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16 [00:05:49] <Mysterytrain> well that didn't work either,
still with the grub-rescue prompt. time to try some othether things
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24 [00:07:41] <somiaj> any errors from trying to install grub,
is it still complaining about being able to access the efi?
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30 [00:10:31] <Mysterytrain> grub installed fine
31 [00:10:56] <somiaj> then what didn't work?
32 [00:11:25] <somiaj> if your efi firmware didn't get
updated, often times the firmware has a tool you can browse the efi
partition and point it at the debian grub.efi file
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70 [00:38:41] <kinstalinist> hey y'all, what's the
canonical way to retrieve a sysfs property of a device in a shell
script if i know where it is in /dev? wondering if there's any
better ways than grepping/awking program outputs
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73 [00:39:03] <kinstalinist> canonical, best, simplest, whatever
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77 [00:41:16] <somiaj> if wanting sysfs info, you talking about
info inside of /sys (not dev)?
78 [00:41:42] <somiaj> I don't know of another way except
grep/cat, as they are text files meant for ease of use with common
tools.
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80 [00:42:19] <somiaj> maybe sysconf is what youw ant, or
sysctrl
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86 [00:46:40] <kinstalinist> somiaj: maybe if i describe what
i'm actually trying to do it'll make more sense? i'm
working on making my iPhone mount automatically when i plug it in,
and while i do have a udev rule to create the symlink /dev/iPhone,
ifuse uses the serial number to specify a specific device, not
device file
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88 [00:47:51] <kinstalinist> somiaj: so given that i know
/dev/iPhone is the iPhone, i wanna get /sys${DEVPATH}/serial
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96 [00:50:25] <somiaj> how are you trying to mount the iphone?
What file system? like mtpfs?
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102 [00:53:31] <kinstalinist> somiaj: i'm using the program
ifuse, which mounts it as a fuse fs
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114 [00:59:42] <kinstalinist> somiaj: i think i may just grep
`udevadm info`, i can get what i need from there
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129 [01:06:36] <awal1> ,v luakit
130 [01:06:37] <judd> Package: luakit on amd64 -- wheezy:
2012.03.25-1; sid: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1; stretch: 2012.09.13-r1-8+b1
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134 [01:08:24] <michael2> hi. Im have a laptop on a debian
minimal install with no X and I need to know how much battery I have
left. does anyone know how to check laptop battery remaining?
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140 [01:11:42] <jpw> `acpid`
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144 [01:12:51] <michael2> im in a minimal install - I dont have
acpid
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152 [01:15:24] <jpw> then the info you're after will be
somewhere inside /sys i don't know where thouh.
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156 [01:17:31] <oerheks> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
157 [01:17:44] <jpw>
/sys/bus/acpi/drivers/battery/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT1 for me
158 [01:18:00] <jpw> but then i am using centos at the moment
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166 [01:22:01] <Ouroboros> is /proc/mounts supposed to list all
non-default options?
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172 [01:24:45] <gunix> Ouroboros: it lists the running config
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181 [01:28:35] <Ouroboros> right, but e.g. dmesg says
'EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with journalled data
mode.', but /proc/mounts does not list data=journal, how to
explain that?
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187 [01:31:17] <Tom-_> different senses of the word data i think
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189 [01:32:18] <necrose99> anyone have any lighthttpd experiance
?
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194 [01:36:15] <necrose99> namily exposing packages dir in
lighthttpd as base conf is naked
195 [01:36:41] <awal1> apart chromium & firfox &
epiphany, is there any browser with support for html video?
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198 [01:36:52] <awal1> something like luakit
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200 [01:37:53] <JinCMG> Tried to install Debian Stretch, Dual
Boot Multi Drive with Windows 10 already installed and get no errors
but it never boots into Grub
201 [01:38:09] <Ouroboros> Tom-_: no, they are the same
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204 [01:38:21] <JinCMG> Anyone have any advice?
