Realtime Nick Name Ticker of #debian at freenode (ICQ IRC service)

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2[00:00:53] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: here: replaced-url
3[00:02:58] <dracc> I get 403 Access Denied.
4[00:03:08] <dracc> On the teamviewer repo, that is.
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7[00:03:42] <TheHeatPasteGuy> yep, same
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9[00:04:32] <TheHeatPasteGuy> I would just remove the teamviewer repo and install it via the deb file if you still need it.
10[00:05:41] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: you mean i should remove the teamviewer repo list and just install any newer version via a fresh .deb file ?
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12[00:06:02] <TheHeatPasteGuy> yes
13[00:06:14] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: okey why not
14[00:06:18] <TheHeatPasteGuy> remove it and run apt update.
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16[00:06:24] <TheHeatPasteGuy> if that works you're good
17[00:06:35] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: that's why i hate third-part outer software :/
18[00:06:39] <[Ketchup]> hi, i'd like to make the switch to debian from ubuntu, but my wireless doesn't work in debian as the driver is listed under non-free, is it just as simple as downloading the non-free package / installing it and my wireless will work?
19[00:06:45] <hassoon> * third-party *
20[00:06:48] <TheHeatPasteGuy> it seems they don't really take care of their repo anyway
21[00:07:01] <TheHeatPasteGuy> Ketchep: yes
22[00:07:15] <TheHeatPasteGuy> mostly
23[00:07:16] <dracc> [Ketchup], Yeah, something like that. might want to add the non-free repo in your sources.list also. :)
24[00:07:32] <annadane> TheHeatPasteGuy, look into tab completion for nickname notification
25[00:07:40] <[Ketchup]> TheHeatPasteGuy / dracc : thank you very much :)
26[00:08:21] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: he might want to see the compatibility of his wifi card with the nonfree driver in debian-site's section for that
27[00:09:02] <dracc> [Ketchup], No problem. GLHF!
28[00:09:11] <TheHeatPasteGuy> hassoon: as I understood his specific driver is listed on non-free so it probably shouldn't be a problem :D
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30[00:09:31] <TheHeatPasteGuy> annadane: thanks, new irc client
31[00:09:46] <hassoon> TheHeatPasteGuy: well if he meant that , then we're fine :v
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33[00:10:14] <hassoon> i'm still on jessie, dunno why i have no intention to upgrade to stretch
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38[00:12:38] <TheHeatPasteGuy> hassoon: if you do so, don't forget to run an aptitude purge '~o'. Many "tutorials" just tell you to replace jessie with stretch in your apt sources but that will result in old packages running that don't get any updates.
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40[00:13:51] <dracc> TheHeatPasteGuy, Are you telling me that 'aptitude autoclean' doesn't take care of that? TIL!
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42[00:14:46] <hassoon> oh snap i should have used 'stable' instead of 'jessie' back when i installed debian a long while ago
43[00:14:46] <TheHeatPasteGuy> dracc: honestly I'm not sure. But don't think so.
44[00:15:25] <TheHeatPasteGuy> normally I just use apt, maybe aptitude does stuff a bit different on autoclean
45[00:16:07] <hassoon> i always use apt-get in fact
46[00:16:20] <hassoon> i've never used aptitude, only maybe in some occasions
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48[00:16:57] <hassoon> oh hey apt's output is colored, unline apt-get's
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50[00:17:06] <TheHeatPasteGuy> dracc: upgrading runs pretty smooth in my experience. only had problems on one of my servers but that one is loaded with loads of stuff
51[00:17:54] <dracc> Yeah, same here. Never heard of aptitude purge '~o' before. Might try it some day. :)
52[00:18:08] <hassoon> skypeforlinux has its new package in the upgrade, thats cool
53[00:18:55] <TheHeatPasteGuy> sure. you can do an aptitude search '~o' as well
54[00:19:41] <TheHeatPasteGuy> shows you all obsolete packages
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56[00:20:20] <dracc> TheHeatPasteGuy, seems to show more than that. :(
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58[00:21:21] <TheHeatPasteGuy> dracc: well seems like some of your packages are outdated? ;)
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60[00:23:21] <dracc> linux-image-4.15.0 ? Nah, built it about 2 hours ago..
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62[00:24:00] <TheHeatPasteGuy> ah ok if you build it yourself that might be
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64[00:25:03] <TheHeatPasteGuy> it shows packages that aren't associated with any repo
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281[01:17:39] <dexta> rugh iv had a load of scripts overlaying playing tricks on me
282[01:17:52] <dexta> wo0ps wrong windows sorry
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306[01:48:44] <lrvick> I am getting "bad archive mirror" using cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org and debian-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
307[01:48:48] <lrvick> any ideas?
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309[01:49:56] <awal1> switch to another mirror
310[01:50:27] <annadane> replaced-url
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312[01:52:09] <lrvick> cdn-fastly was supposed to be the new default. guess not
313[01:52:11] <lrvick> bee
314[01:52:23] <lrvick> boo*
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319[01:57:42] <mandeep> what's the name of the file that you change in order to change the default grub boot kernel
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322[02:01:11] <awal1> ' /etc/default/grub
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325[02:02:06] <mandeep> yep. so i changed GRUB_DEFAULT from 0 to 2 and the boot kernel didnt change :(
326[02:02:18] <Sveta> you need to also `sudo update-grub' after that maybe
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328[02:02:51] <mandeep> is there a way to check if it worked without rebooting?
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332[02:06:31] <dvs> mandeep, /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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335[02:11:16] <mandeep> dvs: that only shows me the menu right?
336[02:13:46] <mandeep> i guess ill try a reboot. brb
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341[02:15:49] <mandeep> unfortunately sudo update-grub didn't work
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347[02:19:43] <awal1> export LESS=-R
348[02:20:03] <awal1> excuses
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354[02:23:00] <mandeep> any other suggestions? the patched kernels are causing me a headache
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357[02:24:43] <mandeep> grub.cfg lists the correct index number as default
358[02:24:43] <awal1> mandeep, what is your current issue? changing default entry in grub list or kernel?
359[02:25:07] <awal1> the first entry is number 0
360[02:25:12] <mandeep> awal1: by default im booting into 4.9.0-5. i'd like to instead boot to 4.9.-=3
361[02:25:13] <awal1> second 1 and so
362[02:25:36] <mandeep> so i set GRUB_DEFAULT=5 since that kernel is the 6th entry
363[02:25:58] <awal1> as I said first entry is number 0
364[02:26:01] <mandeep> right
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366[02:26:46] <mandeep> it's the 5th entry if counting from 0
367[02:27:01] <mandeep> 6th
368[02:27:26] <aphotica> anyone have any good guides or info on how to get Debian 9.3 Xfce to use a little less RAM?
369[02:28:01] <mandeep> awal1: replaced-url
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371[02:31:43] <awal1> mandeep, which linux you want to be booted by default?
