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50 [00:21:58] <ships> hi all
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62 [00:28:19] <init7> hi ships
63 [00:28:48] <rqn> ships ahoy
64 [00:29:20] <sypher> yarr
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70 [00:31:55] <OS-25861> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY $IRC1997
71 [00:32:25] <raktajino> nice
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73 [00:32:37] <abff> slowclap
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76 [00:33:32] <n-iCe> lol
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79 [00:36:12] <SuperTramp83> :'(
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94 [00:46:22] <cromulent> I'm trying to install the nvidia
drivers and `apt-get install nvidia-settings` seems to be hanging
but cpu usage is low
95 [00:46:34] <cromulent> ps aux says dpkg is doing something
with a front end that I may not be able to see
96 [00:46:37] <cromulent> what can I do?
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98 [00:47:59] <n-iCe> reboot
99 [00:48:00] <n-iCe> try again
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101 [00:48:02] <n-iCe> :p
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103 [00:48:17] <n-iCe>
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104 [00:48:19] <n-iCe> and read that
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106 [00:48:55] <cromulent> reading that is how I got here
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110 [00:49:14] <cromulent> trying the same thing again is not a
good suggestion
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112 [00:49:38] <n-iCe> then, no idea.
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117 [00:53:35] <somiaj> cromulent: so sounds like dpkg is
configuring the package but something isn't working right?
118 [00:53:45] <somiaj> cromulent: what version of debian are you
running?
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124 [00:54:54] <cromulent> jessie, somiaj
125 [00:55:10] <cromulent> it's just sitting there with a
blank cursor and I can't stop it or even reboot
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128 [00:55:23] <cromulent> so if I hard power off I will boot to
a blank screen where I'll be right back where I started
129 [00:55:31] <cromulent> it's a brand new install
130 [00:55:44] <somiaj> cromulent: not mixing jessie-backports or
anything?
131 [00:55:56] <somiaj> are you doing this from inside a
graphical enviorment?
132 [00:56:16] <cromulent> there is no graphical environment -
that's what I meant by blank screen. X doesn't start
133 [00:56:36] <cromulent> so I switch to another terminal to try
and run apt-get install nvidia-settings. which just sits there and
does nothing
134 [00:56:43] <somiaj> so you are running these commands from a
normal linux console. I don't see why installing
nvidia-settings would have such issues
135 [00:56:51] <cromulent> me neither
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137 [00:57:35] <somiaj> you don't really need
nvidia-settings to use the non-free driver
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139 [00:57:38] <dTal> cromulent: so, clean install, no graphics
of any kind?
140 [00:57:59] <cromulent> dTal: I was able to get through the
regular install and I got into a GUI but it said I have the bad
drivers or whatever
141 [00:58:06] <cromulent> so I was trying to upgrade to nvidia
drivers
142 [00:58:06] <dTal> what does "blank cursor" mean?
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144 [00:58:13] <cromulent> blinking cursor
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146 [00:58:50] <dTal> and ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't get you a
login prompt
147 [00:58:55] <cromulent> it does
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149 [00:59:05] <cromulent> as I said that's how I was trying
to install the nvidia-settings
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151 [00:59:18] <dTal> sorry
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153 [01:00:09] <dTal> I always used to just download the official
binary installer from NVidia and sod the package manager
154 [01:00:31] <cromulent> I honestly don't care how I do
it. I just want a decent looking UI
155 [01:00:34] <tx> the binary driver is good when it works
156 [01:00:35] <tx> :P
157 [01:00:42] <tx> black screen of death is great.
158 [01:00:48] <dTal> broke whenever the kernel upgraded, but
rerunning the installer always fixed that :)
159 [01:01:29] <cromulent> how can I tell why I am just seeing a
blinking cursor instead of X
160 [01:01:42] <tx> switch to another tty and look at the logs
161 [01:01:48] <tx> ctrl + alt + fN
162 [01:02:00] <tx> if you can't do that
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164 [01:02:06] <tx> you may not be up to a stage where you can
access the system
165 [01:02:12] <tx> or maybe you're not even past the BIOS
166 [01:02:20] <dTal> they just said they got a login prompt
167 [01:02:33] <tx> "how can I tell why I am just seeing a
blinking cursor instead of X"\
168 [01:02:38] <tx> > just seeing a blinking cursor
169 [01:02:56] <dTal> 00:15 < dTal> and ctrl-alt-f1
doesn't get you a login prompt
170 [01:02:56] <dTal> 00:15 < cromulent> it does
171 [01:03:00] <cromulent> idk why I ask irc stuff lol
172 [01:03:05] <tx> oh lol my bad ;)
173 [01:03:16] <tx> cool, so log in and check out the logs?
174 [01:03:23] <tx> what happens if you try "startx"
from your user?
175 [01:03:36] <dTal> cromulent: want your money back? ;)
176 [01:03:48] <tx> how many btc of your time did we waste?
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178 [01:03:57] <cromulent> two people told me to check the logs
so far without even telling me which logs to check (which I guessed
myself)
179 [01:04:01] <abff> which logs do you think would be pertinent
in cromulent's situation, tx?
180 [01:04:05] <cromulent> not saying I want my money back maybe
just think it through a bit more
181 [01:04:56] <tx> Well well, su in so that you are the root
user.
182 [01:05:07] <tx> And check out the Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log
files.
183 [01:05:08] <tx> in /var/log
184 [01:05:25] <tx> Use an editor like vi or nano, or just
"head -n20" or so those files.
185 [01:05:38] <tx> er, tail rather, not head.
186 [01:06:17] <tx> Alternatively, you could try running X from
your user (exit su) using "startx"
187 [01:06:24] <tx> and the log output will go to your console
(stdout).
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219 [01:29:31] <Sark> OK, I got Jessie installed, and I still
can't get xrandr to see multiple video cards. I've tried
two more different cards, still no go.
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223 [01:30:02] <Sark> Also, I'm hitting the same X bug I did
previously. If I switch to another virtual console, I cannot switch
back to X.
224 [01:30:36] <Sark> Which is odd, since this is different
hardware entirely than the last time I installed Jessie.
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235 [01:33:55] <ChmEarl> Sark, do you have SLI enabled in bios?
236 [01:34:55] <Sark> SLI? What's that?
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238 [01:35:11] <tony__> see
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240 [01:35:47] <ChmEarl> Sark, somehow your system is combining
multiple cards into one
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242 [01:36:02] <somiaj> sli won't be an issue here as the
cards are different manufactures.
243 [01:36:09] <Sark> I don't see how that's possible.
Both cards are from different manufacturers and different decades.
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245 [01:36:18] <somiaj> if you have some sort of framebuffer
driver loading, these things can usually cause issues with console
switching and xorg.
246 [01:38:03] <Sark> I'm still fighting with trying to make
X see both my video cards at once. But even with only one working,
if I switch away from the X console when it's running, then I
can't switch back to it.
247 [01:38:11] <Sark> I can kill X and restart it though.
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251 [01:42:34] <insidious15> hey
252 [01:42:42] <insidious15> is libpcre2-8 in debian jessie?
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255 [01:47:24] <insidious15> it seems there is libpcre3 but not
2-8
256 [01:47:36] <insidious15> i'm trying to compile a program
that needs libpcre2-8
257 [01:47:40] <insidious15> does anyone know ho?
258 [01:48:12] <insidious15> how*
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265 [01:54:41] <somiaj> ,v libpcre2-8
266 [01:54:42] <judd> No package named 'libpcre2-8' was
found in amd64.
267 [01:55:02] <somiaj> ,v libpcre2-8-0
268 [01:55:17] <judd> Package: libpcre2-8-0 on amd64 -- sid:
10.22-2+b1; stretch: 10.22-2+b1
269 [01:55:54] <somiaj> insidious15: maybe backport it from
stretch? I don't know much about the libary but that is what I
found. One second though
270 [01:57:07] <abff>
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271 [01:57:09] <somiaj> ,v libc6
272 [01:57:10] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u11; jessie-security:
2.19-18+deb8u3; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u7; sid: 2.24-9; stretch: 2.24-9
273 [01:57:34] <somiaj> seems the libary only needs libc6 >=
2.14 as a depends, so it might be able to be installed from the
stretch package if you don't want to build your own.
274 [01:58:15] <somiaj> just a newer PCRE2 and that is the 8-bit
runtime libary.
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276 [01:58:44] <somiaj> also note seems the pcre2 > pcre3
(which was just pcre)
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279 [02:00:19] <insidious15> ahok cool
280 [02:00:24] <insidious15> thanks!
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291 [02:05:52] <ScHdone> when i want to install driver from ati
site fglrx is missing error show
292 [02:06:15] <bazhang> ScHdone, fglrx has been outdated for
ages
293 [02:06:26] <ScHdone> i have radeon hd 5500
294 [02:06:30] <ScHdone> so what should i do
295 [02:06:31] <ScHdone> ?
296 [02:06:36] <bazhang> ScHdone, I thought you were posting in
ubuntu channel
297 [02:06:48] <ScHdone> yea i do but no answers
298 [02:07:03] <bazhang> ScHdone, are you on ubuntu or debian
299 [02:07:07] <dax> #ubuntu is for Ubuntu. #debian is for
Debian. Not both.
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301 [02:07:27] <bazhang> fglrx wont get help anywhere
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304 [02:08:06] <ScHdone> i will be here
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307 [02:08:18] <ScHdone> so there is no way new distros can
recognise my video card
308 [02:08:24] <ScHdone> and resolution will be m,ax 1024x768
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310 [02:08:26] <ScHdone> >?
311 [02:09:02] <bazhang> ScHdone, with that ancient card?
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313 [02:09:09] <Papillon> well there's a framebuffer driver
which should be universal, there's an open source radeon driver
314 [02:09:15] <dax> an hd5500 should work on radeon with better
resolution than that
315 [02:09:20] <bazhang> ScHdone, no OS supports fglrx now
316 [02:09:28] <dax> install the firmware if you haven't
already
317 [02:10:02] <bazhang> ScHdone, even when it was supported
fglrx was not a good thing at all
318 [02:10:12] <Papillon> AMD Catalyst 14.9
319 [02:10:16] <Papillon> for hd5k
320 [02:10:25] <dax> AMD Catalyst is fglrx. fglrx is crap.
321 [02:11:12] <dax> ScHdone: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree
from the non-free repository installed?
322 [02:11:15] <dax> if not, I'd start there
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324 [02:12:05] <ScHdone> no i dont have
325 [02:13:02] <ScHdone> AMD Catalyst™ 15.9 Proprietary
Linux x86 Display Driver
326 [02:13:06] <ScHdone> u mean this
327 [02:13:10] <ScHdone>
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328 [02:13:11] <ScHdone> ?
329 [02:13:23] <dax> No, I mean the firmware-linux-nonfree
package in the debian non-free repository
330 [02:13:50] <Papillon> Support for AMD (nee ATI) graphics
hardware is provided by the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver wrapper
package
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332 [02:14:14] <dax> which picks another package as appropriate,
in this case -radeon, which we're already discussing
333 [02:14:29] <dax> dpkg: non-free sources
334 [02:14:29] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
335 [02:14:32] <dax> dpkg: firmware
336 [02:14:32] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic
devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux
kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace,
notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part
of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some
are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask
me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
replaced-url
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338 [02:14:44] <dax> should be enough to get started with
339 [02:15:51] <Papillon> yea, if you're using gnome, you
really have to use the radeon driver
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341 [02:16:35] <ScHdone> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that
the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«aptitude update».
>>>>>>>>>ok so i do that
342 [02:16:38] <ScHdone> and then what
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345 [02:16:49] <dax> install the package firmware-linux-nonfree
346 [02:16:52] <ScHdone> how do i get driver ....or where or what
command
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350 [02:17:02] <ScHdone> dax..what command?
351 [02:17:03] <dax> it's not a driver, it's firmware
for the radeon driver you already have
352 [02:17:12] <ScHdone> ok firmware
353 [02:17:14] <ScHdone> how?
354 [02:18:11] <dvs> ScHdone, apt-get update && apt-get
install firmware-linux-nonfree
355 [02:18:19] <ScHdone> i saying again....main problem is that
resolution is only 1024x768 max
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357 [02:18:41] <ScHdone> ok dvs
358 [02:18:44] <ScHdone> tnx
359 [02:18:57] <ScHdone> and after that is should be fixed?
360 [02:19:04] <ScHdone> or i need some more commands to enter
361 [02:19:10] <ScHdone> or find something
362 [02:19:13] <ScHdone> do down/
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364 [02:19:13] <ScHdone> ?
