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• 17[00:08:33] <ryouma> concerning?
• 18[00:09:00] <ryouma> are you talking about the grub thing where it searches and spams your messages log?
• 19[00:09:08] <ryouma> so it can build the menu?
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• 26[00:13:02] <Brigo> ryouma, i was talking about google, wich i used for answering his question.
• 27[00:13:04] <Heston> hi guys, on debian stable are my only options for a modern web browser firefox and chromium?
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• 30[00:13:36] <n4dir> are there any other options in general?
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• 32[00:14:13] <Heston> no idea
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• 35[00:14:42] <Heston> the fact that chromium bugs me for a root password on startup has scared me away from it
• 36[00:14:54] <n4dir> the subject of browsers comes up once in a while, and i think those are really the only two.
• 37[00:15:34] <n4dir> i use falkon (qupzilla?), if netsurf isn't sufficient. But in general, i think it's really those two
• 38[00:15:43] <ryouma> Brigo: oh. that joke flew right over me.
• 39[00:16:03] <Heston> there are a lot of other obscure browsers to choose from but im guessing functionality is hit or miss
• 40[00:16:14] <Heston> netsurf is a pretty cool project
• 41[00:16:17] <Brigo> ryouma, i can see that :)
• 42[00:16:48] <n4dir> It is, but i wouldn't call it modern. The german ubuntu wiki has a list of web-browser, i can look for the link, but there really isn't that much.
• 43[00:17:00] <n4dir> and, as said, most seem to agree that it's either chromium or firefox
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• 45[00:17:21] <ryouma> creating yet another duopoly in computing
• 46[00:17:27] <n4dir> you can have a look at qupzilla/falkon, assuming it is in debian.
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• 52[00:18:10] <n4dir> i use it so seldom that i can't realize drawbacks
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• 56[00:19:45] <ryouma> i rely on ublock origin and noscript. teh web is too neurologically overstimulating without them.
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• 62[00:21:17] <Heston> im using noscript with firefox but the odd website becomes impossible to use
• 63[00:21:37] <Heston> so I usually use another browser with no restrictions
• 64[00:21:53] <Heston> in those cases
• 65[00:22:08] <mutante> how about Brave browser
• 66[00:22:28] <n4dir> you could use a profile (well: in the past, i assume you still can). Makes no difference though, i guess.
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• 69[00:23:11] <ryouma> profiles still work
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• 75[00:24:25] <cockroach> hi. i'm having an issue on a stretch system: during bootup I have to wait 90 seconds while systemd tries to find a partition. afterwards I can just press ctrl-d and the system boots perfectly fine, i.e. the parition is not only there but it also gets mounted correctly. this is what systemd says replaced-url
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• 78[00:24:52] <cockroach> i have tried using UUIDs rather than actual devices but that didn't help either. anything else that I could try?
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• 80[00:25:41] <n4dir> Heston: there is also midori. (as said: all those come with drawbacks, just saying they exist)
• 81[00:25:47] <ryouma> cockroach: tehre should be a setting in fstab for getting systemd to stop that, but i think there are deceptive settings that seem like they do that but don't. check the man page?
• 82[00:26:06] <Heston> n4dir, ok then. Thanks for the help
• 83[00:26:26] <n4dir> good luck :-)
• 84[00:26:37] <cockroach> ryouma: interesting, I'll see if there's anything in there that looks like it might help
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• 86[00:26:41] <ryouma> cockroach: nofail might or might not work
• 87[00:27:00] <Heston> part of xfce, neat
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• 89[00:27:21] <Heston> thanks man
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• 91[00:27:43] <ryouma> noauto might or might not be useful
• 92[00:28:46] <cockroach> ryouma: hmm, i don't think noauto would be good, I do need /home
• 93[00:29:16] <ryouma> you don't need to put it on every fs
• 94[00:29:18] <ryouma> cockroach:
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• 96[00:29:53] <ryouma> it could be a hardware issue then?
• 97[00:29:59] <ryouma> if it's home that it is balking at?
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• 100[00:31:58] <cockroach> ryouma: i don't think it's a hardware issue, if I use sysvinit it works just fine
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• 102[00:32:14] <cockroach> also, dmesg shows that both sda1 and sda2 are detected
• 103[00:32:14] <Heston> turns out the problem was some bad cookies
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• 116[00:37:09] <cockroach> ryouma: sweet, 'nofail' did the trick. thanks!
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• 119[00:38:46] <ryouma> cockroach: graet
• 120[00:38:52] <ryouma> thanks for reporting back
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• 122[00:39:17] <ryouma> i use nofail on everything except /
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• 124[00:40:10] <cockroach> i see. seems a bit unintuitive...
• 125[00:40:24] <ryouma> and i circumnvent fstab for some disks. i.e. they are not mounted by default.
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• 127[00:40:50] <ryouma> i want bootability and shut down ability. if i have / i can fix things.
• 128[00:41:00] <ryouma> so i give the middle finger to systemd
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• 130[00:41:24] <cockroach> :)
• 131[00:41:52] <cockroach> I'm still not entirely convinced that it is really better than the 'old way'
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• 136[00:42:34] <cockroach> but now it works, so that's fine with me
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• 139[00:47:07] <ryouma> i wasn't slamming systemd, just the problem you reported
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• 185[01:11:38] <johnjay> what's the difference between the program.orig.tar.gz and program-1.debian.tar.gz?
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• 188[01:12:15] <mutante> johnjay: sounds like one is pure upstream source as it was released and the other is that plus some patch that is debian specific
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• 190[01:12:48] <johnjay> ok. when i did apt-get source blah i got both
• 191[01:12:54] <johnjay> plus a folder which i guess is one of them unzipped
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• 193[01:13:32] <mutante> is the .debian.tar.gz much smaller ? then it's just the patch i guess
• 194[01:14:09] <mutante> it's to keep it clean and separate the original source from stuff added for the distro
• 195[01:14:11] <johnjay> affirmative
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• 232[01:42:58] <johnjay> hmm i unzipped it
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• 235[01:43:42] <johnjay> changelog clean compat control programname.install, programname.symbols, programname-dev.install, programname-bin.install
• 236[01:43:52] <johnjay> any of those seem familiar?
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• 238[01:44:42] <petn-randall> johnjay: It's both of them unzipped.
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• 242[01:45:22] <petn-randall> johnjay: *.orig.tar.* is the upstream tarball, maybe non-free bits removed. And *.debian.tar.* is the debian specific patches, so everything under /debian/
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• 244[01:46:09] <johnjay> so you unzip both into the same directory?
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• 246[01:46:23] <petn-randall> johnjay: apt-get source does that for you.
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• 249[01:46:58] <johnjay> ah yes i see it does now
• 250[01:47:13] <johnjay> the .debian.tar.gz just has a debian/ entry which is added
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• 252[01:47:26] <petn-randall> yes
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• 314[02:24:39] <deicide-> i'm trying to load an micro sd card into my pc but its never detected with sd card reader only way for me to load it is if i put it in my old phone and connect the phone to my pc via usb and its not detected in my new phone
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• 316[02:24:59] <deicide-> what can i do to be able to format it?
