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• 10[00:04:57] <zeffy> guys im stuck with something..
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• 13[00:05:30] <zeffy> if i check java version says is 9.0.4
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• 15[00:06:05] <zeffy> but when i try to apt-get a programm.. fails to install, saying something about java
• 16[00:06:14] <karlpinc> lebster: You use the unofficial non-free installer with the non-free firmware included?
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• 18[00:06:25] <zeffy> y
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• 20[00:06:38] <twobitsprite> zeffy: what are you trying to install and what exactly does it say about java?
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• 24[00:07:03] <zeffy> well i want to install aircrack-ng
• 25[00:07:07] <lebster> @karlpinc i used this one - replaced-url
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• 32[00:07:48] <karlpinc> lebster: Ok. (You might use the netinstall next time, unless you're planning on installing while off-line.)
• 33[00:07:48] <zeffy> can i copy paste here?
• 34[00:07:57] <twobitsprite> !paste
• 35[00:07:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 40[00:08:52] <karlpinc> lebster: You can boot your install media in rescue mode, mount the drives and look at the logs to see what went wrong during boot. You get a grub screen?
• 41[00:09:16] <zeffy> replaced-url
• 42[00:09:28] <zeffy> i past there all the errors
• 43[00:10:17] <lebster> @karlpinc hmm that is the log files I attached above right? i used recoverymode in grub menu
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• 45[00:11:40] <lebster> @karlpinc dmesg - replaced-url
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• 48[00:12:20] <lebster> @karlpinc i am not sure how the logs work, if they are from when i was in rescue mode or if they are from previous session
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• 51[00:12:39] <zeffy> replaced-url
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• 56[00:13:14] <zeffy> how can i remove something that is not fully installed?
• 57[00:13:40] <twobitsprite> hahah... what a dumpster fire the whole process of installing java is.
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• 59[00:15:01] <zeffy> even if i use apt-get autoremove i get same error
• 60[00:15:05] <zeffy> about java installer
• 61[00:15:37] <karlpinc> lebster: Rescue mode lets you mount your disks and start a shell. What are the paths of the files you pasted?
• 62[00:15:59] <karlpinc> lebster: Looking at replaced-url
• 63[00:16:42] <karlpinc> lebster: Can you press CTRL-ALT-F1 and switch to a virtual console?
• 64[00:16:42] <twobitsprite> zeffy: what about if you just "apt-get remove oracle-java8-installer"?
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• 66[00:17:25] <karlpinc> lebster: Ah. You are in rescue mode in from the grub menu. So you're running off the installed Debian. (Right?)
• 67[00:18:06] <lebster> while in recoverymode i did dmesg | pastebinit
• 68[00:18:26] <lebster> the other one is from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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• 70[00:18:39] <karlpinc> lebster: Ok. You could paste /var/log/messages.
• 71[00:18:49] <zeffy> twobitsprite, thx you
• 72[00:18:56] <zeffy> worked :D
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• 74[00:19:14] <karlpinc> lebster: So it seems like the os is working, but not X. (Haven't looked at the X log.)
• 75[00:20:52] <karlpinc> lebster: You should be able to boot "regular", and press "ctl-alt-f1" to get to a console instead of X. (At least if what's happening is what I think is happening.)
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• 78[00:21:35] <lebster> hmmm my messages is too big for cat /var/log/messages | pastebinit
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• 80[00:22:45] <karlpinc> lebster: run "tail -n 1000 /var/log/messages | pastebinit" (But adjust 1000 to be the number of lines that gets you from start of boot. tail -n 1000 /var/log/messages | head shows what's at the top of what you get.)
• 81[00:22:48] <lebster> can i rm /var/log/messages before i try ctrl-alt-f1?
• 82[00:23:05] <karlpinc> lebster: Nah, don't do that.
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• 90[00:28:58] <karlpinc> lebster: Probably you just need the right video driver. The way to get it is to, as root, run "lspci -nn" and note the [xxxx:xxxx] pciid of your video card. Then in this channel "/msg judd pciid [xxxx:xxxx]" that will tell you what driver you need. I believe that "apt-cache search DRIVERNAME" will give you the package you need to install to get the driver. Or, I could be wrong. Gotta go.
• 91[00:29:00] <lebster> @karlpinc CTRL-ALT-F1 didnt do anytihng, it feels like its frozen. underscore on top left doesnt blink. let me get that log now
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• 94[00:30:12] <karlpinc> lebster: The judd bot might know the package name. I forget.
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• 106[00:35:39] <lebster> @karlpinc ok ill try the lspci thing thx
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• 305[02:17:47] <karlpinc> lebster: Then you need 2 sets of video drivers installed. (Or at least 1. 0:-)
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• 333[02:30:48] <bug> lebster, are both video cards active/enabled? you only need drivers/firmware for active ones.
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• 347[02:43:39] <lebster> @bug both are inside the laptop, where do i go to enable/disable them individually? in recovery mode i ran X -configure and then did X -config /root/xorg.conf.new and got the same black screen with frozen underscore on top left
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• 350[02:44:23] <lebster> @bug this is the xorg.conf.new - replaced-url
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• 359[02:47:04] <lebster> not sure if this is the right question but x doesnt work like osx and windows computers where it uses one video card then switches to the other when needed?
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• 361[02:47:24] <ogre14t> Anyone aware of a way to control the rgb backlight on a logitech 910 keyboard?
• 362[02:47:44] <lebster> i suppose i only need one to work for now, but id assume everyone would want both to work
• 363[02:47:54] <bug> lebster, you would enable/disable video cards in the bios. the blank screen with a cursor in the upper left corner indicates that you need to install firmware for your video card. see suggestions above.
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• 366[02:49:41] <karlpinc> lebster: You can do various things with 2 video cards. One "big screen". 2 separate screens with login sessions on each. One screen mirrors the other. Usually it's "one big screen". OS/X is Unix under the covers, so....
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• 369[02:52:01] <lebster> judd says i need judd says i need these modules - 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' , 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' . im pretty sure i installed most of them. some didnt show up antyhing in apt-cache search, but let me try again
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• 373[02:54:31] <bug> "firmware-linux" should cover everything and the kitchen sink. unused modules won't do anything except occupy disk space.
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• 388[03:03:18] <lebster> i installed firmware-linux same results. advice above was to do apt-cache search DRIVERNAME . when I search for ata-generic or snd-hda-intel nothing comes up. Also if I search for nouveau multiple things come up. I assume i want xserver-xorg-video-nouveau? or do i install all of them? replaced-url
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• 412[03:14:55] <bug> do you have "non-free" repos configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 413[03:15:39] <lebster> i installed the non free firmware also. i even used the non free iso image of debian
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• 420[03:17:27] <lebster> i did a apt-cache search GT216M and nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver came up. i installed that. it said it disabled nouveau and had me restart. This time i got just a black screen. no solid underscore on top left
• 421[03:17:43] <bug> i'd better defer to someone with more knowledge than me then. sorry i couldn't help.
• 422[03:18:07] <lebster> all good thx anyway
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• 508[03:55:28] <Workbench> Nostarch The Debian System still worth watching?
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• 586[04:54:09] <rhizome> i have an md mirror that i'm trying to enlarge by replacing a smaller member. right now both drives have all the files. should i be able to just create a new mirror, /dev/md1, with one drive, then fail out the remaining one at the old /dev/md0, remove it, and add it to /dev/md1?
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• 652[05:49:44] <lebster> hmmm regarding my issue above, I reinstalled debian a few more times and eventually chose gnome instead of xfce and it loaded up fine
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• 772[07:22:22] <Agafnd> okay, i simply *cannot* get any sound out of rosegarden
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• 783[07:29:44] <Agafnd> AHA!
• 784[07:30:08] <Agafnd> i had to make qsynth go through pulseaudio...
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• 786[07:30:13] <Agafnd> but SOUND!
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• 788[07:30:39] <Agafnd> bwv 1048 has never sounded this sweet
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• 848[08:08:15] <themoonisshining> hey friends
• 849[08:09:00] <themoonisshining> anybody good with netstat
• 850[08:09:05] <Sveta> why?
• 851[08:09:06] <themoonisshining> on debian
• 852[08:09:10] <themoonisshining> hi friend
• 853[08:09:41] <Sveta> hi! what's the problem? i'm not terribly good at it, but perhaps after seeing the details of the situation someone else may be able to assist
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• 856[08:10:30] <themoonisshining> I want to know what connections I have remote to my computer tru the only network card. it doesn't have bluetooth and I don't think it has infrared and I have the case lid in place so I think I know what goes where
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• 861[08:11:45] <themoonisshining> I type netstat -n to show me only ips not hostnames both ways but I got like 4 pages of this thing called active unix domain sockets
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• 866[08:14:43] <themoonisshining> oo_miguel: hola hablas espaniol
• 867[08:15:17] <SwedeMike> !es
• 868[08:15:18] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 869[08:15:18] <blaztek> themoonisshining: try -> sudo netstat -pan | grep CONNECTED
• 870[08:15:40] <blaztek> themoonisshining: not sure if that will help but you get more info with `sudo`
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• 872[08:16:28] <themoonisshining> blaztek: yea same in windowds 7
• 873[08:17:30] <blaztek> themoonisshining: but I'm logged in using sshd and also watching via Plex Media Server...and that command shows those connections...along with a lot more
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• 876[08:19:25] <themoonisshining> blaztek: watching a video? like wifi that's network too or usb?
• 877[08:19:32] <themoonisshining> usb connections show up in netstat ?
• 878[08:19:36] <alkisg> Is there a shortcut to open a terminal in Stretch Gnome? Alt+Ctrl+T doesn't seem to be working...
• 879[08:19:50] <blaztek> themoonisshining: wifi network, yes
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• 881[08:20:07] <blaztek> themoonisshining: it was playing on my phone...but paused now
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• 884[08:21:04] <blaztek> themoonisshining: I honestly don't know about usb connections...I would assume so but that's just guessing
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• 890[08:22:38] <blaztek> themoonisshining: my box is ethernet only....hooked up to a router with WiFi...no USB or Bluetooth
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• 892[08:23:37] <blaztek> so netstat only shows Ethernet stuff for me
• 893[08:23:58] <blaztek> well...and localhost
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• 897[08:26:26] <themoonisshining> blaztek: only ethernet no other protocols?
