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• 6[00:07:04] <Gerowen> hypn0: I was just giving an example.
• 7[00:08:45] <hypn0> I understand, but using sda wasn't a good idea
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• 23[00:25:32] <tw> ls
• 24[00:25:38] <tw> err, sorry about that.
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• 46[00:58:35] <wr> think have a issue on my debian, it uses a lot disk space over 861gb of my 1tb disk and i have like only 5gb of files, how can i check this?
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• 56[01:10:29] <hypn0> wr: you tried lsblk ?
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• 61[01:25:01] <wr> hypn0, no, haven´t used nothing yet
• 62[01:25:27] <wr> hypn0, decided to come here cause was bit clueless on this
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• 65[01:26:43] <hypn0> how many partitions you got wr?
• 66[01:26:55] <wr> hypn0, 2
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• 69[01:28:02] <wr> hypn0, got sdb1 and sdb5 swap
• 70[01:28:30] <hypn0> where's sda?
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• 72[01:29:02] <hypn0> sdb is second drive?
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• 75[01:30:48] <wr> hypn0, i use sdb only, sda is empty drive have here
• 76[01:32:06] <hypn0> you want to find largest files?
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• 81[01:37:56] <rmzelnick> help, my new kernel is panic'ing
• 82[01:37:59] <rmzelnick> =(
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• 84[01:38:44] <rmzelnick> It says I have to add an init= option on the bootloader, I was able to boot back using the kernel's previous version: 4.9.0-6-amd64
• 85[01:39:01] <rmzelnick> The next version is 4.9.0-8
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• 88[01:42:48] <simbalion> How can I test my video card memory for errors?
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• 90[01:44:22] <rmzelnick> simbalion: What do you mean by errors?
• 91[01:45:02] <simbalion> I'm looking for a tool like memtester but for video card ram.
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• 95[01:46:10] <rmzelnick> Are you talking about benchmark?
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• 97[01:47:51] <rmzelnick> I found this article replaced-url
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• 124[01:54:19] <simbalion> I'm looking for a tool like memtester but for video memory.
• 125[01:54:19] <simbalion> rmzelnick: you clearly don't know the answer so quit.
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• 139[01:56:05] <rmzelnick> how rude!
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• 142[02:01:59] <rmzelnick> simbalion: replaced-url
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• 147[02:04:07] <rmzelnick> you're welcome btw
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• 151[02:12:01] <wr> hypn0, yes
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• 161[02:24:28] <wr> found problem, .xsession-errors.old file is 913gb
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• 168[02:35:31] <jgkamat> oh god
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• 170[02:36:05] <jgkamat> maybe something is filling it up really quickly by sending errors in a loop
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• 173[02:40:36] <usney> hello guys
• 174[02:40:48] <usney> zumba_addict how is it coming along?
• 175[02:41:58] <zumba_addict> hey usney, I got so busy with my website
• 176[02:42:01] <zumba_addict> I haven't started
• 177[02:42:10] <zumba_addict> but i've completed downloading it
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• 179[02:42:21] <zumba_addict> thank you fo asking
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• 187[02:58:31] <hesco> what channel would be a good place to resolve an /etc/ssh/sshd_config issue?
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• 201[03:14:30] <Gerowen> What is the nature of your problem hesco?
• 202[03:14:45] <Gerowen> Just ask, and if anybody here knows the answer they should get back to you.
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• 204[03:18:16] <hesco> Gerowen: /var/log/auth.log reports: Failed password for root from 192.168.51.111 port 53532 ssh2
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• 206[03:19:11] <hesco> And this file: /etc/ssh/sshd_config includes: AllowUsers hesco root@192.168.51.111
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• 209[03:19:30] <hesco> sshd has been restarted since that line was configured.
• 210[03:20:13] <Gerowen> Did you try to log in and get an incorrect password? Generally speaking I do not explicitly allow root to log into SSH directly, I allow myself, and then become root once I'm logged in for any tasks that require root privileges.
• 211[03:20:41] <Gerowen> Was it somebody else that tried to log in, or are you having issues logging in?
• 212[03:23:08] <hesco> 192.168.51.0/24 is a private network. I need root for some rsync activities.
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• 217[03:25:57] <rydare> root rsync? sounds dangerous
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• 219[03:27:51] <hesco> no, its really not. I understand the risks. I do not need a conversation about this architecture. what I need is some clue as to why this configuration is rejecting this connection.
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• 237[03:43:55] <Gerowen> Have you tried removing the "@192.168.51.111" from "AllowUsers" so that it's just "AllowUsers hesco root"?
• 238[03:44:17] <Gerowen> Also check further up the sshd_config file, there's a line that says something like "PermitRootLogin" that you may need to uncomment and modify.
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• 243[03:47:31] <hesco> Gerowen: Thanks mate, found this: 'PermitRootLogin without-password', changed value to yes, did the trick, will now switch it back. thanks again.
• 244[03:48:06] <Gerowen> hesco: np, glad it worked, :-)
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• 262[04:12:37] <Gerowen> Random question. I recently bought a 12TB drive and stuck it in my home server. Debian says it's 12TB, but my Windows machine which accesses it over SMB says it's 10.8 TB. Is Windows still counting a Terabyte as 1,024 kB like it used to be defined?
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• 264[04:14:04] <rant> gerowen what fs is on it?
• 265[04:14:18] <dvs> Gerowen, hopefully not 1024KB! ;-)
• 266[04:14:21] <Gerowen> I formatted it as ext4 and it still shows up in Debian as exactly 12.0 TB
• 267[04:14:22] <rant> and is it all one partition
• 268[04:14:29] <Gerowen> Yes, all one partition.
• 269[04:14:41] <Gerowen> I'm just curious, I guess I could have put this in offtopic since it's not really a problem per se.
• 270[04:14:53] <rant> yes but maybe samba doesnt report the reserved space
• 271[04:15:18] <rant> no this is a valid tech question
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• 273[04:15:33] <Gerowen> dvs: Whoops, :p
• 274[04:15:53] <rant> ext has reserved space...
• 275[04:16:04] <Gerowen> 1.2 TB of it though?
• 276[04:16:05] <rant> tune2fs -m
• 277[04:16:32] <rant> 5% is often default
• 278[04:17:04] <rant> you can change it with tune2fs -m
• 279[04:17:49] <Gerowen> It's not a huge deal, I was just wondering, I guess Windows is ignoring reserved space and Linux isn't, because I also notice that my 16GB usb sticks will show up as exactly 16.0 GB in Debian, but like 14.4 in Windows.
• 280[04:18:05] <rant> that may not be the cause but damba is userspace and reserbe is root only space it was first thing came to mind
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• 282[04:19:08] <rant> you can try tune2fs -m 0 /dev/foo and see
• 283[04:19:29] <rant> you can change the reserve at any time
• 284[04:20:24] <rant> and the reserve isnt really important on a disk if its only holding user data and isnt a system critical fs
• 285[04:21:09] <rant> idea is to prevent users from running out of space to point root cant login and function
• 286[04:22:22] <jelly> Gerowen: it's just a display issue with units. Compare df -h and df -H.
• 287[04:23:58] <jelly> rant: it also helps with fregmentation
• 288[04:24:58] <Gerowen> jelly: Ah ok, yeah check this out. replaced-url
• 289[04:25:17] <Gerowen> Shows up as two 11TB drives with -h and two 12TB drives with -H
• 290[04:28:40] <jelly> replaced-url
• 291[04:29:00] <jelly> 10% difference
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• 294[04:34:55] <Gerowen> jelly: That's what I'm thinking, Windows is measuring tebi, gibi, etc. instead of regular giga, tera, etc.
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• 296[04:36:43] <hanetzer> sounds about right.
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• 306[04:52:24] <mandeep> is there a way to see how old a package with apt show?
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• 313[04:58:45] <oterrivel> hello
• 314[04:58:47] <oterrivel> have a mounted ntfs partition dmask=0027 fmask=0137, how to make viable the execution of a particular file in it? (it's a data partition for regular end-user)
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• 330[05:28:17] <Gerowen> Is there a problem with any of the repos at ftp.debian.org or anything?
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• 333[05:28:42] <rydare> best practice is to use a mirror for your country
• 334[05:28:55] <rydare> can you not reach the server?
• 335[05:28:55] <Gerowen> I've been trying to use the net installer, in both graphical and text mode to set up a VM for the past half hour. Everything goes great, tasksel runs and I pick my software and then I eventually get "An installation step failed".
