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12 [00:08:50] <eb0t> test
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14 [00:09:02] <eb0t> hey i have gnome installed and i cant see a
sound device
15 [00:09:06] <eb0t> i have no sound
16 [00:09:11] <ksk> Hey. I am looking for a web based software
to visualize and intract with serveral data types, like for example
a list or an array. Like: what phpmyadmin is for mysql but more
general and not mysql? hope you get what I mean.
17 [00:09:12] <eb0t> any troubleshooting ideas
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19 [00:09:15] <ksk> hello eb0t
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22 [00:10:10] <eb0t> gnome volume is up
23 [00:10:16] <eb0t> speakers work on other systemd
24 [00:10:21] <eb0t> speakers plugged in
25 [00:10:27] <ksk> I am not into desktop, but.,
26 [00:10:33] <eb0t> lspci -v shows using intel driver
27 [00:10:43] <ksk> !tell eb0t about alsa checklist
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29 [00:10:59] <eb0t> ah sounds great ksk
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31 [00:11:15] <eb0t> i cant see it though in my weechat
32 [00:11:19] <eb0t> ah found it
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34 [00:11:35] <tomcres> I had a similar problem. I had to rm -rf
~/.config/pulseaudio then pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start
35 [00:11:36] <ksk> eb0t: also, if you google for something like
"ubuntuusers sound troubleshooting" you would and up in
"that one forum" which was kind of nice.
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37 [00:11:58] <ksk> s/and up/end up
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39 [00:12:22] <ksk> oh nevermind, that was in german language
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44 [00:13:40] <eb0t> ah thanks ksk
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46 [00:14:18] <eb0t> ah tomcres....i still dont understand the
difference between pulse audio and alsa
47 [00:14:25] <eb0t> its rocket science basically
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49 [00:14:51] <eb0t> if you have alsa sound why do you need
pulse audio ..and there is something called jack ..what is jack
about
50 [00:17:37] <tomcres> Jack is like pulseaudio, but lower
latency and more geared towards professional audio whereas
pulseaudio is geared towards desktop use.
51 [00:18:16] <eb0t> yes but tomcres...how does alsa tie into
all that
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54 [00:18:29] <eb0t> can you run jack and pulseaudio without
alsa
55 [00:18:48] <bazhang> no
56 [00:19:04] <bazhang> eb0t, pulse is not a replacement for
alsa
57 [00:19:15] <eb0t> so why not forget jack ...forget pulseaudio
and just run alsa
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60 [00:19:35] <tomcres> alsa is the low level sound driver that
interfaces directly with the hardware. It's part of the kernel
61 [00:19:55] <bazhang> eb0t, did you have an actual support
issue, or is this rhetorical
62 [00:20:08] <eb0t> ah right no i have a support issue ...i
have zero sound
63 [00:20:18] <eb0t> and im getting confused
64 [00:20:30] <tomcres> You can use just alsa without a sound
server, but you lose certain benefits like on the fly redirection of
sound output
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66 [00:20:37] <bazhang> eb0t, can you run alsamixer in terminal
67 [00:20:55] <eb0t> im trying to run in terminal ..just
reinstalling it
68 [00:21:00] <eb0t> well alsa-utils
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71 [00:21:48] <eb0t> im going to have a good mess around and see
what happens once it is installed.
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73 [00:22:05] <eb0t> thanks tomcres and bazhang
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77 [00:24:54] <Diogenes_> Good night.
78 [00:25:04] <bazhang> np
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80 [00:25:40] <Diogenes_> I'm trying to create an external
HD with a bootable drive to install debian plus an encripted LVM
storage.
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82 [00:26:26] <Diogenes_> I have this 1TB drive, which I belive
I could partition 2GB for the installer and the rest for the
encripted storage.
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84 [00:27:18] <Diogenes_> I created the bootable instaler using
the "Restore Disk Image" function in GNOME's disk
utility.
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86 [00:28:05] <Diogenes_> As for the reminder of the free space,
when I try to format it as a LVM volume, I get the following error
message...
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90 [00:29:58] <Diogenes_>
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94 [00:30:45] <Diogenes_> When I start GParted, I get something
similar, "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is
2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
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98 [00:32:21] <Diogenes_> Gentleman, how should I respond to
these error messages?
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101 [00:32:52] <bazhang> Diogenes_, using a one terabyte as an
installer?
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105 [00:33:29] <Diogenes_> Yeah, I would like to partition it, so
that I could use the remaining space.
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109 [00:34:38] <bazhang> Diogenes_, is there some reason not to
go for either the net install, or use a usb stick with persistence
for this instead
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117 [00:39:28] <Diogenes_> Sure, I could make an USB with a net
install. It's just that this external HD is going to store my
system's backup. I figured It would be uch more straightfoward
putting an installer and its respective recovery files in the same
media.
118 [00:39:36] <Diogenes_> Would that be possible?
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141 [00:49:25] <dirkson> Hey all. I'd like my system to
sleep/suspend instead of turn the monitor off. How do I do that?
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166 [01:03:11] <C67> I just installed xen and X will not come up,
just black screen ( also used nomodeset in option in grub and still
no go )
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172 [01:07:02] <tobiasBora> Hello,
173 [01:07:23] <tobiasBora> I would like to know, is it normal if
I cannot update on testing and sid because of the error:
174 [01:07:25] <tobiasBora> systemd : Casse: rdnssd (<
1.0.1-5) mais 1.0.1-1+b1 devra être installé
175 [01:08:01] <tobiasBora> *systemd: Broke rdnssd (< 1.0.1-5)
but 1.0.1-1+b1 should be installed
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244 [01:50:16] <Igel> hello
245 [01:50:21] <Igel> time sync
246 [01:50:22] <Igel> real 3m40.382s
247 [01:50:27] <Igel> what do?
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for
256 [01:53:23] <somiaj> !bat
257 [01:53:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
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258 [01:53:45] <somiaj> tobiasBora: also put LANG=C at the start
of each command you run so the output is in english
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315 [02:34:28] <dvs> luxury!
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440 [03:47:40] <d---> debian-stretch-DI-rc2-amd64-DVD-1.iso
441 [03:47:46] <d---> what does DI stand for?
442 [03:47:50] <d---> obviously rc2 is release candidate 2
443 [03:48:02] <missmbob> debian installer
444 [03:48:05] <d---> thank you :)
445 [03:48:40] <dvs> do it!
446 [03:49:26] <d--->
replaced-url
447 [03:49:29] <d---> do itttt
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472 [04:01:25] <efloid> anyone know if nextcloud will be in
stretch?
473 [04:02:06] <brizz> im trying to setup a cheap asus laptop
(553s) to have debian be main os
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475 [04:02:23] <efloid> guess not becuase i don't see it
even in unstable :-(
476 [04:03:11] <brizz> i want to extend hdmi to a laptop
monitor...and trying to extend
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478 [04:03:18] <somiaj> efloid: is there a package for it now?
479 [04:03:34] <somiaj> stretch is frozen, if a package is not in
stretch, it will not be in stretch.
480 [04:03:49] <somiaj> brizz: look at xrandr
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488 [04:07:12] <efloid> somiaj: unfortunately not
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490 [04:08:42] <efloid> somiaj: maybe the responsibility of
freezing the release and being responsible for maintaining security
& critical updates for it over the lifetime of stretch is too
much, so instead just install from source
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492 [04:09:39] <efloid> they focus their energy on maintaining
the current release
493 [04:09:59] <somiaj> yea sometimes packages don't get
into debian because there is no one who will matain the version that
gets frozen in debian
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498 [04:15:09] <tomcres1> ,i dfm
499 [04:15:10] <judd> No package named 'dfm' was found
in jessie/amd64.
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505 [04:18:44] <jak2000> hi all
506 [04:19:12] <somiaj> hi
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512 [04:27:18] <racecardad> Hello, I have a script that I run in
cron every minute. However for some reason it's not running the
script. It works if I manually run the script in shell but the cron
for some reason isn't running it. I checked syslog and see that
it's been run. No errors.
513 [04:27:39] <somiaj> racecardad: what is the command you put
in the crontab?
514 [04:28:28] <somiaj> racecardad: or maybe share the script. It
could be the enviorment used by Cron is not the same as the one you
are testing the script in causing it to not work the same.
515 [04:28:34] <racecardad> * * * * * /home/run/script.sh
>/dev/null 2>&1
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517 [04:29:04] <missmbob> racecardad: does the command need to do
anything in x?
518 [04:29:14] <somiaj> what makes you think the script fails?
You pip all errors and output to /dev/null so it isn't
suprising you don't see any output in syslog
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520 [04:29:42] <dvs> isnt there suppose to be a user id on that
line?
521 [04:29:54] <racecardad> you are right. i totally forgot about
that.
522 [04:29:59] <racecardad> let me run it and log
523 [04:30:03] <dvs> !prize me
524 [04:30:03] * dpkg gives dvs a medal.
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528 [04:32:52] <racecardad> log appears to show line 13:
livestreamer: command not found
529 [04:33:27] <racecardad> livestreamer is installed though
530 [04:33:33] <racecardad> unless i am calling it in the bash
script wrong
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534 [04:34:09] <tomcres1> It could be that PATH is different in
cron's environment
535 [04:34:40] <tomcres1> Try setting PATH explicitly in the
crontab
536 [04:34:43] <dvs> I don't think there is a PATH in a cron
environment
537 [04:36:01] <somiaj> I think you have to either set it in the
script or use absolute paths
538 [04:36:16] <racecardad> yes that fixed it
539 [04:36:21] <racecardad> whereis livestreamer
/usr/local/bin/livestreamer
540 [04:36:36] <racecardad> i wasnt aware of calling it directly.
541 [04:36:43] <racecardad> makes sense though. thanks for the
help guys.
542 [04:36:49] <dvs> yay
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545 [04:41:03] <foul_owl> Does anyone use the mx repos as
backports? Just for newer versions of packages? Are they safe to
use?
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547 [04:41:41] <missmbob> !dont break debian
548 [04:41:41] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is
replaced-url
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550 [04:42:24] <missmbob> !tell foul_owl about frankendebian
551 [04:42:35] <foul_owl> Hmmm, my issue is that I need a new
version of thunar
552 [04:42:49] <foul_owl> Because the current version is buggy.
The screen doesn't redraw randomly
553 [04:44:13] <dvs> ,v thunar
554 [04:44:15] <judd> Package: thunar on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-2; stretch: 1.6.10-4; sid: 1.6.10-4
555 [04:44:30] <foul_owl> When a package is buggy, should I try a
newer version first or should I file a bug report?
556 [04:45:01] <foul_owl> Sounds like the later, since that link
is telling me not to try compiling things from source or making a
frankendebian :P
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562 [04:46:19] <dvs> foul_owl, you can try and backport a newer
version
563 [04:46:26] <dvs> !tell foul_owl about ssd
564 [04:46:33] <dvs> !tell foul_owl about ssb
565 [04:46:54] <foul_owl> Ooo self backporting eh?
566 [04:47:16] <dvs> if you gotta have it, that's the way to
go.
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569 [04:48:08] <somiaj> foul_owl: what version of debian are you
running?
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572 [04:49:29] <foul_owl> 8
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577 [04:50:47] <somiaj> foul_owl: you may have to compile a newer
version then.
