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15[00:12:14] <luxio> How do I check whether or not a user has a
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79[00:44:34] <buu> ok
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81[00:45:24] <buu> I have a barebones debian install. I boot
the system, get the bios screen, get the grub screen, load debian
get a few lines of log output then the monitor says "no
signal" and turns itself off
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82[00:45:32] <buu> I am perplexed
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84[00:46:32] <budder> anyone have experience using PIA vpn with
debian? I am having trouble figuring out how to connect
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87[00:47:22] <mtn> buu: did you install the video driver? xorg?
a desktop?
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95[00:50:48] <buu> mtn: no xorg
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98[00:51:22] <mtn> buu: video driver?
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100[00:51:38] <buu> not sure at this point!
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101[00:52:08] <mtn> buu: you could try booting with nomodeset
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103[00:54:08] <buu> hmmm
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147[01:18:22] <dunderproto> Is there Chinese support in any of
the live DVDs?
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149[01:19:02] <dunderproto> I'm testing out the XFCE live
DVD but couldn't find Chinese support on it
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157[01:21:42] <rue_house> when I use the dpkg option to just
unpack a deb, where does it put it?
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158[01:22:15] <b0urne> dunderproto: English is not that hard.
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162[01:24:36] <dunderproto> b0urne: It's not for me but for
a friend
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165[01:25:36] <LiuYan> dunderproto: maybe install chinese
language support after booted? or make a live cd image with chinese
language support ?
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166[01:25:43] <dunderproto> I wanted to give her something
easy-to-use to test out, and a bad impression can scare her away
permanently
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171[01:32:18] <dunderproto> LiuYan: OK, maybe I will do that.
Thanks.
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180[01:39:55] <rue_house> does anyone know how to fix chromium
ffmpeg on stable?
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182[01:40:17] <rue_house> there are ubuntu packages everywhere,
but cant see any debian packages to fix it
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199[01:53:51] <rue_house> so, no sound for chromium via debian
package
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200[01:53:52] <rue_house> ok
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202[01:55:12] <bazhang> ,v ffmpeg
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203[01:55:13] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy:
6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.20-0+deb7u1; jessie-backports:
7:3.2.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 7:3.2.4-1; stretch: 7:3.2.4-1;
wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 10:3.2.4-dmo3
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205[01:55:29] <bazhang> why did you think ffmpeg was in a
browser
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206[01:55:46] <rue_house> you dont know about chromium and the
broken sound problems?
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208[01:56:02] <rue_house> google debian chromium sound problem
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210[01:56:04] <rue_house> LOTS of hits
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211[01:56:34] <bazhang> ffmpeg is not the solution to sound
issues
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213[01:56:59] <rue_house> basically, debain wont let chromium
have sound, casue they did it via a copy of the ffmpeg code, which
is agianst rules
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214[01:57:06] <bazhang> perhaps you meant something with
youtube/pulseaudio
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215[01:57:11] <rue_house> it looks like the developer isn't
intrested in other methods
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216[01:57:23] <rue_house> so no sound with chromium
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217[01:57:36] <bazhang> thats not the issue
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218[01:57:52] <rue_house> of course not, who the hell needs
sound on a web browser?
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219[01:57:53] <bazhang> are you aware what ffmpeg does
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222[01:58:17] <rue_house> ffmpeg is an encoder/decoder library
for just about everything
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224[01:58:46] <rue_house> I needed to start the online training
course 5 hours ago tho, so, this is not becomming my largest issue
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226[01:59:55] <bazhang> well looking for ffmpeg via browser
sound is barking up the wrong tree
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227[02:00:25] <rue_house> ok, what are you saying is the issue,
sound works fine for everything else on my machine
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228[02:00:41] <rue_house> chromeium cant play a peep
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232[02:01:30] <rue_house> and if you google it, you find lots of
ubuntu pacakges to fix it on ubuntu
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233[02:01:54] <rue_house> and its all with a ffmpeg library
package
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243[02:05:30] <rue_house> I think I'm gonna have to start
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257[02:14:57] <plasmoduck> Debian isn't broken, you just
have to use it properly. But feel free to use Ubuntu is you want to
be spyed on by Canonical.
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258[02:15:20] <plasmoduck> Oh, he's gone.
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260[02:16:22] <econdudeawesome> Hi all. I'm having trouble
getting MOC to launch. I run in debug mode and it just hangs
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261[02:16:46] <econdudeawesome> I start it, but it crashes
immediately. I'm still pretty newb to ncurses and all,
wondering how I can go about digging into the issue? When I run the
debug command it just hangs
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262[02:17:16] <plasmoduck> esainane: does it run as root?
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263[02:17:37] <esainane> Wrong nick, mate :)
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265[02:19:24] <plasmoduck> sorry
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267[02:19:33] <plasmoduck> econdudeawesome: does itr run as
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269[02:22:49] <econdudeawesome> plasmoduck: yes
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270[02:22:55] <econdudeawesome> hadn't tried that before
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274[02:25:01] <plasmoduck> Okay, so we are getting somewhere.
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275[02:25:13] <plasmoduck> Try again as normal user now.
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276[02:25:24] <econdudeawesome> any thoughts on how to get it
working with non-root then? Looking at this, doesn't appear to
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278[02:26:45] <plasmoduck> econdudeawesome: does it sound like
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279[02:26:46] <judd> Bug
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282[02:28:33] <econdudeawesome> Weird. Where to take it from
here?
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287[02:31:52] <plasmoduck> econdudeawesome: you have to options.
1. Wait for the package to be updated and bug fixed. Or 2. Uninstall
and download the latest source code and build it to see if that
works. Good luck.
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288[02:34:24] <econdudeawesome>
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289[02:34:25] <judd> Bug
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290[02:35:01] <econdudeawesome> testing now to see if it will
play files. But it opened the MC-like interface
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291[02:35:37] <econdudeawesome> Music appears to work. Perhaps
there is an encoding error with ID3 tags--but this works around the
issue. Thanks!
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352[03:16:56] <nem> Is sendmail fixed yet?
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359[03:19:33] <themill> is sendmail fixable?
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364[03:23:01] <A|an> Yesterday my Gnome Classic locked up and
I'm stuck in a tty session...
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365[03:23:04] <A|an>
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369[03:24:17] <A|an> I'm thinking about jumping ship to
KDE's Plasma desktop...
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371[03:24:47] <nem> KDE is awesome
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373[03:25:42] <A|an> Thing is, I need this machine fully
functional as soon as possible...
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376[03:26:22] <nem> apt-get install truth
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379[03:27:20] <A|an> I don't want to dork up anything by
trying to reinstall Gnome (whack my mail, for instance)
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382[03:28:11] <A|an> (God, I'm having to peck this out on
my 'droid tablet!)
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385[03:29:06] <A|an> Any thoughts on a solution? I uploaded an
xsession-errors file-portion
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387[03:29:15] <A|an>
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389[03:29:42] <A|an> nem: truth?
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390[03:29:58] <nem> Its sort of an inside long standing joke...
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391[03:30:05] <themill> A|an: the Xorg log is more likely to be
informative
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392[03:30:08] <nem> Google: apt-get install truth
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393[03:31:20] <A|an> themill: okay
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407[03:37:36] <A|an> themill: where's Xorg locatec?
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411[03:41:25] <th_> xorg log is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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414[03:42:52] <A|an> It doesn't really provide any insight,
that I can make out
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415[03:43:35] <th_> or look in
/var/lib/gdm3/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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417[03:44:13] <A|an> I found it under /var
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419[03:45:18] <A|an> What a mess! Would simply reinstalling
Gnome work?
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420[03:45:20] <th_> the other location might have more logging
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421[03:45:40] <A|an> Ic
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422[03:45:48] <th_> yea u can try that, or dpkg-reconfigure
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423[03:46:45] <A|an> Gdm3 isn't there
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424[03:47:11] <th_> what debian are you on?
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430[03:48:57] <A|an> when your gui freezes, is it typically the
desktop or X?
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435[03:53:10] <th_> lol it could be X, graphics drivers, bad
memory, bad hard drive, loose cables, who knows
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441[03:54:20] <A|an> well, at least it's narrowed down
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443[03:55:12] <A|an> i'm running a mini-itx...everyrhing is
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447[03:55:35] <th_> so gnome never loads, just straight console?
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448[03:55:43] <A|an> Yep
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450[03:56:24] <A|an> And i can run startx, but it just opens a b
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451[03:56:42] <sir123> On packages.debian.org, can I get a list
of all the packages listed "important" or
"critical"? I'm trying to figure out the core
packages installed on a Debian system
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452[03:56:55] <A|an> an empty blue screen, with a mouse cursor
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453[03:57:40] <th_> reinstall gnome
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454[03:57:44] <A|an> I have to alt-sysrq-r to get outta it
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455[03:57:55] <A|an> Yeah
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457[03:58:07] <A|an> What the hell
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458[03:58:29] <A|an> Okay...are you using kde plasma?
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462[04:00:05] <th_> another thing that can cause it is
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463[04:01:43] <AlexLikeRock> GMD3 sometimes, drop screen with
flat color
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464[04:01:49] <A|an> oh, that was nem....no,i haven't
installed any vid drivers
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465[04:02:20] <AlexLikeRock> if you have GDM3 , change to other
lightDM , slim , Xdm , etc
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467[04:03:30] <A|an> I was using gnome classic...which is
probably my problem, right there
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470[04:04:06] <A|an> i'll reinstall and see if that works
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471[04:04:18] <AlexLikeRock> very good A|an
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472[04:04:23] <AlexLikeRock> :-)
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485[04:14:46] <A|an> Well...simple solution...had me damn well
going, though
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491[04:17:15] <AlexLikeRock> its reccomend isntall both DESKTOPs
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494[04:19:13] <A|an> do you mean gnome AND KDE?
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495[04:19:30] <A|an> or gnome and a second desktop?
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496[04:19:38] <plasm0duck> Install mate desktop
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500[04:19:53] <AlexLikeRock> yes A|an
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501[04:20:06] <AlexLikeRock> kde, gnome, mate , etc, etc
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502[04:20:16] <AlexLikeRock> what ever you "love" ;-)
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503[04:20:32] <A|an> for whatever reason, I thought doing so
would clutter up things needlessly
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504[04:20:33] <AlexLikeRock> i like mate too, its so ligth
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505[04:21:02] <A|an> i noticed mate last night, when i was
searching for another desktop
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506[04:21:25] <A|an> yes, a light-wt backup desktop
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507[04:21:36] <A|an> that would be a good idea
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508[04:22:29] <AlexLikeRock> yes, yhis a big difference of
Window$
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510[04:22:40] <AlexLikeRock> if broke one, you can run the other
;-)
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511[04:23:12] <plasmoduck> This is how my mate desktop looks
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514[04:23:53] <AlexLikeRock> A|an,
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517[04:24:54] <A|an> what about Pantheon? any experience with
it?
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518[04:24:55] <plasmoduck> It's a little like Apple MacOS
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519[04:25:09] <plasmoduck> It's alright... but nah
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520[04:25:22] <plasmoduck> I prefer just mate
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521[04:25:38] <A|an> remind me: is it okay to paste links?
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522[04:25:43] <plasmoduck> Pantheon is too young and buggy
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523[04:25:46] <plasmoduck> yes
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524[04:25:49] <A|an>
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525[04:25:57] <A|an> i was picking through that last night
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527[04:26:08] <A|an> mate was well thought of, in the write up
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529[04:26:30] <A|an> it's like he concludes, though, sooo
many choices
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530[04:27:06] <A|an> yeah, mate looks good
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531[04:27:16] <A|an> think i'll install it
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541[04:35:55] <plasmoduck> A|an: did you look at the link I
posted of my desktop?
