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2[00:00:32] <KaffeeJunky123> confrey: more exciting bugs?
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3[00:00:36] <mutante> that you would get the software version
you want. but as missmbob already declared that answer was
"stupid" and i dont wanna deal with that attitude
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5[00:01:07] <casin_ufsc> rage quit!!
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6[00:01:11] <TomTomTosch> good day!
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7[00:01:57] <TomTomTosch> well, you get newer software.
that's the benefit.
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13[00:02:29] <confrey> there are other a few things i wish to
do : 1), try to compile the 'daily' release of freecad
from sources; those srcs are in launchpad; 2) I like Compiz very
much, so the question is : is it possible to compile it from source
(thinking about using sources from linuxmint)
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15[00:03:36] <TomTomTosch> well, in that case switching to
stretch would probably be a good option. ^^
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17[00:03:51] <casin_ufsc>
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22[00:05:29] <TomTomTosch> stretch already has compiz packaged.
building it on jessie is probably not that easy.
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25[00:05:51] <TomTomTosch> at least backporting it.
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28[00:06:02] <confrey> TomTomTosch, may I have to reinstall or
just change 'stable' in 'testing' in
source.list, and then update and upgrade?
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30[00:06:21] <confrey> and what happen to freecad just
installed from backports?
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32[00:07:15] <TomTomTosch> dpkg: jessie->stretch
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33[00:07:15] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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34[00:07:46] <TomTomTosch> freecad from backports should
upgrade without problems too, but you can check afterwards.
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37[00:09:09] <TomTomTosch> but disable the backports repo.
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41[00:12:50] <andai> could someone with VLC please see if it
can play this stream ?
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44[00:13:23] <andai> turns out i can play normal youtube
videos, but not streams, wondering if it's just my system or
debian's vlc config
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47[00:13:36] <TomTomTosch> confrey: you can also get the latest
freecad build from git, no need to get packages from different
distros.
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48[00:13:51] <TomTomTosch> eh, source, not build.
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52[00:14:27] <confrey> TomTomTosch, thanks for your interest
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55[00:15:21] <TomTomTosch> andai: nope, doesn't work. mpv
either.
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56[00:15:28] <TomTomTosch> confrey: no problem. ^^
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60[00:15:41] <andai> TomTomTosch: What's mpv ?
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63[00:16:12] <missmbob> ,i mpv
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64[00:16:13] <judd> Package mpv (video, optional) in
jessie/amd64: video player based on MPlayer/mplayer2. Version:
0.6.2-2; Size: 731.8k; Installed: 1944k; Homepage:
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66[00:16:31] <andai> missmbob: can mpv play normal Youtube
videos?
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68[00:16:39] <missmbob> yes
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71[00:17:02] <andai> thanks
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73[00:17:21] <otherus3r> is it possible to tell if hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
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76[00:17:44] <otherus3r>
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85[00:19:33] <BrainError404> Hi, can I know why I can't
set iwconfig iface mode master even if iw says it supports ap mode?
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88[00:19:57] <JyZyXEL> how can i purge all the packages that i
installed in the last hour?
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90[00:21:02] <JyZyXEL> i guess last n packages would work too
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92[00:21:10] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: read dpkg log
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94[00:21:28] <teraflops> or parse it
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95[00:21:42] <otherus3r> is it possible to tell if hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
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97[00:22:35] <otherus3r> what is sbd1 and sbd2 btw?
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105[00:25:51] <altyr> otherus3r: sdb is some sort of hard drive.
sdb1/sdb2/sdb3 are partitions on the drive. if you look at the
second-to-last column it will tell you
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106[00:26:24] <otherus3r> altyr: Can you tell if my hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
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107[00:27:08] <altyr> it doesn't look like it to me. it
appears only partition 3 is encrypted
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108[00:27:25] <altyr> again, look at the second to last column
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110[00:30:36] <otherus3r> altyr: so my swap is encrypted?
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111[00:30:44] <otherus3r> what I can see
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113[00:31:07] <otherus3r> cryptsetup status /dev/dm-2 didnt give
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114[00:31:20] <andai> to conclude my investigation: latest VLC
(2.2.4 "Weatherwax") can play YouTube streams on macOS and
Ubuntu, but not Debian.
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129[00:38:04] <teraflops> andai: because it ships with
youtube.lua
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130[00:38:28] <BrainError404> Again same question: can I know
why I can't set iwconfig iface mode master even if iw says it
supports ap mode?
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131[00:38:38] <teraflops> mpv do have a hook that calls
youtube-dl
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145[00:44:28] <mishehu> greetings folks - quick question about
package building w/debuild . I'm building a package with
debuild -i -us -uc -b, but I'd like to associate a package
revision number and 'jessie' to the package name that is
produced. how do I accomplish that?
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148[00:44:58] <ChmEarl> mishehu, edit debian/changelog
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150[00:45:10] <ChmEarl> or `dch -n`
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154[00:47:00] <mishehu> ChmEarl: ah, so `foo (1.1.0) stable;
urgency=low` becomes `foo (1.1.0-1.jessie) stable; urgency=low` ?
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155[00:48:19] <somiaj> mishehu: don't edit the current
changelog entry, add a new one
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156[00:48:38] <somiaj> but yes, that would be what you started
it with. Then mention in it that this is a custom build (and maybe
why) and sign it with your name/email at the bottom.
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161[00:49:03] <mishehu> thanks both of you, I'll try that.
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163[00:49:29] <ChmEarl> mishehu, any email you add must match to
your gpg keys
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165[00:50:33] <somiaj> that shouldn't matter with the -us
and -uc flags, those mean unsigned.
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168[00:51:10] <somiaj> you could use a local email for all the
build scripts care, but if using/sharing this package, best to
document what you did and who you are.
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171[00:52:02] <mishehu> yeah I'm not making anything for
submission, it's just a customized build of a software package
for our own internal use.
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173[00:52:31] <somiaj> that is fine, I'd still practice
good habbits, but using a local email would be just fine.
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201[01:12:26] <andai> teraflops: the debian version ships with
youtube.lua ? What do the others use?
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204[01:14:33] <tw> mishehu: document the crap out of that. One
of your coworkers is eventually going to look at it and wonder what
and why, possibly long after your gone.
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212[01:25:12] <mishehu> tw: hah, I'm the only c/c++ dev out
of a 15 person dev team. the only other person who would ever look
at it is the sysadmin who handles the puppet server & the custom
debian package repo we run.
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270[01:47:28] <ghormoon> hi, I've got a bad drive to try to
copy data out, is there a way to force to "reset" it
without rebooting whole box back and forth? for some time in the
begining I was able to at least list it (fdisk -l), now it says
/dev/sdh doesn't exists (I can dd if=/dev/sdh but it stops
after 0 bytes, same for ddrescue)
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288[01:54:22] <kiki`> can i do something like: startA || startB
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294[01:57:44] <ghormoon> that's what || is for (assuming
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308[02:05:44] <Lyberta> does Debian work with Secure boot?