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368 [02:20:02] <Papillon> my advice would be to try to change
resolution after you install, if that doesn't work, try
rebooting
369 [02:20:05] <dvs> ScHdone, you're using the fglrx driver?
It won't make a difference with that.
370 [02:20:20] <ScHdone> no i dont
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372 [02:20:31] <ScHdone> i tried drivre from ati site
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376 [02:20:39] <ScHdone> and i get fglrx error
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378 [02:20:59] <ScHdone> or in best case i install driver but
then after restart xorg server faild to start
379 [02:21:02] <ScHdone> and bye bye
380 [02:21:27] <dvs> ScHdone, yeah, installing the
firmware-linux-nonfree package won't help with the fglrx
driver.
381 [02:22:45] <ScHdone> can you tell me what distro has support
so i maybe download some old ubuntu or mint or something
382 [02:22:55] <insidious15> somiaj: how would i go about
installing the backport package on debian jessie stable?
383 [02:22:55] <ScHdone> some old version that supports hd 5500
384 [02:22:56] <ScHdone> ?
385 [02:23:09] <insidious15> I'm looking for a doc link or
something
386 [02:23:10] <ScHdone> and is it smart..? bcz if i do update it
will come on same prob?
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389 [02:23:30] <somiaj> insidious15: there is no backport,
you'll want to create your own.
390 [02:23:33] <somiaj> !tell insidious15 about ssb
391 [02:23:44] <Papillon> I'm just guessing, you might want
to try removing the fglrx package while either leaving the radeon
package there or installing it
392 [02:23:55] <insidious15> ohok
393 [02:24:13] <somiaj> insidious15: the bot should have sent you
some basic instructions. Note in this special case, since the
depends are only libc6 (>= 2.14) you don't need to make a
backport, and you could just install the .deb directly from stretch.
This is usuaully not reocmmended unless you are positive the package
meets jessie depends
394 [02:24:19] <somiaj> insidious15: there is also no guarntee
this will work.
395 [02:24:29] <ScHdone> ok io go now to try this tips
396 [02:24:35] <ScHdone> tnx everybody
397 [02:24:35] <insidious15> ok haha
398 [02:24:36] <ScHdone> !
399 [02:24:36] <ScHdone> :)
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483 [03:41:33] <mohamed> Hi
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515 [04:10:37] <Sark> Hah. Well, that was rather a lot more work
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I now have dual monitors set up in X, with two different video
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535 [04:18:21] <dgriffi> is there a guide somewhere on switching
a Stretch system from systemd to sysvinit?
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554 [04:26:47] <irc2000> do you know what I hate them most except
zionist scum jews? nigger loving white trash
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556 [04:27:04] <irc2000> but nothing beats the mexican queer
LBTRQJDW+ fags
557 [04:27:19] <irc2000> cannada, go to hell
558 [04:27:27] <irc2000> white pieces of shits
559 [04:27:50] <irc2000> !ios
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577 [04:51:53] <AciD`> I'm always puzzled by people just
spewing random hatred in an irc chan. Are they expecting some people
to say : "ah yes, you're right, let's burn some
books!"? Their expectations and IQ remains a mystery to me..
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580 [04:52:47] <Papillon> the internet apparently has helped hate
groups spread
581 [04:53:01] <AciD`> @op here, please add the +r flag to this
chan
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583 [04:53:23] <aZz7eCh> on topic or take it elsewhere guys.
584 [04:56:52] <Sark> Well, I spoke too soon. I got everything
working the way I want it, but now X randomly just crashes.
585 [04:57:35] <Sark> Hard freeze, keyboard and mouse
unresponsive, I can check on a serial console and see that the
computer is still running fine, but X is listed as D in the process
listing
586 [04:57:51] <Sark> I can't kill it, and I can't
regain use of the graphic console.
587 [04:57:58] <Sark> I have to power cycle.
588 [04:58:14] <Sark> There is nothing in the Xorg log.
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591 [05:02:00] <Sark> ah, there is something in dmesg though
592 [05:03:03] <Sark>
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603 [05:13:42] <Sark> Yeah - this happens every time I launch X.
It crashes after a minute or two. And can't be recovered.
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672 [05:59:40] <laughingtiger> I just installed cinnamon desktop
on my laptop, but the desktop has no icon at all, and won't
show any installed program icon, is this the default behavior of
cinnamon? or only my problem?
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681 [06:03:49] <somiaj> laughingtiger: doens't it have a
menu bar at the top of the screen?
682 [06:03:59] <somiaj> or maybe the bottom
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689 [06:10:59] <laughingtiger> somiaj, sorry, didn't see
your reply, there's a task bar
690 [06:11:27] <somiaj> you might have to configure things to
show icons, seems they just aren't there by default.
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692 [06:13:40] <laughingtiger> yeah, I searched and searched and
found a way, to remove nautilus.
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694 [06:14:25] <mohamed> hi, i just installed linux
695 [06:14:52] <laughingtiger> somiaj, thank you.
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702 [06:17:41] <mohamed> is there little activity on freenode
703 [06:18:06] <Papillon> it depends on the time of day usually
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706 [06:18:41] <themill> Also, this is a support channel, so when
there are no bugs™ and our documentation is awesome®,
there's not much to discuss ;)
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724 [06:31:15] <Kali_Yuga> is this a support channel?
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726 [06:32:26] <Kali_Yuga> flup
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750 [06:46:30] <veek> how do i change the mime type for dolphin
that i added
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758 [06:51:55] <somiaj> veek: it might use xdg-open which can be
configured via xdg-mime I belive.
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766 [06:56:29] <veek> somiaj, gah! i frigging hate kde!
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768 [06:56:42] <veek> somiaj, or anything associated
769 [06:57:04] <veek> can't i get a list of mappings..
770 [06:57:23] <veek> basically i added it within dolphin by
right click icon
771 [06:57:42] <veek> 'Open with'->Other
772 [06:58:07] <somiaj> xdg isn't kde, it is the
freedesktop.org standards so things are compadible. doplhpin may
have its own gui front end to this, but I belive it uses xdg
standards
773 [06:58:25] <somiaj> you can't configure it by a right
click?
774 [06:58:47] <veek> nope! :( I can add a new mapping..
775 [06:59:01] <veek> basically wanted wine to run PDFXchange on
.pdf
776 [06:59:21] <somiaj> so what does xdg-mime query .pdf return
777 [06:59:34] <somiaj> one second
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779 [06:59:40] <veek> xdg-mime: unknown query type
'.pdf'
780 [07:00:05] <veek> i'm using olwm not kde etc
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782 [07:00:14] <veek> but i use kde apps like dolphin
783 [07:00:19] <somiaj> that shoudln't matter, this is
freedesktop standards
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785 [07:01:18] <somiaj> you can do this from the command line, I
just have to look up the syntax each time
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788 [07:02:44] <somiaj> veek: what does this output, xdg-mime
query default application/pdf
789 [07:03:21] <veek> zzah nothing
790 [07:03:42] <somiaj> so that is saying .pdf has no default, do
you know the .desktop file for the app you want?
791 [07:04:06] <veek> i didn't create an .desktop file
792 [07:04:22] <somiaj> it might be something like, xdg-mime
default PDFXchange.desktop application/pdf
793 [07:04:29] <veek> i just added wine .wine/blah/blah and when
i right click a pdf file it shows up
794 [07:04:59] <somiaj> if you installed that program from debian
it should come with one
795 [07:05:06] <somiaj> wine creates a lot of desktop files for
the apps it installs
796 [07:05:19] <veek> no dolphin added this - let me find
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798 [07:06:21] <veek> ah got it thanks
799 [07:06:38] <somiaj> hmm, dolphin may not use these, I was
hoping you could just use the xdg-mime tool directly instead of
dolphins interface
800 [07:07:53] <somiaj>
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801 [07:08:08] <somiaj> ahh I guess dolphin ignores some things,
that answer may help
802 [07:08:24] <veek> dolphinrc doesn't have it
803 [07:09:07] <somiaj> anyways, this is just how the xdg-mime
types work with desktop files, if you don't have all the kde
tools to configure them under kde settings you may have to manually
set them by editing text files or usign the xdg-mime and various
other tools.
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Openbox. If you like, please see and comment
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920 [08:28:16] <afidegnum> hi, i have tried to install debian on
my USB drive as a secondary OS to the original windows, but i set
the GRUB into the USB drive as well which is not detecting, how do i
load and correct the GRUB settings instead of reinstalling the whole
OS?
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933 [08:35:43] <somiaj> afidegnum: using efi or legacy boot?
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935 [08:35:56] <somiaj> !fixmbr
936 [08:35:56] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
937 [08:36:11] <afidegnum> my initial system is UEFI but secure
boot is off
938 [08:36:30] <Papillon> well secure boot is signed boot, boot
signed by microsoft
939 [08:36:42] <afidegnum> i disabled it
940 [08:36:44] <Papillon> though I think I remember a master key
being leaked maybe
941 [08:37:06] <somiaj> grub works different with efi than
legacy, if booting into efi you don't install the bootloader
into a drive like before, you put it in an efi parition. Did you
make an efi parittion on the usb drive you wish to boot from?
942 [08:37:20] <somiaj> Papillon: shoulnd't matter since it
is disabled, and the installer booted.
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944 [08:37:48] <afidegnum> no EFI partition, I have swap and ext4
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947 [08:38:36] <somiaj> so when using efi boot grub-efi will need
an efi partition.
948 [08:39:08] <somiaj> Also for a usb drive, live images with
some sort of persistance is sometimes better than an install due to
bus speeds of usb2, though usb3 may not be to bad, I ahven't
seen a review, just normally I dont' suggest usb installs.
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952 [08:40:05] <afidegnum> yes, it took 7 hours to install a
250MB installation
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955 [08:42:04] <afidegnum> how do i list my available disks?
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958 [08:42:28] <afidegnum> i m currently on ash terminal
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961 [08:44:24] <somiaj> blkid
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999 [09:04:08] <Faceman> Hi! I've installed Debian without
WM and after I've installed Fluxbox & I3 for trying…
Someone know where is a file for config icon cursor for mouse? or if
someone know the name of program for edit it (something like gtk
theme, etc…)
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1002 [09:05:10] <Papillon> you might try asking in ##linux
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1033 [09:24:55] <__raven__> hi
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1036 [09:26:17] <__raven__> i am trying to install debian 8.7.1
i386 on an "amd athlon 2500+". after boot dialog screen
gets black followed by kernel panik. how to solve? caused by any
legacy cuts?
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1049 [09:32:06] <Faceman> Hi @__raven__ I'm not so sure but I
had some problem with your version of Debian… I suggest you
to take another version
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1068 [09:41:27] <choice> Good Morning! While updating, my boot
partition (500mb) got 100% full and the update failed. What is all
that crap in the boot partition?
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1071 [09:44:02] <kqr> is there a good general solution to specify
DNS statically and manually regardless of what DHCP tells me?
1072 [09:44:10] <TimurTheLame> choice, don't know of a
solution, but you could check out what files take how much space
with the "ncdu" tool. ncdu /boot
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1074 [09:44:30] <choice> TimurTheLame: Yeah, there is a bunch of
stuff in there.
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1080 [09:45:03] <TimurTheLame> choice,
replaced-url
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1085 [09:46:07] <choice> I will just delete some old
"initrd.img-..." files in /boot/ and hope for the best...
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1087 [09:46:36] <TimurTheLame> choice, OLD ones. Be careful!
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1089 [09:47:07] <choice> TimurTheLame: For example there is
"initrd.img-4.4.0-21-generic" from 2017-02-11
1090 [09:47:10] <choice> Takes up 12M
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1092 [09:47:29] <TimurTheLame> choice, no, that's probably
needed
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1094 [09:47:42] <TimurTheLame> choice, what are you using? Stable,
testing or sid?
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1096 [09:48:12] <choice> I have a bunch of partitions on the
machine. Debian 8 is one of them.
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1101 [09:48:39] <choice> Right now I booted into Mint .. I
don't know which version.
1102 [09:48:50] <TimurTheLame> choice, damn
1103 [09:48:55] <kqr> (from what I can tell, network-manager only
lets you configure static DNS addresses per-connection, not globally
for the machine)
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1107 [09:49:37] <TimurTheLame> choice, then don't delete
anything that you're not sure of
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1109 [09:49:47] <Raven737> Hi, question, I have a Atom based mini
PC. It has a watchdog setting in the bios. If i enable it, it will
reset after the time given. I want to use the watchdog but in debian
/dev/watchdog does not show up. Why? Do i need to load a specific
module? Which one is good for an intel atom based system? How can i
find out what i might have?
