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• 1[00:00:25] <Superjuju10> Happy New Year!
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• 7[00:02:28] <Asoka> happy new year
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• 36[00:17:45] <remy> Happy New Year!!!
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• 38[00:18:40] <sercan> kdenlive instal ? error
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• 41[00:18:41] <sercan> ./kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage
• 42[00:18:43] <sercan> ?
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• 84[00:35:08] <awal1> thinking in use just wpa_supplicant (wpa_cli/wpagui) but not sure if it is a good idea
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• 89[00:37:08] <awal1> I know I'll use interfaces file but not sure about wpagui
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• 114[00:45:37] <RJo0> How do I fix it: I created a stretch PV but forgot to include a bridge in dom0. After adding a bridge to 'interfaces', do I delete the PV I just built or can I fix it some way? Machine: Debian 9.3, Xen 4.8.
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• 116[00:46:19] <Aphotica> how unstable is buster? just curious
• 117[00:46:21] <Aphotica> i know its testing
• 118[00:46:27] <Aphotica> wanted to see if anyone had used it
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• 122[00:48:37] <annadane> if by "unstable" you mean how often does it crash, the answer is not often
• 123[00:48:58] <annadane> assuming you know what you're doing and don't blindly install/remove packages
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• 149[00:59:20] <annadane> Aphotica, see also replaced-url
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• 156[01:02:22] <whitephoenix> Hi, I'm trying to get opencl working for cryptocurrency. Clinfo shows 1 platform but zero devices with my AMD R9 280 on a fresh stretch install. I've installed ocl-* and opencl*. I've been working on this for hours and am out of ideas.
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• 163[01:05:40] <whitephoenix> A common suggestion is install the proprietary AMD drivers but that just says it's incompatible with the xorg version
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• 185[01:22:08] <ngc0202_> hi, is there displayport support in debian? i'm using gnome
• 186[01:22:24] <ngc0202_> can't seem to find my new monitor in display devices
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• 226[01:48:20] <whitephoenix> I'm assuming I need the proprietary AMD drivers but it says "detected x server version 'xserver _64a' is not support". So can I somehow downgrade to a supported version?
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• 232[01:52:37] <awal1> if I use a new file for interfaces "/etc/network/interfaces.d/wlan0" , I dont need to change permissions for "/etc/network/interfaces", eh?
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• 277[02:28:05] <Guest34155> Hi, anyone has a link to a working guide to prepare a live debian with persistence on a usb stick?
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• 293[02:48:37] <kingsley> Where can I chat with debian developers who know gdb and valgrind fu?
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• 300[02:55:43] <iflema> kingsley: package or infrastructure
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• 306[02:57:06] <iflema> also #debian on oftc
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• 311[03:00:55] <kingsley> iflema: What are "package" and "infrastructure"? IRC channels? Email lists?
• 312[03:00:58] <donofrio> anyone here using a usermode android debian apk called "debian - noroot" do to daily things?
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• 315[03:02:25] <iflema> kingsley: your issue is with debian infrastructure or a bebian package or you just want a "debian developer"
• 316[03:04:15] <kingsley> iflema: I'd love to chat with a debian developer who knows how to use gdb and valgrind really well.
• 317[03:04:41] <kingsley> I want to level up at debugging other peoples' code.
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• 320[03:09:01] <iflema> kingsley: so you are familiar with C?
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• 322[03:09:27] <kingsley> iflema: A little.
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• 324[03:09:34] <iflema> that will help
• 325[03:09:37] <iflema> =)
• 326[03:09:53] <kingsley> I agree.
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• 328[03:10:15] <kingsley> But I still need to chat with a gdb/valgrind expert.
• 329[03:10:34] <somiaj> Might be a better approach to start reading documentation and then asking sepcific questions.
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• 417[03:54:55] <awal1> how to tell mpv to repeat songs indefinitely?
• 418[03:55:33] <awal1> If I am playing, say 2 songs, -L repeats indefinitely only the last song
• 419[03:56:08] <awal1> I want to loop both songs
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• 441[04:12:54] <Rembo> hello everyone, how can i install Clang ≥ 3.5 on debian 8 ?
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• 449[04:16:24] <jangs> Hey guys is Debian still supporting LMDE? is there a new distro coming out?
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• 451[04:16:58] <annadane> ,v lmde
• 452[04:16:59] <judd> No package named 'lmde' was found in amd64.
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• 454[04:17:18] <annadane> oh, that
• 455[04:17:18] <jangs> oh ok thanks
• 456[04:17:44] <jangs> yeah Linux Mint Debian Edition ?
• 457[04:17:45] <annadane> er... i think that's more of a mint thing? i'm afraid i don't know much about it
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• 459[04:17:56] <jangs> cool
• 460[04:18:02] <annadane> it would be more of a
• 461[04:18:05] <annadane> !based on debian
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• 463[04:18:05] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 464[04:18:06] <annadane> thing
• 465[04:18:25] <annadane> though you said is debian "still" supporting it, it's news to me that it ever did
• 466[04:18:59] <jangs> i see thats interesting
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• 470[04:20:26] <themill> We've never supported LMDE
• 471[04:21:08] <jangs> I believe a lot of the LMDE users have come back to pure Debian becuase of certain issues.
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• 480[04:28:18] <rue_shop> how can I tell what window manager I'm using?
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• 482[04:28:34] <nic_> it works? then its xfce
• 483[04:28:35] <rue_shop> it might be gnome-shell, but that dosn't seem to add up
• 484[04:28:45] <nic_> it's slow and ugly? gnome
• 485[04:29:06] <rue_shop> there is no minimize or maximize button, just close
• 486[04:29:29] <rue_shop> is there a command that will tell for sure?
• 487[04:29:31] <nic_> run neofetch
• 488[04:29:38] <nic_> or screenfetch
• 489[04:29:46] <nic_> but it's more likely you are using gnome 3
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• 491[04:30:11] <annadane> the default desktop on debian is gnome so if you just had "desktop environment" checked and nothing else then you have gnome
• 492[04:30:16] <rue_shop> no screenfetch
• 493[04:30:22] <jangs> sounds like gnome you have to add the minimization buttons in gnome tweaks
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• 495[04:30:25] <annadane> and yes, for those icons you'll need the tweak tool
• 496[04:30:26] <nic_> sudo apt-get install neofetch
• 497[04:30:47] <rue_shop> but gconf-editor has no window manager settings
• 498[04:31:04] <annadane> (which i actually think is a bit beginner unfriendly, if you're just starting out and have no idea what you're doing... something like xfce is more self explanatory)
• 499[04:31:14] <rue_shop> E: Unable to locate package neofetch
• 500[04:31:24] <annadane> ,v neofetch
• 501[04:31:25] <judd> Package: neofetch on amd64 -- stretch: 2.0.2-1; buster: 3.3.0-1; sid: 3.3.0-1
• 502[04:31:38] <annadane> that's weird.
• 503[04:31:45] <rue_shop> cat /etc/debian_version
• 504[04:31:45] <rue_shop> 8.6
• 505[04:31:49] <annadane> ah.
• 506[04:32:23] <annadane> well, first of all, the newest version of jessie is 8.10 so you should consider updating
• 507[04:32:32] <annadane> if you don't want to go to stretch straight away
• 508[04:33:02] <annadane> ,v screenfetch
• 509[04:33:03] <judd> Package: screenfetch on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.6.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.6.5-1; stretch: 3.7.0-1; buster: 3.8.0-5; sid: 3.8.0-5
• 510[04:33:17] <annadane> you should be able to install screenfetch but yes, you have gnome
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• 515[04:35:22] <paraxic> hrm is there a way to keep network connection up on during suspend/hibernate events ? when resuming network connection according to i3 status is that its connected but there is no IP so I assume the dhcp lease is getting dropped?
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• 533[04:49:31] <rue_shop> ok, I have gonome. How do I configure the gnome window manager
• 534[04:49:40] <rue_shop> there are no settings in gconf-editor
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• 543[04:56:30] <rue_shop> I have 4 more hours to enjoy this year
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• 576[05:08:42] <awal1> rue_shop, configure gnome?
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• 581[05:10:08] <awal1> gnome is not a good choice if you are into customizing stuff at your way
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• 587[05:14:31] <annadane> err
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• 589[05:14:56] <annadane> anyway, i wish i could answer but i don't use gnome
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• 591[05:15:00] <infidel6352> hi everyone
• 592[05:15:04] <infidel6352> burn all jews in oven
• 593[05:15:06] <infidel6352> allahu akhbar
• 594[05:15:09] <infidel6352> death to infidels
• 595[05:15:19] <infidel6352> only muslims have a right to live
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• 597[05:16:12] <infidel6352> death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels!
• 598[05:16:12] <infidel6352> death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "
• 599[05:16:12] <infidel6352> !!!!
• 600[05:16:14] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
• 601[05:16:20] <infidel6352> ggr death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to
• 602[05:16:20] <infidel6352> infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!death to infidels! death to infidels "!!!!
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• 611[05:29:25] <tacocat> ...lol, what even
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• 621[05:38:25] <rue_shop> awal1, all I want is a minimize button so that I dont have to right click, move to minimize and then left click
• 622[05:38:59] <rue_shop> it might seem minor, but adding 3 or 4 actions to everything makes for a horrible ... 'experience'
• 623[05:39:12] <awal1> rue_shop, install 'gnome-tweak-tool' pkg and do that there
• 624[05:39:18] <rue_shop> what I have to go thru to start a program is already bad enough
• 625[05:39:36] <rue_shop> E: Unable to locate package gnome-tweek-tool
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• 627[05:39:50] <awal1> also you have extensions (gnome-shell-extensions)
• 628[05:39:53] <rue_shop> can you give me a source for that package?
• 629[05:39:56] <awal1> tweak
• 630[05:40:05] <awal1> ,v gnome-tweak-tool
• 631[05:40:06] <judd> Package: gnome-tweak-tool on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; jessie: 3.14.2-2; stretch: 3.22.0-1; buster: 3.26.4-1; sid: 3.26.4-1
• 632[05:40:07] <rue_shop> :)
• 633[05:40:11] <rue_shop> thanks
• 634[05:41:26] <awal1> note that I am not a gnome user, I just have it installed in my unstable system, and I rarely use it; almost following development
• 635[05:41:46] <awal1> so I can't help so much regarding gnome stuff
• 636[05:42:00] <rue_shop> you know, everything changes faster than I want to bother trying to fix it
• 637[05:42:22] <rue_shop> I liked gnome+elightenment, but those days are long gone, the last enlightenment I installed didn't even work
• 638[05:43:35] <tacocat> I think gnome pushes workspaces or whatnot over minimizing windows. classic gnome 2 is continued as MATE if you're looking for something in that style
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• 641[05:46:17] <rue_shop> ok, so gnome has thrown out the concept of windows, of using the screen for more than one thing at a time, its not a window manager, whats a good window manager you might suggest?
• 642[05:47:33] <rue_shop> its amazing how people took computing back to the pre-apple-classic with a program-occupies-whole-viewable-area-and-that-all-you-get
• 643[05:47:55] <awal1> rue_shop, combining flexibility, robustness, active development and stability, I suggest you 'openbox'
• 644[05:48:07] <rue_shop> I'm the only person in the world who apparently has more than one thing in view/task at a time
• 645[05:48:13] <rue_shop> ok
• 646[05:48:21] <awal1> easy and almost ready to use, go for fluxbox
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• 648[05:49:15] <rue_shop> anythng 98ish would work, you know, windows, that can be positioned, sized, and focused by clicking on them
• 649[05:49:59] <awal1> do you like to edit so much files and learn code and config stuff?
• 650[05:50:03] <rue_shop> I suppose modern computing has thrown out the keybaord and mouse too
• 651[05:50:09] <awal1> try fvwm
• 652[05:50:27] <Tramp> yup - fvwm.
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• 654[05:50:33] <tacocat> kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon, lxqt, lxde all give you regular, working windows by default
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• 656[05:50:54] <awal1> xfce is very good
• 657[05:51:29] <nixuser> awal1 xfce would be good if they upgraded to gtk3
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• 659[05:52:02] <nixuser> awal1 sorry to bikeshed, but I use i3 + dmenu
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• 661[05:52:29] <tacocat> just be glad there's a ton of variety for *nix desktops \o/
• 662[05:52:34] <awal1> I like xfce stability and conservatism (xfwm is an fvwm derivative)
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• 664[05:52:56] <awal1> nixuser, xfce/gtk3 is work in progress
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• 667[05:54:13] <nixuser> awal1 yes, agreed - however, gtk3 has been stable for several years now
• 668[05:55:02] <awal1> nixuser, I also use openbox + dmenu + a customized conky
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• 670[05:56:34] <rue_shop> actually, the gnome thing dosn't even work right, after using alt-tab, it dont' erase the selector, and half the windows are left shadowed funny
• 671[05:57:13] <rue_shop> is there a command to swtich window managers? I remmeber that changing them is an interseting process
• 672[05:57:40] <rue_shop> its too bad window manager is an options in the settings bar there
• 673[05:58:01] <tacocat> that depends on how you're starting X in the first place
• 674[05:58:17] <tacocat> I'm not sure gnome 3 would even work properly with alternate wms
• 675[05:59:32] <rue_shop> its still being started by the default voodoo
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• 677[05:59:47] <rue_shop> I'v not broken this one so badly I have to use startx like all the other
• 678[05:59:48] <rue_shop> s
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• 798[08:00:42] <sercan> kdenlive instal ? error wget -O kdenlive-18.04-alpha3.AppImage replaced-url
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• 800[08:00:49] <sercan> ?
