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1[00:00:11] <rpifan> how can i type the 20 different things i tried
2[00:00:17] <rpifan> i already tried all the vga options
3[00:00:23] <sypher> By typing. By a paste service.
4[00:00:24] <rpifan> and the nomodset which is what the guides recommended
5[00:00:42] <rpifan> i cant past from a system that hasnt booted
6[00:00:45] <rpifan> paste
7[00:00:47] <sypher> !paste
8[00:00:47] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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10[00:01:29] <rpifan> is there a way to start teh installer from inside the live debian image a la ubuntu
11[00:03:55] <jmcnaught> rpifan: live images have installers on them, but they have some issues. there's a bug open right now where the root password isn't set correctly on installs done with live images
12[00:04:48] <rpifan> how can u start the installer from inside the booted image. I mean once you actually get to the debian desktop start the actual install. Im not sure if thats possible at all on debian
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16[00:06:21] <barraese> rpifan: don't you have a launcher in the desktop for that?
17[00:06:51] <rpifan> ive looked but i havent seen it on debian unless there is a newer version of the installer then the one from the site from a week or so ago
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19[00:07:07] <rpifan> or if there is a way to do an efistub of teh installer itself
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24[00:08:21] <rpifan> maybe if i try with debian testing
25[00:08:24] <rpifan> instead of stable
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29[00:08:46] <jmcnaught> testing isn't likely to have fewer problems than stable
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32[00:09:42] <jmcnaught> rpifan: the install manual has instructions for installing with debootstrap while booted into another Linux. Another option is testing the jessie netinst, if that works do a minimal install and upgrade before installing a desktop
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35[00:10:48] <rpifan> i tried the jessie netinst same issue it has to do with the way grub works on this nonstandard efi. So otherwise there is no simple installer from with a debian live cd like in ubuntu which starts the installer automatically from the desktop
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37[00:11:56] <jmcnaught> rpifan: i said above that live images do have installers on them, but there are known issues
38[00:12:31] <rpifan> i know that the iso itself has an installer but mean once its booted inside the a live working system, how would u start an install from inside say the gnome live cd enviroment
39[00:13:20] <jmcnaught> rpifan: find the icon for the installer in the menu. try hitting <super> and type "install"
40[00:13:45] <rpifan> i looked last time but there was nothing there. I will try again and if i find it ill send u soe cookies
41[00:13:53] <rpifan> i will do that in 12 minutes
42[00:14:03] <rpifan> once i get a new iso again
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66[00:28:26] <rpifan_> so jmcnaught do you take bit coins ro 3d prints, not that it has worked yet
67[00:28:29] <rpifan_> but just wanted to know if it does
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73[00:30:32] <jmcnaught> rpifan_: i hope it works for you
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79[00:32:19] <uxfi> hello rpifan_ and jmcnaught
80[00:32:31] <rpifan_> hell uxfi u look familiar
81[00:32:46] <uxfi> I do?
82[00:33:07] <rpifan_> maybe why did u ping me
83[00:33:43] <uxfi> I just said hello
84[00:33:54] <uxfi> I think you've gotten me mixed up
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86[00:34:39] <rpifan_> could well be
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117[00:53:41] <barraese_> exit
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120[00:54:12] <nvz> this is why they put lit signs by exits
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123[00:54:51] <th0r> so you can see the slope '/'?
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125[00:55:38] <nvz> lets just say he's lucky there is no fire
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185[01:24:44] <jrmu> I'm having difficulty finding the live iso for xfce for jigdo. I'm in this folder right now: replaced-url
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188[01:25:38] <jrmu> not sure what jigdo-bd and jigdo-dlbd stand for, but the jigdo-dvd folder doesn't seem to contain the live dvd images
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217[01:43:56] <jrmu> it's ok if it's not xfce, any live dvd would be fine
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253[02:06:50] <badargo> help me please
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255[02:06:56] <badargo> i cant understand :S
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271[02:15:44] <hanasaki> what could cause a nic in /etc/networking/interfaces to not come up on boot however comeup fine on ifup nicname
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276[02:17:17] <somiaj> hanasaki: do you have an auto line for that nic?
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279[02:18:34] <hanasaki> somiaj: yes
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281[02:18:54] <somiaj> care to share you interfaces file.
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290[02:21:48] <hanasaki> somiaj: replaced-url
291[02:22:07] <hanasaki> nic inside comes up.. nic outside does not
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293[02:22:16] <somiaj> I assume that the nics are not called nic_inside and nic_outside, and that will be your problem
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295[02:22:27] <somiaj> the boot script won't run ifup interface=alias
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297[02:22:29] <rpifan> well
298[02:22:31] <rpifan> it doesnt work
299[02:22:42] <rpifan> there is no way that i can tell to install debian from instide the live image itself
300[02:22:58] <rpifan> if you search for it there is nothing. any other options also my wifi card doesnt work on debian
301[02:22:59] <somiaj> rpifan: it is suggested to use an offical installer and not a live image from debian
302[02:23:02] <hanasaki> somiaj: it's a bridge.. it gets named by the interface file
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304[02:23:36] <rpifan> the installer wont work because grub causes the screen to boot into an unreadable garble, thats why ive been trying to fix. I cant find any way to isntall debian at all
305[02:23:38] <somiaj> rpifan: and if you use the live image it is better to boot directly into the installer and not the live enviroment.
306[02:23:46] <somiaj> hanasaki: eitehr way, what is the 'ifup' command you run that works.
307[02:23:55] <rpifan> i cant do thats the issue somiaj
308[02:24:02] <hanasaki> ifup nic_outside
309[02:24:07] <somiaj> rpifan: again use an offical installer, not a live image. Grub issues are common with the installer
310[02:24:17] <somiaj> live installer
311[02:24:28] <rpifan> i am using the official installer
312[02:24:30] <hanasaki> rpifan: somiaj is right.. I had an issue w/ the live installer too
313[02:24:38] <rpifan> its an issue with grub itself
314[02:24:41] <rpifan> it always happens
315[02:24:44] <somiaj> rpifan: you said you were using the live image.
316[02:24:53] <somiaj> the live image is not the offical installer
317[02:25:05] <rpifan> im using the hybrid iso
318[02:25:20] <hanasaki> somiaj: what do you think?
319[02:25:21] <somiaj> that doesn't clarify what you said, the live images are also hybrid
320[02:25:47] <rpifan> i went to debian and downloaded the debian-gnome.iso image
321[02:25:56] <somiaj> that is a live image, use an offical isntaller
322[02:25:57] <rpifan> if there is another image please point me to it
323[02:26:02] <somiaj> either the netinstaller or cd or dvd1
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325[02:26:12] <rpifan> i have already previously used the netinstall
326[02:26:13] <rpifan> its the same issue
327[02:26:17] <rpifan> it has something to do with grub
328[02:26:22] <rpifan> once it boots the text is unreadable
329[02:26:28] <rpifan> it works fine once inside a live image
330[02:26:50] <somiaj> hanasaki: unsure what the issue is, I have never used auto for interfaces using aliais like you have. I'm unsure what the problem could be.
331[02:27:05] <rpifan> is there any way to start the installer from a booted live image
332[02:27:22] <hanasaki> somiaj: suggestions on a better way for me to do it?
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337[02:28:00] <somiaj> hanasaki: I just call my bridge br0, I do know it seems to take a while to come up. I don't know where to look for bugs with this.
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339[02:28:19] <hanasaki> somiaj: tried br0 / br1 . no luck
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350[02:30:40] <somiaj> hanasaki: I'm unsure what the problem could be. what is the output of 'systemctl status networking'
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355[02:31:47] <hanasaki> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
356[02:32:00] <somiaj> hanasaki: you should see some logs too, no errors being presented?
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359[02:32:24] <somiaj> the full output maybe useful.
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361[02:32:35] <hanasaki> Main PID: 14063 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
362[02:32:44] <hanasaki> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networking.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
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364[02:33:01] <hanasaki> somiaj: what exactly does that do
365[02:33:02] <somiaj> that is the only output you got?
366[02:34:01] <somiaj> hanasaki: networking is the servicve name that brings up the interfaces at boot. That command gives you info about that service including any logs produced.
367[02:34:05] <hanasaki> replaced-url
368[02:34:45] <somiaj> hanasaki: this is on stretch?
369[02:34:57] <hanasaki> yes
370[02:35:02] <hanasaki> shy
371[02:35:05] <hanasaki> why
372[02:35:09] <somiaj> replaced-url
373[02:35:44] <somiaj> that is what mine looks like, unsure what those ExecStart and ExecStartPre lines are doing, but I do see a different behavior.
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375[02:36:59] <somiaj> what does the command ifup -a --read-enviroment do (run that after you boot, that is the command that should be running and brining up the itnerfaces)
376[02:37:56] <hanasaki> ifup: unrecognized option '--read-enviroment'
377[02:38:12] <somiaj> --read-environment -- think I had a typo
378[02:38:15] <hanasaki> lol
379[02:38:20] <hanasaki> no output
380[02:38:29] <somiaj> and it didn't bring up the interfaces, check them now
381[02:38:57] <somiaj> no output is usually good.
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424[03:10:53] <n_blownapart> hello I don't much about torrents, eMule or any of that technology. Is there a safe way to get books, using (your recommended) clients on jessie 8.? sorry clueless on linux policies, etc.
425[03:11:29] <bazhang> n_blownapart, books you paid for?
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428[03:11:33] <rpifan> #debian-boot
429[03:11:38] <bazhang> go to amazon.com
430[03:11:49] <rpifan> so nothing works for installing debian
431[03:11:56] <rpifan> the installer instead included in the image
432[03:12:00] <n_blownapart> yeah, cheap, non-pirated books
433[03:12:06] <rpifan> when i download the debian-installer-launcher it wont find the initrd
434[03:12:30] <bazhang> n_blownapart, gutenberg has a huge library
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436[03:13:10] <bazhang> all free and legal
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448[03:20:54] <n_blownapart> thanks bazhang
449[03:21:34] <bazhang> np
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462[03:31:47] <n_blownapart> bazhang hey sorry one more thing, is there kindle reader for debian or an equivalent? the book I want on Amazon has no mention of kindle for linux, aside from using cloud reader
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466[03:32:44] <bazhang> n_blownapart, for reading mobi epub or what
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468[03:33:19] <bazhang> n_blownapart, if you mean software, then yes debian has it read those
469[03:33:26] <pacha> n_blownapart: Calibre works pretty good
470[03:33:30] <bazhang> to
471[03:33:48] <bazhang> calibre is more for conversion
472[03:33:55] <bazhang> ,v okular
473[03:33:56] <judd> Package: okular on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-3+b1; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; buster: 4:16.08.2-1+b1; stretch: 4:16.08.2-1+b1; sid: 4:16.08.2-1+b1
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475[03:34:07] <bazhang> thats what I use
476[03:34:34] <n_blownapart> yeah the book is Programming in Haskell by Graham Hutton. okular ? I have jessie 8 64bit
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479[03:36:04] <n_blownapart> so I can use okular on jessie 8 judd ?
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482[03:36:40] <bazhang> jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; n_blownapart
483[03:36:49] <bazhang> did you see that listing or not
484[03:37:22] <n_blownapart> sorry I cannot read that. those are a range of versions?
485[03:37:25] <n_blownapart> bazhang,
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487[03:38:19] <n_blownapart> oh those are dependencies?
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492[03:39:10] <bazhang> thats the version number
493[03:39:24] <bazhang> just apt-get install okular
494[03:39:35] <n_blownapart> cool will do thanks again bazhang
495[03:40:13] <pacha> bazhang: probably he was trying to say that he was using Debian 8 and the only package available was for 4
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497[03:40:37] <pacha> n_blownapart: that is for the version of the package, read this: replaced-url
498[03:41:03] <n_blownapart> pacha, ok thanks, okular seems to be installing now
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501[03:42:53] <bazhang> yeaH
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504[03:43:09] <n_blownapart> it seems large
505[03:43:13] <bazhang> debian eight wont be the numbering on the packages themselves
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507[03:43:50] <n_blownapart> sorry I just did sudo apt-get install okular plenty of activity still installing
508[03:45:03] <n_blownapart> installed KDE Dev Platform 4.14.2 , Okular 0.20.2
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510[03:45:29] <n_blownapart> so that reads kindle format, epub et al ?
