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173 [01:45:44] <pagetelegram> How or what package contains npm?
Trying to install Wire per instructions:
replaced-url
174 [01:45:57] <pagetelegram> I'm using Sparky, debian 9
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176 [01:47:10] <sZbcE8qNfG> nodejs?
177 [01:47:18] <phogg> pagetelegram: the npm package contains
npm.
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179 [01:47:27] <pagetelegram> Says I'm up to date
180 [01:47:39] <pagetelegram> npm returns no results with apt-get
181 [01:47:48] <sZbcE8qNfG>
replaced-url
182 [01:47:52] <sZbcE8qNfG> i think it's part of nodejs
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184 [01:48:23] <pagetelegram> System says nodejs is installed.
Tho npm not recognized.
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189 [01:49:34] <n4dir> apt-file search npm; doesn't tell me
anything, but you might want to look at the output yourself.
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195 [01:51:29] <pagetelegram> apt-file not a recognized command.
Perhaps I need something heavier than Sparky to do what I need. Any
recommendations? I like to use WindowMaker however will resort to
any bs DE if only I can get stuff to work. My rez limited to VGA
1024x768, so screen estate high value.
196 [01:52:25] <pagetelegram> Maybe I
197 [01:52:48] <pagetelegram> ll just install debian 9 and
install what I want from it's installer?
198 [01:53:32] <pagetelegram> I've invested some work into
Sparky already tho I'm not liking all the apearent
"walls"
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204 [01:55:42] <pagetelegram> just use OpenBox for now I guess on
deb 9. I've had all my websites hacked (single host) so
I'm at a tipping point now on giving up on a lot of stuff.
Though I need to be able to do work. Windows turned out to be too
much of a vulnerability so my only feasible option is to use some
linux distro and I'm already somewhat familar with debbies.
205 [01:56:35] <pagetelegram> WindowMakerLive is my utmost
prefered Distro however I don't have a working optical drive
and can't install on thumb with that.
206 [01:56:57] <pagetelegram> besides it is deb8 anyways
207 [01:57:38] <pagetelegram> I guess I needed to rant* sorry to
pollute. Wish there were more distros designed around Wmaker
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211 [01:59:45] <pagetelegram> Any case I need to get Wire up and
running by Tuesday morning for a research study I'm in.
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216 [02:01:36] <n4dir>
replaced-url
217 [02:02:16] <pagetelegram> Dude thank you! That looks very
promising.
218 [02:02:25] <n4dir> good luck. :-)
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241 [02:15:58] <pagetelegram> Need webcam access. I use an old
Labtec USB 1.1 webcam. Any tips what to install?
242 [02:16:37] <pagetelegram> btw: Wire installed fine thanks
again
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262 [02:57:58] <nebunez> I've been searching the internet
all day but I'm stumped: I'm editing /etc/default/keyboard
with the line XBOPTIONS="ctrl:nocaps" and it works fine,
except for when I use shift+capslock. I feel like the solution
should be available but I just can't find it which is why
I'm here. Any help is appreciated.
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347 [04:20:44] <outoftime> I'm on liveusb debian 9.5 and I
have wrong screen resolution. Should I download video driver?
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357 [04:36:32] <outoftime> Sould I install
replaced-url
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359 [04:40:22] <dvs> outoftime, if you have a Radeon card...
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367 [04:44:24] <outoftime> dvs: tying to install firmware
according to
replaced-url
368 [04:45:33] <dvs> oh, you must have an old card
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370 [04:48:10] <outoftime> dvs: HD6720G2
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374 [04:50:01] <pongo> someone help me
375 [04:51:01] <dvs> outoftime, it looks like the firmware only
goes back to HD 7800
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377 [04:53:10] <outoftime> dvs: that link is about debian 8, but
I'm using liveusb with debian 9.5, does that howto still
applicable?
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380 [04:54:28] <dvs> outoftime, for live? You can't install
anything permanent onto that. Besides, they have a nonfree live USB
which has nonfree pacakges installed on it.
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385 [04:56:58] <outoftime> dvs: I'm using liveusb to find
out how debian will look\fill like. I never used debian before,
I'm ubuntu user...
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388 [04:58:04] <dvs> outoftime, what was the filename of the iso
file you used to make the live USB?
389 [04:58:12] <outoftime> dvs: Do you know what to do with this
"E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource
temporarily unavailable)" ?
390 [04:59:03] <outoftime> dvs: debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso
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392 [04:59:39] <dvs> outoftime, that lock thing means that the
packages are being updated already and you're trying to update
the packages again.
393 [05:00:43] <outoftime> dvs: XFCE works fast, I like it. So,
if I sad to install few packages some or all of them are already
present in the system?
394 [05:01:23] <dvs> outoftime, the live USB version is not
writable
395 [05:01:56] <dvs> outoftime, the live ISO with the nonfree
packages can be found at
replaced-url
396 [05:05:43] <outoftime> dvs: looks like all firmware are
already present.
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400 [05:13:09] <outoftime> dvs: I remembered that firmware is
loading and sending to device in order to initialize it during
booting. Is it why you gave me link with liveusb which already have
non-free firmware?
401 [05:13:27] <karlpinc> outoftime: So long as you're
starting over with a new iso image you might want to look at this:
replaced-url
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403 [05:14:14] <karlpinc> outoftime: Some hardware requires
firmware to work. Some firmware is non-free and not included in
stock Debian.
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405 [05:14:37] <karlpinc> outoftime: Often firmware is loaded
into hardware at boot, yes.
406 [05:14:58] <outoftime> karlpinc: I read installation manual
up to section 7.
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415 [05:17:47] <outoftime> karlpinc: I'll save your link
about persistence with liveusb. I just can not read right now, with
this resolution...
416 [05:19:31] * outoftime $ sudo reboot
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419 [05:22:16] <diogenes_> no need for sudo to reboot
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432 [05:46:01] <outoftime> I need to repair grub after resizing
root partition. I have used `boot-repair` in such cases, will it
work for debian?
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460 [06:13:24] <jim> outoftime, sounds like you're booting
in legacy (not uefi) mode?
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463 [06:15:22] <jim> outoftime, anyway, I'll probably be
around... hilite me if you want to reply to me, I should notice that
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467 [06:21:53] <outoftime> jim: I have changed size of root
partion in order to move home to free space. After that, I'm
not able to boot. Looks like debian's way is to read manual
about grub to find out what is going on in order to able to fix it
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470 [06:23:12] <outoftime> jim: grub shows me rescu mode when
I'm booting from HDD, as usual
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498 [07:00:48] <darxmurf> morning
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511 [07:12:41] <jim> outoftime, can your machine boot in efi
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515 [07:15:37] <jim> outoftime, or are you stuck w/ legacy mode?
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605 [09:00:46] <P0G> good morning - on my new
Stretch-Server-Installation II experence a strange problem in
pasting strings in editors (like nano, vim) or mysql_cli (it
generates addtional characters arround).
606 [09:01:16] <P0G> but paste behaves "normal" on the
commandline
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612 [09:05:04] <P0G> the problem makes migration a bit difficult.
613 [09:05:41] <blackroot> sounds like a keymap thing
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621 [09:09:25] <P0G> the worst is nano which only gives a message
"unkown sequence",
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626 [09:09:42] <P0G> on the normal commandline it works o.k.
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628 [09:10:25] <P0G> the same behavior with ctrl V or wiht the
menu-paste
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637 [09:13:40] <P0G> in some software as weechat past works
aswell
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643 [09:16:52] <P0G> is there a global "mouse"
definition, which might react differnty (for vim i have found hints,
that it has to do with a mouse definition.
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649 [09:25:27] <Haohmaru> in terminal i paste with shift-insert
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677 [09:45:24] <purpleunicorn> will i be able to download debian
on an hp chromebook? I can't find any tutorials on youtube
unfortunately. Most people just download ubuntu.
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679 [09:46:33] <jelly> if you mean install, it's a good
question as those chromebooks can have interesting issues
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681 [09:46:56] <jelly> try to google your particular model and
debian
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683 [09:47:25] <themill> didn't we do this yesterday?
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685 [09:48:10] * jelly has a feeling purple unicorns are smart and love
reading
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719 [10:11:49] <wrksx> hey there
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722 [10:13:11] <wrksx> I just cleared a directory a partition is
mounted on. Now when I use the df command it still reports 72M of
used space, any idea what's happening ?
723 [10:13:24] <wrksx> ls -la
724 [10:13:30] <wrksx> woopsy =)
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727 [10:14:12] <Fox> wrksx: guess there was already something in
the mountpoint before mounting the directory
728 [10:14:23] <themill> files held open by a process still use
space even if deleted
729 [10:14:28] <wrksx> find returns nothing
730 [10:14:32] <wrksx> ls -la either
731 [10:14:50] <wrksx> themill,
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733 [10:15:07] <wrksx> oh, nice
734 [10:15:11] <Fox> wrksx: sure, you wont see anything unless
you umount and then check again
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736 [10:15:19] <wrksx> okay
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738 [10:15:58] <wrksx> Actually I rebooted and it was still the
saem
739 [10:16:00] <wrksx> same
740 [10:16:06] <wrksx> I'll try to unmount it
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744 [10:18:33] <wrksx> So once unmounted folder is still empty
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746 [10:19:23] <Fox> strange
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750 [10:20:50] <wrksx> I removed it from fstab and reboot once
again
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754 [10:24:02] <wrksx> still all empty folders
755 [10:24:18] <wrksx> df still report 72M when mounted
756 [10:24:54] <Fox> look at lost+found maybe ?
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758 [10:25:47] <wrksx> the dir the partition is mounted into is
literally empty
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760 [10:25:53] <wrksx> lost lost+found
761 [10:26:00] <wrksx> I meant NO lost+found
762 [10:26:07] <wrksx> ls
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773 [10:32:24] <Fox> wrksx: what size is the device ?