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542[04:36:05] <plasmoduck> That dock at the bottom is cairo-dock
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543[04:36:18] <A|an> no...just a sec
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544[04:36:26] <plasmoduck>
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545[04:37:03] <A|an> that's nice
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546[04:37:05] <A|an> definitely
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547[04:37:09] <A|an> uncluttered
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548[04:37:17] <plasmoduck> yup
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549[04:37:35] <A|an> yeah, i'm going to install mate
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550[04:37:53] <plasm0duck> nice choice
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552[04:38:38] <A|an> well, this little escapade was a lesson...I
was thinking that it would've nice to have a secondary desktop
available
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554[04:39:12] <A|an> my gnome installation has been acting
squirrely for a while, though
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555[04:39:24] <A|an> freezing
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558[04:39:56] <A|an> been threatening to do something about
it... and got caught
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559[04:40:00] <A|an> per ususal
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563[04:42:19] <A|an> plasm0duck: is that the standard
install...you didn't customize it?
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580[04:48:04] <plasmoduck> A|an: I installed that icon dock you
can see at the bottom called cairo-dock
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581[04:48:13] <plasmoduck> and I installed a different theme
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582[04:48:16] <plasmoduck> thats about it
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584[04:48:31] <plasmoduck> icon and window theme
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586[04:49:54] <LinuxAdventure> Is it better to run a distro in
Virtual Box or in dual boot setup?
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589[04:54:01] <AlexLikeRock> dual boot , for me LinuxAdventure
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590[04:54:18] <AlexLikeRock> some programs make SLOW virtual Box
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591[04:54:30] <LinuxAdventure> ok
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592[04:55:10] <LinuxAdventure> is Solus based on Debian?
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593[04:55:28] <AlexLikeRock> but, some times, just need to
somting FASTER like "open a Document a MS office"
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594[04:55:44] <Digz> LinuxAdventure, it depends on what you
expect to use mostly as your main OS..... if you run Windows and run
Linux programs only on occasion, Virtualization may be the way to
go. Personally, I am not a fan of dual booting, especially with ntfs
and ext4 partitions on the same computer....
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595[04:55:53] <AlexLikeRock> this case need a virtual box, and
you avoid RESTART aLL sistem LinuxAdventure
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596[04:57:32] <LinuxAdventure> yes. I agree. I have heard that
opening Linux system files on Windows can mess up the Linux OS.
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598[04:57:49] <Digz> My setup is 2 computers, one Windows 10
workstation, and one ESXi server - both have 32 GB ram. The server
runs 2 Debian servers, 1 appliance (which under the hood is also
debian) and 1 Windows Server 2016. - I just use that.
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602[04:59:31] <Digz> LinuxAdventure, it should be ok if you
leave things alone.... and you let windows fix any ntfs problems,
and let linux fix any ext4 problems.... its when you let one OS try
to mess with the file system of the other OS you get in trouble.
Although debian can work with NTFS pefectly fine in 99% of case, in
the cases where the NTFS volume has problems, trying to fix it from
linux may just make those problems bigger.... but that's
personal experience.
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604[05:00:11] <Digz> That said Debian has been my fav distro
since I first ran version 3.0 :)
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610[05:01:49] <AlexLikeRock> Digz, mee too, well, i love debian,
but i hate SystemD , thats why i change to DEVUAN
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611[05:01:51] <AlexLikeRock> :-D
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612[05:03:56] <Digz> devuan? Hey. Had not seen that fork
before..... Looks cool. Although I am wondering if the massive
selection of linux distros really needs yaf. (yet another fork).
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614[05:04:25] <AlexLikeRock> devuan , mean FREEDOM + Debian
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615[05:04:44] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD are Repression
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616[05:06:13] <Rusty1_> !offtopic
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617[05:06:13] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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618[05:07:05] <plasmoduck> !idle
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619[05:07:05] <dpkg> Idle is a general term referring to a lack
of motion or energy. For the Linux CPU subsystem, ask me about
<cpuidle>.
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621[05:07:19] <plasmoduck> the room is idle anyways
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622[05:07:32] <plasmoduck> When busy, please keep on topic.
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627[05:10:08] <plasmoduck> Best way is to have 2 physical hard
disks, install Linux on one and Windows on the other and add them to
Grub.
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631[05:12:49] <LinuxAdventure> ok.
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632[05:13:36] <LinuxAdventure> what advantage does Debian have
over some other distros like Fedora, Solus, Arch etc.
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633[05:13:45] <plasmoduck> Best performance and best security
that way.
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634[05:13:57] <LinuxAdventure> they have different package
management.
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635[05:14:02] <LinuxAdventure> isn't it?
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636[05:14:28] <LinuxAdventure> which is better .deb or rpm or
aur?
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638[05:14:57] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure: Debian is very stable
because all the software versions are a little older then you would
find in other distros but it is tested very well and most bugs are
ironed out. Also the package mangement is very good.
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639[05:15:28] <plasmoduck> There is no better, think of it like
Coke & Pepsi or Coffee and Tea, user preference.
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640[05:15:30] <Digz> LinuxAdventure, they are all built around
the same kernel and basic infrastructure, but yes among others
debian uses a different package management than e.g. fedora or
centos. It isn't that one is better than the other really, but
Debian is one of the most stable releases out there.
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641[05:16:18] <LinuxAdventure> ok. shall I go for Debian or a
Debian derivative like MX Linux or Sparky?
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642[05:16:21] <plasmoduck> !debian
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643[05:16:21] <dpkg> well, debian is
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644[05:16:26] <Digz> LinuxAdventure, if you are looking at a
linux experience for the desktop, I like Linux Mint. It is based on
Debian (well, based on Ubuntu, really) and is aimed to be a bit more
friendly to beginning users.
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645[05:16:58] <LinuxAdventure> because those have been
constructed really well.
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647[05:17:17] <LinuxAdventure> Have all the packages that a new
user would need.
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648[05:18:04] <plasmoduck> If you use Ubuntu or any of it's
derivitaves your search data is sent to Canonical servers which
means they can spy on your search and browsing habits. They sell
your metadata to Amazon which in turn displays ads based on your
search history.
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649[05:18:47] <LinuxAdventure> ok. That is somewhat disturbing.
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650[05:19:01] <LinuxAdventure> But Mint is based on Ubuntu. Is
it not?
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652[05:19:20] <plasmoduck> Richard Stallman explains it here
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653[05:19:33] <LinuxAdventure> and I have heard there were some
security issues with Mint.
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654[05:19:37] <plasmoduck> Good video to watch ^
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655[05:19:38] <LinuxAdventure> It was hacked.
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656[05:19:40] <Digz> the level of disturbancy depends on what
you actually search for. ;) personally, it doesn't really
bother me, but that is just me.
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657[05:19:59] <AlexLikeRock> yes, ubuntu have virus SPY
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658[05:20:08] <LinuxAdventure> Is Mint secure?
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659[05:20:14] <plasm0duck> No
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660[05:20:34] <plasm0duck> Go with Debian, ity's more pure
and just build your system from the ground up.
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661[05:20:37] <LinuxAdventure> could anybody elaborate on why
Mint is not secure?
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662[05:20:54] <plasmoduck> But watch this video, it doesn't
go for long but you will be surprised!
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663[05:21:09] <LinuxAdventure> How is Sparky linux? or MX Linux?
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664[05:21:18] <somiaj> LinuxAdventure: this really isn't a
channel to talk about mint or other debian derivatives. As for
mint's security, you should ask mint support about their
security support and auditing
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665[05:21:40] <AlexLikeRock> yes , that i talk about ... FREEDOM
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666[05:21:44] <somiaj> we should try to stick to debian support
here. ##linux may be a preferable place to discuss differences among
distros.
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667[05:21:55] <AlexLikeRock> non-free pakages
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668[05:22:08] <AlexLikeRock> SYSTEMD are NON FREE
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669[05:22:34] <LinuxAdventure> yes. But, they will always say
that Mint is secure and stable. As a newbie who doesn't have
any technical knowledge about Linux I can't be sure about many
such things.
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671[05:23:07] <somiaj> LinuxAdventure: and why would you be more
secure in debian people sayind debian is secure.
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672[05:23:33] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: please keep on topic, this
isn't the place to rant about systemd.
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673[05:23:45] <AlexLikeRock> not so much somiaj , SYSTEMD its
not secure
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674[05:24:38] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: enough. If you know of a
security issue that is not already in the debian security tracker
report it. But this is not the place for that.
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677[05:25:12] <AlexLikeRock> repression >:-(
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678[05:25:17] <AlexLikeRock> fine somiaj
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679[05:25:48] <somiaj> LinuxAdventure: Each distro has their own
policy of how they handel things, software they use, and so forth.
That is the big thing you get when choosing a distro. Debian tries
open and has a very clear policy on what software gets put into
debian main and how packages and security are managed. You can find
various info for this starting at debian.org
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681[05:26:47] <AlexLikeRock>
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682[05:26:52] <AlexLikeRock> ON-TOPIC
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683[05:26:57] <somiaj> AlexLikeRock: it is just noise and does
nothing in helping support users with Debian. You of course can
choose to either use debian or not, or use debian without systemd as
the init system.
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684[05:27:38] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj, , yes , ok , fine
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696[05:37:58] <LinuxAdventure> But, I face some problem in using
Debian Jessie live usb.
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699[05:38:33] <LinuxAdventure> Please do something to make
Debian live usb workable on modern laptops.
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703[05:41:18] <AlexLikeRock> its alot job with GRUB Vs UEFI ,
LinuxAdventure
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706[05:41:52] <AlexLikeRock> its sooo hard , then LILO drop the
tale
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707[05:42:18] <LinuxAdventure> ok. Does it mean, Debian stable
is not compatible with modern computers?
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708[05:42:21] <AlexLikeRock> towel ***
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709[05:42:49] <AlexLikeRock> the big problem are SECURE BOOT and
UEFI
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710[05:42:55] <LinuxAdventure> I liked Debian a lot, but despite
trying everything I could not make Debian Stable live usb work on my
new laptop.
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711[05:42:56] <plasmoduck> Not at all
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713[05:43:23] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure: Debian Linux USB
works fine on all my systems.
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714[05:43:42] <Epakai> !does not work
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715[05:43:42] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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716[05:43:49] <LinuxAdventure> It didn't get detected
during boot up.
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717[05:44:13] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure: You probably
didn't write the image to usb correctly. How did you do it?
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718[05:44:27] <plasmoduck> Did you write it to the drive and not
the patition?
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720[05:44:35] <LinuxAdventure> I tried every method of creating
a live usb.
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721[05:44:45] <plasmoduck> e.g /dev/sdc and not /dev/sdc1
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722[05:44:50] <LinuxAdventure> It just doesn't get detected
during boot up
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723[05:45:09] <plasmoduck> Care to try again? I can walk you
thought the steps if you like?
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724[05:45:27] <LinuxAdventure> with the same methods, I created
live usb of other distros. And they work fine.
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726[05:45:49] <LinuxAdventure> I have tried many distros on live
usbs.
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727[05:45:57] <plasmoduck> Could be a corrupt image, did you
verify the md5 checksum?
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729[05:46:27] <LinuxAdventure> strangely it is only Debian
Stable or stable based distros like MX Linux that have this problem
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730[05:46:47] <LinuxAdventure> Debian testing based distros like
Sparky linux don't have this problem
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731[05:47:10] <LinuxAdventure> I verify the integrity of files
everytime.
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733[05:47:49] <LinuxAdventure>
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734[05:47:58] <LinuxAdventure> I downloaded from this link.
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736[05:49:06] <LinuxAdventure> and Debian live usb of 32 bit
edition didn't have this problem on my old 32 bit laptop.
