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• 45[01:05:09] <alexrelis[m]> What Debian mirror do you guys use? I try to change my mirror to something else to evenly distribute bandwidth, but sometimes the mirror I use gets down a lot.
• 46[01:06:10] <dvs> I use deb.debian.org. It chooses the closest mirror.
• 47[01:06:54] <alexrelis[m]> dvs: Closest mirror based on IP address?
• 48[01:07:04] <dvs> yes
• 49[01:07:18] <avu> alexrelis[m]: I only use something other than deb.debian.org if I know there's a mirror very close and stable (ie in the same data center) run by my ISP
• 50[01:07:40] <alexrelis[m]> dvs: Oh wow, I didn't even know that.
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• 56[01:18:34] <alexrelis[m]> Also, in the sources.list, what is the difference between buster/updates and buster-updates?
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• 58[01:19:34] <avu> alexrelis[m]: security uses buster/updates, the primary repos use buster-updates, it's just paths on the server
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• 60[01:19:56] <avu> alexrelis[m]: and yes the difference is a bit unfortunate :)
• 61[01:20:04] <dvs> alexrelis[m], buster-updates used to be called volatile which are files that are updated frequently. buster/updates are packages that are updated once in a file, in response to bugs and such.
• 62[01:20:51] <avu> dvs: what, there's buster/updates on the primary repos (not security) as well?
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• 64[01:23:45] <dvs> avu, No, buster/updates is the security one.
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• 66[01:24:56] <alexrelis[m]> Thanks guys
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• 69[01:26:48] <dvs> np
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• 74[01:33:15] <alexrelis[m]> Another question: I'm trying to run a Windows program that requires .NET 4.6.1 via Wine. Is Wine Mono in the official repos? In the documentation (replaced-url
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• 83[01:43:11] <annadane> have you checked wine's website? you can also ask in #winehq
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• 95[01:56:01] <alexrelis[m]> annadane: I checked Wine's website but it looks like it's asking me to move something to my system directories and I am afraid I'll mess up my system by doing that. Just sent my message to #winehq. Wish me luck.
• 96[01:56:10] <annadane> luck
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• 108[02:02:36] <alexrelis[m]> luck received
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• 114[02:13:48] <annadane> alexrelis[m], i'd be curious to know the answer
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• 147[03:08:32] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: I think it has to do with the fact debian has other mono packages (at one time there was a mono package for wine, but it kept getting out dated). I think debian wine packages now just install mono in WINEPREFIX to avoid issues with debian's mono
• 148[03:09:13] <somiaj> Usually you get a promt with a new WINEPREFIX to isntall mono if you want, I think you can also do this with winetricks.
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• 150[03:10:56] <alexrelis[m]> somiaj: I don't know if this is the proper method, but I believe I was able to install Wine Mono by downloading this .msi installer (from replaced-url
• 151[03:10:56] <alexrelis[m]> Unfortunately, the program I'm trying to run won't load.
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• 156[03:15:49] <nvz> alexrelis[m]: replaced-url
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• 159[03:16:54] <nvz> alexrelis[m]: official .NET 4.6.1 EN_US offline installer
• 160[03:17:43] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: what version of wine are you using?
• 161[03:18:26] <alexrelis[m]> somiaj: wine-development on Buster, so 4.2-4.
• 162[03:19:35] <annadane> i don't think wine has ever offered to install mono
• 163[03:19:39] <annadane> the debian package
• 164[03:20:38] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: That version goes with wine 5.11, wonder if you need an older version of wine mono for that version of wine.
• 165[03:20:51] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: also, maybe 'winetricks dot46' will install it for you.
• 166[03:21:56] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: sorry, dotnet46
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• 168[03:22:25] <somiaj> annadane: you might be correct, I might be confusing it with my custom built packages I used for years.
• 169[03:22:44] <annadane> everyone should use sid. >:)
• 170[03:22:50] <annadane> (i'm joking; don't)
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• 172[03:26:38] <RoyK> !sid
• 173[03:26:38] <dpkg> i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 174[03:27:05] <nvz> all the pieces you can find..
• 175[03:27:14] <alexrelis[m]> annadane: I would use Sid, but I want to hold the world record for oldest Debian install. Also, the only way to become a Debian Monk is to only use Stable. >:)
• 176[03:27:44] <RoyK> alexrelis[m]: A corpse is quite stable…
• 177[03:27:57] <nvz> not really
• 178[03:28:16] <nvz> playonlinux will easily install concurrently even any version of wine you like, easily
• 179[03:28:30] * nvz feels a lil redundant
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• 235[04:55:33] <bremmy> can someone pls tell me how to install iceweasel?
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• 238[04:59:38] <rk4> bremmy: apt install iceweasel will do a apt install firefox-esr
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• 240[05:00:01] <rk4> [in stretch at least]
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• 243[05:01:36] <sney> bremmy: iceweasel was a temporary thing, it's been firefox (again) since 2016.
