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• 8[00:06:21] <davis> NetTerminalGene: I can as well, if I make my browser window small so that its not near the edge of the X11 display boundary
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• 10[00:07:24] <davis> the problem happens when I grab a large window which is near the boundary of the display. the window manager automatically resizes the tab window, since when i grab it, it lifts it and since its near the boundary it auto enlarges it and drops it.
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• 15[00:09:34] <Shun131> ladderff: I would disable suspend-to-RAM on the server and write a short script that runs as a cron job which suspends the server when there are no active shares. Just using netstat and grep. I can msg you the URL of how it’s been done. Then Wake-on-LAN to turn it on if needed. (if that is your setup)
• 16[00:10:01] <hxmuller> to reload udev rules in the past, we used 'udevadm control --reload-rules'. does systemctl restart udev accomplish the same thing?
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• 19[00:15:14] <ladderff> Shun131: Thanks, I'll take a look. I don't know how keen I am to disable suspend now that systemd finally seems to have a sensible way to control it (good riddance to pm-suspend!)
• 20[00:16:03] <ladderff> wakeonlan is working fine so that's good. I was also considering autofs, but the main issue isn't getting it to wake up, it's getting it to stay up
• 21[00:16:19] <Shun131> Great, the link I sent you somehow resets some timer.
• 22[00:16:20] <ladderff> which is why I don't quite see what's so great about autofs at least in this context...
• 23[00:17:12] <Shun131> using xset s reset
• 24[00:17:13] <ladderff> Thanks for the link
• 25[00:17:18] <ladderff> yeah, I saw that one in my googling
• 26[00:17:34] <ladderff> however that's just never going to suspend, unless I program the client to unmount the share, right?
• 27[00:18:10] <Shun131> indeed, no shares must be active
• 28[00:18:36] <Shun131> otherwise it can’t know
• 29[00:19:22] <Shun131> i think that link would do what you need
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• 31[00:21:08] <ladderff> Shun131 so I need a way to unmount the share on the client after use
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• 34[00:21:22] <ladderff> hmmph. this is getting messy
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• 36[00:21:44] <Shun131> How are you using the share on the client exactly?
• 37[00:22:14] <ladderff> Photos mostly
• 38[00:22:30] <Shun131> Normally the user unmounts a share by unmounting in the GUI
• 39[00:22:44] <ladderff> I have it as an fstab entry
• 40[00:22:57] <Shun131> Ah, you run a script on the client?
• 41[00:23:12] <Shun131> the client?
• 42[00:23:38] <ladderff> no i just have the usual fstab entry which works fine, I wake the server when I need access to the files
• 43[00:23:48] <Shun131> You could take it out of fstab and just mount and umount, right?
• 44[00:23:57] <ladderff> I could
• 45[00:24:11] <ladderff> hmm
• 46[00:24:16] <ladderff> yeah maybe that's the way to go
• 47[00:24:20] <Shun131> Because fstab is always-on, AfAIK
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• 49[00:24:37] <ladderff> well it just mounts the filesystems listed there at boot
• 50[00:24:41] <ladderff> i think that's all
• 51[00:25:01] <Shun131> ok, so it depends on if you need the share right after boot or not
• 52[00:25:13] <Shun131> true
• 53[00:25:44] <ladderff> yeah, I could put noauto in the fstab
• 54[00:25:58] <ladderff> and then I could write a mount script that wraps a command
• 55[00:25:58] <Shun131> yeah, saves server uptime
• 56[00:26:11] <ladderff> wakes the server, inhibits suspend,
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• 58[00:26:15] <Shun131> sounds nice
• 59[00:26:19] <ladderff> then unmounts the share
• 60[00:26:19] <ladderff> ok
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• 62[00:26:54] <Shun131> and then do the thing on the server thats outlined in the link
• 63[00:26:57] <ladderff> yeah
• 64[00:27:06] <ladderff> so when it's unmounted the thing will put itself to sleep
• 65[00:27:14] <Shun131> exactly
• 66[00:27:23] <ladderff> now ftw I should be able to have this run any time I access the mountpoint
• 67[00:27:23] <ladderff> but
• 68[00:27:29] <ladderff> inotify?
• 69[00:27:31] <ladderff> but anyway
• 70[00:27:34] <ladderff> one fight at a time
• 71[00:27:52] <Shun131> heh yeah, minimize the accesses
• 72[00:28:12] <ladderff> yeah
• 73[00:29:02] <Shun131> great, if there’s anything, feel free to msg, I’m going to sleep now :)
• 74[00:29:07] <ladderff> thanks man
• 75[00:29:10] <ladderff> good talk
• 76[00:29:13] <Shun131> no prob
• 77[00:29:17] <Shun131> yeah same
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• 85[00:35:38] <rant> so I've been trying now for about 3.5wks to install another Stretch system on an external drive with an encrypted root partition and I am unable to get it bootable. I've compiled a report and I need some help figuring out what the problem is. replaced-url
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• 88[00:36:20] <annadane> for something this complex maybe also try the debian-user mailing list
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• 92[00:39:09] <rant> yeah and I got some copy/pasta errors in that report :P
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• 94[00:41:12] <bites> rant: i've never seen the uuid in quotes.
• 95[00:41:53] <rant> bites: yeah that seemed odd to me as well
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• 97[00:42:38] <bites> no change if you take it out?
• 98[00:42:45] <rant> bites: the errors in that post were pasting default/grub twice and using an old version of grub.cfg from before I fixed that error with the UUID that was missing the last char
• 99[00:42:52] <rant> I
• 100[00:42:59] <rant> I've fixed it now
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• 104[00:43:24] <rant> not sure why I keep accidentally hitting enter when I reach for ' on this keyboard..
• 105[00:44:07] <jhutchins> I confirm no quotes in my grub.cfg.
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• 107[00:47:37] <giaco> I've just chrooted into a debootstrap extracted debian jessie. Everything works fine, but I need to understand how to avoid "su: must be run from a terminal" when I call "su" as normal user (that I have created) while inside the chroot
• 108[00:47:57] <bites> rant: i get the same error "cryptsetup: WARNING: Invalid source device" if i put quotes around the uuid in my crypttab. remove them. in fstab too.
• 109[00:48:21] <rant> replaced-url
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• 112[00:49:01] <rant> bites: ah, I thought that was how it was specified in crypttab/fstab
• 113[00:50:59] <rant> ok, so all quotes removed from crypttab and fstab.. any other thoughts or just update-initramfs, update-grub, grub-install?
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• 115[00:51:49] <bites> try that first. next thing i would look into is the cryptdevice boot parameter you've set.
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• 118[00:54:06] <rant> yeah I wasnt sure about that.. just sounded good.. heh
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• 120[00:54:23] <rant> figured /etc/default/grub was good a place as any to put it
• 121[00:54:46] <rant> wasnt sure how to tell grub about the cryptroot
• 122[00:55:07] <bites> i think after the colon should be the name of the mapper, which should match the naming in fstab.
• 123[00:55:23] <bites> buuut, i'm not even sure that's the right hook in the first place.
• 124[00:55:25] <rant> yes I wasnt sure about that
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• 127[00:56:02] <rant> it wasnt as obvious to me as "hey dude, you got some asparagas in your teeth" I wasn't quite sure how I was suppose to tell grub the rootfs was encrypted..
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• 130[00:58:13] <rant> fwiw only the invalid source device message dissapeared from update-initramfs output, the rest all still came up
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• 133[01:00:04] <rant> replaced-url
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• 136[01:01:12] <rant> the chr is just a script I threw together to do all the luksOpen, mount, binding of /boot, /proc, /sys, /dev, and chroot.. cause it was getting real old :P
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• 140[01:02:13] <kernelman> how can i specify log file for apt-get?
• 141[01:02:45] <bites> rant: you unlocked the luks partition manually and gave the mapper a different name than cryptroot, right?
• 142[01:03:10] <bites> i would do it again and keep the naming consistent.
