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• 22[00:18:26] <dpkg> i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc. replaced-url
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• 59[01:25:28] <usney> hi guys
• 60[01:26:10] <usney> what are some sed grep redirection examples to copy and paste text in text mode only?
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• 71[01:42:03] <[Awaxx]> You are wrong my friend
• 72[01:42:26] <[Awaxx]> both tools aren't done to copy...
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• 76[01:44:21] <usney> someone told me that you could use them for such things [Awaxx]
• 77[01:44:25] <usney> maybe it was you?
• 78[01:44:41] <[Awaxx]> usney: certainly not
• 79[01:45:05] <[Awaxx]> take a moment reading man pages from these tools
• 80[01:45:23] <[Awaxx]> it's not done to copy things...
• 81[01:47:35] <usney> well I'll use the grep tool to see who it was in debian that said he used it for that purpose
• 82[01:47:43] <usney> on the logs
• 83[01:48:06] <[Awaxx]> from what I see you are misunderstanding the basic... you need reading & some practice to fix that.
• 84[01:49:34] <usney> I already learned how to copy and paste with the screen tool [Awaxx]
• 85[01:49:43] <[Awaxx]> you can extract a portion of text from a standard input file/stdin... then you can ofc redirect the result to store this... but it's no more grep or sed.
• 86[01:49:59] <usney> what are some other ways to copy and paste in the command line interface?
• 87[01:50:14] <[Awaxx]> you need to learn about bash redirection.
• 88[01:50:28] <[Awaxx]> for the storage process...
• 89[01:50:43] <usney> I learned a little
• 90[01:50:57] <usney> >> > < << ..etc.
• 91[01:51:08] <[Awaxx]> you are in a linux console or an Xterminal?
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• 93[01:51:37] <usney> nope I am using a graphical environment but I do have a computer without a GUI
• 94[01:51:59] <usney> I am learning the basics so far
• 95[01:52:17] <usney> I remembered how to mount partitions
• 96[01:52:36] <usney> since it doesn't seem to do this automatically in the CLI
• 97[01:52:50] <usney> also learned how to setup wifi from the CLI
• 98[01:52:56] <[Awaxx]> it can do this...
• 99[01:53:05] <[Awaxx]> you need to set it up
• 100[01:53:13] <usney> yes I know but I am lazy
• 101[01:53:17] <[Awaxx]> :/
• 102[01:53:23] <[Awaxx]> it's life
• 103[01:53:23] <usney> easier to just manually mount them
• 104[01:53:33] <usney> they you don't forget
• 105[01:53:40] <[Awaxx]> yea on purpose it's okay too...
• 106[01:54:07] <[Awaxx]> what's the problem with copy/paste?
• 107[01:54:26] <[Awaxx]> copy/paste from mouse? or from programming?
• 108[01:54:36] <usney> I was just curious how the fellow did it with grep and redirection
• 109[01:54:52] <usney> I'll have to check my logs to ask him/her
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• 111[01:55:34] <[Awaxx]> grep "^(.*)$" > grep-report.txt
• 112[01:56:04] <[Awaxx]> use >> to append...
• 113[01:56:34] <[Awaxx]> grep has missing file input...
• 114[01:56:51] <[Awaxx]> grep "^(.*)$" mytext.txt > grep-report.txt
• 115[01:57:57] <[Awaxx]> these "> and >>" are part of bash.
• 116[01:58:15] <[Awaxx]> it's not grep at all...
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• 118[01:59:54] <usney> what are they apart of? [Awaxx]
• 119[02:01:01] <[Awaxx]> they are bash operator handling redirections
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• 125[02:08:01] <awal1> usney seems lost now
• 126[02:08:07] <awal1> ;D
• 127[02:09:21] <usney> sorry was away
• 128[02:10:09] <usney> oh sorry I read you wrong I thought you said they are not apart of bash
• 129[02:11:01] <[Awaxx]> it's bash built in
• 130[02:11:06] <usney> nice
• 131[02:11:47] <usney> how do you take screenshots in CLI?
• 132[02:11:54] <[Awaxx]> but you might be using dash... which is almost bash... dash handles redirections same way bash does
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• 136[02:12:30] <usney> nah bash all the way
• 137[02:12:53] <usney> unless peppermint or debian uses something else as default?
• 138[02:13:13] <awal1> scrot
• 139[02:13:31] <awal1> screenshot cli
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• 141[02:13:48] <awal1> i use that
• 142[02:13:55] <usney> maybe it was awall
• 143[02:14:00] <[Awaxx]> you can use Imagemagick's "import" to screenshot
• 144[02:14:17] <awal1> me what?
• 145[02:14:22] <usney> do you use grep and redirection for copying and pasting info from text files?
• 146[02:14:38] <usney> just curious how you do that
• 147[02:15:01] <awal1> no
• 148[02:15:27] <usney> let me search my logs
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• 151[02:18:10] <usney> it was n4dir
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• 153[02:18:14] <usney> Aug 24 16:36:57 <n4dir> gpm or similar will create mose like copy paste in cli
• 154[02:18:14] <usney> Aug 24 16:38:01 <n4dir> i usually get away with cat; grep, reditection; etc
• 155[02:18:14] <awal1> i'm half hal. fifty gui fifty cli
• 156[02:18:27] <awal1> "why pull the cart if you have horses"
• 157[02:19:08] <usney> well in this case it works faster especially on an older machine
• 158[02:19:27] <[Awaxx]> GPM is to handle mouse in a console... not an Xterminal
• 159[02:19:45] <usney> yes I am using CLI only
• 160[02:19:51] <[Awaxx]> I see
• 161[02:19:55] <usney> console only no gui
• 162[02:20:14] <usney> I have on my newest laptop a gui
• 163[02:21:04] <[Awaxx]> then learn about GPM, bash, grep....
• 164[02:21:49] <usney> just on my old laptop I have no gui well I do have openbox and midori but that only for searching for info maybe I will switch to lynx some day
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• 166[02:22:35] <[Awaxx]> grep is a lil useless if you planned to use bash... as bash already handles regular expression
• 167[02:22:49] <usney> nice
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• 228[03:44:47] <michael2> Ive installed xinit, when I run `startx' I get a xterm in a minimal desktop environment, but it doesn't seem that any of the scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ have run? why is that?
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• 230[03:47:07] <Tom-_> not sure, which ones do you think aren't running?
• 231[03:47:20] <Tom-_> like gnome and such? you have to install gnome first
• 232[03:47:41] <Tom-_> !install gnome
• 233[03:47:42] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
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• 258[04:21:14] <michael2> Tom-_: I dont think any of the /etc/X11/Xsession* scripts are running?
• 259[04:21:50] <Tom-_> yeah but why? it sounds like you just need to install a desktop if you want one
• 260[04:21:51] <michael2> e.g. I don't have the environment variables: like GPG_AGENT_INFO, SSH_AUTH_SOCK
• 261[04:22:19] <Tom-_> hmm, that'd be pretty rare for that to happen
• 262[04:22:26] <michael2> yes, _why_ - thats what I want to kow
• 263[04:22:35] <Tom-_> are you running startx or xinit to start your X?
• 264[04:22:45] <michael2> yes `startx'
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• 266[04:23:45] <michael2> according to debian wiki. startx causes those scripts to run
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• 273[04:26:33] <michael2> how can I backtrace this? strace? Xlog?
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• 275[04:26:42] <michael2> X server log files?
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• 278[04:27:10] <apollojustice> daily reminder jmanfatty stuck his e-penis into an e-crackwhore who called him Daddy and wanted him to hurt her: replaced-url
• 279[04:27:43] <bazhang> apollojustice, is that appropriate
• 280[04:27:47] <Tom-_> !ops apollojustice is trolling
• 281[04:27:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: tom-_ complains about a problem (see above)
• 282[04:27:52] <apollojustice> not appropriate
• 283[04:28:00] <apollojustice> honest mistake, was meant for a different network
• 284[04:28:01] <apollojustice> lmfao
• 285[04:28:05] <bazhang> so please stop
• 286[04:28:41] <Tom-_> michael2, i don't know, it seems too complicated to use strace on
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• 288[04:28:51] <Tom-_> you can try just running Xsession and seeing what happens
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• 291[04:29:24] <Tom-_> i meant /etc/X11/Xsession
• 292[04:29:39] <michael2> Tom-_: also strace - where would it send its output to?
• 293[04:30:44] <michael2> Tom-_: how would I run /etc/X11/Xsession scripts? source them from my login shell, before I `startx' ?
• 294[04:31:11] <Tom-_> strace dumps its output to stderr, but you can use strace -o file to dump it into a file instead
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• 296[04:31:50] <michael2> Tom-_: strace into file is a good idea
• 297[04:32:11] <Tom-_> /etc/X11/Xsession should run everything in Xsession.d for you, but then again so should xinit and startx
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• 299[04:32:44] <Tom-_> strace might work, it used to be that you couldn't use it on X because X was setuid root
• 300[04:32:56] <michael2> yeah, but what starts /etc/X11/Xseession - according to debian wiki - startx should do it
• 301[04:33:21] <michael2> X shouldn't be running as root, right? thats dangerous
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• 303[04:35:41] <michael2> im looking at the X log files in ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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• 305[04:36:30] <michael2> but it has timestamps like: [100773.718] - how can I print out these logs - translating the timestamps into human readable?
