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91[00:50:07] <buu> Am I insane, why does stable have apache 2.4.10 and wheezy-backports have 2.2.22 but there's no jessie-backport?
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94[00:51:38] <TomTomTo1> ,v apache2
95[00:51:46] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u7; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u5; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u7; stretch: 2.4.25-3; sid: 2.4.25-3
96[00:52:00] <TomTomTo1> i don't see apache in wheezy-backports
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98[00:52:50] <buu> Yeah..
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100[00:53:03] <TomTomTo1> and there are no backports for every package for various reasons.
101[00:53:08] <buu> Clearly I'm insane
102[00:53:42] <buu> So is the best way to get 2.4.20 to upgrade to testing?
103[00:54:59] <missmbob> you mean 2.4.25? where are you getting your numbers from?
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105[00:55:33] <buu> I just want anything higher than 2.4.20
106[00:55:42] <missmbob> is waiting for stretch which is frozen to become stable off the table?
107[00:55:58] <buu> When will it become stable?
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109[00:56:33] <missmbob> i dont know. month or two
110[00:56:45] <Agafnd> "when it's ready"
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112[00:57:27] <mutante> frozen = basically stable :p
113[00:57:34] <mutante> would just switch now
114[00:57:41] <missmbob> NO
115[00:58:01] <missmbob> that would leave said server with absolutely no security support at all. is that okay?
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117[00:58:21] <buu> This is so confusing
118[00:58:53] <missmbob> buu: do you require security on said server?
119[00:59:14] <buu> uh
120[00:59:20] <buu> not really
121[00:59:22] <buu> =]
122[00:59:26] <bub_> uuunsaaaane, beyond saaanity, yet not insaneee
123[00:59:43] <missmbob> well then i dont care.
124[01:00:03] <mutante> what's the new feature you want
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127[01:00:43] <buu> mutante: apache forward-dns
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131[01:01:02] <buu> Also a version of salt-minion that wasn't released in 2011
132[01:02:30] <buu> And to be honest, given the uptime of this vps host, it probably won't be up long enough to be attacked
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240[02:20:34] <awal1> MenuSendToDesk
241[02:20:40] <awal1> oops, sorry
242[02:20:53] <awal1> what means "(fbpanel:8236): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 21 was not found when attempting to remove it" ?
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257[02:30:05] <awal1> I get that error if fbpanel "autohide" feature is set to 'true'
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278[02:38:20] <jaggz> just to be sure, patches with -##.diff.gz in them are only applied to the base package source, right? They aren't applied incrementally
279[02:38:41] <jaggz> (when examining -6 to -10, -10 seems to include -6, so I'm pretty sure I can just jump to -10
280[02:38:55] <jaggz> I'm using these files: replaced-url
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284[02:40:10] <themill> The source package is defined by the dsc; you should be using tools like dget to fetch the dsc and the rest of the package. You should use dpkg-source to unpack the source package.
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289[02:40:59] <jaggz> themill, hola!
290[02:41:00] <jaggz> thanks
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292[02:42:46] <themill> (and it's not a question of incremental or not; 1.2.3-6 and 1.2.3-10 are different versions of the source package that just happen to live in the same directory)
293[02:42:49] <jaggz> hmm.. no dget
294[02:42:58] <jaggz> but I grabbed them all anyway already
295[02:43:56] <jaggz> although I don't know the directory structure yet
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343[03:14:04] <nebul8> hi all. I'm just trying to install debian on an old laptop for the first time. Is there any easy way to install additional packages in the live environment, so that I can use them for preparing my storage setup?
344[03:14:16] <nebul8> I'm using the netinstall image 8.7.1 btw...
345[03:14:22] <nebul8> any hint appreciated! :)
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347[03:17:19] <zykotick9> nebul8: "..preparing my storage setup?" <- the installer can't do this for you? the advanced setup offers some additional options for loading things <i seem to recall, i haven't used it for a while>
348[03:18:05] <nebul8> zykotick9: no, it doesn't ;) I want to install cryptsetup for preparing my storage devices
349[03:19:11] <nebul8> (I want to use custom parameters for the LUKS containers + want the LUKS container directly on the SSD, without a GPT partition)
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351[03:19:15] * zykotick9 likes using the luks options the installer offers, and has no ideas on advanced cryptsetup setup... best of luck.
352[03:19:28] <nebul8> I'm playing around with coreboot
353[03:19:49] <zykotick9> nebul8: i use a coreboot distro called libreboot... have fun...
354[03:20:08] <nebul8> zykotick9: thx!
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356[03:21:04] * zykotick9 had an install a couple years back with ENTIRE disk encryption (thanks to having grub as bios)...
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358[03:22:02] <zykotick9> nebul8: check out the advanced/expert install options... i forget the wording
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363[03:24:34] <nebul8> zykotick9: yeah, it's called expert installer
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365[03:24:55] <nebul8> but anyway, I need cryptsetup available in the live environment
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368[03:25:21] <nebul8> so I'll try now using the DVD image instead of the netinstall image as a workaround
369[03:25:25] <zykotick9> nebul8: when you say "live environment" do you mean the Live image - on cd/usb? or netinst?
370[03:25:31] <nebul8> netinst
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373[03:26:05] <dvs> nebul8, do you have the exact filename of the iso you used?
374[03:26:07] <nebul8> during installation, you can switch to several virtual consoles with e.g. ctrl+alt+f2
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377[03:26:13] <nebul8> dvs: yep hang on
378[03:26:24] <nebul8> debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
379[03:26:28] <nebul8> dvs: ^
380[03:26:29] <dvs> ok
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395[03:36:08] <nebul8> okay, I now booted into expert mode (still using the netinst image), and I still cannot find a way to install additional packages
396[03:36:27] <nebul8> so I'm trying out the full dvd image now...
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398[03:37:23] <dvs> nebul8, Why do you need additional packages?
399[03:37:56] <nebul8> dvs: I need cryptsetup to configure my storage setup
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402[03:40:09] <dvs> nebul8, ah. I thought expert install had an option for that. Anyways, that's not something I've tried.
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408[03:42:13] <nebul8> dvs: you can indeed configure an encrypted storage setup via the expert installer, but not the way I want it ;) like e.g. using a custom cipher with a specific hash-algorithm
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431[03:56:22] <Tester1> Hi. What command for checking hardware such as motherboard?
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434[03:56:55] <Tester1> Information about it, like what model.
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442[04:03:06] <nebul8> hm, so the DVD image (debian-8.7.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso) also does not have cryptsetup available during the install process
443[04:03:43] <nebul8> and I also could not figure out how to install packages from the live system
444[04:04:10] <nebul8> and, I just realized the live environment is a busybox
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446[04:04:29] <nebul8> I think a live image will do the trick then...
447[04:04:32] * nebul8 downloads again
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449[04:05:10] <goggles> Ho
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467[04:14:09] <hiexpo> hi all
468[04:14:48] <goggles> Hi. Treaki
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482[04:24:52] <hiexpo> <yawning
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497[04:44:55] <jasonwc> Is there an issue with the Stretch RC2 installer? I was able to successfully install and boot a VM in VirtualBox but my second attempt failed (endlessly checks ext4 journal). My third attempt failed with endless attempts to run Debian-gdm
498[04:45:03] <jasonwc> Not sure what the deal is
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500[04:45:25] <missmbob> !debian-next
501[04:45:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
502[04:45:38] <Guest69307> ++
503[04:46:11] <jasonwc> thanks
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508[04:47:05] <Guest69307> what would you guys do to glue together a edge hidge on a laptop tapered off glued on to the inside of laptop screen casing ? ]
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515[04:49:14] <Tester1> How do I check what motherboard I have in debian?
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518[04:50:15] <dubwoc> ebad
519[04:52:10] <dubwoc> Tester1: replaced-url
520[04:52:18] <dubwoc> has a number of options that are viable
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523[04:52:56] <tw> dmidecode is my preferred option.
524[04:53:46] <tw> Sometimes it doesn't work, if the dmi info is improperly set, or if you're in a VM that doesn't pass dmi through, or it is set up to lie.
525[04:53:56] <tw> but usually it works well.
526[04:54:56] <dubwoc> i.e. sudo dmidecode -t 2
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528[04:55:43] <Aaron> Hey I'm trying to install xchat?
529[04:55:48] <Aaron> any ideas in how to Install it?
530[04:55:55] <missmbob> use hexchat
531[04:56:01] <Aaron> I hate it.
532[04:56:01] <dubwoc> apt-get install xchat
533[04:56:10] <Aaron> I'm trying to use a script that needs it :)
534[04:56:28] <Aaron> and hexchat cannot give me support for it, and the script its Written in C
535[04:58:57] <awal1> ,v xchat
536[04:58:58] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3
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538[04:59:30] <awal1> Aaron, xchat is in jessie
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540[05:01:12] <Aaron> awal1, I know but If I install it. can my system brake?
541[05:01:16] <Aaron> if I'm using texting?
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544[05:01:50] <awal1> Aaron: texting?
545[05:02:26] <Aaron> *testing
546[05:02:26] <missmbob> probably. xchat is dead. no security fixes for it.
547[05:02:31] <Aaron> sorry my vision is blurry
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549[05:02:49] <Aaron> missmbob, I know its dead since 2013, that's why hexchat came along ;)
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552[05:03:19] <missmbob> so dont ask questions you already know the answer to
553[05:03:27] <awal1> Aaron: mixing branches is not a good idea
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556[05:04:56] <Guest69307> hey aaron
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558[05:06:01] <Aaron> Hello there Guest69307 ;)
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576[05:20:19] <Aaron> Wow is everyone Asleep?
577[05:20:27] <missmbob> !chat
578[05:20:27] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
579[05:20:40] <Aaron> !thank you
580[05:20:40] <dpkg> no problem, Aaron
581[05:20:47] <Aaron> !tell missmbob about thank you
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656[06:15:17] <prev> hello, guys. can someone of you please { dpkg -l | head; dpkg --list | head; } | curl -F sprunge=\<- sprunge.us for me?
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662[06:16:15] <prev> i want to help a guy on #bash to make an awk command for filtering fields in these tables.
663[06:16:17] <prev> Then, when the guy will formulate clearly what he wants, we will give him appropriate dpkg-query command
664[06:16:41] <themill> Asking dpkg directly is probably not the best way anyway
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669[06:18:42] <themill> replaced-url
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672[06:20:27] <urtzi> Hi.
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678[06:26:10] <sekjun9878> Hello, I just noticed that the systemd package contains the service for systemd-backlight. Why are those two packaged together?
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681[06:27:36] <sekjun9878> As well as systemd-timesyncd which does what ntpd normally does.
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691[06:35:41] <mo1991reg> !thank you
692[06:35:42] <dpkg> pas de quoi, mo1991reg
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706[06:51:36] <prev> themill: thank you
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711[06:58:42] <pragomer_1> my debian9 searches over 2minutes for my synology nas (nfs in fstab) that is not powered on. how to set this?
712[06:59:03] <pragomer_1> I mean: debian9 searches it while booting
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751[07:17:53] <usersomething> I recently updated my nvdia driver and now I am getting this error "tmp_crb; resource not found iw|wifi firmware not found."I have grub dual boot on my systems, any way rollback changes
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754[07:18:37] <prev> you Debian users surely know how to get crazy problems in your system
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756[07:19:03] <usersomething> lol
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758[07:19:28] <pragomer_1> I got this same problem: replaced-url
759[07:19:40] <pragomer_1> no idea how to solve this via fstab?