• 143[01:03:42] <bites> "device-mapper: table ioctl on cryptroot failed: No such device or address"
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• 151[01:08:00] <rant> yes
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• 153[01:11:04] <rant> replaced-url
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• 156[01:12:42] <rant> and now that I think about it I think that loop is wrong :P
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• 158[01:14:02] <bites> exit the chroot, umout everything, close the luks partition, open it again, this time call it cryptroot though.
• 159[01:14:31] <bites> which you hopefully don't have an encrypted partition on your main system by that name already. ^^
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• 161[01:16:24] <bites> i would also remove passport from crypttab and fstab until you got it to boot.
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• 163[01:16:57] <rant> fair enough
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• 175[01:25:17] <rant> replaced-url
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• 178[01:26:28] <bites> initramfs updates without errors now, that's progress. ^^
• 179[01:26:37] <bites> time to boot? ^^
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• 183[01:28:59] <bites> hmm... -u seems to only update the initrd for the newest kernel it finds.
• 184[01:29:25] <bites> so there might be problems if you try to boot kernel 4.9
• 185[01:33:15] <bites> rant: update-initramfs -u -k all seems to do it for all kernels.
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• 203[01:57:40] <rant> bites: alright, thanks.. it seems like it'll work now I got the pw wrong three times and gave up.. but its at least asking for the pw now.. so I think its good
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• 316[04:25:48] <SyfiMalik> my new debian stretch cant connect to wifi
• 317[04:26:05] <mefistofeles> what wifi card?
• 318[04:26:24] <SyfiMalik> dont know, how to check
• 319[04:26:36] <SyfiMalik> x1 carbon
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• 321[04:26:55] <SyfiMalik> 4600 chip
• 322[04:27:07] <mefistofeles> lspci | grep -i wireless
• 323[04:27:10] <mefistofeles> probably that
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• 325[04:28:35] <SyfiMalik> intel wireless 7260
• 326[04:29:01] <SyfiMalik> cant even touchpad doesnt work in touch to tap
• 327[04:29:33] <mefistofeles> SyfiMalik: that may just be configuration
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• 330[04:30:16] <themill> you'll need firmware-iwlwifi for that
• 331[04:30:20] <mefistofeles> yes
• 332[04:31:13] <SyfiMalik> installed, now what to do?
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• 334[04:32:07] <mefistofeles> SyfiMalik: try and see?
• 335[04:32:32] <SyfiMalik> plz help im sitting in sun. and have only some minutes left to end my data time
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• 337[04:32:39] <SyfiMalik> just give me commands
• 338[04:33:00] <SyfiMalik> nmtui doens't show wireless connection
• 339[04:33:51] <mefistofeles> is the module loaded?
• 340[04:34:05] <mefistofeles> lsmod | grep wifi
• 341[04:34:08] <SyfiMalik> how to do that?
• 342[04:34:34] <SyfiMalik> iwlwifi 151552 0
• 343[04:34:35] <SyfiMalik> cfg80211 589824 1 iwlwifi
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• 345[04:35:17] <SyfiMalik> ive 25 minutes left
• 346[04:35:47] <SyfiMalik> and im burning here in sunny roof because in the ground my isp doens't work
• 347[04:36:15] <mefistofeles> don't know what could be wrong, maybe try rebooting?
• 348[04:36:29] <SyfiMalik> ok
• 349[04:36:33] <mefistofeles> not sure if firmware should work just by installing or whether it needs rebooting
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• 351[04:36:56] <rant> at most you reload the module
• 352[04:36:57] <themill> you'd need to either reload the module or reboot
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• 354[04:38:25] <mefistofeles> yeah, I thought so, but was going for reboot to be sure
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• 357[04:40:48] <mefistofeles> guess it's good news if he/she doesn't come back xD
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• 376[05:16:08] <SyfiMalik> Thanks guys wifi is working now.
• 377[05:16:23] <SyfiMalik> so now we can solve th tap to click issue
• 378[05:16:58] <SyfiMalik> I had a dir in arch linux, there I added two custom files and my tap to click was working, but in debian I can't see those dir
• 379[05:17:25] <SyfiMalik> arch dir path was /etc/X11/xorg. or something
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• 409[06:04:54] <SyfiMalik> guys how fprintd works in debian?
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• 411[06:05:33] <SyfiMalik> iTeV: I can't use polybar, it gives me error after compiling
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• 419[06:22:34] <__derek__> Hello
• 420[06:22:51] <__derek__> I'm trying to build a package using the following command(I want to disable lintian)
• 421[06:22:55] <__derek__> debuild -i -I -us -uc --lintian-opts --no-lintian
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• 423[06:23:10] <__derek__> Unknown option: no-lintian
• 424[06:23:17] <__derek__> error parsing options
• 425[06:23:29] <__derek__> What am I doing wrong?
• 426[06:24:20] <Unit193> Drop '--lintian-opts'
• 427[06:25:05] <__derek__> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -ui -i -I --no-lintian
• 428[06:25:06] <__derek__> dpkg-buildpackage: error: unknown option or argument --no-lintian
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• 431[06:26:06] <Unit193> Ah yes, the format being debuild [debuild options] [dpkg-buildpackage options], so you'll have to put the debuild options first.
• 432[06:26:06] <__derek__> Unit193: thats the error I get if I run "debuild -i -I -us -uc --no-lintian"
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• 434[06:27:04] <__derek__> The man page is kinda confusing... it says "debuild [debuild options] [dpkg-buildpackage options] [--lintian-opts lintian options]"
• 435[06:27:47] <__derek__> Parameters can be passed to dpkg-buildpackage and lintian, where the parameters to the latter are indicated with the --lintian-opts option. The allowable options in this case are --lintian and --no-lintian to force or skip the lintian step, respectively.
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• 448[06:40:43] <__derek__> I guess I'll have to use dpkg-buildpackage instead
• 449[06:41:03] <__derek__> Just trying to figure out if the manpage info is wrong/is a bug
• 450[06:41:56] <SyfiMalik> is there someone who knows about fonts application or installing some fonts to new installation or I should ask google aunt :P
• 451[06:43:16] <SyfiMalik> __derek__: lol till today morning I didn't had man :D
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• 460[07:06:50] <darxmurf> morning
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• 495[07:48:48] <hoshineko> hello, I've always had this issue with debian where if I remove /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf to enable bitmaps my fonts start looking like this replaced-url
• 496[07:49:44] <hoshineko> this is only in debian and debian based distros, I've never had this issue outside of debian
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• 498[07:54:32] <hoshineko> another example of broken fonts being broken replaced-url
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• 508[08:03:30] <hoshineko> none of the fonts in the screenshots are bitmap fonts by the way, bitmap fonts actually look good, it's some other fonts that break
• 509[08:04:06] <hoshineko> all 70-no-bitmaps-fonts.conf seems to do is reject nonscalable fonts anyway, so I don't get why this happens
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• 517[08:11:36] <Heston> did you run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig fontconfig-config`?
• 518[08:13:25] <hoshineko> Not this time, no, but I have done it in the past, I'll do it now since you asked though
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• 520[08:14:43] <hoshineko> nope, no changes
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• 522[08:15:29] <hoshineko> but i've found out that there's 10-scale-bitmap-fonts.conf, removing that fixes my titlebar fonts (that were actually bitmaps, I had forgotten)
• 523[08:15:44] <hoshineko> however that still doesn't explain the broken fonts in my browser
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• 528[08:17:28] <Haohmaru> hoshineko i got debian on 3 machines and i "enable" bitmap fonts, my vector fonts are still fine
• 529[08:17:42] <Haohmaru> but i don't remember how i did it exactly
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• 531[08:18:10] <Haohmaru> i think i might have followed some example on the archlinux wiki
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• 545[08:24:46] <Heston> hoshineko, which version of debian are you running?