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737[05:49:21] <Epakai> what tool did you use to write the image?
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738[05:49:25] <plasmoduck> Maybe it's time for a new
laptop.
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739[05:49:32] <LinuxAdventure> I did explain this issue before
on this channel
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740[05:49:35] <plasmoduck> Could be the hardware
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741[05:50:30] <LinuxAdventure> yes. I have a brand new laptop on
which I tried to boot the live usb of 64 bit version of Debian
Jessie. It didn't get detected.
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742[05:50:52] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure:
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744[05:51:08] <plasmoduck> try again, using dd to write the
image
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745[05:51:32] <userro> how often does the iso file get updated?
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746[05:51:37] <userro> approximately
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747[05:52:02] <LinuxAdventure> I did try dd also.
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749[05:52:10] <plasmoduck> Aprox very 2 months?
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750[05:52:26] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure: try again, ill get it
working with you.
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751[05:52:36] <userro> oh ok thanks
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752[05:52:37] <LinuxAdventure> As I said there is nothing wrong
with the method of creating the live usb or the pendrive and laptop
I am using now.
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753[05:53:06] <LinuxAdventure> ok. let me download the image
first.
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754[05:53:10] <plasmoduck> LinuxAdventure: Obviously there is,
because it works for the other 90% of the popuilation.
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756[05:53:32] <somiaj> LinuxAdventure: Debian's live cds
are fairly basic, you will get a far better experience with an
actual debian install.
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757[05:53:45] <plasmoduck> So you are clearly doing something
wrong.
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758[05:54:14] <somiaj> one is they only support legacy boot, so
if you have efi boot configured and legacy disabled they won't
boot. Second is they do have an older kernel. Bleeding edge hardware
will have trouble with the 3.16 kernel.
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760[05:54:29] <LinuxAdventure> somiaj, ok. So, should I go for
installer images instead of live images?
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763[05:54:47] <LinuxAdventure> I'll try that too.
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765[05:55:18] <somiaj> the install images will support efi boot,
if it is due to the age of the kernel, the installer images still
use 3.16
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766[05:55:46] <LinuxAdventure> Ok. I got it.
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767[05:55:47] <somiaj> stretch is now frozen and is on the way
to be the next release, newer laptops may benifit from the stretch
installer, though there won't be security support for stretch
until the release.
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769[05:56:16] <LinuxAdventure> when is Stretch going to be
released?
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770[05:56:27] <somiaj> my guess is this summer
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771[05:56:38] <somiaj> so 3-6 months or so
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772[05:56:54] <LinuxAdventure> yes. exactly. It could be due to
that older kernel.
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774[05:57:41] <LinuxAdventure> Because, it is only Debian Stable
or some Stable based distro like MX Linux that I am experiencing
this problem with.
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775[05:58:19] <somiaj> most the time one can still install on
the 3.16 kernel, it is just gpu, wifi or some preferial that needs a
newer kernel. Jessie has newer kernels in jessie-backports, so in
this light an install is better than a live system as you can change
the kernel to get the gpu or other parts to work.
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776[05:58:22] <LinuxAdventure> Sparky linux, which is a testing
based distro doesn't have this issue.
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777[05:58:46] <somiaj> so if the 3.16 kernel works enough to
install, you can run a newer kernel with jessie for the newer
hardware suuport.
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778[05:58:52] <LinuxAdventure> Ok. I'll wait till the next
stable release.
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779[05:59:33] <somiaj> you can test it now, it is frozen, so it
is actually quite close to what the release will be, there are just
some rc bugs that need to be dealt with.
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781[05:59:47] <LinuxAdventure> ok.
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782[05:59:50] <somiaj> there is even an installer out there you
can use with the 4.9 kernel on it which will be released with
stretch
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783[06:00:03] <LinuxAdventure> ok
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784[06:00:09] <somiaj> the biggest disavantage to stretch
(provided you don't hit one of the rc bugs) is security support
isn't as timely as stable.
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785[06:00:27] <LinuxAdventure> I'll download it and test
it.
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790[06:01:47] <userro> I just tried to boot live cd but it
didn't work. I also have old kernel.
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791[06:02:00] <LinuxAdventure> thanks guys. Will come back
later.
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795[06:03:52] <somiaj> userro: how did you create the live
cd/usb medium you are booting off of, did you configure your system
for legacy boot?
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797[06:04:30] <userro> I just downloaded the iso file and used
qemu
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802[06:05:42] <userro> when I click something, it will freeze
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803[06:06:15] <userro> when it shows the options to boot at
first
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804[06:06:34] <userro> cursor will disappear
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807[06:07:52] <userro> yesterday I tried amd64 version and today
I tried i386 version
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808[06:07:56] <userro> both failed
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813[06:12:51] <somiaj> userro: got it to work here, I had to
specify the ramsize otherwise it gavem me kernel panics
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838[06:33:03] <veek> how do i run two X servers using systemd..
i've setup the service and they start but it's one or the
other not both..
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839[06:33:11] <veek> i'm using: /bin/su - root -c
/usr/bin/xinit /root/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :1 VT2 -nolisten tcp
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840[06:33:38] <veek> and /bin/su - mummy -c '/usr/bin/xinit
/home/mummy/.xinitrc -- /usr/bin/X :0 -nolisten tcp'
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841[06:35:27] <veek> i get Server is already active for display
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843[06:37:25] <somiaj> veek: could it be the default display
manager is already running a server on display 0?
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844[06:37:43] <somiaj> I also woudln't suggest running an
xserver as root
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845[06:37:54] <veek> somiaj, ah nope.. i have no display manager
- custom install
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847[06:38:53] <veek> somiaj, should be safe with nolisten ?
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848[06:39:05] <veek> i su - veek browser etc
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849[06:39:18] <somiaj> are you positive your syntax is correct?
I don't know the syntax for running X directly, I usually use
startx as a wraper
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851[06:39:40] <veek> well one of them starts..
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852[06:39:51] <somiaj> but if you say only run one of those,
does it run a server on display 0 each time, in this case it is just
the syntax specifiying the display isn't correct
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853[06:41:16] <veek> hmm let me check.. i'll change it to 1
and 2
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854[06:41:55] <veek> export DISPLAY=:0; xclock works so i know 0
is working but that could be default
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858[06:43:01] <somiaj> yea if it is running on 0 no matter what
you set, something is not parsing in the syntax
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859[06:43:06] <somiaj> I can't say what though
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867[06:46:32] <veek> yay working great
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868[06:47:11] <veek> :2 vt2 and :1 vt1
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869[06:47:37] <veek> thanks somiaj
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876[06:51:43] <nomade> Am I missing something? The LiveCD has
sshd running, no fail2ban, a standard user pw and sudo rights?
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877[06:52:14] <nomade> how irresponsible is that exactly?
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878[06:54:10] <somiaj> which livecd? I didn't think sshd
was running by default.
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880[06:55:17] <nomade> stable I guess
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882[06:56:22] <nomade> it used to be that the openssh apt
package would autostart sshd too
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884[06:57:14] <somiaj> well sshd will be autostarted when the
server is installed. I can confirm the sshd server is running on the
live image. I agree that this maybe isn't needed for a live
image.
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886[06:58:00] <somiaj> wonder what psudeo package you could
report a bug to the live team for this, maybe they can disable the
ssh server or just not install the openssh-server package on the
live images.
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887[06:58:30] <nomade> needed? how could opening all ports and
inviting attackers to rape my shit be possibly needed
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889[06:58:56] <nomade> thats not even the question
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891[06:59:55] <nomade> yeah, im wondering how to report that
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894[07:00:47] <somiaj> as I said you can report a bug. I agreed
that the live system probably shouldn't be running sshd. Not
sure the best package. You could report it against the debian-live
psudopackage, that will at least get to the debian live team.
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898[07:01:18] <somiaj> debian-live — General problems with
Debian Live systems -- yea that appears to be the correct package to
report a bug against.
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899[07:01:34] <nomade> ok thank you
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901[07:02:33] <somiaj> It appears the live systems are
installing task-ssh-server which is why the package is there.
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902[07:03:42] <somiaj> hmm it appears that
PasswordAuthentication no is set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config so it may
not be an issue.
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903[07:04:19] <nomade> thats a relieve
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904[07:04:22] <somiaj> just tested, users won't be able to
ssh in without a key
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906[07:04:34] <somiaj> and you will have to generate keys for
this, I doubt there is any default keys already built
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907[07:05:04] <somiaj> I'm not seeing any keys on the live
system, so in effect the server is running but cannot be logged
into.
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909[07:05:10] <somiaj> unless you add a key for a user
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912[07:06:42] <nomade> ok, pls excuse my language and thank you
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915[07:07:40] <nomade> it used to be though that wasnt the case
in the previous non-live release
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920[07:08:34] <nomade> seeing random login attempts was a pretty
big surprise then
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922[07:09:18] <somiaj> yea I'm surprised it is running, but
it looks like they have taken percautions to keep it secure
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923[07:09:36] <somiaj> might make using persistance with a self
made key easier.
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927[07:11:47] <nomade> I wonder how, but I don't need it
anyway. was just testing why the sound in my hdd install is broken
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928[07:11:50] <nomade> its not the card
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929[07:13:24] <nomade> i suspect vlc messed something up,
because it started to always hang up trying to play the second file
in queue
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930[07:13:25] <somiaj> so works fine in the live image? Are you
running a different kernel?
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931[07:13:36] <nomade> yes, testing
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933[07:14:09] <somiaj> have you checked the card is detected the
same by looking at the output of dmesg?
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1017[08:06:39] <bibble> ok to install gcc 5.1 this way ?
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1018[08:06:53] <bibble> testing repo
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1024[08:09:20] <userro> nope
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1025[08:09:32] <userro> it won't work anymore
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1028[08:10:24] <userro> do you want exactly 5.1 version?
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1030[08:10:48] <bibble> userro: oh ;_; need 5.1+ to compile an
app
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1032[08:10:59] <bibble> for c++11 support
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1033[08:11:45] <userro> ok
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1036[08:12:42] <userro> I think you need to use
'stretch' instead of 'testing' then
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1038[08:13:04] <bibble> will try. thanks.
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1039[08:14:09] <userro> just replace testing with stretch
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1040[08:14:48] <userro> wait
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1041[08:15:08] <userro> I tried it and broke my system
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1042[08:15:12] <userro> lol
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1043[08:15:26] <userro> I just remembered
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1046[08:16:34] <userro> so be careful
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1047[08:17:22] <bibble> ah, ok :)
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1048[08:17:26] <userro> it's better to fully upgrade to
stretch
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1049[08:17:52] <userro> instead of single package
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1051[08:18:39] <userro> you can probably avoid dependency error
that way
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1081[08:33:37] <cef> Any suggestions for getting intel HD 630
graphics running with actual accelerated 3D? I've tried
instlaling the latest xorg intel drivers from backports, plus the
intel-microcode pkg.. 3D still seems horribly slow.
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1088[08:37:32] <TimurTheLame> cef, um. Maybe try setting the
intel driver to DRI3 if it's not already enabled?
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1096[08:39:09] <TimurTheLame> cef, first check if it's not
already enabled with "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep DRI"
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1106[08:43:37] <rdococ> One of my documents has become, as the
file type says, "differences between files", and the icon
has a bandage on it...?
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1117[08:49:27] <cef> TimurTheLame: ta.. I'll have a poke..
but looks like it's not even loading a driver. `inxi -G` is
showing only Gallium is being used for GLX
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DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0 <-- SW GL
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1149[09:01:42] <m00n> I'm having some trouble with a new
debian install ive been setting up. With nvidia drivers, of course.