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• 805[08:06:15] <sercan> How can I install kdenlive 18.04
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• 808[08:06:34] <SirLagz> appimage?
• 809[08:06:46] <SirLagz> sercan: why not just install it from the repositories?
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• 812[08:07:25] <sercan> replaced-url
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• 814[08:08:24] <sercan> the warehouse also has the old version
• 815[08:08:32] <SirLagz> sercan: is there a feature in 18.04 that you require that isn't in 16.12 ?
• 816[08:08:54] <themill> 18.04 which is clearly marked as an experimental, highly unstable development version...
• 817[08:09:11] <sercan> I do not know
• 818[08:09:33] <SirLagz> sercan: just install the one from the Debian repos, then if there's a feature missing, then you can try installing later versions.
• 819[08:10:31] <sercan> Well
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• 821[08:12:18] <SirLagz> themill: happy new year btw :D
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• 824[08:13:46] <themill> o/
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• 828[08:16:16] <SirLagz> sercan: what are you trying to install with a .tar.bz2?
• 829[08:16:57] <sercan> firefox
• 830[08:17:13] <SirLagz> sercan: again, install it through the repos unless you have a good reason not to.
• 831[08:17:20] <sercan> firefox-57.0.3.tar.bz2
• 832[08:17:36] <SirLagz> sercan: do you have a good reason not to install firefox through the Debian repositories?
• 833[08:17:57] <temy> SirLagz: Probably he wants Quantum instead of Gecko
• 834[08:18:20] <sercan> yes
• 835[08:18:29] <SirLagz> sercan: so you want Quantum instead of Gecko?
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• 837[08:18:48] <sercan> yes
• 838[08:19:10] <temy> sercan: if you're using the official Mozilla Firefox binary, there's no install there. you just run it
• 839[08:19:11] <sercan> new version
• 840[08:19:17] <temy> extract the tarball
• 841[08:20:41] <sercan> I did the installation like this. I removed the compressed file when the old version was installed :)
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• 846[08:21:28] <sercan> I am writing from translate :)
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• 849[08:25:53] <SirLagz> if you absolutely needed the latest, I would download the deb file from sid and install it through dpkg. At least that way it's still managed via your package manager
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• 929[10:14:21] <hiya> If I buy a new SSD and install Debian stable on it, would the GUI installer setup the SSD with TRIM?
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• 939[10:23:16] <BlackBishop> hey awesome peeps.
• 940[10:23:23] <BlackBishop> any easy way to disable tso/gso at boot ?
• 941[10:24:01] <BlackBishop> I was thinking about something in /etc/network/interfaces but can't figure out what.
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• 945[10:25:48] <BlackBishop> man this channel does magic.
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• 987[11:16:33] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: did you install the -dev package for that lib?
• 988[11:17:15] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: debian splits libraries into runtime and header packages
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• 990[11:17:40] <pingfloyd> well "development packages" which are usually headers.
• 991[11:18:04] <untakenstupidnic> pingfloyd : thanks for info
• 992[11:18:49] <pingfloyd> untakenstupidnic: also another trick is to use 'apt-file find curses.h'
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• 1005[11:27:12] <nkuttler> untakenstupidnic: or just apt-get build-dep nethack
• 1006[11:27:25] <nkuttler> untakenstupidnic: what are you trying to do anyway
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• 1008[11:29:02] <pingfloyd> definitely that if you're using a source package
• 1009[11:30:17] <pingfloyd> I suppose odds may be good you'll still get right the dependencies using that command even if you downloaded the source from upstream. This assumes that dependencies haven't changed much between when the source package was made and the current version.
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• 1020[11:47:08] <ongy> is there a reason kernel-package exists in old-stable and testing, but is missing in stable?
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• 1026[11:52:25] <beepnboop-> hello, can someone remind me how to edit the sourceslist?
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• 1029[11:52:52] <somiaj> it is located at /etc/apt/sources.list (or files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/), edit with your prefered editor.
• 1030[11:53:00] <nic_> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1031[11:53:10] <bazhang> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1033[11:53:18] <bazhang> oopsie
• 1034[11:53:19] <bolt> beepnboop-: why do you want to edit it?
• 1035[11:53:36] <nic_> use the gnome thingy, how is it called?
• 1036[11:53:55] <somiaj> ongy: replaced-url
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• 1038[11:55:51] <ongy> I just used the version from buster to build 4.15 kernel. And at that point testing was current testing, right? So that's contrary to the current state
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• 1040[11:56:08] <beepnboop-> how do i save it again?
• 1041[11:56:10] <beepnboop-> the nano
• 1042[11:56:17] <beepnboop-> with the nano*
• 1043[11:56:41] <somiaj> ongy: replaced-url
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• 1045[11:56:56] <babilen> beepnboop-: Should show you at the bottom .. wasn't it C-w ?
• 1046[11:57:13] <babilen> (i.e. ctrl + w)
• 1047[11:57:20] <notafemalenot13> replaced-url
• 1048[11:57:42] <babilen> beepnboop-: Ah, no .. C-o instead
• 1049[11:58:13] <notafemalenot13> If you select "Burn to disc" in Windows, you must use optical media.
• 1050[11:58:29] <somiaj> !win32diskimage
• 1051[11:58:49] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
• 1052[11:58:49] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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• 1054[11:59:04] <notafemalenot13> somiaj: Wouldn't it be a slightly good idea to mention this on the site and not just leave the potential new Debian user out in the cold?
• 1055[11:59:06] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: ^^ that is the suggested software to copy a debian .iso to a usb drive in windows.
• 1056[11:59:11] <notafemalenot13> "<unetbootin>"?
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• 1058[12:00:12] <beepnboop-> this is not working for me at all
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• 1063[12:00:55] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: replaced-url
• 1064[12:01:15] <pingfloyd> no don't use unotbootin
• 1065[12:01:23] <pingfloyd> it's a POS
• 1066[12:01:42] <pingfloyd> use win32diskimager if you have to do it in windows, like mentioned.
• 1067[12:02:09] <pingfloyd> if you have dd in windows (say you installed mingw etc.) use that instead
• 1068[12:02:18] <bazhang> babilen, whats the channels stance on using rufus in windows for that
• 1069[12:02:28] <jelly> !rufus
• 1070[12:02:28] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1071[12:02:48] <bazhang> yeowch
• 1072[12:02:51] <pingfloyd> same reason to not use unetbooting, it "mangles" things too.
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• 1074[12:03:01] <bazhang> mangle is a big NO I suppose
• 1075[12:03:03] <pingfloyd> tries to be clever about it and installs its own crap onto the system
• 1076[12:03:06] <jelly> now ask about etcher!
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• 1078[12:03:19] <notafemalenot13> I don't get it. Why isn't this clearly mentioned on the page?
• 1079[12:03:25] <notafemalenot13> How is anyone going to know this?
• 1080[12:03:32] <bazhang> jelly, etcher.io from Jriddell?
• 1081[12:03:35] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the manual recommends it
• 1082[12:03:39] <simp> I've been trying to enable the "tearfree" option for my AMD gpu(R9 280X), but after a reboot it won't find any screens. Here's the config that I tired & the xorg logs replaced-url
• 1083[12:03:42] <simp> any thoughts on how to go about it? Thought I'd give gaming on linux a shot but everything keeps tearing.
• 1084[12:03:43] <notafemalenot13> In fact, even the step with picking the right "architecture" will confuse most.
• 1085[12:03:54] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: What manual? I'm talking about the URL I posted above.
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• 1087[12:04:19] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: are you here to get a solution to a problem or just point out yet again how it is not up to your standards?
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• 1089[12:04:28] <jelly> bazhang, yes
• 1090[12:04:36] <bazhang> cheers
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• 1092[12:04:47] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: replaced-url
• 1093[12:04:52] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the installation manual
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• 1095[12:05:43] <notafemalenot13> Not "up to my standards"? It's really as if you don't want people to install Debian.
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• 1097[12:06:02] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: there's even a link to download it
• 1098[12:06:03] <notafemalenot13> I can certainly figure it out, but I'm trying to give feedback as an average user.
• 1099[12:06:12] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: That's the point: there isn't. What are you talking about?
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• 1101[12:06:19] <jelly> notafemalenot13, this channel is mostly divorced from people involved in official web pages, not really a place to give feedback
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• 1103[12:06:34] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: I linked you it
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• 1105[12:06:45] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: this really isn't a place to give feedback, and gets in the way of actually helping you get debian working.
• 1106[12:06:47] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: read 4.3.1
• 1107[12:06:48] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 1108[12:07:13] <pingfloyd> who is we?
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• 1110[12:07:57] <notafemalenot13> The page should have a text explaining that amd64 is "probably your architecture", and a small instruction or link to that other page (at worst) on what to actually do with the .iso you download.
• 1111[12:08:09] <notafemalenot13> And yes, I read what you said about this channel not containing people responsible for the website.
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• 1114[12:08:59] <notafemalenot13> It's just so frustrating to notice these "obvious" things.
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• 1116[12:09:10] <jelly> nod
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• 1127[12:16:30] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the entire site's navigation is a bit of maze unless you've used it for some time
• 1128[12:16:46] <pingfloyd> there's no doubt it needs lots of improvements regardless
• 1129[12:17:33] <notafemalenot13> Well, I installed win32diskimager and it seemed to work correctly, but when I then run it, it just loads for a bit and then... nothing happens. :S
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• 1131[12:17:54] <notafemalenot13> As in, it doesn't bring up any kind of GUI or anything.
• 1132[12:18:03] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: I'd recommend using this page replaced-url
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• 1134[12:18:41] <coruja> who really is interested in installing debian, will look for and find the needed information, first an iso link and information (installation guide in this case) how to go on
• 1135[12:19:08] <SirLagz> is it really that hard to find a download link to debian?
• 1136[12:19:10] <notafemalenot13> coruja: And if you aren't interested in installing Debian whatsoever, but wanted to give it a shot out of desperation?
• 1137[12:19:33] <notafemalenot13> The problem wasn't finding the .iso. It is actually putting it on a USB memstick (so it will boot the installer).
• 1138[12:19:40] <coruja> notafemalenot13, then you should take a look at debian live isos i guess
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• 1140[12:19:55] <notafemalenot13> Huh? Would be the same thing then.
• 1141[12:20:35] <SirLagz> well putting it into a USB stick wouldn't really be an issue the Debian maintainers could help with anyway beyond providing generic info and maybe pointing you to some programs to try
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• 1143[12:20:48] <pingfloyd> coruja: his/her problem was not being made aware of win32diskimager on the site
• 1144[12:20:58] <coruja> you've been hinted at the installation guide several times now, what's still the point? ;)
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• 1148[12:22:41] <notafemalenot13> The damn program doesn't start when you run it after installing it. What can I say?
• 1149[12:22:47] <coruja> i don't think there will ever be a step-by-step spoonfeeding howto for windows users at debian.org, as debian usually isn't the first linux distribution windows people try to install/use
• 1150[12:22:48] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: the main thing you want is a tool that simply does a block level copy and nothing more
• 1151[12:23:05] <pingfloyd> (such as adding its own shit to the usb stick like unetbootin does).
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• 1153[12:23:13] <pingfloyd> the isos are hybrid
• 1154[12:23:18] <pingfloyd> and bootable
• 1155[12:23:41] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: win32diskimager is not a tool provided nor maintained by the Debian developers...if you need support with win32diskimager, maybe hit up their support channels.
• 1156[12:23:44] <pingfloyd> win32diskimager is just one
• 1157[12:23:51] <pingfloyd> example
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• 1159[12:24:04] <pingfloyd> it's a pretty good one too, as far as the windows side of things goes
• 1160[12:24:05] <notafemalenot13> I guess Windows 10 is probably blocking the program from running silently because it detects that it will probably be used to prepare a foreign OS to be installed on the computer, which is a threat to its existence, and thus seen as malware.
• 1161[12:24:16] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: more likely, you need to right click and run as admin.
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• 1163[12:24:34] <notafemalenot13> I feel just like I do when dealing with big (or small) corporations: "This isn't our problem. Talk with X." "We aren't responsible for this part. Talk to Y."
• 1164[12:24:47] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: I did try that.
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• 1172[12:25:05] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: in that case, try a different program
• 1173[12:25:16] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: All other programs run perfectly.
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• 1175[12:25:21] <pingfloyd> just use a basic imaging tool
• 1176[12:25:32] <notafemalenot13> Like what?
