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• 4[00:00:57] <wonderfulmee> you ran the ram tests and your win10 is running fine?
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• 7[00:01:36] <ewew> its caused by number of filedescriptors used by chrome. i found out that even filedescriptor count as open files.lets say one tab has 10 descriptors. then 30 pages times 10 and time 5.
• 8[00:01:51] <ewew> im running on linux only.
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• 10[00:02:04] <wonderfulmee> the nuber of FD's shouldn't matter in the least.
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• 12[00:02:35] <wonderfulmee> try running a proper OS, like WIndows 10.
• 13[00:02:54] <ewew> this is provocation ?
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• 16[00:03:28] <wonderfulmee> sounds like a hardware problem. no linux distribution from the get go would go "shutdown all the bases"
• 17[00:03:48] <wonderfulmee> nah, it's a stress test
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• 20[00:04:44] <ewew> actually its using 17 fd`s per proccess.
• 21[00:04:53] <wonderfulmee> there's a valid possibility that you're not alright, hardware-wise
• 22[00:04:59] <koollman> ewew: that's pretty far from 1024
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• 24[00:05:17] <ewew> but other things running on the userid.
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• 26[00:05:48] <wonderfulmee> if Windows installs and runs, come again.
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• 34[00:07:54] <wonderfulmee> also bring more details, as in where the install fails.
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• 38[00:10:53] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 39[00:10:54] <ConnS> ElectricElf ever around anymore?
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• 41[00:11:21] <ConnS> I hope hes not locked in his titanium MIL box working on servers.
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• 43[00:11:35] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to read a content from /dev/ttyACM1, and output it in a file... For now I use screen /dev/ttyACM1 115200 to read the files
• 44[00:11:35] <ConnS> with guard posted at the doors detaining him.
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• 46[00:11:44] <wonderfulmee> working on servers is the hardest.
• 47[00:11:51] <tobiasBora> but I don't know how to output that to a file
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• 49[00:12:05] <tobiasBora> do you have any idea to redirect /dev/ttyACM1 outputs to a given file ?
• 50[00:12:28] <wonderfulmee> you're working on them servers and suddenly nothing installs anymore.
• 51[00:12:54] <tobiasBora> Hum, I found socat that works. If you have a better way, please let me know
• 52[00:12:54] <wonderfulmee> turns out you're an apple commercial.
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• 58[00:13:56] <wonderfulmee> ssh forwarding?
• 59[00:14:17] <wonderfulmee> as to the "socat question"
• 60[00:14:56] <Guest67285> hello, i was using debian 8.8 , yesterday i ist did minimal upgrade n then dist-upgrade but i got some glibc wanting upgarded i opted no. upgrade canncelled now its showing unmet dependcies
• 61[00:15:05] <Guest67285> plz hlep
• 62[00:15:27] <Guest67285> i upgarded to 9
• 63[00:15:35] <ewew> looks like the raise of limit helped.
• 64[00:15:36] <wonderfulmee> probably not should have cancelled glibc upgrades. rerun apt-get dist-upgrade
• 65[00:15:48] <MarkG1234> Hi, I have some old scripts that use ffmpeg, and I see that avconv is now the new replacement. are the filters compiled in, or runtime? I need to be able to measure volume and use r128 filter, but it's not in my raspbian binary build. Do I have to compile from source to get it?
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• 67[00:16:54] <Guest67285> wonderfulmee: what to do now , dist-upgade is showing unmet dependencie
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• 70[00:17:18] <wonderfulmee> Guest67285, probably copy & paste the output
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• 73[00:17:46] <Tramp> MarkG1234: hmm, avconv was it until jessie. Now (stretch) it's back to ffmpeg
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• 77[00:18:45] <Tramp> MarkG1234: oh - and for raspbian this is the wrong channel
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• 79[00:19:28] <wonderfulmee> this is for proper them debianers
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• 81[00:19:36] <wonderfulmee> is that a word, debianers?
• 82[00:19:38] <Guest67285> wonderfulmee: here is the output of dist-upgrde replaced-url
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• 85[00:20:10] <wonderfulmee> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
• 86[00:20:15] <wonderfulmee> can you read at all
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• 88[00:21:00] <wonderfulmee> you're trying to install that hasn't met its dependencies
• 89[00:21:10] <wonderfulmee> apt-get is literally crying at you to install them
• 90[00:21:10] <abrotman> no need to be harsh
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• 92[00:21:39] <wonderfulmee> I mean it's crying out at him
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• 95[00:21:45] <abrotman> stop
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• 99[00:22:14] <Guest67285> wonderfulmee: here is what i get on dpkg --configure replaced-url
• 100[00:22:18] <thingfish> I haven't been in #debian since Sarge was stable. And abrotman was here back then, too. Wow.
• 101[00:22:25] <thingfish> :)
• 102[00:22:27] <abrotman> howdy :)
• 103[00:22:30] <thingfish> hi
• 104[00:22:36] <Guest67285> wonderfulmee: what should i do now?
• 105[00:22:52] <abrotman> Guest67285: pastebin your sources.list so we can ensure they're setup correctly
• 106[00:23:01] <abrotman> paste.debian.net please
• 107[00:23:29] <wonderfulmee> Guest67285, stop installing random software. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, otherwise
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• 109[00:23:55] <wonderfulmee> what the other guy said about sources.list, too
• 110[00:24:30] <Guest67285> here is the sourcelist replaced-url
• 111[00:24:46] <wonderfulmee> from what I'm seeing you've f*cked up your package system real good
• 112[00:25:13] <wonderfulmee> okay, is everyone seeing what I'm seeing?
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• 114[00:25:18] <abrotman> wonderfulmee: feel free to step away if it's too much for you :)
• 115[00:25:28] <abrotman> Guest67285: what is the output of "apt-get update;apt-get -f install"
• 116[00:25:28] <wonderfulmee> all of your sources are commented out
• 117[00:25:33] <ewew> it looks like trolling.
• 118[00:25:33] <abrotman> no, not all
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• 121[00:26:30] <wonderfulmee> like, all of your sources are commented out real good
• 122[00:26:41] <abrotman> can you read at all?
• 123[00:26:46] <mtn> heh
• 124[00:26:51] <wonderfulmee> except for one deb replaced-url
• 125[00:26:55] <abrotman> read again
• 126[00:27:11] <wonderfulmee> I'm not a debian user, but maybe get a real sources.list from them
• 127[00:27:18] <abrotman> stop already
• 128[00:27:21] <abrotman> last warning
• 129[00:27:31] <Guest67285> abrotman: apt-get update works fine i will see now apt-get-f install
• 130[00:27:35] <wonderfulmee> that's his issue
• 131[00:27:49] <wonderfulmee> what are you on abouts those warnings?
• 132[00:27:53] <Gazooo> anyone know of a way while using a bastion/ssh jump host, to have a private key which can connect to other boxes on the network, without actually making that key available to the user, if that makes any sense
• 133[00:28:54] <Guest67285> here is the output of apt-get -f install replaced-url
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• 136[00:29:18] <likcoras> Why does manpages.debian.org show jessie manpages by default instead of stretch?
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• 138[00:29:42] <wonderfulmee> a fellow f*uped up their own APT
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• 142[00:30:03] <Guest67285> wonderfulmee: what to do now
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• 144[00:30:36] <Guest67285> abrotman: r u here
• 145[00:30:39] <abrotman> Guest67285: apt-cache policy libc-dev-bin
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• 148[00:31:50] <Guest67285> abrotman: here is the output of it sudo apt-cache policy libc-dev-bin libc-dev-bin: Installed: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Candidate: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Version table: *** 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 990 replaced-url
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• 151[00:32:50] <abrotman> Guest67285: and the same for libc6 ?
• 152[00:33:27] <Guest67285> yes
• 153[00:33:32] <abrotman> I meant to show us
• 154[00:33:43] <Guest67285> sudo apt-cache policy libc6 libc6: Installed: 2.19-18+deb8u9 Candidate: 2.24-11+deb9u1 Version table: 2.24-11+deb9u1 0 990 replaced-url
• 155[00:33:56] <abrotman> do you have anything in your apt preferences, a held package?
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• 157[00:34:20] <Guest67285> abrotman: how to see that
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• 162[00:35:12] <abrotman> Guest67285: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "^h"
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• 164[00:35:19] <abrotman> sorry
• 165[00:35:24] <abrotman> Guest67285: dpkg --get-selections | egrep "hold$"
• 166[00:35:53] <kion> Can someone tell me why Debian used for desktop comes without a firewall?
• 167[00:36:14] <abrotman> because your network has one? because your desktop doesn't have open ports?
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• 170[00:36:24] *** wonderfulmee was kicked by abrotman (you should know better)
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• 172[00:36:39] <missmbob> because you didnt bother to apt install one
• 173[00:37:01] <Guest67285> aabort : grep: warning: GREP_OPTIONS is deprecated; please use an alias or script
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• 176[00:37:29] <kion> missmbob, shouldn't that be a basic security feature that should come by default?
• 177[00:37:34] <abrotman> but didn't return anything
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• 179[00:37:47] <missmbob> kion: not on linux
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• 181[00:37:56] <abrotman> Guest67285: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" .. to ensure we're seeing it get all soures
• 182[00:37:59] <kion> missmbob, I just write rules for iptables, what is one you can apt install?
• 183[00:38:31] <missmbob> kion: i'd use iptables. you can apt install ufw
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• 187[00:39:30] <kion> missmbob, that is what I thought, but no, ufw has really complicated chains that are not clear to me, I much rather just write my own iptables rules and set drop policies for input.
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• 189[00:39:53] <missmbob> great
• 190[00:39:55] <dax> uh, so do that?
• 191[00:40:39] <Guest67285> here it is replaced-url
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• 193[00:41:26] <abrotman> Guest67285: try aptitude full-upgrade, see what it says
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• 195[00:41:35] <kion> I was just curious as why didn't Debian came with a simple yet effective firewall already working...
• 196[00:41:54] <abrotman> it shouldn't need one unless oyu install a daemon that listens?
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• 202[00:44:20] <Guest67285> abrotman: full upgrade shows this replaced-url
• 203[00:44:33] <likcoras> hm, nftables is recommended, but there's no real reason to switch away from a perfectly good iptables setup yet, right?
• 204[00:44:50] <likcoras> Can't wrap my head around nftables for some reason.
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• 208[00:45:32] <kion> abrotman, yes, I understand, till some program starts listening without you knowing, right?
• 209[00:45:59] <kion> likcoras, how is nftables superior to iptables?
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• 213[00:46:23] <sigactor> cool spam email replaced-url
• 214[00:46:49] <Guest67285> abrotman: u there?
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• 216[00:46:55] <likcoras> kion: Well, most of the places I've seen that mention nftables say that it's recommended over iptables. replaced-url
• 217[00:47:02] <teraflops> likcoras: yep, but you can try nftables just for the sake of it
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• 223[00:48:20] <abrotman> Guest67285: dpkg --configure -a ?
• 224[00:48:26] <likcoras> Dunno, too confusing for me right now. I'll wait for more people to get familiar with it so they can explain it to me instead.
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• 233[00:49:46] <Guest67285> here is the output of dpkg --configure -a replaced-url
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• 235[00:50:32] <dhuv> Hi, I am looking for help with MariaDB not starting after upgrading to Stretch. I have found others on the internet with the same problem (NoNewPrivileges) but no real solution. This is a dev server so I tried uninstalling all packages related to mariadb and mysql and reinstalling but still the same error.
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• 237[00:50:42] <teraflops> likcoras: actually the syntax is way more human readable
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• 241[00:51:17] <teraflops> xD
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• 246[00:52:11] <gr8> after installing the big bunch of updates for Jessie, everything looks different, many programs look better. Why is that? :D
• 247[00:52:19] <teraflops> that guy is about the blacklist a whole datacenter
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• 249[00:52:34] <Guest67285> i upgrded to 9 from 8.8 while upgrde i got glibc upgrade i selected no,, now m getting unmet dependcies on dist-upgrdae
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• 258[00:53:57] <Guest67285> abrotman: teraflops what to do now
• 259[00:54:09] <teraflops> Guest67285: why do you ask me? :P
• 260[00:54:20] <Guest67285> can u help
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• 262[00:54:25] <teraflops> likcoras: e.g replaced-url
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• 264[00:54:27] <dhuv> @Guest67285 I just did an upgrade from Jessie to Stretch and did not get a problem with GCC. Were you at the latest version? Did you have any packages held back?
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• 269[00:54:51] <teraflops> Guest67285: to be honest I was about to going to sleep
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• 276[00:55:42] <Guest67285> abrotman: r u here?????
• 277[00:55:50] <TayaMaruti> gstreamer0.10 dosen't seem to be supported in stretch what is the reasons and is it permanent some of my applications use 0.10 exclusively
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• 279[00:55:56] <likcoras> teraflops: in the thing you just sent me, is "chain input" just a name or does "input" have a special meaning there?
• 280[00:56:00] <abrotman> Guest67285: sort of, apt-get install libc6-dev .. what does it say?
• 281[00:56:03] <teraflops> Guest67285: is not a great idea poking people that way
• 282[00:56:11] <abrotman> also,
• 283[00:56:12] <abrotman> !ep
• 284[00:56:12] <dpkg> Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
• 285[00:56:16] <abrotman> :)
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• 287[00:56:23] <digup> What is the best way to wipe an Intel 540 ssd from live CD?
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• 290[00:57:10] <nils_> dhuv, can you describe the MariaDB problem or link to somewhere?
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• 293[00:57:35] <mtn> digup: gparted
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• 296[00:58:04] <Guest67285> abrotman: here is what i get on libc6 dev replaced-url
• 297[00:58:06] <nils_> digup, blkdiscard or hdparm
• 298[00:58:09] <dhuv> @nils_ replaced-url
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• 300[00:58:24] <teraflops> likcoras: there is just a name
• 301[00:58:52] <digup> nils_: I've seen a lot of people talk about hdparm, is there a chance it might brick my SSD?
• 302[00:58:56] <teraflops> likcoras: you have chains and hooks
• 303[00:58:58] <likcoras> Ah, alright. On every single manual and wiki page it's named the same as the uh, hook? so I thought it might be important.
• 304[00:59:07] <dhuv> @nils_ By the way, I already tried setting "NoNewPrivileges=false" but still gives the same error on startup
• 305[00:59:32] <nils_> dhuv, I'm assuming you're using the Debian provided version?
• 306[00:59:45] <nils_> digup, it's the only way I know how to issue a secure erase
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• 308[01:00:28] <nils_> digup, usually a full blkdiscard should scramble everything, although the data still remains. Might be better to overwrite the drive once and then discard it.
• 309[01:00:54] <dhuv> @nils_ yes this is all straight Debian packages
• 310[01:01:30] <nils_> dhuv, alright, I've been using the packages from mariadb.org usually, which have been a major source of headaches with just about every release ;)
• 311[01:02:04] <Guest67285> abrotman: what should i do now
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• 314[01:02:11] <digup> nils_: I'm not looking to throw the drive away, I just want to wipe anything windows off because windows keeps finding ways to mess up everything using old install data.
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• 316[01:02:35] <nils_> digup, none of my suggestions will brick your drive.
• 317[01:02:38] <mtn> digup: gparted
• 318[01:02:48] <nils_> dhuv, did you do the following after adding whatever.conf: systemctl daemon-reload
• 319[01:02:58] <kion> digup, If you want to wipe(like secure removing stuff) , I would use dd or srm...
• 320[01:03:04] <Guest67285> abrotman: i forgot i removed this file 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old
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• 322[01:03:32] <digup> kion: A lot people are saying using dd would cause a lot of read/write and kill your ssd faster.
• 323[01:03:37] <nils_> dhuv, then try to start it, if it fails please paste systemctl status -l -n 100 mariadb.service
• 324[01:04:05] <nils_> digup, the blkdiscard should suffice, it issues a TRIM to the whole drive.
• 325[01:04:26] <kion> digup, srm will overwrite your stuff about 30 times before filling it with zeros and then deleting it...
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• 327[01:04:52] <kion> digup, it seems that you only need to format the drive, as someone pointed gparted can do it.
• 328[01:04:52] <nils_> it's also a good idea to wipe the GPT disklabels: sgdisk -Z /dev/disk/by-id/$devicename
• 329[01:04:55] <digup> kion: Yea, but isn't that hard on an ssd and uses a ton of read/writes?
• 330[01:05:36] <digup> nils_: Yea, I plan to wipe the drive and then use parted's mklabel to set it gpt.
• 331[01:05:37] <nils_> yeah, that would be a few write cycles to the whole disk. Secure Erase simply changes the drives internal encryption key and marks all sectors as unused (as in TRIM/Discard/UNMAP)
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• 334[01:05:50] <one_over> linux offen leaves trim disabled by default
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• 338[01:06:08] <nils_> this will simply mark all the blocks as free: blkdiscard /dev/disk/by-id/$devicename
• 339[01:06:17] <kion> digup, I'm no expert, but I would assume that an ssd with no moving parts would last an eternity in terms of writing and re writing into it, if I am wrong pleas someone jump in and enlighten us
• 340[01:06:29] <nils_> one_over, that's only when mounting filesystems though.
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• 342[01:06:53] <nils_> kion, no actually. The cells degrade over time the more often you write to them.
• 343[01:07:05] <digup> kion: From what I've been reading and know, ssd's have limited read/writes because of this. The circuits wear down over time.
• 344[01:07:29] <one_over> high end ssd has a high tolerance
• 345[01:07:36] <ewew> well. so far it looks like a bug in the stable version of chrome.
• 346[01:07:38] <kion> digup, are they at least as good as the previous magnetic hard drives?
• 347[01:07:39] <Guest67285> abrotman: r u there
• 348[01:07:53] <digup> That's why I wanted to check here. Thanks, I'll give blkdiscard and hdparm a look.
• 349[01:07:58] <nils_> kion, it depends ;)
• 350[01:08:21] <digup> Both should be on Debian 9 Live CD lxde right?
• 351[01:08:41] <nils_> digup, if not it should be possible to install them, blkdiscard is part of util-linux
• 352[01:08:49] <kion> nils_, I have an Nvme disk, I thought my info was safer now! still do frequent backups though :)
• 353[01:08:51] <digup> ok
• 354[01:08:54] <Guest67285> abrotman: r u there?????
• 355[01:09:08] <dhuv> @nils_ replaced-url
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• 359[01:10:03] <nils_> kion, I've seen pretty much any kind of drive fail, but high end SSD are probably a lot safer and more predictable as to when they fail (firmware bugs notwithstanding)
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• 363[01:11:04] <nils_> kion, this is all terribly off-topic though, I think servethehome.com has quite a few articles on it, they have tested used SSD and also stress tested some consumer drives by constantly writing to them
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• 369[01:11:47] <one_over> samsung intel crucial and sandisk are the best ssds
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• 371[01:12:04] <nils_> no love for FusionIO?
• 372[01:12:04] <Guest67285> i upgraded form 8.8 to 9 but i meatime i got prompt about glibc i opted no, now m getting unmet dependencies on dist upgerde plz help
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• 374[01:12:41] <nils_> Guest67285, well that was not a good idea now was it? Everything depends on glibc...
• 375[01:12:47] <kion> nils_, I apologize for digressing off-topic thanks for the link though
• 376[01:13:02] <Guest67285> nils what to do now
• 377[01:13:10] <dhuv> @ Guest67285 What are the exact errors? and what do you see if you do "apt-get dist-upgrade"
• 378[01:13:36] <ewew> so far it looks like the google-chrome-stable is not good.
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• 380[01:13:46] <one_over> Can't wait till you can buy a 1tb sdd for under 100 dolalrs
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• 384[01:14:05] <Guest67285> i get this on dist-upgrde replaced-url
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• 387[01:15:19] <Guest67285> on dpkg --configure -a i get this replaced-url
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• 389[01:16:55] <nils_> dhuv, need to research this a bit more, what's your kernel version?
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• 391[01:17:54] <Guest67285> still 3.16.0.4
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• 393[01:17:56] <dhuv> @nils_ I was about to say 4.9 which comes with Debian 9 but apparently it is still running 3.2 because it was not updated in AWS. I am going to try and fix that.
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• 395[01:18:12] <nils_> dhuv, yeah I think that might be it.
• 396[01:18:18] <Guest67285> what to do now guys
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• 398[01:19:32] <Guest67285> nils_: what should i do now
• 399[01:20:06] <nils_> Guest67285, I don't know precisely, but I would think you have to lift the package hold on glibc which would resolve the dependency issues
• 400[01:20:09] <ewew> any idea why the stable version of chrome snaps ?
• 401[01:20:29] <ForceRecon> ignorance is truly bliss
• 402[01:20:30] <Guest67285> nils_: how to do that
• 403[01:20:54] <ForceRecon> how do I take a usb drive that is formated under linux and make it capable of fat32 from the linux machine
• 404[01:20:58] <ForceRecon> So many hoops
• 405[01:21:07] <Guest67285> dhuv: can u help
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• 407[01:21:35] <nils_> ForceRecon, mkfs.vfat? Loses all the data though.
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• 409[01:21:54] <ForceRecon> I don't care.. I just want to wipe the usb and make it capable of fat32
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• 411[01:22:21] <TomG2> Guest67285, have you tried apt-get -f install ?
• 412[01:22:25] <nils_> well luckily FAT32 is supported in Linux so you just need to reformat it
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• 414[01:22:40] <Guest67285> TomG2: yes umet defendies
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• 416[01:23:15] <TomG2> Guest67285, what do you have in your sources.list ?
• 417[01:23:20] <ForceRecon> in winodws the usb shows 2.5MB free.. I moved it over to my linux machine debian btw all I want to do is format it so that I get all space back and use it on the windows machine for 10 minutes
• 418[01:23:21] <Violinist> umm yeah
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• 423[01:25:10] <Guest67285> TomG2: here is source list replaced-url
• 424[01:25:18] <cef> ewew: are you on jessie or stretch?
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• 429[01:26:29] <ForceRecon> for some reason even on linux I have no ability to delete the data on the usb
• 430[01:26:32] <ForceRecon> wth
• 431[01:26:52] <Guest67285> i was dist-upgrading on stretch from jessie, i got a promt about glibc i chose no , upgrade cancelled now m getting umnet dependecies
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• 433[01:27:08] <TomG2> okay try dpkg-reconfigure glibc
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• 435[01:27:36] <dhuv> @Guest67285 I would try to do "apt-get -f install" like it says and see what happens. After that I would try to upgrade to the glib package to the latest version.
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• 438[01:29:05] <TomG2> and also try dpkg-reconfigure libc6
• 439[01:29:06] <Guest67285> dpkg-query: package 'glibc' is not installed and no information is available Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: glibc is not installed
• 440[01:29:17] <TomG2> yeah I gave you the wrong package name, sorry
• 441[01:29:27] <TomG2> i think you can fix all this by reinstalling or reconfiguring libc6
• 442[01:29:36] <nils_> libc-bin or something
• 443[01:30:05] <Guest67285> whats the rightname
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• 446[01:30:45] <cef> ewew: which version of debian are you using?
• 447[01:30:48] <woh3> HI all, I have just installed debian 9, and am having dependency hell with libgstreamer, it does not seem to be in any repos, and I installed the deb-multimedia.org repo, but still cant get gstreamer, what am I doing wrong?
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• 449[01:31:14] <missmbob> !dont break debian
• 450[01:31:14] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 454[01:31:41] <missmbob> !deb-multimedia
• 455[01:31:41] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 456[01:31:53] <ForceRecon> is there a disk manager in debian or disks install.. what is the proper syntax for installation
• 457[01:31:57] <missmbob> "many hard to debug problems"
• 458[01:32:18] <Guest67285> TomG2: what is the rightname
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• 460[01:32:24] <woh3> <dmm stretch>
• 461[01:32:26] <TomG2> Guest67285, I would try dpkg-reconfigure libc6
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• 464[01:32:55] <TomG2> or may be apt-get --reinstall install libc6 or just dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*.deb
• 465[01:33:06] <cef> !tell woh3 about dmm stretch
• 466[01:33:35] <Guest67285> TomG2: no such file
• 467[01:34:02] <woh3> ok, well if not deb-multimedia.org then what? can I get gstreamer and its deps from somewhere else for stretch?
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• 469[01:34:03] <cef> woh3: you don't need the <>'s and just prefix it with !
• 470[01:34:14] <woh3> ok
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• 472[01:34:24] <TomG2> Guest67285, did you try the other commands I listed?
• 473[01:34:33] <woh3> !dmm list
• 474[01:34:33] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
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• 477[01:35:23] <Guest67285> TomG2: libc6 is not vlid package name
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• 479[01:35:34] <Guest67285> TomG2: yes i tried
• 480[01:35:37] <cef> woh3: you can also ask direct in a query window to dpkg (without the !), which keeps it all off channel if you like (also keeps it clean of other people's conversations)
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• 482[01:35:51] <TomG2> libc6? sure it is... i'm confused
• 483[01:36:12] <woh3> ok, so does anyone know a better source for gstreamer? I cant get rstudio to run without it
• 484[01:36:16] <Guest67285> sudo dpkg-reconfigure libc6 dpkg-query: error: --status needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance Use --help for help about querying packages. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6 is not installed
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• 486[01:36:28] <TomG2> Guest67285, can you please try dpkg-reconfigure libc6:amd64
• 487[01:36:32] <cef> what, rstudio needs gstreamer?
