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5 [00:01:37] <xaviergmail> How can I go about changing the
sequential u/gids for newly created users?
6 [00:02:20] <xaviergmail> I have a multi-tenant machine
running docker with shared mounts, but the uid/gids
"conflict" between the host and containers so some tenants
have access to files which they shouldn't
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17 [00:11:55] <abrotman> xaviergmail: /etc/adduser.conf
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19 [00:12:16] <abrotman> or rather, that's one place
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39 [00:51:21] <binaryhermit> hmm, is it possible to have zram
and disk-based swap, preferring the zram?
40 [00:54:06] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: you can mount your
ZRAM to any mount point you want, but I'm guessing if you mount
it to swap then it'll get erased on reboot and thus be like
sending vram to /dev/null
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41 [00:54:48] <binaryhermit> like, I meant a zram swap and an
actual swap on disk
42 [00:55:19] <binaryhermit> kinda like having some fast cache
to handle stuff you'll probably need really soon, and slower
cache to handle stuff you're not likely to need soon
43 [00:56:06] <binaryhermit> let me rephrase that, 2 swap
devices, preferring one of them, I guess the fact that one is zram
probably isn't relevant
44 [00:58:18] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: please see
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45 [00:58:59] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit:
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47 [00:59:38] <binaryhermit> I fail to see how that's
relevant to what I'm asking
48 [00:59:41] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: that one makes 4
swap spaces
49 [00:59:45] <binaryhermit> right
50 [01:00:03] <CyberManifest> and you can still have your
regular swap drive/file handled by the kernel
51 [01:00:05] <binaryhermit> but is it possible to tell whatever
handles dumping to swap to prefer a certain swap space
52 [01:00:29] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: the kerenl and
memory calls determine that
53 [01:00:35] <CyberManifest> kernel*
54 [01:01:21] <binaryhermit> like, I know there's a
preference to control how heavily the kernel uses swap, is there one
to tell it which device to prefer
55 [01:01:32] <binaryhermit> nevermind, I'm off to the
googles
56 [01:02:10] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: sure there are
modules and there are fstab mounts and a dozen other ways
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60 [01:03:49] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: I personally use
that script for my raspberry pi and it swaps to 4 places, I also
have a swap device specified in my fstab, but lately it appears my
swap partition is disabled, I haven't bothered looking into why
or where things are going.
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65 [01:05:00] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: this also may give
more information:
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69 [01:06:44] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: so I guess I was
wrong about both, but I can imagine there could be some kind of
process split or scheduling to allow such a mechanism but I
don't think one currently exists.
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76 [01:14:35] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: please see
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77 [01:15:26] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: VRAM and swap
partitions use the same swapon command
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79 [01:16:04] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: here is some
detailed information:
replaced-url
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82 [01:19:11] <binaryhermit> CyberManifest: for the record, it
appears to be possible on CentOS/RHEL and presumably debian as well
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84 [01:19:47] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: yeah that's the
impression I was getting from reading:
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86 [01:20:30] <binaryhermit> I mean, I'm assuming
that's a fairly standard Linux kernel thing and not RHEL doing
a Ubuntu
87 [01:20:49] <binaryhermit> Ubuntu likes to do things their own
way just because they can
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89 [01:21:00] <binaryhermit> See mir, unity, and snap
90 [01:21:25] <binaryhermit> Though unity was just a DE, so
that's not as bad imo
91 [01:22:55] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit:
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92 [01:23:17] <binaryhermit> yes, that
93 [01:23:31] <binaryhermit> after some modification, that seems
to have done the trick
94 [01:23:45] <binaryhermit> /proc/swaps reflects the priority
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96 [01:25:19] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: if I'm
understanding you right, you're wanting to know if you can have
ZRAM and a swap partition for things like hibernation, I too would
like to know.
97 [01:26:09] <binaryhermit> Let me test it
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99 [01:26:56] <binaryhermit> Hibernating my laptop, wish me luck
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104 [01:28:49] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: good luck
105 [01:29:28] <binaryhermit> It seems to have at least partially
come back
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107 [01:29:59] <binaryhermit> Sometimes it takes a little time
for it to fully get it's stuff together, I have slow spinning
rust here
108 [01:30:14] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: I didn't see
your hibernation disconnect you from IRC
109 [01:31:00] <binaryhermit> I use quasselclient on my desktop
and quasseldroid on my phone connected to a quassel core in the
cloud
110 [01:31:19] <binaryhermit> Well, laptop, not desktop, but
whatever
111 [01:31:28] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: just for the record,
I like novaspirt's approach to ZRAM better than Debian's
it seems more simplistic and sophisticated
112 [01:32:19] <binaryhermit> At least on recent Debian you can
install zram-tools and it should more or less just work
113 [01:32:33] <binaryhermit> Might need some minor edits to a
config file
114 [01:32:40] <CyberManifest> like "sleep .5" in
Debian's script, and the length of it... just feels clanky
115 [01:33:11] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: yes and I suspect
it's using a similar script as the Init V version
116 [01:33:16] <binaryhermit> That script I believe is superseded
by zram-tools as of some point no later than buster
117 [01:33:41] <binaryhermit> Anyway it really doesn't
matter, to each his or her own
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119 [01:34:06] <CyberManifest> binaryhermit: agreed
120 [01:35:05] <santost12> someone please contact Alexander Wirt
to remove this illegal paste with the following ID: 1158624
121 [01:36:02] <CyberManifest>
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122 [01:39:39] <EdePopede> santost12: did you look on oftc?
123 [01:40:22] <santost12> oftc?
124 [01:40:33] <CyberManifest> EdePopede: what does he mean by
"illegal paste" ?
125 [01:40:39] <CyberManifest> santost12: oftc = off topic
126 [01:40:47] <EdePopede> !oftc
127 [01:40:47] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to
OFTC's network.
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128 [01:40:50] <EdePopede> nearly ;)
129 [01:40:54] <CyberManifest> ooh
130 [01:40:56] <CyberManifest> my bad
131 [01:41:34] <santost12> the paste contains link to cp
132 [01:42:00] <CyberManifest> santost12: what paste?
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134 [01:42:27] <santost12> the one with the ID. im not going to
link it.
135 [01:42:31] <santost12> the ID i mentioned
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137 [01:42:38] <santost12> it's a public paste
138 [01:43:02] <CyberManifest> santost12: but the ID is relevant
where? I mean there are like over a doze paste websites.
139 [01:43:20] <CyberManifest> dozen*
140 [01:43:22] <santost12> Debian's paste. paste.debian.net
141 [01:43:28] <CyberManifest> santost12: ah
142 [01:43:59] <CyberManifest> santost12: incase you can't
tell I'm kinda new to the Deb community, came from ~arch
(Manjaro)
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144 [01:44:11] <CyberManifest> and before that LM and before that
Redhat
145 [01:44:52] <WormholeTraveler> OFTC is not Off topic
@CyberManifest
146 [01:45:02] <WormholeTraveler> its Open and Free Technology
147 [01:45:13] <WormholeTraveler> Reminder, the official Debian
channel is on OFTC, not Freenode @CyberManifest
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149 [01:45:26] <CyberManifest> WormholeTraveler: yes, it's
already been explained and I already said: "ooh" "my
bad"
150 [01:45:42] <WormholeTraveler> no you didnt. Im watching your
convo.
