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30[00:12:11] <h0llywood1> hello, best way to remote desktop into debian testing? switching to gnome on xorg?
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36[00:14:33] <RoyK> h0llywood1: try #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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45[00:18:56] <h0llywood1> RoyK: thanks
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83[00:37:29] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded to Stretch and use KDE. Clicking the settings button in the battery widget to get to power management settings does nothing. What package do I need to be able to edit those settings in KDE
84[00:37:30] <Pegasus_RPG> ?
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89[00:39:51] <optional> hello
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96[00:41:42] <jeje> hello
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98[00:43:03] <jeje> !hours
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111[00:47:13] <shellclear> hello guys, I connected a bluetooth speaker to my systekm and it shows connected from gnome bluetooth settings but I cant speaker available gnome settings audio
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125[00:55:31] <wr> links seem down on wiki replaced-url
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136[01:03:14] <theablestman> hello is it possible to install debian from hhd ?
137[01:03:18] <theablestman> hdd
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141[01:05:36] <shellclear> how to solve the bluetooth speaking issue -> replaced-url
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147[01:09:23] <kingsley> Is there a list of interdependent Mesa, DRI and X debian packages?
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149[01:09:38] <kingsley> If so, where?
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210[01:52:41] <donald> what can I do to read systemlog with a graphic tool?
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215[01:55:00] <chinry> I am trying to setup a server on my debian machine but I am clueless on the subject. Can somebody redirect me to some info?
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218[01:56:06] <dvs> chinry, what kind of server?
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238[02:08:00] <donald> what can I do to read system log with a graphic tool to check system error?
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246[02:13:18] <n4dir> what kind of graphical tool do you want to use?
247[02:13:43] <videocall> what kernel options do i have to specify to boot up a Debian Live USB drive disabling all IDE disks an the SDD one too?
248[02:13:51] <videocall> what kernel options do i have to specify to boot up a Debian Live USB drive disabling all IDE disks an the SSD one too?
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251[02:14:33] <n4dir> i mean, you could redirect the output to a file and then read it with a graphical editor (but i wouldn't know what purpose that should serve).
252[02:14:41] <Pegasus_RPG> After upgrading to Stretch (Debian 9), my laptop has very low system entropy. Why might that be and is installing Haveged my only option?
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268[02:30:52] <orizzle> does anyone know of a freeware media server? i am trying to stream video from a capture card
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272[02:31:38] <dvs> ,v xbmc
273[02:31:39] <judd> Package: xbmc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; stretch: 2:17.1+dfsg1-3; sid: 2:17.6+dfsg1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2
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277[02:32:53] <orizzle> xbmc will handle live streams?
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280[02:34:02] <dvs> dunno
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282[02:34:20] <cluelessperson> I can't seem to figure out why this systemd unit won't start
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284[02:35:56] <GTAXL> Hello, there was kernel update 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 but I am seeing only 4.9+80+deb9u2 in apt-cache policy after update and I'm using native repos?
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287[02:37:27] <dvs> GTAXL, that's possible. There could be some fixes in the kernel
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291[02:38:01] <GTAXL> I got it through the debian security announce email, it says upgrade to that version, yet I'm not seeing it?
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293[02:41:10] <dvs> ii linux-image-amd64 4.9+80+deb9u2 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
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296[02:41:58] <GTAXL> DSA-4073-1
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298[02:42:14] <GTAXL> For the stable distribution (stretch), these problems have been fixed in
299[02:42:14] <GTAXL> version 4.9.65-3+deb9u1.
300[02:42:19] <GTAXL> what am I missing? confused
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302[02:44:15] <dvs> GTAXL, maybe you're missing the security repo
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306[02:44:42] <dvs> GTAXL, wait, 80 is newer than 65
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309[02:45:44] <cluelessperson> apparently this command doesn't work in systemd?
310[02:45:47] <orizzle> does anyone know of a freeware media server? i am trying to stream video from a capture card
311[02:46:00] <cluelessperson> /var/bitcoin/bitcoind/source/bitcoin/src/bitcoind -conf=/etc/bitcoin/bitcoin.conf
312[02:46:13] <cluelessperson> orizzle: ffmpeg, it's nontrivial
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316[02:48:19] <GTAXL> I have the security repo
317[02:48:41] <GTAXL> and no, the update is 4.9.65, that one being reported is 4.9+80
318[02:48:45] <GTAXL> no dot after the 9
319[02:49:09] <GTAXL> deb replaced-url
320[02:49:13] <GTAXL> and deb-src
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325[02:51:08] <DarkBass> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
326[02:51:30] <dvs> GTAXL, ah, the +80 is for the virtual package while 65 is for the actual kernel package.
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328[02:51:47] <GTAXL> idk what that means, virtual package?
329[02:52:23] <dvs> GTAXL, the virtual package, linux-image-amd64 always install the latest kernel package.
330[02:52:27] <GTAXL> I do a uname -a and yet it shows a date code of 2017-09-19, yet there was a kernel update 12/23
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332[02:52:44] <dvs> GTAXL, what doew "uname -r" say?
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334[02:52:59] <GTAXL> 4.9.0-3-amd64
335[02:53:12] <GTAXL> ofc I restarted after updating
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339[02:54:16] <dvs> ,v linux-image-4.9.0.4-amd64
340[02:54:17] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-4.9.0.4-amd64' was found in amd64.
341[02:54:33] <dvs> ,v linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
342[02:54:35] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.65-3; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.65-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
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349[02:57:20] <GTAXL> linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
350[02:57:30] <GTAXL> Installed: (none)
351[02:57:32] <GTAXL> I'm confused
352[02:57:49] <GTAXL> I see that package but it's not installed
353[02:58:09] <dvs> GTAXL, do you have linux-image-amd64 installed?
354[02:58:29] <GTAXL> yes
355[02:58:42] <GTAXL> but I don't have the other one installed o.o
356[02:58:54] <dvs> GTAXL, what does "ls /lib/modules" say?
357[02:59:17] <GTAXL> 3.16.0-4-amd64 4.9.0-3-amd64
358[02:59:58] <dvs> GTAXL, then you need to do an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
359[03:00:18] <GTAXL> will dist-upgrade break anything?
360[03:00:36] <dvs> GTAXL, not if you have all stable sources
361[03:01:10] <GTAXL> mmm, looks like it's just upgrading the kernel
362[03:01:11] <GTAXL> :)
363[03:01:21] <chinry> dvs, I am looking to setup an apache webserver and git remote server on the same machine but I don't know how to do dynamic dns.
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365[03:01:40] <dvs> neither do I
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369[03:04:16] <chinry> Thanks for the consideration, you're doing God's work here dvs.
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371[03:04:30] <orizzle> cluelessperson : that did the trick thank you
372[03:05:15] <cluelessperson> ExecStart=/var/bitcoin/bitcoind/source/bitcoin/src/bitcoind -conf=/etc/bitcoind/%i.conf
373[03:05:30] <cluelessperson> systemctl start file@config.service "unit file not found"
374[03:05:34] <cluelessperson> wtf, that's not a unit file
375[03:05:41] * cluelessperson hates this ****
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391[03:12:54] <noneal> I need help!
392[03:13:34] <dvs> !ask
393[03:13:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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395[03:15:26] <noneal> replaced-url
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397[03:16:13] <noneal> Error what do I do?
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399[03:16:22] <dvs> !ubuntu
400[03:16:22] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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496[04:28:12] <videocall> i am considering an Acer Aspire E5-576G-5762 laptop as my new years purchase, any debian issues?
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540[05:06:29] <cluelessperson> vincent_c: hi there.
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542[05:06:37] <cluelessperson> wrong guy, sorry
543[05:06:55] <cluelessperson> I cannot get this systemd unit to start
544[05:06:56] <cluelessperson> Active: failed (Result: signal) since Thu 2017-12-28 20:30:05 CST; 54min ago
545[05:06:58] <cluelessperson> I don't know why
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648[06:57:56] <OS-33132> !gamma
649[06:57:57] <dpkg> hmm... gamma is the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon
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654[07:14:09] <cluelessperson> Active: failed (Result: signal) since Thu 2017-12-28 20:30:05 CST; 54min ago
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661[07:18:34] <cluelessperson> I've gotten the problem down to this
662[07:18:36] <cluelessperson> ExecStart=/var/bitcoin/bitcoind/source/bitcoin/src/bitcoind -conf=/etc/bitcoind/mainnet.conf
663[07:18:42] <cluelessperson> the argument -conf= isn't working
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685[07:38:56] <eck> did you daemon-reload
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688[07:39:42] <eck> you need to daemon-reload every time you change the .service file
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698[07:54:32] <cluelessperson> eck: apparently I have to surround the argument in quotes
699[07:54:33] <cluelessperson> ExecStart=/var/bitcoin/bitcoind/source/bitcoin/src/bitcoind "-conf=/etc/bitcoind/mainnet.conf"
700[07:54:33] <cluelessperson> so ******* stupid
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705[07:56:42] <eck> you should not have to
706[07:57:05] <eck> the one on my system does not
707[07:57:42] <eck> replaced-url
708[07:57:55] <cluelessperson> eck: :/ I don't understand what
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710[07:58:27] <cluelessperson> hm
711[07:58:41] <cluelessperson> my system is slowing to a crawl when copying files between drves
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769[08:56:45] <darxmurf> hi all
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773[08:57:28] <darxmurf> what's the best practice to backup /* using rsnapshot, rsync://+ secret key or ssh using a password less key ?
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888[10:34:14] <lord_rob> Hi! I did a mistake with gpg: I removed ~/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg and now I can't regenerate this file, anyone can help me ?
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892[10:38:29] <bzed> lord_rob: will be created automatically as soo as gpg needs one, but if you have your own private keys you might need to edit them and set the ownertrust
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897[10:43:05] <sumomo> Hello
898[10:43:19] <sumomo> I have a problem with debian 9.3 at installation time. The Network is not working. Intel e1000e 3.2.6-k (Intel PRO/1000), some messages in the log: eno1: renamed from eth0 - NIC Link is Down - Carrier down. If I boot to the installed CentOS 6.9, the network functions properly. Any ideas?
899[10:43:42] <sumomo> I configured the interface with the same settings, IP, Gateway, Subnet, DNS like in the CentOS installation... still nothing
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904[10:47:09] <lord_rob> bzed: actually doing "dpg --gen-key" and then gpg told me that my trust database was corrupt, and that I had to regenerate it manually. But I did the steps in a wrong order and deleted that trustdb.gpg. Now I'm stuck ...
905[10:48:35] <lord_rob> I was actually*
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907[10:49:59] <bzed> lord_rob: did you not have your own gpg key yet? then don't worry
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914[10:54:29] <lord_rob> no gpg key indeed :) my goal is to get one
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948[11:19:43] <lord_rob> I keep getting "Key generation failed: No such file or directory"
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956[11:23:35] <lord_rob> Ah I did it as root and it solved the problem
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960[11:25:19] <neure> hi
961[11:25:27] <neure> what could cause delgroup --system --only-if-empty being stuck?
