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• 20[00:08:38] <brenlae> hi, i have debian 9, i recently updated my system and it says i have debian 9.5, but the current version on the website (debian.org) says it is 9.4
• 21[00:08:46] <brenlae> is there something i am missing?
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• 23[00:09:08] <brenlae> cat /etc/debian_version shows 9.4
• 24[00:09:10] <brenlae> er 9.5
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• 27[00:09:44] <brenlae> i haven't touched the file that shows the version
• 28[00:10:26] <brenlae> hmm it seems it's the website that is out of date
• 29[00:10:29] <brenlae> :/
• 30[00:10:48] <brenlae> well bye
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• 52[00:21:45] <tonymke> The update just came out like four hours ago
• 53[00:21:50] <tonymke> lol
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• 69[00:44:23] <zerocool> mine says 9.6 but i edited /etc/debian_version
• 70[00:45:26] <zerocool> when i systemctl reload debian_version and systemctl restart debian_version it says that it's not a service so im not really sure how to upgrade
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• 72[00:48:34] <rant> you might need help from a qualified professional to adjust your meds
• 73[00:48:50] <rant> cause absolutely notthing you said made any kind of sense
• 74[00:49:25] <rant> when I peel an orange, the rain doesn't come... I could go on.. but I hink you get tthe idea
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• 82[00:53:19] <zerocool> if i peeled an orange the rain would come but i live in portland it's always coming
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• 89[01:01:31] <rant> well as long as you dont see the events as related
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• 98[01:07:36] <rant> zerocool: /etc/debian_version is provided by base-files package
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• 100[01:07:55] <rant> its very simply unpacked from that package when upgraded
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• 151[01:36:36] <random_auroras> What's this about /usr/bin/systemd-mount and clamscan's results on it?
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• 154[01:37:32] <rant> what's this about potato farmers and talk in #debian about things with no apparent correlation to one another today?
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• 157[01:38:43] <random_auroras> rant: very witty. *clap*
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• 159[01:39:06] <random_auroras> Now, clamscan on debian, installed purely through the approved repositories detects /usr/bin/systemd-mount as Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0
• 160[01:39:31] <random_auroras> Do you see the correlation now?
• 161[01:39:41] <rant> well idk if you were here but just before you someone was talking about a non-existant sysd unit and /etc/debian_version so either I'm loosing it or everyong is being vague
• 162[01:40:03] <random_auroras> replaced-url
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• 164[01:40:06] <random_auroras> It's related to this thread.
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• 167[01:41:49] <rant> well all I can tell you is that I don't use clamav, I highly doubt that debian ships a systemd-mount with a trojan, and other than that possible avenues include how to verify your systemd-mount is the debian one, or the simple fact that you already know about l.d.o and such.. which means you're already on top of more appropriate places to direct this sort of inquiry
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• 169[01:43:03] <rant> this is a general support channel for stable.. something as obscure as this is better suited as a farther reaching more long-term discussion on something like l.d.o what we could help with here is stuff like if clamav wasn't working or how to verify files with debsums or such
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• 173[01:44:23] <rant> if you really thought there was a trojan in a debian file and felt real-time chat were your best option, a more developer centric rather than user centric channel would make more sense
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• 177[01:47:02] <random_auroras> Sometimes real-time chat updates faster, so I figured I had a chance of more recent news there.
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• 181[01:50:14] <rant> yes sometimes.. mailing lists usually generate responses in well under 6hrs and again, if you really wanted to chat it may serve you better to go to OFTC and use a developer channel . this is a legacy supporc channel for stable.. users helping users
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• 183[01:50:52] <rant> but really even drawing the correlation now, you haven't really specified what it is you want
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• 185[01:51:09] <rant> so all I can do is paint broad strokes
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• 189[01:52:53] <rant> I for one don't trust any virus scanner and never have.. the commercial ones invent crap to make em seem relevant, and even the more honest and open ones are only guessing based on heuristic scans and are overly paranoid
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• 192[01:53:40] <rant> I see threats in terms of opportunity and the effects they have.. if nothing is using any resources it shouldnt be and there is no opportunity for it to do so, I consider that secure..
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• 194[01:54:06] <random_auroras> I wanted to know if it were known to be a false positive or not. In the mean time rkhunter and debsums don't report anything unusual regarding those files.
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• 196[01:55:12] <rant> you were already looking in the right places, l.d.o and the bts for any known false-positive. if you really want, I have a couple systems running stretch here I could see if I could reproduce the result
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• 203[01:59:55] <ryouma> trying to figure out if i need intel-microcode package. when is it necessary? and is it generally considered a risk because we don't know its contents?
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• 205[02:00:05] <ryouma> in the recent security update for spectre variant 2, CVE-2017-5715, the dla 1422-1 says "This mitigation requires an update to the processor's microcode" but then it says "This vulnerability was already mitigated for the x86 architecture by the "retpoline" feature." does the latter mean that intel-microcode is not necessary? or does it mean that it is still necessary, just already mitigated if you install the micr
• 206[02:00:05] <ryouma> ocode.
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• 208[02:00:31] <random_auroras> rant: That won't be necessary. It seems to be.
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• 216[02:03:26] <rant> yes, the result is the same here
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• 219[02:09:27] <rant> random_auroras: there is also evidence that more than 60 other virus scanners say the file is clean
• 220[02:09:35] <rant> pointing to a false positive
• 221[02:09:55] <rant> my first thought reproducing it was would a more recent clam engine still produce this
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• 223[02:10:37] <rant> because not onnly is our clamav engine old, butt freshclam complains saying you should have at least a certain version
• 224[02:11:27] <rant> if I were actually concerned, I'd try scanning from a recent clamav engine, possibly even from a live or non-debian system
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• 228[02:12:14] <rant> and then if I were still concerned and the new clam engine didnt flag this, I'd seek options to get a newer clam engine in debian stable
• 229[02:12:25] <rant> ,v clamav
• 230[02:12:26] <judd> Package: clamav on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-6+deb9u1; wheezy-security: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb7u1; stretch: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb9u1; jessie: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb9u1; buster: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2
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• 232[02:12:55] <rant> it appears there is a proposed update
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• 294[02:54:05] <random_auroras> I see.
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• 345[03:32:58] <ChmEarl> zerocool, I tried that build (libvirt-4.3.0-1 in Stretch): replaced-url
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• 352[03:39:19] <jvava> hi, can I remove ibus package, I prefer to fcitx package, for chinese and english only.
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• 357[03:46:36] <jvava> I prefer fcitx
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• 359[03:47:14] <jvava> and remove other ime I don't need
• 360[03:47:34] <jvava> please help
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• 377[04:00:09] <rant> jvava: help with what exactly? those two packages are not related, just remove ibus
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• 385[04:06:27] <jvava> rant, ok, thank you
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• 390[04:09:10] <siery> Hey guys! I have a problem with umounting my `/home` logical volume. I put `/` and `/home` on separete LVs and it appears thet the `/` LV is out of space. I then backup my `/home` LV and try to use the `lvchange -a n /dev/trixxxy-vg/home` command to then remove it and resize `/`.
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• 395[04:10:01] <siery> The problem is that I am getting sommethig like this eatch time:
• 396[04:10:04] <siery> Deactivating logical volume trixxxy-vg/home.
• 397[04:10:06] <siery> Device dm-2 (254:2) appears to be mounted on /home.
• 398[04:10:08] <siery> Logical volume trixxxy-vg/home contains a filesystem in use.
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• 402[04:10:29] <rant> so unmount the volume first
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• 405[04:11:06] <siery> when I kill all the processes in `/home` and `lsof | grep /home` returns nothing
• 406[04:11:51] <rant> yes but are you unmounting it... seeems to me that you are just tying to deactivate the lvm it livves inside
• 407[04:12:16] <rant> which is why its upset.. that you're not unmounting the volumes first
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• 409[04:12:50] <siery> @rant: shold I use the `umount` command on an lv? I thought deactivating is the samme as unmounting.. C:
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• 411[04:12:59] <rant> no
• 412[04:13:14] <rant> you need to quit mixing the idea of a FS with an LV
• 413[04:13:23] <rant> you don't unmount the lv, you unmount the fs
• 414[04:13:35] <rant> i.e. umount /home or umount /dev/mapper/dm-2
• 415[04:13:43] <siery> right.. that what I thought
• 416[04:14:12] <siery> but my '/' and '/home' are on the samme phisical disc.. how shall I unmount it?
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• 418[04:14:30] <rant> based on what you are trying to do you should be doing this from somewhere else
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• 421[04:14:55] <rant> you're just creating problems trying to work on the fs your running from
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• 423[04:15:09] <rant> boot from something else
• 424[04:15:11] <siery> right..thank you
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• 428[04:16:08] <siery> Do you think anyways that this is a good idea, or you may think some better solution to my problem?
• 429[04:16:09] <rant> online resizes are possible but its complex, and complexity adds time and inroduces risk
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• 433[04:16:37] <rant> you problem is tha you ran out of space on your rootfs?
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• 435[04:17:26] <siery> root lv, bot /home and root are on the same fs
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• 437[04:18:17] <foul_owl> How do I display emojis in debian?
• 438[04:18:20] <rant> so its the /home that has eaten up the space then I guess.. do you have other physical volumes or space somewhere?