• 336[05:29:12] <Gerowen> It's whatever the default one for the US is, the one at the main top.
• 337[05:29:54] <Gerowen> It goes for a little while, I haven't seen it get to that point, but at some point in installing the options I select in tasksel (Gnome, Debian desktop environment and standard system utilities) it fails.
• 338[05:30:11] <rydare> hmm
• 339[05:30:23] <rydare> it *does* have an internet connection right?
• 340[05:30:27] <Gerowen> Yep
• 341[05:30:29] <rydare> i think you set that up earlier
• 342[05:31:06] <Gerowen> Yeah it does that on its own but I've been watching the indicator in the VM window and everything. It pulls in quite a lot of stuff, it downloaded over 1k packages last I looked at it before the error.
• 343[05:31:37] <rydare> is this buster alpha 3
• 344[05:31:53] <Gerowen> Nah it's just the Debian 9.5 stable ISO, the one you get when you click the button on debian.org
• 345[05:32:19] <rydare> hmm, could try one of the CDs/DVDs then?
• 346[05:32:35] <rydare> I don't know, i installed testing/buster from netinstall and everything worked flawlessly
• 347[05:32:47] <Gerowen> Will do, I'm going to try a different mirror first and if that doesn't work I'll try downloading the disc ISOs.
• 348[05:33:05] <Gerowen> Everything has always worked flawlessly for me in the past as well with stable.
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• 351[05:35:47] <Gerowen> yep, mirror was ftp.us.debian.org
• 352[05:35:59] <dvs> Gerowen, are you using a wireless connection?
• 353[05:36:15] <Gerowen> Negative
• 354[05:36:38] <Gerowen> I'm trying mirrors.kernel.org, I've never used anything but ftp.us.debian.org, but I figure it's worth a shot.
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• 359[05:39:35] <usney> how do I mount an encrypted drive manually?
• 360[05:39:57] <cmyers> depending on how it was encrypted, probably with luksOpen
• 361[05:40:07] <Gerowen> I've got VirtualBox capturing a video of the setup so that if it happens again, I can see if anything appears before the error.
• 362[05:40:26] <cmyers> replaced-url
• 363[05:40:31] <cmyers> usney ^^
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• 374[05:47:56] <usney> cmyers what do I do the passwords do not work
• 375[05:48:19] <usney> do you think it could be corrupted?
• 376[05:48:32] <usney> I use a password manager and I saved the password for that drive
• 377[05:49:38] * rydare buys yoru password manager company
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• 381[05:55:11] <Gerowen> dvs rydare I am an idiot.......VirtualBox defaulted to 8GB for the virtual hdd, I filled up the damned hard drive.
• 382[05:55:23] <rydare> you're welcome
• 383[05:55:28] <rydare> that'll be $49.95
• 384[05:55:34] <Gerowen> rofl
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• 388[06:01:55] <aaii> What is hotkey for run terminal in debian? (ctrl + alt t didnt work)
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• 392[06:05:00] <rydare> aaii: depends what DE you're using
• 393[06:05:10] <rydare> GNOME, KDE, LXQT, Xfce, etc
• 394[06:05:14] <aaii> xfce
• 395[06:05:16] <rydare> i'd check your settings -> shortcuts
• 396[06:05:25] <rydare> if there's no current one you can add one
• 397[06:05:33] <rydare> might be under keyboard in xfce
• 398[06:09:05] <aaii> rydare, Thanks :)
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• 445[06:55:01] <aaii> How i change my date in debian? I tried with date --set but didnt change
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• 448[06:56:20] <darxmurf> why don't you use NTP ?
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• 450[06:57:21] <aaii> I found a tool
• 451[06:57:25] <aaii> now
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• 455[07:00:07] <darxmurf> ntpdate
• 456[07:01:06] <darxmurf> then from root console type: ntpdate pool.ntp.org
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• 464[07:09:59] <usney> how do I list suggested packages for already installed apps?
• 465[07:11:58] <rydare> replaced-url
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• 518[08:18:14] <usney> what's the difference between --exclude= and --exclude-from= in rsync
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• 523[08:21:00] <rjsalts> usney: --exclude has a pattern for excluded files, exclude-from reads a file full of patterns to be excluded
• 524[08:21:34] <usney> which one do I use to exclude let's say just the downloads directory?
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• 527[08:23:30] <rjsalts> usney: e.g. rsync --exclude *.exe is the same as rsync --exclude-from=/tmp/foo where the contents of /tmp/foo is *.exe
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• 529[08:24:23] <rjsalts> usney: so if you have a bunch of patterns the --exclude-from= can make your command line more readable
• 530[08:24:42] <rjsalts> usney: but if you're just excluding one directory then just use --exclude and call it a day
• 531[08:25:13] <rjsalts> usney: --exclude=Downloads
• 532[08:25:17] <usney> yea I don't need to backup ~/Downloads
• 533[08:26:50] <usney> I only want to backup stuff that I either moved from downloads to a different folder or backup files that I solely created
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• 535[08:26:59] <usney> this gets rid of the bulk of the data
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• 541[08:30:10] <usney> how do I exclude mounted drives? rjsalts
• 542[08:30:32] <usney> --exclude=/media/* ?
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• 545[08:31:15] <usney> I am using rsync to backup my rootfs
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• 547[08:31:31] <rjsalts> usney: you could also use -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries
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• 550[08:31:49] <usney> cool thanks rjsalts
• 551[08:32:31] <usney> what about temporary files and cache how do you not backup that stuff?
• 552[08:32:37] <usney> you know the junk files
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• 562[08:45:49] <usney> rjsalts, ^^
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• 586[09:09:19] <usney> rjsalts how do I exclude junk files like the temporary or cache files?
• 587[09:09:47] <darxmurf> quick question about lvm, I have a PV on /dev/sda2, there is still 100Gb available on the disk, what's the best option to extend the PV size ?
• 588[09:10:08] <darxmurf> should I create a new partition and add it in the PV ?
• 589[09:11:05] <usney> I think you can expand it but I never done it before
• 590[09:11:21] <Habbie> if you can extend the partition, you can extend the PV
• 591[09:11:31] <Habbie> if you can only make a new partition, you can make another PV and add it to the same VG
• 592[09:11:39] <usney> well I did long time ago I think with dual boot windows and debian
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• 604[09:27:15] <usney> is there a bleachbit like program for the cli that deletes junk files?
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• 613[09:41:08] <darxmurf> but to extend the partition I have to kill it and recreate it isn't it ?
• 614[09:41:15] <darxmurf> starting from the same sector
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• 624[09:48:53] <aiduss> good morning
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• 628[09:52:48] <Habbie> darxmurf, with fdisk, yes - other tools may be slightly more helpful here
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• 633[09:57:20] <no_gravity> Sometimes I accidentally press a key combo that freezes my terminal/ssh/vim session.
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• 635[09:57:52] <no_gravity> It's something around the keys ctrl shift meta alt a s.
• 636[09:57:54] <no_gravity> Any ideas?
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• 638[09:58:12] <no_gravity> Oh, it's ctrl+s
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• 641[09:58:31] <no_gravity> What does it do?
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• 643[09:59:28] <aiduss> sorry i have no idea what are you talikn about :) im noob here and trying to write down my own gibberish question :D
• 644[09:59:42] <no_gravity> aiduss: Looking forward to read it.
• 645[10:00:37] <aiduss> well maybe sound weird but im really old hardcore windows user who has migrated his whole daily workflow towards linux some months ago
• 646[10:00:52] <no_gravity> I did the same. Decades ago :)
• 647[10:01:04] <aiduss> my daily work - 3D modeling animation n stuff
• 648[10:01:21] <aiduss> also i have switched from autodesk to blender :D
• 649[10:01:30] <aiduss> and god im happy i did that
• 650[10:02:21] <aiduss> sooo maybe not a good start for novice like me but i use fedora daily
• 651[10:02:31] <no_gravity> I'm going to play fortnite now.
• 652[10:02:40] <no_gravity> Have a quick question before I leave?
• 653[10:02:44] <aiduss> :D
• 654[10:03:40] <aiduss> it's not a quick question and not a quick answer :D i need help to choose debian or manjaro (don't ask why :D )
• 655[10:04:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1070
• 656[10:04:05] <no_gravity> Debian is cool because it's pretty much the basic distro.
• 657[10:04:13] <no_gravity> So you can get some qualified help.
• 658[10:04:20] <no_gravity> Manjaro - I don't know it.