205 [01:39:19] <Tom-_> awal1, pale moon?
206 [01:39:31] <awal1> Tom', pale moon?
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210 [01:43:28] <Ouroboros> also, the root fs should typically be
mounted once by initramfs and remounted once based on fstab later,
correct?
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216 [01:45:46] <Ouroboros> and this is typically with ro the
first time (from kernel command line) and with rw the second time...
so then why do the EXT4-fs messages not mention either ro or rw
during remount?
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220 [01:49:26] <Ouroboros> perhaps someone can show what their
messages for the root fs look like
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280 [02:19:33] <necrose99> JinCMG Sabayon Linux (Gentoo) before
windows 10 fall creators , eady-bcd works
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282 [02:20:21] <necrose99> however visualbcd runing cureent ,
easy-ufi can gen menus for windows or bios.
283 [02:20:47] <somiaj> JinCMG: could it be an efi boot, in this
case your firmware is booting the windows efi file and not the
debian one. Maybe you need to configure your firmware and point it
at the grub efi file
284 [02:20:48] <necrose99> jinCMG 2 GPT hDD's or SSd's
285 [02:21:11] <necrose99> i'd Strongly recomend 2 drives
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289 [02:22:00] <somiaj> awal1: I would assume most webkit
browsers (which epiphany is) support video, since they are all using
webkit as the backend. Though firefox and chromium are the only ones
that get security support.
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294 [02:27:01] <Sri_Designer> damn. The The w/ Agnes Obel
openning sold out me hood Riviera (3k ppl) in an hour. who knew.
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296 [02:28:31] <Sri_Designer> wrong chan, sorry.
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306 [02:42:33] <kinstalinist> does anyone know what kind of call
mount(8) makes to a /sbin/mount.$type helper? my initial idea on
this was to read the source code but i'm in waaaaaaaay over my
head trying to do that, i'm realizing :x
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308 [02:44:21] <Ouroboros> kinstalinist: what is the objective?
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311 [02:46:33] <kinstalinist> Ouroboros: i'm wanting to
write a helper that figures out the `ifuse` invocation to do so i
can just use `mount` for my iPhone (the issue is that to specify a
specific target `ifuse` uses the UUID, not a device)
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314 [02:48:27] <kinstalinist> Ouroboros: i have a udev rule set
up so that it symlinks to /dev/iPhone, but since `ifuse` won't
take a device as an argument, it's a bit more complicated than
just symlinking /sbin/mount.iOS to /usr/bin/ifuse
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332 [03:04:58] <kinstalinist> okay, should've thought of
this before: found out the answer by making the helper be a script
that just spits out the arguments it's called with :P
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340 [03:10:25] <michael2> what does the wpa_supplicant man page
mean by "BSS" ?
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344 [03:14:24] <Ouroboros> kinstalinist: no problem :P
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346 [03:14:57] <awal1> somiaj, you right, only chromium &
ffox gets security support; I forgot about that. nvm, so
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353 [03:16:07] <kinstalinist> michael2: i actually didn't
know this before i looked it up just now, it stands for Basic
Service Set
354 [03:16:10] <kinstalinist> michael2:
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358 [03:16:55] <kinstalinist> michael2: so basically tl;dr: a
network
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362 [03:17:20] <michael2> kinstalinist: thanks, i should have
looked it up too. I just assumed the answer wouild have been buried
under an avalanche of search results!
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366 [03:18:38] <kinstalinist> michael2: helps to make your query
a bit more specific sometimes, like the one i found the wikipedia
article with was 'wireless bss'
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369 [03:19:22] <michael2> from that wikipedia article: ... a
service set is a group of wireless network devices that are
operating with the same networking parameters.