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775 [10:33:19] <wrksx> Fox 5,4T
776 [10:33:35] <wrksx> the partition I'm lookin at is 962G
777 [10:34:23] <Fox> wrksx: what are the Block size and Reserve
block count ?
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779 [10:34:45] <wrksx> hum I don't know how to check that
from the top of my head
780 [10:34:48] <wrksx> 1 sec =)
781 [10:35:24] <Fox> tune2fs -l /dev/whatever
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790 [10:37:58] <_wrksx> wth
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795 [10:38:13] <_wrksx> I've been deco/reco
796 [10:38:20] <_wrksx> Fox you there ?
797 [10:38:48] <_wrksx> I also have Reserved GDT blocks: 962
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807 [10:39:49] <Fox> paste the resultof tune2fs somewhere please,
replaced-url
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811 [10:40:51] <_wrksx> k
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813 [10:41:49] <_wrksx> fox here it is
814 [10:41:50] <_wrksx>
replaced-url
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832 [10:44:52] <Fox> strange, can't see why 72M used
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834 [10:46:14] <_wrksx> Yeah actually I have 2 empty partitions
on the same disk, and both are 72M
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852 [10:54:59] <RoyK> _wrksx: Reserved block count: 12799974
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854 [10:55:29] <_wrksx> yes
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857 [10:56:23] <_wrksx> RoyK, what dyou mean ?
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861 [10:56:59] <RoyK> _wrksx: that's reserved for root, and
will be showed as used by df
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864 [10:57:33] <_wrksx> RoyK, okay but I fail to convert that to
72M
865 [10:57:44] <Fox> that's what I just said too :)
866 [10:57:52] <RoyK> tune2fs -m 0 (or -m something.something) to
set the percentage lower than the default 5%
867 [10:57:53] <Fox> 12799974*4096 isn't 72M
868 [10:57:59] <_wrksx> the explanation seems okay
869 [10:58:06] <_wrksx> but the math ... =)
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872 [10:58:41] <_wrksx> It s a very large number of blocks
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875 [10:59:41] <_wrksx> Is the reserved block count PER
partition, or the whole HD ?
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878 [10:59:52] <RoyK> 20% reserved, it seems
879 [10:59:56] <RoyK> that's quite a bit
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881 [11:00:15] <RoyK> erm
882 [11:00:16] <RoyK> 5%
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884 [11:00:22] <RoyK> I'm babbling
885 [11:00:28] <FinalX> percentages are evil
886 [11:00:31] <RoyK> 255999488/12799974=20
887 [11:00:43] <FinalX> 5% of 8GB which was the default root fs
size for server installations here for a long time isn't a lot
888 [11:00:50] <FinalX> but 5% of the new 4TB SSD's is..
889 [11:01:08] <RoyK> but then, using ext4 for anything >1TB
isn't very smart either
890 [11:01:17] <FinalX> well no
891 [11:01:23] <_wrksx> It's not an SSD
892 [11:01:24] <FinalX> but that's besides the point ;)
893 [11:01:37] <RoyK> FinalX: xfs doesn't reserve data like
that
894 [11:01:39] <Fox> FinalX: sure, but that might save your ass
if you crash that 4TB SSD with lots of data on it
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896 [11:01:48] <_wrksx> (but what do you recomand for devices
larger than 1T)
897 [11:01:58] <RoyK> xfs
898 [11:02:10] <FinalX> Fox: not really :)
899 [11:02:15] <RoyK> only issue with xfs is it can't be
shrunk
900 [11:02:21] <_wrksx> ha
901 [11:02:30] <RoyK> but then - how often do you need to shrink
a filesystem?
902 [11:02:35] <Fox> FinalX: with the right tools it could/should
903 [11:02:35] <FinalX> for work we use ext for root/boot, xfs
for the bigger data partitions, and on lvm so you can toss excess
space to whatever needs it
904 [11:02:45] <Fox> sure
905 [11:02:45] <FinalX> personally I'm mostly using zfs
906 [11:02:51] <_wrksx> Okay now let's forget about those
72M, I'll get rid of these partitions anyway
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908 [11:03:11] <RoyK> FinalX: zfs rocks, but it lacks the
flexibility of md/lvm
909 [11:03:31] <RoyK> FinalX: but then - if you can plan ahead
and have the money, zfs really is a good idea
910 [11:03:32] <FinalX> it's all in one, it's
filesystems done differently.
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913 [11:04:04] * RoyK must have setup something like half a petabyte on
zfs in total
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915 [11:05:04] <_wrksx> I there any chance I'm goin to merge
3 exting partitions into one ? I want to dismiss part5 and 6, and
extend 7 to start where 5 used to start
916 [11:05:21] <_wrksx> Does that sound like doable ?
917 [11:05:25] <RoyK> _wrksx: root disk?
918 [11:05:37] <_wrksx> not sure what dyou mean
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920 [11:05:41] <_wrksx> I have only one disk
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922 [11:05:48] <_wrksx> so yeah ?
923 [11:05:54] <_wrksx> or... Idk
924 [11:06:32] <RoyK> _wrksx: I see - pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sda
or whatever the disk is called
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926 [11:07:25] <_wrksx> !bin
927 [11:07:25] <dpkg> [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension.
"aptitude install file", then run file on your .bin and
see what it is (or, read it with less). Or read the README file that
should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try
"sh myfile.bin". .bin is the extension used by some JDK
installers (which are executable files) and is also a Macintosh
archive format (MacBinary). If it is a CD image, ask me about
<bin-cue>.
928 [11:07:28] <_wrksx> !paste
929 [11:07:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
930 [11:07:54] <_wrksx> RoyK,
replaced-url
931 [11:08:12] <_wrksx> sorry had a typo
932 [11:08:14] <RoyK> sda, not sda1
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934 [11:08:54] <_wrksx> here it is
replaced-url
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937 [11:09:36] <_wrksx> so as visible here 5, 6 and 7 are
following each other
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940 [11:09:54] <_wrksx> I want to get rid of the first two, and
extend the last
941 [11:09:58] <RoyK> _wrksx: it's possible - just remove
sda[67] and extend sda5 ;)
942 [11:10:03] <RoyK> make a backup first
943 [11:10:18] <RoyK> better use lvm next time - it's way
more flexible
944 [11:10:18] <_wrksx> RoyK, I want to extend backward
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946 [11:10:32] <RoyK> you can't
947 [11:10:38] <_wrksx> that's the main reason why I'm
freakin out
948 [11:10:40] <_wrksx> oh shit
949 [11:10:41] <RoyK> _wrksx: how much data do you have on this?
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951 [11:11:00] <_wrksx> 2,9T in sda7
952 [11:11:13] <RoyK> and on the other two?
953 [11:11:18] <_wrksx> zero
954 [11:11:22] <_wrksx> or, 72 M =)
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956 [11:11:59] <_wrksx> but sda 7 won't fit in sda 5 +6
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958 [11:12:19] <_wrksx> I feel screwed
959 [11:12:22] <RoyK> ok, the easiest way is to remove sda[56]
and create a new sda5 with the remaining space, 2TB or so, and then
put lvm on that (pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate)
960 [11:12:37] <RoyK> then create an xfs filesystem there and
rsync most of the data over
961 [11:12:50] <RoyK> what you can't fit there, well, find
some other place for it
962 [11:12:58] <RoyK> or perhaps it's something you can
remove?
963 [11:13:02] <_wrksx> hum
964 [11:13:14] <_wrksx> RoyK, Yeah I might look at what I can get
rid of
965 [11:13:22] <_wrksx> it's mainly backups
966 [11:13:43] <_wrksx> so I might remove a few of the older
backups no big deal
967 [11:13:58] <RoyK> then, when sda7 is freed, remove it and
extend ext5, run pvresize and extend it etc
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970 [11:14:10] <RoyK> but use lvm
971 [11:14:20] <_wrksx> yeah I learned to love lvm
972 [11:14:23] <RoyK> and only allocate as much as you need plus
half a tera or perhaps a tera
973 [11:14:30] <_wrksx> but someone gave me this box setup like
this
974 [11:14:45] <RoyK> well, this is my best advice
975 [11:14:52] <_wrksx> alright sounds nice
976 [11:15:14] <RoyK> :)
977 [11:15:19] <_wrksx> the xfs I really dunno nothing about it,
shouldI just throw it in there and I'll have no surprises ?
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979 [11:16:13] <RoyK> it works like ext4 except (a) you
can't shrink it and (b) xfs_repair spends about 5% of the time
as compared to e2fsck on a bad filesystem
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981 [11:16:39] <RoyK> which may be sufficient on a large
filesystem
982 [11:17:08] <RoyK> I've seen fsck take 6-8 hours on a
12TiB ext4 filsystem
983 [11:17:25] <RoyK> and that was on a SAN - quite idle
984 [11:17:26] <_wrksx> let's go for xfs !
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987 [11:18:32] <jelly> RoyK: that's good, my rule of thumb
was around 1hour 1TB
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989 [11:18:52] <_wrksx> maybe I could shrink sda7, copy the
remaing data to a new sda8, then remove sda7 and extend the created
sda5, then grab the remaing data in sda8 to sda5, then get rid of it
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994 [11:19:27] <_wrksx> sounds a lot of messing around but would
allow me not to copy over network
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1000 [11:20:43] <jelly> also a reason we don't have any
ext[34] larger than 500GB ideally, everything is sliced into neat
pieces
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1004 [11:21:36] <nielsk> hi
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1006 [11:22:08] <nielsk> can someone tell me, if I can change the
partition type from let's say raid autodetect to non-fs data or
linux without loosing data?
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1008 [11:22:51] <nielsk> I don't want to reformat but after
an upgrade to debian8 the raid does not auto-assemble anymore on
boot, and one of the solutions I read about is that changing the
partition type might help
1009 [11:23:55] <_wrksx> fdisk says: "The kernel still uses
the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot or
after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)."
