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2 [00:00:32] <KaffeeJunky123> confrey: more exciting bugs?
3 [00:00:36] <mutante> that you would get the software version
you want. but as missmbob already declared that answer was
"stupid" and i dont wanna deal with that attitude
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5 [00:01:07] <casin_ufsc> rage quit!!
6 [00:01:11] <TomTomTosch> good day!
7 [00:01:57] <TomTomTosch> well, you get newer software.
that's the benefit.
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13 [00:02:29] <confrey> there are other a few things i wish to
do : 1), try to compile the 'daily' release of freecad
from sources; those srcs are in launchpad; 2) I like Compiz very
much, so the question is : is it possible to compile it from source
(thinking about using sources from linuxmint)
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15 [00:03:36] <TomTomTosch> well, in that case switching to
stretch would probably be a good option. ^^
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17 [00:03:51] <casin_ufsc>
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22 [00:05:29] <TomTomTosch> stretch already has compiz packaged.
building it on jessie is probably not that easy.
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25 [00:05:51] <TomTomTosch> at least backporting it.
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28 [00:06:02] <confrey> TomTomTosch, may I have to reinstall or
just change 'stable' in 'testing' in
source.list, and then update and upgrade?
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30 [00:06:21] <confrey> and what happen to freecad just
installed from backports?
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32 [00:07:15] <TomTomTosch> dpkg: jessie->stretch
33 [00:07:15] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch"
is still pre-release and that security support will not always be
timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch
release notes>
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34 [00:07:46] <TomTomTosch> freecad from backports should
upgrade without problems too, but you can check afterwards.
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37 [00:09:09] <TomTomTosch> but disable the backports repo.
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41 [00:12:50] <andai> could someone with VLC please see if it
can play this stream ?
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44 [00:13:23] <andai> turns out i can play normal youtube
videos, but not streams, wondering if it's just my system or
debian's vlc config
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47 [00:13:36] <TomTomTosch> confrey: you can also get the latest
freecad build from git, no need to get packages from different
distros.
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48 [00:13:51] <TomTomTosch> eh, source, not build.
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52 [00:14:27] <confrey> TomTomTosch, thanks for your interest
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55 [00:15:21] <TomTomTosch> andai: nope, doesn't work. mpv
either.
56 [00:15:28] <TomTomTosch> confrey: no problem. ^^
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60 [00:15:41] <andai> TomTomTosch: What's mpv ?
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63 [00:16:12] <missmbob> ,i mpv
64 [00:16:13] <judd> Package mpv (video, optional) in
jessie/amd64: video player based on MPlayer/mplayer2. Version:
0.6.2-2; Size: 731.8k; Installed: 1944k; Homepage:
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66 [00:16:31] <andai> missmbob: can mpv play normal Youtube
videos?
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68 [00:16:39] <missmbob> yes
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71 [00:17:02] <andai> thanks
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73 [00:17:21] <otherus3r> is it possible to tell if hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
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76 [00:17:44] <otherus3r>
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85 [00:19:33] <BrainError404> Hi, can I know why I can't
set iwconfig iface mode master even if iw says it supports ap mode?
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88 [00:19:57] <JyZyXEL> how can i purge all the packages that i
installed in the last hour?
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90 [00:21:02] <JyZyXEL> i guess last n packages would work too
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92 [00:21:10] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: read dpkg log
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94 [00:21:28] <teraflops> or parse it
95 [00:21:42] <otherus3r> is it possible to tell if hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
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97 [00:22:35] <otherus3r> what is sbd1 and sbd2 btw?
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105 [00:25:51] <altyr> otherus3r: sdb is some sort of hard drive.
sdb1/sdb2/sdb3 are partitions on the drive. if you look at the
second-to-last column it will tell you
106 [00:26:24] <otherus3r> altyr: Can you tell if my hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
107 [00:27:08] <altyr> it doesn't look like it to me. it
appears only partition 3 is encrypted
108 [00:27:25] <altyr> again, look at the second to last column
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110 [00:30:36] <otherus3r> altyr: so my swap is encrypted?
111 [00:30:44] <otherus3r> what I can see
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113 [00:31:07] <otherus3r> cryptsetup status /dev/dm-2 didnt give
me any output
114 [00:31:20] <andai> to conclude my investigation: latest VLC
(2.2.4 "Weatherwax") can play YouTube streams on macOS and
Ubuntu, but not Debian.
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129 [00:38:04] <teraflops> andai: because it ships with
youtube.lua
130 [00:38:28] <BrainError404> Again same question: can I know
why I can't set iwconfig iface mode master even if iw says it
supports ap mode?
131 [00:38:38] <teraflops> mpv do have a hook that calls
youtube-dl
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145 [00:44:28] <mishehu> greetings folks - quick question about
package building w/debuild . I'm building a package with
debuild -i -us -uc -b, but I'd like to associate a package
revision number and 'jessie' to the package name that is
produced. how do I accomplish that?
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148 [00:44:58] <ChmEarl> mishehu, edit debian/changelog
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150 [00:45:10] <ChmEarl> or `dch -n`
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154 [00:47:00] <mishehu> ChmEarl: ah, so `foo (1.1.0) stable;
urgency=low` becomes `foo (1.1.0-1.jessie) stable; urgency=low` ?
155 [00:48:19] <somiaj> mishehu: don't edit the current
changelog entry, add a new one
156 [00:48:38] <somiaj> but yes, that would be what you started
it with. Then mention in it that this is a custom build (and maybe
why) and sign it with your name/email at the bottom.
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161 [00:49:03] <mishehu> thanks both of you, I'll try that.
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163 [00:49:29] <ChmEarl> mishehu, any email you add must match to
your gpg keys
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165 [00:50:33] <somiaj> that shouldn't matter with the -us
and -uc flags, those mean unsigned.
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168 [00:51:10] <somiaj> you could use a local email for all the
build scripts care, but if using/sharing this package, best to
document what you did and who you are.
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171 [00:52:02] <mishehu> yeah I'm not making anything for
submission, it's just a customized build of a software package
for our own internal use.
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173 [00:52:31] <somiaj> that is fine, I'd still practice
good habbits, but using a local email would be just fine.
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201 [01:12:26] <andai> teraflops: the debian version ships with
youtube.lua ? What do the others use?
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204 [01:14:33] <tw> mishehu: document the crap out of that. One
of your coworkers is eventually going to look at it and wonder what
and why, possibly long after your gone.
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212 [01:25:12] <mishehu> tw: hah, I'm the only c/c++ dev out
of a 15 person dev team. the only other person who would ever look
at it is the sysadmin who handles the puppet server & the custom
debian package repo we run.
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270 [01:47:28] <ghormoon> hi, I've got a bad drive to try to
copy data out, is there a way to force to "reset" it
without rebooting whole box back and forth? for some time in the
begining I was able to at least list it (fdisk -l), now it says
/dev/sdh doesn't exists (I can dd if=/dev/sdh but it stops
after 0 bytes, same for ddrescue)
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288 [01:54:22] <kiki`> can i do something like: startA || startB
in a bash script in order to startB only if startA failed?
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294 [01:57:44] <ghormoon> that's what || is for (assuming
that startA properly uses return codes)
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308 [02:05:44] <Lyberta> does Debian work with Secure boot?
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322 [02:11:58] <dax> not according to dpkg
323 [02:12:00] <dax> dpkg: secure boot
324 [02:12:00] <dpkg> "Secure boot" is a hardware
restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents
the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an
accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See
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327 [02:13:15] <Lyberta> I have a laptop that supports UEFI but
it seems there is no way to disable secure boot if I choose UEFI
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329 [02:13:37] <dax> that's odd, there's almost always
an option for that
330 [02:13:47] <dax> since Microsoft (used to? dunno if it
changed) requires it
331 [02:13:58] <dax> for computers certified for Windows or
whatever the terminology is
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334 [02:15:13] <Lyberta> this laptop case with Ubuntu 12.04
preinstalled and HDD in MBR mode, I want to reformat to GPT and
install Debian on it
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336 [02:15:52] <Lyberta> oh wait, there seems to be a way to
disable secure boot
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406 [02:56:12] <heyho> is it safe to have root start apache2
initially as seen here:
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426 [03:06:58] <bambu> Hello
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428 [03:07:44] <bambu> I have configured NetworkManager to share
my wireless connection with my ethernet device, but I am unable to
SSH into the box that is acting as the bridge
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433 [03:08:58] <bambu> is this an issue associated with
NetworkManager, and would I be better off diabling it and following
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463 [03:24:26] <captainzer0> exit
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500 [03:38:18] <kion> I am trying to get a new laptop with Intel
graphics and Nvidia to work properly, right now only the intel card
is working, I think there is a package for hybrid graphics...
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504 [03:38:57] <bazhang> ,v nvidia-prime
505 [03:38:58] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-prime'
was found in amd64.
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518 [03:47:00] <kion> what is nvidia-prime?
519 [03:48:27] <dvs> a transformer!
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553 [04:14:34] <kion> bazhang, Ther is no nvidia-prime in debian,
is there another name of that package?
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558 [04:15:04] <drpresident> you can use bumblebee
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560 [04:15:35] <drpresident> I have an alienware 14 and bumblebee
worked for me a couple years ago
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563 [04:16:06] <kion> drpresident, ok so we have no other option
than bumblebee right?
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648 [05:16:03] <nbros652> Can anyone tell me whether the duration
of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop
environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5
years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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672 [05:32:10] <nbros652> Can anyone tell me whether the duration
of LTS support for Debian differs when you use a different desktop
environment? For example, in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is supported for 5
years with Unity but only 3 years with Mate.
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698 [05:48:00] <cafuego> aaarrrgggghhhhhh
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703 [05:50:26] <LiuYan> nbros652:
replaced-url
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705 [05:50:48] <nbros652> LiuYan, I didn't either.
That's why I was asking.
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708 [05:52:14] <nbros652> LiuYan, does the LTS support apply only
to the standard.iso image or does it apply to the mate-desktop.iso
and others as well?
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711 [05:53:30] <micros> is there a place where i can run a
command at startup the very first time the system boots and then not
again without changing anything?
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714 [05:55:31] <nbros652> micros, have you considered using a
script that deletes itself?