• 546[08:24:52] <hoshineko> stable
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• 550[08:26:29] <hoshineko> i'll be back in a sec, relogging
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• 562[08:30:00] <gour> morning
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• 565[08:31:02] <rue_bed> I'd like to confirm, there are no up to date web browsers for 32 bit debian ?
• 566[08:31:17] <rue_bed> no chromium, no iceweasel, no firefox
• 567[08:31:21] <rue_bed> ?
• 568[08:31:57] <gour> i'd like to move to debian sid (from fedora) and wonder what is the most smooth way to do it, iow. install stretch and then dist-upgrade, start with testing or something else?
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• 574[08:34:17] <hoshineko> gour: replaced-url
• 575[08:34:24] <dgp> gour: Download the debian installer nightly testing image
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• 577[08:35:34] <hoshineko> speaking of testing, I wonder if upgrading to it would fix my font issue, after all I haven't found a single other person with the same issue, so maybe it has something wtih do with my hardware and the package versions
• 578[08:35:53] <rue_bed> hoshineko, I have some font issues, whats yours?
• 579[08:36:05] <hoshineko> enable bitmap fonts breaks non-bitmap fonts
• 580[08:36:14] <hoshineko> s/enable/enabling/
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• 582[08:36:26] <rue_bed> oh, not a problem I'v got
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• 585[08:36:54] <gour> dgp: dl-ing debian-buster-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst image, that's correct?
• 586[08:36:54] <rue_bed> what are you doing to enable it?
• 587[08:37:01] <Haohmaru> hoshineko have you messed with other stuff in /etc/fonts/ besides deleting the 70-no...conf ?
• 588[08:37:03] <Heston> how are you certain that the new fonts you're seeing arent bitmaps?
• 589[08:37:38] <hoshineko> Haohmaru: well it's not like I've tried messing with every file, but yes I've tried some things
• 590[08:37:41] <Haohmaru> yeah, i use a text editor which i close and reopen to see a list of fonts
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• 592[08:37:49] <rue_bed> can I upgrade a system from 32 bit to 64 bit without reinstalling?
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• 594[08:38:03] <hoshineko> Heston: well I guess I can't be 100% sure, but it doesn't make any sense to see them in my browser
• 595[08:38:07] <dgp> gour: replaced-url
• 596[08:38:55] <Haohmaru> hoshineko your browser probably has its own font settings additionally
• 597[08:39:03] <gour> dgp: thanks
• 598[08:39:07] <Haohmaru> don't use that as an indicator
• 599[08:39:34] <hoshineko> i believe i've tried other browsers before, but I can't say for sure
• 600[08:39:36] <dgp> gour: once you're installed you can just change the sources from testing to sid and upgrade a few packages
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• 602[08:39:49] <hoshineko> ill try in chromium
• 603[08:40:05] <gour> dgp: yeah, thank you
• 604[08:40:30] <Heston> hoshineko, have you made sure the font package you chose has enough coverage for all the font types you're using? I've read it will fallback onto bitmaps if it doesnt
• 605[08:40:45] <Haohmaru> rue_bed i'm skeptical.. but if your /home is on a separate partition - you could just wipe the 32bit OS
• 606[08:40:45] <rue_bed> hoshineko, are you running 64 bit?
• 607[08:40:50] <hoshineko> Uhh, well idk it's just default
• 608[08:40:54] <hoshineko> rue_bed: yes
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• 610[08:41:04] <rue_bed> Haohmaru, I'd like to maintain the apps I got
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• 612[08:41:18] <rue_bed> aka, not have to work out everything thats installed and reinstall it by hand
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• 614[08:41:41] <rue_bed> one of my machines hasn't been reinstalled since 2000, I'd like not to have to
• 615[08:42:13] <hoshineko> also I should say that not ALL fonts in my browser are broken
• 616[08:42:23] <hoshineko> some are some aren't
• 617[08:42:24] <rue_bed> but the lack of any workable web browsers is getting really annoying, with googles push for everyone to use stupid long keys on sites that dont need them
• 618[08:42:51] <dgp> rue_bed: how does that stop you using i386?
• 619[08:42:54] <rue_bed> right now, lynx can access more pages than iceweasel or chromium
• 620[08:43:08] <Heston> hoshineko, have you tried manually setting them
• 621[08:43:10] <rue_bed> I'm running a 32 debian
• 622[08:43:12] <hoshineko> huh, it might be some firefox thing, chromium displays fonts fine
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• 624[08:43:31] <hoshineko> Heston: I have, and it does "fix" it
• 625[08:43:34] <rue_bed> I dont reinstall my computer every 3 years like everyone else seems to
• 626[08:43:50] <rue_bed> I been upgrading one for 18 years and its still fine
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• 628[08:44:06] <hoshineko> But I kinda like using webfonts
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• 630[08:44:37] <rue_bed> I'm just kinda surprised that 32bit debian is EOL
• 631[08:44:45] <rue_bed> with no upgrade path
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• 633[08:44:52] <dgp> rue_bed: I can see why you don't want to reinstall from scratch but I don't get how running i386 stops you from using browsers
• 634[08:45:22] <rue_bed> chrome requires 64 bit os, firefox requires 64 bit os
• 635[08:45:45] <rue_bed> there are no browsers made in the last 3 years that will run on 32 bit
• 636[08:46:14] <rue_bed> granted they are such memory hogs that they need the addressing for more than 32 bits worth of memory, but ugh
• 637[08:46:25] <dgp> chromium isn't in i386?
• 638[08:46:37] <rue_bed> chromium is eol, as of a long time ago
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• 640[08:46:53] <rue_bed> they stopped it and said to use chrome
• 641[08:47:02] <rue_bed> ditty with iceweasel -> firefox
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• 643[08:47:35] <dgp> the chromium git got a push 14 minutes ago..
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• 645[08:47:50] <rue_bed> how old is the debain package?
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• 648[08:49:14] <dgp> in unstable chromium is 67 and the official chrome is 68
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• 650[08:51:09] <rue_bed> ... sorting....
• 651[08:51:26] <Heston> 68 in stretch
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• 653[08:52:37] <dgp> rue_bed: anyhow. There might be something that'll dump your installed packages and put that back after installing amd64. I think you could install amd64 alongside i386 with multiarch but I'm not sure how you would make that actually boot up the amd64 side
• 654[08:53:05] <hoshineko> okay, I'll try upgrading to testing, if that doesn't work I guess I'll give up
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• 656[08:54:42] <rue_bed> will the 32bit apps run under 64bit?
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• 658[08:55:16] <rue_bed> I have a bunch of programs i wrote, rather not have to recompile them all
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• 660[08:56:04] <dgp> I can't think of any 32bit app that doesn't work
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• 663[08:56:34] <rue_bed> ok, so a 64 bit kernel is kosher with a 32bit app
• 664[08:56:50] <rue_bed> so, I could just start with a kernel upgrade?
• 665[08:57:14] <dgp> yeah. IIRC there are 64bit kernels in i386 you can install to have a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland
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• 667[08:57:48] <SwedeMike> the only risk is that you'll be triggering bugs in the userland/kernel interaction, because not that many run 64bit kernel with 32bit userland, but I'd say the risk is low.
• 668[08:58:01] <rue_bed> can I tell apt to include 64 bit apps in its sources as well as 32 bit?!?!
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• 670[08:58:36] <rue_bed> that sounds like a problem waiting to hang me
• 671[08:59:44] <dgp> rue_bed: debian allows you to install multiple archs. I have amd64 with i386 and armhf as additional archs
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• 673[09:00:40] <dgp> It's good for crosscompiling etc but I'm not sure how you'd go about booting one of the others
• 674[09:00:47] <rue_bed> ok, so, if I upgrade to a 64 bit kernel, Linux freebee6 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) i686 GNU/Linux
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• 676[09:01:00] <rue_bed> hey, isn't the 686 already 64 bit?