• 1177[12:25:43] <pingfloyd> one that makes a block for block exact copy and nothing more
• 1178[12:25:54] <pingfloyd> like dd
• 1179[12:26:01] <notafemalenot13> replaced-url
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• 1181[12:26:22] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use windd then
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• 1188[12:26:56] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: or any other tool you can find that will do as pingfloyd was saying.
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• 1190[12:27:46] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: or burn the image to a DVD
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• 1192[12:27:52] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: with a classic DVD burner
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• 1194[12:28:36] <pingfloyd> eww
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• 1197[12:28:55] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah I know.
• 1198[12:28:59] <pingfloyd> aka bit rotting frisbees
• 1199[12:29:03] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but at least that's doable with windows :P
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• 1201[12:29:22] <pingfloyd> yeah, welcome to windows, the OS that try to control your usage of it
• 1202[12:29:29] <pingfloyd> tries*
• 1203[12:29:34] <SirLagz> yep
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• 1205[12:29:42] <SirLagz> hence why I barely run any windows boxes :P
• 1206[12:30:04] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: nobody said software freedom would be easy
• 1207[12:30:22] <pingfloyd> though many make great efforts to try to attain that goal
• 1208[12:30:23] <SirLagz> software freedom is easy after you get yourself off the locked down platform of windows
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• 1210[12:30:43] <pingfloyd> it's gotten a hell of a lot easier than a decade or so ago
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• 1212[12:30:49] <SirLagz> indeed
• 1213[12:30:55] <SirLagz> especially with bootable USB sticks
• 1214[12:31:10] <SirLagz> doing a simple dd to build a bootable USB stick is awesome
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• 1216[12:31:34] <coruja> or cp nowadays
• 1217[12:31:38] <untakenstupidnic> not always
• 1218[12:31:53] <pingfloyd> what I liked about debian in the old days, was its installer fit on a few floppies (2-3) while others required at least cd-rom sized storage.
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• 1221[12:32:23] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: when was that?
• 1222[12:32:25] <pingfloyd> boot disk, root disk, and optional extra drivers disk
• 1223[12:32:28] <jelly> replaced-url
• 1224[12:32:39] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: iirc, sarge was the last one with such a small installer for netinst
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• 1229[12:33:04] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: ah k, right before I started getting the netinst stuff heh
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• 1234[12:33:20] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: I started on woody? potato? I forget
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• 1236[12:33:37] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but I was doing the CD installs at the time lol
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• 1241[12:35:42] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: the floppy image was maintained along side the other images like CD and later DVD
• 1242[12:35:55] <pingfloyd> there was overlap for a long time, which was great
• 1243[12:36:01] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah, I have a vague recollection of the floppy image, but never used it
• 1244[12:36:08] <pingfloyd> gave the users options and ability to install in many different scenarios
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• 1248[12:36:44] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: a system I had at the time, didn't have any cd/dvd-rw so it was a saver for me.
• 1249[12:36:59] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: heh nice
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• 1251[12:37:18] <pingfloyd> I supposed I could have download the 1000 floppy slackware set instead
• 1252[12:37:22] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: I think at the time all of my systems had CD drives so I just used the CD installs. It was good especially because my internet was crap
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• 1255[12:37:44] <SirLagz> downloaded the first 3 or 4 cds at school and burned them, then came home to install it :D
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• 1257[12:37:51] <deicide-> when u make shit work in linux its so satisfying, makes ur brain work for it. when i first got it on i spent entire night getting wifi to work, but when i succeed it felt really rewarding with sense of achievement if u know what i mean
• 1258[12:37:59] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: yeah, my internet was horrible too around that time
• 1259[12:38:02] <SirLagz> deicide-: definitely
• 1260[12:38:13] <pingfloyd> that was the other plus of the floppy installer, it was a tiny download in comparison
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• 1263[12:38:51] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: but then it's a netinst :P
• 1264[12:38:54] <pingfloyd> I can understand why they discontinued it when they did though. Kudos to them for supporting it long after others didn't.
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• 1266[12:39:11] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: indeed
• 1267[12:39:11] <pingfloyd> SirLagz: yeah, but I would let that run overnight
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• 1269[12:39:23] <SirLagz> pingfloyd: yeah true
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• 1271[12:39:35] <pingfloyd> and the installer is great in that all your choices are presented before much downloading
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• 1273[12:40:22] <pingfloyd> so for me it was configure it, start the installation step, come back the next and reboot and cross fingers.
• 1274[12:40:34] <pingfloyd> *next day
• 1275[12:40:52] <SirLagz> yeah true
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• 1277[12:41:01] <pingfloyd> didn't encounter any problems which was really great
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• 1281[12:43:14] <deicide-> linux is just great, and the community is even better
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• 1283[12:43:37] <deicide-> well minus the banter between the versions which is just stupid
• 1284[12:43:46] <SirLagz> linux is great...for people who are willing to do some thinking
• 1285[12:43:57] <SirLagz> thinking/reading
• 1286[12:44:17] <nic_> linux is great for neet people
• 1287[12:44:23] <deicide-> you don't need to think tbh, you only need to know what to ask google
• 1288[12:44:29] <SirLagz> nic_: neet?
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• 1291[12:44:41] <SirLagz> deicide-: hence my change of thinking/reading :P
• 1292[12:44:42] <deicide-> isn't it neat?
• 1293[12:44:45] <nic_> not in education employment or training
• 1294[12:45:15] <SirLagz> nic_: you know heaps of people use linux at work right?
• 1295[12:45:23] <nic_> yea
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• 1298[12:45:37] <deicide-> nic_, art forms too
• 1299[12:45:38] <nic_> doesnt stop it being great for neet tbh
• 1300[12:45:51] <SirLagz> nic_: right. just chekcing
• 1301[12:45:59] <SirLagz> nic_: it's great because it's free lol
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• 1303[12:46:18] <nic_> i like the part of being pretty modular and secure
• 1304[12:46:41] <nic_> configurable, or whatever the word is
• 1305[12:46:56] <SirLagz> that's also good
• 1306[12:46:56] <Urchin> Linux is great for people with more time than money
• 1307[12:47:05] <gpunk> customisable
• 1308[12:47:11] <nic_> ^ dat
• 1309[12:47:20] <deicide-> the only reason why i'll never go full linux is the fact i will lose so many softwares daily
• 1310[12:47:24] <SirLagz> Urchin: it's not like linux takes a great deal of time to use
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• 1314[12:48:00] <nkuttler> debian is great because shit just works. i have no time to mess with windows nonsense
• 1315[12:48:03] <gpunk> deicide- you need more efort
• 1316[12:48:07] <SirLagz> nkuttler: exactly
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• 1320[12:49:07] <bolt> Sure it takes time, because suddenly you can do what you actually want. I've spent probably days coming up with the desktop environment I use and enjoy every day. On Windows, I wouldn't have done that, because Windows won't do what I want anyway, and I simply have to live with that when on a Windows machine.
• 1321[12:49:19] <pingfloyd> nkuttler: exactly
• 1322[12:49:19] <Urchin> SirLagz: spending an hour or two to set up something that comes set up for MacOS, but you have to pay $400 for it does use more time than money
• 1323[12:49:31] <pingfloyd> nkuttler: that's exactly why I use it and also software freedom
• 1324[12:49:41] <SirLagz> Urchin: spent an hour or two rather than spend 2 days earning the money to buy Mac OSX
• 1325[12:49:48] <pingfloyd> it's both, which is what I want
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• 1327[12:50:01] <bolt> Urchin: that's given OSX actually does what you want
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• 1329[12:50:57] <Urchin> SirLagz: that purely depends on how fast you earn money, it is possible to make more than $400 per hour, so...
• 1330[12:51:00] <phogg> I have enough money to not care how much OS X costs, but I couldn't ever use it. It's designed to work in a way that I don't like and isn't designed to be customizable.
• 1331[12:51:24] <pingfloyd> Urchin: with macos you're being indoctrinated into a limited experience
• 1332[12:51:25] <SirLagz> Urchin: I don't know that many people who earn more than $400 per hour.
• 1333[12:51:43] <pingfloyd> they get the user to think in apple boxes
• 1334[12:51:47] <phogg> the best option for me would be to install X11 , pretend the host system doesn't exist and compile all of the same software I have on Linux. Pointless.
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• 1338[12:52:12] <SirLagz> so for someone to earn $400 and hour, they'd be earning $450k a year...anyone earning that much probably has the time to muck about with linux should they so wish
• 1339[12:52:19] <Urchin> phogg: I agree that I hate the OSX interface
• 1340[12:52:21] <pingfloyd> and have an autonomic dismissive response to anything that doesn't neatly fit into any of those existing boxes
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• 1343[12:52:43] <SirLagz> $450k a year, assuming a normal 40 hour week.
• 1344[12:53:06] <deicide-> one thing i did thought about is running windows as vm and linux as main but i'm afraid of latency
• 1345[12:53:10] <pingfloyd> not everyone is obsessed with having more money than they need in this world
• 1346[12:53:27] <nic_> is ok to be poor tbh
• 1347[12:53:34] <SirLagz> I'd rather spend my time building something I like using than spending 2 days earning money for something I wouldn't like to use anyway.
• 1348[12:53:45] <pingfloyd> nic_: sometimes you have more freedom in some ways by being poor
• 1349[12:53:48] <bolt> Urchin: where do I click to get the OSX window manager to act like a proper tiling one? i'm not paying $400 for something that doesn't do what I want anyway. sure, I could compile my own, and people actually do this, but then what did I pay for?
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• 1351[12:53:52] <nic_> i agree
• 1352[12:53:53] <pingfloyd> in material ways you don't
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• 1354[12:54:10] <pingfloyd> money takes care of corporeal needs
• 1355[12:54:19] <pingfloyd> but that's really about it in the end
• 1356[12:54:23] <SirLagz> yep
• 1357[12:54:38] <pingfloyd> all I need is what I need to survive and pursue things I want
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• 1359[12:54:45] <nic_> question, is debian unstable really unstable?
• 1360[12:54:51] <SirLagz> nic_: define 'unstable'
• 1361[12:54:58] <nic_> bugged like shit
• 1362[12:55:02] <pingfloyd> nic_: it's in a constant state of flux
• 1363[12:55:09] <SirLagz> nic_: nope. The packages are constantly being updated though
• 1364[12:55:16] <SirLagz> nic_: so it's unstable in that things might occasionally break
• 1365[12:55:20] <nic_> kind of bleeding edge?
• 1366[12:55:27] <Urchin> nic_: unstable is a statement about the package repositories
• 1367[12:55:32] <SirLagz> nic_: semi-on-the-cusp-of-almost-being-bleeding-edge
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• 1369[12:55:34] <bolt> !tell nic_ about unstable
• 1370[12:55:37] <pingfloyd> nic_: so it could run rock solid for a while and then run catastrophically at a certain point
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• 1372[12:55:55] <nic_> good to know
• 1373[12:55:56] <SirLagz> nic_: updates might break packages, missing dependencies etc
• 1374[12:55:59] <pingfloyd> nic_: "you break it, you get to keep both pieces"
• 1375[12:56:02] <SirLagz> nic_: I broke perl once when I ran unstable
• 1376[12:56:22] <pingfloyd> nic_: that's the saying for sid in regards to support
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• 1378[12:56:29] <Urchin> it's the perpetual beta, so expect being a beta tester for it
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• 1381[12:56:41] <deicide-> anyone here have opinion on vms?
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• 1383[12:56:45] <nic_> thank you people
• 1384[12:56:47] <pingfloyd> actually I think it's more "if it breaks..."
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• 1386[12:57:04] <gpunk> vms or VMs ?
• 1387[12:57:06] <SirLagz> deicide-: on virtual machines?
• 1388[12:57:19] <nic_> virtual richard m stallman?
• 1389[12:57:19] <pingfloyd> that is, it doesn't matter if you break it or it is just plain broken because of the state it is in
• 1390[12:57:20] <deicide-> context(one thing i did thought about is running windows as vm and linux as main but i'm afraid of latency)
• 1391[12:57:35] <SirLagz> deicide-: I think I might do that at work this year
• 1392[12:57:45] <SirLagz> deicide-: getting sick of running Windows as my workstation
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• 1394[12:58:02] <nic_> i won't go unstable tbh, i'll stick waiting 5 years for an update
• 1395[12:58:04] <pingfloyd> that's what I do
• 1396[12:58:15] <pingfloyd> windows is a vm on my debian system collecting dust
• 1397[12:58:26] <nic_> can't wait to use that quantum firefox in my 40s
• 1398[12:58:34] <pingfloyd> I bet if I launch it, there will be a million updates waiting and eventually crashing things.
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• 1400[12:58:37] <SirLagz> nic_: not as bad as 5 years lol
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• 1402[12:58:54] <Urchin> but does it run games?
• 1403[12:59:03] <SirLagz> Urchin: linux or the windows vm?
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• 1406[12:59:11] <pingfloyd> nic_: I just download firefox from upstream
• 1407[12:59:20] <pingfloyd> nic_: it's install is simple, extract it where you want it installed
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• 1409[12:59:30] <Urchin> windows vm
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• 1411[12:59:36] <pingfloyd> that's one of the few programs I care about version
• 1412[12:59:50] <gpunk> for me it s gone ...