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718 [05:56:13] <micros> no. i had not
719 [05:56:37] <micros> but then the caller of the script gets a
file not found error
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721 [05:56:48] <micros> so i would have to adjust the caller as
well
722 [05:56:52] <micros> or just adjust the caller
723 [05:57:02] <nbros652> [ -e /your/script file ] && run
script
724 [05:57:24] <micros> ah fair point
725 [05:57:30] <nbros652> only runs script if it exists.
726 [05:57:39] <micros> if [-e ...]
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728 [05:57:59] <micros> thats reasonably elegant too
729 [05:58:00] <micros> thank you
730 [05:58:01] <nbros652> micro you can use if if you like.
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732 [05:58:09] <micros> oh, is it not required?
733 [05:58:21] <nbros652> not in bash or sh
734 [05:58:26] <contrapunctus> o/
735 [05:58:34] <micros> nifty
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738 [05:58:49] <micros> harder to understand unless you know it
well... but nifty still
739 [05:58:53] <nbros652> [ test ] && do something if
true || do something if false
740 [05:59:26] <nbros652> micros, I find one liners are easy for
single commands. It's just preference though.
741 [05:59:33] <micros> this script would be called from?
rc.local ?
742 [05:59:55] <micros> this is a post setup step
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745 [06:00:12] <micros> for setting up my wifi password... but if
i image my sd card, i want it to be different on other devices
746 [06:00:20] <nbros652> micros, or you could do it from cron
@reboot
747 [06:01:20] <micros> if i do it from cron, does the cron
remove the job after the first reboot, or does it run every reboot?
748 [06:01:26] <contrapunctus> How do I install ImageMagick in
Debian? I've installed imagemagick, imagemagick-6-common,
imagemagick-6.q16, imagemagick-6.q16hdri and imagemagick-common, and
don't see any binaries (dpkg -L <package>) from any of
them...
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752 [06:02:39] <nbros652> micros, from cron, you'd probably
want to call a script that runs your test. In other words, it would
be indirect. On the other hand [ test] && run/script might
work in cron.
753 [06:02:44] <micros> alternatively, what about piping the
output from awk into a file such that if the line doesnt exist in
the file, its appended to the end, otherwise, the line is replaced?
the syntax for piping into sed is a bit confusing. So far i have cat
/sys/class/net/eth0/address | awk -F ':' '{print
"wpa_passphrase=" $4 $5 $6}' >>
/home/pi/file.txt which prints the last 6 digits of the mac as the
754 [06:02:44] <micros> passphrase.
755 [06:03:23] <nbros652> micros, I'm pretty sure I've
used [ test ] && script in cron before
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762 [06:10:20] <tpanarch1st> hello, tried to ask this question in
mint and got nowhere, i'm trying to install avg on nix for the
purposes of scanning a windows unmounted partition, totally stuck -
obviously googled, followed instructions there but i'm stuck on
the securing engine options - none work
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765 [06:11:46] <LiuYan> nbros652: as far as i know, there's
no mate-deskto.iso except a MATE Live CD, so i *guess* Debian LTS
covers all desktop environments.
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923 [08:21:59] <binary-zero> Hi folks - need some help on my
recent install; seems like my mdadm installation has broken the
systemd
924 [08:22:19] <binary-zero> my services aren't working
properly i.e. don't start , if i try to start manually - they
fail with errors
925 [08:22:50] <binary-zero> tried upgrading the code but seems
like it's the latest version so not sure what should I try
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927 [08:23:30] <binary-zero> Example of services broken: ssh , I
have to manually start it by running sshd.
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1020 [09:23:48] <DrBunsen> Hello, how can I monitor what processes
are accessing one of my hard drives?
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1022 [09:24:57] <SwedeMike> DrBunsen: "iotop" is one way
to look at it.
1023 [09:27:26] <DrBunsen> SwedeMike: Can that show me to which
HDD there is being written to?
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1025 [09:28:47] <Aeo> glances does that
1026 [09:28:57] <Aeo> by /dev device
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1028 [09:29:35] <Aeo> watch -d du -sh is another
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1030 [09:30:07] <SwedeMike> DrBunsen: it seems iotop cannot do
this per device, no.
1031 [09:30:25] <Aeo> ^
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1034 [09:30:44] <DrBunsen> SwedeMike: Nope it doesn't
1035 [09:31:00] <DrBunsen> Aeo: Thanks for suggesting glances
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1038 [09:31:38] <DrBunsen> iotop -o would be extremely handy if
you only got 1 disk though
1039 [09:31:46] <Aeo> it's a fair bit more, and in python
that's not particularly nice. I'm a fan for prettiness,
but the latter for when I want /stats/
1040 [09:32:08] <Aeo> UI lag, etc
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1042 [09:32:21] <Aeo> but dope otherwise
1043 [09:32:39] <DrBunsen> UI lag as in that it refreshes only
every second?
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1046 [09:33:12] <Aeo> yeah, and it doesn't handle paging fast
through processes
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1048 [09:34:02] <Aeo> it's per core vis (hit 1) sucks for
tons o cores
1049 [09:34:25] <DrBunsen> Ahh, well I was just curious. I just
inserted 2 HDDs into my machine to make a backup, and it was making
an awful noise while being idle
1050 [09:34:45] <Aeo> I got one that sounded spectacular as it
died
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1052 [09:34:57] <Aeo> pew pew, like starwars blasters
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said that
1057 [09:35:24] <DrBunsen> it just sounds like the 90s all over
again here atm
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1059 [09:35:33] <Aeo> :>)
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1062 [09:35:46] <DrBunsen> I had a HDD that would make a *pling*
sound, and after 3 years, it actually died on ,me
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1156 [10:27:29] <neoclust2> hi,
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1158 [10:28:54] <neoclust2> tekmans: hi
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1219 [11:10:12] <MaDMaLKaV> good morning guys
1220 [11:10:29] <MaDMaLKaV> anyone knwo why there is no php5
packages in SID for amd64 ?
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1223 [11:12:49] <binary-zero> Anyone available for some help ?
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1243 [11:29:01] <centrx> !help
1244 [11:29:14] <centrx> !ask
1245 [11:29:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1248 [11:31:51] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: I suspect it's because
PHP5 is now quite old
1249 [11:32:11] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: Here is the ticket about
it's removal from Debian:
replaced-url
1250 [11:32:12] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1260 [11:38:44] <Iridos> how did you find that?
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1264 [11:41:56] <Iridos> centrx, how did you find that bug?
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1266 [11:42:29] <centrx> Iridos: I searched for [php5 removal
debian bug]
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1268 [11:42:40] <centrx> searched Google
1269 [11:42:48] <Iridos> dpkmeh
1270 [11:42:52] <Iridos> meh*
1271 [11:43:05] <MaDMaLKaV> centrx: thanks for the info
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1273 [11:43:28] <Iridos> I looked at the qa page and the bug
page… I think at the bug page the removal bug shouldn't
be archived
1274 [11:43:38] <Iridos> dpkg, literal php5
1275 [11:43:38] <dpkg> "php5" is "<reply> see
php"
1276 [11:43:40] <centrx> MaDMaLKaV: You can try using the php5
package from stable, or try recompiling it from stable
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1278 [11:44:19] <MaDMaLKaV> yeah, that's an option
1279 [11:45:25] <Iridos> dpkg, no, php5 is <reply> php5 was
removed from archives Jan 2017. See
replaced-url
1280 [11:45:25] <dpkg> okay, Iridos
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1283 [11:46:10] <TEX> Good Morning
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1297 [11:51:20] <ScandalousApple> Hi, not a strictly debian
question but any ideas about how I can create an ssh honeypot? Bots
try to brute force my machine (I don't use the default ssh
port) and I want to collect all the dodgy hostnames and decline
access
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1299 [11:51:53] <sonOfRa> !fail2ban
1300 [11:51:53] <dpkg> Fail2ban invokes system access restrictions
after repeated logon attempts. It uses <ssh> and
<iptables> by default, but can be extended to whatever
authentication and access denial system you're using. Fail2ban
does not support <IPv6> (Debian bug #470417).
replaced-url
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1302 [11:52:33] <ScandalousApple> thanks a lot :)
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1304 [11:53:02] <hubot> Hello!
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1311 [11:54:46] <Iridos> sonOfRa, that would only work when
there's an actual ssh listening on that port
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1317 [11:56:51] <sonOfRa> Iridos: you can always run an ssh daemon
on that port that is configured not to let anyone in at all
1318 [11:57:12] <sonOfRa> The benefits are questionable, but
it's possible.
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1339 [12:10:50] <tremon> I tend to just -j TARPIT port 22 on my
outside
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1398 [12:44:53] <MCMic> Hello
1399 [12:45:22] <gry> hi
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1401 [12:45:29] <MCMic> When I apt update it does not get the info
from a repo, I guess it thinks it is already up to date, but is
there any way to force getting the info?
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1404 [12:46:38] <gry> MCMic, what message do you get to conclude
'it does not get the info from a repo' ?
1405 [12:47:05] <MCMic> gry: In french it says
«Atteint» instead of «Réception» for
this repo
1406 [12:47:30] <gry> prepend LC_ALL=C before the command, and it
will tell it in English
1407 [12:47:32] <MCMic> And when I run apt policy on a package I
do not see the version from this repo
1408 [12:47:39] <gry> 'LC_ALL=C apt-get update'
1409 [12:47:51] <MCMic> So it says «Hit»
1410 [12:48:00] <gry> Okay, thanks
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1412 [12:50:16] <MCMic> gry: Is there any way to ask apt update to
force update all repos even if the cache is recent?
1413 [12:50:19] <petn-randall> !bat
1414 [12:50:19] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1416 [12:50:48] <gry> MCMic, see what petn-randall and dpkg said
above. out of my knowledge area sorry
1417 [12:50:51] <petn-randall> MCMic: Can you provide the infos
^^^. Use "LC_ALL=C" in front of all messages to make them
use plain english.
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1419 [12:51:04] <dgriffi> does anyone here use Deluge as a torrent
client/server?