151 [01:46:09] <WormholeTraveler> nevermind. youre spreading bad
fuckin information.
152 [01:46:10] <CyberManifest> check 18:40
153 [01:46:44] <CyberManifest> 18:40 CST so like 6~7 min ago
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157 [01:48:22] <CyberManifest> WormholeTraveler: where am I
spreading bad *explicative* information ?
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181 [02:10:33] <CyberManifest> weirdest thing, I purged both wicd
and network-manager, and suddenly my wifi shows to be working, but I
had abruptly pulled the network cable out to test it and it
wasn't working, so rebooting, but it's weird what on earth
does raspberry pi use ?
182 [02:10:53] <CyberManifest> so all who were helping me fix my
WiFi, it's working again! thanks :)
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185 [02:12:55] <CyberManifest> sney: ^ + ^^
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200 [02:42:02] <CyberManifest> I Just Want to Say Debian is
Awesome! Great Work Debian Contributors, Testers, Maintainers, and
the whole Debian Team, Users, and Supporters :) You all ROCK!
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234 [03:29:39] <jerlique> ectospasm: thanks for the corretion.
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239 [03:33:42] <jerlique> I've suvvessfully reinstalled
grub, but my debian machine still boots to a black screen. the
underscore cursor is present like its at a login prompt. typing
moves the cursor along and enter resets it.. I cannot appear to
login and networking is not working anyway, so I think its deceving
me... Anyway to be able to fore it to show more details?
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257 [03:54:32] <CyberManifest> grub>: - The grub prompt on a
blank screen.
258 [03:54:32] <CyberManifest> GRUB 2 has found the boot
information but has been either unable to locate or unable to use an
existing GRUB 2 configuration file (usually grub.cfg).
259 [03:54:40] <CyberManifest> jerlique: ^
260 [03:55:52] <CyberManifest> jerlique: does ls return anything
on that screen ?
261 [03:57:26] <CyberManifest> jerlique: Frozen splash screen,
blinking cursor with no grub> or grub rescue prompt. Possible
video issues with the kernel.
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263 [03:59:33] <jerlique> CyberManifest: no ouput from ls. cursor
resets to start of line after typing. no grub or resuce prompt
printed...
264 [04:00:04] <CyberManifest> jerlique:
replaced-url
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266 [04:01:56] <CyberManifest> jerlique: try nomodeset ...
replaced-url
267 [04:02:28] <CyberManifest> jerlique: also
replaced-url
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269 [04:06:18] <CyberManifest> jerlique: I think you may need
your video drivers and in the mean time I would use nomodeset
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278 [04:25:59] <jerlique> FYI this is a vm, the bios stuff
prints, but not the vm os itself... it was abrubpt shutdown. I can
see the partitions/files and stuff when attaching the disk on
another vm
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319 [05:13:54] <ddsys> tried to download 10.5 and said virus
replaced-url
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334 [05:36:12] <WormholeTraveler> try another browser or use
torrent
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341 [05:44:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o themill
342 [05:44:27] <jerlique> In a vm environment, i dont normally
see grub menu/messages. Now that I have a failed disk, how do I know
if grub is loading or not? I have verified that grub is installed on
disk.
343 [05:44:37] *** themill changes topic to 'Current Debian
release is buster, 10.5 point release /msg dpkg 10.5; /msg dpkg
buster; /msg dpkg stretch->buster; /msg dpkg apt suite changed |
Stretch has limited LTS support: /msg dpkg stretch-lts ; /msg dpkg
9.13 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | chanlogs: /msg dpkg
irclog'
344 [05:44:40] *** themill sets mode: -o themill
345 [05:44:48] <themill> (topicdiff 10.5 released)
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349 [05:46:40] <nvz> well thats ignorant
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352 [05:47:47] <nvz> I just spent half an hour reading blogs and
visting sites and crap and there seems to be no way to get any
detailed information what-so-ever on this SafeBrowsing stuff
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354 [05:48:18] <nvz> you cannot believe a word of random closed
databases that claim files are bad somehow and can say absolutely
nothing more
355 [05:49:04] <nvz> every single person involved with these
efforts should be ashamed
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357 [05:49:51] <nvz> they might as well just popup a dialog that
says "we have no idea what this file contains, we just thought
we'd scare you into trusting us"
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398 [06:52:09] <WormholeTraveler> redshift is a great prog to
save your eyes
399 [06:52:31] <WormholeTraveler> the defaults are perfect dont
change it
400 [06:53:12] <WormholeTraveler> sudo apt redshift
401 [06:53:13] <WormholeTraveler> :)
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404 [06:57:03] <ectospasm> That reminded me to turn on Night
Shift on this Mac
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416 [07:25:45] <WormholeTraveler> yup night shift is awesome
417 [07:26:20] <WormholeTraveler> redshift is the same thing. You
could crontab it to run at certain times.
418 [07:30:19] <genghiz> Hey all. I've just noticed that for
nginx-light and nginx-full on stable, if I change the location of
the pid-file, they're not automatically restarted on reboot.
419 [07:30:30] <genghiz> Sorry, not on reboot, on upgrade
420 [07:31:09] <genghiz> I looked into the control file and saw
that it's caused by the postinst script looking for the pidfile
in a hardcoded place
421 [07:31:18] <genghiz> Is this worth a bug report?
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445 [08:35:46] <genr8_> no ?
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451 [08:52:21] <KOJIbKA> Hi all! I got sudden PC freeze. On
attempt to identify the reason upon hard reset I tried to identify
the process which caused such a freeze. 'top' gave me
short review of some process named something like
'*-miner' . Is there a way to find history of prosesses
which have been run in the past?
452 [08:52:42] <KOJIbKA> Like 'top' gives only present
pid
453 [08:53:04] <KOJIbKA> I need to find out what happend few
minutes back
454 [08:55:33] <KOJIbKA> That suspicious process has clearly
stated PID and user. But the name is a bit confusing cause I
didn't have time to read it.
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456 [08:57:28] <KOJIbKA> And now it's totally gone from
'top' list
457 [08:57:58] <JackV> you could write the output of
›ps‹ in a file every second or so
458 [08:58:39] <JackV> afair top has an output switch for this
too.
459 [08:59:18] <KOJIbKA> JackV: ps gives only two of them: bash
and ps itself
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461 [09:00:51] <KOJIbKA> My machine has most certainly been pwned
and I have no clue how to monitor it.
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463 [09:04:16] <KOJIbKA> with all those freezes and halts on
which I have no chance to control I need a tool to monitor what has
happened in the past and log is a deep blue sea for me. Is there a
way to find out what has happened to processes in the past?
