5[00:01:29] <cyveris> What command are you entering exactly?
6[00:01:52] <wwilliam> for x in
702588_NY_STMT_#10_002.PS.done;do scp
PrismaDC:/u/CCDev/nypass/"$x" testtemp/"$x".tmp
&& cd testtemp/ && mv -v -- "$x".tmp
"${x%.tmp}";done
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27[00:09:40] <Meteorhead> hey people, I've setup debian
but have some trouble with LUKS, thus, not mounting home, I
didn't touch anything so everything is the default ones; fstab
is the same UUID in crypttab
47[00:24:40] <oxek> When I try to attach an .iso to
virt-manager, I get the warning "The emulator may not have
search permissions for the path '/path/to/iso'."
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70[00:50:20] <jmcnaught> oxek: you can add a new storage pool
in libvirt that points to a directory in your home, but the images
you create in virt-manager are going to be owned by root and
-rw-------
71[00:50:54] <jmcnaught> oxek: I just put image files
(including .iso) in /var/lib/libvirt/images
189[01:29:22] <oxek> not sure how much they are now, maybe more
expensive due to corona?
190[01:29:28] <oxek> it's samsung 860 pro
191[01:29:31] <Meteorhead> sney, just came back, I actually
solved the luks problem by removing the key file from the crypttab,
now it works, thank you very much :)
192[01:29:40] <dvs> I got a WD Black for just over $200
193[01:29:42] <sney> np
194[01:29:50] <oxek> unfortunately it is SATA3 and not the nvme
stuff
211[01:42:36] <R0b0t1`> hi, am looking for some light debian dev
help, is here ok? I wish to sbuild say, the base install packages
and the top most popular 100 or so, and check their reproducibility
for a variety of architectures
212[01:43:10] <mi11k1> umm, next guy
213[01:43:22] <mi11k1> i Have no idea what that is for
214[01:43:34] <sney> R0b0t1`: #packaging on oftc might be more
appropriate
215[01:44:15] <R0b0t1`> FINE
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261[02:20:14] <urxtnw> I've installed openvpn on one laptop
and I was able to open it, configure it, etc. but on my other
laptop, i try to run openvpn, and even though it's installed it
says "openvpn command not found"
262[02:20:32] <mi11k1> audi
263[02:20:36] <mi11k1> audi
264[02:20:41] <mi11k1> f sudo
265[02:20:53] <ThothCastel> from the image below - how come the
systemctl status iptables shows no service running for the same
service that above shows the iptables content??
279[02:22:03] <mi11k1> u gotta put the full path where u are
280[02:22:11] <mi11k1> whereis openvpn
281[02:22:29] <mi11k1> and try with the whole path
282[02:22:31] <urxtnw> oh wow thank you that fixed it mi11k1 but
what does
283[02:22:34] <ThothCastel> jmcnaught: right
284[02:22:42] <ThothCastel> so the table exists
285[02:22:43] <mi11k1> it's just magic
286[02:22:46] <urxtnw> mi11k1 that command to, the "-"
287[02:22:49] <ThothCastel> but the firewall is not runnning,
correct?
288[02:23:00] <Whyvn> if a device i want to mount is not showing
up with lsblk, does that mean I cannot mount the device? I have an
ereader I want to transfer media to, which is supported through usb.
When I connect the device I confirm the prompt to go into usb mode,
but on my computer I do no see the device to mount it.
289[02:23:20] <mi11k1> demagogue
290[02:23:24] <mi11k1> dmesg
291[02:23:25] <ThothCastel> for the firewall to be on, the
iptable service needs to be running and the table must exist -
correct?
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293[02:23:27] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: iptables is just a way to
control netfilter, which is a feature of the kernel.
294[02:23:32] <mi11k1> -w and plug it in
295[02:24:00] <mi11k1> iptables and hit tab a few times
296[02:24:05] <ThothCastel> jmcnaught: ok so does that mean that
I don't have a firewall running at the moment?
297[02:24:23] <mi11k1> all ports are closed unless they're
open
298[02:24:31] <ThothCastel> as I understand from your sentence,
my debian buster fresh install has the rules
299[02:24:35] <mi11k1> nmap yer self
300[02:24:59] <mi11k1> are u afraid cause u have porn?
301[02:25:02] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: you have active firewall
rules in your screenshot. There does not need to be a service
running for the firewall.
302[02:25:14] <jmcnaught> mi11k1: it's quiet time please.
303[02:25:57] <mi11k1> the only ppl that don't get this is
ppl with porn
321[02:36:06] <jmcnaught> ThothCastel: firewalld is a
daemon/service that uses with iptables or nftables in the
background, but I don't know much about it.
345[03:03:10] <tinfoil-hat> Hi, I discovered, that imagemagick
has a gui when opening an image from firefox downlaod manager
however, I can't find the executable, to put in into cwm's
menu
356[03:07:08] <tinfoil-hat> somiaj: I wanted to compress an
image, but convert -compress 80% doesn't take the % and in the
manpage there is just standing it want's a value, but what
value?
372[03:10:12] <somiaj> kristijonas: not really, stretch is still
supported
373[03:10:15] <somiaj> !stretch
374[03:10:15] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current
<oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17.
"Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see
replaced-url
375[03:10:23] <tinfoil-hat> hemimaniac: yeah, I found it kinda
neat, that's why I searched for the executable
392[03:16:49] <kristijonas> Right. So whats the first step to
try to resume upgrade?
393[03:16:57] <somiaj> after you reboot run 'dpkg
--configure -a' and 'apt -f install' to make sure
everything finished configuring
394[03:20:16] <kristijonas> Thanks. Just in case the system gets
unfixable, but terminal and internet seems to work, is it somehow
possible to download the installtiom iso and make it boot? I
don't sadly have other computer now usb stick with me.