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377 [03:21:07] <kinstalinist> michael2: yeah, basically the
router and all the devices connected to it
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390 [03:23:49] <kinstalinist> michael2: i did already know that a
BSS*ID* is the unique identification number for a wireless access
point
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392 [03:25:49] <michael2> yeah, it seems the BSS is built around
the BSSID
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503 [04:29:47] <Ouroboros> hm, what controls whether a systemd
menuentry is generated by update-grub?
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510 [04:36:58] <somiaj> what do you mean by systemd menuentry?
511 [04:37:10] <somiaj> I don't see why grub would generate
a systemd menuentry, or what you mean
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522 [04:44:41] <Ouroboros> well, after install there were two
menuentries: 'Debian GNU/Linux ...' and 'Debian
GNU/Linux ... (recovery mode)' with single, after i ran
update-grub another menuentry was added: 'Debian GNU/Linux ...
(systemd)' with init=/lib/systemd/systemd
523 [04:45:22] <Ouroboros> there are no references to systemd in
/etc/grub.d, so is this based on the presence of /lib/systemd?
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527 [04:46:54] <Ouroboros> note that i am using sysvinit by
default
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530 [04:51:27] <somiaj> grub should be generating it based on the
scripts in /etc/grub.d and /lib/systemd. the /boot/grub/grub.cfg is
commented to let you know what script created which entry, that may
help narrow down what script is creating the entry
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536 [04:55:12] <somiaj> Ouroboros: arg, not /lib/systemd, I meant
/etc/default/grub --
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552 [05:02:42] <Ouroboros> ah, yes, /etc/grub.d/10_linux
generates one additional menuentry for each init that is present and
not default
553 [05:02:56] <Ouroboros> thanks, 'mystery' solved
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579 [05:28:49] <KindaNoob> hi, I can't run vsftpd
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581 [05:29:22] <KindaNoob> it prints "[ok] startting
bla-bla" but I doesn't apear in netstat output
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591 [05:36:47] <Guest7492> hello everyone
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594 [05:38:46] <Guest7492> 有人吗？我是怎么进来的
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601 [05:40:37] <Ouroboros> are the new predictable network
interface names strictly speaking part of systemd or udev?
602 [05:41:09] <Guest7492> 这个要怎么玩
603 [05:41:16] <kill0rmachine> 请不要告诉任何人你在这里
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605 [05:41:32] <Guest7492> 为萨满
606 [05:41:39] <Guest7492> 为什么
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608 [05:42:50] <kill0rmachine> you can tuurn new predict. names
of with bootoption "net.ifnames=0"
609 [05:43:11] <Guest7492> 我看不懂
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611 [05:44:16] <Guest7492> 你们好
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620 [05:51:01] <edc_> 你们好
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625 [05:54:17] <edc_> 有人吗
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640 [06:00:40] <kemisten> is there a video player that has a
webui for ubuntu server??
641 [06:00:45] <somiaj> kill0rmachine: or just use systemd.link,
if you point 99-default.link to /dev/null it turns it off too, and
not need a boot parameter
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643 [06:01:10] <somiaj> Ouroboros: man systemd.link (they are a
combination of kernel + systemd from my understanding)
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649 [06:01:36] <somiaj> KindaNoob: try to netcat port 21, does it
work?
650 [06:02:21] <edc_> how are you
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653 [06:04:14] <somiaj> edc_: this is a support channel for
Debian, do you have a support question?
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655 [06:04:53] <KindaNoob> somiaj is it possible that vsftpd
starts very slowly
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659 [06:05:26] <Ouroboros> somiaj: i am just trying to determine
what i am actually using right now :P
660 [06:05:31] <somiaj> KindaNoob: unsure, I suggest not using
ftp if at all possible.
