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0 [00:00:46] <awal1> teraflops, you are right
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8 [00:05:37] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I am running Jessie from a
live CD on an old laptop. I need to increase the aufs size. Is that
possible?
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20 [00:09:56] <sine0> folks im stressing. i know this is not
quite your bag but you are the guys to knwo
21 [00:10:23] <sine0> how can you find the relative path to a a
file like images on a web server
22 [00:10:41] <sine0> i thought that ../../ would double back
23 [00:11:25] <mutante> sine0: since it's relative,
it's all relative
24 [00:11:30] <mutante> i mean, depends where you are
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26 [00:11:34] <sine0> haha
27 [00:11:41] <sine0> "its all relative maaaaaan"
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29 [00:12:05] <mutante> yea, dude, but you can use
"find" to find yourself some images, man
30 [00:12:15] <sine0> /home/public_html/images/hot.jpg
/home/public_html/index.php
31 [00:12:40] <sine0> I have tried so many variations in the a
href of hte image
32 [00:12:46] <mutante> sine0: that looks like it's missing
the user name in the path
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34 [00:13:01] <sine0> im on a hosting platform i cant get back
that far
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38 [00:14:11] <mutante> sine0: ok, so if you refer to hot.jpg
from index.php then use "./images/hot.jpg" as the relative
path
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40 [00:14:13] <de-facto> hmm does debian provide any library for
the cpp 11 function std::put_time?
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48 [00:18:02] <TomTomTosch> de-facto: it's in the standard
library, defined in the iomanip header.
49 [00:18:14] <de-facto> not for me i think
50 [00:18:33] <de-facto> i greped for it in the whole
/usr/include and it doesnt seem to be in any of the files tehre
51 [00:18:43] <de-facto> might be only in gcc5 or such
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53 [00:19:14] <de-facto> yet the iomanip is there without it
though
54 [00:19:28] <de-facto> are there any fallbacks i could use?
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67 [00:26:21] <Enrico_Menotti> Anybody may help me with my
question? (Don't want to be insistent, maybe nobody noticed
it.)
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95 [00:38:28] <sorrySusan>
<SELECT>//SYSLIST//...pinG=[total]?=VERSIOn1010101001
96 [00:40:00] <mcintosh> yes
97 [00:40:01] <sorrySusan> what..a re you all too stupid to
speak back
98 [00:40:03] <sorrySusan> I see...
99 [00:40:25] <sorrySusan>
BREAK="Ice.Collectory..YyYyYy//=LAG.../?
100 [00:40:48] <sorrySusan> Good,... how bout that
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104 [00:42:10] <sorrySusan> haha
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106 [00:43:46] <c1a551f1ed> sorrySusan: Do you have a Debian
support issue?
107 [00:43:59] <sorrySusan> Seriously?
108 [00:44:10] <sorrySusan> are you... Edging me
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110 [00:44:20] <c1a551f1ed> sorrySusan: Yes, seriously.
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112 [00:44:32] <sorrySusan> To your lose
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114 [00:45:10] <sorrySusan> 31.56.71.3
115 [00:45:16] <sorrySusan> Dallas?
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117 [00:45:24] <sorrySusan> probablistic
118 [00:45:40] <sorrySusan> Your best stories are now your worst
enemies... haha
119 [00:45:41] <kline> sorrySusan, probably best to cut the
nonsense, thanks
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122 [00:47:39] <sorrySusan> Oh...
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127 [00:50:56] <alekz> Hi guys! I was about comming here for some
freezing support, but I noticed is not an OS related problem. You
know any channel where I can get help troubleshooting PSU or MoBo?
128 [00:51:11] <Papillon> search the channel list for hardware?
129 [00:51:17] <Papillon> maybe ##hardware?
130 [00:51:37] <Papillon> generally you just swap in something
that probably works, like swap a new psu
131 [00:51:41] <Papillon> or if you have a spare mobo
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133 [00:52:17] <sorrySusan> lmfao
134 [00:52:19] <alekz> that's the problem, I don't have
any haha
135 [00:52:39] <alekz> I'll try to borrow a PSU
136 [00:52:44] <Papillon> well I suppose you could try to test
the psu with a multimeter
137 [00:52:56] <sorrySusan>
msg..//pop.Startup.Rerun.Register=Sumblime.
138 [00:53:06] <alekz> Do you have any spare psu you can send to
Mexico?
139 [00:53:07] <alekz> jk
140 [00:53:07] <missmbob> depending on the psu type you can jump
it with a paperclip to force it on. google it
141 [00:53:07] <alekz> xD
142 [00:53:27] <Plushfish> What's going on here?
143 [00:53:27] <alekz> thanks missmbob, I'll google it
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205 [01:25:02] <awal1> any virtual keyboard DE independent apart
xvlbd & florence?
206 [01:25:14] <awal1> xvkbd
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226 [01:32:42] <thecha> i am trying to change the ownership of a
folder on a nas with "sudo chown
replaced-url
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228 [01:33:12] <missmbob> the fs of the nas doesnt allow it.
probably ntfs
229 [01:33:34] <thecha> ah because ntfs doesnt even have
ownership?
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231 [01:33:48] <missmbob> no linux file attributes in ntfs
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234 [01:34:07] <thecha> but when you go check it shows
nimby:nimby as owner and group
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237 [01:34:31] <thecha> with xlr xdtew letters permissions type
things on the side
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239 [01:35:00] <missmbob> yeah. that's ntfs-3g magic
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241 [01:35:28] <thecha> yeah right
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243 [01:35:44] <thecha> maybe i didnt install ntfs-3g but my nas
is still in tha tmode?
244 [01:35:58] <c1a551f1ed> thecha: I assume it's mounted
over the network. CIFS/Samba?
245 [01:36:03] <thecha> so how can i change what apears to be
ownership or what is displaed as it to
replaced-url
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247 [01:36:54] <missmbob> thecha: nimby probably owned the dir
before you mounted it there. that's all
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250 [01:37:27] <thecha> missmbob→ is there a way for
replaced-url
251 [01:37:38] <kline> thecha, iirc you can set a mapping on the
mounting daemon
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253 [01:37:54] <kline> i havent needed to do so since my old
flatmate moved in, and theyve moved out since
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257 [01:38:14] <thecha> just mentioning is enough
258 [01:38:18] <thecha> i can google the details
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260 [01:38:55] <kline> well, thats probably the best thing to do
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262 [01:39:05] <kline> look at mapping users for whatever tools
you're using
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290 [01:55:08] <Ooze> Hi, I'm having fstab errors when I add
some local mount points to my file. I think my network mount is
attempting earlier than the service is available
291 [01:55:37] <Ooze> Here's my fstab file -- I've got
a hunch there are some other things arwy as I'm currently
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317 [02:10:06] <somiaj> Ooze: you may want to write a systemd
unit file for the mount point over using fstab, this way they can be
mounted at the appropriate time
318 [02:11:00] <Ooze> It's fine if I have those other mount
point commented out though, not sure why that is
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346 [02:26:18] <Advait> Hi guys im starting an internship this
summer where i need to learn how to use bash. What are the basics
that i need to know and are there any good resources for me to learn
how to use bash quickly
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348 [02:26:47] <missmbob> !bash pitfalls
349 [02:26:47] <dpkg> Read about common sh/bash script mistakes
at
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350 [02:27:07] <missmbob> !tell Advait about bash faq
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352 [02:27:45] <buu> Does libglobus-ftp-client2 have an actual
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353 [02:27:47] <buu> like, executables
354 [02:28:32] <missmbob> buu: no executables.
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534 [04:15:10] <JakeDean> I'm trying to display the php file
which I have located in /var/replaced-url
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537 [04:15:44] <missmbob> #nginx might be better
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539 [04:16:53] <JakeDean> missmbob: it gives me an error when I
type: cannot send to channel: #nginx
540 [04:17:03] <missmbob> register your nick
541 [04:17:11] <JakeDean> i did
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609 [05:16:42] <fweg> hello
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611 [05:18:36] <fweg> you know when you download debian server,
install it and then boot into it you see all the lines of what
it's doing during boot? well i bought a VPS and installed
debian but i don't see any of that. can someone tell me how to
enable it please?
612 [05:19:00] <gry> ask your vps provider how to enter serial
console
613 [05:19:16] <gry> i had a prgmr vps once and it had this info
in its serial console. don't remember about linode
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615 [05:19:52] <missmbob> linode has it in lish via web
interface. you can also set up ssh to lish but that's more
steps
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623 [05:27:06] <jelly> fweg: Assuming you do have access to
console and are just not seeing a lot info at all. Removing
"quiet" from boot parameters will help a bit. Check lines
for GRUB_CMDLINE_* in /etc/default/grub and run
"update-grub" after editing the file.
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626 [05:28:50] <fweg> jelly: thank you. is this good?
replaced-url
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631 [05:31:34] <jelly> fweg: it depends on what kind of console
and console access you have, it might be fine.
632 [05:32:18] <jelly> fweg: was line 9 already commented out?
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634 [05:32:53] <fweg> jelly: yes
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636 [05:33:59] <fweg> I will test it on another server
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638 [05:34:01] <fweg> Thanks again
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641 [05:35:27] <constantineXII> Hello debian users
642 [05:36:33] <mutante> sup Mo
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647 [05:40:03] <daffy__> hey guys, I was wondering how to make a
debian testing clean install from cml
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649 [05:40:33] <daffy__> installing gnome and gdm3 is enought?
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652 [05:41:14] <theMagnumOrange> hi
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654 [05:41:31] <theMagnumOrange> does debian have grsecurity by
default? if not is it easy to install?