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• 308[04:38:11] <michael2> Tom-_: ah I think I found the problem: you need a file ~/.xsession - not ~/.xinitrc
• 309[04:38:50] <Tom-_> i don't know what the timestamps represent
• 310[04:39:04] <Tom-_> i think you should be able to have both
• 311[04:39:50] <Tom-_> dpkg, .xinitrc
• 312[04:39:50] <dpkg> The optional customisation script ~/.xinitrc is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1).
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• 319[04:44:59] <Tom-_> michael2, it used to be that X was setuid root because it had to have direct hardware access to the video card in order to function
• 320[04:46:14] <michael2> but it doesn't anymore though, right?
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• 323[04:51:28] <Tom-_> apparently not, due to systemd somehow
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• 345[05:26:33] <neminem> hello everybody!!! how are you today??
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• 349[05:30:39] <neminem> anybody online?
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• 358[05:49:49] <sadsagfjg_> Hi, my system didnt find my wifi adaptor. how i can fix it?
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• 362[05:53:11] <sadsagfjg_> ?
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• 373[06:14:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1061
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• 377[06:20:27] <jimm> sadsagfjg_, try:lspci -nn | grep -i net
• 378[06:20:43] <jimm> first, how many lines do you get?
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• 380[06:21:52] <jimm> sadsagfjg_, are you still here?
• 381[06:24:03] <sadsagfjg_> jimm: yeah
• 382[06:24:14] <jimm> ok,
• 383[06:24:42] <sadsagfjg_> 0:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232]
• 384[06:25:07] <sadsagfjg_> jimm: thats command
• 385[06:25:17] <jimm> ok
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• 387[06:25:41] <jimm> ,pciid [8086:4232]
• 388[06:25:42] <judd> [8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 389[06:26:39] <jimm> ok... could you run ifconfig -a and tell me what interface names (on the left) you get?
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• 391[06:27:17] <sadsagfjg_> jimm: bash: ifconfig: command not found
• 392[06:27:41] <jimm> ok howbout: ls /sys/class/net
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• 394[06:28:05] <jimm> (ifconfig is old anyway)
• 395[06:28:28] <sadsagfjg_> jimm: enp0s25 lo
• 396[06:28:28] <themill> and in /sbin (not in PATH)
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• 398[06:29:02] <jimm> ok, so you're not getting the ethernet interface
• 399[06:29:05] <jimm> sec
• 400[06:29:36] <sadsagfjg_> I have internet with lan cable
• 401[06:29:44] <sadsagfjg_> but i dont have internet with wifi
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• 403[06:30:18] <jim> oh good
• 404[06:30:31] <jim> then you can pastebin
• 405[06:30:46] <jim> do you have nc installed?
• 406[06:30:57] <jim> (package is netcat)
• 407[06:31:00] <sadsagfjg_> jim: what is nc?
• 408[06:31:08] <sadsagfjg_> no i dont have
• 409[06:31:25] <jim> ok, could you try installing it: apt install netcat
• 410[06:31:41] <sadsagfjg_> jim: now installed
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• 412[06:31:56] <jim> ok good...
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• 415[06:32:36] <jim> could you run: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 # this will pastebin your dmesg
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• 418[06:33:15] <jim> I'm expecting you don't have the firmware installed
• 419[06:33:29] <jim> once you do, it should start working
• 420[06:34:12] <sadsagfjg_> jim: replaced-url
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• 423[06:34:26] <jim> thanks, this will take a bit
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• 425[06:35:20] <jim> , find iwlwifi-5000-3.ucode
• 426[06:35:24] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 427[06:35:34] <jim> not good :)
• 428[06:35:43] <jim> how new is this laptop?
• 429[06:35:56] <sadsagfjg_> This so old laptop :D
• 430[06:36:08] <sadsagfjg_> but before debian i used xubuntu
• 431[06:36:15] <jim> oh, an old one
• 432[06:36:33] <sadsagfjg_> and with xubuntu i had wifi
• 433[06:36:40] <jim> ok
• 434[06:36:58] <jim> which means it should be possible with the right firmware package
• 435[06:36:59] <sadsagfjg_> But I hate ubuntu :)
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• 437[06:39:21] <sadsagfjg_> jim: so i can fix it?
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• 439[06:39:33] <Unit193> ,v firmware-iwlwifi
• 440[06:39:35] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20180518-1; sid/non-free: 20180518-1
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• 442[06:39:55] <jim> thanks, that's what I was looking for
• 443[06:40:18] <jim> sadsagfjg_, could you... apt install firmware-iwlwifi
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• 445[06:40:56] <sadsagfjg_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate
• 446[06:41:04] <sadsagfjg_> :(
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• 448[06:41:28] <Unit193> Yes, because it is in non-free, and I'd guess you don't have that section enabled.
• 449[06:41:39] <jim> ohh
• 450[06:42:01] <sadsagfjg_> :( oh
• 451[06:42:10] <jim> you'd need to add contrib and nonfree
• 452[06:42:32] <sadsagfjg_> So how? in source.list
• 453[06:42:34] <sadsagfjg_> ?
• 454[06:42:49] <jim> could you: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
• 455[06:42:51] <sadsagfjg_> I tried to edit source.list but i cant
• 456[06:42:53] <jim> yes
• 457[06:43:23] <jim> it's sources.list :)
• 458[06:43:41] <sadsagfjg_> jim: this command didin give me a link :|
• 459[06:43:48] <sadsagfjg_> *didnt
• 460[06:44:24] <jim> maybe your sources.list isn't the exact right file
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• 462[06:45:08] <Unit193> If that file doesn't exist, it could easily be in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
• 463[06:45:08] <jim> could you run: ls -CF /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 464[06:45:26] <jim> yeah :)
• 465[06:45:47] <jim> err actually that wasn't complete
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• 467[06:46:10] <jim> could you run: ls -CF /etc/apt/sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999
• 468[06:47:01] <sadsagfjg_> jim: replaced-url
• 469[06:48:05] <jim> ok, now run this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/base.list | nc termbin.com 9999
• 470[06:49:11] <jim> Unit193, thanks a lot, appreciate your help
• 471[06:49:29] <sadsagfjg_> jim: replaced-url
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• 473[06:49:59] <jim> ok, now:
• 474[06:50:34] <jim> with your favorite text editor, edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/base.list
• 475[06:50:54] <jim> do you see where it says main on the deb (not deb-src) line?
• 476[06:52:03] <Unit193> Generally you'll want those sections to match.
• 477[06:52:09] <sadsagfjg_> jim: what?
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• 479[06:52:29] <jim> sadsagfjg_, what do you like to use to edit text files?
• 480[06:52:44] <sadsagfjg_> jim: geany
• 481[06:52:50] <jim> ok,\
• 482[06:52:52] <sadsagfjg_> jim: but i cant open this
• 483[06:52:53] <sadsagfjg_> :|
• 484[06:53:00] <sadsagfjg_> geany and emacs
• 485[06:53:10] <jim> emacs /etc/apt/sources.list.d/base.list
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• 487[06:53:24] <jim> let's use that :)
• 488[06:53:27] <sadsagfjg_> ok
• 489[06:53:31] <sadsagfjg_> now i open this
• 490[06:53:34] <sadsagfjg_> :)
• 491[06:53:51] <jim> ok, do you see where it says main (twice)?
• 492[06:54:03] <sadsagfjg_> deb replaced-url
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• 494[06:54:19] <jim> Unit193, ok, we'll do it that way
• 495[06:54:55] <sadsagfjg_> ?
• 496[06:54:59] <jim> make the top line look like: deb replaced-url
• 497[06:55:18] <jim> and, do the same thing to the next line
• 498[06:55:24] <jim> then save the file
• 499[06:55:58] <sadsagfjg_> you mean just copy and paste this: "deb replaced-url
• 500[06:55:59] <sadsagfjg_> ?
• 501[06:56:21] <jim> that's what it should look like in the file, yes.
• 502[06:56:34] <sadsagfjg_> deb replaced-url
• 503[06:56:41] <sadsagfjg_> this is new
• 504[06:56:45] <sadsagfjg_> i saved
• 505[06:57:05] <jim> also do the same thing to the top line
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• 507[06:57:24] <jim> I see, you made another line
• 508[06:57:47] <sadsagfjg_> deb replaced-url
• 509[06:57:51] <sadsagfjg_> Is this true?
• 510[06:58:25] <jim> ok, delete the line that just has main
• 511[06:58:43] <sadsagfjg_> main?
• 512[06:58:45] <jim> (apt will complain about the dup
• 513[06:58:46] <sadsagfjg_> #?
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• 515[06:58:59] <jim> no, get rid of this line:
• 516[06:59:17] <jim> deb replaced-url
• 517[06:59:21] <sadsagfjg_> delete which line?
• 518[06:59:30] <jim> the one that only has main
• 519[06:59:40] <sadsagfjg_> deb replaced-url
• 520[06:59:42] <sadsagfjg_> >?
