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1[00:00:25] <Superjuju10> Happy New Year!
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3[00:00:49] <eel_> Happy New Year!
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7[00:02:28] <Asoka> happy new year
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36[00:17:45] <remy> Happy New Year!!!
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38[00:18:40] <sercan> kdenlive instal ? error
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39[00:18:41] <sercan> wget -O kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage
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40[00:18:41] <sercan> chmod +x kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage
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41[00:18:41] <sercan> ./kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage
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42[00:18:43] <sercan> ?
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84[00:35:08] <awal1> thinking in use just wpa_supplicant
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87[00:36:11] <awal1> does is have the feature of auto-reconnect
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89[00:37:08] <awal1> I know I'll use interfaces file but
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114[00:45:37] <RJo0> How do I fix it: I created a stretch PV but
forgot to include a bridge in dom0. After adding a bridge to
'interfaces', do I delete the PV I just built or can I fix
it some way? Machine: Debian 9.3, Xen 4.8.
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116[00:46:19] <Aphotica> how unstable is buster? just curious
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117[00:46:21] <Aphotica> i know its testing
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118[00:46:27] <Aphotica> wanted to see if anyone had used it
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122[00:48:37] <annadane> if by "unstable" you mean how
often does it crash, the answer is not often
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123[00:48:58] <annadane> assuming you know what you're
doing and don't blindly install/remove packages
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149[00:59:20] <annadane> Aphotica, see also
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156[01:02:22] <whitephoenix> Hi, I'm trying to get opencl
working for cryptocurrency. Clinfo shows 1 platform but zero devices
with my AMD R9 280 on a fresh stretch install. I've installed
ocl-* and opencl*. I've been working on this for hours and am
out of ideas.
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163[01:05:40] <whitephoenix> A common suggestion is install the
proprietary AMD drivers but that just says it's incompatible
with the xorg version
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185[01:22:08] <ngc0202_> hi, is there displayport support in
debian? i'm using gnome
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186[01:22:24] <ngc0202_> can't seem to find my new monitor
in display devices
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226[01:48:20] <whitephoenix> I'm assuming I need the
proprietary AMD drivers but it says "detected x server version
'xserver _64a' is not support". So can I somehow
downgrade to a supported version?
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who know gdb and valgrind fu?
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300[02:55:43] <iflema> kingsley: package or infrastructure
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306[02:57:06] <iflema> also #debian on oftc
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311[03:00:55] <kingsley> iflema: What are "package"
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312[03:00:58] <donofrio> anyone here using a usermode android
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315[03:02:25] <iflema> kingsley: your issue is with debian
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316[03:04:15] <kingsley> iflema: I'd love to chat with a
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317[03:04:41] <kingsley> I want to level up at debugging other
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324[03:09:34] <iflema> that will help
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325[03:09:37] <iflema> =)
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329[03:10:34] <somiaj> Might be a better approach to start
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418[03:55:33] <awal1> If I am playing, say 2 songs, -L repeats
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419[03:56:08] <awal1> I want to loop both songs
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441[04:12:54] <Rembo> hello everyone, how can i install Clang
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449[04:16:24] <jangs> Hey guys is Debian still supporting LMDE?
is there a new distro coming out?
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451[04:16:58] <annadane> ,v lmde
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452[04:16:59] <judd> No package named 'lmde' was found
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454[04:17:18] <annadane> oh, that
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455[04:17:18] <jangs> oh ok thanks
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456[04:17:44] <jangs> yeah Linux Mint Debian Edition ?
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457[04:17:45] <annadane> er... i think that's more of a
mint thing? i'm afraid i don't know much about it
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459[04:17:56] <jangs> cool
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460[04:18:02] <annadane> it would be more of a
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461[04:18:05] <annadane> !based on debian
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463[04:18:05] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
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464[04:18:06] <annadane> thing
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465[04:18:25] <annadane> though you said is debian
"still" supporting it, it's news to me that it ever
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466[04:18:59] <jangs> i see thats interesting
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470[04:20:26] <themill> We've never supported LMDE
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471[04:21:08] <jangs> I believe a lot of the LMDE users have
come back to pure Debian becuase of certain issues.
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480[04:28:18] <rue_shop> how can I tell what window manager
I'm using?
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482[04:28:34] <nic_> it works? then its xfce
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483[04:28:35] <rue_shop> it might be gnome-shell, but that
dosn't seem to add up
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484[04:28:45] <nic_> it's slow and ugly? gnome
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485[04:29:06] <rue_shop> there is no minimize or maximize
button, just close
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486[04:29:29] <rue_shop> is there a command that will tell for
sure?
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487[04:29:31] <nic_> run neofetch
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488[04:29:38] <nic_> or screenfetch
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489[04:29:46] <nic_> but it's more likely you are using
gnome 3
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491[04:30:11] <annadane> the default desktop on debian is gnome
so if you just had "desktop environment" checked and
nothing else then you have gnome
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492[04:30:16] <rue_shop> no screenfetch
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493[04:30:22] <jangs> sounds like gnome you have to add the
minimization buttons in gnome tweaks
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495[04:30:25] <annadane> and yes, for those icons you'll
need the tweak tool
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496[04:30:26] <nic_> sudo apt-get install neofetch
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497[04:30:47] <rue_shop> but gconf-editor has no window manager
settings
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498[04:31:04] <annadane> (which i actually think is a bit
beginner unfriendly, if you're just starting out and have no
idea what you're doing... something like xfce is more self
explanatory)
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499[04:31:14] <rue_shop> E: Unable to locate package neofetch
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500[04:31:24] <annadane> ,v neofetch
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501[04:31:25] <judd> Package: neofetch on amd64 -- stretch:
2.0.2-1; buster: 3.3.0-1; sid: 3.3.0-1
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502[04:31:38] <annadane> that's weird.
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503[04:31:45] <rue_shop> cat /etc/debian_version
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504[04:31:45] <rue_shop> 8.6
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505[04:31:49] <annadane> ah.
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506[04:32:23] <annadane> well, first of all, the newest version
of jessie is 8.10 so you should consider updating
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507[04:32:32] <annadane> if you don't want to go to stretch
straight away
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508[04:33:02] <annadane> ,v screenfetch
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509[04:33:03] <judd> Package: screenfetch on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 3.6.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.6.5-1; stretch:
3.7.0-1; buster: 3.8.0-5; sid: 3.8.0-5
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510[04:33:17] <annadane> you should be able to install
screenfetch but yes, you have gnome
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there is no IP so I assume the dhcp lease is getting dropped?
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533[04:49:31] <rue_shop> ok, I have gonome. How do I configure
the gnome window manager
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534[04:49:40] <rue_shop> there are no settings in gconf-editor
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543[04:56:30] <rue_shop> I have 4 more hours to enjoy this year
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576[05:08:42] <awal1> rue_shop, configure gnome?
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581[05:10:08] <awal1> gnome is not a good choice if you are into
customizing stuff at your way
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587[05:14:31] <annadane> err
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589[05:14:56] <annadane> anyway, i wish i could answer but i
don't use gnome
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591[05:15:00] <infidel6352> hi everyone
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592[05:15:04] <infidel6352> burn all jews in oven
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593[05:15:06] <infidel6352> allahu akhbar
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594[05:15:09] <infidel6352> death to infidels
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595[05:15:19] <infidel6352> only muslims have a right to live
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597[05:16:12] <infidel6352> death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels!
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598[05:16:12] <infidel6352> death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "
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599[05:16:12] <infidel6352> !!!!
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600[05:16:14] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he
went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased
mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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601[05:16:20] <infidel6352> ggr death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to
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602[05:16:20] <infidel6352> infidels! death to infidels
"!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to
infidels "!!!!
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621[05:38:25] <rue_shop> awal1, all I want is a minimize button
so that I dont have to right click, move to minimize and then left
click
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622[05:38:59] <rue_shop> it might seem minor, but adding 3 or 4
actions to everything makes for a horrible ...
'experience'
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623[05:39:12] <awal1> rue_shop, install
'gnome-tweak-tool' pkg and do that there
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624[05:39:18] <rue_shop> what I have to go thru to start a
program is already bad enough
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625[05:39:36] <rue_shop> E: Unable to locate package
gnome-tweek-tool
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627[05:39:50] <awal1> also you have extensions
(gnome-shell-extensions)
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628[05:39:53] <rue_shop> can you give me a source for that
package?
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629[05:39:56] <awal1> tweak
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630[05:40:05] <awal1> ,v gnome-tweak-tool
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631[05:40:06] <judd> Package: gnome-tweak-tool on amd64 --
wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; jessie: 3.14.2-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1; buster:
3.26.4-1; sid: 3.26.4-1
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632[05:40:07] <rue_shop> :)
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633[05:40:11] <rue_shop> thanks
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634[05:41:26] <awal1> note that I am not a gnome user, I just
have it installed in my unstable system, and I rarely use it; almost
following development
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635[05:41:46] <awal1> so I can't help so much regarding
gnome stuff
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636[05:42:00] <rue_shop> you know, everything changes faster
than I want to bother trying to fix it
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637[05:42:22] <rue_shop> I liked gnome+elightenment, but those
days are long gone, the last enlightenment I installed didn't
even work
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638[05:43:35] <tacocat> I think gnome pushes workspaces or
whatnot over minimizing windows. classic gnome 2 is continued as
MATE if you're looking for something in that style
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641[05:46:17] <rue_shop> ok, so gnome has thrown out the concept
of windows, of using the screen for more than one thing at a time,
its not a window manager, whats a good window manager you might
suggest?
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642[05:47:33] <rue_shop> its amazing how people took computing
back to the pre-apple-classic with a
program-occupies-whole-viewable-area-and-that-all-you-get
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643[05:47:55] <awal1> rue_shop, combining flexibility,
robustness, active development and stability, I suggest you
'openbox'
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644[05:48:07] <rue_shop> I'm the only person in the world
who apparently has more than one thing in view/task at a time
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645[05:48:13] <rue_shop> ok
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646[05:48:21] <awal1> easy and almost ready to use, go for
fluxbox
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648[05:49:15] <rue_shop> anythng 98ish would work, you know,
windows, that can be positioned, sized, and focused by clicking on
them
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649[05:49:59] <awal1> do you like to edit so much files and
learn code and config stuff?
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650[05:50:03] <rue_shop> I suppose modern computing has thrown
out the keybaord and mouse too
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651[05:50:09] <awal1> try fvwm
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652[05:50:27] <Tramp> yup - fvwm.
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654[05:50:33] <tacocat> kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon, lxqt, lxde
all give you regular, working windows by default
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656[05:50:54] <awal1> xfce is very good
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657[05:51:29] <nixuser> awal1 xfce would be good if they
upgraded to gtk3
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659[05:52:02] <nixuser> awal1 sorry to bikeshed, but I use i3 +
dmenu
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661[05:52:29] <tacocat> just be glad there's a ton of
variety for *nix desktops \o/
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662[05:52:34] <awal1> I like xfce stability and conservatism
(xfwm is an fvwm derivative)
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664[05:52:56] <awal1> nixuser, xfce/gtk3 is work in progress
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667[05:54:13] <nixuser> awal1 yes, agreed - however, gtk3 has
been stable for several years now
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668[05:55:02] <awal1> nixuser, I also use openbox + dmenu + a
customized conky
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670[05:56:34] <rue_shop> actually, the gnome thing dosn't
even work right, after using alt-tab, it dont' erase the
selector, and half the windows are left shadowed funny
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671[05:57:13] <rue_shop> is there a command to swtich window
managers? I remmeber that changing them is an interseting process
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672[05:57:40] <rue_shop> its too bad window manager is an
options in the settings bar there
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673[05:58:01] <tacocat> that depends on how you're starting
X in the first place
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674[05:58:17] <tacocat> I'm not sure gnome 3 would even
work properly with alternate wms
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675[05:59:32] <rue_shop> its still being started by the default
voodoo
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677[05:59:47] <rue_shop> I'v not broken this one so badly I
have to use startx like all the other
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678[05:59:48] <rue_shop> s
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GOING ON ABOUT TO TO RE-ENSLAVE NIGGERS IN #/JOIN IF THIS GETS YOUR
DICK HARD JOIN IN (MESSAGE VAP0R FOR HELP) fzodabx: well_laid_lawn
daemon holden- ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage
replaced-url
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805[08:06:15] <sercan> How can I install kdenlive 18.04
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808[08:06:34] <SirLagz> appimage?