• 677[09:01:31] <dgp> 686 is pentium 2 so not 64bit
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• 679[09:01:46] <dgp> pae means you can address more than 4GB of ram though
• 680[09:02:10] <rue_bed> model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
• 681[09:02:23] <Heston> with terrible performance
• 682[09:02:35] <rue_bed> pretty sure all the machines I have are 64 bit cpus now
• 683[09:02:47] <rue_bed> maybe except the file server...
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• 685[09:02:57] <rue_bed> and the boiler controller...
• 686[09:03:11] <rue_bed> and the home automation server...
• 687[09:03:13] <rue_bed> anyhow
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• 690[09:05:33] <dgp> I don't think I have any only 32bit x86 machines left now. Eventually it'll get to the point where the only people using i386 will be some weird embedded stuff
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• 694[09:07:05] <SwedeMike> the biggest problem is that there is no migration path, you have to re-install to move between architectures.
• 695[09:07:05] <rue_bed> its too bad, the 32 bit is so much more memory efficient
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• 697[09:07:34] <rue_bed> but it sounds like if I put in a 64 bit kernel, I can start adding 64 bit apps
• 698[09:07:57] <rue_bed> or will there be issues like 32/64 libc conflicts
• 699[09:08:31] <dgp> if you add amd64 as another arch you'd get another set of libraries for amd64
• 700[09:08:45] <rue_bed> right, parallel install
• 701[09:09:11] <rue_bed> I presume the namespaces wont conflict
• 702[09:09:43] <rue_bed> as the same version of any given library was probably not compiled for 32 and 64 bit
• 703[09:10:04] <dgp> the namespaces only exists for libraries IIRC. So if you install something that puts something in /usr/bin for example you have to have one or the other, you can't have both
• 704[09:10:21] <rant> rue_bed: the system has been fully capable of multiarch for a long time now
• 705[09:10:21] <rue_bed> yes
• 706[09:10:42] <rant> !multiarch
• 707[09:10:43] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 708[09:10:49] <rue_bed> but if I install a 64 bit vers of a program its cause the 32 bit is dorf anyhow
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• 712[09:11:15] <rue_bed> ok, so I just need to have a 64 bit kernel to go there
• 713[09:11:59] <rue_bed> thats a direction, I can work on it
• 714[09:12:25] <dgp> I think you'll end up with more mess than just installing amd64 and moving your stuff over in the long run
• 715[09:12:35] <rue_bed> I'll slap togethor a new machine, put 64 on it, and steal its kernel by doing things that should never be done to a system
• 716[09:13:01] <dgp> I think i386 has 64bit kernels you can install already
• 717[09:13:23] <rue_bed> dpg if you knew the mess of things installed on the system in the 18 years I been using it, you would notice there are a lot of shadows to the light being cast
• 718[09:13:39] <rue_bed> ...isn't that an oxymoron?
• 719[09:14:02] <rue_bed> I usually custom compile my kernels anyhow
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• 722[09:14:33] <dgp> back in the day(tm) there were people using 64bit kernels with a 32bit userland because of having applications that wouldn't work in a 64bit userland
• 723[09:14:37] <rant> I used to do that back in the day.. but you gotta keep up on your own maint.. updates and bug fixes
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• 726[09:15:10] <rant> but I was rolling kernels with each release anyhow to keep up to speed on new features
• 727[09:15:32] <rant> so I didnt really have to pay much attention to fixes cause I was staying current
• 728[09:15:51] <rue_bed> I find one that works and hold it till it dosn't
• 729[09:15:58] <dgp> Compiling kernels for x86 machines isn't really worth the effort. Recentish kernels are in testing/unstable if you really need it
• 730[09:16:17] <rue_bed> regular updates once bit me badly (ext2 didn't work)
• 731[09:16:23] <rant> rue_bed: yeah well that could open you up to vulnerabilities if you dont keep an eye on the CVEs and such
• 732[09:16:42] <rant> especially in light of recent critical flaws found in nearly all modern CPUs
• 733[09:16:53] <rue_bed> I'm mostly ok, as I'm not on public-ip
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• 736[09:17:29] <rue_bed> microsoft just stole ownership of all the code I had on gitub, does anything really matter anymore?
• 737[09:17:40] <rant> heh
• 738[09:18:03] <dgp> drama much?
• 739[09:18:07] <rue_bed> hah, make menuconfig: [ ] 64-bit kernel
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• 741[09:18:33] <rue_bed> ... so.... I just turn that swtich on?
• 742[09:18:36] <rue_bed> haha
• 743[09:18:37] <rant> yeah thats just one of many new generic options that selects a bunch of stuff
• 744[09:19:02] <rant> they been trying to streamline things by making meta options that select a bunch of dependencies
• 745[09:19:35] <rant> and from what I saw the cpu specific stuff has been cut way down in recent kernels
• 746[09:20:12] <rue_bed> AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor
• 747[09:20:23] <rue_bed> I selected athalon in the kernel config
• 748[09:20:28] <rue_bed> so, thats right...
• 749[09:20:35] <rue_bed> so...
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• 755[09:22:03] <rue_bed> well, I'll try the same kernel config as I had, but with the x64 turned on, see what I get
• 756[09:22:21] <rue_bed> thanks
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• 758[09:22:38] <rue_bed> you can put money on the guess I'll be back for more help
• 759[09:22:51] <rue_bed> w/ apt-sources
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• 765[09:24:20] <gour> if i want gnome desktop, there is no need to select gnome besides 'debian desktop environment' in the installer?
• 766[09:25:06] <rue_bed> noooo
• 767[09:25:26] <rant> gour: we have
• 768[09:25:28] <rue_bed> gour, install with nothing, name the gnome apps you want, and let it suck in the dependencies
• 769[09:25:41] <rue_bed> otherwise you seem to get a brokeen kde thing
• 770[09:26:07] <gour> ok
• 771[09:26:30] <rue_bed> the xserver will become a headless dependency
• 772[09:26:36] <rant> gour: we have 7 complete Desktop Environments, you might want to be specific
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• 774[09:26:43] <rue_bed> there is a bit of fun
• 775[09:27:08] <dgp> rant: he's referring to the task in the debian installer
• 776[09:27:32] <rue_bed> I clear it all, then apt-get everything on command line
• 777[09:27:34] <rant> so am I
• 778[09:28:03] <gour> rant: iirc, i heard somewhere that selecting just 'debian desktop environment' is going to install default Debian desktop, which is, in this case, gnome. maybe i'm wrong or it was so in the past
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• 781[09:28:23] <rue_bed> it used to be gnome
• 782[09:28:28] <rue_bed> then iirc it changed to kde
• 783[09:28:31] <rant> no depends on the install media
• 784[09:28:38] <gour> kde? since when?
• 785[09:28:43] <rue_bed> I had a machine install with k3 and nothing worked
• 786[09:28:50] <rant> if you download the only CD we have still available, its XFCE by default
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• 788[09:28:51] <gour> i know that it was xfce for some time
• 789[09:29:12] <rant> its the only one we have that is small enough to fit on one cd and still get a complete DE
• 790[09:29:28] <rant> which is the default depends on which media you use
• 791[09:29:42] <gour> "The GNOME Desktop task is what is installed by Debian-Installer's Desktop "task" (replaced-url
• 792[09:29:46] <rue_bed> ... what all is in there that needs more than 650M?
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• 794[09:30:10] <rant> libreoffice is like 300MB by itself
• 795[09:30:15] <rue_bed> 50M of kernel modules?
• 796[09:30:19] <gour> anyway, the most important thing for me here is fedora --> debian
• 797[09:30:40] <rue_bed> gour, if you can get apt-get to work, your off to the races
• 798[09:31:01] <dgp> gour: If you know what you're doing just install the standard system tools option and go from there
• 799[09:31:28] <dgp> gour: the "tasks" are handy but you usually end up with thing you wanted + tons of stuff you'll never ever use
• 800[09:31:39] <rue_bed> if your machocistic like me, copy apt-get over from a debian install, then start copying any dependiencies that it seems to need, till it work
• 801[09:32:01] <dgp> rue_bed: or just use debootstrap
• 802[09:32:03] <gour> dgp: i see...well, we'll have to clean some things probably..