464 [09:07:57] <JackV> KOJIbKA, ps has switches to control the
output
465 [09:08:00] <KOJIbKA> 'gnome-logs' keeps shut down
right upon attempt to see any of the logs
466 [09:08:59] <JackV> but it can not list processes from the
past. If you haven’t logged them, they are lost. Writing
ps-output in a file only prevents that for the future
467 [09:09:35] <KOJIbKA> JackV: thank a lot I got this one
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469 [09:12:10] <KOJIbKA> and ps x gave me this one
replaced-url
470 [09:13:32] <ratrace> ,file
/usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps
471 [09:13:37] <judd> Search for
/usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps in buster/amd64:
tracker-miner-fs: usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-apps
472 [09:13:45] <ratrace> !info tracker-miner-fs
473 [09:13:51] <dpkg> tracker-miner-fs: (metadata database,
indexer and search tool - filesystem indexer), section utils, is
optional. Version: 2.3.3-2+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed
size: 262 kB
474 [09:13:58] <ratrace> KOJIbKA: there you go
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478 [09:15:41] <KOJIbKA> ratrace: Quite a wired name for an
indexer isn't it?
479 [09:15:47] <ratrace> definitely
480 [09:16:21] <JackV> maybe someone thought, it would be funny
:D
481 [09:16:33] <ratrace> a lot of things in modern linux deskop
look like one's been pwned. that's part of reason why
linux desktop suxx and there will never be a Year of the Linux
Desktop
482 [09:17:54] <JackV> wasn’t that year last year?
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484 [09:18:27] <JackV> tbh: look at windows processes –
looks equally weird
485 [09:20:14] <ratrace> JackV: no that was Year of the Linux
Desktop Dramas. Different award category.
486 [09:21:15] <JackV> I see
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492 [09:27:51] <KOJIbKA> well that doesn't solve the mystery
with sudden system freezes anyway! Who is next contender for Linux
Desktop Horrors in a row?
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495 [09:29:07] <KOJIbKA> My machine has got hardware tester
preinstalled and runs just fine according to it.
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499 [09:30:24] <JackV> hints for causes of freezes are found
usually in the logs
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502 [09:31:03] <JackV> journalctl might help. Maybe you have to
make your journal persistent
503 [09:31:14] <KOJIbKA> JackV: I got 'gnome-logs'
constantly closing itself in attempt to view it
504 [09:31:29] <JackV> ususally journalctl is used
505 [09:31:53] * JackV doesn’t even know
›gnome-logs‹
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507 [09:32:59] <KOJIbKA> JackV: 'journalctl' No journal
files were opened due to insufficient permissions.
508 [09:33:08] <JackV> so use it as root
509 [09:33:17] <JackV> or add yourself to a suitable group
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511 [09:33:48] <KOJIbKA> Ah! I'm hitting stupid record this
morning!
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514 [09:35:08] <JackV> be sure to have a look at the manpage of
journalctl. It has many useful options
515 [09:35:29] <KOJIbKA> JackV: I'm there at the moment
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517 [09:36:58] <ratrace> KOJIbKA: journalctl -b -p err
518 [09:37:37] <ratrace> or use, say, --since '2020-08-02
01:02:03' or whatever time you started noticing issues
519 [09:37:53] <ratrace> or == instead of -b
520 [09:39:36] <KOJIbKA> ratrace:
replaced-url
521 [09:39:40] <KOJIbKA> so far
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523 [09:41:56] <KOJIbKA> too many excess USB-s ain't so?
524 [09:42:29] <ratrace> yea, that's an USB stick? it's
dead, Jim.
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526 [09:43:17] <ratrace> why is dhclient failing... you have
gnome, so I refuse to enter that forest, but if that's
ethernet, and interfaces(5) is controlling it, check why dhclient is
failing.
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528 [09:43:37] <KOJIbKA> ratrace: unfortunately no. It's
XBox360 Wireless Controller and camera
529 [09:43:37] <jim> ratrace, what's dead, jim?
530 [09:43:39] <ratrace> and ..... hp-systray? what?
531 [09:43:58] <ratrace> jim: ohlol :) sorry buddy, I was quoting
Bones
532 [09:44:02] <KOJIbKA> ratrace: last one is easy
533 [09:44:33] <KOJIbKA> HP-Lip refuses to initiate itself
without Control Panel
534 [09:44:39] <jim> the actors pass, but the characters live
forever
535 [09:45:39] <ratrace> KOJIbKA: sorry, that's another
forest I'm refusing to enter :)
536 [09:46:15] <KOJIbKA> I mean System Tray
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538 [09:46:48] <KOJIbKA> But I got these for ages without any
freezes!
539 [09:47:14] <KOJIbKA> Didn't bother to eliminate them
even
540 [09:47:30] <ratrace> KOJIbKA: gnome has some extension to
re-enable systray. they did a really "great" job by
removing it. kudos, congrats, gnome, you're winner of the 2019
Year of the Linux Desktop Dramas award.
541 [09:47:50] <KOJIbKA> :-D
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544 [09:51:16] <ratrace> KOJIbKA: oh also, I forgot, gnome will
log about errors but not at the "err" severity level.
yeah, another win. so you can journalctl -f to tail it, and then
start your "gnome-logs" or whatever other program
that's crashing for you, and see if anything useful is logged
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552 [09:57:57] <WormholeTraveler> whats a good leafpad
replacement? apparently its old now
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554 [10:00:34] <themill> apt says mousepad
555 [10:00:40] <themill> ,i mousepad
556 [10:00:41] <judd> Package mousepad (editors, optional) in
buster/amd64: simple Xfce oriented text editor. Version: 0.4.1-2;
Size: 325.9k; Installed: 1516k; Screenshot:
replaced-url
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562 [10:04:33] <WormholeTraveler> what search terms did you use?
563 [10:04:36] <WormholeTraveler> ty
564 [10:05:19] <themill> apt-cache search leafpad
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567 [10:06:15] <WormholeTraveler> thank you
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569 [10:06:48] <WormholeTraveler> featherpad is also a nice one
if youre interested btw
570 [10:06:54] <WormholeTraveler> just found it
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580 [10:21:11] <f8e4> how to clenaup all the ps ?
581 [10:21:22] <f8e4> like: 14941 ? SL 0:00
/usr/lib/chromium/chromium --type=zygot..
582 [10:21:38] <f8e4> i cannot restart chromium
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585 [10:24:29] <KOJIbKA> f8e4: kill [options] <pid> [...]
did you try that one?
586 [10:24:43] <KOJIbKA> see man kill as well
587 [10:24:58] <KOJIbKA> =-O
588 [10:25:10] <KOJIbKA> 'man kill' I mean
589 [10:25:25] <KOJIbKA> Oh that Debian shortcuts!
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592 [10:26:27] <KOJIbKA> Kill them all! Let the Deb sort them
out!
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594 [10:27:57] <Voyager82> Hello. I recentely bought a new
computer, provided with a SSD, with Windows 10 already installed. I
intend to make a double partition, and install also Debian Linux. I
would like to keep both Linux and Windows. So far, I've always
installed Debian Linux on "old" computers, provided with
old-fashioned HDDs. Should I expect any problem, more than usual?
