUSSEERR anything is
hotpluggable or not before being 100% sure what they're talking
about
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3708 [22:14:16] <UUSSEERR>
replaced-url
3709 [22:14:29] <`Kevin> from what i see it is not hot pluggable
3710 [22:14:33] <jelly> in particular, wtf is "full size pcie
slot with a mini bracket"
3711 [22:14:47] <`Kevin> Replacing a PCI Express Mini Card with
two connectors
3712 [22:14:48] <`Kevin> 1. Turn off the computer; t
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3715 [22:15:50] <UUSSEERR> full size pcie slot is too long for 32
mm. bracket mounts it
3716 [22:15:58] <jelly> UUSSEERR, here:
replaced-url
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3718 [22:16:47] <jelly> UUSSEERR, "pcie slot" is what
desktops and servers have. Do you mean a 54mm ExpressCard slot?
3719 [22:16:54] <tw> UUSSEERR:
replaced-url
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3723 [22:17:04] <tw> no pcie pins.
3724 [22:17:45] <UUSSEERR> I dont want to hotplug I just want
debian to see my other card. If hotplugging helps then yes
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3726 [22:17:50] <jelly> if it's 34mm ExpressCard those
(usually?) only have usb support
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3732 [22:20:06] <jelly> tw: that link talks about mini pcie slots
3733 [22:20:42] <UUSSEERR>
replaced-url
3734 [22:20:58] <jelly> tw, and those are definitely not
hotpluggable
3735 [22:21:15] <tw> Is that not what he's using? he's
adding a 2nd wifi board to a t430s in a 2nd slot (apparently not
designed for it).
3736 [22:21:30] <jelly> UUSSEERR, so you're actually talking
about mini pcie slots.
3737 [22:21:30] <tw> No, they're not.
3738 [22:21:34] <UUSSEERR>
replaced-url
3739 [22:22:01] <UUSSEERR> yes mini pcie slots
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3741 [22:22:20] <jelly> then tw's link has the answer:
hardware does not support it
3742 [22:22:42] <UUSSEERR> it can support a dang egpu but not an
extra nic?
3743 [22:22:59] <jelly> no actual mini pcie card will work, only
usb-based and mSATA
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3745 [22:24:09] <jelly> ##ibmthinkpad would probably be a better
channel to ask about hw compatibility on thinkpads
3746 [22:25:04] <tw> And it's probably a good thing you
couldn't find it too, because powering up the radio FEs without
antenna loads would probably burn them out.
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3748 [22:25:32] <UUSSEERR> thank you all i guess I will look into
wwancards you guys are great thanks. I have antennas set up too.
3749 [22:25:42] <tw> Okay, that's good.
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3823 [22:59:50] <UUSSEERR> thanks all bye
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3843 [23:12:10] <angular_mike_> How to set up a venv that uses
python3(newest) on debian?
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3865 [23:22:45] <jhutchins> I wonder why he wants two WiFi cards
anyway?
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3867 [23:22:52] <angular_mike_> I dont
3868 [23:23:07] <theraspberry> people that want to do mitm?
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3871 [23:24:43] <nkuttler> plenty of uses for two cards
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3873 [23:25:02] <angular_mike_>
replaced-url
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3875 [23:25:05] <angular_mike_> Debian
3876 [23:25:06] <angular_mike_> pls
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3878 [23:25:21] <missmbob> angular_mike_: python3 -m venv /path
3879 [23:25:49] <angular_mike_> no module named venv
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3881 [23:26:08] <angular_mike_> and apt-get is unable to locate
package venv
3882 [23:26:15] <missmbob> python3-virtualenv
3883 [23:27:38] <angular_mike_> E: Unable to locate package
python3-virtualenv
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3885 [23:27:51] <missmbob> ,v python3-virtualenv
3886 [23:27:52] <judd> Package: python3-virtualenv on amd64 --
jessie: 1.11.6+ds-1; stretch: 15.1.0+ds-1; sid: 15.1.0+ds-1
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3889 [23:28:23] <angular_mike_> judd: update
3890 [23:28:26] <theraspberry> i've done python3 venv's
on debian stretch..
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3892 [23:28:46] <missmbob> p.d.o says it exists as well
3893 [23:28:49] <angular_mike_> is it some exotic repo?
3894 [23:28:59] <TomTomTosch> no
3895 [23:29:08] <angular_mike_> is stretch your lingo?
3896 [23:29:11] <themill> !local python
3897 [23:29:11] <dpkg> An installation of python in
/usr/local/bin/ is a great way of breaking a great many tools in
Debian, which assume running "python" runs the Debian
python with the installed python modules. Removing
/usr/local/bin/python* should be enough to fix the problem; if you
really need your own local version of system tools like python (and
perl, and ...) make sure they are not on $PATH when you are
performing upgrades. Ask me about <virtualenv>
3898 [23:29:38] <angular_mike_> dpkg: debian, pls
3899 [23:29:39] <dpkg> angular_mike_: wish i knew
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3904 [23:30:31] <theraspberry> I don't understand why you
came in here then.