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809[08:06:46] <SirLagz> sercan: why not just install it from the
repositories?
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814[08:08:24] <sercan> the warehouse also has the old version
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815[08:08:32] <SirLagz> sercan: is there a feature in 18.04 that
you require that isn't in 16.12 ?
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816[08:08:54] <themill> 18.04 which is clearly marked as an
experimental, highly unstable development version...
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817[08:09:11] <sercan> I do not know
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818[08:09:33] <SirLagz> sercan: just install the one from the
Debian repos, then if there's a feature missing, then you can
try installing later versions.
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819[08:10:31] <sercan> Well
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821[08:12:18] <SirLagz> themill: happy new year btw :D
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824[08:13:46] <themill> o/
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828[08:16:16] <SirLagz> sercan: what are you trying to install
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829[08:16:57] <sercan> firefox
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830[08:17:13] <SirLagz> sercan: again, install it through the
repos unless you have a good reason not to.
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831[08:17:20] <sercan> firefox-57.0.3.tar.bz2
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832[08:17:36] <SirLagz> sercan: do you have a good reason not to
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833[08:17:57] <temy> SirLagz: Probably he wants Quantum instead
of Gecko
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834[08:18:20] <sercan> yes
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835[08:18:29] <SirLagz> sercan: so you want Quantum instead of
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837[08:18:48] <sercan> yes
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838[08:19:10] <temy> sercan: if you're using the official
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839[08:19:11] <sercan> new version
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840[08:19:17] <temy> extract the tarball
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841[08:20:41] <sercan> I did the installation like this. I
removed the compressed file when the old version was installed :)
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849[08:25:53] <SirLagz> if you absolutely needed the latest, I
would download the deb file from sid and install it through dpkg. At
least that way it's still managed via your package manager
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929[10:14:21] <hiya> If I buy a new SSD and install Debian
stable on it, would the GUI installer setup the SSD with TRIM?
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939[10:23:16] <BlackBishop> hey awesome peeps.
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940[10:23:23] <BlackBishop> any easy way to disable tso/gso at
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941[10:24:01] <BlackBishop> I was thinking about something in
/etc/network/interfaces but can't figure out what.
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945[10:25:48] <BlackBishop> man this channel does magic.
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978[11:05:49] <untakenstupidnic> i have installed libncurses5 as
a dependecy for nethack, but i cant include curses.h . how can i use
that package?
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987[11:16:33] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: did you install the
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988[11:17:15] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: debian splits
libraries into runtime and header packages
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990[11:17:40] <pingfloyd> well "development packages"
which are usually headers.
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991[11:18:04] <untakenstupidnic> pingfloyd : thanks for info
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992[11:18:49] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: also another trick
is to use 'apt-file find curses.h'
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1005[11:27:12] <nkuttler> untakenstupidnic: or just apt-get
build-dep nethack
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1006[11:27:25] <nkuttler> untakenstupidnic: what are you trying
to do anyway
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1008[11:29:02] <pingfloyd> definitely that if you're using a
source package
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1009[11:30:17] <pingfloyd> I suppose odds may be good you'll
still get right the dependencies using that command even if you
downloaded the source from upstream. This assumes that dependencies
haven't changed much between when the source package was made
and the current version.
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1020[11:47:08] <ongy> is there a reason kernel-package exists in
old-stable and testing, but is missing in stable?
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1026[11:52:25] <beepnboop-> hello, can someone remind me how to
edit the sourceslist?
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1029[11:52:52] <somiaj> it is located at /etc/apt/sources.list
(or files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/), edit with your prefered
editor.
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1030[11:53:00] <nic_> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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1031[11:53:10] <bazhang> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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1033[11:53:18] <bazhang> oopsie
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1034[11:53:19] <bolt> beepnboop-: why do you want to edit it?
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1035[11:53:36] <nic_> use the gnome thingy, how is it called?
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1036[11:53:55] <somiaj> ongy:
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1038[11:55:51] <ongy> I just used the version from buster to
build 4.15 kernel. And at that point testing was current testing,
right? So that's contrary to the current state
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1040[11:56:08] <beepnboop-> how do i save it again?
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1041[11:56:10] <beepnboop-> the nano
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1042[11:56:17] <beepnboop-> with the nano*
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1043[11:56:41] <somiaj> ongy:
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1045[11:56:56] <babilen> beepnboop-: Should show you at the
bottom .. wasn't it C-w ?
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1046[11:57:13] <babilen> (i.e. ctrl + w)
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1047[11:57:20] <notafemalenot13>
replaced-url
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1048[11:57:42] <babilen> beepnboop-: Ah, no .. C-o instead
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1049[11:58:13] <notafemalenot13> If you select "Burn to
disc" in Windows, you must use optical media.
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1050[11:58:29] <somiaj> !win32diskimage
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1051[11:58:49] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
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1052[11:58:49] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
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1054[11:59:04] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: Wouldn't it be a
slightly good idea to mention this on the site and not just leave
the potential new Debian user out in the cold?
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1055[11:59:06] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: ^^ that is the suggested
software to copy a debian .iso to a usb drive in windows.
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1056[11:59:11] <notafemalenot13> "<unetbootin>"?
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1063[12:00:55] <somiaj> notafemalenot13:
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1064[12:01:15] <pingfloyd> no don't use unotbootin
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1065[12:01:23] <pingfloyd> it's a POS
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1066[12:01:42] <pingfloyd> use win32diskimager if you have to do
it in windows, like mentioned.
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1067[12:02:09] <pingfloyd> if you have dd in windows (say you
installed mingw etc.) use that instead
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1068[12:02:18] <bazhang> babilen, whats the channels stance on
using rufus in windows for that
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1069[12:02:28] <jelly> !rufus
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1070[12:02:28] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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1071[12:02:48] <bazhang> yeowch
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1072[12:02:51] <pingfloyd> same reason to not use unetbooting, it
"mangles" things too.
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1074[12:03:01] <bazhang> mangle is a big NO I suppose
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1075[12:03:03] <pingfloyd> tries to be clever about it and
installs its own crap onto the system
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1076[12:03:06] <jelly> now ask about etcher!
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1078[12:03:19] <notafemalenot13> I don't get it. Why
isn't this clearly mentioned on the page?
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1079[12:03:25] <notafemalenot13> How is anyone going to know
this?
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1080[12:03:32] <bazhang> jelly, etcher.io from Jriddell?
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1081[12:03:35] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the manual recommends
it
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1082[12:03:39] <simp> I've been trying to enable the
"tearfree" option for my AMD gpu(R9 280X), but after a
reboot it won't find any screens. Here's the config that I
tired & the xorg logs
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1083[12:03:42] <simp> any thoughts on how to go about it? Thought
I'd give gaming on linux a shot but everything keeps tearing.
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1084[12:03:43] <notafemalenot13> In fact, even the step with
picking the right "architecture" will confuse most.
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1085[12:03:54] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: What manual? I'm
talking about the URL I posted above.
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1087[12:04:19] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: are you here to get a
solution to a problem or just point out yet again how it is not up
to your standards?
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1089[12:04:28] <jelly> bazhang, yes
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1090[12:04:36] <bazhang> cheers
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1092[12:04:47] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13:
replaced-url
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1093[12:04:52] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the installation
manual
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1095[12:05:43] <notafemalenot13> Not "up to my
standards"? It's really as if you don't want people
to install Debian.
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1097[12:06:02] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: there's even a
link to download it
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1098[12:06:03] <notafemalenot13> I can certainly figure it out,
but I'm trying to give feedback as an average user.
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1099[12:06:12] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: That's the
point: there isn't. What are you talking about?
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1101[12:06:19] <jelly> notafemalenot13, this channel is mostly
divorced from people involved in official web pages, not really a
place to give feedback
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1103[12:06:34] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: I linked you it
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1105[12:06:45] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: this really isn't a
place to give feedback, and gets in the way of actually helping you
get debian working.
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1106[12:06:47] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: read 4.3.1
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1107[12:06:48] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd:
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1108[12:07:13] <pingfloyd> who is we?
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1110[12:07:57] <notafemalenot13> The page should have a text
explaining that amd64 is "probably your architecture", and
a small instruction or link to that other page (at worst) on what to
actually do with the .iso you download.
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1111[12:08:09] <notafemalenot13> And yes, I read what you said
about this channel not containing people responsible for the
website.
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1114[12:08:59] <notafemalenot13> It's just so frustrating to
notice these "obvious" things.
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1116[12:09:10] <jelly> nod
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1127[12:16:30] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the entire
site's navigation is a bit of maze unless you've used it
for some time
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1128[12:16:46] <pingfloyd> there's no doubt it needs lots of
improvements regardless
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1129[12:17:33] <notafemalenot13> Well, I installed
win32diskimager and it seemed to work correctly, but when I then run
it, it just loads for a bit and then... nothing happens. :S
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1131[12:17:54] <notafemalenot13> As in, it doesn't bring up
any kind of GUI or anything.
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1132[12:18:03] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: I'd recommend
using this page
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1134[12:18:41] <coruja> who really is interested in installing
debian, will look for and find the needed information, first an iso
link and information (installation guide in this case) how to go on
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1135[12:19:08] <SirLagz> is it really that hard to find a
download link to debian?
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1136[12:19:10] <notafemalenot13> coruja: And if you aren't
interested in installing Debian whatsoever, but wanted to give it a
shot out of desperation?
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1137[12:19:33] <notafemalenot13> The problem wasn't finding
the .iso. It is actually putting it on a USB memstick (so it will
boot the installer).
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1138[12:19:40] <coruja> notafemalenot13, then you should take a
look at debian live isos i guess
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1140[12:19:55] <notafemalenot13> Huh? Would be the same thing
then.
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1141[12:20:35] <SirLagz> well putting it into a USB stick
wouldn't really be an issue the Debian maintainers could help
with anyway beyond providing generic info and maybe pointing you to
some programs to try
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1143[12:20:48] <pingfloyd> coruja: his/her problem was not being
made aware of win32diskimager on the site
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1144[12:20:58] <coruja> you've been hinted at the
installation guide several times now, what's still the point?
;)
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1148[12:22:41] <notafemalenot13> The damn program doesn't
start when you run it after installing it. What can I say?
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1149[12:22:47] <coruja> i don't think there will ever be a
step-by-step spoonfeeding howto for windows users at debian.org, as
debian usually isn't the first linux distribution windows
people try to install/use
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1150[12:22:48] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the main thing you
want is a tool that simply does a block level copy and nothing more
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1151[12:23:05] <pingfloyd> (such as adding its own shit to the
usb stick like unetbootin does).
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1153[12:23:13] <pingfloyd> the isos are hybrid
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1154[12:23:18] <pingfloyd> and bootable
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1155[12:23:41] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: win32diskimager is not
a tool provided nor maintained by the Debian developers...if you
need support with win32diskimager, maybe hit up their support
channels.
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1156[12:23:44] <pingfloyd> win32diskimager is just one
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1157[12:23:51] <pingfloyd> example
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1159[12:24:04] <pingfloyd> it's a pretty good one too, as
far as the windows side of things goes
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1160[12:24:05] <notafemalenot13> I guess Windows 10 is probably
blocking the program from running silently because it detects that
it will probably be used to prepare a foreign OS to be installed on
the computer, which is a threat to its existence, and thus seen as
malware.
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1161[12:24:16] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: more likely, you need
to right click and run as admin.
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1163[12:24:34] <notafemalenot13> I feel just like I do when
dealing with big (or small) corporations: "This isn't our
problem. Talk with X." "We aren't responsible for
this part. Talk to Y."
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1164[12:24:47] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: I did try that.
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1172[12:25:05] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: in that case, try a
different program
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1173[12:25:16] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: All other programs run
perfectly.
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1175[12:25:21] <pingfloyd> just use a basic imaging tool
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1176[12:25:32] <notafemalenot13> Like what?
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1177[12:25:43] <pingfloyd> one that makes a block for block exact
copy and nothing more
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1178[12:25:54] <pingfloyd> like dd
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1179[12:26:01] <notafemalenot13>
replaced-url
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1181[12:26:22] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use windd then
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1188[12:26:56] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: or any other tool you
can find that will do as pingfloyd was saying.
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1190[12:27:46] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: or burn the image to a
DVD
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1192[12:27:52] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: with a classic DVD
burner
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1194[12:28:36] <pingfloyd> eww
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1197[12:28:55] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah I know.