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• 899[08:27:14] <themoonisshining> blaztek: netstat man page says network connections that should include bluetooh and usb and like infrared
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• 903[08:28:15] <themoonisshining> anyway I found the page for active unix domain stuff that I was confused
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• 910[08:32:27] <blaztek> themoonisshining: if you type `ss -pt` that will show maybe a bit better
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• 913[08:32:53] <blaztek> themoonisshining: it's easier to read, for me, at least
• 914[08:32:57] <Beggar> ss -pt
• 915[08:33:25] <Beggar> well I could not see any difference, but if you say so. XD
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• 923[08:37:24] <blaztek> Beggar: for me it's 7 (ss) vs 206 (netstat -nap | grep CONNECTED) lines
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• 929[08:40:18] <Beggar> blazeme8, sorry It was a joke because I jsut entered the channel and you said " if you type `ss -pt` that will show maybe a bit better".
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• 931[08:40:35] <Beggar> Sorry for that.
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• 941[08:50:25] <themoonisshining> hey friend
• 942[08:51:02] <themoonisshining> the netstat man page hasn't been updated since 2008 in debian?
• 943[08:51:05] <themoonisshining> can u check
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• 946[08:51:24] <themoonisshining> it shows the date at the end of netstat page
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• 958[09:03:41] <michael2> themoonisshining: netstat has been deprecated in debian - also `ifconfig' i believe
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• 970[09:09:33] <themoonisshining> michael2: for why'
• 971[09:10:00] <alkisg> I'm considering to file a bug report against dkms, and I'd like a second opinion: replaced-url
• 972[09:10:00] <alkisg> So for example it installs linux-headers-686-pae for me even though I don't have pae but plain linux-headers-686
• 973[09:10:00] <alkisg> So, I think it shouldn't recommend ANY header packages, since it can't possibly instruct apt to install the correct headers for my kernel (also imagine raspberry pis and other arches)
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• 1022[09:37:34] <zeffy> for ubuntu we have dhclient
• 1023[09:37:38] <zeffy> for debian what we have?
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• 1036[09:46:37] <babilen> zeffy: dhclient
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• 1044[09:50:09] <themoonisshining> friend
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• 1047[09:50:59] <themoonisshining> when a debian comes out what is the range in years of the network card that it supports
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• 1049[09:51:26] <michael2> wifi or ethernet?
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• 1053[09:51:35] <themoonisshining> does jessie supports a 2003 802.11b nativily
• 1054[09:51:49] <themoonisshining> either. does it dpends?
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• 1058[09:53:51] <jelly> themoonisshining: there's support for client side of 802.11b, g, n, ac; but you also have to buy the right hardware and install the right firmware and kernel drivers might bit-rot after a while (say, a 5-10-15 years)
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• 1060[09:54:26] <jelly> themoonisshining: this is less dependant on debian and more on upstream kernel
• 1061[09:57:01] <themoonisshining> right a recent card not have support where a 10 year old card could. so it depends mostly on what kernel version debian is going to use?
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• 1070[10:04:16] <nostalgk> hello
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• 1073[10:04:32] <nostalgk> i have a few questions about kali; i'm using it for a project, and i know it
• 1074[10:04:54] <nostalgk> 's a debian based OS. i'm relatively new to linux but am using it for a simple project for my university server class.
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• 1078[10:05:20] <zeffy> nostalgk, im also new to kali :D
• 1079[10:05:35] <nostalgk> haha hello i saw you in kali, they didn't seem to be all that supportive i suppose
• 1080[10:05:40] <DNS> nostalgk: replaced-url
• 1081[10:05:52] <jelly> !kali
• 1082[10:05:52] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1083[10:06:11] <nostalgk> i did join their channel, i didn't get any responses from there. i was hoping some people might be awake here :)
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• 1085[10:06:32] <DNS> nostalgk: sometimes answers take some hours
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• 1087[10:06:42] <nostalgk> im pretty confident in my ability to use the tools i need for kali, but i'm having some trouble with making a vnc server
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• 1089[10:07:09] <jelly> nostalgk: if people are awake and can answers questions about kali, they can also join that channel and answer them there. Keep this channel for tech support about things in Debian tho.
• 1090[10:07:20] <nostalgk> mainly in that using apt-get for it, i might be downloading a gigantic package with dpkg
• 1091[10:07:54] <jelly> if however you install debian or boot debian live and can reproduce the same issues, you may ask here
• 1092[10:08:16] <nostalgk> hey, i'm sorry. i don't mean to be harassing you guys. i believe this issue would be similar on debian, however, due to using the same commands.
• 1093[10:08:30] <jelly> (but it's sadly rather often that issues in derivative distros are cause by changes made in those derivative distros)
• 1094[10:08:33] <zeffy> nostalgk, use replaced-url
• 1095[10:08:38] <zeffy> !paste
• 1096[10:08:38] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 1097[10:08:40] <ChasticFy> how difucult is kali now actully in comparison with other linux distros because you only work in the root i think that is kind of a chanlange
• 1098[10:08:50] <Kelsar> also kali is neither meant to be installed or to be used as server...
• 1099[10:09:02] <jelly> nostalgk: no. Don't do that. Unless you can reproduce on actual debian, don't ask here.
• 1100[10:09:04] <kopper> Kali server what
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• 1102[10:09:33] <nostalgk> i'm just trying to use it as a VNC server for a project im working on with packet injection. i'm just trying to show my desktop there to reproduce it for the class.
• 1103[10:09:36] <jelly> zeffy: if you want to help them, do it in #kali-linux
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• 1105[10:10:37] <nostalgk> i'm using kali just because it comes pre-installed with the tools i need for the project, but i'm sorry if i'm bothering you guys. i'll look elsewhere. thank you.
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• 1138[10:21:18] <kia> hello
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• 1145[10:23:35] <themoonisshining> hi kia
• 1146[10:23:41] <themoonisshining> do u have a kia too?
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• 1151[10:24:27] <kia> tnx my bro
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• 1154[10:24:38] <themoonisshining> kia: I have a kia spectra )
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• 1157[10:25:13] <kia> hhhh really? :D my name is kia
• 1158[10:25:24] <kia> kia is kurdish name
• 1159[10:25:58] <themoonisshining> kia: lol haha that's so cool friend
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• 1161[10:26:11] <themoonisshining> kia: it'll be confusing if u owned a kia too ))
• 1162[10:26:31] <kia> hhhhhhh :))
• 1163[10:26:50] <themoonisshining> and my name is Miguel
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• 1165[10:27:06] <kia> nice to meet u Miguel
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• 1168[10:28:10] <themoonisshining> me too!
• 1169[10:28:40] <kia> do u have debian? i have arch but i like debian
• 1170[10:28:55] <kia> and debian users
• 1171[10:29:00] <ChasticFy> hey guys and girls how are you all
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• 1173[10:29:19] <kia> hi ChasticFy how r u
• 1174[10:29:38] <ChasticFy> good but little bit stuck on my project
• 1175[10:30:02] <ChasticFy> well was just beginning but resolved my problem but don't know where to continue
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• 1177[10:30:41] <kia> whats lang use for project?
• 1178[10:30:53] <ChasticFy> i now have everything working and running but don't know what to do what is smart
• 1179[10:31:06] <ChasticFy> php nginx debian mariadb
• 1180[10:31:20] <kia> so whats problem?
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• 1185[10:32:40] <ChasticFy> well yeah i need to do some thing but don't know what i now need to do so the rest works i need to get a RTMP connection with twitch or simmilar rtmp server yt mixer but what do i need for that?
• 1186[10:34:11] <kia> sorry i dont know about RTMP connection
• 1187[10:34:13] <ChasticFy> iam not the best at this stuff but willing to learn
• 1188[10:34:20] <ChasticFy> no problem
• 1189[10:34:52] <kia> ;)
• 1190[10:35:08] <ChasticFy> thats kind of the problem i would hope twitch could help me with some code but they are switching api so waiting on a reply mail
• 1191[10:35:12] <ChasticFy> ;)
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• 1194[10:35:25] <kia> this RTMM use for socket programming?
• 1195[10:35:32] <kia> RTMP
• 1196[10:35:37] <ChasticFy> yes
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• 1201[10:36:14] <kia> so u can just install xammp and use tomcat for use java code sever for socket programminh
• 1202[10:36:17] <kia> h
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• 1204[10:36:28] <ChasticFy> sending video data trow to the server of streaming servers and i need a webpage that can connect with that and that it can save user acc in mysql mariadb
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• 1206[10:36:46] <ChasticFy> with the streamkey
• 1207[10:37:00] <themoonisshining> kia: yes I have debian I'm getting good at it !
• 1208[10:37:02] <ChasticFy> that needs to be secret for anyone
• 1209[10:37:08] <ChasticFy> cool
• 1210[10:37:20] <ChasticFy> themoonisshining
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• 1213[10:38:29] <kia> oh i dont know and I have no experience u can search youtube for setup
• 1214[10:39:39] <kia> themoonisshining: have good time
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• 1323[11:36:53] <Gnomethrower> Hi guys... having an issue with trying to mount an Amazon EFS volume on a Debian 9 EC2 instance
• 1324[11:36:55] <siraben> Is there a way to list all the non-free packages installed?
• 1325[11:37:05] <Gnomethrower> Mounting it with mount -a works fine, but it fails to mount on boot
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• 1327[11:37:47] <Gnomethrower> checking systemd it says that it is timing out, after what seems like 90 seconds
• 1328[11:38:55] <Gnomethrower> here's my fstab entry: replaced-url
• 1329[11:39:15] <w0rty> Is your network up when trying to mount at boot?
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• 1332[11:41:05] <Gnomethrower> w0rty: in journalctl, "Reached target Network is Online." precedes the failures
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• 1334[11:41:17] <Gnomethrower> siraben: vrms
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• 1336[11:41:40] <Gnomethrower> w0rty: or more accurately precedes the attempts
• 1337[11:41:52] <Gnomethrower> one sec, let me pastebin it
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• 1341[11:43:04] <Gnomethrower> replaced-url
• 1342[11:43:24] <Gnomethrower> the errors come later
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• 1344[11:45:09] <nirakara> hi, i try to do `sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)` and get some dependency issues. I'm running stretch but i think i'm using a backported kernel. (console output: replaced-url
• 1345[11:45:10] <Gnomethrower> errors here: replaced-url
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• 1347[11:45:50] <nirakara> apparently my version of gcc is not high enough (4.9 vs 4.14) -- I'm trying to install wireguard but i think i need some kernel headers
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• 1350[11:46:27] <siraben> Gnomethrower: How vrms?
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• 1352[11:47:34] <Gnomethrower> siraben: replaced-url
• 1353[11:47:47] <Gnomethrower> install that package and run it and it will tell you what non-free stuff you've got installed
• 1354[11:48:20] <siraben> Yes! Eradicate the world of non-free software!