760[07:19:41] <usersomething> any experts around ?
761[07:19:49] <usersomething> :P
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768[07:24:49] <buu_> So, uh, I ssh'd into a box, ran apt-get dist-upgrade without remembering to stick it inside screen; now my ssh connection just died to the box. I can reconnect, but what do you think happened to the apt-get command?
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770[07:25:14] <buu_> I mean, apt-get is still in the process table so I assume it's going to keep doing something, but where will it stop?
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788[07:36:57] <at0m> buu_: where were you in the apt process? downloading packages?
789[07:37:19] <raylu> i upgraded my debian testing VM and guest additions appear to no longer be installed. installing gives me: Package virtualbox-guest-x11 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
790[07:37:27] <at0m> buu_: if so, then it's probably waiting for confirmation to proceed and install
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792[07:38:25] <raylu> (apt history has Commandline: apt full-upgrade ... Remove: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse:amd64 (1:13.1.0-1+b1), virtualbox-guest-x11:amd64 (5.1.10-dfsg-1))
793[07:39:05] <at0m> buu_: i'd kill the apt process, then "apt -f install" to fix previously interrupted
794[07:39:33] <at0m> buu_: from within screen this time :p
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803[07:42:34] <buu_> at0m: It was building init.d images!
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807[07:42:52] <buu_> /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 19 --configure e2fsprogs:amd64
808[07:42:54] <at0m> buu_: ok, it will rebuild.
809[07:43:08] <buu_> /usr/bin/dpkg --status-fd 19 --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/install-info_6.3.0.dfsg.1-1+b1_amd64.deb
810[07:43:16] <buu_> I'll let it run and see what happens
811[07:43:20] <buu_> It's a vps anyways
812[07:43:30] <at0m> -f works like magic to me =)
813[07:43:57] <at0m> maybe you'd have to remove a dpkg lock file, but that's not too hard. apt will tell you.
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852[08:07:34] <buu_> bolt: I think you can mount disks with an autosync option that forces them to sync every write
853[08:07:44] <buu_> Some programs like dd do it
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912[08:58:52] <teegee> hi
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915[09:01:23] <teegee> trying to figure out why this command fails: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 57153 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.10.10.21
916[09:01:26] <teegee> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.
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920[09:02:44] <teegee> iptables -t nat -L PREROUTING works
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943[09:16:06] <teegee> how do you keep it so quiet in here? :)
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963[09:24:54] <somiaj> teegee: maybe ##networking might respond. I don't see anything striking me as incorrect
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993[09:49:35] <teegee> thanks somiaj
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1000[09:59:13] <buu_> So.. my ssh connection died in the middle of a dist-upgrade, now apt has finished running and apt-get install -f suggests nothing to do except it lists maybe 2 dozen packages, a lot of which are perl libs, that were "automatically installed and no longer needed"
1001[09:59:19] <buu_> Including libperl4-corelibs-perl ??
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1009[10:06:43] <at0m> buu: that would be "apt-get -f install". if it completes ok, that means apt-get had finished its upgrade.
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1011[10:07:04] <at0m> when in doubt, re-run apt-get dist-upgrade
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1022[10:18:58] <WechKep> Just...
1023[10:18:58] <WechKep> Just ate a burger at the sleazy joint
1024[10:18:58] <WechKep> Now I gotta take a shit, get to the point
1025[10:18:58] <WechKep> Sittin' on the toilet, my ass is a blast
1026[10:18:58] <WechKep> Runnin' smelly diarrhea outta my ass
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1030[10:21:13] <klys> ,versions wine
1031[10:21:14] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.5-1; jessie-backports: 1.8.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.6-3; sid: 1.8.6-4; sid: 1.8.6-5
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1034[10:23:41] <WechKep> No fuckin' paper
1035[10:23:41] <WechKep> Hey baby lick my ass 'til your face turns blue
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1037[10:23:52] <WechKep> You're finished rimmin' me and you want some more
1038[10:23:53] <WechKep> Ya say ya don't flush but your out the door
1039[10:23:56] <bazhang> !ops | WechKep trolling
1040[10:23:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | WechKep trolling
1041[10:24:06] <WechKep> I'm back in the...with a cup
1042[10:24:07] <WechKep> Scoop it outta the toilet 'cause you wanna slurp it up
1043[10:24:20] <WechKep> Eat my diarrhea you're chuggin' it down
1044[10:24:20] <WechKep> You're suckin' my ass and your lips are all brown
1045[10:24:30] <WechKep> Since we've gone back to the hamburger place
1046[10:24:30] <WechKep> I'm gonna stick my ass right on your face
1047[10:24:45] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit in your mouth
1048[10:24:45] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit in your face, your mouth
1049[10:24:58] <WechKep> And I wanna shit on your mother
1050[10:24:58] <WechKep> I'm gonna shit on you and your mother
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1052[10:25:13] <WechKep> Diarrhea
1053[10:25:14] <WechKep> I gotta take a shit
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1056[10:26:42] <WechKep> Gotta bottle a Ex-Lax, gonna take it
1057[10:26:42] <WechKep> I'm gonna take me a lumpy shit
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1059[10:26:51] <WechKep> Gonna throw it at you, I hope I hit you
1060[10:26:52] <WechKep> I hope it splats in your face there too
1061[10:27:02] <WechKep> It's comin' out my ass all drippin' wet
1062[10:27:11] <WechKep> It's comin' out my ass all drippin' wet
1063[10:27:11] <WechKep> I want you to suck up all of it
1064[10:27:19] <WechKep> Lick my ass and eat it too
1065[10:27:20] <WechKep> Cause diarrhea is good for you
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1067[10:28:45] <turlutton> Trying to learn virtualization and others to discover the world of sysadmin. I'am on my laptop using KVM following replaced-url
1068[10:29:46] <WechKep> Ya eat it, eat it, eat
1069[10:29:46] <WechKep> Eat it, eat it, eat
1070[10:29:46] <WechKep> Diarrhea
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1075[10:29:59] <WechKep> Eat my fuckin' shit
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1078[10:30:51] <buu> turlutton: You might as well start off with installing the bare minimum and go from there
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1080[10:31:07] <WechKep> Debian is my ex boyfriend
1081[10:31:11] <WechKep> he chugged my diarrhea
1082[10:31:13] <WechKep> every night
1083[10:31:15] <WechKep> it was a ritual
1084[10:31:19] <WechKep> isn't that right buu
1085[10:31:22] <WechKep> you know you loved it
1086[10:31:49] <WechKep> sphenxes01 do you love to slurp shit out of a man's sphincter?
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1101[10:35:31] <turlutton> buu: why not, can you point me to the right direction? Should I start from a netinstall and "go from there"? Don't know how to start.
1102[10:36:17] <turlutton> If I had a real problem, a real case, but I just want to learn stuff.
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1105[10:36:34] <Iridos> I am having trouble connecting to the "unitimedia wifispot"s with debian jessie, while my android phone seems to have no problems
1106[10:37:01] <ztealmax> Good day to you all :)
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1108[10:37:47] <Iridos> according to their site, it's peap / ttls the setup is here in the config: replaced-url
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1111[10:38:56] <Iridos> (I've moved and they have a program people can share into other of their customers wifis with mobile devices… so I hope this will give me *some* net until I get internet in the new apartment)
1112[10:39:10] <Iridos> (and that's why it's a complicated tunneled protocol)
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1115[10:39:27] <Iridos> any idea if support for those in jessie is maybe not yet there or something?
1116[10:39:33] <budfox> Why is there no recent Node package for Jessie?
1117[10:39:50] <bazhang> node.js?
1118[10:40:08] <Iridos> budfox, because stable never gets any new versions… that's why it's "stable"
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1120[10:41:21] <budfox> bazhang: Yep
1121[10:41:33] <budfox> Iridos: Sorry that doesn't make any sense lol
1122[10:41:44] <bazhang> what version did you need
1123[10:41:45] <Iridos> dpkg, stable
1124[10:41:45] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.7); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
1125[10:42:16] <Iridos> that makes a lot of sensse for a lot of people. nolol
1126[10:42:16] <budfox> I see I see
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1128[10:42:26] <budfox> Well anyway I found replaced-url
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1130[10:42:59] <budfox> OpenBSD stable gets packages all the time replaced-url
1131[10:43:32] <Iridos> ,checkbackport network-manager
1132[10:43:33] <judd> Backporting package network-manager in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: ppp-dev (>= 2.4.7-1+1).
1133[10:43:46] <Iridos> ,checkbackport ppp-dev
1134[10:43:47] <judd> Backporting package ppp-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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1139[10:45:37] <Iridos> meh, not true. dh-systemd : Depends: debhelper (>= 9.20160709)
1140[10:45:51] <Iridos> ,versions debhelper
1141[10:45:52] <judd> Package: debhelper on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.20120909; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 10.2.2~bpo8+1; stretch: 10.2.2; stretch: 10.2.3; sid: 10.2.5
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1155[10:51:55] <DoctorD90> hello! I have a little question. I have looked on the site. Id like to join debian community helping it. Im not a skilled coder, but Id like to help in my business area: marketing. Would be possible help debian under that view? And if yes, How can I? :)
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1165[10:54:17] <jscoder> I have an old version of crossover that worked on a Jessie amd64 box I setup with multiarch but it fails when I run the installer on this i386 machine, it says basically it doesn't support "unknown on Linux / x86" does anyone know what might be failing to report this is an i386 architecture, that works on another box?
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1171[10:55:29] <jscoder> it doesn't seem to be uname or lsb_release
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1173[10:56:06] <jscoder> and this app wouldn't know to check dpkg-architecture so its not that either
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1182[11:05:36] <ztealmax> §yey just created my first debian package :D system-wide computer icon for all users in lxde, sweet :D
1183[11:06:04] <ztealmax> to be honest thought it would be harder :P
1184[11:06:41] <ztealmax> ok helped that i used debreate ;) hehe
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1193[11:11:03] <jscoder> ztealmax: using eqivs is by far the easiest way to create a deb package :-P
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1197[11:13:08] <jscoder> I see nothing in this strace that tells me whats going on
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1203[11:15:21] <grumpy> hi all
1204[11:16:06] <grumpy> is there anyone who can tel me how to open kodi on gnome
1205[11:16:10] <ztealmax> jscoder: thanx ill check it out
1206[11:16:17] <irc2000> not so much to chose from when you download debian? No choice between different editions (desktop, server etc) and different archs and versions? seems to only be 1 choice?
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1211[11:17:21] <ztealmax> irc2000: its all in same iso you select at end what you want, xfce/lxde/mate etc or if you want to run as server no desktop etc
1212[11:17:24] <grumpy> irc2000: it mean i have to restart my pc n start on cmd mode to use kodi
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1215[11:18:21] <irc2000> so I'm assuming some of you are on debian right now. Is it your desktop? How many GB is your installation taking up (including personal files etc)
1216[11:18:31] <grumpy> can i use kodi on debian's desktop environment
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1219[11:19:16] <jscoder> ztealmax: it was a joke, equivs makes dummy packages which are empty solely for the purpose of shutting dpkg up when bitching about dependencies you already satisfied by other means
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1221[11:21:46] <grumpy> please help me about kodi on gnome
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1225[11:22:33] <bazhang> replaced-url
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1228[11:23:40] <at0m> ,v kodi
1229[11:23:41] <grumpy> bazhang: i have tried many ways but its workng only on cmd mode not on gnome environment
1230[11:23:42] <judd> Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 16.1+dfsg1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:17.0~rc2+dfsg1-1; sid: 2:17.0~rc3+dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1b2; sid-multimedia: 5:17.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:17.0-dmo3
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1232[11:24:20] <bazhang> grumpy, then you need to read that wiki carefully, it's all there
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1234[11:24:40] <grumpy> judd i am new to debian please guide me how i can able to turn on kodi on gnome
1235[11:24:41] <judd> No package named 'am' was found in jessie/amd64.