• 659[10:04:40] <aiduss> well i guess so, the problem is that i need those nvidia drivers and use some of proprietary stuff
• 660[10:05:05] <no_gravity> Mint Mate is pretty awesome when it comes to 'Good looking distro that works out of the box'.
• 661[10:05:26] <aiduss> yeah - i know :) but i don't want mint :D
• 662[10:05:38] <no_gravity> Why not?
• 663[10:05:49] <aiduss> im not affraid to spend some time to set up my system
• 664[10:06:05] <no_gravity> Then it should not be a problem to install those nvidia drivers for Debian.
• 665[10:06:18] <aiduss> i don't like that mint is ubuntu based (dislike for no reason)
• 666[10:06:34] <no_gravity> Mint Mate has a classic desktop with a taskbar though.
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• 668[10:06:51] <aiduss> yeah, i was trying mint at the very beginning
• 669[10:07:10] <aiduss> but it reminded me too much windows at the moment :D
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• 671[10:07:37] <no_gravity> Ok, cu!
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• 673[10:07:42] <no_gravity> And good luck!
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• 675[10:07:48] <aiduss> ok ! ;)
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• 677[10:07:52] <aiduss> thnks
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• 679[10:09:05] <moussa> just my luck for the day
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• 682[10:09:21] <moussa> MC and sftp error (-31)
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• 684[10:09:51] <moussa> is a bug!
• 685[10:10:01] <SpeedyG> undocumented feature? :D
• 686[10:10:07] <moussa> hehehe
• 687[10:10:09] <moussa> true
• 688[10:10:23] <SpeedyG> been listening to security weekly a bit too much lately ^_^
• 689[10:10:42] <moussa> nothing is secure online
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• 692[10:11:12] <SpeedyG> shroedinger's security ;)
• 693[10:11:22] <moussa> sacrificing the goat once a year seems to help as much ...
• 694[10:11:34] <SpeedyG> guess goats make nice bbq
• 695[10:11:40] <SpeedyG> but we're going a bit offtopic now ^_^
• 696[10:11:50] <moussa> true
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• 698[10:12:22] <Habbie> SpeedyG, they do ;)
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• 701[10:14:16] <Gerowen> Any suggestions for getting a Corsair Glaive mouse to work properly? Lights up just fine, but doesn't actually work.
• 702[10:14:27] <Gerowen> Had to go steal one of the kids' generic mice for the time being, :p
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• 704[10:15:40] <SpeedyG> guess the lights function merely due to the fact that it gets power through usb
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• 707[10:17:24] <moussa> have you tried a different USB port ? or plug in the mouse while the pc reboot?
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• 710[10:20:38] <Gerowen> Yep, rebooted, different USB ports, everything.
• 711[10:21:18] <Gerowen> There's an error on startup that says something to the effect of how it can't find an interrupt for a USB HID device.
• 712[10:21:27] <Gerowen> And I've found several forum posts regarding Corsair mice.
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• 721[10:33:16] <moussa> maybe the mouse is dead?
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• 725[10:35:07] <Gerowen> Nah cause' when I reboot into Windows it's fine.
• 726[10:35:35] <muAdmDev> I got a simple cronjob which is just "touching" a file. every once in a while it is not run. so far no clue. any hints on where to look? no errors in the logs so far. the desired cronjob is just not listed in the logs when it is not run .(
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• 729[10:39:27] <usney> linux
• 730[10:39:29] <usney> bsd
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• 733[10:46:16] <Gerowen> Also just noticed my HDMI audio isn't working. It shows up, and if I switch the audio to my USB headset it works, just not through the HDMI cable.
• 734[10:47:12] <jelly> muAdmDev: enable cron.log in /etc/rsyslog.conf, reload the rsyslog service, see if the job gets started at all (it probably does)
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• 738[10:49:49] <kaminota> For that one, make sure the correct output port is selected. (In Pulse Audio Volume Control, name might be different in different applications.)
• 739[10:51:19] <kaminota> I think it's called output profile in the sound settings for Cinnamon as an example.
• 740[10:53:53] <muAdmDev> jelly: thx. will do so
• 741[10:55:16] <anzipex> I builded my own deb packages. How to install local deb package with dependences? 'apt-get -f install' didn't work, because it's not from repository
• 742[10:55:56] <muAdmDev> jelly: in /var/log/cron.log "/usr/bin/touch /etc/tara.backup.ok" is run. but sometimes, like last night, it's jus not run
• 743[10:55:56] <kaminota> apt install /path/to/file
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• 745[10:57:09] <jelly> muAdmDev: is there no entry in /var/log/cron.log for that time?
• 746[10:57:37] <kaminota> anzipex, apt handles installing from local deb packages, apt-get doesn't, you would have to used dpkg and apt-get. (Just use apt)
• 747[10:57:40] <Gerowen> kaminota: Got it from on-board audio, so I'll live with that. I seem to remember having a similar issue with HDMI audio on Debian 8 last time I tried it.
• 748[10:57:43] <moussa> Gerowen, do you have bluez pkg installed by any chance?
• 749[10:58:04] <muAdmDev> jelly: yes, there just no entry for 05:44:01.
• 750[10:58:26] <Gerowen> moussa: I haven't manually installed it, what does it do?
• 751[10:58:46] <moussa> bluetooth stuff
• 752[10:58:59] <Gerowen> I do have it installed, so it must have come with the standard system utilities.
• 753[10:59:17] <Gerowen> The mouse is wired though.
• 754[11:00:20] <moussa> remove and try again?
• 755[11:00:36] <kaminota> Gerowen, What graphics card are you using?
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• 759[11:01:23] <anzipex> kaminota, so if i need to install my own 'package-name-0.1-1.deb' i just need to write 'apt install -f package-name-0.1-1.deb' ?
• 760[11:01:42] <kaminota> no -f
• 761[11:01:50] <Gerowen> kaminota: Radeon RX 480
• 762[11:02:11] <Gerowen> kaminota: And I do have the linux-firmware-amd-graphics or whatever it's called installed. Did that to get GPU acceleration.
• 763[11:02:22] <anzipex> kaminota, 'apt install package-name-0.1-1.deb' ?
• 764[11:02:43] <Gerowen> anzipex: apt-get install packagename will do things from the repos.
• 765[11:02:50] <Gerowen> dpkg -i filename.deb for a deb file you download.
• 766[11:02:51] * dpkg removes a liver from gerowen and replaces it with filename.deb for a deb file you download.
• 767[11:03:00] <Gerowen> rofl
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• 770[11:03:33] <Gerowen> gdebi is a nice graphical deb installer if you like as well, just associate .deb files with it and you can just double click and click install.
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• 773[11:04:32] <kaminota> Nope, if you were to say wanting to install nano from a local deb you can just use: sudo apt install ./nano_2.7.4-1_amd64.deb
• 774[11:05:12] <kaminota> (Just double checked.)
• 775[11:07:20] <anzipex> Gerowen, gdebi has GUI. I can't install it, because there is no X Window System (or how it called)
• 776[11:07:54] <anzipex> And i don't have repo on device
• 777[11:09:02] <anzipex> Just need to install all my local deb packages. Some of them have dependences itself, like super.deb depends on first.deb and second.deb
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• 780[11:10:03] <anzipex> If i install super.deb it fails, because first.deb and second.deb is not installed on that device
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• 787[11:11:59] <moussa> Gerowen, how did you go?
• 788[11:12:20] <kaminota> You would need to install first.deb and second.deb first.
• 789[11:14:47] <anzipex> kaminota, so i searched something that automates that install
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• 791[11:16:05] <kaminota> Q: What are you trying to install exactly anyway?
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• 793[11:16:48] <Gerowen> moussa: I found a topic online where there are apparently fixes to the Linux kernel itself for HID devices that fix Corsair mice and keyboards.
• 794[11:16:57] <Gerowen> So I might pull the updated kernel from backports and see if that fixes it.
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• 796[11:17:39] <Gerowen> This installation is just on an old (and SLLOOOOOW) 5400 RPM laptop drive I had laying around. I haven't used Linux on the desktop in a while and wanted to see if I could get anything working before I bothered buying another SSD to stick in here for Debian.
• 797[11:17:42] <moussa> ok, good luck
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• 799[11:18:30] <moussa> well that what i have done to my Eeepc
• 800[11:18:49] <moussa> took the hd out and SSd in
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• 804[11:19:18] <moussa> 120GB SSD here is AUD$38 ATM
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• 806[11:20:24] <Gerowen> If I can get everything working reasonably well, what I'll order an SSD, then do a clean install on that and migrate all of my data from my Windows drive over here, and then only use the Windows drive for games that won't run in Linux.
