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4[00:01:25] <_spOOn_> annadane: thanks, but the install environment doesn't have backports
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6[00:01:38] <_spOOn_> and therefore doesn't have the drivers I need to detect disk and partition etc
7[00:01:50] <_spOOn_> once installed, I'd be all good
8[00:02:01] <_spOOn_> guess my question is around actually getting the install done...
9[00:02:17] <somiaj> a manuall install using debootstrap from a system with a newer kernel?
10[00:03:02] <_spOOn_> hmm, okies
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13[00:04:19] <ksk> there are also some unofficial install media available, eg with unfree drivers included, but I dunno which kernel they use.
14[00:04:44] <_spOOn_> ksk: yeah, tried them thanks, but still 4.9 (or at least the ones I've tried)...
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16[00:05:01] <_spOOn_> I've not done the debootstrap thing before
17[00:05:05] <somiaj> check the testing netboot (or PXE boot), this may have the testing installer/newer kernel, and can install anything
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19[00:05:14] <ksk> replaced-url
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21[00:05:20] <_spOOn_> somiaj: yes, it does
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23[00:05:28] <_spOOn_> that was my question
24[00:05:30] <_spOOn_> if I use that
25[00:05:33] <somiaj> so the netboot PXE installer actually lets you pick which release to install during the process, unlike the netinstaller, it won't contain a base system, so it lets you choos which one.
26[00:05:35] <_spOOn_> can I deploy stable
27[00:05:47] <somiaj> afiak, if it is the pxe netboot (not the netinstaller) I think you can.
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29[00:05:56] <_spOOn_> and chroot and add backports
30[00:05:59] <_spOOn_> upgrade kernel
31[00:06:02] <_spOOn_> etc etc
32[00:06:06] <somiaj> you could also look at the release notes, at the 'flexiable method' for creating a usbstick
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34[00:06:20] <_spOOn_> somiaj: okies, thanks
35[00:06:24] <_spOOn_> will give that a go
36[00:06:26] <somiaj> I think in this process you need to copy over a vmlinuz image, and use syslinux, you might be able to get a stable usb installer with a newer kernel this way.
37[00:06:40] <somiaj> and you could grab the vmlinuz images from testing
38[00:06:43] <_spOOn_> somiaj: thanks
39[00:06:48] <ksk> a manual install with debootstrap is not that hard either, you just need some parted magic and you are basicly done (plus the debootstrap call, and grub-install)
40[00:07:13] <_spOOn_> ksk: yup, comfortable with that, use it a fair bit with gentoo
41[00:07:15] <somiaj> so there are two alternatives that may work, and deboostrap from a newer system and manually install will work as a third, the first two should at least let you use the debian installer.
42[00:07:18] <_spOOn_> just never done the "debian" way
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45[00:07:53] <ksk> I once tried to do it with arch and failed :D
46[00:07:59] <_spOOn_> hehe
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49[00:08:10] <somiaj> a few steps were missed, but if okay working from the cli in a chroot, debootstrap, mount --bind /proc, /dev/, /sys into the chroot, chroot into your install, install a kernel, install grub, write an fstab file so things get mounted at boot.
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52[00:08:30] <ksk> :)
53[00:08:33] <somiaj> the install grub into the mbr/efi partition, and then configure the firmware to boot
54[00:08:50] <somiaj> and do any other little thing you may want that the installer would have done
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94[00:35:29] <donald> I used to get the message replaced-url
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116[00:51:50] <lukma> Dear all,
117[00:52:27] <lukma> Is there any tool which allows installing packages (with version) on both deb and rpm based systems?
118[00:52:36] <klys> alien
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123[00:53:17] <lukma> I do need to install some packages with versions on various systems
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126[00:53:54] <annadane> flatpak...?
127[00:53:56] * annadane has no idea
128[00:54:17] <petemc> why not use the correct package format for the system you install on?
129[00:54:55] <lukma> petemc: I do not know if I will need to prepare fedora
130[00:54:59] <lukma> Debian, ubuntu
131[00:55:02] <lukma> or RHEL
132[00:55:14] <donald> lukama did you check virtualenv? it does not seem to do swhat you want
133[00:55:15] <lukma> or other...... (Gentoo..)
134[00:55:30] <donald> ah of course
135[00:55:34] <donald> hmm
136[00:55:49] <lukma> The goal is:
137[00:55:54] <donald> rpm + virtualenv but not sure for .deb
138[00:55:54] <lukma> I do have a package version
139[00:56:17] <lukma> and I want to install it on debian / ubuntu / fedora /rhel
140[00:56:36] <lukma> One solution - shell script with apt / rpm detection
141[00:56:40] <lukma> and then use native tools
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143[00:57:06] <lukma> but I'm wondering if I'm not re-inventing the wheel here
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145[00:57:29] <petemc> no, checking os and using appropriate tool is common
146[00:57:37] <oo_miguel> how can I tell pkg-config to use the distros version of a lib instead of the one in /usr/local ?
147[00:58:08] <klys> lukma, just make packages for each system
148[00:58:23] <annadane> that probably sounds the most sane
149[00:58:52] <lukma> klys: I would prefer to download binaries....
150[00:59:04] <lukma> like I do need to install some gui stuff
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153[00:59:28] <klys> lukma, then configure your preinst scripts to download your binaries and check the signaitures
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158[01:00:27] <Time-Warp> anyone know any radar forcast packages for debian
159[01:00:28] <Time-Warp> lol
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163[01:00:53] <lukma> klys: And how it is with available versions? With apt-policy I can install proper tools
164[01:01:11] <klys> time-warp, replaced-url
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166[01:02:02] <klys> lukma, if you make a package you can configure your deps to which ever versions you need.
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170[01:03:43] <petemc> as to whether they're installable..
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172[01:04:57] <Time-Warp> thanks klys
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174[01:05:04] <klys> :)
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179[01:06:20] <lukma> klys: But I would like to reuse as much as I can
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181[01:06:33] <lukma> to make a package I do need to compile them - of course
182[01:06:45] <lukma> and their dependencies
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185[01:07:20] <lukma> I would like to have some other solution -> say to apt-get install package_foo-1.2.3 and then it will solve dependencies for me
186[01:07:22] <klys> lukma, you're not going to get anywhere hijacking your clients' machines and running packaging tools on them.
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192[01:09:12] <petemc> ensure package_foo-1.2.3 is compiled to use the versions of the libraries you plan to need on the platforms you target
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196[01:09:57] <petemc> s/need/use/
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200[01:13:50] <lukma> petemc: Hmm.....
201[01:14:22] <lukma> Then it seems to me that I cannot assure that libX.verY will work with package-foo-1.2.3
202[01:14:43] <lukma> The only reliable way seems to either:
203[01:14:44] <lukma> Compile the stuff from source
204[01:14:48] <lukma> or
205[01:15:04] <lukma> Provide a VM image.........
206[01:15:37] <petemc> this is indeed not a new problem
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208[01:15:51] <petemc> and not debian related, really
209[01:16:24] <lukma> I'm asking here - since I'm using debian :)
210[01:16:30] <lukma> for many years now
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212[01:17:47] <awal1> stupid firefox pocket, not able to remove/disable it
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216[01:20:45] <somiaj> lukma: maybe provide a more detailed case you want as opposed to being vague. I think apt can work with .deb packages, thoug provided you have the depends are satsifiable, dpkg -i foo.deb followed by apt -f install will usually find and download the required depends, if they are satsifiable.
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218[01:22:34] <somiaj> oh, you are wanting to make a more generic package. In general it is probably best to compile the package for each system you need to install it on, using the tools for that system. Though there are various ways to make a static linked style binary that can run on multiple systems. Something like this replaced-url
219[01:22:40] <somiaj> it is best to build the software for each system y ou need it on indvidually.
220[01:23:15] <godane> i'm trying to chroot into a debootstrap x86_64 on i386
221[01:23:29] <somiaj> godane: did you install an amd64 kernel on i386?
222[01:23:41] <godane> i get this error with ldconfig : qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
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224[01:23:53] <godane> no amd64 kernel
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226[01:24:13] <awal1> ok solved (about:config --» extension.pocket.enabled ---» double clic = value false) if any one interested
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228[01:24:24] <somiaj> godane: so you are trying to use qemu-static for this? Does your cpu support 64bit extensions?
229[01:24:26] <godane> i'm using i386 host and trying build a debootstrap of x86_64
230[01:24:31] <godane> yes
231[01:24:44] <godane> its a computer i got from 2015
232[01:24:53] <godane> AMD A10
233[01:25:06] <somiaj> I would just install a 64bit kernel, it will make thigns easier and not have to use qemu to emulate x86_64, the i386 port of debian contains 64bit kernels.
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238[01:26:31] <somiaj> hmm, maybe you just need to get it with multiarch these days, but I recall an i386 kernel package that was compiled with 64bit extensions for just this purpose.
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240[01:27:27] <godane> how do you install a amd64 kernel on i386 host?
241[01:27:37] <somiaj> though maybe you just need to add amd64 as the arch, then install linux-image-amd64:amd64, and then boot from that kernel. You can boot into a 32bit user land with a 64bit kernel, and then easily chroot into 64bit installs with otu qemu
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245[01:28:25] <godane> i run a custom slax linux-live scripts
246[01:28:28] <somiaj> yea, looks like you shoudl just use multiarch to install a 64bit kernel, the older packages I recally must be from while multiarch was still in development.
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248[01:28:39] <somiaj> and what does that have to do with debian?
249[01:28:42] <godane> i need to do it in debian debootstrap to build aufs
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251[01:29:01] <godane> no aufs or linux-live initramfs my system will not boot
252[01:29:05] <somiaj> ahh, yea, just get yourself a 64bit kernel, and it will be easy to make a 64bit chroot.
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272[01:47:11] <stevendale> Hi
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274[01:48:30] <godane> somiaj: now i can't remove amd64 arch
275[01:49:31] <donald> godane what do you want to do?