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1153[09:03:22] <m00n> Graphics work fine with nouveau but I have
an SLI and I'd like to get the power out of it that it can put
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1154[09:03:58] <wam> How would you open a service (TCP) like an
intranet only to authenticated computers? SSH tunnel, OpenVPN,
Firewall are obvious, but is there sth simple yet compatible w/
windows, android, apple and linux which I'm overseeing?
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1155[09:04:11] <m00n> When I go to install the jessie-backports
nvidia-driver package, everything seems to work, but on reboot x
doesnt start properly
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1157[09:04:43] <m00n> wam, ssh is compatible with those,
depending on what you need
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1158[09:05:09] <wam> m00n: of course, but tunnelling via SSH is a
pain for management ppl in windows.
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1159[09:05:20] <m00n> yeahh i feel
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1160[09:05:44] <m00n> i mean, putty does it alright though, with
pageant and the profile setup
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1161[09:05:53] <wam> but you know… ;)
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1164[09:06:21] <wam> I was thinking about NTLM in apache, but our
networks are not connected.
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1168[09:07:31] <m00n> wam could you dedicate a machine on each
network to create a vlan or something?
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1169[09:08:11] <wam> m00n: Ah, good idea, however, it's not
that simple. They want to connect on the road too while their
company network is down. This is more or less a backup system in
case of fire.
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1171[09:09:03] <wam> I was hoping for an app that exists on all
operating systems which makes ssh tunnelling in one click available
or a *very* simple VPN solution, however, I don't need a VPN. I
just need an authorization gateway more or less.
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1181[09:16:12] <sysadmin> Hello... Debian is frustrating me. I
set up my two NICS in /etc/network/interfaces but WICD takes ofer
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1182[09:16:30] <sysadmin> how do I obliterate this damn WICD from
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1183[09:17:29] <bazhang> sysadmin, did you remove network manager
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1189[09:18:39] <bibble> where's the checksum to verify
netinstall iso ?
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1191[09:18:49] <bibble> for testing
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1192[09:19:35] <sysadmin> bazhang: apt-get remove network-manager
says that's all already uninstalled :(
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1198[09:20:36] <bazhang> sysadmin, if memory serves, installing
wicd does that
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1200[09:20:38] <themill> bibble: in the same directory as the iso
image
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1201[09:20:48] <sysadmin> oh
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1203[09:21:02] <themill> !verify iso image
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1204[09:21:02] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the
installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes
with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and
SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get
install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg
--keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify
SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
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1210[09:24:26] <bibble> thanks themill . trying to find now, as
clicked amd64 on debian.org and downloaded instantly, no checksum
files
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1211[09:24:42] <themill> look at the URL, same directory
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1214[09:25:37] <bibble> themill: u r a q t !
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1215[09:25:50] <bibble> <3
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1217[09:27:37] <sysadmin> ok I'm gonna kill myself
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1221[09:28:37] <bibble> :D
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1222[09:28:48] <themill> sysadmin: if you don't want wicd,
don't install it
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1225[09:29:24] <TimurTheLame> It has 5 bullets in the chamber and
just in case you get lucky and trigger the unloaded one, that means
that fate has decreed that you should live
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1226[09:30:14] <bibble> for now
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1246[09:42:06] <dionysus69> how do I set global dns in gnome? not
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1251[09:43:48] <rook2pawn> i can't find libvirt-bin.
I'm using apt-get install libvirt-bin and im on sid
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1254[09:46:03] <msn> rook2pawn: its renamed in sid
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1255[09:46:12] <msn> rook2pawn: what are you trying to install?
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1261[09:48:09] <nikitasius> folks, what do you prefer: clusterssh
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1274[09:57:54] <rook2pawn> msn:
replaced-url
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1275[09:58:11] <rook2pawn> trying to install qumu-kvm and
libvirt-bin
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1276[09:58:46] <rook2pawn> qemu-kvm is installed, but libvirt-bin
is not to be found in either stretch or sid
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1283[10:00:27] <msn> rook2pawn: apt-get install libvirtd
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1284[10:00:35] <msn> that should do it
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1287[10:00:47] <msn> stretch/sid have renamed it the wiki always
follows "stable"
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1288[10:01:30] <msn> try libvirt-daemon-system
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1289[10:02:40] <rook2pawn> so the debian wiki isn't for sid
systems
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1293[10:03:34] <rook2pawn> thanks! how did you find the rename?
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1294[10:04:50] <syshape> hello, I've written a netinstall on
a usb key, which is a 4GB, and now using fdisk I can only see a
10MiB space. I've tried to use sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
bs=1, without any success. Would you know about this problem ?
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1296[10:05:09] <SynrG> rook2pawn: the wiki is for whatever
systems people bother to put there. it's uneven.
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1297[10:05:27] <SynrG> community-maintained ... not
"official" in any way
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1298[10:05:50] <msn> rook2pawn: apt-get install libvirt-bin gave
me the package name which provide the same binary
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1299[10:06:16] <eumel> syshape: try bs=1M
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1300[10:06:26] <SynrG> also, pay attention to the revision
history of the page (under "info"). some very old pages
might refer to "stable" meaning a much older release than
you think
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1304[10:07:01] <SynrG> though in this case, the page looks
actively maintained, so it's a safe bet it means Jessie
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1306[10:07:19] <OnceMe> if I install fail2ban is that enough to
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1307[10:07:22] <OnceMe> with default rules
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1309[10:07:41] <msn> i just ran into same issue, trying to setup
opennebula on stretch the node package needs libvirt-bin and poof
can't install
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release is unspecified on the wiki, stable is *implied*. however,
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1356[10:34:02] <the_punisher> hi
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1363[10:35:49] <jvelasquez> how come the nodejs install script
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1364[10:36:14] <jvelasquez> Wow. make -j20 really works. my
system load is 20!!
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1369[10:38:24] <babilen> jvelasquez: You might want to ask the
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supposedly, configures have nothing to do with Debian
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1409[10:55:16] <Aristide> Hello :)
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1411[10:55:31] <Aristide> I have a problem with xrdp packaged by
debian. Xrdp with XVNC work, but not with X11rdp
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1413[10:55:46] <Aristide> Wait I give you detail about error
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1447[11:09:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1448[11:10:40] <eumel> BluesKaj: hi
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1449[11:11:01] <BluesKaj> Hi eumel
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1502[11:46:36] <DoberMann> hi, any known issues with ipv6
security.debian.org mirrors ? i've got connection refused
errors on port 80 for 2607:f8f0:614:1::1274:31 and
2001:648:2ffc:deb::211:201 (aka geo2 and geo3 according to AAAA
answers)
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1522[11:56:30] <Shadur> Hrm, is it possible to recover a deleted
executable if it's still running and you know the process id?
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1524[11:57:22] <pfote> not sure, but doubt it
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1527[11:59:21] <Shadur> I ask because it looks like this
wordpress site (not mine, customer) was broken into, installed a
file called 'cron.php' that runs a listener on a port,
then deleted its executable but stays running.
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1529[11:59:49] <Shadur> I'm torn between wanting to kill it
outright and tryign to pry as much information out of it before I do
so.
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1531[12:02:44] <eumel> Shadur: you could search in /proc/${PID}
for process related content
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1533[12:03:53] <Shadur> eumel: Yeah, that's where I'm
looking, but the exe is a symlink to the original and it was
deleted.
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1540[12:06:27] <eumel> Shadur: that's true, there won't
be any more information for the running process, maybe some
filesystem recovery tools could help?
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1541[12:06:41] <Shadur> ... Ah well. This is their production
server, I don't think they'd be happy wth "I let a
suspicious process keep running on your server because I wanted to
see if I could find out what it did"
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1546[12:10:21] <eumel> Shadur: i don't think so either
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1548[12:10:58] <eumel> Shadur: i'd kill the process first
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1598[12:42:25] <cef> Any suggestions on how to debug i965 driver
not loading glx properly in Xorg? Xorg log:
replaced-url
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1627[12:57:11] <TimurTheLame> cef, do you have the modesetting
package installed?
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1629[12:57:43] <TimurTheLame> cef, try uninstalling it?
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replaced-url
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1640[13:00:59] <TimurTheLame> cef, and restart X
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1641[13:01:39] <petn-randall> cef: What packages have you pulled
from backports?
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1654[13:06:26] <cef> hrm, uninstalling
xserver-xorg-video-modesetting wants to remove task-desktop :/
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1655[13:07:12] <cef> petn-randall: xserver-xorg-video-intel and
most of the mesa packages..
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1658[13:07:56] <Iridos> cef, apt-cache show task-desktop |grep
Depends:
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1659[13:08:02] <Iridos> those are you probably want instead
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1660[13:08:22] <cef> petn-randall: basically what you'd
install for skylake from jessie-backports
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1661[13:09:52] <cef> Iridos: ahh.. yep.. and digging further, it
seems it depends on ALL the xorg video drivers.. so you can't
uninstall one without breaking that
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1663[13:11:01] <Iridos> no, you have to go at least one level
deeper
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1667[13:12:15] <cef> still seems to depend on all of them.. ie: I
can't uninstall just a single driver.
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1669[13:12:31] <cef> so.. how to disable it is pretty much the
next step to dig into
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1672[13:13:03] <Iridos> you have to mark the packages that the
meta-packages depend on as "installed manually", then you
can remove the meta-packages
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1673[13:13:42] <Iridos> so for task-desktop apt-get install xorg
xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all desktop-base
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1676[13:13:44] <Iridos> should do that
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1677[13:13:47] <Iridos> dpkg, unmarkauto
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1678[13:13:48] <dpkg> Is apt trying to remove packages that it
thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you
"aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it
causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its
dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto
packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the
<metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze
onwards).
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1680[13:14:13] <Iridos> or aptitude unmarkauto, same list from
the Depends:
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1681[13:14:14] <cef> ugh.. easier just to disable it probably..
anyway, gives me something to investigate tomorrow... bit late now
(damn timezones)
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1682[13:14:19] <petn-randall> cef: You also want to have the
kernel from backports. Also, I don't think that uninstalling a
driver will improve anything.
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1683[13:14:28] <Iridos> but those are again meta-packages, so you
need at least one level more
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1684[13:14:38] <cef> petn-randall: ahh yes, I'm running 4.9
from backports.
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1685[13:14:42] <Iridos> it's not hard! it's two
commands so far…
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1686[13:14:46] <petn-randall> Timur didn't explain why
removing xserver-xorg-video-modesetting would help.
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1687[13:14:52] <Iridos> well, there's that
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1688[13:15:04] <jelly> also, apt-mark manual
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1690[13:15:54] <cef> seems i can just turn off modesetting at
boot to the kernel by adding `nomodeset i915.modeset=0
nouveau.modeset=0` to the kernel cmdline
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1692[13:16:17] <cef> anyway, late here.. thanks and nite.
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1785[13:54:34] <jelly> !qotd0
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1786[13:54:35] <dpkg> greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB
TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key!
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1795[13:57:31] <GoGi> Why does the stretch kernel report its
version as 4.9.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.13-1?
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1796[13:57:45] <GoGi> is this based on 4.9.13 or 4.9.0? or both
somehow?
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1797[13:57:49] <themill> !kernel abi
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1798[13:57:49] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI>
to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from
a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't
require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from
3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended
for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the
ABI is unmanaged.
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1801[13:57:59] <mort> hey
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1805[13:58:20] <mort> I accidentally did `chsh -s bash root`
instead of `chsh -s /bin/bash root`. Is there a way to fix that?
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1807[13:58:46] <mort> I have another user account which I can log
into, but don't have sudo installed
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1814[14:00:44] <GoGi> so the debian kernel contains those things
from 4.9.13 which do not change the abi that existed in 4.9.0?