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973[11:31:38] <notafemalenot13> When I typed "postgresql" into the "software" application on Debian, it didn't show PostgreSQL. Only a bunch of crap related to it.
974[11:32:23] <notafemalenot13> When I guessed my way into typing "apt-get install postgresql" in a terminal, it outputted a bunch of stuff in a weird font and then nothing happened. No icon popped up on the desktop. No GUI box. No message explaining anything. Nothing.
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994[11:43:26] <oo_miguel> I do not have an xorg.conf and the (proprietary) nvidia driver is loaded and works, however xorg does not even attempt to load the "intel" driver (which I need for my other gpu). How can I fix this?
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997[11:43:57] <oo_miguel> according to Xorg.0.log it tries a few other drivers but unloads them (intel is not listed at all)
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1018[12:02:31] <gpunk> install bumblebee
1019[12:02:57] <gpunk> assuming you got a laptop with hybrib videocard
1020[12:03:18] <oo_miguel> I have a desk with an onboard intel gpu and an nvidia gtx980
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1022[12:04:10] <gpunk> the intel card must be disabled in the bios ...
1023[12:04:35] <NetTerminalGene> anyone here uses bijiben on gnome. it takes time to open. do you have a solution for that?
1024[12:04:38] <oo_miguel> the intel onboard gpu is enabled in the bios and works infe under another OS
1025[12:04:44] <oo_miguel> along the nvidia
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1027[12:04:53] <oo_miguel> works fine*
1028[12:04:56] <gpunk> what other OS ?
1029[12:04:58] <oo_miguel> win10
1030[12:05:04] <oo_miguel> and win7
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1039[12:08:10] <oo_miguel> restarting once again. be right back
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1053[12:13:39] <Rembo> hello everyone, i'm getting this: replaced-url
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1058[12:17:33] <gpunk> can you upgrade your system ?
1059[12:18:26] <Rembo> gpunk, i already upgrade the sistem to debian 8
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1064[12:19:14] <HeXiLeD> is there an app that can force and make permanent the size of the windows we want for all apps. ? ie: maximise, minimise, full screen, height and width ... and so on ?
1065[12:19:16] <gpunk> what are trying to install ? you have to check the requirements of that soft
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1083[12:35:58] <jelly> ,v gcc-6
1084[12:35:59] <judd> Package: gcc-6 on amd64 -- stretch: 6.3.0-18; buster: 6.4.0-11; sid: 6.4.0-11
1085[12:36:17] <jelly> Rembo, there is no gcc 6.x for debian 8.
1086[12:37:55] <Rembo> jelly: replaced-url
1087[12:39:45] <jelly> Rembo, you built your own?
1088[12:41:52] <jelly> if you have a custom build of gcc there's not much distro people can do if it's broken
1089[12:42:06] <jelly> ask in a gcc-related channel I guess
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1114[12:57:31] <kbr> hiya, I have some trouble with spamhaus since I upgraded my server to stretch. For some reason the machine doesn't get any responses from the DNSBL nameservers anymore. I'm a little stuck on debugging this, esp. since the machine one hop down can still do the exact same query and get a response. Any ideas?
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1142[13:13:55] <reber> hey all
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1144[13:14:14] <reber> ** Seccomp prevented execution of syscall 0000000041 on architecture amd64 **** any help
1145[13:14:22] <reber> on apt-get update
1146[13:15:19] <jelly> reber, which debian release is this? Which syscall is it? replaced-url
1147[13:15:36] <reber> jelly, it's buster
1148[13:16:22] <reber> jelly, no idea of what syscall is
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1150[13:17:09] <reber> 41 socket sys_socket net/socket.c ?
1151[13:18:07] <jelly> reber, not sure if that's base 10 41, socket() or base 16 0x41 = 65 semop(). Check for bug reports for apt package, and file a bug report if it's not there already.
1152[13:18:16] <jelly> !debian-next
1153[13:18:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1154[13:18:34] <jelly> and also, ask there ^
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1158[13:19:31] <jelly> reber, might also want to do a web search for "Seccomp prevented execution of syscall 0000000041 on architecture amd64"
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1163[13:20:56] <reber> jelly I can't join this channel (must be invited)
1164[13:21:15] <reber> jelly, already search this error
1165[13:21:18] <jelly> > on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net)
1166[13:21:25] <reber> jelly, he workaround didn't worked for me
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1172[13:24:02] <reber> *he *the
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1195[13:47:50] <dFence> hey guys!
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1198[13:51:54] <dFence> I’ve had some trouble when updating my mail server packages recently (at least 2 or 3 times as far as I can remember) - every time something related to the mail setup (postfix, dovecot, spamassassin, amavis, opendkim and opendmarc) gets updated, the folder permissions for /var/spool/postfix get messed up; for the last 2 times, the folder was owned by opendkim/opendkim
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1200[13:52:32] <dFence> is this a known bug? (couldn’t find anything but maybe I’m using the wrong search terms) or a random quirk?
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1202[13:54:04] <dFence> my working theory is that opendmarc is launched first and then messing about with the permissions before postfix or any other connected service is launched
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1204[13:58:15] <somiaj> dFence: what version of debian do you run?
1205[13:58:42] <dFence> somiaj: stretch
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1208[13:59:11] <somiaj> yea that is strange security updates are changing permissions, I would check the postinst scripts of the packages you think might be doing that.
1209[13:59:23] <somiaj> all the scripts should be located in /var/lib/dpkg/info
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1213[14:01:01] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 running stretch. It doesn't seem ever to want to boot from a stick. Every time i try it (somehow) tries to do it but inexplicably returns to stretch with no input possible. What could be going on?
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1215[14:01:22] <dFence> somiaj: thanks, I’ll poke around
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1232[14:16:52] <darxmurf> okay folks, time to leave work !
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1235[14:17:08] <Phrk_> hey any info about how to install stretch in serial console ?
1236[14:17:08] <darxmurf> Have a good end of year everybody
1237[14:17:15] <Phrk_> I only find doc for debian jessie 8
1238[14:17:30] <darxmurf> Phrk_: you have to find an image ready for that I think
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1240[14:18:00] <darxmurf> or maybe have a console redirection option in your bios
1241[14:19:29] <Phrk_> darxmurf, they say you need to mod isolinux/isolinux.cfg but there is no such file in stretch iso
1242[14:19:50] <Phrk_> i want the official iso not some weird iso hack
1243[14:20:53] <darxmurf> but this file should be in the iso boot loader isn't it ?
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1245[14:23:03] <Phrk_> darxmurf, yeah i think so
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1250[14:26:14] <darxmurf> you have to extract it then
1251[14:26:28] <darxmurf> then mount/edit it and re-inject it in your iso
1252[14:26:40] <Phrk_> darxmurf, of course i already did that
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1254[14:27:00] <Phrk_> like i said there is no isolinux folder since it's for debian 8
1255[14:27:18] <Phrk_> but there is grub folder in /boot
1256[14:27:25] <Phrk_> maybe i can force grub to boot in serial
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1266[14:30:47] <dFence> somiaj: I can rule out a postinst script, it happens with restarts too
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1270[14:32:28] <darxmurf> hmmm don't know then sorry
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1272[14:33:52] <darxmurf> see you then !
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1280[14:36:25] <Stranger__> My system is hung showing DRM drm_atomic_helper_commit_cleanup_done error crtc 26 pipe a, I am using Debian 9.2
1281[14:36:38] <Stranger__> What to do
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1288[14:39:00] <somiaj> dFence: hmm. Unsure what could be resetting the permissions, might have to track down exactly which program it is then maybe file a bug.
1289[14:39:31] <Stranger__> My system is hung showing DRM drm_atomic_helper_commit_cleanup_done error crtc 26 pipe a, I am using Debian 9.2
1290[14:40:34] <Brigo> Stranger__, i think it is related to your graphic card. What graphic car do you have?
1291[14:40:48] <Stranger__> Intel
1292[14:41:00] <dFence> somiaj: oh joy, only unteen services that might be causing it ;)
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1294[14:41:23] <Stranger__> I have set the video=SVIDEO-1:d in my grub
1295[14:41:42] <Brigo> Stranger__, what kernel version?
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1299[14:42:18] <Stranger__> 4.9.0.4
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1302[14:42:55] <Brigo> Stranger__, it looks like is related to the kernel: replaced-url
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1311[14:45:01] <Stranger__> How to downgrade to 4.4 or below kernel
1312[14:45:26] <Brigo> Stranger__, Just install the right package
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1314[14:46:12] <Stranger__> Which package
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1316[14:47:39] <Brigo> Stranger__, search for linux image 4.4 or 4.5
1317[14:47:43] <Brigo> sorry i have to go.
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1320[14:48:13] <babilen> Stranger__: Which kernel do you use now?
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1322[14:48:39] <babilen> Ah, 4.9.0.4 -- Why do you think a < 4.4 kernel would help?
1323[14:48:46] <babilen> dpkg: bdo kernel
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1325[14:48:57] <babilen> It would be easier to try a newer one ^
1326[14:49:46] <Stranger__> 4.9.0.4
1327[14:49:53] <oskie> i just upgraded jessie->stretch, now yubiserver auth with ssh no longer works. SSH says "error: PAM: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info"
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1329[14:52:01] <Stranger__> My /Dev/sda1 is showing 100 used
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1334[14:54:08] <babilen> Stranger__: Try a newer kernel - Is the system not booting at all?
1335[14:55:36] <babilen> "deb replaced-url
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1338[14:56:29] <babilen> I'd also remove the intel xorg driver, tbh
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1340[14:57:44] <Stranger__> System boot n hung at the DRM error, as I mentioned earlier, my Dev/sda1 is showing used 100
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1342[14:59:00] <somiaj> dFence: I wonder if doing some sort of iotop or something like that, stoping and starting services will help.
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1348[15:00:08] <dFence> somiaj: good idea, thanks; will have to wait until night though otherwise the bitching is gonna be intolerable ;D
1349[15:01:42] <Stranger__> My system is hung showing DRM drm_atomic_helper_commit_cleanup_done error crtc 26 pipe a, I am using Debian 9.2 with Linux 4.9 kernel
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1356[15:05:29] <abrotman> Stranger__: Does it boot if the partition is not full?
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1363[15:08:31] <Stranger__> It boots then hangs and shows me this error، also my Dev/sda1 is showing 100 used
1364[15:08:48] <Stranger__> I am able to boot in recovery only
1365[15:08:50] <somiaj> Stranger__: try a live syste and free up some space first.