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517[03:47:47] <bazhang> mobi is the amazon one, iirc
518[03:48:18] <bazhang> at any rate, it's very easy to get those going, doint worry about the format at this point
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523[03:49:40] <kb3vgw> hey guys having a issue
524[03:49:52] <kb3vgw> root@odroidc2:/usr/src/debian# mkfs.ext4 -F -L 1500M -T largefile rootfs.img mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017) Suggestion: Use Linux kernel >= 3.18 for improved stability of the metadata and journal checksum features. mkfs.ext4: inode_size (256) * inodes_count (0) too big for a filesystem with 0 blocks, specify higher inode_ratio (-i) or lower inode count (-N).
525[03:50:19] <kb3vgw> i need it to make the fs 1500 megs
526[03:51:10] <kb3vgw> we are making a rootfs.img for aarm install
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544[03:59:03] <sparky4> I am having an issue with debian jessie and starting X not as root
545[03:59:34] <sparky4> when i startx or login with lightdm it quits / logout
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547[04:00:40] <n_blownapart> bazhang, thanks again
548[04:01:30] <bazhang> n_blownapart, gutenberg is merely the tip of a HUGE iceberg for free ebooks
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550[04:01:49] <bazhang> any OS has the softwrae for them
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552[04:01:57] <bazhang> ware
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554[04:02:00] <burek> i love you debian people <3
555[04:02:00] <bazhang> augh
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564[04:03:18] <prussian> kb3vgw: is the file 1500MiB?
565[04:03:28] <prussian> -L is label in mke2fs
566[04:03:49] <prussian> fallocate -l "$(numfmt --from=iec '1500M')" yourfs.img
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568[04:03:51] <prussian> ????????????
569[04:05:49] <kb3vgw> yes
570[04:06:07] <kb3vgw> 1500M
571[04:06:29] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
572[04:06:35] <kb3vgw> is what I am following
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574[04:07:29] <kb3vgw> mkfs.ext4 -F -L ROOTFS rootfs.img is the line they use
575[04:07:52] <n_blownapart> bazhang, well, I'd like a newly published book. would like to burn it, but its 20 bucks on amazon epub
576[04:08:16] <burek> wat
577[04:09:37] <prussian> also this guide is weird. why not just subtree or submodule all those gits into your OS project
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579[04:10:22] <kb3vgw> using it as a base we are looking to rebuild the rootfs.img only we have the rest
580[04:10:57] <prussian> well that should work. what they have written
581[04:11:15] <prussian> probably use fallocate instead of truncate but doesn't really matter
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583[04:12:41] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
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590[04:13:57] <prussian> cool
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646[04:55:03] <OS-24339> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 5sandman8
647[04:55:49] <somiaj> OS-24339: might want to change your password
648[04:55:52] <bazhang> OS-24339, time to change pass
649[04:55:56] <OS-24339> fml lol
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651[04:57:11] <kb3vgw> well I got a img file built but got errors I dont understand
652[04:57:29] <bazhang> built how
653[04:58:27] <kb3vgw> using a script we built to make a rootfs.img with qemu-debootstrap
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655[04:59:11] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
656[04:59:25] <kb3vgw> we are working to get a replacement rootfs going
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659[05:01:25] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
660[05:03:56] <kb3vgw> so I thnk there are a few steps missing they did not give us for arm
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665[05:06:02] <somiaj> kb3vgw: there is #debian-arm (or something like that) which may be more helpful on irc.oftc.net
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667[05:11:01] <kb3vgw> ok
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724[05:57:40] <Tarsius> who
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864[07:44:34] <Cobalt> Hello. I have an issue with my wlan0 which has a buggy kernel module whereby it goes off every couple of hours or so. Executing sudo ifdown wlan0; sleep 2; sudo ifup wlan0 from a console brings it back up 100% of the time. However, when I have this same running a cron job every 2 hours (checked logs it fires), it fails to achieve the same result. Is there any way to troubleshoot this?
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869[07:46:41] <well_laid_lawn> tried using full paths to the executables in cron ?
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882[07:50:10] <Cobalt> well_laid_lawn: Fair point. I thought I had; but it seems not. I'll try that and see what happens, thanks.
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895[07:56:31] <cipher6> Anyone able to advise why top& succeeds but fg can't pull top back?
896[07:56:33] <cipher6> stderr "Interupted system call"
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904[07:59:01] <AHM> hello
905[07:59:25] <AHM> hello
906[07:59:26] <AHM> hello
907[07:59:27] <AHM> hello
908[07:59:27] <AHM> hello
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913[08:02:18] <Cobalt> well_laid_lawn: Thank you. It seems to work as intended now.
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929[08:07:31] <well_laid_lawn> well done
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952[08:20:23] <context> anyone alive
953[08:20:27] <context> echo "'$var'" ? ''.. echo -n | hexdump -v prints? ''. [[ -z "$var" ]] ? not empty.
954[08:20:32] <context> anyone know what might be up :x
955[08:20:39] <cheapie> Alive? No, not any more, why?
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957[08:21:36] <cheapie> You might want to try ##linux, by the way. Your question doesn't sound Debian-specific, and there's more activity there at the moment.
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973[08:29:04] <Obesity> lol
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975[08:29:14] -Obesity- lmfao im so funny lol
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1031[09:06:14] <debrooo> I use both nmcli and nmtui to connect to my wifi. I'm setting up a new machine with Debian 9 for the first time and nmtui can scan and list networks but both fail to connect to any network. Any help please?
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1036[09:08:29] <debrooo> It's a clean Debiab install only: Standard system utilities, i3, xorg, alsa-utils, chromium, chromium-l10n and network-manager.
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1056[09:21:23] <asdaljlsd> ??
1057[09:21:50] <asdaljlsd> does #debian have an opinion on people who plea not guilty?
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1059[09:22:03] <elky> that's offtopic for here
1060[09:22:12] <asdaljlsd> almost like an interview
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1062[09:22:20] <asdaljlsd> but not really....cause debian is at threat
1063[09:22:23] <asdaljlsd> ?
1064[09:22:45] <asdaljlsd> zzz
1065[09:22:51] <burek> ok
1066[09:23:02] <asdaljlsd> yup
1067[09:23:07] <burek> ok
1068[09:24:12] <asdaljlsd> zzz
1069[09:24:23] <burek> bye dude
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1075[09:26:12] <elvirolo> hi all
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1080[09:26:41] <elvirolo> Could anyone tell me how to force a version of NFS server-side?
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1086[09:29:00] <asdaljlsd> freenode is international?
1087[09:29:33] <shtrb> yes
1088[09:29:38] <asdaljlsd> ucase im lookin to do some community service.....
1089[09:29:48] <asdaljlsd> cuase its so illegal......
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1091[09:30:00] <shtrb> what ?
1092[09:30:04] <asdaljlsd> debian?
1093[09:30:11] <asdaljlsd> #python be private....
1094[09:30:25] <asdaljlsd> raping kids in there?
1095[09:30:25] <burek> what is guy talking about?
1096[09:30:27] <tx> Try python with two ##'s ;)
1097[09:30:30] <asdaljlsd> gg?
1098[09:30:35] <asdaljlsd> !!
1099[09:30:35] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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1101[09:30:48] <asdaljlsd> =) ??
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1105[09:31:16] <asdaljlsd> at least undernet keeps its open?
1106[09:31:26] <burek> is this a bot?
1107[09:31:41] <asdaljlsd> nah im a military soldier or something
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1112[09:31:46] <asdaljlsd> tell me what to do and pay me.
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1114[09:31:53] <burek> so, basically a bot
1115[09:31:59] <elvirolo> Please stop this.
1116[09:32:04] <asdaljlsd> freenode gah
1117[09:32:06] <asdaljlsd> gay
1118[09:32:15] <burek> be nice, bot!
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1120[09:32:40] <asdaljlsd> lol?? /kick asdfasdf?
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1123[09:32:54] <Artemis3> chatter bot eh?
1124[09:32:57] <asdaljlsd> you think someone gonna get killed for that?
1125[09:33:07] <asdaljlsd> like your not fucking your family members?
1126[09:33:11] <asdaljlsd> bot that bitch
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1131[09:33:23] <asdaljlsd> stfu
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1133[09:33:26] <asdaljlsd> BUSSINESS
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1139[09:33:48] <asdaljlsd> "private small bussinesses"
1140[09:33:48] <burek> where the mods at? someone ban this spam bot
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1142[09:34:08] <asdaljlsd> gg?
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1144[09:34:16] <asdaljlsd> 911?
1145[09:34:26] <asdaljlsd> freenode in ny?
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1150[09:34:42] <burek> who made this bot? such a bad coding job
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1152[09:35:20] <shtrb> Are you sure it's a bot, it reminds my the tech support reps I had to deal with
1153[09:35:21] <asdaljlsd> aight, so yall paid to stfu
1154[09:35:31] <asdaljlsd> so stfu
1155[09:35:52] <burek> this bot is bugged bro
1156[09:36:09] <burek> he thinks hes paying us with imaginary money
1157[09:36:40] <shtrb> burek , I could say the same thing about altice reps
1158[09:36:43] <asdaljlsd> im aint banned yet cause im not the pussy?
1159[09:37:00] <burek> altice?
1160[09:37:11] <asdaljlsd> whos #1?
1161[09:37:20] <shtrb> they make comcast sound as a good service provider
1162[09:37:39] <asdaljlsd> yos uhould see how they sound in jail.
1163[09:37:44] <burek> what's comcast?
1164[09:37:46] <asdaljlsd> ?
1165[09:37:58] <asdaljlsd> o.0 lol
1166[09:38:07] <asdaljlsd> g....g......bored to out.
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1177[09:42:30] <Haohmaru> i added a line to fstab to mount a samba share.. but it doesn't get mounted.. in dmesg i see "error connecting to socket" "cifs_mount failed with return code -101"
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1180[09:43:21] <Haohmaru> i read something that suggest that maybe the network is not set up yet
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1191[09:46:22] <shtrb> Haohmaru , make sure you have updated cifs_utils and that you have network setup before that (_netdev) , you can also move to automount if nothing else works
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1193[09:46:54] <Haohmaru> "updated" cif_utils?
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1197[09:47:14] <Haohmaru> i installed cifs-utils with apt-get a minute ago
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1200[09:47:24] <shtrb> in that cases it's updated :)
1201[09:47:51] <Haohmaru> what do you mean about the network?
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1205[09:48:38] <Haohmaru> i'm using lxde, so the network configuration is handled by this "WICD" gui thing, afaik
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1209[09:49:09] <Haohmaru> the network here relies on dhcp
1210[09:49:40] <shtrb> you have two options to make network based mount to work (that I know of ) , pass _netdev in the mount point or using the automount option
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1215[09:50:46] <shtrb> add x-systemd.automount to our mount options for automount
1216[09:50:57] <shtrb> to your mount option in fstab
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1245[10:04:15] <Haohmaru> shtrb, i was reading about it and i added "auto" and "x-systemd.automount" .. it seems to work
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1248[10:04:36] <Haohmaru> weirdly i see the "share" twice in pcmanfm
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1254[10:05:30] <Haohmaru> once with a network folder icon, and once with an icon that looks like an ejectable device
1255[10:05:59] <asdaljlsd> can someone tell dibblego that if the fucker wants to keep running imma kill him....thanks.
1256[10:06:08] <asdaljlsd> gg
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1259[10:06:29] <Haohmaru> wut
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1263[10:06:33] <burek> bot is back
1264[10:06:49] <shtrb> Haohmaru , just remember that automount will mount on first access (but listed as mounted)
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1271[10:07:31] <Haohmaru> shtrb, i went to the place where the mounted stuff should appear - and it was all there, so it works
1272[10:07:40] <Haohmaru> that's all that matters
1273[10:07:58] <contrapunctus> Can anyone recommend a 4G USB modem (is that the right term? pop in SIM get mobile data connection?) that'll work on Debian without additional non-free firmware?
1274[10:08:23] <contrapunctus> (nothing of the sort on the wiki or on H-Node)
1275[10:08:28] <shtrb> The moment you went there (the action had been been done) the mount had happened
1276[10:08:45] <Haohmaru> good enough ;]
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1278[10:09:24] <shtrb> contrapunctus , I'm ussing the Huawei shitty E8372h model - it does not need any non free firmware , but it's a pc by it's own
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1281[10:10:54] <shtrb> but if you can get the older nokia/blackberry that exposed the modem over USB it will be better
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1297[10:19:19] <contrapunctus> shtrb: Thanks :D Say, why would those be better? (Won't the baseband be non-free on those, too?)