595 [10:31:05] <KOJIbKA> Voyager82: Yes you will. Starting from
UEFI switch over. That almost dead blocked my installation. But that
is not affected neither by HDD nor SSD type which remains unnoticed
by installer at all. So, briefly, no worries. Just do study your
BIOS initial settings thoroughly.
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597 [10:31:09] <f8e4> Voyager82 the default installer will guide
you and even warn if you do bad that could render win unusable
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599 [10:32:31] <f8e4> i have zombies, how to clean them?
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601 [10:32:45] <f8e4> kill -9 aint none
602 [10:33:09] <Voyager82> KOJIbKA, what do you mean? Previously,
when I installed Debian Linux next to Windows, there was GRUB, that
managed the two operating systems. What happens now?
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604 [10:34:17] <KOJIbKA> Do you have UEFI on your system?
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606 [10:34:35] <f8e4> Voyager82 its fine!
607 [10:35:00] <Voyager82> KOJIbKA, I don't know.
608 [10:36:02] <KOJIbKA> Well sort it out and refer to
replaced-url
609 [10:37:22] <KOJIbKA> It gave me a real pain to struggle with
initial installation. But since then almost 6 years of normal
(almost) flight.
610 [10:37:39] <Voyager82> KOJIbKA, actually, I see no sign of
BIOS, when I turn on the computer. I feel like a
"caveman". I was used to see a lot of messages from the
BIOS, before the OS started, and I 'm a little confused. :)
611 [10:38:33] <KOJIbKA> Try to find out your BIOS menu short
key. Like F2 or F12 or ESC during boot
612 [10:39:14] <KOJIbKA> There you see additional info on your
boot up process.
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627 [11:02:43] <Voyager82> KOJIbKA, what problems did you
actually encountered, and how did you solve them?
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635 [11:08:22] <KOJIbKA> Voyager82: well it all depends on what
kind of machine you're trying to modify. What is your
configuration? CPU, Motherboard, GPU?
636 [11:08:35] <KOJIbKA> May be brand name?
637 [11:08:52] <Voyager82> KOJIbKA, it's an ASUS.
638 [11:09:25] <KOJIbKA> Then all my directions might not work
for you. I've got Dell machine.
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640 [11:11:34] <Voyager82> However, I understand I need at least
one USB drive to install Debian Linux, and one USB drive to install
back Windows, in case something goes wrong.
641 [11:13:59] <KOJIbKA> Voyager82: Try go search among users
forums among your model. Sometimes it works.
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684 [11:58:08] <genr8_> ofc he has UEFI on a new computer, and he
needs to deal with it.
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716 [12:34:22] <vjacob> hiya. does anyone know of software that
actually tracks how files are moving from place to place or even in
terms of file name renames/deletes to extract analysis on what might
be better ways of organizing files?
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726 [12:44:08] <abrotman> vjacob: you might be able to use fam to
get the data, but perhaps do your own analysis
727 [12:44:24] <n_1-c_k> vjacob: git
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739 [12:56:34] <fromhell> hallo
740 [12:56:39] <fromhell> need help
741 [12:56:57] <diogenes_> !ask
742 [12:56:57] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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744 [12:58:14] <fromhell> dpkg, i have that , problem i make
/etc/adduser.con chmode 700, but how make , whith this chmod works
public_html
745 [12:58:14] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, fromhell
746 [12:59:25] <diogenes_> fromhell, dpkg is a robot :)
747 [13:00:09] <fromhell> :)
748 [13:00:13] <fromhell> sorry :)
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751 [13:00:27] <fromhell> i think he is to fast :)
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753 [13:03:40] <abrotman> you're saying you set the mode to
700 in adduser, but the public_html/ has a different mode?
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756 [13:04:13] <abrotman> fromhell: ?
757 [13:04:31] <fromhell> hallo
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760 [13:05:50] <zapatista> hey I am trying to use a window
manager to tile apps I am using on monitori so far I installed wmii
but could not manage to use it (porbably because of my mini wireless
keyboard mouse combo). any good window manager for debian gnome?
761 [13:06:08] <fromhell> abrotman , when i adduser chmod 700,
doeasbot work public>html
762 [13:06:45] <abrotman> oh, you're not doing it yet, you
just want to know?
763 [13:07:02] <abrotman> fromhell: you do realize, the
public_html won't work with a mode of 700 via a webserver?
764 [13:07:10] <fromhell> abrotman, /etc/adduser.conf
765 [13:07:12] <fromhell> i set it
766 [13:07:28] <fromhell> but public_html look permision
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769 [13:09:28] <fromhell> but public_html look permision.?
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771 [13:09:48] <fromhell> ?
772 [13:09:50] <abrotman> fromhell: just try it and see
773 [13:09:58] <fromhell> listen
774 [13:10:05] <abrotman> ...
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780 [13:12:07] <oxek>
replaced-url
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782 [13:12:51] <abrotman> oxek: you don't see the files
there called "SUMS" ?
783 [13:13:10] <quadrathoch2> oxek the sign files still take
awhile
784 [13:13:38] <oxek> abrotman: I don't see the *signed*
checksum files
785 [13:13:50] <oxek> "These checksum files are also signed
- see the matching .sign files"
786 [13:13:53] <abrotman> oh, I think they're signed by
virtue of the respository being signed, sorry
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788 [13:14:02] <abrotman> can you find older samples?
789 [13:14:33] <oxek> Unfortunately I don't understand what
you mean by older samples?
790 [13:14:51] <abrotman>
replaced-url
791 [13:14:53] <abrotman> those do have a .signed
792 [13:15:38] <abrotman>
replaced-url
793 [13:16:59] <oxek> yeah, that will work, thanks! 10.4 will
automatically update to 10.5 during installation if I have internet,
right?
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795 [13:17:14] <abrotman> yes, assuming you have an http source
796 [13:17:23] <abrotman> if not, you can do so after the
installation
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801 [13:26:32] <f8e4> hi folks, do you know of a simple solution
to contorl fan speed? on a ashrock minibox 110
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809 [13:33:40] <abrotman> f8e4: apt-cache search fan control
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812 [13:36:04] <vjacob> n_1-c_k, git is a great idea, except it
would require adding everything to a repository manually (most
likely, or to do one heck of a script to add it), but more over it
would not be ideal for binary files (IMHO)
813 [13:36:15] <vjacob> abrotman, what is ´fam´ ?
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816 [13:36:53] * vjacob installs fam to look it up further with manpage
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819 [13:37:23] <abrotman> vjacob: apt-cache show fam
820 [13:37:38] <abrotman> or apt show fam .. whatever you use
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830 [13:50:27] <vjacob> abrotman, that seems like what I am
looking for, that said most likely a lot of stuff would have to be
added, but I will of course start to look out what has been built on
top of/based on
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833 [13:51:10] <abrotman> vjacob: yeah, I think your use case is
a bit different, but maybe it can help
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845 [14:08:19] <f8e4> has anyone tried:
replaced-url
846 [14:08:39] <f8e4> i installed, now ? i hate it when devs make
their shit hard, even thdoc just blablabla
847 [14:08:50] <f8e4> make it f*** simple to set a simple pWM
value
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855 [14:25:13] <GNU\colossus> f8e4, what's your problem?
just run pwmconfig and let it figure out your ideal config.