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580 [04:51:37] <foul_owl> If I take the self backport route,
would it be useful if I hosted those debs somewhere? Say on aws? I
wouldn't mind paying for it if other folks could use it
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585 [04:51:56] <foul_owl> Or is it just something no one would
ever use do you think?
586 [04:52:02] <foul_owl> Or encouraging bad practice?
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588 [04:52:20] <somiaj> if you like, though most here advise
against using third party untrusted .deb's but it happens
589 [04:52:39] <somiaj> and as for your bug, are you sure there
is no workaround except for a newer version?
590 [04:53:07] <foul_owl> I'm not really sure. Basically
what happens is the thunar window freezes
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592 [04:53:21] <foul_owl> I can still use the keyboard shortcuts
so the actaully process is still responding
593 [04:53:38] <foul_owl> But it appears the window redraw
function never executes again
594 [04:53:56] <somiaj> and you are sure the bug is with thunar?
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597 [04:55:17] <foul_owl> No other x window has this issue
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599 [04:55:30] <foul_owl> Technically I do not know for certain
600 [04:56:26] <foul_owl> Let me try compiling a new version
601 [04:56:29] <somiaj> anyways compiling a newer version is one
thing to check, you can also check old bugreports to see if anyone
else has this problem
602 [04:56:36] <foul_owl> Thank you!
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604 [04:56:53] <foul_owl> That "don't break
debian" link is really good to know
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606 [04:59:00] <unborn> !tell unborn about ssd
607 [04:59:21] <somiaj> !tell unborn about self tell
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609 [04:59:24] <somiaj> unborn: also it is ssb
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611 [05:00:03] <unborn> oh
612 [05:00:11] <unborn> didnt know I can pm bot. thanks
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618 [05:03:12] <foul_owl> I have one more quick question
619 [05:03:19] <dvs> no! ;-)
620 [05:03:29] <foul_owl> firefox is able to have full control
over my cpu, even if I renice it
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622 [05:04:43] <foul_owl> Giving it a nice value of 19
doesn't help
623 [05:04:51] <foul_owl> It can still bring my entire system to
a screaming halt
624 [05:04:59] <foul_owl> Requires pressing the reset button
625 [05:05:06] <foul_owl> No other process on my system can do
this
626 [05:05:08] <somiaj> are you running this as root?
627 [05:05:20] <foul_owl> running renice as root
628 [05:05:24] <somiaj> sounds like you have something wrong with
your system or just xorg?
629 [05:05:24] <foul_owl> Not running firefox as root
630 [05:05:50] <somiaj> if thunar and firefox are causing such
problems, I don't think the issue is with either firefox or
tunar
631 [05:05:51] <foul_owl> In the past I have seen messages about
soft lockup, cpu stuck for 10-20 seconds
632 [05:06:00] <foul_owl> thunar is an entirely different issue
633 [05:06:09] <foul_owl> It still responds, I have checked with
strace
634 [05:06:14] <foul_owl> It just doesn't redraw the window
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637 [05:06:38] <foul_owl> firefox is a different issue, it causes
my entire system to hang
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639 [05:06:48] <somiaj> I think they are related, these bugs are
not normal for users of jessie.
640 [05:07:09] <foul_owl> Hmmm
641 [05:07:30] <somiaj> they sound hardware/driver related
642 [05:07:34] <somiaj> maybe i/o related.
643 [05:07:52] <foul_owl> mcelog doesn't report any errors
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645 [05:08:12] <foul_owl> Are there any other places to check for
hw errors?
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647 [05:08:40] <foul_owl> (mcelog daemon is running of course)
648 [05:09:21] <somiaj> I look at the output of dmesg, I would
run an ssh server and see if you can ssh in when it locks up, that
means xorg is crashing, which it could be firefox crashes xorg,
while thunar just causes it to not redraw
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650 [05:09:46] <foul_owl> When firefox locks the system, I
can't ssh in
651 [05:09:57] <foul_owl> When thunar messes up, all I have to do
is restart thunar
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653 [05:10:12] <foul_owl> Also when firefox locks the system, the
numlock key stops responding also
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655 [05:10:35] <somiaj> when xorg goes, it will take the
keyboard/video with it, but the system may still be running
656 [05:10:52] <somiaj> I had an old gpu that use to crash/lock
up, xorg would die. Replaced the gpu, everything worked fine.
657 [05:10:53] <foul_owl> Ah ok xorg can take the keyboard with
it
658 [05:11:03] <somiaj> I could also ssh into the system to
restart it.
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660 [05:11:33] <foul_owl> I have seen xorg taking up a very high
number of cycles in top
661 [05:11:54] <foul_owl> Could be a bug in xorg perhaps?
662 [05:12:38] <somiaj> it is most likely hardware from what you
have described (or drivers)
663 [05:13:55] <foul_owl> All my hw has been purchased recently,
video card is a 1060 gtx
664 [05:14:14] <foul_owl> Is there a way I can detect errors in
ram, mobo, proc, or video card?
665 [05:14:17] <somiaj> could be drivers?
666 [05:14:27] <somiaj> what kernel and driver are you using for
that card?
667 [05:14:40] <foul_owl> 3.16.0-4-amd64
668 [05:14:54] <foul_owl> 367.44
669 [05:15:25] <dvs> yeah, the kernel is older than the video
card.
670 [05:15:41] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
671 [05:15:42] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2;
stretch/non-free: 375.26-2
672 [05:16:03] <somiaj> foul_owl: how did you install those
367.44 drivers?
673 [05:16:49] <foul_owl>
replaced-url
674 [05:17:45] <foul_owl> I thought the driver built a module for
my kernel
675 [05:18:01] <somiaj> okay, just making sure you didn't
get them from nvidia.com directly
676 [05:18:10] <foul_owl> Gotcha
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678 [05:18:27] <kevdude> hi
679 [05:18:29] <foul_owl> Should I upgrade my kernel?
680 [05:18:45] <somiaj> anyways I would try the 4.9 kernel from
jessie-backports over the default 3.16 card and upgrade to the
newest 375.26 drivers from jessie-backports and see if this helps.
It could be the drivers are just crashing on that newer card with an
older kernel.
681 [05:19:07] <foul_owl> Is it safe to use the kernel from
backports? ie, it's not like a bleeding edge thing?
682 [05:19:11] <somiaj> foul_owl: also being non-free drivers, it
can be hard to debug/report bugs. I had a nvidia card that did
strange things.
683 [05:19:30] <foul_owl> Thank you for all the help!!
684 [05:19:35] <somiaj> foul_owl: it is built for jessie and will
run just fine. The old 3.16 kernel will still be installed and you
can use that. So it won't break things, but it isn't as
'well tested'
685 [05:19:43] <foul_owl> Ah ok I see
686 [05:19:45] <foul_owl> Awesome
687 [05:19:52] <foul_owl> Thanks again
688 [05:19:55] <somiaj> !bpo kernel
689 [05:19:55] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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703 [05:31:46] <yousuc> how come debian 9 still has partial
systemd support and not full, why keep using sysv, cron, and grub
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707 [05:32:19] <somiaj> yousuc: debian has had full systemd
support since debian 8
708 [05:32:38] <somiaj> oh you mean not using bootctrl and such,
I think these are there, just not default.
709 [05:32:57] <yousuc> why keep using sysv calls?
710 [05:33:12] <brennen> because change takes time.
711 [05:33:31] <somiaj> debian plans to support multiple init
systems for the forseeable future, so not only would they need to be
changed, a system would have to be in place to use either depending
on the init system.
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713 [05:34:06] <yousuc> mainly an arch user, but i played around
a little bit with rc2
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715 [05:35:14] <yousuc> rc2 isnt bad, but i was hoping to see
more systemd
716 [05:35:21] <yousuc> and less of sysv etc..
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718 [05:36:44] <yousuc> dunno about supporting multiple init
systems
719 [05:37:00] <yousuc> i know systemd haters going to hate
720 [05:37:15] <yousuc> reminds me of democrats...
721 [05:37:53] <brennen> troll harder.
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723 [05:38:23] <yousuc> since when is giving some feedback
trolling?
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725 [05:42:02] <somiaj> yousuc: Debian supports a lot of stuff,
to give the users the choice of what they want to use. Supporting
different init systems is just fine provided they can keep the
support up. which means some defaults are made to support both. You
can use bootctl and other newer features in systemd if you want, you
just have to configure them.
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728 [05:42:18] <somiaj> debian also still supports lilo
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730 [05:42:54] <yousuc> somiaj i hear yah
731 [05:43:13] <somiaj> it does try to live up to the universial
operating system.
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735 [05:43:44] <somiaj> also does bootctl (previousally gumiboot)
work for non-efi systems?
736 [05:44:18] <yousuc> no that it does not, but eventually we
have to stop supporting older stuff eventually
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739 [05:44:55] <yousuc> not everyone can buy the latest and
greatest yet
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741 [05:45:30] <somiaj> sure, but no reason to just throw out old
support until the time of the developers is not worth it.
742 [05:45:33] <yousuc> i remember the good ol days with lilo
back in the 80s
743 [05:45:58] <somiaj> debian has slowly droped for support for
386 and 486 over the years but sill supports 586 for example
744 [05:47:05] <somiaj> anyways, just because something is not
default in debian doens't mean it isn't there. The expert
installer gives you a little more control, and you can always do a
manual install with deboostrap and use bootctl from the start.
745 [05:47:20] <yousuc> another growing trend is stateless
746 [05:47:38] <yousuc> but can save that for a later discussion
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748 [05:49:04] <somiaj> Debian's goal is a diverse frozen
system, so it stays behind the trends.
749 [05:49:44] <brennen> a good way to avoid being destroyed by
the trends, as it turns out.
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751 [05:49:50] <yousuc> yeah i noticed, i play around with other
distros once and awhile
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753 [05:50:32] <yousuc> but i support alot of ubuntu and arch
servers
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756 [05:51:23] <brennen> i've been contemplating a dive back
into arch
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759 [05:52:19] <brennen> it's an appealing system in a bunch
of ways, but i always wind up back in an environment where i
don't have to configure everydamnthing.
760 [05:52:34] <yousuc> arch is my main os i use, but when i get
bored i try others like debian, solus, clearlinux
761 [05:52:35] <brennen> sure do piggyback on archwiki a lot,
though.
762 [05:52:55] <yousuc> and then usually revert back to arch
763 [05:52:58] <yousuc> lol
764 [05:53:20] <yousuc> but each distro has its on + and -'s
765 [05:53:35] <yousuc> i wont knock a particular distro
766 [05:54:02] <yousuc> arch does have a very good wiki section
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768 [05:57:15] <somiaj> we should try not to spend to much time
talking about arch, this is #debian
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772 [05:59:55] <yousuc> yeah i agree, and off topic a little
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779 [06:06:30] <sosueme> *test
780 [06:06:33] <sosueme> *test*
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804 [06:32:38] <cracker> cc
805 [06:32:44] <cracker> cc
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808 [06:33:01] <cracker> card
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822 [06:41:02] <ImUs3r> how can i install vmware tool on debian?