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1815[14:01:35] <jer0me> mort: su -c /bin/bash ?
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1816[14:01:42] <themill> GoGi: it will be all of 4.9.13 and that
hasn't changed the ABI. Basically that 0 is redundant but noone
is brave enough to break the world by removing it
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1817[14:02:05] <mort> jer0me: still getting the "cannot
execute bash" message
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1819[14:02:24] <themill> GoGi: You won't believe how many
bits of scripting want to split x.y.z-a-arch into some bits
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1821[14:02:34] <mort> jer0me: same with `su -s /bin/bash`
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1822[14:02:45] <GoGi> I see
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1825[14:03:09] <DoberMann> liveCD or singleuser boot may be
anoption
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1826[14:03:18] <GoGi> so even the kernel maintainers do not allow
abi changes in their longterm kernels?
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1830[14:03:47] <themill> GoGi: try to avoid but it happens.
That's why there's a -2- there not a -1-
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1831[14:03:59] <GoGi> ok
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1832[14:04:08] <GoGi> thanks
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1833[14:04:11] <the_punisher> i need help
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1834[14:04:28] <the_punisher> in vmware
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1835[14:04:43] <the_punisher> i got a message said that
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1836[14:04:44] <themill> GoGi: for the most part, the ABI sting
is an opaque string and if it changes, you need to recompile
out-of-tree modules (vbox, vmware, nvidia etc). If it doesn't
change, you shouldn't need to.
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1839[14:05:13] <tx> the_punisher: debian doesn't really
support vmware
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1840[14:05:17] <tx> doesn't package it. :(
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1841[14:05:20] <tx> (which is good!)
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1844[14:05:45] <GoGi> I see
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1845[14:05:48] <the_punisher> so what shoould i do
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1846[14:06:06] <jer0me> mort: maybe try ssh root@host /bin/bash
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1847[14:06:06] <towo`> the_punisher, ask the vmware people?
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1848[14:06:30] <the_punisher> where can i found him plz
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1849[14:06:36] <jer0me> mort: or you may need to reboot and issue
init=/bin/bash or something long these line
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1851[14:06:53] <GoGi> if git is update to allow other hashes than
sha1, is this a security problem that will allow the debian stable
package to be updated or not?
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1852[14:06:59] <towo`> the_punisher, unable to put vmware
community in a serachengine?
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1855[14:07:38] <the_punisher> towo
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1856[14:07:53] <the_punisher> what you suggest
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1858[14:08:14] <towo`> the_punisher, i suggest to ask on the
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1871[14:11:14] <mort> from single user mode, `chsh` didn't
work due to a PAM authentication issue (related to the shell being
set incorrectly?), but I've edited /etc/passwd now, and now the
shell works again
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1874[14:11:55] <mort> ssh didn't work btw, I assume debian
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1875[14:12:12] <jelly> mort: correct, only key-based for root by
default
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1876[14:12:27] <edeca> jelly: At the console too?
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1877[14:12:31] <mort> I could've copied over the ssh key to
the non-root user then
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1878[14:12:31] <jelly> for ssh
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1879[14:12:37] <mort> but alas, it works now
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1880[14:13:07] <DoberMann> mort: need to remount / un rw mode to
avoid "pam auth issue"
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1881[14:13:16] <DoberMann> *in
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1882[14:13:19] <mort> makes sense
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1883[14:13:26] <DoberMann> (default to ro)
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1884[14:14:05] <mort> hmm I was still able to edit /etc/passwd
though, which doesn't make sense if it was mounted read only
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2011[15:19:33] <b3h3m0th> I created a file
/etc/systemd/system/hostapd.service so that hostapd runs as a
service. But when I try systemctl status hostapd, it says no such
file or directory. Please help
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2032[15:28:54] <b3h3m0th> Hello
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2033[15:29:16] <b3h3m0th> why does systemd give me a
"Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)"
for systemctl status?
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2034[15:29:17] <jelly> b3h3m0th: don't forget to run
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2038[15:29:44] <jelly> after adding a new service unit
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2040[15:30:06] <b3h3m0th> jelly: that was it! my 3 hours :'(
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2041[15:30:09] <b3h3m0th> thank you very much
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2052[15:34:47] <b3h3m0th> jelly: could you please review this:
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2054[15:35:08] <b3h3m0th> My requirement is that hostapd should
start as a service after wlan0 is up and it should restart on fail
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2065[15:40:18] <nguyenphi> How to deal with when the package you
need only available in ppa or aur?
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2068[15:40:56] <n4dir> you simply don't care if it is in aur
or ppa. It means nothing
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2070[15:41:07] <nguyenphi> n4dir: why?
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2072[15:41:23] <n4dir> because it doesn't matter, as far
debian is concerned.
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2074[15:42:02] <n4dir> or: it doesn't help
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2076[15:42:07] <nguyenphi> n4dir: another question do you use
backport instead?
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2083[15:42:58] <n4dir> yes. you check if it is in stable
backports, if it isn't, you check if it is possible to backport
yourself from unstable, last you consider if it is worth to build it
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2084[15:43:02] <john_rambo> I am using Debian Stable
LXDE....After installing k3b it hasnt appeared in the menu .... How
do I add it ?
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2088[15:44:21] <jelly> b3h3m0th: sorry, I'm not the right
person to ask about systemd details
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2091[15:45:04] <jelly> b3h3m0th: there's #systemd channel
here, or #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net (and you can try asking in
#debian there as well)
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2092[15:45:09] <n4dir> there is a bot-factoid about backporting,
i assumed !bbl or !bbi, but no.
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2093[15:45:13] <jelly> !ssb
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2094[15:45:13] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2095[15:45:22] <n4dir> ta-da. thanks jelly
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2096[15:45:25] <jelly> (simple sid backport)
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2128[16:01:18] <elg75> trying to install ModemManager-0.5.tar.bz2
and running into many many dependencies...hot to resolve them?
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2130[16:03:28] <elg75> how to resolve?
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2137[16:06:49] <towo`> elg75, install them?
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2141[16:08:32] <elg75> right- apt-get install yields about 4
dependencies- I'm just needing a way to get ModemManager
installed.
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2145[16:11:39] <n4dir> dpkg -f , if you use gdebi or such it will
install them without such hazzle
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2146[16:11:39] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, n4dir
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2147[16:12:03] <n4dir> damnit, was wrong anyway. apt-get install
-f , i think
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2159[16:17:42] <fastputty> hi guys, could someone help me out. my
iostat show 24.60 for IOWAIT. im not sure what is the reason for it.
I have 4 cores so i guess its 100% IOWAIT on a single core.
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2167[16:19:12] <F443> hi. I am trying to dd debian installation
images (netinst or live) onto usb keys but they don't boot. the
isos are not corrupt/damaged. When I open the usb keys with gparted
after dd'ing the isos onto them, gparted gives me an
"invalid recursive partition" error. what's going
wrong here?
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2168[16:19:29] <fastputty> hi guys, could someone help me out. my
iostat show 24.60 for IOWAIT. im not sure what is the reason for it.
I have 4 cores so i guess its 100% IOWAIT on a single core.
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2169[16:19:33] <gslima_> game on!
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2171[16:19:42] <jelly> fastputty: typically that means your
storage is slow enough that one of the running processes is just
waiting for I/O to finish most of the time
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2173[16:20:08] <fastputty> jelly: yes but with iotop it show
nothing wrong
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2175[16:20:26] <jelly> fastputty: "iostat -x 1" (from
sysstat package) will help figuring out which device is ~100% in use
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2177[16:20:32] <jelly> s/in use/busy/
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2178[16:20:46] <jelly> fastputty: there's nothing wrong,
things are jsut slow
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2181[16:21:08] <fastputty> hmm let me pastebin some stuff
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2182[16:21:43] <fastputty> here is the result of iostat -x 1 :
replaced-url
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2185[16:22:26] <jelly> fastputty: right, so you've got
contention on dm-0 / sdb
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2187[16:22:49] <fastputty> here is the iotop:
replaced-url
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2190[16:23:06] <jelly> fastputty: ls -la /dev/dm-0 /dev/mapper/
will tell you which device/mountpoint is this
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2202[16:27:26] <jelly> fastputty: processes with names like [...]
are typically kernel threads. [jbd2-...] is a part of ext4 file
system kernel driver
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2204[16:28:17] <F443> what kind of partition table does a
dd'able usb key need? msdos or mbr or gpt?
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2205[16:28:28] <jelly> F443: msdos IS mbr.
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2206[16:29:14] <F443> ok, so which one do I need for a debian
iso?
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2207[16:29:37] <jelly> F443: you don't need ANY preexisting
partition table, the image has its own and you write it to the whole
device
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2209[16:30:33] <jelly> F443: and use "cp bla.iso
/dev/sdq" instead of "dd if=bla.iso of=/dev/sdq ..."
to write it
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2210[16:30:44] <F443> jelly: i deleted all my partitions from my
usb keys so that only unallocated space was left, but that didnt
work. then I tried FAT partitions or ext4 but they didnt work
either.
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2212[16:31:05] <jelly> F443: the image will overwrite any
existing partitions\
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2213[16:31:25] <jelly> if it doesn't, you're doing
something wrong
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2215[16:31:30] <abff> F443: don't write to the partition,
write to the whole disk /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc whatever it may be
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2216[16:31:31] <F443> ok, i will try cp
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2218[16:31:45] <jelly> F443: which OS are you doing this from?
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2221[16:32:24] <F443> jelly: debian
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2228[16:34:05] <TimurTheLame> I keep getting checksum mismatches
when downloading with apt-get. Have the secret services finally
figured out that I'm dangerous and they're doing a MITM
attack on me?
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2231[16:35:21] <TimurTheLame> The mirror might be broken, though
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2237[16:38:00] <jelly> TimurTheLame: change the used mirror
before going into 100% paranoid mode
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2238[16:38:11] <TimurTheLame> jelly, I was making a joke
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2239[16:38:26] <jelly> I was completely 100% serious
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2242[16:38:54] <jelly> On internet, noone can hear you being
subtle.
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2245[16:39:26] <Aristide> Hello ! I have a problem with XRDP
(with xorgxrdp module). If i'm connect with Xvnc its work, but
not with xorgxrdp, I get success, and in log, I have
replaced-url
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2247[16:39:53] <Aristide> (I have edit IP Address on log :p)
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2252[16:40:43] <Aristide> I get "connected : OK" into
log console
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2262[16:43:29] <jelly> Aristide: whish debian release?
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2263[16:43:49] <fastputty> jelly: but wha ti understood,
[jbd2-...] is slow and this is normal. it is not the cause of my
iowait
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2265[16:44:03] <Aristide> jelly: Debian 8
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2266[16:44:04] <jelly> fastputty: yes it is
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2267[16:44:24] <jelly> ,v xorgxrdp
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2268[16:44:25] <judd> Package: xorgxrdp on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 0.9.1-4~bpo8+1; sid: 0.9.1-7; stretch: 0.9.1-7
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2269[16:44:37] <jelly> Aristide: how did you install xorgxrdp?
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2271[16:45:39] <fastputty> jelly: what so far, im not sure what
cause this 25% iowait
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2273[16:45:57] <Aristide> jelly: Must be installed after or
before xrdp ?
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2274[16:46:08] <fastputty> jelly: this is
replaced-url
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2277[16:46:39] <jelly> Aristide: I have no idea, didn't even
know there was a backport. I still x11vnc
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2278[16:46:57] <Aristide> jelly: In Sid its work without problem
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2282[16:49:12] <rdococ> 1725? New record!!!
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2283[16:49:17] <rdococ> jk
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2294[16:54:25] <fastputty> jelly: from the pastebin i shared, is
there anything suspecious?