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866 [14:37:45] <f8e4> got it. sry man, got cucked away. just
firgued, some hw thingy prevents flooring below 1000rpm via pwm,
just wtf, all the garbage hw
867 [14:37:53] <f8e4> the f* is anything running on that crap
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872 [14:38:57] <GNU\colossus> my fans spin around 500-600 RPM at
normal-desktop-load-ish temperatures. inaudible at ~50cm distance
(case on desk).
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874 [14:40:05] <f8e4> good for you
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878 [14:42:23] <srged> Is there any way to disable to
confirmation check for the trashed items ?
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881 [14:44:52] * f8e4 should known better buyin ASSrock stuff
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884 [14:50:56] <GNU\colossus> f8e4, my mainboard is from asrock,
too ;) maybe there's some UEFI setting that messes with your
fan control stuff?
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886 [14:51:32] <GNU\colossus> (or your fans can't just
support fewer RPM...)
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924 [16:00:42] <srged> Is there any way to disable to
confirmation check for the trashed items ?
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937 [16:14:29] <yuta> I cannot connect transmission-daemon after
update.
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955 [16:41:58] <quadrathoch2> srged it depends on the file
manager, but most of them yes, in the settings of that file manager
956 [16:42:12] <RoyK> yuta: what does 'systemctl status
transmission-daemon.service' have to say?
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963 [16:46:20] <yuta>
replaced-url
964 [16:46:22] <yuta> RoyK:
965 [16:46:32] <yuta> I think this is usual.
966 [16:46:36] <yuta> for me
967 [16:47:27] <yuta> Aug 02 23:46:03 raspberrypi
transmission-daemon[3455]: [2020-08-02 23:46:03.836] RPC Server
Unabl
968 [16:47:34] <yuta> I found this . hold on.
969 [16:47:36] <RoyK> try something like 'sudo ss -ntlp|grep
transmi'
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980 [16:55:49] <yuta> I editted setting.json. because whitelist
was false.
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982 [16:56:11] <yuta> and I can connect transmission-daemon , but
all data resets. lol RoyK
983 [16:56:13] <yuta> Thanks.
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985 [16:56:42] <yuta> This is raspbian. so a little bit strange .
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994 [17:01:09] <chaology> i noticed that there is no signature
file on one of the new 10.5 live images
995 [17:01:26] <chaology> i know it's unofficial, but 10.4
had the signature
996 [17:01:32] <chaology> see:
997 [17:01:34] <chaology>
replaced-url
998 [17:02:15] <chaology> i.e. the signature on the SHA*SUMS
files
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1000 [17:04:20] <chaology> compare that to SHA512SUMS.sign within
the live version without firmware:
1001 [17:04:27] <chaology>
replaced-url
1002 [17:04:29] <themill> chaology: some of the signatures
haven't been uploaded yet
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1004 [17:04:36] <chaology> themill: ah
1005 [17:04:40] <chaology> thanks
1006 [17:04:55] <chaology> i'll refresh the page later today
1007 [17:05:33] <themill> this normally all happens at the same
time but didn't for some raeson this time
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1013 [17:07:55] <themill> On the upside, it's great to see
that people do routinely check the sigs to be noticing that they are
missing…
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1020 [17:17:00] <yuta> RoyK:
1021 [17:17:04] <yuta> LISTEN 0 128 0.0.0.0:9091 0.0.0.0:*
users:(("transmission-da",pid=2481,fd=15))
1022 [17:17:23] <yuta> after I stopped transmission-daemon, still
waiting.
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1027 [17:21:22] <yuta> my problem thanks RoyK
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1038 [17:28:42] <oxek> Which package do I need to install to get
+clipboard in vim --version?
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1058 [17:49:04] <ndegruchy> oxek: vim-gtk
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1060 [17:49:28] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Is there a markdown reader
somewhere in the debian packages? I found a package called markdown,
but that is a text-to-html generator.
1061 [17:50:00] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Okular can read MD files
(rendered)
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1063 [17:50:21] <ndegruchy> Actually, scratch that
1064 [17:50:26] <ndegruchy> it doesn't render
1065 [17:50:50] <satousan> you mean like a reader for markdown?
1066 [17:50:51] <ndegruchy> Though, the Calibre ebook reader does
:D
1067 [17:51:14] <satousan> calibre does, i believe it translates
it first to html though
1068 [17:52:38] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, what version of Okular?
1.3.2 doesn't render .md.
1069 [17:53:05] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: yeah, I just realized
that it just opens the raw text.
1070 [17:55:24] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: some years ago i had both
pandoc handling markdown files on apache and a firefox extension
interpreting md files.
1071 [17:55:40] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, I ask because I am
getting tired of having to use online tools to see my markdown
rendered.
1072 [17:56:04] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, I will dive into the
Firefox extensions.
1073 [17:56:44] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Many text editors, like
Atom, VSCode and more will render markdown edited in it
1074 [17:57:20] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, I've not heard of
them until now.
1075 [17:59:10] <ndegruchy> Both with render it without having to
do anything else, IIRC. Depends on what you use to edit/create
markdown files, there may be functionality you can take advantage of
1076 [18:00:15] <oxek> ndegruchy: works, thanks
1077 [18:02:08] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, well, the one add-on I
thought would work didn't. Oh well, there are a couple online
tools I will use.
1078 [18:02:42] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, I can't seem to find
that functionality in Geany.
1079 [18:03:09] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena:
replaced-url
1080 [18:03:13] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena, can't remember
offline usage. if it gets the correct mime-type from the server, ok.
but no idea if it would recognize them by file extension
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1084 [18:04:23] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, it's not available
in buster.
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1086 [18:05:12] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, I'd have to use the
stretch version or the sid version.
1087 [18:05:57] <Lady_Aleena> dpkg geany-plugin-markdown
1088 [18:05:58] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, Lady_Aleena
1089 [18:08:38] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Well, there's that,
or you could use something like `watch pandoc` and just refresh your
browser, or similar. Not ideal, but also everything is included.
Atom, VSCode and some other editors (I think even Emacs can
'render' markdown)
1090 [18:09:10] <ndegruchy> can be installed easily enough (sorry,
didn't finish that thought before sending it)
1091 [18:10:08] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, that's okay. Thank
you very much for giving this a good think.
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1093 [18:13:40] <Lady_Aleena> OMG! pandoc's man is huge!
1094 [18:13:59] * EdePopede chuckles
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1096 [18:14:15] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: you know what's even
bigger?
1097 [18:14:20] <EdePopede> pandoc's possibilities ;)
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1099 [18:15:02] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, I have no idea. My eyes
started glazing over. I need a manual that is in a pretty format.
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1104 [18:15:41] <EdePopede> Lady_Aleena: basically you'd want
to decide what you want to produce from what. have a look at what
you can use for --from and --to. and you may want to produce html5.