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833 [06:47:49] <tacocat> ImUs3r: install the
open-vm-tools-desktop package
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835 [06:48:28] <ImUs3r> install the open-vm-tools-desktop package
vs install the open-vm-tools-desktop, which is correct? tacocat ?
836 [06:48:56] <tacocat> what?
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838 [06:49:17] <ImUs3r> install the open-vm-tools-desktop package
<—— i must add ‘package’ ?
839 [06:49:22] <tacocat> no
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841 [06:49:28] <tacocat> something like "apt-get install
open-vm-tools-desktop" should work
842 [06:49:38] <ImUs3r> oh thanks
843 [06:49:53] <tacocat> if you prefer synaptic, aptitude, or any
other frontend, you can use those too
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849 [06:56:37] <ImUs3r> Error when getting information for file
‘//tmp/VMwareDnD/ <—— tacocat what’s
wrong?
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853 [07:03:27] <tacocat> i'm not too familiar with vmware
unfortunately :(
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877 [07:17:57] <ImUs3r> ok thanks tacocat :)
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1010 [09:11:59] <tdn> I am trying to use logwatch and customize it
as described in README.debian, however, when I disable some of the
service modules in /etc/logwatch/logwatch.conf, they are still
included in the run. So it appears that nothing I put in
logwatch.conf has any effect. My logwatch.conf is here:
replaced-url
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1056 [09:26:19] <haba713> hi! which package should be installed to
handle apt: urls in iceweasel / firefox? the packages mentioned in
replaced-url
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1101 [09:39:44] <at0m|c> ,v aptlinex
1102 [09:39:45] <judd> No package named 'aptlinex' was
found in amd64.
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1128 [09:56:00] <haba713> at0m|c: apt-get install aptlinex =>
E: Unable to locate package aptlinex
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1165 [10:08:09] <no_gravity> I kind of figured it out: In screen,
I only have 16 colors. Putting this in my bashrc fixes it:
"TERM=xterm-256color". Is it a good idea to do that?
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1171 [10:10:25] <jelly> no_gravity: in stretch, there's a
/usr/share/terminfo/s/screen.xterm-256color definition
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1178 [10:11:29] <no_gravity> I think I will just stick to
"TERM=xterm-256colo" in my bashrc. I don't like to
have my settings scattered all around.
1179 [10:11:41] <at0m|c> haba713: right, cos there's no such
package available, see what judd replied
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1518 [11:14:15] <_Nox> morning all
1519 [11:14:40] <smojphace> Gode morwene!
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1521 [11:15:07] <_Nox> ;-)
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1537 [11:25:02] <jawr> hey, so stretch has removed mysql. is there
any docu on this, i only found one mailing list that briefly
mentioned security issues? also how come it still seems to be in
sid?
1538 [11:25:41] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1539 [11:25:42] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1541 [11:25:54] <dka>
replaced-url
1542 [11:25:58] <petn-randall> jawr: Let's move the
discussion to the right channel. ^^^ See you there.
1543 [11:26:00] <jawr> thanks petn-randall
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1545 [11:26:55] <jawr> wait, i cant join and not sure i understand
`it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.`
1546 [11:27:07] <jawr> oh
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1548 [11:27:24] <petn-randall> :)
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1552 [11:27:51] <petn-randall> dka: You'll probably have
better luck asking in a JS channel.
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1555 [11:28:28] <babilen> jawr: fwiw, you might want to take a
look at MariaDB
1556 [11:28:59] <jawr> mysql-client is a dependency for dbd::mysql
unfortunately
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1558 [11:29:57] <dka> petn-randall, it's a generic math
question
1559 [11:30:28] <petn-randall> dka: How is that related to Debian
though?
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1561 [11:30:41] <bazhang> ##maths ?
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1578 [11:38:12] <vinalencc> Hello, guys! How are you? I'd
like to ask something, but I'm not sure if this is the right
channel to ask about it. Can I ask it anyway?
1579 [11:38:36] <bazhang> debian support?
1580 [11:38:40] <petn-randall> vinalencc: Feel free to ask, and we
might redirect you to the right channel.
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1582 [11:39:35] <vinalencc> OK, I want to know about LAN devices
and virtual LAN, like eth0 and eth0:0. Where can I ask about it?
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1584 [11:40:34] <petn-randall> vinalencc: Probably ##networking is
a good start, but you should probably have the basics already
covered from e.g. Wikipedia.
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1586 [11:40:50] <vinalencc> petn-randall: OK, thanks mate!
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1589 [11:43:12] <dka> petn-randall, because I am trying to make
the calcul on debian
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1591 [11:43:25] <dka> xD
1592 [11:43:26] <dka> Ok
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1598 [11:45:09] <petn-randall> dka: Also it looks a lot like a
homework assignment to me ....
1599 [11:45:45] <dka> petn-randall, to me it look like I just
can't do it without help
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1618 [11:51:56] <gavit> if one sees a mac address on the switch,
but mii-tool indicates no tranceiver present, and I cant ping is
this a driver issue?
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1622 [11:52:34] <petn-randall> gavit: Could also be a hardware
defect (especially the cabling).
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1629 [11:55:50] <Hanonim> Hi folks !
1630 [11:56:17] <Hanonim> I'm wondering if it is safe to
remove perl and python for creating a very minimal setup
1631 [11:56:53] <bazhang> Hanonim, the net install?
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1633 [11:57:27] <Hanonim> bazhang: Actually it's raspbian
lite, but as itis basically debian, here i am
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1637 [11:57:46] <bazhang> Hanonim, #raspbian then
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1641 [11:57:57] <bazhang> debian does not support that
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1645 [11:58:13] <Hanonim> bazhang: i went there but didn't
get a proper answer, i thought i might try here :)
1646 [11:58:14] <Iridos> and it's probably not safe
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1648 [11:58:46] <Iridos> dpkg, essential
1649 [11:58:46] <dpkg> Packages that are assumed to be available
on your machine and as such are not included in the list of
dependencies for packages. Essential packages must be usable at all
times even when packages are unconfigured. See <policy>
section 3.8 for details; list them with "aptitude search
~E" (see <aptitude search>).
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1653 [11:59:38] <Hanonim> thanks !
1654 [11:59:46] <Iridos> … or even possible…
perl-base is essential and I don't think you even *can*
uninstall it
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1656 [12:00:36] <Iridos> btw. I heard a lot of people run
stock-debian on the pi with just the kernel from raspian
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1658 [12:00:53] <Hanonim> yes and trying to purge python tells me
it will install other python3 stuff
1659 [12:02:11] <at0m|c> Iridos: that's ineed what i'm
running on any pi above rpi1
1660 [12:02:31] <SynrG> Hanonim: after a while dealing with
"minimal" configurations of debian (on an underpowered
netbook) i learned that what mostly drives this is having bought
pathetic hardware and wanting to make it do more than it is capable
of ...
1661 [12:02:31] <at0m|c> changing the sources.list during install
to debian repo's
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1663 [12:02:47] <SynrG> Hanonim: the solution seems to be to throw
away your crappy hardware and buy something decent instead ;)
1664 [12:03:01] <Iridos> dpkg, minimal system
1665 [12:03:02] <dpkg> i don't know, Iridos
1666 [12:03:03] <Iridos> pft
1667 [12:03:08] <Iridos> dpkg, minimal install
1668 [12:03:09] <dpkg> See
replaced-url
1669 [12:03:10] <SynrG> (or rather, the time spent trying to
achieve such a minimal setup never seemed to be recouped in benefit
received from it)
1670 [12:03:16] <at0m|c> SynrG: as if rpi's aren't good
capable of running python and/or perl :p
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1672 [12:03:43] <Hanonim> SynrG: it's just i plan to use RPIs
for iot, so removing powerful but unnecessary tools like python or
perl might have been a good idea
1673 [12:03:44] <Iridos> at0m|c, maybe they're no parselmouth
^ ^
1674 [12:04:12] <themill> yeah, it's really important to
maximise unused space on the SD card…
1675 [12:04:16] <at0m|c> Hanonim: running a pretty minimal install
on just above half a GB. why would you want these packages removed?
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1677 [12:04:35] <Iridos> 640K should be enough!!
1678 [12:04:43] <at0m|c> ... for everything, ever!
1679 [12:04:46] <SynrG> shut up, bill
1680 [12:04:58] <Iridos> he actually never said that…
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1684 [12:06:59] <Hanonim> at0m|c: well, i'm thinking about
security. but then, if someone gets access, he will easily install
whatever he needs, so i'm probably overthinking
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1687 [12:07:52] <at0m|c> Hanonim: least on rpi1, using
'big' SD card, you could floppy-style set the hardware to
read-only
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1689 [12:08:27] <Hanonim> at0m|c: but then my programs won't
be able to write even a single file
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1691 [12:09:45] <SynrG> if you want to lovingly handcraft a truly
minimal solution, you should probably build a distro from scratch
anyway ... but we've veered waay OT :)
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1693 [12:10:20] <boxrick1> On CentOS after installing the OS it
leaves an anaconda.ks in the home directory with an equivalent set
of install options which it used to install itself. Is there an
equivalent for the "preseed" in Debian?
1694 [12:10:26] <at0m|c> ,v fsprotect
1695 [12:10:27] <judd> Package: fsprotect on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.6; jessie: 1.0.6; stretch: 1.0.7; sid: 1.0.7
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1698 [12:10:49] <at0m|c> Hanonim: fsprotect can make your
partitions read-only from init
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1700 [12:11:24] <Hanonim> at0m|c: sweet, thanks! :)
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1707 [12:14:30] <SynrG> boxrick1: there's just whatever is
put in /var/log/installer/ and if that doesn't contain what you
need, i guess not.
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1709 [12:14:39] <no_gravity> What would be a quick way to get a
newer version of cutycapt on debian 8?
1710 [12:15:02] <SynrG> boxrick1: i was looking at mine (mind you,
i installed 6.5 years ago ...) and it didn't seem like there
was ...
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1713 [12:15:46] <boxrick1> In this particular instance I just have
a server with a funny external SCSI box which seems to be causing
issues with my normal pre-seed
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1716 [12:16:07] <boxrick1> Just trying to figure out what config
option in the standard installer makes it work.
1717 [12:16:17] <SynrG> ah
1718 [12:16:22] * SynrG shrugs helpfully
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1720 [12:17:29] <SynrG> boxrick1: debconf-get-selections and look
at the d-i stuff? or ...
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1722 [12:17:44] <boxrick1> That folder will be useful anyway
1723 [12:17:50] <boxrick1> So cheers for that :)
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1726 [12:18:22] <SynrG> boxrick1: debconf-get-selections | grep
^d-i
1727 [12:18:40] <SynrG> this shows me a mere 3 things (keymap,
language, country ... sounds about right for a simple install)
1728 [12:18:48] <SynrG> there may be others that aren't in
the d-i group
1729 [12:19:59] <no_gravity> What would be a quick way to get a
newer version of cutycapt on debian 8? Would it be complicated to
get it from unstable?
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1769 [12:45:42] <at0m|c> dpkg: tell no_gravity about backports
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1777 [12:47:57] <no_gravity> Gotta go now.
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1779 [12:48:05] <no_gravity> Thanks and cu!