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1198[12:28:59] <pingfloyd> aka bit rotting frisbees
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1199[12:29:03] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but at least that's
doable with windows :P
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1201[12:29:22] <pingfloyd> yeah, welcome to windows, the OS that
try to control your usage of it
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1202[12:29:29] <pingfloyd> tries*
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1203[12:29:34] <SirLagz> yep
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1205[12:29:42] <SirLagz> hence why I barely run any windows boxes
:P
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1206[12:30:04] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: nobody said software
freedom would be easy
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1207[12:30:22] <pingfloyd> though many make great efforts to try
to attain that goal
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1208[12:30:23] <SirLagz> software freedom is easy after you get
yourself off the locked down platform of windows
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1210[12:30:43] <pingfloyd> it's gotten a hell of a lot
easier than a decade or so ago
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1212[12:30:49] <SirLagz> indeed
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1213[12:30:55] <SirLagz> especially with bootable USB sticks
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1214[12:31:10] <SirLagz> doing a simple dd to build a bootable
USB stick is awesome
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1216[12:31:34] <coruja> or cp nowadays
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1217[12:31:38] <untakenstupidnic> not always
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1218[12:31:53] <pingfloyd> what I liked about debian in the old
days, was its installer fit on a few floppies (2-3) while others
required at least cd-rom sized storage.
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1221[12:32:23] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: when was that?
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1222[12:32:25] <pingfloyd> boot disk, root disk, and optional
extra drivers disk
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1223[12:32:28] <jelly>
replaced-url
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1224[12:32:39] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: iirc, sarge was the last one
with such a small installer for netinst
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1229[12:33:04] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: ah k, right before I started
getting the netinst stuff heh
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1234[12:33:20] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: I started on woody? potato? I
forget
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1236[12:33:37] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but I was doing the CD
installs at the time lol
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1241[12:35:42] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: the floppy image was
maintained along side the other images like CD and later DVD
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1242[12:35:55] <pingfloyd> there was overlap for a long time,
which was great
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1243[12:36:01] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah, I have a vague
recollection of the floppy image, but never used it
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1244[12:36:08] <pingfloyd> gave the users options and ability to
install in many different scenarios
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1248[12:36:44] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: a system I had at the time,
didn't have any cd/dvd-rw so it was a saver for me.
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1249[12:36:59] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: heh nice
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1251[12:37:18] <pingfloyd> I supposed I could have download the
1000 floppy slackware set instead
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1252[12:37:22] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: I think at the time all of my
systems had CD drives so I just used the CD installs. It was good
especially because my internet was crap
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1255[12:37:44] <SirLagz> downloaded the first 3 or 4 cds at
school and burned them, then came home to install it :D
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1257[12:37:51] <deicide-> when u make shit work in linux its so
satisfying, makes ur brain work for it. when i first got it on i
spent entire night getting wifi to work, but when i succeed it felt
really rewarding with sense of achievement if u know what i mean
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1258[12:37:59] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: yeah, my internet was
horrible too around that time
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1259[12:38:02] <SirLagz> deicide-: definitely
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1260[12:38:13] <pingfloyd> that was the other plus of the floppy
installer, it was a tiny download in comparison
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1263[12:38:51] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but then it's a netinst
:P
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1264[12:38:54] <pingfloyd> I can understand why they discontinued
it when they did though. Kudos to them for supporting it long after
others didn't.
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1266[12:39:11] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: indeed
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1267[12:39:11] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: yeah, but I would let that
run overnight
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1269[12:39:23] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah true
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1271[12:39:35] <pingfloyd> and the installer is great in that all
your choices are presented before much downloading
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1273[12:40:22] <pingfloyd> so for me it was configure it, start
the installation step, come back the next and reboot and cross
fingers.
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1274[12:40:34] <pingfloyd> *next day
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1275[12:40:52] <SirLagz> yeah true
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1277[12:41:01] <pingfloyd> didn't encounter any problems
which was really great
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1281[12:43:14] <deicide-> linux is just great, and the community
is even better
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1283[12:43:37] <deicide-> well minus the banter between the
versions which is just stupid
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1284[12:43:46] <SirLagz> linux is great...for people who are
willing to do some thinking
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1285[12:43:57] <SirLagz> thinking/reading
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1286[12:44:17] <nic_> linux is great for neet people
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1287[12:44:23] <deicide-> you don't need to think tbh, you
only need to know what to ask google
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1288[12:44:29] <SirLagz> nic_: neet?
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1291[12:44:41] <SirLagz> deicide-: hence my change of
thinking/reading :P
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1292[12:44:42] <deicide-> isn't it neat?
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1293[12:44:45] <nic_> not in education employment or training
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1294[12:45:15] <SirLagz> nic_: you know heaps of people use linux
at work right?
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1295[12:45:23] <nic_> yea
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1298[12:45:37] <deicide-> nic_, art forms too
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1299[12:45:38] <nic_> doesnt stop it being great for neet tbh
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1300[12:45:51] <SirLagz> nic_: right. just chekcing
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1301[12:45:59] <SirLagz> nic_: it's great because it's
free lol
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1303[12:46:18] <nic_> i like the part of being pretty modular and
secure
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1304[12:46:41] <nic_> configurable, or whatever the word is
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1305[12:46:56] <SirLagz> that's also good
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1306[12:46:56] <Urchin> Linux is great for people with more time
than money
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1307[12:47:05] <gpunk> customisable
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1308[12:47:11] <nic_> ^ dat
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1309[12:47:20] <deicide-> the only reason why i'll never go
full linux is the fact i will lose so many softwares daily
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1310[12:47:24] <SirLagz> Urchin: it's not like linux takes a
great deal of time to use
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1314[12:48:00] <nkuttler> debian is great because shit just
works. i have no time to mess with windows nonsense
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1315[12:48:03] <gpunk> deicide- you need more efort
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1316[12:48:07] <SirLagz> nkuttler: exactly
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1320[12:49:07] <bolt> Sure it takes time, because suddenly you
can do what you actually want. I've spent probably days coming
up with the desktop environment I use and enjoy every day. On
Windows, I wouldn't have done that, because Windows won't
do what I want anyway, and I simply have to live with that when on a
Windows machine.
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1321[12:49:19] <pingfloyd> nkuttler: exactly
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1322[12:49:19] <Urchin> SirLagz: spending an hour or two to set
up something that comes set up for MacOS, but you have to pay $400
for it does use more time than money
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1323[12:49:31] <pingfloyd> nkuttler: that's exactly why I
use it and also software freedom
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1324[12:49:41] <SirLagz> Urchin: spent an hour or two rather than
spend 2 days earning the money to buy Mac OSX
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1325[12:49:48] <pingfloyd> it's both, which is what I want
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1327[12:50:01] <bolt> Urchin: that's given OSX actually does
what you want
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1329[12:50:57] <Urchin> SirLagz: that purely depends on how fast
you earn money, it is possible to make more than $400 per hour,
so...
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1330[12:51:00] <phogg> I have enough money to not care how much
OS X costs, but I couldn't ever use it. It's designed to
work in a way that I don't like and isn't designed to be
customizable.
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1331[12:51:24] <pingfloyd> Urchin: with macos you're being
indoctrinated into a limited experience
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1332[12:51:25] <SirLagz> Urchin: I don't know that many
people who earn more than $400 per hour.
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1333[12:51:43] <pingfloyd> they get the user to think in apple
boxes
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1334[12:51:47] <phogg> the best option for me would be to install
X11 , pretend the host system doesn't exist and compile all of
the same software I have on Linux. Pointless.
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1338[12:52:12] <SirLagz> so for someone to earn $400 and hour,
they'd be earning $450k a year...anyone earning that much
probably has the time to muck about with linux should they so wish
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1339[12:52:19] <Urchin> phogg: I agree that I hate the OSX
interface
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1340[12:52:21] <pingfloyd> and have an autonomic dismissive
response to anything that doesn't neatly fit into any of those
existing boxes
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1343[12:52:43] <SirLagz> $450k a year, assuming a normal 40 hour
week.
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1344[12:53:06] <deicide-> one thing i did thought about is
running windows as vm and linux as main but i'm afraid of
latency
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1345[12:53:10] <pingfloyd> not everyone is obsessed with having
more money than they need in this world
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1346[12:53:27] <nic_> is ok to be poor tbh
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1347[12:53:34] <SirLagz> I'd rather spend my time building
something I like using than spending 2 days earning money for
something I wouldn't like to use anyway.
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1348[12:53:45] <pingfloyd> nic_: sometimes you have more freedom
in some ways by being poor
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1349[12:53:48] <bolt> Urchin: where do I click to get the OSX
window manager to act like a proper tiling one? i'm not paying
$400 for something that doesn't do what I want anyway. sure, I
could compile my own, and people actually do this, but then what did
I pay for?
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1351[12:53:52] <nic_> i agree
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1352[12:53:53] <pingfloyd> in material ways you don't
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1354[12:54:10] <pingfloyd> money takes care of corporeal needs
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1355[12:54:19] <pingfloyd> but that's really about it in the
end
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1356[12:54:23] <SirLagz> yep
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1357[12:54:38] <pingfloyd> all I need is what I need to survive
and pursue things I want
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1359[12:54:45] <nic_> question, is debian unstable really
unstable?
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1360[12:54:51] <SirLagz> nic_: define 'unstable'
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1361[12:54:58] <nic_> bugged like shit
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1362[12:55:02] <pingfloyd> nic_: it's in a constant state of
flux
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1363[12:55:09] <SirLagz> nic_: nope. The packages are constantly
being updated though
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1364[12:55:16] <SirLagz> nic_: so it's unstable in that
things might occasionally break
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1365[12:55:20] <nic_> kind of bleeding edge?
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1366[12:55:27] <Urchin> nic_: unstable is a statement about the
package repositories
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1367[12:55:32] <SirLagz> nic_:
semi-on-the-cusp-of-almost-being-bleeding-edge
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1369[12:55:34] <bolt> !tell nic_ about unstable
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1370[12:55:37] <pingfloyd> nic_: so it could run rock solid for a
while and then run catastrophically at a certain point
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1372[12:55:55] <nic_> good to know
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1373[12:55:56] <SirLagz> nic_: updates might break packages,
missing dependencies etc
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1374[12:55:59] <pingfloyd> nic_: "you break it, you get to
keep both pieces"
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1375[12:56:02] <SirLagz> nic_: I broke perl once when I ran
unstable
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1376[12:56:22] <pingfloyd> nic_: that's the saying for sid
in regards to support
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1378[12:56:29] <Urchin> it's the perpetual beta, so expect
being a beta tester for it
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1383[12:56:45] <nic_> thank you people
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1384[12:56:47] <pingfloyd> actually I think it's more
"if it breaks..."
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1386[12:57:04] <gpunk> vms or VMs ?
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1387[12:57:06] <SirLagz> deicide-: on virtual machines?
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1388[12:57:19] <nic_> virtual richard m stallman?
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1389[12:57:19] <pingfloyd> that is, it doesn't matter if you
break it or it is just plain broken because of the state it is in
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1390[12:57:20] <deicide-> context(one thing i did thought about
is running windows as vm and linux as main but i'm afraid of
latency)
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1391[12:57:35] <SirLagz> deicide-: I think I might do that at
work this year
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1392[12:57:45] <SirLagz> deicide-: getting sick of running
Windows as my workstation
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1394[12:58:02] <nic_> i won't go unstable tbh, i'll
stick waiting 5 years for an update
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1395[12:58:04] <pingfloyd> that's what I do
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1396[12:58:15] <pingfloyd> windows is a vm on my debian system
collecting dust
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1397[12:58:26] <nic_> can't wait to use that quantum firefox
in my 40s
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1398[12:58:34] <pingfloyd> I bet if I launch it, there will be a
million updates waiting and eventually crashing things.
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1400[12:58:37] <SirLagz> nic_: not as bad as 5 years lol
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1402[12:58:54] <Urchin> but does it run games?
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1403[12:59:03] <SirLagz> Urchin: linux or the windows vm?
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1406[12:59:11] <pingfloyd> nic_: I just download firefox from
upstream
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1407[12:59:20] <pingfloyd> nic_: it's install is simple,
extract it where you want it installed
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1409[12:59:30] <Urchin> windows vm
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1411[12:59:36] <pingfloyd> that's one of the few programs I
care about version
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1412[12:59:50] <gpunk> for me it s gone ...
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1413[12:59:57] <gpunk> dont need it anymore :)
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1414[12:59:57] <SirLagz> Urchin: it can play games if you set it
up right
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1415[12:59:58] <pingfloyd> browser is a very good candidate to
keep to the latest version available
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1416[13:00:07] <nic_> gpunk: u using lynx brother?