1105 [18:16:07] <EdePopede> you can use pandoc to create a html
version out of its md docs ;)
1106 [18:16:21] <UncleCidd> Howdy! I've been trying to get
transmission to work on my server, but continue to get denied
permission. I'm not exactly sure what information to provide to
aid help
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1110 [18:17:41] <Lady_Aleena> EdePopede, no Perl POD!
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1112 [18:18:32] <EdePopede> --list-input-formats and pandoc
--list-output-formats <-- may be a start.
1113 [18:18:55] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Pandoc is, in my opinion,
a better markdown parser/generator than the original perl script and
has much more output possibilities, allowing you to be portable
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1115 [18:19:17] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: the nice thing is that
pandoc is usually pretty simple to operate for most tasks
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1118 [18:20:09] <UncleCidd> Oap, I'm finding some logs, I
have a direction.
1119 [18:21:16] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy and EdePopede, I
didn't want to convert my markdown to something else, I just
want to look at it made pretty. I will try to remember I have this
if every I come across a document conversion need. Nice tool!
1120 [18:21:44] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Well, any tool is going
to render it to html, first to make it look nice
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1122 [18:22:37] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy, so take my markdown,
parse it through pandoc, then send the output to the browser.
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1124 [18:24:12] <rubidious> Hello. Firefox is somehow stuck in a
state where it won't refresh the screen. It displays only the
tab at the top with the animated "loading" spinner.
1125 [18:24:24] <Lady_Aleena> ndegruchy and EdePopede, thank you
both for the help!
1126 [18:24:38] <ndegruchy> Lady_Aleena: Generally, yeah. Some
tools will hide this process from you, but generally most tools will
render html first and present it. Unfortunately, it's a bit of
a manual process in stable, but doable
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1128 [18:25:03] <rubidious> I can't close firefox because I
need something from one of the tabs
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1130 [18:27:35] <rubidious> there is nothing else going on on my
computer
1131 [18:27:51] <rubidious> oh this is the wrong channel
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1137 [18:31:22] <EdePopede> rubidious: what about its cpu usage?
doing something?
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1140 [18:32:19] <rubidious> zero cpu
1141 [18:32:30] <rubidious> it was downloading a file from
mega.co.nz
1142 [18:32:34] <EdePopede> does the interface react? clicking on
tabs, on the menu....
1143 [18:32:39] <rubidious> nope
1144 [18:32:43] <rubidious> I can't even see most of the
screen
1145 [18:32:52] <rubidious> just the tab that was selected
1146 [18:33:05] <rubidious> and not even the "screen"
part of that tab, just the actual tab at the top
1147 [18:33:19] <EdePopede> i have such things pretty often with
my low RAM and the old swap disk *g*
1148 [18:33:31] <rubidious> how do you fix it?
1149 [18:33:34] <EdePopede> sometimes it just takes forever, but i
also had to kill it before
1150 [18:33:45] <rubidious> I do occasionally have this as well
but this time I can't close it
1151 [18:33:59] <abrotman> if you kill it, FF should ask you to
reload the tabs
1152 [18:34:06] <rubidious> not in private mode..
1153 [18:34:22] <EdePopede> the question is only if it's in
the same state as before, scripting can be annoying
1154 [18:34:40] <rubidious> I've been down this road a few
times and there is literally no way to extract the tabs you had if
you're running with --no-remote -private
1155 [18:34:49] <rubidious> which is what I've been doing
like an idiot
1156 [18:35:00] <abrotman> oh
1157 [18:35:02] <rubidious> also EdePopede is right, I need
somethign from the current state
1158 [18:35:39] <abrotman> can you luanch the FF Task Manager?
1159 [18:36:23] <rubidious> ? You mean with -P?
1160 [18:36:24] <EdePopede> i also get warning sometimes about a
hanging script. no problem usually to stop it if it's one from
the page. but sometimes it is a chrome: url, and stopping these
isn't a really good idea :>
1161 [18:36:35] <abrotman> FIIK .. it's availabl ein the menu
1162 [18:36:58] <rubidious> can't get to the menu or anything
else I think
1163 [18:37:02] <rubidious> (what is FIIK?)
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1166 [18:39:10] <abrotman> In the FF menu (the three horizontal
lines), under More, there's a Task Manager
1167 [18:39:21] <rubidious> when I go from the workspace with irc
to the one with firefox, I just get the top little tab bits overlaid
on the view from the previous workspace
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1180 [18:47:28] <rubidious> EdePopede: what are your system specs?
I've been having these performance issues for ages on 4G ram /
4G swap core2 duo machine. Do you have any tips for avoiding it?
Other than not using "rich web apps"?
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1182 [18:47:50] <rubidious> also firefox basically kills my system
if I have more than ~40 tabs open
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1186 [18:48:29] <EdePopede> 4G? you like luxury, eh? 2G here and
an AMD64 X2 on a 2007 board with the sys on a 80GB barracuda.
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1190 [18:50:10] <EdePopede> that's why noscript is a
must-have, but svg and css also have become a problem. today's
web is in big parts a slurry pit with a lot of useless and often
broken bling.
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1195 [18:55:24] <rubidious> 2g must be hell, what's your swap
size?
1196 [18:55:41] <rubidious> my system is mid-range from 2006 so I
feel your pain
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1198 [18:55:56] <rubidious> also, I have ublock origin, privacy
badger and uMatrix in that browser
1199 [18:56:11] <rubidious> but you have to enable certain scripts
or sites just flat out don't work these days
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1205 [19:03:15] <EdePopede> 5G, but it isn't used too much.
only the act of swapping is, well.. time consuming
1206 [19:03:57] <EdePopede> ah, ubo here also. fun effect: at
least on one site it shows me the content again blocked because of
noscript
1207 [19:04:46] <rubidious> I don't bother with noscript so
much anymore, because it's so redundant with uMatrix
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1209 [19:04:50] <rubidious> but maybe I need to add it back
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1212 [19:05:21] <rubidious> I usually end up in the situation
where I run out of ram for all my tabs, then the machine thrashes as
it moves stuff from memory to swap
1213 [19:05:39] <rubidious> and that will be ~10-20 minutes of
frozen computer
1214 [19:05:47] <EdePopede> i like to know the tools i use,
noscript was rather clear from the beginning. i just don't find
the time to dive into another addon of that type.
1215 [19:06:37] <EdePopede> after browser starts i try to keep JS
usage as low as possible for as long as possible
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1217 [19:07:20] <EdePopede> my best bet would probably be to grab
some APIs and create usable web UIs on my own apache with their JSON
1218 [19:07:20] <rubidious> umatrix is nice because you can enable
certain scripts for certain sites
1219 [19:07:30] <EdePopede> ah sounds good
1220 [19:07:42] <rubidious> very simple ui as well
1221 [19:07:56] <rubidious> (it's a matrix!)
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1224 [19:11:47] <rubidious> I'm due for a new machine but
I'm trying to wait for prices to go down a bit
1225 [19:11:57] <rubidious> hopefully after the next gen stuff
comes out the current gen will be cheaper
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1227 [19:12:17] <dvs> rubidious, next gen of what?