1010 [11:24:21] <_wrksx> because I removed two partitions (5 and
6)
1011 [11:24:42] <_wrksx> I really don't know about partprob
or kpartx.
1012 [11:24:50] <_wrksx> Should I simply restart the system ?
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1015 [11:27:04] <nielsk> just do a sudo partprobe first, if that
doesn't work for reporting the new table, do a reboot
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1018 [11:27:27] <nielsk> partprobe is a game of luck for me; with
some systems it works, with some it doesn't
1019 [11:27:32] <_wrksx> k ty
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1028 [11:30:39] <jelly> nielsk: partition type number in the
partition table does not affect data inside it
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1030 [11:30:52] <nielsk> jelly: thanks
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1037 [11:34:46] <zleap> hi
1038 [11:35:02] <zleap> quick question, what is the procedure for
reporting possible bugs with debian 9.5 ?
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1041 [11:37:04] <_wrksx> RoyK, I did not remember that (because I
didn't have to deal with it) can u confirm I need to create a
partition with fdisk before I can setup lmv ?
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1047 [11:40:27] <zleap> good morning :)
1048 [11:40:38] <_wrksx> mornin
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1054 [11:42:25] <RoyK> _wrksx: back
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1056 [11:43:01] <_wrksx> RoyK, hey =) I think I got confirmation
from multiple sources online that I need to create an empty
partition first
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1058 [11:43:08] <_wrksx> so I'm all set
1059 [11:43:54] <RoyK> _wrksx: sounds good - so long as sda7 is
ext4, umount it, resize2fs -M it and resize the partition - leave
some gigs just in case
1060 [11:44:45] <RoyK> _wrksx: as long as you use lvm, you can
have several partitions on the same disk in the same vg
1061 [11:44:51] <RoyK> as different pv's
1062 [11:44:54] <_wrksx> RoyK, you mean leve some free gigs in
sda7 just in case ?
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1065 [11:45:07] <RoyK> (or even PVs)
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1067 [11:45:33] <RoyK> _wrksx: first, umount, then resize2fs -M to
resize it to a minimum
1068 [11:45:52] <RoyK> _wrksx: then resize the actual partition
onto which the filesystem is
1069 [11:46:24] <RoyK> but resize it to something 10+ gigs more
than the filesystem size just in case something's not reported
- you naver know
1070 [11:46:29] <RoyK> *never*
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1072 [11:47:01] <zleap> hmm, i am trying to run the program
userinfo from the console and am being told it is not installed
however I can run from the menu fine, and propertis from the menu
point to /usr/bin/userinfo
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1075 [11:47:09] <RoyK> _wrksx: have you removed those empty
partitions?
1076 [11:47:13] <zleap> not console terminal window
1077 [11:47:29] <_wrksx> RoyK, I think it'll make sense when
I'll read resize2fs manual
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1080 [11:47:54] <_wrksx> RoyK, yeah I just created a new sda5 in
place of the sda5 and 6
1081 [11:47:57] <RoyK> _wrksx: resize2fs will resize the
filesystem, not the partition - the filesystem is on a partition
1082 [11:48:07] <RoyK> or lv, but in your case, a partition
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1088 [11:48:40] <_wrksx> RoyK, ha right and -M makes it minimal
size automatically, is that right ?
1089 [11:48:51] <RoyK> for the filesystem, yes
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1091 [11:48:58] <RoyK> but it doesn't touch the partition
table
1092 [11:49:04] <_wrksx> got it
1093 [11:49:09] <RoyK> you'll need
fdisk/parted/gparted/something for that
1094 [11:49:39] <_wrksx> fdisk has always served me well, if it
can do that I'll go with it
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1096 [11:49:53] <RoyK> it'll work
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1098 [11:49:56] <_wrksx> but I heard good stuff about parted
1099 [11:50:06] <RoyK> _wrksx: make sure you have a backup of
important data
1100 [11:50:14] <RoyK> *always* make sure you have a backup
1101 [11:50:18] <_wrksx> RoyK, these are my backups
1102 [11:50:19] <_wrksx> =)
1103 [11:50:20] <RoyK> regardless of what you do
1104 [11:50:22] <RoyK> ah
1105 [11:50:23] <RoyK> ok
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1108 [11:50:47] <_wrksx> but I might save the most recent backups
to another place just in case
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1110 [11:51:01] <RoyK> probably a good idea
1111 [11:51:10] <zleap> parted is nice, but it is nice to
understand the process of what parted is doing behind all the gui
stuff.
1112 [11:51:24] <_wrksx> I thought parted was command line
1113 [11:51:30] <RoyK> it is
1114 [11:51:35] <RoyK> gparted is the gui thing
1115 [11:51:35] <zleap> ah, i am thinking gparted
1116 [11:51:37] <zleap> sorry
1117 [11:51:42] <_wrksx> ha right
1118 [11:51:46] <zleap> but either way understanding what it is
doing is useful
1119 [11:51:56] <RoyK> anyway - fdisk works
1120 [11:52:11] <zleap> i used fdisk way back when i started
1121 [11:52:20] <_wrksx> will any fdisk or lvm command alter my
fstab file ?
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1123 [11:53:31] <RoyK> _wrksx: suggestion: Remove the 1TB
partition and create a new 2TB part, pvcreate that, vgcreate backup
/dev/blah, lvcreate -L100%FREE -n backup, mkfs -t xfs, mount it,
rsync the most important data over to the new lv/fs
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1126 [11:54:52] <_wrksx> RoyK, is the suggestion about naming ?
because it sounds a lot like what you sugested earlier
1127 [11:55:08] <RoyK> then, when that's done with, deal with
the old partition - you'll need to shrink the fs and remove the
partition, then create a new partition starting at the same place
and filling at least the spacee needed for the shrunken filesystem -
this may go wrong, so if you have the most important data copied
already, chances for the shit hitting the fan are far lower
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1129 [11:55:42] <RoyK> _wrksx: I just suggested backup/backup
above
1130 [11:55:46] <RoyK> up to you
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1132 [11:55:55] * RoyK += 0xf00d
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1137 [11:56:53] <_wrksx> RoyK, I don't really get it
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1139 [11:57:15] <_wrksx> I have my new 2T partition ready on sda5
(clear)
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1142 [11:57:28] <_wrksx> I'll now setup the lvm
1143 [11:58:10] <_wrksx> so you suggest I create a VG called
backup
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1145 [11:59:13] <_wrksx> then I create a LV called backup using
all of the free space of the backup VG ?
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1150 [12:00:24] <_wrksx> so that should be:$ lvcreate -L100%FREE
-n backup backup
1151 [12:00:31] <_wrksx> RoyK, is that right
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1156 [12:01:46] <RoyK> _wrksx: correct
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1158 [12:02:03] <RoyK> _wrksx: then just put an xfs fs on
/dev/backup/backup
1159 [12:02:07] <RoyK> and mount it somewhere
1160 [12:02:12] <_wrksx> RoyK, okay, thanks for the help, very
nice giving the syntax like that it makes it easier
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1163 [12:02:53] <RoyK> but - 0xf00d
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1166 [12:03:13] <_wrksx> wut
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1176 [12:05:44] <_wrksx> RoyK, what dyou mean but - 0xf00d ?
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1208 [12:23:29] <helloyahoo> kkioo
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1215 [12:30:35] <queip> systemd killed my dependant program, when
a program it depends on died
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1217 [12:30:51] <queip> this is stupid. was is the case also in
good old initd?
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1226 [12:37:36] <cef> queip: initd didn't support any real
dependencies afaik
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1230 [12:40:27] <queip> cef: weren't there comments where you
written what services should run before yours?
1231 [12:40:33] <queip> Im quite certain I written that one time
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1234 [12:41:44] <cef> queip: you could say what order to run
things.. if they didn't start, unless you explicitly checked
things in your own start script though, you could only assume
they'd been started/done
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1236 [12:42:50] <cef> and they didn't usually restart if they
failed unless you ran them with some sort of wrapper program to do
just that.
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1238 [12:43:20] <cef> note: I'm not a fan of systemd either..
but mainly cos it's buggy and not well documented.
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1259 [12:56:06] <golam700_> hiii
1260 [12:56:14] <golam700_> hii how r u
1261 [12:56:21] <RoyK> _wrksx: food ;)
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1263 [12:56:48] <RoyK> _wrksx: any luck so far?
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1265 [12:57:26] <golam700_> i just gace a problem
1266 [12:57:29] <golam700_> face
1267 [12:58:11] <purpleunicorn> aww jelly thank you
1268 [12:58:56] <RoyK> dpkg: tell golam700_ about ask
1269 [12:59:00] <purpleunicorn> someone else told me that that
issue with chromebooks and installing linux was an old problem and
works now but i can't really find any tutorials on them :/
1270 [12:59:23] <golam700_> is it possible to resume windows same
session after shutting down
1271 [12:59:34] <purpleunicorn> i just hope the person im trusting
a bit on their knowledge with buying a chromebook is right
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1283 [13:08:35] <Fox> did you try
replaced-url
1284 [13:09:23] <Fox> purpleunicorn: ^
1285 [13:09:33] <purpleunicorn> yeah i read it
1286 [13:09:56] <purpleunicorn> i think its the right one but i
dont want to fuck it up if it isnt Fox
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1290 [13:11:56] <Fox> well, what chromebook did you buy ?
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1340 [13:45:56] <Thedarkb-T60> Hey, root has locked my dpkg
directory and my HDD is getting thrashed
1341 [13:45:57] <Thedarkb-T60> help
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1345 [13:46:25] <qman__> ps aux | grep dpkg
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1353 [13:48:52] <qman__> or, lsof /var/lib/dpkg
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1358 [13:50:11] <_wrksx> RoyK, was eating too =) still rsyncing,
looks like I've got a real slow disk at work here
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1366 [13:52:45] <peope> What is a good free alternative to
virtualbox?