395[03:20:47] <somiaj> yea, you only need wget and cp to get a
bootable usb drive
396[03:20:56] <somiaj> so console and internet is more than
enough
407[03:27:11] <b1ackandwh1te> i backup in other ways but
408[03:27:23] <b1ackandwh1te> just to inform
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410[03:28:16] <annadane> we do have a bug tracking system, but
you should be sure it's a bug before filing it
411[03:28:27] <annadane> it's possible you're using it
wrong
412[03:28:30] <annadane> !doesn't work
413[03:28:30] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
434[03:34:42] <dpkg> kristijonas: That isn't an error, post
the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
435[03:35:44] <somiaj> kristijonas: that is strange you have a
dependency issue, did you have any thrid party packages installed?
Also to provide you any help we need full output, not paraphrased,
use paste.debian.net
439[03:39:33] <somiaj> the third party packages on your system
could still cause problems holding things back, anyways, full output
and maybe we can help track down some issues, but you'll have
to manually fix the errors.
442[03:40:46] <somiaj> if you have aptitude, aptitude search ~o
should list packages that aren't currently in your sources
443[03:41:14] <kristijonas> Somiaj, not so good at this. Can I
somehow try to post the needed output via console or i should just
make photos with the phone and upload it?
458[03:45:56] <somiaj> apt -f install would also be better, need
to figure out the dependency issues, as the ones we see are all
dependency issues
459[03:46:04] <somiaj> !pastebinit
460[03:46:05] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a
<pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get
install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste
the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 |
pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit
-l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
461[03:46:10] <somiaj> !termcap
462[03:46:11] <dpkg> i heard termcap is the old fashioned way of
describing terminal capabilities, not used by Debian since
<sarge>. If you want to compile a program that claims to need
termcap, try the ncurses termcap emulation instead. It's as
simple as linking with ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace
the '-ltermcap' with '-lncurses' in the
makefile) and /etc/termcap is not required.
470[03:48:37] <morph8hprom> Alright, so I just recently upgraded
from Stretch to Buster, and kept my /home directory on a separate
partition. The issue is...probably a year ago or so I set up for a
terminal and firefox-esr to open on startup, and I can not for the
life of me remember how now that I want to disable it. I've
checked init.d, .desktop/autostart, and even the GUI
Settings->Session and Startup menu, with absolutely
471[03:48:43] <morph8hprom> no luck. I'm using XFCE4 if
that matters.
476[03:49:35] <morph8hprom> I've been combing through
search results hoping that ANYTHING would look familiar, but nothing
does, and I can't find anywhere that would be causing this.
490[03:54:24] <morph8hprom> On my first boot with Buster, the
two applications DID NOT open, however my themes were a little
jacked up. After rebooting today, themes/panels were reset to
default (questioned at the start for empty panel or default), and
both applications opened.
544[04:18:05] <joepublic> if you make a new user account,
what's to stop you from copying them over?
545[04:18:19] <morph8hprom> dvs The only thing I don't
understand is that the only partition I didn't format on
upgrade was my /home partition, so it would have to be something in
there.
546[04:18:53] <morph8hprom> sorry, upgrade is the wrong term...I
just burned an iso and booted/installed from the disc.
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548[04:20:22] <morph8hprom> I guess I could just make another
user and copy the Downloads and Documents folders though. Might take
a little time, but probably less time than this whole fiasco is
taking.
549[04:22:53] <dvs> morph8hprom, when does the program start?
when you login?
552[04:23:42] <morph8hprom> I've checked init.d, .desktop,
and everywhere else mentioned in pages on pages of search results
with no solution.
553[04:23:54] <dvs> morph8hprom, then it probably has to do with
your Startup programs in the desktop environment's startup
programs in your setting.
554[04:24:16] <morph8hprom> I'm using xfce4
555[04:24:48] <dvs> I use KDE so I don't know where it is.
556[04:25:14] <morph8hprom> Hrm...alright. I actually installed
KDE as well and was considering switching to it, but I wanted to see
if I could get this to work first.
563[04:29:09] <morph8hprom> dvs: Not seeing any command for
xfce4-terminal, just customization and a couple of path variables
564[04:29:43] <Lampion> Hello everyone, I'm a nigh total
newbie at Debian and will try to understand, install and configure
iptables on my computer, may I come here for help if I meet
difficulties ?
565[04:30:32] <annadane> you sure can
566[04:30:42] <dvs> Lampion, did you install iptables-persistant
package?
569[04:31:22] <Lampion> Thanks, not yet I'm still looking
at an introductive tutorial before I delve into the mettle of it.
570[04:31:27] <sney> Lampion: you should also consider whether
you need iptables. a computer in your house on a private network
doesn't need its own firewall, for instance. debian is pretty
locked down by default.
572[04:32:49] <Lampion> I know it's very secure, but
I'll be joining an informatics school next year and I'd
like to have a few things in my bag when I'll go there, not to
start from scratch.
573[04:33:12] <sney> good answer. carry on
574[04:33:15] <Lampion> Plus, I'll have to find a job, and
any personnal project regarding sysnetadministration will help
575[04:33:27] <sney> !nftables
576[04:33:27] <dpkg> nftables is the next generation of
iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6:
replaced-url
577[04:33:41] <Lampion> So I'd rather go for it than
iptables ?
578[04:33:45] <sney> for best professional results, learn both
579[04:33:45] <dvs> but education is usually a bit behind
600[05:02:15] <zothix> Hi i am currently a debain Cinnamon user,
and right now i am installing Debain in my other latop, i have tried
KDE years ago, right now i want to go for KDE for this laptop, but i
wana make sure if its stable now?