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322[02:11:58] <dax> not according to dpkg
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323[02:12:00] <dax> dpkg: secure boot
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324[02:12:00] <dpkg> "Secure boot" is a hardware
restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents
the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an
accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See
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327[02:13:15] <Lyberta> I have a laptop that supports UEFI but
it seems there is no way to disable secure boot if I choose UEFI
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329[02:13:37] <dax> that's odd, there's almost always
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330[02:13:47] <dax> since Microsoft (used to? dunno if it
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331[02:13:58] <dax> for computers certified for Windows or
whatever the terminology is
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334[02:15:13] <Lyberta> this laptop case with Ubuntu 12.04
preinstalled and HDD in MBR mode, I want to reformat to GPT and
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336[02:15:52] <Lyberta> oh wait, there seems to be a way to
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406[02:56:12] <heyho> is it safe to have root start apache2
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426[03:06:58] <bambu> Hello
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428[03:07:44] <bambu> I have configured NetworkManager to share
my wireless connection with my ethernet device, but I am unable to
SSH into the box that is acting as the bridge
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graphics and Nvidia to work properly, right now only the intel card
is working, I think there is a package for hybrid graphics...
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505[03:38:58] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-prime'
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518[03:47:00] <kion> what is nvidia-prime?
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519[03:48:27] <dvs> a transformer!
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is there another name of that package?
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560[04:15:35] <drpresident> I have an alienware 14 and bumblebee
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than bumblebee right?
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648[05:16:03] <nbros652> Can anyone tell me whether the duration
of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop
environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5
years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop
environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5
years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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698[05:48:00] <cafuego> aaarrrgggghhhhhh
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703[05:50:26] <LiuYan> nbros652:
replaced-url
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705[05:50:48] <nbros652> LiuYan, I didn't either.
That's why I was asking.
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708[05:52:14] <nbros652> LiuYan, does the LTS support apply only
to the standard.iso image or does it apply to the mate-desktop.iso
and others as well?
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711[05:53:30] <micros> is there a place where i can run a
command at startup the very first time the system boots and then not
again without changing anything?
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714[05:55:31] <nbros652> micros, have you considered using a
script that deletes itself?
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718[05:56:13] <micros> no. i had not
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719[05:56:37] <micros> but then the caller of the script gets a
file not found error
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721[05:56:48] <micros> so i would have to adjust the caller as
well
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722[05:56:52] <micros> or just adjust the caller
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723[05:57:02] <nbros652> [ -e /your/script file ] && run
script
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724[05:57:24] <micros> ah fair point
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725[05:57:30] <nbros652> only runs script if it exists.
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726[05:57:39] <micros> if [-e ...]
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728[05:57:59] <micros> thats reasonably elegant too
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729[05:58:00] <micros> thank you
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730[05:58:01] <nbros652> micro you can use if if you like.
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732[05:58:09] <micros> oh, is it not required?
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733[05:58:21] <nbros652> not in bash or sh
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734[05:58:26] <contrapunctus> o/
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735[05:58:34] <micros> nifty
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738[05:58:49] <micros> harder to understand unless you know it
well... but nifty still
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739[05:58:53] <nbros652> [ test ] && do something if
true || do something if false
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740[05:59:26] <nbros652> micros, I find one liners are easy for
single commands. It's just preference though.
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741[05:59:33] <micros> this script would be called from?
rc.local ?
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742[05:59:55] <micros> this is a post setup step
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745[06:00:12] <micros> for setting up my wifi password... but if
i image my sd card, i want it to be different on other devices
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746[06:00:20] <nbros652> micros, or you could do it from cron
@reboot
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747[06:01:20] <micros> if i do it from cron, does the cron
remove the job after the first reboot, or does it run every reboot?
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748[06:01:26] <contrapunctus> How do I install ImageMagick in
Debian? I've installed imagemagick, imagemagick-6-common,
imagemagick-6.q16, imagemagick-6.q16hdri and imagemagick-common, and
don't see any binaries (dpkg -L <package>) from any of
them...
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752[06:02:39] <nbros652> micros, from cron, you'd probably
want to call a script that runs your test. In other words, it would
be indirect. On the other hand [ test] && run/script might
work in cron.
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753[06:02:44] <micros> alternatively, what about piping the
output from awk into a file such that if the line doesnt exist in
the file, its appended to the end, otherwise, the line is replaced?
the syntax for piping into sed is a bit confusing. So far i have cat
/sys/class/net/eth0/address | awk -F ':' '{print
"wpa_passphrase=" $4 $5 $6}' >>
/home/pi/file.txt which prints the last 6 digits of the mac as the
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754[06:02:44] <micros> passphrase.
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755[06:03:23] <nbros652> micros, I'm pretty sure I've
used [ test ] && script in cron before
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762[06:10:20] <tpanarch1st> hello, tried to ask this question in
mint and got nowhere, i'm trying to install avg on nix for the
purposes of scanning a windows unmounted partition, totally stuck -
obviously googled, followed instructions there but i'm stuck on
the securing engine options - none work
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765[06:11:46] <LiuYan> nbros652: as far as i know, there's
no mate-deskto.iso except a MATE Live CD, so i *guess* Debian LTS
covers all desktop environments.
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923[08:21:59] <binary-zero> Hi folks - need some help on my
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924[08:22:19] <binary-zero> my services aren't working
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1020[09:23:48] <DrBunsen> Hello, how can I monitor what processes
are accessing one of my hard drives?
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1022[09:24:57] <SwedeMike> DrBunsen: "iotop" is one way
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1023[09:27:26] <DrBunsen> SwedeMike: Can that show me to which
HDD there is being written to?
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1025[09:28:47] <Aeo> glances does that
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1026[09:28:57] <Aeo> by /dev device
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1028[09:29:35] <Aeo> watch -d du -sh is another
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1030[09:30:07] <SwedeMike> DrBunsen: it seems iotop cannot do
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1031[09:30:25] <Aeo> ^
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1034[09:30:44] <DrBunsen> SwedeMike: Nope it doesn't
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1035[09:31:00] <DrBunsen> Aeo: Thanks for suggesting glances
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1038[09:31:38] <DrBunsen> iotop -o would be extremely handy if
you only got 1 disk though
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1039[09:31:46] <Aeo> it's a fair bit more, and in python
that's not particularly nice. I'm a fan for prettiness,
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1040[09:32:08] <Aeo> UI lag, etc
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1042[09:32:21] <Aeo> but dope otherwise
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1043[09:32:39] <DrBunsen> UI lag as in that it refreshes only
every second?
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1046[09:33:12] <Aeo> yeah, and it doesn't handle paging fast
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1048[09:34:02] <Aeo> it's per core vis (hit 1) sucks for
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1049[09:34:25] <DrBunsen> Ahh, well I was just curious. I just
inserted 2 HDDs into my machine to make a backup, and it was making
an awful noise while being idle
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1050[09:34:45] <Aeo> I got one that sounded spectacular as it
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1057[09:35:24] <DrBunsen> it just sounds like the 90s all over
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1059[09:35:33] <Aeo> :>)
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1219[11:10:12] <MaDMaLKaV> good morning guys
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1220[11:10:29] <MaDMaLKaV> anyone knwo why there is no php5
packages in SID for amd64 ?