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1262[11:30:39] <mmm4m5m> hi. I have just installed debian 8.7.1 on new external hdd. There was question - do you want to install GRUB to MBR. I said "NO'. Then I manually selected to install GRUB on external hdd.
1263[11:30:39] <mmm4m5m> Now when I tell BIOS to boot from the external hdd - GRUB does not load, debian does not start. What wrong I did? How to fix it? Can I use debian installer CD to fix it? (installer could give me access to the console)
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1265[11:32:02] <ztealmax> jscoder: ohh lol :P that proves that im kind of new to this hehe
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1271[11:33:31] <jscoder> ztealmax: yeah, well rebuilding a package already in debian is also pretty simple.. building a new one is where things get sticky
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1288[11:39:56] <irc2000> lol, what iso do I download? one is 4GB and one is 600MB... why would I chose one over the other? Netinstall suffice?
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1292[11:40:57] <jscoder> hmm.. damn, uname -p does say "unknown"
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1294[11:41:17] <bolt> irc2000: netinstall is sufficient if you have internet access
1295[11:41:35] <bolt> irc2000: the other has more packages available while offline
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1298[11:42:25] <irc2000> ok thanks.
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1300[11:42:44] <irc2000> I don't know how much space I need though? How much are your debian desktops using?
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1306[11:45:17] <jscoder> irc2000: the install will use about 4gb for a full desktop environment, my system is currently running off a 32gb thumbdrive with about 9gb for my root partition and 19gb for my /home
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1309[11:46:03] <jscoder> irc2000: I currently have 5.2gb used on / but I have a bunch of extra crap installed
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1311[11:46:26] <irc2000> hmm.. alright. That's modern times I guess.
1312[11:46:43] <irc2000> Usually I just put up a 200MB arch server.
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1314[11:47:24] <jscoder> irc2000: I installed with mate desktop and I think it was under 4gb, 3 and some change initially
1315[11:47:27] <irc2000> setting up a webserver. Lazy question. But how much ram does it need? :p
1316[11:47:54] <jscoder> irc2000: depends, webservers have drastically different needs.
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1320[11:48:32] <jscoder> irc2000: things to consider are number of potential clients accessing it, if there are additional components with overhead like php, sql, etc
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1326[11:49:22] <jscoder> irc2000: I can run a webserver on my Alphasmart Dana, and it onle has a Motorola 68k 33mhz cpu and 4mb ram
1327[11:49:36] <jscoder> its not going to host facebook or youtube
1328[11:49:41] <mmm4m5m> Seems like it is solved. I found how to start rescue mode: replaced-url
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1337[11:55:29] <jscoder> idk, I'm f'n baffled.. uname -p definitely does say "unknown", but this never checks uname -p, just uname -m (i686) and uname -s (Linux)
1338[11:55:50] <debish> hey!
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1340[11:56:11] <jscoder> hay is for horses and other barn animals
1341[11:56:26] <jscoder> dpkg, yinzersmite debish
1342[11:56:26] * dpkg rilly wisht debish conjagated sharn once in awhile.
1343[11:56:59] <debish> Sure, jscoder
1344[11:57:48] <jscoder> dpkg yinzersimte .*? ~ s/awhile/ahwile/
1345[11:57:49] <dpkg> jscoder: I don't know, could you explain it?
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1347[11:58:03] <jscoder> no, probably not, my perl-fu isn't that great
1348[11:58:12] <debish> it's also a widely accepted onomatopoeia
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1351[11:58:39] <jscoder> debish: yeah, well did you need something? ;-P
1352[11:58:57] <debish> anyway, I was wondering if anyone here is experiencing trouble with the last kernel included in debian testng
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1354[11:59:23] <debish> version 4.9.0-1
1355[11:59:28] <CuSn> Hi, I have 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) GNU/Linux. I'm trying to find out which named release this is, eg "jessie" or which. Is there a mapping somewhere?
1356[11:59:39] <debish> for some reason I can't start xserver with the new kernel
1357[11:59:49] <jscoder> I am not authorized to speak for anyone, here or elsewhere.
1358[12:00:06] <CuSn> debish: are you getting a specific error message?
1359[12:00:14] <debish> nothing
1360[12:00:17] <debish> it freezes
1361[12:00:19] <jscoder> the xserver not working is likely due to the video driver which would be rebuilt using dkms likely on kernel upgrade
1362[12:00:20] <debish> no logs
1363[12:00:41] <debish> jscoder, it may be enough if you speak for yourself
1364[12:01:00] <CuSn> debish: he may not want to get married.
1365[12:01:11] <CuSn> (Cue miles standish)
1366[12:01:43] <jscoder> CuSn: there are ways, like checking /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/debian_version but the most reliable is checking dpkg -l libc6 against package versions
1367[12:01:44] <debish> jscoder, I'm going to check that, thanks
1368[12:01:56] <CuSn> jscoder: can you fall back to a previous driver or downgrade to a more basic one?
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1370[12:02:01] <jscoder> ,versions libc6
1371[12:02:02] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u7; sid: 2.24-9; stretch: 2.24-9
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1373[12:02:20] <CuSn> jscoder: gracias.
1374[12:02:43] * CuSn wonders why they don't put the release name in the /etc/motd or the uname info. :-)
1375[12:02:46] <jscoder> CuSn: sometimes, depends on what harware and driver you're using. If you got nvidia's 3rd party you could fall back to noveau(nv) or such for example
1376[12:03:26] <debish> I'm leaving for a min to do some tests
1377[12:03:27] <jscoder> CuSn: well a system is a moving target once its installed, the admin can do whatever they want.. thats why those sorts of things are unreliable markers of version
1378[12:03:34] <debish> thanks both! ;)
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1384[12:04:27] <jscoder> CuSn: the most reliable test of debian version is comparison of libc6 version which is perhaps one of the most core and integrated packages
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1387[12:05:14] <CuSn> jscoder: if someone modifies the install config information after install, thats clearly on them. :-) but it would be nice if it started out correct.
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1389[12:06:04] <debish> I'm back
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1391[12:06:19] <jscoder> debish: I noticed
1392[12:06:30] <debish> jscoder, it was the video driver that for some reason was not rebuilt
1393[12:06:51] <debish> X up and running with new kernel :)
1394[12:06:53] <jscoder> debish: in the words of Ford Prefect, "That does happen"
1395[12:07:20] <jscoder> especially when you installed your driver yourself with a rube method that the system isn't aware of
1396[12:07:51] <debish> I didn't
1397[12:07:57] <jscoder> dkms has made those sorts of things a lot more rare though..
1398[12:08:17] <debish> that's for tech hipsters
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1401[12:09:03] <jscoder> p0g0: you're suppose to know where your towel is
1402[12:09:34] <p0g0> jscoder: I know, I know... it is under this pile of rubble that used to be my house, I think.
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1406[12:11:59] <CuSn> judd: thank you.
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1408[12:12:48] <jscoder> judd botsnack
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1410[12:13:06] <jscoder> oh well, judd doesn't take food from people :-P
1411[12:13:16] <jscoder> dpkg, botsnack
1412[12:13:16] <dpkg> aw, gee, jscoder
1413[12:13:22] <jscoder> I'll just give it to dpkg instead
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1416[12:14:44] <jscoder> dpkg cmd: yinzersmite .*? ~= s/awhile/ahwile/
1417[12:14:44] <dpkg> jscoder: wish i knew
1418[12:15:09] <jscoder> dpkg cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/awhile/ahwile/
1419[12:15:09] <dpkg> jscoder: OK
1420[12:15:24] <jscoder> yay! got it on the 3rd try
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1426[12:16:10] <CuSn> per version of libc, I have "Jessie". eg - which was whatever was latest on Jan 8-th or so. :-)
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1432[12:18:42] <jscoder> CuSn: what I find curious is that judd reported that the Jessie libc is newer than the Jessie-security version
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1434[12:19:49] <CuSn> I assume thenewest version of glibc hasn't been built into/integrated into the security release yet?
1435[12:20:03] <CuSn> (assume == guess) :-)
1436[12:20:14] <jscoder> CuSn: heh, that doesn't make any sense
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1438[12:20:40] <jscoder> once a stable version is released it's frozen and doesn't change except for point-releases through security/volitile
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1440[12:20:56] <nicofrand> Hi
1441[12:21:08] <jscoder> nicofrand: not yet, but we're working on it
1442[12:21:16] <nicofrand> hm :) ?
1443[12:21:33] <nicofrand> already working on an issue I haven't told, so great \o
1444[12:21:34] <CuSn> jscoder: well if changes were mad to libc, you would want them in the secure release until thos changes had been properly regressin tested in case they introduce vulnerabilities to the system. libc is pretty pervasely used wo ity could provide a large attack surface.
1445[12:21:39] <CuSn> *made
1446[12:21:44] <jscoder> nicofrand: no, working on being "hi"
1447[12:21:50] <jscoder> it was a joke
1448[12:22:25] <CuSn> *would->wouldn't
1449[12:22:26] <nicofrand> oh, sorry :D !
1450[12:22:37] <jscoder> CuSn: which is the whole reason stable doesn't get updates.
1451[12:22:42] <CuSn> yup
1452[12:23:04] <jscoder> which is why its odd that judd said that
1453[12:23:21] <nicofrand> I am having some issues while using debconf-apt-progress with apt-get update whereas apt-get update alors works fine. I was wondering if somebody could help ? Here are the logs : replaced-url
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1455[12:24:11] <nicofrand> s/alors/alone/ *
1456[12:24:27] <CuSn> I once worked for a firm that didn't have a proper build system in place. They built telecomm hardware for the military. back in the 1980' they lost the code for an entire product release. They had to patch binaries to do bug-fixes. (They became totally committed to proper source code management afterthat :-D )
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1462[12:26:59] <jscoder> nicofrand: wtf is debconf-apt-progress?
1463[12:27:06] <kang0> Is it possible to convert debian into .wim file?
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1465[12:27:21] <jscoder> also, use paste.debian.net in the future. .that site has popups and is in french
1466[12:27:28] <nicofrand> jscoder something used to display a nice progressbar while the command does its job
1467[12:27:31] <nicofrand> oops, sorry
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1469[12:28:16] <jscoder> @.@
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1473[12:31:12] <nicofrand> jscoder something like that replaced-url
1474[12:31:45] <nicofrand> ("Téléchargement du fichier" meaning "Downloading file")
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1478[12:33:17] <jscoder> nicofrand: I think its a dumb idea personally. Synaptic shows progress bars .. the whole point of acommand line is to see whats happening
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1480[12:33:41] <jscoder> nicofrand: where did you get this from?
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1482[12:34:24] <nicofrand> jscoder yup but I am just trying to understand a script here that fails because of that. (replaced-url
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1484[12:35:09] <nicofrand> debconf-apt-progress works fine on my local computer based on ubuntu though
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1487[12:37:46] <SynrG> nicofrand: are you trying to solve it on debian? you're welcome to try what you learn on debian on other OSes, but we confine ourselves to debian support here. otherwise, see your own distro's channel for support.