276[01:49:44] <godane> i'm only trying amd64 to recompile kiwix-serve to see if a segment fault was cause by compiling it on 32-bit
277[01:50:29] <godane> i was hoping to do a debootstrap of amd64 and build a squashfs file
278[01:50:48] <godane> then i can build the linux-live stuff too that way
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293[02:01:27] <somiaj> godane: so? You have to explicity state :amd64 to install stuff from it. You would have to remove all amd64 packages, including that kernel to remove the arch.
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296[02:05:05] <stevendale> How do I enable the security repo? o3o
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302[02:08:30] <somiaj> !security.debian.org
303[02:08:31] <dpkg> Put "deb replaced-url
304[02:08:36] <somiaj> stevendale: usually it is setup by the installer
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308[02:09:42] <stevendale> What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get
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322[02:19:01] <somiaj> stevendale: there use to be a lot more, but they mostly have simlar features. aptitude has a full gui (ncurses) client, and has some very powerful search features. In general aptitude is slower than apt-get, but aptitude can sometimes figure out stuff apt-get cannot. Most dist-upgrades these days prefer apt-get over aptitude as another difference.
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382[03:14:55] <asterismo_m> vlt, are you there?
383[03:15:25] <dvs> in spirit
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456[04:05:12] <dpkg> keantoken: that's too long
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467[04:07:44] <holycow> anyone here manage to get a debian vm guest running on qemu access gpu passthrough resources successfully?
468[04:08:07] <holycow> windows guests can access gpu passthrough just fine but I cannot get any version of debian guests to do so
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616[06:55:36] <CIRBV3plp> THIS IS A FREENODE BREAKING NEWS ALERT!! Hitechcg AND opal ARE GOING AT IT RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF FIGHTING AND ARGUING WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS!! TYPE /JOIN TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN TO SEE THE ACTION!!
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698[07:21:04] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ouch!
699[07:21:11] <vlt> asterismo_l: Good morning!
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701[07:22:06] <vlt> asterismo_l: I'm confident we'll be able to rescue this.
702[07:23:02] <vlt> asterismo_l: I made this exact mistake myself a ew years ago. In preparation: We might need mdadm's --assume-clean option ;-)
703[07:23:39] <vlt> asterismo_l: I should be here until 17:00 UTC.
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732[07:52:13] <umbridge> Hi
733[07:53:43] <umbridge> lately, sometimes when upgrade packages, I get this error message in relation to update-initramfs: WARNING: Unknown X keysym "dead_belowmacron"
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735[07:54:00] <umbridge> otherwise all systems are nominal :P
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737[07:54:19] <umbridge> any idea what that could be?
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748[08:00:49] <lh_ideapad> it looks like that I have found a bug in `checkinstall`, where should I report it? I am getting errors at replaced-url
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751[08:01:35] <lh_ideapad> I added `--addso=yes` to `checkinstall` and made a DEB package. The package looks good, except for the `postinstall` script.
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754[08:02:13] <lh_ideapad> The script is here: replaced-url
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757[08:03:29] <lh_ideapad> The shebang requires `/bin/sh`, but the redirection of both stdout and stderr on line 6 (the `&>` syntax) is specific to bash. So the condition never yields true (returning zero).
758[08:04:16] <lh_ideapad> Eventually, each time this DEB package is installed, a new entry is appended to `/etc/ld.so.conf`, which I have to clean up periodically. o_O
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770[08:11:52] <lh_ideapad> Solution: Edit `/usr/bin/checkinstall`, goto line 1978, replace `&> /dev/null` with `>/dev/null 2>&1`.
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780[08:16:42] <starsnet> hi all)
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811[08:34:43] <umbridge> Hi, I don't mean to be a pain, but my irc client was misconfigured and didn't show earlier lines... In case my question was already answered, might someone paste it again? You could send it privately, so it doesn't clutter the chat. Thanks!
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819[08:38:25] <starsnet> hi all
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821[08:38:51] <starsnet> know anybody - where in debian start xfce4 dm ?
822[08:39:07] <lh_ideapad> umbridge, I haven't seen any new messages about your question since I joined here.
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825[08:39:43] <lh_ideapad> that is, about 40 minutes.
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833[08:44:34] <l0nl3y> why my kai says unable to locate package when my reposiories are well updated
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838[08:46:35] <umbridge> thanks lh_ideapad!
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844[08:48:44] <jelly> !reportbug
845[08:48:44] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
846[08:48:49] <jelly> lh_ideapad: ^
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861[08:55:51] <lh_ideapad> jelly, thanks.
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869[08:59:15] <starsnet> don't know about XFCE4 ?
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871[08:59:48] <lh_ideapad> no I don't know anything about it.
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876[09:01:03] <starsnet> does anyone do mips?
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902[09:13:49] <umbridge> bye
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914[09:21:29] <lh_ideapad> jelly, can I send the bug report mail by hand? MTA does not working properly.
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916[09:22:39] <lh_ideapad> oh I have got the acknowledgement. I thought it was dropped.
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926[09:26:47] <_k0ala_> why does the mbr leave 2 bytes?
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929[09:27:02] <_k0ala_> (empty bytes)
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940[09:30:24] <_k0ala_> is that to sort of "say" when it are the first 446 bytes, and when it are the last 64 bytes?
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950[09:37:16] <jelly> _k0ala_: which two bytes? replaced-url
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954[09:40:10] <_k0ala_> jelly: got it, the boot signature. ty.
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974[09:52:22] <dcpc007> hi, what is the difference between checkrestart and needrestart please (deb 8), they don't return the same answer for what i should restart
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976[09:53:31] <dcpc007> and herer with needrestart, i do yes for cron.d and he ask me again to restart if i recheck ...
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978[09:54:04] <dcpc007> journaltcl shows me the restart
979[09:54:06] <jelly> dcpc007: they do similar things but are not necessarily complete or 100% correct
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981[09:55:18] <dcpc007> after my last apt upgrade (+restart services), checkrestart ask me 5 services, and needrestart reboot for kernel + 1 service ....
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984[09:56:31] <dcpc007> hey, needrestart -v shows me that sshd process use obsolete nbinary but he don't asks me to restart the process ???
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987[09:57:06] <dcpc007> ha ok, "is ignored : part of the user session"
988[09:57:11] <jelly> probably because that process is a child and holds some user's session
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990[09:57:37] <dcpc007> check restart ask me to do service ssh restart :)
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992[09:57:57] <dcpc007> any advice on which to use ? i think both is confusing ...
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994[09:58:16] <dcpc007> and is there some news again when we'll go debian 9 ?
995[09:58:32] <jelly> uh, debian 9 has been released last year
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998[09:58:58] <dcpc007> lol if you want, near all my prod servers are debian 7
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1000[09:59:20] <dcpc007> no answers from all my alert email on the need to upgrade
1001[09:59:20] <jelly> wheezy-lts is EOL'd in two months
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1003[09:59:40] <dcpc007> yes and some compoent are KO since a longer time like tomcat
1004[09:59:49] <jelly> tomcat is easy to upgrade
1005[09:59:50] <dcpc007> i forward the official emails
1006[10:00:00] <dcpc007> lol not for our configs :)
1007[10:00:13] <dcpc007> all debian 7 are a "quick" answer to take back very older servers
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1009[10:00:46] <dcpc007> but with minimal work, like we take the code from 2004-2010 servers and put on "new" servers, trying to have the less modiciations to do
1010[10:01:11] <dcpc007> then, it's often tomcat 5-6 code, migrated on tomcat 7 ... and was bad code
1011[10:01:34] <dcpc007> i asked to recreate applications (and in the same time have a good and modern one) but they decline
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1013[10:02:01] <dcpc007> now, i wait the next step and do the next upgrade ... no answer.. stuck in deb 7 :('
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1016[10:02:34] <dcpc007> and hard to evaluate the work deb7 -> deb 8 will ask
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1018[10:03:03] <jelly> eh, I have like 80 outdated debian installs. 25 or so are older than wheezy
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1065[10:30:54] <w3gi> hi. i have a local testserver with apache2, mariadb and php... how do i disable the default-charsets? i have multiple projects and they use multiple encodings
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1068[10:31:37] <w3gi> so i need to config the server so, that iso-8859-1 works the same as utf-8
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1071[10:32:54] <w3gi> i tryed in the apache2.conf to add: AddDefaultCharset Off but that dont helo
1072[10:32:57] <w3gi> help
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1094[10:44:10] <somiaj> w3gi: dpkg-reconfigure locales, is the systemwide default set to None?
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1098[10:45:45] <w3gi> somiaj, no - de utf-8
1099[10:46:33] <somiaj> w3gi: Some suggest setting that to None giving indvidual shells the ability to more easily set their own locale fro those you have avaiable. Second, did you have the locales selected to be built that you wanted to use?
1100[10:46:53] <w3gi> i am talking about apache2
1101[10:46:54] <somiaj> but maybe setting that No will help apache beable to switch back and forth, here i'm not that sure on the details.
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1103[10:47:33] <somiaj> was the iso-8859-1 characterset you wanted to use selected to be built when you reconfigured the locales.
1104[10:48:10] <w3gi> that dont work so...
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1106[10:48:42] <w3gi> i have cca. 80 projects on my test-server and they use 4 or 5 different encodings
1107[10:49:05] <somiaj> and you awnt to be able to set the encoding for each virtual domain?
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1109[10:49:24] <somiaj> or is it more some directories will use one encoding and other directories will use another?
1110[10:49:25] <w3gi> i never used virt. domains
1111[10:49:47] <w3gi> i have all client projects in folders, thats it
1112[10:50:08] <w3gi> i dont want to configure apache always when i have a new project
1113[10:50:30] <somiaj> okay, just trying to get a sense of your setup so I can know what to better google
1114[10:50:47] <w3gi> plain standard installation
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1116[10:51:37] <w3gi> no changes till now - all as i came from the repository
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1118[10:52:29] <w3gi> in /var/replaced-url
1119[10:52:44] <w3gi> in the folders are the projects
1120[10:53:10] <somiaj> I think you can put an .htaccess in each directory to force character sets for that directory if the files aren't setting it up correctly.