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1367[15:09:01] <somiaj> in recovery mode try to free up some space on /dev/sda1
1368[15:09:02] <abrotman> Stranger__: What is "recovery"?
1369[15:09:11] <abrotman> Stranger__: can you delete files in that mode?
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1372[15:09:42] <Stranger__> Yes I can delete files in recovery, how can I free space what to delete
1373[15:10:05] <abrotman> Stranger__: /dev/sda1 is your / (root) partition?>
1374[15:10:14] <Stranger__> Yee
1375[15:10:16] <Stranger__> Yes
1376[15:10:19] <abrotman> what does "df -h" show?
1377[15:10:36] <abrotman> if /var/ is not separate, see if you have a very large log file in /var/log/ you can remove to clear up some space
1378[15:10:41] <Stranger__> Dev/sda1 used 100
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1382[15:13:48] <Stranger__> Which files can I remove in root to free some space
1383[15:14:24] <somiaj> you were suggested to first see if you have any large log files in /var/log, /var/cache/apt/archives can also use up a lot of space if it still contains downloaded copies of all the .deb files you have installed.
1384[15:15:27] <Stranger__> I removed a log file Daemon .log in log that was 8gb,
1385[15:16:04] <Stranger__> Should I remove all archive In apt/archive
1386[15:16:05] <somiaj> I would have at laest looked at why it was so big, sounds like one of your daemons is producing a lot of output.
1387[15:16:20] <somiaj> 8gigs should be enough space to get thigns working again, though I have a feeling that log file will fill back up
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1389[15:17:12] <Stranger__> I will see that in future, when it grows again, tell me can I remove all archives in Apt/archives
1390[15:17:27] <dutchfish> Stranger__, also put some time to understand aptitude autoclean, how to clean up tar.gz log files and as somiaj told you.
1391[15:18:16] <waydot> anyone here using selinux with stretch? I'm not sure how policies in /usr/share/selinux/default are supposed to work ...
1392[15:18:27] <kale> heh, in woody it would always ask if it should save the .deb files. now they just take up space :-)
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1394[15:19:18] <somiaj> kale: I don't recall that, it has been this way for a while. Though apt and aptitude by default will delete the .deb files after they are installed, only apt-get keeps them around by default
1395[15:19:31] <somiaj> kale: this can be configured via a config file too
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1397[15:19:54] <dutchfish> waydot, just ask, dont ask if .....
1398[15:20:02] <kale> somiaj: could you help me out here. i have been looking for that. i am using apt-get, used dselect earlier.
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1400[15:20:37] <somiaj> kale: what exactly do you want? Do you want apt-get to not keep .deb in archive by default?
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1402[15:20:52] <kale> somiaj: i want the .deb files to be deleted after they have been installed.
1403[15:21:08] <kale> i mean right after, not later by some cleanup daemon.
1404[15:21:21] <somiaj> Stranger__: please don't msg people, keep questions in debian. Yes you can delete that, though 8gigs should be enough get thigns working though.
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1406[15:22:15] <waydot> selinux; well, that's the thing, i'm guessing the policies should be loaded, but i get a ton of denies for packages with their own policies, specifically vnstatd and zabbix
1407[15:22:30] <somiaj> kale: read /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz -- Binary::apt-get::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages should be set to 'false'
1408[15:22:49] <waydot> selinux; so my question is: are the policies actually kosher, or should we tweak them on our own?
1409[15:22:50] <somiaj> or you can set APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages to "false"
1410[15:23:09] <dutchfish> Stranger__, replaced-url
1411[15:23:17] <kale> somiaj: thank you very much, i have been looking for this for a long time! but sadly read the wrong docs.
1412[15:24:33] <somiaj> kale: the news file is a good place to look for changes.
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1414[15:25:53] <kale> somiaj: have been off debian for a 4-6 year period, might have happened in that period. so i went from woody to wheezy and missing everything in between.
1415[15:26:07] <somiaj> this is a new thing in stretch
1416[15:26:17] <somiaj> I don't think these features on in wheezy
1417[15:26:22] <somiaj> ,v apt
1418[15:26:23] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.8; buster: 1.6~alpha5; sid: 1.6~alpha5
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1420[15:27:40] <kale> hmm. ok, but thanks anyways.
1421[15:28:46] <dutchfish> waydot, does this sound familiar? replaced-url
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1423[15:29:17] <dutchfish> waydot, hard to answer your questions without more specific detail
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1433[15:30:44] <Stranger__> I have sys log file 5.8 g n syslog.1 2.3 g
1434[15:30:54] <Stranger__> Should I delete them
1435[15:30:55] <dutchfish> waydot, for zabbix i have run into replaced-url
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1438[15:31:45] <babilen> Stranger__: As earlier: You might want to take a look at their content and figure out what's causing them to grow
1439[15:32:21] <dutchfish> Stranger__, as a rule of thumb i dont delete log files which havent been gzipped, just in case. If you are really in high needs, make backups of the .1 etc, then delete them, dont touch the latest ones with .log endings.
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1441[15:33:00] <Stranger__> Which are latest ones .log or .1 ones
1442[15:33:07] <waydot> dutchfish: thanks for the effort, I imagine not providing any more detail makes it somewhat challenging to troubleshoot :)
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1446[15:33:20] <Stranger__> Can I share you my log so can peek into them,
1447[15:33:22] <dutchfish> waydot, np, good luck
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1449[15:33:26] <waydot> dutchfish: these seem quite specific, my setup seems as if no policy is loaded at all
1450[15:33:59] <waydot> eg, i get such denies: avc: denied { open } for pid=786 comm="vnstatd" path="/sys/devices/virtual/net/eth0.2/speed" dev="sysfs"
1451[15:34:06] <dutchfish> waydot, its not all that straightforward, take a peak here replaced-url
1452[15:35:28] <dutchfish> waydot, if not needed also consider the apparmor route .... depends on your use case.
1453[15:35:47] <Stranger09> dutchfish: can i show my logs to you , sys,log
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1455[15:35:59] <dutchfish> !pastebin
1456[15:35:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
1457[15:36:31] <waydot> dutchfish: i've thought about that; i'd really like to learn selinux, tho
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1460[15:37:11] <dutchfish> waydot, fair enough, use the wiki, read it until you grasp the concept and how to coop with problems
1461[15:37:19] <waydot> dutchfish: perhaps a more direct question that will allow me to analyse the actual state; is it possible to revert .pp.bz2 files into something human readable?
1462[15:38:07] <babilen> Stranger__: Feel free to paste parts thereof to replaced-url
1463[15:38:08] <dutchfish> waydot, maybe some laugh at this, but mc has all the nitty gritty buildin to read, without producing all the clutter ;)
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1466[15:39:29] <dutchfish> waydot, there are others as well, if reading is only what you need
1467[15:39:45] <waydot> it does?
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1469[15:39:54] <waydot> i dont mind, if it works :)
1470[15:40:04] <dutchfish> waydot, works for me
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1476[15:41:10] <waydot> hm, i must not have everything installed, i just see the binery content
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1479[15:42:00] <dutchfish> waydot, well, you cant read bin's, but at least you can read the readable content
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1484[15:42:10] <waydot> in general, do you feel that distro maintainers keep up with policies? or does it require quite a bit of tweaking? (not necessarily manual, i mean you can profile an app)
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1486[15:42:28] <waydot> dutchfish: ah, i see what you mean
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1490[15:43:11] <Stranger09> babilen: here it is top 100 lines replaced-url
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1495[15:44:10] <hexhaxtron> I need to cut a portion of a .mp4 video. With which easy-to-use tool can I do this?
1496[15:44:25] <dutchfish> waydot, it depends, debian has quiet some specifics about the packaging system, for the rest alot is already replaced-url
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1498[15:44:38] <dutchfish> !debianlove
1499[15:44:39] <dpkg> debianlove is probably the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see replaced-url
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1503[15:46:14] <waydot> dutchfish: thanks for all the info :)
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1505[15:46:49] <dutchfish> waydot, yw
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1511[15:47:36] <Stranger09> dutchfish: give a peek into it
1512[15:47:43] <Stranger09> i have shared the log file
1513[15:48:11] <dutchfish> Stranger09, reading it, a sec
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1516[15:49:54] <dutchfish> Stranger09, have you looked at `systemctl status` ?
1517[15:51:22] <dutchfish> Stranger09, also journalctl should contain details
1518[15:51:50] <Stranger09> daemon.log replaced-url
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1520[15:52:25] <Stranger09> dutchfish: i will see the systemctl status
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1523[15:53:32] <dutchfish> Stranger09, there is 'alot' in the logs i would look into, things that according to common sence should be omitted, if security has a high prio on your list.....
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1527[15:54:53] <Stranger09> what i have to do
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1529[15:55:04] <Stranger09> here is systemctl status graph replaced-url
1530[15:55:32] <dutchfish> Stranger09, security starts with ommiting things you dont need, also give these a peak | netstat -nla | ps auxww | then star with selinux. That would narrow down alot of things to solve.
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1534[15:57:02] <dutchfish> Stranger09, at least you have no defunct things in systemd, but ... alot of info is revealed to work on first....
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1536[15:57:15] <SanchoPensa> hey, guys!
1537[15:57:34] <Stranger09> dutchfish: what i have to do i am not getting you properly
1538[15:57:35] <arora> SanchoPensa: Hello!
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1540[15:57:56] <Stranger09> does tail on log file show latest lines
1541[15:57:59] <SanchoPensa> i seem to be suffering from the misconception, that, after some 15 years, I knew, how to lay an audio CD on my computer
1542[15:58:10] <SanchoPensa> I do have libdvdcss and all installed
1543[15:58:37] <SanchoPensa> yet still, i keep getting errors from VLC, and not very selfexplanatory ones too... What am I missing?
1544[15:58:53] <arora> What errors do you get?
1545[15:59:20] <SanchoPensa> Your input can't be opened: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'cdda://sr1/Track%204.wav'. Check the log for details.
1546[15:59:20] <dutchfish> Stranger09, uninstall packages you dont need, as far as your logs reveal, this is more or less a generic workstation setup. With quiet alot of packages installed that communicate with the net, that opens up possibilties to get vulnerable. Think about it.
1547[15:59:24] <SanchoPensa> what log?
1548[15:59:57] <gpunk> SanchoPensa is your CD scratched ?
1549[16:00:07] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: defionitely nope
1550[16:00:13] <dutchfish> Stranger09, such a case is hard/extremely hard to get secure and configure selinux the right way, when this is a primer for you.
1551[16:00:36] <gpunk> run vlc from a terminal
1552[16:00:44] <SanchoPensa> it seems to be some sort of copy protection, whli i must insist, that i am NOT trying to rip or copy, but to PLAY.