• 803[09:32:08] <rue_bed> (sorry, keynboard issues)
• 804[09:32:44] <rue_bed> oh its 12:30 on a worknight, I'v failed to go to sleep
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• 808[09:34:09] <rue_bed> huh, due to power/space packing in moden technology, and cheap manufacturing, machines are nolonger cold and hard
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• 818[09:39:51] <tralala> I'm trying to connect a debian machine to an active directory server. I added winbind to nsswitch, but even though wbinfo can access and list the active directory users samba authentication doesn't work. I followed the samba wiki for the configuration. Does anybody have an idea how to investigate the problem?
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• 821[09:40:59] <rue_bed> I cant help there
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• 840[10:01:48] <rant> tralala: maybe try #samba (upstream can be a bit picky about older releases though) or wait around / come back a lil later.. I know someone who did this recently, was just talking about it yesterday morning but they arent here yet
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• 843[10:07:16] <tralala> thanks rant
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• 846[10:07:51] <rant> I used to know a lil samba but its been ages and I never fooled with AD
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• 849[10:09:48] <rant> tralala: I'm gonna be up here installing Debian repeatedly in virtualbox, so I'll let him know if he comes on if you're still around
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• 853[10:10:31] * rant is building VMs of all the DEs and one for Base, Testing, and Unstable for reference purposes since he finally got his machine all sorted out and has the space
• 854[10:12:09] <rant> though I dont have enough ram to really run more than two at a time comfortably.. nor am I going about this the most efficient way cause I'm tired :P
• 855[10:13:24] * rant should've done the base vm first and then cloned it for each one.. but started with Gnome/KDE seperately first like a jagoff
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• 884[10:42:53] <Release_> greetz , what would be the way have prompt set correct on new created users ?
• 885[10:43:21] <rant> Release_: its called the skeleton
• 886[10:43:34] <rant> Release_: the skeleton files are copied to all new users
• 887[10:43:44] <Release_> how would that be done
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• 898[10:55:06] <Release_> tried using PS1="[\\u@\\h:\\w] $"
• 899[10:55:19] <Release_> It returned [\u@\h:\w] $
• 900[10:55:22] <Release_> as prompt
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• 903[10:57:05] <Release_> also in the default created bash file i see
• 904[10:57:06] <Release_> Else
• 905[10:57:06] <Release_> PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
• 906[10:57:24] <Release_> shouldnt that create the proper prompt by default ?
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• 909[10:59:29] <rant> idk about all that.. I'm way sleep deprived and heavily preoccupied.. what I CAN tell you from legacy linux 101 is, that kinda stuff is done in files like ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc and those are copied (as per your question) to new users from the files in /etc/skel/ anything you put in there is read by adduser or such and called the "skeleton" which is copied to new users by default
• 910[11:00:01] <rant> iirc there are options to not use the skeleton, but by default thats how it works
• 911[11:01:21] <rant> a channel like #bash could help you with the specifics of which file and the actual prompt settings if nobody in here can.. they are all bash users/gurus over there and I told you the debian/linux general info about the skeleton, the rest you can find out from #bash if need be
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• 913[11:01:28] <Release_> i know its done in files like bashrc
• 914[11:01:41] <Release_> only dont know what to add
• 915[11:01:53] <Release_> as that i found on the net doesnt seem to be working
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• 917[11:02:42] <rant> afaik aside from my brain being too messed up to process the "code" portions of what you said right now, I dont think you specifically stated what you want to do other than asked how to set prompt on new users.. and the skeleton is the answer to that.. as for what you consider "correct" you haven't said
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• 919[11:03:00] <rant> and as I said before, #bash can probably help you with that much of it
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• 922[11:04:34] <Release_> tnx
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• 941[11:13:54] <tralala> I'm trying to connect a debian stable machine to an active directory network, but even though wbinfo can access the users of the AD, samba authentication fails. Any ideas how to investigate this?
• 942[11:14:20] <dutchfish> tralala, use cifs
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• 945[11:15:52] <dutchfish> tralala, easiest way (if you are using a wm) to connect to it with cifs://[path/share] with domain name in front of the user password combo.
• 946[11:16:07] <dutchfish> tralala, you dont need to be a domain member for this.
• 947[11:16:15] <tralala> dutchfish, I don't need to access shares, I need to define my own shares for AD users to access.
• 948[11:17:10] <dutchfish> tralala, why not configure that in the AD itself (fileserver role)?
• 949[11:18:18] <dutchfish> tralala, or you want to setup an AD controller on linux?
• 950[11:19:10] <tralala> just a linux fileserver that uses AD users instead of local ones
• 951[11:20:06] <dutchfish> tralala, the easiest way i know of is using RADIUS for auth. That can be incorporated within SAMBA/CIFS.
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• 954[11:20:26] <tralala> there are guides online on how to do that, but even though I followed the configuration of the official samba wiki, it doesn't authenticate the AD users
• 955[11:20:59] <armin> well AD is some kind of ldap derivate, why would you want to throw radius on top of this?
• 956[11:21:05] <dutchfish> tralala, well, i grant this is confusing, since SMB is on its way out, CIFS is what you want for the newer OSes.
• 957[11:21:44] <dutchfish> armin, right, but for that you need to create your own schema files (lots of work)
• 958[11:22:13] <armin> dutchfish: well you said you want your AD users to connect to i assume there already exists a schema you can use.
• 959[11:22:19] <armin> s/to/so/
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• 963[11:22:40] <dutchfish> armin, i not asking, i am just trying to help tralala
• 964[11:22:40] <armin> dutchfish: if they exist in your AD, you can probably speak ldap to that AD and do a lookup
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• 966[11:22:53] <Release_> it turns out using sh instead of bash for prompt
• 967[11:22:58] <dutchfish> armin, right
• 968[11:23:11] <armin> dutchfish: uh, i'm not trying to answer anything. :)
• 969[11:23:28] <armin> dutchfish: i was just as curious as tralala i guess.
• 970[11:23:28] <Release_> anway to edit that to return the proper prompt patch for each newly created user and possibly current ones
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• 973[11:23:44] <dutchfish> armin, but even that is not needed, if he want to setup a linux/samba/cifs server, which the current AD users can connect and auth too.
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• 975[11:24:04] <dutchfish> armin, fair enough
• 976[11:24:15] <armin> dutchfish: how does smbd do the lookup against the AD if not via ldap in that case?
• 977[11:25:14] <dutchfish> tralala, in short, let AD (win) do its thing and administer in there your userbase. Use radius to auth to your samba or windows shares. Done.
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• 979[11:25:56] <dutchfish> tralala, you can forget about ldap, because you are using the win AD mechanisms to authorize.
• 980[11:26:17] <dutchfish> tralala, unless, you insist doing your own AD on linux.
• 981[11:26:19] <armin> dutchfish: thanks for answering my question, even if prefixing with tralala's nick. :)
• 982[11:26:49] <dutchfish> ah, sorry, i thought it was his question, hit me!
• 983[11:26:58] <luna_> Time for the yearly apt talk in 2 minutes: replaced-url
• 984[11:26:58] <armin> all fine. happens to all of us. :)
• 985[11:27:20] <dutchfish> i logged on just recently so i missed some of it, prolly.
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• 987[11:27:55] <armin> i actually had to move my weechat setup to another box because the alpine vm i used before literally was goin up in flames after the last upgrade.
• 988[11:28:33] <dutchfish> armin, i have some links too: replaced-url
• 989[11:28:44] <rant> luna_: please don't do that here.. you can plainly see there is active issues being supported here, this is a support channel. Goto the debconf channel or #debian-offtopic if you can't contain your excitement
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• 991[11:29:10] <luna_> rant: sorry
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• 994[11:29:48] <tralala> dutchfish, thanks, I'll check it out.