1488[12:37:52] <jscoder> the error is pretty explicit in explaining the error and where it is. The problem is that this isn't a debian issue, you'd be served best contacting the developer
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1490[12:38:24] <nicofrand> SynrG yup, the issue is on my server, Debian 8.7
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1492[12:38:50] <nicofrand> The developer of… ? debconf-apt-progress ?
1493[12:39:14] <jscoder> yes, that and perhaps seeing #perl if you need help actually debugging
1494[12:40:28] <jscoder> the scope of this channel is helping debian users with debian specific things we all know about. If it were a debian package you'd be advised to check the BTS and file a bug report, in this case you're gonna be advised to contact the upstream maintainer and file a bug report :-P
1495[12:41:03] <nicofrand> I don't remember installing this package, I though it came with debian someway
1496[12:41:17] <nicofrand> thought*
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1498[12:41:36] <jscoder> nicofrand: *shrug* I never seen or heard of it, but I've also been under a rock so to speak for several years
1499[12:41:38] <SynrG> it is a part of debconf itself
1500[12:41:46] <SynrG> apt-file search debconf-apt-progress
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1502[12:42:00] <jscoder> I asked where you got it from
1503[12:42:05] <nicofrand> is there anyway I can tell from where this package comes from ? If this is a dependency or some other package or something like that ?
1504[12:42:12] <jscoder> you mentioned github
1505[12:42:27] <nicofrand> jscoder yeah the script that uses it
1506[12:42:35] <nicofrand> sorry if I was misleading
1507[12:43:00] <SynrG> ?
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1509[12:43:05] <jscoder> heh
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1511[12:43:17] <SynrG> "this package" = debconf?
1512[12:43:22] <nicofrand> you were advising not to use it, but instead using the command directly so I just told you I was using a script that was using it.
1513[12:43:23] <SynrG> yes, that's standard.
1514[12:44:04] <SynrG> nicofrand: i use 'apt' frontend now since jessie ...
1515[12:44:07] * jscoder raises the anchor and sails out of the pirate bay
1516[12:44:10] <SynrG> shows progress bars all on its own just fine
1517[12:44:15] <SynrG> no need for hackery
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1519[12:44:40] <nicofrand> yup, but I would be glad if I could make it work without modifying the whole script that calls it
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1521[12:45:07] <jscoder> nicofrand: so what you were saying is, you use some wrapper to access apt, and this progress behavior you like works when you use app directly and not when you use this wrapper script?
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1523[12:45:22] <jscoder> or simply that apt works, but not with the progress
1524[12:45:23] <nicofrand> that must be some misconfiguration on my server, this seems to work fine for other people, and on my ubuntu computer (yeah I know, not debian, just saying)
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1528[12:45:54] <nicofrand> jscoder apt works, the thing (deconf-apt-progress) to display the progress does not
1529[12:46:02] <SynrG> agreed that helping you debug random scripts not in debian is out of scope for here
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1533[12:46:29] <SynrG> maybe the script's usage of debconf-apt-progress is incorrect?
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1536[12:47:27] <jscoder> sounds like user error is the issue if in fact he uses the exact same script on another box with another OS and it works. That user error may or may not be compounded by certain configuration or feature differences of the packages in debian
1537[12:47:31] <nicofrand> SynrG nope, I just tried the command myself (so, not using the script) and it seems conform to the manual
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1539[12:47:53] <jscoder> either way, the upstream developer would be in the best position to know what the hell that script does and what it needs to do it.
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1541[12:48:07] <jscoder> you'd want to compile a detailed bug report and send it upstream to the developer(s)
1542[12:48:14] <SynrG> of debconf?
1543[12:48:42] <SynrG> if we're talking about "debconf-apt-progress" which as i pointed out, is part of debconf itself, it *is* very much a part of debian ...
1544[12:48:48] <jscoder> include info like package versions on the system of related packages (e.g. dpkg -l debconf-apt-progress) and such
1545[12:48:51] <nicofrand> (I checked "man debconf-apt-progress")
1546[12:48:53] <SynrG> and discussion about it is appropriate for here
1547[12:48:57] <nicofrand> SynrG I am
1548[12:49:21] <SynrG> and filing a bug from a debian system on debconf itself is also appropriate (i.e. no need to "find upstream" and file a bug there)
1549[12:49:58] <jscoder> if apt is working without this 3rd party script it is probably the script not debconf that has the issue
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1551[12:50:16] <SynrG> nicofrand: it has some stringent requirements for what 'command' should do. you sure you've met those?
1552[12:50:26] <SynrG> jscoder: agreed with that statement.
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1554[12:50:48] <jscoder> and as I said it MAY be due to a debconf feature not in that version or that has been patched, but the developer of the SCRIPT would know best where the issue lies
1555[12:51:05] <nicofrand> SynrG I guess. What do you have in mind ? I just tried "debconf-apt-progress -- apt-get update"
1556[12:51:19] <jscoder> if you hear from that upstream developer, then check the debian BTS against what he tells you, then you may still need to file a bug under debian
1557[12:51:24] <SynrG> nicofrand: "specifically it must ..." make sure your apt frontend command meets those requirements
1558[12:51:48] <SynrG> nicofrand: it may be that the script makes assumptions about what options are enabled (or implemented)
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1562[12:52:22] <nicofrand> I am trying the command myself here, once I make it work, I'll use the script again, but for now I just forget the script.
1563[12:52:35] <SynrG> nicofrand: so it could either be a deficiency in the implementation of the apt frontend (feature not yet supported) or else in the default configuration of that frontend (i.e. your script must override the defaults)
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1565[12:52:54] <SynrG> since i haven't studied in depth, i couldn't say which
1566[12:53:05] <nicofrand> ok then I have to find if "apt-get update" is well configured to send progress information
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1569[12:53:21] <SynrG> nicofrand: exactly. i bet it just doesn't meet the requirements
1570[12:53:27] <thecha> how can i change the ownership of an exteranl in debian
1571[12:53:46] <thecha> i try the normal instructions and it comes back as 'error' no permitted'
1572[12:54:31] <nicofrand> ok thank you SynrG
1573[12:54:37] <SynrG> best of luck
1574[12:54:48] <jscoder> thecha: a what?
1575[12:55:07] <jscoder> thecha: are you talking about a removable storage device?
1576[12:55:20] <SynrG> thecha: yes, a what? :) we have no idea what "an external" means. be more specific.
1577[12:55:35] <SynrG> otherwise, we're left to guessing ...
1578[12:55:52] <jscoder> SynrG: an external is one that dangles between your legs..
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1580[12:56:13] <jscoder> some people have them turned inside out and stuffed internally now..
1581[12:56:23] <jscoder> I heard medicare may cover it soon
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1583[12:57:26] <tehcha> hang on let me read out the devices information from comand line
1584[12:57:36] <tehcha> thanks for helping me help you
1585[12:57:41] <tehcha> help me
1586[12:57:42] <tehcha> lol
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1596[13:05:33] <tehcha> hwinfo didnt work
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1599[13:05:52] <tehcha> it is an usb hdd wich i have plugged into debian via usb
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1602[13:06:38] <tehcha> i have mounted it belonging to the root user
1603[13:07:06] <tehcha> and i want to change the ownership of one folder on there to replaced-url
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1606[13:08:29] <jayshols> Kkk
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1614[13:14:03] <jscoder> tehcha: what is the filesystem?
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1619[13:16:16] <tehcha> the filesystem is fat32
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1622[13:16:48] <tehcha> I wanted to do the ntfs-3g but it only became available just recently even though i installed it days ago
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1624[13:17:21] <jscoder> o.O
1625[13:18:22] <jscoder> ok, well look, windows filesystems be they fat or ntfs do not have unix style permissions, so the mount command sets the permissions globally
1626[13:18:42] <jscoder> you can set -o uid=foo,gid=bar options to have a user and a group
1627[13:18:55] <jscoder> dpkg umsdos
1628[13:18:56] <dpkg> UMSDOS was an overlay filesystem driver for the Linux kernel, providing a traditional Unix filesystem within a FAT volume. It allowed Linux distributions to be installed within an existing FAT filesystem, avoiding disk partitioning and ext2 filesystem establishment. Removed at Linux 2.6.11 due to lack of maintenance, see replaced-url
1629[13:19:19] <jscoder> apparently umsdos isn't even around anymore
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1632[13:20:07] <jscoder> I just attempted to use a bind mount with different permissions on an ntfs partition to attempt to change the permissions of a single folder, it doesn't work
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1666[13:41:56] <nicofrand> SynrG sorry to bother you again, but I can't find any way to check it. "apt-get upgrade --show-progress" works fine though. I can't find any log from debconf either that would point me to the good direction to know where it fails (if this comes from apt-get or not)…
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1692[13:59:16] <nicofrand> SynrG nevermind, reinstalling debconf fixed it
1693[13:59:23] <nicofrand> thanks for the help
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1771[14:40:47] <Roland-> hi folks, doing a windows p2v, of course getting device driver missing because is virtio now, anything I can do ?
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1773[14:42:38] <frostschutz> reinstall?
1774[14:43:44] <Roland-> thanks, wonderfull advice
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1776[14:43:58] <Roland-> wonderful*
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1785[14:48:24] <mateusz_> yo hello
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1795[14:54:39] <irc2000> I've got 7GB ram... debian wants to make a 1gb swap.. I'm going to remove that swap. Is there any reason to keep the swap? (I am new to debian, not linux)
1796[14:55:45] <zykotick9> irc2000: swap is required for hibernation... if that's something you use.
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1798[14:56:40] <irc2000> zykotick9: doesn't swap have to be larger than ram then?
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1801[14:56:55] <irc2000> not hibernating though
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1803[14:57:27] <irc2000> I want as little IO as possible, so I rather not have a swap anyway
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1805[14:57:34] <zykotick9> irc2000: _usually_ swap should be slightly larger yes, BUT, if you aren't using ALL your RAM you can sometimes get away with using less.
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1808[14:58:05] <zykotick9> irc2000: my 512MB RAM BBB ran debian without swap...
1809[14:59:14] <jelly> irc2000: historically kernel used to be a bit buggy if there was no swap at all. keeping a token 1GB just for that seems reasonable
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1815[15:01:46] <dTal> I tend to run without swap, but be aware - Linux does not appear to be very good at handling low memory situations
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1819[15:02:34] <irc2000> zykotick9: BBB?
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1821[15:03:01] <zykotick9> irc2000: sorry, Beagle Bone Black - a single board computer (with limited resources ;)
1822[15:03:02] <dTal> so if you *do* run out of memory, the results are unpredictable
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1825[15:04:10] <irc2000> dTal: yolo
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1829[15:06:40] <irc2000> you can install a web server when you install debian. What kind of webserver is it? apache?
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1831[15:06:52] <abrotman> yes
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1833[15:07:06] <irc2000> nginx > apache
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1835[15:07:22] <abrotman> okay, good for you. Doesn't change that it installs apache
1836[15:07:47] <themill> or that you can do it yourself straight after installation
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1839[15:08:41] <irc2000> "debian desktop environment" is marked, but none if its sub options. Do I have to pick one? (there's gnome, xfce etc)
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1846[15:10:45] * zykotick9 must say, having "debian desktop environment" then gnome as a sub option, seems confusing to him...
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1848[15:11:40] <themill> That's what happens when you get the "boo hoo my freedom are impinged by not having a million choices in the installer" brigade come out 5 min prior to release
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1859[15:16:24] <TomTomTo1> having gnome missing from the list would be even more confusing and you wouldn't be able to install gnome plus a second DE. it does somehow make sense like it is right now.