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• 371[03:13:36] <ryouma> what can i do to debug the apparent automounting of the first parti9tion on a drive?
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• 374[03:15:12] <benrob0329> The audacity package does not seem to be built with PulseAudio on Testing
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• 385[03:23:14] <velix> It's 2018 and there's still no details on the (graphical) installer, what's actually in those tasksel selections.
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• 389[03:25:07] <joepublic> velix, i am not sure the date and the list of packages installed per-task are all that tightly related.
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• 391[03:25:21] <velix> joepublic: I've seen people complaing about this for 10 years.
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• 393[03:25:29] <watchcat> i just deselect them all and install by hand later.
• 394[03:25:34] <velix> watchcat: same here.
• 395[03:25:55] <joepublic> velix, I myself think it's silly to list a bunch of unexplained tasks, but I perform the same workaround as you.
• 396[03:25:58] <velix> watchcat: I just would like to see what are "standard system utilities" in an infobox or something.
• 397[03:26:20] <benrob0329> I mean, neither the tasks nor the default desktop packages are the most logical
• 398[03:26:35] <benrob0329> like, why is konqueror a dep of plasma5? in 2018??
• 399[03:26:49] <joepublic> ryouma, perhaps try including the partition in fstab with noauto?
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• 404[03:31:17] <ryouma> joepublic: doesn't that just refer to mount -a?
• 405[03:31:41] <ryouma> as you presumed, it is not in fstab currently
• 406[03:32:12] <joepublic> I would tias.
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• 408[03:32:31] <ryouma> it seems to just mount at random times like 12pm and 6pm, not boot time or after writing to a different parittion on th same drive (which im anually mount and unmount)
• 409[03:32:43] <joepublic> my awesome power comes from willingness to experiment without undue fear of breaking things, not from encyclopedic knowledge.
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• 411[03:33:31] <ryouma> joepublic: i could try and then see if it goes away in a few days, but i'd prefer to just not automount anything if po9ssible (but i have no clue what is doing automounting)
• 412[03:33:47] <ryouma> joepublic: i get the tias idea, it's sound. but ...
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• 414[03:34:05] <joepublic> I don't know all the ways things get automounted. Wish I did.
• 415[03:34:06] <ryouma> joepublic: when i plug in an external drive, it doesn't automount, nor would luks etc. be set up i presume. so seems better to just not automoutn anything?
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• 417[03:34:53] <ryouma> i could be wrong that it is automounted. all i know is that dff shows it in /media/ and when in umount it, even the moutn point goes away. which is WEIRD
• 418[03:35:20] <ryouma> so i presume it's a system thing, not a program
• 419[03:35:29] <joepublic> that sounds like udev or similar
• 420[03:36:16] <ryouma> /etc/udev shows nothing for disks
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• 430[03:41:57] <benrob0329> Wow, a bug is nine years old, has an easy? fix and is still open with the last report being from 2015
• 431[03:42:07] <benrob0329> (On audacity not having Pulse support in Debian)
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• 433[03:42:24] <benrob0329> that's..either really impressive, or really depressing
• 434[03:42:35] <benrob0329> maybe both
• 435[03:42:37] <ryouma> not too uncommon, unfortunately, dunno why
• 436[03:42:53] * ryouma purged pulse
• 437[03:43:17] <benrob0329> I replied to it, said that it can be built with pulse nowadays and requested that it is
• 438[03:43:33] <benrob0329> ryouma: for what it is, it does the job
• 439[03:44:02] <ryouma> it did a perfect job of being unstable for me, so purging it did the job for me. ymmv.
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• 442[03:45:16] <benrob0329> I haven't had any issues with pulse in probably two or three years, which is impressive given that it's a major piece of most *nix desktops
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• 445[03:46:45] <benrob0329> ryouma: to be fair, FreeBSD's sound server is probably superior to anything we have on Linux
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• 447[03:48:17] <dvs> benrob0329, blasphemy!
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• 449[03:50:08] <ryouma> better at what?
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• 456[03:55:40] <benrob0329> ryouma: it has more features and itsn't broken up into two or three peices like Pulse and ALSA
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• 459[03:56:19] <benrob0329> Like, it has the proffetional quality of JACK but is included like ALSA, while having the per-app volume like Pulse
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• 462[03:57:09] <joepublic> and i am pretty sure it's bsd licensed, too
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• 484[04:13:24] <zerocool> hi there, how can i change a debian install dvd to automatically start a specific option after booting
• 485[04:14:06] <benrob0329> like, booting from the DVD?
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• 487[04:14:14] <zerocool> yes
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• 490[04:14:40] <joepublic> with a little tiny piece of sandpaper and a little tiny polishing cloth, maybe?
• 491[04:14:50] <dvs> ???
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• 493[04:15:07] <joepublic> unless it's a dvd-rw in which the case the drive can do it
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• 496[04:17:17] <benrob0329> joepublic: you'd have to completely remove the plastic layer and adjust the reflective disk in the middle :P
• 497[04:17:30] <benrob0329> zerocool: probably make a custom boot disk
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• 501[04:19:17] <zerocool> right i am wondering how i can say "default to automatic install" (i have a preseed waiting in initrd), and timeout after 0 seconds so it'll just automatically start
• 502[04:19:39] <zerocool> i've done it before but i can't find my own notes!
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• 506[04:20:34] <benrob0329> Well, I'm trying to figure out why Ardour wan't to try and "start" ALSA since the audacity build is useless atm
• 507[04:20:40] <benrob0329> *wants
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• 702[06:34:55] <zerocool> sed -i -e 's/^default.*/default install/g' -e 's/^timeout.*/timeout 1/' /isolinux/isolinux.cfg
• 703[06:35:11] <zerocool> that's the answer to my question
• 704[06:36:12] <zerocool> that's suprisingly hard to google
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• 706[06:37:09] <zerocool> actually i solved it mostly by memory, google just helped jog my memory
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• 731[06:58:20] <PaddyF> zerocool: +1
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• 795[07:42:01] <jacksonraj> I am trying to build linux from scratch. My debain machine configuration is.. root@midhun:/home/midhun/acl-2.2.53# uname -a Linux midhun 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.130-2 (2018-10-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux I installed gcc version gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 using apt get .But the linux from scratch ask to use gcc4.9 How to uninstall gcc 6.3 and install gcc 4.9
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• 802[07:49:59] <PaddyF> jacksonraj: just out of curiosity - how did you find out that gcc4.9 is required?
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• 804[07:51:17] <jacksonraj> @paddy replaced-url
• 805[07:51:35] <jacksonraj> will there be any proble if i use gcc 6.3
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• 807[07:51:43] <jacksonraj> problem*
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• 810[07:53:08] <PaddyF> there could be problems, yes
• 811[07:54:05] <jacksonraj> can you please help me paddf on how to uninstall gcc 6.3
• 812[07:54:42] <PaddyF> i am trying to research a solution, one moment please
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• 814[07:54:57] <jacksonraj> thanks paddf
• 815[07:55:04] <PaddyF> would you mind using oldstable debian 8 instead of debian 9?