• 1355[11:48:32] <siraben> Lol it's called "Virtual Richard Stallman"
• 1356[11:48:33] <siraben> Good name
• 1357[11:49:16] <Gnomethrower> siraben: I only just found out about it myself and am similarly amused :) Coworker pointed me in its direction
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• 1359[11:49:51] <nirakara> i fixed my problem by installing gcc from backports
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• 1362[11:50:41] <siraben> Gnomethrower: Nice! So you have a lot of friends that use Linux distros?
• 1363[11:50:53] <Gnomethrower> siraben: I do work for the Perth Linux Users Group :)
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• 1365[11:52:04] <siraben> Interesting group, just read about it.
• 1366[11:52:28] <siraben> BTW is RMS still angry about Ubuntu and Canonical?
• 1367[11:52:37] <PerfDave> RMS is always angry ;)
• 1368[11:52:38] <siraben> That it installed "spyware" on people's computers?
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• 1371[11:53:15] <Gnomethrower> Not too sure. Probably.
• 1372[11:53:30] <siraben> That's 50% true, but he takes action against it. IMO it's inspiring to see how he lives a life of "moral purity"
• 1373[11:53:50] <siraben> It's easy to say "don't use proprietary software" but it's another matter altogether to avoid it completely
• 1374[11:53:51] <Gnomethrower> sorry, we're risking getting off-topic :P
• 1375[11:53:59] <siraben> Yeah sorry
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• 1377[11:54:04] <PerfDave> Software freedom is not really offtopic ;)
• 1378[11:54:19] <siraben> Well this is #debian
• 1379[11:54:22] <PerfDave> And yeah, I think rms is wrong on quite a lot of things, but he's done a lot for freedom
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• 1384[11:55:09] <siraben> I have to credit Debian for introducing me to free software
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• 1386[11:55:20] <siraben> Didn't know what it was before, only in terms of price.
• 1387[11:55:57] <Gnomethrower> I'm primarily a Ubuntu user, but I've always liked Debians approaches to things such as non-free software a bit better
• 1388[11:56:04] <siraben> BTW any users of LibreJS here? How practical/impractical is it?
• 1389[11:56:18] <alkisg> Is there any way to maintain a list of patches to be applied while `debuild` is running? Afaik dpatch and quilt are supposed to be ran by the maintainer manually, before debuild...
• 1390[11:56:19] <siraben> It's a Firefox/Icecat extension that blocks all non-free Javascript
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• 1414[12:08:53] <choice> Hello! Debian comes with Chromium. How do you install an extension like uMatrix on it?
• 1415[12:09:14] <choice> Browsing unprotected with just Chromium is not really feasible anymore in todays hostile web.
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• 1423[12:11:26] <Gnomethrower> choice: You can install extensions just like you do in Chrome
• 1424[12:11:29] <Gnomethrower> from the Chrome Web Store
• 1425[12:11:43] <choice> Gnomethrower: How? The store does not show me an install button when I visit it with Chromium.
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• 1427[12:11:53] <choice> Gnomethrower: It bugs me to install Chrome instead.
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• 1429[12:12:15] <Gnomethrower> choice: weird... I just installed ublock origin on my Chromium install
• 1430[12:12:28] <Gnomethrower> though I'm on Ubuntu which might build it differently... sorry, I'm out of ideas
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• 1433[12:12:52] <choice> Gnomethrower: Ah! It's because I have set a custom user agent.
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• 1435[12:13:05] <babilen> ;)
• 1436[12:13:33] <choice> The default user agent is a big fat fingerprint.
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• 1441[12:14:07] <choice> The web is so kaputt.
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• 1443[12:14:37] <BCMM> there's a thousand other ways to fingerprint your browser
• 1444[12:14:41] <choice> True
• 1445[12:15:07] <choice> WebRTC giving away your local IP is the worst IMO.
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• 1447[12:15:39] <Gnomethrower> Re: nfs4 entries in /etc/fstab failing to mount on boot: do I need to edit/override systemd's network-online.target ? or add a wait-online unit?
• 1448[12:15:46] <BCMM> replaced-url
• 1449[12:16:24] <BCMM> the HTML canvas thing is incredibly devious
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• 1451[12:16:47] <choice> BCMM: Yes, thats super hard to avoid.
• 1452[12:16:54] <BCMM> my heavily-tweaked font antialiasing settings are apparently unique
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• 1454[12:17:08] <choice> The browser should ask if the website is allowed to create a canvas.
• 1455[12:17:38] <choice> Funny, with my default user agent google search does not show uMatrix on the chrome store when I search for 'umatrix'.
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• 1457[12:17:45] <BCMM> or at least ask before "screenshotting" the canvas
• 1458[12:18:02] <choice> BCMM: You mean reading the pixel data?
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• 1461[12:18:23] <BCMM> yeah
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• 1463[12:18:47] <siraben> BCMM: That's why you use Tor Browser
• 1464[12:18:55] <siraben> I use it every day.
• 1465[12:18:56] <michael2> choice: how did you set a custom user agent and why is canvas technology so bad?
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• 1467[12:19:02] <choice> siraben: How does tor prevent fingerprinting?
• 1468[12:19:13] <siraben> choice: Very well!
• 1469[12:19:26] <siraben> Canvas fingerprinting is blocked, you are essentially identical to all Tor Browser users
• 1470[12:19:39] <choice> michael2: I set it as a command line parameter. --user-agent='...'
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• 1472[12:19:50] <michael2> oh so canvas is a finger printing thing?
• 1473[12:19:50] <siraben> Tor *Browser*, is safe. You can screw up your anonymity by using say, Chrome over tor
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• 1476[12:19:57] <siraben> michael2: Yes, very big.
• 1477[12:20:04] <DNS> good page to test your fingerprint replaced-url
• 1478[12:20:06] <siraben> Even your fonts can be used to track you
• 1479[12:20:08] <choice> siraben: How does it prevent canvas fingerprinting?
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• 1481[12:20:17] <BCMM> michael2: canvas is an HTML5 feature. it can be used for fingerprinting
• 1482[12:20:36] <siraben> choice: It has a built in detector that says "This page tried to extract HTML5 canvas information, which can be used to track you, Allow?"
• 1483[12:20:38] <BCMM> michael2: because it incidentally allows a site to discern extensive details of the system's font rendering
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• 1486[12:20:48] <choice> michael2: Canvas is a graphic thing but it is useful in the context of fingerprinting. Because all computers/graphic_cards/browsers/drivers draw slightly different.
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• 1488[12:21:05] <siraben> If you're planning to use Tor Browser, I recommend using Cookies Autodelete and uBlock Origin
• 1489[12:21:07] <choice> siraben: I see. But aren't there enough other ways to fingerprint a user?
• 1490[12:21:23] <BCMM> dpi, installed fonts, font renderer versions (in many cases depending on browser *and* OS), antialiasing settings, etc.
• 1491[12:21:25] <siraben> choice: Yes, like cookies, screen resolution, sound settings, media, IP address
• 1492[12:21:41] <michael2> BCMM: wow, but not at all surprising
• 1493[12:21:47] <siraben> Probably even your CPU power, clock rate etc.
• 1494[12:21:51] <siraben> And mouse/scroll
• 1495[12:22:04] <BCMM> michael2: it's not that there's an explicit API for those, you understand. it's that they all influence the way fonts are rendered
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• 1497[12:22:10] <siraben> It's only going to get worse from here.
• 1498[12:22:25] <choice> siraben: I would think timing measurements are very hard to prevent. Like 'The ratio this users computer need to calculate 1000 digits of pi compared to drawing 500 divs on screen'.
• 1499[12:22:27] <michael2> brave browser apparently does as much as it can to prevent finger printing - most common user agent etc
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• 1501[12:22:34] <siraben> At this point everyone should at least have an ad blocker installed, tell your loved ones, friends and family to install them if they don't have it alreasdy.
• 1502[12:22:44] <BCMM> and the exact, pixel-for-pixel way a given browser instance renders a line of text can be unique or at least very uncommon
• 1503[12:22:54] <siraben> Ultimately the best defense is only activating Javascript for some websties
• 1504[12:23:20] <siraben> Ironically enough, Facebook replaced-url
• 1505[12:23:28] <siraben> But that doesn't prevent it from tracking you :)
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• 1509[12:23:56] <choice> I installed uMatrix but all I got is a grey puzzle icon. And when I click on it it says 'Your file was not found'. Hmm...
• 1510[12:24:07] <siraben> uMatrix? I use NoScript
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• 1512[12:24:27] <choice> I think it's because I basically create a new user profile everytime I launch Chromium.
• 1513[12:24:35] <choice> Guess that deleted the extension too.
• 1514[12:25:02] <p0g0_> ad nauseum is nice.
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• 1516[12:25:19] <choice> The problem is that you have to totally trust the developer of the extension.
• 1517[12:25:25] <p0g0_> it spoofs the ads, making profiling and the ad count meaningless.
• 1518[12:25:28] <choice> His integrity, his competency ...
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• 1521[12:25:53] <siraben> p0g0_ it's much better to block it entirely
• 1522[12:26:02] <siraben> Why waste precious bandwidth?
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• 1524[12:26:26] <p0g0_> siraben: yes in terms of security, if you want to poison the well, ad nuaseum has it's uses.
• 1525[12:26:28] <siraben> Esp. on websites that serve tailored ads (say, a tech-based website serving techy ads) your usage patterns can be infered
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• 1527[12:26:36] <siraben> I suppose, your mileage may vary.
• 1528[12:26:40] <p0g0_> That
• 1529[12:26:46] <p0g0_> s the point of the ad nauseum
• 1530[12:27:03] <p0g0_> it nails the usage patterns by loving everything.
• 1531[12:27:14] <p0g0_> and make s the ad sales # useless
• 1532[12:27:28] <siraben> Yes but some websites know broadly what their customers like, so if you visit a lot of tech websites you get the tech ads vs if you visit pet websites or something like that
• 1533[12:27:30] <p0g0_> so, yeah, it depends on what you are abou
• 1534[12:27:38] <p0g0_> t
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• 1536[12:28:07] <p0g0_> I certainly agree with the ad blocking tho, it is much safer and faster.
• 1537[12:29:25] <choice> I love uMatrix.
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• 1539[12:29:44] <choice> It's so logical. If I would have coded it, I would have done it exactly the same way.
• 1540[12:29:58] <siraben> Why not NoScript?
• 1541[12:30:02] <siraben> What's the big different?
• 1542[12:30:11] <choice> It feels way more bloated and 'magic'.
• 1543[12:30:18] <choice> You never know what it does exactly.
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• 1549[12:31:03] <siraben> NoScript is bloated?