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• 245[05:01:57] <debsan> bremmy, replaced-url
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• 248[05:04:46] <syntaxman> I'm about to upgrade from buster to bullseye. I assume I should use "apt-get dist-upgrade" for this. Am I right?
• 249[05:04:55] <nvz> nope
• 250[05:05:03] <syntaxman> Glad I asked.
• 251[05:05:18] <nvz> I'm being a tad sarcastic.. implying that if you have to ask, don't do it :P
• 252[05:05:26] <sney> !release notes
• 253[05:05:26] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
• 254[05:05:33] <nvz> and in all honesty I think we should talk about this first
• 255[05:06:06] <nvz> because I've been using debian for almost 20 years and supporting it.. and I recently had a crazy idea to upgrade one of my machines to testing/unstable and been bitching about it ever since :P
• 256[05:06:10] <nvz> and I know better
• 257[05:06:37] <nvz> there are probably other ways to address whatever is making you think using testing is a good idea
• 258[05:06:54] <sney> oh, buster-bullseye. well, python2-rm is over and I find it pretty usable right now. YMMV of course but I can't think of any major storms on the horizon, so to speak
• 259[05:06:55] <nvz> cause I can tell you that there is a lot broken right now that has been annoyin the crap outta me :D
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• 261[05:07:30] <syntaxman> Crapless isn't a fun place to be :-)
• 262[05:07:44] <nvz> yeah..
• 263[05:08:08] * sney has bullseye amd64 with kde plasma on a desktop, and also bullseye 686-pae headless on a little network appliance, with minimal issues in the past few months
• 264[05:08:17] <syntaxman> Well... I don't do this kind of thing often, but I've been a user for about 15 years. At least I'm not a noob.
• 265[05:08:19] <nvz> well.. gimp first many of the tools disappeared from the toolbox, then the toolbox entirely.. digging throught the menus for the tools, many don't work.. chromium is crashing randomly.. etc..
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• 268[05:09:11] <rk4> i suppose the question is...why do you want bullseye :>
• 269[05:09:31] <sney> gimp from 2.8 to 2.10 was a jarring change indeed. blame upstream
• 270[05:09:32] <syntaxman> I hate myself
• 271[05:09:56] <nvz> yeah... cause I'd originalyl upgraded just to see the latest DEs and planned to test and bugremote em.. but then found I dont have the time and of all my machines I did this on the one I do the most crap on..
• 272[05:10:07] <nvz> bug report*
• 273[05:10:32] <nvz> there are usually better options for whatever you're doing
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• 275[05:10:54] <rk4> well if you hate yourself don't have ass it, go sid/experimental :)
• 276[05:10:58] <rk4> half*
• 277[05:11:02] <syntaxman> Heheh
• 278[05:11:10] <nvz> yeah.. well thats what I did.. went to sid..
• 279[05:11:18] <sney> dpkg: buster->bullseye
• 280[05:11:19] <dpkg> In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "buster" to "bullseye", remove lines like buster-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. Note that testing is a <moving target> and may be buggy, and read the sid FAQ: replaced-url
• 281[05:11:22] <nvz> now I wanna go back to buster but dont wanna do it until I get a new ssd now
• 282[05:11:33] <FrogPidgeon> Does sid fetch packages straight from upstream?
• 283[05:11:50] <nvz> FrogPidgeon: basically..
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• 285[05:11:59] <sney> FrogPidgeon: debian package maintainers upload to sid, using source from upstream with as few modifications as possible
• 286[05:12:37] <nvz> when they are in sid for awhile without RC bugs, things move into testing
• 287[05:12:53] <nvz> provided testing isn't frozen of course
• 288[05:13:32] <nvz> really the only reason anyone should be running testing is to be actually testing and reporting bugs
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• 290[05:13:56] <nvz> thats my opinion
• 291[05:13:59] <rk4> well, and the second reason :P
• 292[05:14:07] <rk4> its FLOSS and we do what we feel like
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• 294[05:14:22] <sney> or if they have a *practical* need (as in, not "because it's newer") for a more recent version of something, and it's too big/complicated for a backport to be feasible
• 295[05:14:56] <nvz> I usually go for chroots and such also before dist changing in those cases
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• 297[05:15:15] <rk4> for a long whiles i was using stable with stow managing /usr/local, that worked well. then i had guix going on handling a parallel software stack in /gnu on stable, that worked well too - but chewed CPU time since its slow to update
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• 299[05:15:20] <nvz> and I've had very few cases where that was actually needed
• 300[05:15:40] <nvz> guix :D
• 301[05:16:12] <rk4> i liked guix, but then they threw rms under the bus, so i stopped using it, debian did not do such a thing so i keep using it :)
• 302[05:16:15] <nvz> idk that I'm ever gonna be able to embrace that one.. I'd watched a Debconf talk on it, and then installed guixsd in a vm.. and wow..
• 303[05:16:39] <nvz> just seems like someone was /really/ high..
• 304[05:16:57] <nvz> got all idealistic and wanted to address some things in the craziest/simplest way possible
• 305[05:17:12] <nvz> a million symlinks and atrocious scheme/guile code later..