• 488[01:36:49] <woh3> indeed it does
• 489[01:36:55] <woh3> or atleast libgstreamer
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• 491[01:37:28] <Guest67285> TomG2: it worked
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• 493[01:37:48] <cef> weird. I never had to install it on my g/f's machine when I put rstudio on there. hrmmm
• 494[01:37:49] <Guest67285> TomG2: what to do next
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• 496[01:38:25] <woh3> so is there a diff repo for multimedia I should use?
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• 500[01:39:26] <cef> woh3: wait.. is rstudio the name of an audio editor? confusing if so cos rstudio is also an environment for developing R code.
• 501[01:39:34] <TomG2> Guest67285, try the dist-upgrade again
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• 504[01:40:39] <Guest67285> TomG2: iget this replaced-url
• 505[01:40:51] <TomG2> ah crap
• 506[01:41:00] <TomG2> maybe try apt-get -f install libc6
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• 508[01:41:59] <TomG2> or apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:amd64
• 509[01:42:32] <woh3> yeah, I am a mathematician, and I use R for stats a lot
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• 512[01:42:55] <Guest67285> TomG2: i get this replaced-url
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• 516[01:43:32] <Guest67285> TomG2: i removed this file also
• 517[01:43:33] <cef> woh3: yeah.. that's why I am confused cos I never had to do that with a machine running jessie-backports.. I don't think it ever installed any libgstreamer stuff. hrm..
• 518[01:43:40] <Guest67285> TomG2: i removed this file also 50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old
• 519[01:44:00] <TomG2> okay, that's fine
• 520[01:44:19] <TomG2> Guest67285, please try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64
• 521[01:44:19] <Guest67285> TomG2: what to do now
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• 523[01:44:35] <woh3> yeah I have been googling like crazy for repos that have it but nothing is working, thinking of going back to jessie
• 524[01:44:51] <TomG2> can you please try dpkg --configure libc6
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• 528[01:45:59] <Guest67285> TomG2: dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--configure): package libc6:amd64 is already installed and configured Errors were encountered while processing: libc6:amd64
• 529[01:46:23] <TomG2> okay can you please try dpkg --configure libc6:i386
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• 531[01:46:35] <Guest67285> TomG2: same error
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• 533[01:46:52] <Guest67285> TomG2: i was dist-upgrading from 8.8 to 9
• 534[01:46:54] <cef> woh3: I'll definitely be waiting for that to be fixed before I upgrade my g/f's machine.
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• 537[01:47:16] <TomG2> Guest67285, yeah, i'm just trying to get it to go ahead with the upgrad
• 538[01:47:43] <woh3> is there a way to retrograde through apt back to jessie 8.8?
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• 540[01:47:49] <Guest67285> TomG2: i havent rebooted since the error
• 541[01:48:07] <Guest67285> TomG2: minimal upgrde went fine
• 542[01:48:15] <TomG2> Guest67285, can you try installing the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, like dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_*.deb
• 543[01:48:31] <Guest67285> TomG2: didt-upgrade got cannceld after i opted no for glibc
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• 545[01:48:42] <TomG2> yeah i know what you mean
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• 547[01:49:06] <TomG2> try just apt-get upgrade ?
• 548[01:49:49] <Guest67285> same unmet dependencies
• 549[01:50:00] <TomG2> did you try the dpkg -i line?
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• 552[01:50:30] <TomG2> maybe I should tell you to install the old one and then upgrade from there
• 553[01:50:46] <Guest67285> TomG2: how to do that
• 554[01:51:18] <TomG2> download here, and run dpkg -i package replaced-url
• 555[01:51:21] <TomG2> i hope
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• 564[01:53:23] <Guest67285> TomG2: sudo dpkg -i Downloads/libc6_2.19-18+deb8u10_amd64.deb (Reading database ... 427980 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../libc6_2.19-18+deb8u10_amd64.deb ... De-configuring libc6:i386 (2.19-18+deb8u9) ... Unpacking libc6:amd64 (2.19-18+deb8u10) over (2.19-18+deb8u9) ... dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--install): package libc6:amd64 2.19-18+deb8u10 cannot be configured because lib
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• 568[01:54:43] <TomG2> can you show me the rest of the line?
• 569[01:55:04] <Guest67285> i got error
• 570[01:55:15] <TomG2> after "cannot be configured because li..."
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• 572[01:55:29] <Guest67285> this is it replaced-url
• 573[01:55:58] <woh3> so anybody know about gstreamer?
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• 575[01:56:41] <n-iCe> hi
• 576[01:56:47] <TomG2> Guest67285, okay nevermind all that
• 577[01:56:58] <Guest67285> now
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• 579[01:57:27] <TomG2> hmm I think I already told you to try apt-get --reinstall install libc6:amd64 libc6:i386
• 580[01:57:29] <Guest67285> TomG2: i also did autoclean n autoremove
• 581[01:57:38] <TomG2> yeah that's fine
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• 583[01:58:19] <Guest67285> TomG2: unmet dependencies on reinstall install libc6:amd64 libc6:i386
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• 585[01:58:30] <woh3> sorry TomG2 was that apt-get reinstall meant for me?
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• 587[01:58:49] <TomG2> woh3: no, for Guest67285
• 588[01:58:57] <Guest67285> TomG2: its showng is not to be installed did u saw that
• 589[01:59:07] <camh> woh3: gstreamer is in stretch: replaced-url
• 590[01:59:16] <missmbob> !multiarch howto
• 591[01:59:16] <dpkg> i guess multiarch howto is replaced-url
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• 593[01:59:39] <Guest67285> TomG2: see agian replaced-url
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• 598[02:00:41] <TomG2> okay try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64 libc-bin libc6-dbg libc6-i386
• 599[02:00:43] <TomG2> please
• 600[02:00:45] <woh3> camh: I am not sure how to use all those, do I have to download them all one by one and dpkg -i? I thought there would be an apt command I could use
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• 602[02:01:39] <dowwie> I've had no luck using creating a debian 9 installation usb using unetbootin from ubuntu. I install the iso and try to boot to usb but my system isn't recognizing it. Has anyone else reported issues wrt ubuntu-unetbootin and stretch?
• 603[02:01:39] <Guest67285> TomG2: i get same unmet dependencies on auto remvoe
• 604[02:02:02] <TomG2> can you show me the paste?
• 605[02:02:07] <missmbob> !unetbootin
• 606[02:02:07] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 607[02:02:12] <missmbob> dowwie: ^^
• 608[02:02:43] <dowwie> I've used unetbootin for many installations
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• 611[02:02:51] <missmbob> doesnt matter
• 612[02:02:51] <Guest67285> TomG2: on autoremove replaced-url
• 613[02:02:52] <dowwie> but I haven't used it for stretch
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• 616[02:03:17] <dowwie> ah, I read that blurb. got it
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• 618[02:03:23] <TomG2> Guest67285, why are you using autoremove? can you do the --reinstall install command?
• 619[02:03:27] <dowwie> ok, so , alternative
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• 621[02:03:48] <missmbob> cp foo.iso /dev/sdX
• 622[02:04:18] <Guest67285> TomG2: here is output of reinstall replaced-url
• 623[02:04:28] <dowwie> how are people installing debian when using usb
• 624[02:04:38] <TomG2> okay well it looks like we have made some progress, Guest67285 :)
• 625[02:04:52] <missmbob> dowwie: use installer iso, *not* live
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• 627[02:05:21] <Guest67285> TomG2: :( hardly see, no knowledge? what to do now
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• 632[02:05:58] <TomG2> Guest67285, please try apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6:i386 libc6:amd64 libc-bin libc6-dbg libc6-i386 libreoffice-java-common libstdc++6 python3 python3.5 libpython3.5
• 633[02:06:35] <Guest67285> TomG2: unmet dep
• 634[02:06:35] <dowwie> missmbob: :(
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• 638[02:06:49] <TomG2> Guest67285, please show me the paste. we are getting closer
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• 641[02:07:13] <Guest67285> TomG2: here it is
• 642[02:07:16] <Guest67285> replaced-url
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• 644[02:07:26] <dowwie> missmbob: I dont know what you mean
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• 646[02:07:53] <TomG2> Guest67285, okay wait a few minutes
• 647[02:08:40] <Guest67285> TomG2: k
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• 650[02:13:19] <Guest67285> TomG2: my release is tough 9
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• 850[02:15:12] <Guest83263> TomG2: r u there
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• 854[02:15:14] <TomG2> Guest62970, just a minute more
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• 892[02:15:16] <Guest83263> TomG2: k buddy waiting for your call
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• 945[02:15:17] <TomG2> Guest62970, can i talk to you in /msg to help solve this? it might fill up the channel too much
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• 1028[02:15:20] -debhelper- Channel locked temporarily due to flood, sorry for any inconvenience this may cause :-)
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• 1145[02:16:28] <Guest83263> Guest58822: where u gone
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• 1153[02:16:53] <nils_> some network trouble it seems.
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• 1222[02:17:04] <TomG2> it's a join/part flood, nils_
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• 1228[02:17:12] <TomG2> we're under minor attack :P
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• 1236[02:17:16] <nauticalnexus> :O
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• 1245[02:17:27] <nils_> fun.
• 1246[02:17:28] <nauticalnexus> WHAT IS HAPPENING
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• 1252[02:17:41] <nauticalnexus> I am scared and confused
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• 1254[02:17:44] <TomG2> it's an attack, just ignore it
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• 1265[02:17:57] <TomG2> back to Linux support
• 1266[02:17:58] <nauticalnexus> okidoki that´s all I needed to know
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• 1269[02:18:01] <nils_> get to the bunkers!
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• 1284[02:19:05] <Guest83263> TomG2: u theere
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• 1299[02:19:22] <TomG2> hi Guest83263 I am here, and I am trying to talk to Guest62970.... are you he?
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• 1361[02:22:30] <TomG2> ping
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• 1368[02:22:51] <Guest83263> TomG2: i get this sudo dpkg-reconfigure libc6:amd64 /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libc6:amd64 is broken or not fully installed
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• 1372[02:23:19] <TomG2> hi Guest83263. can you paste the whole error message?
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• 1412[02:25:32] <TomG2> amd, can you paste the whole error message, including the command?
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• 1431[02:31:09] <HappMacDonald> Hello, I am having trouble diagnosing a delivery problem on our Exim server that appears to have started immediately after upgrading to exim4-daemon-heavy 4.89-2+deb9u1. Our local maildir delivery process keeps deferring email and claiming to have no write permission into the Maildir/tmp directory despite clearly having said permission. I've posted a relevant snippet from the dump file here: replaced-url
• 1432[02:31:09] <stranger0009> TomG2: its me one with dependencies error
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• 1434[02:31:26] <stranger0009> TomG2: u told me to wait
• 1435[02:31:27] <TomG2> hi stranger0009
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• 1437[02:31:34] <TomG2> yes, and the waiting is done now
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• 1439[02:31:51] <stranger0009> TomG2: what should i do now
• 1440[02:31:51] <HappMacDonald> By dump file I mean exim -dM output.
• 1441[02:32:03] <TomG2> do you mind deinstalling gedit-plus and libreoffice if it'll help you upgrade?
• 1442[02:32:29] <stranger0009> reisntlaiing or removing
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• 1446[02:32:57] <HappMacDonald> I have tried googling many variants of the error including
• 1447[02:33:08] <TomG2> stranger0009, well I can help I think
• 1448[02:33:13] <TomG2> can i talk to you in /msg?
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• 1451[02:33:35] <stranger0009> yes
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• 1453[02:33:40] <HappMacDonald> "maildir_delivery transport returned DEFER for" and "transport returned DEFER" but can't get any results that aren't either too general, or too specific to something not related to our setup like CentOS or Dovecot.
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• 1456[02:34:41] <HappMacDonald> I would appreciate any assistance figuring out how to debug the transport step a little further, because it seems to be spawning a child process that returns with an error but that child's activity doesn't make it into this debug log. :o
• 1457[02:34:45] <nils_> HappMacDonald, I think there is a way to get exim to deliver just a particular message, I believe it was exim4 -Rff [message-id], I would strace that in your case
• 1458[02:34:47] <n_blownapart> hi 2 packages gnome and gnome-core were removed with iceweasel on my jessie 8 32bit os. I realize they are metafiles or something. should I worry about that or do some sort of patch?
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• 1498[02:48:21] <Violinist1> god damit
• 1499[02:48:29] <Violinist1> this is fkn lame
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• 1508[02:54:03] <ays> I am looking for packages which include 3d human anatomical models. Can someone help me?
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• 1516[02:57:21] <n_blownapart> hi 2 packages gnome and gnome-core were removed with iceweasel on my jessie 8 32bit os. I realize they are metafiles or something. should I worry about that or do some sort of patch?
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• 1537[03:12:01] <HappMacDonald> nils_ okay I have tried that now but the debug output is identical to my exim -dM <message id> output
• 1538[03:12:33] <HappMacDonald> nils_ Oh wait, strace. Okay I shall try that too.
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• 1543[03:14:32] <MassEffectAndroi> anyone here ?
• 1544[03:15:12] <MassEffectAndroi> is it me or something going on with freenode IRC servers ?
• 1545[03:15:19] <TomG2> hi!
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• 1547[03:15:22] <w0b> am here. hello
• 1548[03:15:32] <w0b> welcome to this here channel
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• 1557[03:20:55] <likcoras> What's the advantage of getting eg. firefox addons through the debian packages rather than the firefox addons site?
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• 1560[03:21:34] <HappMacDonald> nils_: okay I got an strace out of it as well, but I can't see any strace data that hints at any activity aside from printing out the debug information to begin with: replaced-url
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• 1570[03:25:56] <nils_> HappMacDonald, can you use -ff on strace?
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• 1574[03:28:42] <TomG2> i think we and Guest67xxx solvedl his libc6 problem
• 1575[03:28:44] <TomG2> it took a while :)
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• 1577[03:29:57] <themill> likcoras: the versions on the addons site aren't always compatible with the firefox in the repo. For multi-user machines, you can also install and configure for everyone.
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• 1579[03:30:14] <likcoras> Ah, alright.
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• 1581[03:31:36] <HappMacDonald> ok nils_ it looks like that's giving us some data finally: replaced-url
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• 1585[03:32:59] <HappMacDonald> nils_: When I try to su - to this user and do the same I also get permission denied.. but it already belongs to that user so the chown is superfluous. And it's mounted on a forceuid/forcegid volume so it's impossible. :P
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• 1595[03:37:08] <HappMacDonald> Googling "exim chown" doesn't get me anything in my neighborhood. Is it possible to ask exim *not* to try to chown a file that it creates? This hasn't been a problem before today's upgrade (prompted by the stack clash announcement) and I don't think I can make the volume allow chowns because it's ntfs.
• 1596[03:37:21] <HappMacDonald> no wait, cifs.
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• 1607[03:41:18] <nils_> HappMacDonald, it may be related to systemd as well
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• 1614[03:48:32] <HappMacDonald> nils_: Yeah, I think I'm just going to downgrade. Getting a security patch designed to prevent escalation on a machine that does only mail won't help us much if it can't do any mail at all after the upgrade. :/
• 1615[03:50:13] <nils_> HappMacDonald, sounds like an odd setup.
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• 1617[03:50:49] <nils_> HappMacDonald, I'm sure you have your reasons though, I switched to a delivery agent some time ago (dovecot-lda) since I also do sieve.
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• 1620[03:51:35] <nils_> HappMacDonald, depending on your setup it may be worth considering
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• 1624[03:54:40] <HappMacDonald> I don't think the setup is all that odd, it's an exim MTA and the email volume got too large for the machine to handle so we farmed that out to a CIFS volume on the NAS some years back.
• 1625[03:55:15] <HappMacDonald> nils_: What I find odd is the process thinking that it needs to chown a file it just finished writing, and that it already owns. :/
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• 1639[04:00:52] <simbalion> Is there a way to emulate a CD drive in Stretch? I looked into CDEmu but it looks unstable and there doesn't seem to be a clear package for it
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• 1647[04:04:46] <nils_> HappMacDonald, yes that does seem weird.
• 1648[04:05:21] <nils_> HappMacDonald, it may be that after writing the file the process assumes it should change the ownership of the file to someone else.
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• 1653[04:07:21] <nils_> simbalion, what are you trying to achieve?
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• 1656[04:08:41] <simbalion> nils_: I'm trying to get an old game working under wine, but I don't know where the original CDs are and it doesn't want to install from a mounted ISO. someone in #winehq suggested I need to use a real cd rom emulator because mounting an ISO doesn't achieve the same thing?
• 1657[04:08:44] <toruvinn> hm what is the recommended way of getting unison-2.40 on stretch? the problem is, i need to sync with wheezy/jessie and unison-all doesn't seem to have any other version than the default 2.48 one.
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• 1662[04:09:51] <simbalion> I could burn some CDs from the images but I don't have any blank CDs laying around, just blu-rays heh.. I'd rather not purchase blank CDs just to play some old video game
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• 1666[04:11:19] <nils_> simbalion, I hear ya... no idea though
• 1667[04:11:39] <nils_> simbalion, I would probably use a VM
• 1668[04:12:17] <simbalion> nils_: that'd totally work, however I've got a Win7 VM and it runs kinda slow, I haven't actually tried it to play this game yet but I fear it wouldn't perform as well as running it in Wine. But I might try it anyway.. it'd probably be the easiest solution
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• 1673[04:13:29] <tw> toruvinn: FYI, if it's built with a different version of ocaml, it will likely break.
• 1674[04:13:46] <tw> unison is not a nice protocol for backwards compatibility.
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• 1676[04:14:57] <nils_> simbalion, run it in a VM in wine then ;)
• 1677[04:15:15] <simbalion> nils_: I don't know what you mean
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• 1679[04:17:11] <toruvinn> tw, hmm... ocaml? but... isn't unison purely in C/C++?
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• 1682[04:17:50] <toruvinn> oh. it's not!
• 1683[04:17:51] <toruvinn> i had o idea :-)
• 1684[04:17:53] <toruvinn> implemented-in::ocaml
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• 1686[04:20:29] <iLogic> hey guys, i was trying to compile python 3.6.1 in debian 8 and getting an error while attempting to make -j8 (following a tutorial) but it compiled fine without the -j8 option.. I was curious was is it for?
• 1687[04:21:06] <toruvinn> tw, eh, just copied the binary from wheezy. *ahem* works.
• 1688[04:21:56] <tw> iLogic: multiprocess make. -j<parallel process count>
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• 1690[04:22:02] <toruvinn> iLogic, -j is for simultaneously running n (8 in your case) jobs. sometimes if your Makefiles are broken and don't specify dependencies right, one job tries to use result from a job that did not execute yet. or things like this.
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• 1697[04:22:55] <iLogic> thanks tw and toruvinn .. makes sense!
• 1698[04:22:57] <tw> toruvinn: Nice. I doubt it will work in my case; the left system is fbsd11 and the right is stretch.
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• 1714[04:27:35] <themill> dpkg: tell Captain_Beezay about bat
• 1715[04:28:39] <toruvinn> tw, yeah might be a problem there. ;-) though there was a debian distro with bsd kernel, wasn't there... ;->
• 1716[04:30:14] <tw> There's some linux abi base stuff I can install on freebsd maybe, but I'm just rewriting my scripts for rsync.
• 1717[04:30:26] <tw> In the end, it'll be more reliable.
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• 1719[04:33:15] <nils_> toruvinn, yes, but it's not being actively maintained
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• 1725[04:33:51] <nils_> toruvinn, replaced-url
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• 1744[04:43:48] <GTAXL> -su: /usr/bin/nano: No such file or directory
• 1745[04:43:54] <GTAXL> nano:
• 1746[04:43:54] <GTAXL> Installed: 2.7.4-1
• 1747[04:43:54] <GTAXL> Candidate: 2.7.4-1
• 1748[04:44:00] <GTAXL> ?
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• 1750[04:45:17] <themill> did you only just install it?
• 1751[04:45:23] <GTAXL> no
• 1752[04:45:27] <GTAXL> doing the stretch upgrade
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• 1755[04:45:40] <themill> nano should be in /bin/nano
• 1756[04:45:54] <GTAXL> root@coke:~# which nano
• 1757[04:45:58] <themill> try "hash -r"
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• 1759[04:46:10] <GTAXL> that fixed it
• 1760[04:46:17] <GTAXL> odd
• 1761[04:46:18] <themill> the /usr/bin/nano symlink was removed
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• 1782[05:06:37] <dvs> Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo!!
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• 1785[05:07:34] <TomG2> hah! :) no worries you can have it back
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• 1796[05:13:04] <winsen> Hi all
• 1797[05:13:05] <winsen> does anyone know why I can't see ip adresse of email sender on source code of THB email client? thanks
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• 1821[05:38:43] <maher> echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/dmesg_restrict <-- this lets non root users use dmesg, but what to I put in /etc/sysctl.conf to make this happen on boot/
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• 1844[05:54:37] <nils_> maher, kernel.dmesg_restrict=0
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• 1850[05:57:33] <maher> nils_: thanks!
• 1851[05:58:08] <nils_> maher, just try it out first with sysctl -w
• 1852[05:58:21] <kevr> replaced-url
• 1853[05:58:23] <kevr> sup with this?
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• 1855[05:58:35] <nils_> is it SFW?
• 1856[05:59:14] <nils_> huh, that's interesting
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• 1865[06:06:23] <nils_> kevr, did debian not go with the odd renaming trend?
• 1866[06:06:29] <nils_> kevr, can you strace that process for me?
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• 1898[06:30:05] <ozzloy_> nils_, what odd renaming trend?
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• 1907[06:38:44] <somiaj> nils_: debian stretch does support systemd new predictiable interface naming. But not all interfaces need to be named using it. This will be used by default on a fresh stretch install, but upgrading from jessie will not change the interface names. additionally you can configure systemd to not use the predicitable names, and use the old standard naming for intfaces.
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• 1914[06:40:52] <somiaj> kevr: what version of debian are you running. version 6.7 for dhcpcd doesn't not appear to be in any debian version.
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• 1916[06:41:16] <somiaj> ,v dhcpcd5
• 1917[06:41:17] <judd> Package: dhcpcd5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.6-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.6-1+deb7u2; jessie: 6.0.5-2; stretch: 6.10.1-1; sid: 6.10.1-1; buster: 6.10.1-1
• 1918[06:41:26] <somiaj> I would expect to seee version 6.0.5 or version 6.10
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• 1926[06:44:05] <jellycode> Debian 9 installer freezes on Hyper V. I am unable to find a way to download debian 8. Is there a place I can download a debian 8 ISO that is less than a gig?
• 1927[06:44:15] <jellycode> Preferably a live ISO
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• 1930[06:44:57] <somiaj> jellycode: are you using the live cd as your 'installer'?
• 1931[06:45:08] <somiaj> I would suggest using the offical debian installers. You can get this from debian.org for debian 8.8 or 9.0
• 1932[06:45:28] <jellycode> I was unable to find any place to download 8.8
• 1933[06:45:43] <jellycode> If you can find a link, would be great
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• 1935[06:46:31] <somiaj> hmm, I'm surprised they were taken off the offical cdimage.debian.org mirrors, let me look around a bit more.
• 1936[06:46:50] <jellycode> all i want to do is boot into debian and do some test compilations... the lighter the ISO the better
• 1937[06:47:06] <jellycode> I don't need a UI, i just need the core tools
• 1938[06:47:14] <themill> !install jessie
• 1939[06:47:14] <dpkg> There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See replaced-url
• 1940[06:47:19] <themill> bah
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• 1942[06:47:27] <nils_> jellycode, try a docker instance?
• 1943[06:47:29] <jellycode> I know, it's wild, they used to keep all the versions
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• 1945[06:47:45] <somiaj> The net install is good, though without installing debian you only get a very minimial enviroment during the install, but the net install can install a minimal debian enviroment without the network.
• 1946[06:47:57] <jellycode> i do need the network, to copy files over
• 1947[06:48:09] <themill> replaced-url
• 1948[06:48:11] <jellycode> docker would also be acceptable, but i'm not super comfortable with it.
• 1949[06:48:27] <nils_> how do you feel about debootstrap?
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• 1951[06:48:56] <somiaj> jellycode: I would just grab the netinstall from the link themill pasted.
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• 1953[06:49:04] <jellycode> thank you kindly
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• 1955[06:49:17] <jellycode> she's downloadin
• 1956[06:49:35] <jellycode> i would very much like to know how to do my task with docker
• 1957[06:49:46] <somiaj> themill: seems strange they would hide that and not make oldstable available on the webpage. You know of any reason why they do this (guess I could go search through mailing lists)
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• 1959[06:50:10] <nils_> jellycode, repeatable?
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• 1961[06:50:34] <jellycode> yes
• 1962[06:50:59] <nils_> jellycode, well then you would write a dockerfile, it's not hard to do, a shell script with metadata
• 1963[06:51:15] <somiaj> themill: oh nevermind, I found the link -- just wasn't obvious to me at first on the webpage.