372[02:31:50] <mandeep> 4.9.0-3
373[02:32:27] <awal1> do you have all those kernels listed in grub?
374[02:32:37] <awal1> that is not a deban way
375[02:32:46] <awal1> debian
376[02:33:13] <mandeep> awal1: yeah they're listed in grub. what do you mean not a debian way?
377[02:33:14] <awal1> well, unless you have never run autoremove or aptitude purge ~o
378[02:33:24] <awal1> nvm
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380[02:34:09] <mandeep> im lucky the old kernel hasn't been purged, -4 and -5 have bugs on my system that make it unusable
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383[02:36:01] <mandeep> should i instead change DEFAULT_GRUB to Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64
384[02:39:38] <mandeep> oh so since the kernel is in the advanced menu do i need to do something differently?
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386[02:40:00] <mandeep> GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64"
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388[02:41:33] <mandeep> ill give that a try
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395[02:48:13] <mandeep> alright i got it working. i had to choose the advanced menu first then the index of the kernel i wanted to boot to
396[02:48:32] <mandeep> thanks all
397[02:48:35] <dvs> the advanced menu had the index?
398[02:51:42] <mandeep> dvs: there were 6 entries in the advanced menu
399[02:52:09] <mandeep> dvs: oops i misread your question. yeah the advanced menu had the index
400[02:52:24] <dvs> cool
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438[03:35:52] <aypea[3]> is there a way to update /all/ the alternatives for vim in the one hit? or do I have to go through the 15 odd one by one?
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442[03:40:30] <annadane> ...alternatives?
443[03:40:55] * aypea[3] wants vim and vim-gtk3 installed but default to vim. this is painful if you wound up install vim-gtk3 second.
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445[03:41:13] <annadane> ah.
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496[04:44:51] <jehorn> Hey all
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535[05:36:03] <xijio> is this a good place to ask for help troubleshooting an audio issue?
536[05:36:19] <mutante> !ask
537[05:36:19] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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539[05:37:39] <xijio> I have a problem with optical audio out from an intel NUC running Debian 9. When I plug the cable into my windows PC it works. In pavcontrol-qt I see the device is set to Digital Output (S/PIDF) and I can see the sound meter moving indicating it is making sound. But I get nothing from the speakers
540[05:39:04] <dvs> !alsa checklist
541[05:39:04] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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543[05:40:06] <mutante> xijio: maybe a mixer volume is set to 0 somewhere. i would try eh.. it used to be "aumix". i remember trying to figure out forever why the sound looked like it was playing but i heard nothing until i finally did "aumix -v 100" or so and it blasted at volume 100%
544[05:40:21] <mutante> it could be another mixer program nowadays. that was long ago
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551[05:46:35] <xijio> I'll take alook at mixer settings
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553[05:48:27] <mutante> xijio: and all the things that dpkg said above there ^ . good luck. let us know if you find more
554[05:49:08] <xijio> I don't think I have alsa installed
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562[05:59:08] <xijio> mbjerke@xijio-home:/var/lib/docker$ sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
563[05:59:09] <xijio> Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
564[05:59:55] <xijio> I installed alsautils
565[06:00:05] <xijio> and tried toggling everything in alsamixer
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600[06:44:34] <xijio> any other ideas for getting optical audio out to work? I've tried everything mentioned thus far
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604[06:47:34] <SwedeMike> xijio: do you have pulseaudio? I have only ever been troubleshooting this on Ubuntu, and it uses pulseaudio
605[06:48:50] <SwedeMike> xijio: otherwise, you can try things such as mplayer -ao device= or -ao alsa= to see if it's sending the output to the wrong device
606[06:49:39] <SwedeMike> xijio: for instance the guide in replaced-url
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625[07:10:38] <xijio> SwedeMike: thanks looking into it. I am using pulseaudio
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629[07:16:03] <paulez[m]> xijio: I set up yesterday SPDIF with pulseaudio using instructions from replaced-url
630[07:18:36] <xijio> paulez[m]: thanks I'll have a look :)
631[07:19:36] <xijio> paulez[m]: looks like this guide is for 5.1 I just need 2.0 PCM audio
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635[07:25:33] <darxmurf> morning
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639[07:27:21] <xijio> paulez[m]: setting the bitrate in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf fixed it!
640[07:27:25] <xijio> thanks =D
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713[08:46:22] <dionysus69> back to yesterday's issue
714[08:46:36] <dionysus69> I need a gui for crontab which lets me pause several cronjobs
715[08:46:57] <dionysus69> I could do it by hand but I would have to comment multiple lines by hand which is tedious, any tool recommendations?
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727[08:57:22] <jelly> dionysus69: you could comment out a whole block, given a normal text editor like vim
728[08:58:20] <jelly> or write a macro to comment/uncomment with one key combo
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730[08:58:52] <jelly> searching for a GUI for one specific thing seems silly
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733[08:59:45] <dionysus69> jelly: roger that :)
734[08:59:54] <dionysus69> how would I create macro though
735[09:00:00] <dionysus69> I would need to use something like sed?
736[09:00:07] <jelly> depends on the editor
737[09:00:19] <dionysus69> the block I am after is in between two comments
738[09:00:37] <dionysus69> # Begin Whenever generated tasks for: some app
739[09:00:43] <dionysus69> and same for
740[09:00:52] <dionysus69> # End Whenever generated tasks for some app
741[09:01:19] <dionysus69> bash script macro perhaps?
742[09:01:26] <jelly> I said editor.
743[09:01:40] <dionysus69> ok how would I do that with vim?
744[09:02:01] <dionysus69> though when I do crontab -e it opens with nano
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746[09:02:16] <jelly> ask in #vim
747[09:02:28] <dionysus69> ok thanks xD
748[09:03:04] <jelly> man 1 crontab: > The -e option is used to edit the current crontab using the editor specified by the VISUAL or EDITOR environment variables.
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752[09:04:50] <jelly> but sure, you could use sed as well for such a task
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755[09:05:59] <jelly> or whatever script language you like
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757[09:06:39] <jelly> still it's not worth the trouble unless you have hundreds-thousands of crontab files to manipulate
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788[09:46:55] <rhizome> dionysus69: use the 'crontab filename' method. crontab all-on.txt; crontab some-off.txt unless they change all over the place
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831[10:22:19] <toolz> in newer versions we have no rc.local /etc/rc.local file to run some scripts on boot, is there any alternative?
832[10:22:57] <alocer> toolz: what version of debian ?
833[10:23:01] <toolz> 9
834[10:23:04] <toolz> stretch
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839[10:26:45] <alocer> toolz: sudo systemctl edit --full rc.local <- doese this work.. i don't have access to my debian atm.
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841[10:27:23] <toolz> yeah it opens a file with systemd-rc-local-generator
842[10:27:41] <toolz> the unit, the service, etc.
843[10:28:09] <alocer> systemd still supports rc.local . so if you want to use the old rc.local. that command is your gateway ...