• 439[04:18:34] <foul_owl> Currently showing up as blank in my terminal emulator. Term emu is terminator
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• 441[04:18:50] <rant> if you dont have other free spac somewhere the only solution is to live with it or delete stuff :P
• 442[04:18:59] <siery> @foul_owl: ctrl + shift + e
• 443[04:19:21] <siery> 🐕
• 444[04:21:44] <siery> @rant: both LV are on 1 tb disc, all that is used is only about 200 gb. The problem is that I reserved to little space for root, just about 25 gb
• 445[04:22:09] <rant> 25gb is more than enough
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• 447[04:22:45] <rant> if you used 25gb you gotta figure out where and why and offload other dirs that are using space
• 448[04:23:15] <siery> not really, I am doing mostly graphical design, and there are a lot of drawing tablet and graphical software stuff
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• 451[04:23:36] <rant> then it would be /usr/ most likely that is too large
• 452[04:23:47] <rant> so you just offload /usr/ somewhere else
• 453[04:24:08] <phenom> Curious, all debian netinstall links are down: replaced-url
• 454[04:24:34] <rant> siery: or just create a new /home and move all that and reclaim space from /home for /
• 455[04:24:46] <phenom> replaced-url
• 456[04:25:34] <rant> phenom: there was a point release I believe today which would mean 9.4 is no longer "current" as that url suggests
• 457[04:25:46] <phenom> Ah.
• 458[04:25:57] <rant> phenom: which would mean the links are not down, they changed and someone didnt update em
• 459[04:26:13] <phenom> Right on right on
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• 463[04:27:11] <rant> I only heard someone talking about it in here earlier I have not confirmed this but if there is a 9.5 out, that'd certainly explain it
• 464[04:28:44] <rant> siery: bottom line is if you arent very savvy in this you probably should've just used flat partitioning and i not too inconvenient, do it now while you dont have a ull 1tb of data
• 465[04:28:48] <phenom> Well, dag on
• 466[04:29:12] <rant> LVM will allow you to change things and correct bad foresight when afterthoughts arise.. but only if you know how to use it
• 467[04:29:54] <rant> I personally rather deal with doing crap the old fashioned way then add all those extra layers to complicated things
• 468[04:29:59] <phenom> I needs me some debian net install.
• 469[04:30:11] <rant> phenom: you need a link?
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• 471[04:30:25] <phenom> hah, well. If possible.
• 472[04:30:25] <siery> rant: But what when I use then package manager, all stuff is going to be installed to the /usr. Can I do it convenient to install things to my /home automatically?
• 473[04:30:26] <AndChat|520884> i like nigger pussy
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• 475[04:30:36] <phenom> I like turtles.
• 476[04:30:39] <AndChat|520884> and vaginal sex
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• 478[04:30:52] <AndChat|520884> phenom: do you fuck turtles?
• 479[04:30:58] <AndChat|520884> that sounds cool bro
• 480[04:31:19] <rant> phenom: replaced-url
• 481[04:31:22] <phenom> I never had relations with that turtle!
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• 483[04:31:32] <phenom> rant, very kind, thank you.
• 484[04:31:38] <rant> phenom: when in doubt I always turn to kernel.org, theyir servers are fast
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• 487[04:32:02] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> LOL DONGS
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• 489[04:32:12] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> WHAT THE SHELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU phenom
• 490[04:32:30] <rant> !ops
• 491[04:32:30] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 493[04:32:36] <rant> !ops obvious
• 494[04:32:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: rant complains about a problem (see above)
• 495[04:32:47] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> !ops lets fuck turtles
• 496[04:32:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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• 498[04:33:00] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> !ops someone should rate limit the !ops command
• 499[04:33:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
• 500[04:33:08] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> !ops or not, its a lot of fun this way
• 501[04:33:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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• 503[04:33:13] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> !ops penis
• 504[04:33:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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• 507[04:33:57] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> !ops people are discriminating against me because of my sexual orientation
• 508[04:33:57] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: turtle_fuucker complains about a problem (see above)
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• 512[04:35:25] <phenom> rant, If there was a point release, I may as well wait until tomorrow.
• 513[04:35:31] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> mniip, dictator of #freenode made me leave there
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• 515[04:35:42] <phenom> I s'pose.
• 516[04:35:51] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> so now i come here peacfully to fuck my turtles
• 517[04:36:18] <Unit193> TURTLE_FUUCKER: Please don't do that here. Thanks.
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• 519[04:36:37] <TURTLE_FUUCKER> Unit193: okay sure. i will go elsewhere
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• 535[04:44:58] <jvava> hi, I don't know where I can set XMODIFIER variable, I put it in ~/.xprofile and /etc/profile.d/afile, but still its values is ibus but not fcitx what I expect.
• 536[04:45:15] <jvava> it is debian 9 stretch.
• 537[04:45:55] <jvava> export XMODIFIERS=@im=fcitx` does not work.
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• 539[04:47:42] <jvava> if I fall back to ibus, can I use chinese input method, a ibus-pin exist, but ibus-google-pinyin not, so I prefer fcitx, please help.
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• 545[04:50:58] <rant> jvava: did you try restarting the display manager or rebooing after changing that/
• 546[04:51:32] <rant> you can't just add exports and expect them to be added to the environment immediately
• 547[04:51:49] <rant> when doing it in a config ile that is
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• 552[04:55:11] <jvava> rant, I did reboot my computer
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• 573[05:15:41] <ChmEarl> ^^ causes the libvirt-4.3.0 build to stop during dh_install
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• 578[05:20:42] <granttrec> does anyone know how apt knows who has requested a package install etc?
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• 682[07:00:25] <rant> granttrec: what? only root can install anything
• 683[07:00:56] <rant> granttrec: thus you can tell by auth.log who accessed root and cross ref with apt's history logs
• 684[07:01:00] <granttrec> rant: dont worry about it I was looking for $SUDO_USER
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• 687[07:01:21] <granttrec> thanks tho
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• 767[08:57:33] <cluelessperson> does anyone know how to trigger an inotify event?
• 768[08:57:41] <cluelessperson> not watch for events, set one off
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• 773[09:03:21] <rant> cluelessperson: replaced-url
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• 775[09:03:50] <rant> might be of use, first hit on google, seems to be a script to trigger an event
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• 777[09:04:28] <rant> uses inotifywait
• 778[09:05:10] <lessthan0> replaced-url
• 779[09:05:36] <lessthan0> part of inotify-tools
• 780[09:05:51] <lessthan0> I never used this every but I googled it
• 781[09:06:34] <lessthan0> it looks like you can do it all in cli but that is just a guess
• 782[09:06:56] <lessthan0> you will probably want to script something at some point even if it is only 3 lines
• 783[09:07:13] <cluelessperson> rant: I want to *directly* trigger the event
• 784[09:07:21] <cluelessperson> not use another tool to watch for an event
• 785[09:07:29] <cluelessperson> inotify doesn't work over NFS
• 786[09:07:34] <lessthan0> it is a kernel module
• 787[09:07:36] <rant> there is also python-inotiy
• 788[09:07:57] <cluelessperson> those all use the kernel module to setup watches
• 789[09:08:02] <cluelessperson> they do not trigger the kernel event
• 790[09:08:30] <lessthan0> inotify.h is part of libc
• 791[09:09:03] <rant> cluelessperson: perhaps use apropos inotify, and read those manpages
• 792[09:10:27] <lessthan0> replaced-url
• 793[09:10:42] <cluelessperson> fds[0].events = POLLIN;
• 794[09:11:14] <cluelessperson> unfortunately I'm not sure how to read this and trigger things myself. -_-;
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• 797[09:14:23] <rant> python-inotify has an event_gen() method for instances
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• 799[09:15:59] <lessthan0> I read this whole thing replaced-url
• 800[09:16:07] <lessthan0> it is not some timer and loop
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• 802[09:16:16] <lessthan0> it is the actual hook
• 803[09:16:21] <lessthan0> it is exactly what you want
• 804[09:16:42] <lessthan0> just need to learn some c or alternatively need to learn bash or need to learn python
• 805[09:17:07] <lessthan0> you don't need to learn them all but you must learn at least one of them and read the docs on that method
• 806[09:17:24] <rant> python doesn't really need to be learned.. I been making stuff up as I go along for over a decade
• 807[09:17:28] <rant> heh
• 808[09:17:49] <lessthan0> I think he is pretty lost
• 809[09:18:01] <lessthan0> and not in the right mind set to help himself
• 810[09:18:18] <rant> lessthan0: what tipped you off :P
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• 812[09:18:53] <rant> lessthan0: /nick captobvious
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• 814[09:20:02] <lessthan0> somewhere between the typical condescending of the experts and the helpless shy self defeating losers is me trying to sound less condescending or sarcastic and also trying to motivate the noob
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• 816[09:20:36] <lessthan0> to bridge the gap
• 817[09:20:42] <lessthan0> grow the community
• 818[09:21:15] <rant> yeah well I'm no expert and I know what you mean.. I got a cups issue I had to walk away from cause it just pissed me off to the point I was only good for beating the printter to bits :P
• 819[09:22:20] <rant> problem is many of us with a lot of experience that are fairly capable of figuring things out, once we hit that wall.. we're already so zoomed in on something so far down the wrong branch of the wrong diagnostic tree, we can't really be helped :P
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• 821[09:23:11] <rant> cause we're mad, exhausted, and feel like we've done it all already
• 822[09:23:30] <lessthan0> today I almost changed my whole life from a cloud deployment architect student to a usb dev
• 823[09:23:55] <rant> and usually the problem lies somewhere back by square one, where you were trying to do the wrong thing to begin with .. and at that point in the game you don't wanna hear that
• 824[09:23:56] <lessthan0> and then I was like uhhhhhh shit this is the biggest time suck waste of time lost cause
• 825[09:24:36] <lessthan0> talk about zooming in on a problem that could be it right there
• 826[09:25:45] <lessthan0> <rant> cause we're mad, exhausted, and feel like we've done it all already
• 827[09:25:54] <lessthan0> I feel this way sometimes
• 828[09:26:05] <lessthan0> but then I always get reminded that there is more to learn
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• 830[09:26:45] <rant> yeah well the crappy feeling to me is when I come here to ask something and get nohing but crickets.. but with 15 years or so experience with debian and this channel I know as I just stated that the problem in those situations is PEBCAK :P
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• 833[09:27:36] <lessthan0> Layer 8
• 834[09:27:57] <lessthan0> undocumented part of the OSI model
• 835[09:28:29] <lessthan0> I told someone once in helpdesk after you installed the drivers did you check the operator?