• 1964[06:51:18] <themill> somiaj: for anything other than stable, you go via "releases"
• 1965[06:51:20] <jellycode> maybe i should rewatch the docker videos
• 1966[06:51:48] <nils_> a lot of it sounds overwhelming but the basics are old school linux
• 1967[06:52:09] <somiaj> themill: yea, I got there, I just didn't understand "To obtain and install Debian, see the installation information page..", because of the been superseded by Debian 9.0, I wrongly intrurpited that as installing debian 9 (not 8.8)
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• 1969[06:52:30] <jellycode> can i start with docker pull debian, then start it up, connect, etc
• 1970[06:53:01] <nils_> jellycode, yes, I believe so
• 1971[06:53:05] <somiaj> jellycode: are you wanting to just test a debian userland, or do you want the full kernel/hardware aspect to? Do you already have a running linux distro?
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• 1974[06:54:09] <jellycode> I'm on windows 10, using docker for windows. i have some C++ code i need to compile on debian, and try to build a .deb pacakge
• 1975[06:54:28] <nils_> you lost me at windows 10
• 1976[06:54:33] <somiaj> jellycode: docker maybe more than you need. A simple chroot can be great for lots of testing, but chroot containers have known security issues so more complicated containers like docker is needed for production.
• 1977[06:55:14] <somiaj> jellycode: ahh, if not running a linux kernel, chroots won't be an option. Unsure about how to deal with docker images from windows. Though debian runs just fine in virtualbox vm. I belive you can get minimial vm images so you don't have to install one.
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• 1979[06:56:26] <jellycode> docker for windows autoamtically instantiates a MobyLinux VM and when you invoke docker it "proxys" it there
• 1980[06:56:34] <somiaj> but using deboostrap to build chroots to compile stuff works great with debian. You can even do this from other linux distros (many provide the debootstrap script for this)
• 1981[06:57:08] <somiaj> ##windows may have some useful tips at what may be the best windows tool to achive what you are doing. I have no suggestions as I don't use windows.
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• 1984[06:57:55] <somiaj> jellycode: but afiak if you have docker isntalled, there are premade jessie (and I would imagne stretch images -- if they aren't ready they will be soon) you should be able to use.
• 1985[06:58:03] <jellycode> you've been very helpful, thanks very much
• 1986[06:58:23] <nils_> yes they should be available on dockerhub at least
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• 1990[06:59:11] <jellycode> yeah i've pulled debian and now just have to remember how to interact with it
• 1991[06:59:32] <jellycode> i'm also pursuing the full vm avenue just in case i get annoyed
• 1992[06:59:32] <nils_> gently is my suggestion
• 1993[06:59:39] <jellycode> lol
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• 1998[07:01:43] <lordlod_> Hi, I feel like a bit of a gumby but I can't get debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso to boot off a usb stick on my EFI laptop. Is this a known issue?
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• 2003[07:03:07] <FBI_Anon> should /etc/apt/sources.list have http or https currently? im getting an issue connecting to the security repo (only that one) ### Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80
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• 2007[07:05:24] <jelly> lordlod_, how dod you write it to that usb stick? unetbootin, rufus and similar tools can be problematic
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• 2009[07:05:59] <lordlod_> jelly: sudo dd if=debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4MB, also tried using cp
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• 2012[07:06:24] <jelly> that seems fine (cp is maybe more safe)
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• 2016[07:06:50] <lordlod_> I can mount it fine on this PC, on the laptop it doesn't boot. The bios doesn't supply any diagnostics as to why (that I can find)
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• 2019[07:07:18] <jelly> does it detect and offer as a boot option with uefi enabled?
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• 2023[07:09:12] <lordlod_> I have to pull up the boot menu, it has a USB HDD option which worked previously for a korora iso, same stick.
• 2024[07:10:01] <lordlod_> I'm flying a bit blind here, my first uefi system (lenovo x1) and my other uefi interactions have been brief
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• 2032[07:14:45] <lordlod_> jelly: thanks, prompted me to get it. Had to disable secure boot.
• 2033[07:15:09] <lordlod_> Korora must use the fedora piggyback system
• 2034[07:15:53] <jelly> right, debian 9 images do not support secure boot (yet)
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• 2037[07:17:40] <lordlod_> it might be worth mentioning it in the install instructions, I don't recall seeing it explicitly stated and the bios response made me feel that the install media was at fault
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• 2042[07:19:24] <somiaj> lordlod_: replaced-url
• 2043[07:19:43] <somiaj> scroll down to 3.6.3 systems with uefi firmware.
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• 2060[07:23:44] <lordlod_> somiaj: right, a full paragraph, just needed to RTFM
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• 2072[07:27:21] <anao2> Hi@All does anyone knows why grubinstall /dev/sda fails on UEFI Laptops?
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• 2079[07:29:12] <somiaj> anao2: uefi installs to an efi partition, not the master boot record on mbr partition tables.
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• 2081[07:29:57] <anao2> @somiaj thanks will checkout this on test systems! have a nice day!
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• 2083[07:30:11] <allan_wind> Release Notes for Stretch are awesome, just saying
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• 2087[07:31:20] <somiaj> anao2: hmm, might be some issue with not having the efi partition correclty mounted, replaced-url
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• 2090[07:31:42] <somiaj> anao2: that there suggests pointing it at /dev/sda is correct, either there is no efi partiiton on /dev/sda or the efi partition is not correclty mounted.
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• 2115[07:42:23] <wxie> updated to Debian Gnu/Linux 9, gnome3.22 missing gnome-shell.css
• 2116[07:42:51] <wxie> anyone has similar problem?
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• 2118[07:43:35] <somiaj> ,v gnome
• 2119[07:43:36] <judd> Package: gnome on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; buster: 1:3.22+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; sid: 1:3.22+3
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• 2121[07:43:52] <zdsjqzrlbo> breh
• 2122[07:44:04] <somiaj> wxie: could be some artifact in your users old gnome config. Maybe try to run gnome as a fresh user (also double check you are fully upgraded)
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• 2124[07:45:03] <wxie> somiaj: thanks for advice
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• 2199[08:26:59] <zdsjqzrlbo> why is debian so good
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• 2223[08:46:07] * bilbo-android i have updated my jessien encrypted laptop yesterday with the security updates and now it refuse tonboot even in rescue mode help :/
• 2224[08:46:16] <Shadur> Is there something wrong with security.debian.org? apt-get update is hanging on retrieving its package lists.
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• 2226[08:47:08] <wxie> somiaj: problem not reproduced
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• 2229[08:47:39] <Ingram> I'm having the same issue as Shadur
• 2230[08:48:18] <Shadur> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 2232[08:48:26] <Shadur> Aaaaand there's the timeout.
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• 2241[08:53:44] <themill> Shadur: Europe woke up and is hammering it
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• 2244[08:54:32] <jelly> lies, we woke up two hours back
• 2245[08:54:37] <jelly> too much sun
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• 2247[08:55:17] <Shadur> And too bloody hot.
• 2248[08:55:42] <Shadur> ...
• 2249[08:55:44] <Shadur> Err replaced-url
• 2250[08:55:45] <Butt3rfly> never too much sun :D
• 2251[08:55:46] <Shadur> SSL: certificate subject name (replaced-url
• 2252[08:56:12] <themill> security.d.o doesn't offer https, does it?
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• 2254[08:56:21] <jelly> it doesn't.
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• 2256[08:56:46] <themill> (DSA have just remapped it to a CDN)
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• 2260[08:57:20] <sphalerite> is sources.debian.net currently broken?
• 2261[08:57:22] <jelly> cdn is better than dns round robin?
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• 2273[09:00:50] <themill> jelly: yes; guaranteed consistency
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• 2279[09:03:54] <tuxcraft1r> when installing a package there is sometimes a dialog that ask to overwrite the config file,
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• 2281[09:04:13] <tuxcraft1r> ,i tried dpkg-reconfigure package
• 2282[09:04:14] <judd> No package named 'tried' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2283[09:04:51] <jelly> themill, did they do something as silly as not lowering TTL beforehand?
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• 2295[09:06:52] <jelly> no, update worked and just -d upgrade didn't, that's not a dns issue
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• 2314[09:09:33] <vadimkolchev> Hi all
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• 2325[09:12:07] <jomofcw> Hello !
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• 2329[09:12:26] <jomofcw> How can I get "easily" the list of the 100 latest modified files in a directory, please ?
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• 2332[09:12:45] <jomofcw> Displaying the date/time of last modification.
• 2333[09:13:11] <lovelybac0n> in a terminal?
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• 2340[09:14:55] <jomofcw> lovelybac0n yup, through SSH.
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• 2343[09:15:08] <lovelybac0n> ls -lat
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• 2346[09:15:26] <celyr> or just look for the -sort switch
• 2347[09:15:40] <pragomer> nodm always logs in root. how can I change this to my normal user?
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• 2350[09:16:03] <celyr> if you want 100 rows use ls -lat | head -n 100
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• 2365[09:20:06] <jomofcw> celyr lovelybac0n thanks. how to make it recursive ?
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• 2372[09:21:29] <celyr> you want to list the 100 files modified recursively or for each dir 100 files ?
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• 2375[09:22:24] <jomofcw> celyr the 100 files modified recursively, please.
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• 2377[09:22:51] <lovelybac0n> First "man ls" then search recursive with /recursive, to show next search item press n
• 2378[09:23:06] <celyr> Or you can use find
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• 2380[09:23:36] <lovelybac0n> man pages are confusing at first but you'll love them when you get the hang of it.
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• 2386[09:24:50] <jomofcw> lovelybac0n hehe you're right ;).
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• 2392[09:27:37] <untitled> is there a way to update tomcat8 without touching ANY config file?
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• 2394[09:28:04] <untitled> last time I said "no" to the replace-configs question and it still ruined my setup =\
• 2395[09:28:57] <jomofcw> lovelybac0n it's OK for recursive (ls -latR | head -n 100) but it seems to give me the 100 for each subdirectory and i can't get the next items, it stop I don't know why :s...
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• 2401[09:31:28] <celyr> find . -printf "%T %p" | sort -n
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• 2403[09:31:42] <celyr> | head -n 100
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• 2405[09:31:57] <celyr> meh
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• 2407[09:32:15] <celyr> find . -printf "%T@ %p" | sort -n | head -n 100
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• 2415[09:34:25] <lovelybac0n> that made my terminal go wild
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• 2418[09:35:44] <lovelybac0n> jomofcw, no idea. I'm not good with sed, awk or regex but it seems like that's what you need.
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• 2422[09:37:21] <jomofcw> celyr and lovelybac0n : thanks =).
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• 2426[09:38:18] <lovelybac0n> no worries, you figured it ouT?
• 2427[09:38:25] <lovelybac0n> *out
• 2428[09:38:50] <jomofcw> lovelybac0n I'll try some stuff to get what I really need.
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• 2433[09:39:13] <celyr> jomofcw, because I forgot \n
• 2434[09:39:46] <lovelybac0n> celyr, what's the full command then?
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• 2441[09:44:19] <erchache2000> any network guy in the room? I have a question about iperf3…
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• 2443[09:45:43] <jolt> dpkg: ask
• 2444[09:45:43] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2446[09:47:06] <jomofcw> celyr yup seen xD...
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• 2449[09:48:03] <celyr> find . -printf "%T@ %p\n" | sort -n | head -n 100
• 2450[09:48:50] <lovelybac0n> Ahh, I see.
• 2451[09:49:08] <lovelybac0n> makes sense
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• 2454[09:49:36] <jomofcw> celyr I've corrected my self :P but thanks !
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• 2465[09:54:24] <z8z> Where i can find instruction on how to upgrade to debian 9 from debian 8?
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• 2468[09:55:00] <vlt> z8z: In the release notes. replaced-url
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• 2471[09:55:40] <cef> !tell z8z jessie->stretch
• 2472[09:55:44] <TomG2> dpkg, tell z8z about stretch install guide
• 2473[09:56:06] <lovelybac0n> !topic
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• 2475[09:56:11] <lovelybac0n> hmm
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• 2477[09:56:35] <cef> ahh, forgot about. :/
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• 2481[09:57:23] <corner_cubicle> !dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 2483[09:57:23] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 2499[10:04:50] <shamoanjac> quick n00b question: why isn't uxterm in the official Debian repos, and why does `apt-cache search uxterm` yield "xterm - X terminal emulator"
• 2500[10:04:53] <shamoanjac> ?
• 2501[10:05:09] <TomG2> uxterm would be part of the xterm package
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• 2505[10:05:39] <shamoanjac> That's right, thanks!
• 2506[10:05:44] <TomG2> great
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• 2508[10:05:53] <shamoanjac> I didn't try to just launch uxterm and assumed it just wasn't installed
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• 2511[10:06:19] <luna_> Hello, anyone know where i can find an iso for oldstable Debian 8.8? we have a system at work that likes 1 version older of Debian
• 2512[10:06:27] <shamoanjac> also why does uxterm have an "unreadable" option for font size?
• 2513[10:06:37] <shamoanjac> gigantic screens?
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• 2523[10:09:50] <z8z> vlt: thanks... but seems really long because is safe procedure for production environment :|
• 2524[10:10:38] <z8z> vlt: i already have all my data backup.... just change repos and upgrade should do it?
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• 2532[10:11:39] <luna_> nevermind found out now my coworker already had uploaded it too the fileserver at work :)
• 2533[10:11:42] <oerheks> luna lots of ftp servers, replaced-url
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• 2535[10:13:06] <lovelybac0n> z8z, As I understand it get rid of all repos that's not debians and remove programs that are compiled or gitted. Make the system mostly debian pure. Then upgrade.
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• 2539[10:14:54] <z8z> lovelybac0n: Yes but i have only free debian repos packages so my case i even easier..... then i follow this one replaced-url
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• 2542[10:15:08] <wowas> Hello!
• 2543[10:15:22] <wowas> i am using Xen 4.4 and Debian 8, and if i try to boot my Dom0 it resets after loading initrd.
• 2544[10:15:27] <wowas> any ideas on this?
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• 2546[10:16:16] <z8z> lovelybac0n: also if some problem happen i just make a clean install and move data IN
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• 2549[10:16:32] <onee-chan> hello
• 2550[10:17:07] <lovelybac0n> z8z, Looks good. As long as you have backups.
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• 2553[10:18:56] <onee-chan> Have they finished repopulating new testing with packages or are more to come soon? Is it safe to upgrade?
• 2554[10:19:21] <z8z> lovelybac0n: yes of course... also is not a production server or something so i really don't care if i have to do a fresh install as long as i have my data
• 2555[10:19:36] <z8z> lovelybac0n: thanks for the extra tips anyway
• 2556[10:20:07] <lovelybac0n> I'm on testing usually but I'm staying on stretch for a couple of weeks to avoid any hazzle.
• 2557[10:20:15] <lovelybac0n> z8z, no worries :)
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• 2591[10:29:55] <mk> how can i install debian live image example mate 64 bit version in usb drive, i can boot debian live image but cant installed it , it comes error not cd drive found
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• 2601[10:36:16] <onee-chan> There's only 328 packages to upgrade to new testing for me at the moment, so I am wondering if that is all?
• 2602[10:36:45] <OS-29827> #join offsec
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• 2614[10:45:58] <onee-chan> Has anyone actually switched to Buster yet?
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• 2616[10:46:55] <themill> there should be little to switch to at this stage... all hell will break loose in a few days
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• 2619[10:47:37] <dionysus69> how do I play wav file from terminal?
• 2620[10:47:44] <onee-chan> ok
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• 2625[10:50:45] <lovelybac0n> Will there be any difference between the buster and testing repos from now on?
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• 2628[10:51:26] <JuniusBrutus> themill, why a few days?
• 2629[10:51:29] <themill> there has never been a difference between buster and testing
• 2630[10:51:53] <themill> JuniusBrutus: because everyone will get back to uploading new packages and then they will migrate
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• 2641[10:54:56] <lovelybac0n> So what's after buster?
• 2642[10:55:09] <themill> bullseye
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• 2644[10:55:22] <lovelybac0n> nice :)
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• 2659[11:01:07] <shamoanjac> wait
• 2660[11:01:18] <oish> dionysus69: play something.wav
• 2661[11:01:21] <shamoanjac> so the next Debian release is going to be called "Buster"?
• 2662[11:01:31] <dionysus69> thanks oish
• 2663[11:01:33] <shamoanjac> holy crap
• 2664[11:01:42] <shamoanjac> Debian GTA: SA
• 2665[11:01:52] <dionysus69> oish: nope, the command is not found
• 2666[11:01:56] <themill> !buster
• 2667[11:01:57] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
• 2668[11:02:02] <oish> dionysus69: you need to install sox
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• 2670[11:02:11] <dionysus69> oish: ok will do
• 2671[11:02:19] <shamoanjac> can't you `aaplay` a wav file, dionysus69 ?
• 2672[11:02:19] <lovelybac0n> Debian names are toy story characters
• 2673[11:02:21] <joze> what comes after toy story character names?
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• 2675[11:02:45] <shamoanjac> really, lovelybac0n? The more you learn...
• 2676[11:02:57] <dionysus69> shamoanjac: nope thats also not recognized
• 2677[11:03:00] <dionysus69> oish that worked thanks
• 2678[11:03:17] <shamoanjac> ah, it's "aplay"
• 2679[11:03:20] <shamoanjac> not "aaplay"
• 2680[11:03:30] <oish> dionysus69: np
• 2681[11:03:33] <lovelybac0n> shamoanjac, really? It's know :)
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• 2683[11:03:53] <oish> dionysus69: or aplay like shamoanjac says
• 2684[11:03:57] <dionysus69> one more question, is there a utility for converting mp3 to wav?
• 2685[11:04:11] <shamoanjac> definitely
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• 2687[11:04:31] <dionysus69> oish: that also worked will remove sox then :P
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• 2689[11:04:46] <shamoanjac> maybe ffmpeg can?
• 2690[11:04:46] <lovelybac0n> dionysus69, no. mp3 is compressed sound while a wav file is not. There is no way to reverse the compression.
• 2691[11:04:58] <shamoanjac> lovelybac0n, you can change the format
• 2692[11:05:13] <dionysus69> I dont care about the quality loss, I just care about the format :P
• 2693[11:05:19] <shamoanjac> you can definitely go from mp3 to wav, although you won't get the original quality, true
• 2694[11:05:20] <oish> dionysus69: mpg123?
• 2695[11:05:40] <dionysus69> oish: whats that?
• 2696[11:05:42] <oish> mpg123 -w output.wav input.mp3
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• 2698[11:05:58] <dionysus69> oish: again thanks :D ill get that too
• 2699[11:06:13] <oish> (or mpg321, should be in apt)
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• 2701[11:06:31] <lovelybac0n> what's the point of changing the format with a quality loss?
• 2702[11:06:45] <oish> lovelybac0n: save disk space
• 2703[11:07:07] <shamoanjac> oish, going from mp3 to wav does the *exact opposite* of saving space
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• 2705[11:07:14] <dionysus69> I am playing with some utility to modify read and write wav files, I dont want to play with different formats as I am noob
• 2706[11:07:15] <lovelybac0n> oish, no, the file would be the same size since it's compressed as an mp3.
• 2707[11:07:31] <shamoanjac> the file would actually be bigger as a wav
• 2708[11:07:31] <oish> shamoanjac: oh, thought it was the /other/ way!
• 2709[11:07:42] <oish> i.e wav -> mp3
• 2710[11:07:46] <shamoanjac> well, oish, you thought _wrong_ :P
• 2711[11:07:56] <oish> *shame*
• 2712[11:07:56] <lovelybac0n> dionysus69, what utility?
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• 2714[11:08:24] <shamoanjac> but yeah, the purpose of converting mp3 to wav can be to feed it to some program that doesn't read compressed sound
• 2715[11:08:35] <vlt> dionysus69: For playing back nearly any media file from terminal I'd recommend mplayer. For format conversion you can use ffmpeg.
• 2716[11:08:35] <shamoanjac> for example, a custom program that distorts sound in some special way
• 2717[11:08:35] <lovelybac0n> oish, it's an unsual discussion so no shame :)
• 2718[11:08:46] <shamoanjac> .WAV is very easy to read, afaik
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• 2720[11:08:54] <oish> lovelybac0n: heh
• 2721[11:08:57] <shamoanjac> since it's just sample values
• 2722[11:09:03] <lovelybac0n> what program on this planet doesn't read mp3?
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• 2725[11:09:13] <oish> lovelybac0n: libreoffice
• 2726[11:09:16] <vlt> lovelybac0n: aplay
• 2727[11:09:19] <shamoanjac> lovelybac0n, your own program
• 2728[11:09:25] <dionysus69> lovelybac0n: its command line utility
• 2729[11:09:41] <dionysus69> :D
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• 2731[11:09:42] <shamoanjac> oish, let me doubt that affirmation about libreoffice not reading mp3 :P
• 2732[11:09:43] <lovelybac0n> not even with lame?
• 2733[11:09:52] <shamoanjac> can't you embed sound files in documents?
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• 2735[11:10:10] <lovelybac0n> I don't believe any of you.
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• 2737[11:10:32] <shamoanjac> lovelybac0n, SDL doesn't read mp3 files
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• 2741[11:10:55] <oish> shamoanjac: damn. I guess it does then!
• 2742[11:11:06] <shamoanjac> so, if you're writing a program with SDL, you have to feed it WAV for sound
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• 2744[11:11:27] <shamoanjac> (unless you use SDL_mixer, but you might not want to for some reason)
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• 2746[11:11:42] <lovelybac0n> Even with the patents opened recently for mp3 I am still sceptical at least.
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• 2752[11:14:13] <shamoanjac> I can think a lot of applications where you want to switch from mp3 to wav
• 2753[11:14:21] <shamoanjac> perhaps even more so than from wav to mp3
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• 2755[11:15:54] <lovelybac0n> But the whole idea is stupid. Wav to mp3 especially at cbr 320 is acceptable but to rename compressed mp3's to wav because a program doesn't accept anything but wav is just...
• 2756[11:15:56] <shamoanjac> for example, if you want to create a simple utility that superposes two sound tracks, it's much much simpler to do if you read WAV
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• 2758[11:16:18] <shamoanjac> the idea is stupid only if you merely want to *play* the file
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• 2764[11:18:23] <lovelybac0n> I guess if you just want to play the wav low level like and not bring in libraries. Then I can see it. Soundfonts and stuff like that. Still, sound quality loss for those utilities are bad.
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• 2777[11:25:55] <themill> onee-chan, JuniusBrutus: in fact in the next mirror pulse, 1500 source packages will suddenly appear in buster... all hell will break loose.
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• 2782[11:26:33] <shamoanjac> sometimes, you just can't find a .wav o a FLAC for a sound file, which is bad
• 2783[11:26:45] <shamoanjac> 320kbps mp3 is a very acceptable quality
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• 2787[11:28:11] <lovelybac0n> themill, this is my first debian release and I'm looking at going back to testing again. How brutal are these trasitions?
• 2788[11:28:56] <themill> don't go there
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• 2790[11:29:17] <dgriffi> why are the Debian 9 install CDs netinst only?
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• 2792[11:29:51] <celyr> maybe they figured out that people are using only netinst :P
• 2793[11:30:08] <celyr> but I think that there are the torrents for the "almost full" distribution
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• 2796[11:30:42] <jelly> dgriffi: isn't there an xfce cd-1
• 2797[11:31:23] <dgriffi> jelly: oh... so they could only fit one desktop into the CD this time round?
• 2798[11:31:25] <themill> and DVDs
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• 2800[11:31:33] <dgriffi> that's starting to make sense
• 2801[11:31:53] <jelly> dgriffi: a useful Gnome install cannot fit onto a 700MB CD
• 2802[11:31:54] <themill> there was no point in making all these other images... they only confused users and added hundreds of hours to the image making process
• 2803[11:31:56] <shamoanjac> fun fact: I recently started to use a non-netinst image
• 2804[11:32:20] <celyr> shamoanjac, why ?
• 2805[11:32:23] <shamoanjac> I just got a free writable DVD from my company and dumped a full image on it
• 2806[11:32:34] <celyr> I see very little reason to do so
• 2807[11:32:34] <dgriffi> for my installs, I prepare a writable bootable USB drive and drop a DVD image onto it.
• 2808[11:32:35] <shamoanjac> because of the live system
• 2809[11:32:47] <lovelybac0n> Thank god for the netinstall with firmware iso's
• 2810[11:33:04] <shamoanjac> unfortunately, netinst doesn't allow you to repair a system (afaik)
• 2811[11:33:13] <shamoanjac> (I might be wrong, please correct me if I am)
• 2812[11:33:24] <dgriffi> a few months ago, I got a 64 GB thumb drive as a freebie for buying something and I put a double-layer bluray image on it
• 2813[11:33:30] <dgriffi> that was interesting
• 2814[11:33:32] <celyr> I'm not repairing a system by
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• 2816[11:33:34] <celyr> ages
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• 2818[11:33:51] <shamoanjac> heh, that's because you don't have my superpower, celyr
• 2819[11:33:53] <lovelybac0n> Thats why I have an arch usb stick around.
• 2820[11:33:54] <celyr> anyway with netinst you can repair it I think
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• 2822[11:34:04] <shamoanjac> I can break stable installs by merely looking at them
• 2823[11:34:17] <shamoanjac> can Superman do that? I don't think so
• 2824[11:34:21] <celyr> shamoanjac, well, I don't think I have a non virtual debian install :P
• 2825[11:34:26] <shamoanjac> shamoanjac: 1, Superman: 0
• 2826[11:34:41] <shamoanjac> are your debians on VMs?
