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59 [01:09:26] <Pr0metheus> I am trying to setup samba on my
desktop computer following (replaced-url
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88 [01:33:26] <novilog> On my live USB, but still no
persistence. I also notice that I cannot mount any partition on the
same USB that I'm booted from. Perhaps this issue is related to
why I can't boot successfully when I enable the persistence
parameter?
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142 [02:57:43] <dos1> hmm... there's
replaced-url
143 [02:57:48] <dos1> any idea what could be going on there?
144 [02:58:11] <dos1> deb [arch=amd64,i386]
replaced-url
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153 [03:12:06] <zfs_scrub> I'm not sure if asking for
troubleshooting help in here is frowned upon, but can someone tell
me why /etc/apt/preferences does absolutely nothing? After an
update, apt-cache policy shows no change in behaviour.
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165 [03:23:46] <zfs_scrub> It seems you guys are asleep.
I'll go do the same.
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169 [03:25:05] <Dice-Man> hello i'm using the latest debian
iso (with xfce) for 32 bits machines. I'm using it on
virtualbox. The installation goes well but i'm stuck at boot
with loading please wait. I have tried to put the nomodeset boot
parameter by pressing the "e" keys at boot. How can i
solve this problem. Thanks
170 [03:25:27] <Dice-Man> i'm using grub
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173 [03:29:28] <Dice-Man> i've checked the md5sum hash given
on website and it's ok
174 [03:29:43] <Dice-Man> *of the iso
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183 [03:35:43] <goodafternoon> hi
184 [03:36:40] <goodafternoon> how to get the firefox version
59.0 ? apt upgrade say that it's up-to-date
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193 [03:44:22] <Tom-_> i think you'll have to go to
replaced-url
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205 [04:01:46] <niatpac> anyone know why my apt package manager
points to a source list file >
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft.list | I have never seen a
microsoft.list file in a linux system before
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207 [04:02:06] <niatpac> I found it when i was trying to alter my
sources list to add repos
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a microsoft product as root.
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344 [08:20:54] <BoBeR182> Does anyone know how I could repackage
mlmmj to include the correct maintainer list
345 [08:20:55] <BoBeR182>
replaced-url
346 [08:20:56] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
347 [08:21:13] <BoBeR182> currently it's still run on a old
mailing list that's now nonexistant
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411 [09:42:24] <diogenes_> just curious, are there any devuan
users in this channel?
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413 [09:43:46] <jelly> it's very likely the answer is yes
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415 [09:44:44] <diogenes_> jelly: maybe some of the debian devs
too?
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443 [10:08:52] <Jonno_FTW> hello
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445 [10:09:18] <Jonno_FTW> I have a fresh vps running debian 7,
how do I update it to 9?
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448 [10:11:17] <Brigo> Jonno_FTW, first update it to 8 and the to
9.
449 [10:12:07] <choice> Hello! Today after 'apt-get update
&& apt-get upgrade', Debian told me 'The following
package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
libuuid-perl'
450 [10:12:19] <choice> Is that normal? I wonder how a dependency
can suddenly be obsolete?
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452 [10:12:51] <Jonno_FTW> Brigo: do I need change apt sources
list? or will dist-upgrade do that for me?
453 [10:12:57] <Brigo> choice, it's normal. You can remove
those kind of packages with apt autoremove if you want.
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455 [10:13:38] <Brigo> Jonno_FTW, you have to chante
sources.list. Sadly apt can't read you mind yet, sadly.
456 [10:13:55] <choice> Brigo: How did that happen? I thought
'apt update && apt upgrade' would only get bug
fixes?
457 [10:14:56] <Brigo> choice, apt upgrade installs doesn't
remove package just installs new package.
458 [10:15:16] <choice> Brigo: I mean why is a package suddenly
obsolete?
459 [10:16:20] <Brigo> it is not obsolete it just stop being a
dependencie of other package. You have to find what package is that
and ask the maintainer.
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461 [10:16:38] <Brigo> choice, as i said, it happens a lol.
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474 [10:27:33] <beepnboop-> hello grub and os-prober don't
detect my secondary os(windows), tried grub-update, add lines in
grub-custom file, tried reinstalling grub again. nothing worked
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476 [10:28:32] <bolovanos> what free vpn service provider would
you suggest for Debian sarge (ideally using open vpn client...)?
477 [10:28:40] <noodlepie> tried grub-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub/grub.cfg?
478 [10:28:48] <noodlepie> then "grub-install"
479 [10:29:13] <beepnboop-> yea i did that noodlepie
480 [10:29:22] <beepnboop-> i think
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482 [10:29:34] <beepnboop-> i cant remember, i did something with
config
483 [10:29:41] <noodlepie> grub-mkconfig should detect the
winders drive
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485 [10:30:02] <noodlepie> beepnboop-, maybe try it again?
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487 [10:30:11] <Brigo> beepnboop-, what windows version?
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489 [10:31:08] <beepnboop-> went from 7 to 10(sadly)
490 [10:32:21] <fChanX> Windows is intollerable. D: The best
thing that ever happened to me, was that blue screen. :D
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492 [10:32:48] <noodlepie> Windows is by gay people for gay
people
493 [10:33:01] <noodlepie> Linux is by technical people for
technical people
494 [10:33:15] <beepnboop-> until u want to game on it
495 [10:33:19] <beepnboop-> or fl studio
496 [10:33:24] <beepnboop-> or foobar
497 [10:33:24] <fChanX> Gay in the South Park sense of the word.
498 [10:33:28] <beepnboop-> or photoshop
499 [10:33:46] <fChanX> Until you want to do teenager things on
it.*
500 [10:34:08] * noodlepie can program Mandelbrot fractals
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503 [10:34:27] <noodlepie> some to see are at
replaced-url
504 [10:34:33] <Brigo> beepnboop-, can you paste the output of
fdisk -l ?
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506 [10:34:45] <beepnboop-> teenager? you do realise that gaming
is hobby for all ages
507 [10:34:57] <beepnboop-> there are people at their 60's
playing games
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512 [10:35:49] <fChanX> It is okay for when a boyfriend is too
much to cope with lol. Then there can be games, like a scratch-post
for cats, but for him.
513 [10:35:52] <fChanX> :p
514 [10:36:43] <fChanX> Cats anoying? Scratch-post. Kids anoying?
Toys. Boyfriend anoying? Games. :|
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520 [10:38:15] <dokma> How do I force ssh to open an app on
remote machine instead of "figuring out" I have the same
app locally and launching a local one???
521 [10:39:08] <dokma> I was trying to forward a web browser from
the remote machine to local display in order to retrieve a saved
password.
522 [10:39:47] <Brigo> dokma, from graphic environment run ssh -X
remoetemachineip and launch the browser.