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1122[10:53:43] <w3gi> the files contain meta-tags
1123[10:54:04] <somiaj> So maybe things like AddCharset or other such options there.
1124[10:54:06] <w3gi> but the broser ignore them because apache send a utf-8 encosing in the header
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1129[10:56:11] <w3gi> as i told i set: AddDefaultCharset Off
1130[10:56:20] <w3gi> bu no effect so far
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1133[10:57:29] <somiaj> well go to one of your directories you want to change the character set and try something like AddCharset ISO-8859-1 .html (or whatever you call the file names) and at least see if that will make all files in that directory report that characterset
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1136[11:00:07] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1138[11:01:13] <jelly> w3gi: are all those projects under the same VirtualHost?
1139[11:01:13] <somiaj> oh nevermind, IndexOptions would only be for the directory page apache generates.
1140[11:02:04] <jelly> and which debian release is this
1141[11:02:34] <w3gi> yes they are... 9.4
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1191[11:28:40] <Haohmaru> i can confirm that too :/
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1203[11:34:15] <jelly> w3gi: and your apps provide correct Content-Encoding headers that are clobbered by apache?
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1215[11:41:29] <w3gi> i found it... i set in the php.ini the default_encoding = ""
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1233[11:50:55] <diveyez> 0% [Connecting to ftp-nyc.osuosl.org (2600:3404:200:237::2)] [Connecting to prod.debian.map.fastly.net (2a04:4e42:c::204)]
1234[11:51:00] <diveyez> That mirror is garbage
1235[11:51:10] <diveyez> Need to have a talk with them, or pull it
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1585[12:37:26] <hexnewbie> What would be a character map program that can display all characters matching a search string for Debian Stretch? gucharmap can only search character at a time, and Debian Jessie has kcharselect, but that crashes on Stretch
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1588[12:38:06] <BCMM> hexnewbie: hmm, kcharselect shouldn't be crashing...
1589[12:38:15] <BCMM> does it do it on startup, or when you do some specific action, or what?
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1594[12:40:14] <hexnewbie> BCMM: When you select a large character set or type any search string (Debian bug 869116, which is marked fixed for some confusing reason)
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1597[12:42:08] <BCMM> hexnewbie: have you tried the suggested workaround? (at-spi)
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1599[12:42:15] <hexnewbie> BCMM: The workaround from the bug to kill at-spi2-registryd and at-spi-bus-launcher works, though. (I only now found the bug report now)
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1602[12:43:20] <hexnewbie> BCMM: Yeah. That works, I guess I'll dpkg-statoverride those to non-executable for now (apt-get removing the package seems to have too many side-effects for me)
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1624[12:53:28] <eugenmayer> cat <> /tmp/logpipe 1>&2 what does this mean, does stderr gets redirected to stdout?
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1659[13:14:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: back
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1661[13:15:27] <vlt> eugenmayer: To me "1>&2" looks like redirecting stdout to stderr.
1662[13:15:49] <asterismo_l> vlt, i could not recover the raid from any of the new disks, i had to recover it from the sane old remaining disk (the 500gb one)
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1665[13:16:22] <asterismo_l> vlt, inside the crypto partition of 1tb nothing appeared
1666[13:16:39] <asterismo_l> like there was no data, an empty partition
1667[13:16:50] <vlt> asterismo_l: After you did what?
1668[13:17:48] <asterismo_l> after i managed to boot to a live cd using the raid member (the one i did not unplug running)
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1680[13:24:39] <Devastator> good morning, I'm trying to find php-xml-parser for stretch, how can I search what replaced it?
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1690[13:32:40] <vlt> asterismo_l: The one you didn't unplug was the one you had marked as failed and then removed earlier?
1691[13:32:43] <Zathras> Devastator, replaced-url
1692[13:33:15] <asterismo_l> vlt, yes
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1694[13:33:29] <asterismo_l> so that drive was ok
1695[13:34:11] <Devastator> Zathras great, the package was removed :(
1696[13:34:19] <vlt> asterismo_l: And when you tried to --assemble or --run this, what happened?
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1698[13:36:55] <Devastator> what are my options to port php-xml-parser to stretch then?
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1705[13:40:02] <Zathras> Devastator, ask the php-pear team why it was removed. And/Or check the package snapshot archive. Or PEAR import it. Or package it yourself. Or look for an alternative
1706[13:40:19] <asterismo_l> vlt, it detected both raid partitions, and the cryptoluks
1707[13:40:27] <Devastator> Zathras thank you
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1709[13:40:42] <asterismo_l> i was able to unlock the cryptoluks but nothing was inside
1710[13:40:46] <Zathras> PEAR import sucks imho: yet another Eco system to maintain
1711[13:41:10] <vlt> asterismo_l: "Both partitions" is on disk layer while "cryptoluks" is on top of md.
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1713[13:41:40] <vlt> asterismo_l: Did the raid devices run? (in degraded state)
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1715[13:41:46] <Zathras> then again: that way it might be maintained. The other options make you wonder
1716[13:41:48] <Devastator> Zathras I'm at a point I don't know if I should ask something in ##php or not
1717[13:41:50] <asterismo_l> in live cd, raid disk was detected
1718[13:42:01] <asterismo_l> boot on md/1
1719[13:42:08] <asterismo_l> and md/2
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1721[13:42:20] <asterismo_l> the cryptoluks
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1723[13:42:27] <Devastator> Zathras google isn't much helpful regarding a package for xml_parser2, which replaced xml_parser
1724[13:42:28] <Zathras> channel ##php is about php not packaging. So the answer will be PHP PEAR import
1725[13:42:34] <vlt> asterismo_l: boot on md1 was ok? What did `blkid` tell you about /dev/mapper/md2_crypt?
1726[13:42:48] <asterismo_l> after unlocking that, nothing appeared
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1728[13:43:32] <asterismo_l> i was unable to see any more partitions in /dev/mapper/md2_crypt
1729[13:43:49] <asterismo_l> which had other name under the live cd
1730[13:44:33] <asterismo_l> i was expecting a swap and a 500gb / partition, since the fill off to 1 tb was not complete
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1732[13:44:58] <Zathras> Devastator, last version is of 2014. You do not want to develop based on that
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1734[13:45:05] <Zathras> Devastator, last version is of 2014. You do not want to develop based on that
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1740[13:47:20] <giaco> hello
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1744[13:49:05] <giaco> how can I install a i386 package from apt on a x64 debian while preventing apt from installing every following packages in both architectures?
1745[13:50:31] <vlt> asterismo_l: There are no partitions on md2_crypt!
1746[13:50:49] <vlt> asterismo_l: And WHA did it have a different name?
1747[13:51:18] <vlt> asterismo_l: I'd prefer if you could give a bit more detail if what you did exactly after (screwing up) :-D
1748[13:51:23] <vlt> *WHY
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1750[13:51:34] <vlt> *of
1751[13:51:36] <vlt> damnit
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1753[13:52:14] <vlt> asterismo_l: md2_crypt is a physical source volume (PV) for LVM.
1754[13:53:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: Or at least should be.
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1760[13:58:38] <dob1> hi, how can I list with iptables all the chains?
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1762[13:59:04] <dob1> iptables -L gives me the input, forward and output one but if there are others?
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1768[14:02:08] <asterismo_l> vlt, i couldn't wait to restore it at least the way it was before, i'm traveling tomorrow and be back on sunday, and i didn't want to have the server down that long
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1770[14:02:27] <asterismo_l> i may try again everything we did
1771[14:02:34] <asterismo_l> and didn't finish
1772[14:02:46] <asterismo_l> i learned a lot
1773[14:02:55] <asterismo_l> and still have to
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1799[14:11:35] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, did you manage to install drub successfully and then boot? Does the server run like it should now?
1800[14:12:17] <asterismo_l> it runs like the old config, but in the new disks
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1803[14:13:15] <asterismo_l> i had to plug a screen to it, and i did it from other power plug, not the power backup
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1805[14:13:54] <asterismo_l> and it caused a couple of system hangs and freezes, possibly due to different grounding
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1809[14:14:33] <asterismo_l> and the disk had to fsck a couple of times before i was able to resync with the new drives
1810[14:14:51] <asterismo_l> i hope no data got corrupted
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1940[15:38:06] <mahafyi> Hello, I want o be rid of the 'Switch User' option in Gnome. I grepped for the term and made change in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.desktop.lockdown.gschema.xml but it did not do anything
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1942[15:39:20] <alkisg> After changing the schemas you need to run glib-compile-schemas
1943[15:39:38] <alkisg> Also it's better to add an override instead of changing the shipped file
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2060[16:40:44] <mahafyi> alkisg, thank you. i have found the way with dconf, thanks to folks at #gnome
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2077[16:49:36] <CrystalMath> hi
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2079[16:49:47] <CrystalMath> ever since the latest sid update, there seems to be some kind of problem with pam_systemd
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2083[16:52:10] <hypercore> what can i do with debian?
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2085[16:52:48] <greycat> same thing you do with any other operating system
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2088[16:54:07] <annadane> !debian-next
2089[16:54:07] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2090[16:54:09] <annadane> CrystalMath, ^
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2099[16:56:53] <gluon> which mailing list should i subscribe to know when gnome 3.28 is available in debian unstable?
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2103[16:57:44] <apollo13> gluon: replaced-url
2104[16:57:57] <apollo13> as for mailing list, dunno if they announce it at all
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2106[16:58:04] <gluon> apollo13: thanks, that'll do
2107[16:58:10] <jhutchins_wk> !mailing list
2108[16:58:10] <dpkg> Mailing lists allow large numbers of people to share knowledge and experiences, these communications are also persistent. See replaced-url
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2111[16:58:50] <jhutchins_wk> I'm pretty sure there's a package release mailing list.
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2116[17:00:07] <Irulan> Hello. Something deletes files from my computer, can anyone help me find out what ?