• 836[09:28:48] <lessthan0> they replied "how do I check that?"
• 837[09:29:24] <rant> heh.. yeah well thing is when do you ask for help? cause too early and you don know what to ask cause you haven't hit a real problem yet you need to ask, and too late and you're so far down the rabbit hole nobody knows where you're at or how you got there
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• 839[09:29:51] <lessthan0> yeah true
• 840[09:30:19] <lessthan0> conversations have limited bandwidth in reality
• 841[09:30:27] <lessthan0> because we are not computers
• 842[09:30:31] <lessthan0> we are legacy apes
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• 844[09:31:40] <lessthan0> we only function barely through many layers of inaccurate abstractions that map differently to clearly defined things
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• 846[09:32:35] <rant> clearly defined only within our own namespace :P
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• 848[09:32:55] <lessthan0> well this is getting into theoretical ideas
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• 850[09:33:49] <lessthan0> saying that the language is inaccurate compared to things that would theoretically be so accurately defined that they could not be understood differently by anyone
• 851[09:33:54] <rant> I feel we're fast approaching a point where if we dont address such things we're going to self destruct
• 852[09:34:48] <rant> Debian grows with each release and spinoffs keep coming.. yet things are being overlooked
• 853[09:34:57] <lessthan0> like all the possible data in an event horizon being concretely one thing at one point in time or space but not both at best
• 854[09:35:33] <lessthan0> and the way we talk about getting a sandwich is very lose
• 855[09:35:42] <lessthan0> sometimes lost in translation
• 856[09:36:29] <rant> I fear in the not too distant future we may just be the univeral group of tired old people the kids who have built on our ideas, no longer even heard of
• 857[09:36:42] <lessthan0> how much did the sandwich weigh. what was the composition etc.. not defined
• 858[09:37:34] <rant> you may be interested in ##philosophy-uncensored and/or #debian-offtopic
• 859[09:37:38] <lessthan0> that is the difference between code and asking about code
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• 861[09:38:10] <lessthan0> I see I have exceeded the bandwidth of this conversation as predicted
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• 864[09:39:14] <rant> heh its crickets in here. but I do understand from many years, the way many supporters feel about the activity on this channel drawing their valuable attention for non-support issues
• 865[09:39:51] <rant> and I was asked to moderate that whiners spinoff of ##philosophy that has a more broad range of topic
• 866[09:40:12] <rant> figured it was worth mentioning
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• 870[09:42:27] <rant> I do think our support community needs some work to grow with the times though and I think that sort of thing requires some more lengthy philosophical discussion
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• 872[09:43:11] <rant> I've drafted a project to address this, but I dont have the time or skills to pull it off without significant help
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• 894[09:54:37] <disaster> hi! i'm kind new with system administration and i have thoses messages from clamav : /usr/bin/messages.mailutils: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND /usr/bin/systemd-mount: Unix.Trojan.Vali-6606621-0 FOUND
• 895[09:54:45] <disaster> that seems to be false positive but i don't know how to check that
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• 900[09:57:16] <rant> yes we explored this earlier today.. some 60 other virus scanners seem to think the file is fine
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• 902[09:57:34] <rant> I suggested scanning it with a newer clamav engine to see if it still occurs
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• 915[10:07:34] <disaster> i checked with debsums -c and nothing come is that enough?
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• 920[10:08:57] <rant> depends on if you trust the maintainers/developers
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• 922[10:09:31] <disaster> rant: i only use debian official packages
• 923[10:09:59] <disaster> rant: on stable branch
• 924[10:10:09] <rant> personally I dont trust virus scanners and exploring the systemd-mount one earlier led to a l.d.o thread which showed over 60 other virus scanners detected nothing on the same file
• 925[10:10:37] <disaster> rant: what ldo mean?
• 926[10:10:50] <rant> lists.debian.org our mailing lists
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• 928[10:12:29] <disaster> rant: ok i read some mail too and it seems to be the same on arch and centos
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• 932[10:15:18] <rant> yes and as I said more than 60 other virus scanners disagree
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• 934[10:15:56] <disaster> rant: thank you for the help
• 935[10:15:59] <rant> so either the entire systemd using FOSS world is compromised by a trojan, or using modern virus definitions without outdated clamav engine causes problems
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• 937[10:16:53] <rant> I suspect though I have not verified that an updated clamav engine may not show this
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• 941[10:17:51] <disaster> rant: maybe but i don't want to use private repository on my server so i won't try that live
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• 944[10:19:25] <rant> idk what you mean
• 945[10:19:48] <rant> when you run freshclam it complains about stretch's clamav engine version
• 946[10:20:00] <rant> the newer version is in stretch-proposed-updates
• 947[10:20:18] <rant> ,v clamav
• 948[10:20:20] <judd> Package: clamav on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.99+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch-updates: 0.99.2+dfsg-6+deb9u1; wheezy-security: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb7u1; stretch: 0.99.4+dfsg-1+deb9u1; jessie: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.100.0+dfsg-0+deb9u1; buster: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 0.100.0+dfsg-1+b2
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• 951[10:21:45] <rant> WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! WARNING: Local version: 0.99.4 Recommended version: 0.100.1
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• 953[10:22:19] <rant> if the deinition updates is complaining, chances are the devs know this could result in issues
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• 955[10:22:57] <disaster> i'll check that
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• 983[10:43:24] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. I've apt-get upgraded my system. Can any one help me figure out why I have 49 packages that are not upgraded? All of them are nvidia packages and some are vlc. I got deb-multimedia and stretch-backports on my sources.list
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• 987[10:48:20] <rant> deb-multimedia is a very bad idea and your system probably has some package breakage as a result
• 988[10:48:36] <rant> !dmm
• 989[10:48:36] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
• 990[10:49:05] <Rust3dCor3> so it is better idea just to leave it?
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• 992[10:49:12] <rant> however things like apt-policy might help shed some light
• 993[10:49:20] <Rust3dCor3> i mean. to remove it
• 994[10:49:24] <rant> I'd ollow the dmm remove instructions and not touch that anymore
• 995[10:49:41] <rant> it used to be required for a lot of things.. but not so much anymore
• 996[10:49:42] <Rust3dCor3> ok
• 997[10:50:01] <Rust3dCor3> !dmm stretch
• 998[10:50:01] <dpkg> If you really need deb-multimedia.org (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb replaced-url
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• 1000[10:50:23] <Rust3dCor3> !dmm remove
• 1001[10:50:23] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
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• 1006[10:51:57] <babilen> Rust3dCor3: It might also help if you were to paste the package manager output you were referring to earlier to replaced-url
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• 1013[10:55:30] <Rust3dCor3> replaced-url
• 1014[10:56:06] <Rust3dCor3> !dmm why not dmm
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• 1016[10:56:23] <Rust3dCor3> !why not dmm
• 1017[10:56:23] <dpkg> The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
• 1018[10:57:07] <annadane> you can also /msg the bot; avoids channel spam
• 1019[10:57:12] <Rust3dCor3> ok
• 1020[10:57:15] <babilen> Rust3dCor3: Could you paste the output of "apt -s full-upgrade" ?
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• 1022[10:57:25] <babilen> brb
• 1023[10:58:05] <Rust3dCor3> replaced-url
• 1024[10:58:44] <babilen> That doesn't look too bad .. I'd still get rid of dmm though
• 1025[10:59:48] <Rust3dCor3> im going for it
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• 1027[11:00:00] <Rust3dCor3> i really had no idea why i had for such a long time
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• 1029[11:00:19] <Rust3dCor3> probably because i needed avidemux some time ago and i was not that well informed
• 1030[11:01:10] <michael2> how is it that debian stretch doesn't need non-free packages to play h264 encoded video?
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• 1036[11:08:26] <Rust3dCor3> ok. im rebooting. i can be offline for a while but ill update later. You know. Nvidia drivers
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• 1038[11:09:04] <bites> libavcodec includes a free H.264 decoder.
• 1039[11:10:12] <michael2> is that provided in ffmpeg these days? I had problems with libav
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• 1046[11:11:44] <threaders> reprepro -V --ignore=wrongdistribution --ignore=undefinedtarget update sid
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• 1048[11:11:50] <threaders> Error: unknown key '8B48AD6246925553'!
• 1049[11:11:52] <threaders> anyone know how to deal with this issue?
• 1050[11:12:21] <bites> threaders: have you seen my answer yesterday? did you try importing the key?
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• 1053[11:12:42] <threaders> and how much space would the entire powerpc binary debian packages take
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• 1056[11:13:15] <rant> threaders: you mean to make a local repo of jessie/powerpc?
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• 1059[11:13:51] <threaders> bites, dont think so, tried importing it all sorts of ways from the interwebs so i was hoping for a magic ignore the key fix, one can add a command to reprepro to do this but simple-cdd magically calls it via smoke signals or something
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• 1061[11:14:05] <threaders> i\ll see if i can find the answer in the backlog ,. se
• 1062[11:14:05] <threaders> c
• 1063[11:14:09] <bites> gpg --recv-keys 8B48AD6246925553
• 1064[11:14:18] <bites> threaders: like this?