1553[16:00:47] <gpunk> you will see more infos
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1556[16:01:01] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: ill do, sec pls
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1558[16:01:53] <gpunk> oh, this is not an audio CD
1559[16:02:03] <Stranger09> using synatic package manager i dont have enough knowledege which package to keep or remove ..
1560[16:02:06] <gpunk> it s a CD with .wav files
1561[16:02:36] <gpunk> fyi
1562[16:03:03] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: yes it is, i can see that tunar, i can just on click it open, no matter with what...
1563[16:03:17] <SanchoPensa> here is, what commanline returns, gpunk replaced-url
1564[16:03:19] <gpunk> hmm, is your locale ok ?
1565[16:03:20] <Stranger09> dutchfish: how can my logfiles not bloat that much,
1566[16:03:26] <gpunk> i dont like that percent
1567[16:03:37] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: i suppose so? i have actually never set one?
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1569[16:03:56] <dutchfish> Stranger09, reread all i have said, give a new thought.
1570[16:04:15] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: err, what percent..?
1571[16:04:16] <gpunk> hmm, your user doesnt have the rights , to use the CD/ROM
1572[16:04:24] <SanchoPensa> WHAT?!?
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1574[16:04:35] <SanchoPensa> i played a ce only yesterday? :D
1575[16:04:39] <gpunk> the persent in the files name
1576[16:04:59] <gpunk> well .... did you boot with the CD in ?
1577[16:05:15] <gpunk> (now or today)
1578[16:05:31] <SanchoPensa> geez i dont get it, you mean a sampersant?
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1580[16:05:43] <gpunk> the %
1581[16:06:22] <SanchoPensa> ok, now you got all confused fianlly, cos my link dindt have any %s...
1582[16:06:23] <gpunk> can you eject the CD with the eject command ?
1583[16:06:31] <SanchoPensa> yes, i can!
1584[16:06:44] <dutchfish> Stranger09, maybe selinux is not for you, maybe delve into apparmor first and do some LPI reading.
1585[16:06:55] <SanchoPensa> and, as said, thunar shows it's content, i just thows an error with no matter what
1586[16:07:11] <SanchoPensa> or, actually audacity just does nothing
1587[16:07:13] <gpunk> did you restart XFCE ?
1588[16:07:19] <SanchoPensa> nope?
1589[16:07:22] <SanchoPensa> should I?
1590[16:07:25] <gpunk> can you ? plz
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1592[16:07:45] <SanchoPensa> didi someone swindle me into a windows root kit, or wha do I need a restart? :D
1593[16:07:57] <SanchoPensa> i'll be back in a sec...
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1595[16:08:01] <gpunk> ok
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1598[16:09:17] <Stranger09> dutchfish: i need ist to read the stuff around them i havent heard anything like it before, yes i surely would prefer secure system.. can u guide me in way, so that i can understand what u trying me to understand
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1606[16:12:00] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: same error, unfortunately...
1607[16:12:00] <dutchfish> Stranger09, well, to my humble opinion selinux is to harden a linux system, there are a few other ways to do so. But before you do, secure your system by ommiting what you dont need, make a good plan about your system and your needs. If done so, read all about selinux (or other topics about hardening your system). I hope i was clear.
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1609[16:12:32] <gpunk> and yesterday , the same action worked?
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1611[16:12:52] <SanchoPensa> yep, but with a differen cd
1612[16:13:00] <gpunk> ah
1613[16:13:19] <gpunk> what you got is a DVD , that s what the error says
1614[16:13:27] <Stranger09> dutchfish: i use system for software development purpose, n little multimedia ,tv series movies etc,
1615[16:13:33] <SanchoPensa> but it is definitely a cd
1616[16:13:40] <SanchoPensa> it is WAY too old, to be a dvd
1617[16:13:57] <gpunk> lol
1618[16:13:57] <SanchoPensa> plis., it is a labeled original cd
1619[16:14:14] <SanchoPensa> like, old school, bought in a shop, n suff, u know?
1620[16:14:16] <gpunk> can you copy those wav files to your desktop ?
1621[16:14:25] <SanchoPensa> i doubt it, let me try...
1622[16:14:28] <gpunk> has it ever worked ? this cd
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1624[16:14:55] <gpunk> does it work elsewhere?
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1626[16:15:28] <dutchfish> Stranger09, i think this is the right place to start replaced-url
1627[16:15:31] <SanchoPensa> yes, it has, and nope the old omne doesnt work any longer either...
1628[16:15:36] <SanchoPensa> holy cow?
1629[16:15:53] <SanchoPensa> what the freakin !((§&/$%?§$ have i broken now again?!?
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1631[16:16:09] <gpunk> the dvdrom drive might be giving up... how old is it?
1632[16:16:15] <SanchoPensa> remember that CD fro yesterday? it doesnt play that anymore either...
1633[16:16:21] <SanchoPensa> ages
1634[16:16:26] <SanchoPensa> 8 yrs or seomthing
1635[16:16:32] <SanchoPensa> but i got two of them...
1636[16:16:43] <gpunk> cool, can you swap drives ?
1637[16:16:44] <dutchfish> Stranger09, more links on the bottom of that page.
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1640[16:18:19] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: geezus age Kreyst, it works! or in other words, my damned dvd burner just walked out on me!
1641[16:18:29] <gpunk> :)
1642[16:18:33] <gpunk> shit happends
1643[16:18:42] <SanchoPensa> no good installing libdvdcss2 then... :D
1644[16:18:57] <gpunk> nope it is for decrypting dvds
1645[16:18:58] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: yeah sure does, thanks for your help bro! appreciate it! :)
1646[16:19:06] <gpunk> no prob.
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1648[16:19:34] <SanchoPensa> gpunk: yeah it obvioisly unfortunately does not repair broken roms, thos coders could really have tried a lil harder... :D
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1650[16:19:50] <gpunk> :)
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1652[16:20:11] <Stranger09> dutchfish: i will start working on these tips.. incase i need more mentorship i may ask for u again, are u usually here with same name
1653[16:21:53] <dutchfish> Stranger09, np, if you have specific quesiton about debian/selinux you can ask in here or in #selinux. You can see SElinux as a part of the hardening process, there is no silver bullet, but SElinux is part of it, as some sort of a system-call firewall.
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1657[16:23:04] <Stranger09> dutchfish: yes sure , tell me how can i get detailed look on my packages, so that i can remove the ones which arent any use to me
1658[16:23:06] <dutchfish> Stranger09, apparmor is maybe easier to start with
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1660[16:23:43] <dutchfish> Stranger09, hardening a system is a complex thing, not for the faint of hearth ones
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1663[16:24:40] <dutchfish> Stranger09, but very rewarding, ones you have mastered it ;)
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1665[16:25:19] <dutchfish> Stranger09, in any case, good luck.
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1667[16:26:03] <Stranger09> i will try to improve on it , how can i get detailed look on my applications so that i can remove the ones which arent needed my me
1668[16:26:22] <dutchfish> Stranger09, to have a detailed look at what is installed start aptitude in interactive mode (be patient)
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1679[16:28:10] <dutchfish> Stranger09, also try to grasp all the dependecies, between all the packages. aptitude why [foo] is very helpfull.
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1696[16:33:33] <Phrk_> i can now boot the iso on the serial console but when kernel is launching i got this : /bin/sh: 0: can't access tty; job control turned off
1697[16:33:35] <Phrk_> any help ?
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1699[16:34:07] <kewiha> How do I make unprivileged LXC containers start at boot? Using a fresh debian stretch amd64 install. I have added "lxc.start.auto = 1" and "lxc.group = onboot" to the configs of my containers.
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1721[16:46:48] <kewiha> How do I make unprivileged LXC containers start at boot? Using a fresh debian stretch amd64 install. I have added "lxc.start.auto = 1" and "lxc.group = onboot" to the configs of my containers.
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1729[16:49:48] <CeBe> hi, can someone explain or send me a link of some details on how postfix is started on debian stretch? as far as I see from /lib/systemd/system, the postfix.service starts /bin/true
1730[16:50:05] <CeBe> why is that and how does it start postfix?
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1748[17:00:32] <jelly> CeBe, postfix systemd setup has support for multiple instance, and this includes the common case with just one instance. There's a generator and the first, unnamed instance gets to have a service called "postfix@-.service"
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1753[17:01:50] <jelly> CeBe, /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian
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1757[17:03:17] <jelly> and in general,
1758[17:03:25] <jelly> !readme.debian
1759[17:03:26] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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1762[17:05:23] <CeBe> thanks jelly, I knew about postfix@-.service, but I only see a symlink postfix.service -> /lib/systemd/system/postfix.service in multi-user.target.wants
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1765[17:05:52] <CeBe> so I wonder how systemd knows that it should start postfix@-.service as well
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1771[17:08:29] <jelly> CeBe, I bet you don't have a getty@tty4.service either and yet a login prompt opens on Ctrl-Alt-F4
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1773[17:08:57] <jelly> I have no idea how and when generators work, either
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1775[17:09:28] <CeBe> good point, yeah. I want to get behind this magic :)
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1778[17:10:06] <CeBe> there is PartOf=postfix.service in /lib/systemd/system/postfix@.service which makes it stop or restart, when postfix.service is stopped or restarted
1779[17:10:07] <waydot> sigh ... it used to be simple
1780[17:10:12] <jelly> apparently the autogenerated services appear under /run/systemd/
1781[17:11:16] <CeBe> ls -la /run/systemd/generator
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1783[17:11:54] <CeBe> this one has postfix.service.wants which contains postfix@-.service -> /lib/systemd/system/postfix@.service
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1785[17:13:46] <CeBe> aha! cat /lib/systemd/system-generators/postfix-instance-generator
1786[17:14:10] <CeBe> man systemd.generator
1787[17:15:10] <CeBe> jelly: seems the generator creates the file dependent on the postfix configuration based on postmulti
1788[17:15:26] <CeBe> thanks for the hints!
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1791[17:16:45] <waydot> CeBe: so, where's /usr/sbin/postfix listed?
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1793[17:17:09] <CeBe> waydot: it is not, postfix instances are managed via postmulti
1794[17:17:31] <waydot> CeBe: ah, right, and that one's in the postfix@.service
1795[17:17:34] <waydot> got it
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1797[17:17:43] <CeBe> yes
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1803[17:18:26] <waydot> i still prefer /etc/rc.d/ :P
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1806[17:19:31] <CeBe> I like systemd the more I learn how it works
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1813[17:23:13] <jelly> !!!!
1814[17:23:13] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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1825[17:30:13] <jhutchins> Why do we still have six virtual consoles when almost all instances of linux either run on a headless VM or use a GUI?
1826[17:31:42] <waydot> six? i think we have more
1827[17:31:49] <GNU\colossus> these days, they're often started "on demand" anyway
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1829[17:32:43] <GNU\colossus> and a lingering getty isn't anything to care about even for embedded devices these days, don't you think?