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656 [05:41:50] <mutante> daffy__: you can first install stable
and all the packages you want as normal and then edit
/etc/apt/sources.list, replace 'jessie' with
'stretch' and apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
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663 [05:43:35] <constantineXII> can I install kde 5 on debian
jessie??
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665 [05:44:30] <daffy__> mutante: I dont use all the apps
provided by default installation, I would like to know the sequence
of packages to install in net-installation in order to install only
the ones I use
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669 [05:46:07] <mutante> daffy__: if you get the
"netinstall" image and during installer deselect all the
software you get pretty much that
670 [05:46:35] <mutante> daffy__: then you can start from the
minimal system and install packages you want. dependencies will be
pulled in
671 [05:47:28] <mutante> daffy__: here are netinstall images for
testing
replaced-url
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673 [05:49:17] <daffy__> thanks mutante!
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698 [06:06:42] <constantineXII> anyone uses kde on debian stable?
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704 [06:08:47] <jelly> <constantineXII> can I install kde 5
on debian jessie?? # short answer, no
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706 [06:09:22] <constantineXII> OK. Thanks!
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708 [06:10:29] <jelly> plasma 5 will be part of the upcoming
release, codename "stretch" (to be released probably this
year)
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710 [06:13:24] <constantineXII> Thanks debian community and good
luck!!
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1089 [07:56:46] <hmz365> "device-mapper: reload ioctl on
veracrypt1_0 failed: No such file or directory Command failed .
" Anyone encounter the same problem has been resolved, the
wing! Online is not the answer, for kernels from 3.14.54 to 4.5.2 is
still the same, I do not know where the problem.
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1100 [08:03:02] <afidegnum> hello good morning,
1101 [08:03:02] <Papillon> try ##linux, I don't think this is
a debian specific issue and there may be more people that know about
that specific issue
1102 [08:03:06] <Papillon> hi
1103 [08:03:26] <afidegnum> on my laptop, the Fn key is not
working, i can't add a combination of Fn key to additional keys
1104 [08:03:39] <afidegnum> how do i fix it pls?
1105 [08:04:07] <Papillon> you might try asking in ##linux
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1116 [08:07:37] <somiaj> afidegnum: depends on the laptop but the
Fn key may not generate a keycode by itself, it only generates
keycodes in special combinations
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1122 [08:11:15] <afidegnum> somiaj: yes, even the combination does
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1219 [08:57:58] <MoepMan> hey, can someone tell me what the option
in preseed.cfg for stretch is that disables scanning for additional
cds/dvds? couldn't find it in either the example-preseed.cfg or
appendix B.4
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1273 [09:16:02] <afidegnum> i tried all my best but the Fn key
doesn't seems to work
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1277 [09:17:27] <no_gravity> It seems everytime my wlan drops -
even if only for a few seconds - my ssh connections are dead
afterwards. Any ideas why and how to fix that?
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1285 [09:21:32] <afidegnum> any insight?
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1394 [10:11:20] <grizzlyb> What is an APT stand for exactly
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1397 [10:11:46] <abff> advanced package tool
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1399 [10:12:11] <bolt> he said "exactly". it's
"packaging" :)
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1401 [10:12:35] <abff> right right
1402 [10:12:40] <bolt> :p
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1404 [10:12:51] <petn-randall> Heh. Technically correct, the best
kind of correct. ;)
1405 [10:12:54] <abff> I appreciate pedantry
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1410 [10:14:17] <grizzlyb> Haha thank you!!
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1436 [10:28:17] <julius> hi
1437 [10:28:39] <julius> why cant i run this: -rwsr-Sr-- 1 root
root 1.3K Mar 27 10:20 gre_tunnel.sh as user, isnt it setuid root?
the commands in it need to be executed as root
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1451 [10:36:19] <petn-randall> julius: Setting suid root on shell
scripts is considered insecure.
1452 [10:36:28] <julius> yes i am aware of that
1453 [10:36:36] <julius> not my first choice...
1454 [10:37:00] <blackflow> can't sudo?
1455 [10:37:12] <julius> need to start a GRE tunnel from a remote
host via a users ssh connection, the GRE tunnel needs a dynamic ip
as argument
1456 [10:37:28] <petn-randall> julius: Consider using sudo for
that, it's much safer.
1457 [10:37:33] <julius> im the only one working on that system
1458 [10:37:56] <petn-randall> julius: Setting a shell script suid
root is effectively giving everyone root that can execute it.
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1461 [10:38:25] <julius> petn-randall, how are they executing code
that is not in the shell script?
1462 [10:38:39] <petn-randall> julius:
replaced-url
1463 [10:38:47] <julius> ok
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1465 [10:39:30] <petn-randall> julius: Long story short: The user
controls the environment that is used in the shell script, which can
be leveraged to execute arbritary code as root.
1466 [10:39:35] <julius> but for sudo i need to enter a password,
right? how do i run this: ssh andromeda-inet ~/bin/gre_tunnel.sh
x.x.x.x with entering the sudo pw?
1467 [10:39:51] <petn-randall> julius: No, there's a NOPASSWD
option in sudo.
1468 [10:39:56] <julius> ah ok
1469 [10:39:58] <julius> thanks
1470 [10:40:10] <julius> wasnt aware that setuid can be that
dangerous
1471 [10:40:32] <petn-randall> julius: Just for completeness, the
reason your user can't execute that script is because that user
is missing executable rights.
1472 [10:41:12] <julius> because the would be "other" ?
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1474 [10:41:25] <blackflow> julius: setuid is dangerous because it
gives root to _anyone_ who executes it. with sudo you can control
which user/group can execute this, as root, with/out password.
1475 [10:41:43] <blackflow> s/gives root/executes as root/
1476 [10:41:48] <julius> yes i will setup sudo
1477 [10:41:52] <petn-randall> julius: Since you have it setuid
and setgid root, the only option would be to make it
world-executable, effectively granting root to everyone (or play
around with ACLs).
1478 [10:42:33] <julius> petn-randall, no i mean...the user has no
executable rigths becuase the group or the other's has no x?
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1481 [10:42:40] <julius> im guessing it is other's
1482 [10:43:22] <petn-randall> julius: If the user isn't
root, the rights it has on that file are defined in
"other". Since it's only readable, no user other than
root can execute it.
1483 [10:43:43] <julius> petn-randall, ah...yes r can be also x ok
1484 [10:43:56] <julius> thanks guys
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1486 [10:44:42] <petn-randall> julius: No, r and x are different
permissions. Everyone can run 'cat gre_tunnel.sh' to see
the contents, but only root can currently execute it.
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1489 [10:46:12] <tnorth> hi there
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1507 [10:52:17] <delkin> Hello :) Does anyone know how I can
install python-sphinx (>=1.5) through debian package manager?
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1515 [10:54:26] <delkin> When I run debian-dev-build.sh it keeps
complaining that python-sphinx is not installed with the correct
version… And installing with PIP does not solve the issue :(
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1525 [10:57:45] <blackflow> delkin: use a virtualenv and inside
it, install whatever version with pip
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1538 [11:00:18] <mab_> blackflow: what if he wants to use the
package manager? Are there any ppa available?
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1546 [11:02:19] <delkin> blackflow: unfortunately that doesnt
work… :( debian-dev-build.sh keeps complaining that sphinx is
not installed
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1549 [11:02:52] <delkin> blackflow: i think i must do it through
the debian package manager
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1561 [11:08:29] <blackflow> delkin: well, there's 1.5.3 in
experimental, but that would mean mixing packages, not sure
that's wise. debian-dev-build.sh, which package is that from?
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1563 [11:10:20] <blackflow> delkin: is this for lava?
1564 [11:10:29] <delkin> blackflow: yeah, exactly
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1566 [11:10:57] <blackflow> delkin: but it's not coming from
a package, is it?
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1568 [11:11:47] <dynek> I'm unable to find how I can
download/install snmp mibs on stretch - anyone would have a clue?
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1570 [11:12:07] <delkin> blackflow: no, I am using this script
here:
replaced-url
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1572 [11:12:17] <delkin> blackflow: which should generate a .deb
file
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1574 [11:12:41] <delkin> blackflow: but fails complaining that
python-sphinx is not >=1.4
1575 [11:13:03] <blackflow> delkin: well I don't know
anything about that software, I just found debian-dev-build.sh
mentioned in its context. I asked because if it was coming from a
package, you should report a bug about wrong dependencies.
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1577 [11:13:29] <blackflow> delkin: but since it's not....
install virtualenv, install python-sphinx 1.5 in it, and with the
virtualenv active, run your debian-dev-build.sh script.
1578 [11:13:31] <delkin> blackflow: that is sensible
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1581 [11:14:04] <delkin> blackflow: i have tried that. I complains
that sphinx is not installed
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1583 [11:14:10] <delkin> It*
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1585 [11:14:20] <blackflow> maybe there is a PPA for sphinx
but.... I'd never recommend using PPAs, only official and
sanctioned repositories.
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1587 [11:14:37] <blackflow> delkin: you ran the script in the
shell where virtualenv with sphinx installed was active?
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1589 [11:14:38] <dynek> answering to self: non-free!
1590 [11:14:50] <OS-27693> hi everyone
1591 [11:15:00] <OS-27693> what's up?
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1596 [11:15:55] <lixus> to whom it may concern: One of the two
snapshot.debian.org DNS round robin adresses does not work
1597 [11:15:59] <delkin> blackflow: exactly. If I run
sphinx-builder —version it actually shows the version I need.