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1111 [09:50:36] <TimurTheLame> choice, if I were you, I'd
check if there are some old kernel versions installed and uninstall
them, but do this only via the package manager (apt)
1112 [09:51:46] <choice> TimurTheLame: I tried "apt-get
autoremove" but it fails with "No space left on
device"
1113 [09:51:51] <Raven737> I tried to add nmi_watchdog to the boot
args and i see an non 0 nmi interrupt. Still no /dev/watchdog. Does
the kernel need support for a hardware watchdog? How can i check if
it has it?
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1115 [09:53:07] <TimurTheLame> choice, oh man, you're heavily
out of space, then
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1117 [09:53:19] <choice> TimurTheLame: Well, /boot/ is 100% full.
1118 [09:54:05] <kqr> hm. so, to recap: if I want static DNS
settings on my machine and I also want to use network-manager, do I
have to somehow make network-manager and the resolvconf program play
nicely together?
1119 [09:54:51] <TimurTheLame> choice, can you paste a
"df"?
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1121 [09:55:23] <themill> kqr: resolvconf gives you
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
1122 [09:55:37] <choice> TimurTheLame: No, I never paste specific
data to the net.
1123 [09:55:38] <TimurTheLame> choice, * df -h
1124 [09:55:40] <choice> Can I safely remove all the
initrd...old-dkms files?
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1126 [09:55:51] <TimurTheLame> choice, the .old-dkms files, yeah
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1128 [09:56:09] <TimurTheLame> choice, just be careful to not
remove the ones without the "old-dkms" part
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1135 [10:01:46] <kqr> themill, but is there a way to automatically
run resolvconf whenever network-manager connects me to a new
network?
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1137 [10:02:09] <choice> TimurTheLame: I removed all the ...old..
ones and now apt-get autoremove worked.
1138 [10:02:18] <themill> kqr: are these networks using dhcp?
1139 [10:02:36] <kqr> themill, mostly, but not exclusively
1140 [10:02:50] <TimurTheLame> choice, good to know
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1142 [10:03:10] <bezaban> kqr: what is your goal? :)
1143 [10:03:26] <bezaban> oh. backlog :)
1144 [10:03:48] * bezaban avoids the resolvconf package
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1149 [10:04:43] <themill> kqr: I think it does so, can't
recll
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1154 [10:05:33] <kqr> bezaban, well, the greater picture is that I
use my laptop on networks I do not trust at all, so I'd like to
encrypt all dns queries at all times. i plan on doing this by having
a local dns cache, dnscrypt-proxy and then use an opennic dns server
for recursive lookups
1155 [10:05:39] <Lope> I've got a SSH connection command
inside a file /tmp/connect.sh. I'm logged into a sudo shell. I
type `su -lc 'bash /tmp/connect.sh' bob` I get an error
saying: ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or
directory. Permission denied (publickey). Sessions still open, not
unmounting. But if I type `su bob` then `bash /tmp/connect.sh` it
works?
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1157 [10:06:21] <themill> kqr: ah, in that case, unbound and
dnssec-trigger are better option
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1159 [10:07:00] <bezaban> kqr: right, somewhat similar to what
I've been doing with TSIG authenticated DNS. Note that you may
encounter problems on networks with captive portals that do not let
you access the internet for DNS until you authenticate.
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1161 [10:07:27] <themill> (dnssec-trigger helps you deal with the
captive portal nonsense too)
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1163 [10:07:49] <kqr> themill, which does not prevent logging all
my dns queries by the network owner, if I understand correctly
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1165 [10:08:01] <themill> you can configure unbound
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1168 [10:09:20] <bezaban> but how does dnscrypt-proxy work, does
it listen locally for dns request? In which case you could just set
a static dns server to localhost, but will have problem with above
mentioned networks
1169 [10:09:57] <kqr> bezaban, yes. it listens locally for
requests, encrypts them and sends them to dnscrypt-enabled servers
which are able to decrypt them... I guess. I'm a bit fuzzy on
the details actually
1170 [10:10:24] <bezaban> not entirely sure how to set default
settings in network manager, so you can prevent getting dns from
dhcp. Should also be possible to do in dhcp client config or by
making resolv.conf unwriteable
1171 [10:10:29] <kqr> i have no idea if it's possible to MITM
the initial key exchange or something
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1173 [10:10:56] <kqr> bezaban, preventing network manager from
dealing with DNS is just a line in the network manager conf, so
that's the easy part hehe
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1175 [10:11:24] <bezaban> right. so remove resolvconf package, set
dns in resolv.conf, profit.
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1179 [10:12:05] <kqr> yeah I guess should work
1180 [10:12:15] <kqr> and then I might use unbound for caching, as
themill suggested
1181 [10:12:22] <bezaban> except for captive portal networks :/
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1183 [10:13:20] <kqr> well, yes
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1185 [10:13:30] <kqr> I'll have to keep that in mind, so
I'm happy you warned me about it
1186 [10:13:47] <bezaban> kqr: been a major annoyance, so happy to
save you some frustration :)
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1190 [10:14:20] <bezaban> so much hassle that I'm probably
just moving to an openvpn network
1191 [10:14:29] <bezaban> with trusted resolvers on it
1192 [10:14:37] <kqr> hm
1193 [10:14:45] <kqr> could you explain what that means?
1194 [10:14:57] <kqr> I'm surprisingly oblivious about
anything that contains the letters "vpn"
1195 [10:15:14] <Raven737> hi... anybody know how i can check
hardware watchdog support? or general information like what my
chipset / mainboard is?
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1197 [10:15:24] <bezaban> you vpn to a server of your choice so
you get an encrypted tunnel out, then you can use dns servers
you've made available inside the vpn
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1199 [10:16:10] <bezaban> either open resolvers restricted to the
vpn(etwork) or resolvers configured to work from your public vpn
addresses
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1201 [10:17:21] <xormor> the Finnish Social Democrat
"Abdirahim "HUSU" Hussein" wants Finnish
companies to go to East Africa to collect their garbage, junk and
trash. his origins are in Africa. he knows Finnish culture and the
Finnish language.
1202 [10:17:29] <bezaban> that does require you have somewhere (a
server) to run openvpn with sufficient bandwidth
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1204 [10:18:10] <bezaban> kqr: added bonus of encrypting all
traffic, as opposed to only dns
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1207 [10:18:59] <embrik> Can anyone hjelp me with wireless? Wicd
reports No Wireless Network Found - I've installed driver for
intel 4965. Debian Jessie. The computer is a HP 6910p
1208 [10:19:14] <bezaban> (well, not everything everywhere, but at
least encrypted from the view of the local network)
1209 [10:19:24] <Papillon> you can do lspci to check if the
card's detected
1210 [10:19:33] <Papillon> then do lsmod to check if the card
driver module is loaded
1211 [10:20:22] <embrik> Papillon: detected and loaded
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1214 [10:20:57] <jelly> embrik: make sure firmware-iwlwifi package
from non-free section is installed
1215 [10:21:13] <jelly> !iwlwifi
1216 [10:21:13] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports
several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N,
Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me
about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi
package to provide. Supported devices are listed at
replaced-url
1217 [10:21:16] <Papillon> well, sorry, don't really know
what else to do. Maybe check ifconfig or whatever?
1218 [10:21:29] <embrik> jelly: How do I find out
1219 [10:21:35] <kqr> bezaban, yeah, that is something I should
eventually look into
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1225 [10:25:30] <jelly> embrik: run "dpkg -l
firmware-iwlwifi", does the last line of the output have an
"i" as second character? If not, it's not installed
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1228 [10:28:29] <embrik> jelly: It does, there are two ii
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1240 [10:35:10] <cnnx> someone told me proxmox is debian based but
when i type apt-cache search proxmox i dont see it
1241 [10:35:38] <embrik> jelly: I run iwconfig and get: lo no
wireless extensions wlan1 IEEE 802,11abgn .......
1242 [10:35:55] <cnnx> embrik: did you type ifconfig -a to see if
its there?
1243 [10:36:08] <jelly> embrik: I've no idea how to proceed
further, just wanted to see if it was the most obvious thing
1244 [10:36:40] <embrik> jelly: ok
1245 [10:36:43] <jer0me> cnnx: it's the other way round,
proxmox is a debian based distro.
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1247 [10:37:04] <cnnx> jer0me: but i was told you can install it
on debian
1248 [10:37:11] <cnnx> is it just not part of the repos?
1249 [10:37:27] <jer0me> cnnx: then check #proxmox maybe
1250 [10:37:32] <cnnx> ok
1251 [10:37:41] <cnnx> wanna to help embrik
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1253 [10:37:45] <cnnx> wanted
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1255 [10:37:56] <cnnx> embrik: ifconfig <iface> <ip>
up
1256 [10:38:08] <cnnx> embrik: unless you need a module in your
kernel
1257 [10:38:17] <embrik> cnnx: can't find wireless interface
1258 [10:38:28] <cnnx> embrik: which card is it
1259 [10:38:34] <embrik> intel 4965
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1261 [10:38:38] <cnnx> do you see the module listed in lsmod?
1262 [10:38:50] <embrik> yes
1263 [10:39:08] <cnnx> whats the module name
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1266 [10:39:36] <embrik> iwlegacy?
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1268 [10:40:00] <cnnx> and do you see something in ifconfig -a
1269 [10:40:02] <cnnx> starting with wlp?
1270 [10:40:02] <embrik> The right or the left name?
1271 [10:40:39] <embrik> lsmod |grep wlp doesn't show
anything
1272 [10:41:04] <cnnx> embrik: did you apt-get install
firmware-iwlwifi ?
1273 [10:41:08] <embrik> ifconfig -a : wlan1
1274 [10:41:16] <embrik> cnnx: yes
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1276 [10:41:41] <cnnx> are you on jessie or wheezy?
1277 [10:41:48] <embrik> jessie
1278 [10:42:12] <cnnx> you added the contrib non-free repos?
1279 [10:42:17] <embrik> yes
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1281 [10:42:33] <cnnx> embrik: ok you said ifconfig -a : wlan1
1282 [10:42:36] <cnnx> so it shows wlan1?
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1289 [10:47:51] <embrik> cnnx: Yes
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1291 [10:48:03] <cnnx> embrik: whats your local subnet?
192.168.1.0/24?
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1294 [10:48:42] <embrik> cnnx: haven't got any
1295 [10:48:56] <embrik> I get Ip from a local server on work - I
am at work
1296 [10:49:10] <cnnx> embrik: do you know what their internal lan
subnet is?
1297 [10:49:17] <cnnx> what do the first three digits start with
1298 [10:49:19] <cnnx> x.x.x
1299 [10:49:34] <embrik> 10.53.8
1300 [10:49:36] <cnnx> ok
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1303 [10:49:54] <cnnx> so try "ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8x
up" x=an ip you know is not taken
1304 [10:49:59] <cnnx> sorry
1305 [10:50:04] <cnnx> ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8.x up
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1307 [10:51:00] <embrik> cnnx: unknown host,
1308 [10:51:08] <cnnx> what did you type ?
1309 [10:51:38] <embrik> ifconfig wlan1 10.53.8.x up
1310 [10:51:49] <cnnx> embrik: the x has to be replaced with a
number
1311 [10:51:52] <cnnx> a unique ip
1312 [10:52:08] <cnnx> a digit between 0 and 254
1313 [10:52:10] <embrik> my ip-adresse on eth0 is 10.53.8.174
1314 [10:52:15] <cnnx> ok
1315 [10:52:18] <cnnx> dont use that one
1316 [10:52:21] <cnnx> use another one
1317 [10:52:26] <cnnx> they can't be the same
1318 [10:52:37] <embrik> cnnx: but then I have to find a not taken
addresse? Or i will kick others out?
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1320 [10:52:44] <cnnx> right
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1322 [10:52:50] <cnnx> you can scan your network if you're
not sure
1323 [10:52:52] <cnnx> with nmap
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1325 [10:53:02] <cnnx> nmap -sN 10.53.8.0/24
1326 [10:53:10] <cnnx> or just ask your sysadmin
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1328 [10:54:00] <embrik> ok - the wlan has got 10.53.8.81
1329 [10:54:01] <Lope> I found a workaround, nvm :)
1330 [10:54:09] <embrik> wlan1
1331 [10:54:23] <cnnx> is now when you type ifconfig
1332 [10:54:27] <cnnx> do you see wlan1 ?