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1831[17:33:31] <waydot> it's waste
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1839[17:38:59] <bipul> I am unable to detect my second monitor. It says "could not get screen information" inside gnome-control-center display
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1860[17:54:28] <jhutchins> waydot: It's six. It's always been six.
1861[17:55:23] <waydot> jhutchins: consoles are not the same as gettys
1862[17:55:40] <jhutchins> waydot: Whatever.
1863[17:56:07] <waydot> well, no it's kinda the same as saying parking spots are the same as cars
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1868[17:59:40] <vizzy> what about bug 884762? cant i update my system without breaking everything up?
1869[17:59:46] <vizzy> some systems are affected.... great info
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1874[18:00:45] <vizzy> and wow, what a pain that i cant update the other packages withoput updating the kernel, this is weird
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1881[18:03:49] <donofrio> anyone else here using debain noroot on there arm8 device, wondering how to get keyboard up in xfce
1882[18:03:56] <vizzy> ok, when i unselect the buggy kernel image i cannot update anything, crazy shit
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1899[18:10:16] <donofrio> trying to install ssh but getting error that says (as root) "dpkg: error: error creating file '/var/lib/dpkg/status-old': Permission denied" (as ROOT?)
1900[18:10:35] <donofrio> found how to get keyboard up on android - lol
1901[18:11:07] <greycat> sounds like you are not actually root (UID 0)
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1907[18:12:48] <donofrio> it says at the prompt "root@localhost:/#"
1908[18:12:54] <donofrio> greycat, for the prompt
1909[18:13:09] <greycat> what does the "id" command say? what is the actual dpkg/apt command that you ran?
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1911[18:13:20] <donofrio> greycat, who am I returns "root"
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1913[18:13:40] <greycat> That is not what I asked.
1914[18:13:54] <greycat> id will give us your actual UID which is what matters
1915[18:14:03] <donofrio> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),3003,9997,50225
1916[18:14:10] <teclo-> "id" isn't "whoami" indeed
1917[18:14:16] <donofrio> :P
1918[18:14:25] <greycat> UID is correct... those unnamed groups would be a cause for concern, for me.
1919[18:14:27] <donofrio> I ran id on it and typed the text it returned
1920[18:14:35] <greycat> you WHAT?!?
1921[18:14:39] <donofrio> yah I dunno what they are....
1922[18:14:44] <greycat> You ran "id root" instead of "id"?
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1924[18:14:53] <donofrio> no I ran id as root
1925[18:14:56] <Phrk_> how can i run a ssh server with only access to rootfs ?
1926[18:15:31] <greycat> donofrio: and this is the same interactive shell in which you ran your dpkg command? What was the dpkg command?
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1929[18:15:59] <donofrio> greycat, the command was "dpkg --configure -a"
1930[18:15:59] <greycat> Phrk_: use ordinary unix permissions to restrict access to the places you don't want users to see
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1933[18:16:21] <greycat> donofrio: and you get "permission denied" right now if you do it again?
1934[18:16:35] <donofrio> yep
1935[18:16:42] <Phrk_> greycat, sorry miss understand, i mean i only have access to the rootfs of the server, and i want to install ssh access
1936[18:16:45] <Phrk_> no video card
1937[18:16:49] <Phrk_> no serial console
1938[18:16:52] <greycat> donofrio: what does ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg say?
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1940[18:17:42] <greycat> Phrk_: does the server also have /usr and /var and so on as separate file systems?
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1942[18:18:10] <Phrk_> greycat, yes everything is on / on the same partition
1943[18:18:16] <vizzy> donofrio, check if maybe some broken script set an immutable bit, chattr -i /your/file
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1945[18:18:33] <vizzy> chattr -i will remove the immutable bit
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1947[18:18:47] <vizzy> this happened once to me and it took my 2 days to find out
1948[18:18:47] <greycat> Phrk_: so, "no". OK. mount the file system on your machine-that-actually-works and then chroot into it, and then do ordinary apt-get update; apt-get install openssh-server; etc.
1949[18:18:54] <donofrio> greycat, "-rwx------ 1 root root 182452 Apr 10 2015 /usr/bin/dpkg
1950[18:19:08] <Phrk_> greycat, well it's not x86 so i can't
1951[18:19:08] <Kobaz> is there a video-specific channel around
1952[18:19:11] <greycat> donofrio: that's BIZARRE. Who has been altering permissions of things on your computer?
1953[18:19:28] <Kobaz> dvb-video v4l
1954[18:19:32] <vizzy> Kobaz, whgat do you mean with video specific? cutting videos in linux?
1955[18:19:34] <greycat> donofrio: (I was looking for an unexpected setuid or something, but you don't have that... but 700 is very wrong, because it won't let users run it)
1956[18:19:36] <Phrk_> maybe it's possible to qemu-chroot lol
1957[18:19:44] <donofrio> it's a apk called "debian noroot" and it installed base 200+mb and then did some scripts and poof xfce is up on my adndroid note5
1958[18:19:49] <Kobaz> vizzy: getting video hardware to work... usb-webcams. etc
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1960[18:19:58] <Kobaz> vizzy: make[3]: *** No rule to make target '/home/kobaz/download/media_build/v4l/frame_vector.c', needed by '/home/kobaz/download/media_build/v4l/frame_vector.o'. Stop.
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1962[18:20:06] <vizzy> Kobaz, ah ok, none i am aware of
1963[18:20:07] <greycat> donofrio: sounds like something "based on Debian"
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1965[18:20:14] <Kobaz> vizzy: that sort of thing
1966[18:20:26] <Kobaz> their build system is messed up
1967[18:20:32] <vizzy> Kobaz, hmmm
1968[18:20:42] <donofrio> I dunno does debian proper have a install script for arm8a for my android device?
1969[18:20:48] <donofrio> I got this from the "play store"
1970[18:21:01] <Kobaz> i don't feel like going through a bazillion lines of makefiles to figure out what's the problem
1971[18:21:03] <jamesl> How would I find a really old version of a Debian package? (gpsd-clients from 2008). Would my best bet be the latest version in the Wheezy repository?
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1974[18:21:21] <vizzy> Kobaz, there should be a v4l channel around
1975[18:21:43] <greycat> !tell jamesl about snapshot
1976[18:21:53] <jamesl> greycat, oh, thanks
1977[18:22:05] <Kobaz> ew, i found it... #linuxtv
1978[18:22:05] <donofrio> greycat, init 0 didn't work 'permision denied' yah me
1979[18:22:07] <Kobaz> and my hexchat just crashed
1980[18:22:25] <greycat> donofrio: I don't think I can help you with this. something is wrong here that's beyond my experience.
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1984[18:23:04] <greycat> Just out of curiosity, what does "debian noroot" MEAN? That you don't get to be root, ever?
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1986[18:23:51] <greycat> or... maybe? ... there could be some sort of "read-only switch" on the file system?
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1988[18:24:04] <greycat> maybe all attempts to write to the FS will fail until you figure that out, or something
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1993[18:25:18] <donofrio> greycat, yah I dunno...I'll do more research on it....."debian noroot" is the package name that is all I know..
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2019[18:41:31] <donofrio> anyone have any better android debain chroot installers, liked the ease of 'debian noroot' from playstore would rather not have to do all this - replaced-url
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2030[18:44:59] <jhutchins> donofrio: What's your actual goal?
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2065[18:54:37] <debcurious3452> I would like to install the very latest version of ntopng.. for what i can see an option is git clone and install it like that, otherwise i wonder: do a .deb package exists ?
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2067[18:54:58] <greycat> If you want bleeding edge stuff, you typically DO NOT want a .deb file.
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2069[18:55:18] <vizzy> deb packages are always a bit outdated
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2075[18:55:40] <vizzy> if you have the chance and the devs do their job well, you want to cook your own
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2081[18:58:43] <debcurious3452> i see
2082[18:59:05] <debcurious3452> just out of curiosity: in order to remove that ntopng installed with make and make install
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2084[18:59:10] <debcurious3452> what's the command ?
2085[18:59:27] <debcurious3452> Because not using the packages i guess that apt-get remove ntopng would not work this time
2086[18:59:29] <GNU\colossus> if you are lucky, there is an "uninstall" target in the Makefile
2087[18:59:32] <greycat> In general there isn't one. But your project MIGHT include an "uninstall" target in the Makefile.
2088[18:59:34] <vizzy> make clean; make uninstall
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2091[18:59:54] <debcurious3452> i see, thanks~
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2093[19:00:11] <GNU\colossus> you can also use `checkinstall` to create a crappy .deb package from your configured and built source. that which you can install and uninstall as you like.
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2097[19:00:58] <greycat> (unless of course the upstream project has .deb support already, in which case, use that) (unless it's broken)
2098[19:01:13] <greycat> tl;dr: It depends.
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2106[19:06:12] <soul-d> is there a clean way to temporarly symlink a .so to the system ? i have some random app that requires libpng12.so.0 but i don't want to break this stretch install to somehow install it if it works with a temp symlink
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2108[19:06:43] <greycat> If you intend to keep that program installed, then just keep the old libpng installed as well.
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2110[19:06:56] <greycat> Otherwise, remove the old libpng package when you remove the application.
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2113[19:07:23] <greycat> (Or don't remove it; just let the library sit there doing nothing.)
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2117[19:08:32] <donald_> I used to get too many system bugs. Then I reinstalled. Sadly one error still persist. I see a error message at boot. I found that on the logs: replaced-url
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2124[19:10:28] <soul-d> yeh it's not to much trouble but in end ill probably forget i just wanted to keep it out of debian since i just stole it from my very old fedora system so not entirely the best idea
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2126[19:10:59] <greycat> you could also find a libpng* package of the appropriate vintage in snapshot, and install that
2127[19:11:18] <donald_> graycat me?
2128[19:11:28] <donofrio> jhutchins, well to get what I have on my desktop on my cellphone will be adding hml3 adapter so I can run my phone as a desktop
2129[19:12:04] <soul-d> yeah only been on debian for a week so not sure how that works
2130[19:12:15] <soul-d> i only see people pasting frankendebian links in here ;)
2131[19:12:38] <greycat> Installing packages from *older* releases is usually safe. Not the other way around.
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2134[19:14:31] <soul-d> for now ill just keep this so in the app's subdir and ill have to remember but good to know that
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2145[19:18:43] <donald_> I used to get too many system bugs. Then I reinstalled. Sadly one error still persist. I see a error message at boot. I found that on the logs: replaced-url
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2152[19:22:02] <Krennic> win 13
2153[19:22:09] <RoyK> win 666
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2155[19:23:17] <Kobaz> how do i make sure that grub.cfg gets generated with root=UUID
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2157[19:23:42] <Kobaz> when i do update-grub... it makes search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 9a1cdb9e-036b-45fc-8e54-89e4d1c2ffed.... linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.14.4-2 root=/dev/sde1 ro quiet
2158[19:23:58] <Kobaz> so i *has* the root uuid, it just doesn't use it for root=
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2160[19:24:22] <l----> Is there a way to see the charge of the RTC battery on my laptop? When I try to powerup the power button is lit up but I have a black screen. I have to power off 2-3 additional times just to boot up. This happens if I hibernate as well
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2187[19:40:21] <gregor2> How can i make a networkbridge from wlan to ethernet.