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2297[16:54:56] <carp_> Hi, I have debian jessie. I want to start
a wordpress website and so Im looking for a good guide to follow.
Does anyone have a recommendation? Im currently looking at following
this guide:
replaced-url
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2300[16:55:47] <carp_> Something that is worrying me though is
the part where it says "chmod -R 755 /var/replaced-url
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2304[16:56:19] <fastputty> carp_ : if you are the only person
using the server and you have a updated version of wordpress
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2305[16:56:21] <petn-randall> ,v wordpress
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2306[16:56:23] <judd> Package: wordpress on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u10; wheezy-security: 3.6.1+dfsg-1~deb7u13; jessie:
4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u11; jessie-proposed-updates: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12;
jessie-security: 4.1+dfsg-1+deb8u12; jessie-backports:
4.7.2+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.7.3+dfsg-1; stretch: 4.7.3+dfsg-1
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2307[16:56:27] <fastputty> carp_: i think it should be save
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2308[16:56:39] <stew> carp_: who owns that directory?
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2309[16:56:53] <petn-randall> carp_: I would just install the
version that comes with jessie. 'apt install wordpress'.
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2310[16:57:05] <stew> carp_: in general, running wordpress is a
huge security liability
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2311[16:57:44] <carp_> Hi guys. It is my own personal machine, Im
the only user.
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2312[16:57:50] <jer0me> webapps security is not trivial indeed.
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2314[16:58:51] <carp_> petn-randall: I like the sound of your
plan. But Im sure I will need a guide to get it working.
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2315[16:59:22] <stew> carp_: what is your plan for learning when
you need to make security patches?
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2317[16:59:53] <fastputty> someone could give me a hand for
diagnose why my server is having a 25% iowait in a iostat. (4 core
cpu)
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2318[17:00:15] <petn-randall> fastputty: Sure, can you share the
output on
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2322[17:00:42] <fastputty> petn-randall: iostat :
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2324[17:01:17] <carp_> stew: Im a new user to Debian, Im a
beginner all round unfortunately. At the moment what I do is just
"apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" each day.
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2330[17:02:05] <M4GNV5> whoever is running that server: the
timestamps on the mails from debian-news-request@lists.debian.org
are always 1 hour in the past
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2332[17:02:45] <doubledutch> M4GNV5: Not always, just last 10
hours. Thanks.
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2333[17:02:46] <doubledutch> !ops
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2334[17:02:46] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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2335[17:02:52] <han-solo> maybe it's because of DST :}
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2336[17:03:20] <fastputty> petn-randall: what more output would
you need?
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2338[17:03:39] <M4GNV5> han-solo, yah that would be my guess too
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2351[17:08:53] <jer0me> TIL, countries / TZ do not change DST on
the same day.
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2355[17:09:06] <Datz> Hi, I had a question about how DST is
propagated the RTC chips in a computer. I'm using a DS3231 for
a RTC, which doesn't keep track of DST, and I wasn't aware
tht my setup was writing to the RTC, yet it accounted for DST.
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2356[17:09:13] <jer0me> yesterday in the US, end of month in
France.
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2357[17:09:17] <johnkeates> jer0me: are you one of those
engineers that got stuck on a date/time piece of software?
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2358[17:09:23] <johnkeates> because in that case, i feel your
pain
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2360[17:09:41] <johnkeates> Datz: it uses a tzdata database
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2365[17:09:58] <Datz> the system clock
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2366[17:10:11] <johnkeates> date and time is a complex beast
since it's made by humans for humans and sucks for machine
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2368[17:10:21] <johnkeates> Datz: every time the system shuts
down it writes the RTC
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2369[17:10:22] <Datz> So something like hwclock automatically
updates the RTC
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2370[17:10:30] <jer0me> johnkeates: I got bitten quite a few
times in the past (!), but nowadays, I mostly use golang, which date
handling is prety great.
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2372[17:10:32] <teclo-> ah it's again
that-time-of-the-year-when-its-so-dumb-that-they-dont-change-to-DST-at-the-same-date
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2373[17:10:32] <Datz> This system was left running
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2375[17:10:50] <johnkeates> it also updates on leap seconds, ntp
syncs etc.
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2376[17:11:05] <Datz> ntp has been stopped
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2377[17:11:25] <johnkeates> they don't change DST at the
same time for the same reason time zones exist and christmas in
australia is on the beach
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2378[17:11:42] <johnkeates> Datz: the chip itself isn't
magical, the OS must be responsible
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2379[17:11:47] <Datz> I guess the system clock updates the RTC
unknowingly to me
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2380[17:11:52] <jelly> Datz: which hw platform is that?
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2381[17:11:53] <johnkeates> yeah
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2382[17:12:01] <johnkeates> it's a Pi i bet
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2383[17:12:02] <jelly> Datz: and which debian release?
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2385[17:12:12] <Datz> jelly: it's raspian or whatever/
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2386[17:12:27] <johnkeates> It's Debian on ARM on the
Raspberry Pi
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2387[17:12:31] <jelly> Datz: raspbian is quite different from
debian
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2388[17:12:31] <johnkeates> it's a good distro
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2389[17:12:32] <Datz> yes
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2391[17:12:36] <Datz> I see
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2392[17:12:39] <jelly> !raspbian
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2394[17:12:39] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2395[17:12:49] <johnkeates> that is also true
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2396[17:12:51] <Datz> right..
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2398[17:13:06] <jelly> ask in their channel, we have no clue what
workaround and settings they have in addition to what was in debian
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2399[17:13:14] <johnkeates> while most things that are true for
debian are also true for raspbian, it doesn't work the other
way around
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2402[17:13:26] <Datz> Ah, I thought it'd be the same config
for time, relativly.
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2403[17:13:27] <johnkeates> rasbpian is debian with hacks on top,
comparable to ubuntu ;-)
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2404[17:13:37] <jelly> no, raspbian is raspbian
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2405[17:13:39] <johnkeates> no, especially since it has no RTC by
default
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2406[17:13:40] <teclo-> yeah but "Christmas in Australia is
on the beach" is a natural phenomenon, daylight savings time is
the consequence of the silliness of mankind
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2407[17:13:50] <Datz> That's true
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2408[17:13:52] <johnkeates> jelly: i can build images for both
from the same toochain
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2410[17:14:09] <jelly> johnkeates: good for you! Have a cookie
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2411[17:14:14] * johnkeates has a cookie
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2412[17:14:19] <johnkeates> ur just jelly
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2413[17:14:20] <Datz> I wonder if anyone there will know
anything..
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2414[17:14:31] <jelly> if you have an r.pi3 and actual debian and
can reproduce the same issue, ask in here (or better, in #debian-arm
on OFTC)
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2415[17:14:35] <johnkeates> they will, since RTC stuff is a
day-to-day issue for Pi and the gang
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2416[17:14:53] <Datz> tis a r.pi3
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2417[17:14:56] <jelly> pun indented
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2418[17:15:00] <johnkeates> ;-)
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2421[17:15:24] <johnkeates> but jelly is right, this is #debian,
if the channel starts accepting stuff for everything that remotely
smells like debian ist's gonna be a shitstorm in here
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2422[17:15:25] * Datz runs debian on this current machine
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2423[17:15:34] <Datz> hehe
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2424[17:15:38] <jer0me> teclo-: it was pretty smart at the time.
Not quite sure nowadays.
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2426[17:16:09] <jelly> !based on debian
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2427[17:16:09] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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2429[17:16:52] <teclo-> johnkeates, jelly: well there is
#raspbian for that, for instance
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2430[17:16:59] <jer0me> Any recommendation on photo library
management tools that would make sync between machines not a huge
PITA?
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2431[17:17:03] <johnkeates> that's true
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2433[17:17:11] <jelly> teclo-: yes, dpkg just said that
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2434[17:17:23] <johnkeates> dpkg sometimes lies
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2435[17:17:23] <dpkg> johnkeates: I give up, what is it?
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2437[17:17:28] <johnkeates> see
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2438[17:17:35] <jelly> dpkg: spank johnkeates
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2439[17:17:35] * dpkg bends johnkeates over his knee and delivers a
mighty *THWACK*
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2440[17:17:41] <johnkeates> nice
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2441[17:17:45] <teclo-> jelly: indeed
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2442[17:17:48] <johnkeates> do it again
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2443[17:17:49] <johnkeates> :p
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2444[17:17:52] <jelly> dpkg: spank johnkeates
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2445[17:17:53] * dpkg bends johnkeates over his knee and delivers a
mighty *THWACK*
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2446[17:17:53] <johnkeates> rawr
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2451[17:18:37] <han-solo> err
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2452[17:18:39] <han-solo> :}
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2453[17:19:16] <Datz> I guess I could ask the same question about
my other debian install..
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2454[17:19:25] <Datz> Shouldn't have based it on the Pi :P
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2456[17:20:03] <Datz> Is there a config where I can see how often
the RTC is written to?
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2461[17:23:28] <jelly> a good question for #raspbian
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2462[17:23:54] <Datz> They'd probaly tell me to get help
with debian in #debian
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2463[17:24:00] <Datz> :p
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2464[17:24:01] <han-solo> :}
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2465[17:24:25] <jelly> Datz: what does "uname -a" say
on your debian system
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2466[17:24:43] <Datz> Linux media 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.2.78-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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2467[17:24:55] <jelly> yeah, that looks like debian
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2468[17:25:05] <Datz> /exec -o uname -a
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2469[17:25:11] <jelly> 3.2.84-2 is current, patch your OS
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2470[17:25:18] <Datz> yeah
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2471[17:25:24] <jelly> and reboot, too
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2472[17:25:26] <Datz> /exec -o uptime
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2473[17:25:30] <Datz> 11:25:30 up 331 days, 18:32, 4 users, load
average: 0.40, 0.20, 0.17
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2474[17:25:35] <Pr0metheus> my Tomcat is constantly running at
7-10% and there is nothing in the logs, any idea where should I look
for tihs?
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2475[17:25:40] * jelly hopes that's not on public ip
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2476[17:25:53] <jelly> Pr0metheus: 7-10% of what?
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2477[17:26:06] <jhutchins_wk> Pr0metheus: What is tomcat doing?
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2478[17:26:31] <jelly> it's jvm, idle loop probably eats
half a core :-)
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2480[17:26:58] <jhutchins_wk> Logging may not be turned on.
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2481[17:27:06] <Pr0metheus> jelly it's on a VMware virtual
machine and with top -> I get 7-10% cpu
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2483[17:27:20] <Pr0metheus> jhutchins_wk I don't know what
it is doing
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2484[17:28:15] <jelly> Pr0metheus: java can do all sorts of
asynchronous stuff, GC comes to mind. You'll probably get more
help asking in a tomcat or java channel
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2486[17:28:34] <Pr0metheus> ok jelly thanks
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2487[17:28:47] <jelly> even if there's nothing accessing its
listener services
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2534[17:48:12] <alwyn> Hello! For some reason postfix stopped,
and now when I try to start it again, I get "fatal: bind
0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use" in the logfile
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2535[17:48:26] <alwyn> However, "lsof -i :25" returns
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2544[17:52:21] <han-solo> netstat -nat | grep :25
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2548[17:53:42] <bezaban> sudo lsof -i :25 ?
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2549[17:53:51] <alwyn> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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2550[17:53:54] <alwyn> Hmmm
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2565[17:57:20] <donofrio> do you folks know if yaboot is needed
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2566[17:57:28] <alwyn> Euh postfix is running again :P
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2567[17:57:32] <alwyn> Anyways gotta run, thanks :)
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2577[17:58:33] <gang> hello?
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2584[18:01:22] <Wulf> gang: hello.