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• 1551[12:31:12] <siraben> That's ironic, because it's supposed to unbloat pages
• 1552[12:31:41] <siraben> I switched to Firefox permanently after Firefox 57 Beta came out
• 1553[12:31:43] <choice> On uMatrix the rules look like 'youtube.com is allowed to load scripts from ytimg.com'
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• 1555[12:31:55] <choice> Super easy to understand and work with.
• 1556[12:31:56] <siraben> choice: Interesting. I'll check it out.
• 1557[12:32:08] <siraben> Tor Browser uses NoScript by default, hmm...
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• 1559[12:32:29] <choice> I used NoScript for quite a while and loved it.
• 1560[12:32:54] <choice> But after I tried uMatrix for a few days, I'm a total uMatrix fanboy.
• 1561[12:33:25] <choice> Also how it handles permanent and temporarely permissions. Beautiful logical interface.
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• 1563[12:33:59] <siraben> No way, I'm downloading it now.
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• 1565[12:35:00] <hiya> I am using Debian GNU/Linux with i5-4th gen processor based laptop with 4 GB RAm, I just upgraded to Samsung EVO SSD, it is quite fast now, but I want to know my Memory [RAM] uses is always 90percent above and is touching 97percent frequently. Also I see gedit and terminal missing or automatically closed at times. Could it be the reason? Should I get 8GB Ram now?
• 1566[12:35:07] <michael2> hmm I just tested my firefox with ublock in panoptic, mostly im good, but my browser does have a unique finger print, and I think its telling y I should unblocking parties which promise to honor "do not track"
• 1567[12:35:28] <siraben> hiya: Does your computer slow down?
• 1568[12:35:38] <siraben> RAM is automatically managed
• 1569[12:36:20] <siraben> michael2: Yeah, I don't know about the DNT stuff, it was kind of a failed experiment
• 1570[12:36:29] <siraben> Most sites ignore it completely.
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• 1572[12:36:55] <siraben> The internet is severely broken, tracking on every single page, proprietary Javascript, monopolies, ugh it's sad.
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• 1575[12:38:10] <siraben> choice: OK I have no idea how to use uMatrix
• 1576[12:38:17] <p0g0_> replaced-url
• 1577[12:38:29] <FinalX> siraben: and yet, some sites explicitly show a pop-up that they've seen my DNT-header and how they are honoring it.
• 1578[12:38:40] <siraben> Wow that's a strong title: NoScript is harmful and promotes Malware
• 1579[12:38:54] <p0g0_> yeah, but that's hype
• 1580[12:38:57] <michael2> siraben: exactly thats why I dont trust it. so I can only guess panoptclick want me to enable to give it "moral support" ?
• 1581[12:39:01] <p0g0_> there are some decent details
• 1582[12:39:06] <babilen> This might be a topic that's better suited for #debian-offtopic, unless someone needs help on how to do any of this specifically on Debian
• 1583[12:39:15] <p0g0_> 'k
• 1584[12:40:04] <siraben> Right, back on topic then.
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• 1588[12:40:52] <siraben> I keep running into issues like : The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
• 1589[12:40:52] <siraben>
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• 1595[12:42:24] <siraben> How do I fix this apt problem?
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• 1625[12:57:51] <hiya> siraben, Yes, it does at times. When I open any additional apps than what I use normally. Also I see a firefox webcontent process that uses up to 2 GB RAM at times (usually 1.1 to 1.5 GB).
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• 1627[12:58:41] <jelly> hiya: can you keep this to one channel? People in ##linux don't see advice you're getting in #debian, and vice versa
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• 1629[12:59:11] <hiya> jelly, ok sorry
• 1630[12:59:21] <hiya> replaced-url
• 1631[12:59:24] <hiya> please see this ^
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• 1633[12:59:55] <jelly> after you exhaust all the options in one channel, you can ask in another but show _all_ the work you've tried so far
• 1634[13:00:51] <jelly> so that people don't waste time thinking of solutions someone else has already suggested
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• 1637[13:02:10] <hiya> jelly, I didn't try anything as of now
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• 1698[13:27:26] <karlpinc> hiya: I was running with 4G for years and hadn't had a problem. Just got a new box a month ago. I'd expect your "terminal missing or closed" problem is something else. Have you looked at the logs to see if the oom killer is killing anything? Your OS is _supposed_ to use RAM. That's what it's for. (I don't know what your paste is showing us.) Are you discussing here or in #linux?
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• 1706[13:30:49] <hiya> karlpinc, thanks
• 1707[13:31:06] <hiya> now I am sharing here only
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• 1709[13:31:34] <siraben> Hi, anyone know how to resolve this apt problem?
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• 1711[13:31:43] <hiya> replaced-url
• 1712[13:31:49] <hiya> karlpinc, ^ see FF is talking over 2.2 GB
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• 1715[13:32:07] <siraben> The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
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• 1718[13:32:44] <siraben> hiya: Possibly caused by an extension?
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• 1723[13:33:06] <hiya> siraben, 2387.5 MB used :(
• 1724[13:33:18] <hiya> siraben, I have ublock origin + Privacy badger
• 1725[13:33:20] <hiya> nothing else
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• 1727[13:35:12] <karlpinc> hiya: Why is this a problem? What makes you think it should use less?
• 1728[13:35:44] <siraben> What tabs do you have on?
• 1729[13:36:06] <hiya> karlpinc, because it is using full 3.6 out of 3.8 GB, and I see gedit and terminal missing at times. when I wake up
• 1730[13:36:32] <hiya> siraben, Right now, skype (only test), youtube 360p webm, Google translate, and nothing etc
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• 1732[13:36:35] <karlpinc> hiya: Do the logs say the oom killer is killing processes? Do you have swap?
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• 1734[13:36:41] <hiya> text*
• 1735[13:37:05] <hiya> karlpinc, No, it does not say so, but I reboot when it happened, next time I will check for sure. thanks
• 1736[13:37:08] <hiya> Yes I have swap
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• 1738[13:37:58] <michael2> in ubuntu if I want to set mouse speed I can run command:
• 1739[13:38:07] <michael2> xinput --set-prop $mouse_id "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" $initial_speed
• 1740[13:38:09] <karlpinc> hiya: If you can reproduce it you could start gedit or terminal with strace, and send the output somewhere. Then you can really see what's making them go away.
• 1741[13:38:19] <siraben> hiya: Maybe try "sudo apt upgrade firefox" ?
• 1742[13:38:31] <hiya> replaced-url
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• 1744[13:38:38] <michael2> but in debian that command doesnt work. how can I set mouse pointer speed?
• 1745[13:38:38] <siraben> Firefox shouldn't be using that much memory.
• 1746[13:38:38] <hiya> I have Swap too
• 1747[13:38:53] <hiya> 1.9 GB is used out of 3.9 GB
• 1748[13:38:55] <siraben> hiya: Why not try a reboot?
• 1749[13:39:00] <karlpinc> michael2: What does "not work" mean?
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• 1753[13:39:34] <hiya> siraben, I am using latest version from website
• 1754[13:39:49] <karlpinc> michael2: (I usually use the gui system tools for that sort of stuff. No reason for this though.)
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• 1756[13:40:11] <karlpinc> hiya: You are not using what's packaged for debian?
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• 1758[13:41:26] <hiya> karlpinc, nope
• 1759[13:41:35] <hiya> latest version from website
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• 1762[13:43:33] <siraben> Maybe that's the issue.
• 1763[13:43:44] <michael2> karlpinc: doesn't work => xinput throws [property 'Device Accel Constant Deceleration' doesn't exist, you need to specify its type and format]]
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• 1765[13:44:48] <michael2> and when I run `xinput --list-props' the "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" property doesn't appear on the mouse device
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• 1767[13:45:42] <karlpinc> hiya: It is generally recommended to use debian only software. (See the "frankendebian" and the footnote in the "debian software" wiki.debian.org pages.)
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• 1771[13:46:24] <karlpinc> michael2: Don't have a lot of time now. Have you googled the error message with the word "debian" added? (Sorry.)
• 1772[13:47:23] <hiya> karlpinc, siraben 935.3 MiB of 3.8 MiB used now with firefox closed.
• 1773[13:47:37] <michael2> karlpinc: yeah , no prob :)
• 1774[13:47:42] <hiya> So it is taking a lot of GBs
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• 1787[13:51:43] <siraben> hiya: As karlpinc said, avoid using software from non-Debian repositories because it hasn't been fully tested yet.
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• 1789[13:52:51] <hiya> siraben, I think it is one of the plugins
• 1790[13:52:58] <hiya> I will disable them one by one and check
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• 1794[13:53:47] <siraben> hiya: Try resetting your Firefox
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• 1796[13:54:07] <hiya> siraben, I did 2 days ago, now disabling plugins completely
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• 1811[13:59:51] <siraben> hiya: What version of Debian are you running?
• 1812[14:00:07] <hiya> 9
• 1813[14:00:39] <hiya> siraben, I see that running it plugins is gaining memory as it runs or with time
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• 1815[14:01:15] <hiya> It started with 300 MiB
• 1816[14:01:28] <hiya> now took around 1.1 MiB in total but is stuck for a while
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• 1820[14:03:43] <hiya> 1.1GiB*
• 1821[14:03:45] <hiya> 2GB of 3.8GB used right now
• 1822[14:03:47] <hiya> Which is normal
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• 1880[14:35:17] <vlt> Hello. What file (if not .xinitrc) do I need on Debian 9 to tell the X server what program to start on X start?
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• 1882[14:35:59] <vlt> I tried ~/.xinitrc and put an rdesktop command in there but I always get an xterm only.
• 1883[14:37:08] <colo-work> try ~/.xsessionrc
• 1884[14:37:16] <colo-work> (not sure if that still applies, but it did at some point)
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• 1888[14:39:19] <vlt> colo-work: Thanks, I'll try that.
• 1889[14:40:13] <vlt> colo-work: Works! Thank you :)
• 1890[14:40:22] <colo-work> yw :)
• 1891[14:40:25] <colo-work> next
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• 1913[14:47:14] <elim_garak> is this a good location to ask a question about raspbian debian ?
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• 1916[14:48:27] <PerfDave> !raspian
• 1917[14:48:28] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1918[14:48:48] <jkemppainen> elim_garak: try #raspbian or #raspberrypi
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• 1966[15:15:07] <squarecircle> can I use gitlab from the sid repository on my testing system?
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• 1971[15:15:43] <babilen> squarecircle: Generally speaking you can use any package from unstable on testing
• 1972[15:15:47] <babilen> dpkg: tum
• 1973[15:15:47] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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• 1975[15:16:05] <babilen> squarecircle: In fact, in many situations, it is strongly advised to use packages from unstable
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• 1977[15:17:26] <squarecircle> because better security updates
• 1978[15:17:35] <squarecircle> I guess
• 1979[15:18:40] <squarecircle> so I take a stable, or an testing as base system?