Although, when I run that lava script it keeps complaining that
sphinx version is not > 1.4
1598 [11:16:00] <lixus> curl --header
"Host:snapshot.debian.org" -I
replaced-url
1599 [11:16:14] <OS-27693> I'm a noob in OSCP course
1600 [11:16:24] <lixus> versus: curl --header
"Host:snapshot.debian.org" -I
replaced-url
1601 [11:16:39] <delkin> blackflow: i guess this script is looking
for deb package manager for dependencies
1602 [11:16:59] <delkin> blackflow: and misses the fact that
sphinx is already installed with the version needed
1603 [11:17:12] <OS-27693> I didn't understand a thing. If i
hack the majority of lab machines in the public net, is it
sufficient to be prepared for the exam?
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1605 [11:18:39] <blackflow> delkin: is there a public url for that
script? github or something? I wanna take a look
1606 [11:19:29] <delkin> blackflow: this is the script that should
generate the .deb file when all dependencies are met:
replaced-url
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1608 [11:19:47] <delkin> blackflow: the lava .deb file
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1610 [11:21:24] <dadinn> hi all
1611 [11:21:26] <blackflow> delkin: looking at the
pkg-lava-server, it looks like it depends on python-sphinx (>=
1.4)
1612 [11:21:29] <blackflow> delkin: not 1.5
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1614 [11:21:55] <dadinn> I think I have run into something similar
to bug simply disregard any dependencies which have been specified
1615 [11:21:59] <delkin> blackflow: correct. I was too
“agressive” on my request
1616 [11:22:17] <dadinn> sorry, bug #754218
1617 [11:22:17] <delkin> blackflow: the default version debian
installs is 1.2
1618 [11:22:18] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1619 [11:22:37] <delkin> blackflow: the issue remains
1620 [11:22:47] <blackflow> delkin: on jessie? install it from
jessie-backports
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1622 [11:23:43] <blackflow> delkin: and please don't make up
information in your request for help. had you said 1.4 the first
time, the answer would be quicker without wasting anyone's time
to look up and find possible cause fo nonexisting 1.5 requirement.
1623 [11:23:43] <delkin> blackflow: I have added deb
replaced-url
1624 [11:23:56] <dadinn> I have a interface.d/wlan0 file for my
wifi with psk passphrase, and the boot stalls with the same issue
1625 [11:24:04] <delkin> blackflow: that is not working
1626 [11:24:23] <dadinn> is this a known issue? When I remove it
it boots fine
1627 [11:24:23] <blackflow> delkin: jessie-backports has
python-sphinx 1.4.9 according to that script and pkg-lava-server
repo, that should suffice
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1630 [11:26:19] <delkin> blackflow: so, I added the above line to
my sources.list; then ran apt-get update; then apt-get install
python-sphinx. However sphinx 1.2 is being installed
1631 [11:27:45] <delkin> blackflow: i am using debian jessie
1632 [11:28:10] <blackflow> delkin: apt-get -t jessie-backports
install python-sphinx
1633 [11:28:47] <delkin> blackflow: you are my heroe!!!
1634 [11:29:01] <blackflow> yay!
1635 [11:29:04] <delkin> \o/
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1675 [11:54:45] <thereyougo> any suggestion of a tyniest live CD ?
that uses under 64MB of RAM ? I don't need X, only command line
so I can ssh to it
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1684 [11:57:44] <rjsalts> thereyougo: you could just use the
installer maybe?
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1701 [12:03:25] <abff> hey guys I am currently messing around with
a GTK theme for my lightdm-gtk-greeter. I was wondering how could I
go about starting another instance of LIGHTDM in a tty
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1710 [12:06:18] <Papillon> control alt f2?
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1712 [12:07:45] <abff> yes that gets me to a tty but I don't
know how to start a second instance of my dm, but don't worry
about it I'll just keep loging out and back in
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1719 [12:12:04] <rufus> hello everybody..newbie here ...tryig to
install debian in virtual box follwoing tutorials..evrything goes
well ut when sys boots i get root and terminal commands instead of
GUI..what is wrong?
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1726 [12:14:08] <ber532k> rufus: What exactly did you install?
This might be what's supposed to happen.
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1728 [12:14:41] <ber532k> Do you get any error messages?
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1731 [12:16:54] <rufus> ber532k: I tried with
debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst and debian-8.7.1-amd64-CD-1...same result
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1733 [12:17:26] <ber532k> No error messages?
1734 [12:18:39] <rufus> ber532k: no everything goes smooth and
boots correctly but in terminal...how o get a GUI?
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1737 [12:19:51] <ber532k> First you'd want to log in
(probably as root) and check X11 is indeed installed.
1738 [12:20:11] <ber532k> Try logging in.
1739 [12:20:17] <rufus> ber532k: i correctly log in
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1744 [12:21:36] <ber532k> Try `which startx` (not sure if it is
included though)
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1746 [12:22:59] <rufus> ber532k: usr/bin/startx
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1748 [12:23:14] <ber532k> ok, great
1749 [12:23:46] <ber532k> You might want to create some sort of
user first, so you don't have to do everything as root ...
1750 [12:24:12] <ber532k>
replaced-url
1751 [12:24:14] <rufus> ber532k: actally i created user during the
configuration process
1752 [12:24:30] <ber532k> ok, so log out back in as that user
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1754 [12:25:11] <rufus> how to do it from root?
1755 [12:25:11] <dA3M0n23> hello
1756 [12:25:32] <ber532k> `exit` logs you out
1757 [12:25:57] <ber532k> afterwards just log back in with your
username
1758 [12:26:22] <rufus> ber532k:ok logged in
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1760 [12:26:29] <rufus> sill no gui
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1762 [12:26:51] <ber532k> `startx`
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1764 [12:27:27] <ber532k> This might produce an error, if no
Desktop Environment is installed or if it is configured badly.
1765 [12:28:22] <ber532k> But then at least we know X11 (the
graphical server on which most Desktop Environments run) is there
all right.
1766 [12:28:33] <rufus> no erro...now just increased terminal size
1767 [12:28:37] * ssarah hallo
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1769 [12:29:07] <ber532k> Did you choose any Desktop Environment
during install?
1770 [12:29:14] <rufus> and poiinter is an X now
1771 [12:29:24] <rufus> yes if I remember well
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1773 [12:30:04] <ber532k> ok, so X11 works all right ;)
1774 [12:30:19] <ber532k> switch to another tty and kill X11
1775 [12:30:29] <rufus> no idea what you mean
1776 [12:30:44] <ber532k> Ctrl-Alt-F2 should open another login
prompt
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1778 [12:30:57] <rufus> ok
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1780 [12:31:12] <ber532k> then run `killall -QUIT Xorg` to kill
the X-server you just started
1781 [12:32:12] <ber532k> this should take you back to tty1 (where
the Xserver was started) and throw a bunch of messages.
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1783 [12:32:50] <rufus> killa ommand not found
1784 [12:33:09] <rufus> killall command not found
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1786 [12:33:15] <thereyougo> rjsalts: no, LiveCD, I want to run 10
qemu virtual machines
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1789 [12:33:31] <ber532k> ok, something else:
1790 [12:33:38] <thereyougo> but I can allocate only under 64MB
per VM
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1792 [12:34:16] <ber532k> on tty2 (you got there via Ctrl-Alt-F2)
try running `which gnome-session`
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1795 [12:35:29] <rufus> ok entered
1796 [12:35:41] <ber532k> Does that return some path?
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1798 [12:35:55] <rufus> no
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1800 [12:36:17] <ber532k> Then I guess gnome is not installed.
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1802 [12:36:42] <rufus> cxan you send me a link to restart the
installation on virtualbox? ay be the one I got was not good
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1804 [12:36:53] <ber532k> Did you by chance install any other
Desktop Environment? Xfce4, Kde, Lxde, Mate, Cinnamon?
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1806 [12:37:22] <rufus> absolutely no
1807 [12:38:00] <ber532k> Is internet working from the virtual
machine?
1808 [12:38:17] <rufus> how to chek?
1809 [12:38:37] <ber532k> `ping -c2
replaced-url
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1811 [12:39:01] <ber532k> If that returns 0% Package loss
it's working
1812 [12:39:07] <rufus> ber532k: will give it another try and
revert... thanks for y our patience
1813 [12:39:26] <petn-randall> ber532k: Last time I checked ping
doesn't cope with url but domains.
1814 [12:39:35] <ber532k> `ping -c2
replaced-url
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1816 [12:40:00] <ber532k> petn-randall: just found out myself,
thanks
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1818 [12:40:30] <ber532k> rufus: Good luck!
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1937 [13:50:14] <guest___> Hello. I'm facing "man:
can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are
correct" when running man, although $LANG is correctly set.
1938 [13:50:29] <guest___> I've already ran locale-gen to no
use. Any hints?
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1941 [13:51:45] <c1a551f1ed> guest___: On Jessie?
1942 [13:52:06] <guest___> c1a551f1ed: Yes, on Jessie.
1943 [13:52:19] <c1a551f1ed> guest___: You could try forcibly
correcting the system's locale.
1944 [13:52:30] <c1a551f1ed> guest___: localectl set-locale
<whatever>
1945 [13:52:34] <Brigo> guest___, check localectl
1946 [13:52:46] <c1a551f1ed> guest___: localectl set-locale
en_US.UTF-8 for example.
1947 [13:53:37] <guest___> `Failed to issue method call: Invalid
Locale data.` I tried with both en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.utf8 FWIW.
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1949 [13:54:08] <c1a551f1ed> guest___: And that locale was
properly generated when you ran locale-gen?
1950 [13:54:49] <guest___> c1a551f1ed: Yes, `locale-gen` tells me
that en_US.UTF-8 was properly generated.
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1956 [13:56:41] <guest___> Also, FWIW, `locale` tells me that
`LANG=en_US.UTF-8` but other values (such as LC_PAPER) are set to
`pt_BR.UTF-8`. I don't know why it is set that way; I've
never enabled that locale (although my timezone is set to
America/Sao_Paulo and my keyboard layout is also a br-abnt one).