661 [06:05:56] <somiaj> Ouroboros: I'm unsure on what sort
of systemd, udev, etc pieces are still around if using sysvint
662 [06:06:40] <somiaj> KindaNoob: if you are using systemd, use
systemctl status vsftpd -- that should give you the status of the
server
663 [06:06:43] <edc_> 没有。谢谢
664 [06:07:04] <somiaj> edc_: please stop spamming blank lines to
the channel
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666 [06:07:25] <Ouroboros> somiaj: god only knows... or why i
even did this in the first place
667 [06:07:50] <Ouroboros> somiaj: they are not blank, they are
unicode chinese or something
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669 [06:07:54] <somiaj> Ouroboros: some don't like systemd,
and more power to them to not use it. I find it a good init system
and have no problem using it.
670 [06:08:06] <somiaj> Ouroboros: ahh, must be my character set.
671 [06:08:24] <somiaj> edc_: this is an english channel, there
are other support channels for different languages, if you have a
support question.
672 [06:08:25] <kill0rmachine> hey is there a way to turn of
periodic scaning for networks on wifi brought by network-manager? it
cuses lag spikes every 2 or 3 min up 1 second latency over ~5
seconds, its quite anoying when playing online shooters. currently
have a "servixce network-manager stop ; iw dev bla connect
..." bash script and there is absolutly no lag without nm ...
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674 [06:08:48] <somiaj> kill0rmachine: you'll have to dig
through the network-manager configuration
675 [06:08:59] <edc_> I dont now english
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678 [06:09:11] <somiaj> edc_: what language do you know?
679 [06:09:32] <kill0rmachine> i did, found only stuff on
iterwebs where ppl were claiming there is no option to turn it off
680 [06:09:40] <edc_> chanese
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682 [06:09:51] <Ouroboros> somiaj: mainly, i did not want to
learn it right now, but i will try it on another machine soon
683 [06:09:55] <somiaj> !chinese
684 [06:09:55] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian
相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot
頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC
程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
685 [06:10:32] <farruinn> Ouroboros: any hints in syslog?
686 [06:10:35] <somiaj> Ouroboros: debian has made it fairly
painless. All the standard tools, update-rc.d, invoke-rc.d, and
service all work with systemd, so little use to know.
687 [06:10:37] <Ouroboros> somiaj: then again, this solution is
not ideal either, as obviously there is no way to completely restore
everything to sysvinit at this point
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691 [06:11:13] <somiaj> Ouroboros: you can use sysvinit as the
init system, but logind and other desktop stuff requires systemd.
And since udev is part of systemd, you can't fully get rid of
systemd, but you can use a different init system.
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693 [06:11:53] <Ouroboros> well, i did not install desktop, but
yes, stuff like udev will stay
694 [06:11:57] <somiaj> kill0rmachine: the only thing I found is
there is an option to 'lock your wifi connection profile to the
BSSID of your access point' which will stop it.
695 [06:12:20] <Ouroboros> farruinn: hints about what
specifically?
696 [06:12:23] <somiaj> kill0rmachine: the other option is to use
a different tool, I prefer wpa_supplicant myself (it can fully
manage your wifi)
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698 [06:12:42] <somiaj> Ouroboros: logind is still needed, I
assume you followed the instructions for replacing systemd with
sysv?
699 [06:12:45] <somiaj> !remove systemd
700 [06:12:45] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
replaced-url
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704 [06:15:42] <Nautilus> I see a time like this in html/php,
does it look like *nix epoch style time? Is there an easy way in
*nix to see what the time is now?
705 [06:15:45] <Nautilus> time=1517276249
706 [06:15:53] <Ouroboros> somiaj: the only thing i did so far is
install sysvinit-core using preseed/late_command, i did not see the
stuff about logind
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708 [06:17:49] <somiaj> Ouroboros: follow that factoid and read
up on this on the wiki if you choose to go this route. Sounds lke
you are just missing some packages.