844[10:28:20] <alocer> replaced-url
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846[10:29:40] <alocer> toolz: make sure to read the article above ^^
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849[10:32:54] <toolz> yeah, thanks
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861[10:45:57] <yurij> Hello! Please give me advice. I've been trying mount root (/) as overlayfs. OS is booting over NFS to RAM. I've added premount script in initrd, which creates 'work', 'upper' and 'lower' dirs. During the boot I'm copying content of NFS to 'lower' dir. Overlayfs is being mounted to ${rootmnt} after that. Finally, init script chroot to ${rootmnt} (next, init from real root etc...) and OS works fine. Naturally I can't see 'work' and 'upper'
862[10:45:57] <yurij> dirs. How can I do this? What I must to change in initrd? Thanks!
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872[11:01:19] <ForceRecon> I have trouble on a home network getting updates for LMDE. If I disable ipv6 then everything runs smooth.. what is the downside to disabling ipv6 on a file server local that is not used for anything but a file share
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879[11:09:31] <zprd> hi
880[11:10:33] <zprd> attic have been removed in stretch, how do you people do without it, any replacement?
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883[11:11:54] <colo-work> borgbackup maybe?
884[11:11:58] <colo-work> isn't that an attic form?
885[11:12:21] <colo-work> fork*
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891[11:17:22] <zprd> colo-work: donno. if it is compatible that would be ok
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894[11:26:38] <zprd> okay "Borg is not compatible with original Attic (but there is a one-way conversion)."
895[11:26:50] <zprd> replaced-url
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903[11:37:25] <holycow> hi guys
904[11:37:53] <holycow> so amd has dropped support for fglrx. does anyone what the future of amd proprietary drivers is on debian?
905[11:37:56] <holycow> or linxu even
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917[11:44:09] <petn-randall> holycow: The open-source drivers.
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919[11:44:18] <babilen> holycow: doomed! (but then the open ones are quite nice)
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924[11:44:57] <holycow> aha!
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926[11:46:14] <holycow> okay that straighten things out. googling more. thank you kindly
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934[11:50:13] <holycow> have a good night
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974[12:19:37] <jusss> doesn't debian provide gnome-version iso?
975[12:20:14] <jusss> I visit debian.org, I only find net-install xfce4 and mac
976[12:20:28] <petn-randall> jusss: Do you have internet access during installation?
977[12:21:06] <jusss> petn-randall: I have internet, but I'm affraid debian's iso don't contain my wifi-card driver
978[12:21:36] <MegaXLR> What card are you using?
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980[12:22:11] <petn-randall> jusss: If you use the firmware installer, you can simply download every DE you want during installation.
981[12:22:12] <jusss> petn-randall: I remember there were 600M iso for gnome version 3 years ago
982[12:22:15] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
983[12:22:15] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
984[12:22:29] <jusss> rtl8723bs
985[12:22:30] <petn-randall> jusss: netinst doesn't contain any DE, it'll just download the one you select.
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987[12:23:55] <jusss> ok, it just like archlinux any more
988[12:24:15] <jusss> install every throught the internet
989[12:24:20] <jusss> everything
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996[12:38:21] <ForceRecon> I have trouble on a home network getting updates for LMDE. If I disable ipv6 then everything runs smooth.. what is the downside to disabling ipv6 on a file server local that is not used for anything but a file share
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1051[13:18:05] <jelly> ForceRecon: there's no downside
1052[13:18:27] <jelly> apart from the obvious, ipv6 won't work
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1055[13:20:31] <BluesKaj> usually ISP provided routers have IPv6 disabled
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1057[13:21:03] <shtrb> BluesKaj, for ISP that provide ipv6 access ?
1058[13:21:48] <BluesKaj> shtrb, some aren't up to speed on newer technology yet
1059[13:22:36] <ForceRecon> more blue!
1060[13:22:39] <ForceRecon> thanks guys
1061[13:22:43] <ForceRecon> just wanted to make sure
1062[13:23:32] <BluesKaj> hey ForceRecon
1063[13:23:54] <Dagger> you should really fix the problem rather than just rage-quitting v6 though
1064[13:24:31] <Dagger> v4 is gradually degrading, we need the entire internet to move to v6 and disabling it at the slightest sign of trouble is really not helping
1065[13:24:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, perhaps a friendly chat with your provider
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1067[13:25:36] <Iridos> on a purely internal host? That sounds like wasted effort
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1070[13:26:50] <ForceRecon> well.. I can always turn it back on
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1072[13:27:10] <ForceRecon> for now it is working well and quick.. just what I needed
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1086[13:47:08] <Achylles> how do I mount a .img in debian
1087[13:47:15] <Achylles> mount -o loop FD12FULL.img /mnt
1088[13:47:27] <JustASlacker> looks good
1089[13:47:33] <Achylles> mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
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1091[13:47:58] <JustASlacker> you can try to specify fs type via -t
1092[13:47:58] <Achylles> this is a freedos .img
1093[13:48:19] <Achylles> it says that it is a dos file
1094[13:48:27] <petn-randall> IIRC img is not a defined format, you'll have to convert it to iso first.
1095[13:48:35] <Achylles> but, -t vfat does not work
1096[13:48:52] <Achylles> -t auto does not work either
1097[13:49:27] <JustASlacker> see what petn-randall wrote
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1099[13:49:46] <shtrb> use hd to identify the formqt
1100[13:50:13] <gpunk> Achylles: can you do a head FD12FULL.img ?
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1102[13:50:20] <Achylles> petn-randall, this is possible -> replaced-url
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1104[13:50:50] <gpunk> what is the size of it ?
1105[13:51:16] <shtrb> mount -t msdos loop,offset=XXX file /mnt/bugs
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1107[13:51:59] <shtrb> where xxx is the begining of the content
1108[13:53:07] <shtrb> Achylles, please try mount -t msdos loop,offset=32256 fd12full.img /mnt/bugs
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1110[13:57:11] <Achylles> it does not work... the result is showing me the mount help page...
1111[13:57:25] <JustASlacker> -o
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1114[13:57:36] <JustASlacker> ^ missing
1115[13:57:59] <JustASlacker> mount -t msdos -o loop,offset=32256 fd12full.img /mnt/bugs
1116[13:58:20] <Achylles> great!
1117[13:58:25] <shtrb> !next
1118[13:58:25] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1119[13:58:35] <Achylles> worked!
1120[13:58:52] <Achylles> but, how do you know the offset number?
1121[13:58:54] <BanHammor> i think the proper way to do this would be through kpartx
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1123[13:59:16] <shtrb> Achylles, images are result of dd for example, so you need to have some offest
1124[13:59:46] <Achylles> ok, but I mean the exact number...
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1126[14:01:08] <shtrb> the 32,256 (standard sector number * size per sector ) is a standard offset to data
1127[14:01:15] <Achylles> I am trying to upgrade my bios using freedos...