• 521[06:59:45] <sadsagfjg_> this?
• 522[06:59:52] <jim> (and not contrib or non-free),,, yes
• 523[07:00:29] <sadsagfjg_> Now i apt update
• 524[07:00:34] <jim> yes
• 525[07:00:50] <sadsagfjg_> Now i install that software
• 526[07:00:55] <jim> yes
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• 528[07:01:13] <sadsagfjg_> Now installed :)
• 529[07:01:14] <jim> do you remember the package name?
• 530[07:01:19] <jim> ok, good
• 531[07:01:39] <jim> now, do ls /sys/class/net
• 532[07:01:47] <jim> and tell us what that says
• 533[07:01:58] <sadsagfjg_> enp0s25 lo
• 534[07:02:10] <jim> ok, could you reboot the laptop
• 535[07:02:18] <sadsagfjg_> ok
• 536[07:02:30] <sadsagfjg_> i will come back
• 537[07:02:38] <jim> (I dunno how else to do that)
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• 539[07:02:45] <jim> ok
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• 542[07:06:50] <sadsagfjg__> jim: WOW MAN THANKS :D
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• 547[07:08:19] <jim> sadsagfjg__, works already?
• 548[07:08:26] <sadsagfjg__> jim: yeah :D
• 549[07:08:32] <jim> great :)
• 550[07:08:58] <jim> took us a few mins to get it going
• 551[07:09:46] <sadsagfjg__> jim: Which program is good for chatting in irc? (i used xchat but xchat now is not in packages of debian)
• 552[07:09:53] <sadsagfjg__> jim: tanks
• 553[07:10:16] <jim> try hexchat
• 554[07:10:29] <jim> xchat is gone, hexchat took its place
• 555[07:11:17] <sadsagfjg__> jim: I like to codding shell for these fixing works
• 556[07:11:29] <sadsagfjg__> but how to learning this commands?
• 557[07:11:50] <jim> it's a lot of information
• 558[07:12:09] <sadsagfjg__> jim: How you learn these?
• 559[07:12:24] <jim> by staying on this channel for years :)
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• 561[07:13:11] <sadsagfjg__> jim: Are you programmer?
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• 563[07:13:17] <jim> yeah
• 564[07:13:28] <jim> I like to write in python
• 565[07:13:29] <sadsagfjg__> which language you codding?
• 566[07:13:36] <sadsagfjg__> Me too LD
• 567[07:13:37] <sadsagfjg__> :D
• 568[07:13:50] <sadsagfjg__> Python :)
• 569[07:14:11] <sadsagfjg__> Django?
• 570[07:14:43] <jim> python's pretty easy, django? no :) I'm writing music drills in python :)_
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• 572[07:15:40] <sadsagfjg__> So nice :) Are you in github? or another sites?
• 573[07:15:50] <jim> github
• 574[07:16:16] <sadsagfjg__> Any link do you have for your page?
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• 576[07:16:57] <jim> well... replaced-url
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• 578[07:17:55] <jim> oh, and I'm doing openacs for the web thing... I like the api
• 579[07:18:37] <sadsagfjg__> jim: which api?
• 580[07:18:56] <jim> openacs db api for one
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• 582[07:19:19] <sadsagfjg__> I think that link of github dont work :(
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• 584[07:19:46] <jim> it has an object, user, group and permission system
• 585[07:20:04] <jim> the link works for me
• 586[07:20:48] <jim> anyway, need to say goodnite now, it's late for me :)
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• 589[07:22:26] <sadsagfjg__> jim: Oh ok man , I should to come to this channel for learning :)
• 590[07:22:27] <jim> good luck with your laptop and your coding projects, glad we could get it going
• 591[07:23:00] <jim> !wifi
• 592[07:23:01] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
• 593[07:23:21] <sadsagfjg__> jim: Thank you bro, good luck
• 594[07:23:26] <sadsagfjg__> jim: whats this?>
• 595[07:23:35] <jim> look at this website: replaced-url
• 596[07:24:07] <sadsagfjg__> jim: Now the wifi working
• 597[07:24:18] <sadsagfjg__> i looked that link
• 598[07:24:45] <jim> it can show you about getting a wireless working
• 599[07:25:07] <sadsagfjg__> jim: yeah,thanks
• 600[07:25:18] <sadsagfjg__> jim: All day you are here?
• 601[07:25:21] <jim> anyway I'm gone :)
• 602[07:25:40] <jim> I most5ly watch ##linux
• 603[07:25:48] <sadsagfjg__> anyway ok :D
• 604[07:25:59] <jim> have fun
• 605[07:26:36] <sadsagfjg__> Come in #gnu
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• 608[07:31:06] <sadsagfjg_> .
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• 615[07:33:40] <sadsagfjg> .
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• 642[08:04:21] <glick> hi
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• 645[08:05:24] <glick> parden when i do a apt upgrade i get warning about ldconfig not being found in the PATH
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• 647[08:05:40] <glick> and start-stop-daemon not being found in path
• 648[08:05:57] <glick> then error: 2 expected programs not found in PATH or not executable
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• 653[08:08:37] <glick> it looks like my $PATH variable doesnt contain /sbin
• 654[08:08:38] <glick> hmm
• 655[08:08:41] <glick> how did that happen?
• 656[08:10:06] <towo^work> you have used su instead of needed su - to become root
• 657[08:10:18] <glick> ahh
• 658[08:10:26] <glick> right-a-roo you are sir
• 659[08:10:28] <glick> thank you
• 660[08:10:34] <towo^work> you should sumetimes read changelogs if you don't use stable
• 661[08:10:41] <towo^work> s/u/o
• 662[08:11:16] <glick> reading changelogs is for wussies
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• 699[09:05:12] <DarsVaeda> how do I create a ssh keypair for a specific user?
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• 708[09:14:58] <Fox> DarsVaeda: su - <user> and then create the keys
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• 710[09:15:35] <jelly> DarsVaeda: to be used by that user to log in elsewhere, or to be used to log in from remote as that user?
• 711[09:15:57] <DarsVaeda> I guess I didn't get something right...
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• 713[09:16:48] <DarsVaeda> I added a user in some software (gitblit) and you can add a pubkey to authenticate to it for unattended checkout but that user just exists in that software not on the server
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• 717[09:18:09] <jelly> DarsVaeda: either that software will have to either run its own copy of sshd on a different port, or that user will have to be visible (created) for your normal ssh service somehow
• 718[09:18:34] <jelly> remove one "either", I can't Enlgish
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• 722[09:23:29] <DarsVaeda> I see, I think I can't authenticate that way then
• 723[09:23:31] <DarsVaeda> thanks :)
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• 780[10:11:45] <zxd> hi
• 781[10:11:50] <queip> Hello. I have quite serious problem with upgrade. Machine was offline for about a week, and now, when I try: apt-get upgrade I got an error:
• 782[10:11:52] <queip> Reading package lists... Done
• 783[10:11:52] <queip> Building dependency tree
• 784[10:11:53] <queip> Reading state information... Done
• 785[10:11:55] <queip> You might want to run 'apt --fix-broken install' to correct these.
• 786[10:11:55] *** queip was kicked by debhelper (flood)
• 787[10:12:01] <zxd> when building package how to tell it to look at DEBIAN build usr/local ...
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• 790[10:12:09] <queip> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
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• 793[10:13:02] <queip> Hello. I have quite serious problem with upgrade. Machine was offline for about a week, and now, when I try: apt-get upgrade I got an error: replaced-url
• 794[10:14:10] <queip> When I tried apt --fix-broken install I got: replaced-url
• 795[10:14:22] <Fox> queip: what version of debian ?
• 796[10:14:33] <queip> Fox, testing.
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• 799[10:15:29] <Fox> queip: you should go to #debain-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 801[10:15:47] <queip> Ok. Thx.
• 802[10:16:21] <Fox> you're welcome
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• 867[11:14:54] <no_gravity> There is a gpartedbin task running on my machine that I cannot kill.
• 868[11:14:59] <no_gravity> How would you guys go about it?
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• 870[11:15:16] <no_gravity> It is in state 'Zl+'.
• 871[11:15:28] <BraveHand> Does anyone know of a Free/Libre PDF to Word conversion tool for Debian?
• 872[11:15:52] <no_gravity> Ha, it went away!
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• 886[11:25:36] <Iridos> you cannot kill Zombies…
• 887[11:25:45] <Iridos> you can reboot or leave them alone
• 888[11:26:31] <Habbie> or have them reaped
• 889[11:26:35] <Habbie> by the parent
• 890[11:27:17] <choice> Hello! It's linux installation day :)
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• 892[11:27:32] <choice> Should I boot my Linux stick in UEFI mode or in normal mode?
• 893[11:31:19] <petn-randall> choice: It should all be covered in the installation guide. If you want to boot your installation later in UEFI mode, you also need to boot the installer in UEFI mode.
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• 895[11:31:42] <choice> petn-randall: I have no idea which mode I want. I just want to use Debian.
• 896[11:31:48] <choice> Does one of the two boot faster?