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1223[11:12:49] <binary-zero> Anyone available for some help ?
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1243[11:29:01] <centrx> !help
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1244[11:29:14] <centrx> !ask
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1245[11:29:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1248[11:31:51] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: I suspect it's because
PHP5 is now quite old
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1249[11:32:11] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: Here is the ticket about
it's removal from Debian:
replaced-url
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1250[11:32:12] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1260[11:38:44] <Iridos> how did you find that?
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1264[11:41:56] <Iridos> centrx, how did you find that bug?
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1266[11:42:29] <centrx> Iridos: I searched for [php5 removal
debian bug]
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1268[11:42:40] <centrx> searched Google
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1269[11:42:48] <Iridos> dpkmeh
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1270[11:42:52] <Iridos> meh*
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1271[11:43:05] <MaDMaLKaV> centrx: thanks for the info
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1273[11:43:28] <Iridos> I looked at the qa page and the bug
page… I think at the bug page the removal bug shouldn't
be archived
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1274[11:43:38] <Iridos> dpkg, literal php5
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1275[11:43:38] <dpkg> "php5" is "<reply> see
php"
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1276[11:43:40] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: You can try using the php5
package from stable, or try recompiling it from stable
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1278[11:44:19] <MaDMaLKaV> yeah, that's an option
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1279[11:45:25] <Iridos> dpkg, no, php5 is <reply> php5 was
removed from archives Jan 2017. See
replaced-url
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1280[11:45:25] <dpkg> okay, Iridos
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1297[11:51:20] <ScandalousApple> Hi, not a strictly debian
question but any ideas about how I can create an ssh honeypot? Bots
try to brute force my machine (I don't use the default ssh
port) and I want to collect all the dodgy hostnames and decline
access
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1299[11:51:53] <sonOfRa> !fail2ban
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1300[11:51:53] <dpkg> Fail2ban invokes system access restrictions
after repeated logon attempts. It uses <ssh> and
<iptables> by default, but can be extended to whatever
authentication and access denial system you're using. Fail2ban
does not support <IPv6> (Debian bug #470417).
replaced-url
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1302[11:52:33] <ScandalousApple> thanks a lot :)
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1304[11:53:02] <hubot> Hello!
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1311[11:54:46] <Iridos> sonOfRa, that would only work when
there's an actual ssh listening on that port
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1318[11:57:12] <sonOfRa> The benefits are questionable, but
it's possible.
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1398[12:44:53] <MCMic> Hello
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1399[12:45:22] <gry> hi
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1401[12:45:29] <MCMic> When I apt update it does not get the info
from a repo, I guess it thinks it is already up to date, but is
there any way to force getting the info?
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1404[12:46:38] <gry> MCMic, what message do you get to conclude
'it does not get the info from a repo' ?
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1405[12:47:05] <MCMic> gry: In french it says
«Atteint» instead of «Réception» for
this repo
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1406[12:47:30] <gry> prepend LC_ALL=C before the command, and it
will tell it in English
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1407[12:47:32] <MCMic> And when I run apt policy on a package I
do not see the version from this repo
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1408[12:47:39] <gry> 'LC_ALL=C apt-get update'
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1409[12:47:51] <MCMic> So it says «Hit»
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1410[12:48:00] <gry> Okay, thanks
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1412[12:50:16] <MCMic> gry: Is there any way to ask apt update to
force update all repos even if the cache is recent?
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1413[12:50:19] <petn-randall> !bat
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1414[12:50:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1416[12:50:48] <gry> MCMic, see what petn-randall and dpkg said
above. out of my knowledge area sorry
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1417[12:50:51] <petn-randall> MCMic: Can you provide the infos
^^^. Use "LC_ALL=C" in front of all messages to make them
use plain english.
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1419[12:51:04] <dgriffi> does anyone here use Deluge as a torrent
client/server?
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1420[12:51:11] <gry> client
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1421[12:53:04] <dgriffi> I somehow blew away $HOME/.config/deluge
during a backup/restore and now I can't figure out how to
re-add torrents and the files they point to
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1422[12:53:22] <dgriffi> that is... without downloading the
contents all over again.
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1423[12:53:31] <MCMic> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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1424[12:53:32] <dgriffi> I just want it to re-check and continue
from there...
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1425[12:53:42] <dgriffi> but the forced rechecks don't
actually do anything
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1426[12:53:54] <dgriffi> except maybe a brief flash of
"checking 0%" and that's it
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1427[12:53:59] <MCMic> The package fusiondirectory is supposed to
be available in the repo appearing in the second command but the
first one does not list it
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1431[12:57:12] <petn-randall> MCMic: It looks like you're
running an (incomplete) Ubuntu instalation. Support for Ubuntu is in
#ubuntu.
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1435[12:57:55] <MCMic> petn-randall: But is there anyway to ask
apt to update ignoring cache from previous request?
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1436[12:58:06] <MCMic> petn-randall: And can I list cache
information for a given repo?
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1437[12:59:01] <petn-randall> MCMic: The right place is to ask in
#ubuntu, since you're running Ubuntu. They've got
different versions of apt that behave different to the Debian ones.
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1438[12:59:11] <MCMic> :-/
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1471[13:18:28] <MCMic> petn-randall: answer was the cache is in
/var/lib/apt/lists and delete the lists in there allows to update
them with apt update after
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1473[13:18:51] <MCMic> Just checked on my debian and it’s
exactly the same thing.
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1476[13:20:22] <amy_> hi. my g4 power mac has two monitors, the
graphics card is a radeon 9000 rv250. using xrandr, i cannot assign
the monitors to display separately; they are always in clone mode. I
have tried using the display settings within xfce4 as well, and this
also fails. is this a know issue?
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1477[13:21:07] <amy_> i am using the stable branch of debian,
this is a new install of 8.7 stable
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1492[13:29:27] <petn-randall> MCMic: That's not the answer
to your problem, though.
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1493[13:29:59] <MCMic> petn-randall: It was
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1494[13:30:09] <MCMic> petn-randall: More importantly it was the
answer to my question
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1495[13:30:26] * petn-randall shrugs.
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1497[13:30:38] <petn-randall> I guess you left out some important
details then.
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1499[13:31:20] <sypher> MCMic: Most importantly, we do not
support Ubuntu in this channel, regardless of how relevant you think
your problem is to Debian. Seek assistance with Ubuntu in #ubuntu in
the future.
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1501[13:31:59] <MCMic> I never spoke about ubuntu before being
asked
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1502[13:32:12] <MCMic> I asked a general question about how apt
works, which is a debian tool
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1504[13:32:24] <MCMic> And the answer was go ask somewhere else,
it’s stupid
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1505[13:32:40] <FinalX> it's a package manager, and APT
works differently in each version, Ubuntu has a higher version than
latest Debian stable.
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1507[13:32:46] <petn-randall> MCMic: This channel is not a
generic apt support channel. Anyways, we're getting offtopic
here.
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1508[13:32:48] <FinalX> and works differently, as for instance,
it drops privs.