2117[17:00:19] <gluon> jhutchins_wk: i think only for stable, not unstable
2118[17:00:24] <Irulan> it's a VM running jessie on XenServer
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2124[17:01:05] <Irulan> /var/replaced-url
2125[17:01:05] <Irulan> Thu Mar 15 17:00:40 CET 2018
2126[17:01:05] <Irulan> 27382
2127[17:01:05] <Irulan> Thu Mar 15 17:00:50 CET 2018
2128[17:01:05] <Irulan> 27335
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2133[17:01:44] <Irulan> something like 5 files per second are removed
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2143[17:03:37] <hypercore> greycat: insufficient
2144[17:03:38] <jhutchins_wk> Irulan: What files are being removed? From where? What is your hardware configuration (drives, etc)? Which release are you running? What software is running?
2145[17:04:11] <mahafyi> i ran man dconf , it says SEE ALSO dconf(7) , is there man page for dconf(7) , i am unable to do man dconf(7)
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2147[17:04:32] <HKitain> man 7 dconf
2148[17:04:48] <Irulan> files from /var/replaced-url
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2150[17:05:01] <CrystalMath> does anyone else have libpam problems?
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2152[17:05:09] <greycat> I doubt anyone in #debian will know what is removing files in your local web directory.
2153[17:05:23] <Irulan> Machine is a VM running on XenServer (on SSD drives)
2154[17:05:25] <greycat> CrystalMath: no, we mostly run stable here. Try #debian-next on OFTC.
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2156[17:05:35] <CrystalMath> greycat: oh... oops, yeah
2157[17:05:37] <CrystalMath> sorry
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2159[17:06:03] <Irulan> apache and mysql running, with standard tools (sshd ...)
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2161[17:06:28] <HKitain> replaced-url
2162[17:06:29] <mahafyi> HKitain , thanks
2163[17:06:42] <BCMM> Irulan: replaced-url
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2169[17:10:22] <jhutchins_wk> Irulan: There is nothing inherently "Debian" that would do that, and too many variables for us to be of much help. I would look for magento support to start troubleshooting it.
2170[17:10:37] <jhutchins_wk> Irulan: Most likely it's a process within the CMS.
2171[17:10:47] <greycat> Could be log rotation or something similar.
2172[17:10:53] <greycat> All we can do is guess.
2173[17:10:54] <Simonious_> E: Unable to locate package php-bcmath <- I believe I need this, is there a way to ge tthis?
2174[17:11:08] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php-bcmath
2175[17:11:09] <judd> Package: php-bcmath on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60
2176[17:11:31] <Irulan> probably not magento related ; web server deosn't serve on the internet, and magento is broken due to many files missing
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2179[17:11:39] <Irulan> but files keeps vanishing
2180[17:11:44] <Simonious_> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.10 (jessie)
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2182[17:12:12] <Simonious_> jhutchins_wk: I don't understand your answer, is that a yes? was that instructions?
2183[17:12:16] <greycat> jessie doesn't have that package
2184[17:12:25] <Simonious_> but stretch does?
2185[17:12:31] <greycat> you need to upgrade to stretch to get it, or find a backport, or create a backport, or compile upstream
2186[17:12:44] <Simonious_> ok, I'll explore that, thanks
2187[17:13:00] <jhutchins_wk> Irulan: You can look in the logs - syslog, dmesg. If files really are spontaneously vanishing it could be a hardware problem.
2188[17:13:18] <greycat> Does not sound like a hardware problem to me.
2189[17:13:29] <greycat> Files being *corrupted*, now that could be HW.
2190[17:13:31] <Irulan> there's nothing in dmesg. I've stopped all non-essential units
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2198[17:16:55] <Irulan> well, I found it was /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server that gone mad
2199[17:17:30] <Irulan> even after a reboot : sshfs restored connection and destruction :/
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2203[17:18:47] <greycat> you could set up an inotifywait on that directory to see what's being removed, but I don't think it shows you WHO is removing it
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2205[17:19:42] <greycat> once you know the subdirectory involved, you could *consider* removing write permission from it, but that would also prevent creation/renaming which could break the app
2206[17:20:07] <Irulan> I tried auditd but got mostly git/ls entries
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2255[17:51:00] <HKitain> i need help getting a very barebones system to work
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2258[17:51:57] <greycat> what part isn't working?
2259[17:52:17] <HKitain> i don't have ifupdown or iproute2, or basically anything that isn't marked essential (thanks, multistrap) and i need to connect to the internet via dhcp
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2262[17:53:23] <HKitain> is there a way to connect without those?
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2264[17:53:39] <greycat> You didn't install Debian. Try installing Debian.
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2268[17:54:43] <HKitain> is there a list of packages that are considered "installing debian"?
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2270[17:55:15] <greycat> *plonk*
2271[17:55:30] <greycat> !deboostrap
2272[17:55:33] <greycat> !debootstrap
2273[17:55:34] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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2279[17:58:06] <HKitain> that's nice, i've read that page. I'm a little surprised that multistrap doesn't consider e.g. ifupdown an essential package
2280[17:58:24] <bites> if ifupdown isn't there systemd-networkd might be an option.
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2284[17:59:22] <HKitain> systemd...is not installed either. brilliant. so that's why my login's been all screwy.
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2287[17:59:53] <bites> oh, right, that's only priority important too. well, sucks.
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2292[18:00:59] <HKitain> can i ask it to just install every important package there is?
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2311[18:07:21] <johnfg> Brand new install of stretch, with cinnamon as my DE.
2312[18:08:08] <johnfg> cinnamon is running in software rendering mode. It didn't do that with mint, nor with gentoo, even on the same machine.
2313[18:08:25] <johnfg> How do I have it run in hardware acceleration mode?
2314[18:08:42] <greycat> Install firmware? Install nonfree drivers if it's not an integrated chipset?
2315[18:08:58] <greycat> Start by identifying the chipset: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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2317[18:09:10] <johnfg> greycat, It's radeon, and ok, I'll run that cmd...
2318[18:09:44] <greycat> you will probably want to install firmware-amd-graphics which I believe is nonfree
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2321[18:10:45] <johnfg> greycat, I've been running debian (my main server) for years, but haven't had to do this in a while, with firmware. So the firmware-amd-graphics is the pkg, yes?
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2323[18:10:56] <greycat> Depends on the chipset.
2324[18:11:23] <johnfg> replaced-url
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2326[18:11:58] <greycat> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV515 [Radeon X1300/X1550] [1002:7146]
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2328[18:12:06] <BCMM> johnfg: there's also firmware-linux, which will get you basically all of the firmware
2329[18:12:21] <greycat> ,pciid 1002:7146
2330[18:12:22] <judd> [1002:7146] is 'RV515 [Radeon X1300/X1550]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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2336[18:13:03] <greycat> sounds promising, with the amd firmware installed. you'll need to reboot after installing the firmware.
2337[18:13:03] <BCMM> actually that's not true; a bunch of NIC chipsets aren't on that metapackage
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2340[18:13:54] <johnfg> So which would be better? The firmware-amd-graphics or linux-firmware?
2341[18:14:12] <BCMM> johnfg: linux-firmware pulls in firmware-amd-graphics
2342[18:14:30] <johnfg> k, I'll do that then. Thanks folks!
2343[18:14:30] <BCMM> firmware-linux, rather
2344[18:14:56] <BCMM> johnfg: you know you need non-free enabled right?
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2347[18:15:11] <Qas> hello
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2352[18:18:24] <Qas> for a long while now I'm getting errors in updating debian. as seen from output, it is because of the PPAs that I manually installed, which are stated as "x doesn't have a Release file"..and in sources.list file I see stretch updates commented out with the line saying "Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:"
2353[18:18:37] <Qas> can I fix this?
2354[18:18:42] <greycat> !ppa
2355[18:18:42] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
2356[18:19:09] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2357[18:19:09] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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2359[18:20:29] <johnfg> BCMM, greycat: there are these 3 pkgs: firmware-linux; firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree.
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2364[18:21:29] <johnfg> The last is a meta-package. Is that what I should install?
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2367[18:22:02] <greycat> ,depends firmware-linux
2368[18:22:03] <judd> Package firmware-linux in stretch/amd64 -- depends: firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree (= 20161130-3).
2369[18:22:27] <greycat> If you install firmware-linux you'll get everything, and whatever you don't need will just sit there and not be used.
2370[18:22:45] <johnfg> So that sounds like what to do.
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2372[18:23:39] <johnfg> brb. going to reboot.
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2375[18:23:42] <Qas> I uncommented the updates main lines, but again a pile of errors came up
2376[18:23:47] <rc202402> hi
2377[18:23:50] <mahafyi> For local users in a particular group, I am able to allow passwd command. Is it possible to allow all PAM users (integrated via miscrosoft active directory) to also have the right to issue passwd?
2378[18:24:04] <greycat> remove (or rename, or move) all your PPA sources out of the way
2379[18:24:14] <Qas> I need them
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2381[18:24:17] <dob1> ,v notmuch
2382[18:24:17] <greycat> ...
2383[18:24:18] <judd> Package: notmuch on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.13.2-1; wheezy-backports: 0.18.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.18.2-1; jessie-backports: 0.23.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.23.7-3; stretch-backports: 0.26-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.26-1+b2; sid: 0.26-1+b2
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2386[18:25:11] <Qas> my current problem is that I installed node.js and it is still telling me I need to install it
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2388[18:27:14] <Qas> interestingly, it is also showing the url of the node.js site, even though it is in debian repos
2389[18:27:28] <greycat> "it"
2390[18:27:29] <mahafyi> scratch that - it works out of the box , lol
2391[18:27:56] <Qas> yes what is it?
2392[18:28:13] <greycat> You used the word "it" twice in that last sentence, and NEITHER one was clearly defined.
2393[18:28:24] <Qas> it=the terminal
2394[18:28:38] <Qas> the command line
2395[18:28:40] <greycat> your terminal just writes random messages all by itself? without you typing a command?
2396[18:29:05] <Qas> I already wrote the problem
2397[18:29:11] <greycat> !bat
2398[18:29:11] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2401[18:30:18] <greycat> At no time did you say what command you ran that caused an error, nor did you clearly show the error. All you said was that some kind of url was shown.