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• 2828[11:34:48] <lovelybac0n> superman runs LFS
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• 2830[11:34:58] <shamoanjac> lol
• 2831[11:35:05] <shamoanjac> SuperX
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• 2846[11:40:53] <jelly> !offtopic
• 2847[11:40:53] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2848[11:41:42] <MrDetonia> I'm preparing to upgrade from Jessie to Stable, and have a bunch of packages from backports installed - should I remove these/switch them to the Jessie versions before attempting an upgrade?
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• 2857[11:47:36] <MiguelFuller> how to check whether my mouse is correctly installed in debian
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• 2861[11:48:11] <remo> in stretch npm not available. lol
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• 2863[11:48:25] <lovelybac0n> MrDetonia, I would recommend it. I'm new to debian but not linux and know that anything that can mess up an install especially dependecies and programs asking for libs.
• 2864[11:48:58] <lovelybac0n> is a bad time
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• 2866[11:49:53] <MrDetonia> lovelybac0n, mmm, maybe so. The upgrade guide mentions unofficial backports causing problems but nothing about the official ones
• 2867[11:50:06] <MrDetonia> I've removed all third party repos and packages already
• 2868[11:51:10] <lovelybac0n> MrDetonia, and anything you have compiled or pulled from github. I have no experience in this but it sounds like a good move.
• 2869[11:51:40] <MiguelFuller> I'm using Debian 8.8 I want to know how to make sure my mouse is correctly installed and why it self disconfigure?! I play this game that I map mouse buttons to it and at first my side buttons work now they all seem as button3 middle one why?
• 2870[11:51:41] <MrDetonia> anything compiled can be rebuilt - not running anything crucial from source
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• 2875[11:52:20] <MiguelFuller> I need these buttons to win!
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• 2877[11:52:36] <lovelybac0n> MrDetonia, my thinking too.
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• 2883[11:56:09] <lovelybac0n> MiguelFuller, win what? And what is your issue?
• 2884[11:56:34] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: I want to fix my mouse buttons
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• 2886[11:57:03] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: debian demaps the buttons from my game unless my game is flawly with the mouse driver
• 2887[11:57:07] <lovelybac0n> I get that, but what are the exact problem?
• 2888[11:57:28] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: I know is debian cause I can't scroll in debian sometimes
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• 2890[11:57:39] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: and other times I can
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• 2892[11:57:44] <MrDetonia> MiguelFuller, what mouse do you have?
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• 2894[11:58:01] <lovelybac0n> You're not helping me here. What mouse and what configuration.
• 2895[11:58:08] <MiguelFuller> logitech mx410 optical
• 2896[11:58:11] <MiguelFuller> sorry mx310
• 2897[11:58:28] <onee-chan> hi MrDetonia
• 2898[11:58:42] <MrDetonia> oh hey onee-chan
• 2899[11:58:50] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: debian doesn't seem to have settings for this mouse only all mouses
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• 2901[11:59:04] <lovelybac0n> MiguelFuller, what DE?
• 2902[11:59:44] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: I forgot
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• 2904[12:00:15] <onee-chan> MrDetonia haven't seen you in a while, what have you been up to?
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• 2907[12:01:01] <MrDetonia> onee-chan, not much; work and looking for more work. Not been on freenode for ages :P
• 2908[12:01:09] <MrDetonia> MiguelFuller, is one button not working at all?
• 2909[12:01:23] <lovelybac0n> MiguelFuller, gnome, xfce, cinnamon ...
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• 2911[12:02:00] <MiguelFuller> lovelybac0n: I forgot
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• 2913[12:02:10] <MiguelFuller> MrDetonia: both side buttons and scroll
• 2914[12:02:12] <onee-chan> MrDetonia I am in ready position to upgrade to new testing, just waiting for the repos to be filled up.
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• 2918[12:02:57] <MrDetonia> MiguelFuller, this may be of some help regarding xorg config for that mouse replaced-url
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• 2920[12:03:21] <MrDetonia> onee-chan, my home pc that follows testing hasn't been upgraded in a while - terrified to do that one :s
• 2921[12:03:27] <MrDetonia> just upgrading one of my servers today
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• 2923[12:03:37] <MrDetonia> just old to new stable though
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• 2945[12:14:37] <MiguelFuller> can I use deb replaced-url
• 2946[12:14:46] <MiguelFuller> for the sources.list
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• 2948[12:14:50] <|DM|> Hello. Since debian 9 just came out, I assume there's no serious difference between testing and stable ?
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• 2951[12:15:27] <|DM|> I'm mainly asking because Im migrating to a new hardware setup, probably going to use ryzen and the x370 chipset, so I wanted to know if I'll find better hardware support in testing
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• 2954[12:15:49] <MrDetonia> |DM|, packages will be coming in from sid from now, so yes there will be large differences soon
• 2955[12:15:52] <lovelybac0n> |DM|, yes there is. Testing is not recommended for a while.
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• 2957[12:17:05] <celyr> Yeah things get very broken in testing in the next months
• 2958[12:17:09] <|DM|> sid's already diverged from stable a lot ? Ohhhh, the freeze on testing just ended...
• 2959[12:17:38] <celyr> that's the point
• 2960[12:17:43] <MrDetonia> sid never stops
• 2961[12:17:46] <celyr> now that the gate is open everything will come in
• 2962[12:17:48] <|DM|> So I either stick to stable or sid? Would sid be the better choice for hardware support ?
• 2963[12:18:12] <MrDetonia> sid would be the better choice for support, but not for things working
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• 2965[12:18:31] <celyr> I honestly suggest you to use stable and to eventually cherry pick the support for your hardware
• 2966[12:18:36] <celyr> if needed
• 2967[12:18:43] <celyr> and I doubt it will be needed
• 2968[12:18:45] <MrDetonia> I'd say stick with stable for a while, then migrate to testing or use backports. ^what celyr said basically
• 2969[12:19:13] <dgriffi> when will MATE be upgraded to 1.18.x?
• 2970[12:19:15] <|DM|> Yeah I've used backports for other software, just not familiar with what I'd need for cpu/mobo support
• 2971[12:19:21] <lovelybac0n> 4.9 is a desent kernel is you don't need the new amd ryzen support.
• 2972[12:19:29] <MrDetonia> you can install newer kernels if you need more recent drivers
• 2973[12:19:33] <|DM|> I do specifically need ryzen support
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• 2975[12:19:55] <lovelybac0n> Then off you go reading.
• 2976[12:19:55] <|DM|> Oh, so just a kernel upgrade pulls in all the kmodules ?
• 2977[12:20:03] <celyr> then you need kernel 4.10 at least
• 2978[12:20:06] <MrDetonia> linux 4.10 supports Ryzen
• 2979[12:20:21] <|DM|> Alright great, kernel upgrade isnt an issue
• 2980[12:20:43] <lovelybac0n> Arch is a nice car :)
• 2981[12:21:01] <lovelybac0n> don't kill me
• 2982[12:21:16] <|DM|> Yeah Arch and unstable/testing were what I was considering with the new build
• 2983[12:21:25] <|DM|> decided to stick with debian because I'm more familiar with it
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• 2985[12:21:50] <celyr> I stick with debian because when i power on I don't want to have any issue
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• 2987[12:22:00] <celyr> stability is main focus and should be
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• 2994[12:22:32] <|DM|> b-b-but the shiny new toys ;-;
• 2995[12:22:54] <MrDetonia> Arch rarely breaks unless you don't pay attention to release notes, but yes you do run the risk.
• 2996[12:22:56] <celyr> you get your dick stuck in those things
• 2997[12:23:05] <shamoanjac> "rarely"
• 2998[12:23:16] <shamoanjac> That's already too frequent for me
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• 3000[12:23:26] <MiguelFuller> I can't configure my mouse in debian without installing additional packages for add ppa repositories this is too tedious
• 3001[12:23:31] <celyr> rarely my production server get broken
• 3002[12:23:32] <MiguelFuller> I'm going to the gas station for a snack
• 3003[12:23:35] <celyr> rarely I get fired :P
• 3004[12:23:35] <MrDetonia> I wouldn't run it on a server but it's more than fine for laptops/personal desktops etc.
• 3005[12:23:47] <MrDetonia> Well, I don't run Arch linux anymore but in past experience
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• 3010[12:24:20] <lovelybac0n> Btw. I dualboot arch.
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• 3012[12:24:39] <MrDetonia> I'm going to do my obligatory daily shilling of Void Linux while the topic is up
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• 3020[12:25:13] <lovelybac0n> Lets stay support and move it into #debian-offtopic.
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• 3029[12:29:22] <MrDetonia> >do a 3-way merge between available versions (experimental)
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• 3031[12:29:24] <MrDetonia> I'm intrigued
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• 3039[12:30:09] <ForceRecon> good morning everyone
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• 3042[12:30:41] <ForceRecon> as some of you know I was working on trying to delete information on a usb drive of my debian linux machine yesterday..
• 3043[12:31:12] <darme> anyone else using ii irc client?
• 3044[12:31:18] <ForceRecon> after being informed how to do it and getting pretty aggravated that there was no simple design for doing this I was instructed to use terminal
• 3045[12:32:06] <ForceRecon> in my haste I deleted partition 5 on my machine.
• 3046[12:32:10] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, a simple design for deleting files, or wiping drives?
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• 3049[12:32:17] <MrDetonia> because there is a simple design for both
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• 3051[12:33:03] <rafalcpp> hi, on boot (new os, deb8) the sys failed to assemble raid. I'm in (initramfs) shell. How to assemble it?
• 3052[12:33:05] <ForceRecon> yeah, I wish you were here yesterday.. this was a usb 8gb drive that had a version of mint on it and I just could not wipe it no matter what I tried. but I finaly did get it
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• 3054[12:33:27] <rafalcpp> oh nice, mdadm --examine works here
• 3055[12:33:43] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, with dd I take it? or fdisk to clear the partition table?
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• 3057[12:34:37] <ForceRecon> ST750LX003-1AC154 This is my drive I gather in Linux. fdisk
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• 3064[12:35:05] <ForceRecon> but now since I chose sda instead of sdb
• 3065[12:35:10] <ForceRecon> its gone..
• 3066[12:35:32] <ForceRecon> is there any way to get it back, I don't recall what it actually does.. there was nothing there
• 3067[12:35:47] <MrDetonia> right... make sure you pay attention to what you're doing next time
• 3068[12:35:58] <ForceRecon> yeah you got that right..
• 3069[12:35:59] <MrDetonia> you can check your /etc/fstab file to see what /dev/sda5 was for
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• 3071[12:36:30] <MrDetonia> possibly you can recover using a program called "testdisk", otherwise recreate the partition if it was something simple like /tmp or swap
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• 3076[12:37:57] <rafalcpp> when I fixed the system (mounted all partitions) in initramfs, how to proceed with boot up into normal (or single user) mode?
• 3077[12:38:09] <ForceRecon> swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
• 3078[12:38:09] <ForceRecon> UUID=4e367d38-9398-40b6-bbbb-c1d3ce1937e9 none
• 3079[12:38:29] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v java-fx
• 3080[12:38:30] <judd> No package named 'java-fx' was found in amd64.
• 3081[12:38:30] <MrDetonia> okay, then that's lucky
• 3082[12:38:35] <ForceRecon> How do I recreate it and how do I know how big it was
• 3083[12:38:44] <|DM|> I've had good results with testdisk
• 3084[12:38:49] <MrDetonia> you can (carefully) recreate the partition in fdisk - it will be free space now
• 3085[12:38:56] <Cl0udN9ne> is there a package which provides openjdk 8 java fx in debian stretch?
• 3086[12:38:57] <|DM|> Oh, it was just swap
• 3087[12:39:03] <MrDetonia> then mkswap, swapon, and rebuild your /etc/fstab
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• 3091[12:40:19] <ForceRecon> well those are my key words so I will start reading on that.. I am only in linux for 3 months about.. Ill figure it out.. If I need some direction I will re ask.. Any concerns I should have not to do something wrong..
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• 3095[12:40:59] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, good luck. At no point should you need to delete any more partitions - it will simply be a case of running fdisk, creating a new partition, and then running the above commands on that new partition
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• 3098[12:41:07] <Cl0udN9ne> ,v java
• 3099[12:41:08] <judd> No package named 'java' was found in amd64.
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• 3102[12:41:32] <ForceRecon> THanks MrDetonia, its just things like this that concern me - mkswap will use the entire partition or file if it is omitted. Specifying it is unwise - a typo may destroy your disk.
• 3103[12:42:08] <invizus> ,v open-jdk
• 3104[12:42:09] <judd> No package named 'open-jdk' was found in amd64.
• 3105[12:42:18] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, that's just a disclaimer for "make sure you know what you're doing"
• 3106[12:42:21] <rafalcpp> ok you should just exit the initramfs with command "exit"
• 3107[12:42:30] <rafalcpp> this channel is not helpful today (;
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• 3109[12:42:49] <MrDetonia> the syntax will be 'mkswap /dev/sda5' - depending on what partition number is made with fdisk
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• 3111[12:43:03] <lovelybac0n> Why do you want to pullute your system with java?
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• 3115[12:43:50] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
• 3116[12:43:52] <Cl0udN9ne> an app i downloaded needs it
• 3117[12:43:57] <bazhang> lovelybac0n, some might need it, not really topical is it
• 3118[12:44:15] <ForceRecon> MrDetonia: I am reading that now.. However, will it make the swap folder of a size of its own choosing or do I have to specify as with the command the -pagesize
• 3119[12:44:29] <lovelybac0n> it's bad. Program in something else.
• 3120[12:44:41] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, the entire partition you made will be the swap area, no need to specify a size
• 3121[12:44:56] <rafalcpp> guess how long it took to netinstall almost minimal debian (just xfce+basic system) on raid-mirror 2 usb pendrives?
• 3122[12:46:05] <ForceRecon> mkswap: error: /dev/sda5 is mounted; will not make swapspace
• 3123[12:46:34] <ForceRecon> however, when you click on it it says it is not mounted
• 3124[12:46:52] <MrDetonia> 'mount | grep sda5'
• 3125[12:46:58] <MrDetonia> will tell you where, if anywhere
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• 3129[12:47:29] <ForceRecon> shows nothing..
• 3130[12:47:41] <ForceRecon> hmm wth.. at least Im having fun..
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• 3133[12:48:08] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, what does 'lsblk' say about it?
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• 3137[12:49:18] <ForceRecon> sda 8:0 0 698.7G 0 disk
• 3138[12:49:18] <ForceRecon> ├─sda1 8:1 0 690.8G 0 part /
• 3139[12:49:18] <ForceRecon> ├─sda2 8:2 0 1K 0 part
• 3140[12:49:21] <sherab> io donwloaded a cinammon extenssion on my debian jessie how can i tell if it will install?
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• 3142[12:49:32] <ForceRecon> └─sda5 8:5 0 7.8G 0 part [SWAP]
• 3143[12:49:32] <ForceRecon> sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom
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• 3145[12:50:04] <MrDetonia> ah, that says it is already being used as swap
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• 3148[12:50:44] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, are you missing sda3 and sda4? or did they just not paste
• 3149[12:51:08] <ForceRecon> there is no 3 or 4
• 3150[12:51:14] <MrDetonia> >Packages to be removed: nmp
• 3151[12:51:16] <MrDetonia> Oh no(!)
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• 3153[12:51:21] <MrDetonia> npm*
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• 3155[12:51:40] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, okay then looks like no problem after all, unless something else is missing
• 3156[12:52:03] <ForceRecon> no.. just won't mount and is unclickable
• 3157[12:52:09] <ForceRecon> and error in fstab
• 3158[12:52:16] <MrDetonia> it's being used as swap though
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• 3160[12:52:25] <MrDetonia> what's the error in fstab?
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• 3164[12:53:45] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 3166[12:54:29] <MrDetonia> that seems fine, as long as the UUID still matches
• 3167[12:54:53] <MrDetonia> /dev/sda5 is being used for swap according to lsblk (that's why you can't mount it - it isn't mountable)
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• 3170[12:56:15] <tw> "missing" part3/4 is standard layout for mbr extended partitioning.
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• 3172[12:56:46] <MrDetonia> I've never seen that before but if that makes sense
• 3173[12:56:48] <ForceRecon> how do you know if the uuid still matches? any way to check
• 3174[12:57:04] <MrDetonia> yes but I forget the command, I think it's lsblkid or something
• 3175[12:57:12] <MrDetonia> blkid* maybe
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• 3177[12:57:30] <BluesKaj> sudo lsblkid
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• 3180[12:57:59] <MrDetonia> tha's the one, cheers
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• 3184[12:58:52] <ForceRecon> I don't have that command
• 3185[12:59:03] <BluesKaj> oddly enough sudo blkid works
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• 3187[12:59:27] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 3189[12:59:36] <ForceRecon> yeah I found that too.. thanks for all the help guys
• 3190[12:59:37] <BluesKaj> yeah, thei lsblkid works on 'buntus
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• 3192[12:59:44] <sypher> blkid
• 3193[13:00:21] <ForceRecon> /dev/sda1: UUID="2db15fec-6387-47ec-ba92-7f735ee30be9" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="b711b71d-01"
• 3194[13:00:21] <ForceRecon> /dev/sda5: UUID="4e367d38-9398-40b6-bbbb-c1d3ce1937e9" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="b711b71d-05"
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• 3200[13:01:18] <ForceRecon> looks ok
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• 3202[13:01:52] <BluesKaj> or lsblk -f
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• 3204[13:02:32] <ForceRecon> I guess it is all alright so to speak..
• 3205[13:02:42] <ForceRecon> I really thought I screwed something up..
• 3206[13:02:44] <lovelybac0n> lsblk is awesome
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• 3215[13:05:39] <ForceRecon> I really wanted to blow away my windows machine and load debian.. but I just can't get it to boot with the live cd.. and I can't take a chance to wipe it out and it not work..
• 3216[13:06:08] <ForceRecon> Gonna give stretch a couple more weeks and maybe things will beupdated? Wishful thinking?
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• 3218[13:06:38] <MrDetonia> Updates will just be bugfixes and security patches from now in Stretch
• 3219[13:06:49] <ForceRecon> live dvd with firmware and non free just gives me black screen on boot after choice..there is no way to E edit the boot to try toram
• 3220[13:06:56] <MrDetonia> I would recommend you simply say goodbye to Windows and never look back :)
• 3221[13:07:30] <MrDetonia> what gpu do you have? I've had black screens with Radeon cards before but very specific ones
• 3222[13:07:37] <ForceRecon> I have 3 monitors and a pretty decent machine.. I really wish I could change over.. but I am not savy enough to even know what to try
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• 3225[13:08:15] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
• 3226[13:08:17] <MrDetonia> oh if you're getting no console at all after GRUB, then it's setting the wrong videomode
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• 3228[13:08:44] <MrDetonia> ForceRecon, replaced-url
• 3229[13:09:00] <MrDetonia> can be a bit trial and error I'm afraid
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• 3231[13:09:17] <BluesKaj> ForceRecon, I've hadgood luck with the netinstall images using the regular old textbased method rather then the GUI, which gave me trouble
• 3232[13:09:58] <ForceRecon> yeah I did not do the install just trying to make sure the machine will work
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• 3234[13:10:17] <ForceRecon> but again.. I have no clue what I am doing when it comes to hacking my way through a live dvd..
• 3235[13:10:28] <tw> livedvd, yikes.
• 3236[13:10:42] <gry> tw: I heard it is useful for testing hwardware, sound etc
• 3237[13:10:43] <tw> I didn't think that was well maintained.
• 3238[13:10:54] <ForceRecon> unless I try I won't know but right now I need my machine to work.. and to have it not work and then spend 2 days rebulding it in windows again would suck
• 3239[13:11:40] <tw> Didn't someone suggest booting a usb disk you netinstalled to the other day? That would be much, MUCH less headache.
• 3240[13:11:50] <ForceRecon> I could try another distro but I really don't want to leave debian
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• 3242[13:12:00] <vicky> hello all! I have made the mistake of uninstalling the existing kernel without any older kernel in place. Now the version of the kernel in the repos (i.e., 4.9) is too big to be installed in the 175M free space that I have in /
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• 3244[13:12:22] <ForceRecon> maybe I should just try linux mint and see if it shows me all my monitors
• 3245[13:12:24] <gry> why do you have so little free space
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• 3247[13:12:38] <BluesKaj> livemedia can be non representative of the install to a real drive, especially with debian ...dunno why, just buggy perhaps
• 3248[13:12:40] <tw> vicky: maybe `apt clean` will free some space?
• 3249[13:12:58] <ForceRecon> I thought debian 9 did not support UEFI
• 3250[13:13:06] <ForceRecon> or does it.
• 3251[13:13:06] <tw> it does, just not the livecd.
• 3252[13:13:14] <tw> deb9 does uefi just fine.
• 3253[13:13:15] <ForceRecon> I think thats my problem
• 3254[13:13:27] <ForceRecon> at least one of them
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• 3257[13:14:06] <vicky> tw: no luck there, i have managed to clean up 175M out of the 190M required
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• 3261[13:15:51] <vicky> this is the partitioning setup - replaced-url
• 3262[13:16:08] <de-facto> Does the netinstall medium for Stretch boot in UEFI mode?
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• 3264[13:16:42] <tw> vicky: you don't have a partition for /lib
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• 3270[13:17:43] <BluesKaj> ForceRecon, there is a drastic method that some including me have used to get arounf the uefi problem, set partition table to dos instead of gpt and wipe all the uefi boot etc partitions off the drive and use legacy mode (like the old bios) I don't recommend it , but it is an option..
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• 3273[13:18:30] <de-facto> The more partitions the higher the likelyhood of running into full partitions
• 3274[13:18:55] <ForceRecon> offtopic I am just curious why there are so many partitions to begin with
• 3275[13:18:59] <ForceRecon> geez
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• 3277[13:19:12] <ForceRecon> there must be good reason..
• 3278[13:19:35] <tw> I do it so I don't have to implement quota. A full disk won't make the system unbootable. There are good reasons for it.
• 3279[13:19:40] <BluesKaj> that's the nature of the uefi system
• 3280[13:19:57] <tw> And uefi needs particular partitions to boot.
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• 3282[13:20:34] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 3284[13:20:42] <ForceRecon> learn something new..
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• 3286[13:21:33] <MrDetonia> dist-upgrade done, ssh config checked, grub checked, rebooting...
• 3287[13:21:37] * MrDetonia crosses fingers
• 3288[13:21:44] <ForceRecon> woot!
• 3289[13:22:41] <ForceRecon> Thanks everyone.. gonna read this Grub Tips and Tricks and maybe give it a whirl
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• 3291[13:24:07] <MrDetonia> flawless upgrade, nice
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• 3293[13:24:23] <ForceRecon> way to go MrDetonia
• 3294[13:24:24] <MrDetonia> so glad we can do that now instead of reinstalling the whole OS
• 3295[13:25:17] <gry> debian features flawless upgrades for many years
• 3296[13:25:35] <MrDetonia> not in my experience - maybe I just did them wrong before :^)
• 3297[13:25:47] <gry> perhaps
• 3298[13:25:48] <MrDetonia> wheezy to jessie broke horribly when I tried that
• 3299[13:26:14] <ForceRecon> is there like a eventviewer in linux that shows you serious errors only
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• 3301[13:26:35] <MrDetonia> nothing like eventviewer, but you'll learn how the different logs work
• 3302[13:26:42] <MrDetonia> there is a syslog, that you can search over
• 3303[13:26:50] <MrDetonia> and dmesg
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• 3313[13:30:42] <bazhang> ,v trickle
• 3314[13:30:43] <judd> Package: trickle on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.07-9+b1; jessie: 1.07-10; stretch: 1.07-10+b1; sid: 1.07-10.1; buster: 1.07-10.1
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• 3323[13:38:12] <rapha> where in the installer image is the vmlinuz file? (i'm looking at debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso)
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• 3325[13:38:27] <slax0r> find . -name vmlinuz
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• 3328[13:41:00] <rootkea> Hello! I just upgraded to Stretch from Jessie and I'm experiencing this weird issue with xfce4-terminal. Whenever I type "clear" on terminal it clears the terminal (that's expected!) *but* now I can scrollback only a screenful. Earlier text n terminal is just can't be scrollbacked to. Here are the screenshots replaced-url
• 3329[13:41:00] <rootkea> e the scrollbar.
• 3330[13:41:32] <rootkea> xfce4 -terminal version 0.8.3
• 3331[13:41:33] <rapha> Thank you slax0r
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• 3334[13:42:14] <slax0r> rootkea: I can do that on jessie as well, and I'm pretty sure it was possible in older version as well
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• 3336[13:43:21] <rootkea> slax0r: No! On older version I could scrollback to earlier terminal text.
• 3337[13:43:43] <slax0r> oh, I see
• 3338[13:43:56] <rootkea> scrollback was never restricted to only a screenful after typing "clear" on terminal
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• 3356[13:54:38] <altab> hi, I'm upgrading packets (Debian 8 to Debian 9) before dist-upgrade and I have this error message : replaced-url
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• 3364[13:58:32] <babilen> altab: Where did you get that 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel from?