523 [10:40:01] <dokma> Brigo: that's what I did
524 [10:40:14] <Brigo> it works for me.
525 [10:40:21] <dokma> but ssh somehow figures out I have the
browser locally as well and launches the local one
526 [10:40:31] <at0m> dokma: maybe easier to scp the web
browser's ~/.$browser profile to local machine. i find ssh
X-forwarding is way slow.
527 [10:40:36] <dokma> It usually works for me too
528 [10:40:51] <at0m> dokma: yea you have to close the browser on
the local machine
529 [10:41:02] <Brigo> dokma, i think you get the ip wrong or
something.
530 [10:41:09] <at0m> Brigo: nope
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532 [10:41:15] <at0m> x-forwarding exposes much of the client
machine to the sshd.
533 [10:41:33] <at0m> keyboard, mouse, desktop
534 [10:42:43] <dokma> at0m: closing the local instance did the
trick! Thank you!
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537 [10:44:07] <deicide-> bash: fdisk: command not found
538 [10:44:10] <Brigo> at0m, new for me, thanks :)
539 [10:44:16] <deicide-> Brigo,
540 [10:44:19] <Brigo> deicide-, are you root?
541 [10:44:42] <deicide-> i need to pasta site
542 [10:44:50] <Brigo> paste.debian.net will work
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545 [10:45:39] <deicide->
replaced-url
546 [10:46:48] <deicide-> its in partition of one of the 5.5tb
547 [10:46:55] <deicide-> but its not showing up
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549 [10:47:22] <at0m> Brigo, dokma: exactly that "open
url/browser on x-forwarded machine opens url/tab in local
machine's browser" scenario revealed so much of ssh
client's exposure to the sshd. so only ever x-forward from
trusted sshd's.
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552 [10:49:04] <at0m> .. and i guess the same goes for any ssh
forwarding
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559 [10:51:04] <Brigo> beepnboop-, are you deicide- ?
560 [10:51:43] <deicide-> beep is my laptop
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563 [10:53:47] <deicide-> anyway
564 [10:53:53] <deicide-> whats the verdict
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567 [10:56:41] <Brigo> deicide-, i think uefi and legacy mode are
not compatible, and you are using both.
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569 [10:57:33] <Brigo> deicide-, you can try changing from one to
the other in the bios and you should be able of booting from
whatever you want.
570 [10:57:33] * ArahaelPi wonders what triggered Sigyn there.
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572 [10:59:14] <deicide-> in grub i have something listed as
windows 7, when i try to open it it says error invalid signature
573 [10:59:29] <deicide-> i assume it the the lines i added to
custom profile?
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576 [11:01:31] <Brigo> deicide-, probably.
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582 [11:04:08] <at0m> !dual boot guide
583 [11:04:08] <dpkg> A guide for setting up dual boot with
Windows 7 can be found at
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587 [11:06:14] <deicide-> i know how to dual boot
588 [11:06:26] <deicide-> it worked untill i needed to reinstall
windows
589 [11:06:55] <deicide-> what was the other command someone told
me to do
590 [11:08:26] <petn-randall> !fixmbr
591 [11:08:26] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
592 [11:08:31] <petn-randall> deicide-: This one? ^^^
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596 [11:10:58] <tdn> I have a bunch of removable disks that I use
for backups. These disks are encrypted with LUKS. I do not have them
in crypttab because they are typically not present at boot time. Can
I add entries for these in crypttab and fstab and have them only
unlocked/mounted on demand?
597 [11:11:15] <tdn> I am afraid putting them in crypttab will
cause bootup to stop
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599 [11:11:58] <at0m> tdn: noauto option in fstab?
600 [11:12:08] <at0m> or, crypttab, for that matter
601 [11:12:50] <tdn> at0m, yeah, noauto in fstab will work for
mount on demand. But what about crypttab? Does that have a noauto?
602 [11:13:11] <tdn> Sorry did not find this in the man page
603 [11:13:17] <tdn> But it is there
604 [11:13:24] <tdn> Not sure why I couldnt find it before.
605 [11:14:19] <at0m> glad you found it now =)
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608 [11:15:42] <tdn> So I guess I will need an entry like this
one: "enc_data UUID=xxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxx noauto
luks" is that correct?
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610 [11:16:31] <tdn> Then I put a line like this into fstab:
"/dev/mapper/enc_data /enc_data ext4 noauto 0 0", correct?
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613 [11:16:52] <at0m> no idea for crypttab
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615 [11:17:04] <tdn> And then when I will unlock crypt disk and
mount it, I just do "mount /enc_data"? Will mount then
know to look in crypttab before doing the actual mount?
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618 [11:17:35] <tdn> Or will I need to run cryptdisks_start?
(Then it will try to mount _all_ entries in crypttab which is not
what I want)
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620 [11:17:46] <deicide-> no
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635 [11:18:09] <tdn> deicide-, ok?
636 [11:18:14] <beepnboop-> <noodlepie> tried grub-mkconfig
-o /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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638 [11:18:43] <tdn> deicide-, no to which part? Having to run
cryptdisks_start?
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642 [11:19:07] <deicide-> that didn't do anything
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645 [11:19:44] <deicide-> starting to lose hope on it ever going
to be fixed
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647 [11:20:04] <deicide-> unless i reinstall debian
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664 [11:32:22] <Brigo> deicide-, and reformat the disk, make it
gpt so you can use uefi.
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686 [11:53:35] <Kelsar> how to get a bit more verbose output with
dpkg or apt-get. only get: subprocess new pre-installation script
returned error exit status 1
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690 [11:55:35] <Brigo> Kelsar, it can't. It is saying a
script failed, and it can't kown why.
691 [11:57:13] <at0m> right, unless the script itself explains,
or you check the pre-installation script
692 [11:58:02] <Kelsar> missing java... stupid elasticsearch...
693 [11:58:08] <at0m> Kelsar: maybe check
/var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.pre-inst
694 [11:58:55] <at0m> or, as a nobrainer, apt -f install
695 [11:59:48] <themill> it very likely does say earlier in the
output
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698 [12:02:49] <deicide-> how do i start software through
terminal?
699 [12:02:51] <deicide-> sudo start?
700 [12:03:56] <Jonno_FTW> I tried upgrading from debian 8-9 and
I get this error: Errors were encountered while processing:
openssh-server rsyslog task-ssh-server
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704 [12:07:20] <petn-randall> !bat
705 [12:07:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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706 [12:07:36] <deicide-> !sudo
707 [12:07:37] <dpkg> [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by
default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me
about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super
user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things
like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with
"username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also
<sudo path>.
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708 [12:07:37] <petn-randall> Hi Jonno_FTW, can you provide *all*
of the above info in a single paste? ^^^
709 [12:07:56] <deicide-> !help
710 [12:08:10] <petn-randall> deicide-: You need to be more
specific to get a meaningful answer.