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• 817[07:55:20] <jacksonraj> ok i shall download that
• 818[07:55:41] <PaddyF> on jessie (debian 8) you can install gcc-4.9 directly
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• 820[07:56:08] <jacksonraj> once again thanks paddf
• 821[07:56:12] <PaddyF> welcome :)
• 822[07:57:00] <aleksandrM> I would like to be a Debian maintaner, where do I start?
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• 825[07:57:54] <jacksonraj> one more thing which one i shoud go for debian 8.0 or debian 8.10
• 826[07:58:20] <PaddyF> aleksandrM: have a look at the "developer's corner" on the debian.org website
• 827[07:58:52] <PaddyF> jacksonraj: 8.10 contains updates. so i would use that one
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• 831[08:03:38] <jacksonraj> ok paddf
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• 937[09:23:50] <discovered> nodejs package is too old , even in testing
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• 940[09:25:38] <at0m> ,v nodejs
• 941[09:25:39] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 10.4.0~dfsg-1
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• 946[09:26:53] <discovered> ah, it is 10.4 in experiment
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• 1178[11:41:48] <FightingFalcon> hello my mariadb server occasionally goes offline with this error code: replaced-url
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• 1182[11:43:33] <psiconauta> I'm not an expert, but that seems shortage of system resources
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• 1184[11:43:39] <psiconauta> probably memory
• 1185[11:44:25] <psiconauta> perhaps you should allocate more memory to mariadb
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• 1223[12:07:31] <_2E0LNX> OOM = out of memory
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• 1225[12:09:02] <_2E0LNX> FightingFalcon: give it more memory, possibly setup some swap on that VM
• 1226[12:09:04] <FightingFalcon> I dont understand i have 8 gb ram, only 1,3 gb is used generally... but sometimes mysql goes offline due to low memory. whats wrong with this?
• 1227[12:09:39] <JustASlacker> well, does that mysql have to do memory intensive workloads?
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• 1231[12:10:08] <JustASlacker> or some other part of the system
• 1232[12:10:22] <koollman> FightingFalcon: what message is logged by mysql when it goes offline ? (and are there any messages in dmesg?)
• 1233[12:10:24] <JustASlacker> also hetzner server :D
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• 1235[12:11:16] <FightingFalcon> i dont have mysql log
• 1236[12:11:16] <JustASlacker> Id suggest you start monitoring that server and record load, memory and stuff
• 1237[12:11:34] <FightingFalcon> JustASlacker, no, its a webserver and varnish is installed
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• 1241[12:12:19] <FightingFalcon> JustASlacker whats wrong with hetzner?
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• 1243[12:13:28] <JustASlacker> well, we make a fair amount of money from people who switch from hetzner to us because of one problem or other
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• 1245[12:13:58] <FightingFalcon> you mean?
• 1246[12:14:37] <JustASlacker> quality does not appear to be very high at hetzner
• 1247[12:14:56] <JustASlacker> there are free monitoring solutions you might want to check out replaced-url
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• 1299[12:50:35] <Towser> is this the right place for help with Raspian?
• 1300[12:50:44] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 1301[12:50:44] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 1303[12:50:56] <petn-randall> Towser: See the channel above. ^^^
• 1304[12:51:14] <Towser> tank you
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• 1334[13:16:57] <deicide-> i'm trying to load an micro sd card into my pc but its never detected with sd card reader only way for me to load it is if i put it in my old phone and connect the phone to my pc via usb and its not detected in my new phone. what can i do to be able to format it?
• 1335[13:18:02] <jken> deicide-, with the card inserted into your pc, do you see it show up in `fdisk -l`?
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• 1349[13:31:25] <deicide-> let me see
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• 1353[13:33:19] <deicide-> yes it shows there
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• 1355[13:34:06] <jken> deicide-, that is good, sounds like it just need to be mounted
• 1356[13:34:22] <jken> mount /dev/<device_name /path/to/mount/to
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• 1359[13:36:18] <deicide-> how do i fill the device name
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• 1361[13:36:25] <deicide-> 0x6ee9eba8?
• 1362[13:36:53] <jken> /dev/sdi is the device in your case
• 1363[13:36:59] <jken> based on the fdisk output you dm'd me
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• 1365[13:37:14] <jken> so, mount /dev/sdi /some/path
• 1366[13:37:29] <deicide-> sudo mount /dev/sdi /run/media/alpha/
• 1367[13:37:29] <deicide-> mount: /run/media/alpha: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdi, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
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• 1369[13:37:51] <jken> Assuming the sdcard already has a filesystem, do you know what type?
• 1370[13:38:01] <deicide-> i have no idea
• 1371[13:38:10] <deicide-> in the pm it says dos
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• 1373[13:38:30] <jken> That's the partition table type, it can be DOS or GPT
• 1374[13:38:40] <deicide-> i have no idea
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• 1376[13:38:50] <jken> There is a tool called gparted that will show you the partitions on a disk and their paritions/filesystems
• 1377[13:39:13] <jken> apt-get install -y gparted
• 1378[13:39:16] <jken> if you don't already have it
• 1379[13:39:21] <deicide-> already have it one sec
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• 1382[13:39:59] <deicide-> it only shows my ssd where the os is installed on
• 1383[13:40:07] <deicide-> nothing else not even my data drives
• 1384[13:40:21] <jken> There should be a selection box in the top right corner to change the disk you are looking at
• 1385[13:40:22] <JustASlacker> echo "print" | parted
• 1386[13:40:28] <deicide-> oh wait nvm
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• 1389[13:40:50] <deicide-> file system unknown
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• 1391[13:41:21] <deicide-> should i delete it and make new one?
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• 1393[13:41:28] <sieve> Hi, replaced-url
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• 1395[13:41:38] <sieve> Is this UID/GID some kind of standard?
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• 1399[13:42:22] <rudi_s> sieve: It's fixed on Debian, but not a standard.
• 1400[13:42:42] <pagios> Hello community, is it possible to encrypt my /home on ubuntu 18.04, i dont need full disk encryption only /home, which has all my files, what software can i use for this? and i need to decrypt upon boot as /home will be read upon successfull login
• 1401[13:42:56] <sieve> rudi_s: Can you point me to where that is documented?
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• 1405[13:43:51] <rudi_s> sieve: replaced-url
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• 1408[13:44:22] <jken> deicide-, I have no idea what fs your phone had on it, but if you want to use it on your PC you'll need to format it and setup a new fs
• 1409[13:44:54] <deicide-> it was nokia 808
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• 1411[13:45:10] <deicide-> new phone is linux sailfish os, should i format to ex4?
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• 1413[13:46:17] <deicide-> ext4*
• 1414[13:46:47] <jken> nokia 808 may have used exFAT,
• 1415[13:47:02] <jken> ext4 is probably a safe bet
• 1416[13:47:22] <jken> "Sailfish OS supports microSD cards (SDHC cards) up to 32 GB of storage capacity in FAT32 and ext4 formats."