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1815 [12:58:22] <Gravious> hello, i am trying to install some
nonfree fonts using instructions from
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1816 [12:58:26] <Gravious> google is not helpful
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1820 [13:00:10] <Gravious> oh nvm, being especially dumb today
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1822 [13:02:31] <pampeho> Gravious: happens to me sometimes as
well :)
1823 [13:03:23] <Gravious> :)
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1892 [13:59:30] <sobczyk> is there an ETA on qt5.8 in testing or
unstable
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1899 [14:03:59] <themill> sobczyk: unlikely to happen until after
stretch is released
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1906 [14:04:53] <vm_> HI
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1908 [14:05:29] <vm_> I just installed Debian 8, firmware-iwlwifi
for my intel 3945 card. I am able to see the networks but not able
to connect.
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1910 [14:06:13] <vm_> I do not get a pop up asking for the wifi
password and also the indicator for wireless is not lighted up on my
laptop
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1912 [14:06:44] <doubledutch> vm_ what does your
/etc/network/interfaces
1913 [14:06:47] <doubledutch> file look like?
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1917 [14:08:34] <vm_>
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1919 [14:09:17] <vm_> doubledutch:
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1929 [14:13:53] <vm_> doubledutch: I am connected over ethernet
now. Any idea what the problem is?
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1931 [14:16:26] <petn-randall> vm_: Many laptops have keyboard
shortcuts to turn on the wifi, try using that.
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1936 [14:17:04] <vm_> petn-randall:no effect. The wifi is enabled
as I can see the networks
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1938 [14:18:05] <petn-randall> vm_: if you run 'rfkill
list', what output do you get?
1939 [14:18:30] <vm_> no such command
1940 [14:19:07] <petn-randall> vm_: Install it then.
1941 [14:19:41] <vm_> it says soft blocked and hardblocked no
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1943 [14:19:47] <tw> How do I install extensions in chromium? I
get an error that says "Installation is not enabled." (
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1947 [14:22:11] <vm_> petn-randall: Any network I choose from the
list, I do not get the pop up asking for the key/password
1948 [14:22:18] <jelly> tw: that ought to work, did you look at
open bugs for chromium?
1949 [14:22:57] <jelly> tw:
replaced-url
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1952 [14:23:52] <tw> jelly: already reported, thanks for showing
me the way.
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1954 [14:24:45] <petn-randall> vm_: Did you reboot since
installing the firmware?
1955 [14:24:53] <vm_> petn-randall: yes. Twice
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1958 [14:25:14] <vm_> petn-randall: I am able to se the module
loaded in lsmod
1959 [14:25:31] <petn-randall> vm_: Can you check the logs in
/var/log/kern.log if you see any errors there regarding wifi?
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1961 [14:25:47] <petn-randall> vm_: Also /var/log/daemon.log will
give you hints for why network-manager failed.
1962 [14:26:33] <vm_> petn-randall:
replaced-url
1963 [14:27:14] <sobczyk> themill: when is it planned? the wesite
mentions just Full freeze on 2017-02-05
1964 [14:27:18] <vm_> petn-randall: kern.log : iwl3945
0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
1965 [14:27:29] <sobczyk> so 3 days ago
1966 [14:27:48] <vm_> petn-randall: daemon.log
wpa_supplicant[724]: wlan0: Failed to initialize driver interface
1967 [14:28:24] <vm_> petn-randall: Shall I pastebin the full logs
for both?
1968 [14:28:31] <themill> sobczyk: when is what planned?
1969 [14:28:42] <sobczyk> themill: stretch release
1970 [14:28:48] <themill> !wir
1971 [14:28:48] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, wir is
When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>.
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1974 [14:30:20] <sobczyk> so no dates? no bugs to fix before
release?
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1976 [14:30:48] <themill> plenty of bugs to fix; it gets released
when they are fixed
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1981 [14:32:08] <sobczyk> it'd be nice if
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1982 [14:32:14] <jelly> !rc bugs
1983 [14:32:15] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
replaced-url
1984 [14:32:47] <jelly> hunt somewhere around there for bugs
relevant for the next release
1985 [14:32:59] <sobczyk> thanks
1986 [14:33:16] <themill> make it so!
1987 [14:33:18] <jelly> as for the wiki, if you can manage to
register / log in, maybe you can fix the page
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1989 [14:33:59] <themill>
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1992 [14:34:34] <vm_> petn-randall: Any other hints or ideas?
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1994 [14:35:29] <throwthecheese> Does anyone of you know why does
Blender do this under Nouveau drivers?
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1997 [14:37:42] <TomTomTosch> do what? that just looks like an
unfinished render.
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2002 [14:38:56] <TomTomTosch> you hit f12 and that's where it
stops?
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2006 [14:39:35] <throwthecheese> NOPE, the internal engine is that
lazy under Nouveau
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2008 [14:40:07] <throwthecheese> I've had this problem under
openSUSE and Ubuntu, too
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2010 [14:41:07] <jelly> throwthecheese: jessie kernel and xorg and
dri an mesa?
2011 [14:41:19] <jelly> or something older or newer?
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2035 [14:50:28] <throwthecheese> Jessie/3.2.0-4/1:7.7+7/Nouveau
1:1.0.11-1/10.3.2-1
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2039 [14:51:20] <jelly> wait what, 3.2 kernel?
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2041 [14:51:33] <jelly> that's from debian 7
2042 [14:51:35] <AndreasLutro> can someone explain to me why
mysql-common won't upgrade here?
replaced-url
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2044 [14:51:56] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
2045 [14:51:57] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie:
10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 12.0.4-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
13.0.3-1; sid: 13.0.4-1; experimental: 17.0.0~rc3-1
2046 [14:52:03] <petn-randall> !bat
2047 [14:52:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2048 [14:52:19] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: Could you provide the
info above? ^^^
2049 [14:52:44] <AndreasLutro> sure, though I thought I already
narrowed the problem down to this version policy being incorrect
2050 [14:52:45] <jelly> throwthecheese: go with nvidia drivers if
you need opengl that actually works, or try stretch, I guess
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2052 [14:53:09] <throwthecheese> I actually have 3.16
2053 [14:53:11] <jelly> it's probably not worth filing bugs
for jessie's stack
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2055 [14:53:16] <AndreasLutro> full info:
replaced-url
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2060 [14:53:36] <jelly> (expect for noting something is broken)
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2064 [14:55:25] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: What does
'apt-cache policy libmysqlclient18' say?
2065 [14:55:39] <themill> AndreasLutro: your pinning looks pretty
odd; dpkg's point 3 and your pinning config would be good to
see
2066 [14:55:53] <throwthecheese> The blob breaks Blender and makes
the resolution trashy
2067 [14:55:56] <AndreasLutro> ah sorry I missed that
2068 [14:56:04] <AndreasLutro> petn-randall: it says Candidate:
5.5.54-0+deb8u1 so that's correct
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2070 [14:56:14] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: 'aptitude search
~ahold'?
2071 [14:56:20] <jelly> throwthecheese: hah, did not expect that
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2073 [14:57:24] <throwthecheese> The blob have served me well
until last year when electricity workers caused a blackout
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2075 [14:57:40] <petn-randall> ,v libmysqlclient18
2076 [14:57:42] <judd> Package: libmysqlclient18 on amd64 --
wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.53-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security:
5.5.54-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1;
jessie-security: 5.5.54-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1
2077 [14:57:45] <throwthecheese> After that my computer started to
hate the blob
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2080 [14:58:39] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: Yeah, the full output
of 'apt-cache policy libmysqlclient18' might be important.
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2082 [14:59:16] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: I'm guessing
libmysqlclient18 is either pinned or held.
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2087 [15:00:30] <AndreasLutro> mysql-common does show up under
"Pinned packages" in apt-cache policy
2088 [15:00:31] <AndreasLutro> let me grab the full output
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2091 [15:01:50] <AndreasLutro>
replaced-url
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2093 [15:02:09] <AndreasLutro> apt-mark showhold doesn't show
anything so I don't think that's it
2094 [15:02:30] <themill> that pinning is insane
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2096 [15:03:06] <themill> and also not consistent with your
previous paste :(
2097 [15:03:11] <AndreasLutro> quite, I don't know where
it's coming from to be honest, though we do have a pretty
extensive apt preferences
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2099 [15:03:21] <AndreasLutro> how is it not consistent?
2100 [15:03:23] <throwthecheese> How can I fix that issue with
Blender? I'm asking this because I'm on Sheep-It
2101 [15:03:30] <themill> any apt-preferences is too much
apt-preferences.
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2113 [15:08:41] <Somelauw> Is .bash_profile always read on
startup?
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2115 [15:10:04] <Plushwolf> only when the user who owns this file
in his/her directory logs in
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2117 [15:10:28] <Plushwolf> If you make any changes in it you have
to logout and login again
2118 [15:10:53] <Somelauw> Even if my shell is set to zsh?
2119 [15:11:16] <Plushwolf> zsh has its own config files iirc
2120 [15:11:41] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: You for some reason
pinned a ton of packages on your server. There's seldomly a
reason to do so. I'd remove them and upgrade cleanly.
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2124 [15:11:58] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: You might want to
check with any other admin of the machine if there was a special
reason to do so.
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2128 [15:12:51] <AndreasLutro> I am the admin :) anyway I found
the culprit. this was meant to give mysql packages from mysql's
repos higher priority but ended up just pinning every mysql package
replaced-url
2129 [15:13:20] <AndreasLutro> will reevaluate if we want to use
this type of pinning at all I guess
2130 [15:13:31] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: Yeah, I'd
recommend not using the upstream packages.
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2133 [15:13:49] <themill> also reevaluate 3rd party repos; there
are some pretty poor quality packages in the ones you are using
2134 [15:13:56] <MrNewbie> how can i update apache2 and openssl
offically on debian jessie to support SSLOpenSSLConfCmd
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2138 [15:14:22] <AndreasLutro> yeah I know. but if mysql5.6 is a
requirement we don't have any options until debian 9 is out
2139 [15:14:30] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: I don't think
you're showing us the data from one server, though. Your paste
from your pinning doesn't match up with your 'apt-cache
policy'.
2140 [15:14:33] <Somelauw> Plushwolf: so does setting zsh as
default shell automatically use the zsh config files instead?
2141 [15:14:46] <MrNewbie> .
2142 [15:15:29] <AndreasLutro> petn-randall: what exactly
doesn't line up?
2143 [15:15:34] <AndreasLutro> s/line/match/
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2148 [15:17:21] <MrNewbie> .
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2151 [15:18:09] <petn-randall> AndreasLutro: You pinned the mysql
repo to 700, but it doesn't show up as 700 in 'apt-cache
policy'. Might be a typo somewhere though that your preferences
don't get parsed properly.
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2153 [15:18:44] <AndreasLutro> I think that's because I
haven't actually added "repo.mysql.com" as a source
on this server
2154 [15:19:10] <MrNewbie_> for some reason i wasnt able to read
any msgs, anyways i am going to ask the question again.
2155 [15:19:17] <AndreasLutro> the 700 shows up on the package
versions of mysql-common instead, which was unexpected:
"5.5.54-0+deb8u1 700" for example
2156 [15:19:58] <MrNewbie_> how can i update apache2 and openssl
to support "SSLOpenSSLConfCmd" is there a repo on debian
that i can add only to update those packages with out updating
anything else ?