601[05:02:33] <zothix> for work use, ( KDE Plasma )
602[05:02:35] <Gryllida> kde is ok
603[05:02:53] <Gryllida> if you don't like it, you will be
able to switch without reinstalling complete OS
604[05:03:17] <zothix> hmm that too, but before i remember it
had a lot of crash problems
605[05:03:20] <zothix> are they better now?
606[05:07:34] <Gryllida> it works ok for my family
607[05:07:48] <Gryllida> we have kde on three laptops, the
fourth one uses wmaker
608[05:08:18] <zothix> Gryllida, i am too install KDE now xD
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614[05:21:32] <oxek> I spotted there's an update for `apt`.
How bad is the vulnerability?
615[05:23:06] <goerff> Hey all, I just installed buster testing
with xfce. I have two monitors connected to my tower that I know are
successfully connected (I'm dual booting and both monitors work
when I boot into windows). But one of my monitors isn't being
detected. xrandr only shows the single monitor. How do I
troubleshoot this?
621[05:27:52] <Lampion> For context: I'm looking at the way
Iptables functions, I'm seeing the stateful packet inspection
which treats a packet in regards to the connection state, I suppose
?
629[05:33:55] <sgo11> hi, I accidentally renamed
/etc/pam.d/common-auth. Now, I can not rename it back to the right
name with "sudo" or "su". Can I solve the
problem without a reboot to live system? Thanks.
630[05:34:33] <sgo11> hmm... maybe live system won't work.
Because I have enabled LUKS encryption. so what to do now?.
631[05:36:19] <Lampion> Ok, so, appearently stateful packet
inspection and connection tracking aren't the same, how do they
differ ?
635[05:42:14] <suavglav> I ran into an undefined symbol error in
libtinfo.so.5 while trying to execute systemctl commands
636[05:42:22] <suavglav> anyone run up against this?
637[05:42:50] <sgo11> I am still in a running system and logged
in right now. I don't dare to reboot. I am afraid I will never
be able to login again...
674[06:08:48] <Lampion> Hey guys, knowing I know next to nothing
about Debian or sysnet administration, do you think in order to get
acquainted to IPtables I should set up a virtual private lan from
vms, openssh and vsftpd, knowing all of those are quite difficult to
me, or do you think I can practice with iptables without those tools
?
683[06:15:20] <somiaj> I would learn nftables, as iptables is
depericated, also I wouldn't use ftp either, and just sftp over
openssh
684[06:18:15] <allan_wind> I could use a hand with nftables,
actually, trying out fail2ban's support and I am getting an
error presumable when it does: nft add set inet filter f2b-sshd \{
type ipv4_addr\; \}
686[06:18:53] <allan_wind> (actually that seems to succeeed) but
followed by nft insert rule inet filter INPUT meta l4proto tcp ip
saddr @f2b-sshd reject which fails with Error: Could not process
rule: No such file or directory
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689[06:19:40] <somiaj> I dno't actually know nftables, you
could try ##networking, I was just pointing out if you are gonna
start learning now, iptables and ftp are things I would not suggest
learning
700[06:28:02] <allan_wind> heh... by dumb luck seem to have
figured it out. nftables's chains seems to be case sensitive
and should be input where iptables where INPUT (don't recall if
it was case sensitive)
701[06:28:38] <somiaj> hmm, I always assumed they were case
sensitive, but never tried to not capatlize them
733[07:04:23] <Lampion> @somiaj vsftpd is a sftp daemon, no
problem about that ;) As for nftables, I plan on getting to it right
when I'm finished with iptables.
740[07:07:27] <somiaj> I still don't see a need for ftps,
when sftp comes with ssh, also sure you can learn iptables, but
nftables will be more useful as time goes on
755[07:13:09] <somiaj> a lot really depends on what you want,
qemu-kvm is nice as it is native in the linux kernel and does a good
job at emulating linux vms
757[07:13:50] <somiaj> xen has its uses, some prefer more
contain based isolating like lxc or docker. vbox is useful, and some
argue is better for windows vms, but isn't part of debian and
needs to be installed thrid party. Also needs a third paty module
(same for xen)
758[07:13:50] <Lampion> I'll be trying to emulate a local
network to practice with iptables
763[07:16:21] <lembron> hu, am i blind or is there no direct way
to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do
i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then
install "with skipping the formating" or something like
this?
772[07:28:57] <password2> if i want to upgrade and my home is
not on a different partition , is it possible to copy it to a new
partition and then reinstall?
773[07:29:25] <somiaj> yes
774[07:29:44] <somiaj> though why reinstall, you can still
upgrade in place (or are you wanting to repartition things?)
775[07:30:05] <password2> i don't want to reconfigure
thigns
776[07:30:36] <somiaj> That seems contrary to reinstalling
777[07:30:55] <password2> is there a reason when i try to run
apt-get upgrade it doe not upgrade 700 packages?
779[07:31:02] <somiaj> but moving the data in /home is
independent of this, though it easiest if you have a backup
disk/location
780[07:31:13] <Lampion> I'm sorry to ask again somiaj but
since I'm trying to build a virtual lan to practice with
iptable, what VM would you recommend ?
781[07:31:25] <somiaj> because that won't install or remove
packages, you need apt-get dist-upgrade
786[07:31:58] <password2> i was told to do upgrade
787[07:32:07] <somiaj> Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably
the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require
any out of kernel modules.