1367 [13:52:57] <Thedarkb-T60> QEMU with a GUI frontend
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1371 [13:54:00] <peope> What would a good gui frontend be?
virt-manager?
1372 [13:54:20] <diogenes_> peope, vmware player, gnome boxes
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1375 [13:57:26] <peope> Thedarkb-T60 diogenes_ : thank you :)
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1377 [13:57:52] <diogenes_> peope, with vmware player you can even
use 3d acceleration and play games
1378 [13:58:07] <diogenes_> and it's free (not open source
though)
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1388 [14:03:15] <jelly> diogenes_: that's less free than
vbox, then
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1390 [14:03:53] <diogenes_> jelly, i know but that's not a
death sin is it?
1391 [14:04:18] <jelly> no, but they specifically asked for
"free"
1392 [14:04:37] <diogenes_> then sorry, i didn't notice that
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1396 [14:09:11] <RoyK> _wrksx: what does smartctl -i have to say
about it?
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1400 [14:10:17] <golam700_> pongo you joined
1401 [14:10:45] <pongo> yes
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1403 [14:11:19] <golam700_> so
1404 [14:11:41] <pongo> what you said last time about your
computer
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1450 [14:36:16] <_wrksx> RoyK, it's not installed :/
1451 [14:36:30] <_wrksx> but 1h for 1.5T seems a lot
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1453 [14:37:27] <_wrksx> I guess I need to be patient
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1457 [14:38:29] <FinalX> _wrksx: depends. if they're big
files, it can often continue in one go, but a lot of little files
(like an OS rsync) have a lot of overhead
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1459 [14:38:49] <FinalX> syncing 230k files with plex took 30
mins, and was only like 32GB
1460 [14:38:56] <FinalX> of plex*
1461 [14:39:48] <_wrksx> Oh my god
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1463 [14:40:13] <_wrksx> I didn't count files before
1464 [14:40:17] <_wrksx> so I have no idea
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1466 [14:40:27] <_wrksx> but I know for sure there are thousands
1467 [14:40:29] <FinalX> lots of random seeks and stuff are a
problem
1468 [14:40:37] <FinalX> and little caching on that end usually
1469 [14:41:00] <FinalX> but if you have a large (preferably
continous) files, it's a very fast usually. even if the next
content is somewhere else on disk, it can read ahead already
1470 [14:41:09] <FinalX> and cache the blocks you're
copying..
1471 [14:41:22] <_wrksx> So I think I've got lots of small
files
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1476 [14:47:25] <RoyK> _wrksx: apt install smartmontools
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1566 [15:19:40] <_wrksx> atop reports MBw/s 31.90
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1569 [15:20:23] <_wrksx> so that means around 12 hours of copying
for 1.3TB
1570 [15:20:34] <_wrksx> I think it's not right
1571 [15:21:32] <_wrksx> Is there a way to tell rsync to stop, in
a nice way ?
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1573 [15:21:48] <_wrksx> like a gentle stop signal =)
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1575 [15:22:41] <greycat> If pressing Ctrl-C doesn't do what
you want, then ask #rsync.
1576 [15:22:45] <twobitsprite> ctrl-c should be fine. It'll
re-transmit the unfinshed file when you start it again because
it'll see the size difference
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1578 [15:23:02] <_wrksx> greycat, lol
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1582 [15:23:25] <_wrksx> FinalX, do you think it's rsync
overhead? would that be faster to cp or mv the files ?
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1586 [15:24:16] <greycat> _wrksx: I was not joking. At all. Not
even CLOSE.
1587 [15:24:16] <twobitsprite> _wrksx: if it's
local-to-local, rsync will be as efficient as cp... if the source
and destination are the same filesystem, mv will be much faster
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1589 [15:24:58] <_wrksx> greycat, I didn't think you were
jokin, I just found it funny
1590 [15:25:21] <_wrksx> yeah it's local to local but
different partitions
1591 [15:26:32] <_wrksx> greycat, I <ctrl-c>ed, but
it's kind of stuck doin Idk what, guess I might checkout /rsync
actually =)
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1593 [15:27:49] <greycat> If you're writing to a slower
device (NFS mount, USB, ...) then the kernel may have buffered a LOT
of data that's still being written.
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1595 [15:27:55] <_wrksx> I copied 8.4G in 1h30
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1597 [15:28:06] <_wrksx> Can't believe it
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1601 [15:29:57] <_wrksx> greycat, actually I was writing to the
same device
1602 [15:30:04] <_wrksx> just a different partition
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1604 [15:30:42] <_wrksx> but indeed it's still writing
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1606 [15:31:11] <_wrksx> And writing a LOT
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1612 [15:33:50] <deemand> Good afternoon. Would you say that using
lxc containers is easier on resources than a linux kvm-guest? If so,
I'd be interested in learning whether it's possible to
passthrough and bind a NIC to one lxc container.
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1621 [15:42:37] <_wrksx> No idea why, but cp turns out to be twice
faster than rsync...
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1630 [15:46:59] <Ormu> hi, I switched from lightdm to sddm, and
now screen locking doesn't work properly in Xfce
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1632 [15:47:52] <Ormu> if light-locker is running (it is when Xfce
is started), the screen goes blank when choosing "lock
screen" but the username/password prompt does not appear
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1635 [15:48:27] <Ormu> so the only (?) way to unlock is to switch
to another tty, log in, killall light-locker, switch to the X11 tty
1636 [15:49:35] <Ormu> lightdm does not support wayland so
I'm using sddm
1637 [15:49:37] <jelly> yeah, light-locker is somewhat crap. I
still use xscreensaver.
1638 [15:49:48] <jelly> oh, you're on wayland?
1639 [15:50:06] <Ormu> I sometimes use KDE+Wayland and that's
why I switched to SDDM
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1641 [15:50:37] <Ormu> hm, xscreensaver might be an option...
1642 [15:51:39] <Ormu> screen locking works on KDE (it uses the
KDE screen locker)
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1648 [15:58:58] <darxmurf> damn broadcom sucks, they bought LSI
and they don't provide any command line clients on their
website for RAID cards
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1651 [15:59:56] <colo-work> darxmurf, uh? are you sure about that?
1652 [16:00:37] <darxmurf> well broadcom website is fantastic when
it comes to support...
1653 [16:01:26] <jelly> darxmurf: it wasn't any better before
they got bought
1654 [16:01:28] <colo-work> darxmurf, maybe
replaced-url
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1657 [16:01:40] <colo-work> (storcli is the megacli successor, and
should do what you need)
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1659 [16:02:07] <jelly> except if it's lsiutil
1660 [16:02:07] <SwedeMike> I have upgraded firmware for LSI1068 /
2008 cards using Linux command line, it's just a pain to find
the right tools.
1661 [16:02:09] <darxmurf> aha okay
1662 [16:02:11] <darxmurf> that's why
1663 [16:02:16] <darxmurf> I'll have a look on that
1664 [16:02:25] <darxmurf> just found an old page from avago about
that
1665 [16:03:32] <jelly> there was a dude collecting linux utils
for all the nw raid cards...
1666 [16:03:36] <jelly>
replaced-url
1667 [16:03:47] <jelly> that looks vaguely familiar
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1670 [16:04:48] <darxmurf> yep I know this one but I think
it's fairly old
1671 [16:04:54] <colo-work> darxmurf, try
replaced-url
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1673 [16:05:26] <gypsymauro> hi
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1679 [16:06:12] <gypsymauro> I've done a dist-upgrade (i
think this is the cause) and then when I try to reload ntp: kernel:
[621038.120569] audit: type=1400 audit(1538402096.934:276):
apparmor="DENIED" operation="create"
profile="/usr/sbin/ntpd" pid=17325 comm="ntpd"
family="inet" sock_type="dgram" protocol=0
requested_mask="create" denied_mask="create"
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1681 [16:06:18] <gypsymauro> any hint?
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1684 [16:06:41] <greycat> If you're not on stable or
oldstable, try #debian-next on the OFTC network.
1685 [16:07:12] <greycat> They're more likely to have people
who know things about apparmor breaking left and right in
testing/unstable.
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1687 [16:07:22] <gypsymauro> I'm on stable
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1690 [16:07:39] <greycat> Backports kernel?
1691 [16:08:07] <gypsymauro> cat /etc/debian_version 9.5 uname -a
4.15.18-5-pve #1 SMP PVE 4.15.18-24 (Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:15:10
+0200) x86_64 GNU/Linux
1692 [16:08:16] <gypsymauro> doh. is the pve thing?
1693 [16:08:19] <greycat> definitely not a stretch kernel
1694 [16:08:28] <jelly> !proxmox
1695 [16:08:28] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
1696 [16:08:33] <greycat> ahh.
1697 [16:08:39] * jelly nods
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1699 [16:09:21] <greycat> !literal pve
1700 [16:09:21] <dpkg> "pve" is "<reply>see
proxmox"
1701 [16:09:22] <jelly> if however you have a single Debian
container inside someone's proxmox host, we can support that
userspace here
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1703 [16:09:57] <jelly> but not the host
1704 [16:10:02] <darxmurf> okay, found storcli, let's try
that
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1706 [16:10:20] <darxmurf> it's sad, MegaCli help was quite
good to generate random passwords :D
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1708 [16:10:37] <papemco_> Hello, systemd-udevd is consuming all
my cpu!! what in wrong?
1709 [16:10:50] <jelly> megacli was possibly the worst CLI
I've even had the misfortune to see
1710 [16:10:51] <papemco_> what could be wrong?
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1712 [16:11:20] <jelly> papemco_: bug? Which debian release?
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1714 [16:11:44] <papemco_> 9.5 xfce
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1721 [16:13:17] <darxmurf> jelly: I would say storecli is not much
better :D
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1726 [16:14:57] <jelly> pkpkpk1: are you a bot?
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1728 [16:15:15] <pongo> why?