• 1980[15:18:51] <squarecircle> babilen: thank you btw
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• 1982[15:19:49] <PerfDave> squarecircle: If you're not used to Debian, run stable.
• 1983[15:20:04] <PerfDave> squarecircle: For Gitlab though, I'd use gitlab's own packages - they work fine on Debian stable.
• 1984[15:20:33] <babilen> squarecircle: replaced-url
• 1985[15:20:41] <squarecircle> I'm quite comfortable with Debian
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• 1987[15:21:20] * PerfDave is currently running Gitlab's .deb packages on Stable, but is considering using their Omnibus Docker image.
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• 1989[15:21:48] <squarecircle> I don't like Docker and the Omnibus stuff
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• 1991[15:22:08] <jelly> squarecircle: actually, testing has worse security than unstable, it's guaranteed to have 2-10 days more delays
• 1992[15:22:29] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Fair enough
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• 1994[15:23:00] <babilen> jelly: Yes. that's why it is "advised to use packages from unstable" in certain situations
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• 2007[15:30:09] <themill> Given it relies on packages that are not in testing and also missed the stretch release, I'm not sure I'd be bothered with the package.
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• 2018[15:37:44] <squarecircle> so I take an Debian stable, add the unstable repo as repo to my apt sources list and then set the preference to stable, so that the packages will be installed from stable
• 2019[15:37:50] <squarecircle> babilen: right?
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• 2022[15:39:21] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Don't mix binary packages from stable and unstable. Bad Things Will Happen.
• 2023[15:40:09] <squarecircle> PerfDave: you tell me the exact opposite from that what babilen told me :/
• 2024[15:40:41] <Ticho_> in these matters, there's always the unspoken proviso "unless you know what you are doing"
• 2025[15:40:48] <themill> squarecircle: you stated earlier you were using testing. Now you have changed that to stable.
• 2026[15:41:07] <colo-work> "certain situations" doesn't include being on stable, but on testing, afaiui ;)
• 2027[15:41:12] <PerfDave> squarecircle: babilen was responding to a point by jelly about security support when you're running testing.
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• 2030[15:42:19] <PerfDave> If you're running testing, you can occasionally bodge in binary packages from unstable which contain security fixes by the maintainers (not the security team). But you have to track it all yourself.
• 2031[15:43:37] <squarecircle> ok, I'll run testing
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• 2034[15:44:51] <hicks_> other option is run stable, then use backports to get packages that are newer. Anything not in backports you can usually backport yourself with a few commands as long as dependancies are met in stable or also backportable (sometimes that's not worth the hassle)
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• 2036[15:45:20] <hicks_> it's a bit more work to get newer packages for the few things you need, but less changes day to day that way.
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• 2040[15:46:16] <hicks_> although looking at gitlab package, I guess that's not an option in this case as it's only in unstable.
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• 2047[15:49:01] <siraben> How do I set the locale in my shell?
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• 2057[15:55:01] <jelly> siraben: libc uses a number of different environment variables to control locale, export LANG=jgflkgdgdjfkg is the catch-all, common one
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• 2060[15:55:33] <siraben> I see.
• 2061[15:56:07] <jelly> "locale" command will show current effective settings
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• 2065[15:59:11] <squarecircle> if I have no /etc/apt/apt.conf, I just can create an empty file for it?
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• 2069[16:00:22] <jelly> if you need to set some options in it, create a non-empty one with those options
• 2070[16:00:39] <squarecircle> ok
• 2071[16:00:41] <Eli_x> hey, trying to install python3.5 on debian 8.0. plz help the retarded
• 2072[16:01:08] <jelly> ,v python3.5
• 2073[16:01:09] <judd> Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.5-1
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• 2076[16:01:49] <jelly> Eli_x: use debian 9, or set up a chroot with debian 9 using debootstrap/schroot/whatever, or build it from source into a separate prefix like /opt/python3.5
• 2077[16:02:03] <Eli_x> well, it's a VPN jelly
• 2078[16:02:13] <Eli_x> so I dunno how successful that's gonna be
• 2079[16:02:35] <jelly> Eli_x: what you do not want to do, is attempt to install packages from a newer debian release onto an older debian release
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• 2081[16:02:47] <Eli_x> judd I need things in command line code or at least explain what you're talking about
• 2082[16:02:49] <judd> No package named 'need' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 2083[16:03:03] <squarecircle> babilen: do I also add the security updates for sid?
• 2084[16:03:15] <jelly> squarecircle: there are no security update for sid
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• 2086[16:03:38] <jelly> (well, there are, but they're accidental and there's no separate repo)
• 2087[16:03:41] <squarecircle> right, I'm stupid
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• 2089[16:04:25] <jelly> Eli_x: which kernel is running on your VPS?
• 2090[16:04:41] <Eli_x> pretend I'm 5
• 2091[16:04:58] <jelly> Eli_x: ask your dad to hire a sysadmin, dearie
• 2092[16:05:11] * jelly hides
• 2093[16:05:12] <Eli_x> cute jelly
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• 2096[16:05:54] <Eli_x> I've been playing with this for like 5 hours now and I could really use some actual help
• 2097[16:06:09] <jelly> Eli_x: what's your general linux experience level?
• 2098[16:06:14] <Eli_x> I've tried using alternate repositories
• 2099[16:06:22] <Eli_x> beginner
• 2100[16:06:36] <Eli_x> I've played with fedora a bit, ran some chat bots
• 2101[16:06:42] <Eli_x> can connect with putty
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• 2106[16:07:06] <Eli_x> I've installed things but everyhting seems to be missing from what I was used to
• 2107[16:07:41] <PerfDave> Eli_x: OK, first question - any particular reason you're running Debian 8 instead of Debian 9?
• 2108[16:07:41] <Eli_x> the bots I was running on fedora were being run with 3.5.4 python, and tornado 4.0
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• 2110[16:07:51] <jelly> Eli_x: the "build your own python 3.6 in a separate prefix" can be facilitated by using pyenv
• 2111[16:07:58] <Eli_x> cause that's what the server I bought yesterday came with PerfDave
• 2112[16:08:05] <Eli_x> if I can update it I'll do that
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• 2114[16:08:31] <jelly> if you can get a VPS with debian 9, do that and then you'll have 3.5 from the distro
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• 2116[16:09:27] <Eli_x> can I not update the software on the VPS I already have
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• 2118[16:10:15] <PerfDave> Eli_x: You can, but if you're a beginner it might be easier to start from scratch.
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• 2120[16:10:52] <PerfDave> Eli_x: Otherwise, follow replaced-url
• 2121[16:10:57] <Eli_x> well PerfDave considering I'm using a discount host I'm not moving anywhere
• 2122[16:10:58] <squarecircle> 1005 packages newly installed
• 2123[16:11:02] <squarecircle> ooph
• 2124[16:11:04] <squarecircle> ok
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• 2129[16:11:46] <Eli_x> is installing 3.5 really that difficult
• 2130[16:12:05] <Eli_x> like I feel being told to move to D9 is overcomplicating things
• 2131[16:12:20] <squarecircle> jelly: PerfDave Eli_x: what about Anaconda?
• 2132[16:12:54] <squarecircle> replaced-url
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• 2134[16:13:27] <squarecircle> that could solve this problem
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• 2137[16:14:20] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Running multiple package managers doesn't seem like a good way to solve any problems TBH
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• 2139[16:14:38] <Eli_x> I've tried this
• 2140[16:14:38] <Eli_x> replaced-url
• 2141[16:14:42] <nick_l> Is there any vnc client which properly captures Windows key and can send it to a recent Mac over VNC?
• 2142[16:15:15] <squarecircle> PerfDave: Conda behaves like Pip, which also maintains its own packages in its virtualenv
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• 2144[16:15:26] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Exactly.
• 2145[16:15:42] <squarecircle> PerfDave: so using Pip is also not a bright idea?
• 2146[16:15:47] <PerfDave> squarecircle: Exactly :)
• 2147[16:16:06] <squarecircle> PerfDave: ok. That, you need to explain
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• 2149[16:16:16] <PerfDave> Eli_x: Debian releases are coherent and holistic collections of software that's tested together. Running the latest stable release is probably a very sensible starting point. It's possible to backport Python 3.5 onto Debian 8, but it's not how things are *supposed* to work, it's a bit awkward and can cause problems further down the line. Really, starting from the latest stable release is the right way to
• 2150[16:16:22] <PerfDave> think about it.
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• 2152[16:16:23] <squarecircle> PerfDave: or you might, if you'd like me to understand :)
• 2153[16:16:43] <Eli_x> replaced-url
• 2154[16:16:44] <Eli_x> and that
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• 2156[16:16:53] <Eli_x> and a bunch of other things
• 2157[16:17:11] <jelly> Eli_x: other options are even more complicated.
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• 2159[16:17:19] <Eli_x> PerfDave I get that
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• 2162[16:17:45] <Eli_x> but for my purposes I doubt that python3.5 is going to royally fuck me
• 2163[16:17:47] <jelly> Eli_x: but hey, go use pyenv on debian 8, it might work
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• 2167[16:18:16] <Eli_x> ugh jelly please can you offer some actual instructions
• 2168[16:18:17] <PerfDave> Eli_x: Until there's a security vulnerability in it that you don't get the patch for?
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• 2170[16:19:13] <Eli_x> I'm spending $2 a month on this server PerfDave, it's not keeping my hopes and dreams on it
• 2171[16:19:22] <jelly> Eli_x: I don't provide step-by-step instructions. If you google pyenv you'll find tutorials that tell you to do something replaced-url
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• 2174[16:19:31] <Eli_x> super
• 2175[16:19:33] <Eli_x> (y)
• 2176[16:19:46] <PerfDave> Eli_x: I'm sure the people who get DDoSed and spammed by your pwned server will appreciate that.
• 2177[16:19:59] <jelly> Eli_x: but don't trust my choice of result. Do your own research.
• 2178[16:20:05] <PerfDave> Eli_x: The instructions you need are replaced-url
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• 2181[16:20:25] <ju2018> Does anybody here know anything about setting up any extra networking card that has two 10Gbit throughput ??? Thanks
• 2182[16:20:33] <Eli_x> good thing it's got limited traffic then PerfDave
• 2183[16:20:57] <jelly> Eli_x: if it's a throwaway system that should provide more incentive to try and do a release upgrade to debian 9
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• 2185[16:21:07] <jelly> if it breaks, you don't lose much
• 2186[16:21:15] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
• 2187[16:21:15] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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• 2190[16:21:52] <Eli_x> well I can't get a new load with D9 on it jelly, I'd have to install it myself
• 2191[16:22:12] <jelly> yes
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• 2193[16:22:33] <Eli_x> so I've got PerfDave over here being all "lol noob don't try"
• 2194[16:22:38] <jelly> PerfDave and dpkg bot show you the way to do an in-place upgrade from debian 8 to 9
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• 2198[16:23:17] <jelly> you can try that, and if it fails, ask your provider to roll back and try something else
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• 2209[16:30:15] <siraben> How do I fix apt issues?