1420 [12:51:11] <gry> client
1421 [12:53:04] <dgriffi> I somehow blew away $HOME/.config/deluge
during a backup/restore and now I can't figure out how to
re-add torrents and the files they point to
1422 [12:53:22] <dgriffi> that is... without downloading the
contents all over again.
1423 [12:53:31] <MCMic> petn-randall:
replaced-url
1424 [12:53:32] <dgriffi> I just want it to re-check and continue
from there...
1425 [12:53:42] <dgriffi> but the forced rechecks don't
actually do anything
1426 [12:53:54] <dgriffi> except maybe a brief flash of
"checking 0%" and that's it
1427 [12:53:59] <MCMic> The package fusiondirectory is supposed to
be available in the repo appearing in the second command but the
first one does not list it
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1431 [12:57:12] <petn-randall> MCMic: It looks like you're
running an (incomplete) Ubuntu instalation. Support for Ubuntu is in
#ubuntu.
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1435 [12:57:55] <MCMic> petn-randall: But is there anyway to ask
apt to update ignoring cache from previous request?
1436 [12:58:06] <MCMic> petn-randall: And can I list cache
information for a given repo?
1437 [12:59:01] <petn-randall> MCMic: The right place is to ask in
#ubuntu, since you're running Ubuntu. They've got
different versions of apt that behave different to the Debian ones.
1438 [12:59:11] <MCMic> :-/
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1471 [13:18:28] <MCMic> petn-randall: answer was the cache is in
/var/lib/apt/lists and delete the lists in there allows to update
them with apt update after
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1473 [13:18:51] <MCMic> Just checked on my debian and it’s
exactly the same thing.
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1476 [13:20:22] <amy_> hi. my g4 power mac has two monitors, the
graphics card is a radeon 9000 rv250. using xrandr, i cannot assign
the monitors to display separately; they are always in clone mode. I
have tried using the display settings within xfce4 as well, and this
also fails. is this a know issue?
1477 [13:21:07] <amy_> i am using the stable branch of debian,
this is a new install of 8.7 stable
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1492 [13:29:27] <petn-randall> MCMic: That's not the answer
to your problem, though.
1493 [13:29:59] <MCMic> petn-randall: It was
1494 [13:30:09] <MCMic> petn-randall: More importantly it was the
answer to my question
1495 [13:30:26] * petn-randall shrugs.
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1497 [13:30:38] <petn-randall> I guess you left out some important
details then.
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1499 [13:31:20] <sypher> MCMic: Most importantly, we do not
support Ubuntu in this channel, regardless of how relevant you think
your problem is to Debian. Seek assistance with Ubuntu in #ubuntu in
the future.
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1501 [13:31:59] <MCMic> I never spoke about ubuntu before being
asked
1502 [13:32:12] <MCMic> I asked a general question about how apt
works, which is a debian tool
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1504 [13:32:24] <MCMic> And the answer was go ask somewhere else,
it’s stupid
1505 [13:32:40] <FinalX> it's a package manager, and APT
works differently in each version, Ubuntu has a higher version than
latest Debian stable.
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1507 [13:32:46] <petn-randall> MCMic: This channel is not a
generic apt support channel. Anyways, we're getting offtopic
here.
1508 [13:32:48] <FinalX> and works differently, as for instance,
it drops privs.
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1510 [13:33:03] <FinalX> (xenial's and higher drop
privileges, whereas jessie's does not)
1511 [13:33:08] <FinalX> so no, they are not the same.
1512 [13:33:28] <dgriffi> is there any chance of getting MATE 1.18
into Stretch?
1513 [13:33:40] <FinalX> stretch is frozen, anything not already
in there, won't get in there
1514 [13:33:42] <dgriffi> 1.16 has some rather irritating problems
1515 [13:34:02] <MCMic> I would have been fine with a debian
specific answer, I also use debian anyway so this kind of question
about how apt works pops in different contexts
1516 [13:34:07] <MCMic> Anyway, bye
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1519 [13:34:30] <petn-randall> dgriffi: If you can convince the
maintainer and the release team that these are release-critical, you
might be able to get a fix backported.
1520 [13:34:49] <dgriffi> they're not exactly critical
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1523 [13:35:26] <dgriffi> for one... 1.18 is entirely gtk3...
being partially gtk2 (1.16) leads to odd problems of some things
working and some not
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1526 [13:35:39] <FinalX> could easily end up in stretch-backports,
though
1527 [13:35:43] <dgriffi> I hope so
1528 [13:36:42] <dgriffi> the most irritating thing about 1.16 is
that if you put the workspace-switcher on the top of the screen,
then there will be a 1-pixel strip just at the edge of the display
where the pointer will not register as being on the
workplace-switcher
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1531 [13:37:01] <dgriffi> this means you cannot simply jam the
mouse up there and click to a different workspace
1532 [13:37:09] <FinalX> heh, annoying
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1534 [13:37:38] <dgriffi> so I'm pondering removing all MATE
stuff from APT and installing MATE entirely from source
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1536 [13:37:50] <dgriffi> I've no idea how to debianify MATE
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1538 [13:38:45] <dgriffi> then there's the problem of you can
no longer change the colors of the window decorations because of a
fundamental change in how GTK3 does theming
1539 [13:39:13] <dgriffi> I've sort of found a solution using
sed, but that's like using a backhoe to kill a fly
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1542 [13:40:10] <FinalX> well, the way you describe things,
changing from MATE 1.16 to MATE 1.18 is not an in-place upgrade as
dependencies and behaviour change.. so now I'm even more
certain it won't make it into the initial stretch release.
backports still remain an option, though, but in that case
you'll have to wait until after stretch's release and
logner.
1543 [13:40:12] <FinalX> longer*
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1555 [13:48:51] <TEX> anyone in here familiar installing Mozilla
Thunderbird in Debian 8.7.1 ?
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1558 [13:49:26] <petn-randall> TEX: Just ask ahead, maybe someone
knowing the answer will respond.
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1563 [13:50:46] <TEX> I have it Working but I do so by creating a
shortcut to the folder. I unzipped it but do not know how to get it
to install and be recognixed by Debian in the Menu Bar
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1566 [13:51:34] <TEX> Historically it was not a problem, this is
Thunderbird 52.0 and something is different
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1569 [13:52:08] <TEX> I am New to Linux and have Searched the
Internet to no avail.
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1574 [13:53:07] <petn-randall> ,v thunderbird
1575 [13:53:07] <TEX> Youtube also....I think it is too New but i
don't get a choice to download an olde version
1576 [13:53:08] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- sid:
1:45.8.0-3; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3
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1578 [13:53:33] <petn-randall> TEX: Thunderbird is called
'icedove' in Debian jessie. Just install that package.
1579 [13:53:37] <petn-randall> ,v icedove
1580 [13:53:38] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 1:45.6.0-2~deb7u1; stretch:
1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:45.8.0-3
1581 [13:53:47] <petn-randall> !why icedove
1582 [13:53:48] <dpkg> Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla
software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla
software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to
let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to
non-trademarked product names. See
replaced-url
1583 [13:53:51] <TEX> I dont want Ice dove....
1584 [13:54:09] <TEX> I have always had Thunderbird and want to
stay with it
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1586 [13:54:30] <TEX> I understand the IceDove issue
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1588 [13:54:33] <petn-randall> TEX: Or install the thunderbird
from mozilla.debian.net, which is by the same people that maintain
the packages in Debian.
1589 [13:54:50] <TEX> let me try that...Thank You
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1595 [13:57:52] <TEX> oops...that is just an info page....
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1597 [14:00:14] <petn-randall> TEX: Ignore the "icedove"
on that page, it needs updating. Adding their repo will give you
access to a thunderbird package.
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1601 [14:02:17] <TEX> do I simply Add the url to the Repository
list in Synaptic?
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1603 [14:02:39] <TEX> And for Section just put Main?
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1607 [14:03:27] <petn-randall> Actually, I take that back. Seems
as though they don't have thunderbird packages for stable,
sorry.
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1609 [14:03:57] <petn-randall> TEX: I'd simply go with
icedove. It's just the name and the logo changed, everything
else is 100%* the same.
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1612 [14:04:56] <FinalX> I never got why Iceweasel and Icedove,
though.. Mozilla branding thing issue with licensing?
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1614 [14:05:19] <TEX> I have the Abilty to Run Thunderbird i just
don't like the way it is setup is all...
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1616 [14:05:54] <TEX> I am getting my email for now...hopefully
they work something out soon
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1618 [14:06:06] <petn-randall> TEX: Those steps aren't
trivial, which is why packages exist.
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1620 [14:07:05] <TEX> They have FireFox so hopefully Thunderbird
is on it's way soon
1621 [14:07:47] <dgriffi> TEX: yes... thunderbird is in Stretch
1622 [14:07:57] <dgriffi> TEX: as opposed to icedove
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1624 [14:08:29] <TEX> I know your advice is Sound...Problem is
Me...I don't like Change. I have been using Thunderbird for
several years now on a Windows PC and I have Grown to Love it.
1625 [14:08:43] <TEX> Great News
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1627 [14:09:09] <TEX> Except i am not having alot of Luck with
Stretch and the Cinnamon DE
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1629 [14:09:16] <dgriffi> TEX: I'm a bit like that too...
which is why I was very quick to jump over to using MATE
1630 [14:09:23] <TEX> Like I say, I don't like Change
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1632 [14:09:52] <TEX> I ran it successfully with KDE and MATE but
I still refer Cinnamon
1633 [14:09:55] <dgriffi> TEX: prior to that, I stuck with fvwm
version 1.24
1634 [14:10:08] <TEX> I need to write those guys and ask them WHAT
is UP....
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1636 [14:10:48] <dgriffi> TEX: the scuttlebutt I heard was that
whoever was objecting to Debian debianifying the Firefox packages
finally gave up
1637 [14:10:57] <TEX> It is a funny thing to me, I can run the
Cinnamon DE in Debian 8.7.1 but Not 9 (Testing)...Why Not???
1638 [14:11:14] <dgriffi> I know nothing of Cinnamon...
1639 [14:11:31] <TEX> I have an AMD/Radeon Video Adaptor
1640 [14:12:01] <TEX> but if it works with Cinnamon in Ver 8.7.1,
it should Also in 9
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1642 [14:12:29] <TEX> but I get error, Software Renedering mode
and it Does Overheat my Laptop
1643 [14:12:54] <TEX> so I switched back to Debian 8.7.1
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1645 [14:13:35] <TEX> I know they cahnge things but Why the Video
Adaptor Compatibilty?