• 3365[13:58:39] <altab> I don't know
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• 3369[13:58:55] <ForceRecon> lets say I install stretch from scratch on my PC.. when I get done.. I only have 2 of the 3 monitors working.. What exactly should I research in order to get the 3rd one going.. What would I be looking for regarding configuration and where do I look
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• 3371[14:00:02] <babilen> altab: Could you paste the output of "uname -a", "dpkg -l linux-image*", "ls -lah /lib/modules" and "dpkg -S /lib/modules/3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/" to replaced-url
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• 3373[14:00:36] <sypher> babilen: It's an OVH virtual server kernel, I believe.
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• 3376[14:01:11] <altab> sypher: yes it is
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• 3379[14:01:51] <babilen> Probably an OpenVZ box
• 3380[14:01:56] <BluesKaj> ForceRecon, no point speculating since support here will need actual errors from /var/log for example to figure what the problem is.
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• 3383[14:02:20] <babilen> altab: So, do you have control over the kernel your VM uses?
• 3384[14:02:40] <FBI_Anon> hey what happens if apt-get upgrade (via ssh tunnel) is interupted? can i just continue later with apt-get upgrade or do i need ot add special flags?
• 3385[14:02:43] <ForceRecon> okay.. I am going to do it.. :)
• 3386[14:02:52] <ForceRecon> lets see where this train takes us
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• 3392[14:04:40] <mum0l> Hi guys, I've some weird thing with my Debian 7.8.. I've a user named "dtuser" and in limits.conf there are limits set for him to 10k, sadly system do not see them.. and put default ones, any ideas what can be the reason of that behaviour? replaced-url
• 3393[14:05:14] <mum0l> system was reloaded couple of times and the issue still exist, I;m running a bit out of ideas..
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• 3398[14:07:25] <iam_> hello everyone
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• 3405[14:13:03] <iam_> anybody knows how to setup pure kde without its apps? excluding just install kde-plasma-desktop package and then remove unnecessary apps.
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• 3414[14:17:24] <jelly> FBI_Anon: all apt commands are supposed to be restartable.
• 3415[14:17:30] <fender0107401> Hi all, I just upgraded my system to 9.0 and I got one question: where is the ifconfig cmd?
• 3416[14:17:57] <jelly> fender0107401: use "ip a" or install net-tools back
• 3417[14:17:57] <tw> fender0107401: deprecated, use iproute2 commands if possible. If not, install net-utils (deprecated)
• 3418[14:18:04] <tw> net-tools, my mistake
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• 3420[14:18:33] <fender0107401> Got it. :)
• 3421[14:18:50] <jelly> fender0107401: read the release notes. replaced-url
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• 3424[14:19:30] <fender0107401> Good, will do that.
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• 3433[14:22:55] <darme_> do you guys use deb-multimedia packages?
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• 3435[14:23:22] <tw> If I need a specific feature, but that hasn't been the case for a long time.
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• 3438[14:23:57] <vicky> tw: sorry about the late reply, yes there is no separate partition for /lib could i move the directory to some other partition and use a link instead?
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• 3442[14:24:47] <darme_> debian is keeping things free, but free things doesnt show my videos correctly... or I just dont know how to configure it?
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• 3447[14:25:52] <lovelybac0n> mpv is not enough?
• 3448[14:26:15] <tw> vicky: probably would work. I don't know if it'll detect correctly or goof up initrd generation or soforth. It's worth a shot, but have a rescue disk on hand.
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• 3450[14:26:47] <darme_> im using vlc, but mpv is enough it works correctly
• 3451[14:26:50] <vicky> tw: is there any way i could install an older kernel without breaking the system?
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• 3458[14:29:41] <tw> There are older kernel versions in apt if you're on wheezy/jessie. It might work on stretch but usually you can upgrade the kernel without breaking glibc, but not downgrade.
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• 3466[14:31:24] <jelly> vicky: no, do not move whole of /lib, that will break your system
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• 3494[14:45:32] <tw> jelly: it worked for me >.> I had to use busybox-static to ln -s /opt/lib /lib. Reboots fine though.
• 3495[14:46:03] <tw> But like I said, I don't know the crazy side effects related to relocated stuff.
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• 3503[14:47:06] <ForceRecon> okay, so I am going to do a clean stretch installation.. I believe I need firmware and non free. Can someone point me to the correct ISO
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• 3505[14:47:20] <ForceRecon> or if there is something else I should be using please let me know
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• 3508[14:47:28] <jelly> tw: initramfs has to be smart enough to mount both / and /lib before passing control to real OS
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• 3514[14:48:22] <tw> Otherwise init can't come up. But it already has to be that smart to bring up /usr because all of systemd's crap is in there.
• 3515[14:48:22] <jelly> dpkg sort of deals with symlinked dirs in a sane way
• 3516[14:48:22] <dpkg> jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 3523[14:49:03] <Bliepo> So I am setting up opendkim, but for some reason the config in /etc/default/opendkim is being *completely ignored*
• 3524[14:50:10] <Bliepo> I need to have the socket in /var/spool/postfix (because of the chroot), so I uncommented the RUNDIR suggestion that should do this, but it is being ignored
• 3525[14:50:28] <Bliepo> Instead the socket is still located in /var/run/opendkim/opendkim.sock
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• 3527[14:50:47] <jelly> or you can dispose of silly postfix chroot
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• 3529[14:51:20] <Bliepo> Or I could just fix this problem and have my chroot
• 3530[14:51:36] <tw> vicky: actually, it's much safer to move just /lib/modules and that should cover your issue.
• 3531[14:51:42] <ForceRecon> okay so why are non free firmware unofficial
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• 3533[14:51:57] <ForceRecon> and should I try the official or go with firmware-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
• 3534[14:51:57] <tw> moving lib/ld.so is probably just straight up a bad idea.
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• 3541[14:55:19] <jelly> ForceRecon: Debian ships only free software, so any image that has even a tiny bit of non-free software won't ever be official
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• 3545[14:57:54] <ForceRecon> yeah I just read the difference online.. However, the unofficial could have been created by anyone on the dev team including maybe the big boys. So the unofficial supports new hardware, might install differently and includes items not found in the official debian repository. Which is good and bad..
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• 3548[14:58:24] <ForceRecon> I am going to try the unofficial and see if it works.. if not then I will try the official and deal with missing things later on
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• 3550[14:58:34] <iam_> Hi all. Anybody knows how to setup pure kde without its apps? Excluding just install kde-plasma-desktop package and then remove unnecessary apps
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• 3552[14:59:10] <ForceRecon> what I find interesting in linux is there is no visual way to know if a driver was not loaded for something and unless you really track it down you will never know what you are missing, vs windows so to speak. How incorrect is that thinking
• 3553[14:59:18] <jelly> ForceRecon: these support the exact same hardware as the official images, but you don't have to add firmware on the side to make some drivers work
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• 3570[15:04:05] <Plushfish> ircd-irc2 on stretch hangs at setting up
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• 3573[15:05:06] <ForceRecon> when I used to build windows machines I always created a d drive for my dropbox and games folder and downloads.. I do like the linux structure, is it wise to change the home drive to its own spot>
• 3574[15:05:42] <ForceRecon> what are common drive partitioning suggestions
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• 3577[15:06:23] <Plushfish> "systemctl status <name>" gives me "start operation times out" ... wtf is this for a status message!?
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• 3581[15:07:04] <dna1> Does debian stable still come without wireless?
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• 3588[15:10:23] <towo^work> dna1, this question does not make many sense
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• 3591[15:11:09] <dna1> i thought they would add that with the update
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• 3594[15:11:34] <towo^work> debian stable does work fine with wireless
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• 3597[15:11:47] <towo^work> dna1, so again, tell us your real problem
• 3598[15:11:52] <dna1> you have to download extra repositories
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• 3600[15:12:21] <towo^work> most wireless chipsets needs non-free firmware#
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• 3602[15:12:49] <towo^work> and since debian is dfsg, that firmwares or repos are not included
• 3603[15:12:59] <towo^work> so read about non-free and be happy
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• 3612[15:14:26] <dna1> does ubuntu come with these non free firmwares?
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• 3615[15:15:02] <hasdf> want to switch from php7.0 (dotdeb sources) to php7.0 with stretch sources. How would I do this?
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• 3619[15:15:31] <towo^work> dna1, does it matter?
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• 3622[15:16:18] <Bliepo> How nice, the opendkim.service uses hard coded values for the socket and pid file. Thereby ignoring /etc/default/opendkim
• 3623[15:16:34] <dna1> i'm just asking
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• 3625[15:16:40] <choice> Hello! How can I use FireFox on an OpenBox machine? I downloaded and untarred it. But how do I start it from the X-Server?
• 3626[15:16:43] <choice> There is no start menu, no terminal no nothing :)
• 3627[15:16:50] <towo^work> dna1, in a debian channel?
• 3628[15:17:13] <towo^work> ubuntu is not debian, so ask in their channel
• 3629[15:17:29] <dna1> in a debian context i would say
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• 3631[15:17:48] <choice> When I right-click, I get a menu with "webbrowser". But that gives me chromium. How can I start my downloaded FireFox?
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• 3634[15:19:09] <tremolo> You can open a terminal and run it from wherever you untarred it to. You can edit your openbox menu to add an entry for it.
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• 3640[15:20:20] <choice> Guess I have to install some terminal emulator then? But which one?
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• 3657[15:25:56] <tw> I suggest xterm or rxvt and going from there. I'm using lxterminal, but I haven't bothered to change the defaults for x-terminal-emulator.
• 3658[15:26:20] <tw> You may as well check if x-terminal-emulator is set to something useful already.
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• 3661[15:28:14] <Plushfish> tw: Does your last line mean Debian doesn't have a useful terminal?
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• 3667[15:29:33] <choice> Hello! I am trying to run the latest FireFox on Debian 8, but it complains it is missing libgtk-3.so.0
• 3668[15:29:38] <choice> Can I install it somehow?
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• 3674[15:30:58] <tw> Plushfish: since x-terminal-emulator is selected using the alternatives system, it might be set to something that isn't nice to work with if you haven't installed something nice.
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• 3677[15:32:11] <towo^work> choice, what you mean with latest firefox?
• 3678[15:32:14] <tw> choice: have you tried installing firefox-esr from apt? That'd probably save you a lot of trouble.
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• 3680[15:32:21] <towo^work> choice, doenloaded tarball? if yes, which?
• 3681[15:32:34] <towo^work> s/e/w
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• 3683[15:32:59] <choice> towo^work: Not sure. The one from the mozilla page. It automagically choosen one.
• 3684[15:33:20] <towo^work> why you do such nonsense?
• 3685[15:33:25] <|DM|> Wait a minute, I just realized
• 3686[15:33:34] <towo^work> install it from apt and all is good
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• 3688[15:33:50] <|DM|> If I need a ^4.10 kernel to boot up my ryzen pc
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• 3690[15:33:52] <|DM|> How the hell do I get and build that kernel, when debian 9 ships wiht 4.9 ??!?!?
• 3691[15:34:02] <towo^work> choice, and propably you have doenloaded the wrong arch
• 3692[15:34:04] <|DM|> Crosscompile it?
• 3693[15:34:05] <choice> towo^work: In the repos, there is only iceweasel. I installed that one now.
• 3694[15:34:11] <towo^work> choice, no
• 3695[15:34:19] <|DM|> iceweasel points at firefox esr right now, no?
• 3696[15:34:21] <choice> towo^work: That made my chromium menu entry go away. How do I get it back?
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• 3699[15:35:09] <|DM|> Or does ryzen boot on 4.9, just not to full potential?
• 3700[15:35:20] <tw> It'll boot, you won't get MT support, is how it reads.
• 3701[15:35:26] <tw> I don't have one though, so YMMV.
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• 3703[15:37:09] <|DM|> Ah, ok. Guess I wont get to use the threads to full potential first compile round
• 3704[15:37:16] <|DM|> Still, if it boots, fixable
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• 3708[15:38:06] <tw> There's no reason it shouldn't boot. It's still x86. They'd have to do something really funky (abhorably compatibility breaking) to make it not boot.
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• 3745[15:54:34] <jstolare1> just upgraded from jessie to stretch. It seems that chkconfig has been removed from stretch? At least aptitude now lists it as obsolete.
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• 3748[15:54:56] <jstolarek> what aree the recommended replacements?
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• 3751[15:56:02] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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• 3755[15:56:54] <dury> does this repo work or it's down deb replaced-url
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• 3758[15:57:25] <Jurida> Hi, I need an application that will edit packets for me at tcp level
• 3759[15:57:31] <Jurida> is there such a thing?
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• 3761[15:58:48] <dury> is firefox repository for debian broke or what?
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• 3766[16:00:59] <dury> Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 3768[16:01:35] <dury> how can?
• 3769[16:02:08] <dury> can anyone drive me please?
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• 3774[16:03:27] <dury> Jurida, packages for tcp?
• 3775[16:03:45] <bullgard4> Where is available a public archive for the mailing list debian-user-german@lists.debian.org?
• 3776[16:03:56] <Jurida> capture, edit, and send actually
• 3777[16:03:58] <Jurida> that sort of thing
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• 3781[16:04:48] <dury> Jurida, jeesuuss no idea mate, sorry
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• 3783[16:04:59] <tw> tcpdump/pcap, iptables, squid, nfnetlink_queue (interface). You can do a lot of interesting things, you'd have to be more specific.
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• 3790[16:05:50] <dury> tw, can you assist please?
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• 3793[16:06:08] <tw> dury: install firefox-esr from the regular repositories.
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• 3796[16:06:27] <tw> I don't know anything about that particular repository.
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• 3798[16:06:56] <dury> which one is yours then? tw
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• 3801[16:07:05] <rafalcpp> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 3802[16:07:22] <rafalcpp> The following packages will be upgraded: debian-archive-keyring
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• 3804[16:07:30] <rafalcpp> are both this things expected for debian 8 today?
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• 3806[16:08:26] <dury> rafalcpp, you got the same problem?
• 3807[16:08:39] <rafalcpp> dury: I got the above, yes
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• 3809[16:09:12] <rafalcpp> dury: I got the above, yes
• 3810[16:09:23] <rafalcpp> dury: asking #debian-security on OFTC irc
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• 3812[16:10:23] <rafalcpp> dury: ask them if you want to. got to afk now
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• 3815[16:10:53] <dury> rafalcpp, what's afk?
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• 3819[16:11:36] <greycat> "away from keyboard"
• 3820[16:11:47] <dury> catch it
• 3821[16:11:48] <ham5> lol wow
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• 3823[16:12:13] <dury> greycat, :-)
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• 3826[16:12:37] <dury> greycat, what could be the problem you think?
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• 3828[16:13:03] <greycat> The problem? Is that he's not at his keyboard to answer what afk means.
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• 3830[16:13:36] <dury> greycat, I mean with that firefox repo
• 3831[16:13:53] <greycat> What makes you think I know anything about firefox repositories?
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• 3838[16:15:26] <dury> greycat, I've thought you know another repo to replace that
• 3839[16:15:35] <dury> greycat, sorry
• 3840[16:15:42] <greycat> I just got here. I don't even have CONTEXT for what you are asking.
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• 3846[16:17:46] <dury> greycat, I'm asking why Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 3850[16:18:35] <greycat> Why bother using mozilla.debian.net? Isn't 52 already a large enough number? Didn't it already change enough random things? Already make your buttons gigantic enough?
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• 3854[16:19:29] <f-a> I am having difficulties with `startx` and .xsession-errors has this entry
• 3855[16:19:32] <bullgard4> [solved]
• 3856[16:19:33] <f-a> dbus-update-activation-environment: warning: error sending to systemd: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
• 3857[16:19:46] <f-a> what can I do to diagnose this (no DE/xmonad)
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• 3859[16:19:57] <dury> greycat, right .
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• 3863[16:21:11] <dury> greycat, great hack though
• 3864[16:21:16] <greycat> err... what?
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• 3866[16:21:34] <greycat> f-a: personally I'd start with "systemctl status dbus" (as root, so you get logs too)
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• 3875[16:23:05] <f-a> is active and seems fine, greycat , last message: Jun 20 16:10:25 x60s dbus[428]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1'
• 3876[16:23:25] <greycat> Then I've got no ideas.
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• 3886[16:25:07] <tw> f-a: usually the display manager starts a per-session user dbus process. If you're calling startx, you may need to start your own.
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• 3891[16:25:40] <greycat> tw: I've never had to do that. It has always worked for me. Jessie and stretch, fvwm, no DE.
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• 3896[16:26:27] <greycat> f-a: is there anything unusual about this setup? Did you replace systemd with some other init system? Are you inside a VM/container of some kind?
• 3897[16:26:33] <tw> greycat: do you use dbus-launch in that config or just exec the processes as children of your process-session directly?
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• 3901[16:27:03] <zykotick9> dury: <sidenote> i'm getting a 404 from m.d.n's jessie-backports as well, so you are not alone...
• 3902[16:27:08] <f-a> greycat: no, systemd is there, no container/vm. I compiled xmonad myself though
• 3903[16:27:20] <greycat> tw: I login on tty1, and run 'startx'. I have a .xsession file that does a few things, then 'exec fvwm' at the end. Very traditional. I have not had to manually touch dbus or anything.
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• 3906[16:27:57] <f-a> also alt-n does not work so I gotta exit irssi for a second to detach tmux
• 3907[16:27:57] <f-a> brb
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• 3920[16:30:45] <zykotick9> f-a: <sidenote> i ran into an issue with alt-n with stretch's xterm... i spend a few seconds trying to figure it out, but just install rxvt-unicode and called it a day...
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• 3923[16:31:33] <f-a> zykotick9: I do use urxvt too, but god knows why xterm is spawned
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• 3925[16:31:47] <f-a> and the usable screen is a quarter of what it used to be
• 3926[16:31:53] <f-a> I suspect xmonad gets not invoked
• 3927[16:32:36] <f-a> I forgot: where should I find an invocation of it? in .xinitrc?
• 3928[16:32:48] <greycat> startx reads ~/.xsession if that exists, or ~/.xinitrc otherwise
• 3929[16:33:00] <Jurida> I love bash compilers
• 3930[16:33:00] <greycat> if neither exists, then it uses the default system Xsession
• 3931[16:33:14] <dury> zykotick9, so what's the solution then?
• 3932[16:33:17] <f-a> ok, got no .xsession
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• 3936[16:33:34] <greycat> /etc/X11/Xsession then, probably
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• 3939[16:33:58] <Jurida> Does anyone know some good bash compiler?
• 3940[16:34:41] <zykotick9> dury: wait 'till it's fixed?
• 3941[16:34:56] <greycat> Use firefox-esr 52 from security?
• 3942[16:35:08] <dury> zykotick9, right, ok.... cheerss there
• 3943[16:35:20] <f-a> greycat: ok, apt-get removing xmonad and compiling it from source might not have been my best bet I fear. Can you tell me where/when you call your dm?
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• 3946[16:35:34] <greycat> the last line of my ~/.xsession is exec fvwm
• 3947[16:35:35] <tw> Jurida: What are you trying to do that requires compiling shell script?
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• 3949[16:36:17] <Jurida> restrict users from editing said script
• 3950[16:36:33] <greycat> translation: hiding how horribly bad his script is
• 3951[16:36:36] <dury> all right guys
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• 3953[16:36:44] <Jurida> and selling it
• 3954[16:36:49] <greycat> and that.
• 3955[16:36:53] <Jurida> gotta love that one
• 3956[16:36:58] <f-a> greycat: beforeor after . /etc/X11/Xsession ?
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• 3958[16:37:23] <greycat> f-a: No no. If you use a .xsession file, you are *overriding* /etc/X11/Xsession and not using it at all.
• 3959[16:37:46] <f-a> greycat: in my .xinitrc, as last line, I have . /etc/X11/Xsession
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• 3962[16:38:12] <greycat> My .xsession has 4 lines, but if I wrote it in one line for IRC it would look like xsetroot -solid gray; xmodmap -e "keysym Super_L = Multi_key"; xset s off; xset dpms 0 1800 0; exec fvwm
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• 3966[16:38:28] <f-a> mhhhh
• 3967[16:38:31] <Jurida> mac users will buy bash scripts without a thought
• 3968[16:38:33] <Jurida> : - )
• 3969[16:38:58] <tw> f-a: /etc/X11/Xsession doesn't return, it calls exit 0
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• 3971[16:39:05] <f-a> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
• 3972[16:39:06] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3973[16:39:10] <f-a> and now I am there in X
• 3974[16:39:11] <dury> bbl
• 3975[16:39:20] <f-a> thanks greycat Jurida & friends
• 3976[16:39:30] <Jurida> greycat: I do not agree with your opinions
• 3977[16:39:43] <f-a> I can now open a terminal and play nethack
• 3978[16:39:47] <f-a> well since we are there
• 3979[16:40:13] <f-a> since we are there, I had to (root) dpkg-reconfigure console-setup again
• 3980[16:40:25] <f-a> (while in linux console)
• 3981[16:40:29] <sypher> greycat: I 100% agree with that.
• 3982[16:40:32] <f-a> is there a way to make it permanent
• 3983[16:40:37] <Jurida> calling something "bad" because you don't like that feature / possibility is very short-sighted in my opinion
• 3984[16:40:41] <FBI_Anon> hey what happens if apt-get upgrade (via ssh tunnel) is interupted? can i just continue later with apt-get upgrade or do i need ot add special flags?
• 3985[16:40:43] <Jurida> the more options the better
• 3986[16:40:45] <sypher> greycat: Clarifying, I completely agree with your opinions on that page.
• 3987[16:40:47] <tw> greycat: if signature enforcement existed, I'd disagree with you, but for the most part, you're spot on.
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• 3989[16:41:02] <FBI_Anon> oh wait jelly answered me. nevermind.
• 3990[16:41:18] <greycat> FBI_Anon: if you were still in the downloading stage, you can continue with no problems
• 3991[16:41:27] <dontknow> ugh! firefo release doesn't exist for stretch >.<
• 3992[16:41:27] <FBI_Anon> no it was in the second stage
• 3993[16:41:33] <Arcademan> quick question: is there any eta on when stretch backports will be enabled via the on-line package manager?
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• 3995[16:41:34] <FBI_Anon> greycat: it was in the installing stage
• 3996[16:41:38] <tremolo> Jurida: Wasn't the point of compiling it to obfuscate the code and diminish your customers' options?
• 3997[16:41:39] <greycat> FBI_Anon: if it died during package installations, you may have to do "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure -a"
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• 3999[16:41:47] <FBI_Anon> ok cool greycat
• 4000[16:41:55] <tw> Jurida: if your shell script is complex enough and hard enough to maintain and you continue to maintain it, people will pay you to maintain it. This is effectively what RHEL and proxmox are.
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• 4002[16:42:19] <tw> Proxmox being a buttload of disgusting perl.
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• 4004[16:43:02] <sypher> I may be wrong, but I suspect that obfuscating a script so that it can be sold is anathema to the spirit of the DFSG.
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• 4006[16:43:22] <Jurida> tremolo: tw : I am not selling algorithms and information, I'm selling a single series of tasks, if they want more options they'll pay for that
• 4007[16:43:39] <greycat> sypher: I agree. It would almost certainly be considered non-free because the source code is supposed to be "the preferred form for editing"
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• 4009[16:44:16] <sypher> greycat: To say nothing of "free redistribution."
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• 4011[16:44:34] <tremolo> Short answer: I don't know of a good bash compiler. Longer answer, I have never had any interest in a bash compiler because the only reasons for such a thing to exist make me puke a little.
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• 4013[16:45:45] <tremolo> So maybe they exist and I've just not been exposed to them.
• 4014[16:46:11] <greycat> If they exist (which I'm sure they do), they are in the sleazy underworld, along with programs for sending spam email and so on.
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• 4019[16:47:15] <Jurida> business is business, that's why the most widely used user-oriented operating system (windows) and one of its founders (bill gates) became rich, not with free software. Cars don't work with free software
• 4020[16:47:17] <tremolo> It's such a bizarre concept that I first thought you were asking which compiler to use to build bash.
• 4021[16:47:26] <Jurida> don't you drive a car, greycat sypher ?
• 4022[16:47:36] <Jurida> tremolo: ^
• 4023[16:47:45] <greycat> Jurida: I think you have trolled long enough. Debian doesn't have any of them. Please look elsewhere.
• 4024[16:48:06] <Jurida> Merely mentioning facts is not trolling.
• 4025[16:48:32] <jelly> Jurida: keep this channel for tech support issues please, if you want to chat on philosophies of OS and software, there's #debian-offtopic
• 4026[16:48:34] <tremolo> I ride a bike, 1983 Nighthawk. I'm not sure what software has to do with it.
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• 4032[16:50:22] <greycat> I've been informed that Debian does have 'shc'. So my earlier statement was incorrect.
• 4033[16:50:31] <Jurida> [16:39] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4040[16:53:29] <tw> f-a: as far as I know, all actions with dpkg-reconfigure are permanent.
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• 4042[16:53:55] <f-a> tw: are you running stretch?
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• 4044[16:54:13] <tw> yes, but lightdm -> i3, not startx.