788[07:32:23] <somiaj> password2: man apt-get and see the
difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade (they do similar but
different things)
789[07:32:43] <somiaj> usually upgrade is all you need in a
stable release (though there are a few exceptiosn to this), and
dist-upgrade is to upgrade from one stable to the next stable
790[07:32:49] <password2> somiaj, and i know dist-upgrade is a
gigantic nono on some linuxes
791[07:33:11] <somiaj> in debian it is just a manner of how much
freedome you give apt to resolve dependencies
794[07:33:44] <somiaj> in order to remove old packages and
install new packages (not just upgrade packages) you need
dist-upgrade (though there is a small difference between apt and
apt-get on this front)
795[07:33:47] <Lampion> Sorry somiaj, didn't see your
response, I just quitted weechat by inadvertance.
796[07:34:04] <somiaj> Lampion: libvirt + qemu+kvm is probably
the easiest to get up and working in debian and won't require
any out of kernel modules.
797[07:34:13] <invra> what is apt full-upgrade i dnt get it
798[07:34:33] <Lampion> Thx somiaj !
799[07:34:41] <somiaj> invra: apt is trying to use the langauge
of aptitude there. apt-get had upgrade vs dist-upgrade, and aptitude
had safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade
800[07:35:29] <somiaj> they all had sligtly different logic on
if they could install new pacakages or remove old packges. More
things are moving to aptitudes idea, upgrade can install new stuff
but not remove old stuff, and full/dist upgrade is needed to remove
old packages to satsify dependencies of new packges.
803[07:36:20] <invra> i am a bit confused by the amount of
package managers.. i tend to use apt as its the faster to type...
hopefully i am doing it properly
804[07:37:16] <password2> ah , would it be linux if you did not
have atleast 3 choices that is almost identical but have a dew
subtle differences?
805[07:37:58] <somiaj> apt is mean to be a user tool that
combines apt-get/apt-cache together. The problem with apt-get and
apt-cache was they were used in enough scripts, developers
coudln't change the cli features or output without breaking to
many things. But this also prevented adding new fancy progress
meteres, and nicer looking output
806[07:38:24] <somiaj> so apt was made to be more what a user
would use, and is not designed to have a stable interface, while
apt-get/apt-cache would keep their stable interface so they continue
to work in scripts.
812[07:39:22] <somiaj> aptitude is actually a curses ui package
manager, and originaly introduced a lot of features not in apt
(though apt has adopted lots of them)
813[07:39:30] <password2> looks like my apt-get decided to dl in
2 threads
815[07:39:57] <somiaj> debian actually only has one package
manager, dpkg, it has always been the package manager. apt/aptitude
are front ends that can use internet sources to download and install
packages (using dpkg)
816[07:40:03] <password2> used to always need to grab apt-fast
for that
817[07:40:19] <somiaj> they all use the same apt libary, they
just have diferent interfaces, and logic, for user preferences.
818[07:40:51] <somiaj> and for those old debian users, dselect
is still around
819[07:41:14] <invra> i like synaptic xD
820[07:41:24] <invra> and apt
821[07:41:26] <password2> on thing i like though is i can stop
the dl any time and continue later
822[07:41:39] <somiaj> I'm just glad synaptic learned to
play nicely with apt.
823[07:41:59] <password2> can i do a cronjob so my server
dist-upgrades tonight instead?
831[07:42:40] <somiaj> dist upgrade will require user
interaction and often things will need to be reconfigured, not
something to just automatically do
832[07:43:11] <somiaj> systemd has timer units which have more
flexiability than cronjobs, but cron is still around and you can use
it
840[07:44:33] <password2> somiaj, ok can i cronjob the dl of
packages?
841[07:44:48] <somiaj> password2: you can also do a cronjob to
dist-upgrade, it is just a bad idea.
842[07:45:01] <password2> make up your mind
843[07:45:10] <somiaj> but yes, downloading overnight on a
cronjob then installing when you are present is a more logical
choice
844[07:45:25] <invra> password2: we ar ein linux, you can do
whatever you please
845[07:45:26] <password2> I'm not talking logics here
846[07:45:26] <somiaj> I never said you couldn't do it, I
said you shouldn't do it
847[07:45:32] <password2> I'm talking particality
848[07:45:33] <invra> weather its a good idea or bad is the
thing
849[07:45:48] <somiaj> you can have a cron job run any script
you want.
850[07:49:07] <vlt> Hello. We are running a few machines with
Debian 10 and MATE desktop sessions (xrdp) for our users. Is there a
way to let a user share its screen and grant access to another user?
Bonus feature: an indicator to see whenever someone else is
connected to my screen. Any idea?
851[07:49:42] <password2> somiaj, ofc you can
852[07:49:52] <password2> but i can't run my car on cron ,
now can i?
853[07:50:20] <somiaj> depends, with some of these remote car
starters you could probably do a cronjob for it
854[07:50:31] <invra> xD
855[07:50:52] <somiaj> I heard someone had a script that would
connect to tha coffemaker and brew them coffee, and had it timed, so
the coffee woudl be ready after his walk multiple floors upstairs
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891[08:28:42] <Lampion> I've just installed qemu and kvm
and I'm puzzled, can I have multiple vm at the same time
communicating with each other with it ?
892[08:29:08] <somiaj> yes, though most find virt-manager a nice
tool to manage them vs using kvm qemu directly
902[08:35:25] <Lampion> When I launch the VM it wants to install
the Linux OS, I'll switch to a bootable iso as I don't
want to waste time waiting for it to install, but what if I do
install it ?
903[08:36:04] <Lampion> Will I have another entire new OS inside
QEMU's files, or somewhere, or will it be all deleted as soon
as I shut down the VM ?
922[08:49:50] <somiaj> their docs don't have a method to do
that. Many web server things you can make https by using ngnix or
apache2 and setting up an ssl proxy.
929[08:52:48] <somiaj> they even have an irc channel here on
freenode, #filestash
930[08:54:40] <Fede_HC> somiaj: already tried to contact them,
did't get an answer yet. Anyway, i have to use apache or nginix
to have https? Did i get it?