711 [12:08:29] <deicide-> i want to run steam
712 [12:08:32] <petn-randall> deicide-: "sudo
<command>" will run any command as root, assuming you
have sudo permissions.
713 [12:08:32] <deicide-> how do i do that
714 [12:08:33] <Jonno_FTW> actually turns out I only needed to
reboot
715 [12:08:45] <petn-randall> deicide-: That does not need root
permissions.
716 [12:08:59] <deicide-> it doesn't run at all
717 [12:09:05] <deicide-> whats the command
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721 [12:10:45] <Kohlrabi> Hello, is there a specific place to ask
debian-installer related questions, especially regarding preseeding?
722 [12:10:47] <petn-randall> deicide-: The command for what?
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724 [12:11:13] <petn-randall> deicide-: How did you install
steam?
725 [12:11:19] <deicide-> to run software from the terminal
726 [12:11:27] <deicide-> execute
727 [12:12:09] <petn-randall> deicide-: Just type the command??
728 [12:12:23] <petn-randall> I'm not sure if you're
trolling or not.
729 [12:12:33] <deicide-> i don't know the command thats
what i'm asking
730 [12:12:49] <deicide-> i tried sudo start sudo run sudo
execute
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732 [12:12:52] <deicide-> nothing worked
733 [12:14:40] <petn-randall> deicide-: THE COMMAND FOR WHAT?!
734 [12:14:43] <at0m> deicide-: skip the start/run/execute, just
sudo $command.
735 [12:15:01] <at0m> only if $command requires root, ofc
736 [12:15:35] <petn-randall> deicide-: You don't know the
command, and you're refusing to tell us what you want to do.
How are we supposed to help you?
737 [12:15:38] <petn-randall> !goal
738 [12:15:39] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
739 [12:15:50] <deicide-> do you know what RUN means?!
740 [12:15:58] <deicide-> runing a software
741 [12:16:00] <deicide-> program
742 [12:16:01] <frankzinger> he wants to run steam. the command
is steam. type 'steam'
743 [12:16:01] <at0m> lol
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745 [12:16:15] <petn-randall> deicide-: Just type
"steam" in the terminal to run it.
746 [12:16:17] <deicide-> sudo: steam: command not found
747 [12:16:24] <petn-randall> deicide-: I guess you didn't
install it then.
748 [12:16:25] <at0m> does steam require root?
749 [12:16:28] <petn-randall> no
750 [12:16:35] <at0m> so why sudo!?
751 [12:16:41] <deicide-> i did install steam
752 [12:16:50] <petn-randall> deicide-: How?
753 [12:16:50] <at0m> deicide-: run "whereis steam"
754 [12:16:58] <deicide-> sudo apt-get install steam
755 [12:17:16] <deicide-> i'm trying to run it, i cant run
it from clicking the icon
756 [12:17:18] <petn-randall> deicide-: And what did it output?
757 [12:17:21] <Brigo> you don't have to run steam as root,
right?
758 [12:17:26] <at0m> ^
759 [12:17:48] <slax0r> no, no you don't
760 [12:17:54] <petn-randall> Cool, didn't know about
`whereis`, have been using `which` for ages.
761 [12:18:01] <deicide-> steam:i386 is already the newest
version (1.0.0.54-2).
762 [12:18:02] <at0m> :)
763 [12:18:25] <deicide-> doing steam doesnt run it either just
post wall of text
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766 [12:18:46] <Brigo> deicide-, paste that wall of text, please.
767 [12:18:56] <at0m> in pastebin.
768 [12:19:09] <deicide->
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770 [12:21:24] <deicide-> !start
771 [12:22:20] <Brigo> deicide-, there is some problem with that
steam. Is the debian one?
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773 [12:22:50] <deicide-> i dunno
774 [12:23:10] <dfcnvt> I just learned there's a
notifications showed up in the lock screen --- I checked on my
notification panel and learned it's already disabled as shown
here:
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775 [12:23:37] <dfcnvt> So, what could make this nofication
violate this? Separate program?
776 [12:24:02] <deicide-> why would it be other version of steam
777 [12:24:20] <Brigo> deicide-, if you installed it with apt
install and there is no outside sources of pakages in sources.list,
then yes, its the debian package.
778 [12:25:02] <deicide-> linux is pain in the ass
779 [12:25:06] <deicide-> nothing but problems
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782 [12:25:22] <Brigo> deicide-, just for you, for me it always
worked perfect :)
783 [12:26:54] <Brigo> deicide-, can you run glxgears ?
784 [12:27:15] <deicide-> error
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786 [12:28:07] * themill wonders if there's a verbosity setting
that can be turned up
787 [12:28:38] <deicide->
replaced-url
788 [12:28:54] <Brigo> deicide-, run this now:
LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxgears
789 [12:29:29] <deicide->
replaced-url
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791 [12:30:35] <Brigo> i think in this link there is the
explanation and the workaround:
replaced-url
792 [12:30:45] <Brigo> not straightforward though
793 [12:30:51] <deicide-> whats glxgears
794 [12:31:03] <Brigo> deicide-, a silly programs for testing.
795 [12:31:16] <Brigo> if it don't work is the system with
is failing not steam.
796 [12:31:29] <Brigo> s/with/that/
797 [12:32:16] <Brigo> in that link i just posted is saying it is
because a wrong link.
798 [12:32:56] <deicide-> i give up
799 [12:36:28] <Brigo> deicide-, are you using nvidia graphic
card?
800 [12:36:38] <deicide-> 2 of them
801 [12:36:57] <Brigo> have you installed nvidia drivers from
debian non-free?
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803 [12:37:06] <deicide-> yes
804 [12:37:41] <Brigo> are you sure you installed the right ones?
805 [12:38:12] <deicide-> i'm not sure at anything
806 [12:38:38] <Kohlrabi> deicide-: Just a hint, from my testing
half of the games advertised on Steam as being compatible to Linux
do not run in pratice. Save yourself the headache and just do
multiboot.
807 [12:38:48] <deicide->
replaced-url
808 [12:39:18] <deicide-> i used the command from this
809 [12:39:33] <deicide-> i still want steam chat Kohlrabi
810 [12:39:42] <Kohlrabi> OK, that might work :)
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813 [12:41:22] <Brigo> deicide-, i won't see the whole
video, but it looks right.
814 [12:41:51] <Brigo> it looks you installed boomblebee. I
don't know how that works.
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816 [12:43:24] <deicide-> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install
bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386
817 [12:44:16] <deicide-> yea
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822 [12:49:06] <bolovanos> hithere - how can i disable rpcbind on
startup (debian 9)?
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825 [12:54:33] <Brigo> deicide-, you could uninstall
bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386 and try again, just for
testing.