1128[14:01:33] <BanHammor> i'm not sure how mounting helps this
1129[14:01:35] <shtrb> If that is because of spectre and meltdown stop!
1130[14:02:02] <shtrb> there was a big warning few days ago to stop bios upgrades on intel used hardware
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1132[14:02:19] <Achylles> BanHammor, now I have added the new_bios.exe to the mounted image
1133[14:02:53] <Achylles> And I have to cp it to another folder and reimage it
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1135[14:03:15] <shtrb> Achylles, is that because of meltdown/spectre ?
1136[14:03:22] <Achylles> no
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1144[14:11:28] <Emil> Hey anyone know how to prevent script from outputting the Script started on Tue 30 Jan 2018 03:10:25 PM EET line?
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1146[14:13:18] <petemc> comment out the line in script that produces that output
1147[14:13:34] <petemc> oh, script the commabnd
1148[14:13:36] <petemc> ?
1149[14:14:08] <petemc> -q, perhaps
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1168[14:29:58] <mdk> Hi, on an old laptop with a rotating disk I spotted the disk is almost continuously working (it make the working sound like I'm actively using it like during a big rsync), so I tried to understand, but nothing to spot on iotop -a, so tried to kill almost everything (still like 80 process under kthread but reduced to 4 outside of it), set journald storage to volatile, set noatime to my /, now clearly nothing
1169[14:29:59] <mdk> on iotop -a, still hearing the sound ... any hint on how to find this?
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1175[14:32:44] <mpo> mdk, is the device swapping? check with free -h
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1177[14:33:28] <mdk> mpo: Swap: used: 0B
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1179[14:34:40] <mdk> I suspect ext4 doing some maintenance but I don't know how to tell
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1182[14:36:38] <SwedeMike> mdk: you can use "iostat -x 5" to see how much activity is actually going on, just to verify what you're actually hearing.
1183[14:36:49] <SwedeMike> mdk: typically there is no such thing as "ext4 doing maintenance"
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1185[14:37:36] <mdk> SwedeMike: ok
1186[14:38:03] <mdk> started wicd again, installed sysstat, running iostat -x5
1187[14:38:31] <mdk> %system around 0.20-0.55
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1189[14:38:57] <mdk> %util once raised to 8% but around 0% on the other lines
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1192[14:41:47] <mdk> SwedeMike: avg-cpu is moving a bit but does not looks like to concern the disk may be just due to iostat running. for the disk device I'm getting almost %util = 0 every time
1193[14:42:25] <mdk> Restarted with -x60... getting zeroes everywhere (except for CPU obviously)
1194[14:42:34] <mdk> still hearing the disk oO
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1197[14:42:56] <mpo> It's the fan
1198[14:42:57] <obiwahn> hi is there a way to force java8 for jenkins only?
1199[14:43:21] <mdk> mpo: I though of it but it really sound like a disk if it's the fan ^^
1200[14:44:09] <mpo> mdk, really, this is a non-issue
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1202[14:44:23] <mdk> mpo: yes I know, I was curious to find tools to find an answer
1203[14:44:26] <babilen> obiwahn: You can configure Jenkin's JRE
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1205[14:45:52] <mdk> mpo: I really dont think it's the fan, because ... the fan just started and know I'm getting two distincts sounds ^^ thanks for the help anyone
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1207[14:46:29] <mpo> mdk, please stop messaging me
1208[14:46:43] <mdk> ok
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1213[14:52:18] <Nawab> ,v opencl-amdgpu-pro
1214[14:52:20] <judd> No package named 'opencl-amdgpu-pro' was found in amd64.
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1228[15:06:10] <Nawab> hello
1229[15:06:19] <Nawab> whats the opencl c headers package?
1230[15:06:23] <Nawab> ,v opencl
1231[15:06:24] <judd> No package named 'opencl' was found in amd64.
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1234[15:07:55] <Emil> petemc: yeah script the command
1235[15:08:06] <Emil> petemc: -q didn't help
1236[15:08:19] <Emil> I currently use tail -n +2 but that's hacky
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1243[15:12:42] <Nawab> hello?
1244[15:13:15] <Nawab> i tried apt-cache, and downloaded the c and c++ headers of the project im trying to build, but none of it works
1245[15:13:31] <Nawab> s/of the project/opencl
1246[15:15:07] <jelly> Nawab: first thing I'd try would be: apt-cache search opencl dev
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1249[15:15:42] <Nawab> jelly: ok doing
1250[15:16:07] <Nawab> opencl-c-headers <-- i hav this installed
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1254[15:19:28] <Nawab> checking for OpenCL... no
1255[15:19:35] <Nawab> still getting tht
1256[15:19:39] <Nawab> jelly: ^
1257[15:20:35] <Rusty1> apt search opencl
1258[15:20:53] <Nawab> its the same
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1261[15:22:30] <Rusty1> libclc-dev ?
1262[15:23:10] <Nawab> dpkg -l | grep libclc-dev
1263[15:23:10] <dpkg> ii | grep libclc-dev 2.4-11 nawab's private warez collection
1264[15:23:11] <Nawab> ii libclc-dev 0.2.0+git20160907-4 all OpenCL C language implementation - development files
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1266[15:24:00] <Nawab> i hav tht too
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1269[15:25:14] <Nawab> jelly: what do you say?
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1271[15:29:07] <Nawab> anybody can help me?
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1273[15:29:29] <Nawab> replaced-url
1274[15:29:36] <Nawab> im trying to build this
1275[15:29:40] <petn-randall> !hurry
1276[15:29:40] <dpkg> [hurry] Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
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1279[15:32:44] <Nawab> petn-randall: can you help me?
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1281[15:33:04] <shtrb> Nawab, actual error ? does the includes that project use search in the correct places ?
1282[15:33:09] <shtrb> if others can answer ...
1283[15:33:20] <Nawab> shtrb: i did autoreconf -ivf
1284[15:33:30] <Nawab> then i did ./conbfigure
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1286[15:33:40] <Nawab> the configure step leads to this error
1287[15:33:44] <shtrb> output of configure -> paste site
1288[15:34:03] <Nawab> CFLAGS="-O3 -march=native -Wall" ./configure
1289[15:34:11] <shtrb> !paste
1290[15:34:12] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1297[15:38:05] <Nawab> shtrb: replaced-url
1298[15:38:07] <tsglove> Pardon my ignorance, yet: Is there a debian "server" download?
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1300[15:38:20] <tsglove> I'm looking at this link --> replaced-url
1301[15:38:35] <Nawab> tsglove: which arch
1302[15:38:46] <tsglove> amd64 Nawab
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1304[15:38:51] <tsglove> I'm going to create a small VM
1305[15:38:53] <Nawab> theres a selection of arches there
1306[15:39:00] <Nawab> also what do you mean by server?
1307[15:39:05] <tsglove> I ask, because I'm coming from Ubuntu, which has Desktop and Server.