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2403[18:30:36] <Qas> I said it asked me to install nodejs
2404[18:30:43] <greycat> "it" again!!!~
2405[18:30:47] <Qas> yes
2406[18:30:58] <blaztek> What asked you?
2407[18:31:01] <greycat> *plonk*. unhelpable.
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2410[18:31:32] <Qas> *plonk* unhealable
2411[18:31:35] <johnfg> Ok, all's good with video, afaik.
2412[18:31:48] <johnfg> I don't have sound though.
2413[18:31:54] <greycat> I need to believe that somewhere in the world there is an intelligent user of node.js but this is entirely a faith-based assessment. There has never been a single bit of evidence to support it in my entire lifespan on IRC.
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2416[18:32:26] <greycat> johnfg: make sure audio output channels have been un-muted, and volume raised above 0
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2418[18:32:48] <Qas> ok. I am sure any other debian guy/girl here has much higher comprehensive skills. damn sure.
2419[18:33:39] <Qas> so expecting their help in clarifying why the terminal is asking me to install a package that is already installed
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2421[18:35:04] <blaztek> Qas: what did you type in the Terminal to get it to say that?
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2424[18:36:06] <johnfg> greycat: Yup, that took care of it.
2425[18:36:41] <Qas> blaztek, I followed the guide here to install node.js; replaced-url
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2428[18:37:19] <petn-randall> Qas: Can you provide all the information from the !bat factoid in a single paste?
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2433[18:38:35] <HKitain> ...okay, update on my minimal system: i rebuilt the minimal rootfs via multistrap. It tries to bring up "serial getty on /dev/ttyS0", unsuccessfully, and then shuts off from user input.
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2435[18:39:03] <annadane> nodejs isn't even in stable, i think
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2442[18:39:48] <HKitain> ttyS0 seems to work, since that's how I'm getting boot progress messages. What am I doing wrong?
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2448[18:40:37] <Qas> blaztek, I typed in "run.sh", a script in the program that required node.js
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2509[18:58:38] <Qas> petn-randall, I guess there is a shorter solution to my problem than to paste all that. that's why I haven't responded. I was busy checking other sources.
2510[18:59:19] <petn-randall> Qas: That's the *only* way we'd be able to help. Anything else would require wild guess work.
2511[18:59:46] <petn-randall> Also, my crystal ball is in the shops for repairs, so normal logs will have to do.
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2518[19:01:51] <LtL> annadane: nodejs is in stable
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2524[19:03:15] <annadane> yeah i'm thinking of npm
2525[19:03:19] <annadane> ,v npm
2526[19:03:20] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
2527[19:03:36] <greycat> hilarious.
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2529[19:03:41] <LtL> ,v nodejs
2530[19:03:43] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; buster: 8.9.3~dfsg-12; sid: 8.9.3~dfsg-12
2531[19:03:54] <annadane> any predications on when your crystal ball gets fixed?
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2533[19:04:31] <LtL> annadane: waiting for parts from Beijing
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2537[19:05:27] <LtL> annadane: that was a proxy response :)
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2573[19:20:00] <arcmass> does anyone here offer help deciphering the changes that aptitude proposes?
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2575[19:20:24] <annadane> arcmass, yep
2576[19:20:40] <kion> If I did not choose to encrypt the whole disk while installing Debian, is it possible to do it afterwards?
2577[19:20:41] <annadane> paste.debian.net to paste your output
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2583[19:21:55] <arcmass> thanks! so i'm trying to install libgtk2.0-dev, and apt is giving me issues (held broken packages), so i found aptitude, and switched to it. but now i'm a little worried it's going to uninstall important packages. paste incoming...
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2589[19:22:59] <arcmass> replaced-url
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2591[19:23:29] <arcmass> i'm just not sure if uninstalling libxcomposite-dev is ok. i figured that must be a pretty important package.
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2593[19:24:13] <arcmass> i don't think i even use libharfbuzz (native english user and i don't use non-latin character set languages), but i suppose i was worried about that too
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2595[19:24:53] <annadane> arcmass, is this debian stretch?
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2601[19:25:57] <annadane> i'd probably first of all start by pasting the output of apt-cache policy
2602[19:26:12] <arcmass> no, i'm on linux mint 18.1, so jessie
2603[19:26:23] <arcmass> ok, will do
2604[19:26:24] <kopper> arcmass: apt show libxcomposite-dev
2605[19:26:28] <Qas> annadane, you've been right. npm is missing and I cant install it
2606[19:26:32] <annadane> arcmass, then ask mint
2607[19:26:40] <annadane> !mint
2608[19:26:40] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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2610[19:27:03] <arcmass> oh ok, thanks.
2611[19:27:28] <Qas> how can I install npm? apparently it is not available for stretch?
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2614[19:28:10] <annadane> one of the issues with npm is that it's very large
2615[19:28:16] <Tenkawa> shows up in my apt
2616[19:28:16] <Qas> it is strange, though. nodejs install worked after purge-reinstall. but still npm is lacking
2617[19:28:30] <annadane> and i have no idea how you get it into stable, i think i've seen some solutions proposed on occasion
2618[19:28:31] <Qas> and nodejs says npm is bundled with it
2619[19:28:35] <Tenkawa> Qas: you sure you ran apt-get update?
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2622[19:29:25] <annadane> and Qas before we go down that route why don't you paste your output from what you were discussing earlier
2623[19:29:36] <annadane> there may be other solutions
2624[19:29:42] <Qas> Tenkawa, yes
2625[19:29:44] <Tenkawa> Package: npm
2626[19:29:44] <Tenkawa> Version: 1.4.21+ds-2
2627[19:29:44] <Tenkawa> Installed-Size: 1870
2628[19:29:50] <annadane> ,v npm
2629[19:29:51] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
2630[19:30:08] <annadane> so you're either on jessie or sid, Tenkawa
2631[19:30:22] <Tenkawa> touche
2632[19:30:26] <Tenkawa> I'm in unstable
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2635[19:30:29] <Tenkawa> I dev
2636[19:30:32] <annadane> well, #debian is for stable
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2638[19:30:36] <jhutchins_wk> !ssb
2639[19:30:36] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2640[19:30:39] <annadane> (or oldstable)
2641[19:30:43] <jhutchins_wk> Qas: That's how.
2642[19:30:51] <annadane> even with npm?
2643[19:30:57] <Tenkawa> didnt catch stretch reference
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2645[19:32:00] <Qas> goodness
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2647[19:32:28] <Qas> I will follow the steps, jhutchins_wk, thank you
2648[19:32:29] <annadane> but okay, i guess you can also try that
2649[19:32:48] <Tenkawa> vegenaise: nice nick
2650[19:33:01] <annadane> but i suspect npm is also a bit niche and it's less likely to work that way
2651[19:33:02] <vegenaise> thanks Tenkawa :)
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2655[19:34:09] <vegenaise> would an old system be better supported by a newer kernal. still on jessie but was randomly thinking of upgrading, but didn't know if it would be faster/more secure/better, whatever
2656[19:34:23] <vegenaise> an improvement
2657[19:34:31] <Tenkawa> "how old
2658[19:34:32] <Tenkawa> "
2659[19:34:34] <Tenkawa> heheh
2660[19:34:45] <Tenkawa> I think thats one of the operative q's
2661[19:34:55] <annadane> well, unless you have a good reason for keeping jessie it's generally suggested to go to stretch
2662[19:34:55] <vegenaise> 2011, sandybridge i7 dualcore
2663[19:35:17] <annadane> official support for it will basically end in june 2018 and then LTS takes over
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2665[19:36:08] <petn-randall> vegenaise: A newer kernel only makes sense if you're missing a specific feature or device support. Otherwise I'd stick with the default kernel that also gets great security/bugfix support.
2666[19:36:17] <vegenaise> i am just a noob with linux, so i am worried about trying dist-upgrade or whatever i would need to do to go to 9, while keeping my system and it's setup otherwise exactly the same
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2669[19:37:08] <annadane> if you do decide to do that, check out the release notes, it contains helpful information: replaced-url
2670[19:37:09] <vegenaise> that's what i was thinking petn-randall, but i don't know enough about this to know if im way off in that thinking or not
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2672[19:37:19] <annadane> but sure, jessie is still supported
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2677[19:38:34] <petn-randall> vegenaise: Personally, make backups, and do the upgrade to stretch after reading the release notes. It's been out for quite a while now, and any upgrade-related bugs will have been fixed by now.
2678[19:38:47] <vegenaise> so it says new packages in the release notes, does that mean that more apps would be available out of apt-get repository, or the installed system will have more installed?
2679[19:39:09] <petn-randall> (I upgraded sometime before stretch was released, but already frozen, and it worked without problems)
2680[19:39:09] <annadane> certainly "yes" to the former
2681[19:39:18] <annadane> as to the latter, unsure
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2684[19:39:56] <Qas> annadane, jhutchins_wk, the npm install here seems to have worked; replaced-url
2685[19:39:57] <petn-randall> vegenaise: The amount of packages installed will stay roughly the same.
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2687[19:40:16] <annadane> oh god.
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2689[19:40:30] <vegenaise> yea, i need to teach myself how to use clonezilla
2690[19:40:36] <annadane> !don't break debian
2691[19:40:36] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is replaced-url
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2693[19:41:02] <annadane> included in that is do not install things randomly from github/the internet in general
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2699[19:42:24] <vegenaise> seems like some good improvements
2700[19:42:35] <vegenaise> think im might give it a go
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2708[19:44:20] <Qas> but doesn't the referred install also use debian repos, annadane?
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2710[19:45:17] <annadane> the page in question lists wheezy backports
2711[19:45:23] <annadane> which is... not stretch backports
2712[19:45:40] <dka> I am looking for an android emulator that can be easely installed on Debian
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2742[19:57:08] <Qas> annadane, I purged the package and removed the wheezy entry from sources. is everything undone with that?