826 [12:55:31] <Brigo> bolovanos, there is a rpcbind service you
can disable.
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829 [12:59:13] <bolovanos> Brigo, hi - found this, but it does
not work
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830 [12:59:24] <bolovanos> update-rc.d nfs-common disable
831 [12:59:24] <bolovanos> update-rc.d: error: cannot find a LSB
script for nfs-common
832 [12:59:34] <Kohlrabi> deicide-: bumblebee is not at all
necessary if you don't want to run games
833 [12:59:48] <bolovanos> update-rc.d rpcbind disable
834 [12:59:49] <bolovanos> insserv: warning: current start
runlevel(s) (empty) of script `rpcbind' overrides LSB defaults
(S).
835 [12:59:49] <bolovanos> insserv: warning: current stop
runlevel(s) (0 1 6 S) of script `rpcbind' overrides LSB
defaults (0 1 6).
836 [12:59:52] <Kohlrabi> i.e. you do not need to use the
additional nvidia-gpu for that
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849 [13:04:45] <tdn> I have installed xrdp and I can connect
using rdesktop from a client. But when I log in the screen is just
blank/teal. How do I get an actual desktop environment?
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853 [13:05:51] <Brigo> bolovanos, it is using systemvinit
technics not available in debian 9. Uses systemd
854 [13:07:25] <Brigo> i think systemctl disable rpcbind.service
is what you need
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856 [13:12:42] <bolovanos> Brigo,
replaced-url
857 [13:12:45] <bolovanos> thank you
858 [13:13:19] <Brigo> bolovanos, np
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893 [13:52:53] <Psy-Q> can you somehow bake an installer ISO that
includes the Nvidia proprietary driver? i heard from someone whose
monitors shut off and never come back when Nouveau is used, so he
doesn't get too far after installing
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896 [13:54:45] <snooky> hi all
897 [13:55:32] <petn-randall> Psy-Q: Not without a lot of work.
898 [13:55:52] <snooky> wie kann ich eigene kurztasten machen?
also z.b. wenn man ja strg+alt+fX drückt kommt man ja auf die
konsole. wie kann ich z.b. strg+fY und dann sperrt der den
bildschirm, oder macht mir nen terminal auf oder sowas
899 [13:56:02] <Psy-Q> petn-randall: hm, that's what i
thought :)
900 [13:56:09] <petn-randall> Psy-Q: It's probably easier to
install with a different graphics card or on a different machine,
then put the disk back in place.
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903 [13:56:34] <snooky> sorry. wrong channel
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905 [13:56:38] <petn-randall> snooky: You might want to ask in
english here :)
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909 [14:01:05] <abso> any1 can help me install
910 [14:01:16] <abso> nvidia drivers in old laptop?
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935 [14:24:28] <dob1> hi, I would like to buy an ssd, my doubt
is: how to execute firmware upgrade on linux? depends on the brand?
maybe if you can suggest me one
936 [14:25:28] <moldy> probably depends on the brand, yes
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938 [14:25:54] <moldy> i've never needed to upgrade an SSD
firmware, are you sure you have to?
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941 [14:26:37] <dob1> moldy, I don't know but it's not
better to have the option to do it ?
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943 [14:27:14] <moldy> maybe, but you can still boot windows if
all else fails
944 [14:27:39] <moldy> FWIW, i've been running linux for
more than 10 years and never had that problem ;)
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946 [14:27:53] <dob1> I will not have linux on the pc I am going
to install debian
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948 [14:28:42] <moldy> dob1: hmm? debian is linux?
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950 [14:28:56] <dob1> ops, windows :)
951 [14:29:13] <dob1> there will be only debian on the pc
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953 [14:30:29] <moldy> dob1: i wouldn't worry about it.
954 [14:31:15] <moldy> but to answer the question: yes, it
depends on the SSD / manufacturer
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956 [14:32:32] <dob1> it seems that samsung is a better choice
957 [14:32:47] <moldy> they are a fine choice IME
958 [14:32:51] <dob1>
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980 [14:46:22] <dob1> I am not sure if Realtek 8118 lan interface
is supported by kernel, where to look to be sure?
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986 [14:52:03] <fpat> dob1: grep the
".config-"-something file of your running kernel in /boot
987 [14:52:19] <fpat> config, without dot
988 [14:53:34] <dob1> it seems not
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990 [14:54:08] <fpat> could be covered by the package
"firmware-realtek"
991 [14:54:23] <fpat> but its non-free
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993 [14:56:11] <dob1> but, I can choice, I have to buy a new
mothercard. the processor will be a i5 8400, where to look for a
compatible mothercard (nic etc) ?
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998 [14:58:22] <noodlepie> Its really good for the money ($150)
but needs a distro ROM (it came with bootsektor unlocked for ROM but
which kernel do I use...?). I have emailed the company for GPL
changes but no reply as yet
999 [14:59:00] <fpat> dob1: you could google for a hardware
compatibility list
1000 [14:59:46] <fpat> just: debian hardware compatibility list
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1002 [15:00:00] <dob1> I was there
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1004 [15:00:12] <fpat> no findings?
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1007 [15:01:38] <dob1> I don't understand how to use it for
my request
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1009 [15:01:47] <petn-randall> dob1: Different manufacturers
provide different ways to support firmware upgrades. There's no
simple rule how it's supported under Linux.
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1011 [15:01:58] <fpat> dob1: okay, lets see
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1013 [15:02:16] <fpat> dob1: do you know the vendor and model type
of the motherboard?
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1016 [15:04:31] <dob1> for example gigabyte B360M DS3H, it seems
supported because I found an article where someone use it for a
linux pc (replaced-url
1017 [15:05:14] <fpat> oh yes, you are quite capable of helping
yourself, i see now
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1020 [15:06:00] <fpat> problem is - when i may be honest, these
drivers situation makes many people upset
1021 [15:06:01] <dob1> debian hardware list imho, can't give
me any help
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1024 [15:07:38] <fpat> dob1: and
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1025 [15:07:53] <dob1> I don't want to download external
module to be compiled into the kernel or whatever. I would like to
have all the system supported by debian
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1027 [15:08:06] <fpat> yes, like me then
1028 [15:08:13] <greycat> Then buy hardware that is known to work
with 100% free software.
1029 [15:08:17] <fpat> i dont want to deal with drivers at all
1030 [15:08:29] <greycat> Then buy hardware that is known to work
with 100% free software and is old enough to be supported in stable
releases.