709 [06:18:56] <Nautilus> oh, found a web site that will do it
easy, fits my immediate need
710 [06:18:58] <somiaj> Nautilus: date -d @1517276249 outputs Mon
Jan 29 18:37:29 MST 2018 here
711 [06:19:11] <Nautilus> cool, then that's right
712 [06:19:18] <Nautilus> date ... I was trying time
713 [06:19:31] <somiaj> Nautilus: date will adjust it to your
time zone, or utc if you ask it
714 [06:20:25] <Nautilus> ok, just needed a static time for today
for some testing, will get to making it dynamic
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716 [06:20:50] <somiaj> Nautilus: man date for more info
717 [06:21:34] <Nautilus> i wondering how to get time zone from
web user. There will be location entry (large cities like NYC,
Chicago), then might have to derive from there
718 [06:21:47] <Nautilus> orrrr maybe this code uses UTC, still
digging
719 [06:22:16] <somiaj> logs often just use the timezone of the
server or utc
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721 [06:22:33] <somiaj> you might be able to get a guess from a
useragent or geioip, but I think usually it just sets server time
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723 [06:22:49] <Nautilus> I'm rebuilding an ISS tracker site
for fun, because it was a nice site
724 [06:23:07] <Nautilus> and I found bits & pieces on
wayback machine
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726 [06:24:06] <Nautilus> probably need to assume UTC and then
compare my sighting results to nasa
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735 [06:26:16] <Ouroboros> somiaj: btw,
replaced-url
736 [06:27:40] <somiaj> that is installing, not removing
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738 [06:27:54] <somiaj> there is a difference
739 [06:28:20] <Ouroboros> how so?
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741 [06:28:53] <somiaj> installing will make it so sysvinit is
installed during the install and will include the other stuff, once
you have a systemd install, replacing will be a different process
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743 [06:29:36] <Ouroboros> well, yeah, i did that during the
install
744 [06:29:50] <somiaj> maybe it isn't complete if
systemd-shim was never isntalled, did you isntall systemd-shim
745 [06:29:57] <Ouroboros> but it still installs systemd first
too
746 [06:30:25] <somiaj> anyways, I have not tried either
approach, but as I said, I kinda like systemd as an init system, a
lot of the annoycies of sysv were gone, and it works for my use.
747 [06:30:26] <Ouroboros> i don't think that can be easily
avoided
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751 [06:31:00] <somiaj> yea, debian provides a way, but it
isn't the smoothest. You need to use one of the few distros
that don't use systemd or bsd if you really want to get away
from it.
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754 [06:31:48] <Ouroboros> i dont care about it that strongly,
this is mostly an experiment
755 [06:31:58] <Ouroboros> i will research what you suggested
further
756 [06:31:59] <somiaj> that is a fine reason to play around.
757 [06:32:42] <somiaj> I just never have tried it, and my use
case is very simple, so really the only reason I know anything about
systemd is learning to support it. For what I use debian for (As a
desktop hobbiest) it was a plainless transition.
758 [06:33:50] <Ouroboros> i am just happy that nothing exploded
and the system is usable after install :P took me over a week to get
here
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760 [06:34:34] <Ouroboros> (for unrelated reasons)
761 [06:34:49] <somiaj> well it has been a long time since I have
seen a computer explode, I have only done that once, and it was due
to user error.
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763 [06:35:43] <Ouroboros> you did 'touch /sys/fuse',
eh
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767 [06:37:47] <somiaj> No, this was pre 80086 hardware, some
computer I had as a kid, I was trying to plug it in to a socket that
had no cover, so I pluged one in to the power, and the other end hit
the metal frame, grounding it, sending a surge through the machine,
and the machine started smoking
768 [06:37:57] <Nautilus> woowoo, just compared my results to
nasa's, and it's correct to the minute (lowest res that
nasa shows).
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770 [06:38:28] <somiaj> it was quite bizzare, and it wasn't
even the computer I pluged in, it was a printer, and the shock went
throught he printer into the computer, and the computer started
smoking and never wokred again. It was a kaypro or something liek
that.