• 1413[12:59:57] <gpunk> dont need it anymore :)
• 1414[12:59:57] <SirLagz> Urchin: it can play games if you set it up right
• 1415[12:59:58] <pingfloyd> browser is a very good candidate to keep to the latest version available
• 1416[13:00:07] <nic_> gpunk: u using lynx brother?
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• 1420[13:00:45] <nic_> same pingfloyd
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• 1422[13:00:56] <nic_> and i found really good interest in pale moon lately too
• 1423[13:00:57] <Urchin> I find that I really need a new system
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• 1427[13:02:51] <nic_> Urchin: like what
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• 1445[13:04:20] <Antoninus> How can I completely disable udisks2 and/or gvfsd? I can delete their binaries, but if I do this, I get really long timeouts from apps like this replaced-url
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• 1452[13:05:29] <notafemalenot13> I can't tell if "Linux users" pretend to not understand or actually don't understand when you tell them that there's nothing "simple" or "easy" or "quick" about the various "insane hacks" they often suggest.
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• 1454[13:05:40] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: you shouldn't just go manually deleting binaries willy nilly
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• 1456[13:05:59] <nic_> pingfloyd: just installed palemoon, first home congratulations screen has a googlead with malicious content
• 1457[13:06:01] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: you uninstall the packages for them, but if something depends on them, you need to keep them around.
• 1458[13:06:02] <nic_> great
• 1459[13:06:04] <notafemalenot13> Also, a major issue is that regardless of which OS I install on this machine, there is an unremovable hardware backdoor on it nevertheless.
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• 1461[13:06:29] <Antoninus> pingfloyd, I should be able to completely disable gvfsd, too, but since I can't do this, I'm deleting them
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• 1474[13:10:00] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what insane hack?
• 1475[13:11:02] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Just run this and that "simple command", etc.
• 1476[13:11:03] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: apt-rdepends -p gvfs-daemon
• 1477[13:11:15] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: use that list to see programs you've just broke by doing that
• 1478[13:11:23] <Urchin> sounds like every how to ever
• 1479[13:11:24] <notafemalenot13> This is gonna sound insulting, but isn't really meant to be: Linux feels a lot like some kid showing something they have made to the grown-ups, and they all think it's awful, but still put on stiff smiles and go: "Veeeeeery good! Did you do this aaaaall by yourself?" and whatnot. (Kinda like how females treat me even today...)
• 1480[13:11:25] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: still have no idea what 'insane hack' you're talking about.
• 1481[13:11:25] <pingfloyd> the ones showing "installed" would be them
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• 1484[13:11:54] <pingfloyd> Antoninus: correction: apt-rdepends -p gvfs-daemons
• 1485[13:12:08] <Antoninus> pingfloyd, uh-huh
• 1486[13:12:45] <Urchin> it usually takes an effort to explain why the simple hack is simple
• 1487[13:12:46] <pingfloyd> apt-rdepends -pr gvfs-daemons
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• 1489[13:13:05] <Antoninus> Just nevermind
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• 1491[13:13:53] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: this might sound insulting, but your statement shows your ignorance of Linux
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• 1496[13:15:25] <Urchin> pingfloyd: it's a pretty common perception among people who can't program
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• 1498[13:16:09] <notafemalenot13> Did I say anything along the lines of: "It's super easy to make an OS"?
• 1499[13:16:16] <notafemalenot13> I didn't even suggest it.
• 1500[13:16:22] <notafemalenot13> It's actually very hard.
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• 1504[13:16:37] <notafemalenot13> The problem is that the end result is what counts to people.
• 1505[13:16:57] <pingfloyd> I think results count more
• 1506[13:17:12] <notafemalenot13> If you think about the history of computers, the concept of an "OS" as stand-alone from the hardware is a pretty new concept.
• 1507[13:17:23] <pingfloyd> things like security, reliability, freedom and customizability
• 1508[13:17:28] <pingfloyd> (having it my way)
• 1509[13:17:35] <notafemalenot13> I would vastly prefer machines that were built from the ground up to be all about a unified, secure experience.
• 1510[13:17:36] <pingfloyd> having and OS my way
• 1511[13:17:43] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: the concept of an OS being stand-alone from hardware has been around for a long time
• 1512[13:17:43] <pingfloyd> not some way some suit thinks I should have
• 1513[13:17:55] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: Is an unremovable backdoor on top of every CPU from AMD and Intel since 2006 "having things your way"? :/
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• 1517[13:18:22] <pingfloyd> the big hurdle for new users is often getting past paying someone to make choices for them
• 1518[13:18:34] <nic_> pingfloyd: question
• 1519[13:18:39] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: considering OSes have been standalone since the days of MS-DOS at least
• 1520[13:18:40] <nic_> do you know how to get the old firefox bar on the bottom?
• 1521[13:18:53] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: that's such a non sequitur
• 1522[13:19:02] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Not on Amiga and Macs and others. Only PC.
• 1523[13:19:07] <notafemalenot13> pingfloyd: How so?
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• 1525[13:19:23] <pingfloyd> IME has nothing to do with OS choices
• 1526[13:19:33] <pingfloyd> that's in the hardware you choose to buy
• 1527[13:19:40] <notafemalenot13> Choose?
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• 1530[13:19:59] <notafemalenot13> Not much left to buy when you exclude AMD and Intel, and those are just the *known* ones.
• 1531[13:20:04] <d3vice> Not a female, not 13, not very smart about what youre talking about
• 1532[13:20:06] <notafemalenot13> Windows only runs on x86 AFAIK.
• 1533[13:20:13] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: yes, only PC. OS2 was an alternative OS to MSDos, back in 1987
• 1534[13:20:28] <notafemalenot13> d3vice: Why the general insults instead of specific replies?
• 1535[13:20:29] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: Windows runs on ARM too
• 1536[13:20:46] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: what does IME have to do with Debian?
• 1537[13:20:49] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: and used to run on Itanium platforms...not sure if it still does
• 1538[13:21:05] <notafemalenot13> The hardware backdoor makes the OS choice pointless.
• 1539[13:21:08] <notafemalenot13> Almost.
• 1540[13:21:23] <pingfloyd> how?
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• 1544[13:21:32] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: if you're that concerned about the hardware backdoor, just don't use technology then.
• 1545[13:21:43] <Urchin> well, there's POWER architecture, but those CPUs tend to be pretty expensive
• 1546[13:21:44] <pingfloyd> ^ the only fix for that
• 1547[13:21:44] <notafemalenot13> Even a perfect OS has no chance to protect your data when the hardware remote backdoor is sucking out your files and pumping them through the network cable.
• 1548[13:21:53] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Great idea.
• 1549[13:21:57] <pingfloyd> which has nothing to do with Debian or OS choices
• 1550[13:22:23] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: you can't fix hardware problems with software.
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• 1553[13:22:28] <notafemalenot13> It has everything to do with it because of that very reason.
• 1554[13:22:46] <pingfloyd> (maybe you can cover them up, but that's irrelevant anyway)
• 1555[13:22:49] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: at least with Debian then, you have the ability to find out exactly what your system is doing
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• 1557[13:23:23] <notafemalenot13> It's like saying that even though a whole building is full of microphones and spy gear, it matters that you lock all the doors and make sure nobody is physically inside when you start talking about how to accomplish the revolution.
• 1558[13:23:27] <pingfloyd> Windows plays an accomplice in trying to hide that issue from the user
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• 1560[13:23:48] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: It cannot see what the separate "computer on the CPU" is doing, no, if that's what you mean.
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• 1562[13:24:15] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: so what will do that you can't find a perfect solution?
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• 1564[13:24:24] <notafemalenot13> ?
• 1565[13:24:25] <pingfloyd> or a "perfect computer"
• 1566[13:24:40] <notafemalenot13> For one thing, I find it insane that this situation could ever be allowed to happen in the first place.
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• 1568[13:24:51] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what? the supposed hardware backdoor?
• 1569[13:24:53] <pingfloyd> the reasonable answer is: Make the most out of what I got to work with
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• 1571[13:25:17] <notafemalenot13> And that not a single rich geek in the whole world has thought to start a factory making secure hardware from scratch with maybe a developed version of Qubes OS running on it or something.
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• 1573[13:25:49] <pingfloyd> or: try to find an option that is relatively closer to it than other options
• 1574[13:25:55] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: even *if* someone does that, someone else will go 'oh there's probably a hardware backdoor in that cpu that new-rich-geek has designed and manufactured'
• 1575[13:26:11] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Probably, but nobody even claims to have done so.
• 1576[13:26:32] <notafemalenot13> It literally isn't possible to buy a secure hardware today.
• 1577[13:26:33] <Urchin> notafemalenot13: I already mentioned POWER architecture
• 1578[13:26:35] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: there are plenty of other CPUs out there. Use a different CPU then
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• 1580[13:26:55] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: guess what though. Debian supports a lot of different architectures.
• 1581[13:27:00] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: imagine that
• 1582[13:27:11] <notafemalenot13> The Qubes OS people actively refuse to recommend any hardware except "buy an ancient ThinkPad".
• 1583[13:27:26] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use Debian on an open source CPU. then you can look for backdoors yourself to your hearts content.
• 1584[13:27:50] <notafemalenot13> Where can I buy those open source CPUs or better, a whole computer like that?
• 1585[13:27:57] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: raspberry pi
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• 1587[13:28:08] <notafemalenot13> I have one of those in a box somewhere.
• 1588[13:28:08] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: Windows doesn't do that. And MacOS to an extreme doesn't do that. So by your own criteria Debian and linux is a superior option available.
• 1589[13:28:12] <notafemalenot13> Weak as a fly, though.
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• 1591[13:28:42] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: check fsf and gnu's site
• 1592[13:28:43] <notafemalenot13> Have they not made a "full-fledged" Raspberry pi?
• 1593[13:28:45] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: the Raspberry Pi 3 is plenty powerful enough to be a basic desktop computer.
• 1594[13:28:56] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: they have recommendations of hardware that respects freedom
• 1595[13:28:57] <notafemalenot13> "Watermelon Pi" or something. A full board with a chassis.
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• 1598[13:29:19] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Minimum system requirements for Qubes OS includes 4 GB RAM...
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• 1601[13:29:37] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: use Debian on the Raspberry Pi
• 1602[13:29:40] <pingfloyd> notafemalenot13: also there's projects in existence trying to address that precise issue (free system firmware projects)
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• 1604[13:29:54] <SirLagz> indeed. projects like Libreboot and Coreboot
• 1605[13:29:59] <pingfloyd> yep
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• 1608[13:30:11] <pingfloyd> so another +1 for linux by your own criteria
• 1609[13:30:15] <notafemalenot13> Is there something I'm missing regarding producing a "more powerful RPi", though?
• 1610[13:30:24] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: replaced-url
• 1611[13:30:34] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what are you going to do that a Pi can't do?
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• 1614[13:33:41] <notafemalenot13> Hmmm... Very interesting. I just read that page you linked to just now. How come the Qubes OS people cannot recommend that?
• 1615[13:33:46] <notafemalenot13> I should ask them.
• 1616[13:33:51] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: go ahead.
• 1617[13:33:56] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Let's see... Running all kinds of stuff.
• 1618[13:34:09] <notafemalenot13> In fact, just running non-Windows (include Qubes OS) will cripple me in many ways.
• 1619[13:34:15] <notafemalenot13> For example, video editing.
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• 1621[13:34:26] <Urchin> Qubes OS seems to like hardware virtualization
• 1622[13:34:32] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: do you use Adobe to do your video editing?
• 1623[13:34:37] <notafemalenot13> I might well buy that computer unless Qubes OS people have something to say about it.
• 1624[13:34:51] <notafemalenot13> SirLagz: Due to the lack of choice even on Windows, yes.
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• 1627[13:35:02] <notafemalenot13> (I had a period a couple of years ago when I went through *all* the alternatives on Windows.)
• 1628[13:35:07] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: what lack of choice? you know there are other Video Editing programs?
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• 1631[13:36:06] <notafemalenot13> That's why I said I went through them and determined that Premiere Pro is the only even remotely sane one.
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• 1633[13:36:27] <SirLagz> notafemalenot13: personally I use Openshot for my video editing. I don't know what you need to edit on your videos, but there are always alternatives.
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• 1681[13:55:03] <gpunk> hein ?
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• 1694[13:59:36] <notafemalenot13> What they answered so far: "my guesses: only 8gb, really slow cpu, and maybe even a cpu with broken vt-x (though I'm not sure about that)"
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• 1745[14:19:29] <gpunk> is your machine up to date ? (just in case)
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• 1747[14:19:56] <gpunk> have you checked any error messages ? like in syslog ....
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• 1749[14:20:35] <gpunk> (perso i dont use openvpn anymore)
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• 1758[14:25:25] <RoyK> gpunk: what would you recommend instead of openvpn?
• 1759[14:25:40] <gpunk> openconnect is nice
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• 1761[14:26:02] <gpunk> but it depends on your setup
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• 1808[14:38:03] <notafemalenot13> OpenVPN is awful crippleware.