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• 1418[13:47:33] <sieve> thanks rudi_s, very helpful!
• 1419[13:47:52] <deicide-> awesome thanks for the help jken
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• 1423[13:50:49] <rudi_s> np
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• 1431[13:55:04] <deicide-> it works now thank you jken
• 1432[13:55:12] <jken> no problem deicide-
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• 1474[14:20:05] <acidtripper> Hey there
• 1475[14:20:17] <acidtripper> i have two moniotors one on lappie and other goes aut via hdmi
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• 1479[14:20:24] <acidtripper> idea to configure one for ttys and other for x?
• 1480[14:20:28] <acidtripper> same time
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• 1511[14:38:43] <jelly> acidtripper: you can't really have console and X at the same time. You can start X, let it control both screens, and put a fullscreen xterm on one screen
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• 1531[14:50:24] <VinAlencc> Hello, guys! How are you? I'd like to ask you something. I have servers working as master and slave, and I have services. I'd like to make both servers to reply for the same service, like service1.domain and service2.domain working togheter as service.domain. I know I need to use BIND DNS, but how do I do it?
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• 1538[14:53:26] <blackflow> VinAlencc: you mean you want DNS based load balance between the two?
• 1539[14:53:48] <jken> VinAlencc, sounds like what you are looking for is a "dns roundrobin"
• 1540[14:54:10] <jken> where the DNS server returns multiple IPs for service.domain, and the client chooses one to connect to
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• 1543[14:54:16] <Ede|Popede> jelly: what about 2 cards? or a card and the builtin chip
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• 1545[14:54:32] <VinAlencc> blackflow jken, are "Load balance" and "DNS Roundrobin" the same thing?
• 1546[14:54:56] <jken> roundrobin is a poor mans load balancer :)
• 1547[14:54:57] <blackflow> VinAlencc: Ideally you wouldn't do it with DNS but with a proper load balancer. DNS load balance is never guaranteed (when done with multiple A/AAAA entries per name)
• 1548[14:54:59] <microsuxx> what is a page describing how to use debian patches with the linux kernel ? like this preempt_rt patch
• 1549[14:55:09] <JustASlacker> DNS Roundrobin is one way to loadbalance
• 1550[14:55:57] <VinAlencc> Got it
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• 1552[14:56:34] <rocketmagnet> hi all
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• 1554[14:56:50] <VinAlencc> Guys, now that you mentioned load balance and roundrobin, I will check them. Thank you for your attention.
• 1555[14:56:56] <VinAlencc> rocketmagnet: Hi
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• 1558[14:58:42] <rocketmagnet> i got a new ssd hd (sdb), i split it into sdb1 and sdb2 (ext4 and fat32), now my problem is that i need root access rights to mount/write to them, the ext4 partition has the following fstab options: users,user,exec. i use the smae options for another partion on sda and i can write to it normaly... what's different with sdb1 here ?
• 1559[14:59:29] <avu> rocketmagnet: does the mountpoint have the right permissions?
• 1560[14:59:45] <jelly> Ede|Popede: on laptops usually one card controls all the outputs. On a workstation it might be doable.
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• 1566[15:02:18] <Ede|Popede> jelly: do you know on which level this happens? is it os or is there even hardware prevention? never used both at the same time iirc, but if possible, it also should be possible to set them do different modes and feed them with different content?
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• 1572[15:06:37] <jelly> Ede|Popede: outputs are typically wired to just one card on modern laptops, and the other card does rendering to first card memory via pcie, I don't know exact details...
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• 1576[15:07:39] <wwilliam> Hello
• 1577[15:07:51] <Ede|Popede> so a laptop only restriction? meh. i know why i prefer grown up PCs.
• 1578[15:07:58] <Ede|Popede> hi wwilliam
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• 1581[15:08:26] <wwilliam> what is the minumum ram requirements for stretch? i have 2048 on vbox 2 cpus but when i start firefox it freezes
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• 1584[15:09:06] <Ede|Popede> wwilliam: 2GB here on an 11 years old pc. works :)
• 1585[15:09:17] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Look at the RAM usage with htop. Might be unrelated to RAM.
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• 1588[15:09:39] <tarzeau> works for me with 1 GB
• 1589[15:09:50] <wwilliam> Thank you.
• 1590[15:09:57] <greycat> I think the official memory requirement for jessie was 96 MB. Up from 64 MB for wheezy. I don't recall the exact figure for stretch.
• 1591[15:10:07] <Ede|Popede> wwilliam: and maybe start firefox from a shell and watch the output there
• 1592[15:10:11] <tarzeau> obviously, don't run firefox, and try zram-config (the ubuntu one), the debian one from buster+ zram-tools is broken
• 1593[15:10:23] <greycat> Of course, running a major web browser is a TOTALLY different kettle of fish.
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• 1595[15:10:33] <tarzeau> unless it's Safari
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• 1597[15:10:48] <tarzeau> which works just fine for me with 2 GB only among other things
• 1598[15:11:14] <greycat> I would expect firefox-esr or chromium/google-chrome to work just fine in 2 GB as long as you don't open *too* many tabs.
• 1599[15:11:17] <Ede|Popede> i refused to use swap for some time on wheezy. OOM killer became very active during that period :D
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• 1602[15:11:51] <tarzeau> and don't run it for weeks (or months)
• 1603[15:12:14] * tarzeau really likes to use zram (compressed memory)
• 1604[15:12:17] <Ede|Popede> indeed. even closing it may take minutes then.
• 1605[15:12:23] <wwilliam> Firefox issue I dont know why so many things running in firefox
• 1606[15:12:36] <wwilliam> Hello greycat
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• 1610[15:12:58] <wwilliam> Ede|Popede: will do that
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• 1612[15:13:53] <Ede|Popede> anyone remembering SoftRAM? :)
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• 1615[15:15:32] <rocketmagnet> avu: now the ext4 partition is working, the fat32 don't let me change the permission
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• 1619[15:16:56] <jelly> tarzeau: is zram really great or is memory management of userspace apps really, really crappy?
• 1620[15:17:02] <jelly> you be the judge
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• 1622[15:17:46] <jelly> in the meantime I live with 12GB RAM and 16GB zram swap and that makes things a lot smoother than just RAM :-(
• 1623[15:17:51] <avu> rocketmagnet: change the permissions of the mountpoint before mounting. then you might need uid=... in fstab too
• 1624[15:18:27] <blackflow> jelly: that's a very weird configuration. moar swap than RAM?
• 1625[15:18:44] <rocketmagnet> i've done so, i forgott uid=, but isn't there a flag to allow all users to access it not only the one from uid= ??
• 1626[15:18:47] <rocketmagnet> avu: ^
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• 1632[15:20:57] <avu> rocketmagnet: the way I read the manpage, the UID/GID should default to the user/process doing the mounting so you might be able to leave it out
• 1633[15:20:59] <Ede|Popede> rocketmagnet: iirc, you may set dmask so that all user can write to it, while files on fat32 belong to (usually) root
• 1634[15:22:01] <greycat> If you're mounting a FAT32 file system, it has no internal permissions. Linux has to present *something* as the owner of the files, so you get to specify, at mount time, which user is presented as the owner of all of the files in the FAT32 file system. If you don't select anyone, it uses root.