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• 4046[16:54:57] <f-a> tw: I meant the linux terminal not X
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• 4049[16:56:01] <iodev> greycat: hi
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• 4052[16:56:49] <tw> f-a: Either way, dpkg-reconfigure calls the deb package's configure (post-?)install script which should be permanent.
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• 4055[16:57:39] <dunderproto> is there a pgp signed sha sum somewhere for the latest release? I can't find seem to find it
• 4056[16:57:56] <jelly> dunderproto: in the very same directory where you got the .iso image from
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• 4058[16:59:04] <dunderproto> jelly: Thanks. I clicked on the link on the front page, so it wasn't obvious at first, but I realized that if I leave out the file name, I can see the iso directory.
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• 4060[16:59:29] <jelly> yeah, sorry, it's not linked right there next to iso
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• 4063[17:02:05] <dontknow> is it ok to install firefox from unstable on stretch?
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• 4065[17:02:27] <greycat> No.
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• 4068[17:02:38] <dontknow> :/
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• 4070[17:02:49] <greycat> ,v firefox-esr
• 4071[17:02:50] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; buster: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-1
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• 4073[17:02:58] <greycat> fuck, it's not even *newer*
• 4074[17:03:07] <greycat> what are you people even talking about?
• 4075[17:03:46] <epsilon> which is actually a good question, what's the best way to have most current (and bugfree) firefox in debian?
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• 4079[17:03:57] <dontknow> stretch doesn't have firefox backport because of rust dependency
• 4080[17:03:57] <greycat> make sure you've got your security.debian.org line set up, and you get 52. which is the same version that sid has.
• 4081[17:03:57] <jelly> dontknow: are you missing security repo in stretch?
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• 4083[17:04:34] <jelly> ,v firefox
• 4084[17:04:35] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-1; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
• 4085[17:04:37] <dontknow> jelly, no. i have firefox-esr 52.2.0
• 4086[17:04:39] <epsilon> just using backports, or external docker container?
• 4087[17:04:48] <tw> iirc, debian-security releases for both the major browsers just track upstream because it's an almost insurmountable task to maintain.
• 4088[17:05:05] <epsilon> tw: exactly
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• 4091[17:06:05] <epsilon> same applies to common software with very frequent updates and major versions, like wordpress
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• 4094[17:06:41] <greycat> The thought of using an even *faster* release cycle than -esr just makes me feel old and tired.
• 4095[17:07:20] <tw> epsilon: replaced-url
• 4096[17:07:31] <epsilon> well esr is very conservatice, version upgrade liake 1-2 years - in web term it's already very slow :-/
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• 4099[17:08:46] <jelly> epsilon: if only. just 10 months lifetime.
• 4100[17:08:58] <dontknow> what will happen for future esr release for firefox. wouldn't it require rust?
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• 4103[17:09:15] <jelly> dontknow: we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
• 4104[17:09:18] <greycat> the picture on replaced-url
• 4105[17:09:49] <jelly> there's a 2 month overlap, but the step is 10 months
• 4106[17:10:11] <greycat> maybe I'm reading the picture wrong
• 4107[17:10:27] <jelly> maybe they prolonged 52 for some reason
• 4108[17:10:29] <epsilon> jelly: I know, point of view... @work I have firefox on my windows-box, windows-servers have firefox-esr. On debian-servers and workstations have whatever debian stable provides
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• 4110[17:10:45] <greycat> why would a -server have a browser installed at all?
• 4111[17:10:58] <jelly> but what do I know, I use -esr builds from Mozilla themselves, not debian's
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• 4114[17:12:53] <jhutchins_wk> epsilon: Your servers have a GUI installed?
• 4115[17:13:12] <jelly> dontknow: no
• 4116[17:13:26] <jelly> er, nevermind that, got scrolled off
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• 4118[17:14:19] <dontknow> jelly, why don't you follow debian?
• 4119[17:14:30] <dontknow> instead you use mozilla version
• 4120[17:14:36] <jelly> hysterical raisins
• 4121[17:14:44] <JuniusBrutus> lol
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• 4125[17:15:30] <dontknow> ._.
• 4126[17:15:34] <epsilon> sorry to the firefox-maintainers to say this, but: the problem of using debian version of firefox is, I always have some fuzzy feeling the browser had some know vulnerabilities which is fixed in the vanilla firefox
• 4127[17:16:07] <dontknow> o.0
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• 4129[17:16:19] <greycat> I'm sure every version of every major GUI web browser has hundreds of security holes just waiting to be found.
• 4130[17:16:30] <dontknow> firefox-esr gets security updates
• 4131[17:16:55] <jelly> epsilon: your fuzzy feeling is incorrect, mozilla upstream fixes security issues in both release and esr, usually at the same time
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• 4136[17:17:58] <jelly> ("release" being the branch they prefer normal users to use, and which requires increasingly arcane tools to even build)
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• 4142[17:20:29] <epsilon> so, I'm not sure about this, you think using debian's firefox-esr is safe enough for daily surfing in web?
• 4143[17:20:33] <dontknow> jelly, can you use firefox release from mozilla?
• 4144[17:20:53] <greycat> Sure, why not?
• 4145[17:21:21] <dontknow> epsilon, yes! even it is better than firefox release
• 4146[17:21:49] <dontknow> because code will remain unchanged and it will get only security updates
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• 4148[17:22:00] <jelly> dontknow: I've been using it for years now.
• 4149[17:22:15] <jelly> it has its own autoupdate
• 4150[17:22:25] <epsilon> greycat: I don't want ot be offensive, please believe me. I just compare of numbers of updates in windows-firefox (very frequent) and debian-firefox-esr (not so often)
• 4151[17:22:36] <dontknow> jelly, but you said you are using esr version
• 4152[17:22:52] <jelly> dontknow: yes. It updated itself from 45.9esr to 52.2esr this week.
• 4153[17:23:10] <greycat> jelly: he was asking about using NON-esr "release"
• 4154[17:23:10] <jelly> just like the one in debian, it made me sad
• 4155[17:23:14] <dontknow> jelly, but i am talking about latest firefox
• 4156[17:23:28] <greycat> those things that they call releases that are really betas
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• 4160[17:23:37] <themill> epsilon: firefox-esr in debian and firefox-esr in windows get updated pretty much as often
• 4161[17:23:46] <jelly> dontknow: I imagine you could unpack that tarball and use it, just like I'm using the esr tarball.
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• 4163[17:24:06] <themill> epsilon: you need to make a fair comparison
• 4164[17:24:15] <epsilon> hm
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• 4168[17:24:21] <jelly> dontknow: if you want auto-updates to work, just make sure it's unpacked as your normal user
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• 4171[17:24:41] <dontknow> ok. i will check out later
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• 4174[17:25:02] <jelly> dontknow: and you need to make your own .desktop file and put it in the righty place if you want it to appear in menus
• 4175[17:25:08] <jelly> right*
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• 4177[17:25:33] <greycat> I believe that place is /usr/share/applications/
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• 4181[17:26:38] <themill> or ~/.local/share/applications/
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• 4186[17:27:20] <jelly> Iguess if you have your own /opt/firefox tree or even ~/firefox/ you probably don't want to pollute packaged namespace for .desktop files
• 4187[17:27:26] <Digz> heh... my debian 9.0 dvd torrents have seeded 24 GB, 14 GB, and 10 GB overnight for DVDs 1 2 and 3...
• 4188[17:27:33] <greycat> Stupid question: why did they make ~/.config and then abandon it and make ~/.local/share?
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• 4190[17:28:08] <jelly> mysterious are the paths of FDO
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• 4192[17:28:23] <jelly> (and really, gnome and redhat)
• 4193[17:28:29] * themill puts that in the same boat as /usr/local/etc)
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• 4195[17:29:18] <jelly> Digz: 34GB of firmware-dvd-1 !
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• 4197[17:30:15] <jelly> but really, it downloaded at 500Mbps or so, there's probably zero reason to leave a slower client seeding
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• 4202[17:30:50] <dontknow> jelly, could you enter about:buildconfg and search for "profile", please? does it include that flag?
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• 4230[17:31:48] <Digz> jelly, with my 1 Gbps upload, I may be helping at least a little bit.... i've seen it seed as high as 50 Mbit/s yesterday for a short while
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• 4277[17:32:44] <hata> nice spam
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• 4280[17:33:00] <Ticho_> I wouldn't go as far as calling it 'nice'
• 4281[17:33:15] <greycat> it's called sarcasm, Ticho_
• 4282[17:33:32] <BluesKaj> it's kinda typical
• 4283[17:34:16] <tremolo> I leave you guys for five minutes...
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• 4286[17:34:54] <celyr> spam level has lowered a lot
• 4287[17:34:55] <redsPL> those spammers almost always highlight me.. lol
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• 4289[17:35:12] <celyr> they used to prank bigpresh or something
• 4290[17:35:25] <somepoortech> how exactly do they think that's going to attract users?
• 4291[17:35:36] <BluesKaj> they highlight everyone in the nick list
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• 4294[17:36:14] <greycat> Firefox ESR releases: 10 (Jan 2012), 17 (Nov 2012), 24 (Sep 2013), 31 (Jul 2014), 38 (May 2015), 45 (Mar 2016), 52 (Mar 2017)
• 4295[17:37:10] <greycat> So... 10 months initially, but 12 months for the last couple.
• 4296[17:37:26] * sim590 thought someone wanted to talk... Realized it was spam. Sigh...
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• 4298[17:37:40] <BluesKaj> gave up on FF ...bloated and becoming reliant on apps i don't want
• 4299[17:38:07] <epsilon> BluesKaj: what's the alternative?
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• 4302[17:38:39] <hata> rizon is getting hit with that same spam now
• 4303[17:38:40] <BluesKaj> epsilon, i use chrome
• 4304[17:38:52] <hata> and simultaneously a big netsplit
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• 4308[17:39:06] <hata> or was that a botnet
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• 4310[17:40:00] <simmaniac> ahhh
• 4311[17:40:07] <hata> must be bots
• 4312[17:40:07] <simmaniac> oops sorry, WW
• 4313[17:40:14] <jelly> greycat: if 1 is a couple, yes
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• 4322[17:41:28] <greycat> jelly: the timeline for 59 also being 12 months, based on the previous image
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• 4324[17:42:05] <jelly> hata: don't comment on spam in here, this channel is for support with specific issues in and around Debian
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• 4326[17:42:34] <hata> not much else happening at the moment
• 4327[17:42:41] <jelly> if you really have a pressing need to,
• 4328[17:42:43] <jelly> !offtopic
• 4329[17:42:43] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 4330[17:42:55] <jelly> hata: does not matter.
• 4331[17:43:14] <greycat> I doubt even #debian-offtopic wants to hear random noise about spam bots
• 4332[17:43:23] <maples1> I've been using Chromium, and yesterday I upgraded my desktop to Stretch. I've been hit by this bug (replaced-url
• 4333[17:43:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 4335[17:43:42] <hata> someone new might be on my ignore list, I'm done
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• 4337[17:44:12] <maples1> I tried putting "export CHOME_DESKTOP=chromium.desktop" in /etc/profile, .xprofile, .profile, and .xsession, and none of them have seemed to work
• 4338[17:44:43] <jelly> maples1: what was that supposed to achieve, and "CHOME" vs "CHROME" ?
• 4339[17:45:19] <maples1> Sorry, that was an IRC typo. I just double-checked, and it's spelled correctly
• 4340[17:45:54] <maples1> Either way, if I open a terminal and run "env", it still doesn't show up. And I still get the message in Chromium
• 4341[17:45:58] <greycat> maples1: how do you login? Through a display manager? Which one? Are you running GNOME, or some other desktop env, or no DE?
• 4342[17:46:11] <maples1> I use lightDM, and my DE is LXDE
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• 4344[17:46:25] <maples1> I also setup autologin, if that makes a difference
• 4345[17:46:26] <greycat> maples1: then you can probably put "export ..." in ~/.xsessionrc (not ~/.xsession)
• 4346[17:46:44] <greycat> maples1: see replaced-url
• 4347[17:46:48] <jelly> oh nice, that's an actual bug
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• 4350[17:47:16] <maples1> That did it. Thanks!
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• 4355[17:48:02] <jelly> unfixed since 2015 :-|
• 4356[17:48:06] <greycat> I still strongly dislike the fact that we can't answer something as simple as "where do I put env vars" without asking multiple questions about desktop environment crap.
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• 4362[17:49:26] <jelly> greycat: there's a need for a RPC API to put new env. vars in some place where they would get applied to all the shells and processes instantaneously without restart.
• 4363[17:49:41] <dunderproto> Is it possible to run debian on a raspberry pi without proprietary software? I've read that raspbian has many blobs
• 4364[17:49:41] <jelly> it could work via dbus!
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• 4367[17:50:18] <jelly> greycat: I bet systemd will have something like that in a year.
• 4368[17:50:23] <maples1> jelly: That's what I thought /etc/profile was for! I'd be OK with logging out and back in, just as long as it *worked*
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• 4371[17:51:35] <jelly> dunderproto: unlikely, if raspbian could have gotten rid of those they would have
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• 4376[17:52:07] <dunderproto> jelly: thanks
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• 4436[18:13:45] <vadimkolchev> flashplugin-nonfree dropped?
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• 4442[18:15:47] <ullf09721> Yes,but still you can dowload from other sources
• 4443[18:16:22] <BCMM> it's still showing as installable for me - what gives?
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• 4445[18:16:34] <BCMM> (on sid)
• 4446[18:16:44] <BCMM> oh, install fails though
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• 4448[18:17:15] <ullf09721> here: replaced-url
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• 4451[18:18:20] <nfr> I have two databases and two webservers running apache+php+docker containers. Every few hours one of the webservers gets completely stuck (I can't login via SSH or tty anymore). Any ideas how to debug this further?
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• 4453[18:18:48] <BCMM> i get it now, the package still exists but the actual flash plugin doesn't download
• 4454[18:19:17] <missmbob> !flash
• 4455[18:19:17] <dpkg> Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. replaced-url
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• 4457[18:19:38] <missmbob> the bug report has a script that works to get flash
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• 4463[18:21:45] <vadimkolchev> is this the reason why it was dropped?
• 4464[18:22:15] <analogical> is there a built-in disk manager in Debian and if so what is it?
• 4465[18:22:27] <missmbob> vadimkolchev: yes
• 4466[18:22:31] <vadimkolchev> strange bug, my system beeps with each letter I input here. No other programs are affected) New feature in Debian 9?)
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• 4469[18:24:04] <tremolo> analogical: I think fdisk is part of a default install, if you're comfortable with that. gparted might not be installed by default, but it's a pretty GUI for managing disks/partitions.
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• 4499[18:35:25] <zerick> Is it possible to get 'sar' info from the current time, not from what is saved in /var/log/sar ?
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• 4503[18:35:44] <iodev> zerick: q: what is sar?
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• 4505[18:36:03] <greycat> system V unix reporting tool
• 4506[18:36:08] <zerick> yup
• 4507[18:36:19] <greycat> "system activity reporter" according to "man sar" on HP-UX
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• 4514[18:38:50] <iodev> greycat: kinda like journalctl?
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• 4518[18:39:19] <greycat> kinda like vmstat, I always thought, but I never really used sar
• 4519[18:39:28] <samnob> Hi, I love gdebi on the commandline. Instead of the dpkg -i DEB; apt install DEP; dpkg -i DEB loop. I have no interest in the gtk frontend. Is there another command I can use on a small machine to avoid intalling all the X/GTK dependencies?
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• 4522[18:40:05] <iodev> samnob: simple
• 4523[18:40:09] <iodev> make an alias
• 4524[18:40:19] <iodev> from gdebi to dpkg -i
• 4525[18:40:46] <iodev> or write a /usr/bin/gdebi script with bash samnob
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• 4528[18:41:52] <jelly> samnob: it doesn't have to be a loop at all. You can do: "dpkg -i DEB", and when it fails, just do "apt-get -f install"
• 4529[18:42:23] <samnob> I was hoping apt-get, apt or other had added local .deb install support while I wasn't paying attention.
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• 4531[18:42:57] <tremolo> Is apt preferable to apt-get?
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• 4535[18:43:18] <samnob> jelly: that could work. I can even put it in ~iodev/bin/gdebi ;)
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• 4537[18:43:48] <jelly> so basically dpkg -i "$@" || apt-get -f install
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• 4539[18:43:56] <samnob> tremolo: I've been telling people to put apt-get in scripts and use apt if you're in front of the console watching.
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• 4541[18:44:07] <iodev> samnob: no need to make an iodev folder on your PC :D
• 4542[18:44:42] <greycat> The main difference between apt and apt-get is apt deletes the .deb files in the cache by default, and apt-get doesn't.
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• 4544[18:44:53] <ForceRecon> Afternoon
• 4545[18:45:04] <jelly> samnob: but then, sometimes apt-get -f install can't figure out missings deps and aptitude -f install can
• 4546[18:45:05] <samnob> iodev: too late I've made you a local user and put you in the wheel group.
• 4547[18:45:13] <jelly> samnob: A-HA
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• 4550[18:45:39] <iodev> samnob: that means I get to psudo(pseudo)-hack :D
• 4551[18:45:47] <jelly> CLEARLY you're not an experienced Debian user, else you'd know it's "sudo" group in this part of the playground!
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• 4553[18:45:55] <tremolo> I've always just used apt-get/apt-cache/whatever, but I've seen apt mentioned a few times and wasn't familiar.
• 4554[18:46:02] <jelly> (debian has no wheel)
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• 4556[18:46:31] * iodev quickly groups!
• 4557[18:46:34] <jelly> tremolo: it has... a PROGRESS BAR
• 4558[18:46:47] <jelly> what luxury
• 4559[18:46:52] <iodev> cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev
• 4560[18:46:52] <greycat> And yellow text that you can't read on a white tty background!
• 4561[18:46:54] <tremolo> fancy
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• 4563[18:46:58] <iodev> no wheel :'(
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• 4565[18:47:33] <jelly> iodev: corollary: also, no third wheel
• 4566[18:48:11] <iodev> third wheel?
• 4567[18:48:13] <samnob> Yeah apt makes those of us who spend too much time making sure we have 256 color support on the console and xterms working happy, but is mostly just candy.
• 4568[18:48:29] <BluesKaj> jelly, but no coloured cli prompt on my laaptop, something needs enabling
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• 4570[18:49:03] <jelly> BluesKaj: step 1) echo /bin/zsh | chsh
• 4571[18:49:15] * jelly hides
• 4572[18:49:22] <greycat> step 0) install zsh?
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• 4574[18:49:43] <samnob> iodev: you'll always be in the wheel group of my heart ❤
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• 4578[18:51:25] <iodev> samnob: don't get too weird
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• 4598[18:59:40] <analogical> are all three DVDs necessary for installation?
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• 4601[18:59:50] <alecov> analogical: No.
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• 4603[19:00:07] <analogical> how many do I need?
• 4604[19:00:20] <greycat> !netinst
• 4605[19:00:21] <dpkg> it has been said that netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 4606[19:00:21] <jelly> analogical: one netinst image and a stable internet connection is enough
• 4607[19:00:23] <iodev> analogical: just get the neinst!
• 4608[19:00:25] <iodev> *netinst
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• 4610[19:00:46] <analogical> I don't want to use the netinst
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• 4612[19:01:01] <jelly> analogical: do you have a stable internet connection at installation time?
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• 4614[19:01:07] <analogical> nope
• 4615[19:01:15] <jelly> then get dvd-1
• 4616[19:01:19] <iodev> analogical: ahh, I see
• 4617[19:01:20] <analogical> ok
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• 4622[19:01:45] <jelly> if the machine is a laptop or something else that needs non-free firmware,
• 4623[19:01:59] <jelly> !firmware images
• 4624[19:01:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
• 4625[19:02:24] <jelly> the image under replaced-url
• 4626[19:03:22] <iodev> jelly: hmm, my PC always managed to netinst even without firmware-realtek, it complained, but worked :-)
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• 4629[19:04:54] <jelly> iodev: doesn't sound like a laptop!
• 4630[19:05:01] <samnob> iodev: was the install via the realtek nic? Or was it happening via another interface?
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• 4634[19:05:27] <iodev> samnob: realtek r8169
• 4635[19:05:33] <iodev> on a desktop PC
• 4636[19:05:42] <iodev> gigabyte mb ga-f2a88xm-ds2
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• 4640[19:06:46] <greycat> wired NICs that need firmware may still work (less efficiently) without it
• 4641[19:07:11] <iodev> greycat: wifi instead needed firmware-ralink badly! (Ralink not realtek)
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• 4643[19:07:36] <iodev> anyway, after I got it installed, I installed the wired NIC's firmware
• 4644[19:07:39] <dontknow> r8169 works without any firmware
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• 4646[19:08:17] <iodev> dontknow: yeah, I've had 2 board with this chip till now, both worked
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• 4648[19:08:28] <greycat> My home PC loads rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw for something that has "r8169" in front of it
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• 4651[19:08:49] <iodev> greycat: r8169 supports a whole lot of NICs
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• 4654[19:09:02] <iodev> like r8188, r8106, r....
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• 4657[19:09:13] <iodev> I think I may have 88
• 4658[19:09:30] <jelly> greycat: and it may get tcp checksum offload and some other stuff for that! which linux doesn't use by default because chips often buggy
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• 4661[19:09:45] <iodev> greycat: nope I have r8168: [ 11.118551] r8169 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw
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• 4663[19:10:02] <Ke> is there a way to see why aptitude is not automatically cleaning a particular package?
• 4664[19:10:15] <jelly> Ke: aptitude why packagename
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• 4670[19:10:58] <Ke> i A man-db Suggests replaced-url
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• 4672[19:11:20] <Ke> jelly: yeah, seems to work, was not expecting manpages to want firefox-esr
• 4673[19:11:45] <Ke> I guess it would be ok with elinks or something
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• 4675[19:11:56] <jelly> Ke: Suggest isn't followed automatically. Perhaps this firefox-esr thing was installed manually
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• 4677[19:12:13] <jelly> Suggests*
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• 4681[19:12:40] <Ke> is there a way to cleanup suggests, deborphan does not seem to be doing enough
• 4682[19:13:18] <Ke> APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false";
• 4683[19:13:20] <Ke> perhaps
• 4684[19:13:27] <jelly> does anything change if you apt-mark auto firefox-esr ?
• 4685[19:13:38] <Ke> it's marked auto
• 4686[19:13:45] <jelly> drat
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• 4688[19:13:56] <greycat> what if you install some other web browser?
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• 4690[19:14:34] <jelly> I'd probably just remove it manually, it's not an answer to your question tho
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• 4692[19:14:55] <Ke> that should probably work, though I am trying to create moderately reproducible state based on manually installed packages (not marked auto)
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• 4694[19:15:14] <jelly> !aptitude clone
• 4695[19:15:15] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 4696[19:15:17] <greycat> why not "dpkg --get-selections"
• 4697[19:15:18] <jelly> like that?
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• 4700[19:15:52] <Ke> jelly: well also the data needs to be human-readable
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• 4702[19:16:11] <greycat> ... why?
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• 4704[19:16:25] <jelly> Ke: and a file containing a list of package nanes... isn't?
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• 4706[19:16:28] <Ke> because I want to maintain it in git etc.
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• 4708[19:16:35] <Ke> just like I do everything else
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• 4720[19:19:38] <Ke> jelly: also that clone thing is apparently exactly what I was already doing and was not wroking
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• 4728[19:20:09] <greycat> And by "not working" you mean "It's reproducing what I have, not what I wish I had"?
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• 4730[19:20:31] <Ke> greycat: it's reproducing what I wish I had, not what I had
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• 4732[19:21:10] * greycat shrugs and continues never using aptitude, and did you try "dpkg --get-selections" yet?
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• 4735[19:22:54] <iodev> greycat: I don't like aptitude either!
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• 4737[19:23:35] <jelly> Ke: that ~i makes sure the list only has what's actually installed
• 4738[19:23:52] <greycat> I feel like an enormous effort has gone into trying to make "apt-get install gnome" be reversible, and the results don't work, and are simply confusing.
• 4739[19:24:38] <Ke> you can always get state by dpkg -l + aptitude search !~M~i >> apt install + aptitude markauto + aptitude unmarkauto
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• 4741[19:25:07] <Ke> I guess what I want is to never have suggested and recommended packages
• 4742[19:25:16] <Ke> replaced-url
• 4743[19:25:19] <jelly> greycat: apt/aptitude do not keep track of _which_ package pulled in an optional (Recommends or Suggests) dependency. Patches welcome?
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• 4745[19:25:45] <iodev> greycat: well, gnome is soooo big
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• 4747[19:26:11] <jelly> no state will give you that. Maybe keeping all dpkg and apt* logs forever and parsing those.