1333 [10:54:50] <embrik> yes
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1335 [10:55:20] <cnnx> ok. so if your goal is to use just wlan1,
you can type ifconfig eth0 down and then route add default gw
<gateway ip>
1336 [10:55:28] <cnnx> but be carefull you'll be disconnected
form irc
1337 [10:55:29] <cnnx> from irc
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1340 [10:56:23] <embrik> cnnx: Nice, but you see. I am setting
this computer up for a friend of mine. He needs to use a
networkmanager
1341 [10:56:39] <cnnx> ok, do you use the gui?
1342 [10:56:54] <embrik> I use wicd
1343 [10:57:01] <mzs114> Lope: share that, this will help us to
help others, though I did not read about your issue, other would
have
1344 [10:57:04] <cnnx> ok haven't used that in a while..
1345 [10:57:12] <cnnx> but should be pretty easy to setup
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1347 [10:57:32] <embrik> cnnx: It doesn't report any wireless
networks
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1349 [10:57:50] <cnnx> embrik: what does /etc/init.d/wcid status
say?
1350 [10:58:31] <embrik> cnnx: alot
1351 [10:59:14] <cnnx> embrik: does it say running?
1352 [10:59:23] <embrik> cnnx: yes
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1354 [11:00:02] <embrik> I have to set this up to work out of the
box with dhcp
1355 [11:00:18] <cnnx> embrik: i can't help you further cause
i have similar problems on my gentoo system, i got everything to
work on the command line with scripts but my network manager gui
doesn't want to cooperate
1356 [11:00:55] <embrik> OK - cnnx . Thanks for spending your time
on me - appreciate it
1357 [11:01:03] <cnnx> embrik: no problem
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1366 [11:03:36] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
1367 [11:03:36] <SanchoPensa> i am ahving a very odd phenomenon
here: lsof -i says, i have minidlnad installed, which i never
installed, so no idea, from where it comes. Debian wiki says, it tis
a media stremaing server, like for videos, mp3 and such. lsof -i
further says, that it is connected to an IP address of
239.255.255.250:1900 and according to whois.ripe.net it is assigned
to IETF. what the heck is this doing, and why?
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1374 [11:06:42] <TimurTheLame> SanchoPensa, most faithful and just
squire of mine, it is obvious that the wizard with which I do
constant battle has decided to play tricks upon thee as well by way
of this minidland package.
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1376 [11:07:24] <SanchoPensa> TimurTheLame: dude, that is indeed a
pretty lame answer..
1377 [11:07:37] <TimurTheLame> SanchoPensa, couldn't help it
:D
1378 [11:07:51] <SanchoPensa> :D
1379 [11:07:52] <TimurTheLame> Don Quixote's one of my
favourite books
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1381 [11:08:32] <jelly> SanchoPensa: that address is in multicast
segment. Look at your apt/aptitude logs to see if something else you
installed pulled this piece of software in as as dependency
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1383 [11:09:05] <jelly> ,i minidlna
1384 [11:09:06] <judd> Package minidlna (net, optional) in
jessie/amd64: lightweight DLNA/UPnP-AV server targeted at embedded
systems. Version: 1.1.2+dfsg-1.1+b3; Size: 133.5k; Installed: 322k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
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1386 [11:09:40] <SanchoPensa> jelly: thanks, and gimme a sec, pls
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1390 [11:11:36] <jer0me> SanchoPensa: maybe it's just a
dependency to something you installed, such as kipi-plugins
1391 [11:11:56] <SanchoPensa> judd: thanks
1392 [11:12:11] <SanchoPensa> jer0me: mhm, so said jelly
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1394 [11:12:47] <jelly> SanchoPensa: "aptitude why
minidlna"
1395 [11:12:56] <SanchoPensa> jelly: doens't seem to be
contained within apt-logs
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1397 [11:13:44] <SanchoPensa> jelly: that is one heck of a
command, i didn't know it yet, so thanks for it!
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1399 [11:14:07] <SanchoPensa> jer0me: yes, kipi-plugins it is! so
what the heck are kipi- plugins? :D
1400 [11:14:18] <themill> ,i kipi-plugins
1401 [11:14:19] <judd> Package kipi-plugins (graphics, optional)
in jessie/amd64: image manipulation/handling plugins for KIPI aware
programs. Version: 4:4.4.0-1.1; Size: 4477.7k; Installed: 17522k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
1402 [11:14:49] <jer0me> don't know. apt-cache rdepends
minidlna just listed this package
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1404 [11:15:09] <SanchoPensa> KDE4 it is...
1405 [11:15:17] <SanchoPensa> thank you very much, gentlemen! :)
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1412 [11:19:09] <jer0me> "Obviously," replied Don
Quijote, "you don't know much about adventures.”
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1441 [11:29:19] <SanchoPensa> jer0me: if only you knew... :)
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1466 [11:44:11] <rgr> It strikes me that having to run mysql as
system root in order to add users etc is pretty dumb. It's like
needing root to add a printer.
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1468 [11:44:41] <centrx> mysql is pretty dumb too
1469 [11:44:49] <Papillon> that is weird
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1472 [11:46:00] <rgr> it's a new "security
measure". Nothing wrong with mysql in the main. But this is
silly. Im sure there are bigger reasons for it but its horrible.
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1487 [11:50:19] <sypher> rgr: Do you mean logging in as
MySQL's root user, or the actual system root user?
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1492 [11:54:28] <vlt> rgr: I cannot confirm that you need to run
mysql as system root in order to add users.
1493 [11:54:51] <sypher> rgr: Same. I'm able to do so by
logging in as MySQL's admin user via my normal user.
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1595 [12:52:24] <ranas> hello people!!!
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1617 [13:04:38] <dpkg> hello, centrx
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1641 [13:16:18] <d3xter> hey guys! how can i display a virtual
keyboard like florence on top of fullscreen firefox in openbox/lxde?
it seems like florence is just a normal window to openbox and is
displayed below firefox
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1658 [13:23:39] <meldron> hi there, i am trying to set
/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend to -1 and i am using a
/etc/modprobe.d/ config file to set the options, but if I check
/sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend after reboot it returns 2
again. Help would be great! thanks!
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1679 [13:33:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
1680 [13:33:39] <doubledutch> Hail BluesKaj
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1682 [13:33:43] <doubledutch> !hello
1683 [13:33:43] <dpkg> Hi, doubledutch!
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1686 [13:34:10] <BluesKaj> Hey doubledutch
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1702 [13:42:08] <tdn> I have an HP MicroServer n40l that seems to
reboot periodically without warning. I run Debian GNU/Linux 8 on it.
There is nothing in the logs. How do I even approach debugging this?
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1704 [13:43:08] <jelly> tdn: configure iLO and look at IML and iLO
logs
1705 [13:44:40] <tdn> jelly, not sure how to configure iLO. I do
not think there is iLO on the microserver.
1706 [13:44:50] <tdn> jelly, is that not a proliant only thing?
1707 [13:45:34] <jelly> read the specs, many microservers have it
1708 [13:46:31] <tdn> jelly, it would require a separete ethernet
port, right? There is only one ethernet port on the server
1709 [13:46:51] <colo-work> tdn, try loading the
"ipmi_devintf" kernel module. does that make /dev/ipmi*
show up?
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1711 [13:47:07] <colo-work> a separate phys. interface is not
strictly required for IPMI LAN connectivity
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1716 [13:48:04] <jelly> tdn: that's better but not the only
option. It can share the same port as first onboard ethernet.
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1719 [13:48:23] <tdn> colo-work, loaded module. Nothing named
/dev/ipmi*
1720 [13:48:35] <jelly> tdn:
replaced-url
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1722 [13:49:00] <colo-work> jelly, afair, there's an add-on
card you can buy
1723 [13:49:04] <colo-work> that provides IPMI support
1724 [13:49:07] <colo-work> for that specific model
1725 [13:49:12] <Hyp3ri0n> what is the package name of Geany
Plugins
1726 [13:49:19] <tdn> jelly, thanks. That looks like he bought an
extra card
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1728 [13:49:33] <colo-work> Hyp3ri0n, apt-cache search
geany-plugin-
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1730 [13:49:38] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
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1822 [14:42:09] <snape> I'm looking for a program that would
spawn a small http server delivering a file/directory upon request.
1823 [14:42:26] <snape> woof does exactly that, but it is outdated
on debian
1824 [14:42:54] <netzverweigerer> snape: python -mSimpleHTTPServer
?
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1832 [14:45:56] <snape> netzverweigerer: thanks, it does the job.
Although not as well as woof.
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1834 [14:46:43] <snape> woof serves only the file I want to serve.
With python, I would need a few extra manipulations:
1835 [14:46:51] <snape> put the file in an empty directory
1836 [14:47:05] <Chrismeister> I run the following commands
between two directly connected computers:
1837 [14:47:09] <Chrismeister> ssh-keygen
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1839 [14:47:16] <Chrismeister> ssh-copy-id
1840 [14:47:26] <Chrismeister> The key is added still the server
reports
1841 [14:47:26] <snape> and close the http server once download is
done
1842 [14:47:32] <Chrismeister>
replaced-url
1843 [14:47:36] <Chrismeister> whoops
1844 [14:47:51] <Chrismeister> sign_and_send_pubkey: signing
failed
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1846 [14:48:16] <Chrismeister> I have made a couple of new keys
and a couple of ssh-copy-id
1847 [14:48:23] <Chrismeister> because of testing'
1848 [14:48:36] <Chrismeister> the first key worked fine, but
after that all issues began
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1858 [14:51:20] <Chrismeister> Solved, I had to perform a ssh-add
1859 [14:51:29] <Chrismeister> on the SSH client
1860 [14:51:53] <sypher> !enter
1861 [14:51:53] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
1862 [14:52:16] <Chrismeister> Whoops, I will think about that!
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1866 [14:54:34] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: No problem. The
"makes it difficult to follow" part becomes especially
apparent when the channel here is busy.
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1871 [14:57:24] <Chrismeister> petn-randall: I fully understand
that. My question was not very well structured either. Probably
better to clean it up before posting.
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1875 [14:59:14] <petn-randall> Chrismeister: We're all here
to learn. :)
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1882 [15:00:32] <Guest18702> hello
1883 [15:00:33] <snape> and woof allows people to send files to
the web server (via a form), which python alone does not.
1884 [15:00:47] <Guest18702> i am new to linux
1885 [15:00:59] <Guest18702> can anyone tell me about multiple ssh
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1890 [15:01:48] <petn-randall> Guest18702: What is that supposed
to be?
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1892 [15:02:15] <missmbob> GNU Parallel
1893 [15:02:25] <Guest18702> i want to connect to more than one
terminal remotely
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1895 [15:02:41] <Guest18702> i am connecting to single pc remotely
using ssh
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1897 [15:02:59] <Guest18702> but i dont know how to connect to
multiple pcs
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1899 [15:03:51] <snape> Guest18702: won't 'ssh
<pc2>' work?
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1901 [15:04:05] <Guest18702> i dont kknow wath it mean
1902 [15:04:22] <sypher> !tell Guest18702 about enter
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1906 [15:05:35] <snape> you probably did "ssh <the address
to PC 1>" to connect to your first PC, or something like
that. What don't you do the same for the other PC? Or maybe I
did not understand the question.
1907 [15:05:46] <snape> s/What/Why
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1909 [15:06:24] <Guest18702> i want to connect to both pcs at the
same time
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1911 [15:06:28] <peixoto> hello there
1912 [15:06:29] <peixoto> tell me, do you know of burning program
that has the option "multisessions"
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1915 [15:07:12] <snape> Guest18702: you can have two different ssh
sessions in two different terminals.
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1918 [15:07:55] <Guest18702> but if i want to access both in one
terminal what should i do
1919 [15:08:19] <Guest18702> for example if i type init 0 then
both pcs should turn off
1920 [15:08:42] <snape> Oh I see. You could use tmux, and the
synchronize-panes option
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1922 [15:09:51] <Guest18702> ok
1923 [15:09:57] <mzs114> Guest18702: I think terminator supports
similar option, I have not used it, check it out
1924 [15:10:07] <Guest18702> ok i will
1925 [15:10:13] <die7> is there any m/monit alternative?
1926 [15:10:15] <snape> tmux is a terminal multiplexer. That way
you will have two virtual terminals in the same terminal. And with
that option you can synchronize panes, so that every command you
type will be synced in the virtual terminals you wish.