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1510[13:33:03] <FinalX> (xenial's and higher drop
privileges, whereas jessie's does not)
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1511[13:33:08] <FinalX> so no, they are not the same.
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1512[13:33:28] <dgriffi> is there any chance of getting MATE 1.18
into Stretch?
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1513[13:33:40] <FinalX> stretch is frozen, anything not already
in there, won't get in there
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1514[13:33:42] <dgriffi> 1.16 has some rather irritating problems
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1515[13:34:02] <MCMic> I would have been fine with a debian
specific answer, I also use debian anyway so this kind of question
about how apt works pops in different contexts
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1516[13:34:07] <MCMic> Anyway, bye
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1519[13:34:30] <petn-randall> dgriffi: If you can convince the
maintainer and the release team that these are release-critical, you
might be able to get a fix backported.
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1520[13:34:49] <dgriffi> they're not exactly critical
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1523[13:35:26] <dgriffi> for one... 1.18 is entirely gtk3...
being partially gtk2 (1.16) leads to odd problems of some things
working and some not
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1526[13:35:39] <FinalX> could easily end up in stretch-backports,
though
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1527[13:35:43] <dgriffi> I hope so
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1528[13:36:42] <dgriffi> the most irritating thing about 1.16 is
that if you put the workspace-switcher on the top of the screen,
then there will be a 1-pixel strip just at the edge of the display
where the pointer will not register as being on the
workplace-switcher
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1531[13:37:01] <dgriffi> this means you cannot simply jam the
mouse up there and click to a different workspace
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1532[13:37:09] <FinalX> heh, annoying
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1534[13:37:38] <dgriffi> so I'm pondering removing all MATE
stuff from APT and installing MATE entirely from source
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1536[13:37:50] <dgriffi> I've no idea how to debianify MATE
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1538[13:38:45] <dgriffi> then there's the problem of you can
no longer change the colors of the window decorations because of a
fundamental change in how GTK3 does theming
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1539[13:39:13] <dgriffi> I've sort of found a solution using
sed, but that's like using a backhoe to kill a fly
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1542[13:40:10] <FinalX> well, the way you describe things,
changing from MATE 1.16 to MATE 1.18 is not an in-place upgrade as
dependencies and behaviour change.. so now I'm even more
certain it won't make it into the initial stretch release.
backports still remain an option, though, but in that case
you'll have to wait until after stretch's release and
logner.
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1543[13:40:12] <FinalX> longer*
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1555[13:48:51] <TEX> anyone in here familiar installing Mozilla
Thunderbird in Debian 8.7.1 ?
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1558[13:49:26] <petn-randall> TEX: Just ask ahead, maybe someone
knowing the answer will respond.
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1563[13:50:46] <TEX> I have it Working but I do so by creating a
shortcut to the folder. I unzipped it but do not know how to get it
to install and be recognixed by Debian in the Menu Bar
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1566[13:51:34] <TEX> Historically it was not a problem, this is
Thunderbird 52.0 and something is different
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1569[13:52:08] <TEX> I am New to Linux and have Searched the
Internet to no avail.
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1574[13:53:07] <petn-randall> ,v thunderbird
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1575[13:53:07] <TEX> Youtube also....I think it is too New but i
don't get a choice to download an olde version
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1576[13:53:08] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid:
1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
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1578[13:53:33] <petn-randall> TEX: Thunderbird is called
'icedove' in Debian jessie. Just install that package.
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1579[13:53:37] <petn-randall> ,v icedove
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1580[13:53:38] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; stretch:
1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3
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1581[13:53:47] <petn-randall> !why icedove
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1582[13:53:48] <dpkg> Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla
software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla
software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to
let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to
non-trademarked product names. See
replaced-url
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1583[13:53:51] <TEX> I dont want Ice dove....
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1584[13:54:09] <TEX> I have always had Thunderbird and want to
stay with it
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1586[13:54:30] <TEX> I understand the IceDove issue
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1588[13:54:33] <petn-randall> TEX: Or install the thunderbird
from mozilla.debian.net, which is by the same people that maintain
the packages in Debian.
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1589[13:54:50] <TEX> let me try that...Thank You
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1595[13:57:52] <TEX> oops...that is just an info page....
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1597[14:00:14] <petn-randall> TEX: Ignore the "icedove"
on that page, it needs updating. Adding their repo will give you
access to a thunderbird package.
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1601[14:02:17] <TEX> do I simply Add the url to the Repository
list in Synaptic?
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1603[14:02:39] <TEX> And for Section just put Main?
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1607[14:03:27] <petn-randall> Actually, I take that back. Seems
as though they don't have thunderbird packages for stable,
sorry.
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1609[14:03:57] <petn-randall> TEX: I'd simply go with
icedove. It's just the name and the logo changed, everything
else is 100%* the same.
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1612[14:04:56] <FinalX> I never got why Iceweasel and Icedove,
though.. Mozilla branding thing issue with licensing?
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1614[14:05:19] <TEX> I have the Abilty to Run Thunderbird i just
don't like the way it is setup is all...
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1616[14:05:54] <TEX> I am getting my email for now...hopefully
they work something out soon
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1618[14:06:06] <petn-randall> TEX: Those steps aren't
trivial, which is why packages exist.
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1620[14:07:05] <TEX> They have FireFox so hopefully Thunderbird
is on it's way soon
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1621[14:07:47] <dgriffi> TEX: yes... thunderbird is in Stretch
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1622[14:07:57] <dgriffi> TEX: as opposed to icedove
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1624[14:08:29] <TEX> I know your advice is Sound...Problem is
Me...I don't like Change. I have been using Thunderbird for
several years now on a Windows PC and I have Grown to Love it.
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1625[14:08:43] <TEX> Great News
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1627[14:09:09] <TEX> Except i am not having alot of Luck with
Stretch and the Cinnamon DE
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1629[14:09:16] <dgriffi> TEX: I'm a bit like that too...
which is why I was very quick to jump over to using MATE
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1630[14:09:23] <TEX> Like I say, I don't like Change
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1632[14:09:52] <TEX> I ran it successfully with KDE and MATE but
I still refer Cinnamon
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1633[14:09:55] <dgriffi> TEX: prior to that, I stuck with fvwm
version 1.24
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1634[14:10:08] <TEX> I need to write those guys and ask them WHAT
is UP....
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1636[14:10:48] <dgriffi> TEX: the scuttlebutt I heard was that
whoever was objecting to Debian debianifying the Firefox packages
finally gave up
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1637[14:10:57] <TEX> It is a funny thing to me, I can run the
Cinnamon DE in Debian 8.7.1 but Not 9 (Testing)...Why Not???
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1638[14:11:14] <dgriffi> I know nothing of Cinnamon...
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1639[14:11:31] <TEX> I have an AMD/Radeon Video Adaptor
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1640[14:12:01] <TEX> but if it works with Cinnamon in Ver 8.7.1,
it should Also in 9
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1642[14:12:29] <TEX> but I get error, Software Renedering mode
and it Does Overheat my Laptop
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1643[14:12:54] <TEX> so I switched back to Debian 8.7.1
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1645[14:13:35] <TEX> I know they cahnge things but Why the Video
Adaptor Compatibilty?