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• 4750[19:28:09] <Ke> I guess I still would not have a solution for switching firefox to a more minimalistic browser, when firefox is no longer wanted
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• 4753[19:28:42] <Ke> if it's actually needed, not just suggested
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• 4755[19:29:07] <jelly> there's basically two web browsers with security support, and both are rather heavy
• 4756[19:29:36] <jelly> I'm... not sure replacing a firefox with a chromium would make much of a difference
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• 4758[19:30:26] <jelly> other stuff either doesn't work on modern web, or isn't patched up, or both
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• 4762[19:31:18] <teraflops> Ke: I like qutebrowser, there's no debian package yet, but it's relatively easy to install
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• 4768[19:32:18] <volodim> 4
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• 4778[19:36:20] <Ke> jelly: yup, really depends on, why someone wants a browser, remember that there are about 2 people on this channel that have ever seen non-dead code on an executable, compilers are just not clever enough to omit everything
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• 4782[19:36:46] <Ke> man-db does not really require a browser the way I use it
• 4783[19:36:54] <Ke> I have no idea, what is that way
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• 4786[19:37:34] <greycat> Maybe it's for those 2% of man pages that say "see replaced-url
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• 4789[19:38:28] <Ke> IIRC when I saw a presentation about bloat, it had some examples and I think the amount of dead code was more than 80%, but my memory is really bad and their coverage obviously was not exchaustive
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• 4794[19:42:00] <jelly> perhaps you can whip up a clever way to list packages marked auto which are only suggested by something and not recommended or depended on
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• 4798[19:43:01] <greycat> It doesn't sound too bad until you remember that A can depend on B which recommends C which suggests C which ...
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• 4802[19:43:41] <jelly> maintainer of C should get off drugs then, probably
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• 4804[19:44:52] <alekz> lol
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• 4819[19:51:12] <Ke> jelly: the askubuntu I pasted seems to have helped
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• 4822[19:52:24] <Ke> my installed size from old system is still twice the size of of fresh debootstrap with same packages
• 4823[19:52:58] <Ke> supposedly same, I am just pasting commands from the internet and running them as root
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• 4833[19:58:29] <toruvinn> anyone remembers when wheezy's support ends?
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• 4835[19:58:55] <greycat> !wheezy lts
• 4836[19:58:56] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
• 4837[19:58:57] <toruvinn> oh, dpkg remembers
• 4838[19:59:10] <toruvinn> 2018, thank you, greycat.
• 4839[19:59:25] <jelly> less than a year left
• 4840[19:59:38] <toruvinn> well it's just my home box
• 4841[19:59:39] <Violinist> hay
• 4842[19:59:43] <Violinist> oh i am back
• 4843[19:59:46] <Ke> at least you can skip jessie now
• 4844[19:59:54] <greycat> Not literally.
• 4845[19:59:54] <toruvinn> but since i'm leaving for quite some time, might be a good idea to upgrade it. i just fear s2disk would break or something. ;-)
• 4846[19:59:57] <Violinist> hay guys
• 4847[20:00:04] <jelly> Ke: no you can't
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• 4850[20:00:22] <greycat> You can upgrade to jessie, then immediately to stretch, but you can't skip.
• 4851[20:00:23] <ForceRecon> proper way to install nvidia drivers?
• 4852[20:00:23] <Ke> =oP
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• 4854[20:00:35] <ForceRecon> also states I am not sudo
• 4855[20:00:46] <Ke> just running that single command is the trivial part
• 4856[20:00:51] <ForceRecon> how do I get to be sudo and how do I install latest nvidia drivers
• 4857[20:00:57] <greycat> ForceRecon: depends on the chipset. lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 4858[20:00:57] <Ke> fixing everything that breaks is the hard part
• 4859[20:01:12] <ForceRecon> says I need to stop x
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• 4861[20:01:14] <greycat> And you don't ever want "latest" anything.
• 4862[20:01:22] <greycat> Whatever you are doing, stop.
• 4863[20:01:27] <ForceRecon> well lets just try and get my pc out of laptop mode
• 4864[20:01:29] <ForceRecon> okay
• 4865[20:01:35] <ForceRecon> okay as in I will stop
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• 4867[20:01:53] <jelly> ForceRecon: what does say that? do not use nvidia's own installer
• 4868[20:02:02] <ForceRecon> okay
• 4869[20:02:11] <ForceRecon> so I am sitting looking at fresh install..
• 4870[20:02:21] <greycat> lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 4871[20:02:24] <ForceRecon> I am not part of sudo and had to run as su
• 4872[20:02:31] <ForceRecon> I will type that.. 6 ft from pc
• 4873[20:02:34] <jelly> ForceRecon: which coom,and said " need to stop x"?
• 4874[20:02:47] <Violinist> guys i found the tree colapse
• 4875[20:02:49] <ForceRecon> downloaded nvidia drivers for linux
• 4876[20:02:52] <Violinist> in nautilus
• 4877[20:03:00] <ForceRecon> uncompressed, stopped told me to stop x
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• 4879[20:03:18] <greycat> You downloaded something *from* nvidia.com. Don't use that.
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• 4881[20:03:23] <jelly> ForceRecon: good, avoid those on debian
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• 4883[20:03:42] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 4884[20:03:43] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 4885[20:03:43] <sypher> ForceRecon: replaced-url
• 4886[20:03:50] <jelly> ForceRecon: ^^ follow the dkms recipe
• 4887[20:04:22] <jelly> someone messes up the wiki page so often, I've stopped refering to that
• 4888[20:04:29] <sypher> jelly: Noted.
• 4889[20:04:31] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 4892[20:04:52] <forcerecon_> lspci -nn | grep VGA
• 4893[20:04:52] <forcerecon_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] [10de:13c0] (rev a1)
• 4894[20:05:08] <forcerecon_> temp for new PC
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• 4896[20:05:22] <johnfg> All 'normal' upgrades are done on my stretch vm. Do I still need to do some kind of dist-upgrade, or does it automatically go to stable?
• 4897[20:05:28] <forcerecon_> 1 monitor struggling at 1024 LAPTOP mode
• 4898[20:05:35] <greycat> GTK 980 is listed on replaced-url
• 4899[20:05:44] <greycat> err GTX
• 4900[20:06:11] <jelly> ForceRecon: right. Enable contrib and non-free sources, and follow what dpkg said, carefully.
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• 4904[20:06:23] <forcerecon_> wow.. that means nothing to me.. sorry..
• 4905[20:06:39] <forcerecon_> hand holding temporarily please
• 4906[20:06:39] <greycat> on replaced-url
• 4907[20:06:48] <jelly> Checking driver support for PCI ID [10de:13c0]
• 4908[20:06:48] <jelly> Your card is supported by the default drivers.
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• 4910[20:07:09] <jelly> (default nvidia-driver, that output means)
• 4911[20:07:10] <forcerecon_> yeah I have video it says laptop.. 1 screen working.. default install
• 4912[20:07:22] <forcerecon_> so what is my next step
• 4913[20:07:30] <greycat> What problem are you having?
• 4914[20:07:30] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 4915[20:07:31] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 4916[20:07:46] <jelly> forcerecon_: ^^
• 4917[20:07:55] <forcerecon_> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-375.20.run I downloaded that.. get rid of it?
• 4918[20:08:03] <jelly> forcerecon_: it's irrelevant.
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• 4921[20:08:48] <jelly> forcerecon_: you have a desktop card and like 3 monitors right? Or am I confusing you with someone else
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• 4924[20:09:33] <forcerecon_> nope that is me
• 4925[20:09:35] <forcerecon_> 3 monitors
• 4926[20:09:45] <forcerecon_> I wish I could just paste the sources.list here..
• 4927[20:09:47] <jelly> soo... did you enable non-free yet
• 4928[20:09:48] <forcerecon_> make life easier
• 4929[20:09:59] <forcerecon_> let me show you what I have.. take a momnet
• 4930[20:10:00] <forcerecon_> moment
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• 4932[20:10:20] <jelly> don't. If you can't even edit one file, I'll let someone else help
• 4933[20:10:39] <greycat> If it involves making nvidia cards do multiple monitors, it won't be me helping.
• 4934[20:10:59] <jelly> greycat: their drivers now have proper randr support
• 4935[20:11:04] <johnfg> cat /etc/issue is: Debian GNU/Linux 9 \n \l. Am I at the latest release then? No longer testing?
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• 4937[20:11:30] <jelly> johnfg: depends on what's in your sources.list
• 4938[20:12:05] <forcerecon_> how do you take a quick photo of stuff on debian I am so used to doing it remote I have no clue
• 4939[20:12:07] <johnfg> stretch main
• 4940[20:12:17] <greycat> johnfg: then yes, you're on stretch (stable)
• 4941[20:12:26] <johnfg> and stretch/updates main.
• 4942[20:12:34] <johnfg> greycat: jelly: cool!
• 4943[20:12:52] <jelly> johnfg: you're safe if nothing says "testing" or "unstable" or "sid" anywhere, just stretch
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• 4946[20:13:05] <johnfg> My older server, still running jessie, is 32bit, non-pae. Would that still be supported in stretch?
• 4947[20:13:07] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
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• 4951[20:14:08] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon_: Don't use pastebin please.
• 4952[20:14:10] <jhutchins_wk> !paste
• 4953[20:14:11] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 4954[20:14:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 4959[20:14:53] <greycat> dpkg, stretch release notes =~ s/testing/stretch/
• 4960[20:14:54] <dpkg> OK, greycat
• 4961[20:15:18] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
• 4962[20:15:54] <johnfg> greycat: that was for me?
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• 4964[20:16:16] <jelly> forcerecon_: read those lines. Do you already have "contrib" and "non-free" next to "main" in all the lines that have "main"?
• 4965[20:16:37] <greycat> if you're the one asking which i386 machines are supported, yes, see the stretch release notes. Especially section 5.1.7
• 4966[20:16:43] <forcerecon_> yeah looks that way
• 4967[20:17:01] <jelly> forcerecon_: then read what dpkg said about "!non-free sources"
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• 4970[20:17:30] <jelly> forcerecon_: > ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update».
• 4971[20:17:32] <johnfg> jelly: Thanks, will do.
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• 4974[20:17:52] <forcerecon_> I read that.. what is aptitude update.. run aptitude and update?
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• 4978[20:17:58] <forcerecon_> why not just terminal update
• 4979[20:18:03] <forcerecon_> but okay
• 4980[20:18:04] <greycat> It's a command with two words in it.
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• 4983[20:18:21] <greycat> "terminal update" is not the same command and will not work.
• 4984[20:18:31] <greycat> it has to be "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" or "apt update"
• 4985[20:18:46] <forcerecon_> aptitude update does not run from terminal
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• 4987[20:18:54] <greycat> You are a liar or an idiot.
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• 4991[20:19:06] <jelly> johnfg: sorry, I haven't said anything for you after <jelly> johnfg: you're safe if nothing says "testing" or "unstable" or "sid" anywhere, just stretch
• 4992[20:19:06] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon_: Yes it does.
• 4993[20:19:08] <tremolo> or doesn't have aptitude installed
• 4994[20:19:11] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
• 4995[20:19:14] <forcerecon_> qhoopa
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• 4997[20:19:22] <forcerecon_> orcerecon is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
• 4998[20:19:26] <greycat> If it gives "bash: aptitude: command not found" then try apt-get update instead.
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• 5002[20:19:57] <greycat> Become root however you normally become root. sudo or su.
• 5003[20:20:06] <forcerecon_> this was my first issue.. I am not in sudoers
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• 5005[20:20:07] <johnfg> jelly: Ok, running that script gave me an ok, so I'll plan to dist-upgrade to stretch.
• 5006[20:20:15] <forcerecon_> I tried sudo you want me to do su
• 5007[20:20:21] <jelly> dpkg, non-free sources =~ s/aptitude/apt-get/
• 5008[20:20:21] <dpkg> jelly: OK
• 5009[20:20:22] <greycat> Do whatever you normally do.
• 5010[20:20:38] <johnfg> jelly: Yup got it, thanks.
• 5011[20:20:44] <forcerecon_> I would prefer to be in sudoers as that is what I normally do.. how do I add myself to sudoers
• 5012[20:20:52] <forcerecon_> and why would I not be in there already.
• 5013[20:20:55] <forcerecon_> seems odd
• 5014[20:20:59] <forcerecon_> I was under jessie
• 5015[20:21:02] <greycat> forcerecon_: "adduser $LOGNAME sudo" to put yourself into the sudo group, then log out and back in.
• 5016[20:21:02] <johnfg> forcerecon_: visudo, and add yourself.
• 5017[20:21:08] <jelly> johnfg: if you want to do a release upgrade from jessie to stretch, make sure to read stretch release notes first
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• 5019[20:21:17] <jelly> johnfg: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
• 5020[20:21:21] <johnfg> jelly: Yup.
• 5021[20:21:26] <jhutchins_wk> Doesn't Debian usually use the sudo group and add users to that?
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• 5023[20:21:32] <forcerecon_> how can I add myself to sudo if I am not in sudo.. don't I need to be SU to add me to sudo
• 5024[20:21:39] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: no, not unless you do crazy shit during the installer
• 5025[20:21:57] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: err, I mean, it doesn't do that by default* unless you do crazy shit during install
• 5026[20:22:10] <greycat> forcerecon_: use su
• 5027[20:22:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I think the last time I ran the installer it explained that it would set up sudo if I didn't set a root password.
• 5028[20:22:34] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: "crazy" means "accidentally or intentionally give installer an empty password for root when it asks"
• 5029[20:22:35] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: yes, that would qualify under crazy shit.
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• 5031[20:22:59] <forcerecon_> loging out
• 5032[20:23:03] * jelly translated greycat to English
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• 5035[20:23:17] <leibniz> hey whats up i'm having trouble connecting via ssh to my box from my laptop or my phone
• 5036[20:23:39] <leibniz> how do i check to see if they are being blocked by a firewall or something
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• 5041[20:24:08] <jhutchins_wk> leibniz: Start by telling us what happens. Did you use the -v options to increase verbosity?
• 5042[20:24:21] <greycat> Start by telling us what happens *WITHOUT -v*
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• 5044[20:24:34] <leibniz> so i just was chillin last night and i tried to connect to ssh and it's just timing out
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• 5046[20:24:40] <greycat> OK.
• 5047[20:24:48] <leibniz> but when i connect to my other box and try to connect to it it's good
• 5048[20:24:51] <greycat> Can you ping the machine?
• 5049[20:24:56] <forcerecon_> so I did the apt-get update.. really nothing happened
• 5050[20:25:08] <leibniz> yea the machine is funtioning
• 5051[20:25:27] <greycat> leibniz: if you can ping A from B, but "ssh A" from B times out, that is definitely a firewall.
• 5052[20:25:31] <johnfg> Is it a 'safe' assumption, that since I have no problem with openldap, openafs, kerberos on my stretch vm that there won't be any trouble in the dist-upgrade?
• 5053[20:25:44] <jelly> johnfg: no :-)
• 5054[20:25:44] <johnfg> of jessie->stretch?
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• 5056[20:26:04] <jelly> read the release notes, they list known caveats.
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• 5058[20:26:06] <forcerecon_> running in software rendering mode.. just fyi
• 5059[20:26:18] <johnfg> I've got them up now...
• 5060[20:26:26] <jelly> johnfg: but the release is fresh, so not all the issues are known yet!
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• 5062[20:26:47] <leibniz> no
• 5063[20:26:50] <leibniz> wait
• 5064[20:26:57] <johnfg> I should add openvpn in there too.
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• 5069[20:27:15] <leibniz> no it's ping timing out
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• 5071[20:27:39] <leibniz> so i cant connect to the server with my home ip or ping the server with my home ip
• 5072[20:27:40] <jelly> johnfg: each of those may get a newer version that requires 0 to lots of config changes
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• 5077[20:28:06] <leibniz> but i can ping and connect to it from a different srver
• 5078[20:28:08] <leibniz> :O
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• 5084[20:29:23] <jhutchins_wk> leibniz: Is the other server on a different network?
• 5085[20:29:34] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
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• 5090[20:30:16] <johnfg> I know with other distros, there have been times when, e.g., openldap took a major amount of changing, as the distro hadn't kept up with the latest.
• 5091[20:30:37] <jelly> leibniz: if it's in the same network segment, ping it. look at "arp -an" on the client where you're unable to connect from. Note the MAC address associated with the IP address of your ssh server. Now verify the MAC address for the interface on the (console of the) ssh server matches the one your ssh clients saw.
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• 5093[20:31:07] <jelly> ,v slapd
• 5094[20:31:08] <judd> Package: slapd on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4.31-2+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.4.31-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 2.4.31+really2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 2.4.44+dfsg-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; sid: 2.4.44+dfsg-5; buster: 2.4.44+dfsg-5
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• 5096[20:31:42] <jelly> johnfg: who can say what the openldap people changed from 2.4.40 to 2.4.44
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• 5099[20:32:08] <jelly> and what debian maintainer built contrary to the upstream's wishes
• 5100[20:32:09] <johnfg> jelly: they can :-) And some of them maintain the release, I think, for debian.
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• 5108[20:33:01] <jelly> (like gnutls that basically only debian uses)
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• 5112[20:34:01] <johnfg> jelly: At least far better than what's on centos/fedora!
• 5113[20:34:40] <jelly> johnfg: one good thing about debian packaging is, if you install apt-listchanges and choose to see NEWS.Debian, you can see changes the maintainer deemed important enough, before the actual package upgrade
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• 5116[20:35:12] <johnfg> jelly: I don't think I do, but I'll install right now.
• 5117[20:35:41] <jelly> (so you probably ought to have apt-listchanges installed on at least one system if you have a dozen similar systems, and try patching up there first)
• 5118[20:35:45] <forcerecon_> sudo aptitude update did nothing
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• 5121[20:36:02] <jelly> forcerecon_: did it have no output?
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• 5123[20:36:17] <johnfg> It is, but does the NEWS show up automatically, kinda like gentoo?
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• 5126[20:36:42] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
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• 5128[20:37:10] <jelly> johnfg: if you pick default settings, NEWS get shown from inside apt, and you get one final question whether to continue or not, after reading those
• 5129[20:37:33] <jelly> answering no aborts apt/apt-get/aptitude
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• 5132[20:38:28] <johnfg> Ok, I've probably looked at and read it without even realizing.
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• 5135[20:38:32] <jelly> forcerecon_: that isn't "did nothing", that's "did its job"
• 5136[20:38:49] <forcerecon_> okay.. so.. how does this get me a video driver
• 5137[20:39:07] <jelly> forcerecon_: now you can continue with the dkms recipe.
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• 5139[20:39:12] <jelly> again:
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• 5141[20:39:15] <forcerecon_> that what???
• 5142[20:39:16] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
• 5143[20:39:17] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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• 5147[20:39:36] * FlyingNun doubledutch
• 5148[20:39:57] <forcerecon_> am I suppose to copy that?
• 5149[20:39:59] <tremolo> ForceRecon: That updates apt so it knows what's available in the configured repositories. Basically the second half of enabling the non-free sources.
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• 5151[20:40:02] <jelly> forcerecon_: open a root shell (sudo -i, or su -), if you have none opened already, then run the whole huge command between « and »
• 5152[20:40:06] <greycat> jelly: it's gonna be FUN when he tries to slap sudo in front of echo -e ... > file
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• 5156[20:41:00] <jelly> forcerecon_: that means copy/pasting or typing it down reaaaaaly carefully
• 5157[20:41:19] <forcerecon_> how the hell do you people know this
• 5158[20:41:23] <forcerecon_> what the hell
• 5159[20:41:36] <jelly> someone's written it down for us
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• 5161[20:41:52] <jelly> that's what dpkg's factoids are for, to help with various tech issues
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• 5163[20:42:08] <forcerecon_> okay.. well says I have a conflict and need to reboot.. any advice
• 5164[20:42:10] * jelly actually doesn't know anything
• 5165[20:42:20] <jelly> forcerecon_: read further.
• 5166[20:42:33] <jelly> what does dpkg say after the « » command
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• 5170[20:42:54] <forcerecon_> Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
• 5171[20:42:59] <jelly> yeah.
• 5172[20:43:06] <jelly> so...
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• 5174[20:43:10] <forcerecon_> whats gonna happen
• 5175[20:43:13] <alekz> lol
• 5176[20:43:17] <forcerecon_> does it just work
• 5177[20:43:19] <greycat> Magic.
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• 5179[20:43:34] <leibniz> could it be manjaro?
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• 5181[20:43:45] <jelly> You're probably going to restart the system, and that will stop free driver from loading, and enable non-free driver to work
• 5182[20:43:49] <alekz> forcerecon_: are you still working in your own OS?
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• 5184[20:44:00] <jelly> forcerecon_: if you DARE!
• 5185[20:44:04] <leibniz> i cannot connect via ssh from my phone or my laptop
• 5186[20:44:12] <forcerecon_> still building initial module for xxxx
• 5187[20:44:12] <leibniz> i have to connect to a external server than to my ssh
• 5188[20:44:16] <leibniz> it's very annoyinh
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• 5190[20:44:27] <alekz> leibniz: lot of info missing in your query
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• 5193[20:44:55] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
• 5194[20:44:59] <jelly> forcerecon_: it's supposed to Just Work™ yes, that's why someone wrote it down, as a recipe
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• 5196[20:45:07] <leibniz> so last night when i tried to connect to my debian server from my laptop i couldln't connect said "timed out" but then i goto my other box and it connects just fine
• 5197[20:45:30] <greycat> leibniz: so you're saying you cannot connect from A to B, but you *can* connect from C to B.
• 5198[20:45:40] <leibniz> yea
• 5199[20:45:43] <leibniz> so b is up
• 5200[20:45:44] <leibniz> it's running
• 5201[20:45:46] <forcerecon_> should I rerun it?
• 5202[20:45:47] <greycat> What networks are A, B and C on? How are they related to each other?
• 5203[20:45:52] <forcerecon_> is that the proper output?
• 5204[20:45:59] <forcerecon_> looks not good
• 5205[20:46:09] <leibniz> well a is my home network and c is my school network
• 5206[20:46:10] <jelly> forcerecon_: that's weird. Did you Ctrl-C while it was running?
• 5207[20:46:17] <leibniz> and b is my server
• 5208[20:46:23] <forcerecon_> not to my knowledge.. rerun
• 5209[20:47:00] <johnfg> jelly: Is there any way to read old news?
• 5210[20:47:01] <jelly> forcerecon_: you can do just dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
• 5211[20:47:25] <greycat> leibniz: is B (the unreachable "server") on the same school network as "C" or something? Why does C have special abilities here?
• 5212[20:47:34] <leibniz> no
• 5213[20:47:34] <jhutchins_wk> leibniz: What network is your sever on?
• 5214[20:47:43] <jelly> johnfg: no, that why you can also let apt-listchanges send them as mail
• 5215[20:47:45] <leibniz> ok so here i'll explain my situation
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• 5217[20:48:26] <leibniz> so i could not connect to ssh from my laptop to my server last night, or this morning, but i can connect from the schools boxes to the server
• 5218[20:48:36] <leibniz> which the school and the server are 100% different
• 5219[20:48:44] <jelly> johnfg: or find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 2 -name 'NEWS.Debian*' -ls and read at your leisure
• 5220[20:48:45] <greycat> dpkg, nvidia dkms =~ s/mkdir/mkdir -p/
• 5221[20:48:46] <dpkg> greycat: OK
• 5222[20:49:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1636
• 5223[20:49:12] <jelly> greycat: if /etc/X11 doesn't exist something else is very wrong
• 5224[20:49:16] <alekz> leibniz: any ping test?
• 5225[20:49:26] <leibniz> no the ping from my computer was inconclusive
• 5226[20:49:26] <greycat> the mkdir -p means it won't fail with an error if the directory already exists
• 5227[20:49:30] <ForceRecon> I am not touching anything over ther till its done.. thanks
• 5228[20:49:30] <jelly> ooh.
• 5229[20:49:34] <leibniz> but the ping from my school was fine
• 5230[20:49:46] <greycat> (in addition to creating parent dirs)
• 5231[20:49:51] <forcerecon_> DKMS: install completed.
• 5232[20:49:51] <forcerecon_> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d’: Permission denied
• 5233[20:49:52] <forcerecon_> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: No such file or directory
• 5234[20:50:05] <greycat> forcerecon_: the ENTIRE THING must be run as root.
• 5235[20:50:21] <greycat> you can't just stick sudo in front of a compound shell command
• 5236[20:50:23] <jelly> forcerecon_: did you open a separate root shell?
• 5237[20:50:25] <forcerecon_> root as in su
• 5238[20:50:30] <greycat> or sudo -i
• 5239[20:50:41] <forcerecon_> so I can do dpkg as su
• 5240[20:50:44] <forcerecon_> let me try
• 5241[20:51:19] <leibniz> no advice?
• 5242[20:51:23] <towo`> you don't need that dpkf command again
• 5243[20:51:32] <towo`> *dpkg
• 5244[20:51:33] <jelly> I could swear I said to open a new interactive root shell
• 5245[20:51:38] <greycat> You did.
• 5246[20:52:00] <jelly> we could have a Waldorf and Statler skit
• 5247[20:52:17] <greycat> leibniz: can your laptop ("A") ssh to *anything* at all?
• 5248[20:52:32] <leibniz> yea
• 5249[20:52:37] <leibniz> i can ssh to my school
• 5250[20:52:46] <leibniz> then i can ssh from my school to my server
• 5251[20:52:51] <leibniz> but i cannot ssh to my server
• 5252[20:52:53] <leibniz> :O
• 5253[20:52:55] <leibniz> or ftp
• 5254[20:53:01] <greycat> How about some other thing that isn't your school or your "server"?
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• 5256[20:53:12] <leibniz> yea
• 5257[20:53:16] <leibniz> i tried my phone
• 5258[20:53:22] <leibniz> to my server
• 5259[20:53:23] <forcerecon_> well well - DKMS: install completed.