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1865[15:18:46] <TomTomTo1> irc2000: if you don't pick a suboption, gnome will be chosen by default I believe.
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1868[15:19:04] <irc2000> gnome on a server, does that matter really? Is there such a gain to chose a lighter de instead?
1869[15:19:35] <themill> you're looking at a menu of such options right now
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1873[15:20:08] <themill> although why you'd be installing any of them on a server beats me
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1875[15:22:32] <irc2000> themill: why not? not so bad to install something really light weight? I will be able to look at images, web output etc on the server screen directly
1876[15:22:50] <bolt> it's not so bad. it's just a bit strange
1877[15:22:55] <bolt> you don't have client machines to do that on?
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1880[15:24:28] <irc2000> bolt: it's a VM, so I'm in front of the server screen already anyway. It would feel weird to examine the content of an image file by downloading it
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1892[15:31:26] <bolt> irc2000: why not mount a share from the vm?
1893[15:31:39] <bolt> irc2000: sshfs, samba, nfs, anything...
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1895[15:32:05] <bolt> if this is something you do regularly, setting up something like that could save time
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1901[15:34:03] <irc2000> bolt: I want the VM to be effective and not queue my host system for files or transfer them over ssh. Just load them from disk directly
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1903[15:34:59] <bolt> irc2000: if you want effectiveness, why are you running a whole graphical user interface just to display files from a server that's already serving files ("web output") over the network?
1904[15:35:26] <bolt> it's not going to slow down noticeably by serving a few more files
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1906[15:36:21] <TomTomTo1> workflow is really a personal choice.
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1911[15:38:28] <irc2000> bolt: a small gui costs nothing I guess
1912[15:38:37] <irc2000> bolt: which I could use for a lot of things
1913[15:39:05] <irc2000> why can't I run ./script.sh though?
1914[15:39:17] <bolt> not stopping you
1915[15:39:33] <irc2000> file is +x and I'm root but I'm getting bash: permission denied
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1919[15:40:08] <bolt> can you paste your script somewhere?
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1921[15:40:44] <bolt> are you on a noexec mount by any chance?
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1926[15:44:03] <irc2000> yes, that
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1930[15:44:55] <bencc> is there an equivalent to Wingdings2 font on debian?
1931[15:44:56] <bencc> replaced-url
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1934[15:46:12] <irc2000> fixed
1935[15:46:20] <irc2000> how do you install the kernel headers?
1936[15:46:20] <irc2000> packetname
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1940[15:47:51] <sonOfRa> linux-headers-$(uname -r) installs them for the currently running kernel
1941[15:47:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1943[15:48:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> can you tell me if i got the syntax right on this sudoers line?
1944[15:48:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> Defaults timestamp_timeout=360
1945[15:48:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> or am i missing something
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1964[15:58:52] <systop> Eryn_1983_FL which sudoers file are you talking about
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1973[16:00:39] <systop> Eryn_1983_FL you could try zless /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers.gz
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1977[16:03:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> /etc/sudoers?
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1991[16:10:41] <systop> Eryn_1983_FL not sure
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2015[16:19:27] <jelly> lord_daemon: there's a half dozen ufs variants and I would not be sure Linux got the right one, avoid
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2019[16:21:46] <zykotick9> jelly: that's a lot better then the suggestion lord_daemon got in #ubuntu of "what happens when you try"... i wonder how many other channels got the same X-posted question?
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2021[16:22:55] <jelly> let us pray for lord_daemon's ufs filesystem
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2044[16:39:28] <lord_daemon> zykotick9 kkkkkkkk
2045[16:39:48] <lord_daemon> Staff could be sleeping so I asked in some channels
2046[16:40:09] <lord_daemon> jelly :*
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2103[17:20:18] <gulaschsuppe> can i install debian from a usb drive? and if yes, now?
2104[17:20:20] <gulaschsuppe> *how
2105[17:20:32] <missmbob> usb install
2106[17:20:36] <missmbob> !usb install
2107[17:20:36] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
2108[17:20:54] <gulaschsuppe> can it boot from uefi too then?
2109[17:21:15] <missmbob> live cds cant. reqular install ones can. secure boot is not enabled
2110[17:21:32] <gulaschsuppe> my usb drive also can hold multiple partition, can i cp debian.iso to a partition like /dev/sdx1 ?
2111[17:21:55] <missmbob> no. cp foo.iso /dev/sdx only
2112[17:22:02] <gulaschsuppe> oh
2113[17:22:14] <gulaschsuppe> how do i do it then
2114[17:22:17] <gulaschsuppe> i have data on it
2115[17:22:34] <missmbob> move it elsewhere
2116[17:22:43] <jelly> or copy it elsewhere
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2118[17:23:08] <teraflops> gulaschsuppe: backup since dd stands for disk destroyer
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2120[17:23:50] <gulaschsuppe> i dont have a media to backup it atm
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2122[17:25:04] <teraflops> use the cloud, email you the data, heck be creative :P
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2132[17:27:50] <gulaschsuppe> cloud? are you crazy?
2133[17:27:50] <gulaschsuppe> never
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2137[17:31:26] <missmbob> he's not crazy. he's telling you to figure it out because certain things we can't change and you asking over and over again is just annoying
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2182[18:02:24] <OS-24891> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY bd0f3e9cc9
2183[18:03:58] <nicofrand> OS-24891 fail ?
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2191[18:10:03] <teraflops> OS-24891: youre doing it for months, I cannot believer you're being so dumb
2192[18:10:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> lol
2193[18:10:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> nice password ill add it to my collection..
2194[18:10:49] <teraflops> OS-24891: so what are you trying to do?
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2196[18:11:20] <nicofrand> might be some kind of weird joke
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2198[18:11:37] <teraflops> is it some lame hacking approach we are not aware of?
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2205[18:13:36] <teraflops> he did it at 2016-10-17 10:46:45, same at 2016-12-20 21:07:54 and I refuse to grep more
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2210[18:15:07] <JPT> apparently no fail
2211[18:15:09] <JPT> sorry
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2215[18:15:35] <JPT> OS-24891: please configure your irc client properly and change your password
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2218[18:16:54] <nicofrand> Tell me, I am trying a package that depends on nginx-extras >= 1.6.2 which depends but when trying to install nginx-extras it tells me it depends on ngninx-common 1.6.2 whereas I have 1.9 installed. See replaced-url
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2223[18:19:17] <TomTomTo1> yes, that should be possible.
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2228[18:20:01] <TomTomTo1> you can install nginx-extras from jessie-backports manually.
2229[18:20:42] <teraflops> OS-24891: if you really failed (again), setup your client properly and excuse my rudeness
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2231[18:21:20] <nicofrand> TomTomTo1 and then I would be able to install yunohost which depends on nginx-extras >= 1.6.2 ? Why can't that work "automatically" ?
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2235[18:23:13] <TomTomTo1> apt-get doesn't do that form of automatic dependency resolution. it tries to install the package that is pinned highest. aptitude might, not sure.
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2238[18:25:00] <nicofrand> TomTomTo1 how does it detect it as "highest" ?
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2241[18:26:03] <TomTomTo1> if you look at the apt-cache policy output, jessie/main is pinned at 500, jessie-backpots/main at 100.
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2244[18:26:35] <nicofrand> ohh those are the priorities !
2245[18:26:37] <nicofrand> thanks
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2248[18:27:45] <nicofrand> meg, "apt-get install nginx-extras -t jessie-backports" wants to remove nginx-full… probably not the good way
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2253[18:30:00] <TomTomTo1> yes, nginx-extras: Conflicts: nginx-full, nginx-light
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2257[18:31:56] <nicofrand> TomTomTo1 and, since nginx-common is already installed with version 1.9.x (priority 100) whereas 1.6.x has priority 500, that must mean I specifically asked to install the version from jessie-backports ?
2258[18:32:10] <nicofrand> (I don't remember doing so)
2259[18:32:44] <somiaj> nicofrand: it may have been pulled in when you specifically asked for another package from jessie-backports that depends or reccomended it
2260[18:32:56] <somiaj> since when you add -t jessie-backports, the pinning is increased to 990
2261[18:33:10] <nicofrand> oh ok
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2263[18:33:38] <nicofrand> sigh, should write it somewhere when I do it so that I can know why I did that later
2264[18:33:52] <somiaj> all apt commands are logged in /var/log/apt
2265[18:33:56] <somiaj> similar for aptitude
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2268[18:34:20] <nicofrand> yup but I installed nginx (or whatever package from jessie-backports) some months ago
2269[18:34:37] <somiaj> and that would be in the log if you needed to look it up
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2274[18:36:57] <nicofrand> thanks, I'll try to retrieve it
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2293[18:45:41] <nicofrand> somiaj thanks, I found my error: I did a dist-upgrade
2294[18:45:57] <somiaj> with a -t jessie-backports? Yea that is something you should not do
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2296[18:46:28] <somiaj> anyways, it is nice that jessie-backports is there, but I think it gets overused, and due to how pinning works and the fact packages aren't tested as well there is some confusion on how to correctly use that repo.
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2299[18:46:56] <nicofrand> nope, I just did "apt-get dist-upgrade" (with the backports repo in the sources.list.d)
2300[18:47:09] <somiaj> that should be fine
2301[18:47:31] <nicofrand> yup but that did upgrade my nginx to 1.9.x (and with that, nginx-common)
2302[18:47:35] <somiaj> that will not install any packages from jessie-backports, unless you have already installed a package from jessie-backports, in that case it will upgrade any jessie-backports packages you have installed
2303[18:47:53] <somiaj> keep looking, it should have only done that provided you installed nginx from jessie-backports at an eariler date
2304[18:48:01] <somiaj> and it won't pull in new packages from jessie-backports to complete upgrades either.
2305[18:48:05] <nicofrand> nginx:amd64 (1.6.2-5+deb8u4, 1.9.10-1~bpo8+4)
2306[18:48:34] <somiaj> and you are sure there wasn't a -t jessie-backports or something else messing with the pinning when you ran that command. By design that shouldn't happen.
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2308[18:49:18] <nicofrand> "-t jessie-backports" would appear on the "Commandline" line in the logs ?
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2310[18:49:31] <somiaj> I would think so, but I haven't checked.
2311[18:49:33] <nicofrand> Because I don't see it as far as I check
2312[18:49:41] <somiaj> maybe it doesn't, one second
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2314[18:50:04] <john_rambo> Hi, How do I add my user account tov boxusers group ?
2315[18:50:11] <john_rambo> vboxusers
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2318[18:50:34] <nicofrand> somiaj replaced-url
2319[18:51:02] <nicofrand> nginx 1.6.2 is in the main repo, 1.9.x in the backports…
2320[18:51:44] <somiaj> in my history.log.x.gz I see the -t jessie-backports appearing in the log
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2323[18:52:40] <somiaj> are you sure you didn't mess with the pinning or the DefaultRelease or something like that, what you have shouldn't happen by default
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2325[18:52:56] <nicofrand> ok thanks. I don't find (even though I must have used it if I added the repo)
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2327[18:53:17] <nicofrand> oh I sure must have done something like that, but don't know how :D
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2329[18:53:24] <somiaj> check /etc/apt/preferences.d or the config, see if for somereason you have set the pinning or default release
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2333[18:54:12] <TomTomTo1> the pinning on backports was 100 in the paste earlier.