771 [06:38:39] <Ouroboros> my last actual debian install was in
2008 (etch), some things have changed, most things have remained the
same
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773 [06:39:51] * Nautilus smoked plenty of parts with hobbyist wiring
in those days. oops, too much power on that diode!
774 [06:40:17] <Ouroboros> somiaj: hm, i never killed any
equipment like that, but i almost killed myself several times
775 [06:40:29] <Nautilus> glass 914's smart when they hit
you on the wrist underside
776 [06:40:37] <Ouroboros> Nautilus: ever try a diode straight
into mains? :P
777 [06:40:46] <Ouroboros> ah, i see that you have
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779 [06:41:26] <somiaj> anyways, enough reminising, back to
debian support.
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781 [06:41:41] <Nautilus> Ouroboros: nah that was still low power
DC, but I -have- hooked up an automotive coil to a big ass diode and
plugged it in. Stayed well away from the power end of that project.
782 [06:41:56] <Nautilus> in = 120vac
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784 [06:42:22] <Nautilus> ion generator :)
785 [06:42:37] <Ouroboros> oh sure
786 [06:42:52] <Ouroboros> anyway, back to hacking this thing
787 [06:42:58] <Nautilus> nods
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801 [06:50:59] <KindaNoob> somaij thnx
802 [06:51:04] <KindaNoob> somiaj thnx
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817 [07:05:28] <akd> I am trying to get v1.0.9 here :
replaced-url
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819 [07:05:39] <akd> How can I get the 2nd line ? taiL?
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821 [07:08:03] <akd> I am trying to get the version
"v1.0.9" on the 2nd line of stdout here :
replaced-url
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827 [07:11:05] <somiaj> akd: well it seems you got it, you just
want to store it as some variable?
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829 [07:12:56] <akd> yes
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831 [07:14:20] <somiaj> akd: Unusre of the best way to do this,
but this may work, first remove that ${ROLLUP_UMD_URL} (as I
don't think that is needed) and try VARNAME=`git ls-remote ...`
832 [07:16:46] <akd> well, that's wrong
833 [07:16:49] <akd> git version are wrong
834 [07:16:58] <akd> v1.0.9 is newer than v1.0.30
835 [07:17:14] <somiaj> in most version systems that is not the
case, usually 30 > 9
836 [07:17:49] <somiaj> but unsure exactly what you are doing, I
was just giving a method to take the output you are getting and put
it into a variable
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851 [07:25:52] <Tech_Guy> hi
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878 [07:52:07] <AliceKelly> how is webgl installed. is it a
package or part of the browser
879 [07:52:56] <Ouroboros> no idea, but you can search for it
using apt-cache and apt-file
880 [07:53:04] <AliceKelly> ty
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882 [07:54:17] <somiaj> webgl is a standard, it isn't really
installed
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884 [07:54:55] <somiaj> No clue why your webgl isn't
working, but your browser says it is, and your browser is able to
then use your oses gl setup.
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886 [07:55:19] <AliceKelly> ive come to the conclusion that its a
webgl version problem
887 [07:55:22] <somiaj> AliceKelly:
replaced-url
888 [07:55:33] <AliceKelly> card only supports up to 1.4
889 [07:55:38] <somiaj> you should see a spinning cube
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891 [07:56:11] <AliceKelly> Hmm. While your browser seems to
support WebGL, it is disabled or unavailable. If possible, please
ensure that you are running the latest drivers for your video card.
892 [07:56:43] <somiaj> what video card do you have?
893 [07:56:55] <AliceKelly> radeon 9000
894 [07:57:07] <AliceKelly> rv250
895 [07:57:10] <somiaj> and you have firmware-amd-graphics
installed?
896 [07:57:15] <AliceKelly> yes
897 [07:57:37] <somiaj> unsure, I'm using nvidia + non-free
drivers here, but it could be some issue with the radeon
card/drivers you have is all I can assume too
898 [07:57:42] <AliceKelly> the card only supports webgl version
1.4 supposedly
899 [07:57:45] <somiaj> I dind't do anything special to get
it to work on my system.