• 995[11:29:58] <dutchfish> yw
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• 998[11:31:37] <tralala> the strange thing is that wbinfo -a and ntlm_auth work with AD users, but when trying to access a samba share authentication doesn't work
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• 1000[11:32:16] <rant> !radius
• 1001[11:32:16] <dpkg> radius is, like, Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service. replaced-url
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• 1003[11:32:32] <dutchfish> tralala, read about the diffrences in SMB / CIFS, that is probably your issue.
• 1004[11:32:49] <dutchfish> (as i explained a few lines ago)
• 1005[11:32:58] <rant> I recall that vaguely when I was looking into ldap and such many years ago
• 1006[11:33:18] <manticorpus> Hi there, I have one problem with xorg logs, the file .xsession-errors create huge file. As specify by some post on stackoverflow, I have done redirection to /dev/null. The problem is the file stay open by cinnamon (replaced-url
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• 1009[11:34:21] <rant> manticorpus: the key to answering that would be in what is spamming the log... without knowing the cause one can only but speculate at extreme measures to a solution like the one you already stated
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• 1011[11:34:40] <rant> you need to share some of what's filling up the log
• 1012[11:34:41] <dutchfish> tralala, furthermore, a lot of docs floating on the net are totally outdated and no longer work.
• 1013[11:34:48] * gour was not aware of the "new" apt cmd...very nice
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• 1017[11:35:21] <rant> yeah I am still getting used to it myself.. be warned it does things differently..
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• 1020[11:35:35] <rant> for one thing it installs recommends by default
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• 1022[11:35:51] <manticorpus> rant: The spam is dues to a java-fx bug. The problem is not solved yet, and the solution is to wait for update. So the question is not about how to limitat the logs, but how to limite the size or avoid the deleted file to eat the space
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• 1024[11:36:34] <tralala> dutchfish, yes I tried following guides on the net without success. CIFS vs SMB confuses me though. Can you tell me a bit more?
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• 1026[11:37:07] <dutchfish> tralala, its in the lnk i gave.
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• 1028[11:37:36] <dutchfish> tralala, wiki.samba.org contains the right info.
• 1029[11:37:47] <dutchfish> tralala, also for CIFS
• 1030[11:37:48] <rant> manticorpus: you can easily stop it as suggested.. first shutdown your session "service lightdm stop" or whatever your dm is, login on tty1, rm the file, then link it to /dev/null but thats a really crude hack
• 1031[11:38:23] <rant> manticorpus: it wont stop the problem it'll only stop the effect..
• 1032[11:39:11] <manticorpus> rant: Yea, that's not fitting my needs. Actually, I can just do a crontask and echo "" > /proc/fd/ but if I am seeking for something cleaner
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• 1034[11:40:58] <rant> manticorpus: the cleaner solution is what I'm trying to tell you which is figure out what's causing it and get at the root of the issue.. you are running around fixing your peeling wallpaper, trying to stop the whistling kettle, and not addressing the fact your house is on fire :P
• 1035[11:41:40] <manticorpus> rant: I exactly know what is the source of the problem. But as the bug is in the java-fx stack, I will not be able to correct them ;)
• 1036[11:41:55] <tralala> dutchfish, the link you gave me seems to be talking about linux as a CIFS client
• 1037[11:42:08] <dutchfish> tralala, yes
• 1038[11:42:32] <rant> manticorpus: and what are you so in need of that uses this stack that is causing this?
• 1039[11:42:56] <rant> manticorpus: cause me personally I'd be purging something right now..
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• 1041[11:43:42] <dutchfish> tralala, once you have that working you can work your way up with hwat comes next, exposing shares on linux machines for both camps, and setting up your own CIFS server or more.
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• 1045[11:44:10] <rant> but "java-fx" means nothing to me as to what you're actually using/doing that is generating log spam that we can possibly mitigate.. my concern here is that that logfile doesnt belong to whats filling it.. so I'd be looking for a solution more specific to whats generating it than where its putting it
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• 1048[11:44:59] <dutchfish> tralala, things like this replaced-url
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• 1050[11:46:15] <dutchfish> tralala, in short all parts need te be correctly configured, thngs like DNS, auth, domain binding, etc etc
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• 1052[11:47:07] <dutchfish> tralala, if this is all new to you, do an expirimental setup in a 3 stations virtual network and learn it.
• 1053[11:47:17] <tralala> dutchfish, I followed that guide. Maybe my DNS isn't set up correctly.
• 1054[11:47:33] <dutchfish> tralala, a common mistake, yes, maybe.
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• 1060[11:49:03] <dutchfish> tralala, i am not gone take you by the hand on each and every step, read the fine manuals i say and test it out. If you still have specific questions about the Debian side of things, you can ask in here.
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• 1063[11:50:01] <dutchfish> tralala, also i advise you to buy a book on the topic (samba). The topic is huge.
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• 1065[11:50:46] <tralala> dutchfish, thank you for your help.
• 1066[11:50:49] <dutchfish> tralala, good luck!
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• 1079[11:56:58] <electrocamel> Hi! I just wanted to ask a quick question: Why do I get a permission denied error when trying to delete files from /sys/firmware/efi/efivars? Both with sudo and as root
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• 1109[12:21:05] <manticorpus> electrocamel: You are trying to delete virtual file. You cannot do that
• 1110[12:21:46] <manticorpus> electrocamel: sysfs is used to get kernel information in user mode : replaced-url
• 1111[12:22:28] <electrocamel> Ok, so should I delete them through efibootmgr?
• 1112[12:23:53] <manticorpus> electrocamel: I am not very skilled in all the bootloader stuff.
• 1113[12:24:46] <electrocamel> Ok no problem, thanks for the tip!
• 1114[12:25:11] <manticorpus> electrocamel: But you need to seek on the efi configuration or kernel configuration and not how to delete the file. As the files only reflect configuration/state from the kernel
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• 1155[13:06:54] <jarlopez> I was running an awesomewm session after having logged in through GDM, and "logged out" by restarting the GDM service. Now when I log back in, a new awesomewm session is started rather than connecting to the existing one. Any tips on bridging the gap here?
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• 1277[15:02:52] <petn-randall> Hi, how can I find out when a XFS filesystem was fsck'ed the last time? I know the ext[2-4] way to do it, but couldn't yet find a tool for xfs.
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• 1284[15:10:46] <Fox> petn-randall: did you try xfs_info ?
• 1285[15:11:22] <petn-randall> Fox: Yes, however I don't see any output that resembles a timestamps of any kind.
• 1286[15:11:46] <Fox> dunno, I don't have any xfs FS actually
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• 1292[15:15:06] <OneSploit> Hi
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• 1295[15:15:30] <OneSploit> how can I download apparmor (2.13-6) unstable ?
• 1296[15:15:40] <OneSploit> do I really need to wait?
• 1297[15:15:56] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1298[15:15:57] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1299[15:16:21] <OneSploit> trying to join there but polari is kind of broken, wont allow me, guess I need another IRC client
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• 1301[15:16:43] <jelly> are you connecting to the right network, OneSploit
• 1302[15:16:52] <OneSploit> ah right, true
• 1303[15:17:35] <OneSploit> it was oftc right?
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• 1305[15:18:02] <jelly> I thought I changed that factoid to mention the OFTC thing about 6 more times, but maybe I dreamt it
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• 1307[15:18:40] <greycat> It currently says it 3 times, as well as 1 "not Freenode". So, roughly 3.5 times.
• 1308[15:19:27] <OneSploit> lol cant read topic cause polari amazing client shows topic either not full length, or for 1-2s.. really this package should be removed, not to confuse ppl
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• 1311[15:19:38] <jelly> ,i polari
• 1312[15:19:40] <judd> Package polari (gnome, optional) in stretch/amd64: Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client. Version: 3.22.2-1; Size: 266.1k; Installed: 1288k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1313[15:19:59] <greycat> It already says "gnome" on the label. That should be enough.