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1735 [16:17:11] <darxmurf> damn and it's not displaying my
RAID controller :D
1736 [16:17:19] <darxmurf> okay, will see that tomorrow :D
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1739 [16:17:47] <pkpkpk1> why you tell me like bot
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1741 [16:19:04] <jelly> pongo / pkpkpk1: I don't know, your
clients look unusual. Which software are you using?
1742 [16:19:57] <pongo> node-irc
1743 [16:20:06] <jelly> thanks
1744 [16:20:14] <pongo> but why??
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1746 [16:21:01] <_wrksx> why why
1747 [16:21:09] <jelly> pongo: just a hunch, and apparently a
wrong one
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1763 [16:31:15] <Ormu> jelly: xscreensaver seems to work... thanks
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1765 [16:31:35] <pkpkpk1> let me solve a problem
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1773 [16:37:58] <outoftime> jim: yes, uefi enabled, but problem is
thr same in disabled mode too. During boot, grub is searching on
wrong partition. That is why I can not boot and have rescue mode.
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1802 [16:49:31] <Beggar> <jhutchins> thank you for the
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1835 [17:08:53] <jim> outoftime, hmm, so it sounds like grub is
loading, do you have evidence it's trying to look for files by
name (which means stage 2 of grub is successfully loaded)?
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1838 [17:09:10] <njsg> What'd be needed to boot the debian
installation CD by loading the kernel from elsewhere? Just the
kernel, the initrd and the boot parameters, right? What would be the
best minimal parameters?
1839 [17:09:16] <njsg> I'll probably try loadlin.
1840 [17:10:07] <jim> njsg, how do you mean elsewhere? to a
different starting location in ram?
1841 [17:11:30] <jim> oh, didn't read that too good... you
said -from- elsewhere
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1843 [17:11:51] <njsg> yeah, from C: :-P
1844 [17:11:55] <imMute> Is there a way to get at the package
solver *without* using the list of packages currently installed and
instead use a separate file that contains the installed packages and
their versions?
1845 [17:12:32] <jim> and c: is formatted with which filesystem?
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1847 [17:12:49] <njsg> that shouldn't matter at all, should
it?
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1849 [17:13:04] <njsg> the goal would be to boot from the CD but
load the kernel+initrd from the hard disk
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1851 [17:13:24] <njsg> it's fat32, but it's the OS where
loadlin runs that has to deal with that
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1903 [17:37:37] <stemid> hey I'm trying to transfer some
files with rsync but this command works ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa -p
6543 root@localhost while this command asks for password rsync -av
-e 'ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_rsa' what am I missing?
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1905 [17:37:59] <stemid> final argument of the rsync command is
/some/dir root@localhost:6543/var/database/
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1907 [17:38:34] <pawpa> root login is disabled?
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1909 [17:38:48] <stemid> oh I solved it. I had to add -p to the -i
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1910 [17:39:00] <stemid> apparently it must have been trying
localhost 22
1911 [17:39:19] <stemid> the ssh -p argument that is
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1945 [17:56:15] <outoftime> jim: Im from 3g, have been
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1979 [18:13:30] <njsg> the install DVD kernel image does not need
*any* parameters? I'm looking at the bootloader files in the
disc and the only parameters are priority=... and vga=..., which, I
suppose, can be just left out?
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1985 [18:16:23] <jhutchins_wk> njsg: It shouldn't need
anything, should boot to a menu.
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1988 [18:17:14] <njsg> The *kernel* boots to a menu?
1989 [18:17:27] <njsg> I did manage to boot it, it really requires
nothing
1990 [18:17:34] <njsg> Now I probably need to choose another video
mode
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1992 [18:17:55] <njsg> because with the default one part of the
screen is not visible
1993 [18:18:06] <njsg> I mean, I get black where there should be
something
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1995 [18:18:35] <njsg> but that's not because of debian,
I've had that with other kernels I tried to boot
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2007 [18:23:50] <moldy> hi
2008 [18:24:06] <moldy> trying to use virtualbox from
stretch-backports:
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2009 [18:24:11] <moldy> any idea what i am doing wrong?
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2014 [18:26:09] <RoyK> moldy: firstly, why use virtualbox when
kvm/libvirt works better?
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2016 [18:26:46] <nkuttler> moldy: do you have virtualbox-dkms
installed?
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2019 [18:28:38] <moldy> nkuttler: yep
2020 [18:28:47] <moldy> RoyK: hmm, i thought it would be easier to
setup
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2023 [18:29:38] <nkuttler> moldy: it's not ;)
2024 [18:30:07] <nkuttler> fwiw, it looks like the kermel module
wasn't built, so building it with dkms might help..
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2026 [18:30:37] <RoyK> moldy: apt install kvm libvirt-bin
virt-manager
2027 [18:30:42] <RoyK> then just run virt-manager
2028 [18:30:46] <RoyK> ta-taa
2029 [18:31:26] <RoyK> takes a couple of minutes on spinning rust
- a few seconds on an ssd
2030 [18:32:12] <moldy> hmm, i found virtualbox to be much easier
in the past, but maybe i should indeed give kvm a try here
2031 [18:32:24] <nkuttler> moldy: what are you going to use this
for anyway?
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2033 [18:33:23] <moldy> nkuttler: testing a small program that
interacts with a windows-only software
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2035 [18:33:33] <nkuttler> moldy: i see
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2062 [18:52:02] <jhutchins_wk> njsg: There are optional parameters
you can pass for problems like video. nomodeset might help in your
case. Once you get it installed you can figure out the correct video
settings.
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2065 [18:53:12] <njsg> I don't think there's modeset for
this GPU, but I might be wrong, either way, just using the
framebuffer (somehow it works fine. VESA, I guess?) is fine for me
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2067 [18:53:23] <jhutchins_wk> RoyK: Virtualbox exists because
there are things it does better than kvm/libvirt.
2068 [18:53:49] <njsg> I thought it existed because it's a
commercial product of Oracle :-P
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2071 [18:54:18] <njsg> How is the naming nowadays, by the way, is
qemu included in "kvm/libvirt"? or it just uses kvm?
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2078 [18:57:14] <njsg> What I might have more trouble with is the
ethernet NIC, for some reason none of the 3com options worked
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2080 [18:58:18] <moldy> so, trying virt-manager:
replaced-url
2081 [18:58:18] <njsg> I'm sure it's a 3com, I'm
not sure about the driver, I'd have to check and I'll do
that later
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2083 [18:58:50] <njsg> I could to that now, but linux might not
like me ejecting the card (even if it *is* supposed to be
hotpluggable...)
2084 [18:58:58] <njsg> s@to@do@
2085 [18:59:42] <moldy> RoyK: any idea maybe?
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2099 [19:04:31] <ardualabs> Greets - I've run into a bit of
dependency hell trying to get wine set up to go on my system.
I've got i386 arch added, but win32 is particularly gripe-y
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2105 [19:06:25] <njsg> the mirror configuration requires network
connectivity?
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2115 [19:10:25] <greycat> During install, yeah. If you install
without a working network, you get a useless sources.list file and
you'll have to edit it by hand to make it work afterward.
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2118 [19:10:48] <greycat> You don't even get a commented-out
template. You get nothin'. :(
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2121 [19:11:22] <njsg> that sounds like it could be improved a bit
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2123 [19:11:44] <njsg> Especially nowadays that I see more drivers
needing external firmware and so on
2124 [19:11:56] <njsg> but I'm not really qualified to
comment on that, I don't use debian a lot
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2126 [19:12:02] <njsg> as far as I *can* fix it after the install,
it's ok
2127 [19:12:22] <greycat> For laptops and other machines that rely
on non-free firmware, we strongly recommend using the unofficial
netinst installer images with non-free firmware.
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2129 [19:12:48] <njsg> greycat: isn't that a bit of
chicken-and-egg?
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2131 [19:13:22] <njsg> oh wait, netinst, not netboot, I see
2132 [19:13:27] <greycat> Debian does not include non-free
firmware in its standard installer images for philosophical reasons.
The unofficial images with non-free firmware are provided for
convenience, but not advertised on the web site.
2133 [19:13:38] <njsg> Maybe I should have picked those. What I
don't know is if I do need firmware
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2135 [19:13:45] <njsg> I don't recall this card needing
firmware in hte past
2136 [19:13:48] <njsg> but it was a long time ago...
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2139 [19:15:37] <rjdp9736> I tried installing Debian on Dell
inspiron 15 7000 series, (which has ubuntu installed) the debian
install was successful but when I restarted it restarted with ubuntu
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2142 [19:15:49] <njsg> is there some installer or mode that allows
a more fine-grained control over the packages that are installed?
2143 [19:16:04] <rjdp9736> I used Debian 9.5 from usb
2144 [19:16:09] <Beggar> LOL
2145 [19:16:38] <njsg> rjdp9736: sounds like either you need to
pick the right option in the boot menu or you need to add an option
to the boot menu
2146 [19:16:50] <greycat> rjdp9736: Sounds like Ubuntu is the one
in control of your GRUB menu. Which is fine. You just have to pick
one to be the master. Boot into ubuntu, make sure its equivalent of
the os-prober package is installed, run its equivalent of
update-grub, and that should (hopefully) populate the GRUB menu with
all OSes.
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2148 [19:17:10] <rjdp9736> njsg: I entirely erased the drive and
installed debian into it
2149 [19:17:19] <Beggar> LOOOL
2150 [19:17:20] <rjdp9736> so the old ubuntu should have been gone
2151 [19:17:23] <greycat> Clearly you did not, if Ubuntu still
booted.
2152 [19:17:24] <jelly> rjdp9736: or your UEFI firmware defaults
to ubuntu the entry
2153 [19:17:27] <njsg> rjdp9736: and did it boot ubuntu?