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1309[15:39:15] <Nawab> theres no server download
1310[15:39:30] <Nawab> you can choose to download the Web Server during install
1311[15:39:35] <tsglove> Ahh. Ok. So Debina, I download, install... and set it up as desired?
1312[15:39:36] <tsglove> ahhh
1313[15:39:37] <tsglove> ok
1314[15:39:50] <tsglove> Or, I can install then later php, or a SQL engine, or whateveR?
1315[15:40:03] <Nawab> yes, you can also download later
1316[15:40:12] <tsglove> Ok super. Thank you
1317[15:40:24] <Nawab> apt-get install package
1318[15:40:40] <Nawab> and apt-cache search package-initials <-- to search
1319[15:40:48] <Nawab> tsglove: ^
1320[15:41:14] <Nawab> shtrb: ?
1321[15:41:26] <tsglove> Nawab, yeah... at least I know that much. Thank you! I was just wondering. Seems like Debian is much more "pure" than Ubuntu.
1322[15:41:38] <Nawab> yeah debians cool
1323[15:41:56] <tsglove> Ubuntu gives you the Desktop download, which obviously has desktop stuff. Or the Ubunut Server download, which I guess "customizes" for server stuff.
1324[15:42:04] <Nawab> tsglove: plus the stretch distro is quite stable n up-to-date
1325[15:42:10] <tsglove> Debian seems to download a streamline OS... and then you install whatever you want.
1326[15:42:19] <tsglove> Super.
1327[15:42:21] <Nawab> yeah its called netinstall
1328[15:42:27] <tsglove> netinstall. Ok got it.
1329[15:42:58] <Nawab> you download the min required packages to get a device install started in a iso, and then install other packages from the installer process
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1331[15:43:48] <tsglove> Yeah, makes sense.
1332[15:44:01] <Nawab> shtrb: you there?
1333[15:44:19] <tsglove> And also makes sense the Ubuntu way for people that either don't want to deal with that, or just want everything done.
1334[15:44:20] <tsglove> Cool.
1335[15:44:34] <Nawab> hmm
1336[15:45:04] <petn-randall> tsglove: The Ubuntu Server/Desktop CDs (and also all the {l,x,k,whatever}ubuntu spinoffs) are all from the same system but just select different defaults. Debian saves all this crap by just letting you select what you want during installation.
1337[15:45:32] <BanHammor> say i wanna make a Debian bootstrap image, and then have a script configure it when i boot it based on lscpu, df and other command outputs.
1338[15:45:33] <tsglove> petn-randall, that explains a lot.
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1341[15:45:58] <tsglove> Personally, I love the xfce dm. Actually, intalling Xebian pronto in a laptop at home.
1342[15:46:21] <BanHammor> is there a way to run a script exactly once on boot and then never have it run again?
1343[15:47:12] <petn-randall> tsglove: What is xebian pronto?
1344[15:47:23] <tsglove> lol a typo
1345[15:47:24] <tsglove> hahah
1346[15:47:36] <Nawab> BanHammor: what kind of script?
1347[15:47:44] <Deknos> hey, is there a tool where i can pin packages or must i do this via a file add in /etc/apt/preferences.d?
1348[15:48:07] <BanHammor> Nawab, a shell script, i'm guessing it will be run by systemd?
1349[15:48:17] <Nawab> BanHammor: to do what?
1350[15:48:28] <petn-randall> BanHammor: If it's a VM, there's already tools for that: virt-sysprep --firstboot
1351[15:48:41] <petn-randall> Deknos: Why do you need to pin packages?
1352[15:48:52] <Nawab> shtrb: you there?
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1356[15:49:48] <Nawab> petn-randall: can you help me too?
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1358[15:49:54] <BanHammor> Nawab, set up /etc/fstab and choose/install an appropriate Linux image+DTB, for one.
1359[15:50:25] <shtrb> Nawab, Sorry was out please check if ocl-icd-opencl-dev and your card opencl-dev packages are installed
1360[15:50:35] <Nawab> BanHammor: like dd a previously extracted image and set up all things?
1361[15:50:46] <Nawab> shtrb: thnx
1362[15:51:22] <Nawab> shtrb: what "card opencl-dev packages"
1363[15:51:33] <Nawab> pls _/\_
1364[15:52:48] <shtrb> Nawab, example nvidia-opencl-dev
1365[15:52:57] <Nawab> shtrb: my card is amd
1366[15:54:06] <shtrb> start with getting ocl-icd-opencl-dev and running configure again
1367[15:55:25] <petn-randall> Nawab: If I knew an answer, I'd respond to you.
1368[15:55:36] <shtrb> Nawab, I'm guessing too
1369[15:56:17] <Nawab> BanHammor: you can plain dd a image of a clean install and then set up your home dir in the same way, but imho tht did be not appropriate
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1372[15:59:18] <Nawab> checking for OpenCL... yes
1373[15:59:24] <Nawab> i guess it worked
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1375[15:59:39] <Deknos> that was not my question o_O
1376[16:00:06] <shtrb> Nawab please setup your question to dpkg
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1379[16:00:19] <Nawab> shtrb: ?
1380[16:00:38] <shtrb> next time when someone would ask that dpkg will tell them what to install
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1382[16:00:47] <petn-randall> Deknos: Correct, that was my question.
1383[16:00:48] <Nawab> shtrb: how do i do tht
1384[16:01:10] <shtrb> test is blablalba please install blablabla
1385[16:01:25] <Nawab> huh?
1386[16:01:32] <BanHammor> Nawab, i'm sorry, but i don't think we are talking about the same use-case. I'm talking about a debootstrap installation.
1387[16:01:34] <Nawab> what is the command
1388[16:01:43] <BanHammor> i think i found out how to so it, anyhow.
1389[16:01:44] <Nawab> BanHammor: oh
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1392[16:02:32] <petn-randall> Deknos: In 10/10 times apt pinning is used to break a Debian installation in cruel and unusual ways by mixing stable and testing. All legit uses are within measuring error.
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1397[16:04:50] <Nawab> shtrb: how do i set it?
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1400[16:05:24] <shtrb> dpkg, mysfactoid is a test message
1401[16:05:25] <dpkg> shtrb: okay
1402[16:05:32] <shtrb> !myfactoid
1403[16:05:40] <petn-randall> !mysfactoid
1404[16:05:41] <dpkg> somebody said mysfactoid was a test message
1405[16:05:50] <petn-randall> dpkg: forget mysfactoid
1406[16:05:52] <dpkg> i forgot mysfactoid, petn-randall
1407[16:05:52] <shtrb> Nawab like that
1408[16:05:59] <shtrb> thanks petn-randall
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1410[16:07:43] <jelly> Deknos: there probably is no tool because it's a horrible easily misunderstood and easily misused feature; if you need it, chances are there are better ways to achieve your goal
1411[16:08:26] <jelly> Deknos: so... what's your actual goal?