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2335[18:54:27] <nicofrand> nothing in preferences.d
2336[18:54:32] <somiaj> when is why I was wondering if maybe there was a default release setting (unsure if that works with pinning or not)
2337[18:54:44] <somiaj> but yes, it is odd, what happened shoudlnt' by default, but I'm unsure what the cause could be
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2358[19:09:02] <nicofrand> I can't find anywhere saying I prefer to use backports rather than main…
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2362[19:10:52] <angor> Hi guys. I have debian 8 samse server with CP1251 filenames in shares. I need to connect other clients, but they don't see russian names (see like ?????). I need to show UTF-8 names for all clients. Can I convert CP1251->UTF-8 via samba?
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2364[19:11:11] <angor> s/samse/samba
2365[19:11:33] <deuser> Hello guys, may I get help on how to switch keyboard layouts by alt+shift on debian?
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2367[19:12:26] <angor> deuser: console? kde? gnome?
2368[19:12:51] <deuser> cinnamon
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2371[19:14:31] <angor> deuser: does that work? replaced-url
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2375[19:17:49] <deuser> angor: didn't work
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2378[19:18:27] <irc2000> debian uses systemctl or what?
2379[19:19:50] <nicofrand> somiaj ok I found "apt-get install python-requests/jessie-backports". So that would mean nginx was upgraded to the backports version because it used some things from python-requests (even indirectly) ?
2380[19:21:20] <somiaj> nicofrand: maybe, but still my experience and understanding with backports, is packages should not be installed unless specifically asked, so an upgrade should not be installing these at all. The log you pasted makes me think the pinning was differnent than the default
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2382[19:21:43] <nicofrand> somiaj I have nothing in preferences.d
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2384[19:21:58] <angor> deuser: replaced-url
2385[19:22:00] <somiaj> irc2000: by default debian uses systemd, and systemctl is one tool you can use to configure things
2386[19:22:13] <irc2000> did the work
2387[19:22:17] <somiaj> nicofrand: it maybe, here I'm unsure.
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2390[19:24:28] <nicofrand> replaced-url
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2392[19:24:54] <nicofrand> ie. if I remove the package and reinstall it, will it install the 1.6.2 or the 1.9.x again ?
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2394[19:25:31] <somiaj> nicofrand: correct, because once a package is installed from jessie-backports it will continue to upgrade that package from jessie-backports
2395[19:25:36] <angor> nicofrand: ur using backports...
2396[19:26:00] <somiaj> so that is working as attended, but as to why you had lots of packages upgrade to jessie-backports with an 'apt-get upgrade' command is strange.
2397[19:26:05] <nicofrand> the highest number = the highest priority, right ? Or is it the contrary ?
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2399[19:26:08] <deuser> angor: it worked, thank you very much.
2400[19:26:08] <angor> if u switch it off - you'll definitely install 1.6.2
2401[19:26:20] <angor> deuser: ur welcome :)
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2403[19:26:35] <nicofrand> yup but without switching it off ? (I guess I used it for some reasons)
2404[19:26:59] <somiaj> nicofrand: yes higher number is higher priority.
2405[19:27:00] <angor> I'd ask man apt-get...
2406[19:27:18] <somiaj> nicofrand: there is a speical execption with backports packages, and that is to ensure once you install a backports package it upgrades.
2407[19:27:41] <somiaj> but I have yet to see backports packages installed during an upgrade without me asking it on my few systems which use backports
2408[19:28:05] <nicofrand> replaced-url
2409[19:29:13] <somiaj> nicofrand: specify the version, apt-get install nginx=version
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2413[19:30:35] <angor> nicofrand: did u try "apt-get -t jessie install nginx"?
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2416[19:31:26] <nicofrand> nope, trying to understand first
2417[19:31:41] <nicofrand> well, I guess I'll remove nginx-* and reinstall it
2418[19:31:51] <nicofrand> remove will keep all my config files right ?
2419[19:32:06] <angor> make backup to be sure :)
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2421[19:32:16] <angor> but it should keep
2422[19:32:28] <somiaj> it should, or you can do what I suggested apt-get install pkg1=version pkg2=version etc
2423[19:32:29] <nicofrand> yep, I already made
2424[19:32:45] <somiaj> but you will have to manually specifiy the version for each one and maybe include multiple in your line to manually downgrade back to jessie
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2426[19:32:54] <TomTomTo1> no guarantee that the config files are backwards compatible.
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2428[19:33:07] <angor> TomTomTo1: agree
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2430[19:33:16] <nicofrand> somiaj that creates conflicts with nginx-common etc.
2431[19:33:20] <somiaj> also apt might still think you want to install the jessie-backports version since you will still have record of the jessie-backports version on your system
2432[19:33:27] <somiaj> nicofrand: so then add nginx-common=version to the list
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2434[19:33:45] <somiaj> i.e. you are gonna have to be very specific telling apt what to do to do this
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2437[19:34:42] <nicofrand> somiaj thanks that looks good: replaced-url
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2442[19:36:15] <nicofrand> OK, I give it a try
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2449[19:37:21] <nicofrand> \o
2450[19:37:25] <nicofrand> thanks everyone
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2453[19:37:34] <peixoto> hello there
2454[19:37:38] <peixoto> how are you??
2455[19:37:39] <peixoto> :
2456[19:37:40] <peixoto> :)
2457[19:37:50] <somiaj> peixoto: hello, do you have a debian support question?
2458[19:37:57] <nicofrand> now I am gonna be able to install yunohost
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2464[19:38:33] <somiaj> nicofrand: you may want to go through that list of packages that were upgraded to backports in your log and downgrade them as well, and then double check that upgrdes dont' try to upgrade to backports anymore
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2467[19:38:57] <somiaj> nicofrand: also check apt-cache policy after wards to see if it is correctly honoring the pinning
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2469[19:39:52] <nicofrand> apt-get dist-upgrade -s does not want to upgrade anything else
2470[19:40:02] <nicofrand> apt-cache policy nginx does return 1.6.2
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2473[19:40:37] <somiaj> that paste from your log upgraded a lot of packages to jessie-backports, you may want to go manually downagrade those
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2475[19:41:14] <nicofrand> somiaj I have to check every package with apt-cache policy to check if they are installed from backports or jessie ?
2476[19:41:22] <TomTomTo1> but didn't that yunohost package of yours depend on nginx-extras 1.9? why did we do this downgrading exercise?
2477[19:41:41] <nicofrand> TomTomTo1 nope, >= 1.6.2
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2481[19:42:18] <somiaj> nicofrand: I'm talking about the apt history.log you pasted in which the ngnix package was upgraded to the backports version. There is a whole list of other packages that were upgraded at that time, so use the log to identify the packages
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2484[19:42:43] <TomTomTo1> ah, excellent.
2485[19:43:08] <nicofrand> oh, "~bpo8" must mean it comes from the backports, I'll check then
2486[19:43:21] <nicofrand> TomTomTo1 but there were conflicts, hence the downgrade
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2511[19:55:32] <kexikq> anyone know why lsb_release shows stretch still after upgrading an install to sid?
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2522[20:00:09] <irc2000> are services activated by default then?
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2545[20:09:06] <somiaj> irc2000: yes
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2548[20:09:38] <somiaj> kexikq: packages are uploaded to unstable (sid) and then migrate to testing (stretch) after 10 days of having no rc bugs
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2550[20:09:56] <irc2000> seems like 'systemctl disable service' stops them as well. Is this a debian thing? Usually they don't stop when you disable them?
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2552[20:10:13] <kexikq> somiaj: I'm aware of that, but lsb_release should still display as unstable/sid after migrating
2553[20:10:25] <somiaj> kexikq: as such packages upgraded to sid contain the name of either testing/unstable or now with the freeze and the release comming have switched to 'stretch', so sid will look like stretch
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2556[20:11:09] <kexikq> somiaj: ah, so lsb_release on a sid system will display stretch until the end of the freeze?
2557[20:11:34] <somiaj> irc2000: that shouldn't stop them, that only disables them but they won't be started next boot
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2559[20:12:05] <somiaj> kexikq: I belive so, it kinda depends on what lsb_release is looking for, but as of now things it is looking for are going to be identified as stretch, and this also has an affect
2560[20:12:08] <somiaj> !slushy
2561[20:12:08] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
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2564[20:12:36] <kexikq> somiaj: gotcha, thanks for the info:)
2565[20:12:37] <somiaj> kexikq: new packges won't be uploaded to sid so sid can still be used for bugfixes for the release, as such lsb_release may not be able to tell the difference between sid and stretch until after the release.
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2578[20:19:34] <irc2000> apt-get update, that's what keeping the software up to dat?
2579[20:19:35] <irc2000> date
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2595[20:25:27] <nicofrand> irc2000 not really, that will check if there are updates. apt-get upgrade will keep the softs up to date
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2597[20:25:47] <nicofrand> (you need to first do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade)
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2602[20:27:49] <irc2000> How do you manage a debian server.. do you apt-get update and apt-get upgrade sometimes or do you never update?
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2605[20:28:46] <TomTomTo1> ,i unattended-upgrades
2606[20:28:47] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; Size: 51.7k; Installed: 355k
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2608[20:29:14] <TomTomTo1> this exists if you need it.
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2615[20:31:34] <irc2000> isn't that necessary to have? Even if you update the system, you might miss some important patch for a couple of hours or days
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2628[20:34:51] <irc2000> TomTomTo1: why wouldn't you need it? sounds essential
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2632[20:36:18] <TomTomTo1> it's your decision. sometimes people want to schedule their upgrades on their own.
2633[20:37:41] <irc2000> how often does debian get vulnerable because of some upstream software bug though?
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2654[20:50:26] <musca> !dsa
2655[20:50:27] <dpkg> [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see replaced-url
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2657[20:51:02] <musca> irc2000: you can (should?) subscribe to the list
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2663[20:53:25] <FirePowi> Thanks a lot, S\ynrG
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2668[20:55:16] <irc2000> musca: that require work :D
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2671[20:56:23] <somiaj> irc2000: replaced-url
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2674[20:58:36] <FirePowi> Hi there, error with steam (yep, again) at launch : ""Error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run: libGL.so.1"
2675[20:58:42] <FirePowi> (Does not start)
2676[20:58:56] <Robirt55> any advice on setting up a DHCP server for a second eth on a Debian box? This is LAN will have 2 servers, and VPN traffic ONLY. I am planning on following this guide for the DHCP server: replaced-url
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2679[20:59:16] <missmbob> !tell FirePowi about steam
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2682[20:59:22] <sacarde> hi
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2684[21:00:16] <sacarde> with iso *lxde-CD-1.iso may install base+X+lxde only with this cd?
2685[21:00:38] <missmbob> no. you can install anything with any
2686[21:00:58] <missmbob> assuming you have network connection
2687[21:00:59] <sacarde> sorry, I do not have network
2688[21:01:26] <missmbob> then obviously no. you can only install what the cd/dvd has. it's not magic
2689[21:01:47] <sacarde> with iso *lxde-CD-1.iso can I install base+X+lxde only with this cd?
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2691[21:01:59] <missmbob> pretty much
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2693[21:03:15] <sacarde> I asked for confirmation
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2699[21:04:26] <buu> But the internet is magic.
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2707[21:06:50] <FirePowi> Thanks missmbob : I had to install package "libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386" for my nvidia graphic card. ("libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386" for ATI/AMD).
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2716[21:11:24] <blastwave> is there a way to switch to the stretch powerpc expert installer in text mode during DVD install into a PowerPC system?
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2721[21:12:59] <Fakikas> hello
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2723[21:13:33] <taolan> having a weird issue with repos
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2742[21:19:11] <taolan> when I sudo apt-get update, I get this: W: replaced-url
2743[21:19:47] <taolan> W: replaced-url
2744[21:20:34] <taolan> fresh rc2 install, the installer not chown'ing all the files it needs?