2188[19:40:50] <gregor2> I tried this one replaced-url
2189[19:40:56] <gregor2> Doesnt work.
2190[19:41:11] <gregor2> I have no idea what to do.
2191[19:42:01] <GNU\colossus> not all wireless devices (drivers, really) support bridging
2192[19:43:21] <RoyK> I don't think I've seen a single wifi device that worked with bridging
2193[19:43:28] <gregor2> Guys
2194[19:43:44] <gregor2> what i am actually trying to do is programming for a raspberry pi.
2195[19:43:46] <gregor2> Its
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2197[19:43:49] <sumomo> If "ip list" does not show "UP" after the interface name, then it is actually not up right?
2198[19:43:52] <gregor2> its just impossible!
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2202[19:44:13] <gregor2> I have an ethernet cable
2203[19:44:30] <RoyK> sumomo: ip link list should show
2204[19:44:38] <RoyK> or ip addr list
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2207[19:44:57] <sumomo> how can I bring the interface up if there is no ifconfig in busybox shell? ifconfig eno1 up is not possible for me atm
2208[19:44:58] <gregor2> but i can not set up a static ip on the raspberry pi.
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2210[19:46:14] <RoyK> gregor2: debian or raspbian?
2211[19:46:23] <gregor2> raspbian on the raspberry pi
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2213[19:46:44] <sumomo> Royk: loopback is up, the other two are not...
2214[19:46:49] <gregor2> Cant i somehow connect to the raspberry pi just with an ethernet cable?
2215[19:46:57] <gregor2> That must be possible.
2216[19:47:03] <sumomo> they only show <BROADCAST, MULTICAST>
2217[19:47:10] <gregor2> But it is obiously not.
2218[19:47:24] <gregor2> Because you cannot configure a static ip.
2219[19:47:36] <fiet> sumomo: Haev you tried 'ip'?
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2221[19:47:57] <fiet> sumomo: replaced-url
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2223[19:48:30] <sumomo> fiet: thank you, I didn't know that you can do ifconfig interface up with ip, too
2224[19:48:52] <greycat> it would be a poor replacement if it *lost* features of the original
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2226[19:49:15] <sumomo> ifconfig is deprecated?
2227[19:49:17] <sumomo> :D
2228[19:49:25] <fiet> Yes, in some linux releases ifconfig is replaced by ip
2229[19:49:34] <fiet> But you can simply reinstall it.
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2231[19:49:54] <greycat> ifconfig has been deprecated for a decade or two. Debian 9 finally stopped installing it by default.
2232[19:50:00] <fiet> I believe debian9 dropped it as well
2233[19:50:06] <fiet> What greycat said
2234[19:50:21] <sumomo> yeah, I am installing 9.3 right now
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2237[19:50:53] <RoyK> sumomo: ip link set dev <interface> up
2238[19:50:55] <fiet> sumomo: apt-get install net-tools
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2241[19:51:09] <sumomo> I did ip link set eno1 up
2242[19:51:11] <RoyK> fiet: doesn't work to well from busybox without networking ;)
2243[19:51:25] <fiet> RoyK: Ah, missed that bit.
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2245[19:51:33] <fiet> That would be a thing
2246[19:51:36] <sumomo> yeah, thats the thing deb 9.3 netinst ;)
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2250[19:52:31] <RoyK> sumomo: post a pic of output of 'ip addr list' and 'ip link list'
2251[19:52:49] <sumomo> "I did ip link set eno1 up" <- it is showing up
2252[19:53:09] <sumomo> but no carrier, for now, I'm reconfiguring the ip, subnet, gateway and dns again
2253[19:53:18] <tom[]> i'm surprised that journalctl says "Logs begin at Thu 2017-12-28 15:19:34 EST". shouldn't there be more than that?
2254[19:53:19] <RoyK> bad cable?
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2256[19:53:46] <sumomo> no cannot be
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2259[19:54:26] <RoyK> famous last words
2260[19:54:29] <sumomo> I'll write my original question from 10 hours ago:
2261[19:54:30] <Zeshy> 8)
2262[19:54:48] <sumomo> "Hi, I have a problem with debian 9.3 at installation time. The Network is not working. Intel e1000e 3.2.6-k, some messages in the log: eno1: renamed from eth0 - NIC Link is Down - Carrier down. If I boot to the installed CentOS 6.9, the network functions properly. Any ideas?"
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2264[19:55:03] <sumomo> installing over ipmi
2265[19:55:12] <sumomo> like I wrote, CentOS boots and is perfectly fine
2266[19:55:31] <RoyK> that's wierd
2267[19:55:36] <RoyK> especially with that nic
2268[19:55:51] <RoyK> since intel NICs usually work very well indeed
2269[19:55:52] <sumomo> but I did not catch that the interfaces were actually down
2270[19:56:04] <sumomo> that was just minutes ago
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2272[19:56:35] <RoyK> sumomo: unplug and replug the ethernet cable and check dmesg
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2274[19:56:39] <RoyK> dmesg -T, that is
2275[19:57:24] <sumomo> hmm, the server is 3900 miles away from me ;)
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2278[19:59:03] <RoyK> sumomo: so, ip link list says no carrier?
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2280[19:59:12] <sumomo> yes, unfortunately
2281[19:59:41] <sumomo> why does it work in CentOS, but neither with Debian 9.3 nor Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I tried both
2282[19:59:50] <sumomo> with minimal iso, netinst and non-free
2283[20:00:28] <RoyK> just curious - did you try jessie?
2284[20:00:34] <sumomo> no
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2286[20:00:48] <sumomo> CentOS 6.9 kernel was
2287[20:00:51] <RoyK> supermicro thing or something?
2288[20:00:51] <sumomo> One moment pls
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2290[20:00:55] <sumomo> Yes
2291[20:00:56] <sumomo> Supermicro
2292[20:01:10] <RoyK> I've setup a *lot* of those with debian
2293[20:01:15] <RoyK> (and ubuntu)
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2295[20:01:57] <sumomo> its a X9SCM board I think
2296[20:02:06] <RoyK> but not recently, though - so not stretch
2297[20:02:26] <sumomo> SuperMicro X9SCM-F
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2301[20:03:02] <sumomo> CentOS 6.9 Kernel 2.6.32-696.16.1.el6.x86_64
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2304[20:03:25] <RoyK> dunno - sorry
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2306[20:03:45] <sumomo> no problem, thanks anyway!
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2312[20:05:26] <GNU\colossus> sumomo, do you have ethtool on the box with the NIC that's acting up?
2313[20:05:34] <GNU\colossus> maybe it can give you a hint what's wrong?
2314[20:05:42] <sumomo> Unfortunately, not
2315[20:06:08] <sumomo> I wouldn't know how to install a package over IPMI
2316[20:06:29] <GNU\colossus> when you say "over IPMI", do you mean the KVM console?
2317[20:06:41] <sumomo> yes
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2319[20:06:59] <sumomo> I have no physical access to the server
2320[20:07:10] <GNU\colossus> is it a Hetzner box, perchance?
2321[20:07:15] <sumomo> virmach
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2323[20:07:43] <RoyK> GNU\colossus: iproute2 (that is, the "ip" command) should suffice
2324[20:07:44] <GNU\colossus> never heard of that, but no matter - do they have a "rescue" boot option?
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2328[20:08:12] <sumomo> I can boot to rescue myself over KVM
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2330[20:08:18] <sumomo> or what do you mean?
2331[20:08:19] <GNU\colossus> RoyK, not if MDI auto-negotiation of link parameters fails
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2333[20:08:38] <sumomo> but no option on their webpanel
2334[20:08:52] <RoyK> GNU\colossus: never seen gigabit/10g fail that, really
2335[20:08:59] <GNU\colossus> sumomo, I'm asking if you can get the box into a state where you do have working network access over that failing, and can chroot into the Debian installation on the box's disk
2336[20:09:14] <GNU\colossus> RoyK, if you ever happen to come by my place, I'll show you ;)
2337[20:09:32] <RoyK> GNU\colossus: what sort of switch(es)?
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2339[20:09:53] <GNU\colossus> ancient HP, I can't recall
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2341[20:10:08] <RoyK> GNU\colossus: I've worked with linux for almost 25 years, and although gigabit is far newer, I've never seen issues with it
2342[20:10:15] <sumomo> I can reboot to working CentOS 6.9 and then I should access the Debian iso on the disk?
2343[20:10:19] <RoyK> it helps a lot that gigabit doesn't support half duplex
2344[20:10:30] <sumomo> the debian iso is mounted in a virtual storage over kvm
2345[20:10:40] <GNU\colossus> sumomo, if you can mount the filesystem that the debian installer created for you, you could try that, yes
2346[20:11:20] <GNU\colossus> (ext4 has learned a few new tricks since EL6 was released, so you may be unable to properly mount the filesystem generated with stretch's mke2fs)
2347[20:11:36] <sumomo> what if I unpack the iso and repack it with ethtool?
2348[20:11:41] <sumomo> with the binary
2349[20:11:42] <RoyK> sumomo: I'm not quite sure but perhaps try testing, not necessarily to install it, just to see if it helps
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2351[20:11:56] <GNU\colossus> sumomo, certainly possible, but probably a lot more work
2352[20:12:03] <RoyK> sumomo: I guess the problem is related to driver more than link here
2353[20:12:09] <RoyK> sumomo: since centos 6 works
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2355[20:12:24] <sumomo> the centos installation uses the same e1000e driver
2356[20:12:25] <RoyK> sumomo: also, try jessie, please
2357[20:12:27] <sumomo> 3.2.6-k
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2360[20:12:43] <sumomo> that driver is loaded in debian and ubuntu install, too
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2364[20:13:41] <RoyK> sumomo: ok… have you checked if the supermicro board has all the latest firmwares?
2365[20:14:15] <RoyK> should be easily flashable via the IPMI/KVM thing
2366[20:14:40] <RoyK> sumomo: that will be supermicro's *first* question if you ask them
2367[20:15:40] <cluelessperson> ExecStart in systemd seems to require, "quotes" around the arguments for a binary
2368[20:15:42] <sumomo> there is a newer bios
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2370[20:15:55] <sumomo> but then tell me please, why centos works? :D
2371[20:15:57] <RoyK> what about firmware for the nic?