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1420[13:00:45] <nic_> same pingfloyd
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1422[13:00:56] <nic_> and i found really good interest in pale
moon lately too
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1423[13:00:57] <Urchin> I find that I really need a new system
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1445[13:04:20] <Antoninus> How can I completely disable udisks2
and/or gvfsd? I can delete their binaries, but if I do this, I get
really long timeouts from apps like this
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1452[13:05:29] <notafemalenot13> I can't tell if "Linux
users" pretend to not understand or actually don't
understand when you tell them that there's nothing
"simple" or "easy" or "quick" about
the various "insane hacks" they often suggest.
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1454[13:05:40] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: you shouldn't just go
manually deleting binaries willy nilly
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1456[13:05:59] <nic_> pingfloyd: just installed palemoon, first
home congratulations screen has a googlead with malicious content
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1457[13:06:01] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: you uninstall the packages
for them, but if something depends on them, you need to keep them
around.
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1458[13:06:02] <nic_> great
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1459[13:06:04] <notafemalenot13> Also, a major issue is that
regardless of which OS I install on this machine, there is an
unremovable hardware backdoor on it nevertheless.
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1461[13:06:29] <Antoninus> pingfloyd, I should be able to
completely disable gvfsd, too, but since I can't do this,
I'm deleting them
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1474[13:10:00] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what insane hack?
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1475[13:11:02] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Just run this and that
"simple command", etc.
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1476[13:11:03] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: apt-rdepends -p gvfs-daemon
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1477[13:11:15] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: use that list to see
programs you've just broke by doing that
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1478[13:11:23] <Urchin> sounds like every how to ever
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1479[13:11:24] <notafemalenot13> This is gonna sound insulting,
but isn't really meant to be: Linux feels a lot like some kid
showing something they have made to the grown-ups, and they all
think it's awful, but still put on stiff smiles and go:
"Veeeeeery good! Did you do this aaaaall by yourself?" and
whatnot. (Kinda like how females treat me even today...)
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1480[13:11:25] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: still have no idea what
'insane hack' you're talking about.
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1481[13:11:25] <pingfloyd> the ones showing "installed"
would be them
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1484[13:11:54] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: correction: apt-rdepends -p
gvfs-daemons
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1485[13:12:08] <Antoninus> pingfloyd, uh-huh
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1486[13:12:45] <Urchin> it usually takes an effort to explain why
the simple hack is simple
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1487[13:12:46] <pingfloyd> apt-rdepends -pr gvfs-daemons
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1489[13:13:05] <Antoninus> Just nevermind
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1491[13:13:53] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: this might sound
insulting, but your statement shows your ignorance of Linux
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1496[13:15:25] <Urchin> pingfloyd: it's a pretty common
perception among people who can't program
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1498[13:16:09] <notafemalenot13> Did I say anything along the
lines of: "It's super easy to make an OS"?
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1499[13:16:16] <notafemalenot13> I didn't even suggest it.
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1500[13:16:22] <notafemalenot13> It's actually very hard.
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1504[13:16:37] <notafemalenot13> The problem is that the end
result is what counts to people.
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1505[13:16:57] <pingfloyd> I think results count more
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1506[13:17:12] <notafemalenot13> If you think about the history
of computers, the concept of an "OS" as stand-alone from
the hardware is a pretty new concept.
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1507[13:17:23] <pingfloyd> things like security, reliability,
freedom and customizability
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1508[13:17:28] <pingfloyd> (having it my way)
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1509[13:17:35] <notafemalenot13> I would vastly prefer machines
that were built from the ground up to be all about a unified, secure
experience.
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1510[13:17:36] <pingfloyd> having and OS my way
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1511[13:17:43] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: the concept of an OS
being stand-alone from hardware has been around for a long time
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1512[13:17:43] <pingfloyd> not some way some suit thinks I should
have
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1513[13:17:55] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: Is an unremovable
backdoor on top of every CPU from AMD and Intel since 2006
"having things your way"? :/
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1517[13:18:22] <pingfloyd> the big hurdle for new users is often
getting past paying someone to make choices for them
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1518[13:18:34] <nic_> pingfloyd: question
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1519[13:18:39] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: considering OSes have
been standalone since the days of MS-DOS at least
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1520[13:18:40] <nic_> do you know how to get the old firefox bar
on the bottom?
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1521[13:18:53] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: that's such a
non sequitur
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1522[13:19:02] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Not on Amiga and Macs
and others. Only PC.
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1523[13:19:07] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: How so?
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1525[13:19:23] <pingfloyd> IME has nothing to do with OS choices
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1526[13:19:33] <pingfloyd> that's in the hardware you choose
to buy
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1527[13:19:40] <notafemalenot13> Choose?
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1530[13:19:59] <notafemalenot13> Not much left to buy when you
exclude AMD and Intel, and those are just the *known* ones.
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1531[13:20:04] <d3vice> Not a female, not 13, not very smart
about what youre talking about
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1532[13:20:06] <notafemalenot13> Windows only runs on x86 AFAIK.
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1533[13:20:13] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: yes, only PC. OS2 was
an alternative OS to MSDos, back in 1987
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1534[13:20:28] <notafemalenot13> d3vice: Why the general insults
instead of specific replies?
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1535[13:20:29] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: Windows runs on ARM too
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1536[13:20:46] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: what does IME have to
do with Debian?
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1537[13:20:49] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: and used to run on
Itanium platforms...not sure if it still does
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1538[13:21:05] <notafemalenot13> The hardware backdoor makes the
OS choice pointless.
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1539[13:21:08] <notafemalenot13> Almost.
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1540[13:21:23] <pingfloyd> how?
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1544[13:21:32] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: if you're that
concerned about the hardware backdoor, just don't use
technology then.
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1545[13:21:43] <Urchin> well, there's POWER architecture,
but those CPUs tend to be pretty expensive
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1546[13:21:44] <pingfloyd> ^ the only fix for that
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1547[13:21:44] <notafemalenot13> Even a perfect OS has no chance
to protect your data when the hardware remote backdoor is sucking
out your files and pumping them through the network cable.
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1548[13:21:53] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Great idea.
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1549[13:21:57] <pingfloyd> which has nothing to do with Debian or
OS choices
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1550[13:22:23] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: you can't fix
hardware problems with software.
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1553[13:22:28] <notafemalenot13> It has everything to do with it
because of that very reason.
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1554[13:22:46] <pingfloyd> (maybe you can cover them up, but
that's irrelevant anyway)
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1555[13:22:49] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: at least with Debian
then, you have the ability to find out exactly what your system is
doing
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1557[13:23:23] <notafemalenot13> It's like saying that even
though a whole building is full of microphones and spy gear, it
matters that you lock all the doors and make sure nobody is
physically inside when you start talking about how to accomplish the
revolution.
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1558[13:23:27] <pingfloyd> Windows plays an accomplice in trying
to hide that issue from the user
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1560[13:23:48] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: It cannot see what the
separate "computer on the CPU" is doing, no, if
that's what you mean.
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1562[13:24:15] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: so what will do that
you can't find a perfect solution?
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1564[13:24:24] <notafemalenot13> ?
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1565[13:24:25] <pingfloyd> or a "perfect computer"
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1566[13:24:40] <notafemalenot13> For one thing, I find it insane
that this situation could ever be allowed to happen in the first
place.
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1568[13:24:51] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what? the supposed
hardware backdoor?
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1569[13:24:53] <pingfloyd> the reasonable answer is: Make the
most out of what I got to work with
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1571[13:25:17] <notafemalenot13> And that not a single rich geek
in the whole world has thought to start a factory making secure
hardware from scratch with maybe a developed version of Qubes OS
running on it or something.
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1573[13:25:49] <pingfloyd> or: try to find an option that is
relatively closer to it than other options
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1574[13:25:55] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: even *if* someone does
that, someone else will go 'oh there's probably a hardware
backdoor in that cpu that new-rich-geek has designed and
manufactured'
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1575[13:26:11] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Probably, but nobody
even claims to have done so.
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1576[13:26:32] <notafemalenot13> It literally isn't possible
to buy a secure hardware today.
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1577[13:26:33] <Urchin> notafemalenot13: I already mentioned
POWER architecture
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1578[13:26:35] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: there are plenty of
other CPUs out there. Use a different CPU then
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1580[13:26:55] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: guess what though.
Debian supports a lot of different architectures.
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1581[13:27:00] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: imagine that
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1582[13:27:11] <notafemalenot13> The Qubes OS people actively
refuse to recommend any hardware except "buy an ancient
ThinkPad".
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1583[13:27:26] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use Debian on an open
source CPU. then you can look for backdoors yourself to your hearts
content.
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1584[13:27:50] <notafemalenot13> Where can I buy those open
source CPUs or better, a whole computer like that?
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1585[13:27:57] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: raspberry pi
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1587[13:28:08] <notafemalenot13> I have one of those in a box
somewhere.
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1588[13:28:08] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: Windows doesn't
do that. And MacOS to an extreme doesn't do that. So by your
own criteria Debian and linux is a superior option available.
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1589[13:28:12] <notafemalenot13> Weak as a fly, though.
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1591[13:28:42] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: check fsf and
gnu's site
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1592[13:28:43] <notafemalenot13> Have they not made a
"full-fledged" Raspberry pi?
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1593[13:28:45] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: the Raspberry Pi 3 is
plenty powerful enough to be a basic desktop computer.
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1594[13:28:56] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: they have
recommendations of hardware that respects freedom
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1595[13:28:57] <notafemalenot13> "Watermelon Pi" or
something. A full board with a chassis.
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1598[13:29:19] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Minimum system
requirements for Qubes OS includes 4 GB RAM...
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1601[13:29:37] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use Debian on the
Raspberry Pi
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1602[13:29:40] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: also there's
projects in existence trying to address that precise issue (free
system firmware projects)
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1604[13:29:54] <SirLagz> indeed. projects like Libreboot and
Coreboot
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1605[13:29:59] <pingfloyd> yep
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1608[13:30:11] <pingfloyd> so another +1 for linux by your own
criteria
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1609[13:30:15] <notafemalenot13> Is there something I'm
missing regarding producing a "more powerful RPi", though?
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1610[13:30:24] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13:
replaced-url
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1611[13:30:34] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what are you going to
do that a Pi can't do?
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1614[13:33:41] <notafemalenot13> Hmmm... Very interesting. I just
read that page you linked to just now. How come the Qubes OS people
cannot recommend that?
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1615[13:33:46] <notafemalenot13> I should ask them.
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1616[13:33:51] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: go ahead.
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1617[13:33:56] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Let's see...
Running all kinds of stuff.
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1618[13:34:09] <notafemalenot13> In fact, just running
non-Windows (include Qubes OS) will cripple me in many ways.
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1619[13:34:15] <notafemalenot13> For example, video editing.
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1621[13:34:26] <Urchin> Qubes OS seems to like hardware
virtualization
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1622[13:34:32] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: do you use Adobe to do
your video editing?
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1623[13:34:37] <notafemalenot13> I might well buy that computer
unless Qubes OS people have something to say about it.
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1624[13:34:51] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Due to the lack of
choice even on Windows, yes.
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1627[13:35:02] <notafemalenot13> (I had a period a couple of
years ago when I went through *all* the alternatives on Windows.)
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1628[13:35:07] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what lack of choice?
you know there are other Video Editing programs?
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1631[13:36:06] <notafemalenot13> That's why I said I went
through them and determined that Premiere Pro is the only even
remotely sane one.
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1633[13:36:27] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: personally I use
Openshot for my video editing. I don't know what you need to
edit on your videos, but there are always alternatives.
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1676[13:53:31] <buu> I need an alternative for i7z that works on
amd
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1681[13:55:03] <gpunk> hein ?
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1694[13:59:36] <notafemalenot13> What they answered so far:
"my guesses: only 8gb, really slow cpu, and maybe even a cpu
with broken vt-x (though I'm not sure about that)"
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1710[14:07:25] <Hund> Am I the only one having issues with
OpenVPN disconnecting all the time?
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1713[14:08:27] <Hund> It works just fine with Arch.
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1745[14:19:29] <gpunk> is your machine up to date ? (just in
case)
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1747[14:19:56] <gpunk> have you checked any error messages ? like
in syslog ....