2154 [19:17:32] <jelly> the* ubuntu* entry*
2155 [19:17:56] <njsg> rjdp9736: either you did erase the drive or
it booted ubuntu
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2157 [19:18:11] <rjdp9736> jelly: I think that might me it, but
will that not let debian installer to format the disk
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2159 [19:18:18] <njsg> I don't think hard disk technology has
reached the point where you can have more than one bit in one bit
2160 [19:18:54] <jelly> rjdp9736: just use your firmware boot menu
to pick the right OS, or use efibootmgr in EITHER linux to
reconfigure with desired order
2161 [19:18:57] <Beggar> rjdp9736, how did you erased the driver?
Maybe you just created new partitions and installed Debian there. If
you did what you said then you probably did something wrong in the
disk managing process in the debian isntallation.
2162 [19:18:58] <njsg> This is already growing over 700 MiB, maybe
I should not have choosen "basic system utilities" or what
it was...
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2164 [19:20:28] <rjdp9736> Beggar while installation I used entire
disk for the install , applied this to the hardrive
2165 [19:20:40] <njsg> well
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2167 [19:21:03] <Beggar> You did it manually of used any of the
automated options there?
2168 [19:21:09] <Beggar> or*
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2170 [19:21:15] <njsg> The installer won't stop when it runs
out of space?
2171 [19:21:32] <rjdp9736> Beggar: I chose "Use entire
disk"
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2174 [19:22:01] <Beggar> there is a manual option, you sould have
used that one, this give more control over your partitioning.
2175 [19:22:01] <rjdp9736> Now it works , I just turned of UEFI
mode and turned on legacy mode
2176 [19:22:32] <Beggar> maybe the grub from ubuntu apeared there
but booting up ubunt looks weird
2177 [19:22:38] <rjdp9736> but still I dont know how the ubuntu is
still there
2178 [19:22:50] <rjdp9736> I dont understant the UEFI thing
2179 [19:23:02] <rjdp9736> can someone explain in short ?
2180 [19:23:13] <Beggar> the Debian isntaller used the entire
disk... the entire part that was free... hahaha
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2182 [19:23:45] <rjdp9736> Beggar: Idk , I used the
"SDA"
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2185 [19:24:07] <njsg> what's the best way to do a very
minimal install (the least packages possible)?
2186 [19:24:16] <Beggar> UEFI is the "new" BIOS system
for partitioning harddisks. isntead of having bits on the beggning
of the harddrive you have an entire partition dedicated to list your
otherpartitions.
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2189 [19:24:24] <nkuttler> njsg: don't select packages/tasks
during install
2190 [19:24:27] <greycat> njsg: netinst, then uncheck EVERYTHING
2191 [19:24:39] <greycat> But seriously, "standard"
should be fine.
2192 [19:24:43] <Beggar> njsg, what they said.
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2196 [19:25:35] <njsg> ok, I'll restart, wipe / and do that
2197 [19:25:55] <Beggar> njsg, use an soft and clean cloth,
please.
2198 [19:26:07] <njsg> can I apply water too?
2199 [19:26:21] <njsg> any idea why the network card wouldn't
work? there's nothing in the kernel log regarding missing
firmware
2200 [19:26:21] <Beggar> deionized only.
2201 [19:26:55] <Beggar> What is the nic?
2202 [19:27:09] <Beggar> you can check if it has any dependency.
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2204 [19:27:22] <njsg> driver should be 3c589_cs
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2207 [19:28:11] <njsg> it gets loaded but doesn't print
anything about the card
2208 [19:28:33] <Beggar> firmware-nom-free missing probably
2209 [19:28:45] <njsg> wouldn't it print a message?
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2211 [19:29:13] <Beggar> it ussualy warns you in the installing
process, but not aways.
2212 [19:29:39] <Beggar> the linux firmware nom free é easy
to get
2213 [19:29:42] <jelly> njsg: just how old is this system that you
have a 3c589_cs?
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2216 [19:29:52] <njsg> Until today, I have never seen a kernel
driver not complain explicitly that the firmware/binary blob file
was missing
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2219 [19:29:57] <Beggar> you can do it using another compurter or
an cellphone and isntall via dpkg
2220 [19:30:02] <njsg> jelly: shouldn't be related, given
that the card is a separate entity
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2224 [19:30:34] <jelly> that's 16bit pcmcia, doesn't
need external firmware. Probably doesn't have _ability_ to load
external firmware at all
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2227 [19:31:12] <njsg> yenta_socket is loaded, 3c589_cs is loaded,
what else do I need...
2228 [19:32:08] <jelly> I honestly do not remember any more what
pcmcia support looked like in 2.6 kernels
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2230 [19:32:29] <Beggar> pcmcia.... hahahaha
2231 [19:32:40] <njsg> jelly: I remember one thing about the level
of support
2232 [19:32:41] <njsg> it worked.
2233 [19:32:47] <jelly> Beggar: try to keep your comments
constructive in here.
2234 [19:32:54] <njsg> I'd not be surprised if this kernel
were broken
2235 [19:33:02] <Beggar> The best thing I had on one of these
cards were a IRDA
2236 [19:33:03] <njsg> well, this kernel driver, to be more
precise
2237 [19:33:17] <jelly> njsg: and I bet if you install something
like lenny or etch, it might work again
2238 [19:33:19] <njsg> recently, I've had adventures where
writing to floppies might freeze a linux system...
2239 [19:33:42] <Beggar> jelly, sorry, just recalled when I used
this on an very old notebook.
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2244 [19:33:58] <greycat> you ... still have a working floppy
drive?
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2246 [19:34:28] <jelly> i salvaged a usb 3.5" drive when we
were cleaning up crap in the office like two years ago
2247 [19:34:40] <mutante> they were not even actually
"floppy" anymore since they were 5.25 inch
2248 [19:34:56] <jelly> they were floppy where it mattered, on the
inside
2249 [19:35:11] <njsg> that's something I find interesting,
the last widely spread floppy ain't floppy
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2258 [19:38:58] <jelly> njsg: what's you goal, making a linux
work on this machine, or just the process of installing?
2259 [19:39:14] <Beggar> njsg maybe it helps in something
replaced-url
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2263 [19:39:37] <njsg> if pcmciautils is needed in the install
environment, how'd I install it? fetch .deb and use dpkg?
2264 [19:39:58] <Beggar> oh... it is the isntall process... sorry.
2265 [19:40:05] <jelly> njsg: you can separate the two, put the
HDD into a different machine, partition, format, debootstrap and
install a boot loader, then put it back
2266 [19:40:09] <njsg> jelly: installing debian. it could be any
linux, debian just happens to be one I know a bit better
2267 [19:40:31] <Beggar> Well in the isntalling process there are
a option list of modules to be loarded I am sure pcmcia is lsited
there and not enabled by default.
2268 [19:40:48] <jelly> if it's just installing, then sorry,
you're 15 years too late for me to be of any help with this
particular machine :-)
2269 [19:41:45] <njsg> Beggar: the pcmcia-related module,
yenta_socket, is loaded. The card driver is loaded.
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2272 [19:42:40] <njsg> so are pcmcia{,_{rsrc,core}}
2273 [19:42:42] <jelly> Beggar: yenta_socket is the actual driver
for, I think, all x86 pcmcia bridges that I've seen, and they
say they already got that
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2275 [19:43:01] <njsg> yenta_socket sees the card being ejected
and inserted
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2277 [19:43:34] <njsg> what puzzles me is that the driver
doesn't write anything about detecting the card and
doesn'ẗ show any error...
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2291 [19:47:04] <mrslaughter1775> How would one go about starting
up certain applications on boot, say, in different windows(?)?
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2293 [19:47:16] <mrslaughter1775> Scenes?
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2295 [19:47:23] <jelly> workspaces?
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2297 [19:47:23] <greycat> Do you mean at login time, rather than
at boot time?
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2299 [19:47:36] <mrslaughter1775> jelly: Correct.
2300 [19:47:53] <mrslaughter1775> greycat: Well either really.
2301 [19:47:56] <jelly> your desktop environment may have
provisions of placing different apps on different workspaces
2302 [19:47:59] <jelly> KDE does.
2303 [19:48:45] <bhundven> Seeing this with wpa_supplicant and
network manager:
replaced-url
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2305 [19:48:45] <greycat> In fvwm I simply use the -geometry
option for windows and I know my screen size. So I have lines like
rxvt -font 7x13 -geometry +0+1452 & in my ~/.xsession
2306 [19:48:46] <jelly> also, at least xfce, KDE and Gnome can
save a session with opened windows and apps and try to restore it on
the following login
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2309 [19:49:42] <bhundven> I'm not sure how to tell
wpa_supplicant to not use SSL3
2310 [19:49:44] <greycat> So, short version is it depends on your
DE or WM.
2311 [19:49:46] <jelly> but... are you Mrs. Laugther 1775 or Mr.
Slaughter 1775?
2312 [19:49:54] <jelly> or both
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2317 [19:50:25] <mrslaughter1775> I'm not sure which is
better. Basically I just want to open a fullscreen weechat in one
workspace and two terminal windows in another workspace (each taking
up half the screen)
2318 [19:50:25] <mrslaughter1775> jelly: Noted. I'm running
Gnome, so I'm sure there's got to be some setting that is
easy to tweak, but I'm trying to get my hands dirty with the
terminal as opposed to relying on a GUI.
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2323 [19:51:42] <jelly> mrslaughter1775: you can probably force
saving the session in gnome's control panel or whatever
that's called now
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2326 [19:52:26] <jelly> not sure if gnome interprets workspaces as
simply as fvwm and its Pager did (does, in case of greycat)
2327 [19:52:42] <greycat> You can try and see what happens.
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2329 [19:52:46] <jelly> nod
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2331 [19:53:22] <mrslaughter1775> I apologize. I should have
consulted the all-knowing Google before asking.