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1306[10:20:32] <shtrb> I got better speeds on them and it's a standalone pc that you don't know what it is running
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1310[10:21:00] <shtrb> the Huawei devices running some stripped android version
1311[10:21:16] <shtrb> (*) the Huawei devices that I played with
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1355[10:48:06] <jawr> hi, i recently upgraded to debian 9 from 8 and im experiencing some weirdness with my terminal... every time i detach a screen session my clipboard is cleared
1356[10:48:18] <jawr> and also its forwarding mouse events to the terminal
1357[10:48:30] <jawr> i looked through preferences in the profile and couldnt find anything :/
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1362[10:51:45] <tiny> Hi, Installing FAI CD / server with fixed IP / into a KVM. There's no chance to configure IP and right at the start of boot I get a message "starting version 232" RTNETLINK answers "Network is unreachable" ... installation goes on, ends with some errors... is this normal and i need to manually setup network after install?
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1373[11:01:12] <inch> tiny: What if you dig out kernel and initrd from the cd, start the vm with -kernel and -initrd options and add network preseed answers with -append
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1410[11:21:24] <Obesity> fat people are so stupid
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1446[11:38:41] <jrmu> what's a good set up for subscribing to and replying to many mailing lists? I'm especially interested in something that can be run from the command line
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1449[11:39:16] <petemc> mail client, mutt is a good command line mua
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1451[11:40:06] <jelly> isn't exactly command line, has a curses interface
1452[11:40:14] <tiny> inch: nice idea thanks, i will first start fresh from stretch and try to follow guide, setting up a local debian mirror also ... i want all installs to be the same.
1453[11:40:18] <tiny> and quick
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1457[11:40:43] <jrmu> petemc: after signing up, my inbox gets inundated. Is there a good way to sort/tag through the lists?
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1460[11:41:30] <SimonB> Last friday I updates Samaba on a Jessie 8.8 server. Since doing so, I have been unable to start samba/smbd/nmbd. Via service samba status we see "active (exited)". There appears to be no other relevant log entries anywhere.
1461[11:41:41] <SimonB> /usr/sbin/nmbd and /usr/sbin/smbd were both missing
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1463[11:42:00] <jelly> jrmu, you need filtering, either on server side, or on client side when downloading mails. Legitimate mailing lists have headers you can filter on, like List-Id:
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1466[11:42:23] <SimonB> apt-get install samba seemed to install already installed packages. At that point smbd and nmbs reappeard but still same symptoms.
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1469[11:42:53] <SimonB> running processes from terminal works as it should. init and systemd scripts still dont work as epxected.
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1472[11:43:30] <SimonB> And my typing is shocking today. Sorry.
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1478[11:44:47] <jrmu> jelly: yeah, I guess I should clarify, I'm fine with curses
1479[11:44:59] <petemc> jelly: very pedantic
1480[11:45:10] <petemc> it can used from command line tho...
1481[11:45:23] <petemc> fsvo used
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1483[11:45:48] <jrmu> petemc: do you personally use mutt and have good success with it for following mailing lists?
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1487[11:47:50] <jrmu> ok, I'll head over to mutt. Anything else I might need in addition to mutt for the server/client-side filtering, or can mutt handle it all client side?
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1493[11:50:10] <petemc> jrmu: i used to when i ran my own mail, i just use gmail now.
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1499[11:51:55] <jrmu> petemc: thanks. It must work pretty decently then. I'm the opposite of your case, just pulled out of gmail a year ago
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1503[11:54:49] <SimonB> Is my /lib/systemd/system/samba.service supposed to be symlink to /dev/null?
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1507[11:56:42] <inch> Perhaps. I have the same here.
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1510[11:57:20] <petn-randall> SimonB: If /usr/sbin/{n,s}mbd were missing, something on your system is broken.
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1513[11:57:42] <petn-randall> SimonB: As both files are provided by the samba package.
1514[11:58:00] <SimonB> petn-randall: Correct something was broken, but Im trying to work out how updating samba on the 14th managed to break it.
1515[11:58:14] <petn-randall> SimonB: Do you have the output of your apt-get run? If yes, please share it with us on replaced-url
1516[11:58:41] <petn-randall> SimonB: Also the entries in /var/log/apt/history.log for that date would be relevant.
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1518[11:59:41] <SimonB> petn-randall: will the relevant output from /var/log/atp/term.log suffice for output?
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1523[12:00:19] <petn-randall> SimonB: Sure, if it covers the apt-get run you mentioned.
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1525[12:00:51] <SimonB> term.log: replaced-url
1526[12:01:07] <lester_g> Hi! Need help. How can I access Terminator preferences? I clicked on Putty style so now right click is pasting. can no longer access preferences
1527[12:01:09] <lester_g> thanks
1528[12:01:23] <SimonB> history.log: replaced-url
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1532[12:02:44] <SimonB> I've got it back up and working again, so I've calmed down a lot. But the term.log output doesnt really tell me what happened... I'll go through other logs, and maybe stick to apt-get upgrade for a while.
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1538[12:04:23] <petn-randall> SimonB: "Removing samba (2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6) ..." You removed it in line 3 of your first paste.
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1542[12:05:31] <SimonB> petn-randall: for some reason a dist-upgrade removed it... Odd.
1543[12:05:53] <SimonB> And I dont know how I missed that sorry.
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1545[12:06:11] <petn-randall> ,v samba
1546[12:06:12] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u13; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2; buster: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-4; sid: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-5
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1548[12:07:25] <petn-randall> SimonB: No problem, we're here to help. In general I always pay close attention to the packages apt-get wants to remove, sometimes the dependency resolver gets surprising ideas.
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1556[12:12:04] <SimonB> petn-randall: Well thank you for your help
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1570[12:20:07] <xormor> I installed these: "sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts"
1571[12:20:25] <xormor> so how do I compile "Graphical Omega (RPG)"?
1572[12:20:31] <xormor> it seems to have some compiletime errors.
1573[12:21:10] <petn-randall> xormor: Is it a Debian package, or where does "Graphical Omega (RPG)" come from?
1574[12:21:15] <xormor> I also looked at the normal source code of normal omega-rpg (debian version) and it had omegatiles.xpm that displayed a lot of graphical tiles with faces of human beings, monsters and some weird shapes. it looked quite ugly, though.
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1577[12:22:14] <xormor> petn-randall, it is not a debian package, but the debian package for omega is "omega-rpg". I would be happy to make that graphical, too, though. I am now translating omega-rpg's source code into Finnish. I got the source code for the character graphics omega-rpg from Debian.
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1579[12:23:05] <JyZyXEL> information in replaced-url
1580[12:23:12] <xormor> petn-randall, if the debian package gives me graphics, then I will be happier, but I will be happy enough if I can finish my translation into Finnish into the "normal" text version.
1581[12:23:20] <JyZyXEL> says: "jessie (stable)"
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1586[12:26:02] <petn-randall> xormor: That didn't answer my question, though. If you're trying to compile a Debian package, 'apt-get build-dep <packagetocompile>' will install any build-dependencies needed. For a source tarball from somewhere else, you need to look up the requirements in the documentation.
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1595[12:29:39] <xormor> petn-randall, what does this mean? ---> "W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'omega-rpg_0.90-pa9-16.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Lupa evätty)"
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1597[12:29:58] <petn-randall> !bat
1598[12:29:59] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1599[12:30:04] <petn-randall> !localized errors
1600[12:30:05] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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1604[12:30:34] <petn-randall> xormor: Can you provide all details from the first factoid, make sure to use LC_ALL=C so the messages are in English.
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1611[12:31:51] <xormor> petn-randall, thank you, but I already fixed the error. I needed to use the command "apt-get source omega-rpg" instead of "sudo apt-get source omega-rpg". I need to run it without sudo, as a normal user (non-root).
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1614[12:34:03] <dhsn> debian stretch - is it a generic name?
1615[12:34:21] <petn-randall> dhsn: It's the name of the current stable release (9).
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1618[12:34:50] <dhsn> will it be renamed when debian 10 comes out?
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1621[12:35:50] <Haohmaru> more like debian 10 would probably have a different name
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1625[12:36:47] <dhsn> so it is just a random fancy name, and not a synonym for "stable" like "sid"?
1626[12:37:08] <Haohmaru> nah
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1631[12:38:22] <tx> The names are based off Toy Story characters.
1632[12:38:23] <tx> Always have been.
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1634[12:38:53] <tx> Sid is always unstable, it is unchanging. :)
1635[12:39:41] <Haohmaru> what happens when you run out of toy story characters?
1636[12:40:06] <tx> The project ends.
1637[12:40:10] <tx> :P No idea.
1638[12:40:16] <Haohmaru> microsoft wins?
1639[12:40:21] <Haohmaru> oh noes
1640[12:40:51] <tx> I suppose you could just choose another Pixar movie.
1641[12:41:52] <petn-randall> By the time Debian runs out of Toy Story characters, everyone will be so old that they don't remember the movies anymore.
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1647[12:42:55] <wuffi600> hi
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1649[12:43:52] <Haohmaru> what if the toy story fan base decide to protest?
1650[12:44:02] <Haohmaru> those pesky kids
1651[12:44:05] <wuffi600> What could be a reason that manually made softlink in /etc/rc?.d/ are not run on bootup? systemd is not installed.
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1653[12:45:01] <petn-randall> wuffi600: Can you show us where you put the symlink, and what it is?
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1657[12:46:12] <wuffi600> petn-randall: /etc/rc2.d/S01privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy
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1662[12:47:49] <wuffi600> petn-randall: i can run /etc/rc2.d/S01privoxy manually , but it is not run on bootup when entering RL2
1663[12:47:56] <kchr> wuffi600: should probably be runlvel 3 since it requires networking
1664[12:47:59] <kchr> right?
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1668[12:48:14] <kchr> maybe that's why it does not start
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1672[12:50:11] <digitalboy> Hi guys, I was wondering: what is the difference between initrd and initramfs? And which one Debian uses?
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1675[12:50:47] <wuffi600> kchr: the content of the script just writes $0 to /tmp/testfile, nothing more
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1677[12:51:31] <petn-randall> Oh, an xy problem, interesting.
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1686[12:53:48] <wuffi600> kchr: creating /etc/rc3.d/S01privoxy -> ../init.d/privoxy and "init 3" does not start it as well
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1689[12:56:13] <wuffi600> is there a new logic with newer versions of sysv (e.g. using a source for metainfo about scripts in /etc/init.d/, regaring out commented lines in the scripts, ... and so one...)
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1692[12:57:07] <wuffi600> maybe an new file acting as a database for services and its scripts?
1693[12:57:16] <moetunes> digitalboy replaced-url
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1696[12:58:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1712[13:07:16] <unborn> I would like to know regards the jessie - from June 2018 to end of April 2020 - does that means I would not need to re-install my laptop(s) till april 2020 or shall I do re-install in june 2018? basically I am happy how my debian works right now and that is also reason that I did not run distro upgrade.. can anyone clarify? Many thanks.
1713[13:07:56] <unborn> link showing me the info is this: replaced-url
1714[13:08:09] <jrmu> is there something the matter with the debian xfce live dvd when used for installation?
1715[13:08:10] <jrmu> I've tested it 3 times now and couldn't get it to work
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1718[13:09:10] <jrmu> the live dvd works fine, the installer appears to work fine, loads xfce, then hangs after logging in
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1721[13:12:47] <unborn> !jessie end of life
1722[13:12:57] <unborn> !jessie
1723[13:12:57] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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1726[13:15:16] <jrmu> I'm going to switch over to the netinstall, hopefully that will give me less headache
1727[13:15:16] <jrmu> do the installers on the live images have a lot more issues?
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1730[13:17:40] <BluesKaj> jrmu: yes, the gui has issues, the netinstall also has a gui , but avoid it and just choose plain install
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1732[13:18:41] <BluesKaj> which is a semi text install , that's been around for yrs, but works fine
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1738[13:20:19] <dhsn> .8 is a service pack?