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• 2211[16:31:00] <siraben> replaced-url
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• 2221[16:36:10] <Eli_x> pyenv: Git is not installed, can't continue.
• 2222[16:36:14] <LtL> siraben: i would use a better mirror for one, secondly delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg as it is corrupted by a bug in synaptic.
• 2223[16:36:34] <siraben> For me that's the fastest mirror
• 2224[16:36:47] <siraben> I live in Thailand, so.
• 2225[16:36:59] <siraben> I'll switch to a singapore one then
• 2226[16:37:08] <LtL> siraben: okay thats fine, delete that file, you can re-create anytime.
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• 2228[16:37:30] <siraben> Why is it over HTTP?
• 2229[16:37:42] <PerfDave> Why wouldn't it be?
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• 2232[16:37:53] <PerfDave> Security is provided by checking package signatures
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• 2236[16:39:26] <siraben> replaced-url
• 2237[16:39:38] <siraben> So I switched to the main mirror temporarily
• 2238[16:39:45] <siraben> A 404?
• 2239[16:41:05] <siraben> PerfDave: In case of MITM I suppose
• 2240[16:41:13] <siraben> But I see.
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• 2244[16:42:41] <siraben> LtL: Despite that it still gives an errorreplaced-url
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• 2247[16:42:57] <jelly> Eli_x: install git package, then. As root do, apt-get update && apt-get install git
• 2248[16:43:18] <siraben> I have to go AFK now, but feel free to say anything, I'll read the chat tomorrow morning.
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• 2251[16:44:25] <Eli_x> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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• 2253[16:44:47] <Eli_x> getting the same
• 2254[16:44:49] <Eli_x> pyenv: Git is not installed, can't continue.
• 2255[16:44:51] <Eli_x> error
• 2256[16:44:55] <Eli_x> afterwards
• 2257[16:45:19] <siraben> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 2261[16:46:41] <jelly> siraben: you changed security.debian.org to deb.debian.org by mistake
• 2262[16:47:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1593
• 2263[16:47:07] <jelly> the line with stretch/updates has to point to security.d.o
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• 2265[16:47:10] <Eli_x> nevermnd I didn't run sudo
• 2266[16:47:13] <siraben> jelly: bah
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• 2268[16:48:07] <Eli_x> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2270[16:48:26] <Eli_x> pyenv should be in my path now right?
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• 2273[16:48:38] <siraben> What's the difference between stretch-updates and stretch/updates ?
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• 2276[16:49:08] <jelly> !stable-updates
• 2277[16:49:08] <dpkg> stretch-updates is, like, a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from stretch-updates will be included in point releases. replaced-url
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• 2280[16:50:03] <snape> what should I do if a package is a few years outdated and the maintener is not answering?
• 2281[16:50:08] <snape> (hi)
• 2282[16:50:12] <siraben> jelly: Hey, that's pretty good! replaced-url
• 2283[16:50:22] <siraben> Managed to solve the problem, now I can sleep happy. Thanks so much!
• 2284[16:50:23] <jelly> Eli_x: are you running pyenv as root now? you should probably by running it as normal user not root.
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• 2286[16:50:50] <jelly> snape: volunteer for maintainership? :-)
• 2287[16:51:02] <siraben> jelly: Why is it sayingIgn:1 replaced-url
• 2288[16:51:06] <siraben> Ignored?
• 2289[16:51:25] <jelly> I have no idea, I ignore those lines
• 2290[16:51:27] <Eli_x> jelly: first why? second: I only have a root account set up right now
• 2291[16:51:29] <snape> jelly: How do I volunteer for maintainership?
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• 2293[16:52:15] <siraben> jelly: The apt problems were giving me headaches before, I'm glad it's resolved
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• 2295[16:52:21] <siraben> Why is /etc/apt/trusted.gpg corrupted?
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• 2298[16:52:44] <jelly> siraben: who said it's corrupted?
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• 2302[16:53:11] <siraben> jelly: LtL did
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• 2304[16:53:49] <jelly> siraben: I have no idea about that, sorry
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• 2306[16:54:04] <siraben> Did you have to run "sudo rm /etc/apt/trusted.gpg "
• 2307[16:54:05] <siraben> ?
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• 2310[16:54:49] <jelly> Eli_x: because in general, only maintenance should be done by root account, and building software, including running pyenv, does not have to be done as root.
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• 2313[16:55:05] <Eli_x> ok I'm not trying to run tho
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• 2316[16:55:19] <Eli_x> I just want to load pyenv to the path
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• 2318[16:55:51] <Tenkawa> siraben: that sounds like a bad sources line
• 2319[16:55:56] <jelly> Eli_x: you should create a normal user, and use that for most things. (and add it to normal user's path, not root.)
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• 2321[16:56:20] <siraben> Tenkawa: Must be the sources then. Oh well, I deleted my sources file and just used the Synaptic GUI and everything was fine.
• 2322[16:56:45] <Eli_x> why does this have to be so convoluted .__.
• 2323[16:57:16] <Tenkawa> siraben: cool
• 2324[16:57:28] <jelly> Eli_x: because you seem to be missing fundamental knowledge, and your system is badly configured (no normal user)
• 2325[16:58:03] <Eli_x> well I'm glad you want to hold that key
• 2326[16:58:11] <jelly> you're basically asking "why do I have to learn to walk, I just want to sprint"
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• 2328[16:59:03] <Eli_x> I'm just trying to host some bots off my physical server, jelly
• 2329[16:59:16] <Eli_x> I'm not trying to become some epic webmaster
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• 2333[16:59:35] <jelly> and you're still missing fundamentals yet trying to use old systems
• 2334[16:59:41] <Guest13234> Hello all, is there a way to show the last connexion with ssh pub key information ?
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• 2339[17:00:10] <Guest13234> I mean, i have a old pubkey in my authorized file, i would like to know if it used yet ?
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• 2345[17:01:19] <jelly> Eli_x: if you don't want to learn a ton of new stuff, pay someone to set things up
• 2346[17:01:46] <Eli_x> even if I've done some of this stuff before, jelly, I don't and will never do it enough to remember it all again and again. but thanks jelly, you're being real open source
• 2347[17:02:18] <siraben> Which wireless hardware allows one to change their MAC address in Debian?
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• 2350[17:02:44] <siraben> the macchanger package does not allow me to change my MAC address (MacBook Pro 2012)
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• 2354[17:03:19] <jelly> Eli_x: sorry, maybe someone else wants to feed people ready commands. I'm not here for that, I'm here to help people who want to learn and remember things
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• 2356[17:04:00] <jelly> and use best practices, which includes not running shit as root
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• 2358[17:04:53] <Eli_x> which is funny, since I got in shit from #fedora for not running things as root
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• 2367[17:09:10] <jelly> Eli_x: so letting aside the normal user for a bit, that output is telling you to edit ~/.bash_profile, append that stuff, and log out and log back in for it to be applied
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• 2369[17:09:34] <jelly> use nano or vi
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• 2375[17:10:38] <jelly> the interactive shell only reads its config files once, at start (and it's started at login)
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• 2385[17:17:36] <Eli_x> so ~/ only has .profile
• 2386[17:18:02] <Eli_x> which I used edit .profile and now I can't get out, :q worked the first time, but I hadn't added anything to it
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• 2389[17:21:03] <Eli_x> eh figured it out
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• 2392[17:21:39] <Eli_x> jelly, if I don't have bash_profile, .profile should work yes?
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• 2394[17:22:08] <jelly> it will work if user's login shell is /bin/sh
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• 2396[17:22:23] <jelly> getent passwd username
• 2397[17:22:40] <jelly> or, grep ^username: /etc/passwd
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• 2401[17:23:32] <jelly> if it's /bin/bash, create the ~/.bash_profile and add stuff there if it does not exist
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• 2404[17:24:36] <Eli_x> so what if nothing shows up and it just goes to the next line
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• 2412[17:28:11] <Jo-Con-El> Is there anyone here from the NM group?
• 2413[17:28:13] <Eli_x> oh you meant [username]
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• 2420[17:29:33] <Jo-Con-El> I sent a mail to nm@debian.org 3 days ago but I'm still waiting.
• 2421[17:30:12] <jelly> Jo-Con-El: hm, ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net server (same as irc.debian.org if you're already there)
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• 2425[17:31:54] <Jo-Con-El> Thanks, jelly.
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• 2429[17:32:24] <jelly> Eli_x: right, that'd be "getent passwd root" if "root" was the username you're looking for
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• 2431[17:33:11] <Jo-Con-El> jelly: I'm in Freenode, are they the same IRC networks?
• 2432[17:33:54] <EmleyMoor> Jo-Con-El: No, OFTC is a different network
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• 2434[17:35:16] <Jo-Con-El> EmleyMoor: Oh, shoot, this is *so* much better, in the debian-mentors channel here there are 5 people, and that one is full. Thanks!
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• 2439[17:37:34] <alkisg> Is there a list of all the debian kernel metapackages somewhere? Like, linux-image-686, linux-image-686-pae, linux-image-rt-686-pae, ...?
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• 2451[17:39:43] <Tenkawa> alkisg: apt-cache search linux-image-
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• 2456[17:40:40] <Tenkawa> that will list all that are available in your databases configured
• 2457[17:41:31] <Tenkawa> hopefully that will help
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• 2459[17:43:30] <alkisg> Tenkawa: unfortnately that would only list the ones of my current dpkg architecture, i.e. i386, and I won't see amd64 or even -rpi kernels, right?
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• 2461[17:43:48] <Tenkawa> alkisg: correct
• 2462[17:44:09] <Tenkawa> I have multiarch in my dpkg
• 2463[17:44:14] * alkisg would like to see the other ones too...
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• 2465[17:45:53] <Tenkawa> I'll have to defer to someone else on this one
• 2466[17:46:00] <alkisg> np, thanks a lot though
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• 2469[17:47:29] <PerfDave> alkisg: packages.debian.org ?