• 897[11:32:28] <petn-randall> choice: No. If you don't know what to pick, go with UEFI mode. Just make sure to disable 'secure boot', and any other compatibility settings in your BIOS.
• 898[11:33:03] <choice> Ok
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• 900[11:34:35] <choice> Can I have two encrypted Linux versions using the same boot partition?
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• 902[11:38:39] <Neo_Chen> choice: Yes you can
• 903[11:39:07] <choice> Neo_Chen: How would I do that?
• 904[11:39:10] <choice> It seems the custom partition tool does not support encryption?
• 905[11:39:52] <Neo_Chen> choice: You may need a Live System and install manually with debootstrap(1)
• 906[11:40:04] <Neo_Chen> choice: If the install don't have it
• 907[11:40:51] <Neo_Chen> choice: Did you read every available option in the installer?
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• 921[11:56:59] <usney> does anybody know about rtorrent?
• 922[11:57:01] <usney> Using 'epoll' based polling.
• 923[11:57:09] <usney> what does that mean? ^^
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• 935[12:00:49] <petn-randall> usney: 'man 7 epoll'
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• 946[12:06:31] <webmind> hi, not sure if it's the right place to ask, but I'd like to set my network device fixed on 100mbit (upstream requirement) is there a way with systemd-networkd to do this when the interface comes up?
• 947[12:06:58] <webmind> don't see an option for it in the documentation or a way to run a script
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• 951[12:12:53] <unmy> webmind, replaced-url
• 952[12:13:12] <kaiser> hello i cant seem to uninstall docker client
• 953[12:13:25] <kaiser> i have ran "sudo apt-get remove docker" and "sudo apt-get purge docker"
• 954[12:13:32] <kaiser> but the docker client is still installed.
• 955[12:14:15] <dwu> was it running when you ran apt-get remove and purge?
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• 957[12:14:27] <kaiser> i believe so, but i stopped it and ran it again
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• 959[12:14:44] <themill> The package isn't called docker
• 960[12:15:07] <kaiser> please enlighten me then
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• 962[12:15:13] <webmind> unmy: I'm using systemd-networkd not ifupdown
• 963[12:16:04] <themill> or at least the *Debian* package is not.... it's also not in any stable release of Debian.
• 964[12:16:11] <petn-randall> kaiser: Did you install it from Debian or from somewhere else?
• 965[12:16:36] <bites> it's either docker-ce if it's from upstream or docker.io if it's from debian.
• 966[12:17:09] <kaiser> petn-randall: debian repos
• 967[12:17:26] <petn-randall> kaiser: Weird, since it's not in stable. Which Debian release are you running?
• 968[12:17:35] <dwu> there's a package named docker in sid, at least
• 969[12:17:35] <kaiser> E: Unable to locate package docker-ce
• 970[12:17:48] <kaiser> Package 'docker.io' is not installed, so not removed
• 971[12:17:56] <kaiser> im on stretch
• 972[12:18:18] <themill> might be worth remembering how you installed docker at this stage ;)
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• 974[12:18:29] <petn-randall> kaiser: What does `which docker` return. Also what themill said.
• 975[12:18:36] <babilen> kaiser: What does "dpkg -S $(which docker)" give you?
• 976[12:18:47] <kaiser> /usr/bin/docker
• 977[12:18:56] <kaiser> re; which docker
• 978[12:19:10] <babilen> (assuming you use bash, adjust for fish et al)
• 979[12:19:24] <kaiser> yay
• 980[12:19:33] <kaiser> that command revealed the culprit
• 981[12:19:35] <kaiser> docker-engine
• 982[12:19:40] <babilen> There you go
• 983[12:19:41] <kaiser> there, its uninstalled
• 984[12:19:47] <kaiser> i was getting some serious anxiety
• 985[12:19:55] <bites> oh, that's old.
• 986[12:19:57] <kaiser> well i still am since i dont understand docker's devicemapper or the such
• 987[12:20:09] <kaiser> docker-engine is old?
• 988[12:20:26] <bites> a bit.
• 989[12:20:46] <kaiser> that explains some issues with commands in the docker documentation not working for me
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• 1000[12:30:18] <kaiser> i have a ton of loopback devices from my old docker install
• 1001[12:30:26] <kaiser> how would i go among removing them?
• 1002[12:30:39] <kaiser> i been trying to do this for the past 2 hours and still havent figured it out
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• 1017[12:37:13] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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• 1019[12:37:48] <ychaouche> I noticed that nginx has a sites-enabled and sites-available directories, I was wondering if there were similar commands like for apache like a2ensite and a2dissite ?
• 1020[12:38:29] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.83] ~ # ls /usr/sbin/*site
• 1021[12:38:29] <ychaouche> ls: cannot access '/usr/sbin/*site': No such file or directory
• 1022[12:38:30] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.83] ~ #
• 1023[12:39:01] <JustASlacker> nah
• 1024[12:39:01] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.83] ~ # find /usr/bin/ -name "*site*"
• 1025[12:39:01] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.83] ~ # find /usr/sbin/ -name "*site*"
• 1026[12:39:01] <ychaouche> root@messagerie[192.168.100.83] ~ #
• 1027[12:39:12] <JustASlacker> just do ln -s
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• 1029[12:40:26] <webmind> found it, in man systemd.link
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• 1049[12:58:37] <peedabee> webmind, this should be configurable under the [Link] section
• 1050[12:58:46] <webmind> hmm, hmm, the network configuration page has nothing yet on networkd. If I would add that, should that be in that page or in a seperate page?
• 1051[12:58:56] <webmind> peedabee: you found it, thanks :)
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• 1053[12:59:18] <peedabee> webmind, np
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• 1071[13:16:55] <pragomer> need help with file permissions: I have files on my synology nas that is connected via cifs protocol. some folders arent acessable and the permissions show only dashes (like 000). although I can chmod 775 to them without error return, these files keep their 000 permissions
• 1072[13:16:57] <pragomer> any tips?
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• 1078[13:21:15] <petn-randall> pragomer: Seems like the config of your NAS is broken. You might want to check their documentation or support about it.
• 1079[13:22:03] <pragomer> seems so.. when I ssh to the synoly, the broken folders have owner 1000 instead of MYUSERNAMEOFNAS
• 1080[13:22:07] <pragomer> weird..
• 1081[13:22:35] <pragomer> but i could now chown -R MYUSERNAME:users to all my folders, which will hopefully fix this
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• 1084[13:24:36] <RoyK> pragomer: id -a should show your (new?) UID - just run find /somedir -user 1000 -exec chown yourusername {} \;
• 1085[13:25:14] <RoyK> pragomer: same with groupid/GID
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• 1103[13:51:30] <choice> Which vim should I install when I only use it on the command like? vim? vim-gtk3? vim-tiny? vim-gtk? vim-nox? vim-athena? neovim?
• 1104[13:51:38] <Habbie> vim-nox
• 1105[13:51:42] <Habbie> or, my personal preference, nvi
• 1106[13:52:10] <choice> Habbie: What is vim-nox compared to vim?
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• 1108[13:52:44] <Habbie> huh, i was wrong
• 1109[13:52:51] <Habbie> vim-nox is like vim but with scripting languages
• 1110[13:53:13] <choice> ok, so 'vim'?
• 1111[13:53:27] <Habbie> should be fine
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• 1113[13:54:41] <choice> ok
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• 1115[13:55:19] <choice> vim alone is 32MB. Unbelievable.
• 1116[13:55:33] <ralpheeee> just curious as to why on my fresh install of debian i have tripple the amount of package numbers installed compared to another distro with exactly the same packages
• 1117[13:55:49] <choice> ralpheeee: How do you count?
• 1118[13:56:38] <ralpheeee> choice: 'dpkg --list | wc --lines
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• 1121[13:56:48] <ralpheeee> '
• 1122[13:56:55] <petn-randall> ralpheeee: What does package numbers mean to you?
• 1123[13:57:03] <choice> ralpheeee: How many do you have?
• 1124[13:57:15] <ralpheeee> 1300
• 1125[13:57:46] <petn-randall> ralpheeee: Is bigger or smaller better to you?
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• 1129[13:59:17] <ralpheeee> just really wondering looking for more insight on apt is managing the packages
• 1130[13:59:30] <ralpheeee> *how
• 1131[14:00:25] <ralpheeee> silly really to compare apple / oranges....will def look further into the workings of apt
• 1132[14:01:38] <petn-randall> ralpheeee: Yeah, package numbers mean nothing. It could be that other distros are just splitting up software on a finer/coarser scale.
• 1133[14:02:06] <ralpheeee> ^^
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• 1135[14:02:55] <ralpheeee> i did a net install and really wanted to seen how lean i could get ....obviously i failed somewhere....lol
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• 1139[14:03:42] <ralpheeee> really to focus on how apt is handling / splitting the depenencies
• 1140[14:04:01] <djfn> can someone tell me a command to set the US layout in the console?
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• 1145[14:05:16] <petn-randall> djfn: `loadkeys us`
• 1146[14:05:34] <petn-randall> djfn: That's not permanent, and only for that terminal
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• 1149[14:06:21] <petn-randall> djfn: If you want it permanent, you can set it with `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout`.