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1961 [13:58:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1962 [13:58:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
1963 [13:58:45] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1965 [13:58:49] <guest___> Apologies. Ignore the `Invalid Locale
data` error message, please, I've used a wrong cmdline. Still,
the original problem persists.
1966 [13:58:50] <BluesKaj> oops
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1980 [14:07:03] <ksk_> hola
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1983 [14:07:45] <ksk_> how do I add an IP to an interface, that
linux does not arp for? If I do "ip a s" I see "<
[snip] NOARP >" in there - but the machine is still arping
for that IP :/
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1990 [14:10:47] <guest___> I've managed to fix it by manually
setting LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8. No idea why it wasn't set before.
I'll jot that in /etc/environment.
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2000 [14:12:44] <zero-crypto> Holla All
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2010 [14:21:17] <ksk> I know set arp_ignore for that interface
(dummy0) to "8". I am however wondering that this noarp in
<> is for?
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2012 [14:22:36] <guest___> Oh, wow. Actually LC_ALL is unset and I
was ssh'ing into the buggy machines. The problem is not even
Debian related. Bitten by ssh idiosyncrasies once more.
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2014 [14:23:51] <colo-work> env scrubbing is real
2015 [14:23:56] <colo-work> you better respect it!
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2018 [14:24:25] <jelly> also, locale names vary between different
unices
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2070 [14:52:13] <jer0me> hey there. What's the recommend
"acpi" setup for a laptop with no DE nowadays on debian
stable to get suspend/resume on lid close, acpi buttons, vol
control, autoswitch to low power consumption on battery etc? There
seems to be quite a choice.
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2074 [14:53:49] <sonOfRa> jer0me: back when I used debian (gnome
on jessie), it did all that. There was no "setup"
2075 [14:53:55] <jer0me> On my thinkpad x220 (~5yo), most things
work with acpid, but I have to write some scripts for screen
brightness, volume, and so on. apmd handles those ootb on openbsd. I
think I may have done a non optimal choice :)
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2080 [14:55:31] <jer0me> sonOfRa: yep I guess, but I don't
use gnome. I have searched and found acpid, acpi-support, tpd,
laptop-mode-tools, systemd even has some features. I'm a bit
lost.
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2098 [15:02:35] <jelly> how do I tell grub2 on jessie to boot into
an older kernel? setting GRUB_DEFAULT= to a non-zero value does not
seem to count older kernels that are now present in the
"advanced" submenu
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2104 [15:04:20] <ksk> hehe, good to see other regular debian user
have problems with that, not only me ;)
2105 [15:04:32] <ksk> let me thing how I solved that last time :o
2106 [15:04:38] <ksk> *think
2107 [15:05:30] <ksk> jelly: IIRC you could give it values like
1-5 where 1 would be first(second?) submenu and 5 the entry in that
submenu
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2118 [15:10:22] <Verity> why cant I install packages
2119 [15:10:27] <Verity> how could a debian install break on its
own
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2121 [15:10:30] <Verity> or could someone have hacked it remorely
2122 [15:10:33] <Verity> to destroy it
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2124 [15:10:47] <Verity> I see people trying to send shell codes
to my server
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2128 [15:12:30] <c1a551f1ed> What is your actual issue?
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2136 [15:15:53] <rafalcpp> Verity: what is the error message?
2137 [15:16:07] <rafalcpp> how to recreate /boot/initrd....img
file?
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2140 [15:17:16] <Verity> ok
2141 [15:17:19] <Verity> someone hacked me?
2142 [15:17:24] <Verity>
replaced-url
2143 [15:17:28] <Verity> why would that be in my sources.list
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2147 [15:19:01] <rafalcpp> Verity: do you run linux or raspbian?
2148 [15:19:04] <rafalcpp> Verity: do you run debian or raspbian?
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2150 [15:19:24] <jelly> Verity: that link is a 404
2151 [15:19:31] <Verity> yeah its not real
2152 [15:19:33] <Verity> its someones IP
2153 [15:19:35] <Verity> they must have broken in
2154 [15:19:38] <Verity> and put that in my sources
2155 [15:19:40] <jelly> and in case you're on raspbian,
2156 [15:19:41] <Verity> to install malicious packages
2157 [15:19:41] <jelly> !raspbian
2158 [15:19:42] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
replaced-url
2159 [15:19:51] <Verity> raspbia, yes
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2161 [15:20:06] <BluesKaj> looks like raspbian to me , I run it
too, get help in #raspberrypi , Verity
2162 [15:20:09] <Verity> ok
2163 [15:20:41] <BluesKaj> or #raspbian as posted above
2164 [15:20:43] <jelly> Verity: or it could just be a mirror, IP
hardcoded to work even when dns resolving fails
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2166 [15:21:03] <userro> yea
2167 [15:21:09] <userro> that could be top
2168 [15:21:15] <userro> too
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2171 [15:21:22] <jelly> dig +short -x 108.166.161.136
2172 [15:21:29] <jelly> mirrors.lucidnetworks.net.
2173 [15:21:33] <jelly> whatever that is
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2175 [15:21:48] <rafalcpp> jelly: is it possible to recreate that
/boot/initrd?
2176 [15:21:56] <jelly> redrabbit: update-initramfs
2177 [15:21:57] <rafalcpp> so far debian failed me on this task :/
2178 [15:22:13] <rafalcpp> jelly: it does not recreate that file
2179 [15:22:43] <jelly> you do not need a file with that exact
path
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2182 [15:23:00] <jelly> unless you're doing something unusual
2183 [15:23:00] <rafalcpp> jelly: -c -k all and no initrd file was
created in /boot/
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2185 [15:23:34] <jelly> rafalcpp: which debian release? pastebin
the output
2186 [15:23:54] <rafalcpp> jelly: deleted /boot/initrd....img
because it seem to included inside wrong copy of raid conf.
mkinitramfs -k all -c did not create any in /boot , no error
messages
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2188 [15:24:11] <rafalcpp> jelly: btw doing that from inside
installer's rescue mode, chrooted into the target system
2189 [15:24:26] <jelly> what is mkinitramfs? Which debian release
is this?
2190 [15:24:47] <rafalcpp> jelly: debian 8 amd64
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2196 [15:25:44] <rafalcpp> jelly: ok will try again the damaged
system then. one moment. (was about to give up and reinstall)
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2199 [15:26:11] <jelly> rafalcpp: I have no idea what mkinitramfs
is and what the correct parameters for it would be. I suggested
update-initramfs.
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2208 [15:33:39] <rafalcpp> jelly: ok, so using update-initramfs -v
-c -k all . it does not recreate the /boot/initrd...img file. I
delted that file because I think there debian stored invalid old
copy of /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf which was prohibiting bootup
2209 [15:34:14] <rafalcpp> all the output from that command is
"Nothing to do, exiting"
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2217 [15:35:44] <jelly> rafalcpp: do you have any kernels in
/boot/ at all?
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2219 [15:36:28] <rafalcpp> jelly: yes, I did not delted other
files there, there is vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 and kernel boots up
2220 [15:36:29] <jelly> rafalcpp: pastebin the output of your
"update-initramfs -v -c -k all", and, dunno, "ls -la
/boot /lib/modules"
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2223 [15:37:49] <rafalcpp> jelly: hard to pastebin (rescue shell),
but /boot/ has Syste.map and config and vmlinuz for 3.16.0-4 and a
grub/ ; and /lib/modles have 3.16.0-4-amd64
2224 [15:38:18] <rafalcpp> jelly: this is fresh install, it was
overall booting up, except for not being able to open root
filesystem in init scripts, because of wrong mdadm.conf
2225 [15:38:32] <rafalcpp> System.map
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2231 [15:42:17] <rafalcpp> jelly: I see that
/var/lib/initramfs-tools/ is empty here. there should be a kernel
here?
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2239 [15:44:37] <G4F21_> I've added to /etc/sysctl.conf
"kern.warning /var/log/iptables" and the logs are in
/var/log/messages
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2243 [15:45:25] <petn-randall> G4F21_: What is that supposed to
do?
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2247 [15:45:53] <rafalcpp> cat fuck_this_fucking_shit >
/var/lib/initramfs-tools/3.16.0-4-amd64 and THEN calling
update-initramfs fixed it, jelly
2248 [15:46:14] <G4F21_> petn-randall: I don't wanna keep
rubbish in /var/log/messages
2249 [15:46:33] <petn-randall> !goal
2250 [15:46:33] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2252 [15:46:37] <petn-randall> G4F21_: ^^^
2253 [15:46:41] <rafalcpp> seems like a bug, where -c (create)
works more like update.
2254 [15:47:07] <BluesKaj> rafalcpp, nice language there, not
necessary
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2256 [15:48:10] * petn-randall wonders if rafalcpp meant echo instead of
cat.
2257 [15:48:16] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: indeed
2258 [15:48:33] <G4F21_> petn-randall: what?
2259 [15:49:12] <jelly> rafalcpp: that's... weird
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2261 [15:49:19] <petn-randall> G4F21_: You described a solution
that doesn't work. We don't even know what you're
trying to achieve. If you tell us that, we could give suggestions
what you need to do.
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2263 [15:50:02] <rafalcpp> jelly: will bug report it. Also,
it's all due to really buggy installer
2264 [15:50:20] <G4F21_> petn-randall: I want to keep iptables
logs in /var/log/iptables not in /var/log/message
2265 [15:50:40] <jelly> rafalcpp: especially if you can reproduce
it reliably
2266 [15:50:45] <rafalcpp> somehow the god damned insaller found
out that there was a RAID on the disk, even after the disk was
zeroed out, and rebootted, still the installer found the old raid
(how??????) and created two md0 entries in mdadm.conf
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2269 [15:51:30] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: I guess you didn't
zero it out then.