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2158 [15:21:29] <abrotman> MrNewbie_: start with which version of
the package you're currently using, and hwich supports that
option
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2163 [15:23:13] <MrNewbie_> abrotman: i am currently on debian
jessie using Apache2/2.4.10 and Openssl 1.0.1t
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2165 [15:24:10] <MrNewbie_> basid on what i read openssl should be
version 1.0.2 and apache should be compiled with openssl 1.0.2
aswell
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2167 [15:24:37] <abrotman> I'm not sure if there are any
backports for openssl for jessie
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2169 [15:25:00] <abrotman> judd: versions openssl
2170 [15:25:01] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie:
1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports:
1.0.2k-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0c-2; sid: 1.1.0d-2
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2172 [15:25:10] <abrotman> oh, maybe in jessie-backports
2173 [15:25:15] <abrotman> I didn't think they'd created
one
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2176 [15:26:51] <MrNewbie_> abrotman: if i used jessie-backports
and did apt-get update/upgrade it will update all other packages
aswell correct ?
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2179 [15:27:48] <petn-randall> MrNewbie_: No, jessie-backports is
by default pinned low enough.
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2184 [15:28:31] <MrNewbie_> thanks just read this
replaced-url
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2188 [15:31:17] <doubledutch> MrNewbie_: ++
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2211 [15:37:40] <MrNewbie_> i guess this wont help since apache
wasnt compile with openssl 1.0.2 and i didnt find any new updates
for apache
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2225 [15:45:35] <Hanonim> generally speaking, is it a good idea to
have "apt update && apt upgrade" as a cron job on
servers ? what would you say is the risk of something bad happening
(breakage etc...) ?
2226 [15:46:04] <greycat> !jessie samba
2227 [15:46:04] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
2228 [15:46:06] <greycat> Things like that.
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2231 [15:46:34] <petn-randall> Hanonim: There are better
approaches for this. Look into the package
"unattended-upgrades" for example.
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2240 [15:51:02] <flok420> when you get an error like "nagios3
: Depends: nagios3-core (= 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1) but it is not going to
be installed" what is then usually the solution?
2241 [15:51:22] <petn-randall> flok420: Fixing your sources.list.
2242 [15:51:25] <petn-randall> !bat
2243 [15:51:25] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2244 [15:51:28] <doubledutch> Have you tried: sudo apt-get update
&& sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing
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2246 [15:51:39] <petn-randall> flok420: Could you provide the
above info? ^^^
2247 [15:51:49] <greycat> ,v nagios3-core
2248 [15:51:50] <judd> Package: nagios3-core on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.4.1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-backports:
3.4.1-5~bpo7+2; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1
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2252 [15:52:26] <flok420> petn-randall: hold on
2253 [15:52:37] <Hanonim> petn-randall: thanks ! basically i want
to have automated updates but i'm wondering if it might,
someday, break running apps. i plan to deploy those apps on many
machines, so it has to be foolproof
2254 [15:52:50] <Plushwolf> Somelauw: Sorry, I accidently was
away. Can you repeat your question please?
2255 [15:53:26] <petn-randall> Hanonim: IMHO the risk of failure
due to unapplied security patches is higher than breakage from the
updates themselves. But unattended-upgrades has options to exclude
certain packages if you need to.
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2258 [15:54:13] <petn-randall> Hanonim: Also check out the package
'needrestart'.
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2260 [15:55:51] <flok420> petn-randall:
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2261 [15:56:09] <Hanonim> petn-randall: what about to OS itself ?
is it mad to dist-upgrade automatically ?
2262 [15:56:12] <Hanonim> *the
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2264 [15:56:54] <greycat> You shouldn't be using dist-upgrade
on a server anyway.
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2266 [15:57:18] <babilen> Why not?
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2268 [15:57:23] <petn-randall> Hanonim: What do you mean with
"OS itself"? Everything that Debian is made of is shipped
via packages, if that's what you mean.
2269 [15:57:34] <greycat> Because that implies that you are
running testing or unstable on a server.
2270 [15:57:38] <greycat> Which would be ludicrous.
2271 [15:57:39] <babilen> dist-upgrade is necessary sometimes
2272 [15:57:48] <petn-randall> Maybe you shouldn't need to
dist-upgrade? And if you do, it might be a sign of configuration
mistake?
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2275 [15:58:34] <Hanonim> well i'm thinking about the futur,
what will over a long period of time
2276 [15:58:56] <babilen> Upgrades are perfectly normal .. I
wouldn't be happy with automatic package removals so definitely
wouldn't make it part of scripts that run unattended
2277 [15:59:17] <petn-randall> Hanonim: Upgrading to the next
release should be done manually, though. If you do that
automatically, that might break your system at unexpected times.
2278 [15:59:41] <babilen> yeah, don't use "stable"
in your sources.list, but a specific release
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2281 [16:01:47] <Hanonim> petn-randall: so basically, never
remotely ?
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2283 [16:02:22] <greycat> Remote vs local is a different issue
from manual/automatic.
2284 [16:02:36] <petn-randall> Hanonim: You _can_ do it remotely.
But you should do it automatically via cron job.
2285 [16:02:46] <petn-randall> *should not
2286 [16:02:56] <petn-randall> Gah, why do I always leave out
negations in sentences?!
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2289 [16:03:33] <babilen> .oO( But you asked me to! )
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2291 [16:04:07] <Hanonim> yes i understand, but if there is an
important system breakage, i might not be able to join the machine
again (via ssh)
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2293 [16:04:31] <babilen> Don't you have OOB access?
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2297 [16:05:05] <greycat> Ensuring access is one of the STRONG
reasons why you do these things manually instead of automatically.
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2300 [16:05:22] <greycat> Your ssh session that you use to do the
actual upgrade remains running even if sshd dies.
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2304 [16:06:54] <jelly> ubuntu's release upgrade scripts do
an interesting thing, start screen, bring up a standalone sshd on
different port and ask you to ensure you can log in via that
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2307 [16:07:52] <Hanonim> anyway i guess i could manually upgrade
once or twice and then automate for the rest of the machines if it
works properly (given the setup is the same)
2308 [16:07:58] <jelly> which is exactly what I do manually if I
have no console access and a silly customer wants a release upgrade
2309 [16:07:59] <babilen> I wouldn't really feel well doing
that without some OOB access mechanism
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2315 [16:09:13] <babilen> Hanonim: Please note that we are
discussing security updates and release updates at the same time.
IMHO its perfectly fine to run unattended upgrades for security
updates, but I wouldn't perform unattended upgrades to the next
release (unless properly automated and tested)
2316 [16:09:33] <Hanonim> babilen: what do you mean by OOB ? it
looks like i'm a nOOB on this topic...
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2321 [16:10:13] <babilen> Hanonim: Some form to access the box
out-of-band. So that you can, essentially, log in or chroot into it
even if SSH is down (say) or the box has crashed or ...
2322 [16:10:23] <babilen> Is this bare metal or VM?
2323 [16:10:45] <Hanonim> bare metal
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2328 [16:11:15] <babilen> Brand? Does it have something like drac
(dell), ilo (hp), ... ?
2329 [16:11:50] <Hanonim> i'm afraid i don't know yet,
for now i must admit i'm a bit in the abstract
2330 [16:12:12] <babilen> Okay, so you don't have that
hardware yet?
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2332 [16:13:25] <Hanonim> no, for now i'm researching good
practises in general
2333 [16:13:41] <Scott0_> what would be the best way to restart or
start a service if its found that its stopped? id like something to
periodically check
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2335 [16:14:07] <babilen>
replaced-url
2336 [16:14:12] <greycat> Scott0_: set it up properly under
systemd (or your init system or your add-on service manager) so that
it is automatically restarted.
2337 [16:14:18] <hicks__> I think systemd has a config option you
can use to monitor and auto restart processes
2338 [16:14:31] <Scott0_> greycat: oh there's a setting for
that?
2339 [16:14:37] <greycat> Yes.
2340 [16:14:55] <Hanonim> i'm not a linux noob, but i'm
not a super guru neither and am looking for level upping my security
skills
2341 [16:14:58] <babilen> Hanonim: So if you were to get Dell
boxes you'd have
replaced-url
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2343 [16:15:06] <greycat> "Restart=always" under
[service]
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2345 [16:15:11] <Scott0_> thanks
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2349 [16:16:19] <Artox> petn-randall, Here I am, debian-mentors is
invite-only
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2351 [16:16:40] <babilen> Hanonim: Are you planning to buy bare
metal yourself and have it colocated in a datacentre of your choice
or are you planning to "rent" an existant bare metal
2352 [16:16:42] <Artox> but I could also go with the suggestion on
mentors.debian.net that says ¨File a RFS bug against the
sponsorship-requests pseudo-package¨
2353 [16:16:53] <Hanonim> babilen: fundamentally, is it that
different from ssh ?
2354 [16:16:57] <BluesKaj> just install 8.7.1 with KDE on my
laptop, NM doesn't seem to store the wifi access password
between bootups..is this a bug ?
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2357 [16:17:25] <babilen> Hanonim: No, not really.. as I said: It
is essentially a second computer in your computer that would still
be accessible if you fucked up the other
2358 [16:18:08] <babilen> You need that if it isn't an option
for you to "walk over" to your server and plug in a
screen/keyboard/...
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2363 [16:20:00] <Hanonim> babilen: makes sense...
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2365 [16:21:10] <lost_soul> Are any of you running debian on a
qnap-ts412 nas? I've read the documentation and am considering
an install but I would like to get some input from someone who has
already done this
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2369 [16:22:58] <Hanonim> babilen: thanks for your time :)
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2373 [16:26:50] <petn-randall> Artox: It's on OFTC, where we
talked. I'm a bit confused why you would switch to freenode
just to tell me it doesn't work on here ... :)
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2375 [16:27:24] <Somelauw> Plushwolf: so does setting zsh as
default shell automatically use the zsh config files instead?
2376 [16:27:42] <greycat> Only when you actually launch a zsh
shell.
2377 [16:27:58] <Somelauw> So i'm still not sure whether
putting my nix config in .xprofile .bash_profile or .zprofile
2378 [16:28:22] <Plushwolf> iirc zsh uses its own config files,
but I'm not sure which one
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2380 [16:28:27] <Somelauw> I'm thinking of putting something
like 'echo "Entered .xprofile at ${date}" in each of
these files
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2382 [16:28:43] <greycat> Somelauw: Depends on how you log in.
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2385 [16:29:18] <DoberMann> doing echo stuff in these should break
some logins, (scp)
2386 [16:29:45] <greycat> Also depends on what you mean by
"nix config".
2387 [16:30:09] <greycat> If you only ever login by ssh and you
just want to set shell stuff, then just use the shell's regular
dot files.
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2389 [16:30:42] <greycat> If you login through a GUI and just want
to set environment variables, use ~/.xsessionrc which is
Debian-specific for all display manager logins.
2390 [16:30:57] <petn-randall> Somelauw: Shells can either be
interactive or non-interactive, and login or non-login shells. So
you end up with four different possible combinations. Depending on
what you want to do, each one of those has config files that get
parsed on the start of such shell.