2372[20:16:05] <RoyK> sumomo: no idea - just trying to help here
2373[20:16:14] <sumomo> no that was not meant in a bad way
2374[20:16:23] <sumomo> I just cannot get my head around that fact
2375[20:16:26] <RoyK> np
2376[20:16:32] <RoyK> just try to upgrade firmware/bios
2377[20:16:43] <RoyK> they *will* ask you about it if you call suppor
2378[20:16:45] <RoyK> t
2379[20:16:52] <sumomo> yeah, I know what you mean
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2386[20:20:26] <GNU\colossus> sumomo, if all else fails: the "e1000-devel" ml (hosted by sourceforge) concerns itself with all things that involve Linux and Intel Ethernet technology, and is very helpful in my experience
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2390[20:22:01] <sumomo> RoyK and GNU\colossus, thank you both, and everyone else who answered and helped me
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2392[20:22:26] <sumomo> If I have anything to report, I will do that
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2398[20:26:03] <cluelessperson> When I copy a large file from one drive to another, my system becomes unresponsive
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2400[20:26:35] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: use ionice -c 3 or similar
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2403[20:27:38] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: yeah, but why does it happen?
2404[20:27:51] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: IO contention, slow drives, etc?
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2408[20:28:22] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: It's an NVME and an SSD
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2412[20:29:43] <RJo0> !ifenslave
2413[20:30:06] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: check out iotop then, and/or top to see if processes are getting stuck in D. There are also multiple knobs you can pull
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2416[20:30:47] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: you might also need to change the io scheduler from CFQ to something else
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2418[20:31:20] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: I have no idea what any of those are except iotop :/
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2420[20:31:45] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: what is this machine doing?
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2422[20:32:07] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: and what filesystem are you usign?
2423[20:32:27] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: just ext4
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2427[20:32:44] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: It's just a typical server with a PCI NVME and SSD sata
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2430[20:33:46] <kion> Has anyone installed Signal Private communications on Debian?
2431[20:33:49] <kion> replaced-url
2432[20:33:57] <kion> any experiences with this?
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2435[20:35:04] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: serving web? email? or what? You might want to switch the scheduler to deadline from cfq, or just use ionice, depending on what is going on
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2437[20:35:14] <RoyK> kion: I've only tried to install signal on my phone and it wanted access to *everything*, so I just deleted it
2438[20:35:26] <petn-randall> kion: I haven't, I'm using the chrome extension called signal, and that works fine for me.
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2440[20:35:32] <architekt> kion: it's basically a chromium browser
2441[20:35:39] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: I'm confused as to why it becomes completely responsive while copying
2442[20:35:43] <cluelessperson> un
2443[20:35:46] <architekt> That chrome extension stopped working for me, they told me to use the "native" application
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2445[20:36:16] <GNU\colossus> cluelessperson, `perf top` or `perf record` might make visible what is going on
2446[20:36:17] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: because you're using CFQ, and whatever you're doing is requiring IO, and getting stuck in the queue
2447[20:36:38] <unkmar> I attempted multiple vcodec's with transcode using vlc. All attempts end with Floating point exception. Transcoding just not supported?
2448[20:36:53] <kion> RoyK, interesting, just out of curiosity, do you have a Facebook app in your phone or their messenger? I don't for privacy reasons, but I do have signal in my phone
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2450[20:37:26] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: basically, CFQ improves throughput over latency, and latency is what you're seeing.
2451[20:37:44] <RoyK> kion: I have a facebook app, yes, but its rights are reduced to a mere minimum
2452[20:37:46] <kion> architekt, so their program is only a chromium browser modified for signal?
2453[20:37:54] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: by "unresponsive", I'm assuming you mean that you can't run commands, while the machine still responds to input
2454[20:38:30] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: To clarify, the machine becomes extremely slow to respond to input, but yes, slowly responds.
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2456[20:38:46] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: yeah, that's pretty normal with CFQ and heavy IO load
2457[20:38:53] <cluelessperson> web requests take a long time / time out, difficulty doing "top" or "iotop" because it's so slow.
2458[20:39:11] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: right, so you almost certainly actually want deadline, not CFQ.
2459[20:39:27] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: Ah, perhaps it's because I'm doing it from NVME (2GB/s read) and SSD (100mbps+ write)
2460[20:39:30] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: or you want to run your large copies using ionice (which you probably should do anyway)
2461[20:39:37] <greycat> The bot doesn't know what cfq or deadline are. Neither does the cat.
2462[20:39:41] <RoyK> kion: I observed an issue with taking a pic of a bottle of something and without posting the pic on facebook or anywhere else, that triggered ads about similar products, meaning facebook OCRs pics locally (which has been debated elsewhere)
2463[20:39:43] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: cfq
2464[20:39:43] <dpkg> dondelelcaro: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
2465[20:39:47] <architekt> kion: yeah
2466[20:39:50] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: Thanks for the knowledge.
2467[20:40:08] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: I suppose I figured they'd just be given a single thread to handle copying and not bog down the entire system
2468[20:40:16] <cluelessperson> only copying 160GB worth
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2470[20:40:47] <kion> RoyK, yes, I totally abandoned FB for those reasons, I moved my electronic life ouside of the United States and away from FB..
2471[20:40:52] <kion> now I am in the Diaspora*
2472[20:40:59] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: they do, but there's only one pipe to the SSD and NVME
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2475[20:41:17] <cluelessperson> ah
2476[20:41:36] <cluelessperson> dondelelcaro: so it's more about throttling the disk io so the system still operates normally
2477[20:41:49] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: cfq is <reply> CFQ is completely fair queuing, one of the IO schedulers (and usually the default one). cat /sys/block/*/queue; to see which IO scheduler you are using
2478[20:41:49] <dpkg> dondelelcaro: okay
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2481[20:42:15] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: yeah, that's why you use ionice -c 3 cp foo bar; which gives your IO the lowest priority
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2483[20:42:28] <dondelelcaro> cluelessperson: or even ionice -c 3 nice -n 19 cp foo bar;
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2485[20:43:07] <greycat> should that be cat /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler ?
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2487[20:43:24] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: no, cfq is <reply> CFQ is completely fair queuing, one of the IO schedulers (and usually the default one). cat /sys/block/*/queue/scheduler; to see which IO scheduler you are using
2488[20:43:24] <dpkg> dondelelcaro: okay
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2532[21:07:20] <reber> how to reinstall all what is related to apt /dpkg ?
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2535[21:07:50] <greycat> !reinstall
2536[21:07:50] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
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2538[21:08:22] <greycat> dpkg, cfq =~ s/cat/head/
2539[21:08:22] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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2566[21:21:48] <sveta> where do debian apps remember versions of libraries? i've got one app compiled by hand that now says `error while loading shared libraries: libgnustep-base.so.1.24: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
2567[21:21:52] <sveta> ... directory` but a 25 version of this library is installed, i'd like it to forget what it knows
2568[21:22:06] <sveta> make uninstall, make clean, make, make install - does not help
2569[21:22:16] <abrotman> ldd ?
2570[21:22:21] <dondelelcaro> sveta: recompile your app against the new version of the library
2571[21:22:28] <sveta> dondelelcaro: i already did
2572[21:22:35] <dondelelcaro> sveta: you likely haven't rerun configure
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2574[21:22:47] <sveta> abrotman: i don't know how to use it, please show me step by step
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2578[21:24:00] <sveta> dondelelcaro: it doesn't have configure, you can read how its makefile works at replaced-url
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2580[21:24:17] <unkmar> ^^^ And that is why I haven't taken time to learn the make and compile process. Multiple steps.
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2582[21:24:50] <sveta> unkmar: i'll discard that for the next few minutes, doesn't help me with fixing this install - could certainly be helpful, but only in long term
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2588[21:26:43] <dondelelcaro> sveta: so it looks like that package is bundling a copy of gnustep itself
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2590[21:27:03] <sveta> dondelelcaro: i didn't know that, are you sure?
2591[21:27:41] <dondelelcaro> ah; it's just setting a GNUSTEP_LIBRARIES_ROOT insanely
2592[21:27:57] <dondelelcaro> anyway
2593[21:28:02] <donald_> I used to get too many system bugs. Then I reinstalled. Sadly one error still persist. I see a error message at boot. I found that on the logs: replaced-url
2594[21:28:02] <sveta> abrotman: again, step by step guidance with ldd would be really nice here, i'm too frustrated right now to learn it on my own
2595[21:28:09] <sveta> abrotman: please
2596[21:28:19] <dondelelcaro> sveta: anyway, you almost certainly haven't actually recompiled the GNUMail library in Framework/GNUMail
2597[21:28:30] <dondelelcaro> sveta: so it's building against the wrong version of libgnustep-base
2598[21:28:30] <sveta> dondelelcaro: ok
2599[21:29:00] <dondelelcaro> alternatively, you could just install the libgnustep-base1.24 package from stable
2600[21:29:10] <sveta> dondelelcaro: `cd Framework/GNUMail; make; make install` ?
2601[21:29:19] <dondelelcaro> sveta: presuambly
2602[21:29:19] <sveta> dondelelcaro: i'd rather not downgrade here now if i can
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2604[21:29:25] <dondelelcaro> sveta: you don't have to downgrade
2605[21:29:38] <dondelelcaro> sveta: those packages can (in theory) be installed at the same time
2606[21:29:45] <dondelelcaro> (which is the whole point of sonames)
2607[21:29:47] <sveta> dondelelcaro: i did cd Framework/GNUMail; make; make install, but i still get the same error message
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2609[21:30:24] <sveta> dondelelcaro: in the 'middle term' (the next day) i would like to learn to understand where this error message comes from so that the next time i bump into it i do not need irc
2610[21:30:27] <dondelelcaro> sveta: you just have to make it, and then recompile gnumail itself
2611[21:30:34] <sveta> dondelelcaro: in the short term, i'd like it to just go away
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2613[21:31:03] <dondelelcaro> sveta: the issue is that the GNUmail library is built against the 1.24 version of gnustep, and testing/unstable has the 1.25 version of gnustep
2614[21:31:28] <dondelelcaro> sveta: and you're running into the issue because you're using make install instead of making a Debian package (or using checkinstall or similar)
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2616[21:31:55] <dondelelcaro> (A Debian package would have a dependency on libgnustep-base1.24, and wouldn't allow it to be removed)
2617[21:32:20] <dondelelcaro> (and possibly any other libraries that are being built too)
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2624[21:33:26] <sveta> dondelelcaro: that didn't help but it lists another library as a dependency (pantomime), i'm trying to recompile that
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2626[21:34:19] <dondelelcaro> anyway, ldd path/to/gnumail; will tell you precisely which libraries are being linked with
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2629[21:34:46] <dondelelcaro> sveta: also, is there any reason why you aren't just running apt-get install gnumail.app?