1228 [19:12:23] <rubidious> but at this rate I'm going to
throw my computer across the room before too long
1229 [19:12:30] <rubidious> dvs: GPU/CPUs
1230 [19:12:38] <dvs> from whom?
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1232 [19:13:09] <rubidious> RTX 3000 series and AMD Big Navi are
due out in the next few months. AMD Zen 3 is due by November I think
1233 [19:13:32] <dvs> AMD. Ok.
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1235 [19:13:45] <dvs> because Intel's just came out.
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1237 [19:14:04] <rubidious> 11th gen?
1238 [19:14:19] <dvs> no, 10th. I'd still consider that new.
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1240 [19:14:37] <rubidious> ah
1241 [19:14:45] <rubidious> well it's tough to make an
argument for intel these days
1242 [19:14:57] <dvs> rubidious, actually, you have to be careful
with Linux and the absolute newest hardware. The kernel may not be
compatible with it yet.
1243 [19:15:19] <dvs> rubidious, but the Ryzen 3000 stuff seams to
work fine.
1244 [19:15:39] <rubidious> yes never buy new
1245 [19:15:50] <rubidious> usually 1 gen behind is fine
1246 [19:16:23] <rubidious> next build I'm hoping to do VFIO
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1248 [19:16:31] <rubidious> w/ GPU passthrough
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1270 [19:36:31] <cheapie> OK, so I have Debian installed on my
laptop here, which has a QCA6174 NIC (one of the ath10k_pci ones),
and while networking does work fine, is there some way to make it
connect a little faster after it boots? As-is, it takes about 10
seconds from the time I get to the desktop until I have a working
network connection.
1271 [19:37:05] <cheapie> 10 seconds isn't a big deal, so if
that's just the way it is then that's fine, but if
there's a way to speed that up then I'd like to do so.
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1288 [20:03:59] <f8e4> hey
1289 [20:04:04] <f8e4> anyonbe using snap?
1290 [20:04:13] <f8e4> my apps are all 'broken' it says
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1296 [20:22:34] <ratrace> f8e4: I checked it out on debian (after
using extensively on ubuntu) once last year, for pycharm. it worked
for me. define "broken"
1297 [20:23:25] <oxek> Is there a way of getting a list of every
package that exists in buster-backports?
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1299 [20:24:08] <Allainn> Hello. Have someone an idea about this ?
The file is not copying, just see an echo command placed in the
/etc/bash.bashrc of the remote computer. I have no problem to
connect with ssh. The command is: "~/$ scp filename.ext
alain@192.168.1.71:/home/alain
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1302 [20:24:49] <f8e4> ratrace nice, mine crashes all the time,
pycharm-community 2020.2
1303 [20:25:06] <ratrace> oxek: /var/lib/apt/lists/* maybe
1304 [20:25:11] <f8e4> wonder if a direct tar.gz install will
help?
1305 [20:25:27] <f8e4> should i dare to direct install?
1306 [20:25:32] <ratrace> f8e4: I'm not using the snap any
more, I install the upstream tarball into /opt
1307 [20:25:48] <ratrace> (because it works and doesn't
justify using a snap)
1308 [20:25:49] <f8e4> i am getting upset with snap too
1309 [20:27:31] <f8e4> ratrace lol , just untar and ./..sh, nice
1310 [20:27:37] <ratrace> f8e4: is there any log or output when it
crashes? don't forget you can run it from the command line
1311 [20:28:07] <f8e4> jre: # SIGSEGV (0xb) at
pc=0x00007fc3289d91da, pid=29851, tid=29859
1312 [20:28:08] <ratrace> f8e4: indeed, the upstream tarball
JustWorks(tm) out of the box, unpack, plug and play.
1313 [20:28:28] <jmcnaught> oxek: try "aptitude search
~Vbpo"
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1315 [20:28:41] <oxek> ratrace: awk '/Package/ { print $2
}'
/var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_buster-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages
1316 [20:29:09] <oxek> I think it works
1317 [20:30:15] <ratrace> f8e4: you could file a bug report
upstream (ubuntu's LP). snaps are supposed to work on any
distro that supports running snapd, so filing a bug that it
segfaults on debian, should be "on topic"
1318 [20:30:41] <oxek> jmcnaught: that gives me results that are
not in backports too
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1320 [20:31:07] <ratrace> and inb4 they say "report to
debian".... uhh no. debian's responsibility is to install
and run snapd. individual snaps crashing is upstream's
responsibility, that's the whole point of it.
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1322 [20:31:46] <oxek> ratrace: they'll say 'report to
debian' because it does not crash on their ubuntu systems
1323 [20:32:04] <GNU\colossus> running snapd is anyone's
burden - not their responsibility.
1324 [20:32:10] <ratrace> oxek: which goes against their concepts
of distro-portable run-anywhere snaps.
1325 [20:33:21] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: well, I mean, if a distro
chooses to support the package, then it's a responsibility :)
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1327 [20:34:06] <oxek> ratrace: that's what they say
publicly, but reality is that they just want a simpler package
manager for ubuntu server
1328 [20:34:27] <oxek> has debian weighed in on snap vs flatpak?
1329 [20:34:37] <ratrace> oxek: no, they want to cut out the
maintainership burden and have vendors package up stuff themselves.
1330 [20:34:55] <ratrace> oxek: there is no "vs" there.
neither replaces, or ever will replace, apt and .debs
1331 [20:35:55] <oxek> of course it will not replace deb &
apt, but that's not what I claimed. I am just interested if
anyone knows whether debian has expressed any sort of preference in
terms of snap vs flatpak
1332 [20:36:40] <jmcnaught> oxek: "aptitude -t
buster-backports -F'%p %V' search ~Vbpo | wc -l"
returns the same 4469 for me as without -t buster-backports, the
difference seems to be which candidate version is shown.
1333 [20:37:02] <ratrace> oxek: preference for what? why not both
and let users use what they want?
1334 [20:37:45] <oxek> ratrace: fair point
1335 [20:38:20] <oxek> jmcnaught: I'm trying to understand
the output now
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1337 [20:39:02] <ratrace> oxek: the problem is not so much with
preference as it is with feasibility. snaps are "more
native" than flatpaks on debian because debian now defaults to
supporting apparmor out of the box. flatpaks containment requires
selinux.
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1339 [20:39:54] <jmcnaught> oxek: all backports packages have
'bpo' in the version string, so searching with
aptitude's ?version(bpo) will list all packages that have a
version available with 'bpo' in their version string.
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1342 [20:41:44] <oxek> jmcnaught: that's a great observation,
thank you.
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1351 [20:56:06] <f8e4> how to configure the screen lock?
1352 [20:56:09] <f8e4> xfce4
1353 [20:57:27] <oxek> f8e4: what would you like to configure
about it?