2270 [15:51:37] <rafalcpp> granted the hdd was only partially
wiped out, but partition table was gone. how it discovered old
software raid O_o
2271 [15:51:42] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: What command did you use
to wipe it?
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2273 [15:51:46] <jelly> rafalcpp: did you zero start 1M and end 1M
of every partition and disk?
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2276 [15:53:01] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: jelly zeroed beginning of
sdb enough so that the installer partitioner stopped showing old
partitions and raid and just shown it as unformatted disk with
nothing existing logically
2277 [15:53:10] <rafalcpp> * after restart
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2281 [15:53:24] <G4F21_> petn-randall: get out of here now
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2283 [15:53:36] <rafalcpp> dunno. it's as if scanned disk and
somehow discovered old raid headers. strange story isn't it
2284 [15:53:41] <grizzlyb> what is the difference between a debian
and debian mac iso?
2285 [15:53:42] <rafalcpp> maybe will have time to reproduce that
one one day
2286 [15:53:43] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Try reading the man page
before complaining about things that are already documented.
2287 [15:54:01] <petn-randall> G4F21_: What? Why?
2288 [15:54:08] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: users never do, if
it's important it should be displayed inside installer
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2291 [15:54:59] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: the mdraid tools already
have an option to wipe the metadata. You just have to use it.
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2294 [15:55:20] <G4F21_> I won't waste time on this prick
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2299 [15:55:31] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: how can installer find
old meta-data, if the partition sdb3 containing it is gone (by
removing partition table)?
2300 [15:55:33] <jelly> !next
2301 [15:55:33] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2303 [15:56:01] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Have you read the man
page yet? It would cut the discussion down greatly.
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2306 [15:58:27] <rafalcpp> jelly: now the problem is different,
can not find root fs.
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2310 [15:59:23] <rafalcpp> that's the classical one. brb,
should be very easy
2311 [16:00:06] <TomyWork> is /var/tmp cleaned up automatically on
wheezy?
2312 [16:00:40] <TomyWork> I'm missing a few files from there
2313 [16:00:56] <petn-randall> TomyWork: Not if it's on
physical disk.
2314 [16:01:02] <TomyWork> it is
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2316 [16:01:18] <petn-randall> TomyWork: Restore from backups?
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2318 [16:01:35] <TomyWork> petn-randall who backups a tmp
directory? :)
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2320 [16:01:53] <petn-randall> TomyWork: Then the data isn't
important, I guess. :)
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2322 [16:02:11] <rafalcpp> or not. What was the suntax for grub
option linux /vmlinuz.... root=??? ? the /boot is ext4 on sdb1. the
actuall root is on encrypted partition that init scripts should open
2323 [16:02:13] <petn-randall> TomyWork: But seriously though,
there's no tmpreaper on a usual instllation.
2324 [16:02:17] <TomyWork> it's not that important. i just
want to know if there's an automatism before i tell people that
some*one* deleted it :)
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2327 [16:03:22] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: which part of "man
mdadm"? I don't see it
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2336 [16:05:52] <rafalcpp> is it --zero-superblock
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2339 [16:06:46] <coke> TomyWork: everyone who uses snapshots
2340 [16:06:53] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Could be. What does the
description say?
2341 [16:07:13] <coke> on the underlaying storage
2342 [16:07:25] <rafalcpp> If the device contains a valid md
superblock, the block is overwritten with zeros.
2343 [16:07:29] <tdn> I get a lot of ACPI errors in dmesg
everytime I run 'sensors' (lm-sensors). How do I fix this
problem?
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2348 [16:09:43] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Does that answer your
question?
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2352 [16:12:03] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: no
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2354 [16:12:38] <rafalcpp> still no idea how it survived, and
still debian installer should add option to nuke/ignore preexisting
partitions it "helpfully" auto discovers
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2356 [16:13:38] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: It already has the
option? You just didn't use it.
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2360 [16:14:34] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: So we already found the
option to wipe the superblock. Now we'll take a look at the
meta-data format, which is also defined in there. Look up the
meta-data formats.
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2363 [16:16:20] <XeonSquared> Is it possible to use a kernel as
old as 3.2 on Debian 8?
2364 [16:17:15] <abrotman> you can try anything you want, it
won't be supported, and probably won't work
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2366 [16:19:17] <XeonSquared> That's comforting.
2367 [16:19:19] <BluesKaj> XeonSquared, suspect you have an app
that needs a regression ?
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2369 [16:19:46] <XeonSquared> BluesKaj: More like a machine. Newer
ATI video drivers don't support the weird GPU in an old Mac
2370 [16:20:02] <XeonSquared> You can get sane output with a
little messing around but no hardware acceleration or anything like
that
2371 [16:20:40] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: systemd makes heavy
use of cgroups which old kernels don't support. I'd rather
find a way to get it running on a newer kernel, maybe even try the
one on backports.
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2374 [16:22:18] <XeonSquared> Well, the machine is currently
running Debian 7, because it's flawless. No xorg.conf
neccesary. Kernel 3.2. I tried 8 for a while but like I said, the
ATI driver doesn't like the GPU, so I don't think a newer
kernel is an option.
2375 [16:22:47] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: well --metadata says that
meta should be at 4K from start, and on end. Hm, it's in that
places in entire "sda" when raid is created on
"sda3"?
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2377 [16:23:41] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: I'm guessing that
you don't need to install an extra driver with newer kernels,
they support the ATI cards with the FOSS one.
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2380 [16:24:02] <XeonSquared> petn-randall: no driver neccesary on
the old one
2381 [16:24:07] <XeonSquared> It worked out of the box.
2382 [16:24:34] <XeonSquared> ... That term isn't entirely
accurate, but anyway.
2383 [16:24:39] <petn-randall> XeonSquared: I see. Then it should
also work on newer kernels, though regressions are possible.
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2385 [16:25:14] <XeonSquared> Welp, a fresh install can do X
happily on 7, but on 8 I get 4 shades of purple and if I fix that I
don't get 3D acceleration so I guess that's a regression.
2386 [16:25:19] <rafalcpp> hm after fresh install, still the boot
process can not find LV with root, it does not ask for password. Why
this could be, the encryption was created during installation (the
same way that always worked)
2387 [16:26:03] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: If you have the meta-data
block at the end of the partition, and you overwrite only the
beginning of the disk, have you overwritten the meta-data?
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2390 [16:26:32] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: effectivly it can not be
find, without scanning entire disk, if system doesnt know on which
sector sda3 was beginning
2391 [16:27:24] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: And what happens if the
system reads it from the end of the disk?
2392 [16:27:26] <rafalcpp> so metadata that was in sda3+0 or
sda3+4096, or sda3+sizeof(sda3) , should be inaccessible after
partition table was killed and system rebooted
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2394 [16:28:13] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: on end of entire sda
there is raid data for raids sda3, sda4, sda5 all together?
2395 [16:28:24] <rafalcpp> well that would survive yeah
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2401 [16:29:34] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: The mdraid doesn't
care much about partitions. If there's no partition table,
it'll just read the meta-data from the end of the disk.
2402 [16:30:13] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: But this in not a
problem, because if you actually *use* the installer to remove
mdraid, it'll wipe the superblock.
2403 [16:31:18] <BluesKaj> XeonSquared, assume you tried
older/legacy drivers on debian 8 ?
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2407 [16:33:42] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: not really, if you just
click on the disk and tell it to start over with new parttable, it
doesn't cleanly remove the raid it discovered
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2410 [16:34:17] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: I thought you wiped the
disk by hand? Which is it now?
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2413 [16:34:40] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: after the option to start
with new parttable didn't worked, instead I zeroed begining of
disk and rebooted
2414 [16:35:25] <rafalcpp> hm on boot, the init scripts do not ask
for crypt password that is needed for root. what lines were needed
for that, and is it in grub.cfg or in initramfs?
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2423 [16:40:30] <rafalcpp> how to see all metadata, mdadm --detail
--scan shows just one array, but somehow system detects another one
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2428 [16:43:51] <XeonSquared> BluesKaj: legacy flgrx is too new
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2430 [16:44:54] <XeonSquared> fglrx?
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2442 [16:47:03] <BluesKaj> XeonSquared, yeah, fglrx
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touch acpi-virtual* sensors (I don't know how to actually do
that)?
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2526 [17:29:22] <injustice> can i get kdump-tools to just write
out the dmesg and not the core file?
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2536 [17:32:58] <jhutchins_wk> injustice: dmesg > target.txt?
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2549 [17:38:03] <tw> Can I reliably use busybox(-static) as sh on
a debian system?
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2551 [17:38:54] <greycat> I'm gonna go with "Try It And
See". Not sure what POSIX features busybox sh may be missing
these days....
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2553 [17:39:21] <injustice> jhutchins_wk: it seems to be running
one of its own scripts on my behalf, which includes capturing dmesg
(it uses /sbin/vmcore-dmesg) and also writes out a core file. I want
just the dmesg (from the crashed kernel) to be preserved
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2581 [17:48:55] <jelly> tw: as /bin/sh, or as root's
login/interactive shell?
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2583 [17:49:12] <tw> jelly: as /bin/sh
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2585 [17:49:41] <greycat> There shouldn't really *be* an
interactive root shell, or if there is, you shouldn't be
worried about strict POSIX compliance in it.
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2588 [17:50:31] <jelly> I like having a useful interactive shell
to manage stuff in
2589 [17:50:48] <greycat> In that case you'd run zsh or bash
or ksh or ....