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1931 [15:11:25] <petn-randall> Guest18702: clusterssh would also
work to type commands into to ssh sessions at the same time.
1932 [15:11:29] <mzs114> die7:
replaced-url
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1934 [15:11:56] <die7> mzs114: tnx!
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1938 [15:12:51] <Guest18702> i will use that
1939 [15:12:54] <Guest18702> thanks
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2036 [16:00:18] <jhutchins> peixoto: What do you actually want to
do?
2037 [16:00:48] <jhutchins> peixoto: Tell us your goal, not what
you think the solution is.
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2051 [16:06:29] <peixoto> jhutchins, it's okay, i used k3b,
it worked
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2056 [16:07:37] <peixoto> jhutchins, i wanted to burn a mp3 on a
disc, use it on my autoradio, then, add another mp3 to the cd, etc,
etc. do a multisession data burning disc. i tried with xfburn and
brasero but i didn't find the option... k3b had this. thank
you. ;)
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2062 [16:12:02] <jhutchins> pierrot: Ok, wasn't sure what you
meant by multi-session, I understand now.
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2204 [17:18:44] <galex-713> Hi
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2206 [17:19:09] <galex-713> I'm doing a Jessie install with
the xfce live system from a usb stick and the install process says
the mirror is corrupted
2207 [17:19:26] <galex-713> in fact I just checked the mirror and
it seems the structure of directories has changes
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2209 [17:20:05] <galex-713> and the install process says
“mirror does not support the specified release
(jessie)”, yet debian.org says the current stable is jessie
2210 [17:20:09] <galex-713> any idea?
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2213 [17:21:22] <littebird> is in VM?
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2218 [17:22:39] <petn-randall> galex-713: We recommend using the
network installer, not the live image. The latter is a lot less
tested and may contain bugs.
2219 [17:22:50] <missmbob> s/may/does
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2222 [17:23:41] <galex-713> ah ok
2223 [17:23:50] <galex-713> even when there’s a poor
connection?
2224 [17:24:02] <littebird> what is u installing
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2226 [17:24:16] <galex-713> also I like to test how each DE works
on old computers before installing
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2228 [17:25:24] <petn-randall> galex-713: If you have a poor
connection you can download the DVD image(s) where you have a good
connection. That'll reduce a lot of the download size during
installation.
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2230 [17:25:53] <galex-713> yeah but isn’t the live system
just a dvd image with the possibility of running the live system?
2231 [17:26:09] <petn-randall> no
2232 [17:26:23] <missmbob> a lot of hacks are done to the live to
make it work. which is why things are broken. like efi support
2233 [17:26:29] <petn-randall> the Debian live DVD and the DVD
installer are completely different projects.
2234 [17:26:30] <galex-713> Also, I directly chosed the
“Installer” option on my live system image, so I’m
using the same installer of the dvd imae
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2236 [17:26:56] <missmbob> it's not the same
2237 [17:28:03] <galex-713> petn-randall, but is the difference
about the whole iso image or just about the “Live”
entries at the isolinux boot menu?
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2239 [17:28:51] <stoned> Hello I'm alive
2240 [17:28:56] <petn-randall> galex-713: the whole image
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2242 [17:29:34] <stoned> I have this: /dev/sdb7 as swap, size
7812092 used 294356 and I want to disable this swap without
rebooting
2243 [17:29:36] <galex-713> ok
2244 [17:29:37] <stoned> Do you know how?
2245 [17:29:40] <petn-randall> galex-713: So the
"Installer" option in the live DVD has bugs that the
"Install" option on the installation DVD doesn't
have.
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2247 [17:30:07] <TimurTheLame> stoned, swapoff /dev/sdb7
2248 [17:30:11] <stoned> I setted up the /swap file on ssd and now
I want to turn off
2249 [17:30:13] <stoned> it won't turn off.
2250 [17:30:13] <stoned> :)
2251 [17:30:18] <stoned> it hangs there, maybe I di di twrong
2252 [17:30:22] <stoned> but I used the same command line as you
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2254 [17:30:25] <petn-randall> !enter
2255 [17:30:25] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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2257 [17:30:51] <TimurTheLame> stoned, if it hangs, it means that
it's transferring the swapped information back to the RAM
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2259 [17:31:02] <stoned> I see.
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2261 [17:31:20] <stoned> What happens if yo uwant to get rid of
all swap data
2262 [17:31:28] <stoned> I don't want back to memory maybe?
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2264 [17:32:03] <galex-713> stoned, would break the system
2265 [17:32:11] <galex-713> stoned, important data may be in swap
2266 [17:32:18] <stoned> Interesting to see.
2267 [17:32:26] <stoned> What data would be important in swap?
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2269 [17:32:37] <stoned> do kernel pages out to swap too or remain
in memory?
2270 [17:32:44] <galex-713> anything in ram is essential to the
system running, like, what program is running, and doing what, how,
why, etc.
2271 [17:32:46] <stoned> importnat stuff shoudl always be in
memory, no? neve rpage out?
2272 [17:32:54] <galex-713> so that would like removing random
stuff from memory
2273 [17:32:57] <JuPaname> Bonjour tout le monde
2274 [17:32:58] <stoned> hmm
2275 [17:33:00] <stoned> okay
2276 [17:33:11] <stoned> Jon bon jovi to you too
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2278 [17:33:34] <galex-713> in my mind the smart way to manage
swap would not to put unimportant stuff in it but stuff that
don’t need to be accessed very quickly
2279 [17:33:53] <stoned> Well, I am poor, with only 8 GB ram
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2281 [17:34:10] <stoned> I used 4GB of RAM to compress it and used
as a compressed block device in ram to page to
2282 [17:34:11] <bin_bash> galex-713: how would you determine what
went into swap and what didnt
2283 [17:34:13] <stoned> using ZFS
2284 [17:34:15] <stoned> I mean not zfs.
2285 [17:34:21] <stoned> zram
2286 [17:34:26] <tewlewps> hello. im wondering if anyone knows how
i can find the potential status/update of packages to be released?
specifically irssi 0.8.17 -> 0.8.20
2287 [17:34:27] <galex-713> petn-randall, anyway, since my install
process took an hour (or more) should I really try again the whole
installation with the network installer to get any support or is
there another way to debug this?
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2289 [17:34:28] <TimurTheLame> stoned, you privileged bastard; I
have 4GB RAM
2290 [17:34:38] <somiaj> ,v irssi
2291 [17:34:39] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports:
0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie:
0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1;
sid: 1.0.2-1
2292 [17:34:40] <stoned> So I have 4gb of uncompressed ram, I have
4gb of ZRAM devices, 2GB each.
2293 [17:35:05] <galex-713> bin_bash, I don’t know any
high-level way to do that, since the kernel manages this
2294 [17:35:08] <stoned> Now, out of the 4GB remaaining, when the
swapoff xfers the data back into ram, I assume it will go into the
uncompressed ram?
2295 [17:35:09] <somiaj> tewlewps: jessie is frozen and will stick
with 0.8.17 + security updates, if you want a newer version you can
get 1.0.2 from jessie-backports
2296 [17:35:18] <galex-713> so it’s kernel stuff,
don’t even know if there’s a utility for that
2297 [17:35:22] <stoned> And then when that fills up it goes into
the zram device?
2298 [17:35:36] <stoned> wait, that raises the question of who
zram works. when it pages out to zram.
2299 [17:35:37] <galex-713> petn-randall, so do I abort?
2300 [17:35:39] <tewlewps> somiaj: ok thx i'll look into that
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2303 [17:36:32] <stoned>
replaced-url
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2307 [17:36:56] <stoned> It pages to compressed ram device first,
then out to disk if that gets full, so when I xfer back from swap to
ram, it goes into zram and has to be compressed
2308 [17:37:03] <stoned> mabye thta's why it hangs more
2309 [17:37:03] <stoned> ?
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2311 [17:37:55] <galex-713> stoned, maybe it makes it more long,
anyway transferring swap to ram is slow because swap is always more
slow than ram since everything except registers is more slow than
ram (including hds and ssds)
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2315 [17:39:12] <stoned> ok, it is off now. Took a while, long
while.
2316 [17:39:14] <stoned> Thanks, then.
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2318 [17:39:54] <stoned> But anyone who wants to knwo what I did
to my debian:
replaced-url
2319 [17:40:05] <stoned> Squeeze all the life juice from this old
machine.
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2322 [17:40:22] <johnkeates> I'd Jessie it at least, Squeeze
is old now
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2324 [17:40:36] <stoned> haha, you know what I mean. :D Good pun.
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2327 [17:40:51] <johnkeates> ;-)
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2329 [17:41:06] <TimurTheLame> stoned, err... do you know about
vm.swappiness? :P
2330 [17:41:06] <galex-713> ok, I abort anyway
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2332 [17:41:16] <stoned> yes, I set him to like 20 or something
2333 [17:41:19] <stoned> I can't remember.
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2337 [17:42:32] <TimurTheLame> stoned, I have 4GB and rarely swap
with swappiness of 10
2338 [17:42:34] <stoned> nope 60
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2340 [17:42:42] <stoned> /proc/sys/vm/swappiness 60
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2343 [17:42:51] <TimurTheLame> stoned, set it to 10 and be set
free :)
2344 [17:42:59] <stoned> why so low?
2345 [17:43:08] <stoned> shouldn't somethings page out?
2346 [17:43:09] <stoned> I dunno.
2347 [17:43:14] <petn-randall> stoned: Your own web page is the
first hit because you're in a google bubble. There's no
blog link on my first search page.
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2350 [17:44:02] <stoned> Yeah probably.
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2353 [17:44:23] <stoned>
replaced-url
2354 [17:44:32] <TimurTheLame> stoned, you're probably not
using all of your RAM when you start swapping
2355 [17:44:34] <stoned> "stoned zram" brings my article
as the first one for debian stuffs
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2357 [17:44:47] <TimurTheLame> stoned, because you have such a
high swappiness
2358 [17:45:04] <TimurTheLame> stoned, try a value of 10 for a
while and see if it makes a difference. It did in my case. :)
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2360 [17:45:22] <stoned> TimurTheLame: I can try it at 10. I
don't mind. It's jsut that what happens, is chrome takes
ram, and then when I'm around like 90% usage, it pages like
crazy and system hangs until it pages out
2361 [17:45:30] <stoned> Now it might be different since I move
swap to ssd
2362 [17:45:51] <stoned> So when it needs to swap out, it does ALL
at once.
2363 [17:45:59] <stoned> That can be annoying too. If you set
value too low, you konw
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2365 [17:46:21] <stoned> TimurTheLame: do you understand the
problem of setting too low?
2366 [17:46:40] <stoned> bulk swapping is annoyingly slow and kind
of freezes the whole system for a while.
2367 [17:46:48] <TimurTheLame> stoned, yeah, but I rarely swap
2368 [17:46:58] <stoned> oh 4gb? What are you using?
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2370 [17:47:01] <han-solo> I like the google chrome rage comics :}
2371 [17:47:05] <stoned> I only mostly use cli apps and one google
chrome stuff
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2375 [17:47:55] <TimurTheLame> stoned, I use google chrome, too.
Running awesomewm as well.
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2378 [17:48:10] <stoned> xmonad here
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2381 [17:48:48] <TimurTheLame> stoned, and you end up swapping
with chrome alone?
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2383 [17:49:30] <TimurTheLame> stoned, I swap only when I either
compile in Android Studio or running a VM alongside browsing and
whatnot
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2387 [17:50:10] <TimurTheLame> But, eh, I tweaked Android Studio
for low memory usage as well...
2388 [17:50:10] <stoned> How many tabs?extentions?
2389 [17:50:14] <stoned> I have maybe too many.
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2394 [17:51:23] <ghenry_work> howdy. Are there any tools I can can
read the docs for that can add some white noise to wipe bits of a
phone conversation out? Audacity? I'm looking to script it.
2395 [17:51:33] <TimurTheLame> stoned, I rarely have more than 5
tabs opened at the same time in my browsers :D
2396 [17:51:40] <TimurTheLame> stoned, and ~7 extensions
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2399 [17:52:10] <TimurTheLame> gtg
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2408 [17:56:36] <rgr> is compiling apache2 from source
straightforward even for debian?
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2411 [17:56:39] <galex-713> ok super strange the install process
fuck up my usb stick :o
2412 [17:56:44] <galex-713> just reformated it
2413 [17:56:48] <galex-713> retrying with netinst
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2423 [17:58:39] <rgr> what do you mean "with netinst"?
netinst goes on a usb stick doesnt it?