• 1150[14:06:49] <djfn> now i need to type that via alt codes first
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• 1154[14:08:22] <tdn> What is the easiest way of getting ripgrep in Debian 9? (replaced-url
• 1155[14:08:29] <djfn> oof
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• 1158[14:09:38] <petn-randall> ,v ripgrep
• 1159[14:09:39] <judd> Package: ripgrep on amd64 -- sid: 0.9.0-3
• 1160[14:09:47] <petn-randall> !ssb
• 1161[14:09:47] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1162[14:09:55] <petn-randall> tdn: ^^^
• 1163[14:11:39] <bites> ,checkbackport ripgrep
• 1164[14:11:54] <bites> whew.
• 1165[14:12:05] <judd> Backporting package ripgrep in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dh-cargo (>= 6), cargo:native, librust-atty-0.2+default-dev (>= 0.2.11~~), librust-bytecount-0.3+default-dev (>= 0.3.1~~), librust-clap-2+color-dev (>= 2.29.4~~), librust-clap-2+suggestions-dev (>= 2.29.4~~), librust-encoding-rs-0.8+default-dev, librust-encoding-rs-io-0.1+default-dev, librust-
• 1166[14:12:06] <judd> globset-0.4+default-dev, librust-grep-0.1+default-dev (>= 0.1.8~~), librust-ignore-0.4+default-dev, librust-lazy-static-1+default-dev, librust-libc-0.2+default-dev, librust-log-0.4+default-dev, librust-memchr-2+default-dev, librust-memmap-0.6+default-dev, librust-num-cpus-1+default-dev, librust-regex-1+default-dev, librust-same-file-1+default-dev, librust-termcolor-1+default-dev, librust-winapi-0.3 (1 more message)
• 1167[14:12:42] <bites> well, that's no fun.
• 1168[14:13:30] <darxmurf> what's the best option to check if NFS is answering on a remote system ? I have 10 machines exporting a specific folder. Then one server mounting each machine on demand with autofs. The problem is, sometimes one of the machine is down and then the server act like crazy because of the mounted folder not accessible. The idea now is to have a script which checks every 2 min if all the NFS machines are
• 1169[14:13:36] <darxmurf> answering and if not, comment the line in the autofs conf and restart the service
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• 1171[14:13:47] <bites> tdn: i guess follow upstream instructions.
• 1172[14:13:52] <darxmurf> I can see that with remote rpcbind but it's a bit unclean no ?
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• 1175[14:15:33] <tdn> bites, I see there is a .deb available on the upstream website. But not sure if it will work on debian 9
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• 1179[14:19:45] <bites> hard to say. i'm also not familiar with rust.
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• 1182[14:20:54] <bites> they don't say what release it was built from. but it doesn't look like it has any dependencies.
• 1183[14:20:54] <petn-randall> tdn: You might want to have a look at 'ack' or silversurfer. They can both do that.
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• 1193[14:37:00] <darxmurf> which port is checked when you do a: rpcbind -u <ip> nfs 4 ?
• 1194[14:37:06] <darxmurf> nfs port is open on the remote machine
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• 1196[14:37:33] <kaiser> how can i remove unused block devices? an outdated version of docker made a ton
• 1197[14:37:46] <kaiser> they are all 11gb each
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• 1203[14:40:14] <darxmurf> port 111 is open too
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• 1223[14:54:52] <choice> Strange, my /etc/bash.bashrc does not get executed when I start a new terminal.
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• 1225[14:55:22] <choice> Any ideas why?
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• 1227[14:55:52] <JustASlacker> bash.barc ?
• 1228[14:56:08] <choice> JustASlacker: What do you mean?
• 1229[14:56:41] <JustASlacker> sorry
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• 1231[14:56:54] <JustASlacker> isnt the systemwide bashrc only used if there is no bashrc in ~ ?
• 1232[14:57:06] <choice> There is no bashrc in ~.
• 1233[14:57:22] <choice> Oh, there is!
• 1234[14:57:45] <choice> Removed it. Now it works.
• 1235[14:58:12] <JustASlacker> \o/
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• 1237[14:59:05] <choice> Things are getting better :)
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• 1242[15:07:32] <tdn> petn-randall, not sure what ack and silversurfer is?
• 1243[15:07:50] <Habbie> silver searcher
• 1244[15:07:51] <Habbie> not silver surfer
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• 1246[15:09:32] <JustASlacker> silversufer would be awesome
• 1247[15:09:45] <JustASlacker> ack --bar
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• 1249[15:10:38] <JustASlacker> they are grep improvements
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• 1273[15:25:41] <eirc> anyone got an idea on how I could go about editing text files on my vps server from my phone?
• 1274[15:25:55] <dgp> ssh
• 1275[15:26:03] <eirc> & vim ?
• 1276[15:26:13] <dgp> whatever floats your boat
• 1277[15:26:26] <eirc> on phone that would be a bit tough to use tho
• 1278[15:26:59] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 1279[15:27:00] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 1280[15:27:12] <petn-randall> eirc: Why do you want to edit text files via your phone?
• 1281[15:28:24] <JustASlacker> what kind of phone
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• 1284[15:28:33] <JustASlacker> I have termux on my android tablet
• 1285[15:28:38] <JustASlacker> so I can ssh into my server
• 1286[15:28:40] <dgp> eirc: almost all versions of android allow for a usb keyboard
• 1287[15:28:43] <JustASlacker> + bluetooth keyboard
• 1288[15:28:55] <JustASlacker> there is also vim for android
• 1289[15:29:09] <JustASlacker> but this is #debian
• 1290[15:29:12] <bites> juicessh gives you extra keyboard rows for things like esc, arrow keys.
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• 1292[15:30:02] <eirc> ok so I have a journal/notes system comprised of simple text files I sync around through dropbox. I'd like to be able to edit those from my android phone
• 1293[15:30:26] <JustASlacker> dropbox comes with a text editor
• 1294[15:30:32] <dgp> eirc: you could edit them on the phone with whatever editor you like and use dropbox to do the sync
• 1295[15:30:49] <petn-randall> eirc: Ok, so what part of your issue is related to Debian?
• 1296[15:31:14] <eirc> I got a debian server where I can host any solution for that
• 1297[15:31:18] <eirc> :D
• 1298[15:31:55] <petn-randall> eirc: You don't have an issue there, though.
• 1299[15:32:00] <JustASlacker> I really fail to see the proplem anyway. there are millions of file explorers and text editor for android
• 1300[15:32:29] <petn-randall> eirc: Your actually asking for a good text editor on your phone, but you also said those are tough to use.
• 1301[15:32:35] <petn-randall> *You're
• 1302[15:32:54] <eirc> yea I've tried them in the past and found the text editors kinda crappy, I'll give em a try again maybe they've gotten better
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• 1304[15:33:20] <JustASlacker> it really helps if you got a keyboard
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• 1306[15:33:23] <eirc> had some issues with the file extensions iirc
• 1307[15:34:04] <JustASlacker> give termux a try replaced-url
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• 1329[15:45:24] <webuser5224> Does anyone else have the problem where they can't join this channel via Matrix? It's the only one of my channels that tells me I have not been invited when I try to join. Thanks!
• 1330[15:45:40] <eirc> ok so the issue i originally had with android was that it has some beef with non .txt text files. I keep these notes in adoc format (asciidoctor) but even thought that's simple ascii text android doesn't want to edit them. so I was thinking of hosting a simple web app and a web editor (replaced-url
• 1331[15:45:40] <eirc> ebian
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• 1350[16:10:39] <twobitsprite> So, I'm delving in to the world of snaps... I'm trying to install the helm client, and it's only available as a snap or as a tarball, so I figured I'd try the snap version... I got snapd installed (running Buster, btw) and I ran "sudo snap install helm". It says it installed it, but I don't have a helm command in my path...
• 1351[16:10:43] <EdePopede> ``apt-cache search ifconfig`` gives me 11 hits. one of them is ``inetutils-tools``. now ``ping`` is the only cli version of classic nettools that seems to be installed, is from inetutils-ping. i am also missing ``dig``. probably many more. so which should i install to have a consistent set? because of ping i'd say `inetutils-*`. are there more? no idea, there doesn't seem to be a replacement for `aptitude
• 1352[16:10:43] <EdePopede> search ^inetutils`
• 1353[16:11:07] <twobitsprite> is there something else I need to do to get a snap installed or enabled? I tried "sudo snap enable helm" and it says it's already enabled
• 1354[16:11:08] <RoyK> don't bother about ifconfig - just use the ip command
• 1355[16:11:16] <RoyK> ifconfig is deprecated
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• 1361[16:14:10] <EdePopede> RoyK: ifconfig had a nice output for loopback followed by eth0. the output of `ip route` is horrible. machine readable, but not meant to be used by humans. is there a fronted to it?
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• 1364[16:14:30] <mobile_c> is this normal?