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2591 [17:50:55] <jelly> yes
2592 [17:51:08] <jelly> that order is correct :-)
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2596 [17:51:59] <king_frog> Hello, I have quite a dumb question
and googling it has not helped me
2597 [17:52:35] <king_frog> In particular about editing the
xconfig file. I tried joining an X11 channel but it was invite only.
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2600 [17:53:37] <TimurTheLame> king_frog, let'er rip
2601 [17:54:01] <jelly> king_frog: can you find this xconfig file
on debian?
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2603 [17:54:39] <king_frog> Hello hi, thank you. I'm trying
to sort out mouse buttons and a guide told me to edit xconfig. I
have the folder it should be in but there is no file here, so either
I messed up or I have to make it.
2604 [17:55:13] <TimurTheLame> king_frog, can you give us the
guide's link?
2605 [17:55:16] <king_frog> My question was do I have to edit this
file as root or as the user?
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2609 [17:56:49] <king_frog> Yes,
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2610 [17:56:52] <jhutchins_wk> king_frog: As root. Look at the
docs for how to get xorg to generate a default file.
2611 [17:56:55] <greycat> There isn't an X config file by
default any more.
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2620 [17:58:17] <king_frog> Thanks, that's a help
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2624 [17:59:43] <jhutchins_wk> king_frog: Generally anything
system-wide will be as root. If it's user specific, as user.
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2627 [18:00:14] <king_frog> Thanks again. It's my first time
doing running a system with multiple users.
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2639 [18:04:56] <tw> Regarding busybox as /bin/sh, since busybox
(jessie,stretch) is built to prefer applets, it causes a problem
with a number of system scripts including ifup/ifdown and some part
of the post-auth x11 session startup (either the xsession cmds or a
problem with lxde).
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2642 [18:05:51] <tw> there are good reasons to prefer applets when
using busybox for recovery, so it's not really a bug, it just
doesn't work.
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2646 [18:06:18] <jelly> what was your use case
2647 [18:06:43] <tw> the main problem is run-parts --list; the
busybox run-parts doesn't implement --list
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2650 [18:07:16] <tw> I am using debian as part of a bsp.
2651 [18:07:26] <greycat> !bsp
2652 [18:07:26] <dpkg> A Bug Squashing Party (BSP) is a gathering
of Debian Developers and enthusiasts at a specific time, to fix as
many <bugs> as possible.
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2653 [18:07:35] <tw> Sorry, board support package.
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2655 [18:07:40] <tw> too many acronyms.
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2658 [18:08:03] <tw> it's an arm image on an embedded system.
2659 [18:08:10] <greycat> So the issue with busybox isn't sh
at all, but *other* busybox programs.
2660 [18:08:49] <tw> Right, and that busybox prefers the internal
applets instead of the external ones.
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2664 [18:09:12] <tw> The behavior isn't wrong, it's just
incompatible with being used as /bin/sh
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2671 [18:10:36] <jelly> at least on a system that still uses init
scripts
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2673 [18:11:16] <jelly> if you only had systemd units or whatnot
you'd probably care less about run-parts
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2676 [18:11:51] <greycat> Biggest user is cron.
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2748 [18:37:07] <uso> is there any way to run a process on a
system with a very low priority? I'm trying to copy a few TB of
data to an external disk, run the process with nice -19, ionice -c3
and nocache and it still renders my whole system unusable
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2754 [18:38:16] <DoberMann> uso: usb drive ? ;)
2755 [18:38:31] <uso> DoberMann: sure :)
2756 [18:39:05] <DoberMann> maybe using ionice it will work, but
not sure with usb device
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2758 [18:39:37] <uso> but the problem is not the USB drive, it
looks like the problem is the memory management
2759 [18:40:38] <sine0> fresh debian install, lamp installed.
wordpress local dev. the machine is 192.168.0.6 and I am on laptop
on 0.5 . when I request the page it really really hangs and loads
after about 15 seconds. this has happend to me before on a different
computer and network so i know this is some kind of config problem.
apache was fine default with virtual hosts, now i have installed
wordpress and there is soem
2760 [18:40:44] <sine0> bottlekneck. the trouble is i dont know
how to find out whats causing the delay. the server is fresh i5 w8GB
ram, on eth0, should be no issues at all. I have watched htop and
iftop and there are no problems.
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2765 [18:41:20] <uso> the system only has 8GB of RAM and the
system uses 80% of the memory for cache so that a lot of the deskop
applications are swapped out
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2773 [18:42:48] <jelly> uso: that's not a problem as long as
nothing is actively swapping in or out
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2776 [18:43:34] <jelly> uso: run "vmstat 1" for a while,
see if there's significant nonzero volume in "si" and
"so" columns
2777 [18:43:41] <uso> jelly: it havily is, that's what makes
my desktop unresponsible
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2780 [18:44:19] <jelly> uso: does vmstat's output confirm
that?
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2784 [18:45:06] <uso> jelly: si is between 100 and 500, not sure
what units that uses
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2786 [18:45:51] <uso> but with iotop I see one or more kworker
processes with 99% disk usage
2787 [18:45:55] <jelly> 1KiB
2788 [18:46:13] <jelly> uso: that'd be the one having to deal
with usb device
2789 [18:46:38] <jelly> sadly this is normal with usb2
2790 [18:46:40] <uso> jelly: and how can I reduce it's
priority?
2791 [18:47:33] <jelly> no idea, I investigated for a while and
decided my time and money is better spent just buying a usb3 card
and disks.
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2794 [18:48:02] <uso> jelly: that behaviour is fixed with USB3?
that would be good news
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2797 [18:48:32] <jelly> you can try telling the kernel to use swap
less, but that won't solve the cause
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2800 [18:49:02] <jelly> uso:
replaced-url
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2804 [18:49:43] <uso> jelly: I was afraid of that
2805 [18:49:46] <jelly> (personally I consider the default
"60" value to be MUCH too aggressive for both desktops and
server use, and reduce it to 10... whatever that means)
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2809 [18:51:16] <uso> jelly: I already have played around with
swappiness and vfs_cache_pressure, but that slows down normal disk
operations a lot then
2810 [18:51:51] <jelly> sometimes picking a different usb port
makes a difference
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2814 [18:52:21] <jelly> if i remember correctly
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2823 [18:53:35] <uso> I'm about to look for a new PC (mainly
because I need more memory and updating my old PC is too expensive),
so when that problem is fixed with USB 3 I won't invest too
much time looking into it
2824 [18:53:38] <SlutSex123> vagina
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2842 [18:58:51] <uso> so in general I do not have much control
over the priority of single processes, the only way to make the
system more responsive is to tune the memory management of the whole
system, right?
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2846 [18:59:51] <ksk> uso: what? look into cgroups if you want to
limit the memory per process.
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2851 [19:00:40] <ksk> and "tuning the memory managment"
is not something you do, imho.
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2854 [19:00:53] <jelly> uso: when you're dealing with a
shitty driver for a shitty ehci controller, which hasn't been
dealt with properly on linux during the last what, 15 years, the
actual thing that works best is to stop using it
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2862 [19:01:35] <ksk> oh its about copying to a disk? maybe use
some kind of pipe that has a bandwith limit? sounds very hackish
though
2863 [19:01:52] <ksk> or, use rsync with bandwith.
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2867 [19:03:03] <uso> jelly: that means a yes for it's fixed
with USB 3, or is it a genearal problem with USB?
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2869 [19:03:32] <uso> ksk: bandwith limit with rsync that's a
good idea
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2871 [19:04:08] <jelly> uso: usb3 is a lot better, if anything
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2873 [19:04:26] <jelly> even usb3 devices on usb2
2874 [19:04:33] <uso> is there a good way to see what the cached
memory is used for, preferrably in an understandable form :) ?
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2878 [19:04:55] <uso> jelly: it's an USB 3 disk on a USB 2
controller
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2881 [19:06:20] <jelly> dunno, those have been working well for me
last couple of years
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2901 [19:12:56] <petn-randall> uso: Which kernel are you running?
There have been some concurrency fixes for slow I/O devices in
recentish kernels.
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2906 [19:13:36] <uso> petn-randall: the default kernel, 3.16
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2913 [19:14:21] <uso> petn-randall: I need nvidia legacy driver,
does that work with the bpo kernel?
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2915 [19:15:25] <petn-randall> uso: I think the FOSS driver will
cover that, so no legacy non-free driver needed.
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2924 [19:16:52] <uso> petn-randall: I have a dual GPU, 3 monitors
setup, last time I've tried nouveau I could not get it to work
2925 [19:17:16] <uso> but that has been after jessie has been
released, I'll give it another try with stretch
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2943 [19:25:31] <dadinn> hi all
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2949 [19:26:08] <dadinn> trying to boot debian live 8.6.0 cd image
(iso) under kvm, but I am getting an error message saying it is not
bootable
2950 [19:26:17] <dadinn> is this a known issue?
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2966 [19:31:11] <sine0> how can i disable ipv6
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2968 [19:31:42] <greycat> Explain why you think you want to do
that, so people can fix your real problem.
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2975 [19:32:59] <n0arch> o ive missed u greycat ;D
2976 [19:33:02] <sine0> your astute intuition pleases me.
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2978 [19:34:42] <TimurTheLame> sine0,
replaced-url
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2983 [19:35:00] <KNERD> What's going on with Firefox? Left my
laptop unattended for four days, come back and I see Firefox has not
only consumed the entire system's RAM, but was demanding more
to the point it was causing page swaps which made disk usage go to
100%.