931[08:56:13] <somiaj> I would just be paitent, and see whaty
they suggest.
932[08:56:53] <Fede_HC> ok ;) thx
933[08:56:54] <somiaj> but nginx and apache2 both support proxy,
so you can use their ssl certs to access http serers on localhost or
a vm
934[08:57:25] <somiaj> so due to this, many applications may not
impement their own
replaced-url
951[09:08:09] <invra> i was trying out a wm... pulled in a bunch
of packages... i now want to remove it as i dont like it
952[09:08:13] <somiaj> invra: apt remove packagename followed by
apt autoremove should get them (there are some cases where a few are
left behind due to suggested/recommended depends)
953[09:08:41] <invra> what if the list is quite big?
954[09:08:42] <somiaj> you can look in the apt log in
/var/log/apt/ to see what packages were installed too
955[09:09:09] <invra> yeah i actually did that, but thew list is
with :amd64 (blabla)
956[09:09:12] <somiaj> apt doesn't have a revert feature,
you have to remove all the packges you manually installed, and
autoinstalled ones will go with it.
970[09:11:54] <somiaj> note there is some edge cases where one
of the auto installed package is suggested by another package you
already have installed, so it sometimes doens't get them all,
but for the most part this is fine.
971[09:12:28] <somiaj> but in general apt install foo, then apt
remove foo && apt autoremove should remove everything that
was installed outside of the above edge cases
972[09:12:32] <invra> didnt like xmonad... cant be bothered with
all that haskell nonsense
996[09:30:08] <Haohmaru> bartden if you've been naughty
with apt, you ain't getting no xmas present from Santa
997[09:30:17] <bartden> :)
998[09:30:19] <bartden> damn
999[09:30:35] <somiaj> !frakendebian
1000[09:30:51] <Haohmaru> !frankendebian
1001[09:30:51] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
1023[09:40:05] <somiaj> I would suggest getting a fresh buster
docker container then.
1024[09:40:27] <Haohmaru> aww, crapbuntu
1025[09:40:37] <petn-randall> bartden: Yeah, that's a case
for #ubuntu.
1026[09:40:39] <invra> lol
1027[09:40:43] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1028[09:40:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1029[09:40:56] <invra> he dont know what he is running?
1030[09:40:59] <invra> xF
1031[09:41:11] <petn-randall> !lol
1032[09:41:12] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or
bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you
look like an AOL user.
1033[09:41:12] <Haohmaru> invra "linux"
1034[09:41:15] <somiaj> hmm, didn't realize ubuntu would
have an /etc/debian_version stuck around, I would think they would
have their own base-files.
1041[09:42:51] <invra> they were too busy with sitting up their
proprietary snap servers
1042[09:43:09] <Haohmaru> adding spywarez
1043[09:43:19] <somiaj> Haohmaru: I tend to not bash other oses,
people have freedom to choose what fits them best. I'm just
surprised on this, because although ubuntu is based on debian, its
core is quite different (it is mostly their univerise and non-core
packages that come straight form debian)
1057[09:46:28] <Haohmaru> my impression of ubuntu people is bad..
when i websearch something about debian, and if the only results
come from askubuntu i feel scared
1078[10:02:58] <lembron> hu, am i blind or is there no direct way
to install from usb while creating a mdraid-mirror for it? - how do
i go about doing this? - first liveboot, create the md and then
install "with skipping the formating" or something like
this?
1097[10:16:21] <ksk> I could imagine you either a) choose the
pre-configured md-whatnot in the installer b) you use the normal
debootstrap approach to installt it yourself to wherever you desire
1098[10:16:25] <ksk> !tell lembron about debootstrap
1099[10:16:36] <ksk> that might need some understanding of how
that is done though.
1100[10:17:33] <ksk> !tell lembron about fixmbr
1101[10:17:44] <ksk> you would kind of need to follow the
debootstrap and fixmbr steps
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1116[10:37:19] <lembron> ksk well ive only seen lvm in the
installer yea.. but that said i also dont have a system with 2 diks
to test here right now :P maybe it then magically shows up or so...
--- and yea i kinda "Know" how i would do it manually -
and totally fit to build the raid myself and all that, was just
wondering mostly that there is no real info on this anywhere as it
seems (or my googlefu is pretty bad at
1136[10:54:34] <somiaj> I used the installer to create a software
raid in stretch, so it is still there.
1137[10:54:37] <ksk> DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot (last
modified 2020-04-07 10:46:24) -- not outdated after all it seems.
1138[10:55:19] <somiaj> though sometimes the installer partition
tools are a bit simplistic (menus of submenus to get all the
options), and if you can create the raid using another live system
easier, you can just point the debian isntaller at it.
1146[11:02:38] <somiaj> I think in particular the raid stuff is a
few submenus deep (at least on the text installer, and I only use
expert mode, so unsure if the non-expert mode includes it)
1147[11:02:55] <somiaj> Also make sure you load additional
features if needed (forget if raid was one of them or not)
1148[11:03:37] <lembron> somiaj > and if you can create the
raid using another live system easier, you can just point the debian
isntaller at it. < - basically my inititally mentioned "do
it in liveCD, then "skip formating" hm?
1149[11:04:30] <somiaj> lembron: should be possible. Though I
recall being able to create a software raid over lvm from the
installer just fine. I didn't try encryption though.
1154[11:07:00] <lembron> well, i might get to a box to try that
out on later today - enc. is not needed so that shall be fine -- and
i guess heck, in a worst case i install to one, build raid with
missing drive, clone over and then resilver or some crap :P --- as
said, i know "other methods" and was just a little buffed
in the installer seemingly not having anything, but ill take a
deeper look on a system with 2 actual
1155[11:07:01] <lembron> drives on this... maybe its just been
hidden for me (usually most debian installs i do is in kvm with
single disk :P)...