1739[13:20:21] <jrmu> BluesKaj: Thanks. I've been using the text installer on the live dvd, still having issues, but yes I'll try the netinstall
1740[13:20:22] <jrmu> I also prefer the text installer. :)
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1742[13:21:57] <BluesKaj> jrmu: I've used the text install on a few machines and it workswell
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1749[13:23:43] <jrmu> BluesKaj: oh, I should clarify, when I meant live dvd, I didn't mean GUI installer. The live DVD lets you test debian out before installing (which I need for demo purposes)
1750[13:23:51] <Haohmaru> ehm, the live images i've tried have non-graphical install option too afaik
1751[13:23:53] <Haohmaru> or am i wrong?
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1754[13:24:26] <jrmu> the live DVD has both a GUI installer and a text installer
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1758[13:24:44] <BluesKaj> jrmu: yes I ried the lve dvd as well, and the gui installer failed twice
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1760[13:24:58] <BluesKaj> tried
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1762[13:25:27] <jrmu> Haohmaru: you are correct, the live images have a non graphical install. But it's not working well for me for the xfce live dvd at the moment
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1764[13:25:41] <Haohmaru> in what way?
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1767[13:26:32] <Haohmaru> ah, i saw above
1768[13:26:38] <jrmu> Haohmaru: I followed the non graphical install 3 times, each time it would appear to install perfectly, boot up and load xfce, then after logging in it would just hang indefinitely
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1770[13:27:27] <Haohmaru> so you managed to actually install debian via that dvd, but then the installed debian doesn't quite work?
1771[13:27:28] <jrmu> also I suspect something fishy, I couldn't seem to log in as root
1772[13:27:28] <jrmu> kept saying my password was wrong. But I reinstalled the OS 3 times, and each time it said my password was wrong
1773[13:27:39] <jrmu> so I had trouble viewing the logs to figure out what was wrong with the install
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1777[13:27:46] <jrmu> Haohmaru: correct
1778[13:28:27] <Haohmaru> a coincidence, i installed debian9 from a live iso (with lxde) and it turns out i can't log in as root too
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1780[13:28:29] <jrmu> debian was up, you could switch to the other consoles via ctrl+alt+f1, and log in, but couldn't log in to root for some reason, and xfce was just stuck there
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1782[13:28:37] <BluesKaj> jrmu: Iavoided the live image altogether and downloaded the netinstall .iso
1783[13:28:41] <Haohmaru> i entered the same passwords for both root and for the user
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1788[13:29:30] <jrmu> Haohmaru: yes, at first I thought it was fat finger error, but I'm pretty sure there is a bug in the installer somewhere
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1790[13:29:33] <BluesKaj> does xgfce ask both root and user pws?
1791[13:29:43] <jrmu> BluesKaj: Yes, it asks for both
1792[13:29:45] <BluesKaj> err xfce
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1794[13:30:31] <jrmu> someone should probably file a bug report
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1799[13:31:51] <starch> I had the same problem. After login into a tty the problem get solved in the x session
1800[13:32:01] <Haohmaru> i suspected i entered the password incorrectly in the install, because i was not sitting conveniently at the keyboard
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1802[13:32:28] <Haohmaru> the user password was "okay"
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1804[13:32:46] <petn-randall> jrmu: The live ISO has a known bug that the root password isn't properly set. Use the official installer to get a working system.
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1806[13:33:18] <petn-randall> jrmu: If you have installed the system, you can reset the root password with this factoid:
1807[13:33:22] <petn-randall> !frp
1808[13:33:22] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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1810[13:33:34] <jrmu> petn-randall: thanks for clarification
1811[13:34:21] <petn-randall> jrmu: A lot of people (I guess coming from Ubuntu, as this is default there) use the live system to test and then install. But in Debian this gets far less testing than the official net installer.
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1813[13:34:50] <jrmu> petn-randall: thanks. although, to be honest, I am losing confidence in the live install, I think I'm just gonna stick with the netinstall
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1816[13:35:45] <petn-randall> jrmu: Sure, but AFAIR this is the only bug that pops up throught the live installer.
1817[13:35:56] <Haohmaru> hm
1818[13:36:28] <BluesKaj> jrmu: like I posted earlier, use the netinstall image, it's less than 300mb
1819[13:36:50] <Haohmaru> i use the live iso because i often install or reinstall onto these barely working "computers" and i want to see if the thing would even run
1820[13:36:50] <jrmu> petn-randall: Ah. Well, I will still use the live DVD for demo for two students, I think they will have a fun time
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1822[13:37:38] <jrmu> the live isos make fantastic demos for people new to linux
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1824[13:38:24] <Haohmaru> indeedz
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1851[13:53:40] <Parrhesiastes> is there usb-remote-senders that can control (most) tvs? i know about CEC but this seems like a simpler solution
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1859[13:58:27] <BluesKaj> Parrhesiastes, thnk there are some that work with mythtv
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1867[14:01:57] <Parrhesiastes> hmm
1868[14:02:11] <Parrhesiastes> id like someting like
1869[14:02:32] <Parrhesiastes> "tvconroll --turn-on" to turn on the tv
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1930[14:31:40] <galex-713> Hi
1931[14:32:24] <galex-713> So, I have the official htc_9271.fw file from the debian package firmware-atheros, but it still don’t work :/
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1933[14:33:06] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
1934[14:33:07] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1935[14:33:21] <galex-713> I can *see* the wifi AP list, and their percentage, but can’t connect to them (if I try it says “configuring interface” then disconnect)
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1942[14:34:07] <galex-713> petn-randall, sorry, I am not quick enough today to write, it’s a bit hot here (too much T-T) and I just changed computer, then keyboard, so I need to be used to it, I also lost all my data so my keyboard layout is different now
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1946[14:34:46] <galex-713> petn-randall, I started with a message that could be understood by people having previously tried to help me on the same issue another day, before to have end to write the complete description I can give
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1948[14:35:30] <galex-713> So, when the firmware and driver are right and you’re under stable, and the software is recent, and you can *see* the AP yet not connect to, what can that mean?
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1951[14:35:48] <galex-713> Because that’s not the first time it happens, it already happened to me before with other wifi usb dongle
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1953[14:36:21] <galex-713> (oh sorry, forgot to precise that too: I’m using the thinkpenguin wifi usb dongle, the big one with the rf antenna and the cable)
1954[14:36:26] <galex-713> Any idea?
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1957[14:37:27] <galex-713> I don’t have very much other informations because I don’t really well know how do work wifi at low level, so I don’t know where to search
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1963[14:39:05] <petn-randall> galex-713: Ok, so how are you trying to connect to them? network-manager?
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1965[14:39:13] <galex-713> yep
1966[14:39:17] <galex-713> I tried mostly within KDE
1967[14:39:34] <galex-713> but also tried with the nm-applet, under… err… MATE or i3 I think…
1968[14:40:06] <petn-randall> galex-713: Can you paste the output in /var/log/syslog when you try to connect to the wifi?
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1970[14:40:33] <galex-713> yes wait a bit
1971[14:40:45] <petn-randall> sure, I'm here all day :)
1972[14:41:42] <galex-713> ^^
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1991[14:49:00] <galex-713> petn-randall, here the last talk since the usb dongle was plugged (I think, the first lines talk about usb and drivers so I think so): replaced-url
1992[14:49:46] <galex-713> petn-randall, do you want dmesg output too?
1993[14:51:04] <galex-713> petn-randall, dmesg, more concise: replaced-url
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1998[14:51:17] <galex-713> (maybe more relevant, who knows)
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2033[15:02:17] <jrmu> what's the best tool for rescuing data on an ext4 partition? I've heard of ddrescue
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2035[15:03:12] <jrmu> I accidentally reformatted an ext4 partition with some data
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2037[15:03:30] <galex-713> jrmu, ddrescue plus photorec/testdisk?
2038[15:04:07] <galex-713> afaik if it’s only the beginning of the partition there should be a way to do that with tools specific to ext4 but that would be difficult
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2041[15:06:02] <galex-713> petn-randall, still here?
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2043[15:06:12] <Haohmaru> what are these new things.. IBus, Mozc?
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2046[15:08:08] <jrmu> galex-713: hmm, photorec/testdisk may be valuable, thanks
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2048[15:10:30] <jrmu> Haohmaru: Ibus is for inputting foreign languages, right?
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2052[15:11:31] <Haohmaru> it looks like so
2053[15:11:58] <Haohmaru> something related to this IBus thing causes side effects in one app
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2060[15:14:59] <galex-713> Haohmaru, afaik ibus is a high-level interoperable stuff where apps do connect to communicate together, so it’s very generic, afaik
2061[15:15:29] <jelly> ,i ibus
2062[15:15:39] <judd> Package ibus (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Intelligent Input Bus - core. Version: 1.5.14-3; Size: 498.5k; Installed: 1937k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2066[15:16:10] <jelly> that sounds like only for input, keyboards and such
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2068[15:16:51] <Haohmaru> and the side effects had something to do with typing in the app's editboxes
2069[15:17:00] <Haohmaru> specifically backspace was unusable
2070[15:17:30] <Haohmaru> but just this one app, no issues typing in leafpad, or browser..
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2089[15:28:16] <carmelo11> Good evening, I created a bootable usb with the following command
2090[15:28:34] <carmelo11> from 'su'
2091[15:28:37] <carmelo11> cp debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb
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2093[15:28:43] <carmelo11> sync
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2095[15:29:25] <carmelo11> The iso image has been copied, when i open gparted I get the following warning
2096[15:29:37] <carmelo11> The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes
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2099[15:30:51] <BluesKaj> carmelo11, yes it's just a warning
2100[15:30:52] <Brigo> carmelo11 i think that's not a problem
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2102[15:31:40] <carmelo11> How do I check that the usb has been written regularly?
2103[15:32:24] <petn-randall> carmelo11: IIRC the release notes have the command to check it for correctness.
2104[15:32:59] <petn-randall> !check iso
2105[15:32:59] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
2106[15:33:13] <petn-randall> carmelo11: See above, replace /dev/cdrom with /dev/sdb.
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2113[15:37:35] <carmelo11> warning can I ignore it, or is it a problem?
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2115[15:39:03] <petn-randall> carmelo11: BluesKaj and Brigo already said you can ignore it.
2116[15:39:44] <carmelo11> Yes, but I wanted to understand why it happens
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2118[15:40:39] <jrmu> galex-713: thank you! photorec recovered my two lost audio recordings perfectly
2119[15:40:46] <jrmu> quite amazing how well it works
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2124[15:43:49] <galex-713> jrmu, yes, it’s made for that
2125[15:44:04] <galex-713> would be better to be able to recover file hierarchy, at least partially, too
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2128[15:44:17] <galex-713> petn-randall, did you see my pastes?
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2130[15:45:09] <petn-randall> galex-713: just a sec
2131[15:46:05] <petn-randall> galex-713: "<info> [1500554497.5157] device (wlx00c0ca75c1e2): state change: config -> failed (reason 'ssid-not-found') [50 120 53]"
2132[15:46:43] <petn-randall> galex-713: I'm guessing that's your problem. Looks like you've accidentally typo'd the SSID in the setup of that wifi connection
2133[15:47:33] <madonius> Hi, does anybody use grsec on debian?
2134[15:47:45] <carmelo11> petn-randall I have verify the md5sum and it is different
2135[15:47:52] <madonius> ^ in a production environment
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2137[15:48:19] <carmelo11> the command that I use dd if=/dev/sdb | md5sum
2138[15:48:24] <petn-randall> madonius: no surveys please,
2139[15:48:35] <petn-randall> madonius: no surveys please, just ask your real question.
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2142[15:48:49] <madonius> petn-randall: you are right…
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2144[15:49:05] <petn-randall> carmelo11: Of course that's different. You completely ignored the factoid I pointed you to.
2145[15:49:06] <madonius> ich was wondering what issues I would be expecting when I ran it
2146[15:49:09] <petn-randall> !check iso
2147[15:49:09] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
2148[15:49:22] <galex-713> petn-randall, I never wrote the ssid with my keyboard :/ just selectionned it in the network-manager menu
2149[15:49:24] <petn-randall> carmelo11: See what dpkg wrote. Use *that* command.
2150[15:50:00] <petn-randall> galex-713: The 2nd paste hints that the password is wrong.
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2155[15:51:20] <carmelo11> petn-randall this? dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
2156[15:51:38] <greycat> Yes, substitute your device for /dev/cdrom
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2158[15:52:01] <petn-randall> madonius: From what I've heard they're not releasing the source patches anymore, so you'd have to find the patches yourself.