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2746[21:21:36] <zykotick9> taolan: for better testing/stretch support you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network...
2747[21:22:54] <boubou> hey guys
2748[21:23:04] <boubou> anyone know the mocks proxy ?
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2750[21:23:16] <boubou> does it exists an aleternative to mocks ?
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2752[21:23:30] <boubou> mocks proxy seem unmaintened
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2758[21:25:11] <boubou> replaced-url
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2819[21:58:10] <ahmed751995> excuse me , i read on debian wiki (replaced-url
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2821[21:59:31] <zykotick9> ahmed751995: freeze does NOT mean release date! freeze means "no big changes, fix what is there" - basically
2822[22:00:32] <zykotick9> ahmed751995: debian releases do NOT follow a schedule, there is no DATE for release... it's when ftp-masters (i think???) decide to release.
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2824[22:01:34] <ahmed751995> zykotick9: thank you
2825[22:01:54] <somiaj> ahmed751995: replaced-url
2826[22:02:07] <somiaj> you can follow that, release requires rc-bugs all get dealt with.
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2833[22:03:31] <zykotick9> somiaj: ahhh... not true for wheezy (i'm not sure for jessie) but the rc-bugs > 0 when release happened
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2836[22:04:28] <somiaj> zykotick9: dealt with, and yes jessie had some at release but they were given exceptions
2837[22:04:40] <somiaj> most the rc bugs in jessie were found after the release
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2844[22:06:30] <zykotick9> somiaj: for a long time, i was under the false impression for a release to happen rc-bugs needed to be zero... i learned that it's not quite that simple (which i also understand).
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2847[22:07:15] <somiaj> yea, the idea is no rc-bugs, reality is different. But that graph is nice to look at because you can see the release happens as it is near 0, you can also see where the point releases hit
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2854[22:09:26] <ahmed751995> somiaj: thanks alot
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2861[22:11:06] <zykotick9> ahmed751995: <sidenote> replaced-url
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2868[22:15:46] <sosueme> I have a perl script that Im trying to get to execute outside of the path, my guess is to add the directorie to my $PATH but Im not 100% sure how to go about doing that, any help would be nice
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2871[22:17:47] <petemc> sosueme: what does it do?
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2873[22:18:48] <petemc> you can easily add a line to a perl script to ammend path
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2875[22:19:04] <sosueme> petemc, its perl script called dotdotpwn, I have it in my /usr/share/dotdotpwn path
2876[22:19:29] <sosueme> do you mean like #!/usr/bin/perl
2877[22:19:45] <petemc> how do you call the script?
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2879[22:19:55] <nkuttler> i think that was the question
2880[22:20:16] <sosueme> I chmod +x it and I can run it either by doing perl dotdotpwn.pl or ./dotdotpwn.pl
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2882[22:20:26] <sosueme> but when im outside the directory i cant run dotdotpwn
2883[22:20:31] <ahmed751995> zykotick9: thanks a lot :D
2884[22:20:41] <zykotick9> ;)
2885[22:20:58] <nkuttler> sosueme: PATH=$PATH:/path/to/dotdotpwn.pl
2886[22:21:11] <nkuttler> sosueme: put that in your bashrc
2887[22:21:16] <petemc> sosueme: /usr/share is not normal place for scripts
2888[22:21:20] <nkuttler> oh, without the file
2889[22:21:59] * zykotick9 notes, by default with bash on debian if you create ~/bin and logout/login it's automatically in your PATH
2890[22:22:05] <nkuttler> i wouldn't install any user scripts into /usr
2891[22:22:24] <nkuttler> /usr/share that is, /usr/local/ maybe
2892[22:22:33] <sosueme> the path is /etc/bash.bashrc right?
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2894[22:23:30] <petemc> why not put it somewhere already in your path ?
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2896[22:23:50] <sosueme> because I put all my scripts into my usr share folder :P
2897[22:23:58] <petemc> ..
2898[22:24:05] <sosueme> or into my documents folders
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2900[22:24:23] <somiaj> $HOME/bin is a good place for user stuff
2901[22:24:32] <petemc> so add that to your path
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2904[22:24:47] <petemc> and resolve yourself to being contrarian
2905[22:26:03] <nkuttler> petemc: it could easily be overwritten by an os file in /usr/share
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2908[22:26:14] <petemc> why are you telling me/
2909[22:26:15] <petemc> ?
2910[22:26:22] <nkuttler> you asked
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2912[22:26:26] <petemc> i did not
2913[22:26:45] <sosueme> alright well thanks for the help
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2915[22:27:03] <nkuttler> petemc: it's also not so great advice because of that
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2917[22:27:38] <petemc> i already said it's not normal
2918[22:27:52] <petemc> and contrarian
2919[22:28:00] <petemc> whats your point?
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2925[22:29:42] <ryouma> a while back, gkrellm said i was uploading 65K per second. but that did not show up on nethogs or iftop. also, nethogs was saying vlc was downloading and uploading some stuff (not that much), even though i was only using it to watch a local video.
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2927[22:30:16] <petemc> ryouma: if you can repeat it, take a packet capture with tcpdump / wireshark
2928[22:30:49] <ryouma> petemc: ok, thanks. just do "tcpdump>file"?
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2930[22:31:22] <petemc> i prefer to specify interface so i get ethernet info, tcpdump -i ethN -w foo.pcap
2931[22:31:29] <ryouma> great
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2934[22:32:16] <blastwave> is there a trivial way to disable ipv6 entirely ? It borks up my whole config here and just doesn't work no matter what
2935[22:33:06] <zykotick9> !tell blastwave about noipv6
2936[22:33:18] * blastwave screams
2937[22:33:38] <fnljk> try see one of these, for example?-> replaced-url
2938[22:34:59] <blastwave> okay .. now I need to find the bootloader here
2939[22:35:18] <fnljk> if possible, i guess may also wanna disable in your router or such.. to be double-sure? :d (I've anyway.. them long strings dang confusing n hard to recognize for me..fk ipv6 imo.. or am i missing something?=s
2940[22:35:20] <blastwave> I am watching "# apt-get update" hung for ten minutes now .. may wait for it
2941[22:35:52] <blastwave> nope .. apt-get update fails .. no powerpc repo to be found .. hrmmmpth
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2943[22:36:19] <fnljk> not sure this is related to "bootloader"; sry im total newb to Linux in general, but incase it is and may help.. ;) -> replaced-url
2944[22:36:24] <zykotick9> blastwave: if you use grub... modify /etc/default/grub then run "update-grub" to apply the changes.
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2946[22:36:44] <blastwave> zykotick9: thanks .. nope .. this is not an x86 machine
2947[22:36:52] <zykotick9> blastwave: oh shit... poewrpc. SORRY! ignore everything i've said.
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2950[22:37:16] <blastwave> zykotick9: just to make life interesting I have a dual cpu PowerMac G5 with awesome memory and processors in it so I recused it and installed stretch
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2952[22:37:35] <blastwave> yeah .. anything not x86 is a nightmare
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2954[22:37:51] <fnljk> try like this search on github simply, mayb, or..? => replaced-url
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2956[22:38:00] <likcoras> Hi, I have used debootstrap to install debian on a separate partition, and running update-grub on my main system says "Found Debian GNU/Linux (9.0) on /dev/mapper/rinvg-testing" and "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
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2958[22:38:37] <blastwave> here is a valid question .. is there a debian default master repo location ? One where actual architectures reside ?
2959[22:38:39] <likcoras> But when I reboot, it doesn't have an entry on the grub menu, and can't see it in /boot/grub/grub.cfg either.
2960[22:38:54] <likcoras> How would I add this entry to grub?
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2963[22:39:43] <petemc> blastwave: ftp.debian.org ?
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2965[22:39:54] * blastwave sees ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/
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2968[22:40:38] <petemc> the original one is probably wherever phil hands worked 25 years ago
2969[22:40:57] <petemc> sorry, not phil
2970[22:41:02] <petemc> ian
2971[22:41:14] * blastwave watches as ipv6 screws me again .. slowly ..
2972[22:41:34] <blastwave> yes .. mr Murdock
2973[22:41:56] <zykotick9> blastwave: have you looked into a powerpc channel on OFTC? 'cause i bet there is one...
2974[22:42:00] <fnljk> replaced-url
2975[22:42:06] * blastwave watches as his resolv.conf gets overwritten with ipv6 garbage .. again
2976[22:42:29] <blastwave> zykotick9: good idea ... I started here
2977[22:42:40] <blastwave> usually most people here .. have a solid clue
2978[22:42:44] <petemc> ipv6 is aready proving useful for people forced behind cgnat
2979[22:43:02] * blastwave raises a drink to them ... hates ipv6
2980[22:43:16] <petemc> lots of people resent change
2981[22:43:53] <fnljk> o..whats cgnat,if w/could bother to say simply..? ..is that all its proven good for this far--the rest not affected (?) by those benefits tho..?
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2983[22:44:02] <blastwave> this sort of garbage won't work on my internal network or with my ISP : fe80::214:51ff:fe64:6710
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2986[22:44:42] <inch> It's a link-local address and it's not supposed to used directly by user applications.
2987[22:44:43] <petemc> cgnat means the ip that appears to be yours is shared with other people, hence no dyndns port forwarding stuff possible
2988[22:44:54] <fnljk> tho I know little about it, and mainly use Windows boxes -- notyet been able to on nix ones,besides possibly when Ive come across the choice to somehow,somewhere specific-- have disabled it in network adapter settings everywhere (ipv6), and also in routers.. :d atleast doesnt seem to cause any bad so far, afaik..
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2990[22:45:27] <fnljk> oh.. sry still not sure i understand that,really..:\ (newb..:/ ) =)
2991[22:45:33] <censor> hi, i updated my box to stretch yesterday, and after getting pretty much everything back to work, the (so far) only thing that seems to be broken is solr-tomcat - i can't access the admin page
2992[22:45:39] * blastwave lets out a whimper and a small bit of tears
2993[22:45:45] <blastwave> this carp ---> Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-powerpc/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
2994[22:46:14] <blastwave> time to try ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
2995[22:47:12] <censor> solr says "Can't find resource 'solrconfig.xml' in classpath or '/var/lib/tomcat8/solr/./conf'", which is correct, because the file is in "/etc/solr/conf/solrconfig.xml"
2996[22:47:30] <censor> so it seems as if solr is getting the wrong home from tomcat8
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2998[22:47:49] <censor> both packages have been purged and reinstalled, so it's not a user-fsckup
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3002[22:49:26] <blastwave> pardon me folks .. going to head over to irc://irc.oftc.net:6667 and see if there is a powerpc type bunch of folks to help with this borked borked install ..
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3009[22:52:18] <fnljk> not sure what powerpc is really, but assuming it has iptables .. wouldn't it somehow be possible to simply make a "drop/reject all"-rule for any ipv6 packet/protocol..?
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3011[22:52:51] <petemc> it should be easily disabled by sysctl
3012[22:53:03] <zykotick9> fyi it appears the channel blastwave whould be looking for is #debianppc on oftc
3013[22:53:20] <fnljk> o..k.. cool then:assuming is actually pretty easy.. (whatever good ornot it may do as such:)
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3015[22:53:38] <petemc> that person wanted to talk
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3018[22:54:32] <sIRwa2> anyone using monit? i get 0% cpu usage.