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• 808[11:20:36] <usney> I got an 120gb ssd on amazon for 25 bucks
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• 810[11:21:09] <usney> catsup is back
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• 812[11:21:13] <usney> hey man
• 813[11:21:16] <usney> what is up?
• 814[11:21:30] <moussa> AUD$ = US$0.70 ATM
• 815[11:21:43] <moussa> so is about right :-)(
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• 817[11:22:25] <kaminota> Gerowen, Going back to your hdmi issue, install pavucontrol and tell me how Output Devices > (Your Card) > Ports looks.
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• 820[11:23:29] <kaminota> Have a 290X and have to do this.
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• 823[11:25:17] <Gerowen> Under "HDA ATI HDMI Digital Stereo (HDMI)" I have port "HDMI / DisplayPort (plugged in)"
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• 825[11:25:48] <Gerowen> But when I try actually using it, no sound.
• 826[11:27:28] <kaminota> Make sure it isn't muted, check that it is the default, and under playback make sure it is the one selected. If not, try the others, that does happen. . .
• 827[11:28:07] <kaminota> Playback> Application > Selected I should say.
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• 829[11:29:39] <kaminota> Oh man I think I told you wrong, I mean Configuration, not output for checking the profile (not port)
• 830[11:30:21] <Gerowen> It is selected, under "Playback" it's showing that Firefox (got Pandora playing) is outputting audio to the HDMI device, even has the little signal bar jumping up and down, but nothing actually coming from speakers.
• 831[11:30:41] <anzipex> kaminota, A: I'm trying to install my own builded deb packages
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• 833[11:31:11] <Gerowen> I'll re-test after the kernel updates and such, :-)
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• 835[11:33:22] <kaminota> Good luck with your kernel adventures.
• 836[11:33:45] <Gerowen> I'm just pulling whatever is in backports with apt, I'm not compiling anything.
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• 848[11:47:25] <Gerowen> Corsair Glaive mouse is working perfectly fine after upgrading the kernel from stretch-backports.
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• 850[11:48:56] <Gerowen> It fixed my HDMI audio issue as well.
• 851[11:49:21] <Gerowen> The HDMI audio is now showing up as "HDMI / DisplayPort 4 - Ellesmere [Radeon RX 580]"
• 852[11:49:26] <moussa> wow! a bonus finally :-)
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• 854[11:50:41] <anzipex> How can i recursively remove all packages that have name 'wise-*'?
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• 862[11:55:47] <JustASlacker> apt remove wise-* :)
• 863[11:55:55] <JustASlacker> actually, no idea if that would work
• 864[11:55:57] <SuExeC> I have created a .deb of the oracle java jre package. Transferring to a LAN system that doesn't have internet access, I get dependency problems. Is there any way to "download all deps" and bundle them with the JRE deb I created?
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• 866[11:56:56] <anzipex> JustASlacker, thanks :)
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• 875[12:05:47] <shtrb> anyeone with plasma and and an HDMI can confirm a bug ? if you do screen mirroring (same output one over the other) does you HDMI get cropped on the screen edges ?
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• 888[12:15:52] <tommaso> Hi all, do you know where I can find the .config used to compile Linux in Debian?
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• 890[12:17:12] <tommaso> never mind, I think it's here: replaced-url
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• 893[12:22:42] <aiduss> what version of kde has debian 9.5?
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• 896[12:23:06] <shtrb> tommaso, you can copy the one you are running
• 897[12:23:23] <tommaso> shtrb: from ?
• 898[12:23:38] <aiduss> i guess ill go with debian just want to use more recent desktop instead of very outdated :)
• 899[12:24:12] <shtrb> tommaso, config file in /boot
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• 915[12:37:45] <zathraz> I would like to enableGPU passthrough on KVM/QEMU on an i5-7200 running stretch. I tried to enable iomnu but it does not show up. Any hints appreciated.
• 916[12:38:29] <HicksD> zathraz: replaced-url
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• 918[12:40:04] <zathraz> from that link: As with most setups you need two graphics cards although one can be (and in my case is) the on-board intel iGPU.
• 919[12:40:18] <zathraz> my laptop only has the iGPU
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• 921[12:41:48] <HicksD> if you only have one gfx card, I don't think you can pass that through even if you're running headless atm
• 922[12:42:13] <HicksD> at least not an integrated, I recall something about that with vfio anyway and a post about it being worked on.
• 923[12:42:18] <zathraz> hmm. I was afraid of that. It makes sense.
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• 925[12:42:34] <shtrb> tommaso, /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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• 927[12:42:59] <zathraz> my goal is to try to get LibreElec/Kodi working in a vm for test purposes
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• 929[12:43:13] <zathraz> it boots but cannot find a gpu
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• 934[12:44:03] <zathraz> which is a known issue which can be resolved with vmware. I was hoping to tweak it to run on kvm
• 935[12:44:10] <HicksD> might be easier to boot off usb with a live version, not sure about kodi but a few of the others support it I think for running on PIs
• 936[12:45:29] <zathraz> I wan to take screenshots of kodi for documenting purposes without interfering with the kodi install on a Pi.
• 937[12:45:46] <zathraz> as I do not have a second Pi I wanted to use a VM
• 938[12:46:08] <shtrb> !kodi
• 939[12:46:09] <dpkg> XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v17 is available in Stretch. replaced-url
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• 941[12:46:35] <HicksD> shtrb: the topic wasn't about kodi it was about gpu passthrough on debian which is imo relevant to here.
• 942[12:46:46] <zathraz> ty
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• 944[12:47:20] <shtrb> are you really running debian on that pi ?
• 945[12:47:42] <BCMM> zathraz: uh, are you asking to pass-through your intel GPU to an emulated ARM machine?
• 946[12:47:43] <zathraz> no, and the question is not about the Pi
• 947[12:48:14] <HicksD> he's running debian on a laptop and wanted to pass through a gpu to a VM that was going to run kodi.
• 948[12:48:17] <BCMM> zathraz: for that matter, are you trying to run an ARM distro using KVM on an x86 machine?
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• 950[12:48:29] <zathraz> nope, LibreElec has ARM and x86 versions. So I want to run the x86 in KVM using GPU passthrough
• 951[12:48:37] <BCMM> ah, ok
• 952[12:48:46] <zathraz> but only have the i5 as gpu
• 953[12:49:07] <zathraz> *x86 version
• 954[12:49:25] <HicksD> no real option for adding 2nd gfx either with a laptop, unless it works with external gfx but those are silly prices.
• 955[12:50:09] <BCMM> zathraz: install libreelec on a USB stick and reboot from that?
• 956[12:50:32] <zathraz> yep, it is only for some testing and documenting. Nothing permanent/substantial
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• 958[12:51:24] <zathraz> BCMM, I need to make screenshots. Cannot do that from the OS itself and store it externally afaik
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• 960[12:51:56] <BCMM> zathraz: there's no way to take screenshots, or no way to get them out of the system?
• 961[12:53:00] <zathraz> screenshots, probably a mount can be added to store
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• 964[12:54:04] <BCMM> would kodi work with something like `-vga vmware`? not fast enough to actually *use*, but enough to take screenshots?
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• 966[12:54:41] <zathraz> hmm. I just noticed a screenshot can actually be makde
• 967[12:54:46] <zathraz> *made
• 968[12:55:28] <zathraz> thanks
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• 970[12:56:16] <zathraz> any chance sysops of #debian @ircnet are hanging around here?
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• 978[13:03:55] <gkgk> hi
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• 983[13:09:21] <gkgk> hi
• 984[13:09:28] <xDR1TeK> hi
• 985[13:11:02] <jelly> zathraz: ircnet still exists?
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• 991[13:14:24] <gkgk> NAMES
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• 1029[13:44:28] <muAdmDev> jelly: Any idea why a cronjob might not run on some days? couldn't find errors in the logs .(
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• 1031[13:48:57] <Habbie> muAdmDev, do you see the job running in the logs on the days it does work?
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• 1037[13:52:13] <muAdmDev> Habbie: it is in cron.log most of the time, the day it is not run it is not in the cron.log. just no entry at the time specified. i'll increase the cron log level now
• 1038[13:52:43] <Habbie> muAdmDev, can we see the crontab line?
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• 1040[13:54:26] <muAdmDev> Habbie: 44 5 * * * /usr/bin/touch /etc/tara.backup.ok
• 1041[13:54:47] <Habbie> muAdmDev, and your machine was not down at that time on the bad days?