• 1365[16:14:32] <mobile_c> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1366[16:14:46] <mobile_c> replaced-url
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• 1369[16:15:10] <RoyK> EdePopede: erm - time to update your knowledge a bit ;)
• 1370[16:15:11] <ayekat> EdePopede: `ip route` is for showing routes, so lo won't usually show up there
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• 1376[16:16:57] <EdePopede> ayekat: even the 2 lines for my eth don't align. one has `52.0/22`, next is `0.0/16`. everything following is out of sync. lo is just one of the things i'm missing (hint: dig)
• 1377[16:17:26] <EdePopede> and if i try a wildcard searc on packages it spams my terminal even with games^^
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• 1379[16:18:26] <RoyK> anything else you want to complain about?
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• 1382[16:19:28] <ayekat> "align" how? or what do you mean with "out of sync"? again, lo won't show up in the routing table - run ip link or ip address if you want to list your interfaces
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• 1385[16:19:37] <EdePopede> `apt search ping` overfills my terminal, and when i try to get the formatted output of `aptitude search` with `dpkg -l ping` it only lists a virtual package without naming it as such
• 1386[16:20:15] <EdePopede> align: table. like ls does. things from the same column are printed below each other
• 1387[16:20:23] <mobile_c> RUN set -x; echo deb replaced-url
• 1388[16:20:25] <mobile_c> dpkg --add-architecture ppc64el && apt-get update
• 1389[16:20:25] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new mips palace
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• 1391[16:20:45] <mobile_c> o.o
• 1392[16:20:56] <mobile_c> mips palace @-@
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• 1394[16:21:36] <EdePopede> i have ebven problems reading the output of `mount`, especially with all those system entries (lots of cgroups now, even an a new install :o)
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• 1398[16:22:21] <ayekat> EdePopede: findmnt
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• 1400[16:22:43] <cariveri> Hi for debian 9.5 whats the proper use: apachectl, apache2ctl, service apache2, apache2 ? or what ? its hell of a mess.
• 1401[16:23:04] <EdePopede> that's what i actually used over the last years :)
• 1402[16:24:06] <FinalX> depends on what you want to do.
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• 1404[16:24:34] <FinalX> systemctl {start|stop|reload|restart} apache2 # to control it through systemd; apache2ctl is apache's own tool, which can do different things like checking syntax and stuff.
• 1405[16:24:56] <FinalX> "service" is a sysvinit thing, and systemd is the default since jessie.
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• 1407[16:25:28] <ayekat> EdePopede: as for the ip output format, I think it's a matter of habitude/personal preference - I prefer the way ip formats its output, but perhaps that's just because I got used to it by now
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• 1410[16:25:38] <ayekat> (after all, ifconfig has been deprecated for years...)
• 1411[16:25:43] <FinalX> ...and "apache2" is the actual daemon, which is started through systemd with the proper arguments/parameters.. so don't use that to start it seperately
• 1412[16:26:01] <EdePopede> (my old system has been deprecated for years *cough*)
• 1413[16:26:17] <cariveri> FinalX: so you suggest useing systemctl start apache2 ?
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• 1416[16:28:23] <FinalX> if you just want to start apache, then yes.. as with any other service in the system, use systemctl
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• 1473[17:08:53] <EdePopede> so, can i get a short list of packages when i know only a part of the package name?
• 1474[17:09:14] <jelly-home> EdePopede: apt-cache search part ?
• 1475[17:09:59] <jelly-home> if you want a nicer output that only shows package names or only searches package names, you may have to use aptitude search
• 1476[17:10:15] <EdePopede> jelly-home: `apt-cache search ping` -> `late - simple game of capturing balls` and tons more of such spam
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• 1479[17:11:10] <EdePopede> search was exactly the first thing i tried, like i did with aptitude. i only thought it would be possible to do everything with all the other tools
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• 1481[17:11:22] <greycat> apt-cache search --names-only yourpart
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• 1484[17:14:15] <EdePopede> far better. but it confuses me: with `ping` i still get a lot of noise (ibus-table-jyutping), much beter with `^ping` (4 entries, but including inetutils-ping). have to check how it works
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• 1490[17:15:42] <jelly-home> EdePopede: but ibus-table-jyutping contains ping
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• 1492[17:16:42] <EdePopede> jelly-home, right. it was only an example for all the useless lines i try to get rid of with '^'. and `man 7 regex` says: '^' (matching the null string at the beginning of a line)
• 1493[17:16:44] <ralpheeee> anyone know how to increase the font sizes in libreoffice toolbar / menu's replaced-url
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• 1495[17:17:07] <greycat> clearly the argument you're passing is not being applied as a regex against the whole package name
• 1496[17:17:09] <EdePopede> that's what i don't get, shouldn't it show only package names starting with EXPR when i use '^EXPR'?
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• 1500[17:18:07] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache show iputils-ping | grep Provides
• 1501[17:18:08] <greycat> Provides: ping
• 1502[17:18:17] <EdePopede> but what's the difference between ibus-table-jyutping and inetutils-ping? one is shown only without '^', the other one both times
• 1503[17:18:29] <greycat> "if --names-only is given then the long description is not searched, only the package name and provided packages are"
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• 1506[17:19:12] <EdePopede> then --names-only is a bad choice, i was expecting a choice based on the name only (as the option name suggests)
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• 1508[17:19:42] <EdePopede> so isn't there a real alternative to 'aptitude search ^EXPR'?
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• 1511[17:20:22] <greycat> The results that I get from "apt-cache search --names-only ping" seem useful.
• 1512[17:20:28] <jelly-home> EdePopede: you can always refine with grep.
• 1513[17:20:32] <jelly-home> apt-cache search 'ping'|grep '\bping'
• 1514[17:20:38] <EdePopede> ch. 2.2.2 of the reference has a table with some comparison, aptitude why/why-not also does seem to be unique
• 1515[17:21:32] <EdePopede> hm. i was hoping to get around such helpers.
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• 1518[17:22:29] <jelly-home> do you care about solving an issue, or about picking the prettiest tool
• 1519[17:22:31] <greycat> The results from "... ^ping" or "... | grep ^ping" seem much less useful.
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• 1522[17:23:35] <jelly-home> (I have no idea why apt-cache search doesn't do anything useful with '\bping' or '\<ping', and '^ping' can be too specific
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• 1525[17:27:00] <greycat> apt-cache search '(^|-)ping' is fairly good
• 1526[17:27:17] <greycat> it's still missing a lot of the "positive" answers from "apt-cache search ping", though
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• 1534[17:32:28] <throwthecheese> Is there a way to "sandbox" regional settings?
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• 1537[17:33:10] <greycat> I want to give a straight answer involving the local env vars, but I have a funny feeling you're talking about GUI crap.
• 1538[17:33:11] <throwthecheese> I want to use a program that requires decimal POINTS but I don't want to modify my regional settings. How do I solve this in a sandboxed way?
• 1539[17:33:31] <greycat> LC_NUMERIC=C ...
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• 1557[17:44:08] <choice> Hello! I am trying the Mate Desktop and I see that you can style
• 1558[17:44:19] <choice> some stuff in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
• 1559[17:44:27] <choice> Is there a list of all styles one can apply?
• 1560[17:44:33] <choice> It seems its not like css in html.
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• 1566[17:52:52] <EdePopede> ok, i tried another approach for the moment. since searching for 'ping' will also bring up 'pingus' and i am more behind cli networking tools i borrowed some tags from `ping` and did `debtags search 'interface::commandline && role::program && protocol::ip && scope::utility'` with a much better bycatch. but then i tried to do `dpkg -l` with some of the packages and there's getting weird again: (tbc)
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• 1572[17:56:09] <EdePopede> "no packages found matching tcpick", same for socat et.al. but works nicely with arping and fping. but then again: 'dpkg-query: no packages found matching dsniff'. but 'apt-cache show' has a record on it. so it's not a virtual package question as i first thought.
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• 1588[18:09:03] <jelly> EdePopede: dpkg only tracks what's installed and what's in /var/lib/dpkg/available, and that "available" file is usually out of date these days because everything uses apt
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• 1593[18:09:41] <jelly> !available
• 1594[18:09:41] <dpkg> If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update".
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• 1601[18:14:15] <ralpheeee> is there a wiki on how to improve compile times?
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• 1603[18:14:35] <greycat> Write less code.
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• 1608[18:19:01] <ralpheeee> so parallel compilation & architecture-specific optimizations are a no go?
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• 1611[18:20:09] <queip> ralpheeee: ccache
• 1612[18:20:13] <queip> for recompilations
• 1613[18:20:38] <EdePopede> uh. apt, dpkg, dselect. i a REALLY missing the big picture in the handbook and the reference. here's chapters 5 (packaging principles) and 6 (apt tools), there chapter 2 which includes a lot of internals. and yes, i try not to mix things (used aptitude for search, install, purge) especially when it is about writing things.‌‌ but when to use what?
• 1614[18:21:04] <ralpheeee> queip: yeah thats already setup
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• 1617[18:22:16] <ralpheeee> would be at least nice to maximise all cores
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• 1623[18:28:04] <djfn> btw is there a way to fix dpkg if the lists of the installed files are gone?
• 1624[18:28:41] <jelly> djfn: is /var/lib/dpkg/status still there?