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2589[18:02:35] <kaleidoscope> hey guys, i'm in the process
of harding my debian server. is using grsecurity a recommended idea?
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2591[18:02:45] <Wulf> kaleidoscope: I think so
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2592[18:02:54] <gang> Wulf Is this a help channel?
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2593[18:03:16] <Wulf> gang: yeah, feel free to help others
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2595[18:03:23] <kaleidoscope> Wulf: neat, thank you. do you know
which package i should install?
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2597[18:03:24] <kaleidoscope> i see two packages
linux-patch-grsecurity2 and kernel-patch-grsecurity2
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2598[18:03:33] <kaleidoscope> i'm using debian jessie
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2599[18:03:50] <Wulf> kaleidoscope: read the description of both
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2600[18:03:53] <Wulf> kaleidoscope: then decide :-)
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2601[18:04:03] <nmschulte> linux-patch is the wrong one, IIUC.
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2602[18:04:09] <gang> Wulf I'm the one who needs helping
haha
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2605[18:04:24] <gang> xset m is doing nothing for me no matter
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2606[18:04:43] <kaleidoscope> ah, looks like i need both i'm
guessing. kernel-patch is a transitional package
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2608[18:04:55] <Wulf> gang: what should it di?
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2609[18:05:30] <Wulf> kaleidoscope: you don't need
transitional packages.
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2613[18:06:06] <gang> Wulf It should be changing the mouse
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2614[18:06:12] <kaleidoscope> Wulf: ah whoops, gotcha
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2615[18:06:19] <Wulf> gang: do you supply any other parameters?
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2629[18:09:11] <gang> Wulf I'm typing xset m 1/2 0
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2630[18:09:14] <gang> no mouse speed changes
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2660[18:22:58] <kaleidoscope> okay, so i installed grsecurity,
but i'm not exactly sure how to verify the kernel has been
patched
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2666[18:26:24] <jelly> M4GNV5: can you pastebin full headers of
an affected message from lists.debian.org?
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2675[18:31:04] <jelly> kaleidoscope: boot into it and try to run
firefox or java, when it breaks horribly it will be apparent :-)
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2678[18:32:13] <kaleidoscope> jelly: even on a headless server? i
guess i can use java, but not sure about firefox
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2688[18:35:46] <jelly> kaleidoscope: #grsecurity channel over on
irc.oftc.net will have less stupid suggestions, probably
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2689[18:35:59] <kaleidoscope> ah, sounds great, thank you
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2802[19:21:36] <kupi> Hello
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2803[19:21:48] <doubledutch> !hello
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2804[19:21:48] <dpkg> Hi, doubledutch!
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2805[19:22:31] <kupi> what is the group of nginx on debian 8?
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2812[19:25:00] <truth-wok> its
replaced-url
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2816[19:25:24] <doubledutch> kupi: Same here,
replaced-url
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2817[19:25:58] <truth-wok>
replaced-url
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2820[19:26:44] <kupi> I have added my user to that group, do I
need to log out?
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2821[19:26:56] <bibble> kupi: user 'nginx' if you use
the dotdeb repo
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2822[19:27:17] <bibble> what nginx version ?
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2824[19:27:59] <kupi> 1.6.2
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2852[19:39:47] <imeanmean> hi all
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2853[19:39:56] <imeanmean> I have a broken package (Debian
jessie) and can't apt remove it, also can't install any
other packages from apt
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2854[19:40:03] <imeanmean> reconfigure, remove, force aren't
working also
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2862[19:42:34] <somiaj> !bat
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2863[19:42:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2864[19:42:49] <somiaj> imeanmean: give us that output. Being a
broken package in jessie, usually occurs when mixing in unoffical
third party packages
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2866[19:44:32] <imeanmean> @somiaj yes
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2868[19:45:13] <imeanmean> E: package telegram needs to be
reinstalled, but not file found
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2869[19:45:18] <somiaj> if using thrid party packages/repos, make
sure they are compadable with jessie, else you'll have trouble.
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2871[19:45:22] <imeanmean> (sorry for translation, output is in
spanish)
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2872[19:45:28] <somiaj> ,v telegram
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2873[19:45:29] <judd> No package named 'telegram' was
found in amd64.
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2875[19:45:43] <somiaj> imeanmean: well that package doesn't
exist in debian, unsure what is requireing it.
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2876[19:45:44] <Latituder> debian is rock solid. except for one
thing. browser (chrome) has bad fonts. how to fix it
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2877[19:45:55] <somiaj> imeanmean: with LANG=C apt-cache policy
-- you can get output in english.
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2878[19:46:04] <imeanmean> ok will try
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2880[19:46:22] <somiaj> Latituder: might just need to install
other font packages. Unsure what free fonts are good, I use non-free
fonts and don't have issue with chromium.
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2881[19:46:49] <Latituder> somiaj, what non free do you use
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2882[19:46:52] <imeanmean> "telegram needs to be be
reinstalled"
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2883[19:46:56] <imeanmean> "not file found"
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2884[19:47:01] <Latituder> and do I need to configure them after
installing from apt install? somiaj
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2886[19:47:48] <somiaj> Latituder: actually don't have any
non-free fonts here and it seems to work.
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2887[19:48:05] <somiaj> imeanmean: we cna't really support a
package we don't know anything about, that package is not in
debian. If it is installed on your system, where did it come from?
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2888[19:48:18] <somiaj> Latituder: do you have an
example/screenshot of a webpage that gives bad fonts?
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2889[19:48:41] <somiaj> Latituder: do you have the
fonts-liberation package installed?
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2890[19:48:43] <Latituder> all webpages
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2892[19:48:50] <Latituder> in browser chrome / chromium
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2893[19:48:53] <Latituder> tiny distorted
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2894[19:49:01] <imeanmean> somiaj i need to unistall it
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2895[19:49:08] <imeanmean> uninstall*
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2896[19:49:13] <imeanmean> since apt is now broken
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2897[19:49:29] <Latituder> somiaj, fonts-liberation is already
installed according to apt
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2899[19:49:41] <somiaj> imeanmean: so what is the output of
LANG=C apt-get remove telegram -- paste the full output including
the command you typed at paste.debian.net
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2901[19:51:23] <somiaj> Latituder: unsure what the issue could
be, tiny fonts sounds like it could be a dpi setting, if you say
zoom the webpage do the fonts get better?
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2903[19:51:45] <somiaj> Latituder: My fonts here look just fine
and I haven't done anything special. But I'm also one who
is okay with the default fonts.
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2904[19:52:23] <Latituder> somiaj, zooming improves readability
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2907[19:52:44] <somiaj> Latituder: what DE are you using?
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2908[19:52:49] <imeanmean> somiaj
replaced-url
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2912[19:53:05] <somiaj> Latituder: was it defaulted to be zoomed
at 100%, or was it some how zoomed at say 50% and you had to zoom in
to get it to be normal.
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2913[19:53:09] <Latituder> somiaj, MATE
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2915[19:53:18] <Latituder> 100
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2916[19:53:42] <somiaj> imeanmean: LANG=C dpkg -l | grep
telegram-cli
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2918[19:54:25] <imeanmean> FR telegram-cli 1.0.6-1 amd64 Telegram
messenger
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2921[19:55:14] <mandeep> Latituder: ive had success with
infinality but it takes some configuration
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2922[19:55:53] <Latituder> doesnt debian come with infinality
like default config
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2927[19:57:28] <somiaj> imeanmean: I have never had a package in
that state, but unsure what to do if you don't have access to
the package. You could try to configure it or purge it and see if
that gets you anywhere. dpkg --configure telegram-cli or dpkg
--purge telegram-cli
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2929[19:58:34] <imeanmean> somiaj
replaced-url
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2931[19:59:13] <mandeep> Latituder: unsure
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2936[20:00:11] <somiaj> Latituder: maybe check under Mate's
configuration/settings dialogs and see if you can find one on fonts,
default font size, or font scaling/dpi
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2942[20:00:44] <somiaj> imeanmean: yea that package is in a bad
state, and purging doesn't get rid of it? Seems like you need
to track down what third party site gave yo utha tpackage.
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2946[20:01:59] <imeanmean> can't remove it in a hard way?
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2948[20:02:14] <imeanmean> apt is stuck since 2 days, can't
install any package or remove
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2958[20:04:05] <somiaj> imeanmean: if dpkg --purge won't
remove it, it is very broken and you need to track down where you
got this third party package
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2959[20:04:09] <somiaj> maybe read the following link
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2960[20:04:14] <somiaj> !don't break debian
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2961[20:04:14] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably
replaced-url
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2966[20:04:52] <Latituder> somiaj, pdfs are crystal clear, only
browser fonts suck
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2970[20:05:43] <somiaj> pdf's usually have the fonts
included in them, the browser will get the fonts from the system.
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2973[20:05:48] <imeanmean> so my Debian is now broken, since I
can't get the original .deb file for this package
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2974[20:05:48] <imeanmean> lol
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2975[20:05:56] <imeanmean> format time?
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2980[20:06:35] <somiaj> or you can track down where you got this
package.
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2989[20:07:54] <imeanmean> :(
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2990[20:07:55] <imeanmean> looks bad
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2992[20:08:23] <abff> testing
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2994[20:08:58] <jelly> abff / [][]Jack: yes?
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2995[20:09:22] <abff> Just testing quassel, wasn't sure
which nick I was wearing
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2997[20:09:32] <jelly> both apparently
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2998[20:09:55] <abff> yeah weird
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2999[20:10:29] <abff> try that autocomplete again, couldya?
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3001[20:10:59] <jelly> imeanmean: what does «dpkg -l
telegram-cli |tail -n 1» say?
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3009[20:12:43] <hexnewbie> imeanmean: You didn't pastebin
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3012[20:13:51] <jelly> that too
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3023[20:18:08] <Rembo> when i try to install php extension
i'm getting this:
replaced-url
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3027[20:19:03] <Rembo> can someone help?
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3029[20:19:29] <jelly> Rembo: run "apt-get update" and
try again
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3034[20:20:43] <jelly> Rembo: your system wasn't patched up
in quite a while. Consider running an "apt-get
dist-upgrade" after that update, too
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3063[20:33:23] <Rembo> i'm getting this after php upgrade:
replaced-url
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3067[20:35:22] <jelly> Rembo: that looks incorrect for debian 8,
where are you reading this?
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3069[20:35:40] <jelly> Rembo: do you have complete logs of said
php upgrade?
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3082[20:40:16] <jhutchins_wk> ,v php5
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3083[20:40:17] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u7; jessie:
5.6.29+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1;
jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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3090[20:41:48] <jhutchins_wk> Rembo: You probably just need to
apt update
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3092[20:42:27] <jhutchins_wk> As jelly said.
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3094[20:43:41] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: that's not "just
need to update", that's "I've possibly mixed
jessie repos into something significantly older and/or have a broken
php setup"
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3096[20:43:57] <jelly> their last pastebin, that is
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3097[20:44:43] <TomTomTosch> that's the path wheezy uses for
php modules. apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5 php5-mysql
output to paste.debian.net would be helpful.
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3101[20:46:16] <TomTomTosch> Rembo: were you trying to upgrade
that machine from wheezy to jessie?
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3104[20:47:43] <jelly> I may have accidentally told them to break
their setup even more, guessing they managed to have
"stable" or "jessie" repos on a mostly-wheezy
system
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3105[20:47:58] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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3106[20:48:06] <jelly> NO WARRANTY
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3107[20:49:19] <Devastator> hahah
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3108[20:49:37] <Devastator> that face
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3110[20:50:52] <paradigmarson> Rembo: Did you run apt-get update
and try again? If so, how did it go? Any different?
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3120[20:53:52] <TomTomTosch> He's dead, Jim.