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1414[16:09:29] <jelly> Deknos: "I need to pin a package" "Which package and version and why do you want to pin it and where does it come from; pastebin «apt-cache policy» and «apt-cache policy relevant package names»"
1415[16:09:31] <Nawab> dpkg, sgminer Building sgminer on debian requires the following package, ocl-icd-libopencl1. Plus also download your AMD or Nvidia card drivers(for nvidia also download nvidia-opencl-dev). If you are having trouble building the submodules/jannson package,from the sgminer-git, download it from the git repo for it.
1416[16:09:32] <dpkg> Nawab: what are you talking about?
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1418[16:10:40] <Nawab> dpkg, sgminer is Building sgminer on debian requires the following package, ocl-icd-libopencl1. Plus also download your AMD or Nvidia card drivers(for nvidia also download nvidia-opencl-dev). If you are having trouble building the submodules/jannson package,from the sgminer-git, download it from the git repo for it.
1419[16:10:40] <dpkg> okay, Nawab
1420[16:10:48] <Nawab> !sgminer
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1423[16:11:40] <Nawab> !sgminer
1424[16:11:46] <Nawab> !sgminer
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1426[16:12:02] <shtrb> lol
1427[16:12:04] <petn-randall> !tell Nawab -about selftell
1428[16:12:10] <jelly> !msg the bot
1429[16:12:10] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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1431[16:13:32] <Nawab> shtrb: can you try typing !sgminer, i tried but it doesnt seem to hav noticed it
1432[16:14:00] <Nawab> !sgminer
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1435[16:15:18] <shtrb> strange
1436[16:15:47] <shtrb> petn-randall, do you have an idea why his factoid failed ?
1437[16:16:10] <shtrb> or anyone else
1438[16:17:20] <shtrb> dpkg went full systemd
1439[16:17:20] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, shtrb
1440[16:18:27] <Nawab> jelly: can you remove "sgminer" factoid
1441[16:18:31] <Nawab> jelly: can you remove "sgminer" factoid
1442[16:18:35] <Nawab> oops
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1444[16:18:48] <petn-randall> Nawab: Have you tried messaging the bot yet?
1445[16:19:00] <Nawab> petn-randall: i messaged it in a query
1446[16:19:22] <Nawab> shtrb: its working now
1447[16:20:08] <Nawab> idk
1448[16:20:13] <Nawab> SGMiner is Building sgminer on debian requires the following packages: ocl-icd-opencl-dev,nvidia-opencl-dev(for Nvidia cards). Also download the opencl drivers for your card. If you're having trouble building the submodules/janssons makefile, download it from the git repo.
1449[16:20:39] <Nawab> can anyone add tht to the factoid, i cant be seem to add it :3
1450[16:20:42] <petn-randall> Nawab: My guess it that it didn't work because of some other keywords in the sentences. Try "sgminer is <reply>Building sgminer on debian ...", that should work.
1451[16:20:54] <Nawab> ok
1452[16:21:03] <shtrb> cool !
1453[16:21:40] <petn-randall> The "<reply>" part is literal, so just replace the dots at the end with the rest of the message.
1454[16:21:53] <Nawab> 20:51 <dpkg> ...but sgminer is already something else..
1455[16:23:22] <Nawab> petn-randall: ^
1456[16:24:27] <petn-randall> Nawab: /msg dpkg forget sgminer
1457[16:25:34] <Nawab> !sgminer
1458[16:25:34] <dpkg> Building sgminer on debian requires the following packages: ocl-icd-opencl-dev,nvidia-opencl-dev(for Nvidia cards). Also download the opencl drivers for your card. If you're having trouble building the submodules/janssons makefile, download it from the git repo.
1459[16:25:40] <Nawab> hows tht
1460[16:26:10] <petn-randall> yay \o/
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1467[16:32:40] <Deknos> jelly, petn-randall: actually i currently do not need pinning, it was some time ago. i needed it for the docker framework and their repository. and i just generally prefer commands than creating files for creating such a configuration :)
1468[16:32:58] <Deknos> it was a more general question. :>
1469[16:33:45] <petn-randall> Deknos: You don't need any pinning for docker, their version numbers are higher, and IIRC they even use different package names (docker-ce vs docker).
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1472[16:37:04] <jhutchins_wk> Deknos: Generally all wrapper commands do is create or alter the text files anyway.
1473[16:37:23] <jhutchins_wk> Deknos: The nice thing about text config files is that you can read them whether the system is working or not.
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1498[17:00:24] <Nawab> ,v amd-libopencl1
1499[17:00:25] <judd> Package: amd-libopencl1 on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
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1503[17:01:50] <Nawab> shtrb: you there?
1504[17:02:01] <Nawab> [21:27:47] Error -1001: clGetPlatformsIDs failed (no OpenCL SDK installed?)
1505[17:02:04] <Nawab> [21:27:47] clDevicesNum returned error, no GPUs usable
1506[17:02:07] <Nawab> [21:27:47] All devices disabled, cannot mine!
1507[17:02:15] <Nawab> getting this error while running sgminer
1508[17:02:20] <Nawab> sorry for the spam
1509[17:02:21] <shtrb> Nawab, sorry my irc connection is missbehaving
1510[17:02:27] <Nawab> ok
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1522[17:08:17] <hexnewbie> Does Debian Jessie have any package that provides an IRC bot/logger that can join a channel and log (reliably), without reading 20 pages of docs? Eggdrop mangled any non-ASCII, thereby producing unreadable logs. Nadoka doesn't seem to have any docs, and the example included doesn't join channels (also the Jessie package has /usr/bin/ruby1.8 hardcoded, ugh)
1523[17:09:02] <petn-randall> hexnewbie: Personally, I just run irssi in a GNU screen, it can also log as side effect.
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1525[17:09:34] <hexnewbie> petn-randall: Hm, that sounds like a better solution that using a bot. OTOH, running that from a systemd service will be slightly funny :)
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1527[17:09:57] <petn-randall> hexnewbie: It can also be told to remember to which networks/channels it should join.
1528[17:10:16] <petn-randall> hexnewbie: Should be doable, though I've been too lazy for now ;)
1529[17:10:25] <hexnewbie> I may cook up a service that starts tmux + weechat that logs.
1530[17:10:32] <hexnewbie> petn-randall: Thanks for the idea
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1533[17:12:39] <mahafyi> hello, if i use debian 9 live CD, will changes made persist on the pendrive?
1534[17:13:27] <jelly> mahafyi: they don't by default.
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1536[17:14:20] <alkisg> hexnewbie: apt install supybot
1537[17:15:31] <mahafyi> jelly , thanks, so i assume it can be made possible. I have a small cloud instance for the testing i need to do, but i am unable to use vnc with gnome, though xfce works fine. I have to figure out what i am not doing, i tried startx but it errored out saying console login is required.
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1540[17:16:33] <jelly> mahafyi: replaced-url
1541[17:16:45] <jelly> I have no idea how up-to-date that manual is.