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2985 [19:35:36] <missmbob> you can use sysctl for active session.
sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 for example
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2989 [19:36:45] <c1a551f1ed> Same answer, though. Disabling IPv6
is likely not the real solution to the actual problem.
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3000 [19:39:22] <BluesKaj> the new FF versions use pulseaudio by
default now ...goodbye FF
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3002 [19:40:43] <ryouma> BluesKaj: does that mean they will not
work if you have purged pulseaudio?
3003 [19:40:55] <uso> BluesKaj: do they still work with alsa?
(when there's no pulseaudio installed)
3004 [19:41:26] <ryouma> purging pulseaudio was the best thing i
did for my debian
3005 [19:41:31] <BluesKaj> ryouma, no audio
3006 [19:41:39] <elatllat> KNERD: plugins? how much RAM you have?
maybe an auto upgrade issue?
3007 [19:41:43] <BluesKaj> in FF52 and up
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3011 [19:42:24] <KNERD> elatllat: I really don't have any
plugins, just tab mix plus, and it's an old one with 4GB of RAM
3012 [19:42:40] <ryouma> but stretch is below that so maybe they
will become sane by stretch+1
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3017 [19:43:06] <ryouma> i have 4gb also and firefox has to be
rebooted frequently
3018 [19:43:06] <BluesKaj> ryouma, it's a matter of
preference alright, especially with intel audio which uses alsa
directly with no dependence on pulse
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3020 [19:43:43] <BluesKaj> unless you want to stream several audio
sources simultaneously
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3022 [19:44:36] <ryouma> i only want one at a time :)
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3024 [19:44:41] <elatllat> like say p2p/webrtc video chat with a
group of 5
3025 [19:44:56] <ryouma> i suppose a notification would be good +
vlc
3026 [19:45:32] <BluesKaj> ryouma, well, setting google paranoia
aside, chrome browser now fills the bill for me
3027 [19:45:37] <elatllat> pulse sucks but also is unpractically
limiting these days.
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3029 [19:46:21] <ryouma> i need both firefox and chromium for
different purposes (and not sure i can trust chromium's
extensions)
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3032 [19:47:32] <mednut> Question, I'm currently logged into
a machine as root, but I don't have the current root password.
Is there a way i can change this password without rebooting the
machine and booting into grub?
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3034 [19:47:51] <greycat> Yes. Learn the current password.
3035 [19:47:57] <BluesKaj> well, my patience with HTML5 adoption
has run out so chrome it is.
3036 [19:48:03] <greycat> Or acquire root privileges somehow.
3037 [19:48:10] <mednut> im logged in as root
3038 [19:48:16] <mednut> root password needs to be changed
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3040 [19:48:26] <mednut> passwd asks for current password
3041 [19:48:42] <ryouma> what does id say?
3042 [19:48:45] <greycat> Oh, if you are already root, just run
"passwd root".
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3044 [19:49:13] <uso> KNERD: firefox eats up a lot of RAM when it
runs for a longer time, mine often uses 5 GB and more
3045 [19:49:13] <greycat> root@wooledg:/home/wooledg# passwd root
3046 [19:49:13] <greycat> Enter new UNIX password:
3047 [19:49:18] <BluesKaj> ryouma, chromium and chrome are
different browsers with respect to plugins flash etc
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3049 [19:49:21] <greycat> Does not prompt for current password.
3050 [19:49:22] <elatllat> mednut: sudo -i then passwd
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3053 [19:50:32] <elatllat> BluesKaj:what part of HTML5 did FF
miss?
3054 [19:50:34] <ryouma> BluesKaj: yeah, just don't know if
it's safe to use google's product /and/ extensions from
its repo, without vetting them
3055 [19:50:47] <KNERD> uso: yeah, and that is a problem..memory
leak perhapse?
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3058 [19:52:15] <elatllat> Yah I think the FF memory issues are
Linux specific because (the limiting)MacOS keeps FF around 1GB...
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3061 [19:52:22] <BluesKaj> elatllat, it's not FF that's
at fault, it's the webmasters etc who don't adopt HTML5 on
their websites
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3063 [19:52:42] <greycat> BluesKaj: or both.
3064 [19:52:45] <elatllat> BluesKaj: don't go to those
websites
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3068 [19:53:39] <BluesKaj> elatllat, heh, how do you know ?
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3070 [19:53:53] <uso> KNERD: of course it's a problem, but
nothing new, and seeing what complexity browsers have reached it
probably never will get fixed, the only workaround is to restart the
browser at least once a day
3071 [19:54:11] <mednut__> ok so does anyone in here know much
about proxmox / ceph?
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3074 [19:54:20] <greycat> !proxmox
3075 [19:54:21] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is
a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a
virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not
supported in #debian. There's an unofficial
proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see
##replaced-url
3076 [19:54:24] <ryouma> find . -name \*.sqlite\* -exec echo {} \;
-exec sqlite3 {} 'VACUUM; REINDEX; ANALYZE;' \;
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3079 [19:54:30] <BluesKaj> greycat, most browsers can handle HTML5
already
3080 [19:54:35] <ryouma> BluesKaj:
3081 [19:54:42] <elatllat> uso: ... or you could make a memory
dump and file a bug report.
3082 [19:54:50] <ryouma> turn firefox off
3083 [19:54:51] <greycat> BluesKaj: "can handle" does
not necessarily mean "has no memory leaks"
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3085 [19:54:56] <missmbob> i dont restart my browser daily.
that's silly.
3086 [19:55:01] <uso> elatllat: good luck to that :)
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3091 [19:56:06] <ryouma> also my firefox has all tabs greyed out
by default. dunno if that is bartab or default for firefox these
days.
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3093 [19:57:41] <BluesKaj> ryouma..not worried about google like
everyone else is ...internet conspiracy theories is mostly BS anyway
, there are other ways to track an why would they track me
..I'm just an old retired guy who they find out quick enough
isn't much of a consumer
3094 [19:57:47] <KNERD> i think that is firefox..it has gotten
hard to tell which tab is open on that browswer now days. I always
accidentally close the wrong tab
3095 [19:58:30] <ryouma> BluesKaj: dunno re google, just being
cautious, don't install non-repo programs, etc.
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3099 [19:59:04] <Phage> Is Ruby pre-installed on Debian?
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3102 [19:59:29] <greycat> not by default
3103 [19:59:37] <Phage> sad panda :(
3104 [19:59:38] <BluesKaj> ryouma, my expereince with chrome has
been fine now for over a yr ..no worries
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3106 [19:59:53] <ryouma> you install a lot of extensions? too many
moving ads etc. for me
3107 [20:00:06] <greycat> Default Debian install has (I think)
Bash, Perl, Python.
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3110 [20:01:01] <BluesKaj> ryouma, not many just an adblock
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3160 [20:20:10] <tdn> Is there a way in Debian 8 with systemd to
get a list of all services and which are running and which are not?
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3162 [20:20:25] <greycat> systemctl status
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3164 [20:20:39] <greycat> also, systemctl -a ... also, man
systemctl
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3202 [20:40:04] <tdn> greycat, I was hoping for something that
will list all services and then have a status column with values
such as RUNNING, STOPPED, FAILED, etc. Maybe even red/green dots.
3203 [20:40:11] <tdn> Not sure how to read systemctl status
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3222 [20:49:04] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: What about ps ax?
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3226 [20:49:34] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: Ah, yeah, that'd be
useful.
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3232 [20:52:47] <ksk> tdn: from what I understand so far (Talking
to the systemd people in irc) and reading that:
replaced-url
3233 [20:52:52] <zylinx> hello, i installed ufw and apt raised
'update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no
longer...' does this mean ufw will not start and reboot ?
3234 [20:53:01] <ajaXHorseman> I don't think its my router as
everything else on the network works fine. I just went into my
router and set it to open dns and it didn't help anything. I am
really stuck on this one any help would be greatly appreciated lol
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3236 [20:53:15] <ksk> the systemd commandline tools are not to be
used via another (automated) tool - you would have to use the DBus
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3238 [20:54:03] <ksk> tdn: also take a look here maybe:
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3243 [20:54:50] <ksk> thats why I still use monit with systemd,
which then has its own checks to check if any service is running :(
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3252 [21:00:20] <sine0> greycat: with remote desktop on a headless
server does a GPU card help?
3253 [21:00:41] <sine0> im not sure if the GPU sends it all out
through the pipes :P
3254 [21:00:53] <greycat> tdn: systemctl -t service -a
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3256 [21:02:39] <Megaf_> Hi all, can you tell me a simple and
efficient init software?
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3258 [21:02:56] <Megaf_> upstart has plymouth as dep and I
don't want systemd
3259 [21:03:00] <Megaf_> alternatives?
3260 [21:03:13] <greycat> I don't believe there are any that
are "simple".
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3272 [21:06:27] <ajaXHorseman> Everytime I reboot it sets the dns
back to the router(192.168.1.1) the router is set to opendns
3273 [21:06:38] <jelly> Megaf_, if you've worked with
daemontools before, something like runit will me familiar. Or s6 but
I'm not sure that's packaged in debian
3274 [21:06:53] <jelly> will be* familiar
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3276 [21:06:56] <ajaXHorseman> I am out of ideas to try, any help
debian world?
3277 [21:07:14] <jelly> !override dns
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3279 [21:07:14] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified
nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server,
echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;"
>> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for
more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use
"prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or
remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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3281 [21:08:03] <jelly> that's a workaround. Finding the root
cause would probably be nicer.
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3283 [21:08:32] <greycat> It's highly likely the "root
cause" is that he's running DHCP.
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3287 [21:09:16] <ajaXHorseman> Thank you jelly, trying. . .
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3290 [21:11:44] <ajaXHorseman> Any ideas as to why it would
randomly change in the middle of the night?