• 2470[17:47:59] <alkisg> PerfDave: unfortnately, if I put linux-image there, it will tell me "too many results" and will only show me the first few ones
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• 2472[17:49:13] <PerfDave> alkisg: replaced-url
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• 2475[17:49:53] <alkisg> (and the funny part there is, if I select "stretch" there, it doesn't show any packages at all, because linux-image is too generic)
• 2476[17:49:59] <alkisg> PerfDave: ah, thanks, looking there...
• 2477[17:50:31] <alkisg> Hmm no, it doesn't contain the metapackages :/
• 2478[17:51:50] <PerfDave> Ah yeah, they're probably not built from the kernel source package
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• 2481[17:53:39] <alkisg> The good part is that it does list all the names, so I'm able to "discover" the metapackage names. Thanks!
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• 2485[17:55:34] <jelly> alkisg: apt-cache show packagename also shows the Source:
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• 2492[17:56:29] <alkisg> jelly: good call, so, this is the list: replaced-url
• 2493[17:56:39] <alkisg> I.e. the metapackages are built from linux-latest
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• 2495[17:57:09] <jelly> I'm using tracker.d.o more than packages.d.o or packages.qa.d.o these days replaced-url
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• 2502[18:03:25] <scwizard> could someone add a LICENCE file to this repo? replaced-url
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• 2506[18:03:42] <scwizard> obviously would prefer MIT, but yeah up to you, just so it's clear
• 2507[18:03:59] <PerfDave> scwizard: Probably the people at replaced-url
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• 2511[18:04:36] <scwizard> oh that's only on debian irc
• 2512[18:04:37] <scwizard> blehhhh
• 2513[18:04:42] <scwizard> i'll email them
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• 2596[18:48:35] <fartonheart> i removed a package deluge and when try to remove it again it says the package does not exit
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• 2600[18:49:13] <fartonheart> its icon is there and when i click it opens too
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• 2603[18:49:42] <fartonheart> debian is that easy
• 2604[18:49:47] <fartonheart> :)
• 2605[18:50:01] <fartonheart> please help me to remove deluge
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• 2607[18:50:37] <fartonheart> what i should do to make debian as easy as windows
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• 2610[18:51:45] <fartonheart> the software GUI interface is very nice thing in debian but it always return error when i select a sftware and click on install button
• 2611[18:52:04] <fartonheart> i changed my nick from Jaami to this
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• 2614[18:52:41] <greycat> fartonheart: open a terminal. Then become root. Then type "apt remove deluge".
• 2615[18:52:49] <fartonheart> yes
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• 2617[18:53:04] <fartonheart> great answer, i knew i did not do nothing wrong
• 2618[18:53:12] <Learner> Hi
• 2619[18:53:20] <fartonheart> thanks God, you and i think alike
• 2620[18:53:45] <Learner> Does anyone know a good program to switch desktops like in cinnamon?
• 2621[18:54:01] <fartonheart> greycat: it did something and i thought deluge was gone but hell no
• 2622[18:54:50] <fartonheart> yes, with su - root
• 2623[18:55:07] <greycat> fartonheart: if you think it didn't work, then copy the entire terminal session (starting with the shell prompt + the command you typed, and including the ENTIRE output) into replaced-url
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• 2625[18:55:36] <fartonheart> ok, let me do it
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• 2629[18:57:58] <yans> y0
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• 2635[18:59:48] <fartonheart> oh, another issue. sorry i already removed firefox so how do i use the paste.debian.org ? is there a way to send the output from terminal to the url
• 2636[19:00:10] <fartonheart> or, if i should get the browser first?
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• 2638[19:00:23] <greycat> If you don't have a working graphical web browser, that should be a MUCH higher priority than REMOVING something that actually works.
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• 2642[19:01:21] <fartonheart> your English is a hammer
• 2643[19:01:28] <fartonheart> :)
• 2644[19:01:31] <fartonheart> let me get the browser
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• 2656[19:10:31] <fartonheart> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2658[19:11:19] <greycat> fartonheart: OK. As yourself (not root), what does "type deluge" say?
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• 2661[19:13:04] <fartonheart> greycat: replaced-url
• 2662[19:13:15] <greycat> shouldn't need a paste.* for one line :(
• 2663[19:13:28] <fartonheart> hmm?
• 2664[19:13:30] <greycat> fartonheart: OK, try remove the deluge-gtk package as well.
• 2665[19:13:41] <fartonheart> ok, just a minute
• 2666[19:13:53] <fartonheart> as root right?
• 2667[19:13:58] <greycat> yes
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• 2670[19:14:48] <fartonheart> hehehe its gone with the wind :)
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• 2674[19:15:47] <fartonheart> please dont go. i want the qt browser QuipZilla. how do i get it
• 2675[19:15:56] <rxw> Hi all! I've been trying to figure out uefi secure boot on debian, and now I'm considering of turning secure boot off my mobo. Is secure boot really "secure"? I have tried to find out about this and that is it really necessary? Is there any news on uefi secure boot status on debian 9/testing/sid ?
• 2676[19:16:22] <greycat> I don't know why there's separate deluge-gtk and deluge packages. Debian seems to have a cultural bias toward producing more than one package when one package would be the ideal number.
• 2677[19:16:23] <fartonheart> QupZilla ***
• 2678[19:16:37] <rhizome> are there obvious advantages of running mdraid under lvm vs. plain /dev/mdX?
• 2679[19:16:54] <fartonheart> greycat: i agreed 1000% with you
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• 2681[19:17:51] <rhizome> rxw: might be simplistic, but I just think of it as a windows thing
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• 2683[19:18:41] <fartonheart> greycat: E: Unable to locate package QupZilla . please help again
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• 2685[19:18:51] <greycat> I have no idea what that is, or how to get it.
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• 2687[19:19:02] <fartonheart> haaannn???
• 2688[19:19:23] <greycat> Why would that surprise you? I've literally never heard of this thing before and I don't know why you would think anyone else had, either.
• 2689[19:19:51] <fartonheart> right, my apologies
• 2690[19:20:40] <rhizome> qupzilla-plugin-kwallet - transitional package for qupzilla-plugin-kwallet
• 2691[19:20:42] <fartonheart> its a web browser built on Qt language. the descrption says Its very fast. so i will kick out firefox and get QupZilla
• 2692[19:20:43] <rhizome> that's it
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• 2695[19:21:20] <greycat> Oh, it's qupzilla not quipzilla
• 2696[19:21:24] <greycat> ,v qupzilla
• 2697[19:21:25] <judd> Package: qupzilla on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.6.6-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.6-2; stretch: 1.8.9~dfsg1-3.1
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• 2699[19:21:44] <rxw> rhizome: Yep :) You're right. I might have been thinking about this too much.
• 2700[19:21:46] <rhizome> ah, not testing then
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• 2702[19:21:54] <greycat> See, as soon as I see "qt" I think "fucking C++ crap" and just immediately dismiss it.
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• 2704[19:22:20] <fartonheart> actually, recently, firefox was not opening new tab page in lttrally 10 to 15 seconds. that pain will be gone with QupZilla i think so
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• 2707[19:22:42] <greycat> I guess you will find out.
• 2708[19:22:44] <rhizome> QT is a tractor in a world with electric cars
• 2709[19:23:17] <rhizome> fartonheart: sorry, but i bet you have something else going on
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• 2711[19:23:27] * greycat agrees
• 2712[19:23:45] <fartonheart> greycat: ohh, is that so? really, i hate chromium and firefox is killing my i7-16GBRAM
• 2713[19:24:04] <greycat> And yes, firefox is well known to be a bloated pig of a thing, and needs to be restarted every couple days, so it *could* just have been a regular old leak.
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• 2717[19:24:23] <fartonheart> Yes, something is going on crazy in my system.
• 2718[19:24:28] <fartonheart> :(
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• 2720[19:24:49] <greycat> Have you tried basic things like "top"?
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• 2723[19:25:05] <fartonheart> what you guys use for browsing?
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• 2725[19:25:14] <greycat> google-chrome and firefox-esr
• 2726[19:25:21] <fartonheart> does top run good for youtube?
• 2727[19:25:30] <fartonheart> ohh
• 2728[19:25:38] <greycat> top is a basic system process/load display tool
• 2729[19:25:46] <fartonheart> i like firefox but something went wrong with it
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• 2731[19:26:01] <fartonheart> ohh ok
• 2732[19:26:02] <greycat> If your system is "running slowly", top is usually the first thing you look at. Unless it's the second thing, after "uptime".
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• 2734[19:26:19] <rhizome> fartonheart: i regularly and consistently have probably a couple hundred tabs over a large handful of instances of firefox on a dusty i5-2400
• 2735[19:26:19] <fartonheart> top, okay. i get it
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• 2737[19:26:45] <fartonheart> rhizome: hahahaha. i got you
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• 2742[19:27:37] <fartonheart> i use VM rather easy to refresh everything in few seconds
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• 2744[19:28:00] <rhizome> htop vs top is a little prettier
• 2745[19:28:31] <fartonheart> okay
• 2746[19:28:32] <tw> If something is going crazy in your VM, it's possible the issue is being caused by the host system. Yay resource sharing.
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• 2748[19:28:51] <tw> depending on the issue, of course.
• 2749[19:29:30] <rhizome> VM multiplies the number of spinning plates
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• 2751[19:30:18] <fartonheart> actually, a week ago i installed a certificate on debian host that was actually supposed to go on windows host. and after that day firefox was going on a bumpy road
• 2752[19:31:05] <rhizome> have you considered removing it again
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• 2754[19:31:31] <fartonheart> Yes, i do need to refresh my debian. i guess is a big pain and at all ost i avoid it
• 2755[19:31:40] <greycat> I don't immediately see a reason why installing a certificate would affect performance of a web browser.
• 2756[19:31:41] <rhizome> i meant the cert
• 2757[19:32:21] <rhizome> install_cert.msi could have some unintended consequences
• 2758[19:32:29] <fartonheart> i did try to find it but i forgot which one was that. but today i encountered he same certificate on another windows VM. now i know which one is that cert. but need help to remove that crap
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• 2760[19:33:30] <fartonheart> greycat: may be i am just looking for a reason to through blame on anything slowing my system
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• 2763[19:35:04] <fartonheart> i think i should go for the htop/top at this time
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• 2766[19:35:45] <jhutchins_wk> A cert is a cert, they're text files.
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• 2768[19:36:41] <fartonheart> Yes, but always want something to do with root
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• 2771[19:38:09] <fartonheart> Thank you everybody. This day is good.