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902 [07:58:21] <somiaj> AliceKelly: glxinfo | grep -i version
[what version of OpenGL do you have compadailbty for?
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905 [07:58:28] <AliceKelly> this doesnt support catilyst
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907 [07:58:58] <somiaj> you aren't using catilyst anyways,
so that shoudln't matter, that project I think is dead and
debian no longer provides the flgrx drivers anymore
908 [07:59:13] <somiaj> older cards work with radeon + nonfree
firmawre, newer with amdgpu
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910 [08:00:00] <AliceKelly> it says version 1.4
911 [08:00:07] <AliceKelly> so that wasnt it
912 [08:00:12] <somiaj> what says version 1.4,
913 [08:00:23] <somiaj> that maybe your glx version, but it may
need opengl version as well
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915 [08:00:31] <AliceKelly> back to the drawing board, see you in
a couple days
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960 [08:39:07] <debianuser_> Hey guys, I have Debian 9 and
install all the required packages to run php7. But I'm getting
this error and can't run wordpress
961 [08:39:08] <debianuser_> Uncaught Error: Call to undefined
function mysql_connect()
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969 [08:45:55] <nkuttler> debianuser_: apt-cache search php
mysql, and install whatever you need
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971 [08:46:08] <debianuser_> nkuttler: done that
972 [08:46:13] <nkuttler> done what?
973 [08:46:28] <debianuser_> I have php-mysql and php7.0-mysql
installed
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976 [08:46:43] <nkuttler> debianuser_: did you restart your
webserver?
977 [08:46:48] <debianuser_> Yeah
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979 [08:46:58] <debianuser_> is this also needed
php-mdb2-driver-mysql?
980 [08:47:58] <nkuttler> debianuser_:
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981 [08:48:03] <nkuttler> removed in php 7
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984 [08:48:17] <debianuser_> hmm, can't use wordpress
anymore ?
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986 [08:48:43] <nkuttler> worpdress claims they are php7
compatible, you probably want #wordpress
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988 [08:48:50] <debianuser_> Thanks
989 [08:48:53] <nkuttler> perhaps some plugin..
990 [08:49:08] <debianuser_> about to ask there. thanks
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1045 [09:27:25] <wonderer> hi all
1046 [09:27:50] <wonderer> does anyone know what are the changes
in init.d from version 6 upto 9
1047 [09:28:13] <wonderer> just wondering what will break if i
attempt step upgrade from v6 onwards
1048 [09:28:28] <wonderer> so i can prepare for this problems thx
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1064 [09:34:37] <addkt> Hello all
1065 [09:34:40] <addkt> How is everyone doing?
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1067 [09:35:41] <wonderer> hi
1068 [09:36:14] <wonderer> its saturdays, so i guess for most of
us - its weekend off work :D
1069 [09:38:00] <addkt> That is always the prize at the end of the
week! lol
1070 [09:38:38] <wonderer> heh
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1072 [09:39:03] <addkt> is anyone else alive in here besides you
wonderer?
1073 [09:39:10] <AliceKelly> i am
1074 [09:39:31] <addkt> Good Evening/Afternoon/Morning to you
alice. Depending on where you are.
1075 [09:39:54] <AliceKelly> night in nebraska
1076 [09:40:11] <addkt> Well Hello from Utah
1077 [09:40:47] <wonderer> depending where u guys/gals are,
properly early morning
1078 [09:40:55] <wonderer> can i ask question on debian?
1079 [09:41:01] <jelly> !ask
1080 [09:41:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1081 [09:41:19] <AliceKelly> morning jelly
1082 [09:41:38] <wonderer> already asked jelly :D
1083 [09:41:53] <wonderer> does anyone know what are the changes
in init.d from version 6 upto 9
1084 [09:42:05] <wonderer> just wondering what will break if i
attempt step upgrade from v6 onwards?