2630[21:35:17] <sveta> recompiling pantomime helped, thanks for your help
2631[21:35:54] <sveta> right now the only reason is 'because installing gnumail.app does not help, it tries to run /usr/local/bin/gnumail still', there was another reason a few months ago but i don't remember it
2632[21:36:10] <dondelelcaro> sveta: yeah, that's because you haven't removed /usr/local/bin/gnumail
2633[21:36:22] <dondelelcaro> sveta: so if you install gnumail.app, and then remove your local copy of gnumail, you'll be great.
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2636[21:37:01] <dondelelcaro> (you could also test it right now by running /usr/bin/gnumail if you wanted)
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2644[21:40:13] <Guest3901> My system is hang at started user manager for uid doesn't pass beyound tha
2645[21:40:28] <Guest3901> Using Debian 9, kernel 4.9
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2653[21:43:26] <Guest3901> My system is hang at started user manager for uid doesn't pass beyound tha
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2658[21:46:11] <Guest3901> Plz help
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2661[21:46:55] <mtn> Guest3901: fresh install?
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2664[21:48:18] <Guest3901> I installed selinux on it
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2666[21:48:29] <Guest3901> Then after boot , it's struck
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2668[21:49:00] <mtn> Guest3901: ah, that is important info. no idea about selinux
2669[21:49:41] <Guest3901> Mtn: I am not able to boot in Debian recovery also
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2671[21:50:15] <mtn> Guest3901: it worked fine before you install selinux?
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2673[21:50:54] <Guest3901> Yes worked fine, before ethat
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2676[21:52:09] <Guest3901> What to do
2677[21:52:16] <mtn> Guest3901: do you still have a debian install disk? if so, use the expert recovery feature
2678[21:52:17] <jhutchins> Guest3901: You will probably have to boot to alternate media then set selinux to not enforce or permissive (check the docs).
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2680[21:52:36] <Guest3901> Alternate media
2681[21:52:55] <Guest3901> How to boot to alternate media
2682[21:55:48] <greycat> Same way you booted from alternate media when you did the installation, usually.
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2684[21:56:01] <mtn> Guest3901: do you still have a debian install disk? if so, use the expert recovery feature
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2687[22:00:05] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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2732[22:29:24] <maxpower> hi guys
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2740[22:31:06] <maxpower> with the last release of debian the 'route' command has been raplaced with the 'ip route' command, but is not the same thing
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2742[22:31:55] <maxpower> the 'route' command show the ISP domain, ip route: show the ip gateway
2743[22:32:13] <greycat> You ran route without the -n option? Egads.
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2745[22:33:31] <maxpower> is there a way for the x command to show the ISP domain...?
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2748[22:34:55] <maxpower> greycat, exactly
2749[22:35:26] <maxpower> i want 'route' without -n
2750[22:35:40] <greycat> for the love of god WHY
2751[22:35:40] <maxpower> but with the ip command
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2753[22:36:13] <greycat> "Hi I'm debugging my routing table, so I'd like a flaky DNS server to confuse me by replacing my IP addresses with random meaningless names."
2754[22:36:14] <maxpower> greycat, because i want the IPS domain and not the ip gateway
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2756[22:36:53] <greycat> Then install net-tools and run /sbin/route to your heart's content.
2757[22:37:26] <maxpower> greycat, so with ip it is not possible?
2758[22:37:36] <greycat> don'tknowdon'tcare
2759[22:37:39] <greycat> it is a STUPID request
2760[22:37:53] <maxpower> greycat for you is stupid
2761[22:38:00] <maxpower> for me no
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2763[22:38:06] <maxpower> i need this
2764[22:38:12] <greycat> you could write an awk filter to randomly replace numbers with poop emoji in every command you run, if you like obscuring the useful information so much
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2769[22:40:16] <maxpower> greycat, if route command returns 'home.telecomitalia.it' instead of the ip gateway... there will be a reason
2770[22:40:23] <greycat> Is it time for everyone's favorite game show yet? "Guess what the actual question is!"
2771[22:40:37] <foul_owl> I normally do a debian install with encrypted lvm. Does that encrypt the swap partition also? By default I mean?
2772[22:40:46] <greycat> My guess: "I have a laptop and I want to trigger some commands based on which network I think I'm connected to."
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2782[22:44:38] <greycat> If you want to react to the DHCP server giving you a new burst of information, you do it by writing a *hook* as described in "man dhclient-script" and replaced-url
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2784[22:44:58] <greycat> The information is given in a bunch of env vars, as seen for example on replaced-url
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2787[22:45:25] <greycat> Take the router address that it gives you and perform your own DNS lookup, if you think the DNS information for a router is meaningful or accurate in any way. (It usually isn't.)
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2807[22:53:28] <maxpower> greycat ,# route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface default modemtim.homene 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
2808[22:53:58] <maxpower> graycat, it is possible the same result with ip command? thanks
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2810[22:54:02] <greycat> No.
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2812[22:54:34] <greycat> Whatever god awful stupid fucking shell script you have written to PARSE the output of /sbin/route, you will not be able to feed it some other command's output as input.
2813[22:54:47] <greycat> Probably not even the new version of /sbin/route.
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2816[22:55:16] * donofrio pondering what channel suports android debian apk called "debian - noroot"
2817[22:55:20] <greycat> Either go back, READ what I said, and rewrite your infrastructure in a sane way, or rewrite your shell script to parse the new /sbin/route output, or downgrade back to jessie and stay there.
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2821[22:59:09] <maxpower> greycat, only one thing is needed and this 'change' in Debian Stretch does not. why it has been changed, if ip does not do the same things of route?
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2823[22:59:31] <maxpower> greycat thank You
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2827[23:00:51] <Tramp> maxpower: route has been deprecated for about 15 years now
2828[23:01:11] <M0xf5f5f5[m]> dang
2829[23:01:12] <M0xf5f5f5[m]> I just used route yesterday :P
2830[23:01:21] <M0xf5f5f5[m]> What should I use instead?
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2837[23:02:17] <ompaul> some of you might find this interesting replaced-url
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2842[23:03:26] <ompaul> staying current allows you work on sane materials rather than supporting your own kludge, however if you do kludge things expect to own that :-)
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2844[23:03:40] <ompaul> even kludges can be written sanely
2845[23:04:09] <maxpower> Tramp, ok the deprecated route command, but is there a way to return the ISP domain wihout It?
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2849[23:05:38] <ompaul> /sbin/ip route << have fun with that
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2852[23:06:07] <ompaul> and all the flags if only there was a way to read a manual ... oh wait
2853[23:06:34] <ompaul> maxpower: you can get any output you want but maybe not in the columns you want - so check it out and have fun
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2857[23:07:01] <maxpower> ompaul, i read the manual of ip command, but there is not way
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2859[23:07:31] <ompaul> maxpower: then you need to ask the question in a way that suits the data you get from ip
2860[23:07:52] <ompaul> maxpower: all the information is there you just need to generalise the question a bit
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2873[23:10:51] <maxpower> ompaul, this request seems stupid, but now we know 'Dancus' was connected by an italian provider 'clienti.tiscali.it'
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2878[23:11:27] <maxpower> the same result that I need from my gateway
2879[23:11:48] <maxpower> with route command is possible
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2881[23:12:39] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2885[23:13:15] <tobiasBora> Do you have a way to perform a "su" to connect as root at the beginning of a rsync session?
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2888[23:14:20] <ompaul> su -c {command runs here and if you need to use back ticks to enclose it so be it}
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2897[23:17:55] <tobiasBora> ompaul: the "su" should be performed on the remote host, so not sure how I would use this "su -c"
2898[23:17:55] <ompaul> maxpower: dig host or something seems more sane but then I have no idea what your objective is as I joined late - anyway if you have an ip dig is your friend as is if you have a domain name but hey there are many ways to skin a cat and parse things you can do it the hard way or the easy way
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2905[23:21:25] <maxpower> ompaul, i need only a repalcement of the command # route that's all
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2910[23:24:24] <ompaul> maxpower: Dry grass breaks in the wind. Other grass bends in the wind and lives more days. I've given you a functional answer, given the question I have.
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2915[23:26:52] <tobiasBora> ompaul: I think I got the solution: --rsync-path="su -c rsync"
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2918[23:29:04] <maxpower> ompaul, route command returns: Gateway = home.telecomitalia.it - # ip route: Gateway = 192.168.1.1 - ompaul i want the same result of the route command with another command, thanks
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2920[23:31:21] <ompaul> tobiasBora: rsync -ave ssh root@whatever:/pathtowhatIwanttocopy/* /localdump/.
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2922[23:33:06] <ompaul> maxpower: I have no idea what you are throwing at route to get that output so I don't know what you are doing
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2924[23:33:22] <tobiasBora> ompaul: the thing is that there is no root user on the remote host, I need to type "su" to get root access (it's an android device). But the rsync-path seems to work fine, don't know why (rsync is not supposed to be installed on the remote host right?)
2925[23:33:59] <ompaul> tobiasBora: no idea how android does anything but it's not a debian problem - I would suggest checking with andriod people
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2940[23:39:23] <ompaul> maxpower: humour me run this command > /sbin/route -V << give me the number from the top line
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2944[23:41:19] <maxpower> ompaul, with the last release of Debian i not have the route command.... this is my problem!
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2949[23:42:19] <ompaul> maxpower: eh it is on wheezy and higher
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2951[23:42:25] <maxpower> i'm looking for a replacement
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2954[23:42:49] <ompaul> I gave you sufficent data to pass data to dig will do that job
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2957[23:43:14] <FBI_Anon> my ssh connection dropped during an apt-get upgrade. how do i continue answering the questions and upgrading?
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2960[23:43:35] <somiaj> FBI_Anon: if in the configure stage, try dpkg --configure -a
2961[23:43:57] <FBI_Anon> it says locked by another process
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2970[23:47:48] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: do backups before you even continue WARNING this is DIRTY NASTY - and may kill your machine depending on where you are --- so take your time before you do this: if top doesn't indicate current activity you will have to risk killing the apt process then rm the lock file make sure that apt hasn't forked before you try the dpkg --configure -a ... MAKE SURE you use: tmux or screen before you start your upgrading again ... best of luck but
2971[23:47:50] <ompaul> make sure there is no dpkg or apt running - this can leave the machine in a horrible state consider backups
2972[23:48:20] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: not a good place - but that horrible thing I just suggested comes with the instruction get backups first
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2978[23:50:16] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: good luck, you will need it
2979[23:50:43] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: better if you can get to a keyboard but I'm guessing this is out of the question
2980[23:51:08] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: after the configure you will have to go back to the upgrades again
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2982[23:51:20] <FBI_Anon> hmm.... sounds fun. ok. brb.
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2984[23:51:45] <ompaul> FBI_Anon: it isn't, I've not been there in a long time, but ... I've seen it work and fail
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