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1646[14:13:51] <TEX> we only have 2 vendors...sheesh
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1648[14:14:17] <towo^work> you have installed the non-free
firmware for the amd graphics?
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1650[14:14:25] <TEX> yes
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1651[14:14:45] <towo^work> can you provide a Xorg.0.log?
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1652[14:15:33] <TEX> I am on my Desktop and it works Beautifully
with 8.7.1
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1654[14:15:45] <TEX> I will if you tell me how...
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1657[14:16:05] <towo^work> it would only be helpfull from a
system, where it is not working
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1658[14:16:06] <TEX> I am not Seasoned with the commands yet
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1659[14:16:13] <TEX> but working on it
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1668[14:19:21] <TEX> ok, well it wasn't working in Ver 9
(Testing)
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1670[14:19:31] <TEX> I have deleted that Distro
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1672[14:20:18] <TEX> I read where Testing is Frozen but I am
hoping something gets fixed so I can Upgrade to 9
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1676[14:21:34] <TEX> my Main PC has an AMD/Radeon R7/240 Video
Adapter and I really don't want to have to Replace it
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1680[14:22:12] <TEX> I am running 8.7.1 and it really works
Nicely and in the Cinnamon DE....
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1686[14:23:32] <TEX> The Graphics adaptor in my Laptop is an
AMD/Radeon HD 7640G
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1689[14:23:43] <TEX> that is the one i had trouble with
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1691[14:24:06] <TEX> I havent tried Testing on this PC yet with
the R7
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1692[14:24:16] <TEX> maybe I need to since it is New
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1693[14:24:29] <sypher> Please take non-support chatter to
offtopic.
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1694[14:24:31] <towo^work> as long as you can't provide
lelevant logfiles from such not working system, no one can help you
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1695[14:24:45] <towo^work> *relevant
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1696[14:25:20] <TEX> he must be Kin to the Ops over in
linixmint-help...
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1699[14:25:44] <TEX> I understand...just hoping
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1700[14:26:05] <sypher> Secondly, this channel doesn't
provide support to testing. That's elsewhere.
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1701[14:26:18] <TEX> ok ok...drop it
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1705[14:28:19] <TEX> maybe you should re-read the Topic...I see
testing/unstable
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1706[14:28:47] <TEX> oh maybe your right...I appologize
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1707[14:29:16] <monban> hello, I'm doing Rails development
on a vps running Debian Testing, I want to write a bash script to
(using ufw or something) allow access to port 3000 for only myself,
I think I can figure that part out but is there an easy way to get
the ip address from which I am connecting?
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1709[14:29:37] <monban> put another way, is there an easy way to
ask Debian what address I'm connecting FROM?
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1710[14:29:44] <TEX> #debian-next is Invite-Only
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1711[14:29:54] <tremon> #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
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1712[14:30:19] <TEX> I don't know how to get there from here
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1714[14:31:32] <blackflow> monban: the (ssh) logs will usually
have the entry, but if I understood you correctly, you want to allow
any IP, and after you connect, limit access only to that IP?
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1716[14:31:54] <TEX> Found it...
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1719[14:32:35] <monban> blackflow: well the ports are different,
so ssh should be allowed from anywhere, but once I'm in and
start my rails server (which runs on port 3000) I want to whitelist
port 3000 from ONLY the ip address that the current ssh session is
coming from
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1720[14:32:38] <monban> if that makes sense?
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1722[14:32:54] <blackflow> yes. check journalctl -n -u
ssh.service
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1724[14:33:06] <tremon> monban: something like curl
replaced-url
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1725[14:34:03] <tremon> why open the port at all? why not use
port forwarding over ssh and bind the rails app to localhost?
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1729[14:34:29] <blackflow> monban: also consider a mechanism
similar to ssh port knocking. Eg, you allow access only to a
specific (very hard to guess) URL, and after you reach it, your
application can allow further access to the IP that requested the
URL. Note that it makes sense only over encrypted connection.
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1731[14:34:51] <RA3OR> adams.freenode.net
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1732[14:35:10] <monban> tremon: so the curl gives me the ip of
the vps, which isn't what I need, but I like what you're
thinking with the ssh tunnel, that makes a lot of sense, means the
traffic from the rails server is encrypted and protected by the ssh
tunnel as well, right?
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1734[14:36:33] <blackflow> monban: yes, like a vpn
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1735[14:36:35] <tremon> yes, it is. see man ssh, option -L
(forward local port to remote)
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1740[14:37:10] <monban> but I also like blackflow's idea of
grabbing the ip address from the log, then just sticking it in an
environment variable immediately after login
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1741[14:37:39] <tremon> you already have that btw, $SSH_CLIENT
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1742[14:37:46] <blackflow> monban: nah, if you're relying on
ssh, the socks proxy is really the simplest solution
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1745[14:38:07] <monban> I can just put in my .profile to do the
journalctl -n -u ssh.service pipe that to tail and look for
'Accepted publickey'
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1746[14:38:12] <blackflow> SSH_CLIENT, TIL
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1747[14:38:21] <Eszett_> Hi! I have a question.. is it possible
the language of a installed Debian afterwards ?
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1748[14:38:31] <monban> oh wow $SSH_CLIENT that's... really
easy...
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1749[14:38:35] <Eszett_> I have it "german", but like
to have it back to english
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1750[14:38:37] <tw> also SSH_CONNECTION if you need both sides.
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1752[14:39:23] <monban> hmm, okay so $SSH_CLIENT is the really
easy solution, but I still might look at doing the ssh port
forwarding because it encrypts the traffic just for the extra
security, really good options all, thanks much to you both
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1753[14:39:32] <tw> It doesn't help if MITM can NAT your
packets though.
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1754[14:39:37] <towo^work> Eszett_, dpkg-reconfigure locales
&& dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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1758[14:40:04] <tw> you're better off with ssh -D or -L and
forwarding the connection inside ssh.
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1759[14:40:18] <Eszett_> towo: ah? let me see
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1764[14:42:21] <dionysus69> how does libvirt/kvm/qemu (dunno what
all those mean together) compare to virtualbox in terms of
performance?
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1766[14:42:49] <dionysus69> one thing I know is that virtualbox
is much more userfriendly, but do I get penalized in terms of
performance?
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1769[14:43:40] <tw> If you're going to do desktop things,
use vbox; it's faster to configure if you like clicking. If
you're going to run server things, use qemu/kvm.
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1771[14:45:18] <blackflow> virt-manager is not a bad GUI for
KVM/qemu either.
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1777[14:48:11] <dionysus69> blackflow: yes thats what I am using
virt-manager
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1778[14:48:20] <dionysus69> but there are gotchas like requires
root to run etc etc
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1780[14:48:41] <blackflow> dionysus69: kvm is the kernel virtual
machine subsystem for virtualization, requires hardware support
(pretty much any intel/amd cpu since few years ago). qemu is
virtualization/emulation software that utilizes kvm. libvirt is a
library of virtualization functions used by various virtualization
programs.
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1781[14:48:43] <tw> they're probably pretty close for perf.