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• 308[05:17:26] <nvz> et viola.. guix..
• 309[05:18:01] <rk4> nix is the older and afaik bigger project, you lose everything being in scheme by using nix but same ideas [guix being a fork and all]. i should try nix sometime
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• 315[05:19:40] <nvz> idk it was perhaps the most convoluted crap I'd ever seen.. but I understand the feeling that drives people to wanna do that..
• 316[05:19:44] <rk4> i think the idea of writing package manifests and system configuration manifests in a fully capable programming language is a good idea, provided one shows enough discipline
• 317[05:20:06] <nvz> sometimes you just wanna get sometihng done and dont wanna be worn out by the complexity of doing it right.. just wanna do it right-now.. heh
• 318[05:20:10] <sney> huh, I'd never heard of guix before. maybe I'll try it on my writing laptop. I was previously test driving fedora silverblue there but it's very clunky and the package manager takes ages to do anything
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• 320[05:20:37] <nvz> sney: there is a debconf talk on it a couple years back.. worth checking out I suppose
• 321[05:21:00] <nvz> replaced-url
• 322[05:21:07] <sney> neat
• 323[05:21:09] <rk4> sney: beware guix's equiv of apt update, is slow as hell. multicore would be very handy, it recompiles a few [hundred?] scheme files
• 324[05:21:22] <nvz> Vagrant Cascadian debconf '18
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• 326[05:23:05] <sney> writing laptop is a thinkpad from 2015ish, so it does have a multicore i5 of some variety and decent memory and a ssd. I just use it for trying out random OSes because the only thing I need working on there is an editor
• 327[05:23:11] <nvz> I mostly loathe it because of the use of scheme/guile which I find disgusting, and the use of wildly convoluted symlink trees that result in among other things ps output having mile long strings in it
• 328[05:23:57] <rk4> D: nvz dare defame the noble scheme, and with it sicp!
• 329[05:24:06] <nvz> it feels too much like trying to build a skyscraper with a fistwedge
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• 336[05:33:30] * nvz wraps rk4 up so tight in parenthesis they talk with a lisp
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• 342[05:36:41] * rk4 transcends
• 343[05:37:37] * nvz wonders what ever happened to rahul
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• 349[05:54:01] <anonylinux> hi
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• 355[05:59:28] <nvz> lil bit, you?
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• 360[06:06:53] <ndorf> does there exist any tray/appindicator applet for local mail?
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• 362[06:08:01] <nvz> well depends on what DE you're using I suppose
• 363[06:08:16] <ndorf> i'm using MATE but i thought stuff like appindicator was supposed to be cross-DE
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• 365[06:08:45] <nvz> idk I'm not really familiar with it.. but I'd think local mail notification would be a trivial thing to implement regardless
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• 368[06:09:22] <ndorf> yes, i was hoping someone else took the trouble of implementing it already :)
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• 519[09:37:04] <martinus__> apt question : I want to pin a package from a third party repository (gitlab-ce), and force the admin to do something specific when it's time to upgrade. I thought about pinning the package but then I don't see how I can use the '-t' (or equivalent) option to bypass the pinning and "force" apt to upgrade the package
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• 526[09:45:29] <ksk> ,v gitlab-ce
• 527[09:45:30] <judd> No package named 'gitlab-ce' was found in amd64.
• 528[09:45:44] <ksk> martinus__: enforce it by policy, not software.
• 529[09:46:14] <martinus__> it's a third party repository
• 530[09:46:22] <martinus__> (for judd )
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• 532[09:47:51] <martinus__> for now I have a preference.d : gitlab-ce
• 533[09:47:51] <martinus__> Pin: release *
• 534[09:47:51] <martinus__> Pin-Priority: -1
• 535[09:47:54] <ksk> I wanted kind of imply "no need to pin if you only have one provider of package XY"
• 536[09:48:39] <martinus__> the goal is not to forget to re-enable the pinning after the upgrade
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• 539[09:51:22] <ksk> but why do you pin in the first place?
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• 550[10:00:23] <martinus__> ksk: good question. Because I don't want this package to be updated along with the other updates (like regular system security upgrades)
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• 552[10:01:01] <martinus__> ksk: and the people that are doing the system upgrades are not the same that are doing the gitlab upgrade and maintenance
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• 566[10:07:54] <ksk> martinus__: I think you then just want to set the package on hold.
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• 569[10:08:34] <ksk> !hold
• 570[10:08:35] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 572[10:09:14] <ksk> Make sure to have an external mechanism of following gitlab its updates then.
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• 580[10:18:45] <radkos> how can I manage automount of fuse fs configured in fstab?
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• 582[10:19:21] <radkos> with systemd _netdev seems to not be working anymore
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• 633[11:08:22] <zmitya> hi all
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• 636[11:10:33] <zmitya> I know this is not the best place to ask questions like this, but I let me ask... I have a Dell PE T410 with PERC H700 raid card.. can I manage a pre-failed disk replace with MegaCLI tool or do I need to install Dell's OMSA ?