• 1065[11:14:18] <rant> threaders: the powerpc repo is about 100GB roughly
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• 1067[11:15:22] <threaders> rant, thnx, thats doable at least
• 1068[11:15:51] <threaders> bites, : public key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" imported
• 1069[11:16:02] <threaders> but this is a snapshot of the latest unstable
• 1070[11:16:07] <Rust3dCor3> folks. Looks like im online whit 3d graphics and no dmm repos
• 1071[11:16:14] <Rust3dCor3> thank You for cooperation
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• 1074[11:16:39] <bites> threaders: that's the key reprepro complained about. i don't know how you configured it.
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• 1077[11:17:01] <rant> Rust3dCor3: problem isnt just the repos but what the packages do.. did you get rid of the packages?
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• 1079[11:17:25] <Rust3dCor3> ive removed them and than installed again after apt-get update
• 1080[11:17:39] <threaders> bites, build-simple-cdd --dvd --profiles-udeb-dist sid --dist sid --debian-mirror "replaced-url
• 1081[11:17:54] <Rust3dCor3> apt-get says i had 49 packages not upgraded after the whole thing
• 1082[11:17:57] <Rust3dCor3> now its 0
• 1083[11:18:16] <Rust3dCor3> so. yeah. I think im fine
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• 1085[11:18:33] <rant> yes well those dmm packages will break things in obvious and not-so-obvious ways
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• 1087[11:18:48] <rant> its just good that you thought to mention it
• 1088[11:18:55] <threaders> i use it like this in sources.list deb [check-valid-until=no]
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• 1099[11:20:52] <threaders> without its :
• 1100[11:20:52] <threaders> E: Release file for replaced-url
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• 1142[11:47:24] <threaders> rant, im wanting to gather some ppc32 people, im into amigas as well, which run on ppc now, and have a) the latest possible install disk b) be able to build further releases from source
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• 1152[11:54:12] <threaders> rant, bites, success!
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• 1154[11:55:12] <threaders> added -o Aquire::Check-Valid-Until=false to the simple-cdd config
• 1155[11:55:35] <threaders> thought it was a reprepro problem
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• 1166[12:01:45] <threaders> yaay, next problem
• 1167[12:01:48] <threaders> 2018-07-15 11:59:41 ERROR missing required packages from profile default: grub-pc grub-efi acpi syslinux
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• 1187[12:17:31] <shtrb> Anyone here have the Sierra WWAN (usb or pcie) and can confirm if it works with Stretch (like the EM7455), I got a Huawei wwan that no longer works with nm in stretch ?
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• 1200[12:23:32] <threaders> uh
• 1201[12:23:42] <threaders> builddeps:syslinux : Depends: gnu-efi but it is not installable
• 1202[12:23:42] <threaders> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "gnu-efi"
• 1203[12:24:03] <threaders> i just added the 2016 testing ppc repo too
• 1204[12:24:15] <shtrb> ppc ?
• 1205[12:24:18] <threaders> yes sir
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• 1213[12:27:28] <annadane> are you on stable? don't mix in any testing repos
• 1214[12:27:42] <shtrb> And what is "2016 testing" ?
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• 1216[12:28:03] <threaders> annadane, nope, unstable from 2018 0707
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• 1219[12:28:28] <threaders> shtrb, thats when powerpc got purged, 31 oct 2016 apparently
• 1220[12:28:43] <shtrb> threaders, you are mixing dists , expect issues
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• 1222[12:29:17] <threaders> ../mirror/lists/default_sid_main_powerpc_Packages:Recommends: grub-efi-amd64-bin, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq
• 1223[12:29:18] <annadane> mixing testing and unstable can be fine, but "2016 testing" sounds... bad
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• 1226[12:29:46] <threaders> annadane, i am trying to create an install disk
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• 1229[12:30:07] <threaders> the last powerpc32 install dvd
• 1230[12:30:14] <threaders> ../mirror/lists/default_sid_main_powerpc_Packages:Recommends: grub-efi-amd64-bin, tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq
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• 1232[12:30:25] <threaders> right ...
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• 1245[12:37:28] <RoyK> threaders: just curious - what sort of machine is this? ppc32 isn't really very modern anymore ;)
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• 1247[12:38:18] <threaders> RoyK, powerbook g4 , the last model made in 2005
• 1248[12:38:34] <threaders> 2 gigs of ddr . and radeon 9xxx
• 1249[12:38:40] <threaders> 9700 i think
• 1250[12:38:43] * RoyK had one of those - three, actually, over the years
• 1251[12:38:54] <threaders> i love the keyboard
• 1252[12:39:04] <RoyK> they're nice
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• 1255[12:39:23] <RoyK> but with 1,2GHz of old CPU power… well ;)
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• 1258[12:39:57] <threaders> very, i like messing with code and such so there are tonnes of enterainment here for me, i want to attack the darwin at some point, i started updating the mach kernel to at least compile with newer compilers a few years ago
• 1259[12:40:26] <threaders> RoyK, ofh, yeah this is the 1.66 ghz, you feel the 1 coreness , compiling the kernel takes a day
• 1260[12:40:45] <RoyK> hehe
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• 1263[12:42:13] * RoyK is typing on an old macbook pro 17" from 2010
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• 1266[12:42:28] <shtrb> Is that bad thing ?
• 1267[12:42:36] <RoyK> no
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• 1269[12:43:18] <RoyK> only upgrade I've done was to replace the spinning rust with an SSD
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• 1271[12:44:32] * threaders hopes --require-optional-packages is the problem
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• 1281[12:50:32] <threaders> total-packages: 2224
• 1282[12:50:50] <mspe> I hesitate to do the same
• 1283[12:51:06] <mspe> for now I only upgraded it to 8 GB of RAM
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• 1288[12:53:19] * threaders starts praying its the --extra-udeb-dist sid flag
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• 1297[13:01:41] <threaders> hrm, still missing optional packages from profile default: grub-pc grub-efi acpi syslinux
• 1298[13:01:41] <threaders>
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• 1303[13:03:17] <threaders> why on urth does it do this for ppc target
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• 1340[13:30:15] <xaero> hi, i'm trying to build a custom live install image. i'm using live-build tool and wish to include all packages so i have a large all-in-one offline install image similar to centos's 'everything' iso. i remember there used to be a '--package-lists' option in live build, where you could select minimal, standard and so on. that option seems to be gone nowadays though?
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• 1386[14:04:06] <threaders> meeh, cant be that serious, it spat out a debian iso , finally!!
• 1387[14:04:06] <threaders> 2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck: exited with code 64
• 1388[14:04:06] <threaders> 2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR Last 2 lines of standard error:
• 1389[14:04:06] <threaders> 2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck:: Fatal error in module common/format822.ml:
• 1390[14:04:18] <threaders> 2018-07-15 14:02:29 ERROR distcheck:: character 74-0: RFC 822 error.
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• 1392[14:04:54] <akay> anyone here knows something about slab/slub, cache_reap and high cpu/mem usage of kworker? :)
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• 1396[14:05:47] <threaders> i read slub was better than slab in some cases, i think more modern lower latency stuff, but its been years since i saw a presentation on the subject
• 1397[14:05:54] <threaders> akay,
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• 1399[14:06:23] <threaders> there was a good talk on slab vs slub at least, but i could not locate it last i tried, but its out there
• 1400[14:06:30] <akay> threaders! i'm thinking the same, also it seems like it might fix my high mem usage and high cpu usage of kworker threads
• 1401[14:06:57] <akay> but i'm not 100% sure as i'm not into kernel development
• 1402[14:07:26] <threaders> dont know about that, sounds like something is misbehaving badly, what does top say when ran as root?
• 1403[14:08:04] <threaders> ughm, i got to run
• 1404[14:08:09] <threaders> good luck akay
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• 1527[15:01:24] <abrock> hi
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• 1529[15:01:38] <abrock> I'm trying to burn an audio CD using wodim.
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• 1531[15:02:00] <abrock> But I always get an error after 0 bytes written:
• 1532[15:02:01] <abrock> replaced-url
• 1533[15:02:16] <abrock> it doesn't matter if I use the -dummy option or not
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• 1535[15:02:36] <abrock> I tried 2 different CDR types, no difference
• 1536[15:03:02] <abrock> I tried a dummy write on a DVD+R disk, that worked without problems
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• 1546[15:12:54] <s0nou572> %n
• 1547[15:12:54] <dselect> somebody said n was a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....}
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• 1556[15:15:28] <beauf> hello debian irc channel! I would appreciate if someone has some time just to answer a few questions to help me resolve an issue. I have used a number of GNU/Linux Distros but I am not a deft hand. I just fiddle with stuff sometimes make it work, sometimes break it. ANYWAZE... #1
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• 1559[15:18:51] <dgp> beauf: just ask the question in a single message.
• 1560[15:18:52] <abrock> beauf: it's better to simply ask the specific question / describe the problem, if someone knows answers and has time you will most likely get help
• 1561[15:19:16] <beauf> Kali GNU/Linux has just been installed my new laptop. I purchased the laptop in Easter and it has taken me that long to get access to a wire local area network to fix the networking issue. #2
• 1562[15:19:38] <beauf> dgp: noted. 0bda:b009 Realtek I need chipset can't find table
• 1563[15:20:47] <beauf> dgp: SerialNumber: 00e04c000001
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• 1565[15:23:04] <annadane> okay, but kali isn't really supported here, if you had technical questions about it
• 1566[15:23:09] <annadane> !kali
• 1567[15:23:09] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1568[15:23:53] <beauf> dpkg kali linux
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• 1570[15:23:53] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1572[15:25:28] <beauf> thank you all very much
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• 1575[15:27:30] * annadane hopes *that* factoid is correct
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• 1582[15:32:42] <s0nou572> EXEC bash
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• 1597[15:39:58] <orbea> Anyone know what happened to the source repo for mdf2iso? replaced-url
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• 1599[15:40:21] <orbea> I mean this replaced-url
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• 1606[15:44:15] <abrock> I tried to put in a disc upside down just to see if the drive recognises that something's wrong and it does. Wodim says "Can not load media" etc.