• 1625[18:28:48] <djfn> yes
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• 1627[18:28:58] <jelly> you can reinstall every package
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• 1633[18:35:05] <EdePopede> and is there a tool that shows me in what package a command is? i am missing `dig`. i know there is google, but i don't want to read this in an ubuntu forum, i prefer self-containment. iirc there is something i could install that then shows me everything available in the repos?
• 1634[18:35:18] <greycat> if you already have it, dpkg -S filename
• 1635[18:35:28] <greycat> if you don't already have it, apt-file, or judd, or packages.debian.org
• 1636[18:35:38] <jelly> ,file bin/dig
• 1637[18:35:42] <judd> Search for bin/dig in stretch/amd64: dnsutils: usr/bin/dig; knot-dnsutils: usr/bin/dig
• 1638[18:35:46] <EdePopede> never heard of judd :o
• 1639[18:35:53] <greycat> ^^
• 1640[18:36:04] <EdePopede> and i think it was apt-file. sounds familiar
• 1641[18:36:13] <jelly> !search
• 1642[18:36:13] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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• 1644[18:36:30] <jelly> okay, maybe not that one
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• 1646[18:37:06] <jelly> ,i knot-dnsutils
• 1647[18:37:07] <judd> Package knot-dnsutils (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: Clients provided with Knot DNS (kdig, knslookup, knsupdate). Version: 2.4.0-3+deb9u1; Size: 58.4k; Installed: 194k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1657[18:50:30] <EdePopede> i still have last day images of my old system, dnsutils pck is in archives, but none of the files in /var/cache/apt/apt-file mentions it. so do they include only what is installed *after* apt-file, or why could it be missing there?
• 1658[18:51:20] <greycat> I have no idea what you are actually asking.
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• 1660[18:53:47] <EdePopede> apt-file has the database in /var/cache/apt/apt-file, correct? that is, a list of file->package for each entry in sources-list. i had dnsutils installed on my old system, so it should be in that db, but it isn't. why?
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• 1662[18:54:34] <greycat> apt-file's files should NOT depend on what is or is not installed; it's supposed to be a local alternative to searching p.d.o
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• 1664[18:55:15] <EdePopede> i even find entries for packages like net/globus-gram-job-manager-pbs-setup-poll i've never heard of. but no entry for dnsutils.
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• 1667[18:55:58] <EdePopede> dnsutils should be in main/Contents i think?
• 1668[18:56:07] <greycat> root@megview4:~# apt-file search /usr/bin/dig
• 1669[18:56:11] <greycat> [...] dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig
• 1670[18:57:32] <EdePopede> and the zipped files from that directory is where apt-file gets its info from?
• 1671[18:57:43] <TTT> hi, I'm getting somewhat confused now. I have a dm-crypt crypted device in /etc/crypttab. If I open it via cryptdisks_start when the system is up, it works fine. However, on boot, it gets opened with wrong key or something, and data in it is rubbish
• 1672[18:58:23] <TTT> how do I check exactly what cryptsetup commands get executed in initrd and exactly with what parameters?
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• 1674[18:58:49] <jelly> EdePopede: you have to "apt-file update" every now and then
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• 1677[18:59:23] <jelly> these days, I'm too lazy to even install it and just use the bot
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• 1682[19:01:46] <EdePopede> apt-file is all perl? love this :)
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• 1686[19:02:56] <WiseMonk> Hello, I need some help installing my WiFi Stick. I used the following driver: replaced-url
• 1687[19:03:07] <WiseMonk> so, was the error because I used make without sudo? or what could be the reason
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• 1689[19:03:58] <EdePopede> jelly: this was from my old system (dd root partitions to some data disk isn't a problem any more, 80GB really fit on 4TB :)). i thought it was uptodate all the time. well. but the update is just what the install told me to do. and as a good user i will listen to it :)
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• 1693[19:07:44] <jelly> WiseMonk: if you're asking about issues in Ubuntu, #ubuntu would be the channel to ask them i
• 1694[19:07:47] <jelly> n
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• 1696[19:09:08] <jelly> if they don't answer, be patient. This channel does not deal with issues in Ubuntu (or other downstream derivatives).
• 1697[19:09:47] <WiseMonk> is sudo actually required for a "make" command?
• 1698[19:10:03] <WiseMonk> at least is some cases?
• 1699[19:10:10] <jelly> depends on what comes after "make "
• 1700[19:10:14] <greycat> And before.
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• 1702[19:10:15] <WiseMonk> nothing#
• 1703[19:10:30] <WiseMonk> is "sudo make" = "make"ß
• 1704[19:10:33] <WiseMonk> =
• 1705[19:10:34] <WiseMonk> ?
• 1706[19:10:36] <greycat> And what's in the Makefile, and so on and so on.
• 1707[19:10:40] <jelly> then, in general, no, you probably don't want to build software from source as root
• 1708[19:10:55] <WiseMonk> ok, thanks
• 1709[19:11:25] <jelly> !mt7610u
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• 1712[19:13:59] <jelly> !mt7601u
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• 1714[19:14:09] * jelly gives up
• 1715[19:14:23] <greycat> dpkg[~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg] Factoid search of 'mt76' by key returned no results.
• 1716[19:14:24] <_ymir> Did you get a message saying I was back?
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• 1723[19:18:30] <jelly> _ymir: no, and that's good
• 1724[19:19:36] <jelly> (away and unaway announcements are frowned upon in large, issue oriented channels like this one)
• 1725[19:19:47] <_ymir> jelly: so just then, no messages?
• 1726[19:19:59] <_ymir> I know it's frowned upon, was just making sure it doesn't appear
• 1727[19:20:04] <jelly> yes, no messages
• 1728[19:20:06] <_ymir> someone in another channel wasn't giving me a straight answer
• 1729[19:20:09] <_ymir> ah good, thanks
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• 1776[19:53:33] <djfn> WiseMonk: usually you use fakeroot with make
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• 1780[19:54:18] <masa_> Hi guys, is anyone here familar with the concept of reading values from the motherboard embedded controlelrs?
• 1781[19:56:01] <EdePopede> what. firefox eats 70% of my ram atm, only that didn't just start. but updating the kernel leaves me for minutes with an nonusable system?
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• 1785[20:00:56] <EdePopede> srsly, is this normal? i stardet update, switched to another desktop and just could listen to my hd working. ok, it is the kernel, but i can't remember it was so extreme in the past.
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• 1789[20:03:00] <djfn> maybe your disk is getting full
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• 1798[20:08:20] <Amuza> Hello. New here. I have just downloaded a Debian iso from debian.org but don't manage to find where its correspondant signed hash is. Anyone knows?
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• 1813[20:22:59] <EdePopede> Amuza, something like this at the end of the page? replaced-url
• 1814[20:23:56] <Amuza> EdePopede: Thank you!
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• 1823[20:37:09] <annadane> debian could probably do it better. the verify iso page isn't very clear (i submitted a patch) and the download links don't even take you to the checksums
• 1824[20:39:19] <annadane> i have heard murmurings along the lines of "you don't need to verify, it checks all that in the installer anyway" but i'm not sure
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• 1828[20:42:59] <ksk> a valid installer so to say will use apt magic to check packages, sure
• 1829[20:43:08] <EdePopede> "trust me, i know what i'm doing." [your automated tool]
• 1830[20:43:44] <ksk> but if your iso has been tempered with, *someone* could just add their gpg-keys to apt and install their packages, or do something more deeply hidden, so its a good Idea to verify the ISO.
• 1831[20:44:00] <annadane> hence why it's silly debian makes it difficult to do
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• 1833[20:47:18] <EdePopede> replaced-url
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• 1843[20:54:42] <shakeitup> good evening to some of you good what ever to the rest of you
• 1844[20:55:43] <shakeitup> i was wonder about something.. i have had 'stretch' and 'buster' for update in my sources.list for some time, i just removed it, have i done anything wrong? i only added 'stretch' for updates
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• 1849[20:57:55] <shakeitup> such as deb replaced-url
• 1850[20:58:29] <greycat> if you had both stretch and buster, and you installed things, then you're on buster.
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• 1852[20:59:46] <shakeitup> so no worries?
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• 1854[21:00:01] <shakeitup> thx greycat
• 1855[21:00:08] <greycat> Now that you are on buster, you are stuck on buster (or later) unless you reinstall. You cannot go back to stretch.
• 1856[21:00:18] <shakeitup> donno why you put +r on the channel but.. it kinda sux
• 1857[21:00:42] <greycat> The entire network has been targetted by a spammer for weeks.
• 1858[21:00:48] <shakeitup> yes i am using buster as i installed it
• 1859[21:00:56] <shakeitup> omg horriable
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• 1863[21:01:26] <shakeitup> ok thx for the answer
• 1864[21:01:37] <shakeitup> see you around next time i need some help :)
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• 1868[21:03:29] <EdePopede> since i am on cdo now, 2 questions about jigdo: how long should it take until there is a complete dvd set on my disk, and where does the content initially come from? i mean, at least for *some* users the server should have to seed?
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• 1873[21:08:48] <shakeitup> yo forgot one thing..