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• 642[11:16:01] <rk4> you can ask, i only have unhelpful answers, like god i hate hardware raid. it is very rarely worth it.
• 643[11:16:19] <rk4> i have used and forgotten megacli :)
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• 650[11:20:36] <ksk> zmitya: afaik megacli can do the trick, but mastering its usage, eh..
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• 655[11:24:16] <ksk> Only thing I can remember right now is "-ldPd-something" and its key to know which letters are capital, and which not ;)
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• 663[11:33:48] <jusss> apt update get Temporary failure resolving, but ping the server is ok, why?
• 664[11:34:17] <zmitya> ksk: ok, thanks :) I know it is not the greatest, but if it can do this, I would not install OMSA on a very old legacy system ...
• 665[11:34:18] <jusss> deb replaced-url
• 666[11:34:36] <jusss> or replace buster to sid or unstable , all get same error
• 667[11:34:45] <ksk> jusss: thats not an official debian repo.
• 668[11:34:49] <ksk> (its kernel.org)
• 669[11:35:13] <jusss> ksk I've tried deb.debian.org/debian too
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• 671[11:35:37] <jusss> ksk: what's the cache about apt update?
• 672[11:35:53] <ksk> Have you misconfigrued you apt in a way its not able to perform its dutys anymore? revert these changes..
• 673[11:36:23] <jusss> how to config it again?
• 674[11:36:39] <jusss> /etc/apt/mirrors.list
• 675[11:36:46] <jusss> sources.list
• 676[11:36:48] <jusss> sorry
• 677[11:37:00] <ksk> Do what you did while altering it, just the other way round. Restoring from Backups also always an option.
• 678[11:37:03] <ksk> !reinstall
• 679[11:37:04] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
• 680[11:37:48] <ksk> okay, thats not what I wanted to trigger. If you dont know which files you edited and how, I suggest reinstalling. Do not edit stuff you dont understand.
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• 690[11:54:13] <jusss> what this mean "The program apt-get (and all the other APT programs) drops privileges when doing network requests, thus fails because it does not have the inet group. One workaround is to add the user _apt to the group inet (3003) and also set it as the primary group for user _apt (because APT deliberately relinquish all groups except the primary one)."
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• 698[12:06:35] <ksk> which part of it dont you understand? Thats nothing you need to do yourself if you did not break your system before.
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• 725[12:39:29] <gpeskens> Hi! I'm trying to get git buildpackage to to generate a debian version string (the part after the ~ symbol) as I'm building a piece of software for both stretch and buster, any tips on how to get this working?
• 726[12:41:01] <gpeskens> (I need it because reprerepo does not allow identical named deb's to be imported when they are not identical)
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• 756[13:05:45] <themill> gpeskens: you can either «dch --local ~$mydist "* Build for $mydist"» or «sbuild --append-to-version» (you can have gbp run sbuild with that option)
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• 772[13:18:09] <yibotg> Hello!I have two machine:a 32bit debian on HP520 and a 64bit debian on Lenovo E40,and use fcitx to input chinese.but it did not work well in Chromium on both machines.However,yesterday the 32bit machine's fcitx worked and 64bit didn't work.I want know why : )
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• 774[13:19:26] <ksk> !does not work
• 775[13:19:26] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 786[13:43:03] <gpeskens> themill, ty! :)
• 787[13:43:31] <gpeskens> I'll try with sbuild as it looks the simplest to integrate in my ci chain :)
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• 819[14:31:47] <ws2k3> sney: with smartctl -a /dev/sdc i can see the results of the long test right?
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• 824[14:37:45] <RoyK> ws2k3: smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdX
• 825[14:38:12] <ws2k3> RoyK: i started a long test yesterday and i would like to see the results
• 826[14:38:18] <RoyK> ws2k3: if the test is in progress, smartctl -a will show it - well - the latter shows the results as well, but it's a bit overkill if the test is over
• 827[14:38:57] <ws2k3> RoyK: then what would you recommand to check the results?
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• 830[14:41:57] <RoyK> ws2k3: either will work
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• 832[14:44:46] <ws2k3> RoyK: hmm okay weird it all looks fine
• 833[14:46:05] <ws2k3> RoyK: when i boot my machine it goes down after a few mins on aacraid: Host adapter abort request(0,1,6,0) so i found this. pci-0000:02:00.0-scsi-0:1:6:0-part1 -> ../../sdc1 so i suspected the disk is broken
• 834[14:46:26] <RoyK> ws2k3: please pastebin smartctl -a (or even smartctl -x) for the device
• 835[14:47:17] <RoyK> ws2k3: -a is "all info" while -x is "all info and a ton of stuff you probably don't need" ;)
• 836[14:47:33] <RoyK> *won't*
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• 838[14:48:03] <ws2k3> RoyK: replaced-url
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• 840[14:48:47] <ws2k3> RoyK: when i run crazydiskinfo i see this Caution C5 current-pending-sector on that disk
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• 842[14:49:31] <RoyK> ws2k3: 197 Current_Pending_Sector -O---K 100 100 000 - 112
• 843[14:49:36] <RoyK> that's high
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• 846[14:50:22] <RoyK> ws2k3: it should be zero. if it's a few sectors, probably not a big deal, but 112 - erm - it's no good
• 847[14:51:04] <ws2k3> RoyK: would be an idea to replace the disk?