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1749[14:20:35] <gpunk> (perso i dont use openvpn anymore)
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1758[14:25:25] <RoyK> gpunk: what would you recommend instead of
openvpn?
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1759[14:25:40] <gpunk> openconnect is nice
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1761[14:26:02] <gpunk> but it depends on your setup
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1808[14:38:03] <notafemalenot13> OpenVPN is awful crippleware.
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1810[14:38:19] <notafemalenot13> But somehow has become an
"industry standard" in spite of lacking the most basic
features.
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1811[14:38:25] <notafemalenot13> But don't get me started on
that.
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1873[15:07:39] <de1> hello, tried apt-get install and got this
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1874[15:07:53] <shtrb> sudo del
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1875[15:08:12] <de1> tried mv /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
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1876[15:08:23] <shtrb> *del, you should use sudo (or make sure no
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1877[15:08:24] <de1> but same result on apt-get install
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1878[15:08:26] <shtrb> don't touch that
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1879[15:08:28] <de1> ok trying
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1880[15:08:49] <shtrb> first make sure no other dpkg /apt
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1883[15:10:29] <de1> hmm, deleted and now getting
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1884[15:11:03] <de1> error
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1885[15:11:05] <de1> chmod 0700 of directory
/var/lib/apt/lists/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1:
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1886[15:11:17] <de1> other ideas?
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1887[15:11:20] <shtrb> del stop playing with fire
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1890[15:11:35] <shtrb> 1. make sure no other dpkg/apt is running
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1892[15:11:50] <shtrb> 2. why are you chmoding it ?!
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1895[15:12:27] <de1> shtrb: ps aux | grep shows no other dpkg
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1896[15:12:40] <themill> or apt
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1897[15:12:42] <shtrb> what about apt ?
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1899[15:13:09] <de1> sorry yes apt
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1900[15:13:12] <de1> http apt
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1913[15:18:36] <shtrb> del , first you need to let the other apt
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1920[15:23:09] <vizzy_zzz> regarding bug 884762
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1921[15:23:10] <judd> Bug
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1923[15:23:51] <vizzy_zzz> is this only for systems with
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1925[15:26:26] <vizzy_zzz> is it safe to just skip the
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1935[15:36:36] <shtrb> is Xsane the correct way to scan docs ?
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1938[15:37:50] <de1> shtrb - cant say if its "correct"
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1939[15:38:09] <de1> works well with ssh also for remote scan
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1942[15:38:59] <shtrb> I didn't use scanner software since I
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1959[15:49:22] <shtrb> del, any suggestions for command line tool
to print photos ? (right now checking gimp for that) - going to grab
a cheap HP for it's scanner facility
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1969[15:54:16] <gpunk> lpr ?
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1970[15:54:26] <gpunk> cups-lpr i think too
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1972[15:54:39] <shtrb> I don't think it can handle photos
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1973[15:54:46] <shtrb> *lpr
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1974[15:54:55] <gpunk> it s the printer that handle photos, not
lpr
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1975[15:55:24] <gpunk> you may need command line options
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1976[15:55:43] <gpunk> and format the file yourself
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1977[15:55:57] <shtrb> I prefer the option I was wrong, and you
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1978[15:56:11] <gpunk> i hope too :)
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1979[15:56:27] <gpunk> i donno if imageMagic can help
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1980[15:56:36] <gpunk> with convertions
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1983[15:57:18] <shtrb> If I'm paying for ink I should at
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1984[15:57:36] <gpunk> yeah beafore the cardridge dryes !
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1990[15:58:29] <shtrb> for so many years I didn't need to
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1991[15:58:30] <gpunk> unfortunately
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1993[15:58:46] <gpunk> but maybe the scanner are better quality
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2029[16:17:41] <gpunk> i checked out imagemagik
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2030[16:17:50] <gpunk> it is definitly your freind
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is it intended to work?
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2180[17:06:25] <gpunk> is it ntp client ?
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2186[17:13:01] <pragomer> how can I decrease the
mbox-folder-files of thunderbird? even after having deleted 80% of
my emails the mbox size stays the same
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2191[17:15:59] <hans_> is the mini.iso only bootable from BIOS,
not UEFI ?
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2193[17:16:25] <Ke> I did boot some mini iso on aarch64 UEFI
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2195[17:16:52] <hans_> hmm ok
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2196[17:17:02] <hans_> did you boot from USB or CD?
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2197[17:17:07] <Ke> USB
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2198[17:17:29] <hans_> how did you format the USB?
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2199[17:17:35] <Ke> dd
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2200[17:17:51] <Ke> ie. no format
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2201[17:17:54] <hans_> dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdb basically?
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2202[17:17:58] <Ke> yes
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2203[17:18:01] <hans_> thanks
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2231[17:37:48] <mason> Hey, I'm curious, Ubuntu is
deprecating ifupdown, and I heard a rumour Debian was going to do
this as well, but the search engines aren't enlightening me. Is
there anything to this?
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2243[17:44:14] <somiaj> mason: ifconfig has been depreacted for a
while. Currently the ifup/ifdown scripts in debian use ip, and I
haven't heard of any plan for debian to stop supporting the
ifup/ifdown scripts with the interfaces file. Though there are other
ways to configure the network in debian.
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2257[17:53:00] <mason> somiaj: Yeah, that matches what I've
found. I might end up using Debian where I use Ubuntu in some roles
today. I really like ifupdown.
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2258[17:53:06] <mason> and /etc/network/interfaces
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2259[17:53:23] <mason> ty
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2265[17:57:29] <pragomer> i want to install and use debian
testing as a rolling productive system. which iso to take now?
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2266[17:58:08] <mason> pragomer: Testing isn't meant for
production. Start with a stable and roll forward, though, if you
want.
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2267[17:58:24] <somiaj> pragomer: you do realize you will get
lots of bugs and the security support in testing can take 10+ days
to get fixes?
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2269[17:58:43] <somiaj> pragomer: and the standard advise is if
you don't know how to install testing you probably
shouldn't. Anyways use the stable isntaller and dist-upgrade
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2270[17:59:09] <pragomer> mm.. i always used stable.. but i
wanted to be a bit more "on the edge".. and my thougths
were: testing rolling will always be more stable then e.g. ubuntu
and so.
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2271[17:59:14] <pragomer> isnt that a right thesis?
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2273[17:59:39] <nkuttler> testing is not a rolling release
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2278[18:00:27] <pragomer> mm... can I use debian as a rolling
release the is more "bleeding edge" like for example arch
or tumbleweed? (these are greate but I like debian so much)
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2280[18:00:34] <somiaj> pragomer: testing is a constantly moving
target where new packages get thrown into it with the conditions 1)
Package has been in sid for 10+ days with no rc bugs. 2) the package
is isntallable using depends in testing.
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2286[18:01:10] <somiaj> pragomer: you can run testing or sid and
have your packages completely move, but it is not considered a
release, and the quality control is poor by debian standards (since
this is the quality control part of the development process)
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2291[18:01:47] <l9> i have a port that i have tunneled too my
server how can i make that port accessible to others
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2292[18:01:48] <somiaj> pragomer: standard advise is don't
use testing for a production system if uptime is important.
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2296[18:02:14] <somiaj> l9: what do you mean tunneled to your
server? You mean using some router that connects to the internet to
forward/tunnel the port?
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2298[18:02:35] <pragomer> uptime is not sooo important.. i know
to reinstall a debian stable with all my config within 2 hours or to
recover an image.. so... i would not be thus important..
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2301[18:03:17] <pragomer> just dont know if I want to try it out:
take sid or testing? to have a comparable rolling thing like
tumbleweed or arch?
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2302[18:03:21] <somiaj> pragomer: if you like to play around and
fix things as they break, testing might be for you. Note the slow
security support is something you should keep your eye on.
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2304[18:03:42] <somiaj> pragomer: testing and sid each have their
own slightly different flavor, but can both be considered moving.
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2305[18:03:42] <pragomer> ok thanks
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2306[18:03:43] <l9> somiaj: i have a ssh tunnel on port 8096 to
this computer so that i can access that port with localhost:8096 but
i want the network to be able to reach it on 10.0.0.1 port 8096
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2307[18:04:01] <l9> using ssh config
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2309[18:04:13] <buu> Is there any good comprehensive monitoring
software for amd/tr4?
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2310[18:04:13] <somiaj> pragomer: sid gets packages with little
to no testing, and could contain bugs that completely take out your
system after an upgrade. testing at least has 10+ days of a package
in sid to spot any of the errors.
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2311[18:04:40] <pragomer> ok so this is a little difference that
is good to know ;-)
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2315[18:05:27] <somiaj> pragomer: testing has sid as a cushion
and blocks a lot of bugs, and packages in testing are always
guarnteed to be installable (not so in sid), but there is a dely of
10+ days for new packages, and large transitions can make this delay
take even longer.
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2317[18:06:08] <somiaj> l9: why are you using ssh to tunnel and
not say iptables?
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2319[18:06:37] <somiaj> l9: I think only users with ssh access
can access the tunnel as it is encrypted, but I'm a bit fuzzy
on the details here.
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2321[18:07:04] <l9> somiaj: well the port is forwarded from
china, and the server in china only allows me to connect with that
ssh connectino
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2323[18:07:24] <somiaj> l9: so you want to let other people use
your ssh tunnel?
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2324[18:08:03] <l9> somiaj: yes i want other clients inside my
network too reach the port 8096
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2328[18:09:07] <somiaj> l9:
replaced-url
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2332[18:09:22] <somiaj> l9: that answer seems to suggest you can
have ssh listen on more than localhost.
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2334[18:09:54] <somiaj> though answer 2 seems to suggest as I
did, this is a strange way to go about port forwarding, but I'm
unsure on the details or your setup.
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2336[18:10:44] <l9> well almost i think... huh netstat isnt
default installed on debian ?
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2337[18:11:07] <somiaj> ss is the replacement
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2340[18:11:28] <somiaj> you can still install it from net-tools,
but netstat is considered one of the depecriated nettools
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2346[18:14:11] <l9> awsome :) i solved it by using -o
GatewayPorts=yes
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2347[18:14:33] <l9> why has netstat become depricated?
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2351[18:16:16] <somiaj> l9: just being replaced with the more
modern tool, all part of iproute2 (ifconfig is depericated in favor
of ip, and so on)
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2353[18:16:34] <somiaj> the tools are still around, and work, and
won't be going anywhere soon, they just are now optional
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2355[18:17:19] <l9> i like the ifconfig and netstat makes my days
easier when changing from bsd to debian and back :P
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2358[18:18:51] <mason> l9: Yeah, ip is shiny and ifconfig
isn't, and that's largely the rationalle. And on top of
that, ip is being pushed aside by NetworkManager. Just agitate if
anyone threatens to remove the packages entirely and we'll
likely keep them for years.
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2359[18:18:52] <buu> *deprecated
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2362[18:19:58] <l9> mason: I am not that found of all these shiny
new toys, but i can see why tho
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2363[18:20:03] <l9> buu: thanks :)
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2377[18:25:20] <Megaf> Greetings folks, wish an amazing year. How
can I make apt use a socksv5 proxy?
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2379[18:26:12] <Megaf> I will be google as well while waiting for
suggestions.
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2380[18:26:27] <l9> somiaj, mason, buu thank you, and happy new
years :)
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2381[18:26:32] <bolovanos> happy new year
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2383[18:26:36] <mason> l9: Happy new year. :)
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2389[18:28:09] <bolovanos> I have Stretch(64bit) in virtual box
on W1064bit, I am trying to "su root" but it ignores my
pass (this pass was working few weeks ago - taken from keePass..)
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2392[18:28:29] <bolovanos> is this known issue?
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2402[18:30:12] <jhutchins> l9:
replaced-url
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2404[18:30:31] <jhutchins> bolovanos: What do you mean it ignores
it?
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2405[18:30:52] <bolovanos> su: Authentication failure
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2408[18:31:21] <jhutchins> The correct form is "su -"
(You can use just su but that's sloppy and leads to dangerous
habits.)
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2409[18:31:22] <SSD-newbie> Happy GNU Year!
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2410[18:31:32] <jhutchins> bolovanos: See if it works with that.
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2414[18:32:03] <bolovanos> su -
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2415[18:32:03] <bolovanos> Password:
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2416[18:32:03] <bolovanos> su: Authentication failure
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2418[18:32:07] <bolovanos> :/
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2420[18:32:16] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Do you have sudo
configured?
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2422[18:32:24] <bolovanos> it does not work either for ssh
user@localhost
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2425[18:32:45] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Your ordinary user can log
in though?