1646 [14:13:51] <TEX> we only have 2 vendors...sheesh
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1648 [14:14:17] <towo^work> you have installed the non-free
firmware for the amd graphics?
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1650 [14:14:25] <TEX> yes
1651 [14:14:45] <towo^work> can you provide a Xorg.0.log?
1652 [14:15:33] <TEX> I am on my Desktop and it works Beautifully
with 8.7.1
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1654 [14:15:45] <TEX> I will if you tell me how...
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1657 [14:16:05] <towo^work> it would only be helpfull from a
system, where it is not working
1658 [14:16:06] <TEX> I am not Seasoned with the commands yet
1659 [14:16:13] <TEX> but working on it
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1668 [14:19:21] <TEX> ok, well it wasn't working in Ver 9
(Testing)
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1670 [14:19:31] <TEX> I have deleted that Distro
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1672 [14:20:18] <TEX> I read where Testing is Frozen but I am
hoping something gets fixed so I can Upgrade to 9
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1676 [14:21:34] <TEX> my Main PC has an AMD/Radeon R7/240 Video
Adapter and I really don't want to have to Replace it
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1680 [14:22:12] <TEX> I am running 8.7.1 and it really works
Nicely and in the Cinnamon DE....
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1686 [14:23:32] <TEX> The Graphics adaptor in my Laptop is an
AMD/Radeon HD 7640G
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1689 [14:23:43] <TEX> that is the one i had trouble with
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1691 [14:24:06] <TEX> I havent tried Testing on this PC yet with
the R7
1692 [14:24:16] <TEX> maybe I need to since it is New
1693 [14:24:29] <sypher> Please take non-support chatter to
offtopic.
1694 [14:24:31] <towo^work> as long as you can't provide
lelevant logfiles from such not working system, no one can help you
1695 [14:24:45] <towo^work> *relevant
1696 [14:25:20] <TEX> he must be Kin to the Ops over in
linixmint-help...
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1699 [14:25:44] <TEX> I understand...just hoping
1700 [14:26:05] <sypher> Secondly, this channel doesn't
provide support to testing. That's elsewhere.
1701 [14:26:18] <TEX> ok ok...drop it
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1705 [14:28:19] <TEX> maybe you should re-read the Topic...I see
testing/unstable
1706 [14:28:47] <TEX> oh maybe your right...I appologize
1707 [14:29:16] <monban> hello, I'm doing Rails development
on a vps running Debian Testing, I want to write a bash script to
(using ufw or something) allow access to port 3000 for only myself,
I think I can figure that part out but is there an easy way to get
the ip address from which I am connecting?
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1709 [14:29:37] <monban> put another way, is there an easy way to
ask Debian what address I'm connecting FROM?
1710 [14:29:44] <TEX> #debian-next is Invite-Only
1711 [14:29:54] <tremon> #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
1712 [14:30:19] <TEX> I don't know how to get there from here
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1714 [14:31:32] <blackflow> monban: the (ssh) logs will usually
have the entry, but if I understood you correctly, you want to allow
any IP, and after you connect, limit access only to that IP?
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1716 [14:31:54] <TEX> Found it...
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1719 [14:32:35] <monban> blackflow: well the ports are different,
so ssh should be allowed from anywhere, but once I'm in and
start my rails server (which runs on port 3000) I want to whitelist
port 3000 from ONLY the ip address that the current ssh session is
coming from
1720 [14:32:38] <monban> if that makes sense?
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1722 [14:32:54] <blackflow> yes. check journalctl -n -u
ssh.service
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1724 [14:33:06] <tremon> monban: something like curl
replaced-url
1725 [14:34:03] <tremon> why open the port at all? why not use
port forwarding over ssh and bind the rails app to localhost?
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1729 [14:34:29] <blackflow> monban: also consider a mechanism
similar to ssh port knocking. Eg, you allow access only to a
specific (very hard to guess) URL, and after you reach it, your
application can allow further access to the IP that requested the
URL. Note that it makes sense only over encrypted connection.
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1731 [14:34:51] <RA3OR> adams.freenode.net
1732 [14:35:10] <monban> tremon: so the curl gives me the ip of
the vps, which isn't what I need, but I like what you're
thinking with the ssh tunnel, that makes a lot of sense, means the
traffic from the rails server is encrypted and protected by the ssh
tunnel as well, right?
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1734 [14:36:33] <blackflow> monban: yes, like a vpn
1735 [14:36:35] <tremon> yes, it is. see man ssh, option -L
(forward local port to remote)
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1740 [14:37:10] <monban> but I also like blackflow's idea of
grabbing the ip address from the log, then just sticking it in an
environment variable immediately after login
1741 [14:37:39] <tremon> you already have that btw, $SSH_CLIENT
1742 [14:37:46] <blackflow> monban: nah, if you're relying on
ssh, the socks proxy is really the simplest solution
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1745 [14:38:07] <monban> I can just put in my .profile to do the
journalctl -n -u ssh.service pipe that to tail and look for
'Accepted publickey'
1746 [14:38:12] <blackflow> SSH_CLIENT, TIL
1747 [14:38:21] <Eszett_> Hi! I have a question.. is it possible
the language of a installed Debian afterwards ?
1748 [14:38:31] <monban> oh wow $SSH_CLIENT that's... really
easy...
1749 [14:38:35] <Eszett_> I have it "german", but like
to have it back to english
1750 [14:38:37] <tw> also SSH_CONNECTION if you need both sides.
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1752 [14:39:23] <monban> hmm, okay so $SSH_CLIENT is the really
easy solution, but I still might look at doing the ssh port
forwarding because it encrypts the traffic just for the extra
security, really good options all, thanks much to you both
1753 [14:39:32] <tw> It doesn't help if MITM can NAT your
packets though.
1754 [14:39:37] <towo^work> Eszett_, dpkg-reconfigure locales
&& dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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1758 [14:40:04] <tw> you're better off with ssh -D or -L and
forwarding the connection inside ssh.
1759 [14:40:18] <Eszett_> towo: ah? let me see
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1764 [14:42:21] <dionysus69> how does libvirt/kvm/qemu (dunno what
all those mean together) compare to virtualbox in terms of
performance?
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1766 [14:42:49] <dionysus69> one thing I know is that virtualbox
is much more userfriendly, but do I get penalized in terms of
performance?
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1769 [14:43:40] <tw> If you're going to do desktop things,
use vbox; it's faster to configure if you like clicking. If
you're going to run server things, use qemu/kvm.
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1771 [14:45:18] <blackflow> virt-manager is not a bad GUI for
KVM/qemu either.
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1777 [14:48:11] <dionysus69> blackflow: yes thats what I am using
virt-manager
1778 [14:48:20] <dionysus69> but there are gotchas like requires
root to run etc etc
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1780 [14:48:41] <blackflow> dionysus69: kvm is the kernel virtual
machine subsystem for virtualization, requires hardware support
(pretty much any intel/amd cpu since few years ago). qemu is
virtualization/emulation software that utilizes kvm. libvirt is a
library of virtualization functions used by various virtualization
programs.
1781 [14:48:43] <tw> they're probably pretty close for perf.
You still have to play with both to get reasonable io performance. I
don't think you can force hugepages with vbox either, so you
have the extra pagetable lookups.
1782 [14:48:43] <dionysus69> I assume its a better solution to run
headless
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1784 [14:49:18] <blackflow> dionysus69: iirc, you can make your
user part of libvirtd group and wouldn't need root
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1787 [14:50:04] <dionysus69> how is the command for that again ?
:D
1788 [14:50:09] <dionysus69> for adding user to group :D
1789 [14:50:42] <blackflow> usermod -a -G libvirtd youruser but
check the group, I'm not 100% it's the correct name,
it's been a while since I used it last
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1793 [14:51:40] <dionysus69> blackflow: just libvirtd was enough
now doesn't need root :D :)
1794 [14:51:43] <dionysus69> thanks so much!
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1798 [14:52:36] <blackflow> dionysus69: ah, libvirt and kvm,
according to this:
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1804 [14:54:51] <dionysus69> ok added to kvm too :)
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1808 [14:57:16] <thereyougo> so I got my PC hibernated, using
pm-hibernate, and it had USB flash drive attached, and after it woke
up, I go this in dmessg:
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1809 [14:57:22] <thereyougo> "I/O error", is it
important ? also, now its few hours as I turned PC on, and I use
files from that flash drive without any errors
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1847 [15:14:07] <Lachezar> Hello all. When installing certain
packages (say docker.io) purging them does not clean all changes
made to the OS when installing. Is there any way to monitor/audit
such changes, and eventually allow real cleanup?
1848 [15:14:15] <Lachezar> s/real/complete/
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1859 [15:21:11] <ackb> can I activate stretch/testing for just one
package like lftp?
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1869 [15:24:35] <sypher> ackb: No. Backport the package.
1870 [15:24:37] <sypher> !ssb
1871 [15:24:37] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1875 [15:25:21] <ackb> sypher, but I could activate the testing
repo and do install -t testing for that package right?
1876 [15:25:42] <zykotick9> ackb: NOT a good idea. see "/msg
dpkg frankendebian"
1877 [15:25:45] <ackb> that would only pull stable/testing
dependencies for that package, not testing for the whole system?
1878 [15:25:54] <sypher> ackb: Again, no. Do that at your own
risk, and we will NOT support the resulting broken system.
1879 [15:26:05] <sypher> !dontbreakdebian
1880 [15:26:06] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is
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1885 [15:27:06] <ackb> what about backports? does it provide a
newer version of lftp?
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1887 [15:27:18] <Devastator> !checkbackport lftp
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1889 [15:27:23] <sypher> ackb: First, do you actually need the
newer version?