• 1635[15:22:13] <rocketmagnet> what
• 1636[15:22:20] <rocketmagnet> what's if i choose ntfs ?
• 1637[15:22:45] <rocketmagnet> might that make things better ?
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• 1639[15:22:50] <greycat> I won't even attempt to guess how NTFS works these days.
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• 1641[15:23:14] <rocketmagnet> i need the hd for crossplatform c programming for my projects and git repository and checkout
• 1642[15:23:24] <petn-randall> rocketmagnet: What are you using the FAT/NTFS partition for?
• 1643[15:23:34] <petn-randall> ah
• 1644[15:24:26] <petn-randall> Personally I'd just have a VM with Windows, and pass the folder to the VM. All on ext4.
• 1645[15:24:46] <cryptodan> does the drive / partition have to be mounted at all times and from boot rocketmagnet ?
• 1646[15:24:49] <avu> or have to checkouts of the git repo, both on 'native' filesystems for each platform
• 1647[15:25:17] <rocketmagnet> not a good idea... when programming 3d games a VM just causes troubles and can introduce errors of the VM
• 1648[15:26:00] <rocketmagnet> it's better to not rely not wine, it's better to use the real system not an emulation
• 1649[15:26:18] <acidtripper> rocketmagnet, vm always causes trobule :P
• 1650[15:27:12] <rocketmagnet> such errors are very hard to find and it's hard enouth to create a bug free game-engine crossplatform, i don't need another source of error
• 1651[15:27:14] <petn-randall> rocketmagnet: Then I'd just have two checkouts on each side. FAT is the worst filesystem to keep data on you need.
• 1652[15:27:36] <rocketmagnet> same with android dev, it's better to test on an actual mobile instead of the emulator ..
• 1653[15:28:37] <cryptodan> rocketmagnet: do you need the drive / partition mounted at boot?
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• 1658[15:32:39] <rocketmagnet> cryptodan: i would like to yes
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• 1660[15:33:04] <rocketmagnet> so better use ntfs instead of fat32
• 1661[15:33:55] <cryptodan> id recommend that you use gvfs or fuse and mount the partition as your user and not on boot rocketmagnet
• 1662[15:33:57] <rocketmagnet> so the GIT repository goes to the ntfs partition so i can checkout from both systems
• 1663[15:34:10] <JustASlacker> wont you lose permissions that way?
• 1664[15:34:45] <tarzeau> jelly: both!
• 1665[15:34:57] <tarzeau> jelly: heavily depends on the software, and who wrote the software
• 1666[15:35:03] <rocketmagnet> how to best hande this situation ? the git repo must be accessible from windows and linux, so it has to be on the ntfs partition
• 1667[15:35:07] <tarzeau> jelly: there's software that's really really great with memory management
• 1668[15:36:20] <cryptodan> rocketmagnet: mount as needed via fuse or gvfs that way you wont have permission issues
• 1669[15:36:54] <rocketmagnet> fuse ?
• 1670[15:37:18] <iovec> what would be the right place to disable the "enable and start service on installation" behaviour
• 1671[15:37:47] <cryptodan> rocketmagnet: replaced-url
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• 1686[15:46:35] <JustASlacker> iovec: do you mean "systemctl disable $service"
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• 1691[15:49:01] <greycat> Hmm, replaced-url
• 1692[15:49:18] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1721[16:06:17] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon!
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• 1727[16:08:20] <cybercrypto> good afternoon
• 1728[16:08:43] <no_gravity> What is the best compression format to archive a text file these days?
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• 1730[16:09:10] <iovec> JustASlacker: I want to prevent packages from doing anything with systemd
• 1731[16:09:30] <iovec> like enabling/starting services on installation
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• 1735[16:12:31] <greycat> Then you picked the wrong distro.
• 1736[16:13:31] <no_gravity> I tend to go with bzip2 as it seems to create the smallest files.
• 1737[16:13:33] <iovec> is that something unreasonable to ask for
• 1738[16:13:52] <iovec> ik it's the debian way, I was hoping there was way to turn it off
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• 1740[16:14:06] <iovec> (just like one can turn off interactivity)
• 1741[16:14:22] <acidtripper> iovec, haha that's the trick of systemd...
• 1742[16:14:29] <acidtripper> start everything as windows....
• 1743[16:15:00] <iovec> acidtripper: too bad that makes no sense
• 1744[16:15:32] <acidtripper> for example, you start teamviewer without running the deamon and it's start it.
• 1745[16:15:41] <greycat> Debian's policy has been that every package that provides a daemon should start that daemon upon installation, long before systemd existed.
• 1746[16:15:57] <acidtripper> didn't know greycat
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• 1748[16:17:09] <iovec> acidtripper: that is bus activation, the alternative is for dbus to fork off that service, which is much worse than your supervisor doing it.
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• 1750[16:18:02] <iovec> you can even prevent it from happening with systemctl mask
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• 1753[16:18:44] <acidtripper> i don't know a shit about systemd...
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• 1757[16:20:58] <Ede|Popede> as long as they listen to localhost only it should not be a problem. but do they?
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• 1781[16:32:32] <thms> How come php-intl only contains "changelog.gz" and "copyright" ? Where is the .so library?
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• 1783[16:32:59] <thms> I've installed it and phpinfo doesn't show intl extension. So i've run dpkg-query -L and apt-file but don't understand where is the .so oO
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• 1785[16:33:31] <bites> thms: "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default PHP version"
• 1786[16:33:40] <greycat> php-intl depends on php7.0-intl which probably has the actual files
• 1787[16:33:41] <bites> ,i php7.0-intl
• 1788[16:33:42] <judd> Package php7.0-intl (php, optional) in stretch/amd64: Internationalisation module for PHP. Version: 7.0.30-0+deb9u1; Size: 121.1k; Installed: 511k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1792[16:35:17] <thms> uh oh... thanks bites
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• 1796[16:36:55] <thms> Should have noticed this since php-gd php-curl is the same :)
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• 1840[16:58:36] <zathraz> Hi. Is it possible to monitor a remote ups from the main NUT config so external clients only have to access a single server to view the status of all UPSes?
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• 1929[17:49:10] <no_gravity> Is there a way to know if the file system write cache is currently empty or if something is still written to disk?
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• 1932[17:50:03] <ctcx> For remote control software with GUI for Linux, I found *so many* options. Could anyone advise for one in particular, or are all equally good and is up to each one?
• 1933[17:50:14] <ctcx> Or just plain SSH with X forwarding?
• 1934[17:50:31] <n4dir> no_gravity: not that sure, perhaps "sync" will tell you for sure that everything "finished".