1156[11:07:41] <lembron> will report back with results :P thanks
so far
1219[12:05:22] <miskatonic> for a daemon started manually by
root, does it matter whether systemd or openrc are running? I was
able to starte slim as root and shut it down from a console at
runtime
1259[12:20:09] <Lope> I plugged in a hotswap SATA hard drive
while I had a VM booting up, and my whole system froze. I guess I
should let the system idle when I connect hard drives in future.
1260[12:20:35] <ratrace> invra: /sbin is not in $PATH by default
on Debian
1261[12:20:37] <Lope> Anyway, now it's complaining that it
can't find the apparmour profile for qemu-system-x86-64
1262[12:20:47] <invra> ratrace: why?
1263[12:21:08] <miskatonic> sbin programs are for sysadmins, so
users don't usually need to access them
1264[12:21:30] <ratrace> invra: because /sbin is supposed to be
used by root, not unprivileged users. you can always add it to your
PATH if you want.
1265[12:21:34] <invra> well as root i cant access it aswell
1266[12:21:44] <ratrace> invra: you're not logging in as
root correctly then
1267[12:21:45] <towo^work> invra, use su - instead of su
1268[12:21:47] <ratrace> !buster su
1269[12:21:47] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
1276[12:23:15] <miskatonic> ifconfig is for changing network
interface configuration, such as routing defaults
1277[12:23:32] <Lope> ratrace, any idea how to fix an apparmour
that's gone missing cos my PC crashed while a VM was booting?
1278[12:23:45] <Lope> apparmour profile
1279[12:23:58] <miskatonic> users can execute those program for
seeing configuration settings but not modify them
1280[12:24:07] <invra> so confusing...
1281[12:24:12] <invra> i su - and i got that
1282[12:24:22] <uebera||> Hi. Is there an easier way to insert
multiple comments into debian/changelog with dch apart from using a
placeholder which can then be replaced by a newline thanks to
tr/sed?
1283[12:25:05] <ratrace> tarzeau: yes some /sbin programs can be
run as unprivileged users. I never said the /sbin for privileged
users was a wise choice :)
1284[12:25:12] <Lope> I found the profile it's complaining
about. the file is now 0 bytes in size.
1285[12:25:27] <ratrace> (in my case it's messing use of zfs
and zpool which can and should be run unprivileged for informational
purposes)
1286[12:25:32] <Lope> I've got another similar PC, will try
copy it off.
1294[12:26:48] <ratrace> invra: and learn to use manpages. look
up the su(1) manpage to see what - or -l do
1295[12:27:30] <Lope> ratrace, I was busy starting a VM, and
while that was happening I powered on a bunch of SATA drives.
1296[12:27:38] <Lope> Then my PC crashed (usually doesn't
happen)
1297[12:28:05] <ratrace> sounds like you don't have
hot-pluggable drives or controller(s)
1298[12:28:09] <Lope> after rebooting, virt-manager won't
start the VM, complains of a missing apparmour profile. I found the
profile but it's 0 bytes. seems to have gotten corrupted.
Unfortunately I don't have a backup.
1300[12:28:29] <Lope> ratrace, they are hot pluggable, but maybe
it's not good to do it while a VM is starting up.
1301[12:28:46] <Lope> I hot plug them all the time
1302[12:28:54] <Lope> but usually do it while the system is
sortof idle
1303[12:29:04] <ratrace> Lope: drives in use by those VMs?
1304[12:29:23] <Lope> nah, the vm was running from a zvol
that's not related
1305[12:29:32] <ratrace> then it's unrelated or oyu really
don't have hot-pluggable drives or controller(s), and
hot-plugging them so far without apparent ill effects was just lucky
shots
1306[12:29:38] <Lope> ratrace, oh, cool.
1307[12:29:48] <Lope> i just deleted the 0 bytes profile, now the
vm is booting :)
1308[12:29:51] <invra> well my grub is missing stuff
1309[12:30:04] <invra> more precisely
/usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh
1310[12:30:08] <ratrace> Lope: could also be a bug in udev not
catching hotplug events from the controller(s)
1311[12:30:08] <Lope> it's booted \_@_/
1312[12:30:37] <Lope> but this does make me realize I should
backup haha.
1313[12:30:45] <Lope> ratrace, could be.
1314[12:31:14] <ratrace> invra: grub has multiple packages, maybe
you need to install grub-efi
1315[12:34:22] <invra> oh ty
1316[12:34:30] <invra> didnt think it was separate packages
1407[14:24:56] <ratrace> miskatonic: because that's its core
functionality, to interact with the user session manager, because it
logs in the user and configures the session.
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1409[14:25:34] <ratrace> it works with consolekit, but
that's long abandoned even in non-systemd systems (where now
elogind takes place)
1528[15:46:36] <brutser> i try to meson build some package on
debian 10, but i get the following error: meson.build:236:4: ERROR:
C library 'acl' not found - i checked but libc6 and
libc6-dev are installed. what could be missing here?
1638[17:08:37] <oxek> I am trying to copy some files to a NTFS
drive. When the file does not exist on the drive yet, all is good.
When the file exists, and i get asked to overwrite it, it does not
succeed and instead creates a .fuse_hidden000009a0000001 file in the
same directory.
1804[18:28:02] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
1805[18:28:05] <petn-randall> goerff: ^^^
1806[18:28:21] <petn-randall> You enable backports and then
install a newer kernel.
1807[18:28:27] <goerff> petn-randall: I'm on bullseye tho
1808[18:28:33] <petn-randall> Oooooh.