2159[15:52:18] <petn-randall> madonius: You might be better off with apparmor/selinux if you want to harden your Debian system.
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2161[15:52:35] <madonius> in Jessie-Backports there is still linux-image-grsec-amd64 and ofcourse in sid
2162[15:52:57] <madonius> so I would have to build the kernels anew :/
2163[15:53:10] <carmelo11> head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso what does he do?
2164[15:53:12] <madonius> nothing I'd like to do in prod
2165[15:53:27] <greycat> carmelo11: run the part in `...` and see.
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2167[15:53:54] <madonius> carmelo11: you could also have a look in the manpages :)
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2169[15:54:05] <madonius> a great chance to learn
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2171[15:54:37] * cheapie would look up the manpage for that, but he's stuck with a Windows box at the moment... and while the internet can be helpful, typing "man head" into Google sounds like a bad idea...
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2173[15:55:02] <madonius> :D
2174[15:55:05] <greycat> replaced-url
2175[15:55:14] <cheapie> greycat: Thanks.
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2177[15:55:34] <carmelo11> trying...
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2180[15:55:42] <madonius> cheapie: you could try 'manpage head linux'
2181[15:55:55] <madonius> that should get rid of the N in NSFW
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2188[15:58:33] <potentialfedora> hello
2189[15:58:54] <potentialfedora> is DEB_HOST_ARCH into your env/shell?
2190[15:59:39] <galex-713> petn-randall, it’s a password-less AP :/
2191[15:59:39] <greycat> There are no env vars containing DEB in my env except the ones I placed there myself. If that's what you're asking.
2192[15:59:50] <carmelo11> stat --format=%s debian-9.0.0-i386-netinst.iso return me: 393216000 Are the bytes that dd must count?
2193[15:59:51] <galex-713> afaik the “password” is entered through a captive portal
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2195[15:59:57] <greycat> carmelo11: yes
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2197[16:00:15] <potentialfedora> yes
2198[16:00:20] <greycat> carmelo11: or more precisely, that's how many bytes *head* will accept from the output of dd
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2200[16:00:57] <potentialfedora> and is it some perl variable?
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2202[16:01:20] <greycat> carmelo11: since the device is almost certainly *not* precisely 393216000 in size, you need to make md5sum get only that many bytes, or else your MD5 will be wrong because of the 6 bazillion 0 bytes that are added at the end.
2203[16:01:43] <petn-randall> potentialfedora: Ask your real question please.
2204[16:01:59] <carmelo11> Ok now the md5sum is correct but I wanted to understand why the warning appears
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2210[16:03:44] <potentialfedora> the real question was figuring out why that was written inside an makefile
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2212[16:03:59] <greycat> Then ask whoever wrote the Makefile.
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2214[16:04:28] <greycat> There's a good chance it's set by some other part of that project's build system, and nobody outside that project would have any idea what it is.
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2219[16:05:43] <potentialfedora> well my idea is some Architecture
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2221[16:06:04] <Agiofws> Hi
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2224[16:07:52] <Agiofws> Does a USB stick have an MBR ? Do I have to have an MBR to install grub on to it? Is there a special way to format / partition a USB stick to install grub onto it?
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2226[16:08:14] <greycat> It has an MBR if you write an MBR onto it.
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2228[16:08:39] <Agiofws> How would I do that?
2229[16:08:49] <greycat> Normally by installing grub onto it.
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2231[16:09:02] <greycat> Assuming you use a dos partition format and not a GPT partition table.
2232[16:09:17] <jhutchins> Agiofws: What's your actual goal?
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2238[16:10:09] <jhutchins> Agiofws: A usb drive can have an MBR, and can be bootable. It can be a live image to run Debian (or another OS), it can be an installer.
2239[16:10:13] <Agiofws> Installation CD asks me where I should install grub I choose /Dev/sdb but the stick won't boot into grub any ideas?
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2241[16:10:58] <jhutchins> Agiofws: Did you install Debian onto the stick?
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2243[16:11:05] <Agiofws> Jhutchins. Can it be a proper linux installation
2244[16:11:18] <jhutchins> Agiofws: Yes. It will be painfully slow.
2245[16:11:20] <Agiofws> Not a live c image
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2247[16:11:33] <jhutchins> Agiofws: It is better to use a live image and write that directly to the stick.
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2249[16:12:19] <Agiofws> Live image is not portable filewize
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2251[16:13:16] <Agiofws> I want to change setting in my OS and save files
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2253[16:13:47] <greycat> Did you give the USB device a dos partiton table, or a gpt partition table?
2254[16:13:59] <greycat> Are you trying to boot it with UEFI or legacy-dos?
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2258[16:14:24] <Agiofws> Greycat I used an extra file.system would that be the cause my problem?
2259[16:15:01] <potentialfedora> shouldn't Agiofws need an persistent system, and chroot into the live?
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2262[16:16:07] <petn-randall> Agiofws: Common USB sticks are painfully slow and not really usable as a system. Unless you're fine with booting 15+ minutes to the desktop.
2263[16:16:14] <Agiofws> Installer did not give me an option. For one at least net installer
2264[16:16:28] <Agiofws> Legasy bios
2265[16:16:40] <tarantul> Ppl! If I want build package with pbuilder, should I have orig.tar.gz ?
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2267[16:16:52] <simbalion> Does the dist-upgrade to stretch from jessie run "mysql-upgrade" to update the database for mariadb?
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2269[16:17:06] <petn-randall> tarantul: yes, it helps to have the source code if you want to build a package.
2270[16:17:15] <Haohmaru> petn-randall, i recently installed 32bit debian 8.8 with lxde onto a usb stick.. it takes less than 15 minutes to reach the desktop
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2273[16:17:41] <petn-randall> Haohmaru: Is it a common USB stick, or did you pay more than 20$ for it?
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2275[16:17:59] <Haohmaru> a cheap one
2276[16:18:09] <Agiofws> I payed 10 euros for it but
2277[16:18:11] * greycat wonders why you'd put a "desktop" on such a thing
2278[16:18:21] <Agiofws> Still it should boot into grub
2279[16:18:33] <Haohmaru> greycat, because the thing couldn't have a hard disk
2280[16:18:49] <greycat> Agiofws: maybe you should manually partition the thing outside of the installer, so you have all the tools you want
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2283[16:19:20] <Agiofws> Can you give me a schematic?
2284[16:19:35] <Agiofws> How many partitions what is?
2285[16:19:50] <Agiofws> What fs?
2286[16:20:08] <greycat> dos partition label, leave 1 MB or more at the beginning (don't start the partition at byte 0, leave space for an MBR), make one partition that spans the rest of the device, and use that as /
2287[16:20:15] <greycat> no swap space, because swapping to this device is the last thing you ever want
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2289[16:20:44] <Haohmaru> Agiofws, when you partitioned the usb stick - did you have the B flag on the partition which should be bootable?
2290[16:20:54] <Haohmaru> or did you left it without
2291[16:21:03] <Haohmaru> and which version of debian did you try
2292[16:21:10] <Agiofws> Does cfdisk or fdisk give me an option for dos partition
2293[16:21:20] <potentialfedora> unless you have some very old system then swapping is ok, right?
2294[16:21:25] <Agiofws> Yes I did
2295[16:21:36] <greycat> potentialfedora: we're talking about a commodity $10 USB stick
2296[16:21:41] <Agiofws> Debian 9
2297[16:22:03] <potentialfedora> oh
2298[16:22:03] <greycat> (or €10)
2299[16:22:06] <Haohmaru> i had issues with debian 8.5 iirc, the installation did not ask me where to put grub, and decided to put it onto the wrong usb stick i guess (the one where the actual live iso runs from)
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2301[16:22:21] <Haohmaru> but debian 8.8 live installation asked, and it worke
2302[16:22:23] <Haohmaru> ..d
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2306[16:22:52] <Agiofws> So 2 partitions?
2307[16:23:03] <greycat> What are you going to use the second one for?
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2309[16:23:10] <Agiofws> Is dos a filesystem?
2310[16:23:17] <greycat> .......
2311[16:23:20] <greycat> why me
2312[16:23:36] <Agiofws> For the root installation
2313[16:23:42] <Agiofws> /
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2315[16:23:58] <Agiofws> And the first for grub?
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2317[16:24:09] <greycat> In parted, the "mklabel" command takes an argument for the type of disklabel (partition table format). Options include "msdos" and "gpt" and a bunch of other, weird things.
2318[16:24:37] <greycat> I don't know what the cfdisk or fdisk analogous commands are.
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2320[16:25:04] <tarantul> petn-randall: How I can build a package if I get source from git? I want build package without generating orig.tar.gz and *.dsc files. Is it possible?
2321[16:25:32] <petn-randall> tarantul: With what command are you currently building it?
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2325[16:25:50] <Agiofws> Gfeycat one partition but not starting from 0 byte?
2326[16:25:59] <greycat> Yes, that's what I said.
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2329[16:26:22] <greycat> That's how it normally works with msdos disklabels.
2330[16:26:31] <Agiofws> How do I get a dos partition on it though?
2331[16:26:43] <greycat> You don't.
2332[16:26:47] <Agiofws> Mkfs.msdos?
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2335[16:27:04] <Agiofws> ?
2336[16:27:05] <greycat> msdos or dos is the name of the DISKLABEL aka the PARTITION TABLE TYPE
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2338[16:27:22] <greycat> I NEVER said to create a fat/vfat/ntfs FILE SYSTEM.
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2340[16:27:38] <Agiofws> Ok and how do I set the partition table type?
2341[16:27:50] <greycat> In parted, it's "mklabel msdos".
2342[16:27:59] <greycat> I don't know the analogous commands for cfdisk or fdisk.
2343[16:28:01] <potentialfedora> there is an option in gparted to do that
2344[16:29:04] <Agiofws> And after that make a partition starting from further that the first MB?
2345[16:29:31] <potentialfedora> yes else there is no space for grub
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2348[16:30:41] <jrmu> ls
2349[16:31:29] <jrmu> sorry, ignore, typo
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2351[16:32:02] <petn-randall> dpkg: ls
2352[16:32:03] <dpkg> CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
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2354[16:32:11] <petn-randall> jrmu: :)
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2358[16:33:56] <shtrb> petn wtf ?
2359[16:34:17] <potentialfedora> is dpkg a bot?
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2361[16:34:24] <tarantul> petn-randall: pdebuild
2362[16:34:25] <greycat> dpkg, what are you
2363[16:34:25] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
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2365[16:34:40] <jrmu> petn-randall: yeah sorry for typing in the wrong window. although I think it's dir on windows
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2369[16:35:20] <tarantul> petn-randall: I try pdebuild, but currently I have no one success build
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2373[16:35:30] <shtrb> greycat , where can I get that exchange 1 usd to 1 euro ?
2374[16:35:44] <sonOfRa> dpkg: do you pass the turing test?
2375[16:35:44] * dpkg eagerly does you pass the turing test
2376[16:35:56] <sonOfRa> aw.
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2384[16:38:02] <potentialfedora> dpkg, what is your dream
2385[16:38:02] <dpkg> potentialfedora: what are you talking about?
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2388[16:38:53] <greycat> !dream
2389[16:38:53] * dpkg rolls over and envisions being hosted on the MCR cluster in LLNL with a load of 1
2390[16:39:01] <huwjr> hia - anyone run into an issue running cirrus on ubuntu 16.04.2 specifically? seems to be setting the wrong console at boot and i’m unsure as to the proper fix
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2393[16:39:22] <greycat> huwjr: sounds like a question for #ubuntu
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2395[16:39:34] <huwjr> woops!
2396[16:39:40] <vista> Hey, I appear to have made a complete mess of my packages, specifically in the gcc/cpp areas after my half-assed attempt at updating my kernel
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2398[16:40:01] <galex-713> petn-randall, re
2399[16:40:06] <vista> is there any simple way of returning my installed packages to a sane state?
2400[16:40:15] <vista> or should I start preparing a debian ISO
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2402[16:40:39] <greycat> vista: what did you break, exactly?
2403[16:40:42] <abrotman> vista: we'd need more info on "mess"
2404[16:41:05] <vista> I am trying to install linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 at the moment
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2406[16:41:53] <vista> I get the message "Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
2407[16:42:11] <vista> trying to install that leads to "Depends: gcc-6 ..."