2424 [17:58:49] <missmbob> you dont format. iso hass its own fs
2425 [17:58:59] <missmbob> how did you copy it to usb?
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2427 [17:59:36] <rgr> simply cat isofile.iso > /dev/sdd for
example
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2429 [18:00:11] <nereplaced-url
2430 [18:01:12] <galex-713> petn-randall, ok you seemed to be
right, restarting install with netinst seems to work better
2431 [18:01:44] <galex-713> nereplaced-url
2432 [18:01:47] <galex-713> dunno
2433 [18:02:04] <galex-713> firefox features includes many
extensions useful for security/privacy
2434 [18:02:44] <galex-713> normally you’re just better with
firefox than any other current browser, but otherwise any free
software browser not owned by a commercial conglomerate like google
seems to be cool
2435 [18:02:55] <nereplaced-url
2436 [18:03:02] <galex-713> so anything but chromium is cool:
midori, epiphany/gnome-replaced-url
2437 [18:03:08] <han-solo> i vote lynx
2438 [18:03:10] <han-solo> :}
2439 [18:03:12] <galex-713> lol
2440 [18:03:19] <dTal> lynx is bloated, I vote retawq
2441 [18:03:20] <n4dir> there is also uzbl and surf. And a few
more, like dillo
2442 [18:03:25] <han-solo> i still use lynx :}
2443 [18:03:29] <galex-713> the only currently decent web engine
that’s not mozilla’s is webkit
2444 [18:03:39] <galex-713> (also blink, let’s say
it’s webkit-unstable)
2445 [18:03:40] <nereplaced-url
2446 [18:03:53] <n4dir> but in the end you don't have that
much options when it comes to browser (either they lack
functionality, or you stick to firefox or chromium)
2447 [18:03:59] <petn-randall> galex-713: What do you use to
prepare the usb image? You shouldn't be using rufus or
unetbootin for that.
2448 [18:04:01] <galex-713> han-solo, I used to prefer w3m and
emacs’ w3 :p
2449 [18:04:07] <galex-713> petn-randall, dd
2450 [18:04:11] <han-solo> :}
2451 [18:04:14] <petn-randall> galex-713: Ok, good.
2452 [18:04:17] <galex-713> I get the iso from debian.org and dump
it with dd
2453 [18:04:22] <galex-713> on /dev/sdb
2454 [18:04:25] <n4dir> netsurf is good if you don't want to
visit so called modern websites
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2456 [18:04:44] <galex-713> never understood why not /dev/sdb1 but
it’s working anyway so… (does the iso contain a
partition table?)
2457 [18:04:46] <n4dir> but so are any of the smaller ones
2458 [18:04:49] <han-solo> Just use mozilla, and call it a day
2459 [18:04:52] <galex-713> “modern websites” xD
2460 [18:04:58] <missmbob> galex-713: yes
2461 [18:05:04] <galex-713> “works better with Google
Chrome” websites too then :p
2462 [18:05:11] <galex-713> missmbob, about the partition table?
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2465 [18:05:19] <missmbob> galex-713: yes. and fs
2466 [18:05:23] <galex-713> ok
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2468 [18:05:53] <galex-713> so it’s like so that at once you
dump the first partition and the stuff that replace MBR on both USBs
and DVDs and CDs (is it MBR?)?
2469 [18:05:57] <Sark> So, I spent most of yesterday trying to get
multiple monitors working on my computer. And I finally did succeed.
Got both monitors going, X on both, perfect, just the way I want it.
But then X crashes horribly after a couple of minutes. Nothing in
the Xorg log, but this in dmesg after a bit -
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2471 [18:06:26] <Sark> Any ideas? I'm kidn of stumped at this
point. I even swapped out the second video card with another one,
got THAT one working, and had the same problem.
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2473 [18:06:36] <Sark> Either video card works fine on it's
own.
2474 [18:06:45] <n4dir> konqueor might be an option when it comes
to web-browsing. been quite a bit that i used it though
2475 [18:06:48] <missmbob> galex-713: yes. thus the hybrid name
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2477 [18:07:00] <galex-713> missmbob, so is it MBR?
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2479 [18:07:20] <missmbob> galex-713: yes
2480 [18:07:43] <galex-713> so when you boot CD/DVDs it’s
just MBR+Squashfs?
2481 [18:08:45] <galex-713> n4dir, is KHTML still exchanging code
with webkit or is it dying?
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2483 [18:09:28] <galex-713> missmbob, wait no is squashfs only for
live systems?
2484 [18:09:38] <galex-713> otherwise what is used for normal
installers?
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2488 [18:11:00] <n4dir> galex-713: i got no idea.
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2490 [18:11:20] <n4dir> i gave up on searching for an alternative
and stick to firefox
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2492 [18:11:28] <galex-713> ah, you too
2493 [18:11:41] <n4dir> yeah, you waste so much time, but in the
end ...
2494 [18:11:41] <galex-713> one day the reign of gecko and webkit
will end…
2495 [18:11:44] <galex-713> maybe servo?
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2497 [18:11:50] <galex-713> seems cool, except I don’t like
rust
2498 [18:12:01] <galex-713> seems an hipster thing
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2500 [18:12:32] <n4dir> well: the only thing that bugs me is that
the web-browser uses 3 times as much RAM as all the rest, including
OS and all
2501 [18:13:21] <galex-713> the web is horrible anyway
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2503 [18:13:41] <n4dir> ha, just wanted to say it.
2504 [18:13:51] <galex-713> I’m wondering one day someone
takes the good ideas of TeX to make something more semantic and
dynamic that could efficiently replace the web
2505 [18:14:09] <galex-713> also not client-server
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2507 [18:14:56] <galex-713> using a lot of ram is not a problem
per se, but using a lot of ram for no reasonable reason *plus*
nearly all CPU is not acceptable
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2510 [18:15:22] <n4dir> it slows down my PC, so for me it is a
problem.
2511 [18:15:44] <galex-713> because it makes your stuff swap?
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2514 [18:16:19] <n4dir> dunno. suddenly the webbrowser or the
whole desktop freezes, or slows down. I pkill firefox and start it
again
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2517 [18:17:07] <n4dir> don't think i have ever seen swap
being used, besides on some stoneage "laptops" with less
than 512 of RAM
2518 [18:17:21] <galex-713> I mean, if it was widely accepted that
“web” is at the same time a heavy substitute for GUI
libs like GTK or Qt (while these are already heavy) and a substitute
for using, sharing and displaying any type of document…
that’s nearly an OS
2519 [18:17:22] <n4dir> not that i would check all the time ...
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2521 [18:17:37] <galex-713> swap is useful to hibernate at least
:)
2522 [18:17:55] <n4dir> oh, i heard so. but i don't do it
2523 [18:18:08] <galex-713> (if in an LUKS encrypted LVM volume,
otherwise leaks your stuff)
2524 [18:18:21] <jastrahm> Does any know why upgrading from jessie
to stretch would cause me to only be able to startx with sudo
2525 [18:18:23] <n4dir> i think i would like a web which only
includes html and css ....
2526 [18:19:05] <galex-713> jastrahm, no sorry, keep asking
2527 [18:19:20] <galex-713> n4dir, js would be cool if only
client-side and not only js
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2529 [18:19:35] <galex-713> (like if we could have free-software
stable extensions made in C, python, lisp, etc.)
2530 [18:19:39] <n4dir> jastrahm: what happens if you run startx
as a user? What are the error messages?
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2534 [18:20:34] <galex-713> but “systematically and
everywhere automatically downloading on-demand software from anyway
without checking anything and letting it taking all input and
controlling all UI” is the worst idea ever
2535 [18:20:40] <n4dir> there was a problem when using startx if
you don't use systemd, iirc. So if you don't use it, tell
that too
2536 [18:20:49] <jastrahm> something about 86 opl drivers i think?
something like that, I would need to reboot into the other hardrive
and email the log to myself, then boot back into this
2537 [18:20:52] <galex-713> especially when it can use network
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2540 [18:21:14] <jastrahm> is systemd installed by default?
2541 [18:21:22] <galex-713> no
2542 [18:21:24] <galex-713> *now yes
2543 [18:21:26] <n4dir> no need to email, use pastebinit or such
2544 [18:21:29] <galex-713> except you ask otherwise
2545 [18:21:34] <n4dir> jastrahm ^^
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2547 [18:22:05] <jastrahm> "except you ask otherwise" ?
2548 [18:22:13] <n4dir> jastrahm: yeah, if you didn't do
anything, you use systemd (my info is old anyway, only trying to get
the head into it)
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2550 [18:22:38] <galex-713> jastrahm, you can uninstall systemd
and replace it with initd in debian iirc
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2552 [18:22:55] <jastrahm> i definitley did not do that on purpose
2553 [18:22:57] <FinalX> apt-get install sysvinit-core; reboot;
apt-get remove systemd
2554 [18:23:05] <n4dir> okay, so that sure isn't part of the
problem
2555 [18:23:06] <FinalX> but not all init scripts are working
properly imo
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2557 [18:23:18] <jastrahm> so i would assume I'm using
systemd
2558 [18:23:27] <galex-713> because many people disliked this
/forced/ init changing stuff so probably ”you can still have
initd as a config option” were used as an argument to support
systemd as default
2559 [18:23:43] <jastrahm> someone on #rice said it could have to
do with drivers?
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2561 [18:24:02] <galex-713> since anyway linux pushes systemd very
hard and if you don’t make something default it ends with bugs
that only experimented users know how to deal with
2562 [18:24:10] <n4dir> wouldn't explain why you can startx
as root/sudo, but what do i know?
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2565 [18:24:33] <galex-713> that’s quite strange :/
2566 [18:24:57] <jastrahm> I have no idea mate, I think im just
gonna upgrade this distribution and hope on weechat in the login
screen
2567 [18:25:19] <galex-713> upgrade is always the good options,
except when beyond stable
2568 [18:25:31] <galex-713> s/upgrade is always/stable is always/
2569 [18:25:36] <galex-713> *option
2570 [18:25:56] <`Kevin> without an actual error entry I dont
think any assumptions can be made as to what is going to work
2571 [18:26:06] <n4dir> ^^ that
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2574 [18:26:46] <jastrahm> well ill upgrade this, get the error
report startx with sudo pastebin it, limk in weechat.
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2577 [18:27:03] <galex-713> jastrahm, what’s your version?
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2579 [18:27:16] <jastrahm> of debian? jessie
2580 [18:27:33] <jastrahm> I want to get to stretch so I can
install i3-gaps
2581 [18:27:42] <jastrahm> i keep running into problems
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2583 [18:27:53] <galex-713> what’s i3-gaps? :o
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2585 [18:28:12] <galex-713> all these software constantly missing
in stable :/
2586 [18:28:19] <galex-713> if only there were more DD to add
stuff to backports
2587 [18:28:40] <jastrahm> i3 gaps is fork of i3 with gap support
and apparently more features
2588 [18:28:49] <galex-713> what is gap support?
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2590 [18:28:59] <galex-713> I’m using testing and
can’t find this package
2591 [18:29:13] <jastrahm> gaps between tiled windows
2592 [18:29:22] <jastrahm> and windows and desktop borders
2593 [18:29:22] <galex-713> default i3 already seems nice to me
2594 [18:29:28] <galex-713> what’s the purpose of gaps?
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2597 [18:29:44] <jastrahm> no functional purpose.
2598 [18:29:52] <jastrahm> just feels less claustrophobic
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2600 [18:30:41] <galex-713> waste space
2601 [18:30:51] <galex-713> what the point of a tiling wm the
2602 [18:30:54] <galex-713> *then
2603 [18:31:09] <jastrahm> keyboard driven
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2605 [18:31:18] <jastrahm> automatically arranging windows
2606 [18:31:18] <dax> different people have different aesthetic
tastes, and I'm unsure that discussing the differences between
them is entirely on-topic for #debian :)
2607 [18:31:25] <Sargun> How can I speed up apt update?
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2609 [18:31:50] <galex-713> why not just adding better keybinding
support to already existing wm then
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2613 [18:32:22] <galex-713> WMs that already can automatically
arrange windows, like kwin or mutter, etc.
2614 [18:32:32] <galex-713> or marco
2615 [18:32:36] <galex-713> or dunno
2616 [18:32:44] <jastrahm> should we keep talking about this?