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2396 [16:31:56] <Somelauw> greycat: i can't think of the
name, but it's one of these lightweight login managers
2397 [16:32:23] <Somelauw> the one that comes by defaults with
lxde
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2399 [16:32:44] <greycat> So use ~/.xsessionrc to set environment
variables that you want GUI programs to inherit
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2401 [16:33:11] <greycat> That file is read by /bin/sh not by your
login shell.
2402 [16:33:11] <Somelauw> problem with .xsessionrc is that it
doesn't understand shell syntax
2403 [16:33:23] <greycat> It doesn't understand ZSH syntax
because it does not use your login shell.
2404 [16:33:27] <Somelauw> sh should be fine
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2406 [16:33:47] <Somelauw> anything greater than or equal to dash
probably
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2408 [16:34:13] <Somelauw> but it didn't understand
hello/**/something last time i tried, but maybe that's not sh
syntax
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2410 [16:35:06] <greycat> That's correct. That is not valid
sh syntax. WHAT PART OF THIS IS USED IN SETTING *ENVIRONMENT
VARIABLES*?
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2412 [16:35:23] <greycat> Do not do ANYTHING in .xsessionrc EXCEPT
setting ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES>
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2414 [16:35:25] <greycat> export foo=bar
2415 [16:35:29] <greycat> that's all. nothing else.
2416 [16:35:52] <greycat> If you want to set up complex functions
and macros and shit for your shell, that goes in the shell's
dot files.
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2418 [16:36:13] <greycat> .xsessionrc is for exporting PATH and
other crap like that into your GUI applications
2419 [16:36:48] <Somelauw> okay, so then tell me where i should
put this line of code ".
~/.nix-profile/etc/profile.d/nix.sh"
2420 [16:36:57] <greycat> What the fuck does it DO?
2421 [16:37:09] <Somelauw> mainly exports and somme if statements
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2423 [16:37:16] <greycat> When you wrote "nix" was that
the name of some specific application, or did you mean "unix in
general"?
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2425 [16:37:18] <Somelauw> and echo
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2431 [16:37:34] <greycat> Why is it echoing ANYTHING?
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2436 [16:38:06] <Somelauw> it uses echo to write to .nix-channels
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2438 [16:38:13] <greycat> So "nix" is an application?
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2440 [16:38:24] <lost_soul> I would put it in .profile... at least
that's where I have a similar line to read in my aliases
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2442 [16:39:01] <Somelauw> yes, it is something like chroot, but
completely different
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2444 [16:39:45] <greycat> Is it launched from a GUI program like
your window manager, or is it something that you only ever run from
a shell? Is this config shit *laborious* so that you really only
want to do it once at login, or is it something that's
"safe" to do in every window you open?
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2447 [16:40:34] <greycat> And why in the name of all that's
unholy did you use non-portable shell syntax in this config file?
2448 [16:40:46] <lost_soul> LOL
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2450 [16:41:38] <Somelauw> it's a deamon, that needs to add
stuff to path, these can be shell or gui applications
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2452 [16:42:01] <draget_> Can I create a simple virtual package
where I just list packages? And then install my virtual package and
also get rid of all the other packages uninstalling just this
virtual package?
2453 [16:42:22] <greycat> So you actually mean "there are two
things this file does: launch a daemon, and then export env vars to
point to it, very much like ssh-agent"?
2454 [16:42:35] <Somelauw> but the deamon is launched by systemd,
ignore that part. it only need to set environment variables and
update PATH
2455 [16:43:02] <greycat> So this config file SEARCHES for a
running daemon using god only knows what kind of heuristics, and
then exports env vars for apps to find it?
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2457 [16:43:35] <Scott0_> greycat: will always mean that when I
stop it manually, it will try to start again?
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2459 [16:43:52] <greycat> Scott0_: if you use "systemctl
stop" it should stay stopped.
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2462 [16:44:33] <MrNewbie_> is there a way to downgrade a package
2463 [16:45:11] <MrNewbie_> i just updated openssl "apt-get
-t jessie-backports install openssl" and nothing else, now i
want to revert back
2464 [16:45:42] <Scott0_> is service [servicename] start a
convenience script for using systemctl?
2465 [16:46:06] <Somelauw> greycat: i guess so
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2470 [16:47:06] <greycat> Somelauw: Well, now it's really
complicated. You might consider rewriting it to use portable sh
syntax and then dotting it in from ~/.xsessionrc and see if that
does the job. But without actually *seeing* and *understanding* what
this script does, it's impossible to be sure.
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2473 [16:49:25] <towo`> draget_, you shoult read about equivs
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2475 [16:50:38] <draget_> I do not want to build packages myself.
I just want to have clean dependencies marked as autoinstalled and
not manually installed.
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2478 [16:51:08] <Somelauw> greycat: I think export/if/echo are all
portable, so i can just try?
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2482 [16:51:31] <draget_> Something like Package A B C >
/var/local/apt/virtual/foobar.conf ; apt install foobar
2483 [16:51:57] <greycat> Those three commands are mostly portable
(echo is dodgy), but it depends on much more than that. You
mentioned the use of a ** (recursive) glob earlier. Those are not
portable.
2484 [16:52:08] <Zewwy> I feel like I'm super stupid today...
how do you specify where to extract a tar file?
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2486 [16:52:20] <greycat> Zewwy: cd first, or use tar -C dir
2487 [16:52:29] <Zewwy> THanks -C
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2489 [16:53:02] <petn-randall> !goal
2490 [16:53:02] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
2491 [16:53:04] <petn-randall> draget_: ^^^
2492 [16:53:14] <towo`> draget_> Can I create a simple virtual
package and draget_> I do not want to build packages myself. does
not fit, i'm out
2493 [16:54:27] <Somelauw> this looks portable so far
replaced-url
2494 [16:55:11] <greycat> All that stuff that writes to stderr is
:( :(
2495 [16:55:26] <draget_> I want to manage dependencies via APT of
programm installed not via APT. I want to avoid installing them
explicitly, because I would have to purge them explicitly when
uninstalling the main programm. I'd like to simplify the
process to installing/purging a single
'dependency-bundle-package'
2496 [16:55:32] <greycat> But hopefully if you *ONLY* dot this in
from .xsessionrc then it won't break your scp's and so on.
2497 [16:56:05] <Somelauw> hmm, it does >&2
2498 [16:56:30] <greycat> Right. That's the part that writes
human-readable messages to stderr.
2499 [16:56:41] <greycat> You might comment those out.
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2504 [16:56:51] <BluesKaj> I just installed 8.7.1 with KDE on my
laptop, NM doesn't seem to store the wifi access password
between bootups, any ideas?
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2506 [16:57:18] <draget_> On a different topic: apt reports on
unneded packages 'Use 'apt autoremove' to remove
them.' while 'apt autoremove' prints 'E: Invalid
operation autormove' (apt 1.2.19)
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2508 [16:58:32] <babilen> autormove is not the same as autoremove
(note the typo)
2509 [16:58:33] <Somelauw> the if will probably be false most of
the time, so i'm probably safe
2510 [17:00:08] <Somelauw> and even if xprofile fails, i can still
use tty
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2526 [17:07:01] <BluesKaj> ok , nevermind, fixed it myself
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2530 [17:08:37] <Somelauw> lost_soul: I've just noticed there
is already a line in .xprofile that does that, but that one was
apparenly ignored or maybe doesn't get read until zsh starts
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2538 [17:09:24] <lost_soul> Somelauw: I said .profile... not
.xprofile
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2540 [17:09:51] <greycat> .xprofile is not part of any of the
standard Debian X session stuff. I don't know where you got it
from or what reads it, if anything.
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2542 [17:10:11] <lost_soul> I think the .profile is read any time
a terminal is opened... possibly?
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2545 [17:11:11] <greycat> lost_soul: wrong.
2546 [17:11:28] <lost_soul> yay
2547 [17:11:38] <lost_soul> so the correct answer is?
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2549 [17:12:05] <lost_soul> when someone logs in and when
terminals are opened?
2550 [17:12:08] <greycat> The correct answer to what?
2551 [17:12:21] <greycat> Jesus christ, we're back to square
0.
2552 [17:12:22] <lost_soul> to when it's read?
2553 [17:12:26] <greycat> HOW DO YOU LOG IN
2554 [17:12:26] <lost_soul> LOL
2555 [17:12:42] <lost_soul> greycat: it wasn't me you were
helping
2556 [17:12:58] <Somelauw> lost_soul: I meant .profile
2557 [17:13:05] <lost_soul> it was ^^
2558 [17:13:09] <greycat> What files are read during login is
determined by HOW you login.
2559 [17:13:14] <Somelauw> i accidentally typed .xprofile
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2562 [17:13:22] <lost_soul> Somelauw: okay.. cuz you've
mentioned .xprofile many times
2563 [17:13:27] <lost_soul> so I just wasn't sure
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2571 [17:14:31] <rory> hi Iota
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2576 [17:17:30] <Somelauw> lost_soul: i'm trying .xsession
now, ignoring .xprofile and .profile
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2578 [17:18:01] <greycat> If you use .xsession WHICH IS A
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FILE FROM .xsessionrc THEN YOU HAVE TO EXEC
YOUR OWN WINDOW MANAGER
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2580 [17:18:29] <Somelauw> i mean .xsessionrc (sorry, those
similar names get really confusing)
2581 [17:18:35] <greycat> I swear you people just say stupid shit
on purpose to see me get angry.
2582 [17:18:52] <n4dir> not that it would be hard.
2583 [17:19:04] <lost_soul> hahaha
2584 [17:19:11] <doubledutch> ^___^
2585 [17:19:29] <Iota> Hey rory, whatcha upto?
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2588 [17:20:51] <Iridos> you do get angry so well…
it's a clear possibility :)
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2597 [17:24:36] <dontknow> my computer's screen freeze
sometimes (rarely). i can move mouse but the screen freezes. and for
example i can play and pouse a media player (i hear the sound) what
is the issue?
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2599 [17:25:14] <Iridos> try to log into the machine from outside
via ssh and look around…
2600 [17:25:30] <dontknow> :/
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2602 [17:26:23] <Iridos> and look at logs for the time in
/var/log/messages and dmesg
2603 [17:26:36] <lost_soul> does it happen only when you're
playing media... you only said rarely
2604 [17:26:57] <dontknow> lost_soul, i am not sure
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2608 [17:28:15] <lost_soul> dontknow: The problem is that the only
way people here can really help you is if you have enough
information to help them narrow the problem down. You should try
paying attention to when it happens and exactly what you're
doing at the time
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2611 [17:28:35] <lost_soul> Things that rarely happen are indeed
harder to diagnose but it can be done.. with time
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2613 [17:28:49] <dontknow> ok
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2617 [17:29:28] <lost_soul> The fact you said the screen freezes
but you can still pause, stop and hear voices or music to me means
it could be something as simple as trying another media player,
perhaps vlc
2618 [17:29:52] <lost_soul> mplayer is always a nice choice, too
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2620 [17:30:28] <dontknow> lost_soul, i can interact with any
software i believe
2621 [17:30:46] <lost_soul> dontknow: you should also refer to the
logs as instructed by Iridos
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2623 [17:31:31] <dontknow> also don't see ctrl+alt+F2 tty. i
only see freezed screen
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2627 [17:32:34] <n4dir> probably doesn't help you much,
dontknow, but i got a similar problem with my laptop since i bought
it, 5+ years ago. With all distros, without any obvious reason or
culprit. I simply gave up on the problem
2628 [17:33:03] <n4dir> somone told me something about intel, but
i forgot the details (didn't contain a solution for it anyway)
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2630 [17:33:24] <dontknow> n4dir, yeah i also use intel integrated
gpu
2631 [17:33:48] <n4dir> yup integrated. Also low specs in genearl
(a gig of Ram, CPU i forgot).