2408[16:42:13] <petn-randall> !bat
2409[16:42:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2411[16:42:28] <petn-randall> vista: Can you provide *all* info from dpkg's factoid above?
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2415[16:43:06] <vista> sure thing
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2421[16:44:35] <galex-713> petn-randall, so how can there be a password problem for a password-less AP, and how can there be an SSID typo if I never wrote it with my keyboard but just used the mouse?
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2424[16:44:57] <vista> here is the paste: replaced-url
2425[16:45:02] <vista> it's a mess, I know
2426[16:45:28] <vista> there must be packages on my system from 3 different sources
2427[16:45:49] <galex-713> afaik debian don’t support different sources from debian
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2429[16:46:14] <galex-713> yet maybe it depends from how much of the system maybe, or how much libs come from non-debian sources
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2432[16:46:53] <vista> the mirror.atw.co.hu ones are just debian mirrors hosted by my VPS provider
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2439[16:47:47] <petn-randall> vista: I'd just reinstall
2440[16:47:49] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
2441[16:47:50] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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2443[16:47:56] <vista> yeah, that's the plan
2444[16:48:43] <petn-randall> vista: You've got jessie, jessie-backports and unstable, security-updates from stretch, and random Ubuntu PPAs in there. $deity knows what state your system is in.
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2446[16:49:43] <vista> blame the random Ubuntu PPA on the !$&£# that is Ansible
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2453[16:53:26] <petn-randall> vista: I'm guessing your system is a third of jessie, stretch and unstable. Especially if it's an libc6 issue.
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2455[16:53:52] <vista> yup
2456[16:54:01] <galex-713> petn-randall, no idea?
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2458[16:54:15] <petn-randall> galex-713: Sorry, no.
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2463[16:55:18] <galex-713> :/
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2467[16:55:36] <galex-713> petn-randall, an idea of where I could ask? where I could find people who know more about wifi?
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2472[16:55:52] <galex-713> #linux? some debian mailing-list? is there a network-manager channel?
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2475[16:57:13] <petn-randall> galex-713: In here maybe? You just need to be a little patient.
2476[16:57:40] <Agiofws> potentialfedora: so if choose to install grub onto a extra partition it didn't install grub onto the USB even if I choose Dev/USB?
2477[16:58:04] <Agiofws> Dev/sdb
2478[16:58:24] <galex-713> petn-randall, do people really read backlog here?
2479[16:58:35] <greycat> You don't install GRUB into a partition in the msdos universe. You install it onto a *device*. The first few hundred bytes of the device are called the "MBR". It's raw. Primitive.
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2507[17:11:10] <Agiofws> And how would I know if the / installation started from 0 byte or not?
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2510[17:11:52] <greycat> By looking at the friggin' partition table in whatever tool you are using.
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2512[17:12:34] <greycat> Either fdisk -l, or parted -l, or the analogous invocation of whatever you are using.
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2515[17:13:00] <greycat> (Or various internal commands to print the partition table as is, while you are inside one of them, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.)
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2517[17:13:56] <galex-713> also I’m still searching how to send smses from debian when I have a gsm modem inside my computer
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2520[17:16:40] <David_Hedlund> Can I show hidden files in the Desktop?
2521[17:16:54] <David_Hedlund> on the Desktop*
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2549[17:28:42] <BluesKaj> David_Hedlund, which DE?
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2552[17:30:04] <David_Hedlund> BluesKaj: GNOME but the don't answer in #gnome
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2554[17:30:53] <marilynp> might be OT
2555[17:30:55] <marilynp> any idea why i'm getting a Context3D not available! Possible reasons: wrong wmode or missing device support. error on facebook games running 32 bit firefox 54.0 version
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2558[17:31:10] <BluesKaj> David_Hedlund, dunno much about gnome...think hidden files are hidden for a good reason...clutter on the desktop
2559[17:31:11] <marilynp> google search yeilds no fixes
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2561[17:32:08] <abrotman> might need the gnome-tweak-tool
2562[17:32:08] <BluesKaj> David_Hedlund, and they aren't used very much
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2564[17:32:58] <petn-randall> marilynp: Why might it be OT? What are you trying to do? etc.
2565[17:32:59] <petn-randall> !ask
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2567[17:32:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2569[17:33:35] <petn-randall> marilynp: It makes sense to at least provide enough context so people understand what you're talking about.
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2572[17:34:10] <marilynp> get some facebook games working in firefox 54.0
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2574[17:34:36] <marilynp> Context3D not available! Possible reasons: wrong wmode or missing device support.
2575[17:34:38] <petn-randall> marilynp: And where is this error showing up?
2576[17:34:44] <marilynp> is the error when running the game
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2578[17:34:57] <petn-randall> marilynp: The error shows up on the web page?
2579[17:34:59] <marilynp> in facebook
2580[17:35:01] <marilynp> yes
2581[17:35:42] <David_Hedlund> abrotman: Thank you. Its not in gnome-tweak-tool either. There should really be an option to show hidden files on the Desktop though.
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2584[17:36:16] <marilynp> cleared cache and lfash cache
2585[17:36:23] <marilynp> still same issue
2586[17:36:24] <petn-randall> marilynp: From a quick google search this is due to Adobe flash not being installed.
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2589[17:36:43] <marilynp> have installed flashplugin-installer
2590[17:36:52] <petn-randall> ,v flashplugin-installer
2591[17:36:53] <judd> No package named 'flashplugin-installer' was found in amd64.
2592[17:37:00] <marilynp> flash player is showing in about:pluggins
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2594[17:37:21] <petn-randall> marilynp: Then your only hope is to ask whoever made the game to fix it.
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2598[17:37:34] <jrmu> I installed sudo, then ran visudo and uncommented the sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL line, ran adduser <nick> sudo, then logged out and back in again, verified that `groups` outputs sudo, and still can't use sudo because my user is not in the sudoers file
2599[17:38:20] <dTal> marilynp: when you say google yields no fixes, did you try the first result for "context3d" which suggests that it's a conflict between the particular version of Flash and Firefox?
2600[17:38:30] <BluesKaj> jrmu, you have to be root to adduser to sudo
2601[17:38:35] <jrmu> it's easy for me to add an extra line specifically for my user but does anyone know why adding my user to the sudo group doesn't work?
2602[17:38:38] <petn-randall> jrmu: It's not commented. '%sudo' applies to the group sudo, as opposed to 'sudo [...]' which applies to the user sudo.
2603[17:38:41] <dTal> replaced-url
2604[17:38:48] <jrmu> BluesKaj: all this is being run as root
2605[17:39:36] <jrmu> petn-randall: Oh! ok, so by deleting the %, I made sudo think it was for the user 'sudo' rather than the group sudo
2606[17:39:36] <jrmu> thanks, let me put that % back in
2607[17:39:50] <DammitJim> I don't even know where to ask this question, but here it goes... what do I need to do to ensure a service is not in the middle of an action so that if I reboot it, the service gets all messed up
2608[17:40:18] <DammitJim> so, the service I'm talking about deals with a java service wrapper that runs jobs on a scheduled basis
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2610[17:40:30] <somiaj> you shoudln't have to do anything, a proper shutdown should ask the service to shutdown, which means that your shutdown/reboot will wait until the service completes its process and shuts down.
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2612[17:40:34] <DammitJim> it seems that the last time I rebooted the server, one of those jobs got all messed up
2613[17:40:41] <jrmu> petn-randall: fixed, thank you
2614[17:40:42] <bezaban> DammitJim: the service will be shut down by the init script (or systemd unit), which should cleanly exit
2615[17:40:52] <somiaj> DammitJim: is this a service that has a unit file or a cron job?
2616[17:40:55] <bezaban> if there is none, write one :)
2617[17:41:00] <DammitJim> so, maybe I have a problem with this java service wrapper?
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2619[17:41:23] <somiaj> the shutdown script for the service should know to wait for it to complete any action before shutting it down.
2620[17:41:34] <DammitJim> somiaj, unit file...
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2622[17:41:41] <petn-randall> jrmu: you're welcome!
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2624[17:41:52] <somiaj> unit file, look at the options DammitJim, there should be some
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2626[17:42:07] <marilynp> dTal: yes i have read that i wondered if you very knowledgable guys knew of a fix! i see there is a bug report and that i should be a little patient
2627[17:42:07] <DammitJim> yeah, now I think I can see this more clearly... there is something about this java service wrapper and the application that runs these jobs where there is a disconnect
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2630[17:42:36] <DammitJim> I also thought it would be ridiculous that I would need to watch every single service to make sure it wasn't "doing anything" so that I can restart the service
2631[17:42:40] <DammitJim> restart the server*
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2658[17:50:17] <marilynp> dTal: seems to work in chromium lets hope fireofx and adobe flash fix the the issue for others soon
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2661[17:51:24] <nicechap> hi, what is the easiest way to install vlc 3 (or newer) on my debian stretch?
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2663[17:51:33] <jhutchins> DammitJim: WE don't deal with the kill command as much as we used to, but what you're looking at is the difference between a kill -15 which is a clean shutdown, refuse new requests and complete existing processes, close files cleanly, and a kill -9 which stops the process now, no matter what it's doing.
2664[17:51:34] <nicechap> googling didnt really help me much
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2666[17:52:12] <jhutchins> DammitJim: A proper shutdown uses the TERM signal and waits for a clean exit.
2667[17:52:27] <jhutchins> ,v vlc
2668[17:52:29] <judd> Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 2.2.4-1~deb8u1; jessie: 2.2.5-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.6-1~deb9u1; sid: 2.2.6-3; buster: 2.2.6-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u3; stretch-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo2; sid-multimedia:
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2670[17:52:30] <judd> 1:2.2.6-dmo4; buster-multimedia: 1:2.2.6-dmo4
2671[17:52:55] <jhutchins> nicechap: What does 3 have that you need?
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2674[17:53:20] <nicechap> well, the reason is that I want to stream my videos to chromecast
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2676[17:53:55] <jhutchins> nicechap: Current release appears to be 2.2.6
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2678[17:54:03] <nicechap> I tried python tool, but the videos stutter a lot (Pat-Carter/stream2chromecast)
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2680[17:54:41] <petn-randall> nicechap: Given that VLC v3 isn't even released yet, I doubt you'll find it in Debian any time soon.
2681[17:54:47] <nicechap> jhutchins: I downloaded the source but it looks scary
2682[17:54:58] <nicechap> not daring to compile
2683[17:55:06] <jhutchins> Where from? The VLC page has 2.2.6
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2687[17:55:55] <nicechap> replaced-url
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2692[17:56:54] <petn-randall> nicechap: Even there I don't see a 3.0 release.
2693[17:57:04] <nicechap> >300mb I believe
2694[17:57:32] <nicechap> uhh crap, maybe I read it wrong
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2697[17:58:14] <nicechap> indeed, my bad
2698[17:58:18] <assassinpinapple> hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome!
2699[17:58:19] <nicechap> the version I had didnt work
2700[17:58:29] <nicechap> and read a web link too quickly
2701[17:58:33] <petn-randall> nicechap: They might be preparing a 3.0 release in the master branch, but there are good chances it doesn't even compile yet.
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2704[17:58:48] <nicechap> let me retry the command
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2707[17:59:33] <Trel> Is there a way to install debian with the text mode installer WITHOUT downloading upgrades (from the netinst version), like a command line switch or something. I want to assign IP information and such, but don't want to download the updates as part of the install process.
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2709[18:00:07] <jhutchins> nicechap: Unless you plan to work on developing it, 2.2.6 is what you want to run.
2710[18:00:14] <jrmu> is there a wiki page somewhere with some quick tips on how to reduce power consumption on laptops?
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2713[18:00:40] <dondelelcaro> Trel: in the netinst, you'll have to install some packages from the net which generally means installing updates as well
2714[18:00:43] <nicechap> so I run this, $ vlc --sout="#chromecast{ip=192.168.0.17}" video.mkv
2715[18:00:45] <jhutchins> Trel: What are you trying to accomplish by avoiding the updates?