You still have to play with both to get reasonable io performance. I
don't think you can force hugepages with vbox either, so you
have the extra pagetable lookups.
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1782[14:48:43] <dionysus69> I assume its a better solution to run
headless
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1784[14:49:18] <blackflow> dionysus69: iirc, you can make your
user part of libvirtd group and wouldn't need root
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1787[14:50:04] <dionysus69> how is the command for that again ?
:D
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1788[14:50:09] <dionysus69> for adding user to group :D
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1789[14:50:42] <blackflow> usermod -a -G libvirtd youruser but
check the group, I'm not 100% it's the correct name,
it's been a while since I used it last
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1793[14:51:40] <dionysus69> blackflow: just libvirtd was enough
now doesn't need root :D :)
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1794[14:51:43] <dionysus69> thanks so much!
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1798[14:52:36] <blackflow> dionysus69: ah, libvirt and kvm,
according to this:
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1804[14:54:51] <dionysus69> ok added to kvm too :)
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1808[14:57:16] <thereyougo> so I got my PC hibernated, using
pm-hibernate, and it had USB flash drive attached, and after it woke
up, I go this in dmessg:
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1809[14:57:22] <thereyougo> "I/O error", is it
important ? also, now its few hours as I turned PC on, and I use
files from that flash drive without any errors
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1847[15:14:07] <Lachezar> Hello all. When installing certain
packages (say docker.io) purging them does not clean all changes
made to the OS when installing. Is there any way to monitor/audit
such changes, and eventually allow real cleanup?
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1848[15:14:15] <Lachezar> s/real/complete/
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1859[15:21:11] <ackb> can I activate stretch/testing for just one
package like lftp?
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1869[15:24:35] <sypher> ackb: No. Backport the package.
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1870[15:24:37] <sypher> !ssb
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1871[15:24:37] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1875[15:25:21] <ackb> sypher, but I could activate the testing
repo and do install -t testing for that package right?
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1876[15:25:42] <zykotick9> ackb: NOT a good idea. see "/msg
dpkg frankendebian"
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1877[15:25:45] <ackb> that would only pull stable/testing
dependencies for that package, not testing for the whole system?
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1878[15:25:54] <sypher> ackb: Again, no. Do that at your own
risk, and we will NOT support the resulting broken system.
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1879[15:26:05] <sypher> !dontbreakdebian
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1880[15:26:06] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is
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1885[15:27:06] <ackb> what about backports? does it provide a
newer version of lftp?
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1887[15:27:18] <Devastator> !checkbackport lftp
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1889[15:27:23] <sypher> ackb: First, do you actually need the
newer version?
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1890[15:27:27] <sypher> ,check-backport lftp
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1891[15:27:28] <judd> Backporting package lftp in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
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1892[15:27:34] <sypher> ,v lftp
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1893[15:27:35] <judd> Package: lftp on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.3.6-1+deb7u2; jessie: 4.6.0-1+deb8u1; stretch: 4.7.4-1; sid:
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1908[15:33:04] <ackb> lftp 4.6.0 in jessie is from 2014...there
are a lot of fixes/additions. See
replaced-url
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1910[15:35:03] <nkuttler> ackb: debian backports important fixes
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1911[15:35:31] <sypher> That doesn't really establish a
need. What new feature do you need that doesn't exist in
stable?
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1934[15:42:05] <Jubei> Hello everyone. netstat shows me on port
4433 python is listening. How can I found exactly what service is
this? (I'm running Deluge, a torrent client written in Python
on this box)
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1937[15:42:58] <sypher> Jubei: netstat is deprecated.
'ss' with the -p flag will indicate the attached process.
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1938[15:43:07] <Jubei> sypher thank you
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1943[15:44:37] <mason> Hi all. Just checking - I don't see
an update for Wheezy for
replaced-url
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1946[15:45:37] <petn-randall> mason: Security support for wheezy
ended quite a while ago.
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1947[15:45:42] <petn-randall> !wheezy-lts
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1948[15:45:42] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
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1949[15:45:58] <petn-randall> mason: However, there's still
an LTS team that might cover it. See above.
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1950[15:46:08] <petn-randall> Also relevant:
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1951[15:46:12] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
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1952[15:46:12] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability
database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at
replaced-url
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1953[15:46:13] <mason> I'm on LTS, but I didn't see any
discussion about any version of Debian. Was curious.
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1954[15:46:22] <mason> ah, ty, didn't know that one
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1955[15:46:34] <mason> Is that new?
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1959[15:47:32] <petn-randall> mason: It's already been there
for a few years. You can look up CVEs there.
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1961[15:47:39] <mason> Very cool. Thank you.
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1962[15:47:40] <petn-randall> cve lookup CVE-2016-10229
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1964[15:47:48] <mason> AND A BOT!
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1965[15:47:50] <petn-randall> !cve lookup CVE-2016-10229
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1966[15:47:51] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory
CVE-2016-10229 may be found at
replaced-url
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1967[15:47:58] <petn-randall> Looks like it's fixed.
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1968[15:48:05] <mason> cool
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1969[15:48:34] <petn-randall> mason: You're welcome!
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1977[15:51:34] <tw> Why is netstat deprecated? Is it some api
that is going away?
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1978[15:52:06] <sypher> tw: The maintainers said to stop using
the net-tools suite about a decade ago?
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1979[15:52:08] <mason> tw: I believe the Linux world is moving
towards the ip suite.
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1982[15:52:35] <sypher> s/is moving/has moved/
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1987[15:53:18] <Release_> is this the correct package for pcre :
apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev
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1990[15:53:30] <Release_> regex
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1991[15:53:44] <tw> Well, I guess if it gets dropped,
there's always busybox netstat.
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1992[15:54:09] <mason> tw: It ought to work into the indefinite
future.
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1994[15:54:32] <sypher> The correct answer is to learn the
iproute2 equivalent commands and use them.
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1995[15:54:41] <sypher> ip, ss, etc.
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1997[15:55:10] <jer0me> hey there, running jessie with the latest
kernel from bakcports, I have been facing these weird issue where X
is still running and active, but unresponsive to mouse and keyboard
events. I can't click, type, nothing. I see nothing in the logs
either. Any hint?
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1999[15:55:54] <mason> Have a good day, all, and thank you again
for the pointers, petn-randall! o/
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2015[15:58:46] <tw> I like the new options flags for ss, but for
an inspection tool I would have to use frequently, I'd rather
use the one that works on every computer I've been on for the
last ~20 years. the ip command makes sense because it's more
verb/clause based, but flag memorization isn't fun.
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2018[16:00:30] <tw> actually, I take that back, all of the flags
I use from netstat work directly in ss, it's just slightly
different output.
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2019[16:00:35] <tw> ignore me, moving on.
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2022[16:01:18] <tw> except for -r, that's completely
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2023[16:01:22] <sypher> tw: As I said, learn the new commands. ;)
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standard installation component anymore on a growing number of
platforms.
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2042[16:05:23] <tjt263> tw: what are the new thing?
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2049[16:08:45] <tw> tjt263: See sypher's link. It's
only deprecated on linux systems though, and will probably continue
to work for long enough that I'll have forgotten the old
commands exists.