2617 [18:32:46] <galex-713> dax, oh yeah you’r right
2618 [18:32:52] <galex-713> *you’re
2619 [18:33:10] <n4dir> !best
2620 [18:33:10] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean
by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin!
Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play!
Anyone for Tennis!
2621 [18:33:12] <n4dir> :-)
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2626 [18:34:23] <jastrahm> if a upgrade goes wrong is there any
recourse?
2627 [18:35:03] <n4dir> no.
2628 [18:35:09] <n4dir> well: a backup
2629 [18:35:10] <missmbob> jastrahm: to stretch?
2630 [18:35:20] <jastrahm> yes
2631 [18:35:25] <missmbob> jastrahm: #debian-next on oftc is a
good resource. they know better
2632 [18:35:34] <jastrahm> and a backup?
2633 [18:35:44] <missmbob> of course backup
2634 [18:35:58] <jastrahm> like just dropbox some important config
files?
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2638 [18:36:34] <missmbob> depends on your need. personal use
/home should be fine. server you have to worry about /etc, /var,
etc, etc
2639 [18:37:30] <n4dir> if you got a backup of the complete OS
before the upgrade, you can go back to that stage. That is what i
meant
2640 [18:38:06] <n4dir> but you can't do it by the
packagemanagement tools
2641 [18:38:46] <jastrahm> how would i do that n4dir?
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2643 [18:38:59] <jastrahm> you have a link explaing the process?
2644 [18:39:13] <n4dir> let me look.
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2646 [18:39:39] <jastrahm> thanks mate.
2647 [18:39:53] <n4dir>
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2648 [18:40:25] <jastrahm> thank you, im checking it out now
2649 [18:40:46] <galex-713> I wonder back the times where people
didn’t used to use entire terabytes of data for common usage,
when regular and multiple backups weren’t a financial
problem…
2650 [18:40:57] <n4dir> when you rsync back, you probably have to
reinstall grub and do a bit more, but in general it is straight
forward with rsync
2651 [18:41:27] <n4dir> galex-713: they also didn't have that
much of data to be backed up back then ...
2652 [18:41:40] <galex-713> that’s what I was meaning
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2654 [18:42:15] <galex-713> because of bond effect, when people
get more space they get used to that kind of quantity of space
2655 [18:42:34] <n4dir> ah, got you. sure
2656 [18:42:39] <jastrahm> im gonna check in a bit, thanks again
guys.
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2658 [18:43:14] <galex-713> not a bad thing but… data
management (including downloading, sharing and backup) is poorly
automated nodaways I find…
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2666 [18:44:59] <galex-713> ahhhh if the internet only included
p2p apps, cryptography and hashtables from the beginning…
2667 [18:45:12] <galex-713> world would be way simplier
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2706 [19:12:57] <galex-713> the problem with the netinst is
I’m staying a semi-dozen of additional hours at work until
everybody leaves and then I have to abort the installation ><
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2713 [19:17:06] <kion> When I 'sudo apt-get upgrade' I
get a message 'The following packages have been kept back...
XXX' Why is that?
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2717 [19:18:18] <Brigo> kion, becuase the upgrade of those
packages need another packages.
2718 [19:19:09] <kion> Brigo, and why don't apt go upgrade
those other packages?
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2724 [19:20:27] <Brigo> kion, it plays it safe. You can upgrade
those packages with apt-get dist-upgrade
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2729 [19:21:25] <kion> Brigo, What does apt-get dist-upgrade do If
you still have your sources.list pointing to jessie?
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2731 [19:22:15] <Brigo> dist-upgrade upgrades packages and their
dependencies.
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2736 [19:23:01] <TomTomTosch> dist-upgrade handles changing
dependencies, upgrade does not.
2737 [19:23:03] <Brigo> what did you mean with "still have
your sources.list pointing to jessie?" are you upgrading to
stretch?
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2746 [19:27:58] <qwerty1234566789> Is Xfce more stable than gnome?
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2748 [19:28:20] <qwerty1234566789> I need to run a server
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2753 [19:29:13] <rudi_s> qwerty1234566789: Don't run a server
with X.
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2758 [19:31:09] <ompaul> at least one that is exposed to the
internet
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2862 [20:18:32] <ssarah> guys, youtube-dl on the repo is really
old
2863 [20:18:37] <ssarah> 3 years or so
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2865 [20:18:45] <ssarah> this is normal?
2866 [20:19:15] <missmbob> for stable, yes. there's a newer
one in jessie-backports
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2869 [20:19:38] <RoyK> hm - is there a way to check a typical
debian installation (by script) if it's updated recently? I see
there are software to be installed for this purpose, but I rather
want something that can work on all sorts of things (like a small
script))
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2873 [20:21:54] <missmbob> !tell ssarah about jessie-backports
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2875 [20:22:09] <TomTomTosch> i had to backport youtube-dl from
sid because even in jessie-backports the version was too old.
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2879 [20:22:31] <TomTomTosch> !tell ssarah about ssb
2880 [20:22:57] <missmbob> i just use it from git. youtube-dl -U
is too nice
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2882 [20:23:02] <ssarah> so i should enable the backports
repository no matter what version im running?
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2893 [20:26:06] <TomTomTosch> you need it enabled if you are doing
a manula backport too, yes. but i guess getting it from upstream
wouldn't be such a bad idea.
2894 [20:26:22] <TomTomTosch> * manual
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2906 [20:30:34] <ssarah> thanx guys
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2912 [20:33:16] <jer0me> wow, youtube-dl has 14500+ commits, 500+
contributors and 900 releases. I would not have imagined that.
2913 [20:33:41] <missmbob> the number of sites it supports? yeah,
i can believe it
2914 [20:34:01] <jer0me> (it also has ~1500 open issues)
2915 [20:34:41] <M4GNV5> hey, so i have a little problem with my
wireless headset (asus HS-W1). it works fine listening to music and
the mic too, however when not using it, it eventually times out.
Turning it on again makes the headset search for a connection but it
doesnt connect. I have to unplug the receiver and plug it in again
so that it works
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2921 [20:36:09] <dontknow> M4GNV5, matbe it is related with power
saving
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2925 [20:36:58] <jhutchins> M4GNV5: Use rfkill list to see what
the system thinks is happening. Should also be logged in dmesg.
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2927 [20:37:50] <M4GNV5> yah sry was uploading dmesg, here it is:
replaced-url
2928 [20:38:03] <M4GNV5> it is full of "usb 1-1: 2:1:
usb_set_interface failed (-71)"
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2931 [20:38:31] <M4GNV5> hmm also it looks incomplete
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2933 [20:38:37] <M4GNV5> i uploaded /var/log/kern.log
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2935 [20:38:57] <jhutchins> RoyK: What are you actually after?
Wouldn't seeing what updates are available be more useful?
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2939 [20:39:53] <M4GNV5> jhutchins, also whats rfkill? it looks
like its not installed on my system
2940 [20:40:27] <jhutchins> M4GNV5: It's a wireless device
manager, works on bluetooth.
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2943 [20:41:02] <jhutchins> M4GNV5: Also, "Bluetooth is
unreliable" is a known feature of bluetooth.
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2945 [20:41:32] <M4GNV5> uhm afaik its a 2.4ghz ad hoc connection
2946 [20:41:36] <M4GNV5> so no bluethooth i guess?
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2949 [20:42:44] <jastrahm> Hey guys, im back, dumb question but
can I only highlight text and post it on pastebin or can i upload
the file?
2950 [20:42:51] <missmbob> RoyK: this is real shity and i hacked
it together real quick. edit to your needs
replaced-url
2951 [20:42:54] <feri> pastebin, jastrahm
2952 [20:42:55] <feri> please
2953 [20:43:06] <feri> if you wouldn't mind taking the time
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2955 [20:44:00] <jastrahm> I'm confused, trying to post it to
pastebin, is their an upload option where i can upload xorgs log or
do i have to highlight the txt and vim and paste into the text
field.
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2957 [20:44:23] <missmbob> !pastebinit
2958 [20:44:23] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See
also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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2961 [20:45:16] <RoyK> jhutchins: hm - perhaps - I just want to
know updated status without requiring a truckload of stuff to be
installed first (for monitoring purposes)
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2967 [20:45:56] <M4GNV5> ahh rfkill seems to be for everything, i
installed it however rfkill list outputs nothing :(
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2971 [20:46:54] <jastrahm> its just coming up with link to a blank
debian pastezone?
2972 [20:47:01] <jastrahm> also thanks for all the help so far.
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2975 [20:47:42] <jastrahm> it let me choose a file so i just
choose it and uploaded it
2976 [20:47:51] <jastrahm>
replaced-url
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2978 [20:47:59] <jastrahm> finally got it up.
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2983 [20:49:22] <jastrahm> anybody have any ideas what I could do
to fix it based on the logs I've provided?
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2995 [20:58:12] <petn-randall> jastrahm: From the little details
your provided I'm guessing that your xorg.conf is broken.
2996 [20:58:40] <petn-randall> gah
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3075 [21:40:33] <shirley1> hello there. I'd like some advice
on
replaced-url
3076 [21:40:34] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3077 [21:41:31] <shirley1> the tool requires to add something in
user's ~/.bashrc, and I assume it isn't acceptable for a
debian package to modify the user parameters
3078 [21:41:40] <shirley1> do you confirm it should be handled
otherwise ?
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3096 [21:43:52] <shirley1> chen: maybe you can help?
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3154 [22:04:32] <d3xter> hey guys, how can i change the theme of
matchbox-window-manager
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3167 [22:10:04] <zuiss1> does anyone know why debian switched me
to firefox-esr? i have mozilla.debian.net in my sources.list and was
getting the latest release until a recent update
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3170 [22:10:43] <missmbob> mozilla changed their mind about debian
using their branding so iceweasel was replaced by firefox
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3174 [22:13:03] <zuiss1> firefox has been back in debian for many
months though, but why was i switched from release to esr is my
question
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3176 [22:14:16] <gnutemberg> #hexchat
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3178 [22:14:57] <missmbob> the freeeze wont allow stretch to
update, so firefox is only in sid. it has firefox-esr in prep for
release if that's what you're using
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3180 [22:15:58] <TomTomTosch> firefox will need rust to build with
ff54, which is not in jessie, so ff release for jessie is gone.
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3182 [22:16:22] <zuiss1> i have "deb
replaced-url
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3187 [22:16:53] <zuiss1> ok, that explains it then
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3201 [22:23:28] <qwerty1234566789> Would xfce be a better option
for a older computer than gnome?
3202 [22:24:03] <mtn> qwerty1234566789: probably
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3207 [22:26:14] <teraflops> qwerty1234566789: what are the specs
of that computer?
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3214 [22:28:02] <n4dir> pretty much anything would be a better
option than gnome, for an old computer.
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3217 [22:28:51] <teraflops> hmm not sure
3218 [22:29:28] <tdn> Does LUKS on Debian 8 utilize the aes-ni hw
accelerated AES crypto if CPU supports it? Or do I have do something
actively in order to use this module?
3219 [22:29:32] <teraflops> only the gpu could be a problem.
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3223 [22:32:11] <teraflops> tdn: you don't have to do
anything AFAIK. why are you asking it? having issues?
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3230 [22:35:24] <darkload> How do you upgrade to kernel version
4.10?
3231 [22:35:26] <tdn> teraflops, I am replacing a server and
considering if it is worth the extra cost of bying a server with a
Xeon CPU in order to get aes-ni support instead of the one that is
on the other system I am looking at G1610T
3232 [22:37:21] <sypher> darkload: Why do you need to run that
kernel version?
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3234 [22:37:59] <darkload> I am using a ryzen cpu and 4.10 is the
only way to enable the use of multi core
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3236 [22:38:44] <TomTomTosch> darkload: you would need to build
from source.
replaced-url
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3243 [22:40:23] <teraflops> tdn: xeons are fine but you don't
need one to have aesni
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3247 [22:42:15] <epsilon> xeon e3 isn't more expensive than
i7
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3250 [22:43:30] <John[Lisbeth]> does debian contain non gpl or
only gpl code?
3251 [22:43:30] <tdn> teraflops, yeah, I am considering Pention
G4400 as well
3252 [22:43:47] <tdn> John[Lisbeth], it is free software. Some of
it is GPL some is not
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3254 [22:43:50] <tdn> John[Lisbeth], but still free
3255 [22:43:58] <John[Lisbeth]> alright just checking
3256 [22:44:00] <tdn> John[Lisbeth], some might be BSD license,
etc.