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3292 [21:12:01] <greycat> DHCP
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3294 [21:12:21] <greycat> When the DHCP lease expires, you
re-contact the DHCP server and get a new IP and new resolv.conf and
so on.
3295 [21:12:26] <greycat> Multiple times per day, potentially.
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3298 [21:14:05] <ajaXHorseman> I get that but why would it change
the dns to my router? Then it uses the router dns settings i am
guessing?
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3301 [21:14:31] <greycat> Yes, normally a plastic router acts as a
DHCP server and DNS resolver for your home network.
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3303 [21:14:36] <jelly> typically the router is also the dhcp
server and dns recursor server.
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3306 [21:14:52] <teraflops> heh plastic router
3307 [21:14:57] <ajaXHorseman> lol
3308 [21:15:04] <greycat> If you don't want that, follow one
of the ideas from the "override dns" factoid.
3309 [21:15:07] <ajaXHorseman> Well I do have a plastic router.
3310 [21:15:11] <greycat> Me too.
3311 [21:15:27] <teraflops> we all have one
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3313 [21:16:01] <jelly> plastic, reminiscent of
"fragile" and "cheap", is also a decent
description of such routers firmware, including the dns recursor
included
3314 [21:16:02] <deego> How do I change my From email address in
reportbug?
3315 [21:16:17] <ajaXHorseman> lol I just started using dd-wrt and
don't really know much about it, thought about flashing back
just to see if I could get lucky w/stock net gear
3316 [21:16:25] <greycat> deego: man reportbug, look for the word
EMAIL
3317 [21:16:30] <teraflops> jelly: yeah I got what greycat meant I
think
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3321 [21:16:51] <ajaXHorseman> But everything else on the network
works fine other Debian boxes have no problems.
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3327 [21:18:15] <jelly> you can probably configure said dd-wrt
firmware and maybe tell it to give dhcp clients a different (set of)
dns resolver values.
3328 [21:18:31] <jelly> oops, sentence broken
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3332 [21:20:06] <teraflops> many of those plastic routers can run
openwrt or similar which is nice
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3341 [21:25:29] <ajaXHorseman> Do I need to reboot after the
override dns?
3342 [21:26:04] <greycat> Depends on which thing(s) you do. You
probably want to restart the DHCP client daemon. Easiest way to do
that is typically "ifdown eth0; sleep 1; ifup eth0"
3343 [21:26:10] <ajaXHorseman> I dont think it worked. I really
think its something else too possibly. My slack client wont connect.
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3351 [21:28:54] <ajaXHorseman> I can connect with hexchat but not
slack or my mail client
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3353 [21:29:46] <deego> I just submitted a reportbug for hp-scan
in that if you scan "my receipt.pdf", it tries to run xpdf
on my. Is that just a minor bug, or is it a security issue as well?
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3356 [21:30:35] <greycat> Not a security bug, unless this thing
runs with elevated privileges. Just a bug.
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3361 [21:33:02] <jhutchins_wk> Well, just a failure to deal with
an unescaped space.
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3363 [21:33:30] <jhutchins_wk> deego: Lots of programs don't
like spaces in names. Did you have quotes around it?
3364 [21:33:51] <greycat> I don't know whether it's a
command line program, or a thing that prompts for a filename in a
GUI, or what.
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3367 [21:34:44] <deego> jhutchins_wk: hp-scan --file="my
document.pdf"
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3369 [21:35:07] <deego> it scans correctly ..
3370 [21:35:25] <ajaXHorseman> When trying to bring the interface
down it tels me its not configured. Could Deluge which is the
torrent client that was running could have changed something? Or
possibly my vpn?
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3373 [21:36:00] <tomjones> rv]
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3375 [21:36:06] <ajaXHorseman> Forgive me if this is a retarded
questions, but isn't there logs somewhere that show changes
made to the dns or interfaces?
3376 [21:36:15] <missmbob> no deluge wouldnt touch anything
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3378 [21:36:34] <greycat> ajaXHorseman: the dhcp client daemon may
log somewhere. I don't know.
3379 [21:37:20] <ajaXHorseman> Man this is looking like a fresh
install problem lol
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3381 [21:37:26] <ajaXHorseman> fack.
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3384 [21:38:10] <jhutchins_wk> ajaXHorseman: Are you sure you
didn't tell the router to use opendns as the source, but still
act as the local DNS server?
3385 [21:38:19] <jhutchins_wk> ajaXHorseman: 'cause
that's usually all you can set.
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3394 [21:39:24] <sh00p> fuaarrk when is stretch stable
3395 [21:39:30] <greycat> WIR
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3397 [21:39:41] <missmbob> 188 bugs to go
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3399 [21:39:48] <TomTomTosch> maybe something like journalctl |
grep -i 'dhcp'
3400 [21:40:05] <greycat> 188 bugs on the wall / 188 bugs / Take
one down, patch it around / 193 bugs on the wall
3401 [21:40:12] <sh00p> that don't sound so bad
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3404 [21:42:00] <ajaXHorseman> lol
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3441 [21:57:06] <ajaXHorseman> jhutchins_wk: I only input the ip
addresses into the field for static DNS. DHCP type = DHCP server and
its enabled
3442 [21:57:30] <ajaXHorseman> another note is I can not connect
to the router from this machine either.
3443 [21:57:44] <ajaXHorseman> I mean I cant access it
3444 [21:57:52] <ajaXHorseman> from a browser
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3451 [22:01:05] <ajaXHorseman> I can access sites just fine with a
proxy and foxy proxy.
3452 [22:01:39] <greycat> Your proxy may be preventing you from
making a direct HTTP connection to the router's IP.
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3454 [22:02:12] <jhutchins_wk> ajaXHorseman: So you've set an
external opendns server as the DNS for the router?
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3491 [22:20:05] <tdn> greycat, that works. Thanks!
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3507 [22:30:07] <ajaXHorseman> Im giving up. Ill see you guys on a
fresh install.
3508 [22:30:37] <ajaXHorseman> side note: best back up for all
your files when reinstalling?
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3515 [22:34:05] <ryouma> debian has many backup systems. rsync is
idempotent, so you can just do it yourself and update it if you
remember something new.
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3518 [22:35:27] <ryouma> rsnapshot is based on rsync. a few others
too. . obnam has interesting fanciness. rdiff-backup has a
finer-grained transfer system but less familiar retrieval and
squashing type options. there are more enterprisey systems too.
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3559 [22:59:02] <kevr> is there an alternative to bluetoothctl
that isn't interactive?
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3563 [23:01:17] <teraflops> kevr: what's your issue?
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3569 [23:02:39] <G4F21> Hello what's the script for simple
building debian packages?
3570 [23:02:46] <kevr> teraflops: i need to setup some bluetooth
management in the background, and i don't want to use an
interactive application to do it
3571 [23:02:50] <G4F21> what is it called?
3572 [23:03:00] <G4F21> I remember that was make or something
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3574 [23:03:12] <teraflops> kevr: as in?
3575 [23:03:12] <kevr> but i dont really want to lose the
abilities that bluetoothctl has
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3578 [23:03:43] <teraflops> kevr: hcitool iirc
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3580 [23:03:48] <kevr> teraflops: just basic stuff. setup
bluetooth device, make it discoverable, scan, make people able to
connect to it, with a possible passphrase, etc
3581 [23:04:03] <kevr> yeah, ive gotten pretty good progress with
hcitool but there's some things that i can't figure out
how to do with hcitool
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3583 [23:04:06] <teraflops> kevr: scripting it?
3584 [23:04:16] <kevr> scripting what?
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3586 [23:04:19] <teraflops> kevr: use dbus (good luck)
3587 [23:04:41] <teraflops> kevr: . setup bluetooth device, make
it discoverable, scan, make people able to connect to it ...
3588 [23:05:02] <kevr> okay, so after i do that shit with
bluetoothctl i can just exit it and itll work fine?
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3590 [23:05:17] <kevr> but then for example, how do i query
bluetoothctl for an already scanned list of devices
3591 [23:05:22] <kevr> without being interactive
3592 [23:05:37] <teraflops> kevr: the problem is that upstream
deprecated many bluez utils, like hciconfig and so on
3593 [23:05:40] <G4F21> Ah I got it
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3596 [23:05:49] <kevr> yeah
3597 [23:05:52] <kevr> i got that
3598 [23:05:58] <kevr> but why would they not provide another
command-like utility
3599 [23:06:00] <teraflops> kevr: idk if stretch will keep them or
not tbh
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3601 [23:07:03] <teraflops> kevr: as I said use dbus
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3603 [23:07:29] <teraflops> it will work, but speaking dbus is
like speaking klingon :P
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3606 [23:08:25] <kevr> i see, so im gonna have to actually just
directly speak to dbus in a script
3607 [23:08:28] <kevr> jesus
3608 [23:08:29] <kevr> alright, thanks
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3611 [23:10:53] <teraflops> kevr: I bet you can use something in
the middle for mitigating the pain
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3614 [23:11:33] <teraflops> kevr: and ofc bluez has an API
3615 [23:11:49] <teraflops> kevr: random search
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3632 [23:18:10] <thecha> does the -doc part of any softwar
represent its man pages?
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3634 [23:18:59] <ryouma> info pages too
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3666 [23:38:03] <harovali> hi, any hint to install python3.6 in
jessie?
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3672 [23:39:36] <jmcnaught> harovali: do it in a container or a
chroot, don't compromise your debian system by replacing its
python packages
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3679 [23:43:58] <harovali> jmcnaught: thanks
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3702 [23:57:04] <dokma> How do I tell apt that my packages from
backports are newer than stable? It keeps trying to upgrad bpo ->
stable.
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