1031 [15:10:01] <dob1> greycat, I know, going for old hardware can
be an option, but it's not like, let's say 10-15 years
ago, there is like 2 milions motherboard
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1036 [15:12:13] <fpat> dob1: 6-8 months more time i would say. not
10 years
1037 [15:13:16] <fpat> you have alternatives. like buying your
computer from dell where you can select your os
1038 [15:13:43] <dob1> I am googling :)
1039 [15:13:49] <fpat> :)
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1055 [15:25:39] <dob1> I found this one, if someone interested,
replaced-url
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1057 [15:27:07] <dob1> debian it's not listed but I think
that is just based on kernel version of the distribution listed in
the table
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1062 [15:36:45] <JyZyXEL> is it ok to modify *.service files under
/lib/systemd/system/, or is there a better way to override the
defaults?
1063 [15:37:18] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Add them to
/etc/systemd/system/, they will be overridden there.
1064 [15:37:26] <greycat> JyZyXEL:
replaced-url
1065 [15:37:46] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: To clarify: if you add a
systemd unit there, it will take preference over the one in
/lib/systemd/system/.
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1067 [15:38:08] <greycat> and there's the drop-in directory
thing if you only want to tweak one instead of copying and editing
the entire thing
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1075 [15:40:12] <JyZyXEL> i was thinking of adding a ExecStartPre=
for fancontrol.service to check if 'amdgpu' is loaded and
use either /etc/fancontrol.nogpu or /etc/fancontrol.gpu depending
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1128 [16:23:01] <Enissay> Any short way to Mads rename files such
01.json 01.db 01.config 02.json.... To 001.json....
1129 [16:23:19] <Enissay> Adding additional 0 when only 2 digits
1130 [16:24:30] <Enissay> Mv 01.json 001.json => how to make it
run for all
1131 [16:24:31] <greycat> prename s/^/0/ [0-9][0-9].*
1132 [16:24:35] <linux8659> join #gnome
1133 [16:24:51] <Enissay> Hmmm
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1138 [16:26:10] <linux8659> sorry /
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1150 [16:38:51] <nrubsig> Does Debian have |fpsetmask()| ?
1151 [16:39:37] <Enissay> greycat: Thks man. It says deprecated
but did the job ;-)
1152 [16:40:06] <greycat> Yeah, I'm not happy about that
stupid warning.
1153 [16:40:24] <themill> it's just called
"file-rename" now
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1155 [16:40:30] <greycat> Apparently someone in Debian thought
"we should make users type rename instead of prename" but
then that breaks on Red Hat systems which have a DIFFERENT rename
command.
1156 [16:40:39] <greycat> So the obviously RIGHT thing to do, as a
user, is to invoke prename instead of rename.
1157 [16:40:42] <nrubsig> Enissay: Well, line perfectly matches M$
Windows - all say its "deprecisted" but for the average
"idiot office user" it does the job, perfectly
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1159 [16:40:53] <themill> (the warning about prename was also a
bug that has since been fixed)
1160 [16:41:09] <nrubsig> s/deprecisted/deprecated /
1161 [16:41:12] <themill> greycat: no, that's not what
happened at all
1162 [16:43:31] <greycat> nrubsig: when I google that, I get man
pages from FreeBSD and OpenBSD, and the FreeBSD page says it's
deprecated and you should be using fenv(3) instead. Then
there's
replaced-url
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1194 [17:11:25] <greycat> Hmm. the "list of files" in
replaced-url
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1196 [17:12:22] <themill> packages.d.o file lists are somehow
rather broken
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1198 [17:13:33] <themill> also, some of it is done by alternatives
so not shipped in the package
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1201 [17:14:08] <greycat> I mean, I literally did "dpkg -x
rename<TAB> ~/tmp/x" and "cd ~/tmp/x" and
"find ."
1202 [17:14:42] <themill> sure
1203 [17:14:47] <greycat> And I see files like
./usr/share/perl5/File/Rename/Options.pm which simply are not on the
web page.
1204 [17:14:57] <Enissay> nrubsig: lol ;-)
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1217 [17:28:59] <Kohlrabi> When I follow this guide
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1253 [18:07:25] <dtux> what do people use for backup? i've
been trying out deja-dup and really like it, but it is unbearably
slow and seemingly unaccommodating to system backups (e.g. etc/)
since root never logs in. have others experienced these issues?
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1257 [18:09:53] <HicksD> backup depends on how you want to backup,
to external hdd, cloud, own server etc I used obnam in the past but
currently using borg and if it holds up will be switching to that.
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1260 [18:12:17] <dtux> well, i have an external RAID1 drive i
planned to use, but i discovered mounting google drive through gnome
with deja-dup. so i've been trying to use that. it works, just
very slow (and was even when i was trying with the external drive)
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1278 [18:25:52] <hiya> how to set a root crontab for this command
"cat /etc/letsencrypt/live/xx/{privkey,fullchain}.pem >
/home/ora/.znc/znc.pem"
1279 [18:26:13] <hiya> i want it to do every hour
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1281 [18:26:44] <dtux> hiya: sudo crontab -e
1282 [18:26:54] <hiya> # Run the `something` command every hour on
the hour
1283 [18:26:54] <hiya> 0 * * * * /sbin/something
1284 [18:26:57] <hiya> I used this ^
1285 [18:27:10] <hiya> but it doesn't work, what it does is
empties the znc.pem
1286 [18:27:10] <dtux> (maybe just cp would work?)
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1288 [18:27:25] <dtux> hiya: well, you're overwriting each
time
1289 [18:27:27] <dtux> try >>
1290 [18:27:41] <hiya> but when i try the command manually it
works fine?
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1292 [18:30:28] <hiya> cat command doesn't work in crontab?
1293 [18:30:51] <dtux> it should work fine
1294 [18:31:09] <hiya> except it isn't?
1295 [18:31:11] <dtux> are you getting an error?
1296 [18:31:16] <hiya> how to check for error?
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1298 [18:31:54] <dtux> i think crontab mails the user by default
(less /var/mail/$CRONTAB_USER)
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1301 [18:33:16] <lechucknet> crontab mails the user by default???
1302 [18:33:19] <lechucknet> :/
1303 [18:34:01] <dtux> I'm not actually sure about that :/ it
does on my macbook, but not on my desktop... at least it can
certainly be configured to do that.
1304 [18:34:10] <dtux> alternatively, you could try redirect
stderr to a file
1305 [18:34:29] <dtux> cat /whatever > znc.pem 2> errors.txt
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1309 [18:41:09] <jelly> lechucknet: yes, any output gets mailed at
the end of a job
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1319 [18:49:35] <awer> shot in the dark.. anyone know what this
translates to in english please?
replaced-url
1320 [18:49:51] <Iridos> lechucknet, it's only been like this
for about a quarter century, though ^^
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1328 [18:55:44] <Iridos> awer, just draw it into google translate
or one of the other sites that let you draw
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1335 [19:03:54] <awer> Iridos: didnt know you could draw in Google
Translate!