2632 [17:33:52] <dontknow> i changed its acceleration from uax to
sna. but it didn't help
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2634 [17:34:02] <lost_soul> The onboard intel graphics worked fine
on linux last time I tried it on my laptop.. 4000 series graphics
2635 [17:34:11] <n4dir> sometimes it doesn't happen for
weeks, suddenly a few times in a row
2636 [17:34:20] <dontknow> yes
2637 [17:34:39] <towo`> remove the intel ddx and try modesetting
2638 [17:34:40] <n4dir> lost_soul: pretty all my machines are
intel, and all of them work and worked fine. Its only the laptop
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2641 [17:34:59] <lost_soul> n4dir: weird
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2643 [17:35:14] <n4dir> yea, but after 5 years you are used to it
:-)=
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2645 [17:35:42] <lost_soul> still annoying as hell I bet
2646 [17:36:01] <n4dir> mainly when busy.
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2649 [17:36:31] <dontknow> next time i will try switching tty and
log-in without seeing it and restart. because i had to shutdown
computer with power button. an i scare ssd will break
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2651 [17:38:18] <dontknow> is there a something like
ctrl+alt+delete command in debian?
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2653 [17:38:39] <lost_soul> a command, yes... reboot
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2655 [17:38:44] <lost_soul> or shutdown -r now
2656 [17:38:48] <Iridos> dontknow, oh, is that gnome-shell on an
intel graphics chip?
2657 [17:38:50] <tomcres> Yes, ctrl-alt-del 😁
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2659 [17:39:07] <n4dir> dontknow: not sure if you missed the
comment by towo` in all that babble (mainly by me ...)
2660 [17:39:20] <dontknow> lost_soul, i mean shortcut with
keyboard
2661 [17:39:37] <dontknow> Iridos, no xfce
2662 [17:39:51] <Iridos> oh well
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2664 [17:40:33] <dontknow> n4dir, towo?
2665 [17:40:56] <jelly> !sysrq
2666 [17:40:57] <dpkg> i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For
a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s
for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See
replaced-url
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2668 [17:41:10] <jelly> dontknow: ^^ if you're interested in
a forced reboot
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2670 [17:41:37] <dontknow> jelly, yes that was what i asked thanks
2671 [17:41:55] <n4dir> ) towo`: remove the intel ddx and try
modesetting ; dontknow that is what he said
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2675 [17:42:50] <Iridos> funnily… when I googled that, I
found an ubuntu page which omitted the probably most useful option
(trigger oom_killer)
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2681 [17:43:55] <dontknow> next time i am going to do that without
seeing anything :S
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2686 [17:44:38] <jelly> Iridos: I never used that ever.
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2690 [17:45:14] <Iridos> well… and it actually also
didn't work
2691 [17:45:25] <jelly> in my world killing a random process is
more harmful than rebooting the whole machine
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2693 [17:45:32] <Iridos> … after which I didn't try
the reboot sequence, but just pressed da big button
2694 [17:45:47] <Iridos> nah… the random process would have
been firefox
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2697 [17:46:28] * jelly has a panel shortcut that pkills -9 firefox and
restarts it
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2705 [17:47:59] <tnlr> lel
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2708 [17:48:05] <dontknow> sometimes firefox's plugin
comtainer process uses high cpu (backport latest firefox)
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2715 [17:50:57] <dontknow> lost_soul, mplayer picture quality is
very low. i use mpv player
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2718 [17:51:26] <dontknow> it has great quality video output
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2723 [17:52:38] <Brigo> dontknow, you know mpv is based in
mplayer/mplayer2, right?
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2727 [17:52:52] <dontknow> yes
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2729 [17:53:50] <dontknow> mpv has opengl-hq output
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2751 [18:00:05] <jelly> ,v mplayer
2752 [18:00:06] <judd> Package: mplayer on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security:
2:1.0~rc4.dfsg1+svn34540-1+deb7u2; sid: 2:1.3.0-6; stretch:
2:1.3.0-6; wheezy-multimedia: 3:1.1.1-dmo4.wheezy1;
jessie-multimedia: 3:1.1.1+20150226+svn37375-dmo5+deb8u3;
sid-multimedia: 4:1.3.0~20161223.svn37905-dmo2
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2779 [18:11:46] <jelly> ,v fail2ban
2780 [18:11:47] <judd> Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- wheezy:
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stretch: 0.9.6-1; sid: 0.9.6-1
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2866 [18:45:04] <CeBe> hi, can someone explain to me what rpcbind
is for except in the case of nfs and why it is installed by default
on any debian system listening on port 111?
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2868 [18:46:51] <jelly> CeBe: not much, remove it
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2870 [18:47:36] <CeBe> sure, going to do that, but what most
interests me about this is, why is it installed by default?
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2872 [18:48:16] <jelly> CeBe: so you can mount a remote nfs share
like /home if your setup is like that
2873 [18:48:37] <jelly> CeBe: you can also purge nfs-common
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2875 [18:49:02] <CeBe> I see, thanks!
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2877 [18:49:55] <jelly> (that reason's just a guess, I
don't know why rpcbind is still present in a base installation)
2878 [18:50:11] <SynrG> CeBe: in general, the usual reason is
"things a user might reasonably expect to 'just work'
wouldn't work without it". not sure on the specifics :)
2879 [18:50:30] <jelly> mount.nfs is the only one I can think of
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2881 [18:51:55] <jelly> I've have to remove portmap on
minimal systems since... dunno, lenny?
2882 [18:51:57] <SynrG> yeah. hm.
2883 [18:51:59] <jelly> had*
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2885 [18:52:44] <jelly> I think fam/gamin was sunrpc based at some
point
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2887 [18:53:17] <SynrG> on my stretch system, mount Suggests
nfs-common (according to aptitude why) and no better reason for
rpcbind
2888 [18:53:31] <jelly> ,i rpcbind
2889 [18:53:32] <SynrG> has the dep softened since jessie?
2890 [18:53:37] <judd> Package rpcbind (net, standard) in
jessie/amd64: converts RPC program numbers into universal addresses.
Version: 0.2.1-6+deb8u1; Size: 40.6k; Installed: 99k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2891 [18:53:44] <SynrG> ahh, standard
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2893 [18:54:08] <SynrG> well, there ya go. optional in stretch.
2894 [18:54:22] <SynrG> CeBe: help is on its way! :)
2895 [18:54:36] <jelly> so they fixed it for now, until
there's s/rpcbind/portmap/ again
2896 [18:54:50] <CeBe> nice
2897 [18:55:02] <jelly> the default one seems to switch about
every decade or so
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2959 [19:22:54] <jdv79> how come i see this pkg:
replaced-url
2960 [19:23:27] <jdv79> oh, nm. i reverted my sources.list...
2961 [19:23:30] <jdv79> bleh
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2968 [19:25:56] <brennen> anybody in here happen to be running
stretch on a dell xps 13 9360?
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2974 [19:27:00] <feinho> hi. I have no more sound after upgrading
to debian 9 is thayt a commun bug and is there a fix for that
please?
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2977 [19:29:29] <dontknow> feinho, have you checked the mixer and
play with it?
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2981 [19:30:09] <feinho> not yet
2982 [19:30:13] <feinho> alsamixer
2983 [19:30:15] <feinho> ?
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2985 [19:30:27] <dontknow> sure
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2989 [19:32:28] <feinho> it doesnt work
2990 [19:32:38] <feinho> its on 100%
2991 [19:32:52] <dontknow> do you have pulseaudio installed?
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2993 [19:33:06] <feinho> no
2994 [19:33:11] <dontknow> install it
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2996 [19:33:15] <feinho> ok
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3036 [19:38:12] <feinho> thanks man
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3044 [19:39:31] <dontknow> it looks like we all have to install
pulseaudio in stretch :/
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3057 [19:43:45] <disi> how do i bypas this (it's running
non-interactively) -y doesnt seem to work:
replaced-url
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3087 [19:50:02] <n4dir>
replaced-url
3088 [19:50:14] <teraflops> dontknow: hmm I dont think so
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3094 [19:53:07] <disi> n4dir: ty ill try that
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3096 [19:53:33] <n4dir> yeah, try it. never used it, never heard
of it.
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3134 [20:09:48] <jhutchins>
replaced-url
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3137 [20:12:08] <somiaj> sounds dangerous, but I had to install
the package that double checks when I run sudo shutdown, as I
sometimes forget which machine I'm loged into...:/
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3139 [20:12:47] <somiaj> molly-guard is the package
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3141 [20:13:16] <atannus> I have an issue with stretch, but
debian-next is invite-only, can I ask here?
3142 [20:13:44] <atannus> I'm unable to record audio with a
SoundBlaster Live CA0106
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3144 [20:13:58] <somiaj> atannus: #debian-next is on OFTC not
freenode.
3145 [20:14:01] <atannus> Playback works fine, but I can't
record.
3146 [20:14:20] <somiaj> use alsa or pulse? Have you checked the
mic is unmuted?
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3148 [20:14:38] <atannus> somiaj: alsa
3149 [20:14:49] <somiaj> check alsamixer, make sure the mic is
unmuted
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3151 [20:15:53] <somiaj> if I recall there is also a mic boost
level you can turn up, sometimes that is down, but I don't do
much recording so I only vaugly know what to check
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3155 [20:17:15] <atannus> somiaj: well, by recording I mean
capturing in general... alsamixer doesn't show a mic channel,
only "CAPTURE"...
3156 [20:18:39] <somiaj> hmm, yea been a while. On my very old
sblive there is a mic and a line-in, two different things
3157 [20:18:44] <somiaj> if there is just one capture, unsure.
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3164 [20:20:45] <atannus> somiaj: my mistake, I was looking at the
output channels, input has MIC, and it was not muted...
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3166 [20:21:02] <somiaj> and the mic boost is turned on/up
3167 [20:21:21] <somiaj> maybe the software isn't using the
correct input device
3168 [20:21:43] <atannus> It shows Pulse and Alsa.
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3172 [20:21:54] <atannus> somiaj: ^
3173 [20:22:17] <somiaj> and if you set it to Alsa, can you pick
the device?
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3177 [20:22:37] <atannus> somiaj: yes... CA0106
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3181 [20:23:11] <somiaj> I don't know if I can be of much
more help, I'd start looking around the internet for advise
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3187 [20:23:38] <atannus> somiaj: already exhausted everything...
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3190 [20:24:13] <atannus> somiaj: I'm beginning to suspect
hardware, but it's unlikely only capture will be shot.
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3192 [20:25:24] <somiaj> are you using a mic?
3193 [20:25:38] <atannus> somiaj: yes...