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2426[18:32:53] <bolovanos> jhutchins, it was set up from
installation and it was working 3 weeks ago
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2430[18:33:26] <jhutchins> bolovanos: That doesn't answer
whether your regular user can log in. Check on a console -
Ctrl-alt-F1
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2431[18:33:31] <bolovanos> jhutchins, yes one of the users have
key authentication
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2432[18:33:40] <bolovanos> this one is able to log in
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2436[18:34:00] <bolovanos> but the other one which does not have
key auth setup is not accessbile
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2437[18:34:12] <jhutchins> bolovanos: ssh access only?
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2438[18:34:19] <bolovanos> yes
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2439[18:34:34] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Any chance someone else got
in and messed with it?
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2446[18:35:43] <bolovanos> jhutchins, nobody from my network is
capable of that -
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2448[18:36:50] <Kristjan> I'm in urgent need for money.
Please help me. Send to my paypal account(My e-mail:
kristjanrobam@hotmail.com) or bank account: EE671010010225901016.
Name: Kristjan Robam. Thanks!
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2450[18:37:08] <bolovanos> sometimes the VBox is not being turned
off properly (just restart of parent OS) - maybe login settings for
those acc are corrupted?
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2451[18:37:10] <SSD-newbie> I understand that NVme SSD needs UEFI
but is my SSD an NVMe device? My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series
MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive
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2452[18:37:32] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Yeah, authentication method
is brokenn.
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2453[18:37:39] <sim590> My wireless card lets me associate with
an access point, but I can't get packets on the network. The
network works well on other devices presently. Ethernet works fine.
How can I diagnose the issue?
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2454[18:37:47] <sim590> dmesg doesn't seem to show anything
relevant.
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2455[18:38:06] <jhutchins> bolovanos: I'm not coming up with
any way to recover without root, which would require physical
access.
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2457[18:38:34] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Unless you have sudo set up
- which you have't said yet.
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2460[18:39:12] <s1_> does anyone know if the pixel 2 is supported
with MTP?
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2461[18:39:52] <s1_>
replaced-url
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2462[18:39:59] <bolovanos> jhutchins, I said that sudo was
working by the time I setup the system - I was normally using it
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2464[18:40:27] <bolovanos> jhutchins, what other way which need
physical access (the last thing I have) would you recommend?
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2466[18:40:31] <Kristjan> I'm in urgent need for money.
Please help me. Send to my paypal account(My e-mail:
kristjanrobam@hotmail.com) or bank account: EE671010010225901016.
Name: Kristjan Robam. Thanks!
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2467[18:40:46] <s1_> how do I get the PID/VID of the pixel 2?
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2468[18:40:58] <s1_> dmesg/lsusb shows nothing
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2471[18:41:58] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Oh, if sudo works just sudo
-i and look at the system, look at /var/log/auth.log and dmesg and
syslog, try resetting the root password.
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2474[18:42:30] <jhutchins> s1_: Are you maybe looking for the
lsbid?
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2477[18:43:09] <s1_> I have no idea what they want, I can't
find any logs of this either
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2479[18:43:20] <s1_> nothing isin /var/log/*
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2481[18:43:37] <jhutchins> s1_: If dmesg doesn't show
anything when you connect it then it's not in USB mode. You
might be able to detect it with a photo app with MTP can see it. You
might need to put it in share mode to enable a data connection.
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2482[18:43:40] <bolovanos> jhutchins, sudo -i \n [sudo] password
for XYZ: \n XYZ is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be
reported.
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2483[18:43:48] <bolovanos> auth.log is accessible only for root
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2484[18:43:57] <jhutchins> Ach.
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2485[18:43:58] <bolovanos> ok - I am doomed
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2487[18:44:03] <bolovanos> :/
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2488[18:44:05] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Very nearly.
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2489[18:44:15] <s1_> what apps support mtp?
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2490[18:44:21] <jhutchins> try setting the password for the user
who can get in with passwd
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2491[18:44:28] <s1_> it is in USB mode
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2492[18:44:31] <s1_> I tried all of them
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2493[18:44:41] <jhutchins> s1_: I know some of the photo apps do,
but not which.
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2494[18:44:59] <jhutchins> s1_: Bad port or cable?
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2495[18:45:13] <bolovanos> I would be happy to know what happened
to avoid it next time - this way I am blind and it can happen again
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2496[18:45:14] <s1_> no
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2497[18:45:18] <s1_> its "charging" right now
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2498[18:45:19] <jhutchins> dpkg: tell bolovanos about ifrp
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2499[18:45:37] <jhutchins> dpkg: botsnack
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2500[18:45:37] <s1_> it uses USB C, I dont have my USB A
connector
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2501[18:45:38] <dpkg> :), jhutchins
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2502[18:45:43] <jhutchins> Hrm.
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2503[18:45:49] <jhutchins> !ifrp
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2504[18:45:49] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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2505[18:45:59] <s1_> does gimp support MTP?
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2506[18:46:21] <bolovanos> anyway thank you for assist jhutchins!
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2507[18:46:24] <s1_> xsane doesn't see any devices
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2508[18:46:56] <s1_> I suppose it could be a bad port, but I
doubt it
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2509[18:47:01] <jhutchins> bolovanos: So that procedure requres
physical access, but at least you can get to it.
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2514[18:47:28] <jhutchins> bolovanos: You could try blindly
rebooting it, or since you say it's virtual just power cycle
it.
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2515[18:47:39] <s1_> typical google, ripoff the linux kernel,
re-sell and don't support linux
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2517[18:48:25] <Ke> spice support seems to be disabled in debian
buster/sid qemu-system-aarch64, does anyone know anything about this
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2518[18:48:37] <bolovanos> jhutchins, great will try it - not
now, because it will take some time to backup VM and other stuff,
but it looks promising :)
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2522[18:50:01] <jhutchins> s1_: There's this, but it
suggests you might need the Android SDK:
replaced-url
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2524[18:50:16] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Good that you're
making a backup!
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2525[18:50:33] <s1_> I already did that
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2527[18:50:48] <s1_> I dont need the android SDK for the linux
kernel
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2532[18:53:32] <SSD-newbie> The info on
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2534[18:55:30] <fasdfd> <SSD-newbie>, it's totally
safe
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2536[18:55:45] <s1_> later
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2539[18:56:00] <fasdfd> if you did that >every< day then
that may damage drive after many months
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2541[18:56:12] <eeboaz> I would just load the data -- it should
not make an actual difference to load the data (especially if
it's static)
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2543[18:56:34] <eeboaz> if you're going to be rewriting that
data often, then you might have problems long term
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2551[18:58:59] <SSD-newbie> The 100 GB is static data, pdfs and
videos that are not going to be edited. Is it safe to transfer the
whole 100GB in one day? No, i am not going to transfer 40 GB of data
every day.
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2553[18:59:55] <SSD-newbie> My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series
MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive. Is
my drive NVMe?
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2562[19:01:47] <styks1987> Does CRON_TZ work on debian jessie? It
isn’t working for me and I wanted to check and see if it was
user error or something else.
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2574[19:07:08] <SSD-newbie> My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series
MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive and
want to install Debian 9, shall i do a UEFI or a Legacy
installation?
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2575[19:07:19] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: Modern SSD drives (which
pretty much means anything that hasn't alredy died) don't
really need optimization.
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2578[19:07:49] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: High-volume writes were
only a problem when they were random writes as opposed to a steady
stream of data.
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2580[19:08:25] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, thanks for the info. shall
i do a UEFI or a Legacy installation?
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2582[19:09:25] <mason> SSD-newbie: Little reason to do legacy
nowadays.
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2584[19:09:32] <SSD-newbie> The Micron 1100 Series
MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive is my
laptop's ONLY storage device. Debian 9 will be the only OS on
my laptop. I will NOT dual boot
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2585[19:09:45] <annadane> as far as i can tell (which isn't
much) you can basically run SDDs and HDDs the same way these days
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2586[19:09:59] <annadane> it's basically the same number of
writes
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2587[19:10:03] <mason> Except for passing discards.
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2588[19:10:08] <annadane> SSDs*
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2589[19:10:16] <annadane> discards?
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2590[19:10:25] <mason> TRIM
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2591[19:11:02] <annadane>
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2592[19:11:04] <annadane> apparently
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2593[19:11:17] <mason> Yes, that.
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2594[19:11:42] <mason> Depending on the FS, scheduling the
occasional fstrim is a good idea.
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2596[19:12:18] <annadane> (and of course storage is more
expensive in SSDs but that's an economics and not a technology
thing)
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2601[19:13:53] <SSD-newbie> mason, so you recommend doing a UEFI
installation instead of a Legacy one? What would be the benefits of
UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB and my
decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
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2602[19:13:54] <jhutchins> We have an entire multi-terabyte SSD
NAS system.
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2603[19:14:16] <mason> SSD-newbie: Potential for SecureBoot.
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2605[19:15:08] <jhutchins> mason: Which you don't want, as
the whole idea for SecureBoot was to prevent people from installing
Linux.
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2609[19:15:45] <mason> jhutchins: Well. That's FUD.
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2610[19:16:10] <mason> My laptop sitting on my desk here is
running Linux and SecureBoot *right now*.
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2615[19:16:54] <jhutchins> mason: Right. The industry
wouldn't put up with it, and Microsoft figured out what would
happen to their anti-trust lawsuits, so they "fixed" it.
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2616[19:17:02] <doublehp> what are the equivalent of minicom ? I
am running a liveCD and it does not include minicom ... but there
probably is an equivalent installed under an other name
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2617[19:17:16] <jhutchins> mason: What do you think SecureBoot
protects you from?
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2620[19:17:45] <mason> jhutchins: You'd have some fun
researching the particular threat model it addresses, so I
won't spoil that.
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2621[19:18:03] <jhutchins> doublehp: Probably not. Serial
communication isn't much of a thing these days, not likely to
find it on the Live images.
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2622[19:18:12] <jhutchins> mason: Meaning you have no idea.
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2623[19:18:19] <mason> jhutchins: Happy New Year
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2624[19:18:42] <annadane> i wonder if debian can autodetect
whether a drive in SSD, i feel it can/does
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2625[19:18:47] <annadane> s/in/is
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2626[19:18:50] <doublehp> jhutchins: if you knew ...
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2628[19:19:13] <SSD-newbie> Since I will not enable SecureBoot,
my question remains the same. UEFI or Legacy ? What would be the
benefits of UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB
and my decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
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2629[19:20:03] <mason> SSD-newbie: Beats me then. You seem to
have enough information to decide on your own.
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2630[19:20:03] <doublehp> jhutchins: most mobile phones (and
especially smartphones) include at least 2 serial ports, 3 I2C bus,
and several other SPI bus ...
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2631[19:20:39] <doublehp> jhutchins: fortunately ... I can
aptitude install on that system
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2636[19:22:14] <SSD-newbie> mason, no i do not
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2637[19:22:20] <jhutchins> doublehp: Yeah, but actually using a
serial port as a communication device - like over a modem to a
router or something - is pretty rare. I know you can do it without
minicom, but I'm not sure of the details. I think you can start
some of the terminal emulators, or getty, on a connection to a
serial port.
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2641[19:23:19] <mason> doublehp: You can use screen for the
purpose.
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2644[19:23:29] <mason> Worth having screen installed anyway, so
there you go.
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2652[19:24:32] <doublehp> mason: you are right; it's the
best time for me to undust my VT100 :) 12y without using it ...
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2653[19:24:46] <Satou> Hello. Is there a way for me to list all
the packages that I've installed manually with dpkg and that
are not in the repository?
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2654[19:24:54] <mason> doublehp: I mean GNU screen.
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2655[19:25:01] <mason> But yes, that too. :P
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2656[19:25:03] <annadane> !frankendebian
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2657[19:25:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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2658[19:25:08] <annadane> Satou, ^
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2660[19:25:25] <doublehp> mason: and the point of Orange Pi Zero
is ... to not include an expensive DVI plug like the Raspberry Pi
... thats why oPi are much cheaper
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2661[19:25:28] <Satou> annadane, I know that's not the
"Debian way" of installing packages. That's why I
want to find and remove them.
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2662[19:25:28] <annadane>
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2664[19:25:50] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
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2665[19:25:50] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if
you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list
(b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded
packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the
same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing
"b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no
more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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2668[19:26:29] <jhutchins> Satou: dpkg -l - if they're well
made, they'll have repo info.