• 848[14:51:04] <RoyK> ws2k3: with a bit of luck, the drive may still be under warranty
• 849[14:51:15] <RoyK> ws2k3: it certainly would
• 850[14:51:25] <ws2k3> RoyK: its a hired dedicated server. so im just tell them replace that disk please
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• 853[14:51:41] <RoyK> ws2k3: is it in a raid or something?
• 854[14:51:48] <ws2k3> RoyK: zfs
• 855[14:51:57] <ws2k3> yes raidz2
• 856[14:52:03] <RoyK> ok
• 857[14:52:05] <RoyK> do a scrub
• 858[14:52:10] <ws2k3> RoyK: i cant
• 859[14:52:22] <RoyK> why not?
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• 861[14:52:30] <ws2k3> cause then i do then the raid controller jumps to aacraid: Host adapter abort request(0,1,6,0)
• 862[14:52:51] <RoyK> shit
• 863[14:53:10] <RoyK> well, just replace that drive
• 864[14:53:30] <ws2k3> RoyK: well i have another disk that looks worrieing
• 865[14:53:55] <RoyK> ws2k3: replaced-url
• 866[14:54:11] <RoyK> check if it's covered by warranty - it might be
• 867[14:54:14] <ws2k3> RoyK: replaced-url
• 868[14:54:32] <ws2k3> RoyK: warrenty or not is not my concern since its a hired machined
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• 872[14:55:15] <RoyK> ws2k3: what do you mean is the problem with the latter?
• 873[14:55:32] <ws2k3> i have 2 disks that shows warning in crazydiskinfo
• 874[14:55:46] <ws2k3> the smartctl long test was on the first disk /dev/sdc
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• 876[14:56:03] <ws2k3> the latest pastebin is from /dev/sdf whish also show warning in crazydiskinfo
• 877[14:56:23] <ws2k3> i worry a bit that if i replace a disk i cant resilver cause the issue might be back
• 878[14:56:49] <anddam> howdy
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• 881[14:57:38] <RoyK> ws2k3: anything in zpool status -v ?
• 882[14:57:53] <anddam> on a Debian 10 image if I try to add python3-flake8, apt pulls in python2 as dependency. Is there a way to ask apt the reason why?
• 883[14:58:18] <RoyK> anddam: I'd file a bug
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• 886[14:58:23] <anddam> browsing the dependency on PDO I see only python3 ones, so that seems a bit odd
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• 888[15:00:50] <ws2k3> RoyK: well im now in rescue mode so i didnt boot the machine now
• 889[15:01:08] <ws2k3> RoyK: i need to boot the machine and then cansel the scrub to prevent it from going down immidiatly again
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• 895[15:05:46] <RoyK> ws2k3: I really don't like that abort you got there
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• 898[15:06:18] <ws2k3> RoyK: well exacly
• 899[15:06:29] <ws2k3> RoyK: its a raid controller in jbod mode
• 900[15:06:37] <ws2k3> RoyK: but the error is the same every time
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• 902[15:06:46] <ws2k3> the (0,1,6,0) which translate to /dev/sdc
• 903[15:06:56] <ws2k3> but im still not entirely sure if its the controller or the disk.
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• 907[15:09:26] <RoyK> ws2k3: was that the first disk you posted smartctl output about?
• 908[15:09:36] <ws2k3> RoyK: yes
• 909[15:09:45] <ws2k3> i have a /dev/sdc with warning and a /dev/sdf with warnings
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• 911[15:10:08] <RoyK> it's still fishy, since zfs normally won't have a problem with a bad drive.
• 912[15:10:37] * RoyK doesn't like using raidcontrollers in JBOD mode, but rather sticks to HBAs for ZFS and similar stuff
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• 914[15:12:48] <ws2k3> RoyK: unfortubaly that choice was not up to me
• 915[15:12:56] <ws2k3> RoyK: also not maby mobo's have 15 sata ports
• 916[15:13:55] <RoyK> ws2k3: I'm aware of that. I was just tossing in a comment ;)
• 917[15:14:20] <ws2k3> RoyK: yeah :) no you have a point
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• 919[15:14:31] <ws2k3> RoyK: so yeah im not entirely sure how i should proceed.