• 1874[21:09:30] <shakeitup> when trying to install libcurl4 i get prompted that libcurl3 and virtualbox-5.2 is going to be removed if i do so, how can i install libcurl4 and keep virtualbox-5.2
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• 1876[21:09:57] <shakeitup> i think virtualbox only goes up to stretch
• 1877[21:10:07] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1878[21:10:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1881[21:11:27] <jhutchins_wk> ,v virtualbox
• 1882[21:11:28] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-7~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.10-dfsg-6~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1; sid/contrib: 5.2.18-dfsg-1
• 1883[21:12:20] <shakeitup> eh when changing virtualbox to buster release in sources.list it says does not have a Release file.
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• 1892[21:16:34] <shakeitup> on virtualbox.org it does not say anything about buster
• 1893[21:16:40] <shakeitup> guess its fine
• 1894[21:16:42] <shakeitup> bye
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• 1898[21:17:53] <shakeitup> 2fast8u
• 1899[21:17:58] <shakeitup> anyway.. libcurl4 _
• 1900[21:17:59] <shakeitup> ?
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• 1903[21:21:13] <shakeitup> how do i install libcurl4 and keep virtualbox-5.2 and libcurl3
• 1904[21:21:23] <greycat> Ask the buster support channel.
• 1905[21:21:33] <shakeitup> which where_
• 1906[21:21:34] <shakeitup> ?
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• 1908[21:21:37] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 1910[21:21:42] <shakeitup> sorry cant remember
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• 1912[21:22:06] <tacocat> shakeitup, does installing virtualbox + virtualbox-ext-pack from buster suit your needs?
• 1913[21:22:33] <shakeitup> i just want to install libcurl4 and keep my software so i can install clamav
• 1914[21:22:51] <shakeitup> which needs libcurl4
• 1915[21:22:59] <shakeitup> virutalbox needs libcurl3
• 1916[21:23:03] <shakeitup> brb 5min
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• 1918[21:25:24] <tacocat> oh, I see the problem :/
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• 1921[21:27:15] <shakeitup> le back
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• 1923[21:29:23] <shakeitup> uh guess no clamav for me
• 1924[21:29:30] <shakeitup> have a nice evening
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• 1927[21:31:18] <phantomcircuit> how can i start multiple hostapd daemons?
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• 1929[21:32:06] <phantomcircuit> /etc/default/hostapd only seems to be able to launch one
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• 1955[21:54:24] <jim> hi... what lib package in debian supports file transfers over htps?
• 1956[21:54:39] <jim> https
• 1957[21:54:49] <greycat> libcurl?
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• 1959[21:55:25] <SwedeMike> jim: whatever wget uses? but yes, whatever curl uses as well
• 1960[21:57:13] <jim> greycat, a little more about my situation... I'm running python's pip program to install something, it says somethign to the effect it's not available
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• 1962[22:00:06] <greycat> and the reason you didn't just paste the actual error is...?
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• 1964[22:00:30] <jim> was hoping you'd recognize it... one sec
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• 1967[22:03:34] <Scriptonaut> anyone know why mount -a would just hang forever?
• 1968[22:04:16] <greycat> trying to contact a device that isn't responding (NFS server is down, etc.) ?
• 1969[22:04:20] <Scriptonaut> we had a drive failure, and one of the people at the server farm ripped our drive out in the middle of it initializing, and I think corrupted it. I umounted the old mountpoint, they put a new drive in, I was able to manually mount it after running fsck on it. However when I run mount -a, it just hangs
• 1970[22:04:38] <Scriptonaut> hmm
• 1971[22:04:41] <jim> greycat, here's the output: replaced-url
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• 1973[22:05:28] <greycat> replaced-url
• 1974[22:06:03] <ksk> jim: my approach for something like that "apt-cache search python | grep ssl" should yield you with a python-openssl or so package..
• 1975[22:06:24] * greycat also tries "apt-cache search --names-only python ssl" and gets some promising output
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• 1977[22:07:10] <greycat> He appears to be using python-pip (not python3-pip) so I would guess it's the python-openssl package, rather than the python3-openssl package.
• 1978[22:07:11] <ksk> thats neat, I do too much greping :)
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• 1984[22:12:37] <greycat> Man, those google results all *suck*.
• 1985[22:12:55] <greycat> Even after removing the extra space in SSL that was added by the lynx window wrapping at that point.
• 1986[22:13:26] <annadane> yes well google probably hasn't been relevant for a while
• 1987[22:13:35] <ksk> maybe better to just google for the error, and not like try to describe the problem?
• 1988[22:13:37] <annadane> more concerned with commercial results than actually useful ones
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• 1991[22:14:11] <greycat> ksk: I did. And added "debian" and "python" and "pip".
• 1992[22:14:33] <greycat> Unfortunately all the results I keep getting are from people who built their own python on raspbian and shit.
• 1993[22:14:47] <greycat> "rebuild it after installing these -dev packages" ... bah.
• 1994[22:15:17] <ksk> wow okay, the results are horrible.
• 1995[22:15:24] <greycat> So I'm guessing the actual solution is "install python-openssl and try again" but hard to confirm.
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• 2003[22:20:22] <jhutchins_wk> If an account (like apache) does not have a shell set, can it still have and run cron jobs?
• 2004[22:20:38] <greycat> yes
• 2005[22:21:45] <Scriptonaut> anyone know if there's a way to check the contents of a directory, that is currently a mountpoint (with a mounted drive on it)?
• 2006[22:22:02] <ksk> Scriptonaut: there is none imho.
• 2007[22:22:10] <Scriptonaut> our drive went down for an hour, we had workers that were writing to that mount point, but since nothign was mounted it was just writing directly to the mountpoint folder (on the root filesystem)
• 2008[22:22:15] <greycat> if you mean the underlying directory that is NOT the mounted content, no, it's hidden
• 2009[22:22:15] <Scriptonaut> ah ok
• 2010[22:22:16] <ksk> Scriptonaut: maybe if you knew the inode of the underlying dir
• 2011[22:22:22] <Scriptonaut> ah ok
• 2012[22:22:38] <ksk> but thats a wild guess, I always lived with "no" as an answer to that.
• 2013[22:22:50] <Scriptonaut> ok, we can probably unmount during the night
• 2014[22:23:18] <ksk> Scriptonaut: if you use systemd, make the "workers" unitfile depend on the mount unitfile ;)
• 2015[22:23:55] <ksk> its a kind of common problem, but systemd can help you with that nowadays.
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• 2017[22:25:11] <Kelsar> Scriptonaut: bind mount it somewhere else
• 2018[22:25:58] <Kelsar> Scriptonaut: I use that for backups without fs boundarys, mount --bind / /mnt/fuu, fuu will not contain submounts
• 2019[22:27:03] <Scriptonaut> ah, I'll check that out
• 2020[22:27:13] <Scriptonaut> thanks
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• 2022[22:27:43] <ksk> oh, that works? thanks for pointing it out.
• 2023[22:28:15] <Kelsar> yes, that is why rbind was added. bind produces a new mount namespace
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• 2033[22:37:36] <Delta706> Can someone recommend some good neural net software (debian package)? I have looked at TensorFlow and found it poorly explained. I found a simple linear example with 3 inputs and 1 output but while this is easy to understand, it seems little different to just throwing three random numbers
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• 2039[22:45:52] <bites> tf is probably the one you will find most instructions for.
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• 2042[22:48:56] <Delta706> I found examples for tf but they were unclear as to why they were doing what they were doing
• 2043[22:49:49] <bites> so what you need is a more general explenation to how neural networks work?
• 2044[22:50:19] <bites> you will find an abundance of general explenations too with a quick search.
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• 2046[22:51:11] <Delta706> I have done searches and not found much that explains what is happening.
• 2047[22:52:26] <Delta706> I found an example but no explanation as to what size the hidden layer was, why a GD optimizer was used
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• 2052[22:56:17] <peedabee> Delta706, just logged in. Missed the point of your question
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• 2054[22:58:03] <Delta706> peedabee: I was asking about neural network software and saying I had found examples but not found clarity about what they did what they did
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• 2056[22:58:44] <bites> the answer to why things are used in neural networks is often simply "because it converges well"
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• 2059[23:00:55] <Delta706> bites: then I do not see why a GD optimizer was used in a particular case and therefore have no idea of whether to use one in other cases
• 2060[23:01:56] <bites> then find a different guide. there is really no lack of those.
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• 2062[23:02:37] <Delta706> yes, as I explained, I have looked for a suitable example
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• 2064[23:03:13] <Delta706> here is the example that uses a GD optimizer replaced-url
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• 2066[23:06:15] <ska> Is there any graceful way to install Firefox 56 via apt?
• 2067[23:06:27] <greycat> No. Just use an upstream tarball in /opt or /usr/local.
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• 2069[23:07:07] <ska> greycat: Ok.. ty.. I've had issues with Quantum, but umatrix doesn't support older than 56 now.
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• 2117[23:59:48] <annadane> downloaded abs-guide. file /usr/share/doc/abs-guide/abs-book.sgml.gz says gzip compressed file. any nicer way to view it than zless?
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