• 1935[17:50:54] <jelly> no_gravity: no idea but google for something regarding "dirty buffers", eg: linux show dirty buffers
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• 1937[17:51:14] <no_gravity> jelly: Yeah, this could be it: watch grep -e Dirty: -e Writeback: /proc/meminfo
• 1938[17:51:22] <no_gravity> n4dir: Yup
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• 1946[17:57:57] <ctcx> ?
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• 1953[18:01:11] <DammitJim> I'm so confused as to what removeIPC does in the logind.conf file
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• 1955[18:02:04] <ctcx> For remote control software with GUI for Linux, I found *so many* options. Could anyone advise for one in particular, or are all equally good and is up to each one? Or just plain SSH with X forwarding?
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• 1957[18:04:21] <n4dir> i don't even know what remote control software might be. Hence i'd say: ssh (without -X)
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• 1959[18:05:21] <ctcx> A thing such as TeamViewer
• 1960[18:05:24] <n4dir> for one app i'd go for ssh -X, for a full DE i'd go for vnc. (but i generally do such seldom)
• 1961[18:05:31] <ctcx> But don't feel like using that anymore
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• 1964[18:06:00] <n4dir> back in the days i fooled with NoMachine (?), but i can't remember well, hence no clue if it is any better than VNC.
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• 1967[18:07:33] <ctcx> thanks
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• 1970[18:08:14] <n4dir> yup, rather vague, but as no one else said anything. Perhaps ask in a few hours again, perhaps ask in #linux.. good luck.
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• 2011[18:26:30] <alfon> Hi. I've a problem mounting NFS exported directories from Debian machines. The scenerio is explained here: replaced-url
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• 2016[18:28:43] <PaddyF> alfon: and your client has the package nfs-common installed?
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• 2019[18:30:34] <alfon> PaddyF: Yes: is installed. If you see, the problem began with a server upgrade.
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• 2027[18:33:48] <cusco> hello dear sirs
• 2028[18:34:02] <PaddyF> alfon: what says your /etc/debian_version?
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• 2030[18:35:03] <cusco> got a zipped file from somewhere else.. extracting, filenames with special chars ar garbled..
• 2031[18:35:24] <cusco> I was trying iconv with some charsets but not getting it right.. is there a tool to guess the charset?
• 2032[18:35:53] <PaddyF> cusco: file
• 2033[18:36:15] <cusco> PaddyF: I don't mean the contents
• 2034[18:36:21] <cusco> I mean the filename itself
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• 2036[18:37:01] <alfon> PaddyF: It depends. There are two OS versions: 8.11 is one
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• 2040[18:38:45] <benrob0329> pasuspender is broken, Audacity doesn't see Pulse devices, Ardour doesn't even make it past connecting to the sound server, who builds these packages?
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• 2042[18:39:13] <benrob0329> I feel like they aren't tested before being put into the repos
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• 2104[19:04:27] <Bjornn> hello
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• 2110[19:05:13] <Bjornn> I haven't been in here for a while. I have a question for anyone that may be able to help. follows on the next line
• 2111[19:06:12] <Bjornn> I am just starting up a jessie install I used a year ago. trying to update vivaldi browser. tho it shows it's available on the server it continues to error out
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• 2116[19:07:05] <Bjornn> the error reads like this: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 2119[19:07:19] <DammitJim> how long does an ssh server wait to close a connection for a client who dropped out w/o a graceful disconnect
• 2120[19:07:51] <benrob0329> OH BOY trying to debug audacity is fun
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• 2122[19:08:28] <Bjornn> interesting at least
• 2123[19:08:30] <benrob0329> alsamixer reports the default device is PulseAudio, Audacity on the other hand won't even show it
• 2124[19:08:35] <greycat> DammitJim: depends on keepalive options and so on. Maybe ask #openssh.
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• 2126[19:08:43] <DammitJim> thanks greycat
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• 2136[19:14:24] <Bjornn> can anyone speak to the availability of vivaldi through the debian servers? it shows up in searches but gives a 404 when trying to install in terminal
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• 2145[19:17:19] <Ede|Popede> Bjornn replaced-url
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• 2147[19:17:30] <Ede|Popede> seems they didn't update the version number
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• 2151[19:18:33] <Ede|Popede> ,v vivaldi
• 2152[19:18:34] <judd> No package named 'vivaldi' was found in amd64.
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• 2156[19:20:55] <somiaj> Bjornn: what do you mean it shows up in searches? What serach are you doing?
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• 2159[19:23:34] <DammitJim> how do I change a regular user to become a system user?
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• 2162[19:24:01] <tarzeau> DammitJim: what's the difference?
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• 2164[19:24:17] <DammitJim> I think I system user has an id lower than 1000?
• 2165[19:24:44] <DammitJim> apparently non system users are affected by removeIPC=yes in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
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• 2169[19:25:19] <jelly> DammitJim: groupmod, usermod, find and fix remaining files belonging to old uid or old gid
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• 2171[19:25:53] <DammitJim> oh ok, so I would have to ensure all files/directories are switched to the new ID, right?
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• 2173[19:26:25] <jelly> yes
• 2174[19:26:58] <jelly> DammitJim: where does it say logind treats uid < 1000 in a different way?
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• 2176[19:27:14] <jelly> why don't you just change the setting?
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• 2178[19:27:45] <jelly> oh, > Note that IPC objects of the root user and other system users are excluded from the effect of this setting.
• 2179[19:28:06] <DammitJim> yes, jelly I was trying to find that
• 2180[19:28:27] <jelly> I doubt just changing the uid, and then logging in and out as a normal interactive user will change things
• 2181[19:28:28] <DammitJim> jelly, the problem I'm actually having at this point is understanding what the default value is
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• 2183[19:28:31] <quiliro> hello... I have a problem with firefox. I thought it was a DNS problem. But I can ping OK
• 2184[19:28:37] <DammitJim> because removeIPC=yes is actually commented out
• 2185[19:28:50] <jelly> DammitJim: all those commented out things are default values
• 2186[19:28:59] <quiliro> rather, ping can resolve site IPs
• 2187[19:29:00] <DammitJim> gotcha, thanks for clarifying
• 2188[19:29:02] <DammitJim> that's huge
• 2189[19:29:09] <quiliro> but it cannot ping some sites
• 2190[19:29:57] <jelly> DammitJim: this is a common idiom for config files, showing default settings as comments
• 2191[19:30:00] <DammitJim> separate question 'cause I'd like to NOT allow ssh for the particular user
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• 2193[19:30:33] <DammitJim> interestingly enough, when users use this user to ssh, they only get a $
• 2194[19:30:48] <jelly> what's wrong with a $
• 2195[19:30:50] <DammitJim> I do need users to su - <dbadmin>
• 2196[19:31:03] <greycat> mo $ mo problems
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• 2198[19:31:17] <DammitJim> no problem with $
• 2199[19:31:25] <jelly> got 99 problems but $ ain't one
• 2200[19:31:27] <DammitJim> just an indication that something is not set up properly (my mistake proabaly)
• 2201[19:31:29] <quiliro> for example, I cannot ping duckduckgo,com...but I can gnu.org...both site names can be resolved with resolveip
• 2202[19:31:40] <jelly> no no.