3905 [23:30:34] <TomTomTosch> angular_mike_: check that you
didn't make a typo. paste the output of apt-cache policy to
paste.debian.net if you still can't install the package.
3906 [23:30:34] <angular_mike_> do I need some source?
3907 [23:31:18] <nevrou> Hey. Does anyone here have experience
using ISPmanager web client?
3908 [23:31:27] <angular_mike_>
replaced-url
3909 [23:31:29] <theraspberry> just to complain about
"debian, pls" like you come from a supirior distro.
3910 [23:31:31] <angular_mike_> how do you add this repository?
3911 [23:31:46] <theraspberry> angular_mike_: what version of
debian have you got?
3912 [23:31:52] <angular_mike_> theraspberry: what do you want me
to say?
3913 [23:32:08] <theraspberry> angular_mike_: that is a standard
package in jessie debian or debian 8.
3914 [23:32:22] <theraspberry> you'll be able to install it
with apt.
3915 [23:32:36] <angular_mike_> theraspberry: 7.8
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3917 [23:32:41] <theraspberry> well...
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3919 [23:32:57] <themill> angular_mike_: you need to upgrade to a
supported release
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3921 [23:33:45] <theraspberry> wheezy or debian 7.x does not have
a python3 virtualenv package.
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3936 [23:39:20] <angular_mike_> ok, I think I'm starting to
remember
3937 [23:39:30] <angular_mike_> sorry, I've just been losing
a lot of blood for the past week
3938 [23:41:25] <Papillon> where's the last place you saw it?
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3940 [23:42:22] <angular_mike_> ?
3941 [23:42:34] <theraspberry> lol
3942 [23:42:37] <Papillon> bad joke about losing blood
3943 [23:42:44] <angular_mike_> is true
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3945 [23:42:50] <angular_mike_> oh
3946 [23:43:02] <angular_mike_> no, is not about family, I lost
them long time ago
3947 [23:43:06] <angular_mike_> is literal blood
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3949 [23:43:41] <Papillon> the joke was that "losing"
blood is an expression, it's not literal, but the joke was
taking the expression "losing" blood literally
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3951 [23:45:09] <angular_mike_> oh
3952 [23:45:21] <angular_mike_> I last saw it on the carpet
3953 [23:45:35] <TomTomTosch> ...
3954 [23:45:36] <angular_mike_> I had to clean it out quickly
before it dries up
3955 [23:45:42] <theraspberry> what
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3957 [23:46:00] <angular_mike_> when you get cut and blled
3958 [23:46:04] <angular_mike_> but notice later
3959 [23:46:11] <theraspberry> is this #debian or #archlinux?
3960 [23:46:11] <angular_mike_> you need to clean up whole
appartment
3961 [23:46:13] <angular_mike_> which sucks
3962 [23:46:20] <angular_mike_> themill: har har
3963 [23:46:27] <angular_mike_> I got that reference
3964 [23:46:29] <Papillon> debian
3965 [23:46:47] <cnnx> in the top command, which reading is the
real amount of ram currently available in real time? is it the
"KiB Mem free" or "avail Mem" ?
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3976 [23:50:32] <Somelauw> Is it better to download Debian Jessie
and download all updates or to download a Stretch image?
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3979 [23:51:15] <angular_mike_> cnnx: `free -m`
3980 [23:51:25] <angular_mike_> what is this stretch?
3981 [23:51:38] <angular_mike_> when I see debians talking I feel
like I'm in ghetto
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3983 [23:51:58] <Papillon> debian 8?
3984 [23:51:58] <Somelauw> it's the new underground version
3985 [23:52:24] <missmbob> !stretch
3986 [23:52:24] <dpkg> The release following Debian 8
"Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber
octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9:
replaced-url
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3988 [23:52:30] <cnnx> angular_mike_: angular_mike_ ok that
matches kib mem free from top
3989 [23:52:35] <cnnx> so whats avail mem in top then?
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3992 [23:53:11] <angular_mike_> total mem - used mem + mem used
for disc cache
3993 [23:53:32] <cnnx> ok so avail mem is cache mem available
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3995 [23:53:37] <SuperTramp83> free -h
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3997 [23:53:44] <angular_mike_> it is emi available
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3999 [23:53:55] <angular_mike_> becuase it is meant to be given to
other applications when they need it
4000 [23:53:58] <cnnx> so i just want to look at the
"free"
4001 [23:54:02] <cnnx> not "avail free"
4002 [23:54:06] <cnnx> in both free -m and top
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4007 [23:55:29] <angular_mike_> ah, so memory is not getting freed
from disc caching fast enough for you?
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4017 [23:59:31] <angular_mike_> ok, upgrading helped, thanks
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