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2669[19:26:41] <mason> doublehp: Ah, hadn't heard of the
Orange Pi. Neat. I'll look. I'd frankly be happier with
serial than the mini-DVI-thing for my purposes.
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2671[19:27:03] <doublehp> Satou: there is one: install the
bashlogger extension just after installing your system, fix
logrotate to never remove any log, and, zgrep your /var/log to check
what you typed in the past
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2672[19:27:54] <Satou> thank you jhutchins
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2673[19:28:12] <Satou> I maybe could list all the packages that
I've installed and use apt-list and compare them
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2676[19:29:38] <chovekoo> is there someone that tried drinking
gasoline?
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2677[19:29:55] <mason> doublehp: I got one for $5 locally, but
all the giblets to make it usable were more. Serial would help with
that.
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2680[19:32:24] <jhutchins> Satou: Have you allways pulled from
repositories, or have you downloaded and installed with dpkg?
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2681[19:32:43] <Satou> I did ocasionally install some software
using dpkg
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2684[19:33:20] <Satou> I think Firefox and a couple of other bits
of software.
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2685[19:34:38] <jhutchins> Satou: apd/dpkg don't preserve
that information when you install something. apt-cache policy
<package> or apt-cache showinfo <package> might tell
you.
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2688[19:35:05] <SSD-newbie> Since I will not enable SecureBoot,
my question remains the same. UEFI or Legacy ? What would be the
benefits of UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB
and my decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
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2689[19:35:05] <jhutchins> Satou: Probably not for direct
downloads (or packages that have been removed from the repo).
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2690[19:35:24] <Satou> jhutchins, I see, I'm going to do a
cleanup right now and delete packages that I don't use. Would
running apt-get purge <package> suffice removing a package
installed with dpkg?
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2694[19:35:47] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: It's up to you
really. You might want to read about the advantages of EFI. Apple
has been using it for a long time, and they don't tend to
design for multi-boot OSs.
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2695[19:36:00] <jhutchins> Satou: Should.
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2697[19:36:14] <Satou> jhutchins, Thank you.
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2701[19:38:00] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: I think one of the
difference is that it's a lot easier to update than a CMOS
BIOS. That assumes that your manufacturer provides updates.
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2708[19:40:09] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: It's supposed to boot
faster too. I'd recommend it, getting used to it is probably a
good idea.
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2710[19:40:51] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, can those updates be
installed on a Debian only laptop, that is a laptop that does not
have Windows?
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2718[19:45:11] <mason> SSD-newbie: Depends entirely on your UEFI
firmware.
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2721[19:45:45] <mason> Note that sometimes upgrading your
firmware can be a step backwards.
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2766[20:11:25] <rizonz> hi guys, Happy 2018!!
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2767[20:11:32] <rizonz> sorry I need this one ;)
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2768[20:11:33] <rizonz> !moo
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2769[20:11:33] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh
twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas
comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all!
type apt-get moo; aplay
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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2770[20:11:35] <dvs> bah!
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2771[20:12:06] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: Yes, that's one of
the advantages, it's a normal filesystem instead of a
programmable chip.
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2787[20:23:10] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, ok thank you. will attempt
the UEFI install later on today
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2790[20:23:56] <dvs> huh? you didn't do that alreayd?
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2793[20:24:51] <Megaf> $ cat ~/.bash_history | grep push
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2794[20:24:51] <Megaf> Binary file (standard input) matches
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2795[20:25:11] <Megaf> folks, for some weird reason my system
thinks my bash_history is a binary file
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2796[20:25:22] <Megaf> how can I tell it otherwise?
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2797[20:25:28] <nkuttler> maybe it is? what did you do to it?
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2798[20:25:44] <nkuttler> file ~/.bash_history ?
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2800[20:26:07] <Megaf> it says data nkuttler
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2801[20:26:26] <Megaf> I'm sure there must be some binary
data there from some echo command or dd
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2803[20:26:48] <nkuttler> remove it?
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2805[20:27:48] <Megaf> well, fixed
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2806[20:27:50] <jhutchins> Megaf: Probably not worth trying to
recover it, but you could run strings on it, or just open it with
less or an editor to see what it looks like.
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2807[20:27:56] <jhutchins> Megaf: rm?
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2808[20:27:58] <Megaf> found one line with some weird stuff
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2809[20:28:06] <Megaf> removed weird stuff, done
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2810[20:28:11] <jhutchins> Xlnt
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2811[20:28:14] <Megaf> edited it with nano
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2812[20:28:29] <Megaf> now file reports UTF-8 Unicode text, with
very long lines
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2813[20:29:01] <jhutchins> Megaf: Suggests further corruption.
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2814[20:29:20] <Megaf> There is some very long lines there...
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2815[20:29:28] <Megaf> cmake and make lines mostly
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2816[20:29:36] <jhutchins> Megaf: Legitimate?
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2817[20:29:51] <jhutchins> Usually "very long lines"
means more than 256 characters i think.
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2819[20:30:44] <Megaf> jhutchins: yup
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2829[20:35:35] <zu22> Happy New Year everyone!
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2832[20:36:06] * dvs still lives in 2017
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2833[20:36:16] <Logg> how
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2834[20:36:24] <dvs> denial
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2840[20:39:00] <bolovanos> jhutchins, back - I was trying to edit
my grub, added "init=/bin/sh" pressed f10 but it starts
with login screen ( I have already tested to add this
"init=/bin/bash" also - same result)
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2844[20:40:48] <bolovanos> I have tried to boot in rescue mode -
it does not boot straight into a shell, but one interresting thing
appeared
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2845[20:41:06] <bolovanos> found this
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2850[20:43:36] <bolovanos> do not remember locking my root acc
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2870[20:54:22] <EdePopede> so, good evening. finally i am about
to start upgrading my system. which means that i have to bring a 4TB
disk into a usable state. should become a data disk (there's a
1TB for the system) with not too big partitions (unluckily i have to
REISUB and later fsck regularly, and even on the 200GB partition it
takes horribly long).
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2872[20:56:21] <EdePopede> so far i did a testrun on a 1GB file,
which worked until i did mkfs partition 1. now it reports a corrupt
GPT. and before i do this to the disk i should know what could have
been wrong.
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2876[20:58:15] <evilsveta> my reportbug isn't working
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2878[20:58:38] <evilsveta> i write the bug report but it does not
email the bug anywhere and does not ask my email settings
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2884[21:02:41] <evilsveta> please help
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2887[21:03:26] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, i am at the partitioning
stage of the installation, do i have to you leave (unpartitioned)
free space on the 256GB SSD? how much?
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2890[21:06:54] <SSD-newbie> I have 8 GB of RAM and will not
perform memory intensive operations like video editing and I will
not hibernate either. Do i need to create a swap partition?
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2892[21:08:21] <ajbone> hello, after installing kali linux to my
hdd I get systemd-udevd taking 100% CPU. I don't have this
problem on a live boot. As soon as gnome desktop has loaded I get a
warning my hdd will likely fail soon. ive been unable to resolve the
problem myself or anywhere else so thought I'd try my luck
here. Any help appreciated, thanks.
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2894[21:08:45] <l3dx> what can I do to avoid having to
unload/load modules on every boot?
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2896[21:09:29] <EdePopede> SSD-newbie: i have 2GB and don't
have one for years now. i only get problems when i keep fakebook
open for a bit longer. btw, how do you partition? MBR or GPT?
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2901[21:11:03] <SSD-newbie> Is a 30 GB / partition too big? I
have another laptop which uses a standard mechanical drive and the /
partition is 12GB and i have used just half of it.
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2904[21:11:41] <SSD-newbie> EdePopede, i am performing a UEFI
installation
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2908[21:14:11] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, i am at the partitioning
stage of the installation, do i have to you leave (unpartitioned)
free space on the 256GB SSD? how much?
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2912[21:16:03] <EdePopede> 30 GB for root? mine is half as big,
/home of course not included. without the installed packages i still
keep in /var/cache/apt it would use around 7GB. libreoffice and java
included, but no huge devel environment or sources and the like.
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2913[21:18:59] <SSD-newbie> EdePopede, do you use that
partitioning set up on a SSD and with Debian 9 as your only OS?
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2917[21:21:35] <EdePopede> SSD-newbie: nope. i am about to
install stable (maybe testing, hm) and still don't use SSD. but
at least it is the only os
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2918[21:21:44] <CobHead> Mount /var somewhere else that is not an
SSD :d
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2919[21:21:57] <CobHead> Log writing and the like
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2921[21:23:47] <EdePopede> what about mounting root readonly? i
think i did this in the stone age
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2923[21:24:58] <SSD-newbie> i am at the partitioning stage of the
debian 9 installation, my partition table is as follows: 1.0 FREE
SPACE, 536MB ESP (bootable), 21GB / ext4 , 190.5GB /home ext4, 44GB
FREE SPACE (at the end of the SSD drive)
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2925[21:25:52] <SSD-newbie> Is that partitioning setup ok? Am i
leaving too much (unpartitioned) free space on the 256GB SSD?
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2926[21:26:06] <evilsveta> i tried `find . -name *reportbug*`, no
results, where does it store its settings ?
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2928[21:26:24] <evilsveta> please confirm you're seeing the
queston, i'm not seeing any responses
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2929[21:27:17] <EdePopede> evilsveta: did you quote
'*reportbug'?
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2932[21:28:05] <metax> ,w docker
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2941[21:31:32] <bolovanos> pff this will end up with same notice
"Cannot open access to console, th root account is
locked."
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2943[21:32:23] <bolovanos>
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2948[21:34:23] <notadrop> do any of you use the grsec kernel with
a graphical environment for everyday computing?
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2955[21:36:53] <notadrop> is that maybe overkill?
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2956[21:37:01] <isabellasissy> Hi :)
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2957[21:37:14] <notadrop> also,
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2960[21:37:19] <isabellasissy> Should I go with debian-testing or
debian-unstable?
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2962[21:37:35] <isabellasissy> I've always stuck with Debian
Buster, but aparently Debian-Unstable is more supported.
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2968[21:39:45] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: python3.4
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2969[21:39:45] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: I don't know, could you
explain it?
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2972[21:40:25] <HeXiLeD> what is the name for python3.4 in
stretch ?
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2975[21:41:46] <notadrop> so you want to use an older version of
python3
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2983[21:42:51] <jelly> ,v python3.4
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2984[21:42:52] <judd> Package: python3.4 on amd64 -- jessie:
3.4.2-1
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2985[21:43:01] <jelly> HeXiLeD, there is none
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2986[21:43:01] <isabellasissy1> Hi.
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2988[21:44:02] <notadrop> HeXiLeD: is there some reason you need
3.4, not 3.5.3?
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2989[21:44:16] <jelly> ,v python3
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2990[21:44:17] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4~rc1-2;
sid: 3.6.4-1
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2991[21:44:47] <HeXiLeD> notadrop: yah. compiling a package that
needs 3.4
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2992[21:45:08] <jelly> then debian 9 is the wrong platform to
choose
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2994[21:46:26] <notadrop> the only releases I see on python.org
are macOS, Windows and source. doesn't look like they offer a
binary of 3.4 that you could download
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2995[21:46:30] <isabellasissy1> How can I start contributing to
Debian?
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3000[21:47:45] <HeXiLeD> i think i can solve the py issue. What
package provides charset ?
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3001[21:47:47] <nkuttler> isabellasissy1: install it, use it,
report bugs
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3002[21:47:55] <HeXiLeD> ,v charset
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3003[21:47:56] <judd> No package named 'charset' was
found in amd64.
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3007[21:49:01] <nkuttler> !tell HeXiLeD about apt-file
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3009[21:50:14] <notadrop> I find this useful:
replaced-url
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3011[21:50:30] <notadrop> whenever I want to do something with
apt that I don't already know how to do, I look here
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3040[22:03:44] <rant> I ask you what time it is because I'm
waiting for the bus and dont have a watch.. now you gotta stop and
be my time kesomething just occured to me. I'm on a hotspot and
I use a remote host to irc because I can't stay connected to
irc for crap from here, my ssh is fine but its a little laggy at
times. I was sitting here thinking, IRC tolerates high latency so
why is this so.. and it occured to me IRC remains
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3041[22:03:50] <rant> connected based on pings, and idk if this
is related, but I cannot ping from this machine. ping -c1 google.com
gives me "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted"
any thoughts on this issue or if this is related to my connection
problems?