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• 1045[13:56:55] <muAdmDev> Habbie: no, also checked for common cron mistakes. further it's not a script or something with env dependencies...
• 1046[13:57:08] <muAdmDev> Habbie: this one is really spooky :D
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• 1057[14:07:23] <jelly> muAdmDev, is the system up and running 24/7 ?
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• 1061[14:07:49] <jelly> muAdmDev, in other words, can time skip 05:44:00 - 05:44:59 completely?
• 1062[14:07:55] <Habbie> muAdmDev, wild guess, do you have any -other- cron tasks that might affect the clock?
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• 1065[14:09:13] <jelly> there are crazy backup schemes that suspend a VM for like ten minutes, make a cold copy, and then resume the VM
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• 1067[14:09:54] <Habbie> one interesting debugging approach might be to set up a cronjob on * * * * *
• 1068[14:09:57] <Habbie> and see if that shows gaps
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• 1077[14:18:51] <jelly> muAdmDev, so figure out whether this is a physical machine or a (fully virtualized or paravirtualized) VM or a (container-based) VPS and where it gets its time from
• 1078[14:22:41] <muAdmDev> jelly: physical system, up 24/7
• 1079[14:22:54] <muAdmDev> Habbie: will check if time might be affected
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• 1081[14:24:34] <muAdmDev> jelly: there is just an ntpd running. but clock seems to be always in sync
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• 1093[14:42:13] <dustfinger> Hi, I have debian runningn in a docker container. getent group usb tells me that there is no usb group. Is it safe for me to just add the usb group, or is there a dependency I should be installing?
• 1094[14:42:38] <dustfinger> where do I find a list of system allocated gids and there corresponding names?
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• 1101[14:46:29] <at0m> dustfinger: replaced-url
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• 1107[14:49:07] <dustfinger> at0m: Thanks. I guess debian does not actually have a usb group then.
• 1108[14:49:20] <dustfinger> at0m: it seems to use the floppy group for that purpose.
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• 1111[14:52:21] <dustfinger> What if I would like to know what gid 85 is reserved for on debian? How would I find that out?
• 1112[14:53:01] <at0m> dustfinger: gids apart from the first couple are not reserved, ie. they get a number as they are added
• 1113[14:53:44] <at0m> oh, seems that's only for gids >100
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• 1119[14:57:34] <at0m> both replaced-url
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• 1122[14:59:28] <at0m> dustfinger: got these via replaced-url
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• 1128[15:04:38] <nicu_> Hi, play with me in HoldingNuts (poker)...
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• 1132[15:06:09] <at0m> Nicu`: better sasl so you don't spam your IP before spamming poker :p
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• 1137[15:10:55] <pclover> So i seem to be having some performance issues with vmxnet3 nic with IPv6
• 1138[15:10:58] <pclover> IPv4 seems fine
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• 1143[15:12:19] <dustfinger> at0m: Thanks, that was informative.
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• 1192[16:08:39] <|subz3r0|> hi folks
• 1193[16:10:01] <|subz3r0|> I want to run postfix as mailserver for my home subnet. like for receiving status emails of fail2ban instances and so on. What should I use for this goal within the configuration via dpkg-reconfigure? Internet-Site, Internet with Smarthost, Satelite System or only local?
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• 1202[16:20:33] <|subz3r0|> anyone? :)
• 1203[16:20:43] <petn-randall> !hurrz
• 1204[16:20:45] <petn-randall> !hurry
• 1205[16:21:05] * petn-randall pokes dpkg.
• 1206[16:21:10] <petn-randall> !hurry
• 1207[16:21:10] <dpkg> i guess hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
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• 1209[16:22:42] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: I'm fairly sure that you can't run a public mail server on a home uplink. Mostly because of the dynamic IP address, that most ISPs block 25/tcp, and all home network subnets are on DNSBL.
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• 1211[16:23:56] <|subz3r0|> petn-randall: that was not the question?
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• 1214[16:24:24] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: Then you might need to clarify the question if you think that the issues above don't apply.
• 1215[16:24:53] <|subz3r0|> petn-randall: What was not clear with my question?
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• 1218[16:26:25] <|subz3r0|> petn-randall: the mailserver should be used only for the local subnet. so there is no need for a static ip. Actually I dont get the point with ISP, port 25 etc..
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• 1221[16:26:41] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: No really. Where do the mails come from? Where do you want the mails to go? How do you want to retrieve the mails?
• 1222[16:27:06] <|subz3r0|> from machines in the local subnet? like explained in the initial question?
• 1223[16:27:09] <|subz3r0|> uhm?
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• 1226[16:27:47] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: You still need the MX record or relayhost to point something that ends up being your mailserver. So either DNS records that dynamically update, or fixed IP addresses.
• 1227[16:27:52] <pclover> as petn-randall running a mail server on a home iSP is going to have serious issues.
• 1228[16:27:58] <pclover> You maybe can get away with it on business class service
• 1229[16:28:17] <pclover> but often home IP ranges will get put on blacklists as well
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• 1237[16:29:54] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: In that case, any of the 4 presets do not apply to you, and you need to configure postfix manually.
• 1238[16:30:24] <|subz3r0|> petn-randall: okay. let me explain it detail. Mailserver will have 10.125.125.50/8. machines within the /8 subnet should be able to send emails via ssmtp or some other function for status emails about their health and so on (fail2ban logs, firewall logs, smartmontools, backup status emails, etc..) like Server X with 10.150.150.254 should be able to send status emails to the webserver.
• 1239[16:31:20] <|subz3r0|> those emails will be read on the mailserver itself via mail on the cli, or thunderbird, or....
• 1240[16:32:07] <pclover> So this is not going to be internet facing?
• 1241[16:32:26] <|subz3r0|> not at all
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• 1243[16:32:42] <petn-randall> In that case pick "Leave unconfigured" because none of those presets apply to you.
• 1244[16:32:56] <pclover> Also can i suggest using a smaller subnet?
• 1245[16:33:00] <|subz3r0|> this is why i asked what i should use for the initial configuration via dpkg-reconfigure "Internet-Site, Internet with Smarthost, Satelite System or only local
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• 1247[16:33:11] <pclover> using a /8 is a bit silly and leave no room to subnet down the road without having to re-do stuff
• 1248[16:33:12] <|subz3r0|> this is why i asked what i should use for the initial configuration via dpkg-reconfigure "Internet-Site, Internet with Smarthost, Satelite System or only local"
• 1249[16:33:22] <|subz3r0|> whoopsy... sorry
• 1250[16:34:10] <|subz3r0|> because when I set it up for example with "only local" the postix service is listeing only on 127.0.0.0:25 which renders it useless for receiving mails from the own subnet
• 1251[16:34:14] <pclover> well i mean it does with another RFC1918 ranges but i find it a bit stilly to start with a /8 off the bat. Just me.
• 1252[16:34:35] <|subz3r0|> pclover: does it matter if its /8-30? :)
• 1253[16:35:09] <pclover> it doesn't but if you want to subnet down the road with 10.0.0.0/8 you wont be able to unless you re-configure and re-do all your IPs
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• 1255[16:35:41] <petn-randall> Personally, I'd also just start with a /24, that way you can still partition your network if you ever need to.
• 1256[16:35:48] <|subz3r0|> pclover: i would really appreciate help on the topic, and not on network topics. I know exactly what im doing with the subnet
• 1257[16:36:06] <petn-randall> Fine by me.
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• 1259[16:39:11] <jelly> |subz3r0|: if you have control of DNS resolution you can start with an "internet host", and will need to further configure a blackhole for destination domains not under your control (ie. those that would get delivered somewhere else, on the public internet)
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• 1261[16:39:50] <jelly> |subz3r0|: but really all those predefs change is like 5-6 lines in /etc/postfix/main.cf
• 1262[16:40:04] <jelly> and one line in /etc/mailname unless configured already
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• 1266[16:44:32] <jelly> |subz3r0|: or start with only local, and the listener can be fixed by changing all_interfaces. If you use SMTP AUTH for sending from client systems and apps, "mynetworks" can be left unchanged (from just ipv4 qnd ipv6 localnet).
• 1267[16:45:38] <|subz3r0|> jelly: just want to receive emails to e.g root@localdomain.local from other hosts (like fail2ban status mails) nothin else. so even no auth is needed
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• 1269[16:47:38] <jelly> |subz3r0|: auth is needed if you want to differentiate various apps coming from a single source ip
• 1270[16:48:09] <usney> how do I do a smart hard drive test from the cli?