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• 1323[15:27:26] <tw> Will all of the rust build deps come through stretch-updates when firefox 52 esr goes EOL august 28?
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• 1325[15:28:22] <jelly> who knows
• 1326[15:28:55] <tw> I hope someone has a plan for it =p
• 1327[15:29:41] <jelly> my completely uneducated guess might be having an ESR build with build deps only in a newer release is somewhat better than not having an up-to-date browser at all
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• 1373[16:09:17] <ayekat> hey, is it OK to .gitignore all the files generated by debuild?
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• 1377[16:10:18] <petn-randall> ayekat: OK for whom? You?
• 1378[16:11:23] <ayekat> petn-randall: yes
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• 1380[16:11:45] <ayekat> petn-randall: like - there are no files that couldn't be regenerated, I guess?
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• 1384[16:12:12] * ayekat should probably actually learn first what all those files really mean before asking
• 1385[16:12:17] <greycat> why does your package build directory need git metadata config files in it
• 1386[16:13:03] <ayekat> greycat: I'm following replaced-url
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• 1388[16:13:31] <ayekat> I just ran `debuild`, and it generated the package as I expected, but it also generated a few files and directories under `debian/`
• 1389[16:13:37] <petn-randall> Well, uh, there's no law against it if that's what you're asking.
• 1390[16:14:34] <greycat> Ahhh, so it's like asking whether you should include the "configure" script in your source code management, or only the configure.ac (et al.).
• 1391[16:14:41] <greycat> Your choice.
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• 1393[16:15:50] <ayekat> no - there is no configure file, there are currently debian/{.debhelper,debhelper-build-stamp,files,pkgname.substvars,pkgname}, which are all untracked by git
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• 1395[16:16:11] <greycat> But it's an analogy that I can understand.
• 1396[16:16:24] <petn-randall> ayekat: You can define a debian/.gitignore and put in whatever you want.
• 1397[16:16:38] <ayekat> petn-randall: OK, so it's not considered bad practice?
• 1398[16:16:41] <petn-randall> ayekat: You just can't define one at the base level.
• 1399[16:17:16] <petn-randall> ayekat: I don't think there is any best practice on that, but I haven't digged yet. I guess whatever works for you is The Right Thing™.
• 1400[16:17:16] <ayekat> petn-randall: ah yes, I'd put it in the debian directorz (sorry, I should've clarified that) ^^
• 1401[16:17:29] <ayekat> *directory
• 1402[16:18:32] <ayekat> OK, so I'll go with that then :-) thanks for your replies!
• 1403[16:19:32] <petn-randall> ayekat: Btw, there's #debian-mentors on OFTC, it's a channel dedicated to packaging questions.
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• 1406[16:21:21] <JordiGH> Is rusty Firefox available on stable?
• 1407[16:21:21] <ayekat> petn-randall: ah, thanks
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• 1410[16:21:56] <petn-randall> JordiGH: What is rusty firefox?
• 1411[16:22:14] <JordiGH> The one that I thought required more rust to build than stable could handle.
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• 1415[16:23:04] <petn-randall> JordiGH: Check which version you exactly mean, and then check the version number in stable, I guess.
• 1416[16:23:22] <JordiGH> Yeah, I mean something newer than 52.
• 1417[16:23:29] <JordiGH> I think they're up to 57 or something.
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• 1419[16:23:59] <greycat> 09:27 tw> Will all of the rust build deps come through stretch-updates when firefox 52 esr goes EOL august 28?
• 1420[16:24:02] <greycat> 09:28 jelly> who knows
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• 1422[16:27:30] <jelly> 60esr is the next esr
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• 1428[16:39:43] <codingquark> On replaced-url
• 1429[16:41:33] <codingquark> Hmm, let me try this new thing
• 1430[16:41:36] <likcoras> I'd prefer local email (eg. cron emails and the such, sent to root) to be readable from an email provider (eg. gmail). What is the absolute simplest configuration that I could achieve this with?
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• 1433[16:42:30] <jelly> likcoras, do you need it delivered only locally, or both locally and to a remote address?
• 1434[16:42:38] <jelly> or just remotely?
• 1435[16:42:41] <likcoras> I don't mind if it's not delivered locally.
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• 1438[16:44:19] <jelly> then use one of the available nullmailer MTA-s, like msmtp-mta or ssmtp
• 1439[16:44:34] <bites> codingquark: that does not look like a place for systemd unit. ~/.config/systemd/user/ for user units and /etc/systemd/system/ if you want it system-wide
• 1440[16:44:54] <likcoras> jelly: alright, thanks for the pointers!
• 1441[16:45:06] <codingquark> bites: yeah, creating that file as we speak.
• 1442[16:45:31] <jelly> ,whatprovides mail-transport-agent
• 1443[16:45:33] <judd> Package mail-transport-agent in stretch/amd64 is provided by: citadel-server, courier-mta, dma, esmtp-run, exim4-daemon-heavy, exim4-daemon-light, msmtp-mta, nullmailer, opensmtpd, postfix, qmail-run, sendmail-bin, ssmtp.
• 1444[16:46:41] <jelly> or nullmailer. or dma if you also want a bit of local delivery. Dunno what esmtp-run is. Others are more full-blown smtp services.
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• 1446[16:47:10] <likcoras> dma supports this kind of setup?
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• 1448[16:49:33] <jelly> yes
• 1449[16:49:48] <jelly> but I haven't tried it recently
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• 1452[16:51:06] <jelly> eg. replaced-url
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• 1454[16:53:16] <jelly> and the everlasting question which /usr/sbin/sendmail should be installed by default replaced-url
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• 1456[16:57:14] <likcoras> Amazing...! This is exactly what I wanted! Thanks!
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• 1459[16:59:39] <JordiGH> "Starting from version 1.20.0+dfsg1-1 (i.e. the previous version) the Debian packages of rustc no longer fail their build if any tests fail."
• 1460[16:59:54] <JordiGH> This (and a longer explanation) showed up during `apt upgrade`.
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• 1466[17:01:22] <JordiGH> Where is this from? I thought I would see it in the Debian changelog, but it's not there: replaced-url
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• 1468[17:02:30] <JordiGH> Oh, it's in the NEWS file.
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• 1474[17:05:11] <JordiGH> Is there a better way to link to it than this? replaced-url
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• 1509[17:40:57] <josecapurro> Hello there! Anybody knows which opencv package do i need to install to have the utilities, like haartraining?
• 1510[17:41:16] <josecapurro> I can't find them with apt-cache
• 1511[17:41:31] <josecapurro> dpkg: haartraining
• 1512[17:41:32] <dpkg> josecapurro: are you using Windows?
• 1513[17:41:43] <greycat> is "haartraining" a file name?
• 1514[17:42:00] <greycat> ,file haartraining
• 1515[17:42:04] <judd> Search for haartraining in stretch/amd64: libopencv-dev: usr/bin/opencv_haartraining
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• 1517[17:42:27] <josecapurro> judd: Thanks!
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• 1574[18:23:09] <Zesk> Hello, I have a keepalived configured with a virtual_ipaddress on many interfaces. When I re-read/load with systemd-networkd, virtuals ips get lost and i have to restart keepavlied. Is it a normal behavior? or do I miss something
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• 1599[18:48:32] <Zesk> Hm, after a bit of thinking, maybe it's better to change network configuration on the fly with iproute2 rather than restart systemd-networkd.
• 1600[18:48:39] <Zesk> Isn't it?
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• 1610[18:54:59] <jhutchins_wk> Is there a way to query what symlinks connect to a real file/directory?
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• 1612[18:55:45] <greycat> Only brute force searching of all file systems.
• 1613[18:57:43] <tradar> and what if it was a hardlink? same?
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• 1618[18:59:03] <greycat> then you only have to search one file system. and you have the link-count to tell you when you can stop
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• 1622[19:00:10] <tradar> "stat file.txt" tells how many hardlinks point to the same inode, but there is a way to enumerate them directly?