1890 [15:27:27] <sypher> ,check-backport lftp
1891 [15:27:28] <judd> Backporting package lftp in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
1892 [15:27:34] <sypher> ,v lftp
1893 [15:27:35] <judd> Package: lftp on amd64 -- wheezy:
4.3.6-1+deb7u2; jessie: 4.6.0-1+deb8u1; stretch: 4.7.4-1; sid:
4.7.7-1
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1908 [15:33:04] <ackb> lftp 4.6.0 in jessie is from 2014...there
are a lot of fixes/additions. See
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1910 [15:35:03] <nkuttler> ackb: debian backports important fixes
to stable
1911 [15:35:31] <sypher> That doesn't really establish a
need. What new feature do you need that doesn't exist in
stable?
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1929 [15:40:57] <Tom01> many
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1934 [15:42:05] <Jubei> Hello everyone. netstat shows me on port
4433 python is listening. How can I found exactly what service is
this? (I'm running Deluge, a torrent client written in Python
on this box)
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1937 [15:42:58] <sypher> Jubei: netstat is deprecated.
'ss' with the -p flag will indicate the attached process.
1938 [15:43:07] <Jubei> sypher thank you
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1943 [15:44:37] <mason> Hi all. Just checking - I don't see
an update for Wheezy for
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1946 [15:45:37] <petn-randall> mason: Security support for wheezy
ended quite a while ago.
1947 [15:45:42] <petn-randall> !wheezy-lts
1948 [15:45:42] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
replaced-url
1949 [15:45:58] <petn-randall> mason: However, there's still
an LTS team that might cover it. See above.
1950 [15:46:08] <petn-randall> Also relevant:
1951 [15:46:12] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
1952 [15:46:12] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability
database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at
replaced-url
1953 [15:46:13] <mason> I'm on LTS, but I didn't see any
discussion about any version of Debian. Was curious.
1954 [15:46:22] <mason> ah, ty, didn't know that one
1955 [15:46:34] <mason> Is that new?
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1959 [15:47:32] <petn-randall> mason: It's already been there
for a few years. You can look up CVEs there.
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1961 [15:47:39] <mason> Very cool. Thank you.
1962 [15:47:40] <petn-randall> cve lookup CVE-2016-10229
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1964 [15:47:48] <mason> AND A BOT!
1965 [15:47:50] <petn-randall> !cve lookup CVE-2016-10229
1966 [15:47:51] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory
CVE-2016-10229 may be found at
replaced-url
1967 [15:47:58] <petn-randall> Looks like it's fixed.
1968 [15:48:05] <mason> cool
1969 [15:48:34] <petn-randall> mason: You're welcome!
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1977 [15:51:34] <tw> Why is netstat deprecated? Is it some api
that is going away?
1978 [15:52:06] <sypher> tw: The maintainers said to stop using
the net-tools suite about a decade ago?
1979 [15:52:08] <mason> tw: I believe the Linux world is moving
towards the ip suite.
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1982 [15:52:35] <sypher> s/is moving/has moved/
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1987 [15:53:18] <Release_> is this the correct package for pcre :
apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev
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1990 [15:53:30] <Release_> regex
1991 [15:53:44] <tw> Well, I guess if it gets dropped,
there's always busybox netstat.
1992 [15:54:09] <mason> tw: It ought to work into the indefinite
future.
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1994 [15:54:32] <sypher> The correct answer is to learn the
iproute2 equivalent commands and use them.
1995 [15:54:41] <sypher> ip, ss, etc.
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1997 [15:55:10] <jer0me> hey there, running jessie with the latest
kernel from bakcports, I have been facing these weird issue where X
is still running and active, but unresponsive to mouse and keyboard
events. I can't click, type, nothing. I see nothing in the logs
either. Any hint?
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1999 [15:55:54] <mason> Have a good day, all, and thank you again
for the pointers, petn-randall! o/
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2004 [15:56:42] <sypher> tw:
replaced-url
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2015 [15:58:46] <tw> I like the new options flags for ss, but for
an inspection tool I would have to use frequently, I'd rather
use the one that works on every computer I've been on for the
last ~20 years. the ip command makes sense because it's more
verb/clause based, but flag memorization isn't fun.
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2018 [16:00:30] <tw> actually, I take that back, all of the flags
I use from netstat work directly in ss, it's just slightly
different output.
2019 [16:00:35] <tw> ignore me, moving on.
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2022 [16:01:18] <tw> except for -r, that's completely
different.
2023 [16:01:22] <sypher> tw: As I said, learn the new commands. ;)
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2026 [16:01:45] <sypher> tw: I say this because net-tools is NOT a
standard installation component anymore on a growing number of
platforms.
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2037 [16:04:19] <Iridos> D:
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2042 [16:05:23] <tjt263> tw: what are the new thing?
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2049 [16:08:45] <tw> tjt263: See sypher's link. It's
only deprecated on linux systems though, and will probably continue
to work for long enough that I'll have forgotten the old
commands exists.
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2051 [16:09:26] <tjt263> whats deprecated?
2052 [16:09:33] <tw> netstat, ifconfig, etc.
2053 [16:09:37] <tw> net-tools
2054 [16:09:55] <tjt263> oh i didnt know they were part of the
same package
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2057 [16:10:47] <tjt263> dealing with interfaces is easier with
ifconfig imo
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2061 [16:11:26] <sypher> tjt263: I feel like we're missing
the message here. You SHOULD be learning the new tools. They're
actually a lot easier once you learn them.
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2065 [16:12:08] <tjt263> i learned them at least 2 years ago
2066 [16:12:29] <tjt263> not full bottle though
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2071 [16:13:45] <tjt263> but i wasnt here for the first part of
the conversation, so i dont know what that point was that you
mentioned
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2074 [16:14:28] <tjt263> i just spoke my thought
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2076 [16:15:42] <tjt263> i like the old ways and new
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2079 [16:16:46] <tjt263> i still use ifconfig wlan0 down /
ifconfig wlan0 up, etc..
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2082 [16:17:52] <tjt263> i was just setting up my first wifi
hotspot with hostapd so i've been using it a lot this week
2083 [16:18:01] <BluesKaj> sudo dhclient solves alot of disconnect
issues IME
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2085 [16:18:38] <tjt263> BluesKaj: talking to me?
2086 [16:18:53] <BluesKaj> tjt263: merely commenting
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2089 [16:19:41] <tjt263> to this conversation though, right? or
something from earlier?
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2091 [16:20:14] <BluesKaj> about ifconfig yes
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2094 [16:21:08] <BluesKaj> they're still valid commands
tjt263
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2098 [16:21:27] <BluesKaj> comands
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2100 [16:21:49] <tjt263> so, you're saying restarting the
dhcp client often helps you with disconnect issues?
2101 [16:21:58] <BluesKaj> oops I was right the first time,
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2103 [16:22:07] <BluesKaj> yes
2104 [16:22:14] <tjt263> cool
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2108 [16:23:02] <tjt263> i was going to add something, but i ws
thnking fro the servers perspective
2109 [16:23:03] <tjt263> i often use rfkill
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2112 [16:23:25] <tjt263> with wireless onnections
2113 [16:23:38] <BluesKaj> tjt263: works well with users who use
the interfaces and resolv.conf files in place of network manager
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2115 [16:24:27] <BluesKaj> wifi is bit clunky without NM
2116 [16:24:45] <tjt263> /etc/network/interfaces you referring to?
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2118 [16:24:56] <tjt263> i think thats right
2119 [16:25:00] <BluesKaj> yes
2120 [16:25:27] <BluesKaj> ok BBL , gotta check other stuuf for
few mins
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2122 [16:25:34] <tjt263> so, without network manager, you use
wpa_supplicant?
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2124 [16:26:05] <tjt263> im still new to the non network manager
way
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2126 [16:26:36] <tjt263> getting there
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2129 [16:27:31] <firebalrog> yes wpa_supplicant is what you use
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2132 [16:28:01] <firebalrog> The conf file is unfortunately case
sensitive and a newline in the wrong place can cause problems we
found
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2134 [16:28:17] <tjt263> firebalrog: yeah, that's right
2135 [16:28:36] <tjt263> i think that applies to ost config files
though
2136 [16:28:40] <tjt263> most
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2139 [16:29:41] <tjt263> i had the same issue with, i think
/etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
2140 [16:31:25] <tjt263> or /etc/dnsmaq.conf
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2144 [16:33:33] <tjt263> and /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/rc.local,
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, just going back over my
notes
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2174 [16:56:31] <Schaffen> this is weird... my fresh debian
install didn't come with 'make'
2175 [16:56:37] <Schaffen> I gotta compile this network driver to
access the internet, so I can't use package manager to install
stuff
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2179 [16:59:19] <tw> Is it possible to compile the network driver
elsewhere, and copy to the target machine? That might be easier.
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2183 [17:00:51] <jelly> Schaffen: which network driver for which
card?
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2188 [17:02:22] <Schaffen> I think the card is RTL8111
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2221 [17:07:57] <Schaffen> I guess I could compile, but I'm
installing linux on my machine just to compile C
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2397 [17:11:23] <Schaffen> unless I figure out a way to compile C
over the web, or on my phone
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2400 [17:11:27] <Schaffen> ho boy, why isn't make included in
the main distro, that's silly :(
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2427 [17:12:25] <`Kevin> Schaffen: thats an option you choose
during installation
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2453 [17:16:34] <maxxe> is stretch close?
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2457 [17:18:13] <sypher> maxxe:
replaced-url
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2461 [17:18:26] <sypher> maxxe: "Number concerning the next
release" is the key number there.
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2465 [17:19:03] <jelly> !wwsr
2466 [17:19:03] <dpkg> Well... it's starting to get
distinctly chilly... Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
<stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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2469 [17:19:24] <maxxe> sypher, ok, seems to be some time to wait
2470 [17:19:39] <sypher> maxxe: You're not the only one antsy
for the release, trust me. :)
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2478 [17:21:41] <BluesKaj> sypher: i've been running stretch
for about a month without any problems at all
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2480 [17:21:51] <maxxe> sypher, debian beats a lot of OSes in my
opinion. changed to debian on my server too. before it ran openbsd
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2483 [17:22:30] <sypher> BluesKaj: I run stretch in a VM for a
desktop and its great. My servers need to remain on stable.
2484 [17:22:45] * BluesKaj nods
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2489 [17:23:40] <sypher> maxxe: And I wholeheartedly agree. I run
RHEL at work, and I have more problems with that than with Debian.