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• 2848[20:11:12] <squarecircle> I tried to install gitlab, but it crashes from a npm dependency
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• 2852[20:12:17] <squarecircle> 13 silly lockFile d5475ddd-yarn yarn@
• 2853[20:12:17] <squarecircle> 14 verbose lock yarn@ /var/lib/gitlab/.npm/d5475ddd-yarn.lock
• 2854[20:12:17] <squarecircle> 15 silly addNameRange { name: 'yarn', range: '*', hasData: false }
• 2855[20:12:17] <squarecircle> 16 verbose request where is /yarn
• 2856[20:12:28] <squarecircle> oops
• 2857[20:12:41] <rhizome> npm dependency problems? perish the thought.
• 2858[20:12:58] <squarecircle> npm ERR! TypeError: Invalid argument: family must be 4 or 6
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• 2860[20:13:18] <greycat> ,v gitlab
• 2861[20:13:19] <judd> Package: gitlab on amd64 -- stretch: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8; stretch-proposed-updates: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8+deb9u1; stretch-security: 8.13.11+dfsg1-8+deb9u1; sid/contrib: 10.6.3+dfsg-1
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• 2897[20:37:24] <daniel__> My computer shuts down at about ~60% battery on Debian. The battery is brand new, and it doesn't shut down on Windows. What could it be?
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• 2958[21:01:54] <rhizome> dD_: does it start up again if you press the pwr button
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• 2965[21:09:23] <_0xbadc0de_> hello
• 2966[21:09:48] <_0xbadc0de_> badcoder@corsair:~/play_ld$ ld --export-all-symbols --oformat pe-i386 --dll -o test.dll test.obj
• 2967[21:09:51] <_0xbadc0de_> ld: unrecognized option '--export-all-symbols'
• 2968[21:09:54] <_0xbadc0de_> ld: use the --help option for usage information
• 2969[21:10:00] <_0xbadc0de_> what is going on?
• 2970[21:10:30] <greycat> which version of Debian, and which version of ld is that?
• 2971[21:10:35] <jhutchins_wk> You've used an unrecognised option and need to consult the documentation.
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• 2976[21:14:23] <_0xbadc0de_> LOL
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• 2980[21:15:07] <_0xbadc0de_> @jhutchins_wk: thank you for the suggestion, it didnt cross my mind to read the docs >_>
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• 2983[21:15:27] <_0xbadc0de_> badcoder@corsair:~/play_ld$ uname -a
• 2984[21:15:27] <_0xbadc0de_> Linux corsair 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 2987[21:15:49] <_0xbadc0de_> Report bugs to <replaced-url
• 2988[21:15:49] <_0xbadc0de_> badcoder@corsair:~/play_ld$ ld --version
• 2989[21:15:49] <_0xbadc0de_> GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.28
• 2990[21:15:49] <_0xbadc0de_> Copyright (C) 2017 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
• 2991[21:15:51] <_0xbadc0de_> This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of
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• 2994[21:16:09] <dzz007> Hey guys, my rpcbind seems like listening 0.0.0.0:972, is it normal? The full output for netstat -anp is "udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:972 0.0.0.0:* 1645/rpcbind"
• 2995[21:16:13] <_0xbadc0de_> they weren't that many lines
• 2996[21:16:20] <raktajino> yeah there were lol
• 2997[21:16:21] <raktajino> use a gist
• 2998[21:16:22] <vlt> Hello. Our main server isn't reachable anymore. journalctl says this: replaced-url
• 2999[21:16:25] <raktajino> or whatever
• 3000[21:16:33] <raktajino> the topic says /msg dpkg paste
• 3001[21:16:47] <_0xbadc0de_> GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.28
• 3002[21:16:53] <_0xbadc0de_> thats the version
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• 3005[21:17:17] <greycat> _0xbadc0de_: OK, well, the man page says this option is only valid under certain conditions. You may need to ask a more specific channel, like ##workingset or #gnu.
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• 3007[21:18:32] <greycat> dzz007: what makes you think it's not normal?
• 3008[21:18:33] <jolt> vlt: I'm not an expert, but I think something happened with the network car. Looks like the watchdog (which check how responsive it is) has hung for eth0. Not sure if it has to do with xen or a xen host, but it's definitely something in that area
• 3009[21:19:12] <dzz007> greycat, because i thought rpcbind only listens to 111 port by default
• 3010[21:19:35] <dzz007> And I googled a little bit about 972 port, nothing online said its related to rpcbind
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• 3012[21:19:57] <jolt> vlt: Have you perhaps seen performance issues with one of the hosts on the xen box? If so, it might explain it. Otherwise I would look into if there is any known issues with your particular kernel version and that particular network card (ardware name: Intel Corporation S5520HC/S5520HC)
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• 3014[21:20:50] <jolt> vlt: Or just replace the network card (but check compatibility if you are buing something new)
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• 3016[21:21:40] <vlt> jolt: That server usually runs fine for months. Current uptime is around 30 days, I'd say.
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• 3018[21:22:29] <jolt> vlt: Like I said, it's hard to say, but something definitely hung the network card, and the kernel kicked it out. I just assume you are using xen (because of xenbr), so it might be a host thats trying to do something it should not.
• 3019[21:22:30] <vlt> jolt: In January I did a spectre/meltdown kernel update, yes.
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• 3022[21:23:05] <vlt> jolt: Any idea how I can try to reactivate the network?
• 3023[21:23:18] <dzz007> greycat, Umm maybe its just a random port that it listens on.
• 3024[21:23:22] * vlt trying not to have to reboot :D
• 3025[21:23:32] <dzz007> I restarted rpcbind services it switched to 811
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• 3027[21:23:37] <jolt> vlt: But I haven't used xen for years and years, so I cant even begin to explain how to look into log/debug for xen hosts to see if those are the culprit, or if it's just a network card that became bad due to cabling/power failures or whatnot. Hardware fails :/
• 3028[21:23:56] <kazdax> how do i install deb files ?
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• 3030[21:24:11] <vlt> jolt: Ok, thank you very much.
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• 3032[21:24:20] <jolt> vlt: Thats though. Maybe try to remove the kernel module or something. I'm afraid it's outside my expertise
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• 3034[21:24:48] <jolt> vlt: And restart whatever part of xen has to do with the bridging/network functionality
• 3035[21:25:03] <jolt> vlt: or even the xen hosts if possible
• 3036[21:25:29] <vlt> jolt: I think I'll just freeze the machines and reboot the host.
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• 3039[21:26:09] <jolt> vlt: Probably the best thing to do. Usually hard to do anything to get it back in my experience
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• 3041[21:26:35] <jolt> vlt: but remove the module, try and re-initiate the network card with some probing or so might do it
• 3042[21:26:46] <jolt> but you probably want to restart at some point just to be sure
• 3043[21:27:04] <jolt> vlt: and maybe hook in another card to have a backup link while you are at it
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• 3047[21:28:08] <vlt> jolt: This intel board has two onboard NICs, I wonder if the second would work if I plugged it in.
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• 3050[21:28:46] <vlt> jolt: I'm just too far from the location right now.
• 3051[21:28:47] <jolt> vlt: probablby worth a shot, could always bond them if you have some switch knowledge, or so
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• 3053[21:28:55] <jolt> vlt: Yeah, thats also though
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• 3056[21:29:52] <jolt> tough even
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• 3096[21:52:21] <Learnerwind> Hey. Why grub on isos are pretty and on the actual installation are kind of grosse? I feel like the designers of an iso have too much more freedon to customize their grub
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• 3098[21:53:31] <qman> you are free to customize it as much as you want
• 3099[21:53:33] <alkisg> Is it grub on isos, or is it syslinux?
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• 3102[21:53:54] <qman> generally, media designed to be bootable is modified to make it eaiser to pick the right option
• 3103[21:54:02] <qman> easier*
• 3104[21:54:05] <rhizome> how do i use comic sans in grub
• 3105[21:54:16] <qman> while an installed system is expected to just work, so it's usually set up to be minimally intrusive
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• 3135[22:05:32] <vlt> jolt: I have frozen all the guest machines. Then I ran `rmmod igb; modprobe igb`, then `systemctl restart networking`. Server is back online.
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• 3138[22:06:06] <vlt> jolt: I think I'll reboot it anyways now that the machines are down or frozen :D
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• 3192[22:32:03] <kazdax> i figured out why my virtual machines were running slow
• 3193[22:32:13] <kazdax> id int enable virtualization in the bios
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• 3195[22:32:42] <annadane> oh, that may solve some of my issues too
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• 3197[22:33:10] <kazdax> yea i thought it was enabled all this time
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• 3222[22:47:43] <dD_> rhizome, no, it doesn't start up again if I press the power button
• 3223[22:48:23] <dD_> rhizome, but if I connect it, turn it on, and disconnect it, it boots
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• 3260[23:02:04] <vlt> Hello. On a Debian 8 machine as xen dom0 I used `xl save <domain> <save_file>` to freeze a domU. The save process wrote the initial config file value for "memory = 8000" to the save file even though I had increased the memory size to something like 20000. The size of the .save file is 19464411855.
• 3261[23:02:08] <vlt> Any idea how to restore that?
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• 3315[23:18:06] <dD_> rhizome, sorry, had to reboot, not sure if you got the message, but no, it doesn't start up again if I press the power button , but if I connect it, turn it on, and disconnected, it boots .
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• 3322[23:21:44] <agustafson> Is there any way to tag traffic in the Debian installer? I see some discussion about it on forums but don't see anyone actually managing to do it.
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• 3324[23:22:30] <agustafson> Referring to tagging with 802.1q vlans
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• 3332[23:24:23] <PerfDave> agustafson: Interesting one... off the top of my head, you could try skipping the "set up networking" stage of the installer, switch to a terminal (Alt-F3 or something) and manually bring it up yourself, assuming the installer has VLAN support.
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• 3339[23:30:00] <am_ex> I have a problem with my 2,4GHz wireless mouse when I try to copy some files via USB 3.0... Mouse cursor is freezing and moving discret... Who knows how can I solve this problem?
• 3340[23:30:00] <am_ex> My system is Ubuntu 18.04, SSD 512, 16Gb DDR3, USB3.0, Mouse Logitech Anywhere MX 2
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• 3342[23:30:10] <annadane> !ubuntu
• 3343[23:30:10] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 3350[23:33:29] <am_ex> ok
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• 3376[23:50:35] <garlok> Hi all, is there a way to know what is the last connexion a an ssh user using a pub key in a server ?
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• 3378[23:51:24] <PerfDave> garlok: /var/log/auth.log ?
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• 3382[23:53:25] <garlok> PerfDave, yep, how identify the pubkey used by a user ?
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• 3390[23:59:26] <garlok> I got something like that :
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• 3392[23:59:41] <garlok> Accepted publickey for ansible from x.X.X.X port 59934 ssh2: RSA 5a:5d:18:5d:21:b4:e3:f3:8a:ec:c3:d6:93:99:87:ae
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