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1337 [19:05:18] <jelly> the app yes, the web site no
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1343 [19:08:24] <Iridos> the website yes
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1345 [19:08:49] <jelly> I don't see anywhere to draw on the
site
1346 [19:09:01] <Iridos> you select the input method
1347 [19:09:36] <jelly> how?
1348 [19:09:37] <Iridos> "Chinese simplified -
handwrite" …
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1351 [19:09:47] <Iridos> klick on the pen on the lower left
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1353 [19:10:10] <jelly> oh
1354 [19:10:14] <Iridos> ^^
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1357 [19:12:51] <jelly> ah, suhosin
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1361 [19:14:04] <jelly> awer: did you get that from suhosin.org
web page
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1378 [19:27:11] <awer> jelly: no, it was connected to a phpmyinfo
file from a pentest
1379 [19:27:30] <awer> jelly: CTF competition
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1382 [19:28:14] <awer> Iridos: gave that drawing thing a go,
didn't work
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1384 [19:28:34] <awer> update: on reddit im told it is Korean for
"Guardian Angel"
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1386 [19:30:10] <jelly> I drew one character at a time and it
worked
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1400 [19:38:18] <edgeWr> i have installed libgl1-mesa-dri and
libgl1-mesa-glx from stretch backport. but still sitting in front of
1024x768. dmesg suggests the following [drm:radeon_pci_probe
[radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later
requires firmware-amd-graphics.
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1403 [19:39:07] <edgeWr> after installing that and rebooting, im
stuck on blackscreen. with either stretch and stretch backport
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1406 [19:41:04] <edgeWr> did i miss out on the 'base'
driver and only install some kind of support maybe?
1407 [19:41:05] <novilog> Hey debians, I've just noticed that
tty3-6 failed to start. I tried starting the getty 3 service with
systemctl, but it failed silently. Anyone know why the consoles
would fail to start or how to debug it? I'm running Debian
9.5.0 live+nonfree with persistence on an Acer c720 Chromebook.
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1409 [19:44:13] <jelly> novilog: if you change to ctrl-alt-f3 and
press enter does the login prompt appear?
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1412 [19:44:31] <novilog> jelly: Negative
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1414 [19:45:11] <jelly> perhaps the live image intentionally has a
reduced number of getty services generated
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1416 [19:45:52] <novilog> jelly: I ran a check with systemctl
list-units | grep getty
1417 [19:46:03] <novilog> jelly: It returned that the terminals
existed, but failed to start
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1421 [19:47:38] <jelly> novilog: here's what status looks
when it works:
replaced-url
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1425 [19:49:47] <jelly> list-units won't show the generated
service before it starts
1426 [19:50:37] <novilog> jelly: I ran systemctl with status on
tty3, and it said Active was in the failed state, that it scheduled
a restart, but that failed, and then it quit
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1429 [19:51:35] <novilog> It just failed with
"start-limit-hit" flag
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1431 [19:51:55] <jelly> is there something else on tty3-6?
1432 [19:52:30] <novilog> Considering that the services are all in
failed states, I don't think so, but I'm not sure. How do
I check?
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1439 [19:54:33] <jelly> the stupid way, lsof -n | grep
'tty[3-6]'
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1441 [19:56:28] <annadane> good GUI file managers which allow
scripting and/or easily customizable keyboard shortcuts?
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1444 [19:57:22] <novilog> jelly: Looks like there's just one
process running in root on tty6
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1448 [19:58:16] <novilog> well I'm really not even sure what
to make of what I got back. I'll paste it for you, one sec.
1449 [19:58:39] <jelly> systemd-logind? I got that on a normal
stretch installation on tty6
1450 [19:58:58] <jelly> it does not prevent getty starting
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1453 [20:00:23] <novilog> jelly: I'm going to send you a /msg
heads up
1454 [20:02:26] <jelly> novilog: ps -fp 1405 will show the full
process name
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1456 [20:02:54] <jelly> so that's not different than here
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1459 [20:03:28] <jelly> no idea, maybe ask #debian-live on
irc.oftc.net if they did something special
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1461 [20:04:27] <novilog> Alright. oftc.net instead of
#debian-live on irc.debian.org?
1462 [20:04:41] <jelly> oftc IS irc.debian.org, same thing
1463 [20:04:54] <novilog> Ahhh. :ok_hand:
1464 [20:05:00] <novilog> jelly: Thank you so much for your help
1465 [20:05:32] <jelly> ah, I see you've already asked in
there last night
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1468 [20:06:10] <jelly> maybe just idle and wait if someone
answers
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1471 [20:06:56] <novilog> jelly: Different question last night
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1474 [20:09:10] <novilog> I was still trying to get the live usb
up and running. I was having some kind of weird issue at boot that I
couldn't figure out. Turned out that for whatever reason, when
the live image was copied to the USB it wasn't copying the full
live image, so the padding was off, and when I wrote the secondary
partition, it was writing over the bits if the live image. I wound
up having to extract the image to a
1475 [20:09:16] <novilog> premade partition and install the
bootloader myself to ensure there was proper padding.
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knowledge and wisdom!")
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1561 [21:00:06] <edgeWr> hey all: i did run echo deb
replaced-url
1562 [21:00:12] <edgeWr> i wanted to install
replaced-url
1563 [21:00:27] <edgeWr> but this is really bad, isnt it? i
installed stretch
1564 [21:00:32] <edgeWr> and i want to keep it
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1568 [21:01:08] <dutchfish> edgeWr, that wont work (short answer)
since alot depends on that, if you update that part for the system.
1569 [21:01:24] <joepublic> to undo your really bad you might want
to, as root, change the word buster to the word stretch in that
file.
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1571 [21:02:16] <edgeWr> ok thanks, please if you dont mind, also
see my inxi -G output: Graphics: Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices
[AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X] driver: N/A
1572 [21:02:16] <edgeWr> Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver:
ati,fbdev unloaded: modesetting,radeon,vesa
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1575 [21:02:58] <edgeWr> i blacklisted radeon and it helped with
the blackscreen after no-free software was installed
1576 [21:03:38] <joepublic> I use the free amd drivers, but many
use the nonfree ones and could help you.
1577 [21:04:09] <edgeWr> by free amd you mean official?
1578 [21:04:16] <dutchfish> edgeWr, that is as good as it gets in
Stretch, if you are a expirienced user, Debian/testing has better
support for that video card. (amdgpu driver)
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1580 [21:04:36] <joepublic> By free I mean DFSG ~= not proprietary
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1583 [21:05:54] <dutchfish> joepublic, edgeWr with installing
nonfree, you ment the firmware, i suppose?
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1585 [21:06:58] <dutchfish> edgeWr, the open amdgpu driver needs
firmware from nonfree.