• 2203[19:31:47] <jelly> got 99 problems but $? Ain't one
• 2204[19:31:53] <DammitJim> do I configure ssh to not allow that user?
• 2205[19:32:32] <jelly> man sshd_config, search for DenyUsers
• 2206[19:32:48] <fassl> quiliro, icmp requests may be blocked
• 2207[19:33:03] <DammitJim> ty
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• 2209[19:33:37] <Ede|Popede> quiliro: ping intel.com
• 2210[19:34:14] <jelly> DammitJim: using /bin/sh as a login shell will result in a nice "$ " prompt
• 2211[19:34:26] <DammitJim> oh
• 2212[19:34:35] <Ede|Popede> quiliro: the server may be set up to ignore pings
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• 2215[19:35:09] <DammitJim> I don't have 1 definee
• 2216[19:35:11] <DammitJim> defined
• 2217[19:35:30] <quiliro> Ede|Popede: intel is resolved but not pinged
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• 2220[19:36:14] <Ede|Popede> quiliro: was just an example behaving like ddg. took it from replaced-url
• 2221[19:37:26] <quiliro> Ede|Popede: firefox is working now. do yo have any idea it could? it is something recurrent
• 2222[19:37:44] <quiliro> or how can I know why this happens
• 2223[19:38:04] <jhutchins_wk> quiliro: duckduckgo.com doesn't respond to pings.
• 2224[19:38:13] <Ede|Popede> right before it took some time to open vivaldi's repo. curl gave an instant result.
• 2225[19:38:44] <Ede|Popede> maybe just a hickup of some server
• 2226[19:39:41] <jhutchins_wk> quiliro: intel.com doesn't ping either.
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• 2235[19:42:39] <Bjornn> somiaj, apt-cache search vivaldi
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• 2237[19:43:39] <somiaj> Bjornn: can you do an apt policy <name of vivaldi package> you are getting from that search. The only one I get is ruby-useragent, so it sounds like you have third party sources.
• 2238[19:43:48] <somiaj> put the output of that command at paste.debian.net
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• 2240[19:45:05] <Bjornn> yes, I guess it is looking at vivaldi sources, so its not a debian problem per say.
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• 2243[19:45:49] <somiaj> could just be you need to run apt update, so your cache fetches the current package you have, and the 404 you are getting is because your cache is out of date.
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• 2247[19:48:21] <quiliro> jhutchins_wk, Ede|Popede: firefox gave the same problem. gnu.org pinged but firefox would not open it
• 2248[19:48:51] <LtL> Bjornn: you're using a third party repo, apt update should reveal this, replaced-url
• 2249[19:49:03] <quiliro> now all sites work, pidgin always worked, why could it be?
• 2250[19:50:13] <Bjornn> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 2255[19:52:35] <Bjornn> I installed vivaldi because I wanted to get away from Chrome with all it's tracking and what not. There's probably other browsers that are better, idk
• 2256[19:52:39] <fassl> quiliro, next time this happens open the inspection panel and disable cache on the network tab, it might just be a caching issue
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• 2271[19:59:48] <somiaj> Bjornn: that is just a warning, but to get the update from that repo, you'll need to go to their page and get the correct key.
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• 2273[20:00:20] <Bjornn> ok. thanks somiaj
• 2274[20:00:31] <Bjornn> I'm browsing their page atm
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• 2285[20:08:29] <quiliro> fassl: thank you for the tip...nevertheless, when i am not connected it reverts with no problem with the cached version. when i have this problem, it would not revert to the cached version. It happens when I am connected+
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• 2303[20:14:41] <fassl> when you are online and a dns request gives you multiple ip addresses and the app tries to connect to the same down or some kind of broken server every time, i guess you would get what you are experiencing
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• 2306[20:15:04] <fassl> while another app could just use another entry and resolve to a sane server
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• 2308[20:16:48] <jhutchins_wk> quiliro: iirc ping uses a different resolver than clients like firefox.
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• 2310[20:17:41] <jhutchins_wk> quiliro: Not sure if your environment might have a firewall.
• 2311[20:18:18] <quiliro> but it is weird, an on and off firewall?
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• 2313[20:20:19] <fassl> duckduckgo.com has multiple A-records, if firefox uses the first which points to a broken server, you can't connect, if ping uses entry 2 which points to a sane server, you can
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• 2350[20:33:32] <quiliro> fassl: the same problem for all hosts?
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• 2355[20:34:37] <fassl> oh, well then it might be something different
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• 2358[20:35:30] <fassl> any plugins that could cause this?
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• 2360[20:36:23] <fassl> or like jhutchins_wk mentioned might be a firewall issue, ping and http/s are different ports
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• 2364[20:39:15] <fassl> or even a proxy issue if you use one
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• 2366[20:40:41] <quiliro> fassl: no plugins
• 2367[20:41:01] <quiliro> fassl: weird firewall working sometimes and sometimes not
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• 2373[20:42:56] <wwilliam> How do I change Gnome with KDE or have them both? Thank you. Stretch
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• 2382[20:45:30] <quiliro> wwilliam: sudo apt install gnome kde
• 2383[20:45:45] <wwilliam> I have gnome already
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• 2385[20:46:02] <greycat> then you'll get a warning saying gnome is already installed
• 2386[20:46:16] <greycat> which you may ignore
• 2387[20:46:21] <quiliro> how can i start automatically with a certain user on cinnamon?
• 2388[20:46:37] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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• 2390[20:47:22] <diogenes_> quiliro, login as that usera nd go to settings and something like user avccounts
• 2391[20:47:39] <diogenes_> can't remember the exact setting name
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• 2394[20:48:42] <quiliro> diogenes_: users and groups that not give an option to start automatically with a user
• 2395[20:49:28] <diogenes_> quiliro, afaik tehre is an option to show settings as root
• 2396[20:49:39] <diogenes_> and in that root secton it will be available
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• 2400[20:50:56] <quiliro> no root user showed...only one user: my user...and it is set as administrator
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• 2405[20:52:14] <diogenes_> quiliro, cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
• 2406[20:52:21] <diogenes_> what is the output?
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• 2409[20:53:57] <ctcx> Does SSH X11 forwarding have security problems? If so, any advise as for how to deal with them?
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• 2422[20:57:51] <johnnymacs> I've got a netinst and I am trying to get iw working so I can install my graphics
• 2423[20:58:14] <johnnymacs> I can detect the ssids of the devices in my house
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• 2426[20:58:27] <johnnymacs> my device is wlp1s0 but it seems down
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• 2436[21:01:03] <somiaj> johnnymacs: many wifi cards require non-free firmware, which is not on the offical 'free' netinstall images.
• 2437[21:01:08] <somiaj> !firmware images
• 2438[21:01:09] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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• 2444[21:01:29] <somiaj> Try the unoffical netinstall image, and you should be able to add the wifi network from inside the installer and not need to run iw directly
• 2445[21:01:30] <johnnymacs> I have an acer c720
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• 2447[21:01:49] <somiaj> actual wifi chipset is what matters, and there is a very limited number that don't require additional non-free firmware.