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2506 [17:28:42] <Threygoo> Where are the DVD images beyond #1 ? I
don't see them anymore for stable, although they are in the
checksum files.
2507 [17:29:54] <alekz> Threygoo: amd64?
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2509 [17:29:57] <cruncher> Threygoo, still there
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2510 [17:30:19] <alekz> there you go Threygoo
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2512 [17:30:27] <jhutchins_wk> Threygoo: What do you need
that's not on 1?
2513 [17:30:33] <Threygoo> Ooops, clicked on ARM64 instead of
AMD64
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2515 [17:30:36] <alekz> I'd rather to download via torrent,
you can find those here:
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2516 [17:30:42] <Threygoo> Thanks
2517 [17:30:45] <alekz> np
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2522 [17:32:55] <jhutchins_wk> Torrents might not be well seeded
at this point in the release calendar.
2523 [17:33:13] <jhutchins_wk> ...although we did just get a point
release.
2524 [17:33:21] <jhutchins_wk> Or are about to...
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2530 [17:34:34] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, 8.8 will release on 6 May.
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2560 [17:41:45] <theluckymike> anyone with a hint on how to make
xfreerdp to ignore win key?
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2649 [18:19:38] <plasmoduck> Im just wondering if and how I can
use my lg monitors screen split feature on linux
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2827 [18:38:34] <Cl0udN9ne> hey guys how do i fix my locale?
2828 [18:38:43] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- this thing
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2836 [18:39:35] <jhutchins_wk> !locale
2837 [18:39:35] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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2840 [18:40:02] <Cl0udN9ne> !<locales>
2841 [18:40:14] <Cl0udN9ne> !locales
2842 [18:40:15] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to
get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and
also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment
variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the
output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised
errors>. See also <mac locales>.
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2852 [18:42:30] <msl09> hello
2853 [18:42:43] <msl09> what could be causing my windows to smear
2854 [18:42:48] <msl09> when I drag them?
2855 [18:42:57] <msl09> I using xfce btw
2856 [18:43:23] <Papillon> you might try ##linux, are you using an
accelerated driver for your graphics card?
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2858 [18:43:44] <Cl0udN9ne> what locale should i choose?
2859 [18:43:55] <msl09> I'm using the kernel driver
2860 [18:43:57] <Papillon> the one appropriate to you?
2861 [18:43:58] <Cl0udN9ne> en_US.UTF-8 ?
2862 [18:43:58] <msl09> I think
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2864 [18:44:09] <msl09> hold on
2865 [18:44:28] <Papillon> if you're using us english that
one would be a suitable choice
2866 [18:44:35] <teraflops> Cl0udN9ne: how the hell are we
supposed to know that? telepathy?
2867 [18:44:48] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- could it solve this?
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2869 [18:45:11] <Papillon> try enus utf8, it couldn't kill
you
2870 [18:45:17] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
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2872 [18:46:19] <Papillon>
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2875 [18:46:32] <msl09> yeah I'm not using the proprietary
driver
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2877 [18:47:00] <Papillon> the appropriate open source driver
should work
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2879 [18:47:11] <msl09> I'm using the kernel 4.9 support for
ATI
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2881 [18:47:49] <msl09> with the proprietary firmware
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2883 [18:47:57] <msl09> because I couldn't configure the
monitor without it
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2886 [18:48:38] <msl09> firmware-amd-graphics
2887 [18:49:46] <Papillon> if you don't get an answer here
try ##linux, but are you sure your xorg server is using the radeon
driver or whatever?
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2890 [18:50:29] <msl09> nope
2891 [18:50:34] <msl09> how do I check that?
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2894 [18:51:19] <Papillon> try asking in ##linux or googling it
2895 [18:51:31] <SepticTank> .
2896 [18:51:31] <Papillon> I think there's an xconfig?
2897 [18:51:39] <Papillon> you could also try like man x or man
x.org?
2898 [18:51:43] <Papillon> or man xconfig
2899 [18:52:43] <jhutchins_wk> Papillon: ##linux is unlikely to be
helpful.
2900 [18:52:47] <teraflops> msl09: start by identifying your gpu
model. then search whether it's supported by radeon or not.
amdgpu is a thing now too.
2901 [18:52:56] <Papillon> why?
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2905 [18:53:15] <msl09> yeah I can see it's using amdgpu from
dmesg
2906 [18:53:24] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: What do you mean by
smearing?
2907 [18:53:37] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: Does the image linger after
you move the window?
2908 [18:53:54] <msl09> hmmm
2909 [18:53:59] <msl09> I should be more specific
2910 [18:54:08] <jhutchins_wk> Papillon: Too many of the
components are debian specific.
2911 [18:54:12] <teraflops> ,v llvm
2912 [18:54:13] <judd> Package: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; sid: 1:3.8-34+nmu1; stretch:
1:3.8-34+nmu1
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2915 [18:54:38] <msl09> I can see the window image being teared
down and then being redrawn
2916 [18:55:00] <msl09> when I move it
2917 [18:55:03] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: So it's a sort of
visual lag?
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2919 [18:55:10] <msl09> yes
2920 [18:55:30] <msl09> components inside it are quite fast
2921 [18:55:38] <teraflops> msl09: is amdgpu module loaded?
2922 [18:56:34] <Cl0udN9ne> guys whatever locale i choose,the
problem of ¨ doesnt go
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2924 [18:56:48] <msl09> yes
2925 [18:56:56] <Cl0udN9ne> i tried en_US.UTF-8 and en_In
2926 [18:57:00] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: You are assuming that we
see something that is a problem. I see two dots.
2927 [18:57:24] <SepticTank> is it possible to install from
USB(install) to USB?
2928 [18:57:39] <msl09> SepticTank: yes
2929 [18:57:45] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Think about the fact
that you're not pasting an image, you're pasting a UTF
code that is being rendered by our local display.
2930 [18:58:25] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Running from USB is
likely to be unacceptably slow unless you use an optimized live
imge.
2931 [18:58:43] <Cl0udN9ne> but i hav in my text file the same UTF
code tht is rendered the way it should be
2932 [18:58:46] <SepticTank> i'm using live and it's
still slow
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2935 [18:58:57] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Yes, it will be.
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2937 [18:59:10] <msl09> let me test if it's firefox
that's causing the problem
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2940 [18:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Where is it not rendered
correctly?
2941 [18:59:45] <SepticTank> i read that linux runs in ram memory
that's why it's slow
2942 [18:59:55] <Cl0udN9ne> ¨ <- here
2943 [18:59:59] <SepticTank> so run it in usb instead helps?
2944 [19:00:02] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: That would actually
make it very fast.
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2947 [19:00:19] <teraflops> SepticTank: no, it should be faster
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2949 [19:00:44] <jhutchins_wk> SepticTank: Running from USB would
be slower than running from RAM, that's one of the
optimizations used for live images.
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2952 [19:01:07] <msl09> well it is not firefox
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2955 [19:01:17] <msl09> also I have a correction to make
2956 [19:01:20] <teraflops> SepticTank: if you want to install
debian persistently in USB you better use usb 3.0
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2958 [19:01:42] <SepticTank> i'm using a laptop without hard
drive and can't afford any so right now i'm using live and
it's slow
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2962 [19:01:51] <msl09> some components in some windows also cause
problems
2963 [19:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: So it's not
rendering correctly in your IRC client. We do not know what you are
seeing or what you think you should be seeing.
2964 [19:01:58] <teraflops> msl09: amdgpu should just work in
stretch
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2967 [19:02:10] <msl09> I'm using jessie with backports
2968 [19:02:25] <teraflops> msl09: no idea then
2969 [19:02:25] <Cl0udN9ne> jhutchins_wk not just irc client also
vim
2970 [19:02:44] <Cl0udN9ne> i need tht symbol to make a comment in
my code
2971 [19:03:04] <teraflops> msl09: because e.g mesa
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2974 [19:03:52] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Doe it make a difference
if you run it in a console vs. a terminal window on X?
2975 [19:04:06] <Cl0udN9ne> no
2976 [19:04:27] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: Have you tried
alternative terminal emulators?
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2978 [19:04:40] <teraflops> ಠ_à²
2979 [19:04:53] <jhutchins_wk> Cl0udN9ne: What applications
display the character correctly?
2980 [19:04:55] <Cl0udN9ne> well on X if i do it inside gnome
without manually changing the locale from the status bar then it
doesnt make a difference
2981 [19:04:57] <teraflops> Cl0udN9ne: setup your locales
correctly also your keyboard
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2983 [19:05:16] <Cl0udN9ne> jhutchins_wk: none i hav tried so far
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2986 [19:06:07] <jhutchins_wk> How do you know that the character
is something other than what you are seeing?
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2988 [19:06:33] <Cl0udN9ne> bcoz i know what character tht
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3195 [20:23:34] <msl09> turns out I was not using x11
jessie-backports driver
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3198 [20:23:40] <msl09> so I upgraded it
3199 [20:23:54] <msl09> rebooted and lightdm could no longer start
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3202 [20:24:46] <msl09> I had to blacklist amdgpu to make the
system start
3203 [20:24:46] <msl09> what now...
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3256 [20:41:11] <msl09> ok I managed to revert the driver to
jessies version
3257 [20:41:21] <msl09> and now I can login
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3261 [20:44:22] <zero71> i can
3262 [20:44:23] <msl09> I also got a log of the xorg error
3263 [20:44:25] <msl09>
replaced-url
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3266 [20:45:08] <zero71> i can't install
'build-essential' on debian 8.6.0
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3268 [20:45:32] <mtn> zero71: why not? what errors?
3269 [20:45:44] <zero71> i get package has no installation
candidat
3270 [20:45:55] <zykotick9> zero71: when you installed, did you
have internet?
3271 [20:46:17] <zero71> it's on virtual machine
3272 [20:46:41] <zero71> pre made hard disk
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3278 [20:47:15] <TomTomTo1> zero71: paste the contents of
/etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net, please.