1809[18:28:37] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1810[18:28:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
1811[18:28:48] <petn-randall> goerff: Then let's continue in
the right channel. ^^^
1812[18:28:53] <goerff> lol ok
1813[18:29:10] <goerff> petn-randall: it says it requires an
invite
1814[18:29:11] <petn-randall> Chances are better that someone ran
into the issue before and knows a workaround.
1815[18:29:23] <petn-randall> goerff: Did you read the whole
factoid?
1854[18:54:12] <mspe> preseed doc seems to only talk about ftp
and http also
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1856[18:54:52] <n_1-c_k> With the installer, I have no idea. This
was my own local repository, added after installing.
1857[18:54:56] <Ashmit> I have a Debian 9 OS installed on my VPS.
I am running an Unreal IRCd 5.0.4. I can connect all my ipv4 and ssl
connections. But however, my ipv6.* doesnt work. Is it something to
do with ufw or ip6tables I have installed on my root?
1858[18:55:23] <mspe> yeah no, I'm talking about install
time
1860[18:55:35] <mspe> after install is trivial, yes
1861[18:55:56] <mspe> but since I'm used to use my local
mirror
1862[18:56:10] <mspe> I find it silly to use iso images when I
want to make a new install
1863[18:56:13] <sney> Ashmit: have you confirmed that your ipv6
routes are valid? can you ping6 your vps from another ipv6 host?
1864[18:56:17] <mspe> when I already have up to date mirrors
locally
1865[18:56:26] <mspe> or use remote mirrors
1866[18:56:41] <n_1-c_k> mspe, drop into a shell and edit
sources.list?
1867[18:56:41] <mspe> that use much of my monthly quota
1868[18:57:15] <mspe> oh I thought the installer had a special
behavior
1869[18:57:25] <mspe> you think it uses a regular sources.list
file?
1870[18:57:27] <Ashmit> sney nope i guess
1871[18:57:52] <n_1-c_k> mspe: I don't know, just a guess.
G'luck.
1872[18:57:56] <Ashmit> sney Need to command to enable port and
connections of ip6tables
1873[18:57:59] <sney> Ashmit: your vps provider probably has
instructions for getting ipv6 connected, they will have their own
gateway that you need to use
1874[18:58:15] <Ashmit> I have the gateway and everything else
works
1875[18:58:18] <mspe> n_1-c_k: didn't even think about that,
thank you for the suggestion, gonna try it
1876[18:58:26] <Ashmit> someone the ipv6.servername.net isnt
getting connected to irc
1879[18:59:56] <sney> Ashmit: if you can't ping6 the server
from another ipv6 host then that is the problem, you don't have
routing. irc will only work once you have routes to the internet
1890[19:01:44] <sney> anyway, it's unlikely to be a firewall
issue unless your vps provider set up ufw. debian does not ship with
a firewall configured by default.
1891[19:01:57] <Ashmit> I set up the ufw myself
1892[19:02:06] <Ashmit> but I did sudo ufw disable
1893[19:02:12] <Ashmit> and then also its not getting connected.
1894[19:02:30] <Ashmit> should I just uninstall the ufw?
1895[19:03:58] <Ashmit> Okay removed ufw, however it shows host
unreacable.
1950[19:33:14] <cybercrypto> sney: great. I have been facing
system freezes due to nouveau crashes. Debian 10 is not of use if I
set to wayland.... in the other hand... when I start X, it
starts.... but fails and freezes a lot...
1953[19:34:19] <cybercrypto> sney: I will read it, collect input
data and try to contact then and check if it is valid to report this
issue back to them.
1956[19:36:18] <sney> cybercrypto: some nvidia gpus need firmware
from userspace when using the nouveau driver. do you have
firmware-misc-nonfree installed?
1960[19:38:27] <cybercrypto> sney: This GPU is old enough for a
big laugth. Believe me... I it is from the 90's. I will check
your advise anyway cause I am not sure.
1966[19:42:16] <cybercrypto> sney: Not installed. I will install
and give it a try with wayland (i know for sure that wayland is not
even starting currently)... so let me check,
1972[19:45:16] <ws2k3> i cant seem to remove this package dpkg:
error processing package clamav-unofficial-sigs (--purge):
subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
how should i remove this?
1973[19:45:35] <ws2k3> even dpkg --remove
--force-remove-reinstreq clamav-unofficial-sigs does not get the job
done
1974[19:46:04] <somiaj> ws2k3: the post removal script is in
/var/lib/dpkg/info/pagkagname.postrm
1975[19:46:32] <somiaj> oh sorry, preremoval, so *.prerm, anyways
you can edit the script to fix it so it dosen't error out
1977[19:46:53] <somiaj> the line above the one you pasted should
give you more information why it errored out, putting a 'set
-x' at the top will give you far more info too
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1985[19:49:46] <somiaj> hmm, that shouldn't have fixed the
error, but it should have told you what the error was. Anyways,
seems like the script ran properly now
1986[19:50:20] <ws2k3> somiaj jup. and i just wanted it gone. and
that worked so thx!
1997[19:54:55] <dacencora> hey guys. I have a laptop that allows
for selecting the discrete GPU as the only video card, I have done
this because I typically have issues with bumblebee, but I cannot
remember how to make the backlight work. I have Gentoo installed on
a separate hard drive and screen brightness there works like a
charm.
2115[21:21:39] <Ooze> Why does my swp partition keep filling up
and how do I fix it?