• 1607[15:45:11] <s0nou572> Don't understand too. --> replaced-url
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• 1625[15:53:30] <akay> what is the default io scheduler? cfq?
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• 1635[15:57:08] <BCMM> akay: it's cfq here (sid) and i don't remember changing it.
• 1636[15:57:14] <A|an> I have Win7Pro installed in VirtualBox, to use Office 365...I ran a system update earlier this morning (after being prompted) and now I get a "Error in supliboslnit"..."Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)"
• 1637[15:57:25] <BCMM> i'd forgotten all about io scheduling... is cfq still a good idea on an ssd?
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• 1640[15:57:48] <A|an> Did that system update whack out VirtualBox...along with all my files in Win7?
• 1641[15:57:48] <akay> BCMM: that's actually the reason i want to switch back to cfq
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• 1643[15:57:57] <akay> it doesnt seem like deadline is a good idea when running a SSD
• 1644[15:58:06] <akay> or better said, its not needed
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• 1646[15:58:34] <BCMM> akay: some people have advocated noop on SSDs, but i'm not sure how accepted that is
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• 1648[15:58:49] <akay> oh, thanks for the tip ill look into that before compiling :)
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• 1650[15:59:00] <BCMM> akay: btw are you on sata or nvme?
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• 1653[16:00:11] <akay> BCMM: sata
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• 1655[16:00:41] <akay> well you know what, thinking about it noop makes sense
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• 1657[16:01:05] <akay> if you're not looking at a interface bottleneck noop should indeed be a good choice
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• 1662[16:02:37] <Antares> replaced-url
• 1663[16:02:54] <BCMM> akay: looks like there's a move away from the traditional schedulers due to the new(ish) blk-mq framework. i can't find clear information on exactly *when* that is happening or has happened, though
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• 1673[16:05:18] <BCMM> akay: ah - replaced-url
• 1674[16:06:02] <akay> BCMM: yay for multi-queuing :)
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• 1676[16:06:32] <BCMM> akay: seems pretty neat. but point is, looks like picking a scheduler might be something that'll need revisiting in just a few months
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• 1678[16:07:20] <akay> BCMM: yeah, it's cool to see that I/O scheduling gets a rework
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• 1680[16:07:49] <akay> i'm sure lots of people running high i/o based systems will really enjoy it
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• 1685[16:11:25] <BCMM> or just systems where high io happens occasionally - for like a decade i've been able to "feel" when updatedb is running, for example
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• 1731[16:31:59] <mandeep> when i login to my desktop i always have to run xset r rate 200 60. i decided to write a script and add it to crontab but it doesnt work. is there any other way to run a script after logging in/
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• 1736[16:35:23] <furrymcgee> you can try to set it in your $HOME/.xsession
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• 1741[16:40:16] <cnrhkiyf> How to get rid of screen tearing with AMDGPU drivers on AMD A6 APU with R5 GPU? I use debian testing with xfce4. I already tried compton with disabled xfce4 compositor, it is better than with standard xfce4 compositor but tearing is not 100% gone.
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• 1779[17:03:15] <Something1> cnrhkiyf, try taking a look at this website replaced-url
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• 1785[17:08:28] <TyrfingMjolnir> How do I set the IP address of my system in stretch?
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• 1787[17:09:26] <TyrfingMjolnir> /etc/network/interfaces has iface eth0 inet manual
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• 1789[17:10:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> ip a tells me the IP address
• 1790[17:10:26] <furrymcgee> did you read man interfaces?
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• 1792[17:10:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> And I can set this too
• 1793[17:10:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> Will this make the IP persist?
• 1794[17:10:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> furrymcgee: Will do
• 1795[17:11:23] <[E]sc> i'm using debian 9.2 and i'm on KDE. whenever I use VLC to play videos before it would stop the screensaver from activating. however after an update, either via vlc or the dist, it keeps turn on when i play videos. I tried turning the screensaver off and on again, but that doesn't seem to work nor does it work when i reset the vlc preferences, any ideas how to fix this?
• 1796[17:11:41] <RoyK> TyrfingMjolnir: use "static" not manual
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• 1803[17:13:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> RoyK: static is what I have been using since debian 2, no?
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• 1806[17:15:38] <RoyK> TyrfingMjolnir: still the same
• 1807[17:16:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> Perfect
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• 1827[17:36:19] <Nitrogen> Greetings. After an update, sites like gfycat.com don't work on Chromium anymore. How do I fix that?
• 1828[17:36:45] <Nitrogen> (Also, the files don't play properly on Firefox. That has always been the case)
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• 1840[17:42:51] <Nitrogen> I just checked a webm on Commons, and that doesn't work either.
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• 1845[17:43:24] <Something1> Can you do a ´apt update´ to see if there are not packages that are ready to be updated?
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• 1852[17:45:52] <Nitrogen> Is there a difference to apt-get update? I always do that before typing apt-get upgrade
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• 1854[17:46:28] <Something1> No it´s practically the same. Uses the same backend and all that too
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• 1856[17:46:56] <Something1> But you can try a ´apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade´ to be sure
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• 1861[17:50:26] <lessthan0> how do I lookup a bug by bug number
• 1862[17:50:28] <shtrb> *apt-get dist-upgrade -d would be safer
• 1863[17:50:40] <lessthan0> this must be something obvious I am missing
• 1864[17:50:42] <shtrb> lessthan0, bugs.debian.org/ID
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• 1867[17:51:36] <lessthan0> can we add this to the wiki?
• 1868[17:51:51] <lessthan0> or add it to bug search as search by bug #?
• 1869[17:52:15] <lessthan0> add it to google search results with SEO?
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• 1871[17:52:19] <shtrb> #763832
• 1872[17:52:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1873[17:52:21] <NCS_One> hi
• 1874[17:52:23] <shtrb> lessthan0, ^
• 1875[17:52:29] <lessthan0> wow that is easy
• 1876[17:52:43] <lessthan0> #878088
• 1877[17:52:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1881[17:53:06] <shtrb> lessthan0, you can also talk directly to judd
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• 1883[17:53:12] <lessthan0> I see this update today but the description is not helpful
• 1884[17:53:38] <Something1> Nitrogen, you can also look at your /etc/apt/sources.list if it looks like replaced-url
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• 1890[17:55:39] <Nitrogen> I don't want any non-free stuff tho :x It did work a few days before.
• 1891[17:55:59] <shtrb> remove non-free from your sources.list
• 1892[17:56:17] <Something1> And you have the security one as well?
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• 1894[17:57:07] <NCS_One> so the Debian site says that to prepare a usb with a Debian install I should "having made sure that the stick is unmounted", do "# cp debian.iso /dev/sdX", then "# sync". Can I copy to usb with it unmounted?
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• 1899[17:59:39] <Something1> Yes, NCS_One
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• 1915[18:04:27] <jelly> NCS_One, you have to, the point is to overwrite the whole device
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• 1923[18:07:10] <NCS_One> jelly: the usb was mounted on /dev/sdb1 I unmounted it and tryed "cp Downloads/debian-live-9.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso /dev/sdb", got "cp: cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb': Permission denied"
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• 1925[18:08:08] <dvs> NCS_One, as root?
• 1926[18:08:13] <NCS_One> no
• 1927[18:08:22] <dvs> try cp as root
• 1928[18:08:28] <NCS_One> can I use sudo?
• 1929[18:08:32] <jelly> yes
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• 1947[18:14:20] <lessthan0> as far as I can tell the update is for reportbug? because people were reporting security bugs and it was not tracked properly in BTS?
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• 1949[18:14:48] <lessthan0> so it is not exactly a security patch but a reportbug patch?
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• 1951[18:15:03] <lessthan0> and the bug report in reportbug is actually about reportbug?
• 1952[18:15:08] <lessthan0> meta
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• 1961[18:19:28] <NCS_One> thanks
• 1962[18:21:02] <dvs> np
• 1963[18:21:46] <NCS_One> fdisk doesn't come in the default install, can I install it if I'm using Debian on a usb?
• 1964[18:22:04] <jelly> are you SURE it doesn't come?
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• 1967[18:23:02] <NCS_One> at least in my install I can't find it
• 1968[18:23:20] <NCS_One> I'm on a Debian system
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• 1971[18:25:01] <jelly> NCS_One, are you root? /sbin/fdisk should be there
• 1972[18:25:02] <BCMM> NCS_One: have you tried /sbin/fdisk?
• 1973[18:25:05] <bites> what kind of install? fdisk does come by default on normal installs. it's in util-linux.
• 1974[18:25:20] <BCMM> NCS_One: unlike some other distros, debian doesn't have /sbin/ in the PATH for regular users
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• 1977[18:25:54] <NCS_One> bites: oh, you are right
• 1978[18:26:08] <NCS_One> I was trying sd<tab>
• 1979[18:26:23] <NCS_One> sorry
• 1980[18:26:29] <NCS_One> fd<tab>
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• 1983[18:28:08] <BCMM> bites: minor detail: for the purposes of debian packaging, util-linux depends on fdisk rather than including fdisk
• 1984[18:28:14] <BCMM> but yeah it's pretty hard to not have it installed
• 1985[18:28:30] <BCMM> NCS_One: btw, mounting is the process of making the filesystem *on* a block device accessible to linux. *not* the process of making the block device itself available.
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• 1987[18:28:58] <bites> BCMM: it includes the binary.
• 1988[18:29:07] <BCMM> NCS_One: so while you obviously can't copy individual files on to a USB stick while it's not mounted, you can just replace the whole filesystem at a block level
• 1989[18:29:33] <BCMM> bites: huh, weird. what does dpkg -S /sbin/fdisk show on your system?