1586 [21:06:59] <edgeWr> dutchfish: so driver: N/A is really the
best case? *shurg* i mean im using firmware-amd-graphics
(20180518-1~bpo9+1) already.
1587 [21:07:06] <edgeWr> dutchfish, yes the firmware
1588 [21:07:12] <joepublic> The free radeon and amdgpu drivers
require nonfree firmware. The nonfree driver likewise makes use of
nonfree firmware.
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1590 [21:07:27] <dutchfish> right
1591 [21:08:06] <edgeWr> oh okokok done. ill reboot
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1594 [21:08:39] <dutchfish> edgeWr, i run for that reason,
Debian/tesing with the open source amdgpu driver and the nonfree
firmware on quiet some amd gpu card, with good expirience so far.
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1596 [21:08:49] <dutchfish> testing*
1597 [21:10:53] <edgeWr> dutchfish, coming from ubuntu that was
the first thing i did. back then i was trying to get the unreal
engine running, but multi screen and all worked
1598 [21:11:03] <edgeWr> brb
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1610 [21:14:24] <edgeWr> dutchfish, joepublic: how could i check
what is wrong with screen @ 1024x768 res?
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1617 [21:15:42] <dutchfish> edgeWr, what is your native screen
resolution?
1618 [21:15:43] <linuxthefish> 5~
1619 [21:15:49] <edgeWr> fhd
1620 [21:16:15] <dutchfish> edgeWr, mm... that should be
autodetected on boot
1621 [21:16:27] <joepublic> xrandr|less might be informative
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1623 [21:16:46] <edgeWr> i read about kernel and mod** something
but that was not in there (amd debian howto)
1624 [21:17:07] <edgeWr> Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current
1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
1625 [21:17:07] <edgeWr> default connected primary 1024x768+0+0
0mm x 0mm
1626 [21:17:07] <edgeWr> 1024x768 76.00*
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1628 [21:18:20] <dutchfish> edgeWr, do you have mesa-utils
installed?
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1633 [21:20:19] <joepublic> if you have something (KVM,
VGA/HDMI/DVI adapter, etc.) between the monitor and the video card,
then the card might not be reading the monitor's EDID which can
cause the resolutions not to show as available, even if the driver
were properly working
1634 [21:21:15] <edgeWr> looks like mesa-utils is from stretch
(not backports) at version Version: 8.3.0-3
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1637 [21:21:37] <dutchfish> edgeWr, glxinfo | grep "direct
rendering"
1638 [21:21:47] <edgeWr> yes
1639 [21:22:08] <dutchfish> edgeWr, ok, then i bet the driver is
working, do what joepublic suggested
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1643 [21:23:21] <joepublic> the cvt command can generate a
modeline for your 1920x1080
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1645 [21:23:55] <joepublic> adding the modeline to your display is
a multi-step process.
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1648 [21:26:26] <dutchfish> i believe a working xorg.conf can be
deducted from the logs too
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1650 [21:27:25] <dutchfish> if the edid was working, this was not
neccesary
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1652 [21:27:52] <joepublic> I use a KVM which is why I happen to
know this odd, rarely-needed information.
1653 [21:28:43] <dutchfish> i dont know if Xorg -configure still
works, i havent used it for years
1654 [21:29:02] <dutchfish> (i am not on stable at the moment)
1655 [21:29:32] <MrScoumoune> hey all and thank for debian
1656 [21:29:54] <joepublic> There seems to be more information at
replaced-url
1657 [21:30:10] <MrScoumoune> Is it possible to know if docker,
evoluted version in depot debian ?
1658 [21:30:32] <MrScoumoune> actualy this is an very old version
in official depot
1659 [21:31:01] <greycat> You shouldn't need to write an
entire xorg.conf file, as far as I can tell from scattered documents
and tidbits. It should be enough to write the section you need in a
single file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1660 [21:31:10] <edgeWr> ok so i went through the process of cvt
and modeline but did get an error like "%gpu may not be
supporting that res%"
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1663 [21:32:22] <edgeWr> when trying to change in displays (gui)
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1670 [21:39:31] <swivel> n/win 11
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1678 [21:46:29] <ws2k3> i see that systemd is consuming alot of
cpu. any way to find out what it is writing to? i suspect its
warning/error logging
1679 [21:47:39] <greycat> journalctl
1680 [21:48:31] <ws2k3> greycat it seems it start at the top of
the file not the bottum
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1682 [21:49:02] <greycat> But it uses "less", right? So
just shift-G to go to the end like normal.
1683 [21:49:31] <phogg> or > does the same thing
1684 [21:49:32] <Brigo> ws2k3, journalctl -f will show you live
errors
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1686 [21:50:26] <ws2k3> Brigo what will journalctl -xe do?
1687 [21:50:41] <ws2k3> Brigo i dont see any errors appearing with
journalctl -f
1688 [21:51:13] <Brigo> ws2k3, that is because there isn't
any.
1689 [21:51:35] <Brigo> is it still with heavy load?
1690 [21:52:08] <ws2k3> Brigo yes its continuesly at 10 % cpu
usage
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1693 [21:53:11] <Brigo> i am clueless
1694 [21:53:22] <ws2k3> Brigo its a 3 node galera cluster and all
3 node have it...
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1696 [21:54:21] <Brigo> ws2k3, any failing service?
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1698 [21:55:16] <ws2k3> Brigo wel until a few minets ago my
/var/log/daemon.log was spammed with errors by mysql but now nothing
1699 [21:55:34] <ws2k3> Brigo i kinda have a feeling the errors
are still there but they just dont appear or something
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1701 [21:56:17] <Brigo> any output from systemctl list-units
--state=failed ?
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1703 [21:57:27] <ws2k3> Brigo one failed yes but that is rc.local
so proberly not related
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1705 [21:58:05] <joepublic> not a bad idea to end rc.local with
"exit 0"
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1707 [21:58:31] <ws2k3> joepublic it does end with exit 0
1708 [21:58:47] <joepublic> I stand befuddled.
1709 [21:58:51] <greycat> The rc.local that used to be provided by
Debian ended with "exit 0", which made a lot of people
screw up by *appending* to the file, not realizing that they had to
move the "exit 0" or delete it.
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1711 [21:59:51] <greycat> The rc.local that used to be provided
also began with "#!/bin/sh -e" which I find horrible and
bad and wrong, and could EASILY break things for unsuspecting users.
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1713 [22:00:46] <ws2k3> greycat yeah mine start with /bin/sh -e to
no idea why it fails
1714 [22:01:13] <greycat> When -e is in effect, and any simple
command in the script exits nonzero, the entire script will abort.
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1716 [22:01:37] <greycat> There are various other rules and
caveats and corner cases, and set -e is a disaster.