• 1271[16:48:23] <|subz3r0|> smartctl -a /dev/sdX
• 1272[16:48:30] <usney> thanks
• 1273[16:48:31] <|subz3r0|> @usney
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• 1275[16:48:33] <|subz3r0|> yq
• 1276[16:48:33] <jelly> usney: smartctl command from smartmontools package has a -t option, read the manual
• 1277[16:48:35] <|subz3r0|> yw
• 1278[16:48:45] <jelly> -a does not do any tests, |subz3r0|
• 1279[16:49:50] <|subz3r0|> it just reads the values, yep
• 1280[16:49:55] <jelly> it's used to show current values, before or after or during the test
• 1281[16:51:08] <|subz3r0|> jelly: so you mean different accounts for different apps? to see the difference where its coming from?
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• 1283[16:51:19] <jelly> |subz3r0|: yes. Also avoid .local, avahi/mdns uses that. If you own a domain visible on the internets, use a subdomain of that.
• 1284[16:51:31] <|subz3r0|> i dont use crappy avahi ;)
• 1285[16:51:33] <|subz3r0|> its horrible
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• 1287[16:51:52] <jelly> eg. if I own jelly.systems, I might use lan.jelly.systems for an internal network
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• 1289[16:52:20] <petn-randall> |subz3r0|: You might not, but many other OSes do.
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• 1291[16:52:44] <jelly> default installations of OSX and many Linux distros including Debian do
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• 1293[16:53:28] <|subz3r0|> yeah. i just remove it or try to do minimal installation
• 1294[16:53:40] <|subz3r0|> i dont like this overhead
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• 1297[16:54:12] <|subz3r0|> especially since this zero conf sh** is not very secure
• 1298[16:54:37] <|subz3r0|> I don't get the point why it's preinstalled on many distros
• 1299[16:54:37] <jelly> do you care about security?
• 1300[16:54:47] <|subz3r0|> jelly: indeed i do
• 1301[16:55:13] <jelly> that's one more reason not to use mynetworks
• 1302[16:55:30] <jelly> and one more reason to only allow submission with auth
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• 1306[16:57:13] <|subz3r0|> jelly: what should i use then when not using mynetworks?
• 1307[16:57:29] <|subz3r0|> restrict the access to the mta via iptables or what? :)
• 1308[16:57:33] <jelly> smtp auth.
• 1309[16:58:03] <jelly> in fact, why not go read replaced-url
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• 1315[17:02:08] <jelly> those first five questions ought to be enough for a very simple but working setup (albeit without smtp auth)
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• 1320[17:06:38] <holms> Should *.localhost subdomain be resolve out of the box in debian? without adding anything to /etc/localhost?
• 1321[17:07:15] <Ool> is not in /etc/hosts ?
• 1322[17:07:21] <petn-randall> holms: Do you mean /etc/hosts?
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• 1324[17:07:31] <petn-randall> /etc/localhost is not a Debian config file.
• 1325[17:07:41] <jelly> holms: one woulod think the name would suggest "hell no"?
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• 1336[17:19:43] <holms> yeah i mean /etc/hosts sorry :D
• 1337[17:20:11] <holms> and somehow in chrome i'm able to access traefik.docker.localhost, but from curl i can't, also as from firefox
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• 1340[17:20:30] <holms> according to traefik support, it's my os doesn't resolve .localhost out of the box
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• 1343[17:21:03] <jelly> holms: do note that .localhost and .docker.localhost are two different domains
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• 1345[17:21:17] <holms> hmm
• 1346[17:22:36] <jelly> with that in mind, containers setups like docker often come with a dnsmasq that installs itself in /etc/resolv.conf and forwards queries for domains under docker's control
• 1347[17:23:45] <jelly> holms: which debian release is this, how did you install docker, is there a dnsmasq process running, what's in /etc/resolv.conf?
• 1348[17:24:20] <holms> oh that actually can be an issue
• 1349[17:24:30] <holms> locked resolv.conf
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• 1351[17:25:32] <holms> uname: Linux debian 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1353[17:25:52] <holms> installed docker from their manual, also as my user added to docker group
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• 1356[17:26:14] <holms> dnsmasq is not running
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• 1358[17:26:35] <holms> and i've just unlocked /etc/resolv.conf and restarted docker
• 1359[17:26:53] <jelly> what does "unlocked" mean, precisely?
• 1360[17:27:24] <holms> chattr command
• 1361[17:27:51] <jelly> who knows what else you're missing, reboot
• 1362[17:28:22] <holms> oh yeah \o/
• 1363[17:28:24] <holms> holms@debian ~/D/c/l/app-devops> curl traefik.docker.localhost
• 1364[17:28:26] <holms> <a href="/dashboard/">Found</a>.
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• 1366[17:28:50] <holms> jelly: thank you :) i've completely forgot about my locked resolv.conf, just at home dns router gives very badly behaving DNS
• 1367[17:29:08] <jelly> !override dns
• 1368[17:29:08] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
• 1369[17:29:53] <holms> thanks :)
• 1370[17:30:13] <jelly> wow that's devoid of actual tech steps now, sorry
• 1371[17:31:49] <jelly> you're welcome!
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• 1373[17:32:05] <pclover> so does docker allow you assign static IPs to containers?
• 1374[17:32:12] <pclover> last i looked awhile ago the answer was no
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• 1376[17:33:02] <holms> static ip is assigned to your eth interface :) why you want docker to do that?
• 1377[17:33:11] <holms> it opens ports, and that's it.
• 1378[17:33:30] <jelly> maybe I have a zillion static IPs at command
• 1379[17:33:59] <pclover> so what happens if you run two docker containers that both run a different web application on port 80
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• 1386[17:36:33] <holms> pclover: you don't want to expose two 80 at same time :)
• 1387[17:36:47] <holms> you want reverse proxy container which will route everything where needed
• 1388[17:37:26] <holms> in docker cluster i have traefik reverse proxy which route 443 to whatever container you want, and vhosts are defined in docker-compose.yml :)
• 1389[17:38:02] <holms> replaced-url
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• 1392[17:38:47] <pclover> but anyhow it looks possible now
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• 1395[17:39:33] <holms> before traefik existed it was a real pain.. having nginx container which needs to be restarted on each vhost addition..
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• 1397[17:40:15] <pclover> i haven't used docker much but it seems similar to OpenVZ
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• 1400[17:41:37] <jelly> all container management solutions smell the same
• 1401[17:41:42] <pclover> they don't
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• 1406[17:45:58] <holms> without orchestration tools they do suck :)
• 1407[17:46:09] <holms> but having docker-compose and kubernetes or docker swarm makes you life a bliss
• 1408[17:46:17] <pclover> i wonder how much overhead Docker saves vs something like xen-pv
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• 1410[17:46:51] <pclover> tho i guess that isn't hte idea of docker
• 1411[17:47:07] <holms> in my case we have docker swarm for now, with terraform and ansible scripts, which automates all DNS, letsencrypt challenges, load balancers configs.. and i'm able to setup our 20 microservices in aws and digital ocean and azure
• 1412[17:47:24] <holms> pclover: if you care about overhead then use coreos :) or mesos
• 1413[17:47:52] <holms> docker has it's own distro for this, where just agent runs and nothing else in there.. so no overhead :)
• 1414[17:48:12] <pclover> it's a game of pros and cons i guess
• 1415[17:48:28] <holms> container-as-a-service - CAAS :) whole DC only containers with host os where there are no processes running at all except agent and containers itself
• 1416[17:48:46] <holms> if you don't have moving parts all this zoo will harden your life indeed
• 1417[17:49:27] <holms> but with all this zoo 15 devs works indepedently, everything rolls out to prod independently without dying
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• 1420[17:50:59] <jelly> holms: weird, nginx itself should not need to be restarted for a vhost addition
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• 1422[17:51:28] <holms> jelly: you need to reload it no? :)
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• 1424[17:51:40] <holms> or it's reloading once config was modified?
• 1425[17:51:44] <holms> i don't recall such feature
• 1426[17:51:46] <pclover> well a reload and restart are very difficult
• 1427[17:51:57] <pclover> er
• 1428[17:52:00] <holms> well i can't have any manual steps in this case
• 1429[17:52:02] <pclover> different i can't type this morning
• 1430[17:52:32] <holms> traefik just basically queries docker api once in a while, and one you add new service with or change some domain, it will notice instantly
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• 1433[17:53:22] <holms> + storing vhost in service labels is lot more confy than storing them in config.