1354 [20:57:36] <f8e4> enable + timeout
1355 [20:57:55] <oxek> Power Manager
1356 [20:59:20] <oxek> it'll be in the last tab, Security
1357 [20:59:35] <f8e4> can i increase the timeout, 6 hourse til
lock
1358 [20:59:46] <f8e4> the blank after is 60min only
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1360 [21:00:38] <oxek> It says 'When the screensaver is
activated', so if you set your screensaver after 6 hours it
should work
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1362 [21:01:21] <f8e4> i have a pure blank installation no
screensaver
1363 [21:01:33] <f8e4> where to put display blank (this when it
goes lock)
1364 [21:01:41] <f8e4> i can only set max 60min
1365 [21:02:07] <oxek> that's above my knowledge, perhaps
someone else will know
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1367 [21:02:38] <sney> sounds like you probably want to install
xscreensaver and run xscreensaver-demo to configure it
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1369 [21:03:31] <oxek> I never found automatic screen locking to
be reliable anyway
1370 [21:04:18] <oxek> the suspend functionality still does not
work reliably either - I often see computers resume from sleep, show
the last running app, and after a few seconds lock the screen
1371 [21:04:36] <oxek> (even though the settings say to lock
before suspend)
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1399 [21:44:32] <quadrathoch2> is there another IRC log, as the
one dpkg gives me doesn't work for me (404)
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1405 [21:46:58] <abrotman> quadrathoch2: what are you looking for?
1406 [21:47:32] <quadrathoch2> eh, some logs, as I wasn't
sure if I helped somebody out in the last few days. and my own
client is kinda crappy to look for old stuff
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1409 [21:48:40] <obiwahn> hi
1410 [21:48:58] <obiwahn> what do i need to do to disable ipv6 in
a vm completly?
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1415 [21:51:43] <obiwahn> I have an application that is started as
a plugin from a php webpage.
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1417 [21:52:17] <obiwahn> and it uses ipv6 while my bridges and
all the suff is just configured for ipv4
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1420 [21:54:02] <obiwahn> I have tried /etc/sysctl.conf and
ipv6.disable=1 in grub.
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1434 [22:11:29] <Allainn> obiwahn, check this one ?
replaced-url
1435 [22:11:40] <obiwahn> I manged to do that
1436 [22:11:52] <obiwahn> But now the app refueses to start:(
1437 [22:12:09] <obiwahn> I guess I need to read php code:P
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1446 [22:15:18] <oxek> ,v testssl.sh
1447 [22:15:19] <judd> Package: testssl.sh on amd64 -- stretch:
2.8~rc3+dfsg1-1; buster: 2.9.5-7+dfsg1-2; buster-backports:
3.0.2+dfsg1-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0.2+dfsg1-3; sid: 3.0.2+dfsg1-3
1448 [22:15:42] <oxek> the version in backports depends on
packages that don't exist in backports
1449 [22:15:47] <oxek> does that mean the package is broken?
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1451 [22:16:29] <sney> bpo packages should only depend on stable
and other bpo packages, yes
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1453 [22:17:11] <oxek> ,depends testssl.sh --release
buster-backports
1454 [22:17:13] <judd> Package testssl.sh in
buster-backports/amd64 -- depends: openssl (>= 1), bsdextrautils,
procps, dnsutils.
1455 [22:17:17] <oxek> ,v bsdextrautils
1456 [22:17:19] <judd> Package: bsdextrautils on amd64 --
bullseye: 2.36-1; sid: 2.36-2
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1460 [22:18:16] <sney> huh, weird. tracker says that comes from
util-linux source which is in stable otherwise
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1463 [22:18:55] <oxek> it is all sorts of weird
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1465 [22:19:06] <sney> definitely a bug, anyway
1466 [22:19:49] <oxek> it's probably because bsdmainutils is
turned into a transitional package in bullseye
1467 [22:20:02] <sney> aha: bsdextrautils only became part of
util-linux at version 2.35.2-3, which is newer than 2.33 in buster.
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1469 [22:20:41] <oxek> I'm trying to gather useful info
before making a bugreport
1470 [22:20:41] <sney> when the maintainer rebuilt the bullseye
package for bpo, they must not have tested installing it on a normal
stable vm. bad maintainer, no cookie.
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1473 [22:21:08] <sney> the testssl.sh maintainer, that is.
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1509 [23:26:15] <mrwebmaster> whats the best way to create a 1:1
backup copy of my drive so I can just plug it in via a usb adapter
and boot my backup if I need to?
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1511 [23:30:28] <sney> 2-bay duplicator
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1513 [23:33:18] <n4dir> i'd say simply rsync
1514 [23:33:19] <UncleCidd> the duplicator can be the adapter too
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1516 [23:34:22] <mrwebmaster> Id need to pull out my drive and put
it in slot 1 of that duplicator right? and my computer would run
like that?
1517 [23:34:37] <mrwebmaster> and slot 2 would be the backup? or?
im confused I think
1518 [23:35:05] <RoyK> n4dir: agreed. a duplicator on a live
filesystem will probably lead to corruption on the target
1519 [23:35:34] <RoyK> n4dir: or at least
"inconsistencies"
1520 [23:35:38] <sney> if you can't have downtime, then
something in software is your only option, yeah
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1522 [23:36:01] <nvz> idk what you're referring to but I have
a USB3 Dock/Duplicator here and when attached to the PC its nothing
more than two USB3 disks.. the duplicator only works when its not
hooked to the PC
1523 [23:36:16] <n4dir> RoyK: i didn't even think about
problems with other solutions. Just said that i had good experience
with rsync.
1524 [23:36:45] <n4dir> or wanted to say ...
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1526 [23:38:07] <mrwebmaster> ill look into rsync thanks
1527 [23:38:40] <n4dir> mrwebmaster: don't take my word for
it. There might well be other/better solutions. The arch wiki has
the command for a full system backup
1528 [23:39:06] <n4dir> but there is a bit of extra work. Editing
fstab and such. No biggies, but it is a bit more than that one
command to make it "boot"
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1530 [23:41:54] <mrwebmaster> extra work with rsync or the arch
linux solution?
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1532 [23:42:53] <n4dir> no, to make it boot. I recall a)
reinstalling grub b) editing fstab (of the backup) and c) something
with then network-interface, i forgot (only valid if you use it on a
different machine, iirc, been ages)
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1534 [23:44:16] <mrwebmaster> right cause you're booting
okay. i get it
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1536 [23:44:45] <n4dir> keep it in the back of your head, but
perhaps wait for better answers.
1537 [23:45:19] <mrwebmaster> Couldn't I preconfigure a file?
Or will it be assigned a different location if my primary goes dead?
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1539 [23:46:23] <n4dir> fstab ?
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1543 [23:52:56] <mrwebmaster> yeah
1544 [23:53:36] <n4dir> i guess you could do the first backup,
edit it once, then add /etc/fstab to the excludes list of the rsync
command.
1545 [23:53:59] <n4dir> blkid is the command for the UUID of the
partition.
1546 [23:54:36] <n4dir> (again: don't take my word for it)
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1549 [23:58:07] <n4dir> now i think the other file might have been
in /etc/udev/rules.d; but on this machine that folder is empty.
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