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2051[16:09:26] <tjt263> whats deprecated?
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2052[16:09:33] <tw> netstat, ifconfig, etc.
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2053[16:09:37] <tw> net-tools
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2054[16:09:55] <tjt263> oh i didnt know they were part of the
same package
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2057[16:10:47] <tjt263> dealing with interfaces is easier with
ifconfig imo
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2061[16:11:26] <sypher> tjt263: I feel like we're missing
the message here. You SHOULD be learning the new tools. They're
actually a lot easier once you learn them.
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2065[16:12:08] <tjt263> i learned them at least 2 years ago
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2066[16:12:29] <tjt263> not full bottle though
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2071[16:13:45] <tjt263> but i wasnt here for the first part of
the conversation, so i dont know what that point was that you
mentioned
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2074[16:14:28] <tjt263> i just spoke my thought
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2076[16:15:42] <tjt263> i like the old ways and new
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2079[16:16:46] <tjt263> i still use ifconfig wlan0 down /
ifconfig wlan0 up, etc..
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2082[16:17:52] <tjt263> i was just setting up my first wifi
hotspot with hostapd so i've been using it a lot this week
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2083[16:18:01] <BluesKaj> sudo dhclient solves alot of disconnect
issues IME
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2085[16:18:38] <tjt263> BluesKaj: talking to me?
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2086[16:18:53] <BluesKaj> tjt263: merely commenting
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2089[16:19:41] <tjt263> to this conversation though, right? or
something from earlier?
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2091[16:20:14] <BluesKaj> about ifconfig yes
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2094[16:21:08] <BluesKaj> they're still valid commands
tjt263
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2098[16:21:27] <BluesKaj> comands
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2100[16:21:49] <tjt263> so, you're saying restarting the
dhcp client often helps you with disconnect issues?
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2101[16:21:58] <BluesKaj> oops I was right the first time,
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2103[16:22:07] <BluesKaj> yes
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2104[16:22:14] <tjt263> cool
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2108[16:23:02] <tjt263> i was going to add something, but i ws
thnking fro the servers perspective
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2109[16:23:03] <tjt263> i often use rfkill
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2112[16:23:25] <tjt263> with wireless onnections
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2113[16:23:38] <BluesKaj> tjt263: works well with users who use
the interfaces and resolv.conf files in place of network manager
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2115[16:24:27] <BluesKaj> wifi is bit clunky without NM
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2116[16:24:45] <tjt263> /etc/network/interfaces you referring to?
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2118[16:24:56] <tjt263> i think thats right
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2119[16:25:00] <BluesKaj> yes
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2120[16:25:27] <BluesKaj> ok BBL , gotta check other stuuf for
few mins
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2122[16:25:34] <tjt263> so, without network manager, you use
wpa_supplicant?
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2124[16:26:05] <tjt263> im still new to the non network manager
way
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2126[16:26:36] <tjt263> getting there
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2129[16:27:31] <firebalrog> yes wpa_supplicant is what you use
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2132[16:28:01] <firebalrog> The conf file is unfortunately case
sensitive and a newline in the wrong place can cause problems we
found
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2134[16:28:17] <tjt263> firebalrog: yeah, that's right
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2135[16:28:36] <tjt263> i think that applies to ost config files
though
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2136[16:28:40] <tjt263> most
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2139[16:29:41] <tjt263> i had the same issue with, i think
/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
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2140[16:31:25] <tjt263> or /etc/dnsmaq.conf
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2144[16:33:33] <tjt263> and /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/rc.local,
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, just going back over my
notes
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2174[16:56:31] <Schaffen> this is weird... my fresh debian
install didn't come with 'make'
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2175[16:56:37] <Schaffen> I gotta compile this network driver to
access the internet, so I can't use package manager to install
stuff
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2179[16:59:19] <tw> Is it possible to compile the network driver
elsewhere, and copy to the target machine? That might be easier.
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2183[17:00:51] <jelly> Schaffen: which network driver for which
card?
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2221[17:07:57] <Schaffen> I guess I could compile, but I'm
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2397[17:11:23] <Schaffen> unless I figure out a way to compile C
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2400[17:11:27] <Schaffen> ho boy, why isn't make included in
the main distro, that's silly :(
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2427[17:12:25] <`Kevin> Schaffen: thats an option you choose
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2453[17:16:34] <maxxe> is stretch close?
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2461[17:18:26] <sypher> maxxe: "Number concerning the next
release" is the key number there.
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2465[17:19:03] <jelly> !wwsr
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2466[17:19:03] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get
distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
<stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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2469[17:19:24] <maxxe> sypher, ok, seems to be some time to wait
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2470[17:19:39] <sypher> maxxe: You're not the only one antsy
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2478[17:21:41] <BluesKaj> sypher: i've been running stretch
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2480[17:21:51] <maxxe> sypher, debian beats a lot of OSes in my
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RHEL at work, and I have more problems with that than with Debian.
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don't see them anymore for stable, although they are in the
checksum files.
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2510[17:30:19] <alekz> there you go Threygoo
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2512[17:30:27] <jhutchins_wk> Threygoo: What do you need
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2513[17:30:33] <Threygoo> Ooops, clicked on ARM64 instead of
AMD64
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you can find those here:
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2516[17:30:42] <Threygoo> Thanks
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2517[17:30:45] <alekz> np
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2522[17:32:55] <jhutchins_wk> Torrents might not be well seeded
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2523[17:33:13] <jhutchins_wk> ...although we did just get a point
release.
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2524[17:33:21] <jhutchins_wk> Or are about to...
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2827[18:38:34] <Cl0udN9ne> hey guys how do i fix my locale?
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2828[18:38:43] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- this thing
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2836[18:39:35] <jhutchins_wk> !locale
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2837[18:39:35] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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2840[18:40:02] <Cl0udN9ne> !<locales>
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2841[18:40:14] <Cl0udN9ne> !locales
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2842[18:40:15] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to
get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and
also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment
variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the
output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised
errors>. See also <mac locales>.
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2852[18:42:30] <msl09> hello
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2853[18:42:43] <msl09> what could be causing my windows to smear
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2854[18:42:48] <msl09> when I drag them?
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2855[18:42:57] <msl09> I using xfce btw
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2856[18:43:23] <Papillon> you might try ##linux, are you using an
accelerated driver for your graphics card?
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2858[18:43:44] <Cl0udN9ne> what locale should i choose?
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2859[18:43:55] <msl09> I'm using the kernel driver
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2860[18:43:57] <Papillon> the one appropriate to you?
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2861[18:43:58] <Cl0udN9ne> en_US.UTF-8 ?
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2862[18:43:58] <msl09> I think
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2864[18:44:09] <msl09> hold on
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2865[18:44:28] <Papillon> if you're using us english that
one would be a suitable choice
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2866[18:44:35] <teraflops> Cl0udN9ne: how the hell are we
supposed to know that? telepathy?
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2867[18:44:48] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- could it solve this?