• 1434[17:53:24] <jelly> $DEITY forbid they used haproxy or nginx, when they can NIH a new component!
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• 1474[18:16:00] <rafalcpp> is there some system wide limit of max packets per second or anything?
• 1475[18:16:18] <rafalcpp> can't get the expected 20 Gbps from no dual-port 10 Gbps card, on various computers
• 1476[18:16:38] <rafalcpp> always tops 1t 12-13 Gbps
• 1477[18:16:43] <rafalcpp> always tops at 12-13 Gbps
• 1478[18:16:52] <jelly> rafalcpp: how many parallel streams?
• 1479[18:17:15] <rafalcpp> jelly: what do you mean?
• 1480[18:17:34] <jelly> how many connections are you running in parallel
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• 1482[18:17:46] <rafalcpp> 2 or more processes (doesn't matter above 2) send to IP of target connected through SPF1, 2 (or more) to IP via SPF2
• 1483[18:17:49] <jelly> what _exactly_ are you testing and how
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• 1485[18:18:05] <rafalcpp> jelly: all methods, during months of testing, give same top limit
• 1486[18:18:18] <rafalcpp> iperf tcp, iperf udp, kernel package generator, custom programs, etc
• 1487[18:18:28] <rafalcpp> *packet
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• 1489[18:19:08] <pclover> what is the end goal for this machine?
• 1490[18:19:21] <rafalcpp> irq ballancing on and off, pinning NIC irqs to certain cores or not, pinning test programs to cores or not, one NIC model, other NIC model, debian 9, debian 10, one PC, one server, always same result
• 1491[18:19:25] <rafalcpp> CPU never gets saturated
• 1492[18:19:28] <jelly> rafalcpp: I've done 8Gbps thru a single line of a 2P card with 4 iperf3 streams and some modest tuning
• 1493[18:19:44] <rafalcpp> pclover: copy 18-20 Gbps of data (UDP, TCP or raw ETH, doesn't matter) from it to other machine
• 1494[18:20:06] <jelly> connecting 2 server machines, no switch?
• 1495[18:20:14] <rafalcpp> jelly: it gets 9.97 Gbps per one module. but 2 * 6.2-6.5 (depending on settings) when both are used at once
• 1496[18:20:25] <rafalcpp> jelly: no switch. identical NICs on the other end
• 1497[18:20:52] <rafalcpp> no part of system seems to be visible saturated with anything
• 1498[18:21:07] <jelly> which NIC chip vendor?
• 1499[18:21:11] <rafalcpp> card is confirmed (LnkSta in lspci -vvv) to work as width x8 5 Gtransfer/s
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• 1501[18:21:42] <rafalcpp> jelly: both netxen 3030 and intel X520 hit almost identical limitation, on both 8-core PC and 48-core Xenon server
• 1502[18:22:29] <jelly> rafalcpp: did you try a different OS?
• 1503[18:22:41] <jelly> a *BSD or Windows?
• 1504[18:22:49] <rafalcpp> jelly: not too much yet. On windows nx3030 sucked totall
• 1505[18:23:02] <jelly> I'd ask in ##networking
• 1506[18:23:12] <rafalcpp> jelly: tried, no one seems to know
• 1507[18:23:17] <rafalcpp> but is there some inherent limit somewhere in linux/debian?
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• 1509[18:24:04] <jelly> not that I know of
• 1510[18:24:23] <jelly> how large are your packets
• 1511[18:24:36] <pclover> have you tested something like iperf
• 1512[18:24:47] <pclover> just to see or how are you testing
• 1513[18:24:51] <rafalcpp> jelly: MTu is set properly to 9000, udp datagrams are 8972
• 1514[18:25:15] <jelly> rafalcpp: and what happens if you go back to 1500
• 1515[18:25:16] <rafalcpp> pclover: yeap run tons of test, including iperf, custom programs, kernel packet gen
• 1516[18:25:28] <rafalcpp> jelly: much slower then, around afair 3-4 Gbps
• 1517[18:25:34] <jelly> something's wrong
• 1518[18:25:37] <jelly> :-)
• 1519[18:25:49] <rafalcpp> 5800 - 6000 on MTU 1500
• 1520[18:26:16] <rafalcpp> jelly: hm? lower bandwidth with smaller MTU is expected isn't it? too many packets/second then
• 1521[18:26:32] <rafalcpp> wasn't jumboframe invented for that reason
• 1522[18:26:34] <jelly> 3-4Gbps is too low for a modern system.
• 1523[18:27:27] <jelly> I get that on a single core VMware VM without tuning anything
• 1524[18:27:30] <pclover> how are you conncted via a Direct attached cable or?
• 1525[18:27:34] <rafalcpp> pclover: lclc
• 1526[18:28:15] <jelly> and multimode shortrange SFP+ ? Well you did say you got 9.97Gbps on a single link
• 1527[18:28:46] <rafalcpp> jelly: it is SPF FTLX8571D3BCV-IT
• 1528[18:28:51] <rafalcpp> SPF+
• 1529[18:29:26] <rafalcpp> yeap, 9.97 when using just one of modules at once, so system/mobo seems to be invisibly choking on something
• 1530[18:30:07] <pclover> there is also QFSP+ for a single stream but that is much more costly
• 1531[18:30:19] <pclover> QSFP+
• 1532[18:31:50] <pclover> but still hum
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• 1537[18:35:20] <jelly> rafalcpp: did you tune net.core.rmem_max net.core.wmem_max and tcp window size when doing tcp? Did you make sure no single core got saturated? Did you disable hyperthreading?
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• 1540[18:36:29] <rafalcpp> jelly: no cores are saturated
• 1541[18:36:31] <jelly> rafalcpp: do the NICs have latest firmware?
• 1542[18:36:41] <rafalcpp> jelly: sometimes I tune wmem_max, though most tersting is on UDP
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• 1544[18:36:51] <rafalcpp> jelly: the firmware is as provided in Debian 9 and Debian 10
• 1545[18:37:07] <jelly> upgrade it.
• 1546[18:37:17] <rafalcpp> how would one get newer firmware for Debian 10, for X520-DA card?
• 1547[18:37:59] <jelly> get it from intel, using vendor firmware and tools, you might have to boot RHEL or Windows tho, no idea how Intel packages fw updates for their cards
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• 1549[18:38:50] <jelly> I only deal with branded cards so be they intel or qlogic or mellanox or whatever I get fw from HPE
• 1550[18:40:40] <jelly> but same limit on tcp and udp and kernel generated packets (I wasn't even aware that was a thing) and having done due diligence suggests an issue with drivers or card or both
• 1551[18:41:17] <jelly> rafalcpp: did you try booting latest RHEL 7.x on both ends and testing that
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• 1553[18:41:38] <rafalcpp> jelly: interestingly it's almost the same behaviour between Intel X520 and netxen qlogic nx3030. 1 * 10Gbps or 2 * 6.5 Gbps
• 1554[18:42:04] <rafalcpp> jelly: afair yes and it didn't helped
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• 1556[18:43:59] <jelly> rafalcpp: I'd also try borrowing a switch and putting it in between.
• 1557[18:44:25] <rafalcpp> jelly: though how it might help?
• 1558[18:44:43] <rafalcpp> if NIC seems absolutelly unable to egress 2*8 gbps
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• 1560[18:44:54] <jelly> it might negotiate different settings with NICs
• 1561[18:44:54] <rafalcpp> raw ethernet too
• 1562[18:45:02] <jelly> on the PHY level
• 1563[18:45:24] <rafalcpp> hmm other than 1000/10000 and fullduplex? because being able to 9.97 Gbps on each separatelly seems to prove they can
• 1564[18:46:01] <jelly> yes
• 1565[18:46:03] <rafalcpp> anyway yea, this two connections are totallly independant on layer1. SPF-1 to SPF-1 and SPF-2 to SPF-2 can 9.97
• 1566[18:46:29] <jelly> oh btw can you read temp. sensors on the cards?
• 1567[18:46:37] <rafalcpp> uh like, layer1 mode that overloads the MCU on NIC so it can do only ~12 Gbps in totall?
• 1568[18:47:15] <rafalcpp> jelly: no, but can see when they overheat and shutdown. one NIC did it, fan helped. other doesn't need fans. anyway it can't do 2*8 (2*10) even for a second
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• 1572[18:49:21] <gedia> Hello all, does anyone know what the $iflabel directive does in partman-auto preseed options? It's not documented in partman-auto-recipe.txt...