2716[18:00:56] <nicechap> and I get... core stream output error: stream chain failed for `chromecast{ip=192.168.0.17}'
2717[18:01:08] <nicechap> I know that this is the IP address where ccast runs
2718[18:02:00] <jrmu> if there was a simple command to run to reduce the processor performance, that would probably be good enough
2719[18:02:02] <Trel> dondelelcaro, it's not necessary because I can get what I need completely offline (with netinst). jhutchins, my goal is to quickly build out and configure a base image without having to wait. I can do the updates after I configure everything.
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2721[18:03:11] <jhutchins> Trel: I don't run the installer very often, but iirc the netinst pulls the latest version from the net, it doesn't do a separate update step except possibly for the packages it installs from the image rather than from the net.
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2726[18:03:55] <jhutchins> Trel: If you're doing multiple machines and don't want to wait for downloads, use a full install image and say no when it asks to update.
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2730[18:04:45] <petn-randall> Trel: If you want to install offline, there are complete DVD sets for that. But maybe you want to tell us about the bigger picture first.
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2732[18:05:20] <ssarah> on a new debian server machine, what do u do to avoid all the locale problems?
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2734[18:05:35] <petn-randall> !ask
2735[18:05:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2736[18:05:36] <Trel> petn-randall, I want to install offline with the netinst disc. That's the whole picture. It installs enough of what I need for a QUICK test machine.
2737[18:05:37] <ssarah> i'm in portugal, so i usually get a lot of locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
2738[18:05:39] <petn-randall> ssarah: ^^^
2739[18:05:43] <Trel> And is nice and small
2740[18:05:53] <Trel> But I need to wait for the update step to time out which wastes time.
2741[18:05:59] <dondelelcaro> Trel: if you don't select a mirror, it won't try to do updates.
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2743[18:06:46] <dondelelcaro> (or at least, it shouldn't. It also won't configure sources.list, but presumably that's what you want too)
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2745[18:06:53] <ssarah> before i put LC_ALL=C somewhere to fix it, but i'm reading in the docs that's not recommended, is there a good practice
2746[18:06:58] <ssarah> ?
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2748[18:07:04] <Trel> dondelelcaro, that could work I'll give that a shot.
2749[18:07:13] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: you should just dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the correct locales
2750[18:07:16] <assassinpinapple> ssarah, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale?
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2752[18:07:38] <ssarah> i want it to be non-interactive
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2754[18:07:44] <ssarah> is there way?
2755[18:07:56] <Trel> I'm about to build a test VM in a few moments, I'll let you know if that worked.
2756[18:07:58] <mr__tea> there is always a way
2757[18:08:04] <ssarah> hehe
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2761[18:09:06] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: yes, put them in /etc/locale.gen, and run locale-gen
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2764[18:09:20] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: man locale.gen locale-gen; for details
2765[18:09:38] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: you can see that from /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.config
2766[18:09:53] <dondelelcaro> (which is the script that dpkg-reconfigure locales; actually runs)
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2772[18:10:54] <ssarah> dondelelcaro, is C / POSIX a valid locale there? Can't find them on the list of commented locales.
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2774[18:11:15] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: C is the default locale of the C library. It's not a locale, per-se.
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2777[18:11:52] <dondelelcaro> (or at least, that's what I remember; it's possible it has some other meaning)
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2779[18:12:21] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: but man setlocale; for details about that and where it is defined
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2781[18:12:25] <petn-randall> ssarah: Can you show us an example of the errors you get?
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2785[18:14:27] <ssarah> replaced-url
2786[18:14:49] <ssarah> i find that in all new machines after an install they end up with these kind of problems
2787[18:15:26] <assassinpinapple> hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome!
2788[18:15:27] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: that's because during the install, you didn't have pt_PT.UTF-8 built, and instead had the default locale set to en_US.UTF-8
2789[18:15:35] <petn-randall> ssarah: Are you logging in via SSH?
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2791[18:15:52] <ssarah> nope
2792[18:15:55] <ssarah> ah wait
2793[18:15:56] <ssarah> yes
2794[18:15:57] <ssarah> its a vm
2795[18:16:13] <dondelelcaro> ssarah: so yeah, since it's a VM, you'll have to build that locale.
2796[18:16:20] <dondelelcaro> or install the locales-all package
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2802[18:17:06] <jhutchins> assassinpinapple: You will have to create at least one new partition for the new install.
2803[18:17:17] <jhutchins> assassinpinapple: No need to use LVM if you don't want to.
2804[18:17:52] <jhutchins> assassinpinapple: If your swap partition is unencrypted, you can share it.
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2807[18:18:36] <assassinpinapple> jhutchins, nope, swap is encrypted. And it would be nice to share data anyway, as I'm the only user. No way to stuff the new install into the existing encrypted disk?
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2812[18:19:49] <petn-randall> ssarah: You're seeing that error because you SSH client is setting the locale to pt_PT.UTF-8, but it doesn't exist on the VM. You simply need to generate it, or change the locale on your local system.
2813[18:20:00] <assassinpinapple> In case that is not possible, when I'm asked where to install the GRUB I'd just do it on the same disk as the first one or should I prepare a partition for it?
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2815[18:20:28] <ssarah> how about i just set LC_ALL="C" in /etc/default/locale ?
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2820[18:20:49] <ssarah> good idea?bad idea?
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2826[18:23:13] <Trel> dondelelcaro, it still did
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2837[18:26:54] <ssarah> it seems happy if i just do that
2838[18:27:21] <ssarah> "Using LC_ALL is strongly discouraged as it overrides everything. Please use it only when testing and never set it in a startup file." <- the docs say this, tho
2839[18:27:56] <petn-randall> ssarah: Usually your best bet is to generate your (or simply all) locales.
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2845[18:29:46] <ssarah> petn-randall, ok, so how about this? I just set LANG=C and nothing else and then install that locales-all package ?
2846[18:29:55] <ssarah> this would be a good policy?
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2851[18:30:43] <petn-randall> ssarah: It should be enough to just install locales-all, no further steps needed.
2852[18:31:22] <ssarah> well, if someone else sets LANG for me it would be annoying.
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2854[18:31:30] <ssarah> thanks a bunch :)
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2866[18:36:59] <Masterphi> Would this tutorial also work with debian? replaced-url
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2869[18:39:38] <mutante> Masterphi: replaced-url
2870[18:40:08] <mutante> so i would say "probably yea"
2871[18:40:44] <Masterphi> pretty similar eh
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2874[18:41:44] <Masterphi> the commands seem to be the exact same, just the package name is different?
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2879[18:42:32] <Masterphi> I have a few ubuntu machines, and a few debian ones. I'm trying to document instructions to set this up for both (hoping there's little difference between each other)
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2882[18:43:08] <mutante> Masterphi: i think even the package name is the same
2883[18:43:28] <Masterphi> on debian> apt-get install unattended-upgrades apt-listchanges
2884[18:43:38] <mutante> Masterphi: given that Ubuntu almost everything from Debian.. there should not be a big difference.. i would be surprised if there was
2885[18:43:44] <Masterphi> oih you're right
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2887[18:44:31] <Masterphi> heh
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2889[18:44:59] <Masterphi> ubuntu on ec2 already comes with those files in apt.conf.d
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2891[18:45:04] <Masterphi> neat
2892[18:45:12] <petn-randall> ssarah: The LC_* vars are set by your SSH client on login.
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2895[18:46:49] <mutante> Masterphi: time to just make them all Debian :)
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2904[18:49:32] <Masterphi> mutante: if it was up to me, it would be priority 1 at the moment
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2906[18:49:52] <Masterphi> i've seen some ec2 ubuntu instances becoming zombie for no apparent reason
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2918[18:52:34] <mutante> Masterphi: gotcha:) good luck, laters
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2920[18:52:50] <Masterphi> :+1:
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2976[19:16:09] <kankusht> good afternoon
2977[19:16:10] <assassinpinapple> hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on a FDE, and I am wondering how may I go to install another debian in the same hard disk without having to set up another LVM. Couldn't find much by searching, any hint is welcome!
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2980[19:16:33] <kankusht> Does anyone know how to download asterisk?
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2987[19:18:14] <nkuttler> kankusht: what do you mean?
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2991[19:19:15] <vlt> kankusht: Does `apt install asterisk` do what you need?
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2995[19:19:59] <kankusht> I'm setting up a linux pbx server and I need to download asterisk, but what I found on the website was asteriskNOW. Is that the same asterisk?
2996[19:20:16] <nkuttler> the website?
2997[19:20:40] <kankusht> yes, the official asterisk website
2998[19:20:45] <nkuttler> kankusht: anyway, you're using debian. apt-get install what you want
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3001[19:21:08] <kankusht> actually I'm using fedora
3002[19:21:16] <greycat> Then you are in the wrong channel.
3003[19:22:09] <kankusht> I'm sorry
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3007[19:23:42] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: are you looking to shrink the partition that your luks/dm-crypt volume is on to make more room for it, or are you trying to install a second Debian system to the same LVM volume group inside that encrypted volume?
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3009[19:24:15] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, I'd like to do the second one
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3011[19:24:27] <assassinpinapple> Shrinking the partition seems easy enough
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3014[19:25:09] <jmcnaught> shrinking the partition was the first one… you're already getting confused this is a bad idea
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3018[19:27:16] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, I know it's the first one, that is what I meant. I'd like to do the second one, as the first one was easy enough not to bother you with questions on how to do it =)
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3021[19:28:33] <jmcnaught> anyways to make room inside the LVM volume group, you will need to shrink at least one of your logical volumes. The order you generally do this is 0. Test that your backups work 1. resize the filesystem residing on the LV with resize2fs or similar 2. resize the LV with lvreduce
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3024[19:29:42] <assassinpinapple> And then to install the other debian I shall proceed normally? I've never installed into an encrypted LVM
3025[19:29:49] <jmcnaught> still… /boot is usually outside of the LVM volume group (on a regular partition), so to avoid confusion there you will probably want to label both the current install's /boot and the new /boot's filesystem
3026[19:29:55] <kankusht> I have another question, this time is debian related stuff :)
3027[19:30:21] <jmcnaught> honestly i wouldn't install a second debian system. if i wanted access to a second debian system, i would create a container or virtual machine
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3029[19:30:52] <assassinpinapple> I can't make a virtual machine, my pc doesn't support it (and would anyway run out of resources)
3030[19:30:59] <kankusht> how can I search for the newest repository on the terminal?
3031[19:31:10] <kankusht> repositories*
3032[19:31:15] <petn-randall> kankusht: The newest repository of what?
3033[19:31:27] <petn-randall> kankusht: Try explaining what you're trying to achieve.
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3035[19:31:37] <kankusht> of any package I need
3036[19:31:44] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: another option is install your second Debian to a USB stick or other removable drive
3037[19:31:51] <kankusht> for example obs -studio
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3040[19:32:41] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, that could be another option, it's just slower to always run an OS on a stick
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3042[19:33:27] <kankusht> I mean, is it possible to search repositories in the terminal?
3043[19:33:42] <greycat> apt-cache search, or apt search, or something something aptitude
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3052[19:36:16] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: what's the reason for the second Debian install?
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3055[19:36:59] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, I'd like it to use some newer version of packages
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3057[19:37:58] <petn-randall> assassinpinapple: Then a chroot might be all you need.
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3060[19:38:08] <assassinpinapple> while I like stability, sometimes it's nice to peek at some more edgy things.
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3062[19:38:26] <petn-randall> assassinpinapple: Have you checked stable-backports?
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3064[19:38:31] <themill> !schroot
3065[19:38:31] <dpkg> schroot is an easy way of setting up a <chroot> in a way that can be treated as a session. If desired, modification to the chroot can be prevented using overlayfs or LVM snapshots, making it very convenient for building packages or simply running packages from other releases with minimal containment. See replaced-url
3066[19:39:10] <assassinpinapple> yes, but for some like uzbl there are heavy requirements (I'm with jessie now)
3067[19:39:31] <assassinpinapple> I'll try with chroot then, thanks!
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3070[19:40:01] <petn-randall> assassinpinapple: Then maybe upgrade to stretch? It's already released quite a while, and it's surely stable enough for desktop usage.