• 1990[18:29:49] <bites> util-linux: /sbin/fdisk
• 1991[18:30:05] <BCMM> bites: my apologies; it must have changed in sid i guess
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• 1993[18:30:44] <lessthan0> rebooting for 7.1.7+deb9u2 #878088
• 1994[18:30:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1996[18:31:15] <BCMM> bites: ah yes, changed in buster
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• 1999[18:33:05] <BCMM> NCS_One: and, in fact, you should always unmount before writing an image to a disk, because otherwise it's likely that the driver of the previously mounted filesystem will carry on writing to the disk (as it has no way of knowing that you've gone over its head and modified the disk yourself)
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• 2009[18:37:12] <NCS_One> BCMM: thanks for the info
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• 2019[18:41:47] <NCS_One> I'm trying to check a disk for errors
• 2020[18:42:01] <NCS_One> I'm using badblocks
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• 2022[18:42:27] <NCS_One> recommend any other?
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• 2029[18:46:41] <csmall> Can the kernel from testing be used in stable easily and if so, how are security updates handled for the 'backported' kernel package?
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• 2033[18:48:25] <bites> you can install the kernel from stretch-backports. it does not get timely security updates.
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• 2036[18:48:52] <bites> replaced-url
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• 2038[18:48:55] <jelly> they're somewhat timely.
• 2039[18:49:07] <csmall> bites: Is it the two day delay or something?
• 2040[18:49:20] <jelly> csmall, might be a week or three.
• 2041[18:49:29] <bites> nothing guaranteed.
• 2042[18:49:32] <jelly> ^
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• 2058[19:10:30] <ChmEarl> zerocool, msg me
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• 2060[19:11:36] <csmall> ok
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• 2062[19:11:57] <csmall> I have a laptop with newer hardware and I think the latest kernel will support it better.
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• 2064[19:12:33] <csmall> Right now I am running Arch with zero issues but I miss Debian. :)
• 2065[19:13:33] <csmall> Testing gets security updates but not as quickly as stable, correct?
• 2066[19:13:58] <jelly> incorrect
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• 2069[19:14:07] <jelly> testing does NOT get security updates
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• 2071[19:14:45] <csmall> Oh, I must have not understood what I was reading.
• 2072[19:14:55] <jelly> unstable gets updates, be they security or not. If the stars align, they end up in testing
• 2073[19:15:26] <NCS_One> can I install apps with the usb Debian?
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• 2076[19:15:33] <jelly> !testing security
• 2077[19:15:33] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
• 2078[19:15:37] <BCMM> jelly: for clarification, that means testing *might* get updates that are security-related, but there's not a specific system in place to make sure it happens, right?
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• 2080[19:15:47] <jelly> BCMM, right
• 2081[19:15:57] <csmall> I see
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• 2084[19:17:02] <csmall> I've always run sid in the past but I started considering stable/testing recently and am for the first time trying to understand the security update process.
• 2085[19:17:23] <csmall> servers I run stable, but my laptop/desktops have always been sid
• 2086[19:18:04] <NCS_One> which package has smartctl?
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• 2088[19:18:11] <jelly> NCS_One, if it's an installation and not a live usb, yes. If it's live, you can perhaps enable persistency but it might not be very viable in the long run
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• 2093[19:18:36] <jelly> NCS_One, smartmontools. Also, you can ask the bot: /msg judd file bin/smartctl
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• 2095[19:18:43] <NCS_One> jelly: its just to check a disk errors
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• 2097[19:19:10] <jfbourdeau> I was used to Ubuntu. Considering moving to Debian. Is Debian succeptible to things like this replaced-url
• 2098[19:19:35] <jfbourdeau> meant deppend of the " user in front of the keyboard"
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• 2101[19:19:37] <NCS_One> I try "sudo apt-get install smartmontools" but it can't find it
• 2102[19:19:48] <jelly> ah. I prefer grml.org instead of a normal debian live to do sysadmin things. It comes with almost every tool imaginable needed for recovery and fixing stuff.
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• 2107[19:21:03] <jelly> jfbourdeau, debian can use third party repositories, and it's on you to decide whether you trust them.
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• 2109[19:21:28] <jfbourdeau> TKs jelly
• 2110[19:21:36] <jelly> NCS_One, don't forget to "apt-get update" first
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• 2116[19:24:01] <jelly> jfbourdeau, this isn't any different from git cloning a random piece of source from somewhere and building and installing it and hoping it does not contain malware
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• 2131[19:31:44] <csmall> Is a rolling release more secure because it will likely get security issues fixed upstream reqularly or is a point release stable system more secure because nothing new is introduced except for security patches?
• 2132[19:32:03] <csmall> Seems like a matter of opinion I guess
• 2133[19:32:08] <shtrb> There is no secure because of magic thing
• 2134[19:32:17] <csmall> shtrb: Not what I mean
• 2135[19:32:24] <rant> csmall: haha.. no.
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• 2137[19:32:44] <rozie> changes in upstream can introduce security flaws too
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• 2139[19:33:02] <csmall> rozie: True.
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• 2142[19:33:22] <rant> ywes in my experience distros with time based schedules suffer more unexpected bugs not less
• 2143[19:33:23] <rozie> so I believe stable system is more secure
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• 2145[19:33:32] <shtrb> csmall, rolling is not more secure than point release (and vice versa)
• 2146[19:33:48] <csmall> shtrb: Yeah I know what you mean
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• 2150[19:34:13] <rozie> if only developer react to security fixes in upstram quickly
• 2151[19:34:18] <csmall> More so curious what everyones opinion was
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• 2154[19:34:31] <rozie> but there's no silver bullet
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• 2158[19:34:52] <csmall> rozie: Less likely, yeah
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• 2162[19:36:25] <csmall> I'll give stable a shot and see how my hardware likes it.
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• 2164[19:37:16] <jelly> it does not mater. A distro needs a security team and a well established workflow to track and fix issues. Whether they deliver rolling or jumping or staircase releases is less important
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• 2169[19:38:52] <csmall> jelly: In the sea of Linux dist's Debian's seems to have a decent track record.
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• 2173[19:39:27] <shtrb> What's a staircase release ?
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• 2176[19:39:56] <mspe> a release every 2 or 3 years
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• 2179[19:40:15] <mspe> with numerous big changes at once
• 2180[19:40:16] <shtrb> So .. Debian ?
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• 2182[19:40:23] <mspe> debian stable
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• 2186[19:41:16] <mspe> debian testing is for testing the future stable release and benefits from a security team also
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• 2189[19:42:29] <mspe> debian unstable moves all the time: newer releases all the time, so you might get quicker bugfixes than testing, but you also might get new bugs faster
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• 2192[19:43:25] <phenom> Debian, YO, where are the etinstall images?
• 2193[19:43:32] <phenom> netinstall*
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• 2195[19:43:39] <mspe> debian unstable can be nice to use newer packages, but you have to be really at ease with the way debian works in case of problems
• 2196[19:44:05] <phenom> replaced-url
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• 2200[19:44:51] <phenom> netinstall image links have been down for 2 days
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• 2202[19:45:12] <annadane> because they're getting ready to upload 9.5
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• 2205[19:46:19] <j4ss> hey guys
• 2206[19:46:19] <j4ss> i used ps and i saw ./script running, how i can find where this script was salved
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• 2209[19:47:19] <phenom> annadane, Two days down seems like a long time to be down pending this change.
• 2210[19:47:26] <j4ss> root 31068 0.0 0.0 9188 1348 pts/2 S+ 14:30 0:00 /bin/bash ./script
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• 2213[19:48:35] <annadane> well they're literally doing it right now so wait
• 2214[19:48:54] <annadane> you can still get the images if you replace 9.4 with 9.5 in the url
• 2215[19:49:43] <phenom> annadane, Right on,, thank you.
• 2216[19:50:52] <p0lyph3m> j4ss cd /proc/31068/cwd
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• 2257[20:10:35] <rant> the 9.5 images have been there for awhile now. just didnt update the links.. which I reported to d-w@l.d.o yesterday
• 2258[20:10:56] <annadane> you can get the *images*, just not the checksums, i think
• 2259[20:11:06] <rant> fwiw you could also replace current with 9.4.0
• 2260[20:11:07] <annadane> so if you're interested in that kind of stuff (which you should be)...
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• 2263[20:12:04] <annadane> anyway it'll definitely be there today
• 2264[20:12:13] <j4ss> p0lyph3m but /proc/31068/cwd It's not the real directory
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• 2266[20:12:27] <j4ss> p0lyph3m how i can find real directory
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• 2268[20:15:19] <p0lyph3m> j4ss cd /proc/31068/ ; ls -l exe
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• 2275[20:22:09] <annadane> phenom, it's up now
• 2276[20:22:14] <annadane> enjoy your 9.5, everyone
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• 2279[20:25:29] <rant> I downloaded it last night, just haven't made the install media yet
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• 2282[20:26:55] <annadane> yeah i downloaded it too but the link wouldn't give you access to the signatures and stuff
• 2283[20:27:00] <annadane> so i'm re-downloading it
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• 2286[20:29:36] <rant> I downloaded it because I'm actually planning a fresh install today, not cause there is a new iso.. :P
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• 2305[20:44:19] <zerocool> annadane: weren't you in #debian-next with me yesterday?
• 2306[20:44:47] <annadane> quite possibly
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• 2310[20:45:35] <zerocool> i was running around trying to figure out a problem where basically i cannot get a package in stable repos but i can in testing... there was talk about backporting and compatibility in that channel
• 2311[20:46:32] <zerocool> i pulled the source and tried to build in debian stretch but it would not, i thought they were saying it would be possible to build this in stretch because dependencies were satisfied
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• 2314[20:47:09] <annadane> well, what's the package, maybe if you post the output to paste.debian.net we can help
• 2315[20:47:18] <zerocool> is there a way i can check this myself without looking at every package, you know, does anyone know how to check if a package from another repo will build in another?