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3195 [20:26:04] <atannus> somiaj: mic works on the onboard sound
card but not on soundblaster.
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3198 [20:27:27] <somiaj> go check the alsa model for that card, it
could be there are various models, and the model being detected
doens't congirure the mic input correctly
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3202 [20:28:08] <somiaj> I know with the intel sound cards and
having all sorts of different configuration of ports this is
sometimes needed to get the ports to be configured correctly
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3214 [20:31:13] <atannus> somiaj: even weirder... I can monitor
the mic so it IS capturing.
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3219 [20:32:43] <atannus> Also, when I run "arecord |
aplay" I don't get any output.
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3228 [20:35:42] <fearnothing> hi
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3230 [20:35:48] <fearnothing> having trouble mounting an nfs share
3231 [20:36:06] <fearnothing> it's mounted on other boxes
fine, but that was ages ago
3232 [20:36:08] <fearnothing> trying on a new one
3233 [20:36:21] <fearnothing> it just hangs, no error message,
until I ctrl-c
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3237 [20:36:28] <atannus> somiaj: could this be a conflict? I see
3 sound devices installed, one of them is an NVidia, which I think
is the HDMI audio from my video card. They are both IRQ 17
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3240 [20:36:40] <fearnothing> I can see a few packets hitting the
port, but not a lot
3241 [20:36:45] <fearnothing> any ideas what might be happening?
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3257 [20:40:40] <disi> debian taking notes from windows now? :p
3258 [20:40:42] <disi> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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3267 [20:42:26] <somiaj> atannus: unsure
3268 [20:42:50] <somiaj> disi: why are you trying to use a ubuntu
source on debian, that won't be supported by us
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3271 [20:43:08] <greycat> plus it's *docker* (shudder)
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3279 [20:47:07] <ecdhe> I was considering packaging some software
for debian and publishing it. However, when the software updates, I
would want to re-package it, test it, and publish the newer version
as well.
3280 [20:47:25] <ecdhe> Are there any examples of maintainers
doing this with continuous integration software like jenkins?
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3283 [20:49:00] <missmbob> ecdhe: there is #jenkins
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3285 [20:49:12] <somiaj> ecdhe: debian is a frozen system, so if
you are trying to get the packages into Debian, that is not how
debian works.
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3287 [20:49:48] <somiaj> ecdhe: updates can be provided via
backports, but when making a package, you would have to support a
frozen version, and then provide newer versions for those who want
it.
3288 [20:49:58] <somiaj> ecdhe: or are you wanting to just provide
your own third party packages?
3289 [20:50:12] <ecdhe> somiaj, third party packages
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3291 [20:50:58] <somiaj> ecdhe: in this case you can do what you
want, but I would suggest you read the debian new matainer's
guide and debian policy to try to keep your packages as high of
quality as possible, otherwise your repo will get a bad repetation
(such as dotdeb)
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3294 [20:51:20] <ecdhe> Contributing to debian proper would be
amazing, but I'm not sure if I've got what it takes.
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3297 [20:51:49] <somiaj> ecdhe: If you make good packages, all it
really takes is a desire to get the software in Debian and a
sponsor. The first step is making a good quality package
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3308 [20:56:27] <ecdhe> soniaj, finding a sponsor means meeting in
person and getting your key signed, right?
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3310 [20:57:03] <somiaj> ecdhe: nope, it means filing a RFS bug
and waiting for a debian matainer to have enough interest to review
your package.
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3313 [20:57:15] <somiaj> ecdhe: I have only ever talked to my
sponsor a few times over email.
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3318 [20:57:56] <somiaj> ecdhe: the developer needs to get a key,
you won't be allowed to upload packages into debian, but you
will be repsonaible for the package, and the sponor is just a
gateway to ensure your package is high enough quality and will
sign/upload it for you.
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3331 [21:02:20] <somiaj> ecdhe: but before you get to that stage,
you should have a good quality package, which is why I suggested
trying to build packages for your software that meet debian policy
and quality guidelines.
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3336 [21:03:44] <ecdhe> Sounds good! I have built packages (for
myself) before and followed as many guidelines as were prudent in my
use case. My goal would be to automate as much as possible so that
new releases would be easy to build and test.
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3338 [21:04:10] <somiaj> !uupdate
3339 [21:04:10] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
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3342 [21:04:45] <somiaj> ecdhe: anyways there are tools to help
things out, but there will usually need to be some manual checking
of things. Lintian is a good tool for that.
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3344 [21:05:17] <brennen> ecdhe: as far as building packages from
CI, i suspect a lot of people are doing that kind of thing using
various ad hoc pipelines
3345 [21:05:23] <somiaj> ecdhe: on irc.oftc.net there is
#packaging to ask about general packaging questions and
#debian-mentors when trying to get a package into debian.
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3349 [21:05:49] <brennen> i don't have anything great to
point you at, but i have a general sense that it exists.
3350 [21:06:16] <somiaj> there might even be a debian-helper
script for it, there are for lost of things like perl or python or
ruby packages, etc
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3368 [21:10:48] <fhggff> Can someone help me install pip on kali
linux? sudo apt-get install python-pip returns "Unable to
locate package python-pip"
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3370 [21:11:00] <fhggff> I have updated and upgraded apt
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3372 [21:11:02] <missmbob> !kali
3373 [21:11:02] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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3428 [21:38:03] <Release_> greetz i was curious how to change
system time settings
3429 [21:38:10] <Release_> at the moment i have it set to :
America/New_York
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3432 [21:38:29] <missmbob> !timezone
3433 [21:38:29] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local
time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian
systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively:
"cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that
tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute
"service postfix restart" to update localtime in the
chroot.
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3436 [21:38:45] <Release_> i would like to change to europe
amsterdam time
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3438 [21:39:07] <greycat> Use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, as the bot
said.
3439 [21:39:11] <Release_> ok
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3530 [22:19:24] <Ormu> looks like Nemo file manager
"hijacks" the desktop when using a DE/WM other than
Cinnamon (iceWM in this case)
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3532 [22:19:59] <Ormu> background changes, and iceWM logout
doesn't always succeed if Nemo is running on background
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3541 [22:23:54] <krishna> Can't start deluge daemon with
systemd
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3543 [22:24:36] <greycat> What version of Debian? What did you
try? What was the result? What did you expect instead?
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3546 [22:25:31] <krishna> Jessie, Raspbian, Installed deluged and
deluge-web, created deluged.service
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3548 [22:25:39] <missmbob> !raspbian
3549 [22:25:39] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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3550 [22:26:06] <missmbob> btw there is a #deluge that may be more
helpful
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3552 [22:27:04] <greycat> If "installed deluge and
deluge-web" means you built things from upstream source instead
of installing packages, then chances are you just didn't create
the systemd unit correctly (or you forgot to run systemctl
daemon-reload, or something).
3553 [22:27:21] <krishna>
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3555 [22:27:40] <lafleurdubien> Is there any way to install
packages on a Live USB image and have them persist after reboot?
3556 [22:28:02] * zykotick9 notes on debian stable, he manually runs
deluged <- doesn't need to be done often ;)
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3558 [22:28:13] * teraflops does not click pastebin.com links
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3561 [22:28:41] <greycat> It appears to be a systemd unit file
with NO meta information such as what its filename is, or what
commands he ran, or errors, or anything.
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3564 [22:29:33] <krishna> I don't see any error in
/var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages
3565 [22:29:43] <krishna> filename is deluged.service
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3567 [22:29:57] <greycat> PATH NAME
3568 [22:29:57] <krishna> sudo systemctl start deluged
3569 [22:30:03] <greycat> Where IS it?
3570 [22:30:21] <krishna> /etc/systemd/system/deluged.service
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3574 [22:30:33] <greycat> OK, that's the correct location.
And "systemctl status deluged" says what?
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3576 [22:31:01] <krishna> says nothing, that's the problem. I
don't know what is going wrong
3577 [22:31:39] <krishna> I try to start the deluge daemon as
debian-deluged user and it works perfectly with the command line
arguments
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3579 [22:31:59] <greycat> Did you forget to run daemon-reload?
3580 [22:32:19] <greycat> 16:27 greycat> ... (or you forgot to
run systemctl daemon-reload, or something).
3581 [22:32:34] <krishna> No, it asked me to do daemon-reload, did
it, still not running
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3583 [22:33:10] <greycat> In that case, I don't know. Go ask
#raspbian. Maybe they did something different to their systemd.
3584 [22:33:20] <krishna> How do I make systemd to give more
helpful message, at least tell me what is going wrong
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3586 [22:33:29] <tomcres> ,v mame
3587 [22:33:30] <judd> Package: mame on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free:
0.146-5; jessie/non-free: 0.154-3.1; sid: 0.182-1; stretch: 0.182-1;
jessie-multimedia: 1:0.160-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.182-dmo1
3588 [22:33:39] <krishna> Ok, thanks.
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3590 [22:35:55] <mutante> i wish there was "kaillera" :)
that was once the thing that let you use Mame over the Internet
3591 [22:36:23] <mutante> multi-player with original arcade pacman
and stuff, was much fun. but Windows, and then Mame stopped
supportng the project
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3634 [22:51:31] <velix> How can I figure out all packages, which
need a specific library?
3635 [22:52:16] <apathor> `apt-cache rdepends` maybe velix
3636 [22:52:23] <velix> apathor: thx
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3641 [23:00:40] <Walex> velix: it is also quite useful to use
'aptitude' for that as it has a very nice package and
dependency browser
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3644 [23:01:44] <Walex> velix:
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3647 [23:02:56] <sim590> How can I show info about a package I
just installed.
3648 [23:02:58] <velix> Walex: thx
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3650 [23:03:17] <petemc> sim590: dpkg -l foo
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3652 [23:03:31] <monoxane> [very off topic] anyone care to do a
survey on ipv6 adoption for me (school requires me to collect
primary data), you dont need to have ipv6 to do it,
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3655 [23:04:10] <sim590> petemc: I want complete info displayed as
`apt show` does. However, apt show does only show info about the
latest package. But I want the info of the package installed.
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3660 [23:05:26] <petemc> sim590: im no aware of a way to do that.
you could do both and substitute info where necessary
3661 [23:05:39] <sim590> I guess I can do apt show -a <pkg>,
but it doesn't only show the installed package.
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3671 [23:11:25] <kion> can someone just outline me the process of
migrating from Debian 8 to 9, will it be only a 'apt-get
dist-upgrade' command or is it more elaborate? Sorry is it is a
stupid question, I just don't know...
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3682 [23:16:27] <monoxane> wait debian 9 is out?
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3686 [23:17:33] <missmbob> frozen
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3697 [23:21:14] <missmbob> kion: no that's pretty much it.
the install guide will tell you if there any known gotchas
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3701 [23:21:41] <missmbob> kion: assuming you changed your
sources.list to say stretch, that is
3702 [23:22:38] <kion> missmbob, so I will have to modify my
sources.list? and then do the apt-get update/upgrade?
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3705 [23:23:13] <missmbob> kion: yes. you want to do dist-upgrade
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3735 [23:34:02] <kion> missmbob, thanks
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3739 [23:35:39] <dpkg> i haven't seen 'kebap',
velix
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