• 2448[21:01:51] <johnnymacs> I could connect no problem during the installation
• 2449[21:02:00] <somiaj> I don't know what acer c720 specs are.
• 2450[21:02:27] <somiaj> hmm, well run 'dmesg | grep firmware' to see if you have any firmware errors. I thought you were doing this in the install.
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• 2452[21:02:34] <somiaj> you may have to manually bring the device up with ip first.
• 2453[21:02:41] <johnnymacs> post install
• 2454[21:03:03] <quiliro> diogenes_: /usr/sbin/lightdm
• 2455[21:03:16] <johnnymacs> dmesg | grep firmware => /n
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• 2458[21:03:40] <johnnymacs> I just dont know the iw command to do it
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• 2461[21:03:54] <johnnymacs> I know my essid and my network device wlp1s0
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• 2465[21:04:18] <diogenes_> quiliro, edit: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
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• 2468[21:04:30] <diogenes_> [SeatDefaults]
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• 2470[21:04:51] <somiaj> I think you need a combination of ip and iw. iw does the wirless stuff, but won't actually bring the device up, you need ip for that (though I don't use these driectly, I use the debian /etc/network/interfaces file to do this, (though I have switched to useing wpa_supplicant to handel my wifi connections these days)
• 2471[21:04:59] <diogenes_> quiliro, uncomment autologin-user=
• 2472[21:05:09] <diogenes_> and add: autologin-user=yourusername
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• 2474[21:05:24] <johnnymacs> ip link set wlp1s0 up
• 2475[21:05:33] <johnnymacs> but then normally I'd do iwconfig
• 2476[21:05:37] <johnnymacs> which is missing
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• 2489[21:13:02] <quiliro> diogenes_: thanks
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• 2491[21:13:20] <diogenes_> quiliro, did it work?
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• 2498[21:15:48] <quiliro> diogenes_: will reboot now
• 2499[21:15:57] <diogenes_> ok
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• 2512[21:20:14] <quiliro> diogenes_: worked!
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• 2514[21:20:36] <diogenes_> good
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• 2657[22:41:46] <annadane> this is a bit silly; i made a directory with mkdir, but i don't know what directory i did it in, is there a way to check? i thought i did it in my home, but it doesn't appear in ls, despite appearing in history, and i don't see where else it could have been created
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• 2659[22:42:20] <annadane> there's no cd in my history so it has to be home
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• 2661[22:43:22] <annadane> i had started to git clone in the directory and then aborted out of it, i don't know if that somehow deleted it or something
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• 2663[22:43:27] <n4dir> if you still know the name of the directory "locate name_dir" (assuming it is rather unique) or "find ~ -name 'name_dir'
• 2664[22:43:48] <n4dir> grep mkdir ~/.bash_history ; etc.
• 2665[22:43:49] <HelloShitty> slack_:
• 2666[22:43:52] <greycat> also check in places like /tmp and /var/tmp
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• 2668[22:44:06] <greycat> or make sure you're on the right machine
• 2669[22:44:19] <annadane> yeah it's not an ssh
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• 2671[22:44:35] <annadane> *shrug* not a big deal just confused
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• 2678[22:47:57] <noln> was it in a chroot or firejail --private
• 2679[22:48:27] <noln> or another filesystem (mount)
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• 2682[22:49:30] <annadane> no
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• 2721[23:01:17] <gp5st> hello. I have a debian 9 docker image that i have installed cron on and have cron running (cron -f). I have a file /etc/cron.d/crontab and I can't quite tell why it's not being run. I have a `* * * * * root date > /proc/$(cat /var/run/crond.pid)/fd/1 2>&1` in it and I do not see the outputted date. If I place this in /etc/crontab I do see the data in the logs. Any help would be appreciated.
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• 2724[23:02:06] <greycat> remove the two redirections so cron can EMAIL the output to you. or replace them with a redirection to an actual FILE instead of a made-up thing.
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• 2736[23:11:24] <johnnyfive> Hello, where is the best place to report an issue with a discrepancy between the pockets that a package is published in vs where the sources exist?
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• 2740[23:14:28] <gp5st> greycat, I'm not sure what made up thing you're talking about. As I said, in /etc/crontab it works as intended
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• 2744[23:16:29] <superz> Trying to install Debian Stretch on my system, after I installed Qubes 4. But I have reached an issue in the partition phase of the installation because of the LVM from qubes, named qubes_dom0.
• 2745[23:17:13] <superz> I tried using hte command vgchange -a n qubes_dom0 to remove the LVM in TTY
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• 2748[23:17:48] <superz> folloed by vgremove qubes_dom0
• 2749[23:17:58] <superz> *followed by vgremove qubes_dom0
• 2750[23:19:19] <superz> When I'm prompted to remove the first logical dependent pool00(out of 24 others that are needed to be removed) after that command
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• 2753[23:20:03] <superz> I recieve "can't process LV qubes_dom0/pool00: thin-pool target support missing from kernel?"
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• 2755[23:20:58] <superz> and on the next line "failed to update pool qubes_dom0/pool00"
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• 2775[23:31:18] <Meteor0ID> Hi, I was following the news on the release of a new version of some package I use a lot. I noticed a week ago that the version I have been waiting for has been released. But I also notice now that it has not yet been marked as latest stable version for Debian. Instead it has been marked ¨testing¨. Testing makes total sense, but I do wonder, out of curiosity, who is doing the testing and how? What need to be done before
• 2776[23:31:19] <Meteor0ID> a package is accepted as stable for Debian?
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• 2780[23:31:49] <Meteor0ID> ^ not a complain of any kind. Just curiosity about the release process.
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• 2784[23:35:06] <n4dir> packages don't go from debian testing to debian stable individually. At a given time testing gets frozen and no new packages enter it. When all release critical bugs are removed, testing becomes the new stable.
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• 2786[23:35:33] <johnnyfive> Meteor0ID, replaced-url
• 2787[23:35:33] <n4dir> in other words: it doesn't matter if an upstream package is stable or not, it will not enter the actual debian stable.
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• 2790[23:35:58] <n4dir> makes any sense? ... well, the link by johnnyfive probably explains it better
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• 2792[23:36:23] <Meteor0ID> it does make sense and I will also read the docs
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• 2794[23:36:37] <Meteor0ID> thanks for pointing to the proper page johnnyfive
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• 2799[23:39:12] <n4dir> not that sure how stable-backports handle it. Sure worth to have check if you might find it there (sooner or later).
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• 2830[23:53:14] <rustbuckett> So I'm trying to dual boot Windows 10 using grub2. I'm getting the error 'invalid signature'. Also, I'm unable to load module efivars.
• 2831[23:53:34] <rustbuckett> I feel like I'm really close to getting the dual boot to work...
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• 2834[23:58:38] <rustbuckett> is there a way to check if I already have EFI loaded or compiled into the kernel? lsmod doesn't show any EFI
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