1542[17:17:02] <mahafyi> jelly , thank you! will read and work at it
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1554[17:35:48] <hexnewbie> alkisg: Thanks for your suggestion too.
1555[17:37:05] <alkisg> np
1556[17:37:20] <alkisg> hexnewbie: we run it at #ltsp if you wanna poke it
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1558[17:37:30] <alkisg> It logs, but it also remembers factoids and a lot others
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1586[17:56:11] <jhutchins_wk> How about a web client that will do persistent sessions? (Security here doesn't like persistent ssh sessions.)
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1591[17:59:28] <Deknos> petn-randall: thanks for your concern, but i know the pitfalls. but every once in a while it is a useful trick. one has to be careful to use it, i know.
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1593[17:59:45] <Deknos> jhutchins_wk, wou could argue the same for add-apt-repository and /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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1597[18:00:28] <Deknos> tools for generating config files ARE useful. and if it is only if you have to change your interface, you can migrate softer to a new version/config format...
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1602[18:02:57] <Deknos> bye :)
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1606[18:05:45] <jelly> but debian does not come with apt-add-re... eh :-)
1607[18:05:56] <jelly> software-properties-common: /usr/bin/add-apt-repository
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1609[18:07:22] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: how does security feel about working around their policies, no matter the method used?
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1617[18:13:28] <Nawab> /join ##llamas
1618[18:13:42] <Nawab> /join ##llamas
1619[18:13:44] <Nawab> oops
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1627[18:21:07] <Euph0ria> msg nickserv identify LxtCenuxBabkf1I
1628[18:21:23] <annadane> Euph0ria, change your password
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1631[18:22:18] <octet> uh oh
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1636[18:23:39] <Nawab> lol
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1639[18:24:08] <gpunk> nice password
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1642[18:24:54] <BanHammor> i like it
1643[18:25:35] <gpunk> I think I am gonna use with my paypal
1644[18:25:40] <gpunk> it*
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1655[18:30:59] <zerocool> who the FRICK works on KDE
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1657[18:31:05] <zerocool> no... remmina
1658[18:31:22] <annadane> zerocool, if you have a question, just ask it
1659[18:31:38] <annadane> replaced-url
1660[18:31:46] <jelly> maybe they just want to meet Frick
1661[18:31:49] <zerocool> i have two screens, when i full-screen remmina there is no telling which screen it will pick to go full screen on
1662[18:32:16] <jelly> zerocool: are you using remming from stretch-backports? Older versions have some other issues.
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1664[18:32:21] <jelly> remmina*
1665[18:32:38] <jelly> ,v remmina
1666[18:32:39] <judd> Package: remmina on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.0-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.1.1-2; stretch-backports: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1; sid: 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfsg-1
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1669[18:33:33] <zerocool> ii remmina 1.2.0-rcgit.26+dfs amd64
1670[18:34:05] <jelly> okay, that's new enough
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1673[18:35:08] <zerocool> i have tried every combination of fidgeting with the windows to find out how it's picking a screen but it seriously doesn't seem to have a system
1674[18:36:05] <jelly> you can try to force its behaviour with kde's per-window specific settings, or with devilspie
1675[18:36:30] <jelly> ie. force it to always use screen 2 or whatever
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1697[18:54:47] <zerocool> i could, or i could turn it into a drinking game. if the window doesnt full screen to the screen it was on before i can drink.
1698[18:55:14] <zerocool> that will also sooth my frustration
1699[18:55:40] <zerocool> and at a certain point i will learn to look forward to this behavior
1700[18:55:58] <zerocool> and even demand it
1701[18:56:25] <zerocool> violently
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1704[18:57:20] <jelly> I bet you also use testing or unstable branch and not stretch!
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1707[18:57:42] <jelly> living on the edge
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1713[18:58:15] <zerocool> im running unstable in a vm hosted on plan9
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1715[18:59:16] <jelly> wait, if you're running remmina in a remote vm, how do you connect to see that vm's GUI?!!
1716[18:59:20] <annadane> not good enough, you must always live in fear that an update will destroy everything
1717[18:59:31] <annadane> i do not do drugs; that is my high
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1719[18:59:41] * jelly too
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1768[19:42:02] <goose> I'm trying to start OpenVPN on a raspberry pi, but it's failing to run at all via init.d. It runs fine with "openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf". #openvpn told me it's likely an issue with the init script, and I should check here as they don't maintain the init script.
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1775[19:44:20] <metastable> goose: I'd suggest adding a log parameter to your config file and seeing what's reported when you try to launch it via the init script.
1776[19:44:37] <jelly> goose: ask in #raspbian if that's the distro you have installed
1777[19:44:45] <zerocool> hey guys i have a real question for you... how do we debian folks mount filesystems automatically at boot but also not cause trouble if for whatever reason it cannot be mounted
1778[19:45:01] <zerocool> rc.local is not a thing anymore
1779[19:45:16] <jelly> we damn well decide whether we need a fs or not!
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1782[19:46:07] <metastable> zerocool: Describe the use case in a little more detail, please.
1783[19:46:26] <goose> update-rc.d defaults openvpn
1784[19:46:27] <goose> fixed it
1785[19:46:29] <goose> interesting
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1789[19:48:19] <zerocool> metastable: fileserver has a backup drive if i put it into /etc/fstab and the backup drive is not plugged in it'll cause the server to go into emergancy mode
1790[19:48:37] <zerocool> i want that disk mounted but don't stop the system from coming all the way up
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1792[19:48:58] <jelly> zerocool: man systemd.mount, read about nofail (but maybe also about various timeouts)
1793[19:49:02] <BanHammor> zerocool, systemd has a "nofail" option for mounts, see its doc
1794[19:49:34] <zerocool> i will read up on nofail but i thought there was a reason this wasn't suppose to be used for what i am describing
1795[19:49:43] <zerocool> will this also work for nfs and cifs mounts?
1796[19:50:21] <BanHammor> as far as systemd is concerned, nfs mount isn't any different from regular mount
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1798[19:50:42] <BanHammor> except maybe you wanna throw in a dependency on network
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1804[19:59:15] <Kobaz> configure: error: Package requirements (libzstd >= 1.0.0) were not met: No package 'libzstd' found
1805[19:59:33] <Kobaz> what package provides that? I'm having some trouble... the closest i've found is zlib1g-dev
1806[19:59:49] <annadane> what are you trying to do?
1807[19:59:56] <Kobaz> build btrfs-utils
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1809[20:00:13] <Kobaz> checking for ZSTD... no
1810[20:00:32] <Kobaz> it looks like libz compression libs
1811[20:01:35] <Kobaz> this is what's failing: pkg-config --exists --print-errors "libzstd >= 1.0.0"
1812[20:01:50] <jelly> Kobaz: get build dependencies from debian. MAke sure you have deb-src lines for your release present in sources.list, and: apt-get build-dep btrfs-utils
1813[20:02:06] <Kobaz> well i'm builing from git, which is a little different
1814[20:02:06] <jelly> ,v btrfs-utils
1815[20:02:07] <judd> No package named 'btrfs-utils' was found in amd64.