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2869[18:45:11] <Papillon> try enus utf8, it couldn't kill
you
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2870[18:45:17] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
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2875[18:46:32] <msl09> yeah I'm not using the proprietary
driver
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2877[18:47:00] <Papillon> the appropriate open source driver
should work
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2879[18:47:11] <msl09> I'm using the kernel 4.9 support for
ATI
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2881[18:47:49] <msl09> with the proprietary firmware
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2883[18:47:57] <msl09> because I couldn't configure the
monitor without it
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2886[18:48:38] <msl09> firmware-amd-graphics
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2887[18:49:46] <Papillon> if you don't get an answer here
try ##linux, but are you sure your xorg server is using the radeon
driver or whatever?
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2890[18:50:29] <msl09> nope
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2891[18:50:34] <msl09> how do I check that?
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2894[18:51:19] <Papillon> try asking in ##linux or googling it
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2895[18:51:31] <SepticTank> .
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2896[18:51:31] <Papillon> I think there's an xconfig?
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2897[18:51:39] <Papillon> you could also try like man x or man
x.org?
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2898[18:51:43] <Papillon> or man xconfig
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2899[18:52:43] <jhutchins_wk> Papillon: ##linux is unlikely to be
helpful.
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2900[18:52:47] <teraflops> msl09: start by identifying your gpu
model. then search whether it's supported by radeon or not.
amdgpu is a thing now too.
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2901[18:52:56] <Papillon> why?
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2905[18:53:15] <msl09> yeah I can see it's using amdgpu from
dmesg
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2906[18:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: What do you mean by
smearing?
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2907[18:53:37] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: Does the image linger after
you move the window?
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2908[18:53:54] <msl09> hmmm
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2909[18:53:59] <msl09> I should be more specific
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2910[18:54:08] <jhutchins_wk> Papillon: Too many of the
components are debian specific.
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2911[18:54:12] <teraflops> ,v llvm
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2912[18:54:13] <judd> Package: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; sid: 1:3.8-34+nmu1; stretch:
1:3.8-34+nmu1
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2915[18:54:38] <msl09> I can see the window image being teared
down and then being redrawn
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2916[18:55:00] <msl09> when I move it
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2917[18:55:03] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: So it's a sort of
visual lag?
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2919[18:55:10] <msl09> yes
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2920[18:55:30] <msl09> components inside it are quite fast
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2921[18:55:38] <teraflops> msl09: is amdgpu module loaded?
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2922[18:56:34] <Cl0udN9ne> guys whatever locale i choose,the
problem of ¨ doesnt go
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2924[18:56:48] <msl09> yes
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2925[18:56:56] <Cl0udN9ne> i tried en_US.UTF-8 and en_In
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2926[18:57:00] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: You are assuming that we
see something that is a problem. I see two dots.
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2927[18:57:24] <SepticTank> is it possible to install from
USB(install) to USB?
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2928[18:57:39] <msl09> SepticTank: yes
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2929[18:57:45] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Think about the fact
that you're not pasting an image, you're pasting a UTF
code that is being rendered by our local display.
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2930[18:58:25] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Running from USB is
likely to be unacceptably slow unless you use an optimized live
imge.
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2931[18:58:43] <Cl0udN9ne> but i hav in my text file the same UTF
code tht is rendered the way it should be
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2932[18:58:46] <SepticTank> i'm using live and it's
still slow
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2935[18:58:57] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Yes, it will be.
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2937[18:59:10] <msl09> let me test if it's firefox
that's causing the problem
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2940[18:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Where is it not rendered
correctly?
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2941[18:59:45] <SepticTank> i read that linux runs in ram memory
that's why it's slow
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2942[18:59:55] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- here
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2943[18:59:59] <SepticTank> so run it in usb instead helps?
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2944[19:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: That would actually
make it very fast.
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2947[19:00:19] <teraflops> SepticTank: no, it should be faster
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2949[19:00:44] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Running from USB would
be slower than running from RAM, that's one of the
optimizations used for live images.
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2952[19:01:07] <msl09> well it is not firefox
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2955[19:01:17] <msl09> also I have a correction to make
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2956[19:01:20] <teraflops> SepticTank: if you want to install
debian persistently in USB you better use usb 3.0
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2958[19:01:42] <SepticTank> i'm using a laptop without hard
drive and can't afford any so right now i'm using live and
it's slow
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2962[19:01:51] <msl09> some components in some windows also cause
problems
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2963[19:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: So it's not
rendering correctly in your IRC client. We do not know what you are
seeing or what you think you should be seeing.
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2964[19:01:58] <teraflops> msl09: amdgpu should just work in
stretch
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2967[19:02:10] <msl09> I'm using jessie with backports
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2968[19:02:25] <teraflops> msl09: no idea then
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2969[19:02:25] <Cl0udN9ne> jhutchins_wk not just irc client also
vim
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2970[19:02:44] <Cl0udN9ne> i need tht symbol to make a comment in
my code
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2971[19:03:04] <teraflops> msl09: because e.g mesa
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2974[19:03:52] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Doe it make a difference
if you run it in a console vs. a terminal window on X?
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2975[19:04:06] <Cl0udN9ne> no
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2976[19:04:27] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Have you tried
alternative terminal emulators?
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2978[19:04:40] <teraflops> ಠ_à²
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2979[19:04:53] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: What applications
display the character correctly?
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2980[19:04:55] <Cl0udN9ne> well on X if i do it inside gnome
without manually changing the locale from the status bar then it
doesnt make a difference
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2981[19:04:57] <teraflops> Cl0udN9ne: setup your locales
correctly also your keyboard
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2983[19:05:16] <Cl0udN9ne> jhutchins_wk: none i hav tried so far
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2986[19:06:07] <jhutchins_wk> How do you know that the character
is something other than what you are seeing?
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2988[19:06:33] <Cl0udN9ne> bcoz i know what character tht
keyboard button produces
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3195[20:23:34] <msl09> turns out I was not using x11
jessie-backports driver
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3199[20:23:54] <msl09> rebooted and lightdm could no longer start
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system start
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3203[20:24:46] <msl09> what now...
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3256[20:41:11] <msl09> ok I managed to revert the driver to
jessies version
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3257[20:41:21] <msl09> and now I can login
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3261[20:44:22] <zero71> i can
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3262[20:44:23] <msl09> I also got a log of the xorg error
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3263[20:44:25] <msl09>
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3266[20:45:08] <zero71> i can't install
'build-essential' on debian 8.6.0
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3268[20:45:32] <mtn> zero71: why not? what errors?
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3269[20:45:44] <zero71> i get package has no installation
candidat
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3270[20:45:55] <zykotick9> zero71: when you installed, did you
have internet?
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3271[20:46:17] <zero71> it's on virtual machine
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3272[20:46:41] <zero71> pre made hard disk
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3278[20:47:15] <TomTomTo1> zero71: paste the contents of
/etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net, please.
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3281[20:47:37] <zero71> ok
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3282[20:48:52] <zero71> actially i can't because i
can't install the guest addition without the build-essentials
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3284[20:49:16] <zero71> i can't copy to host machine
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3286[20:50:43] <TomTomTo1> then do this and give us the url it
returns. cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F c=@-
replaced-url
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