• 920[15:14:51] <ws2k3> RoyK: is it not possible to manualy fail a disk with zfs i could check if the scrub runs fine by then
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• 922[15:15:49] <RoyK> zfs fail <pool> <disk>
• 923[15:16:02] <RoyK> iirc
• 924[15:16:05] <RoyK> man zfs
• 925[15:16:06] <RoyK> erm
• 926[15:16:12] <RoyK> that's zpool, I guess
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• 928[15:16:21] <RoyK> I haven't used zfs for a while - sorry
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• 934[15:20:34] <rk4> i did enjoy using zfs on solaris, maybe i should poke into it on debian :>
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• 938[15:26:21] <ws2k3> rk4: it works pretty good(most of the time^^)
• 939[15:26:23] <ws2k3> RoyK: machine is up again and canseled the scrub
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• 1166[16:05:47] <steven43126> is there a known problem with package repo's at the moment ? seeing GPG errors on apt-get update replaced-url
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• 1168[16:10:36] <themill> steven43126: can you pastebin the InRelease file? "wget replaced-url
• 1169[16:12:40] <steven43126> themill replaced-url
• 1170[16:13:17] <themill> that looks right and that is signed correctly
• 1171[16:13:53] <steven43126> Odd, just running "docker run -it debian:latest apt-get update" to test
• 1172[16:14:24] <steven43126> so a fresh un-touched environment
• 1173[16:14:43] <themill> not so fresh or untouched, it seems
• 1174[16:15:07] <steven43126> No...
• 1175[16:15:14] <steven43126> plot thickens
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• 1177[16:16:23] <themill> What does «gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-buster-security-automatic.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-stretch-security-automatic.gpg InRelease» say?
• 1178[16:17:07] <themill> (and do those keys correctly exist inside the container)
• 1179[16:17:11] <steven43126> "docker run -it debian:jessie apt-get update" completed fine fwiw
• 1180[16:17:53] <greycat> ... jessie?!
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• 1182[16:19:33] <monsterco> I have an old debian server...running proxmox...trying to recover password, I don't see the Linux line to add bin bash after single user mode
• 1183[16:19:36] <monsterco> what am I missing?
• 1184[16:20:01] <greycat> !proxmox
• 1185[16:20:01] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 1187[16:20:45] <monsterco> greycat - grub is very similar across the two platforms
• 1188[16:20:56] <monsterco> can I get some pointers as to what am I missing
• 1189[16:21:18] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
• 1190[16:21:18] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
• 1191[16:21:27] <greycat> If it doesn't work on your Proxmox system, too bad.
• 1192[16:22:25] <themill> steven43126: btw «apt -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=true update» might be interesting to see
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• 1195[16:24:04] <monsterco> dpkg - I see these three lines: root, kernal, and initrd
• 1196[16:24:04] <dpkg> i don't know, monsterco
• 1197[16:24:15] <monsterco> to which line do I add the init=/bin/sh ?
• 1198[16:24:52] <ksk> monsterco: at the end of the kernel line. dpkg is a bot btw ;)
• 1199[16:25:16] <steven43126> themill replaced-url
• 1200[16:26:26] <monsterco> ksk - thank. I was able to boot and passwd change says "authentication token lock busy"
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• 1202[16:26:31] <steven43126> Got to dive into a meeting, will continue digging later, as there is no apt i can't install vim/curl/wget etc making in the docker image so will require some thought or finding a base image with a bit more installed
• 1203[16:27:56] <monsterco> did a remount and seems all worked; let's see
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• 1231[16:55:21] <atlizz> hi all
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• 1250[17:16:19] <monsterco> I have had to move an HDD to a new server from a failing server. New server has a different NIC with different MAC address. How can I update vmbr0 to use the new eth0 interface to get the network going?
• 1251[17:17:39] <karlpinc> monsterco: The easy way is to change /etc/network/interfaces and put in the name of the new nic. Unless you're using network manager, in which case I can't help.
• 1252[17:18:03] <karlpinc> !interfaces
• 1253[17:18:03] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
• 1254[17:18:17] <monsterco> karlpinc - thanks - there I only see vmbr0 and and no eth0
• 1255[17:18:44] <karlpinc> monsterco: What version of debian? The eth0 name is retired.
• 1256[17:18:48] <greycat> A new debian install will not use the old legacy eth0 names.
• 1257[17:19:11] <greycat> And for debian 10, even *upgrades* are strongly encouraged to use the new names, although it's not enforced.
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• 1259[17:19:13] <Haohmaru> a debian from the archielogical museum
• 1260[17:19:56] <monsterco> 7.8
• 1261[17:19:59] <monsterco> karlpinc
• 1262[17:20:04] <Haohmaru> aww
• 1263[17:20:19] <greycat> OK, that predates the Predictable Interface Names.
• 1264[17:20:34] <greycat> It probably uses the udev 70 thing...
• 1265[17:20:36] <karlpinc> !z70
• 1266[17:20:37] <dpkg> This is outdated, for Stretch see replaced-url
• 1267[17:20:46] <monsterco> is there a way to get this new NIC working?
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• 1269[17:20:56] <greycat> monsterco: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
• 1270[17:21:14] <karlpinc> monsterco: See the factoid above. (Do like greycat says.)
• 1271[17:21:36] <greycat> And please remember that Debian 7 is *long* past end of life.