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3121[20:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> PHP is a mess. WordPress claims it
requires PHP7, but that's not in any mainline release.
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3124[20:54:43] <jelly> ,v php7.1
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3125[20:54:44] <judd> Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5;
sid: 7.1.1-1
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3126[20:54:46] <jelly> ,v php7.0
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3127[20:54:47] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2;
stretch: 7.0.16-3; sid: 7.0.16-3
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3131[20:55:11] <jhutchins_wk> RSN
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3134[20:55:50] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: xenial has it, or does
ubuntu lts not count as mainline
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3136[20:56:43] <jhutchins_wk> Meh, I guess it does these days.
For a long time it wasn't respected as a server distro, but
these days it's used a lot.
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3137[20:57:35] <jhutchins_wk> I wonder... there's probably a
site that will show you what versions of a package are available in
various distros.
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3140[20:59:27] <elg75> Yes- right: how to install a tar.bz2
package (Modem Manager-0.5.tar.bz2) on Debian 8?
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3142[21:00:09] <jhutchins_wk> elg75: Depends on what's in
the tar.gz.
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3145[21:00:47] <jelly> elg75: that's a compressed archive,
not really a package. Unpack it into a directory and look at the
contents
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3147[21:02:01] <elg75> Very good- there is an INSTALL file in the
unzip filesystem- however it does not talk about <how to
install>.
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3149[21:02:23] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: What's that utility
that you can wrap a source build in to make it uninstallable?
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3152[21:03:25] <jhutchins_wk> checkinstall
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3153[21:03:26] <jelly> elg75: what does it say, then?
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3154[21:03:29] <TomTomTosch> elg75: where is that from?
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3156[21:03:51] <jhutchins_wk> elg75: There may also be a README
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3158[21:04:44] <elg75> it's from launchpad.net/ModemManager
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3159[21:05:00] <jhutchins_wk> ,v modemmanager
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3160[21:05:01] <judd> Package: modemmanager on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.5.2.0-2; jessie: 1.4.0-1; stretch: 1.6.4-1; sid: 1.6.4-1
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3161[21:05:07] <elg75> Yes- there is also a README file- but
again it does not address how to actually install.
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3162[21:05:41] <jhutchins_wk> elg75: Which is a pretty good sign
that if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't.
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3163[21:06:04] <jelly> elg75: and you're not using the
packaged version because...?
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3164[21:06:08] <jelly> ,v modem-manager-gui
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3165[21:06:09] <somiaj> jhutchins_wk: or stow
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3166[21:06:09] <judd> Package: modem-manager-gui on amd64 --
jessie: 0.0.17.1-2; sid: 0.0.18-3+b1; stretch: 0.0.18-3+b1
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3168[21:07:08] <jelly> elg75: install those two packages we just
looked up versions of ^^ instead, see if they're good enough
for your needs
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3170[21:07:44] <elg75> modem-manager-gui. didn't know about
it...now I do! great- will go with it and C.
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3171[21:07:54] <jelly> elg75: next time, do an "apt-cache
search keyword" for a quick search at packages already
available in the distro
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3176[21:10:12] <jhutchins_wk> Debian has one of the largest
collection of packaged software around, managed through the
repository system and apt/dpkg.
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3180[21:10:53] <jhutchins_wk> elg75: The "download it from
the manufacturer and run their installer" model is not how most
Linux distros work.
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3211[21:20:07] <rgr> whats the "go to standard" for
running other Linuxes under debian these days? I need to run Ubuntu
14.04.
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3214[21:20:25] <heArtbreakers> Dunno
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3219[21:20:44] <abff> What's wrong with debian?
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3220[21:20:54] <jelly> everything!
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3221[21:20:57] <rgr> are you talking to me?
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3222[21:21:06] <abff> rgr: yeah sorry
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3223[21:21:22] <rgr> nothing. Thats why I want to run ubuntu
under it. Its for testing something.
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3224[21:21:26] <jelly> rgr: kvm? debootstrapped chroot?
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3225[21:21:33] <jelly> it depends
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3226[21:21:34] <rgr> ta I'll google those.
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3227[21:21:36] <TomTomTosch> docker ^^
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3229[21:21:56] <jelly> there's no usable docker in jessie,
or is there
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3232[21:22:12] <rgr> wasn't vmware or something the flavour
of the month not so long ago. cant remember ;(
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3234[21:22:28] <jelly> heArtbreakers: if you have an actual
debian question, PM me and I may unmute you
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3236[21:22:34] <TomTomTosch> ,v docker.io
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3237[21:22:35] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.11.2~ds1-6;
experimental: 1.13.0~ds1-1
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3238[21:22:51] <jelly> rgr: vmware isn't in debian
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3239[21:23:01] <TomTomTosch> hmm, good question. that's
rather old. i've been using the one packaged by upstream tbh.
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3243[21:23:35] <jonkristian> None of these suggestions works.
Does anyone know how to fix this?
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3244[21:23:37] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3271[21:38:11] <somiaj> jonkristian: does the bug report not have
a workaround, it may require modifing the systemd unit file to deal
with them
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3276[21:40:01] <Rembo> i'm getting this
replaced-url
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3283[21:41:18] <somiaj> Rembo: where did you get this
/etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf package?
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3285[21:41:42] <somiaj> Rembo: are you using the phpmyadmin and
php from jessie (or your debian release) or are you using another
version of php from say dotdeb or some other source?
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3286[21:41:52] <Digz> Rembo, does /var/log/apache2 logs reveal
anything?
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3287[21:42:21] <somiaj> my initial guess is mixing of debian
packages and other ways of installing php
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3289[21:42:51] <Rembo> somiaj, i'm using debian7
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3292[21:43:06] <Rembo> i did try a php upgrade and my apache
doesn't start
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3293[21:43:09] <somiaj> Rembo: so this is on debian wheezy, where
did you get your php from? Where did you get phpmyadmin from?
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3296[21:43:32] <somiaj> where did you get th epackage you
upgraded php too, that is probably th eissue, you shoudln't mix
other versions of php that aren't provided by debian for
wheezy.
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3297[21:43:42] <Rembo> i did apt-get update
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3298[21:44:07] <TomTomTosch> earlier pastes:
replaced-url
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3300[21:44:26] <Rembo> do i need to remove php and reinstall it ?
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3301[21:44:31] <Rembo> with phpmyadmin also?
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3306[21:45:17] <TomTomTosch> going from your earlier paster you
mixed debian 7 and debian 8 packages, which is generally not a good
idea.
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3308[21:45:25] <TomTomTosch> * pastes
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3311[21:45:49] <Rembo> TomTomTosch, what shall i do?
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3312[21:46:05] <somiaj> Rembo: if you are mixing debian 7 and 8
packages, you could be in a strange broken state. You need to run
either only debian 7 packages or only debian 8.
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3314[21:46:15] <paradigmarson> Rembo: Could try downgrading or
reinstall Debian.
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3315[21:46:22] <somiaj> depending on how much is mixed, it may
require a bit of work to manually downgrade back to wheezy, or
upgrade your whole server to jessie.
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3316[21:46:35] <_jdccdevel> Does anyone know if I can use a
systemd link file in /etc/systemd/network to rename a network
interface on Debian Stretch (9) ? If not, will a udev rule work?
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3317[21:47:20] <somiaj> _jdccdevel: I belive so, stretch supports
systemd's new predictiable interface naming method, so you can
use systemd with udev to name them.
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3318[21:47:32] <somiaj> unsrue on the details as I haven't
looked into this yet
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3319[21:47:48] <bmomjian> So I installed ipmitool, then decided I
didn't want it. Unfortunately, some kernel modules were left
loaded, e.g. ipmi_devintf, and some module files were remove but
still attempted to load on boot, causeing a failure boot message,
e.g. ipmi_si. Is this normal? I ended up commenting them out in
/etc/modules. Is that the right approach?
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3322[21:48:27] <jelly> predictable unless your PCI setup changes
in any little way
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3324[21:48:51] <somiaj> jelly: so it uses the pcislot to make the
name instead of the order detected by the kernel?
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3325[21:49:02] <_jdccdevel> somiaj: I've used udev rule
files before, but never used the systemd link files.
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3326[21:49:07] <paradigmarson> Rembo:
replaced-url
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3327[21:49:15] <jelly> somiaj: that's where the kernel gets
the "order" from
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3328[21:49:17] <somiaj> _jdccdevel: me either, I know it is
supported, but I also know the old way is supported to.
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3329[21:49:20] <paradigmarson> hope those links help
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3330[21:49:29] <pila> sorry for offtopic, can someon recommend a
channel to get help for server hosting?
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3334[21:51:22] <paradigmarson> Rembo: I'm afriad that's
the trouble with mixing suites (e.g. running stable and installing
some packages from testing): incompatibilities arise and downgrading
isn't supported, though often works acceptably. I hope you get
it sorted anyway.
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3339[21:52:51] <Pr0metheus> Do you guys feel a little concerned
about Debian after the wikileaks reveals?
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3340[21:52:52] <_jdccdevel> somiaj: Awesome, I'll use udev
rule files then, if it's supported. The new device names are
based on pci slots, so they're always the same between reboots.
Unless you change your hardware around, they will always have the
same name. I like to name them myself, so I can move things around
easily, without changing a dozen config daemon configurations if I
need to switch hardware.
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3342[21:53:19] <pila> Pr0metheus have a link?
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3345[21:54:16] <cerealkill3r> Hello, I just did a fresh install
of debian and my wifi isn't working. Lspci shows this : Network
controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 30). I heard i have to
upgrade my kernel (never done that)
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3362[22:00:08] <imeanmean> @jelly @hexnewbie jelly hexnewbie
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3363[22:00:25] <imeanmean>
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3364[22:00:36] <_jdccdevel> somiaj: Just FYI, I can confirm that
the udev rules work for renaming network interfaces on Stretch. the
Systemd link files didn't work for me, but I can't be sure
it wasn't a problem with the file, since I haven't used a
"link" file before.
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3371[22:02:48] <hexnewbie> imeanmean: dpkg --simulate --purge
--force-remove-reinstreq telegram-cli
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3373[22:03:08] <cerealkill3r> Could someone tell me what i have
to do to upgrade my kernel *sorry for the newbie question
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3375[22:03:56] <hexnewbie> imeanmean: If you're happy with
what it says (maybe pastebin and ask here first), run it without
--simulate. For more on the --force options, see ‘dpkg
--force-help’. Be warned that remote-reinstreq is marked [!] -
meaning, it can seriously damage your installation
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3379[22:04:52] <hexnewbie> imeanmean: I have obviously never ran
anything of that sort, so I have no idea what --simulate will tell
you, so maybe share first. Running it without --simulate may break
your system, as warned
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3386[22:07:57] <hexnewbie> cerealkill3r: There's a new
kernel in jessie-backports (4.9+79~bpo8+1), not sure if that's
the solution for your wireless issue, though
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3387[22:07:59] <hexnewbie> !backports
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3389[22:07:59] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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3391[22:09:04] <hexnewbie> cerealkill3r: Er, that omitted the
important URL -
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3394[22:12:08] <balor> If I set `net.ifnames=1` and move my usb
wifi dongle between USB ports, will its device name change? I'm
guessing yes.
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3396[22:13:30] <cerealkill3r> hexnewbie, Added the backports to
my sources.list, but when i run apt-get install
linux-image-amd64/jessie-backports i recieve that it has unmet
dependencies
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3400[22:14:26] <imeanmean> hexnewbie
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3401[22:14:26] <imeanmean>
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3402[22:14:30] <hexnewbie> cerealkill3r: What's the exact
output of: aptitude -t jessie-backports install
"linux-image-amd64"
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