2332 [19:53:22] <mrslaughter1775> jelly: Mr. Slaughter 1775. I
keep it formatted this way to spark conversation (like it did just
now). :)
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2337 [19:54:54] <njsg> O
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2339 [19:55:22] <njsg> I'll have to look this up, for now
I'll focus on installing a minimal system (which, by what
I've seen, won't be so minimal, but should work and I can
deal with that later)
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2342 [19:55:39] <njsg> But it *is* puzzling that the driver would
be present, yet it won't even say a word about the card
2343 [19:55:54] <njsg> I don't recall if it needed userland
software or not, maybe it needs, for configuration
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2345 [19:57:22] <jelly> something something pcmciautils
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2347 [19:58:01] <njsg> probably, probably
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2364 [20:08:33] <Beggar> I am trying to make the backlight
brightness work on Stretch on the same notebook I was changing the
terminal colors. I am almost running out of options here any advice
would be interesting.
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2368 [20:09:51] <rgr> using xdotool and wmctrl you can move nd
resize windows based on standard gnome desktop tiling and placement
chords.
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2393 [20:18:33] <karlpinc> Beggar: Strech probably won't be
different from any other linux. I don't know anything about
backlights. One thing that sometimes helps is to use a newer kernel.
There might be something in backports.
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2396 [20:20:40] <jelly> !bdo kernel
2397 [20:20:40] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After
modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To
install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t
stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported
kernel image packages: «aptitude search
'?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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2402 [20:21:55] <njsg> ... the installer does not ask before
installing the bootloader?
2403 [20:22:11] <njsg> not even "which bootloader do you want
to install"?
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2408 [20:23:13] <jelly> how many bootloaders do you honestly
expect the bootloader to support properly
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2411 [20:25:44] <jhutchins_wk> njsg: grub is the default across
almost all distributions. If you want something else like lilo, you
set it up post-install.
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2413 [20:26:01] <Beggar> The i915 module is loaded, video works
without problem, but backlight does not change no matter what. The
/sys/class/class/backlight/intel_backlight is there but changing the
brigtness value does no change anything. I have passed various
kernel options, acpi_osi, video.use_native_backlight,
non_bios_backlight and some others I do not recall.
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2417 [20:27:00] <jhutchins_wk> Beggar: Hardware is implemented
differently by different manufacturers. Your best bet is to track
down posts about your specific model laptop.
2418 [20:27:08] <Beggar> None of them change the content of
/sys/class/class/backlight/ (at least I guess it shoudl change
something there) and backlight does no change
2419 [20:27:21] <jelly> and hw quirks do get added to kernel on
occasion
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2421 [20:28:24] <Beggar> jhutchins_wk, I have done that, I tried
all the options in the arch page, the options on the ubuntu bugs
page and some stuff in the intel manpage, but until now no success.
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2424 [20:28:41] <Beggar> I am still looking for a solution.
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2427 [20:31:40] <njsg> jhutchins_wk: well, if I want nothing,
I'm gonna have a bigger headache, why install then remove if I
can simply not install
2428 [20:32:31] <njsg> I don't really care whatever is
thought to be the "standard", or if one is even needed.
But I find it sad that the installer does not even try to accomodate
some choice there
2429 [20:32:42] <njsg> because if somebody does not want grub2,
that wil always involve more work
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2431 [20:32:55] <greycat> Because there has to be some sane,
simple set of defaults. 99.9% of people are perfectly happy with
GRUB. Why make the installer more complex to support some niche set
of users who want a different boot loader?
2432 [20:32:57] <njsg> Not that I should have any say in this, of
course...
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2435 [20:33:18] <njsg> greycat: I am not contesting the need for a
default, what I am pointing at is the lack of choice
2436 [20:33:20] <jelly> njsg: why -- because your use case is
different than the majority of machines installed today, and it is
not worth maintaining code and data for edge cases
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2438 [20:33:24] <n4dir> njsg: that must be rather new though. I do
recall you sure could make the choice if you want to install grub
and where. Not that sure if you could install lilo, but i recall it.
2439 [20:33:44] <greycat> Why make the installer MORE COMPLEX for
the vast majority (thousands) of users to make 7 users happy?
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2441 [20:34:01] <njsg> n4dir: I *thought* I would get that choice,
indeed. I don't really recall a lot from the debian install,
but I thought it was like that. I must be misremembering
2442 [20:34:05] <n4dir> if that option was removed i don't
know. Some things have changed for the debian installer
2443 [20:34:06] <jelly> anyone is free to join debian-installer
team and help making a better product
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2445 [20:34:30] <Beggar> yes I ahd this option in Stretch to
choose between LILO and Grub, but it was before 9.5 I guess.
2446 [20:34:32] <jelly> njsg: you can also use the expert install
mode and SKIP installing boot loader completely
2447 [20:34:41] <greycat> Many questions have been removed from
the installer, like configuring your email domain and so on. Those
things are either defaulted, or disabled, and if you want to
configure them, you do it yourself post-install.
2448 [20:35:17] <n4dir> greycat: for debian 9 / aka stable ?
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2450 [20:35:21] <jelly> complaining about defaults that do not fit
one particular edge case is silly
2451 [20:35:23] <n4dir> or was it before that?
2452 [20:35:33] <greycat> I have no idea when it was. I install
quite rarely.
2453 [20:35:43] <n4dir> dang.
2454 [20:36:07] <greycat> This reminds me of those nutjobs who
demand that they be given a choice of init system during the
install.
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2462 [20:36:59] <n4dir> one could always do a debootstrap
installation, though i don't consider it to be much fun.
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2464 [20:37:14] <jelly> greycat: I want my runit debian dammit
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2466 [20:37:45] <jelly> n4dir: it is however the most flexible!
2467 [20:38:10] <greycat> People who truly need a heavily
customized installation can make their own installer using
preseeding and other tools.
2468 [20:38:18] <jelly> you can partition and format and choose
boot loader in ANY way you want! In fact you _have_ to
2469 [20:38:34] <jelly> right
2470 [20:38:47] <n4dir> sure. I for one often like no-brainers.
With the d-i i usually get away with hitting the enter-key a few
times (and enter a password two times, iirc)
2471 [20:39:03] <jelly> at work we have a custom udeb to work
around deficiencies in partmanthingy
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2476 [20:41:12] <jhutchins_wk> njsg: If you want more controll of
the installer, you're going to have to learn more about how it
works.
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2478 [20:41:50] <jhutchins_wk> njsg: As someone pointed out, what
you probably wanted was a debootstrap install. That gives you a lot
more control, but requires you to actually build the system,
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2490 [20:47:27] <Beggar> xbacklight -set 30 does not give any
error but the brightness is not changed. echoing to brightness in
sys does nothing, everything seems to be in place though.
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2492 [20:48:14] <Beggar> kernel populates /sys right? So if there
is an entry there is a sign that the kernel found it and it is
operational, or not?
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2509 [20:52:54] <P0G> I commanded a new stretch based virtual
server, which works nicely. But I have a difference in behavior of
"paste" behavior.
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2511 [20:54:31] <P0G> Althoug it works like expected aver ssh in a
screen-terminal, paste generates strange characters in some software
as mysql-cli, nano, and vi.
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2513 [20:54:48] <Henry151> Beggar: i adjust my brightness with
this command: "xrandr --output eDP-1 --brightness 1" or
--brightness 0.5 or whatever i want to set it to
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2515 [20:55:29] <mutante> P0G: :set mouse=a
2516 [20:55:34] <mutante> P0G: then it should work again
2517 [20:55:45] <P0G> is it possible to set this globally?
2518 [20:56:04] <greycat> P0G: that's for vim only
2519 [20:56:10] <mutante> yea, should be in .vimrc
2520 [20:56:26] <pingfloyd> njsg: if you don't want grub
installed, skip that step in the installer
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2522 [20:56:39] <mutante> true, i was only talking about vim
specifically. but it's a change from jessie -> stretch
2523 [20:57:22] <mutante> also before you paste into vi(m), do you
do ":set paste" first?
2524 [20:57:26] <P0G> I can try try to fix it with vim, so I see,
wether it's this issue at all, thanks.
2525 [20:57:42] <karlpinc> Beggar: Does it need non-free firmware?
2526 [20:57:49] <Beggar> Henry151, xrandr changes the backlight or
it just change the colors?
2527 [20:58:10] <Beggar> backlight intensity*
2528 [20:58:24] <mutante> P0G: yea, so the ":set" is to
be run inside vim, not on the shell. to be specific
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2530 [20:58:32] <P0G> in nano there is a errormessage
"unknown sequence2, didn't find a hint until now
2531 [20:58:50] <Beggar> karlpinc, I thin it does not, even if it
does I ahve all the firmware apckets there.
2532 [20:58:54] <Beggar> packages&
2533 [20:59:07] <Henry151> Beggar: i use that command to change my
screen brightness
2534 [20:59:21] <Henry151> sorry, may have answered the wrong
question, i jumped in in the middle and thought that was what you
were asking.
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2536 [21:01:30] <Beggar> No, what you said was right, the command
do eorkd, but I do not know if it is changing the backlight
intensity (the PWM of the LED backlight) or if is jsut making the
image darker using some sort of software brightness
2537 [21:01:40] <Beggar> this is what I was trying to say.
2538 [21:02:23] <Henry151> i think it is changing the backlight
intensity, but i am not sure.
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2541 [21:04:12] <Beggar> I am not sure if it is true but: "
2542 [21:04:12] <Beggar> --brightness brightness
2543 [21:04:12] <Beggar> Multiply the gamma values on the crtc
currently attached to the output to specified floating value. Useful
for overly bright or overly dim outputs. However, this is a software
only modification, if your hardware has support to actually change
the brightness, you will probably prefer to use xbacklight."
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2548 [21:06:38] <Henry151> the other day i was fooling around with
this and accidentally made my screen go black and had to reboot
because i couldn't figure out how to increase brightness again
with no visibility
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2550 [21:08:41] <Beggar> I have done that using DPMS before, I go
stuck because the monitor did no woke up anymore. I have to pwoer it
off from mains haha
2551 [21:09:15] <Beggar> well xrandr do change LED brightness but
I guess it is the same as xbacklight and both of them does not work
for me.