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• 1810[14:38:19] <notafemalenot13> But somehow has become an "industry standard" in spite of lacking the most basic features.
• 1811[14:38:25] <notafemalenot13> But don't get me started on that.
• 1812[14:39:05] * themill suggests sticking to Debian user support
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• 1873[15:07:39] <de1> hello, tried apt-get install and got this message Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
• 1874[15:07:53] <shtrb> sudo del
• 1875[15:08:12] <de1> tried mv /var/cache/apt/archives/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock.bak
• 1876[15:08:23] <shtrb> *del, you should use sudo (or make sure no other dpkg is running now )
• 1877[15:08:24] <de1> but same result on apt-get install
• 1878[15:08:26] <shtrb> don't touch that
• 1879[15:08:28] <de1> ok trying
• 1880[15:08:49] <shtrb> first make sure no other dpkg /apt instance is running before that
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• 1883[15:10:29] <de1> hmm, deleted and now getting
• 1884[15:11:03] <de1> error
• 1885[15:11:05] <de1> chmod 0700 of directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial failed - SetupAPTPartialDirectory (1: Operation not permitted
• 1886[15:11:17] <de1> other ideas?
• 1887[15:11:20] <shtrb> del stop playing with fire
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• 1890[15:11:35] <shtrb> 1. make sure no other dpkg/apt is running now.
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• 1892[15:11:50] <shtrb> 2. why are you chmoding it ?!
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• 1895[15:12:27] <de1> shtrb: ps aux | grep shows no other dpkg
• 1896[15:12:40] <themill> or apt
• 1897[15:12:42] <shtrb> what about apt ?
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• 1899[15:13:09] <de1> sorry yes apt
• 1900[15:13:12] <de1> http apt
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• 1902[15:13:42] <de1> thank you much shtrb
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• 1904[15:13:54] <de1> and themill -
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• 1913[15:18:36] <shtrb> del , first you need to let the other apt service finish
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• 1920[15:23:09] <vizzy_zzz> regarding bug 884762 replaced-url
• 1921[15:23:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1923[15:23:51] <vizzy_zzz> is this only for systems with >12cpus or will it also affect my old i3 laptop? i dont want to render my whole system unuseable
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• 1925[15:26:26] <vizzy_zzz> is it safe to just skip the linux-image update and install all the rest for now?
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• 1928[15:29:20] <vizzy_zzz> mc
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• 1935[15:36:36] <shtrb> is Xsane the correct way to scan docs ?
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• 1938[15:37:50] <de1> shtrb - cant say if its "correct" but i use xsane to scan docs with a brother and epson
• 1939[15:38:09] <de1> works well with ssh also for remote scan
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• 1942[15:38:59] <shtrb> I didn't use scanner software since I think sarge , that is why I ask
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• 1959[15:49:22] <shtrb> del, any suggestions for command line tool to print photos ? (right now checking gimp for that) - going to grab a cheap HP for it's scanner facility
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• 1969[15:54:16] <gpunk> lpr ?
• 1970[15:54:26] <gpunk> cups-lpr i think too
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• 1972[15:54:39] <shtrb> I don't think it can handle photos
• 1973[15:54:46] <shtrb> *lpr
• 1974[15:54:55] <gpunk> it s the printer that handle photos, not lpr
• 1975[15:55:24] <gpunk> you may need command line options
• 1976[15:55:43] <gpunk> and format the file yourself
• 1977[15:55:57] <shtrb> I prefer the option I was wrong, and you are correct and lpr should work
• 1978[15:56:11] <gpunk> i hope too :)
• 1979[15:56:27] <gpunk> i donno if imageMagic can help
• 1980[15:56:36] <gpunk> with convertions
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• 1983[15:57:18] <shtrb> If I'm paying for ink I should at least use it :)
• 1984[15:57:36] <gpunk> yeah beafore the cardridge dryes !
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• 1988[15:58:10] <shtrb> my scanner had died , and I need a scanner and it cost less to buy an All-In-One than just a scanner
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• 1990[15:58:29] <shtrb> for so many years I didn't need to print/scan stuff so I thought I would just use that
• 1991[15:58:30] <gpunk> unfortunately
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• 1993[15:58:46] <gpunk> but maybe the scanner are better quality
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• 1995[15:59:58] <gpunk> (standalone)
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• 1997[16:00:09] <shtrb> maybe
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• 2029[16:17:41] <gpunk> i checked out imagemagik
• 2030[16:17:50] <gpunk> it is definitly your freind
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• 2033[16:18:15] <gpunk> with lpr ...
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• 2035[16:18:28] * shtrb calls pizza hut and going to ask imagemagik to arrive
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• 2139[16:55:26] <Ke> systemd-timesync user is missing for me, how is it intended to work?
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• 2180[17:06:25] <gpunk> is it ntp client ?
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• 2186[17:13:01] <pragomer> how can I decrease the mbox-folder-files of thunderbird? even after having deleted 80% of my emails the mbox size stays the same
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• 2191[17:15:59] <hans_> is the mini.iso only bootable from BIOS, not UEFI ?
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• 2193[17:16:25] <Ke> I did boot some mini iso on aarch64 UEFI
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• 2195[17:16:52] <hans_> hmm ok
• 2196[17:17:02] <hans_> did you boot from USB or CD?
• 2197[17:17:07] <Ke> USB
• 2198[17:17:29] <hans_> how did you format the USB?
• 2199[17:17:35] <Ke> dd
• 2200[17:17:51] <Ke> ie. no format
• 2201[17:17:54] <hans_> dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdb basically?
• 2202[17:17:58] <Ke> yes
• 2203[17:18:01] <hans_> thanks
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• 2231[17:37:48] <mason> Hey, I'm curious, Ubuntu is deprecating ifupdown, and I heard a rumour Debian was going to do this as well, but the search engines aren't enlightening me. Is there anything to this?
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• 2243[17:44:14] <somiaj> mason: ifconfig has been depreacted for a while. Currently the ifup/ifdown scripts in debian use ip, and I haven't heard of any plan for debian to stop supporting the ifup/ifdown scripts with the interfaces file. Though there are other ways to configure the network in debian.
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• 2257[17:53:00] <mason> somiaj: Yeah, that matches what I've found. I might end up using Debian where I use Ubuntu in some roles today. I really like ifupdown.
• 2258[17:53:06] <mason> and /etc/network/interfaces
• 2259[17:53:23] <mason> ty
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• 2265[17:57:29] <pragomer> i want to install and use debian testing as a rolling productive system. which iso to take now? replaced-url
• 2266[17:58:08] <mason> pragomer: Testing isn't meant for production. Start with a stable and roll forward, though, if you want.
• 2267[17:58:24] <somiaj> pragomer: you do realize you will get lots of bugs and the security support in testing can take 10+ days to get fixes?
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• 2269[17:58:43] <somiaj> pragomer: and the standard advise is if you don't know how to install testing you probably shouldn't. Anyways use the stable isntaller and dist-upgrade
• 2270[17:59:09] <pragomer> mm.. i always used stable.. but i wanted to be a bit more "on the edge".. and my thougths were: testing rolling will always be more stable then e.g. ubuntu and so.
• 2271[17:59:14] <pragomer> isnt that a right thesis?
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• 2273[17:59:39] <nkuttler> testing is not a rolling release
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• 2278[18:00:27] <pragomer> mm... can I use debian as a rolling release the is more "bleeding edge" like for example arch or tumbleweed? (these are greate but I like debian so much)
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• 2280[18:00:34] <somiaj> pragomer: testing is a constantly moving target where new packages get thrown into it with the conditions 1) Package has been in sid for 10+ days with no rc bugs. 2) the package is isntallable using depends in testing.
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• 2286[18:01:10] <somiaj> pragomer: you can run testing or sid and have your packages completely move, but it is not considered a release, and the quality control is poor by debian standards (since this is the quality control part of the development process)
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• 2291[18:01:47] <l9> i have a port that i have tunneled too my server how can i make that port accessible to others
• 2292[18:01:48] <somiaj> pragomer: standard advise is don't use testing for a production system if uptime is important.
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• 2296[18:02:14] <somiaj> l9: what do you mean tunneled to your server? You mean using some router that connects to the internet to forward/tunnel the port?
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• 2298[18:02:35] <pragomer> uptime is not sooo important.. i know to reinstall a debian stable with all my config within 2 hours or to recover an image.. so... i would not be thus important..
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• 2301[18:03:17] <pragomer> just dont know if I want to try it out: take sid or testing? to have a comparable rolling thing like tumbleweed or arch?
• 2302[18:03:21] <somiaj> pragomer: if you like to play around and fix things as they break, testing might be for you. Note the slow security support is something you should keep your eye on.
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• 2304[18:03:42] <somiaj> pragomer: testing and sid each have their own slightly different flavor, but can both be considered moving.
• 2305[18:03:42] <pragomer> ok thanks
• 2306[18:03:43] <l9> somiaj: i have a ssh tunnel on port 8096 to this computer so that i can access that port with localhost:8096 but i want the network to be able to reach it on 10.0.0.1 port 8096
• 2307[18:04:01] <l9> using ssh config
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• 2309[18:04:13] <buu> Is there any good comprehensive monitoring software for amd/tr4?
• 2310[18:04:13] <somiaj> pragomer: sid gets packages with little to no testing, and could contain bugs that completely take out your system after an upgrade. testing at least has 10+ days of a package in sid to spot any of the errors.
• 2311[18:04:40] <pragomer> ok so this is a little difference that is good to know ;-)
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• 2315[18:05:27] <somiaj> pragomer: testing has sid as a cushion and blocks a lot of bugs, and packages in testing are always guarnteed to be installable (not so in sid), but there is a dely of 10+ days for new packages, and large transitions can make this delay take even longer.
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• 2317[18:06:08] <somiaj> l9: why are you using ssh to tunnel and not say iptables?
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• 2319[18:06:37] <somiaj> l9: I think only users with ssh access can access the tunnel as it is encrypted, but I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here.
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• 2321[18:07:04] <l9> somiaj: well the port is forwarded from china, and the server in china only allows me to connect with that ssh connectino
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• 2323[18:07:24] <somiaj> l9: so you want to let other people use your ssh tunnel?
• 2324[18:08:03] <l9> somiaj: yes i want other clients inside my network too reach the port 8096
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• 2328[18:09:07] <somiaj> l9: replaced-url
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• 2332[18:09:22] <somiaj> l9: that answer seems to suggest you can have ssh listen on more than localhost.
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• 2334[18:09:54] <somiaj> though answer 2 seems to suggest as I did, this is a strange way to go about port forwarding, but I'm unsure on the details or your setup.
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• 2336[18:10:44] <l9> well almost i think... huh netstat isnt default installed on debian ?
• 2337[18:11:07] <somiaj> ss is the replacement
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• 2340[18:11:28] <somiaj> you can still install it from net-tools, but netstat is considered one of the depecriated nettools
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• 2346[18:14:11] <l9> awsome :) i solved it by using -o GatewayPorts=yes
• 2347[18:14:33] <l9> why has netstat become depricated?
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• 2351[18:16:16] <somiaj> l9: just being replaced with the more modern tool, all part of iproute2 (ifconfig is depericated in favor of ip, and so on)
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• 2353[18:16:34] <somiaj> the tools are still around, and work, and won't be going anywhere soon, they just are now optional
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• 2355[18:17:19] <l9> i like the ifconfig and netstat makes my days easier when changing from bsd to debian and back :P
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• 2358[18:18:51] <mason> l9: Yeah, ip is shiny and ifconfig isn't, and that's largely the rationalle. And on top of that, ip is being pushed aside by NetworkManager. Just agitate if anyone threatens to remove the packages entirely and we'll likely keep them for years.
• 2359[18:18:52] <buu> *deprecated
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• 2362[18:19:58] <l9> mason: I am not that found of all these shiny new toys, but i can see why tho
• 2363[18:20:03] <l9> buu: thanks :)
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• 2377[18:25:20] <Megaf> Greetings folks, wish an amazing year. How can I make apt use a socksv5 proxy?
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• 2379[18:26:12] <Megaf> I will be google as well while waiting for suggestions.
• 2380[18:26:27] <l9> somiaj, mason, buu thank you, and happy new years :)
• 2381[18:26:32] <bolovanos> happy new year
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• 2383[18:26:36] <mason> l9: Happy new year. :)
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• 2389[18:28:09] <bolovanos> I have Stretch(64bit) in virtual box on W1064bit, I am trying to "su root" but it ignores my pass (this pass was working few weeks ago - taken from keePass..)
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• 2392[18:28:29] <bolovanos> is this known issue?
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• 2402[18:30:12] <jhutchins> l9: replaced-url
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• 2404[18:30:31] <jhutchins> bolovanos: What do you mean it ignores it?
• 2405[18:30:52] <bolovanos> su: Authentication failure
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• 2408[18:31:21] <jhutchins> The correct form is "su -" (You can use just su but that's sloppy and leads to dangerous habits.)