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• 1574[18:50:46] <jelly> gedia: if it's not documented in source code either, you might ask in #debian-boot over on irc.oftc.net (same as irc.debian.org)
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• 1576[18:53:45] <jelly> rafalcpp: 1.5GBps sounds a bit like some PCI/PCIe limit
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• 1579[18:54:49] <jelly> and yes you said <rafalcpp> card is confirmed (LnkSta in lspci -vvv) to work as width x8 5 Gtransfer/s
• 1580[18:55:35] <gedia> jelly: thanks!
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• 1587[19:00:12] <rafalcpp> PCIe 2.0 uses an 8b/10b encoding scheme, therefore delivering, per-lane, an effective 4 Gbit/s max transfer rate from its 5 GT/s raw data rate.
• 1588[19:00:42] <rafalcpp> therefore, x8 should be able to get 32 Gbps
• 1589[19:01:23] <rafalcpp> x4 would be 16 Gbps, wall is at 13.5 Gbps
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• 1593[19:02:58] <rafalcpp> 15% overhead? ~1000 bytes wasted per 9000 bytes delivered? seems a bit much for device command, no?
• 1594[19:03:13] <rafalcpp> even if LnkSta width x8 is a lie and it's in x4 somehow
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• 1633[19:26:10] <maqf_> how can i tell exim4 to not use AAAA records when sending email? i have added disable_ipv6=true and dns_ipv4_lookup='*' but it continue resolving gmail as ipv6
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• 1638[19:29:15] <FinalX> you're probably better off asking in an exim channel; but out of curiosity.... why would you want to? everyone should be doing ipv6, not trying to disable it.. it's never a solution
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• 1640[19:29:45] <FinalX> seems like you want something along these lines, though: replaced-url
• 1641[19:29:51] <maqf_> my ISP doesnt provide ptr for ipv6
• 1642[19:30:04] <maqf_> so my mail goes to spam when using ipv6
• 1643[19:30:10] <maqf_> i have set it up for ipv4
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• 1646[19:30:52] <FinalX> ugh. sounds like your isp needs a kick up the butt. but I get that.. that what I linked is precisely what they wanted it for, as well
• 1647[19:31:02] <maqf_> > i have added disable_ipv6=true and dns_ipv4_lookup='*' but it continue resolving gmail as ipv6
• 1648[19:31:10] <maqf_> i have googled that solution prior to asking here of course
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• 1650[19:31:39] <FinalX> ah, hm
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• 1652[19:32:02] <maqf_> i didn't forgot to restart exim :) it just ignores these options
• 1653[19:32:09] <maqf_> et*
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• 1655[19:33:25] <FinalX> I'm sorry, I'm not going to be of much help. I'm a Postfix user, and never had this problem before.
• 1656[19:33:44] <maqf_> i think i will change to postfix then
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• 1658[19:33:56] <maqf_> exim didn't pass the test :(
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• 1662[19:34:22] <FinalX> Postfix is not the reason I don't have problems with this, though... I have my own IPv6-ranges (my own AS + /39 IPv6), and work for my own ISP, so :)
• 1663[19:34:59] <maqf_> lacking ipv6 is not a big problem either
• 1664[19:35:12] <FinalX> was quickly searching, but for postfix this seems promising: replaced-url
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• 1668[19:36:54] <FinalX> maybe you should still poke your ISP though, until they get it; even VPS-providers offer a simple reverse form in their control panels
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• 1670[19:37:17] <maqf_> many vps providers don't even offer ipv6
• 1671[19:37:17] <FinalX> that said, I'm at least glad your ISP offers IPv6 to begin with.. not a whole lot do :)
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• 1673[19:37:25] <FinalX> that's not true, I've had many and most do
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• 1675[19:37:47] <maqf_> i have about 15 vps online using different providers and only half of them do
• 1676[19:37:53] <FinalX> though Vultr is by far the best I've had so far .. they even allow you to announce your own ranges if you have an ASN
• 1677[19:38:03] <FinalX> they even have ipv6-only VPS's
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• 1679[19:38:37] <FinalX> the only ones I've had that didn't do it was because the country itself doesn't really do IPv6 at all (South Africa, Brazil)
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• 1681[19:39:43] <FinalX> on fairnode.eu you can get your own AS with a /40 ipv6 to go with it for €100 one-time fee (incl. VAT), then use it with Vultr for example :) or HE's tunnel broker (they offer BGP-tunnels, too), as well
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• 1698[19:49:36] <jrg> hello. is there a way to mount something as a particular user using fstab ?
• 1699[19:49:57] <jrg> i've set user,uid=<user uid#> but that seems to give me permission issues still when writing
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• 1701[19:50:12] <jelly> jrg: do you want the user to be able to run the mount command, or do you want the ownerships to be set to that user?
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• 1704[19:51:09] <jelly> jrg: if it's a unix filesystem with real unix permissions, like ext4 or btrfs, you'll have to chown the desired files and directories.
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• 1708[19:51:24] <jrg> jelly: more so the permissions. when using the uid,gid settings in fstab i seem to keep running into issues. but when i have user set and mount as the user it is fine
• 1709[19:51:34] <jrg> jelly: it's a cifs mount
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• 1711[19:51:55] <jelly> does the remote support cifs unix extensions like Samba does?
• 1712[19:51:57] <jrg> i suppose i can possibly set it to none as a mountpoint in fstab and just use pam_mount?
• 1713[19:52:17] <jrg> jelly: sure. it is set to use them
• 1714[19:52:37] <jrg> but when mounting as root i see it mounted as the user.. the user has the same gid/uid.. but writing becomes problematic
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• 1716[19:53:13] <jrg> could it be possible the mounting occurs before samba and it causes a mapping issue ?
• 1717[19:53:26] <jelly> root is special, I don't remember whether samba squashes it to nobody by default like nfs does
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• 1726[20:00:55] <jrg> i don't know. i do know that when i mount in fstab to a dir using a uid,gid i have write issues but when mounting as the user itself i do not. i will try to use pam_mount instead and see if i have better luck with that.
• 1727[20:01:04] <jrg> i was starting to think i was having mapping issues all over until i tried that
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• 1730[20:01:42] <jrg> just to check though: using none as a mountpoint should just keep the settings but not mount it right?
• 1731[20:01:54] <jrg> so if a user mounts and sets a mountpoint it should just go there?
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• 1733[20:03:03] <jrg> pam_mount would b ea bit more elegant anyways
• 1734[20:03:37] <jrg> it would be nicer if there was a way to get fstab to su to another user in order to mount it though instead
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• 1760[20:32:57] <rafalcpp> jelly: why disabling HyperThreading would help?
• 1761[20:33:01] <rafalcpp> for the 10*2 gbps nic
• 1762[20:33:14] <rafalcpp> can that be done from Debian or is a restart and BIOS editing required
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• 1764[20:36:40] <rafalcpp> is echoing 0 to every odd /proc/cpu.../online a good ideat for disabling HT?
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• 1969[23:07:17] <crestfallen> hid3, before I ask how to connect to a bluetooth device, how do I reset all the audio settings on my stretch system to default? I ask because I think I screwed up plenty while trying to get this bluetooth speaker to connect, which it *will not* do. thanks
• 1970[23:07:32] <crestfallen> oops , that's *hi
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• 1980[23:15:50] <at0m> crestfallen: depends i guess, what desktop are you using and where did you change these settings?
• 1981[23:16:03] <at0m> gnome, kde, xfce?
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• 2005[23:40:47] <crestfallen> at0m, sorry, this is on gnome. cant remember where I made the changes but anyway I just removed pulseaudio as per suggestion on another channel. it is so very complicated to get my sound to work with bluetooth it seems
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• 2014[23:45:57] <at0m> crestfallen: glad you're being helped in another channel.
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• 2023[23:52:47] <bipul> Hi, I 'm just looking for a help.
• 2024[23:52:50] <bipul> Is it possible to create a simple switching netwotk with libvirt , please find the details replaced-url
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• 2027[23:57:53] <Gerowen> How would one go about viewing a cgi page/file in a web browser? Whenever I try to open it in Firefox or Chromium it just asks to download the file.
• 2028[23:58:08] <Gerowen> File in question is provided as a web interface by the apcupsd-cgi package.
• 2029[23:58:39] <Habbie> are you in fact looking at the web interface? or are you browsing to the cgi on your file system?
• 2030[23:59:12] <Gerowen> I've placed the cgi file in the apache folder on my home server so that it's visible.
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• 2032[23:59:53] <Gerowen> But when I try to click on the file, it just asks to download it.
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