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2744[19:57:39] <annadane> from memory the link said to curl foo | bash, i'd have to check it again
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2746[19:58:04] <Qas> right, the last line
2747[19:58:30] <annadane> that's beyond my area of knowledge, sorry
2748[19:58:46] <annadane> in future, please be cautious before trying untested things and rushing solutions
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2750[19:59:18] <Qas> sure
2751[19:59:22] <Qas> thank yo
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2753[19:59:23] <Qas> u
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2761[20:01:17] <Qas> I will go about the steps above
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2767[20:02:48] <Qas> !bdo
2768[20:02:48] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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2770[20:03:05] <Qas> !deb-src sid
2771[20:03:05] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
2772[20:03:56] <annadane> as jhutchins described you can try to !ssb it... i'd at least get rid of the new packages you installed by following the github instructions
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2774[20:04:13] <annadane> and then deal with any future breakage by asking us first
2775[20:04:37] <Qas> !ssb
2776[20:04:37] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2777[20:05:02] <annadane> check your /var/log/apt/history.log and remove those packages and then see if simple sid backport (ssb) works or not
2778[20:05:06] <annadane> it may not, anyway
2779[20:05:51] <Qas> annadane, sure, I will ask you
2780[20:06:09] <Qas> should I check logs before getting started with ssb?
2781[20:06:26] <Qas> and remove packages, I mean
2782[20:06:34] <annadane> yes because those packages can cause breakage
2783[20:06:39] <Qas> right
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2785[20:07:23] <annadane> less /var/log/apt/history.log and scroll down to the bottom, it'd be one of your more recent entries
2786[20:08:03] <Qas> yes, very easy to spot as they are listed by date. there seems only this last 'nodejs-legacy' thingy that I just purged anyway
2787[20:08:07] <annadane> if it installed any packages at all; i'm not sure if wheezy-backports is even still running
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2789[20:08:29] <Qas> yes, the install and purge are shown
2790[20:08:40] <Qas> so it's clean?
2791[20:08:42] <zzla> Hypothetical question: ..if a company has provided an individual with a laptop to use for work purposes, and the individual uses this computer for non-work purposes duign off-hours by way of a "live" distro on a flash drive or such..
2792[20:08:47] <annadane> i _think_ so
2793[20:08:58] <zzla> would said company have a way to know of such use?
2794[20:08:59] <Qas> nice
2795[20:09:55] <hypn0> do live cds leave any trace zzla of use you mean
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2797[20:10:16] <zzla> that's a good question
2798[20:10:17] <zzla> do they?
2799[20:10:57] <hypn0> I don't think so, they run from ram?
2800[20:11:28] <hypn0> when you turn computer off, ram gets reset?
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2802[20:11:37] <Qas> in the 'deb-src sid' line added to sources list, there is no reference to stretch. is that so?
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2804[20:11:55] <zzla> might anyone else chime in as well?
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2813[20:13:46] <annadane> Qas, because you're getting the source files from sid
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2815[20:14:19] <annadane> be sure that it's deb-src and *not* deb
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2818[20:14:51] <zzla> that article just mentions a few distros
2819[20:14:57] <jimm> Qas, what that allows is for you to obtain debianized source code files, which allow you to build debian packages
2820[20:14:57] <Qas> ah, right, yes, I added with src, annadane
2821[20:15:42] <hypn0> doesn't it anwser your question zzla
2822[20:15:48] <Qas> just, while I'm at it, is aptitude identical with apt?
2823[20:15:54] <jimm> hypn0, ram loses power (generally)
2824[20:16:29] <jimm> identical in what way? Qas
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2826[20:17:33] <Qas> jimm, ah, thank you for the info about src..aptitude as in 'sudo aptitude..' and apt as in 'sudo apt'
2827[20:18:25] <sIRwa2> oke, this one is really hard too google: does debian do a shell log? like vm ware? a log of everything i type over ssh and so?
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2829[20:18:55] <sIRwa2> could one enable something like this?
2830[20:19:06] <jimm> oh, you mean its parameter syntax, and I know stuff has been added
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2832[20:19:24] <greycat> sIRwa2: Not debian specifically, no. Your shell probably logs to ~/.bash_history or whatever, as part of its natural operations.
2833[20:19:48] <jimm> long ago there was something called ttysnoop
2834[20:20:02] <annadane> for the ssb factoid either apt or aptitude are probably fine
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2836[20:20:12] <annadane> i'd have to look at it but...
2837[20:20:19] <annadane> !tell annadane about ssb
2838[20:20:42] <jimm> annadane, it was originally designed for apt-get
2839[20:20:45] <annadane> yeah, looks like either suffices
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2841[20:20:56] <annadane> just follow the factoid though :P
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2844[20:21:33] <jimm> and ask if you have questions at any point
2845[20:22:36] <sIRwa2> tnx greycat , im learning something here...
2846[20:22:54] <sIRwa2> interesting
2847[20:23:16] <greycat> Are you asking how to avoid such logging, or how to inflict such logging upon your users?
2848[20:23:30] <Qas> thank you jimm, it is all going forwards right now
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2850[20:23:45] <Qas> npm is being nicely installed
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2852[20:24:44] <annadane> well, okay, so i was wrong about npm being uninstallable
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2854[20:24:50] <annadane> good to know
2855[20:24:59] <jimm> if you get curious... start by getting the source for the hello package, and read every file (it's not that long)
2856[20:25:00] <sIRwa2> actually, i was hoping to find an error output from zfs from yesterday.. greycat
2857[20:25:19] <greycat> Ah, errors written to a terminal are probably not logged anywhere.
2858[20:25:51] <sIRwa2> but i guess this is as good as it gets,, i nver new about history, and i needed it so often :)
2859[20:25:53] <greycat> If zfs was executing a script, and the script was not run on a terminal, then it might be in ~/.xsession-errors or other places.
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2861[20:25:59] <Qas> long install indeed, lines and lines
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2863[20:26:28] <greycat> ... shit, I misread that as zsh.
2864[20:26:34] <greycat> I don't know anything about zfs.
2865[20:26:59] <sIRwa2> yhea... nope, it was a status output..
2866[20:27:07] <sIRwa2> nvm, tnx for this!
2867[20:27:11] <greycat> If it's part of a system-level daemon/service, then you might find logged output/errors in journalctl.
2868[20:27:20] <Tenkawa> I use to know zfs
2869[20:27:25] <Tenkawa> but its been too long
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2871[20:27:31] <Tenkawa> I dont remember it anymore
2872[20:27:35] <sIRwa2> :)
2873[20:27:44] <Tenkawa> whats up
2874[20:27:48] <sIRwa2> you sound old Tenkawa
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2876[20:27:53] <Tenkawa> maybe i'll remember something
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2878[20:27:58] * Tenkawa is
2879[20:28:10] <sIRwa2> im fine on the zfs side of things :) tnx
2880[20:28:18] <Tenkawa> I started in the ncr/at&t svr4 days
2881[20:28:29] <greycat> Is there a systemd service associated with zfs? Like zfs.service or something?
2882[20:28:43] <Qas> in the output of the command ' apt-get -b source npm', I got this note; replaced-url
2883[20:28:47] <Qas> at the end
2884[20:29:04] <Tenkawa> at ncr ironicly enough
2885[20:29:19] <sIRwa2> zpool status -v mypool is what i use
2886[20:29:35] <Qas> is it anything that requires action?
2887[20:29:51] <mason> greycat: Yeah, there are a bunch of services shipped.
2888[20:30:09] <greycat> then he might find the logs in journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=zfs.service
2889[20:30:22] <greycat> and god DAMN that thing needs a friendlier user interface...
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2891[20:30:28] <mason> zfs-mount.service zfs-share.service zfs-import-cache.service zfs.target
2892[20:30:56] <annadane> !tell annadane about ssb
2893[20:31:11] <Qas> jimm, in the output of the command ' apt-get -b source npm', I got this note; replaced-url
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2896[20:31:55] <jimm> maybe, let me see
2897[20:32:01] <Qas> sure
2898[20:32:04] <greycat> Ah, "journalctl -u servicename" also works -- they didn't bother to put that in the EXAMPLES section though. What the living FUCK.
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2902[20:32:32] <jimm> that paste wasn't found
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2904[20:32:45] <sIRwa2> lol.. hold on,.. didnt want to start something here
2905[20:33:15] <mason> greycat: systemd doesn't need examples - it knows what to do.
2906[20:33:45] <sIRwa2> lol.. oke tnx guys.. im fine
2907[20:33:46] <annadane> "new to debian, how can i help?" "you can help us write the systemd documenta-" *runs away screaming*
2908[20:34:29] <Qas> jimm, interesting, I can view it
2909[20:34:50] <Qas> ok, trying again
2910[20:34:58] <jimm> greycat, I know you already know this... but to be instructive to newer folks... get it changed in debian (file a bug detailing what you want), then kick it upstream
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2912[20:35:19] <mason> jimm: I think we're all just waiting it out.
2913[20:35:20] <annadane> if it didn't work the first time...
2914[20:35:20] <jimm> I know why
2915[20:35:34] <annadane> maybe wait until you understand why it's not working first
2916[20:35:35] <Qas> me too. but it never was a problem before
2917[20:35:45] <Qas> replaced-url
2918[20:35:49] <Qas> jimm^
2919[20:35:51] <annadane> oh, paste. sorry
2920[20:36:06] <jimm> mason, you'd have to decide if waiting is a good service to debian users (especially new ones)
2921[20:36:39] <greycat> jimm: It has been my experience that getting documentation patches accepted is HARD as hell, no matter what, but is almost always more likely to work if you go directly upstream, not via Debian. Debian maintainers rarely want their docs to deviate from upstream.
2922[20:37:11] <mason> jimm: I'll back out of the conversation. I honestly don't have a ton of productive stuff to add. The confluence of events summer of 2015 drove me away and I'm just starting to come back. :P
2923[20:37:25] <jimm> greycat, you mean upstream?
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2926[20:38:14] <Qas> annadane, the last step of ssb says 'install the resultant debs'..where do I see these?