3257 [22:44:07] <John[Lisbeth]> works for me in this instance
3258 [22:44:15] <epsilon> tdn: you don't want celeron or
pentium, unless it's a low performance server
3259 [22:45:00] <tdn> epsilon, this is for this use case:
replaced-url
3260 [22:45:29] <tdn> epsilon, beware that this does not hold if
you add non-free sources or third party sources.
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3265 [22:48:01] <darkload> you can add non free sources you still
have to give out the soruce
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3275 [22:50:42] <epsilon> tdn: don't know how much you want
to spend, but i'd buy supermicro X11 gen in this case,
especially the models supporting celeron/i3/xeon-E3. they usualy
have 2 Ethernet and IPMI (that iLO thingy)
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3277 [22:51:58] <tdn> epsilon, this is something that must run in
my home. Not a datacenter. The supermicro servers that I have seen
are datacenter models that are noisy as hell
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3281 [22:52:31] <epsilon> and 3TB RAID1 with LUKS: don't
worry any current CPU will handle it without heavy CPU load
3282 [22:52:44] <darkload> an i5 with a water cooler
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3284 [22:53:02] <epsilon> tdn: no you only buy mainboard, build
the rest self, incl CPU cooling
3285 [22:53:03] <darkload> and a thick case
3286 [22:53:08] <vvor> Any wizard have a clue if in a small scale,
monitoring one web server, collectd will work over WAN to InfluxDB
or a LAN
3287 [22:53:13] <vvor> conaction is mandatory?
3288 [22:53:36] <epsilon> na, 120mm fan is enough. the 4 3TB disks
will make way more noise than cpu fan
3289 [22:53:51] <darkload> water cool hard drive
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3291 [22:53:54] <darkload> it exists
3292 [22:54:03] <pgrunwald> tdn: reddit.com/r/homelab - I'm
very happy with myt Dell R710. Lots of eBay steals!
3293 [22:54:05] <epsilon> doesn't suppless the noise
3294 [22:54:11] <tdn> epsilon, ok
3295 [22:54:23] <tdn> epsilon, I think that will be hard to do for
~300 EUR
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3297 [22:54:36] <teraflops> tdn: it depends on the level of
performance/power consumption you want as epsilon pointed
3298 [22:54:41] <tdn> epsilon, including mobo, chassis, NICs, RAM,
no disks
3299 [22:54:46] <epsilon> yeah, supermicro costs usualy 200 euro,
then cpu+ram
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3301 [22:54:55] <Diggity> Hello, I have a debian 8 machine that is
having issues booting in graphical mode.. i tried adding
'single' to the grub boot config, but that gave me
'recovery' mode... is there a way i can get debian to boot
into text/non-graphical mode, but still perform a 'normal'
boot?
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3303 [22:55:13] <tdn> epsilon, yeah, so budget is already blown, I
guess
3304 [22:55:29] <darkload> you could try getting something like a
8320e
3305 [22:56:02] <epsilon> tdn: then you don't have much
choice... go gigabyte/asrock and i5
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3312 [22:56:49] <darkload> ryzen is coming out a April
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3314 [22:57:19] <pgrunwald>
replaced-url
3315 [22:57:32] <darkload> should drive the price of i5 down
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3318 [22:57:44] <tdn> epsilon, chassis is not included frmo
supermicro?
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3321 [22:58:43] <tdn> epsilon, HP ML10 is 300 EUR with G4400 CPU
or 400 EUR with a Xeon E3
3322 [22:59:05] <epsilon> Microserver?
3323 [22:59:06] <tdn> epsilon, but HP MicroSErver gen8 is 250 EUR
with Celeron
3324 [22:59:22] <tdn> epsilon,
replaced-url
3325 [22:59:24] <darkload> you can get used xeons off ebay
3326 [22:59:32] <epsilon> sounds good too, these are unpack&go
thingy
3327 [22:59:47] <teraflops> tdn: there are nice deals on ebay on
second hand machines
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3329 [23:00:13] <teraflops> darkload: heh
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3331 [23:00:49] <epsilon> I stopped buying 2nd hand PC
(components) on ebay years ago, not worth it -_- too many junk and
half broken stuff
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3335 [23:01:02] <darkload> i got a 6 core xeon and 24gb ram for
only $320
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3339 [23:01:58] <tdn> epsilon, I agree wrt second hand stuff
3340 [23:02:13] <magyar> hi, is there something wrong with vim in
stretch? I'm unable to copy/paste to system clipboard when I
remote to a stretch system and use vim
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3343 [23:02:57] <petn-randall> magyar: Try shift + middle click.
3344 [23:03:19] <petn-randall> magyar: AFAIK that's not new
to stretch though.
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3346 [23:04:00] <magyar> petn-randall: wow, that worked. I never
had this before in the past. Why would this happen?
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3349 [23:05:01] <magyar> petn-randall: it seems only when I open
vim this happens. if I less or highlight any text, it will populate
in my system clipboard
3350 [23:05:02] <petn-randall> magyar: This is if you install vim
which has X support.
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3352 [23:05:17] <magyar> petn-randall: on the remote system?
3353 [23:05:20] <petn-randall> (that's already in jessie,
though)
3354 [23:05:31] <petn-randall> magyar: You have X11 forwarding
enabled?
3355 [23:06:07] <magyar> nope, I just ssh user@host from my kde
"konsole" program on jessie
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3362 [23:07:53] <n4dir> magyar: if you right click, does it enable
visual mode?
3363 [23:08:25] <magyar> n4dir: nope
3364 [23:08:37] <n4dir> that's what i had, but i sure forgot
how i changed it. ... ah, ain't the case anyway, good then
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3366 [23:09:07] <magyar> n4dir: sorry, yes it does
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3368 [23:09:31] <n4dir> aha. yeah, i had the same after an upgrade
of vim, though in slackware. Like said: i forgot how i changed it
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3370 [23:09:59] <n4dir> it was a big pain
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3374 [23:11:57] <n4dir> try #vim , perhaps
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3384 [23:14:35] <magyar> n4dir: thank you
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3390 [23:17:56] <n4dir> i really wish i would find the change in
my configs ...
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3393 [23:22:02] <teraflops> I can paste via ssh under xorg (no X
forwarding) from system clipboard to vim (jessie) with stock
configuration.
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3396 [23:23:29] <n4dir> version 8.0.161
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3402 [23:24:39] <bin_bash> magyar: are you using a clipboard
manager on the host OS
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3409 [23:26:54] <magyar> bin_bash: not sure, I just use kde
konsole to remote ssh to the stretch host
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3411 [23:28:10] <bin_bash> install parcellite, which is a
clipboard mananager
3412 [23:28:19] <bin_bash> then when you copy from vim, see if
it's actually stored in the clipboard
3413 [23:28:24] <bin_bash> ive had a similar problem within screen
3414 [23:28:30] <magyar> even if I ssh with -X the right click
triggers "Visual" mode instead of kde menu for right click
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3416 [23:28:38] <bin_bash> the text does go to the clipboard, but
doesnt paste initially, i have to select it in parcellite.
3417 [23:28:44] <bin_bash> oh hm
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3420 [23:29:58] <bin_bash> magyar:
replaced-url
3421 [23:30:07] <magyar> so any other system i ssh into if I use
vim and I right click I get the standard KDE right click menu for
copy, paste and a who bunch of other konsole options, but to this
new stretch box I will not get that
3422 [23:31:03] <bin_bash> it's a vim thing
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3424 [23:31:28] <magyar> so i guess stretch is not using
/etc/vim/vimrc file any longer
3425 [23:31:41] <magyar> i set the mouse= in that file and nothing
happens
3426 [23:32:05] <magyar> which file is the global config for vim
now?
3427 [23:32:30] * teraflops uses neovim for ~1 year, never looked back
3428 [23:32:32] <bin_bash> magyar: mouse=a not mouse=
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3430 [23:32:51] <bin_bash> and you will need to restart vim or
reload the vimrc
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3432 [23:33:52] <magyar> bin_bash: it doesn't matter what I
place in that file
3433 [23:34:10] <magyar> vim just ignores it. I also don't
have a ~/.vimrc
3434 [23:34:17] <bin_bash> are you sure vim is ignoring it?
3435 [23:34:27] <magyar> so the question is, where is wim getting
the global settings in stretch
3436 [23:34:34] <magyar> bin_bash: sure
3437 [23:34:38] <bin_bash> open vim and do :version
3438 [23:34:41] <bin_bash> and it'll tell you
3439 [23:34:44] <n4dir> - /usr/share/vim/vimrc is only a template?
or is it being used?
3440 [23:35:19] <bin_bash> or :echo $MYVIMRC
3441 [23:35:25] <bin_bash> that should give you the full path of
the vimrc in use
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3455 [23:38:28] <magyar> bin_bash: nothing happens on :echo
$MYVIMRC
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3457 [23:38:39] <bin_bash> what does :version say
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3459 [23:38:44] <magyar> the version is 8.0.378
3460 [23:38:57] <bin_bash> hm
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3462 [23:38:59] <bin_bash> that's weird
3463 [23:39:39] <magyar> i wish I could copy it :)
3464 [23:39:52] <bin_bash> on mine it says where my vimrc is when
i do :echo $MYVIMRC
3465 [23:39:55] <n4dir> aha. i changed mouse=v to mouse=a, and am
back t visual mode when using the right mouse
3466 [23:40:00] <magyar> but $VIM is in /usr/share/vim
3467 [23:40:13] <bin_bash> share?? that's weird
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3469 [23:40:35] <bin_bash> so then the vimrc would be
/usr/share/vim/vimrc
3470 [23:40:56] <teraflops> magyar: try :scriptnames
3471 [23:41:12] <n4dir> if it was me i would try: set mouse=v ;
magyar
3472 [23:41:28] <bin_bash> n4dir: i think he's right,
he's in the wrong vimrc file
3473 [23:41:32] <teraflops> by default it uses
/usr/share/vim/vimrc unless you have one in ~/
3474 [23:41:37] <magyar> bin_bash: nope, the difference between
jessie and stretch is the "defaults" setting
3475 [23:41:44] <magyar> jessie vim doesn't have it
3476 [23:42:09] <n4dir> you could always test it from the command
prompt inside vim
3477 [23:42:14] <magyar> "$VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim
3478 [23:42:17] <bin_bash> magyar: did you see the bug report i
posted?
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3482 [23:43:07] <bin_bash> they specifically address it
3483 [23:43:21] <magyar> bin_bash: how do I stop sourcing
$VIMRUNTIME ?
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3487 [23:43:37] <magyar> in bash login?
3488 [23:43:53] <bin_bash> do :source path/to/myvimrc i believe.
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3490 [23:45:22] <bin_bash> also make sure none of the vimrc files
have a source pointiung to the example
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3493 [23:46:04] <bin_bash> anyway i gtg but gl
3494 [23:46:35] <magyar> bin_bash: thanks
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3498 [23:47:24] <n4dir> magyar: you would do me quite a favor if
you would test "set mouse=v".
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3500 [23:47:36] <n4dir> i am not keen to run into the problem
again.
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3510 [23:51:24] <n4dir> uhum:
replaced-url
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3516 [23:55:07] <magyar> n4dir: I'm not sure if that will
halp. In stretch it seems to override my settings of vimrc with the
file /usr/share/vim/vim80/defaults.vim
3517 [23:55:17] <magyar> that file is not getting loaded in jessie
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3521 [23:56:04] <magyar> the trick is to prevent that file from
loading
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3523 [23:56:14] <n4dir> copy the file to ~/.vimrc and make the
changes there
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3527 [23:57:13] <magyar> n4dir: bin_bash pointed out the bug
replaced-url
3528 [23:57:22] <magyar> which doesn't make much sense to me
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3531 [23:57:40] <magyar> :scriptnames is loading
/usr/share/vim/vimrc
3532 [23:57:55] <magyar> and /usr/share/vim/vimrc is just a link
to /etc/vim/vimrc
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3534 [23:57:59] <Diggity> hi i was afk, but had a question about
how to boot debian into non-graphical mode...
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3537 [23:58:10] <Diggity> anyone around to help me with that?
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3540 [23:59:34] <n4dir> if i am not wrong ~/.vimrc should be used
if it exists, the defaults are used if config files don't exist
in the users home. It is a bit different, but i am too tired
3541 [23:59:47] <afidegnum> hello, i installed debian as secondary
os to my windows which deleted the mbr using boot-repair-disk to fix
the MRB, i brought windows back but can't have debian displayed
as list of boot options how do i fix this please?
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