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2117[21:21:58] <kristijonas> Just freshed intalled Buster on my
Lenovo laptop (nonfree image with firmware included since I needed
iwlwifi during the setup). Now gave it a try to install Bumblebee:
replaced-url
2127[21:24:48] <BalooRJ> Hello, I'm trying to install
blueman for Debian Buster, getting this error: blueman : Depends:
libpython3.5 (>= 3.5.0~b1) but it is not installable Depends:
python3 (< 3.6) but 3.7.3-1 is to be installed
2133[21:31:33] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
replaced-url
2163[21:38:45] <somiaj> BalooRJ: anyways the issue is you are
trying to install a package from some third party repo for
deb9-xfce, which isn't compadable with debian 10, and thus the
package cannot be installed.
2164[21:38:59] <somiaj> In general you need to be careful when
mixing repos, you shoudln't mix repos for debian 9 with debian
10.
2165[21:39:03] <somiaj> !frankendebian
2166[21:39:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
2167[21:39:25] <somiaj> In this case, trying to install a package
that is designed for debian 9 (stretch) in debian 10 (buster) is
causing the issues.
2168[21:40:02] <BalooRJ> Gotcha, I think I know what is causing
this. I added a repo to install gcdemu. I'll remove it now and
see if that does the trick. Thank you!
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2170[21:40:59] <BalooRJ> That did the trick! Thank you
2172[21:42:19] <EvanCarroll> How do you connect to the wifi with
the installed debian distro from the non-free installer wo/ Desktop
GUI? I would have assumed it would install NetworkManager but it
didn't, it didn't install wpa_supplicant either
2173[21:42:22] <somiaj> in the future don't install random
repos like that, you could have other issues on your system due to
installing imcompadable packages in the future.
2176[21:43:01] <EvanCarroll> I chose not to install a desktop at
all, because I wanted t install Sway and it wasn't on that
list.
2177[21:43:38] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: debian uses its own tools,
/etc/network/interfaces, by default. If you used wifi during the
install process, the installer will put the wifi info in that file,
if your wifi card is listed in that file network manager will ignore
it. You can delete the lines of the wifi in that file and network
manager will see the card again.
2178[21:44:03] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: you can use any tool you
want to manage your network, you don't have to use
debian's interfaces file, but in general you should use a
single tool/method.
2179[21:44:42] <EvanCarroll> network manager isn't
installed, and there is nothing in etc/network/interfaces not
interfaces.d/*. I'm using Bullseye Alpha 2
2180[21:44:55] <EvanCarroll> somiaj: I just want to know what
tool it installed. ;)
2181[21:45:05] <EvanCarroll> If you don't install a desktop,
does it not install *any* tool?
2182[21:45:36] <somiaj> kristijonas: I have no idea how to use
bumblebee and optimus, I avoid that hardware. Anyways, looks like
you might benifit from the package firmware-misc-nonfree if you want
to continue to use nouveau. Using nouveau vs the non-free nvidia
blob is your choice.
2183[21:45:53] <somiaj> EvanCarroll: ahh nice, sorry just use to
explaining the details a bit more.
2184[21:46:23] <EvanCarroll> eI used the non-free with the
graphical installer and skipped desktop installation, it completed
and it told me to reboot.
2185[21:46:34] <EvanCarroll> Now I have no tools wpa-supplicant
or NetworkManager
2186[21:47:02] <somiaj> wpasupplicant should be installed, and if
you configured your network with the installer, it hsould be in the
interfaces file.
2187[21:47:19] *** Quits: dacencora (~logan@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2188[21:47:19] <EvanCarroll> then this is a bug/regression
2189[21:47:26] <EvanCarroll> because I did, and it's not.
2191[21:49:13] <somiaj> hmm, maybe it only installs wpasupplicant
if you used wirless during the install. I know the netinstaller
includes that package.
2192[21:49:30] <EvanCarroll> actually it did install supplicant.
2193[21:49:46] *** Quits: kristijonas (~kristijon@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2194[21:49:55] <EvanCarroll> so I was wrong on that.
2195[21:49:58] <somiaj> oh good, I thought it should, but maybe
it only does it if wifi is detected.
2196[21:49:59] <EvanCarroll> Ok well, I can make that work
2197[21:50:09] <EvanCarroll> that still kinda sucks, would have
liked to have network manager
2198[21:50:18] <EvanCarroll> now I gotta remember the pre-NM days
before nmtui
2199[21:50:19] <somiaj> you can confgure this all from the
interfaces file. Though personally I use wpa-supplicant in roam mode
2200[21:50:32] <somiaj> the interfaces file makes configuring the
network really easy
2202[21:52:13] <somiaj> I would leave off the auto line, I would
then say 'ifup wlp2s0', then isntall network manager and
use that if that is what you prefer (delete the lines from the
interfaces file once nm is installed)
2231[22:23:21] <oxek> which package contains the firmware for
nouveau?
2232[22:23:53] <sney> !nouveau firmware
2233[22:23:53] <dpkg> Binary-only firmware for the nouveau
<DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-misc-nonfree.
Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or
missing video features in the <nouveau> xorg driver is
commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free
sources>.
2251[22:29:08] <cybercrypto> sney: wayland still not working
(graphical.target gets crashed) with stripes... using X, it is
'a little bit' more stable so far... only 1 crash so far
2257[22:32:07] <cybercrypto> sney: Igree, but it is not the case.
Dual boot with no crash ever on the other system. I did that test. I
am very, very curious.
2261[22:33:18] <sney> windows and linux drivers are different
animals. you can have a partially-broken device that works perfectly
in one OS but not the other. so if you're dual booting with
windows that doesn't necessarily mean the gpu is fine
2361[23:35:59] <Azrael_-> i have here some old machines and soon
want to update, but when i run apt i get this message and
haven't found a way yet to update the key: W: GPG error:
replaced-url
2362[23:36:47] <sney> there's an apt option for skipping
signature checks