3071[19:40:34] <`Kevin> ^ upgrade or use a container
3072[19:41:04] <assassinpinapple> I know, I should give it a try, I just fear the dist-upgrade and a backup takes a bit of time
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3074[19:41:12] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: FYI that web browser probably doesn't get security updates in Debian. Look for the note about "Security status of web browsers" in both the jessie and stretch release notes
3075[19:41:12] <assassinpinapple> I'll try with schroot first, seems quicker
3076[19:41:49] <assassinpinapple> mmhm, that is too bad, as it's a very comfy browser
3077[19:42:07] <jmcnaught> firefox-esr and chromium are the browsers with security support
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3080[19:42:26] <assassinpinapple> I know, but they are also way more resource hungry
3081[19:42:29] <jmcnaught> all other browsers are "only use for safe content" which excludes the public internet
3082[19:42:58] <petn-randall> assassinpinapple: "resource hungry" will become irrelevant if your machine is infected with malware.
3083[19:43:11] <themill> tbh, all web browsers should probably have that warning
3084[19:43:33] <teraflops> a container looks like a good solution, I'm not talking about security obv.
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3087[19:44:33] <`Kevin> its a good solution you just need to sort out the X stuff if you are looking todo a browser or something
3088[19:44:38] <`Kevin> `gui`
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3090[19:45:08] <teraflops> yeah but that's not a problem
3091[19:45:10] <assassinpinapple> petn-randall, I'm using this older browsers in a firejail environment, it should be enough to confine the issue?
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3097[19:48:31] <petn-randall> assassinpinapple: I've never looked at firejail, so I can't say much about it.
3098[19:48:47] <assassinpinapple> I see, thanks anyway for your kind suggestions
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3100[19:49:01] <nomadic> Hello, how can I set my wireless device to use an specific module?
3101[19:49:01] <assassinpinapple> I'll try chrooting the whole thing up!
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3104[19:49:24] <assassinpinapple> nomadic, iwconfig ?
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3108[19:49:47] <nomadic> assassinpinapple, it doesn't show my wireless device.
3109[19:50:15] <assassinpinapple> ifconfig -a ?
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3111[19:50:29] <nomadic> assassinpinapple, nor iwconfig, nor ifconfig and ip link...
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3113[19:50:40] <nomadic> the modules are not gettin' loaded...
3114[19:50:41] <greycat> If you have a wireless NIC and it's not showing up, usually it means you need some non-free firmware.
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3117[19:51:00] <assassinpinapple> what wifi card have you got?
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3119[19:51:39] <Bsadowski1> Hmm, shared clipboard doesn't seem to work in VirtualBox for Debian ><
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3122[19:52:09] <nomadic> assassinpinapple, Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico 2]
3123[19:52:50] <themill> do you have firmware-iwlwifi installed?
3124[19:53:01] <nomadic> greycat, the necessary modules are on the /lib/modules directory, but when I load them with modprobe, the device does not appear either...
3125[19:53:14] <greycat> nomadic: sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware
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3127[19:53:23] <greycat> But I'd also listen to themill.
3128[19:54:30] <themill> or more likely firmware-ipw2x00 in this case
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3130[19:55:00] <greycat> The firmware errors from dmesg will usually contain a filename, and then you can ask judd which package has that file, and install it.
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3132[19:55:32] * judd waves
3133[19:55:36] <greycat> And maybe pick up the intel-microcode package too, if this is an Intel CPU, while you're at it
3134[19:55:41] <nomadic> themill, no, I havent installed that package
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3138[19:56:21] <nomadic> but the ipw2200.ko module is in my /lib/modules/${kernel_version} dir
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3140[19:56:32] <themill> we're not talking about modules
3141[19:56:43] <nomadic> uhm...
3142[19:56:48] <greycat> Firmware is in separate packages from kernel modules.
3143[19:57:02] <nomadic> oh, ok!
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3145[19:57:29] <nomadic> I'll checkout then with those packages installed! thanks!
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3147[19:58:04] <greycat> cf. replaced-url
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3150[19:59:11] <nomadic> I thought modules and firmware were almost the same thing...
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3172[20:03:55] <nkuttler> nomadic: not at all. most firmware is non-free
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3175[20:06:10] <greycat> Non-free firmware is a blob of opaque machine code bytes provided by the device manufacturer. Nobody knows what it does, except that it's required to make the device operate.
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3177[20:07:36] <petn-randall> nomadic: Firmware is machine code that runs *on the device*, not on your CPU.
3178[20:07:39] <greycat> Free firmware (yes, there is some) is a blob of machine code bytes that were produced by someone with the actual source code, and can be fixed if need be.
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3180[20:08:15] <Trel> Ok, I give up. When using the live installer (in text-mode) how do I avoid installing a gui?
3181[20:08:20] <petn-randall> Though there's even firmware for CPUs nowadays, so my description might not be accurate ...
3182[20:08:46] <nomadic> Oh ok, I get it... And the modules I suppose its like a bridge to make that firmware oparate with the OS?
3183[20:08:47] <petn-randall> Trel: Use the official installer? The live installer is tech preview last time I checked.
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3185[20:09:01] <greycat> The live installers still have open bugs.
3186[20:09:02] <Trel> What is the official single disk installer?
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3188[20:09:10] <Trel> That's NOT netinst
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3190[20:09:16] <greycat> Trel: with or without non.... oh well screw that.
3191[20:09:27] <greycat> Why would you NOT want a netinst if you are installing GUI-less?
3192[20:09:55] <Trel> Because there's no net...
3193[20:10:11] <greycat> So, you're just going to play hunt the wumpus all day?
3194[20:10:13] <Trel> or at least not one it can access right away
3195[20:10:20] <petn-randall> Trel: Then pick the full DVDs.
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3197[20:10:25] <themill> the netinst doesn't require a network to complete
3198[20:10:35] <Trel> themill, if you want an SSH server it does
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3200[20:10:42] <Trel> petn-randall, I've yet to find that.
3201[20:10:54] <Trel> I see a three DVD set
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3203[20:11:15] <themill> you have, of course, looked at docs that say you don't need all 3
3204[20:11:18] <greycat> Why in the hell are you installing an ssh server a computer with no network?
3205[20:11:31] <Trel> greycat, not no network, no internet connection
3206[20:11:40] <Trel> aka, no way to get to Debian's server to get packages
3207[20:11:57] <greycat> Then the official answer is to use DVD #1.
3208[20:12:05] <greycat> And you have my pity.
3209[20:12:09] <petn-randall> Trel: Maybe describe what you want to achieve then? Because you're constantly moving the goal post.
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3211[20:12:38] <petn-randall> Like, why is there no internet during installation, but later there is?
3212[20:12:41] <Trel> petn-randall, where did I change from what I first said (not my earlier question from a couple of hours ago)
3213[20:12:50] <Trel> petn-randall, there's NEVER an internet connection.
3214[20:12:58] <Trel> there is however a network connection
3215[20:13:13] <themill> So you've already got DVD1 going, yes?
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3219[20:14:16] <petn-randall> Trel: At first you said you need no GUI, then you said you don't have internet during installation, then you mentioned you need SSH ...
3220[20:14:17] <themill> The DVDs are designed for offline installation, with more on each one depending on how much you want to install. There's still a good chance you could want something that's not on the DVD, of course. At that stage, you want a local mirror or a proxy
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3224[20:14:46] <Trel> petn-randall, all of those things are still true.
3225[20:15:04] <petn-randall> Trel: yeah, you just didn't mention them from the start.
3226[20:15:05] <themill> Trel: drip-feeding the requirements doesn't make helpers love you
3227[20:15:09] <mutante> Trel: what is the actual problem? no dvd drive?
3228[20:15:26] <greycat> I'm assuming a "cluster" on an isolated internal network.
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3230[20:15:40] <greycat> Too bad he won't just tell us and forestall the guessing.
3231[20:15:54] <themill> pity there are tools that could help with that if that were the case
3232[20:16:04] <Trel> My original question covered exactly what I wanted. The details are because I'm being asked for more information. You'll note the correct answer didn't actually change from my inital question.
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3234[20:16:21] <themill> Trel: So you've already got DVD1 going, yes?
3235[20:16:23] <mutante> Well, i guess we are not going to find out then
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3237[20:16:29] <mutante> good luck
3238[20:16:29] <Trel> themill, I'm trying to download it
3239[20:17:05] <Trel> find out what mutante?
3240[20:17:06] <themill> Maybe concentrate on that for a bit rather than justifying how bidirectional communication failing has nothing to do with you. Might be better for everyone.
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3245[20:18:34] <Trel> If you must know, my goal is a VM to put on an internal network to allow me to make an SSH tunnel into that network. I will allow access to that VM across networks.
3246[20:18:45] <Trel> So now you know what I'm doing.
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3248[20:18:54] <Trel> Does the answer change from my initial question?
3249[20:19:16] <themill> Trel: yes, because it changes it from the netinst to the DVD...
3250[20:19:27] <Trel> The first answer given to me was to use the dvd...
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3252[20:20:00] <themill> and yet you didn't ;(
3253[20:20:11] <Trel> What do you mean I didn't? I JUST asked
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3255[20:20:36] <petn-randall> Let's move on here, please.
3256[20:20:45] <Trel> My question a couple of hours ago was NOT about what I'm asking now.
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3259[20:21:16] <themill> Trel: please stop, this really isn't helping. In future, please just give some context so people can give accurate answers and not have to second guess things.
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3294[20:33:20] <Hanumaan> was trying to upgrade postgresql from 9.5 to 9.6 got this error : replaced-url
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3296[20:33:37] <greycat> Debian never had 9.5 in a stable release AFAIK
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3298[20:34:00] <greycat> ,v postgresql
3299[20:34:01] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 9.6+184; sid: 9.6+184
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3303[20:37:08] <Hanumaan> greycat, sorry it is in ubuntu 16.04
3304[20:37:19] <greycat> Then go awk #ubuntu
3305[20:37:21] <greycat> ask
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3334[20:52:39] <bytesquid> Hey! Any suggestions on figuring out why my laptop is running so hot? (I've looked at CPU usage and powertop, though I'm not sure I understand the latter aside from tunables)
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3338[20:53:09] <pressword> hi
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3340[20:53:16] <teraflops> bytesquid: many
3341[20:53:24] <pressword> So it is good to let the cron job logs being emailed to oneself/admin?
3342[20:54:08] <greycat> Obviously, yes.
3343[20:54:16] <teraflops> pressword: depending on the job, it could make sense
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3349[20:56:09] <bytesquid> I haven't added any custom cron jobs on this computer, and I don't have any mail from cron jobs failing
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3351[20:56:56] <greycat> ... do you want some?
3352[20:56:59] <teraflops> bytesquid: type mail
3353[20:57:17] <greycat> And yes, have you already checked that mail is locally deliverable to you?
3354[20:57:20] <bytesquid> teraflops, I know, I don't have any mail
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3356[20:58:12] <bytesquid> `echo "test" | mail -s TEST bytesquid; mail` shows the test mail went through
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3359[20:58:42] <greycat> Well then if you want some email from cron, add a job that does 'echo hello there' every hour or so.
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3364[20:59:39] <bytesquid> I don't want mail from cron?
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3366[20:59:48] <greycat> Then what are you asking us?
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3368[21:00:11] <bytesquid> I'd like suggestions on why my laptop is running so hot, if you have any
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3371[21:00:53] <greycat> Oh, you confused me by responding in some bizarre way to pressword's question.
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3373[21:01:37] <bytesquid> Oh, I was confused, I thought pressword was trying to debug my problem somehow lol
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3375[21:01:57] <bytesquid> Ok sorry about that
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3380[21:03:06] <Agiofws> hi
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3385[21:04:37] <hmpl_128> hey there
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3388[21:05:14] <Agiofws> if i have let the whole OS from debians net install install on /dev/sdh1 * 2048 30308351 30306304 14.5G 83 Linux how can i be sure that grub did not destroy the first bytes or of the usb stick when i installed grub onto it?
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3390[21:05:42] <teraflops> bytesquid: yeah but you can provide more info
3391[21:05:46] <Agiofws> logically there was no mbr when i choose to install it
3392[21:05:57] <Agiofws> is there a way to boot the stick?
3393[21:05:59] <teraflops> as in: what's the cpu usage
3394[21:06:03] <carmelo11> Hi, after the command # cp debian.iso /dev/sdb been executed, the following message appears on gparted: the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes
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3396[21:06:20] <teraflops> are you using the GPU for something?
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3400[21:06:59] <hmpl_128> "the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes" that doesn't mean that something went bad
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3402[21:07:01] <teraflops> is the laptop getting fans covered someway?
3403[21:07:03] <teraflops> and so on
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