1816[20:02:20] <Kobaz> er... tools... btrfs-tools
1817[20:02:27] <jelly> ,v btrfs-tools
1818[20:02:28] <judd> Package: btrfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.19+20120328-7.1; wheezy-backports: 3.17-1.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.17-1.1; jessie-backports: 4.7.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.3-1; stretch-backports: 4.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.13.3-1; sid: 4.14.1-1
1819[20:02:49] <Kobaz> maybe i should do jessie-backports
1820[20:02:55] <Kobaz> and build from there
1821[20:03:01] <jelly> maybe you should add some deb-src
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1823[20:03:21] <Kobaz> well, the problem is btrfs git mainline, wants libzstd
1824[20:03:23] <jelly> and then NOT get sources from there, but build deps.
1825[20:03:26] <Kobaz> but debian doesn't have anything like that
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1827[20:04:22] <jelly> Kobaz: stretch has. Why deiban release are you targeting?
1828[20:04:30] <Kobaz> jessie
1829[20:04:40] <jelly> Kobaz: apt-cache search libzstd dev... returns nothing?
1830[20:04:54] <Kobaz> correct, nothing
1831[20:05:05] <Kobaz> oh, i see
1832[20:05:09] <Kobaz> yeah it is in stretch
1833[20:05:13] <jelly> Kobaz: are you SURE you're on jessie?
1834[20:05:14] <Kobaz> i didn't check newer distros
1835[20:05:17] <Kobaz> yes i'm on jessie
1836[20:05:25] <jelly> ,v libzstd-dev
1837[20:05:26] <judd> Package: libzstd-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.2-1; jessie-backports-sloppy: 1.3.2+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; buster: 1.3.3+dfsg-1; sid: 1.3.3+dfsg-1
1838[20:05:34] <Kobaz> yeah it's in backports
1839[20:05:37] <jelly> Kobaz: add jessie-backports-sloppy
1840[20:05:38] <Kobaz> i dont have backports on this box, adding
1841[20:06:31] <jelly> now why the hell do I have that enabled on a prod. jessie system
1842[20:06:45] * jelly blames the admin
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1863[20:48:10] <oo_miguel> I am trying to create an iso for automated installation, however I can not find the syslinux.cfg anywhere inside the netinst.iso...
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1868[20:49:24] <oo_miguel> ah or should i change the grub.cfg in this case
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1879[21:00:55] <zerocool> i need to make my nic vlan, then have two bridges, each to their own vlan... is this complicated?
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1881[21:01:12] <zerocool> i don't think it should be...
1882[21:01:19] <dutchfish> oo_miguel, debian-installer-9-netboot-amd64: /usr/lib/debian-installer/images/9/amd64/gtk/debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/syslinux.cfg
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1889[21:04:29] <dutchfish> oo_miguel, also replaced-url
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1892[21:04:52] <dutchfish> oo_miguel, maybe preseed is your thing....
1893[21:05:10] <oo_miguel> dutchfish: yeah i already created a preseed file
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1895[21:05:25] <oo_miguel> but did not manage to tell the installer to use it autaomtically
1896[21:05:32] <oo_miguel> i will have a look at the links , thank you
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1898[21:05:44] <dutchfish> oo_miguel, yw replaced-url
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2022[22:42:04] <user0> Can some one give me a command to perform a file backup of my debian system ?
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2024[22:42:39] <user0> cd / && sudo tar xvzfp backup.tar.gz ???
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2027[22:43:45] <annadane> you can probably just use rsync, and you don't need to use sudo
2028[22:44:08] <user0> annadane: if i have no read permission on a file it will fail
2029[22:44:12] <user0> like certificates
2030[22:44:13] <somiaj> backups take some thought, there are lots of tools, and in many cases you don't have to back up everything
2031[22:44:24] <annadane> hmm maybe
2032[22:44:29] <somiaj> for example, if stuff is installed from a debian package, you don't nee dto backup it yourself, and so forth.
2033[22:45:03] <somiaj> tar and rsync can be useful to build your own solution, there are also a lot of different backup utilities, like rdiff-backup, and more in the archives you can use
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2036[22:48:50] <annadane> i personally never bother with full backups and just copy paste what i need but obviously my use case should not be assumed to be typical
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2039[22:49:19] <user0> annadane: i don't wanna perform remote backup but local backup in case where i have dpkg problem or any config problem if my machine brake i just wanna restore everything my system is small enough
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2041[22:49:37] <somiaj> user0: rsync can be used locally
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2066[23:13:02] <vvor> user0: replaced-url
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2070[23:15:40] <omniuwo> if I add IPv6 conf to my interfaces(5), a ifreload(8) won't set default IPv6 gateway (a reboot will)
2071[23:16:35] <metastable> omniuwo: Can you post your interfaces file?
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2085[23:26:47] <omniuwo> metastable: replaced-url
2086[23:27:47] <metastable> I don't know why you completely sanitized the whole thing. I can't really tell anything from that.
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2088[23:29:42] <metastable> I will tell you that the netmask and accept_ra lines are redundant when your inet6 stanza is configured as a static configuration.
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2090[23:29:58] <metastable> The netmask line is redundant, period, because you've already specified the prefix in the address line.
2091[23:30:07] <omniuwo> ok
2092[23:30:35] <metastable> omniuwo: When someone asks for your interfaces file, don't redact the whole thing. We actually do care about what data you've entered, as that might be part of the problem.
2093[23:30:40] <omniuwo> yes, I thought so, I added it to the address line since it got set as a /128 without it
2094[23:31:03] <metastable> omniuwo: Yeah, if you don't specify a prefix, it sets the smallest prefix possible.
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2099[23:32:50] <omniuwo> ok, thanks
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2102[23:33:45] <metastable> omniuwo: If you want to mask SOME data (understandable), mask the first two octets of an IPv4 address, or the first three sections of an IPv6 address. Don't mask the CIDR prefix/netmask/prefix at all.
2103[23:34:08] <metastable> omniuwo: And only mask data if it's a public IP address.
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2105[23:34:39] <omniuwo> metastable: ok, it just went ;)
2106[23:35:00] <metastable> There you go.
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2109[23:35:33] <omniuwo> thing is, would the redacted data be errouneous, a reboot wouldn't set it, right?
2110[23:36:51] <metastable> omniuwo: I've found that syntax/data errors in the interfaces file can have different behavior when run through ifup/down/reload vs a reboot.
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2115[23:40:12] <aphotica> hi, i'm on debian 9.3, using xfce and thunar makes me enter my password everytime i try to mount a drive
2116[23:40:29] <aphotica> is there a way to fix that so i don't have to enter my password? i tried using chown and chmod resursively
2117[23:40:33] <aphotica> *recursively
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2138[23:59:57] <kion> is there a library that Debian needs to read android file systems?
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