1717 [22:01:52] <Brigo> ws2k3, maybe you can get a hint of
what's happening with strace, something like strace -p1
2>systemd.strace
1718 [22:02:46] <greycat> or "systemctl status rc.local"
(as root) or "journalctl -u rc.local" may give some hints
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1720 [22:04:13] <ws2k3> Brigo recvmsg(13, {msg_name=NULL,
msg_namelen=0, msg_iov=[{iov_base="STATUS=InnoDB 1 pages purged
i guess something with mysql is still going on
1721 [22:04:31] <ws2k3> but why i cant find those errors
1722 [22:04:46] <Brigo> ws2k3, i don't know.
1723 [22:05:00] <Brigo> ws2k3, sorry, i have to go.
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1725 [22:05:45] <ws2k3> Brigo okay thanks
1726 [22:06:01] <ws2k3> greycat i think i cant see it now cause i
remove the -e in rc.local
1727 [22:06:37] <ws2k3> greycat Warning: Journal has been rotated
since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or unavailable. but
i prefer to focus on the systemd errors if possible
1728 [22:06:38] <greycat> that shouldn't change anything
until the next boot
1729 [22:07:06] <greycat> journalctl is horrible :(
1730 [22:08:13] <ws2k3> greycat yeah i know
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1732 [22:08:35] <ws2k3> greycat but im more interested why those
errors do not appear anywhere
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1734 [22:08:43] <ws2k3> greycat the errors that i can see with
strace
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1738 [22:14:39] <edgeWr> my Xorg.0.conf is quite old
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1740 [22:14:51] <edgeWr> does it only update if theres an error?
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1742 [22:15:23] <greycat> You might be looking at the wrong file.
1743 [22:15:40] <greycat> assuming you actually meant .log not
.conf
1744 [22:15:47] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
1745 [22:15:48] <dpkg> xorg.0.log is in /var/log unless you are on
stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then it's in
~/.local/share/xorg/~
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1749 [22:16:47] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s/running
startx/running X/
1750 [22:16:47] <dpkg> OK, greycat
1751 [22:17:05] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s|/~|/|
1752 [22:17:05] <dpkg> greycat: I wish you would RTFM.
1753 [22:17:14] <greycat> grr
1754 [22:17:27] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s|/\~|/|
1755 [22:17:27] <dpkg> i don't know, greycat
1756 [22:18:00] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s/\/~/\//
1757 [22:18:07] <greycat> *sigh*
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1759 [22:18:48] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log =~ s:/~:/:
1760 [22:18:49] <dpkg> greycat: KCI error, or a problem with the
Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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1763 [22:19:47] <edgeWr> ~/.local/share/xorg/xorg.log : Aug 14
07:39 Xorg.0.log (i mean its not old, but i thought there might be a
new error)
1764 [22:20:02] <edgeWr> or any new text about successful startpu
1765 [22:20:32] <greycat> If X has been running happily since
then, what did you expect to see?
1766 [22:20:53] <edgeWr> its running at 1024x768 :(
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1768 [22:21:05] <edgeWr> my eyes hurt from browsing for solutions
1769 [22:21:31] <greycat> What video chipset, is there any missing
(non-free) firmware for it, do you need a weird nvidia thingy or
bumblebee or ....
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1773 [22:22:53] <edgeWr> sry for pasting this here:
1774 [22:22:53] <edgeWr> Graphics: Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices
[AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X] driver: N/A
1775 [22:22:53] <edgeWr> Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver:
ati,fbdev unloaded: modesetting,radeon,vesa
1776 [22:22:53] <edgeWr> resolution: 1024x768~76Hz
1777 [22:22:53] <edgeWr> OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0 256
bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 17.3.9
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1780 [22:23:34] <vook> When I log out of XFCE, I get the option to
"save session for future logins", which restores my
window-layout when I log back in. Anyone know how to trigger this
without logging out?
1781 [22:23:46] <greycat> edgeWr: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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1784 [22:24:41] <jasabella> vook… whisker menu >
settings > session and start up
1785 [22:24:46] <jasabella> session tab
1786 [22:24:53] <edgeWr> greycat, thats the same output of the
first line of what i pasted
1787 [22:25:01] <edgeWr> Tahiti XT
1788 [22:25:17] <greycat> lspci -nn includes the PCI ID code which
is the part we actually want
1789 [22:25:27] <edgeWr> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD
7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X] [1002:6798]
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1792 [22:25:52] * greycat googles debian 1002:6798 and starts reading
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1795 [22:26:07] <vook> awesome, thanks jasabella!
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1798 [22:28:42] <edgeWr> greycat, thanks, i was just wondering how
X didnt just start after installing debian. had to do some things
1799 [22:29:08] <greycat> is there any missing firmware? dmesg |
grep -i firmware
1800 [22:29:45] <greycat> found one report from someone who
didn't give the PCI ID :( but reported success after installing
firmware for a "Tahiti XT"
1801 [22:30:37] <edgeWr> doesnt look like, dmsg | [ 0.018014]
Spectre V2 : Enabling Restricted Speculation for firmware calls
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1805 [22:33:22] <edgeWr> greycat, so i had firmware-linux-nonfree
installed but i think -free wasnt
1806 [22:33:24] <edgeWr> gonna reboot
1807 [22:33:41] <edgeWr> oh and thanks. wont be back to irc if it
doesnt work
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1812 [22:35:15] <edgeWr> :(
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1815 [22:37:24] <greycat> still nothing for dmesg | grep -i
firmware ?
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1817 [22:37:57] <greycat> there are a whole bunch of tahiti_*.bin
and TAHITI_*.bin in
replaced-url
1818 [22:39:30] <greycat> I also see results that talk about using
the AMDGPU driver instead of the radeon driver, but I don't
even know which driver yours is *currently* using
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1844 [23:06:17] <ctcx> Trying to cat a directory results in an
error message... but other than this can this be harmful for the
system?
1845 [23:06:23] <ctcx> I did accidentally...
1846 [23:06:36] <greycat> It literally does not happen. The kernel
doesn't permit it.
1847 [23:07:23] <ctcx> greycat: what do you mean? I got a message
saying "cat: this is a directory". And echo $? gave
certainly 1
1848 [23:07:32] <ctcx> Other than this can this be harmful for the
system?
1849 [23:07:45] <greycat> How can that be harmful? Nothing
happened.
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1851 [23:08:50] <greycat> cat tries to open the thing, kernel says
NO, cat exits. end of story.
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1853 [23:10:00] <ctcx> ok, thanks for that
1854 [23:10:10] <ctcx> No more botherings.
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1856 [23:10:45] <dvs> yay!
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1902 [23:51:13] <`whoami`> hello, do you know any terminal-base
web browser (lynx, w3m, ...) that could handle javascript ?
1903 [23:51:18] <`whoami`> based*
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1906 [23:52:56] <`whoami`> oh, edbrowser could be a match
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