• 1623[19:00:31] <greycat> no
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• 1632[19:02:42] <tradar> but (only talking about hardlinks) it could be possible for a given fileystem driver. Maybe it's just lacking of a [standard] interface for that. It would be a useful thing to have for backup programs for example.
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• 1667[19:24:05] <jhutchins_wk> In this case I linked a folder to a fairly deep tomcat folder, and I don't remember the whole path. I can dig it up again (documented), but a quick "list links" would be handy. Oh well.
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• 1670[19:26:55] <tradar> jhutchins_wk: syslinks are like text files: the path to the target is stored as the content of the file. Then, there is a flag that marks the file as "soft link". Not even the filesyetem driver could know which files point to another.
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• 1672[19:27:59] <jhutchins_wk> tradar: Understood. It's something that could theoretically be recorded in the metadata, but it isn't done that way.
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• 1686[19:42:50] <Slashman> hello, I have an issue with a brand new server on Debian 9, the bonding configuration fails at boot time but works after an ifdown, ifup, it looks like a race condition, any idea how I can make the interface work at boot? full log here with config: replaced-url
• 1687[19:43:39] <nkuttler> Slashman: and your config?
• 1688[19:43:54] <Slashman> nkuttler: at the end of the paste
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• 1692[19:45:48] <jhutchins_wk> Slashman: I take it this is a VM or a container?
• 1693[19:46:01] <Slashman> jhutchins_wk: bare metal
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• 1695[19:48:05] <Slashman> (mac address are hidden, that's not the real ones)
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• 1698[19:52:01] <Brigo> Slashman, did you find this? replaced-url
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• 1701[19:52:36] <Slashman> solved by moving the bond0 config before eno1 and eno2 in the config file
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• 1704[19:53:44] <Slashman> Brigo: looking at it, I didn't find this, thanks
• 1705[19:54:18] <Brigo> Slashman, maybe you are lucking and that works :)
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• 1707[19:54:45] <Slashman> Brigo: yeah I'm thinking just this, maybe next reboot the server will have no network
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• 1711[19:55:29] <Slashman> and knowing the Murphy law, this will happen at the worst possible moment :p
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• 1713[19:56:40] <Brigo> Slashman, it is a bug from 2014 already patched, it look like ...
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• 1715[19:57:35] <Slashman> Brigo: I actually have an include in /etc/network/interfaces, which is to /etc/network/interfaces.d/bond0.cfg, where the real config is, I'm trying without any include
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• 1718[19:58:08] <Brigo> Slashman, i don't think that's the problem.
• 1719[19:58:10] <Slashman> could be a strange bug with include ordering or something
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• 1721[19:59:52] <Brigo> Slashman, this debian bug is from this year: replaced-url
• 1722[19:59:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1723[19:59:55] <Slashman> it doesn't work without the include but with bond0 defined after the physical interface, rebooting...
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• 1726[20:02:32] <Slashman> Brigo: looks like it, it seems that this "delays" the bond interface by setting it up in /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf
• 1727[20:03:08] <Slashman> at least, for me, it seems to work by "just" putting bond0 config before physical interface in the config file
• 1728[20:03:30] <Brigo> good workaround then :)
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• 1801[21:03:16] <ca1ek> I've just suffered a horrible hang, my cpu usage went though the roof up to 28.00
• 1802[21:03:44] <ca1ek> all memory got used up in a couple of seconds and it started swapping
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• 1804[21:04:01] <ca1ek> which logs should i check to learn about what happened?
• 1805[21:04:24] <ca1ek> i think x11 or the nvidia driver did something extremely dumb
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• 1807[21:04:41] <Something1> dmesg journalctl always first places :)
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• 1810[21:06:26] <Something1> Sorry, my English can be terrible at times. If you´re using a GUI you can open the Logs app from GNOME if you have it installed. You can alternatively open a terminal and look at journatctl or dmesg to see recent events.
• 1811[21:06:54] <ca1ek> yeah i'm looking at dmesg
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• 1813[21:07:13] <ca1ek> can someone explain what is the number in the brackets? it's obviously some timestamp but i don't understand the format
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• 1816[21:07:57] <Something1> Try dmesg -T
• 1817[21:08:09] <MarioMey> Hello, there. I'm using Stretch Mate x64. I need to run an application (blenderplayer) but I don't want it to connect to Jack... or alsa. How can I do it? Maybe by modifying .alsoftr file? I think some day I did it, but now I don't remember.
• 1818[21:08:11] <ca1ek> oh that's nice
• 1819[21:08:14] <Somelauw> Can anyone tell me if there is a repo or anything where I can possibly make a PR for a custom keyboard layout?
• 1820[21:08:23] <BCMM> ca1ek: you mean the number in [] square brackets, at the start of the line?
• 1821[21:08:35] <ca1ek> yes
• 1822[21:08:42] <BCMM> ca1ek: it's just seconds since the machine booted up
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• 1824[21:09:24] <ca1ek> nothing in dmesg, just the information that sysrq is disabled (since that's what I tried to use to rescue the system)
• 1825[21:09:40] <ca1ek> and some segfaults of programs which ran using x11
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• 1835[21:13:22] <ca1ek> also nothing in journalctl but minissdpd spamming the logs
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• 1838[21:14:14] <ca1ek> i'm starting to suspect pulseaudipo
• 1839[21:14:19] <ca1ek> it's always pulseaudio
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• 1845[21:16:25] <ca1ek> If I do SysRq + I, what will systemd do? Will it just behave like I restarted the machine and start up all services?
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• 1853[21:20:45] <ca1ek> there's nothing in the logs for like 2 minutes before the crash
• 1854[21:20:52] <ca1ek> i guess it will remain a mystery
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• 1856[21:22:15] <ca1ek> is there some way to make the system kill any process the moment it goes over 3gb of ram?
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• 1858[21:22:59] <greycat> Globally, no, not so easy... you can set resource limits, but they are inherited, not applied globally.
• 1859[21:23:15] <greycat> If it's a specific thing that you want to kill, just stick the uname (or equivalent) into its startup script.
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• 1861[21:23:19] <greycat> err... ulimit
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• 1867[21:25:08] <Somelauw> j #linux
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• 1871[21:26:29] <sacarde> hi
• 1872[21:27:33] <sacarde> is possible to have , in /etc/network/interfaces, 2 definitions for one device wlan0 ?
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• 1876[21:28:19] <sacarde> and start one at a time
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• 1905[21:43:24] <jhutchins_wk> sacarde: It might be possible, but what people usually do is run Network Manager. Or wicd, but that's pretty obsolete now.
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• 1914[21:47:04] <sacarde> jhutchins_wk, have some example to show me?
• 1915[21:47:18] <sacarde> I dont use NM or wicd
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• 1921[21:52:23] <jhutchins_wk> I use NM
• 1922[21:52:42] <jhutchins_wk> It was made to manage connections like that.
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• 1924[21:53:03] <jhutchins_wk> No need to re-invent the scone.
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• 2025[23:01:18] <jhutchins_wk> sacarde: There are CLI interfaces for NM if that's what you need.
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• 2065[23:29:30] <beeman> hi. i have vmware-authdlauncher and vmware programs start on startup.. how do i diable it on startup plz?
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• 2070[23:32:28] <annadane> beeman, what desktop are you using, if any?
• 2071[23:32:38] <annadane> (i assume vmware is gui anyway)
• 2072[23:33:20] <beeman> yeah
• 2073[23:33:23] <beeman> xfce
• 2074[23:35:36] <annadane> applications - settings - session and startup
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• 2079[23:39:18] <beeman> annadane: its not there
• 2080[23:39:42] <annadane> check .config/autostart
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• 2083[23:41:29] <beeman> annadane: none
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• 2086[23:44:17] <annadane> .cache? otherwise i'm not sure
• 2087[23:44:37] <beeman> no
• 2088[23:44:42] <beeman> i dont have it on root folder
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