2927[20:38:20] <mason> greycat: FWIW, I've had little issue with doc patches being accepted, although it's been more on the RHEL side than Fedora, which is presumably the authoritative upstream for this stuff.
2928[20:38:29] <jimm> mason, I kinda don't either, but I do have a strategy to suggest
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2931[20:38:48] <annadane> i don't know because i've never done an ssb
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2933[20:39:15] <jimm> annadane, it's usually super easy
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2935[20:39:23] <bites> in the directory you ran the build in
2936[20:39:44] <greycat> annadane: jimm: it's usually super-easy except when it's impossible.
2937[20:39:50] <annadane> i go straight to the source and use sid :P
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2940[20:40:10] <annadane> source pun not intended
2941[20:40:44] <jimm> yeah you don't want to install sid binary pkgs on (say) stable
2942[20:40:59] <greycat> or on testing, or on oldstable, ...
2943[20:40:59] <annadane> yeah so it'd be the .deb files you get via build-dep
2944[20:41:10] <annadane> apparently
2945[20:41:26] * annadane really needs to RTFM and LEARN how to do this stuff
2946[20:41:28] <jimm> right, that support the version of debian you're runing
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2948[20:42:27] <mason> This is somewhat off-topic, but is there a Raspian channel that's particularly useful/active?
2949[20:42:30] <annadane> shortcuts are bad.
2950[20:42:36] <annadane> !raspian
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2952[20:42:36] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2953[20:42:42] <mason> freenode, ty
2954[20:42:48] <annadane> not sure about useful/active but...
2955[20:43:18] <mason> two nicks, including me... =cough= I'll look at OFTC too.
2956[20:43:35] <mason> Nothing there. Ah, well.
2957[20:43:50] <annadane> hmm
2958[20:43:53] <mason> Oh, I spelled it wrong.
2959[20:43:54] <bites> you just can't type :P
2960[20:43:57] <annadane> ah
2961[20:43:57] <mason> yes
2962[20:43:59] <annadane> that'll do it
2963[20:44:14] <mason> ty again
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2965[20:46:20] <Qas> I installed only npm with build-dep, and it seems already installed before step 5.
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2967[20:46:56] <Qas> I mean I ran build-dep only with npm
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2970[20:47:57] <Qas> for about 2 hours I've been trying to install some software that requires node.js.
2971[20:48:41] <jimm> what (directly) requires node.js?
2972[20:48:44] <Tenkawa> mason: #raspberrypi on here is fairly busy
2973[20:48:56] <mason> Tenkawa: I'll join that too. Thank you.
2974[20:49:04] <Tenkawa> np..
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2976[20:50:19] <bites> oh, yeah, node in debian stable is terribly out of date. umstream provides a debian repository that works quite well.
2977[20:51:07] <Qas> one question, how can I make a manually installed package override the repo one? because I need the latest node.js, and installed it under /opt with symlink to run it from terminal, but the ancient version in the repo install overrides it and therefore I keep getting the error 'please install nodejs'
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2980[20:52:53] <Qas> at least that's what I think why I get this error
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2983[20:53:31] <bites> just remove the one from debian?
2984[20:53:57] <Qas> bites, it doesnt help. still the manually installed one doesnt get recognized
2985[20:54:11] <greycat> Removal is only done if it has release-critical bugs that cannot be fixed by patching.
2986[20:54:21] <greycat> Or a license conflict, etc.
2987[20:54:24] <bites> upstream has instructions for installing latest node on debian. just follow those.
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2989[20:54:50] <Qas> is this a factoid, too?
2990[20:54:55] <Qas> !upstream
2991[20:54:55] <dpkg> from memory, upstream is where Debian developers download software from. replaced-url
2992[20:54:56] <bites> they even provide packages
2993[20:55:52] <Qas> no, apparently not. upstream factoid tells about dev duties
2994[20:55:56] <annadane> i'm an idiot. i completely forgot about the npm repository
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2996[20:56:29] <annadane> using repositories is generally bad but with npm you can make an exception
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2999[20:57:12] <greycat> It comes down to the trustworthiness of the repository. Some of them have earned a reputation for quality, and the others... not so much.
3000[20:57:37] <Qas> would this remove the message 'please install the already installed node.js', annadane?
3001[20:57:47] <annadane> no idea
3002[20:57:48] <greycat> If lots of people have used the upstream npm repositories and have not reported problems, then they may be acceptable.
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3004[20:58:07] <annadane> trustworthiness yes but i always envision package conflicts/general breakage
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3006[20:58:23] <greycat> We expect that from PPAs.
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3008[20:58:31] <bites> i don't mean npm. upstream creates debain packages for nodejs.
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3010[20:58:40] <Qas> bites, where do I get these upstream instructions?
3011[20:58:42] <greycat> npm and nodejs aren't the same upstream?
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3013[20:58:47] <annadane> they're not, iirc
3014[20:58:51] <greycat> oy vey
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3016[20:58:56] <bites> yes, but i mean their debian repository.
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3018[20:59:19] <annadane> but okay, see, now we have someone who actually knows what they're talking about instead of hippie pot smokers with a 3rd grade education like me
3019[20:59:22] <annadane> now we're getting somewhere
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3021[21:01:21] <bites> replaced-url
3022[21:02:16] <bites> in the form of a script that checks which system you run and creates a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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3024[21:02:42] <greycat> Maybe some day there will be a reason for me to learn what nodejs and npm are other than "a reason to /ignore people who ask incredibly stupid questions about them in #bash"
3025[21:03:14] <annadane> solution: /ignore everybody
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3029[21:04:21] <greycat> So far, that has been working :)
3030[21:05:00] <hypn0> annadane: I'm sure you can get to the 4th grade soon :-)
3031[21:05:42] <bites> that meant to be a diss?
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3033[21:05:53] <Qas> annadane, I am left where I started. I have two nodejs versions getting an output telling me to install nodejs
3034[21:05:58] <Qas> what can I do now?
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3036[21:06:21] <Qas> ok, purged the repo one, so one version now
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3042[21:07:45] * annadane shrugs
3043[21:08:38] <Qas> all right. maybe I should try the mailing list.
3044[21:08:59] <annadane> well no, other people can answer it
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3046[21:09:10] <annadane> you're welcome to try if you want, of course...
3047[21:09:41] <annadane> you can't assume everyone is an expert, i'm sure as hell not
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3050[21:10:51] <Guest67932> Hi everybody
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3052[21:11:28] <annadane> i would be *helped* on my way to expert-dom if i took my advice sometime and rtfm...
3053[21:11:29] <Qas> sure, if anyone else can have more suggestions...no, not about expertise, but it seems the nearest options have been tried, and I kind of got stuck in it
3054[21:11:51] <bites> the instructions above didn't work for you?
3055[21:12:05] <Qas> bites, I asked which instructions you meant
3056[21:12:13] <Guest67932> I use Debian 7 on SD Card (so filesystem is read only) with Kernel 3.16.49. After electrial failure, My router boot and my runlevel is "unknown". Wht ? and How to correct this issue on boot?
3057[21:12:23] <Guest67932> Thanks in advance for your help
3058[21:12:25] <bites> Qas: the ones i've posted replaced-url
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3061[21:14:07] <Guest67932> Of course, I already search on Google but I didn't found solution....
3062[21:14:08] <Qas> bites, I used the same page for the installation, except that I didn't install the legacy package mentioned there (though I installed and removed it from a distant wheezy backport :)).
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3064[21:14:21] <Qas> I will try and see if it changes anything
3065[21:14:31] <bites> i thought you used some ppa earlier.
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3069[21:15:49] <Qas> no, not with nodejs
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3079[21:18:22] <greycat> if you're in X, you can use xmodmap
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3083[21:18:57] <greycat> use 'xev' and see what happens when you click/press/push it
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3089[21:21:12] <greycat> xmodmap says it can manipulate pointer events as well as keystrokes
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3092[21:22:58] <Qas> finally no more errors with node.js..though still showing error, I hope it got much simpler to solve now; replaced-url
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3094[21:23:40] <annadane> +x is just the execute falg
3095[21:23:42] <annadane> flag*
3096[21:23:58] <bites> would help to know what you are doing, i'm out of the loop.
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3100[21:28:31] <bites> the upstream nodejs package comes with npm btw.
3101[21:28:54] <greycat> ... so they ARE the same upstream after all...
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3104[21:29:17] <bites> yes, maybe, i don't know. ^^
3105[21:29:31] <annadane> i heard something somewhere from someone that they weren't the same upstream providers
3106[21:29:51] <annadane> but it would make sense it comes from the same soruce
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3113[21:34:38] <bites> they are closely related. the npm creator way nodejs project manager at some point. but they are two projects.
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3115[21:34:48] <bites> s/way/was/
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3135[21:48:45] <Qas> ok, I first ran the command as root and at the second run it worked as normal user
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3138[21:50:08] <Qas> again, with error, but unrelated to debian
3139[21:50:35] <Qas> annadena, jimm, bites, thank you all for your help!
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3147[21:53:19] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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3151[21:54:06] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, do you know a light weight distribution that has some image that I could run directly with qemu?
3152[21:54:23] <tobiasBora> I'd like to have it available for as many distribution as possible
3153[21:54:31] <tobiasBora> as many architecture*
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3155[21:54:38] <mason> tobiasBora: Maybe try Debian?
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3157[21:55:00] <tobiasBora> mason: I was affraid that debian may be a bit big
3158[21:55:10] <annadane> *really* lightweight? hmm
3159[21:55:11] <mason> tobiasBora: It can be quite small.
3160[21:55:18] <annadane> depends on your definition of big
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3162[21:55:37] <tobiasBora> mason: is it available for arm <= 6?
3163[21:55:54] <Mathisen> tobiasBora, arch
3164[21:56:07] <n4dir> antix and refacta come to mind, but i don't think they run on many architectures.
3165[21:56:20] <n4dir> that said: i would go for debian too.