• 2409[18:31:22] <SSD-newbie> Happy GNU Year!
• 2410[18:31:32] <jhutchins> bolovanos: See if it works with that.
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• 2414[18:32:03] <bolovanos> su -
• 2415[18:32:03] <bolovanos> Password:
• 2416[18:32:03] <bolovanos> su: Authentication failure
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• 2418[18:32:07] <bolovanos> :/
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• 2420[18:32:16] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Do you have sudo configured?
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• 2422[18:32:24] <bolovanos> it does not work either for ssh user@localhost
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• 2425[18:32:45] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Your ordinary user can log in though?
• 2426[18:32:53] <bolovanos> jhutchins, it was set up from installation and it was working 3 weeks ago
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• 2430[18:33:26] <jhutchins> bolovanos: That doesn't answer whether your regular user can log in. Check on a console - Ctrl-alt-F1
• 2431[18:33:31] <bolovanos> jhutchins, yes one of the users have key authentication
• 2432[18:33:40] <bolovanos> this one is able to log in
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• 2436[18:34:00] <bolovanos> but the other one which does not have key auth setup is not accessbile
• 2437[18:34:12] <jhutchins> bolovanos: ssh access only?
• 2438[18:34:19] <bolovanos> yes
• 2439[18:34:34] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Any chance someone else got in and messed with it?
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• 2446[18:35:43] <bolovanos> jhutchins, nobody from my network is capable of that -
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• 2448[18:36:50] <Kristjan> I'm in urgent need for money. Please help me. Send to my paypal account(My e-mail: kristjanrobam@hotmail.com) or bank account: EE671010010225901016. Name: Kristjan Robam. Thanks!
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• 2450[18:37:08] <bolovanos> sometimes the VBox is not being turned off properly (just restart of parent OS) - maybe login settings for those acc are corrupted?
• 2451[18:37:10] <SSD-newbie> I understand that NVme SSD needs UEFI but is my SSD an NVMe device? My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive
• 2452[18:37:32] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Yeah, authentication method is brokenn.
• 2453[18:37:39] <sim590> My wireless card lets me associate with an access point, but I can't get packets on the network. The network works well on other devices presently. Ethernet works fine. How can I diagnose the issue?
• 2454[18:37:47] <sim590> dmesg doesn't seem to show anything relevant.
• 2455[18:38:06] <jhutchins> bolovanos: I'm not coming up with any way to recover without root, which would require physical access.
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• 2457[18:38:34] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Unless you have sudo set up - which you have't said yet.
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• 2460[18:39:12] <s1_> does anyone know if the pixel 2 is supported with MTP?
• 2461[18:39:52] <s1_> replaced-url
• 2462[18:39:59] <bolovanos> jhutchins, I said that sudo was working by the time I setup the system - I was normally using it
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• 2464[18:40:27] <bolovanos> jhutchins, what other way which need physical access (the last thing I have) would you recommend?
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• 2466[18:40:31] <Kristjan> I'm in urgent need for money. Please help me. Send to my paypal account(My e-mail: kristjanrobam@hotmail.com) or bank account: EE671010010225901016. Name: Kristjan Robam. Thanks!
• 2467[18:40:46] <s1_> how do I get the PID/VID of the pixel 2?
• 2468[18:40:58] <s1_> dmesg/lsusb shows nothing
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• 2471[18:41:58] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Oh, if sudo works just sudo -i and look at the system, look at /var/log/auth.log and dmesg and syslog, try resetting the root password.
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• 2474[18:42:30] <jhutchins> s1_: Are you maybe looking for the lsbid?
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• 2477[18:43:09] <s1_> I have no idea what they want, I can't find any logs of this either
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• 2479[18:43:20] <s1_> nothing isin /var/log/*
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• 2481[18:43:37] <jhutchins> s1_: If dmesg doesn't show anything when you connect it then it's not in USB mode. You might be able to detect it with a photo app with MTP can see it. You might need to put it in share mode to enable a data connection.
• 2482[18:43:40] <bolovanos> jhutchins, sudo -i \n [sudo] password for XYZ: \n XYZ is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
• 2483[18:43:48] <bolovanos> auth.log is accessible only for root
• 2484[18:43:57] <jhutchins> Ach.
• 2485[18:43:58] <bolovanos> ok - I am doomed
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• 2487[18:44:03] <bolovanos> :/
• 2488[18:44:05] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Very nearly.
• 2489[18:44:15] <s1_> what apps support mtp?
• 2490[18:44:21] <jhutchins> try setting the password for the user who can get in with passwd
• 2491[18:44:28] <s1_> it is in USB mode
• 2492[18:44:31] <s1_> I tried all of them
• 2493[18:44:41] <jhutchins> s1_: I know some of the photo apps do, but not which.
• 2494[18:44:59] <jhutchins> s1_: Bad port or cable?
• 2495[18:45:13] <bolovanos> I would be happy to know what happened to avoid it next time - this way I am blind and it can happen again
• 2496[18:45:14] <s1_> no
• 2497[18:45:18] <s1_> its "charging" right now
• 2498[18:45:19] <jhutchins> dpkg: tell bolovanos about ifrp
• 2499[18:45:37] <jhutchins> dpkg: botsnack
• 2500[18:45:37] <s1_> it uses USB C, I dont have my USB A connector
• 2501[18:45:38] <dpkg> :), jhutchins
• 2502[18:45:43] <jhutchins> Hrm.
• 2503[18:45:49] <jhutchins> !ifrp
• 2504[18:45:49] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 2505[18:45:59] <s1_> does gimp support MTP?
• 2506[18:46:21] <bolovanos> anyway thank you for assist jhutchins!
• 2507[18:46:24] <s1_> xsane doesn't see any devices
• 2508[18:46:56] <s1_> I suppose it could be a bad port, but I doubt it
• 2509[18:47:01] <jhutchins> bolovanos: So that procedure requres physical access, but at least you can get to it.
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• 2514[18:47:28] <jhutchins> bolovanos: You could try blindly rebooting it, or since you say it's virtual just power cycle it.
• 2515[18:47:39] <s1_> typical google, ripoff the linux kernel, re-sell and don't support linux
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• 2517[18:48:25] <Ke> spice support seems to be disabled in debian buster/sid qemu-system-aarch64, does anyone know anything about this
• 2518[18:48:37] <bolovanos> jhutchins, great will try it - not now, because it will take some time to backup VM and other stuff, but it looks promising :)
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• 2522[18:50:01] <jhutchins> s1_: There's this, but it suggests you might need the Android SDK: replaced-url
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• 2524[18:50:16] <jhutchins> bolovanos: Good that you're making a backup!
• 2525[18:50:33] <s1_> I already did that
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• 2527[18:50:48] <s1_> I dont need the android SDK for the linux kernel
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• 2529[18:51:34] <SSD-newbie> replaced-url
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• 2532[18:53:32] <SSD-newbie> The info on replaced-url
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• 2534[18:55:30] <fasdfd> <SSD-newbie>, it's totally safe
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• 2536[18:55:45] <s1_> later
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• 2539[18:56:00] <fasdfd> if you did that >every< day then that may damage drive after many months
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• 2541[18:56:12] <eeboaz> I would just load the data -- it should not make an actual difference to load the data (especially if it's static)
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• 2543[18:56:34] <eeboaz> if you're going to be rewriting that data often, then you might have problems long term
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• 2551[18:58:59] <SSD-newbie> The 100 GB is static data, pdfs and videos that are not going to be edited. Is it safe to transfer the whole 100GB in one day? No, i am not going to transfer 40 GB of data every day.
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• 2553[18:59:55] <SSD-newbie> My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive. Is my drive NVMe?
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• 2562[19:01:47] <styks1987> Does CRON_TZ work on debian jessie? It isn’t working for me and I wanted to check and see if it was user error or something else.
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• 2574[19:07:08] <SSD-newbie> My SSD is: Micron 1100 Series MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive and want to install Debian 9, shall i do a UEFI or a Legacy installation?
• 2575[19:07:19] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: Modern SSD drives (which pretty much means anything that hasn't alredy died) don't really need optimization.
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• 2578[19:07:49] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: High-volume writes were only a problem when they were random writes as opposed to a steady stream of data.
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• 2580[19:08:25] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, thanks for the info. shall i do a UEFI or a Legacy installation?
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• 2582[19:09:25] <mason> SSD-newbie: Little reason to do legacy nowadays.
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• 2584[19:09:32] <SSD-newbie> The Micron 1100 Series MTFDDAV256TBN-1AR12A 256GB M.2 SATA Internal Solid State Drive is my laptop's ONLY storage device. Debian 9 will be the only OS on my laptop. I will NOT dual boot
• 2585[19:09:45] <annadane> as far as i can tell (which isn't much) you can basically run SDDs and HDDs the same way these days
• 2586[19:09:59] <annadane> it's basically the same number of writes
• 2587[19:10:03] <mason> Except for passing discards.
• 2588[19:10:08] <annadane> SSDs*
• 2589[19:10:16] <annadane> discards?
• 2590[19:10:25] <mason> TRIM
• 2591[19:11:02] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2592[19:11:04] <annadane> apparently
• 2593[19:11:17] <mason> Yes, that.
• 2594[19:11:42] <mason> Depending on the FS, scheduling the occasional fstrim is a good idea.
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• 2596[19:12:18] <annadane> (and of course storage is more expensive in SSDs but that's an economics and not a technology thing)
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• 2601[19:13:53] <SSD-newbie> mason, so you recommend doing a UEFI installation instead of a Legacy one? What would be the benefits of UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB and my decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
• 2602[19:13:54] <jhutchins> We have an entire multi-terabyte SSD NAS system.
• 2603[19:14:16] <mason> SSD-newbie: Potential for SecureBoot.
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• 2605[19:15:08] <jhutchins> mason: Which you don't want, as the whole idea for SecureBoot was to prevent people from installing Linux.
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• 2609[19:15:45] <mason> jhutchins: Well. That's FUD.
• 2610[19:16:10] <mason> My laptop sitting on my desk here is running Linux and SecureBoot *right now*.
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• 2615[19:16:54] <jhutchins> mason: Right. The industry wouldn't put up with it, and Microsoft figured out what would happen to their anti-trust lawsuits, so they "fixed" it.
• 2616[19:17:02] <doublehp> what are the equivalent of minicom ? I am running a liveCD and it does not include minicom ... but there probably is an equivalent installed under an other name
• 2617[19:17:16] <jhutchins> mason: What do you think SecureBoot protects you from?
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• 2620[19:17:45] <mason> jhutchins: You'd have some fun researching the particular threat model it addresses, so I won't spoil that.
• 2621[19:18:03] <jhutchins> doublehp: Probably not. Serial communication isn't much of a thing these days, not likely to find it on the Live images.
• 2622[19:18:12] <jhutchins> mason: Meaning you have no idea.
• 2623[19:18:19] <mason> jhutchins: Happy New Year
• 2624[19:18:42] <annadane> i wonder if debian can autodetect whether a drive in SSD, i feel it can/does
• 2625[19:18:47] <annadane> s/in/is
• 2626[19:18:50] <doublehp> jhutchins: if you knew ...
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• 2628[19:19:13] <SSD-newbie> Since I will not enable SecureBoot, my question remains the same. UEFI or Legacy ? What would be the benefits of UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB and my decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
• 2629[19:20:03] <mason> SSD-newbie: Beats me then. You seem to have enough information to decide on your own.
• 2630[19:20:03] <doublehp> jhutchins: most mobile phones (and especially smartphones) include at least 2 serial ports, 3 I2C bus, and several other SPI bus ...
• 2631[19:20:39] <doublehp> jhutchins: fortunately ... I can aptitude install on that system
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• 2636[19:22:14] <SSD-newbie> mason, no i do not
• 2637[19:22:20] <jhutchins> doublehp: Yeah, but actually using a serial port as a communication device - like over a modem to a router or something - is pretty rare. I know you can do it without minicom, but I'm not sure of the details. I think you can start some of the terminal emulators, or getty, on a connection to a serial port.
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• 2641[19:23:19] <mason> doublehp: You can use screen for the purpose.
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• 2644[19:23:29] <mason> Worth having screen installed anyway, so there you go.
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• 2652[19:24:32] <doublehp> mason: you are right; it's the best time for me to undust my VT100 :) 12y without using it ...
• 2653[19:24:46] <Satou> Hello. Is there a way for me to list all the packages that I've installed manually with dpkg and that are not in the repository?
• 2654[19:24:54] <mason> doublehp: I mean GNU screen.
• 2655[19:25:01] <mason> But yes, that too. :P
• 2656[19:25:03] <annadane> !frankendebian
• 2657[19:25:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2658[19:25:08] <annadane> Satou, ^
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• 2660[19:25:25] <doublehp> mason: and the point of Orange Pi Zero is ... to not include an expensive DVI plug like the Raspberry Pi ... thats why oPi are much cheaper
• 2661[19:25:28] <Satou> annadane, I know that's not the "Debian way" of installing packages. That's why I want to find and remove them.