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3042[22:04:13] <rant> oops. sorry about that first part of the
message was apparently a stale message fom hours ago :P
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3044[22:05:30] <rant> now I dont think an icmp packet and an irc
ping are the same, but perhaps this issue with icmp could be related
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3052[22:07:00] <evilsveta> EdePopede: i didn't quote it but
quoting it does not help
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3090[22:19:53] <notadrop> rant: you might get an answer in
##networking
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3093[22:21:08] <hans_> rant, 21:21 UTC
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3095[22:21:21] <hans_> srsly guys cant u just tell him the time
already?
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3097[22:22:12] <rant> you mean me?.. my clock is correct
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3099[22:22:37] <rant> though my system has no rtc
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3100[22:22:47] <hans_> oh cool
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3101[22:22:50] <hans_> what kinda system is that
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3102[22:22:51] <Brigo> rant, about you icmp problem, your user
lack the permissions.
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3104[22:23:19] <rant> Brigo: yep, gathered that.. just didnt know
permissions to what exactly.. figured I'd ask before I tried
doing it the hard way by stracing
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3106[22:23:52] <Brigo> rant, you need root permissions for that,
usually ping runs suid.
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3108[22:24:08] <Brigo> not not if that was the term :m
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3109[22:24:29] <rant> really? I didnt know ping required root
permissions
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3111[22:25:11] <Brigo> rant, ir maybe i'm wrong?
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3112[22:25:12] <notadrop> it doesn't
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3113[22:25:22] <notadrop> or it shouldn't
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3114[22:25:35] <rant> well Brigo is suggesting its suppose to be
suid root
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3115[22:25:54] <notadrop> I assume we're just talking about
the 'ping' command
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3116[22:26:01] <notadrop> it doesn't need root
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3117[22:26:08] <rant> it DOES work as root, but not as my user
and I'm not sure what permissions are lacking, but if nobody
knows, I'll just have to strace and find out
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3125[22:26:16] <notadrop> oh okay
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3126[22:26:20] <notadrop> I don't know then
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3127[22:26:34] <Brigo> i am right:
replaced-url
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3129[22:27:00] <Brigo> you have to setuid ping if you want to run
it as a normal user.
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3130[22:28:23] <rant> thats very odd.. I've never done that
before.. it must've been default normally and gotten fudged
somehow if thats true
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3134[22:28:50] <Brigo> well, i have to say my ping isn't
setuid and runs as normal user.
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3136[22:29:00] <Brigo> maybe my user have some special
permissions.
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3138[22:31:14] <Brigo> there is another way, safer:
replaced-url
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3139[22:31:29] * rant shrugs
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3140[22:31:34] <awal1> my ping isn't setuid, but I can ping
as regular user
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3141[22:32:16] <rant> group perms wouldnt be relevant to the
binary itself its -rwx-r-x-rx root root
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3142[22:32:48] <Brigo> much better explanation:
replaced-url
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3147[22:33:24] <awal1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 61240 nov 10 2016
/bin/ping
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3155[22:36:36] <denton> hey having trouble with nvidia driver on
Dell XPS 15 9530... can anyone help?
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3160[22:38:18] <rant> DebianN00b: first don't change nick
right after asking a question, and be more specific.. are we talking
the debian nvidia packages, what version of debian, what is the
problem you are having ?
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3162[22:38:55] <rant> also don't direct your question at me,
I'm having high lag right now.. heh
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3170[22:42:25] <DebianN00b> sorry... using siduction (debian
unstable) because of rolling release. yes i'm talking about
debian nvidia (nonfree) packages. problem: installed all packages,
after reboot no GUI
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3173[22:43:32] <rant> DebianN00b: siduction? is that actually a
thing or is that just your term?
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3177[22:44:43] <Arahael> siduction looks like an actual distro.
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3180[22:44:47] <Arahael> It's not sid.
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3181[22:44:58] <rant> then thats way off topic even for
#debian-next
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3183[22:45:29] <Arahael> It's "based on debian
unstable", but that's about it. It's still a separate
distro.
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3184[22:46:17] <rant> DebianN00b: short answer, you're not
using Debian, and you probably should be.. we have a large support
community and good working software. If you're interested in
discussing your reasons for using some bastardized version of our
most unstable packages so we can maybe find a better solution for
you, that's on topic here.
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3185[22:46:53] <rant> Arahael: did you happen to see any mention
of a support channel / network for them?
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3186[22:46:57] <Psyb3rN4ut> Arahael: siduction IS debian
sid...only a couple startup scripts and different installer
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3187[22:47:15] <coruja> DebianN00b, why don't you ask in
#siduction (on oftc network)?
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3188[22:47:30] <Psyb3rN4ut> Arahael: the repos are all debian
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3189[22:47:30] <n4dir> The discussion is pointless. This channel
doesn't support it.
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3190[22:48:00] <Carno> and a different kernel, which us the piont
here ;-) AFAIR there is a proposed solution @ siduction forum
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3191[22:48:08] <Psyb3rN4ut> coruja: the liklihood of a solution
is greater here due to larger user base
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3192[22:48:31] <coruja> i doubt this as siduction isn't
supported here
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3193[22:48:36] <rant> the discussion is not pointless if the user
is willing to backpedal to their reasons for choosing siduction, but
if they want support on their issues with it, then yeah, they need
to go get support on OFTC
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3197[22:49:57] <rant> Psyb3rN4ut: thats why we encourage users to
use our stable distro which is what we support here.. and we help
them find other solutions to issues that cause them to use other
things
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3198[22:50:09] <jhutchins> We don't actually support sid
here, except for generic problems.
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3199[22:50:27] <rant> more often than not people not using stable
are doing it for the wrong reasons and there are better solutions
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3204[22:51:40] <coruja> he just should ask for support in the
right channel, that's all
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3205[22:52:05] <coruja> it's not our task to tell users what
to use
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3206[22:52:09] <Arahael>
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3208[22:52:54] <rant> coruja: its not our task to tell them what
to use, but it is our task to help them if they're using the
wrong thing because they dont know how to accomplish something they
want to do on stable
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3209[22:52:55] <Psyb3rN4ut> rant: i personally support DebianN00b
with all his issues....just avoid nvidia all together myself so have
never used bumblebee or any of the related hassle
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3211[22:53:19] <Psyb3rN4ut> rant: we are now asking on #siduction
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3212[22:53:27] <petn-randall> !siduction
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3213[22:53:27] <dpkg> somebody said siduction was a distribution
that is <based on Debian> sid. It is not supported in #debian.
Try #siduction on irc.oftc.net.
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3214[22:53:28] <rant> Python1320: kudos.
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3215[22:53:40] <Psyb3rN4ut> petn-randall: sorry
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3217[22:53:51] <rant> fwiw, to further discuss support theology
of sorts, we can do that in #debian-offtopic :P
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3220[22:55:47] <Psyb3rN4ut> the sid channel on oftc is really
quite silent...not many users to answer there
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3222[22:56:08] <Carno> Psyb3rN4ut,
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3224[22:56:23] <Arahael> Why do some people prefer rolling
releases, anyway?
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3226[22:56:34] <petn-randall> Psyb3rN4ut: It might have less talk
in there, but pretty much all the long-time people in here are also
there.
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3228[22:56:50] <Psyb3rN4ut> have had faster responses from
SirCmPwn...hehe
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3229[22:57:01] <Psyb3rN4ut> petn-randall: ok...cool
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3230[22:57:09] <SirCmpwn> sorry?
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3240[22:58:46] <benbro1> is it possible to install a package from
buster/sid on stretch?
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3241[22:58:47] <benbro1>
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3242[22:58:52] <Psyb3rN4ut> SirCmpwn: on wayl*** channel....not
always much action over there....no offense intended...you rock for
wayl***
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3243[22:59:07] <benbro1> I need the newer version on google-cloud
which only have debian 8 and 9 images
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3248[22:59:25] <petn-randall> ,v coturn
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3249[22:59:26] <judd> Package: coturn on amd64 -- jessie:
4.2.1.2-1; jessie-backports: 4.5.0.2-3~bpo8+1; stretch:
4.5.0.5-1+b1; buster: 4.5.0.7-1; sid: 4.5.0.7-1
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3254[23:00:13] <jhutchins> benbro1: That's because Google
doesn't want you running broken stuff in their cloud.
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3255[23:00:14] <petn-randall> benbro1: The sid package is only
two bugfix releases higher, high version do you need specifically?
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3257[23:00:19] <jhutchins> !ssb
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3258[23:00:19] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3259[23:00:35] <petn-randall> *which
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3260[23:00:45] <dvs> witch
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3261[23:00:46] <benbro1> petn-randall: I think I do. need to
check
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3263[23:01:27] <benbro1> jhutchins: I don't see backports on
the package page
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3264[23:02:22] <petn-randall> benbro1: That's why
there's a "If unavailable" part in the factoid.
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3265[23:02:53] <jhutchins> benbro1: There isn't a version of
coturn on stretc-backports anyway.
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3267[23:03:18] <SirCmpwn> k
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3270[23:05:45] <jhutchins> benbro1: backports only happen if
there's a significant new feature or fix, so there probably
isn't anything.
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3274[23:06:04] <benbro1> petn-randall: I don't understand
the if
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3278[23:06:37] <petn-randall> benbro1: First of all, what exact
feature do you need from coturn, which isn't available in
stable?
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3279[23:06:51] <petn-randall> benbro1: If that feature isn't
in sid, backporting won't help much.
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3280[23:07:18] <benbro1> I'm getting an error: "TLS/TCP
socket buffer operation error"
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3281[23:07:26] <benbro1> and hope it got fixed in a newer release
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3282[23:07:39] <benbro1>
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3285[23:07:59] <benbro1> it says fixed in 4.5.06 but I think I
need higher version
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3298[23:10:50] <petn-randall> benbro1: So it seems that it is
fixed in the version in sid. So backporting it would indeed fix the
issue.
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3300[23:11:10] <petn-randall> benbro1: What part about about the
factoid don't you understand?
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3304[23:12:41] <benbro1> 1. Add a deb-src line for sid - ok
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3305[23:13:09] <benbro1> 2. enable debian-backports. ptitude
update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep
packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; - ok
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3310[23:13:32] <benbro1> ok. I think I get it. I'll try.
thanks
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3314[23:14:34] <petn-randall> benbro1: You'll end up
building the package on your local machine, and in the end
you'll have a .deb file that contains the updated version,
compiled for stretch.
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3316[23:14:47] <benbro1> cool. I'll try it
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3318[23:15:17] <petn-randall> benbro1: Keep in mind though that
you have to keep track of updates yourself that way, so it's a
bit more maintainence burden that way.
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3320[23:16:18] <benbro1> ok
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3321[23:16:30] <benbro1> in few months we will have new release
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3328[23:18:58] <abrock> hi
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3330[23:19:51] <abrock> I have a problem with X: every time I
boot my PC the screen flickers for a few seconds before it goes
black (backlight on)
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3334[23:20:33] <abrock> Usually it helps to switch to another
consolse (ctrl alt f1) and back (ctrl alt f7)
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3335[23:20:51] <abrock> but it only helps sometimes, and it
usually takes several tries
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3338[23:21:49] <abrock> How can I debug it?
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3339[23:21:51] <Brigo> abrock, we'll need more information.
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3340[23:22:05] <Brigo> what debian version? what graphic card?
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3341[23:22:37] <abrock> geforce gtx 970 m
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3345[23:23:07] <abrock> debian testing (buster)
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3346[23:23:39] <abrock> laptop has intel graphic + nvidia but I
disabled the intel in the bios
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3352[23:25:30] <abrock> it doesn't occur when I suspend to
ram which I usually do
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3355[23:26:13] <abrock> I only properly reboot when I get a new
kernel or when I forget to plug the power in and the battery runs
out
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3356[23:26:53] <Brigo> abrock, same as me.
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3361[23:29:15] <abrock> whenever I switch to workspace 7 I get
either a flickering screen for a few seconds then black, or a normal
image except for the lower 10% of the screen for a few seconds then
black
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3362[23:29:34] <abrock> once black nothing else happens
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3365[23:29:56] <abrock> suspending to ram and wakeup also trigger
that behaviour
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3368[23:32:56] <abrock> I tried "service xdm stop" but
that command hangs forever
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3370[23:34:06] <abrock> once I get a stable image I have no more
problems at all until I reboot
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3395[23:45:06] <abrock> aaand it fixed itself as usual
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3400[23:45:30] <abrock> I hate it, it's difficult to debug
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