3166[21:56:23] <mason> tobiasBora: replaced-url
3167[21:56:33] <tobiasBora> annadane: well a few MB is fine. The idea is that I would like to create a script that basically download qemu from the debian repo, download the good image, and then start qemu on this image.
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3169[21:57:16] <tobiasBora> ok so maybe I'll give a try to debian
3170[21:57:24] <mason> tobiasBora: Armv4t, Armv5t
3171[21:57:36] <mason> tobiasBora: see replaced-url
3172[21:57:37] <tobiasBora> do you know what kind of image I could use to start qemu from it?
3173[21:57:46] <n4dir> with refractasnapshot you could make a bootable iso of a debian-installation you configured to your liking (that is: make it as small as you want). There is live-helper or live-builder too. I don't think it works that well anymore though
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3177[21:59:01] <tobiasBora> I found stuff like that, but it's not really official, or small replaced-url
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3184[22:07:39] <tobiasBora> Or do you know if it's possible to run qemu like a chroot ?
3185[22:07:44] <Guest67932> Nobody can't help me about runlevel unknown? :-(
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3194[22:16:59] <hypn0> Guest67932: replaced-url
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3197[22:18:44] <Guest67932> Hi hypn0, thanks, but I don't use systemd on Debian 7
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3200[22:20:06] <mason> Guest67932: Look at /etc/inittab, a line like id:2:initdefault:
3201[22:20:32] <codeasdata> Hey everyone,
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3203[22:20:35] <mason> Guest67932: under comment "# The default runlevel."
3204[22:20:42] <codeasdata> I am having trouble installing any package or ugrading my system.
3205[22:20:51] <codeasdata> System info + error log replaced-url
3206[22:21:20] <Guest67932> mason, It's done... My problem appear with electrical failure. Before, on reboot or poweroff I never had this issue.....
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3209[22:21:43] <Guest67932> do you think to put runlevel number on grub2 will avoid my issue?
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3211[22:21:59] <mason> Guest67932: You shouldn't have to. The runlevel doesn't matter until you're running init scripts.
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3213[22:22:23] <mason> Guest67932: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the error...?
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3217[22:23:02] <Guest67932> I need to start service with my runlevel on boot....
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3220[22:23:22] <mason> Guest67932: man update-rc.d
3221[22:23:38] <mason> Guest67932: You need to make sure it's set to start and stop when you want.
3222[22:24:05] <mason> Or take the easy way out and run your thing out of rc.local or somesuch.
3223[22:24:34] <Guest67932> on boot, reboot, my Debian run on runlevel2. Everything works fine. My Debian works on ro (SD card) /run and /var/run works on RAM (tmpfs). then I've got electrical failure and on restart, my Debian was "unable" to start with runlevel
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3225[22:25:09] <mason> Guest67932: Sounds like filesystem corruption or somesuch...?
3226[22:25:28] <armin> so i had a weird issue today where dd'ing a .img to a usb stick would just finish after 1sec or so. that seemed way too less for me so i became curious. anyways i didn't find out what the actual issue was and rebooted my laptop and was able to properly dd an image to a usb stick again which was bootable. any hint what i could be missing?
3227[22:25:31] <mason> Guest67932: Hopefully you have back-ups. An SD card is not going to be reliable.
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3229[22:26:17] <armin> sd cards are even worse than cdr's in a car with children.
3230[22:26:17] <Guest67932> mason I think the same issue. But how my filesystem was corrputed because my filesystem work readonly
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3234[22:27:06] <mason> Guest67932: 1) back it up to something else, 2) see if fsck can make it happy, 3) use a new SD card in any event, as maybe your existing one is just wearing out
3235[22:27:35] <mason> 4) keep regular back-ups off-system of anything that matters
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3247[22:36:56] <hypercore> what should i do with debian?
3248[22:37:08] <dob1> you just asked this
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3252[22:37:11] <annadane> drink
3253[22:37:31] <annadane> more seriously, whatever you want?
3254[22:37:40] <hypercore> i've decided to use debian is my default server distro, i want to use it now
3255[22:37:46] <hypercore> can't of anything to use it for
3256[22:37:56] <annadane> any number of computer related tasks
3257[22:38:05] <greycat> Host a web site with pictures of your 172 cats.
3258[22:38:12] <Tenkawa> only 172
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3260[22:38:15] <greycat> I hean, duh.
3261[22:38:19] <Tenkawa> slacker
3262[22:38:21] <Guest67932> ok, thanks for your tips
3263[22:38:23] <greycat> mean... ... damn it.
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3267[22:39:28] <Tenkawa> greycat: my cats would love to be able to use my computer/server room for their haven
3268[22:40:31] <mnuhmnuh_> Guest67932: have you never diddled w relational dbases? or ways of driving them (eg. perl)? tres cool stuff.
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3271[22:41:28] <mnuhmnuh_> Guest67932: perl plus sqllite would be easy way to learn.
3272[22:41:36] <bitess> cats like the deafening noise?
3273[22:41:54] <Tenkawa> bitess: the rumbling and lights
3274[22:42:02] <Tenkawa> they love lights
3275[22:42:13] <Tenkawa> one of them love light toys i have
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3277[22:42:15] <greycat> And warm air.
3278[22:42:28] <Tenkawa> yeah good point
3279[22:42:41] <Tenkawa> they love taking over the bed
3280[22:43:02] <greycat> Plus, anything they can jump on top of. Especially if doing so will knock it over.
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3301[22:54:58] <jim> postgres is also a good learning choice (as well as a very stable networked, multiuser, multiple-simultaneous-connection-capable database choice) because it allows you to ask it to explain specific queries, which it replies with a plan to execute that query... so, after you mess with sqlite with perl, you can also start to learn to open postgres databases from perl, and query them in much the same manner as you will have done with sqlite
3302[22:55:28] <jim> and it is also of course acid-compliant
3303[22:56:29] <jim> sqlite is also stable, and when you need a single-user single-connection database, it will serve very well
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3306[22:58:05] * Tenkawa ironicly learned on informix in the OO space
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3308[22:58:11] <hypercore> i'm more of a dog person
3309[22:58:41] <annadane> they're both cute. this is not editor wars.
3310[22:58:46] <Tenkawa> then became a dba for 20 years afterwards
3311[22:58:58] <Tenkawa> er relational dba
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3324[23:01:33] <Canucktux> Hello, I would like some help starting up a second X session next to the default one
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3329[23:02:22] <mason> My cat prefers Emacs, and that's because my cat is really a ferret.
3330[23:02:39] <Canucktux> I have a single X session using my external AMDGPU, but I would like to use my internal GPU with a different monitor
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3339[23:06:20] <zimeo> hi everyone
3340[23:06:25] <zimeo> i'm new on debian \o/
3341[23:06:29] <annadane> \o/
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3347[23:08:58] <Canucktux> welcome zimeo
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3350[23:09:28] <zimeo> thank canucktux
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3352[23:09:49] <hypercore> what's the difference between apt and dpkg?
3353[23:10:03] <zimeo> for the moment the only thing i dont like is the small area to pick up the corner of a windows to resize it... You need to be Exactly on the corner... Boring !
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3355[23:10:11] <zimeo> but its a small thing dont mater
3356[23:10:12] <dob1> hypercore, they are 2 bots
3357[23:10:25] <Canucktux> dpkg is the reference implementation, apt is new, sleek and awesome
3358[23:10:25] <dpkg> Canucktux: bugger all, i dunno
3359[23:10:25] <hypercore> ?
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3361[23:10:42] <Tenkawa> dob1: I think he means in debian itself
3362[23:10:48] <Tenkawa> not in irc
3363[23:10:50] <bitess> apt is higher level and can install software from repositories.
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3365[23:10:51] <hypercore> Canucktux: should i use apt then?
3366[23:10:58] <hypercore> oh ok
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3368[23:11:00] <Canucktux> yes
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3370[23:11:09] <hypercore> does apt interact with dpkg?
3371[23:11:12] <dob1> Tenkawa, I know, but he is trolling too
3372[23:11:14] <hypercore> or are they completely seperate?
3373[23:11:23] <hypercore> dob1: why am i trolling?
3374[23:11:28] <Tenkawa> dob1: what???
3375[23:11:36] <Tenkawa> i havent seen any indication of that
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3377[23:11:50] <Tenkawa> and I've been sitting right here too
3378[23:11:53] <hypercore> sad thing is i'm not trolling...
3379[23:12:03] <Unit193> hypercore: Think of dpkg as more of a backend, apt being the user friendly side.
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3381[23:12:13] <Canucktux> ^
3382[23:12:19] <dob1> Tenkawa, hypercore ok not my problem, nevermind
3383[23:12:30] <Tenkawa> hypercore: many of the different components interconnect
3384[23:12:45] <Tenkawa> some of them can be used independently
3385[23:12:50] <hypercore> so apt uses the dpkg api/sdk (or whatever it's called)
3386[23:14:13] <Tenkawa> I don't know the specifics because I'm so use to doing it by memory.. a lot of it is referenced on the wiki pages nowadays at wiki.debian.org too
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3400[23:20:46] <hypercore> thanks
3401[23:21:02] <Tenkawa> np
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3437[23:46:51] <dumbl3d0re> Is there any reason why I shouldn't hide my local `opt` folder in $HOME?
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3439[23:47:16] <dumbl3d0re> Read: naming it `~/.opt` instead of `~/opt`.
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3442[23:48:10] <bitess> i don't see why it sould matter.
3443[23:50:11] <dumbl3d0re> I can't either, but you always read that you should use the local `~/bin` dirs etc. when reading how to install applications locally in $HOME. I just want to know if there's a good reason not to hide it, or just that people don't think about it/doesn't care.
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3445[23:50:52] <bitess> you can name your non-standard directories how you like.
3446[23:51:44] <dumbl3d0re> *Thumbs up|
3447[23:51:47] <dumbl3d0re> *Thumbs up*
3448[23:52:02] <dumbl3d0re> I'll go with that.
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3469[23:57:00] <codeasdata> Updating my apt mirror solved my issue, the one I was using is having issues with https. Thanks anyways
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