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3281 [20:47:37] <zero71> ok
3282 [20:48:52] <zero71> actially i can't because i
can't install the guest addition without the build-essentials
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3284 [20:49:16] <zero71> i can't copy to host machine
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3286 [20:50:43] <TomTomTo1> then do this and give us the url it
returns. cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F c=@-
replaced-url
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3303 [20:53:44] <dontknow> hey. i want to use netstat but it is
not installed on my system. what package should i install to get
netstat?
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3305 [20:54:54] <msl09> $ apt-cache search netstat
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3307 [20:55:56] <dontknow> "netstat-nat - tool that display
NAT connections" should i install this?
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3309 [20:56:41] <TomTomTo1> no, it's in the net-tools
package, which comes preinstalled on debian systems.
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3312 [20:57:10] <TomTomTo1> apt-file search bin/netstat is a
batter was if you are looking for a specific binary.
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3314 [20:57:13] <petn-randall> dontknow: If you install
'command-not-found', it will automatically tell you which
package to install if you try to run a command that's
unavailable.
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3316 [20:57:32] <TomTomTo1> ,file */bin/netstat
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3318 [20:57:36] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
3319 [20:57:41] <TomTomTo1> grr.
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3321 [20:58:03] <petn-randall> ,file /bin/netstat
3322 [20:58:06] <judd> Search for /bin/netstat in jessie/amd64:
net-tools: bin/netstat
3323 [20:58:09] <petn-randall> :)
3324 [20:58:23] <petn-randall> probably this would have worked,
too:
3325 [20:58:29] <dontknow> TomTomTo1, and others, thanks
3326 [20:58:31] <petn-randall> ,file *bin/netstat
3327 [20:58:34] <judd> Search for *bin/netstat in jessie/amd64:
net-tools: bin/netstat
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3330 [20:59:01] <dontknow> i was on testing. it doesn't come
by default :p
3331 [20:59:11] <TomTomTo1> wonder why the other didn't.
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3335 [20:59:22] <zero71> TomTomTo1 this is the url
replaced-url
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3337 [20:59:49] <TomTomTo1> dpkg: jessie sources.list
3338 [20:59:49] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
3339 [20:59:56] <TomTomTo1> zero71: you are missing a line ^
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3341 [21:00:25] <zykotick9> zero71: <note for next time> if
you install wihtout networking, you get that broken sources.list by
default :(
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3345 [21:00:53] <zero71> ok. will add the lines
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3399 [21:26:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> can I force chromium to save a
password when it's somehow not detectecting the field?
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3406 [21:28:05] <jhutchins_wk> CutMeOwnThroat: Even if you could,
it wouldn't sense the field to auto-fill it.
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3409 [21:28:29] <jhutchins_wk> CutMeOwnThroat: iirc there is a
mechanism that allows the page to prevent saving the password.
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3417 [21:32:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> jhutchins_wk, actually…
not necessarily true… it can still detect that there is a
field… and also… I have a counter example
3418 [21:32:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> sogo is a webmail
application… and browsers cannot save the password for it
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3420 [21:32:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> I wrote a small greasemonkey
script that allows saving it… or some javascript you execute
in the url, I cannot rememer
3421 [21:32:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> and it now fills it fine
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3425 [21:33:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> I actually cannot remember how
exactly I did it :(
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3431 [21:36:39] <anotherus3r> Hello every time I boot debian, I
get the following message. Do you know why?
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3433 [21:36:41] <anotherus3r>
replaced-url
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3450 [21:44:52] <anotherus3r> anyone?
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3454 [21:46:19] <mtn> anotherus3r: something to do with
encryption?
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3458 [21:47:28] <anotherus3r> mtn: I see
3459 [21:47:29] <anotherus3r> Is it possible to tell if hard drive
is full disk encrypted?
3460 [21:47:43] <mtn> anotherus3r: sorry, I don't do
encryption
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3465 [21:48:29] <tw> that looks encrypted to me.
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3475 [21:52:27] <ijsh0rn> Hello
3476 [21:52:38] <sine0> ok I have a headless remote server with
debian, and I want to install a windows 7 for remote access. can i
install and view the gui installation remotely or is that a mess.
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3484 [21:54:39] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Are you replacing the debian
install with Windows?
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3487 [21:55:03] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Also, why windows?
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3492 [21:56:18] <sine0> hell no, virtual machine scenario. why
windows? a million reasons.
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3494 [21:56:49] <sine0> a. bespoke windows software, b. I want to
allow remote access for my partner
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3496 [21:57:16] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Remote access is highly
available on Linux.
3497 [21:57:16] <sine0> and we all know what linux is like to
people who can barely use windows
3498 [21:57:29] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: You could always try the
Windows software in WINE.
3499 [21:58:04] <sine0> I have a large amount of windows software
that would not work through WINE as its a bit of a logistical
nightmare, we all know that.
3500 [21:58:12] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Linux can be very usable by
low-skill users if it's well supported.
3501 [21:58:36] <sine0> if it was just for her I would just have a
real basic desktop with gnome or something and be done with it
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3507 [21:59:43] <sine0> let me not bore you with the details why
and focus on the how.
3508 [21:59:44] <sypher> This is rapidly turning into an example
of why knowing all of the requirements beforehand is necessary for
proper advice.
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3511 [22:00:35] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Just looking for ways to do
it.
3512 [22:00:54] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Do you have a GUI on the
server?
3513 [22:01:00] <sine0> no just cli
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3515 [22:01:17] <sine0> i never install gui on my server so far as
not had the need.
3516 [22:01:20] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: What are you using for
virtualization.
3517 [22:01:58] <sine0> Im not sure but on my locals and laptops I
have always used virtualbox and sometimes I grab a version of VMware
but I prefer the former.
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3519 [22:02:24] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: ime virtualbox performs
better on desktop grade hardware.
3520 [22:02:54] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Have you ever built a
Windows VM without a GUI for the hypervisor?
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3522 [22:03:14] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: I'm trying to imagine
how you would run a Windows install without graphics.
3523 [22:03:39] <qqx> sine0: virt-manager can manage libvirt+kvm
over an ssh connection, including the display portion.
3524 [22:03:45] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: I'm thinking you could
run the VB GUI with the display forwarded, that would allow you to
see and control the install.
3525 [22:03:57] <qqx> No idea if it would perform well enough
though.
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3527 [22:04:27] <qqx> I've only used that to get systems to
the point where I can ssh directly to the VM.
3528 [22:04:29] <jhutchins_wk> qqx: Just enough to get through the
install/config.
3529 [22:04:40] <sine0> jhutchins_wk: no I have not built a VM
without GUI, thats why im asking here
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3531 [22:05:02] <sine0> what if i were to install it here onto a
vdi and then rsync it over
3532 [22:05:18] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: That's cheating, but
yeah.
3533 [22:05:21] <sine0> lol
3534 [22:05:37] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Still, how do you manage the
remote VM?
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3536 [22:05:51] <sine0> what do you mean how do i manage the rmote
vm?
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3538 [22:05:57] <sine0> there isnt one yet.
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3543 [22:06:56] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Right. I've only used
the vb gui to manage machines, I don't know about managing them
via console.
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3549 [22:08:40] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Ok, it appears that you can
in fact install and run vb without a gui.
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3552 [22:08:57] <jhutchins_wk> sine0:
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3555 [22:10:07] <jhutchins_wk> Cool, the virtualbox extensions
include a remote desktop server.
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3559 [22:13:04] <sine0> sweet
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3567 [22:16:57] <sine0> well thanks for all the googling
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3569 [22:17:28] <sine0> and i dont mean that sarcastically. thanks
for putting a few minutes of your time in to crack heads, qqx
included.
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3573 [22:18:21] <msl09> well in the end I installed stretch to
solve the ati problem
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3576 [22:20:37] <jhutchins_wk> sine0: Thanks for an interesting
question!
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3590 [22:26:59] <Mathisen> anyone that can help me, how to solve
this
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3591 [22:27:13] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: Please summarize the
problem.
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3593 [22:27:42] <Mathisen> well i installed ufw im configuring a
open vpn server on a digitalocean droplet
3594 [22:27:54] <Mathisen> and when i run ufw allow ssh
3595 [22:27:55] <Mathisen> i get that
3596 [22:28:11] <sypher> Mathisen: Tip: You're overpaying on
DO.
3597 [22:28:25] <sypher> Mathisen: That may also be related to
some custom kernel or something they're running, I'm not
sure.
3598 [22:28:38] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: You should probably
contact them.
3599 [22:29:14] <jhutchins_wk> sypher: That would not happen on a
normal, updated Debian install.
3600 [22:29:19] <sypher> jhutchins_wk: Correct.
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3602 [22:29:29] <Mathisen> well i has not rebooted for over 1 year
3603 [22:29:30] <jhutchins_wk> sypher: Er, Mathisen ^
3604 [22:29:31] <sypher> jhutchins_wk: Hence my comment about a
custom kernel.
3605 [22:29:41] <Mathisen> if i do that it may help i guess ?
3606 [22:29:55] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: I would ask them
specifically about ipv6 support.
3607 [22:30:12] <jhutchins_wk> Although, shouldn't you be
able to run ufw without ipv6?
3608 [22:30:19] <sypher> jhutchins_wk: They support ipv6, and yes.
3609 [22:30:25] <Mathisen> i dont care about ipv6 realy
3610 [22:30:25] <qqx> In my experience DO doesn't support
IPv6.
3611 [22:30:31] <sypher> qqx: They do.
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3614 [22:30:40] <qqx> sypher: Not for some things.
3615 [22:30:41] <jhutchins_wk> These things change.
3616 [22:31:00] <qqx> Specifically, they block outbound
connections to all mail-related ports.
3617 [22:31:09] <jhutchins_wk> qqx: ipv6 doesn't support ipv6
for some things. There's a whole page of "not yet
implemented" stuff in the specs.
3618 [22:31:12] <sypher> qqx: That's a firewall, not ipv6.
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3622 [22:31:25] <sypher> Do they have globally-routable ipv6
connectivity? Yes.
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3624 [22:31:44] <qqx> sypher: It's their firewall rules for
IPv6.
3625 [22:31:53] <sypher> Anyway, none of this is relevant. That
error is an artifact of DO, not a Debian issue.
3626 [22:32:25] <Mathisen> so any ideas what i can do beside
contact them ?