• 1272[17:21:50] <greycat> Debian 8 just reached end of life last week or two.
• 1273[17:22:24] <mason> Mm, Debian 7.
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• 1275[17:22:47] <karlpinc> monsterco: You absolutely want to upgrade. Follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes, and only upgrade from one major release to the next.
• 1276[17:23:40] <karlpinc> monsterco: Don't skip releases when upgrading.
• 1277[17:23:41] <metbsd> is there a way to install kodi in testing/bullseye without upgrade to sid
• 1278[17:23:45] <avu> if you have decent backups, a re-install might be quicker and easier than upgrading 7->8->9->10 :)
• 1279[17:23:53] <karlpinc> ,v kodi
• 1280[17:23:54] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; buster: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 2:18.7+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.6-dmo1+deb9u3; buster-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo0+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2
• 1281[17:23:59] <buttros> Hi! Tweaks gnome shell extension prefs not working. Any solution?
• 1282[17:24:40] <metbsd> ok what does that mean
• 1283[17:24:45] <karlpinc> !dosen't work
• 1284[17:24:57] <metbsd> there is bullseye-multimedia that has kodi?
• 1285[17:25:00] <greycat> Ask the testing/unstable support channel, on the OFTC network.
• 1286[17:25:06] <metbsd> how do i enable that source
• 1287[17:25:13] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1288[17:25:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1289[17:25:20] <monsterco> this is throw away server
• 1290[17:25:23] <monsterco> just getting data
• 1291[17:25:42] <karlpinc> !tell buttros about doesn't work
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• 1293[17:26:01] <somiaj> metbsd: many also suggest not using debmultimedia, in testing, the sid version will work for the time.
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• 1295[17:26:12] <somiaj> !dmo
• 1296[17:26:13] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 1297[17:26:25] <annadane> people do mix testing and sid, it's not... not recommended
• 1298[17:26:42] <annadane> if the dependencies aren't too FUBAR then you can install a missing testing package from sid
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• 1301[17:28:11] <annadane> not discouraged, is the word i was looking for
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• 1303[17:28:15] <annadane> words are hard
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• 1307[17:28:56] <buttros> karlpinc: when I press the gear button nothing happens
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• 1315[17:34:07] <metbsd> so can i install one program of sid in testing
• 1316[17:34:12] <metbsd> ?
• 1317[17:34:15] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1318[17:34:16] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
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• 1321[17:34:43] <greycat> That is a *total* land mine that we don't want to support here.
• 1322[17:36:13] <annadane> the real answer is "it depends" but yes the migration period is only 2-10 days so it's not as discouraged as mixing testing or sid with stable
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• 1326[17:46:03] <buttros> gnome-shell extension preferences in tweaks don't work. when I press the gear button nothing happens. Gnome 3.36 Debian Testing
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• 1333[17:50:45] <annadane> !debian-next
• 1334[17:50:46] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1335[17:50:47] <annadane> buttros, ^
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• 1338[17:51:32] <annadane> (most people using debian are on stable, it's also the default, so you need to *tell us first* if you're not using stable)
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• 1345[17:59:52] <metbsd> there is kodi in stable but not testing
• 1346[18:00:01] <metbsd> looks like i should stick with stable
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• 1348[18:03:57] <nkuttler> ,v kodi
• 1349[18:03:58] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; buster: 2:17.6+dfsg1-4+b1; sid: 2:18.7+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 5:17.6-dmo1+deb9u3; buster-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo0+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 5:18.7-dmo2
• 1350[18:04:24] <nkuttler> metbsd: generally speaking, testing is the worst option.. when stuff breaks there it can stay broken forever..
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• 1356[18:14:33] <somiaj> metbsd: you should be asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, but replaced-url
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• 1358[18:14:50] <jtags> why Thunar in my debian 10 xfce installation may have 'open terminal here' button missing from time to time? sometimes it's there but sometimes the menu item is missing. is there some condition for that menu item to appear?
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• 1360[18:15:14] <somiaj> jtags: could permissions of the directory have anything to do with it?
• 1361[18:15:55] <jtags> i'll check shortly
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• 1364[18:17:11] <somiaj> jtags: hmm, google seems to give me lots of hits on how to configure what command/terminal is run, but not that the button is not visible in some locations.
• 1365[18:17:34] <jtags> yeah i didnt find anything as well, that bug was following me since debian 8
• 1366[18:17:49] <somiaj> jtags: have you been dist-upgrading since debian 8?
• 1367[18:17:59] <jtags> no it's a fresh install
• 1368[18:18:11] <somiaj> okay, just checking if some user configuration has been following you around
• 1369[18:18:31] <jtags> well i may re-check it anyway
• 1370[18:19:08] <somiaj> jtags: replaced-url
• 1371[18:19:29] <jtags> no
• 1372[18:19:59] <somiaj> well maybe at least check the configuration, though your description seems strange, I see 'button doesn't work', but not 'button is only visible in certain locations'
• 1373[18:20:18] <somiaj> also maybe track if it is always the same directory it is missing on or more random.