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• 2317[20:47:33] <zerocool> i think it was libvirt-daemon
• 2318[20:47:41] <zerocool> 99% sure
• 2319[20:47:49] <zerocool> else libvirt or libvirtd
• 2320[20:48:04] <annadane> judd, checkbackport libvirt-daemon --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
• 2321[20:48:05] <judd> Backporting package libvirt-daemon in buster→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
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• 2323[20:48:21] <zerocool> yhes that!
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• 2325[20:48:33] <annadane> so it "should" work
• 2326[20:48:50] <annadane> if it doesn't maybe we can diagnose
• 2327[20:49:16] <zerocool> hmm... okay i will try to build and see again
• 2328[20:49:45] <annadane> i think i may also have suggested it from sid, not sure if different versions
• 2329[20:49:50] <annadane> judd, checkbackport libvirt-daemon --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 2330[20:49:51] <judd> Backporting package libvirt-daemon in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
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• 2335[20:52:05] <annadane> the tar has a README which contains some instructions on building
• 2336[20:52:18] <annadane> however, please don't make install with root
• 2337[20:52:25] <zerocool> annadane: because i don't do this all the time, i download the tar from replaced-url
• 2338[20:52:34] <zerocool> this is what i did yesterday
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• 2345[20:55:13] <annadane> or rather, you apparently have to use make as root, but just choose a directory for it
• 2346[20:55:38] <zerocool> also do i get the "libvirt_4.3.0-1.debian.tar.xz" or the non-debian one
• 2347[20:55:38] <annadane> somewhere where it's not going to interfere with the usual debian package operations
• 2348[20:56:06] <annadane> no you want the non-debian
• 2349[20:56:43] <annadane> /usr/local i think is fine to compile it in
• 2350[20:58:18] <zerocool> k thank you annadane
• 2351[20:59:11] <annadane> you can/should compile it as non-root but make install with root
• 2352[20:59:18] <annadane> sorry about that
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• 2354[20:59:42] <zerocool> understood, im reading configure help because idk how to set locations, its in here somewhere :)
• 2355[21:00:01] <zerocool> maybe --bindir=
• 2356[21:00:02] <bites> what are you making? i thought you were backporting a debian package.
• 2357[21:00:20] <zerocool> is backporting just taking the binary?
• 2358[21:00:25] <zerocool> pre-compiled
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• 2360[21:00:36] <bites> usually you would run ./configure --prefix=/somedir if it was created with gnu autotools.
• 2361[21:01:06] <bites> backporting is taking the debian package from unstable or testing and compiling it on stable.
• 2362[21:01:32] <zerocool> bites: that's what i am doing
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• 2364[21:01:43] <bites> so what's the talk about make and configure?
• 2365[21:02:16] <zerocool> isn't configure and make part of compile
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• 2367[21:03:03] <bites> indirectly for debian packages. you don't do it by hand.
• 2368[21:03:46] <zerocool> replaced-url
• 2369[21:03:49] <bites> gimme a second, trying to find the factorial.
• 2370[21:03:57] <zerocool> i need that installed on stable
• 2371[21:04:02] <zerocool> so whatever makes that happen
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• 2373[21:04:32] <zerocool> i would rather it be in the stable repos so i don't have to do anything special but it's not for... some unknown reason
• 2374[21:04:32] <bites> !ssb
• 2375[21:04:32] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 2379[21:05:01] <bites> ^ zerocool that's how you backport a debian package easily.
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• 2382[21:05:25] <bites> ,checkbackport libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster
• 2383[21:05:26] <judd> Backporting package libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, archignore.
• 2384[21:05:43] <annadane> oh. right. yeah. that thing.
• 2385[21:05:57] <annadane> i've only posted it like a million other times before and now don't remember my own advice
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• 2387[21:06:07] <zerocool> lol
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• 2392[21:09:02] <zerocool> okay so this package is available not in backports but buster, i instructions say add sid, i can just copy my deb-src for stretch and replace with buster, yeah?
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• 2394[21:09:37] <zerocool> for instance `deb-src replaced-url
• 2395[21:09:38] <bites> yes
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• 2400[21:11:47] <zerocool> okay i have another question... i installed buster straight up to make sure that this would work and i installed libvirt-daemon... i still could not mount gluster so then i tried also installing libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster and it worked
• 2401[21:12:04] <zerocool> the latter package says it's build from the newer libvirt
• 2402[21:12:31] <zerocool> so i cannot use libvirt-daemon 3, and then pull the newer libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster...
• 2403[21:12:56] <zerocool> i have to use libvirt-daemon 4.3?
• 2404[21:13:20] <bites> maybe. i don't know.
• 2405[21:13:27] <zerocool> fair enough :)
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• 2408[21:14:22] <zerocool> and in those instructions where is says to use aptitude can i use apt-get
• 2409[21:14:42] <bites> yep
• 2410[21:14:42] <annadane> think so
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• 2418[21:20:11] <zerocool> replaced-url
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• 2420[21:20:37] <zerocool> .... could not be accessed by user _apt...
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• 2422[21:20:53] <annadane> !pastebin.com
• 2423[21:20:53] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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• 2427[21:21:50] <zerocool> replaced-url
• 2428[21:21:55] <zerocool> does that work?
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• 2430[21:22:54] <zerocool> oh it's a lot of missing packages i think
• 2431[21:23:09] <zerocool> `dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies:`
• 2432[21:23:32] <bites> you did run apt-get build-dep libvirt before that, right?
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• 2436[21:24:36] <zerocool> bites: i only read about 90% of my instructions so that must have been in the 10%
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• 2438[21:25:03] <zerocool> also i took it as if you have aptitude do this if you use apt-get use this
• 2439[21:25:19] <zerocool> because instructions are mixing two... similar tools?
• 2440[21:25:28] <bites> you can replace aptitude with apt-get in the instructions.
• 2441[21:26:07] <zerocool> bites: its at least further now than it was before :)
• 2442[21:26:18] <zerocool> thank you for your help and patience
• 2443[21:26:23] <zerocool> bites: and annadane
• 2444[21:26:32] <annadane> yeah i really didn't help like at all
• 2445[21:26:33] <zerocool> and dpkg
• 2446[21:26:35] <annadane> but you're welcome
• 2447[21:26:37] <annadane> dpkg is a bot
• 2448[21:26:37] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, annadane
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• 2450[21:26:37] <zerocool> :P
• 2451[21:26:40] <zerocool> i know
• 2452[21:26:47] <annadane> (and still more helpful than i am)
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• 2455[21:27:25] <zerocool> its making so many words on my terminal i think it's going to overload
• 2456[21:27:39] <bites> that's a good sign. ^^
• 2457[21:27:49] <annadane> welcome to the world of verbose compile messages
• 2458[21:28:19] <zerocool> im finally a hacker hold on while i write home to momma
• 2459[21:28:45] <bites> that's how they catch you.
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• 2466[21:33:13] <zerocool> alright, after one hour
• 2467[21:33:16] <zerocool> replaced-url
• 2468[21:33:31] <zerocool> missing libvirt-wireshark, and yeah this is after that build-dep
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• 2470[21:33:53] <zerocool> im guessing
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• 2473[21:35:11] <bites> hmm... libvirt-wireshark ist part of the same source package, it's not a dependency.
• 2474[21:36:10] <bites> weird. i wonder if it even builds on buster.
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• 2476[21:37:21] <bites> zerocool: what happens if you just install wireshark?
• 2477[21:37:41] <zerocool> bites: im installing it like i im trying to install the newer libvirt
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• 2480[21:38:29] <bites> install the package from stretch first if you havn't already.
• 2481[21:39:01] <bites> also libwireshark-dev for good measure.
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• 2483[21:39:21] <zerocool> apt-cache search libvirt-wireshark has nothing
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• 2486[21:39:51] <bites> because that's one of the binary packages you are trying to build.
• 2487[21:39:55] <zerocool> and `libwireshark-dev is already the newest version`
• 2488[21:40:29] <bites> just wireshark for now.
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• 2490[21:41:22] <zerocool> kk installed wireshark, now retry build libvirt-daemon?
• 2491[21:42:07] <bites> yes.
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• 2495[21:45:23] <zerocool> dang, same.
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• 2499[21:49:05] <NCS_One> a badlocks on a 500 GB hdd can take how much time?
• 2500[21:49:35] <NCS_One> badblocks
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• 2506[21:55:23] <bites> zerocool: gimme a second.
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• 2517[22:01:26] <zerocool> bites: yeah for sure
• 2518[22:01:47] <zerocool> when trying to build libvirt-wireshark i get this replaced-url
• 2519[22:02:02] <zerocool> replaced-url
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• 2521[22:02:40] <bites> it's in the same source package, you can't build it separately.
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• 2523[22:03:04] <bites> libvirt is what you build. and it creates all the binary packages in your second link.
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• 2525[22:03:49] <zerocool> that's what i thought, but when we ask that backport bot here we are asking specifically for libvirt-daemon...
• 2526[22:04:05] <bites> the bot still checks the source package.
• 2527[22:04:13] <zerocool> hmm, okay.