• 2662[19:25:28] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2664[19:25:50] <jhutchins> !partial downgrade
• 2665[19:25:50] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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• 2668[19:26:29] <jhutchins> Satou: dpkg -l - if they're well made, they'll have repo info.
• 2669[19:26:41] <mason> doublehp: Ah, hadn't heard of the Orange Pi. Neat. I'll look. I'd frankly be happier with serial than the mini-DVI-thing for my purposes.
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• 2671[19:27:03] <doublehp> Satou: there is one: install the bashlogger extension just after installing your system, fix logrotate to never remove any log, and, zgrep your /var/log to check what you typed in the past
• 2672[19:27:54] <Satou> thank you jhutchins
• 2673[19:28:12] <Satou> I maybe could list all the packages that I've installed and use apt-list and compare them
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• 2676[19:29:38] <chovekoo> is there someone that tried drinking gasoline?
• 2677[19:29:55] <mason> doublehp: I got one for $5 locally, but all the giblets to make it usable were more. Serial would help with that.
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• 2680[19:32:24] <jhutchins> Satou: Have you allways pulled from repositories, or have you downloaded and installed with dpkg?
• 2681[19:32:43] <Satou> I did ocasionally install some software using dpkg
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• 2684[19:33:20] <Satou> I think Firefox and a couple of other bits of software.
• 2685[19:34:38] <jhutchins> Satou: apd/dpkg don't preserve that information when you install something. apt-cache policy <package> or apt-cache showinfo <package> might tell you.
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• 2688[19:35:05] <SSD-newbie> Since I will not enable SecureBoot, my question remains the same. UEFI or Legacy ? What would be the benefits of UEFI on my laptop considering my SDD size is just 256GB and my decision to have Debain 9 as the only OS on my laptop?
• 2689[19:35:05] <jhutchins> Satou: Probably not for direct downloads (or packages that have been removed from the repo).
• 2690[19:35:24] <Satou> jhutchins, I see, I'm going to do a cleanup right now and delete packages that I don't use. Would running apt-get purge <package> suffice removing a package installed with dpkg?
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• 2694[19:35:47] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: It's up to you really. You might want to read about the advantages of EFI. Apple has been using it for a long time, and they don't tend to design for multi-boot OSs.
• 2695[19:36:00] <jhutchins> Satou: Should.
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• 2697[19:36:14] <Satou> jhutchins, Thank you.
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• 2701[19:38:00] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: I think one of the difference is that it's a lot easier to update than a CMOS BIOS. That assumes that your manufacturer provides updates.
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• 2708[19:40:09] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: It's supposed to boot faster too. I'd recommend it, getting used to it is probably a good idea.
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• 2710[19:40:51] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, can those updates be installed on a Debian only laptop, that is a laptop that does not have Windows?
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• 2718[19:45:11] <mason> SSD-newbie: Depends entirely on your UEFI firmware.
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• 2721[19:45:45] <mason> Note that sometimes upgrading your firmware can be a step backwards.
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• 2766[20:11:25] <rizonz> hi guys, Happy 2018!!
• 2767[20:11:32] <rizonz> sorry I need this one ;)
• 2768[20:11:33] <rizonz> !moo
• 2769[20:11:33] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
• 2770[20:11:35] <dvs> bah!
• 2771[20:12:06] <jhutchins> SSD-newbie: Yes, that's one of the advantages, it's a normal filesystem instead of a programmable chip.
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• 2787[20:23:10] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, ok thank you. will attempt the UEFI install later on today
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• 2790[20:23:56] <dvs> huh? you didn't do that alreayd?
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• 2793[20:24:51] <Megaf> $ cat ~/.bash_history | grep push
• 2794[20:24:51] <Megaf> Binary file (standard input) matches
• 2795[20:25:11] <Megaf> folks, for some weird reason my system thinks my bash_history is a binary file
• 2796[20:25:22] <Megaf> how can I tell it otherwise?
• 2797[20:25:28] <nkuttler> maybe it is? what did you do to it?
• 2798[20:25:44] <nkuttler> file ~/.bash_history ?
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• 2800[20:26:07] <Megaf> it says data nkuttler
• 2801[20:26:26] <Megaf> I'm sure there must be some binary data there from some echo command or dd
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• 2803[20:26:48] <nkuttler> remove it?
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• 2805[20:27:48] <Megaf> well, fixed
• 2806[20:27:50] <jhutchins> Megaf: Probably not worth trying to recover it, but you could run strings on it, or just open it with less or an editor to see what it looks like.
• 2807[20:27:56] <jhutchins> Megaf: rm?
• 2808[20:27:58] <Megaf> found one line with some weird stuff
• 2809[20:28:06] <Megaf> removed weird stuff, done
• 2810[20:28:11] <jhutchins> Xlnt
• 2811[20:28:14] <Megaf> edited it with nano
• 2812[20:28:29] <Megaf> now file reports UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines
• 2813[20:29:01] <jhutchins> Megaf: Suggests further corruption.
• 2814[20:29:20] <Megaf> There is some very long lines there...
• 2815[20:29:28] <Megaf> cmake and make lines mostly
• 2816[20:29:36] <jhutchins> Megaf: Legitimate?
• 2817[20:29:51] <jhutchins> Usually "very long lines" means more than 256 characters i think.
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• 2819[20:30:44] <Megaf> jhutchins: yup
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• 2829[20:35:35] <zu22> Happy New Year everyone!
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• 2832[20:36:06] * dvs still lives in 2017
• 2833[20:36:16] <Logg> how
• 2834[20:36:24] <dvs> denial
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• 2840[20:39:00] <bolovanos> jhutchins, back - I was trying to edit my grub, added "init=/bin/sh" pressed f10 but it starts with login screen ( I have already tested to add this "init=/bin/bash" also - same result)
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• 2844[20:40:48] <bolovanos> I have tried to boot in rescue mode - it does not boot straight into a shell, but one interresting thing appeared replaced-url
• 2845[20:41:06] <bolovanos> found this replaced-url
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• 2850[20:43:36] <bolovanos> do not remember locking my root acc
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• 2870[20:54:22] <EdePopede> so, good evening. finally i am about to start upgrading my system. which means that i have to bring a 4TB disk into a usable state. should become a data disk (there's a 1TB for the system) with not too big partitions (unluckily i have to REISUB and later fsck regularly, and even on the 200GB partition it takes horribly long).
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• 2872[20:56:21] <EdePopede> so far i did a testrun on a 1GB file, which worked until i did mkfs partition 1. now it reports a corrupt GPT. and before i do this to the disk i should know what could have been wrong.
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• 2876[20:58:15] <evilsveta> my reportbug isn't working
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• 2878[20:58:38] <evilsveta> i write the bug report but it does not email the bug anywhere and does not ask my email settings
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• 2884[21:02:41] <evilsveta> please help
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• 2887[21:03:26] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, i am at the partitioning stage of the installation, do i have to you leave (unpartitioned) free space on the 256GB SSD? how much?
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• 2890[21:06:54] <SSD-newbie> I have 8 GB of RAM and will not perform memory intensive operations like video editing and I will not hibernate either. Do i need to create a swap partition?
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• 2892[21:08:21] <ajbone> hello, after installing kali linux to my hdd I get systemd-udevd taking 100% CPU. I don't have this problem on a live boot. As soon as gnome desktop has loaded I get a warning my hdd will likely fail soon. ive been unable to resolve the problem myself or anywhere else so thought I'd try my luck here. Any help appreciated, thanks.
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• 2894[21:08:45] <l3dx> what can I do to avoid having to unload/load modules on every boot? replaced-url
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• 2896[21:09:29] <EdePopede> SSD-newbie: i have 2GB and don't have one for years now. i only get problems when i keep fakebook open for a bit longer. btw, how do you partition? MBR or GPT?
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• 2901[21:11:03] <SSD-newbie> Is a 30 GB / partition too big? I have another laptop which uses a standard mechanical drive and the / partition is 12GB and i have used just half of it.
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• 2904[21:11:41] <SSD-newbie> EdePopede, i am performing a UEFI installation
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• 2908[21:14:11] <SSD-newbie> jhutchins, i am at the partitioning stage of the installation, do i have to you leave (unpartitioned) free space on the 256GB SSD? how much?
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• 2912[21:16:03] <EdePopede> 30 GB for root? mine is half as big, /home of course not included. without the installed packages i still keep in /var/cache/apt it would use around 7GB. libreoffice and java included, but no huge devel environment or sources and the like.
• 2913[21:18:59] <SSD-newbie> EdePopede, do you use that partitioning set up on a SSD and with Debian 9 as your only OS?
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• 2917[21:21:35] <EdePopede> SSD-newbie: nope. i am about to install stable (maybe testing, hm) and still don't use SSD. but at least it is the only os
• 2918[21:21:44] <CobHead> Mount /var somewhere else that is not an SSD :d
• 2919[21:21:57] <CobHead> Log writing and the like
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• 2921[21:23:47] <EdePopede> what about mounting root readonly? i think i did this in the stone age
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• 2923[21:24:58] <SSD-newbie> i am at the partitioning stage of the debian 9 installation, my partition table is as follows: 1.0 FREE SPACE, 536MB ESP (bootable), 21GB / ext4 , 190.5GB /home ext4, 44GB FREE SPACE (at the end of the SSD drive)
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• 2925[21:25:52] <SSD-newbie> Is that partitioning setup ok? Am i leaving too much (unpartitioned) free space on the 256GB SSD?
• 2926[21:26:06] <evilsveta> i tried `find . -name *reportbug*`, no results, where does it store its settings ?
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• 2928[21:26:24] <evilsveta> please confirm you're seeing the queston, i'm not seeing any responses
• 2929[21:27:17] <EdePopede> evilsveta: did you quote '*reportbug'?
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• 2932[21:28:05] <metax> ,w docker
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• 2941[21:31:32] <bolovanos> pff this will end up with same notice "Cannot open access to console, th root account is locked." replaced-url
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• 2943[21:32:23] <bolovanos> replaced-url
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• 2948[21:34:23] <notadrop> do any of you use the grsec kernel with a graphical environment for everyday computing?
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• 2955[21:36:53] <notadrop> is that maybe overkill?
• 2956[21:37:01] <isabellasissy> Hi :)
• 2957[21:37:14] <notadrop> also, replaced-url
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• 2960[21:37:19] <isabellasissy> Should I go with debian-testing or debian-unstable?
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• 2962[21:37:35] <isabellasissy> I've always stuck with Debian Buster, but aparently Debian-Unstable is more supported.
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• 2968[21:39:45] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: python3.4
• 2969[21:39:45] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: I don't know, could you explain it?
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• 2972[21:40:25] <HeXiLeD> what is the name for python3.4 in stretch ?
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• 2975[21:41:46] <notadrop> so you want to use an older version of python3
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• 2983[21:42:51] <jelly> ,v python3.4
• 2984[21:42:52] <judd> Package: python3.4 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-1
• 2985[21:43:01] <jelly> HeXiLeD, there is none
• 2986[21:43:01] <isabellasissy1> Hi.
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• 2988[21:44:02] <notadrop> HeXiLeD: is there some reason you need 3.4, not 3.5.3?
• 2989[21:44:16] <jelly> ,v python3
• 2990[21:44:17] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4~rc1-2; sid: 3.6.4-1
• 2991[21:44:47] <HeXiLeD> notadrop: yah. compiling a package that needs 3.4
• 2992[21:45:08] <jelly> then debian 9 is the wrong platform to choose
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• 2994[21:46:26] <notadrop> the only releases I see on python.org are macOS, Windows and source. doesn't look like they offer a binary of 3.4 that you could download
• 2995[21:46:30] <isabellasissy1> How can I start contributing to Debian?
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• 3000[21:47:45] <HeXiLeD> i think i can solve the py issue. What package provides charset ?
• 3001[21:47:47] <nkuttler> isabellasissy1: install it, use it, report bugs
• 3002[21:47:55] <HeXiLeD> ,v charset
• 3003[21:47:56] <judd> No package named 'charset' was found in amd64.
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• 3007[21:49:01] <nkuttler> !tell HeXiLeD about apt-file
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• 3009[21:50:14] <notadrop> I find this useful: replaced-url
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• 3011[21:50:30] <notadrop> whenever I want to do something with apt that I don't already know how to do, I look here
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• 3040[22:03:44] <rant> I ask you what time it is because I'm waiting for the bus and dont have a watch.. now you gotta stop and be my time kesomething just occured to me. I'm on a hotspot and I use a remote host to irc because I can't stay connected to irc for crap from here, my ssh is fine but its a little laggy at times. I was sitting here thinking, IRC tolerates high latency so why is this so.. and it occured to me IRC remains
• 3041[22:03:50] <rant> connected based on pings, and idk if this is related, but I cannot ping from this machine. ping -c1 google.com gives me "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" any thoughts on this issue or if this is related to my connection problems?