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• 1375[18:20:54] <jtags> i'll check the permissions guess and some old user profile settings.
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• 1378[18:22:32] <somiaj> jtags: replaced-url
• 1379[18:22:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1382[18:24:07] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 1383[18:24:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1384[18:24:08] <jtags> oh, here it is. when i select multiple items it disappears
• 1385[18:24:15] <somiaj> anyways, those are the only issues I can find
• 1386[18:24:23] <somiaj> If you can find a repeateable issue, report a bug
• 1387[18:24:34] <jtags> i am not sure not if it's a bug or not
• 1388[18:24:40] <jtags> now*
• 1389[18:24:55] <jtags> i never figured earlier that it depends on selection
• 1390[18:24:59] <steven43126> themill fyi: replaced-url
• 1391[18:25:45] <jtags> logically it should persist independently of selection
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• 1395[18:26:58] <somiaj> unsure, I don't use thunar, but if you aren't able to track it down, reproting a bug will at least let you know if it is actually a bug or some user issue
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• 1430[19:09:58] <jhutchins> jtags: That is logical behavior. If you have multiple items selected, there is no "here".
• 1431[19:10:24] <jhutchins> jtags: I've created a keyboard shortcut for Thunar.
• 1432[19:10:58] <jhutchins> (... and several other things, like the browser and my mail.)
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• 1507[20:52:48] <debnew> I got a new Lenovo flex 5. i'm trying to install Debian bullseye on it (I was told earlier versions wouldn't work). in the installer, the mouse doesn't move (it does click) and I have no wifi. any help please?
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• 1517[20:57:22] <mutante> debnew: regarding wifi, you most likely need to install nonfree firmware packages to make it work. 2 ways to go about it.. either connect Ethernet cable just for the install and once done you can download the firmware from the Internet and then don't need the cable anymore.. or you can download it to a USB flash drive before doing the install and in the right moment when the installer asks for it insert
• 1518[20:57:28] <mutante> the drive. in my experience the first option is easier
• 1519[20:57:45] <mutante> oh. and third option to download inofficial ISO that already includes nonfree firmware
• 1520[20:58:24] <mutante> first step is to findout which chipset it is or just google for "Debian/Linux on Lenovo Flex 5" to see who did it before
• 1521[20:58:42] <debnew> okay, thanks. i'll research more
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• 1623[22:38:02] <LinuxAgent> Hello. I am GLAT agent. Contact me to purchase a license for GNU/Linux ($99 single user, $49 volume).
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• 1626[22:38:35] <greycat> There need to be more stabbings.
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• 1635[22:41:18] <chakpapa> Hi. Where do I get the Debian Testing LIVE Images? replaced-url
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• 1637[22:43:03] <greycat> You could ask the Debian Live channel. Or you could ask the Debian Testing channel.
• 1638[22:43:29] <chakpapa> Which one is Debian live channel?
• 1639[22:43:36] <greycat> !debian-live
• 1640[22:43:36] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 1642[22:44:05] <chakpapa> Thanks
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• 1655[22:57:42] <dvs> Is it safe now?
• 1656[22:57:51] <greycat> Never.
• 1657[22:57:56] <dvs> Uh oh
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• 1677[23:19:58] <netcrash> Hello, tried and compiled the kernel but the initrd.img-5.7.8 has 181MB while others are 82MB , where did I go wrong?
• 1678[23:20:16] <netcrash> any sugestions?
• 1679[23:23:37] <dvs> netcrash, I think you're off by a factor of 10
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• 1687[23:29:52] <tds> netcrash: what do you mean by "others"? other kernels you've built? stock debian kernels? something else?
• 1688[23:33:19] <netcrash> 33M jul 13 22:32 initrd.img-5.7.8 managed to reduce it
• 1689[23:33:25] <netcrash> replaced-url
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• 1691[23:34:05] <netcrash> dvs: tds , this was compared to the kernel images comming with the system
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• 1696[23:38:45] <Aristide> Hello. I have a small big problem with apt ^^ I try to remove a package. But when I remove a package (problem appear with ALL packages), I get this error « : Sub-process dpkg --set-selections received signal 9. » . Do you have same problem ?
• 1697[23:39:59] <Aristide> but I can remove package with « sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq <packagename> »
• 1698[23:40:04] <greycat> out of memory?
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• 1700[23:41:16] <Aristide> greycat: I use a LXC container on Proxmox (I use 15.31% of memory)
• 1701[23:41:26] <greycat> !proxmox
• 1702[23:41:26] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 1705[23:41:52] <Aristide> 39MB used on 256MB. I try to up ram memory to 1GB for try again :)
• 1706[23:42:14] <sney> Aristide: proxmox is a different animal, please ask in their channel for support
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• 1708[23:43:09] <Aristide> [23:40:04] <greycat> out of memory? ← Thank's for this idea :D I switch from 256MB to 1GB and its work :x
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• 1714[23:45:30] <Aristide> But I note for next time ^^
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