3019[22:54:52] <petemc> ive used it, it logs failures
3020[22:56:10] <sIRwa2> well yhea. but it doesnt seem to poll the system right for cpu usage
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3023[22:56:40] <fnljk> i was considering this thingy btw.. not sure if any downsides to it (seems free and all even..however)-> my-netdata.io ..hm? seems nice yeah.?
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3025[22:57:01] <fnljk> btw, otherwise.. check this for some more potential system logger thingies.. replaced-url
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3027[22:57:48] <fnljk> (many awesome "awesome list"-lists of all kindsa stuff like that btw; surely numerous others independently compiled with additional/ or different sysmon. tools listed too :o)
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3033[23:01:54] <sIRwa2> thats a big list
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3036[23:02:42] <fnljk> hmh, just checking out that "Monit" (thru "apt show monit" just now; assuming is well compatible as listed among the official "apt" stuff..,seems very nice... I've been seeking something to possibly detect and prevent failure of OpenVPN connections (for client and/or server-side...), to avoid any conenction passing thru anywhere BUT a valid OpenVPN tunnel ever.. besides many other things,seems
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3042[23:04:00] <fnljk> .."monit" may be possibly also to do that aswell..? ..much else too anyway it seems...cool! ..otherwise, think such would somehow work reliably thru iptables even... hm; considering all kindsa potential leaks... (dns? other weird (complex) stuff...) - would wanna prevent connections at all unless openvpn can route it thru
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3046[23:07:09] <petemc> fnljk: dns leakage is a more a problem with proxies. if your routing is correct for a vpn it should be a problem
3047[23:07:30] <petemc> shouldnt
3048[23:09:38] <fnljk> o..k..hmh... btw if u'd know.. Ive prety much only ever used OpenVPN before, but know there are some options like "ipsec" and such.. with implementations/protocols (?) such as .. Strongswan/Openswan/Librewan (iirc..), and possibly others.. and something (if not any/all of those (Swan .. ) ones..hm..), any idea if.. while-afaik-supposedly harder to setup, may be a better choice --assumign eventu
3049[23:09:44] <fnljk> ..eventually figuring out how to..?
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3051[23:10:20] <petemc> all that punctuation makes your question hard to read
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3053[23:11:07] <fnljk> ..was pondering even switching ssl libraries for openvpn, or something.. anyway, with all these common bugs.. may be a less common one (polarssl..?); anything but the major stuff, or recently commonly exploited may be less of a worry potentially requiring active and continuous maintenance to keep secure..
3054[23:11:16] <fnljk> o.. sorry:x
3055[23:11:20] <petemc> np
3056[23:11:42] <petemc> i wouldnt get too bogged down thinking about that, use latest debian packages
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3058[23:12:00] <petemc> of course if you're interested keep at it
3059[23:12:16] <petemc> but it's a complicated subject
3060[23:13:26] <fnljk> yeah i guess.. hopefully will find a way to automate much of that later too. (Im total n00b to most of it really... may soon (Finally) take the step towards leaving Win behind for good though, and get standard Deb or such for my main desktop computer.. eventually suffer thru the initial learning curve to get more comfy, being such a noob currently :d Otherwise have pretty much just dealy with se
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3062[23:14:31] <fnljk> ..servers, almost only ever thru commandline too (and not (yet) read (m)any guides thorougly or in ful, either...) hopefully will remain motivated to do just thatsome time soon tho d
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3064[23:15:35] <fnljk> yeah..I think there are some way to auto-update, right.. besides trign to force it thru Cron (and hope it consistently goes without issue..),hmh... think so...iirc anyway. Critical security issues and occsiaonal checks would prolly be enough.
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3068[23:16:37] <fnljk> Still don't know much or anything about the..Selinux, gre .. , or.. whatever else the security policy-systems are named.. Seemed alot so fear its kinda complicated for me still.. :\ Not sure..
3069[23:18:11] <fnljk> would often install firewall (like "apf-firewall"), and set non-default port for all services with ports left open at least,disable root login, and do the small steps I do understand of the more-or-less basic "hardening guides" for stuff (mainly OpenVPN, or lately anyway..)
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3072[23:19:23] <missmbob> fnljk: do you have a debian question?
3073[23:19:36] <fnljk> Started reading Deb documentation and its security section.. quite large..:z Also keeps me distracted with the frequent links, or features I'd wanna lookup further stated there too so not as straight-forward reading either .. Really do hope to get a hardened and fairly secure setup of networking & data setup tho...
3074[23:19:42] <missmbob> pleease stop of the rambling
3075[23:19:43] <missmbob> !chat
3076[23:19:44] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3077[23:19:58] <fnljk> hm, yeah i guess.. many actually... but not sure I should bother ya with em, or here and now yet anyway..
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3080[23:20:18] <fnljk> mm, sry..guess i talk too much hmh.. sorry, will stop spammin ya.. l8rs1 Thx anyway!
3081[23:20:29] <exssaa> Hey quick question about /etc/init.d
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3085[23:20:47] <node8907> Hi all
3086[23:20:51] <node8907> Just a quick question.
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3088[23:21:16] <node8907> is virtualbox-guest-dkms not available on strech?
3089[23:21:22] <node8907> *stretch?
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3091[23:22:10] <exssaa> why doesnt replaced-url
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3094[23:22:49] <zykotick9> node8907: according to replaced-url
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3096[23:23:01] <missmbob> bug #794466
3097[23:23:02] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3099[23:24:01] <missmbob> they own repo is of good quality, though. i'm using it
3100[23:24:11] <missmbob> their*
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3102[23:24:28] <node8907> zykotick9, thanks for that
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3104[23:25:51] <node8907> zykotick9, would that also mean I cannot install the Guest Additions ISO? It dosen't seem to work anymore.
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3106[23:26:11] <zykotick9> node8907: _i_ have no idea! good luck.
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3108[23:26:18] <missmbob> their repo has it
3109[23:26:24] <fnljk> If I am to install Debian on a new box, either desktop one with GUI or minimal-/server-version (cmd-line) only--if that'd exist, would it be foolish to try the "experimental" kinda versions, though I'll ensure backup of most important... or likely a good thing then, if many possibly significant changes good to get used to asap anyway ?
3110[23:26:31] <node8907> zykotick9, thanks.
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3114[23:26:47] <zfe_> hi all
3115[23:27:47] <petemc> fnljk: if you dont mind things breaking then its not foolish
3116[23:28:43] <missmbob> fnljk: there are no desktop/server editions. there's just debian. what you decide to install making it what it is. experimental in debian means something very particular. yes, experimental would be foolish. testing not so much
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3118[23:28:46] <fnljk> IT's not that often though (prolly far from a daily occurence I mean) , or..? (I guess could happen, with some things anyway.. but unlikely?)
3119[23:29:01] <fnljk> missmbob: cool..that sounds nice/easier, then!=))
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3122[23:29:54] <missmbob> fnljk: oh testing will break. bet on it. just not horribly often.
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3124[23:30:12] <missmbob> fnljk: still you should start with stable until you feel comfortable
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3127[23:31:04] <fnljk> 8.7 out and considered stable aye? ..long till 9 is finally expected released, if any dates like that can be set? And also if would be much change to it..? Afraid I get used to alot, and then have much changed/taken away for later.. I don't know.. Hopefully something lke a "..--dist-upgrade" would do most the work of upgrading the box, hopefully without breaking much or adding lot more requiri
3128[23:31:56] <missmbob> fnljk: yes, 8 is jessie and it's stable. 9 stretch will be a month or two. when it's ready. yes, upgrading to stretch will be relatively painless
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3134[23:33:39] <fnljk> oooh.. a month or two,huh! ... Cool... may be best holding off installing any new ones until that is out then, or... don't think it will matter too much,really? ...kinda like a large (mass-)package upgrade,and possibly some other internal changes... but..nothing too noticable?
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3139[23:34:44] <missmbob> as far as just learning how to use/manage/configure the system not much will change. what you learn from jessie will carry over
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3141[23:35:13] <fnljk> Like Virtualbox, as stated above.. assuming it meant official support and passing of updates thru the official paths would end.. good thing I don't have a bunch of such VMs to migrate over, not sure wiould be hard, but.. Hopefully won't be the same for many other apps suddenly.. hm
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3143[23:36:03] <fnljk> cool.. atleast as the main basic commands and all remains, at least... that's what I'm hoping the most will remain as similar as possible.. not having wasted too much time with the man pages=] ..thx... !
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3156[23:39:39] <fnljk> I'd assume things like VirtualBox support/updates potentially being stopped in the next update would be the only reason people would still remain with older release-versions, right? Such as "wheezy"; at least some places seems to be thought stable still-despite presumed aging and outdated some ways.. or any other reasons to stick with old versions, or even downgrade for?
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3160[23:41:16] <fnljk> For many boxes, like ones I hope to have running as pure VPN-relays, simply stable reliable operations will be main concern, hopefully requiring as little maintenance as possible while maintaining security reasonably.. hopefully.hm..
3161[23:41:17] <missmbob> fnljk: i dont think that's a reason. oracle is offering their own repos and are of good quality. i'm using it. just add it to sources.list
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3164[23:43:05] <exssaa> why doesnt replaced-url
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3166[23:43:26] <fnljk> oo... k.. not sure what that'd mean, what they'd offer/add to that,and ups/downs of it.. Oracle, would they be giving out open-source free software (+updates), or proprietary enterprise stuff rather-- and possibly require inquiring with them for support/info then?
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3168[23:43:40] <missmbob> !tell exssaa about rc.local
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3171[23:44:04] <petemc> exssaa: you need to create symlinks to the rc? directories
3172[23:44:28] <missmbob> fnljk: oracle. makers of virtualbox. they offer a repo for virtualbox
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3174[23:44:45] <petemc> rc.local was supposed to stop working even before systemd was a glint in leonerds eye
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3176[23:44:58] <exssaa> whats the bestway to make a program start on boot than?
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3178[23:45:09] <petemc> what version of debiab?
3179[23:45:13] <petemc> debian
3180[23:45:25] <exssaa> just like generally
3181[23:45:29] <exssaa> but its wheezy
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3184[23:45:59] <petemc> what missmbob said
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3186[23:46:05] <fnljk> oh..k.. nice. Hopefully would ensure other bits of the OS, if irequired (vulnerabilities discovered in third-party apps otherwise not supported by official version either possibly) stay updated too, then, or would you be stuck only being sure about the integrity of Oracle-only stuff coming with that?
3187[23:46:31] <node8907> fnljk, I did not know this. Awesome.
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3192[23:47:27] <missmbob> fnljk: you use a lot of words. i dont know what the hell you just said. but i have to go get dinner. see ya
3193[23:47:29] <fnljk> hm? I don't know anything, raeally.. just asking,unsure and a newb myself raelly. Sorry if I talk alot..say again if bothersome n I'll stop..:d
3194[23:47:46] <fnljk> meh,sry.. n k, laters-thks anyway!:) Njoy dinner
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3203[23:50:09] <exssaa> i edited th
3204[23:50:11] <exssaa> e
3205[23:50:17] <exssaa> rc.local
3206[23:50:19] <exssaa> but replaced-url
3207[23:50:24] <exssaa> still doesnt start the program
3208[23:51:12] <fnljk> thought would use "systemctl" or suc , but may be Im confusing it with some other form of auto-starting apps..
3209[23:51:25] <missmbob> exssaa: read line 9. chmod +x the file
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3211[23:51:36] <missmbob> fnljk: that's on newer versions. not wheezy
3212[23:51:45] <fnljk> o..
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