3627 [22:32:25] <sypher> qqx: Okay, that's still called A
FIREWALL. That's not some "lack of support,"
that's called traffic restrictions. Bicker about minutae with
someone else.
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3630 [22:32:38] <Mathisen> that will take time and would like to
have this done tonight
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3635 [22:33:08] <sypher> Mathisen: Make sure you're fully up
to date, restart the system to ensure that you're running an up
to date kernel. Also ensure that you're booting from the
system's own kernel, not a DO kernel.
3636 [22:33:12] <control0> Hello. If I edit /etc/crypttab, do I
need to regenerate initramfs to "apply" the changes?
3637 [22:33:17] <sypher> Mathisen: If you're booting from a
DO kernel, it might cause the issue you're seeing.
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3640 [22:34:07] <Mathisen> sypher, so kernels are above my little
head to be honest how to check that and how to make it boot from it
own then
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3642 [22:34:20] <sypher> Mathisen: What's the output of
'uname -a'?
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3644 [22:34:35] <Mathisen> Linux debzi 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP
Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3645 [22:34:48] <sypher> Mathisen: Yeah, you need to run updates
on that system.
3646 [22:35:08] <sypher> Mathisen: Fully update, and reboot.
3647 [22:35:10] <Mathisen> 23:35:02 up 362 days, 22:29,
3648 [22:35:42] <Mathisen> okej what is the default ufw settings
btw
3649 [22:35:50] <Mathisen> does it allow my ssh connection after
reboot
3650 [22:36:01] <sypher> 'ufw disable' to be sure.
3651 [22:36:06] <Mathisen> yeah good plan
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3653 [22:36:32] <GH0S7> sup guys newbie here
3654 [22:37:16] <spacebug^> welcome GH0S7
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3658 [22:41:07] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: that "ckt" is
suspicious.
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3663 [22:41:46] <Mathisen> suspicious ?
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3668 [22:42:35] <GH0S7> i tried installing vsfptd with apt-get but
it tells me to do apt-get update?
3669 [22:42:47] <GH0S7> vsftpd
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3671 [22:42:57] <jhutchins_wk> ckt = Canonical Kernel Team
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3673 [22:43:04] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
3674 [22:43:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686
(4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
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3676 [22:43:51] <sypher> jhutchins_wk: I've seen ckt in
Debian before.
3677 [22:44:01] <sypher> jhutchins_wk:
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3678 [22:44:06] <jhutchins_wk> sypher: Yeah, it's a debian
kernel.
3679 [22:45:32] <jhutchins_wk> sypher: Yeah, saw that.
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3681 [22:46:28] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: It remains that your
kernel does not match your kernel modules, and a system update is
probably the first step to try.
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3683 [22:47:02] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: You might post your
/etc/apt/sources.list and anything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
3684 [22:47:03] <Mathisen> hold on i may migrate to diffrent host,
just checking prices
3685 [22:47:23] <Mathisen> as it seem DO is not the best chooice
out there
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3688 [22:48:15] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: I hear good things about
dreamhost.
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3693 [22:49:16] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: What is the server going
to do?
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3698 [22:51:09] <Mathisen> cloud file storage, BNC for irc,
openvpn server, playground :)
3699 [22:51:25] <Mathisen> thats it no advanced stuff
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3701 [22:53:00] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: I don't think
I'd bother with a firewall. It's not Windows, it
doesn't have ports open unless something's listening, and
you can lock down most services to only allow connections from
certain IPs.
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3705 [22:53:27] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: Use sftp for file
transfers, put ssh on a non-standard port.
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3707 [22:53:47] <Mathisen> yeah i did that before, did not change
ssh port
3708 [22:53:58] <Mathisen> i just installed fail2ban and thats it
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3711 [22:54:29] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: Since you already have to
give anybody who needs access a username and password (or get a
key), you can tell them the port at the time.
3712 [22:54:47] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: ssh on 222 WILL get
brute-force and DOS attacks.
3713 [22:55:02] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: I mean on 22.
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3716 [22:55:35] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: Even though 90% of the
people who change the port go to 222, hackers don't usually
bother because usually that means you though about security and
aren't a soft target.
3717 [22:55:42] <Mathisen> yeah thats why i installed fail2ban
3718 [22:55:57] <Mathisen> it bans after 5 tries
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3720 [22:56:27] <petn-randall> (Also bans after 5 logins if you
have more than one SSH key)
3721 [22:56:50] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: Fail2ban still lets every
packet in to test it, and if it bans every packet still hits the
kernel.
3722 [22:57:12] <jhutchins_wk> Mathisen: iptables throttling is
better, but still gets all the hits.
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3724 [22:58:02] <Mathisen> okej
3725 [22:58:13] <Mathisen> i will change my way sensei
3726 [22:58:18] <Mathisen> heh
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3728 [22:58:55] * petn-randall throttles SYNs to tcp/22.
3729 [22:59:08] <petn-randall> err, 22/tcp
3730 [22:59:25] <SuperSeriousCat> Ive heard the hacker gets in way
more than 5 tries(if thats the setup) cus of delay of fail2ban.
Still helps alot tough
3731 [22:59:45] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Just move the port.
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3734 [23:00:09] <jhutchins_wk> I saw a brute-force attack take out
a Federal financial server.
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3736 [23:00:27] <jhutchins_wk> Firewall team, why you accept
connections from China?
3737 [23:00:36] <petn-randall> SuperSeriousCat: You can just open
10,000 tcp connections, and if fail2ban only drops new connections,
you can still use all 10,000.
3738 [23:00:45] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: why not?
3739 [23:01:08] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: We were not doing any
legitimate transactions outside the US.
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3741 [23:01:52] <SuperSeriousCat> Funfact. Some hacker blasted 156
emergency sirens in Dallas for 1.5 hour a few days ago
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3743 [23:02:15] <jhutchins_wk> SuperSeriousCat: It was actually a
hack of the radio control system.
3744 [23:02:30] <jhutchins_wk> SuperSeriousCat: They were able to
broadcast the correct trigger code.
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3748 [23:03:15] <SuperSeriousCat> Amazing how much you can do with
enough knowlege
3749 [23:03:19] <jhutchins_wk> SuperSeriousCat: They're
triggered by a tone code sequence on a specific frequency.
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3751 [23:03:59] <teraflops> jhutchins_wk: then better accept
connections only from inside the US I think. even that way nothing
prevents the attacker using a vpn a proxy or whatever
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3753 [23:05:09] <jhutchins_wk> teraflops: Yeah, pretty obvious
that a connection from China or South America was not made with good
intentions.
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3755 [23:05:42] * petn-randall shrugs at security by obscurity.
3756 [23:06:10] <petn-randall> The only reason I would firewall
countries away is to maybe keep the logs cleaner, that is all.
3757 [23:06:14] <teraflops> I have mixed feelings about moving
services from well known ports
3758 [23:06:30] <teraflops> I also*
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3772 [23:14:32] <sypher> I don't see that it does much to
increase security posture.
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3781 [23:17:44] <Richlv> tried to register on the debian wiki,
that failed with "Account creation failed: Due to an ongoing
spam attack, this wiki is configured to not automatically create
wiki accounts for some users."
3782 [23:17:55] <Richlv> i only wanted to fix a minor typo, so
maybe somebody can do that for me
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3784 [23:18:10] <Richlv> in
replaced-url
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3786 [23:18:14] <SuperSeriousCat> It give a small pinpoint of
"this guy thinks security, will probably take loooong time to
bruteforce. Skip"
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3788 [23:18:53] <sypher> SuperSeriousCat: Coming from someone who
does pen testing, I can say that that doesn't factor into my
thought process at all.
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3790 [23:19:33] <Richlv> oh, and in the next sentence it says
"A By the end" - that "A " should go away
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3792 [23:21:16] <boubou> Hi guys
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3794 [23:21:36] <boubou> on a rpm architecture, there is an option
--skip-broken in yum
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3796 [23:21:51] <boubou> does it exists the same thing in apt-get
?
3797 [23:22:03] <SuperSeriousCat> sypher, if you are a pentester,
sure. Not like you try to get as many machines as possible into a
botnet
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3799 [23:22:17] <ruunyan> if I'm to run a single-application
debian (virtual) machine, and the single application uses negligible
RAM, could debian itself run on 256M of RAM?
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3802 [23:23:31] <control0> Hello. If I edit /etc/crypttab, do I
need to regenerate initramfs to "apply" the changes?
3803 [23:23:43] <sypher> SuperSeriousCat: Brute-forcing SSH has to
be the LEAST efficient and nonsensical method of compromising
systems to get into a botnet. Seriously, come on. That's just
not how it works.
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3805 [23:23:52] <sypher> Anyway, this is offtopic at this point.
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3808 [23:24:36] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello, is there anybody here who
may explain to me a few things about xkb? Namely, how to have a
particular type definition file read by the system?
3809 [23:25:14] <SuperSeriousCat> Tought this was about moving
ports from well known ports, not only SSH, but fair enough
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3811 [23:26:25] <Richlv> ...and another typo in that page -
"HOSTORICAL". if anybody cares :)
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3844 [23:36:40] <Nitrogen> Hi. How can I download the pure HTML
files 1-4512.html to 1-4556.html from a Website? All 44 of them?
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3855 [23:43:15] <TomTomTo1> Nitrogen: for ((i=12;i<=56;i++));
do wget localhost/1-45$i.html; done
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3862 [23:46:48] <Nitrogen> TomTomTo1 It worked. How can I remove
the lines 23 to 49 from all these HTML files?
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3865 [23:48:57] <Brigo> XDD
3866 [23:49:10] <TomTomTo1> for ((i=12;i<=56;i++)); do sed -e
'23,49d;' 1-45$i.html; done
3867 [23:49:18] <TomTomTo1> something like that. too lazy to test
it. ^^
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3876 [23:51:12] <TomTomTo1> eh, forgot the -i flag for sed.
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3879 [23:52:46] <SuperTramp83> heh, I knew the answer was
'wget' but that's all I knew :/
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3884 [23:57:13] <Nitrogen> sed -i '23,49d;' *.html did
the job. Two more things: <a href='/1-4526.html'>
makes links appear as file:///1-4526.html instead of
file:///(folder)/1-4526.html. How do I change that?
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