• 5260[20:53:23] <greycat> "A" can ssh to everywhere *except* "B"?
• 5261[20:53:23] <forcerecon_> root@JBSPKDT001:/home/forcerecon#
• 5262[20:53:29] <forcerecon_> reboot :)
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• 5264[20:53:33] <leibniz> that's what i'm assuimg
• 5265[20:53:40] <forcerecon_> man you guys are crazy smart
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• 5269[20:54:11] <jelly> no, just crazy
• 5270[20:54:16] <forcerecon_> reboot?
• 5271[20:54:28] <greycat> leibniz: from the laptop "A", what does this give: telnet nethack.alt.org 22
• 5272[20:54:36] <jelly> forcerecon_: if you DARE
• 5273[20:54:44] <forcerecon_> lol.. lets find out
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• 5275[20:54:57] <jelly> and they never heard from him again
• 5276[20:55:02] <greycat> \o/
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• 5278[20:55:45] <leibniz> ptables v1.6.1: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
• 5279[20:55:47] <leibniz> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
• 5280[20:55:51] <leibniz> whoops
• 5281[20:55:54] <greycat> look, a clue!
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• 5283[20:56:04] <jelly> custom kernel?
• 5284[20:56:21] <leibniz> Connected to nethack.alt.org.
• 5285[20:56:23] <leibniz> Escape character is '^]'.
• 5286[20:56:25] <leibniz> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.8
• 5287[20:56:38] <greycat> OK, that's working now. You can go ahead and break out of that.
• 5288[20:56:42] <jelly> ooh, shiny ubuntu ssh service banner
• 5289[20:57:04] <jelly> ^] means control and ]
• 5290[20:57:21] <greycat> ctrl-] q enter
• 5291[20:57:34] <leibniz> i am off of it
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• 5293[20:57:58] <greycat> That was just to check whether "A" can make ssh connections to random machines. Which it can, now that you've fixed that iptables error you had.
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• 5295[20:58:37] <greycat> If you still can't connect from A to B, then it's your iptables setup. Probably.
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• 5301[21:00:26] <ziutek> Hi, i upgraded to stretch and now i have a problem with dangling processes after X logout
• 5302[21:00:53] <ziutek> usually it's gnome-keyring and this printer applet.py
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• 5304[21:02:05] <forcerecon_> holy shit..
• 5305[21:02:07] <forcerecon_> it works!!!
• 5306[21:02:16] <forcerecon_> all monitors.. nice. its a beaut!
• 5307[21:02:24] <analogical> I think that the inclusion of Libre Office is a scandal!
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• 5309[21:02:39] <forcerecon_> I never smile.. but this is fantastic
• 5310[21:02:39] <ziutek> i reproduced this on live cds too.
• 5311[21:02:42] <leibniz> i just did iptables --flush
• 5312[21:02:43] <leibniz> and nothing
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• 5314[21:02:54] <forcerecon_> wow
• 5315[21:03:01] <forcerecon_> let me revel in the moment..
• 5316[21:03:10] <forcerecon_> sigh ( tear in eye )
• 5317[21:03:19] <tr4ck3r> analogical: why?
• 5318[21:04:20] <analogical> unnecessary bloatware! there's other bloatware included too I'm sorry to say.
• 5319[21:04:52] <greycat> analogical: if you don't want it, don't install it
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• 5321[21:05:03] <Iridos> you hadpkg, xdg-open
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• 5323[21:05:18] <Iridos> dpkg, xdg-open
• 5324[21:05:18] <dpkg> Iridos: have you tried replaced-url
• 5325[21:05:18] <tw> ziutek: this look familiar? replaced-url
• 5326[21:05:34] <analogical> greycat, I was never given a choice during the installation
• 5327[21:05:35] <Iridos> meh
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• 5330[21:05:53] <greycat> analogical: lies. You are asked whether you want to install "Standard", "OpenSSH server", "Desktop ...", etc.
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• 5332[21:06:31] <Iridos> I wanted to stop evolution from opening things by default in abiword… and I think it's just using xdg-open
• 5333[21:06:43] <analogical> I'm not lying. Not installing Libre Office wasn't an option.
• 5334[21:07:07] <ziutek> yep, seen this thread. i wonder if anybody has some workaround other than some killall script in crontab
• 5335[21:07:12] <greycat> analogical: If you select only "Standard" or "Standard" + "OpenSSH server", or various other combos, you do not get Libre Office installed.
• 5336[21:07:22] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
• 5337[21:07:47] <analogical> greycat, you're wrong
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• 5339[21:07:49] <tw> ziutek: replies to that bug report suggest a modification to logind.conf to kill all session processes.
• 5340[21:08:08] <greycat> analogical: *plonk*
• 5341[21:08:18] <tw> (this is the thing that kills screen/tmux/dtach/disown/etc.)
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• 5343[21:08:57] <forcerecon_> replaced-url
• 5344[21:09:03] <tw> *login-session processes. I have to be specific because it's not a process-session anymore.
• 5345[21:09:06] <forcerecon_> thanks guys! really.. now I can move forward
• 5346[21:09:07] <forcerecon_> wow
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• 5349[21:10:26] <ziutek> tw: but this will kill screen too, unless i run it with systemd-run --something?
• 5350[21:11:05] <tw> ziutek: tbh, I don't know the specifics, I remember reading about it and pitying gnome users horribly. =(
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• 5353[21:13:31] <ziutek> I don't even use gnome besides the keyring and gvfsd (both are hard to replace)
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• 5355[21:14:07] <jhutchins_wk> Doesn't the advanced installer allow you to select/deselect individual packages?
• 5356[21:14:09] <greycat> My solution to "things persist after I logout" is that I never logout unless I'm gonna reboot anyway.
• 5357[21:14:49] <lovelybac0n> That's some bad advice if I saw it
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• 5359[21:15:04] <Iridos> and there's nearly never reason to reboot, even on single-user systems because there's pm-suspend and pm-hibernate
• 5360[21:15:22] <lovelybac0n> I just lower the systyemd alert time from 90 seconds to 2.
• 5361[21:15:26] <greycat> And therefore rarely any reason to logout. Works for me.
• 5362[21:15:35] <jelly> Iridos: except if a common library or dbus or kernel is upgraded
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• 5364[21:15:59] <Iridos> I did say "nearly never", didn't I
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• 5366[21:16:15] <greycat> Not sure what pm-suspend or pm-hibernate are, or what they have to do with anything. Sounds like some laptop thing. I don't use a laptop.
• 5367[21:16:16] <Iridos> also… your evil little brother may just pull the plug or something
• 5368[21:16:20] <jelly> nearly never translates to about once a month
• 5369[21:16:24] <lovelybac0n> I also reboot for xorg stuff. Good to know it's booting.
• 5370[21:17:12] <jhutchins_wk> lovelybac0n: You used to be able to just restart X, but these days the GUI has crept into the kernel.
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• 5372[21:18:10] <Iridos> ok, so xdg-open opens stuff (for lxde) with pcmanfm … and that decides… well, that was easy … kind of insane… but easy
• 5373[21:18:20] <analogical> I thought Debian was a serious OS but it commes with a buch of silly games installed
• 5374[21:18:50] <tw> Iridos: xdg-mime default <something.desktop> mimetype ; docs are in xdg-utils
• 5375[21:19:10] <jelly> analogical: we also have silly ops that kick you out the channel for no reason at all
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• 5379[21:19:32] *** analogical was kicked by jelly (like so)
• 5380[21:19:32] <forcerecon_> uht oh
• 5381[21:19:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
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• 5383[21:19:56] <Iridos> only… changing the default in pcmanfm now makes xdg-open open .doc in libreoffice instead… but not from evolution, so maybe it didn't use xdg-open… yay.
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• 5385[21:20:23] <jhutchins_wk> I just re-built a system, and I had to install the silly games manually after I built it.
• 5386[21:20:25] <forcerecon_> I once again want to say thanks jelly and greycat and anyone else that helped out
• 5387[21:20:28] <forcerecon_> appreciate it
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• 5389[21:20:46] <forcerecon_> now how to get wifi working ;)
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• 5391[21:20:55] <forcerecon_> wireless ac over here.
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• 5393[21:21:13] <tremolo> woo
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• 5396[21:21:31] <tremolo> It wasn't working out of the box?
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• 5399[21:21:59] <jelly> and the box was a firmware image box, mind you
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• 5402[21:22:46] <ghoti> What do people use for drawing network diagrams these days? I've used Dia for years, but it seems a little stagnant. Is there something new and sexy?
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• 5410[21:24:08] <Iridos> oh, got the solution… if you choose "open with other software" in evolution, that becomes the new default. if you just select the program to open something from the list presented first, it's a one-time thing
• 5411[21:24:54] <Iridos> and so it did its own thing, which coincidentally (or because I maybe chose it that way a long time ago) the same as xdg-open
• 5412[21:24:57] <nigiri> Hello! I'm trying to find out why my bluetooth keyboard doesn't work on the first connection. I have to turn it off and connect it again (after waiting 30 seconds or so), this happens at boot and when I do service restart. hciconfig hci0 down/up do work fine tho
• 5413[21:25:05] <nigiri> I have no clue where to start looking for the cause
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• 5417[21:25:42] <jhutchins_wk> Iridos: I think they both use mime types somehow.
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• 5423[21:26:12] <random_numbers> So, turns out the mounting script + systemd unit works nicely. Better than the crontab hack at least.
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• 5428[21:27:01] <forcerecon_> how do you check if a service is running.. I thought it was systemctl status app service
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• 5430[21:27:24] <random_numbers> systemctl status name.service
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• 5432[21:27:56] <forcerecon_> not used to this response.. it seems like it is in a text file
• 5433[21:28:03] <forcerecon_> states exited, not running
• 5434[21:28:08] <forcerecon_> what does this mean
• 5435[21:28:27] <random_numbers> That the service ran and quit. Depending on the type that can be good behavior, or not.
• 5436[21:28:33] <tw> Iridos: I gave you bad advice, gnome stuff uses gvfs-mime instead of xdg-mime. As far as I know the databases don't synchronize easily.
• 5437[21:28:34] <greycat> Depends on the service. Green text is good, usually.
• 5438[21:29:02] <greycat> Some services just run one time and stop, and they're done, and that's considered a successful launch.
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• 5440[21:29:15] <forcerecon_> I hope I don't get booted for this.. if so I am sorry
• 5441[21:29:17] <forcerecon_> systemctl status tor.service
• 5442[21:29:17] <forcerecon_> ● tor.service - Anonymizing overlay network for TCP (multi-instance-master)
• 5443[21:29:17] <forcerecon_> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/tor.service; enabled; vendor preset: enab
• 5444[21:29:17] <forcerecon_> Active: active (exited) since Tue 2017-06-20 15:23:53 EDT; 3min 41s ago
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• 5446[21:29:28] <Iridos> tw, hm, interesting. I'm not using gnome, but still ^^
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• 5449[21:30:02] <forcerecon_> sorry about that
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• 5451[21:30:15] <greycat> Use replaced-url
• 5452[21:30:27] <jelly> can't tell if that's a green ● or a red ●
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• 5454[21:30:28] <forcerecon_> that seems wrong to me.. usually it says running
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• 5457[21:30:35] <greycat> Personally I'm not familiar with Tor so I can't help you much.
• 5458[21:30:44] <tw> active (exited) is a success.
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• 5460[21:31:09] <Samwan> Hi. I'm having installation issues. The installer is telling me to put the install media into /mount/cdrom. So I opened an additional terminal and mounted the media on /media/cdrom but it won't continue. I checked and the files are now present in the correct directory after mount. Is it a known issue?
• 5461[21:31:34] <random_numbers> Tor is supposed to run as a daemon.
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• 5464[21:31:51] <random_numbers> If there's no tor process left, then no, it's not a good thing.
• 5465[21:31:52] <forcerecon_> tw, really.. I am sure I see running under jessie.. let me check
• 5466[21:32:11] <Samwan> I meant /media, not /mount, obv
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• 5468[21:32:21] <greycat> forcerecon_: if you run the systemctl status command as root, you get extra info (log messages) that doesn't show up when you run it as non-root
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• 5473[21:32:54] <ForceRecon> under jessie - Active: active (running) since Mon 2017-06-19 20:00:01 EDT; 19h ago
• 5474[21:33:20] <greycat> then the log messages may help you figure out why it exited
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• 5476[21:33:22] <ForceRecon> under stretch active (exited)
• 5477[21:33:52] <random_numbers> There's always journalctl...
• 5478[21:34:42] <forcerecon_> not much more with sudo
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• 5483[21:36:50] <random_numbers> Okay what. Take a look at the service source. What the heck?
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• 5487[21:37:10] <random_numbers> If it's the same as what I get with `apt-get source tor` I have no idea how it's doing anything.
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• 5489[21:37:48] <forcerecon_> random_numbers, I know how I can check.. ipleak.net..
• 5490[21:37:51] <random_numbers> Hm. nevermind. Weird filesplit.
• 5491[21:38:13] <forcerecon_> yeah its not running
• 5492[21:38:16] <forcerecon_> odd..
• 5493[21:38:18] <forcerecon_> hmm..
• 5494[21:38:25] <random_numbers> tor@.service is the one that's actually useful. dunno if that file still exists after install.
• 5495[21:38:50] <forcerecon_> gonna connect to tor in oftc.net and see what they have to say
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• 5498[21:39:19] <jelly> wonder why there's a generator, maybe you can run a dozen tors simultaneously?
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• 5502[21:40:03] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon_: ps ax
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• 5505[21:41:30] <jhutchins_wk> One would expect to look at logs (not just journalctl).
• 5506[21:41:50] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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• 5517[21:45:21] <ForceRecon> what is the irc server for freenode not the onion address
• 5518[21:45:48] <greycat> irc.freenode.net
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• 5522[21:47:10] <dax> (irc.freenode.net is an alias to chat.freenode.net)
• 5523[21:47:22] <tw> jelly: I presume it allows you to run multiple independent hidden service or container gateway instances on a single host, which has some merit.
• 5524[21:47:59] <tw> But it's a profound waste of RAM as it has to maintain some huge routing tables per instance.
• 5525[21:48:52] <tw> Maybe it has gotten better, when I was using it in wheezy, it'd easily use 300-400MB per instance.
• 5526[21:49:08] <random_numbers> Relying on systemd for isolation still seems like asking for a config error to screw you over though. I'd recommend libvirt + AppArmor/SELinux before that.
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• 5546[21:58:24] <forcerecon__> I was told to check the status of tor@default.service instead.. this one does show Active (running)
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• 5548[21:58:45] <zuiss1> anyone with lxqt know how to have the panel show only program icons and not window titles?
• 5549[21:58:52] <forcerecon__> still waiting for confirmation though on why on jessie tor.service shows Active (running)
• 5550[21:58:59] <forcerecon__> next item :)
• 5551[21:59:37] <random_numbers> forcerecon__: It says running because it has "RemainAfterExit" set.
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• 5553[22:00:02] <forcerecon__> is this a concern? or something we can change...
• 5554[22:00:08] <random_numbers> Not really a concern.
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• 5556[22:00:30] <forcerecon__> can we get tor browser from debian repository or do we need to download it from Tor?
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• 5559[22:01:04] <random_numbers> Don't know. I go the VM + Tails route anyway.
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• 5573[22:06:26] <forcerecon__> instead of me just asking all the time, How do I search to find out what the name of something is so I can install it from terminal with apt-get?
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• 5575[22:06:41] <forcerecon__> in this case how do I find out what the 64 bit version of Tor browser is in the repo
• 5576[22:06:43] <greycat> apt-cache search
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• 5578[22:06:56] <greycat> you may also need: apt-cache search --names-onlyl
• 5579[22:06:57] <greycat> you may also need: apt-cache search --names-only
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• 5584[22:10:22] <forcerecon__> well apt-cache search tor brings up 8 million things..
• 5585[22:10:28] <forcerecon__> you think torbrowser
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• 5589[22:11:20] <random_numbers> You generally pipe `apt search word` results into `less`.
• 5590[22:11:29] <random_numbers> Or into a file, this enables regexp searching with grep too.
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• 5593[22:11:36] <forcerecon__> im getting it.. thanks.. I just noticed what it does, appreciated
• 5594[22:11:56] <greycat> --names-only also helps enormously in filtering out bogus results once you have a feeling you're on the trail of the package name
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• 5599[22:13:50] <GG_Phyduck> Okay wait somebody send a message to me in this channel
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• 5601[22:14:12] <GG_Phyduck> but i can't seem to find it in the huge backlog of irc messages i have.. if it was important please resend it :)
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• 5603[22:14:56] <greycat> It was a spam bot. Duh.
• 5604[22:15:02] <vadimkolchev> Hi all. Can any1 recommend simple gui task manager/planner for Debian 9?
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• 5614[22:25:32] <random_numbers> vlegout_: The only one I think of is Thunderbird's Calendar/Agenda extension... mainly because every other one I know is CLI-only.
• 5615[22:25:35] <random_numbers> sorry vlegout
• 5616[22:25:40] <random_numbers> @ vadimkolchev
• 5617[22:26:15] <vadimkolchev> random_numbers, could you please advise on good CLI one? Probably will be handy
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• 5619[22:26:56] <random_numbers> vadimkolchev: I'd say org-mode, but for standalone taskwarrior is pretty good too.
• 5620[22:27:14] <vadimkolchev> random_numbers, thank you, will check it
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• 5623[22:27:54] <forcerecon__> ForceRecon: is testing quassel
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• 5637[22:33:15] <vadimkolchev> random_numbers, taskwarrior is cool
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• 5643[22:35:51] <random_numbers> vadimkolchev: Glad to hear it works for you.
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• 5674[22:48:33] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
• 5675[22:48:37] <zleap> hi
• 5676[22:48:50] <NapoleonWils0n> too hot in the uk, sweating like a pig
• 5677[22:49:00] <zleap> yea
• 5678[22:49:12] <zleap> 9:51 and humid and hot
• 5679[22:49:28] <NapoleonWils0n> i swear i got a tan in my sleep
• 5680[22:49:31] <random_numbers> Common feeling.
• 5681[22:49:38] <zleap> i wonder when the new raspbian will be out
• 5682[22:49:44] <random_numbers> I miss <20C winter-time...
• 5683[22:50:12] <NapoleonWils0n> yes we are supposed to miserable
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• 5686[22:50:30] <NapoleonWils0n> sun makes people happy not british at all
• 5687[22:50:38] <zleap> lol
• 5688[22:50:43] <random_numbers> well, it also gives cancer.
• 5689[22:50:51] <NapoleonWils0n> was wondering if anyone uses firefox 54
• 5690[22:51:05] <random_numbers> Jessie users that have the 'security' repo on.
• 5691[22:51:10] <zleap> sun also produces vitamin D
• 5692[22:51:16] <random_numbers> Oh wait, that 52.
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• 5694[22:51:19] <NapoleonWils0n> wondering what firefox vs chroium security is like
• 5695[22:51:28] <zleap> not sure
• 5696[22:51:31] <random_numbers> zleap: A few minutes of exposition a week tend to be enough for Vitamin D metabolization.
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• 5698[22:51:39] <random_numbers> s/exposition/exposure/
• 5699[22:51:51] <zleap> yeah]
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• 5702[22:52:33] <NapoleonWils0n> chromium is a cluster f**k on freebsd, so have to use firefox
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• 5704[22:53:09] <NapoleonWils0n> i see ff 54 has multi cpu support after 8 years of electrolis
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• 5708[22:53:34] <zleap> i saw something the other day on how to enable multicpu support in firefo
• 5709[22:53:37] <zleap> firefox
• 5710[22:53:45] <zleap> not sure where
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• 5712[22:53:55] <NapoleonWils0n> think its enaabled by default in 54 though i may be wrong
• 5713[22:54:20] <random_numbers> replaced-url
• 5714[22:54:26] <zleap> ah
• 5715[22:54:51] <NapoleonWils0n> been using awscli to upload files to amazon s3
• 5716[22:54:56] <NapoleonWils0n> works really well
• 5717[22:55:03] <zleap> if I go out I try to stick to shade and use sunblock
• 5718[22:55:26] <NapoleonWils0n> im bald on top so have to slap factor 50 on my bonce
• 5719[22:55:35] <random_numbers> From htop monitoring I'd have thought firefox already did multi-cpu usage from 45.
• 5720[22:55:46] <NapoleonWils0n> i cant pull off a william hague baseball cap look
• 5721[22:56:04] <random_numbers> zleap: You probably get more than enough from reflection on the ground while driving.
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• 5723[22:56:15] <zleap> yeah
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• 5725[22:57:44] <random_numbers> For those who like me had this odd second of doubt on terminology: replaced-url
• 5726[22:57:49] <random_numbers> And that's my last offtopic post.
• 5727[22:58:18] <zleap> refraction bends light
• 5728[22:58:28] <zleap> like straw in water
• 5729[22:58:37] <greycat> No, gravity bends light.
• 5730[22:58:55] <sypher> Gravity warps space. Light travels in a straight line.
• 5731[22:59:08] <random_numbers> In Space.
• 5732[22:59:16] <zleap> if you put a fill a bowl with oil, and put a small bowl inside the smaller bowl looks like it has vanished
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• 5734[22:59:31] <zleap> gravitational lensing, i know a little about that
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• 5737[22:59:44] <job1> q
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• 5739[23:00:06] <zleap> job1: try /quit if you want to quit (depends on client)
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• 5744[23:02:52] <job1> ?
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• 5749[23:05:29] <random_numbers> Good thing debian patches stuff, because 1.6 would otherwise be a bad idea.
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• 5782[23:19:07] <forcerecon> is there any way to put panels at the bottom of all screens
• 5783[23:19:40] <phogg> masking tape seems likely to work
• 5784[23:19:57] <forcerecon> heh.. yeah thats good
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• 5792[23:22:07] <forcerecon> I can add panels to other screens which is great,, but they do not store the time or any icons when things are open.. everything always goes back to the main screen
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• 5795[23:23:40] <forcerecon> and even if you choose to show icons on all monitors it just stays on the main monitor
• 5796[23:23:44] <forcerecon> just so you guys know
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• 5802[23:26:13] <edj> I've googled and tried command-line stuff - nada. Running stretch. How do I get the KDE Contril Module?
• 5803[23:26:29] <edj> er -- control.
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• 5806[23:26:54] <random_numbers> forcerecon: That's a Desktop Environment specific question. More detail needed.
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• 5816[23:30:59] <ws2k3> is it possible to patch the kernel without reboot? i noticed a package in debian called ksplice
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• 5819[23:31:22] <jordanm> edj: if that's a plama addon, you can install it with discover
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• 5822[23:33:05] <edj> jordanm, discover?
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• 5828[23:35:07] <jordanm> edj: that appears to be what it's called. GUI software manager for KDE
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• 5830[23:35:38] <jordanm> I am not sure what package it's from, it was installed when I upgraded from wheezy
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• 5832[23:36:19] <edj> jordanm, I don't use KDE's manager - use apt-get.
• 5833[23:36:23] <jordanm> plamsa-discover
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• 5835[23:36:42] <edj> jordanm, Oh OK - Thanks
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• 5842[23:39:56] <forcerecon> how do you get to the screensaver settings on jessie
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• 5847[23:41:57] <forcerecon> I can't seem to find it any more.. I know I set it up but it is gone now
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• 5869[23:42:42] <Tsutsukakushi> pls
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• 5885[23:48:07] <bolt> having issues with a debian stretch chroot. when attempting to run "apt-get update", i get "MO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010" a bunch of times. the chroot does have debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed. what could be the issue?
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• 5891[23:49:44] <ws2k3> is it possible to patch the kernel without reboot? i noticed a package in debian called ksplice
• 5892[23:49:57] <pav> bolt: did you try apt instead of apt-get ?
• 5893[23:50:06] <forcerecon> anyone have any luck installing steam on debian
• 5894[23:50:20] <bolt> pav: same thing
• 5895[23:50:24] <forcerecon> with stretch has anything changed from wiki.debian.org
• 5896[23:50:31] <bolt> pav: well, same result anyway
• 5897[23:50:36] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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• 5899[23:51:55] <jordanm> forcerecon: should still be fine, just s/jessie/stretch/g
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• 5902[23:53:38] <TomG2> forcerecon, xscreensaver command to bring up screen saver prefs.
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• 5904[23:53:49] <glick> hi
• 5905[23:53:55] <glick> is anyone running buster?
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• 5907[23:55:40] <forcerecon> TomG2: that does not seem to work on jessie for me..
• 5908[23:55:46] <glick> buster or testing?
• 5909[23:55:47] <forcerecon> does not know the command
• 5910[23:56:03] <TomG2> okay then try under your GNOME prefs
• 5911[23:56:05] <glick> buster is the new testing right?
• 5912[23:56:10] <TomG2> somewhere. sorry I have to go now :)
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• 5922[23:58:04] <pav> ws2k3: you should take a look at replaced-url
• 5923[23:59:12] <forcerecon> TomG2: thanks I will keep looking
• 5924[23:59:21] <forcerecon> what is the best way to install the libc.so.6
• 5925[23:59:36] <forcerecon> 32 bit libraries and is it safe
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