• 2528[22:05:16] <ChmEarl> zerocool, I know this error, in your chroot, before you build modify wireshark.pc: sed -e 's|\/\/usr||' /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/wireshark.pc
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• 2531[22:05:43] <ChmEarl> ^^ modify only the chroot version
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• 2534[22:07:00] <zerocool> how do i in my chroot
• 2535[22:07:27] <ChmEarl> or cd debian/tmp/usr/usr/lib; mv x86_64-linux-gnu ../../lib
• 2536[22:07:51] <ChmEarl> then: fakeroot debian/rules binary (to finish dh_install)
• 2537[22:08:19] <ChmEarl> ^ puts the wireshark plugins in the right place
• 2538[22:09:27] <ChmEarl> pkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
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• 2540[22:13:01] <zerocool> ahhh...
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• 2543[22:13:15] <zerocool> `sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary`
• 2544[22:13:39] <zerocool> debian/rules:154: recipe for target 'binary' failed
• 2545[22:14:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1601
• 2546[22:14:13] <ChmEarl> need to comment out one line about apparmor
• 2547[22:14:14] <zerocool> maybe i am taking "binary" too literally?
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• 2549[22:14:35] <annadane> Yes. No.
• 2550[22:14:54] <ChmEarl> zerocool, I had same error as you + one more
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• 2552[22:15:08] <zerocool> ChmEarl: i actually had 2 errors as well
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• 2554[22:15:56] <ChmEarl> zerocool, you are practically finished
• 2555[22:16:11] <zerocool> comment out "WITH_APPARMOR"?
• 2556[22:16:22] <ChmEarl> any error in dh_install are silly path errors
• 2557[22:16:31] <ChmEarl> ^^ let me find the apparmor line, wait
• 2558[22:16:52] <zerocool> thanks!
• 2559[22:17:32] <ChmEarl> in d/rules, comment out: rm debian/libvirt-daemon-system/etc/apparmor.d/local/*
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• 2563[22:19:09] <ChmEarl> before you build again, paste this: pkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
• 2564[22:20:49] <zerocool> im suppose to 'sudo fakeroot debian/rules binary' before, right?
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• 2568[22:22:40] <ChmEarl> zerocool, thats if your debian/tmp is populated and fixed
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• 2570[22:23:24] <ChmEarl> fakeroot debian/rules binary <-- desparate attempt to salvage a build after an error in dh_install
• 2571[22:23:24] <zerocool> ChmEarl: it's populated with etc/ usr/ var/
• 2572[22:23:41] <zerocool> oh
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• 2576[22:25:03] <ChmEarl> zerocool, best bet is to fix wireshark.pc, comment out the line in d/rules, then build again as before
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• 2581[22:26:14] <ChmEarl> zerocool: (2nd attempt) modify wireshark.pc: sed -e 's|\/\/usr||' /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/wireshark.pc
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• 2584[22:28:39] <ChmEarl> zerocool, if that sed command works, use `sed -i -e <same>`
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• 2587[22:30:28] <zerocool> this wireshark.pc is somewhere under /opt/libvirt-4.3.0/ ?
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• 2589[22:31:51] <zerocool> lol nevermind
• 2590[22:32:21] <zerocool> $ pkg-config --variable plugindir wireshark
• 2591[22:32:22] <zerocool> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/wireshark/plugins/2.2.6
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• 2603[22:36:52] <Sokomine> hi. i'm fighting with getting a new disk to properly boot my (now encrypted) root file system. grub2 eventually cooperated long enough so that the passphrase is asked for. entering the right or wrong version can be distinguished by either the background image in grubs menu appearing or not
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• 2605[22:37:05] <ChmEarl> zerocool, thats it, you fixed it
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• 2607[22:37:48] <Sokomine> trouble is...booting a kernel does not seem to work. the initrd complains that a device with the given UUID does not exist (it ought to - grub just read its menu texture from there!) and gives up, leaving me at the busybox prompt
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• 2610[22:38:46] <zerocool> ChmEarl: replaced-url
• 2611[22:38:59] <zerocool> i think i messed it up, should i start over
• 2612[22:39:47] <zerocool> im going to kill the datas and start over
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• 2625[22:44:40] <ChmEarl> zerocool, wait, you need to edit on file in d/
• 2626[22:44:45] <ChmEarl> one file
• 2627[22:45:18] <ChmEarl> debian/libvirt-daemon-system.examples <-- comment out all 3 lines
• 2628[22:45:46] <ChmEarl> sorry, forgot about that one zerocool
• 2629[22:46:28] <zerocool> watch tomorrow the package i need is released to stable -_-
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• 2631[22:47:11] <Sokomine> any ideas where i might look at to get further in the boot process? the initrd fails to see the root partion...
• 2632[22:48:03] <zerocool> Sokomine: i feel like i have been where you are...
• 2633[22:48:14] <zerocool> can you use the classic /dev in place?
• 2634[22:48:20] <zerocool> in grub
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• 2644[22:53:11] <Sokomine> zerocool: tried to check with ls /dev/sda* but didn't get any further there
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• 2646[22:53:36] <lessthan0> I always ls /dev
• 2647[22:53:45] <zerocool> ^
• 2648[22:53:46] <lessthan0> so I can see everything
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• 2650[22:53:54] <lessthan0> don't want to rely on *
• 2651[22:54:19] <zerocool> lsblk depending on what you have, if it's just busybox i don't think you have anything like that but blkid, which might work too actually
• 2652[22:54:26] <lessthan0> zerocool you are one level above me ;)
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• 2655[22:54:44] <lessthan0> fdisk -l
• 2656[22:54:51] <lessthan0> works on busybox
• 2657[22:55:11] <Sokomine> sda2 didn't show up there. besides, once the crypted fs from there is mounted, it'll get another name. the uuid wasn't visible
• 2658[22:55:49] <lessthan0> I am in #debian and #debian-offtopic are there any more rooms?
• 2659[22:55:51] <Sokomine> sadly, fdisk -l didn't provide any helpful information. perhaps i broke my initrd? how can i best rebuild it?
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• 2661[22:56:03] <zerocool> Sokomine: yeah i was thinking when i had this issue it was with an encrpyted volume after a dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch
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• 2663[22:56:17] <zerocool> it was once and it was a while ago but that machine is still running so... there is away
• 2664[22:56:17] <Sokomine> blkid didn't list any devices, strangely enough
• 2665[22:56:39] <lessthan0> I never worked with encrypted disks in linux I can't help you there
• 2666[22:56:46] <annadane> not really lessthan0, most of the debian channels are on oftc
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• 2668[22:57:03] <Sokomine> yes :-) trouble is: what is the way? and there's a huge risk of forgetting it due to setting it up so rarely and so seldom having to boot
• 2669[22:57:03] <lessthan0> yeah I am on OFTC
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• 2672[22:57:42] <lessthan0> 1585 people (or bots) here and 577 there
• 2673[22:58:17] <zerocool> im a bot
• 2674[22:58:23] <lessthan0> haha
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• 2677[22:58:39] <zerocool> ChmEarl: okay i think... everything is setup like it should be and i am giving it another go
• 2678[22:59:03] <zerocool> thanks again for your help, this is unfamilair territory for me
• 2679[22:59:31] <Sokomine> zerocool: do you happen to know how to set grub2 to offer the right keyboard driver? entering the passphrase with the wrong keyboard layout led to several failed attempts first. took me a while until i got it right
• 2680[22:59:46] <lessthan0> I need some help
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• 2683[23:00:00] <lessthan0> I can probably figure it out but wanted to ask to be sure
• 2684[23:00:14] <lessthan0> I created a new LV and did mkfs
• 2685[23:00:25] <lessthan0> I rebooted
• 2686[23:00:33] <lessthan0> I want to see if it automounted
• 2687[23:00:48] <lessthan0> and if not I want to set a persistent mount point
• 2688[23:00:48] <ChmEarl> zerocool, when done, can you pastebin *amd64.buildinfo please? I want to see qemu and libxen* versions
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• 2690[23:01:17] <zerocool> ChmEarl: if it succeeds, fails, or either?
• 2691[23:01:20] <lessthan0> should I check /etc/mtab?
• 2692[23:01:48] <ChmEarl> zerocool, if it succeeds, yeah, you know it will :)
• 2693[23:02:00] <zerocool> dont get me so excited
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• 2695[23:02:37] <zerocool> :O i have reached a new phase
• 2696[23:02:59] <zerocool> the many "warning" territory
• 2697[23:03:22] <lessthan0> is mount -l depreciated?
• 2698[23:04:39] <lessthan0> or findmnt?
• 2699[23:04:46] <Sokomine> update-initramfs did some work and mentionned crypto related modules. perhaps it will work now. i'll give it a try
• 2700[23:05:01] <lessthan0> should I just add what I want to /etc/fstab?
• 2701[23:05:19] <zerocool> ChmEarl: replaced-url
• 2702[23:05:21] <zerocool> :D
• 2703[23:06:03] <ChmEarl> zerocool, thanks, looks great
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• 2705[23:06:53] <ChmEarl> zerocool, qemu-2.8 and libxen-4.8, check, thats expected
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• 2714[23:08:47] <lessthan0> vi does not parse the tab spacing correctly for vi /etc/fstab
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• 2716[23:09:23] <lessthan0> I know this is probably only visual but I want to make sure I input the correct tab spacing when I make a new entry
• 2717[23:10:47] <zerocool> ChmEarl: so this kind of goes along with a question i had earlier... i really only need libvirt-daemon-driver-storage-gluster, which is built from libvirt-4.3.0, the source we have been working with
• 2718[23:11:18] <zerocool> can i use libvirt 3 which is provided by stable repos and only install this one component from source as we just did?
• 2719[23:11:56] <zerocool> libvirt-daemon-drivers-storage-gluster
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• 2725[23:15:52] <zerocool> oh well nevermind i got my answer
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• 2759[23:38:25] <superslacker> I have asked in gnome as well, but I was wondering if anyone here cant tell me how I can lock an app to a window using Stretch and Gnome 3.22.2?
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