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2553 [21:09:24] <Beggar> xrandr --output <output> --set
BACKLIGHT <value>
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2574 [21:24:02] <zleap> hi all
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2577 [21:24:50] <grobi> 1/quit
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2586 [21:27:26] <rmrfchik> trying to make torbrowser working...
strace shows strange:
2587 [21:27:38] <rmrfchik> execve("/usr/bin/dirname",
["dirname", "./firefox"], 0x56215298dde8 /* 51
vars */) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
2588 [21:28:11] <rmrfchik> earlier calls works fine:
2589 [21:28:15] <rmrfchik> execve("/usr/bin/dirname",
["dirname", "./start-tor-browser"],
0x56160816cb90 /* 48 vars */) = 0
2590 [21:28:35] <greycat> obvious guess is that it changed
directory in between
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2593 [21:29:35] <rmrfchik> how directory changin can cause
EACCESS?
2594 [21:29:46] <greycat> or chrooted, or dropped privileges, or
in some other way altered its environment so that it can no longer
execute this program
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2598 [21:30:02] <greycat> I guess a regular chdir() wouldn't
do it.
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2603 [21:30:57] <rmrfchik> greycat, well, this is what I'm
trying to find. No chroot syscalls.
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2605 [21:31:12] <rmrfchik> what I should look in strace? Any
ideas?
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2608 [21:32:35] <greycat> If something is calling
/usr/bin/dirname, then I'm guessing it's a crappy sh
script, so maybe you could debug the shell script instead of trying
to root through low-level syscalls.
2609 [21:32:36] <rmrfchik> hmmm, syscalls are: clone, close, dup2,
close, stat, stat, execve
2610 [21:32:48] <rmrfchik> last execve fails with EACCSESS
2611 [21:33:11] <greycat> In any case, checking permissions and
meta-permissions (ACLs and all this other crap that we have these
days) on / /usr /usr/bin /usr/bin/dirname would not hurt.
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2614 [21:33:36] <rmrfchik> greycat, this is torbrowser script. and
it look innocent: #!/bin/sh
2615 [21:33:36] <rmrfchik> basedir=$(dirname "$0")
2616 [21:33:46] <greycat> That looks horrible already.
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2620 [21:34:02] <rmrfchik> indeed, but this is what we have
packaged
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2622 [21:34:43] <n4dir> debian stable: Xnest -ac 1 ; on the
"host" and export DISPLAY=localhost:1 in the
"chroot", i get "(netsurf-gtk:17425): Gtk-WARNING **:
19:34:17.433: cannot open display: localhost:1"
2623 [21:34:55] <rmrfchik> and I can call dirname freely. And
previous calls are succeeded
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2641 [21:40:51] <P0G> mutante: thanks for the hints. I was lucky
that mcedit worked. (and nano has also mouse settings. which I have
to try).
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2663 [21:59:45] <jhutchins_wk> !tor
2664 [21:59:45] <dpkg> The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency
anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables
the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc
tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (replaced-url
2665 [21:59:58] <jhutchins_wk> !tor browser
2666 [22:00:53] <mason> !tbb
2667 [22:00:59] <mason> or not
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2669 [22:03:21] <jhutchins_wk> rmrfchik: Tor Browser Help &
Support: "If you need help please check if the FAQ answers your
question and if not you can email the help desk."
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2671 [22:03:41] <jhutchins_wk> rmrfchik:
replaced-url
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2674 [22:04:13] <jhutchins_wk> I would think since it's a
subproject, #tor would be appropriate.
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2682 [22:10:18] <jhutchins_wk> Reality check: When I traceroute to
a remote host, that shows me only the route _to_ that host, not the
route that return packets take, right? Return packets are routed
independently?
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2693 [22:14:26] <Exchange> Hi. I'm playing around with debian
cloud image but I can't seem to find any information about how
the cloud image is generated ? is there a script available somewhere
?
2694 [22:14:49] <mutante> P0G: glad it helped :)
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2697 [22:17:11] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: I believe so, yes. The
system running traceroute sends packets with a finite but
sequentially increasing TTL (time to live), and when the TTL runs
out, the router at that point sends back a packet noting the
failure, and traceroute collates those.
2698 [22:18:05] <greycat> The man page goes into detail.
2699 [22:19:05] <njsg> jelly: how do I enter that expert mode?
2700 [22:19:44] <Exchange> openstack-debian-images <- I guess
:b
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2717 [22:29:44] <Resilience> jello to everyone, this a little OT,
but, the version of kodi shipped with debian acts like a
"normal" application? or is it in a full window mode?
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2719 [22:30:52] <petn-randall> Resilience: It's a normal
application that you can run in full window mode.
2720 [22:31:06] <petn-randall> borderless, if that's what
you're asking.
2721 [22:31:30] <Resilience> petn-randall, but by-default it does
switch to full screen over the dsktop, right?
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2724 [22:31:48] <Resilience> petn-randall, yes, I am asking if the
default is*not* to do that
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2726 [22:32:55] <Eightynine> How can I make Synaptic to show up in
menu? I'm using Debian with MATE. I can't see sound applet
although it's installed too.
2727 [22:33:08] <petn-randall> Resilience: I don't know what
the default is, but it'll save whatever you configure.
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2730 [22:33:52] <Resilience> petn-randall, ok, enough for me,
thanks, I want to try kodi at my desktop just to tinker a little bit
around
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2738 [22:44:48] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: Traceroute sends packets
with increasing TTL and shows you where they are when they run out
of hops. In theory, the route could change for each packet sent.
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2752 [22:57:19] <peaceguy> hi all
2753 [22:57:29] <peaceguy> i'm trying to install a program
from a .deb file
2754 [22:57:30] <peaceguy> and i get
2755 [22:57:41] <peaceguy> dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg
status area: No such file or directory
2756 [22:57:41] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, peaceguy
2757 [22:58:01] <peaceguy> when doing sudo dpkg --root=...
2758 [22:58:10] <greycat> wtf is --root=
2759 [22:58:15] <peaceguy> so i'm trying to specify an
alternative install path
2760 [22:58:17] <peaceguy> that is it
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2762 [22:58:26] <greycat> CLEARLY that is not for you. Don't
do that. Stop it.
2763 [22:58:27] <peaceguy> alternative install path
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2765 [22:58:30] <peaceguy> why?
2766 [22:58:37] <peaceguy> that was example of course
2767 [22:58:41] <greycat> *plonk*
2768 [22:58:45] <peaceguy> ?
2769 [22:58:49] <diogenes_> peaceguy, try, su (password) then dpkg
-i package.deb
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2771 [22:58:58] <peaceguy> i use dpkg with the --root option
2772 [22:59:02] <peaceguy> and i get that error
2773 [22:59:24] <greycat> He thinks he's clever or something,
that he can install a .deb in some directory other than the ones
built into the package.
2774 [22:59:37] <peaceguy> but for some it's possible
2775 [22:59:38] <diogenes_> haha
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2777 [22:59:44] <peaceguy> ok
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2779 [23:01:38] <chuuna> can anyone tell me why:
replaced-url
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2781 [23:01:57] <chuuna> "The researcher was disappointed
knowing that some major Linux distributions, including Debian and
Ubuntu, left their users exposed to potential attacks by not
releasing kernel updates more than a week after the vulnerability
was made public."
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2785 [23:03:55] <booyah> that is a good question chuuna
2786 [23:04:02] <greycat> chuuna: looks like a local exploit to
me, so a week to make sure the fixes don't break anything seems
OK
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2789 [23:05:11] <chuuna> greycat: true, did u read the full
article?
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2792 [23:06:37] <chuuna> "Horn responsibly reported the
vulnerability to Linux kernel maintainers on September 12, and the
Linux team fixed the issue in his upstream kernel tree within just
two days, which Horn said was "exceptionally fast, compared to
the fix times of other software vendors.""
2793 [23:06:46] <jfbourdeau> Hi, I am using Debian wheezy and
looking for a VPN Client (GUI) so I don't have to start openvpn
trough the command line... THe Gui included in my distro failed at
connection... But though the commandLine, it,S working...(sudo
openvpn nordvpn config file)
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2798 [23:10:18] <Henry151> i forget how i set it up but mine is
configured so that i just do systemctl start openvpn and systemctl
stop openvpn to start and stop it
2799 [23:10:36] <Henry151> it was fairly easy to configure it
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2801 [23:10:43] <jfbourdeau> tks Henry151 DO you have to input
manually the user and password ?
2802 [23:10:47] <Henry151> nope
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2804 [23:11:12] <Henry151> i couldn't tell you where the
credentials are stored off the top of my head but if you google
about it i'm sure you can figure it out
2805 [23:11:44] <Henry151> i used to type in the user and password
every time and finally got sick of it and googled it and set it up a
few months ago, it's been much nicer
2806 [23:12:29] <jfbourdeau> i'll be good with that info....
if the systemctl do not seem to work on my command line, I suppose
it's a package / command I need to install... WIll google tks
2807 [23:13:04] <Henry151> i think here:
replaced-url
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2810 [23:13:31] <jfbourdeau> ok tks for your answer Henry151
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2812 [23:13:53] <Henry151> no problem :D
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2817 [23:15:50] <Henry151>
replaced-url
2818 [23:15:59] <candidat> hello !
2819 [23:16:25] <peaceguy> what does "dpkg: error: unable to
access dpkg status area: No such file or directory" mean?
2820 [23:16:33] <Henry151> added line "auth-user-pass
login.conf" to my .ovpn config file, then created new file
login.conf and entered username and password, jfbourdeau
2821 [23:16:51] <jfbourdeau> ok tks !
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2857 [23:36:21] <grobi> for example: i would like to open
mail-adresses with alpine and links with links or links2
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2862 [23:38:19] <zleap> is there a way to tell alpine to open web
links that way
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