• 3042[22:04:13] <rant> oops. sorry about that first part of the message was apparently a stale message fom hours ago :P
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• 3044[22:05:30] <rant> now I dont think an icmp packet and an irc ping are the same, but perhaps this issue with icmp could be related
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• 3052[22:07:00] <evilsveta> EdePopede: i didn't quote it but quoting it does not help
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• 3090[22:19:53] <notadrop> rant: you might get an answer in ##networking
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• 3093[22:21:08] <hans_> rant, 21:21 UTC
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• 3095[22:21:21] <hans_> srsly guys cant u just tell him the time already?
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• 3097[22:22:12] <rant> you mean me?.. my clock is correct
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• 3099[22:22:37] <rant> though my system has no rtc
• 3100[22:22:47] <hans_> oh cool
• 3101[22:22:50] <hans_> what kinda system is that
• 3102[22:22:51] <Brigo> rant, about you icmp problem, your user lack the permissions.
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• 3104[22:23:19] <rant> Brigo: yep, gathered that.. just didnt know permissions to what exactly.. figured I'd ask before I tried doing it the hard way by stracing
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• 3106[22:23:52] <Brigo> rant, you need root permissions for that, usually ping runs suid.
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• 3108[22:24:08] <Brigo> not not if that was the term :m
• 3109[22:24:29] <rant> really? I didnt know ping required root permissions
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• 3111[22:25:11] <Brigo> rant, ir maybe i'm wrong?
• 3112[22:25:12] <notadrop> it doesn't
• 3113[22:25:22] <notadrop> or it shouldn't
• 3114[22:25:35] <rant> well Brigo is suggesting its suppose to be suid root
• 3115[22:25:54] <notadrop> I assume we're just talking about the 'ping' command
• 3116[22:26:01] <notadrop> it doesn't need root
• 3117[22:26:08] <rant> it DOES work as root, but not as my user and I'm not sure what permissions are lacking, but if nobody knows, I'll just have to strace and find out
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• 3125[22:26:16] <notadrop> oh okay
• 3126[22:26:20] <notadrop> I don't know then
• 3127[22:26:34] <Brigo> i am right: replaced-url
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• 3129[22:27:00] <Brigo> you have to setuid ping if you want to run it as a normal user.
• 3130[22:28:23] <rant> thats very odd.. I've never done that before.. it must've been default normally and gotten fudged somehow if thats true
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• 3134[22:28:50] <Brigo> well, i have to say my ping isn't setuid and runs as normal user.
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• 3136[22:29:00] <Brigo> maybe my user have some special permissions.
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• 3138[22:31:14] <Brigo> there is another way, safer: replaced-url
• 3139[22:31:29] * rant shrugs
• 3140[22:31:34] <awal1> my ping isn't setuid, but I can ping as regular user
• 3141[22:32:16] <rant> group perms wouldnt be relevant to the binary itself its -rwx-r-x-rx root root
• 3142[22:32:48] <Brigo> much better explanation: replaced-url
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• 3147[22:33:24] <awal1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 61240 nov 10 2016 /bin/ping
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• 3155[22:36:36] <denton> hey having trouble with nvidia driver on Dell XPS 15 9530... can anyone help?
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• 3160[22:38:18] <rant> DebianN00b: first don't change nick right after asking a question, and be more specific.. are we talking the debian nvidia packages, what version of debian, what is the problem you are having ?
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• 3162[22:38:55] <rant> also don't direct your question at me, I'm having high lag right now.. heh
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• 3170[22:42:25] <DebianN00b> sorry... using siduction (debian unstable) because of rolling release. yes i'm talking about debian nvidia (nonfree) packages. problem: installed all packages, after reboot no GUI
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• 3173[22:43:32] <rant> DebianN00b: siduction? is that actually a thing or is that just your term?
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• 3177[22:44:43] <Arahael> siduction looks like an actual distro.
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• 3180[22:44:47] <Arahael> It's not sid.
• 3181[22:44:58] <rant> then thats way off topic even for #debian-next
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• 3183[22:45:29] <Arahael> It's "based on debian unstable", but that's about it. It's still a separate distro.
• 3184[22:46:17] <rant> DebianN00b: short answer, you're not using Debian, and you probably should be.. we have a large support community and good working software. If you're interested in discussing your reasons for using some bastardized version of our most unstable packages so we can maybe find a better solution for you, that's on topic here.
• 3185[22:46:53] <rant> Arahael: did you happen to see any mention of a support channel / network for them?
• 3186[22:46:57] <Psyb3rN4ut> Arahael: siduction IS debian sid...only a couple startup scripts and different installer
• 3187[22:47:15] <coruja> DebianN00b, why don't you ask in #siduction (on oftc network)?
• 3188[22:47:30] <Psyb3rN4ut> Arahael: the repos are all debian
• 3189[22:47:30] <n4dir> The discussion is pointless. This channel doesn't support it.
• 3190[22:48:00] <Carno> and a different kernel, which us the piont here ;-) AFAIR there is a proposed solution @ siduction forum
• 3191[22:48:08] <Psyb3rN4ut> coruja: the liklihood of a solution is greater here due to larger user base
• 3192[22:48:31] <coruja> i doubt this as siduction isn't supported here
• 3193[22:48:36] <rant> the discussion is not pointless if the user is willing to backpedal to their reasons for choosing siduction, but if they want support on their issues with it, then yeah, they need to go get support on OFTC
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• 3197[22:49:57] <rant> Psyb3rN4ut: thats why we encourage users to use our stable distro which is what we support here.. and we help them find other solutions to issues that cause them to use other things
• 3198[22:50:09] <jhutchins> We don't actually support sid here, except for generic problems.
• 3199[22:50:27] <rant> more often than not people not using stable are doing it for the wrong reasons and there are better solutions
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• 3204[22:51:40] <coruja> he just should ask for support in the right channel, that's all
• 3205[22:52:05] <coruja> it's not our task to tell users what to use
• 3206[22:52:09] <Arahael> replaced-url
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• 3208[22:52:54] <rant> coruja: its not our task to tell them what to use, but it is our task to help them if they're using the wrong thing because they dont know how to accomplish something they want to do on stable
• 3209[22:52:55] <Psyb3rN4ut> rant: i personally support DebianN00b with all his issues....just avoid nvidia all together myself so have never used bumblebee or any of the related hassle
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• 3211[22:53:19] <Psyb3rN4ut> rant: we are now asking on #siduction
• 3212[22:53:27] <petn-randall> !siduction
• 3213[22:53:27] <dpkg> somebody said siduction was a distribution that is <based on Debian> sid. It is not supported in #debian. Try #siduction on irc.oftc.net. replaced-url
• 3214[22:53:28] <rant> Python1320: kudos.
• 3215[22:53:40] <Psyb3rN4ut> petn-randall: sorry
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• 3217[22:53:51] <rant> fwiw, to further discuss support theology of sorts, we can do that in #debian-offtopic :P
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• 3220[22:55:47] <Psyb3rN4ut> the sid channel on oftc is really quite silent...not many users to answer there
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• 3222[22:56:08] <Carno> Psyb3rN4ut, replaced-url
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• 3224[22:56:23] <Arahael> Why do some people prefer rolling releases, anyway?
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• 3226[22:56:34] <petn-randall> Psyb3rN4ut: It might have less talk in there, but pretty much all the long-time people in here are also there.
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• 3228[22:56:50] <Psyb3rN4ut> have had faster responses from SirCmPwn...hehe
• 3229[22:57:01] <Psyb3rN4ut> petn-randall: ok...cool
• 3230[22:57:09] <SirCmpwn> sorry?
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• 3240[22:58:46] <benbro1> is it possible to install a package from buster/sid on stretch?
• 3241[22:58:47] <benbro1> replaced-url
• 3242[22:58:52] <Psyb3rN4ut> SirCmpwn: on wayl*** channel....not always much action over there....no offense intended...you rock for wayl***
• 3243[22:59:07] <benbro1> I need the newer version on google-cloud which only have debian 8 and 9 images
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• 3248[22:59:25] <petn-randall> ,v coturn
• 3249[22:59:26] <judd> Package: coturn on amd64 -- jessie: 4.2.1.2-1; jessie-backports: 4.5.0.2-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.5.0.5-1+b1; buster: 4.5.0.7-1; sid: 4.5.0.7-1
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• 3254[23:00:13] <jhutchins> benbro1: That's because Google doesn't want you running broken stuff in their cloud.
• 3255[23:00:14] <petn-randall> benbro1: The sid package is only two bugfix releases higher, high version do you need specifically?
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• 3257[23:00:19] <jhutchins> !ssb
• 3258[23:00:19] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 3259[23:00:35] <petn-randall> *which
• 3260[23:00:45] <dvs> witch
• 3261[23:00:46] <benbro1> petn-randall: I think I do. need to check
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• 3263[23:01:27] <benbro1> jhutchins: I don't see backports on the package page
• 3264[23:02:22] <petn-randall> benbro1: That's why there's a "If unavailable" part in the factoid.
• 3265[23:02:53] <jhutchins> benbro1: There isn't a version of coturn on stretc-backports anyway.
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• 3267[23:03:18] <SirCmpwn> k
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• 3270[23:05:45] <jhutchins> benbro1: backports only happen if there's a significant new feature or fix, so there probably isn't anything.
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• 3274[23:06:04] <benbro1> petn-randall: I don't understand the if
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• 3278[23:06:37] <petn-randall> benbro1: First of all, what exact feature do you need from coturn, which isn't available in stable?
• 3279[23:06:51] <petn-randall> benbro1: If that feature isn't in sid, backporting won't help much.
• 3280[23:07:18] <benbro1> I'm getting an error: "TLS/TCP socket buffer operation error"
• 3281[23:07:26] <benbro1> and hope it got fixed in a newer release
• 3282[23:07:39] <benbro1> replaced-url
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• 3285[23:07:59] <benbro1> it says fixed in 4.5.06 but I think I need higher version
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• 3298[23:10:50] <petn-randall> benbro1: So it seems that it is fixed in the version in sid. So backporting it would indeed fix the issue.
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• 3300[23:11:10] <petn-randall> benbro1: What part about about the factoid don't you understand?
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• 3304[23:12:41] <benbro1> 1. Add a deb-src line for sid - ok
• 3305[23:13:09] <benbro1> 2. enable debian-backports. ptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; - ok
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• 3310[23:13:32] <benbro1> ok. I think I get it. I'll try. thanks
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• 3314[23:14:34] <petn-randall> benbro1: You'll end up building the package on your local machine, and in the end you'll have a .deb file that contains the updated version, compiled for stretch.
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• 3316[23:14:47] <benbro1> cool. I'll try it
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• 3318[23:15:17] <petn-randall> benbro1: Keep in mind though that you have to keep track of updates yourself that way, so it's a bit more maintainence burden that way.
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• 3320[23:16:18] <benbro1> ok
• 3321[23:16:30] <benbro1> in few months we will have new release
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• 3328[23:18:58] <abrock> hi
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• 3330[23:19:51] <abrock> I have a problem with X: every time I boot my PC the screen flickers for a few seconds before it goes black (backlight on)
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• 3334[23:20:33] <abrock> Usually it helps to switch to another consolse (ctrl alt f1) and back (ctrl alt f7)
• 3335[23:20:51] <abrock> but it only helps sometimes, and it usually takes several tries
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• 3338[23:21:49] <abrock> How can I debug it?
• 3339[23:21:51] <Brigo> abrock, we'll need more information.
• 3340[23:22:05] <Brigo> what debian version? what graphic card?
• 3341[23:22:37] <abrock> geforce gtx 970 m
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• 3345[23:23:07] <abrock> debian testing (buster)
• 3346[23:23:39] <abrock> laptop has intel graphic + nvidia but I disabled the intel in the bios
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• 3352[23:25:30] <abrock> it doesn't occur when I suspend to ram which I usually do
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• 3355[23:26:13] <abrock> I only properly reboot when I get a new kernel or when I forget to plug the power in and the battery runs out
• 3356[23:26:53] <Brigo> abrock, same as me.
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• 3361[23:29:15] <abrock> whenever I switch to workspace 7 I get either a flickering screen for a few seconds then black, or a normal image except for the lower 10% of the screen for a few seconds then black
• 3362[23:29:34] <abrock> once black nothing else happens
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• 3365[23:29:56] <abrock> suspending to ram and wakeup also trigger that behaviour
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• 3368[23:32:56] <abrock> I tried "service xdm stop" but that command hangs forever
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• 3370[23:34:06] <abrock> once I get a stable image I have no more problems at all until I reboot
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• 3395[23:45:06] <abrock> aaand it fixed itself as usual
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• 3400[23:45:30] <abrock> I hate it, it's difficult to debug
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• 3409[23:48:34] <Brigo> abrock, the logs have to be there yet.
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• 3421[23:53:32] <abrock> Brigo: in which log do I have to look?
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• 3426[23:54:09] <abrock> btw, here is a video of the problem: replaced-url
• 3427[23:54:34] <Brigo> abrock, maybe journald with journalctl.
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• 3431[23:58:55] <abrock> I find tons of messages like this: Jan 01 23:39:24 toothless systemd[1]: Detaching egress BPF program from cgroup failed: Invalid argument
• 3432[23:59:33] <abrock> a couple hundred within one second, looks like I get them every time I try to switch workspaces
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