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1086 [09:42:40] <AliceKelly> wow
1087 [09:42:45] <jelly> each release has release notes documenting
major changes in functionality
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1092 [09:43:30] <wonderer> trying to find these specific not on
init.d not easily done putting a search term in G
1093 [09:43:35] <jelly> wonderer, so you'll want to read
debian 7 (wheezy) release notes, then jessie release notes, then
stretch release notes
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1096 [09:44:05] <wonderer> jelly thats the best bet i am guessing
too
1097 [09:45:03] <wonderer> debian.org has these version not
sepperately or i have to d/l iso's to see
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1099 [09:45:37] <jelly> on switching to systemd you'll find
init script compatibility is a bit different and lsb headers in init
scripts are mandatory
1100 [09:46:00] <jelly> dpkg, squeeze->wheezy
1101 [09:46:00] <dpkg> Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian
6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list,
change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that
<wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get
update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade.
See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
1102 [09:46:07] <wonderer> ok now doing that speicifc search term
in G i get better results
1103 [09:46:10] <wonderer> thx jelly
1104 [09:46:11] <jelly> !wheezy release notes
1105 [09:46:11] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 7
"Wheezy" are at
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1106 [09:46:46] <wonderer> cool tvm jelly
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1109 [09:47:27] <jelly> if your system is still on debian 6 you
might want to replace it with a clean installation and migrate data
and apps, instead of doing three in-place release upgrades
1110 [09:48:41] <jelly> after 6->7 to still have to
1111 [09:48:50] <jelly> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
1112 [09:48:51] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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1113 [09:48:58] <jelly> and
1114 [09:49:04] <jelly> dpkg, jessie->stretch
1115 [09:49:04] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
1116 [09:49:12] <wonderer> jelly
1117 [09:49:19] <wonderer> will do jump upto 7 1st
1118 [09:49:51] <jelly> only 8 and 9 have support right now
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1120 [09:50:49] <wonderer> problem is this srv on deb 6 is runing
a variety of python scripts/php driven sites which no-one knwo how
it was coded
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1122 [09:51:17] <jelly> php ones are likely to break after php
version is bumper
1123 [09:51:23] <jelly> bumped
1124 [09:51:23] <wonderer> so luckyly its a VM we can clone and
rebuild elsewhere and perform thes inplace upgrade 1 v. at a time
1125 [09:51:30] <wonderer> ofc
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1127 [09:51:42] <wonderer> but i have some experience in php
upgrades
1128 [09:51:57] <wonderer> and runnign these side by sid eon same
box and fixing the compat issues that arise
1129 [09:52:30] <jelly> it might be less work fixing them once to
work on php7.0 than fixing them three times, for php 5.4 then 5.6
then 7.0
1130 [09:52:33] <wonderer> its going to be painfull upgrade as my
task is to keep old box going and upgrade it..
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1132 [09:53:12] <wonderer> well i have ask todo this wholesale
version upgrade to deb 8 or 9
1133 [09:53:26] <wonderer> but that idea wasnt welcome just yet
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1135 [09:54:10] <wonderer> but php 5.4 then 5.6 then 7.0 on deb 7
or 8 i hope gets the site/db working fine and at least on a stable
semi supported version
1136 [09:54:11] <jelly> you could make your company pay for
extended LTS support for debian 7 then
1137 [09:54:14] <wonderer> we will see
1138 [09:54:27] <wonderer> ah.. good point
1139 [09:54:46] <jelly>
replaced-url
1140 [09:55:51] <wonderer> great thx
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1160 [10:09:59] <AliceKelly> anyone know a deb app to clean up
directories n crap when apps are uninstalled
1161 [10:10:12] <AliceKelly> like an android cleaner ?
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1163 [10:10:41] <kirk781> ccleaner
1164 [10:10:52] <AliceKelly> free ?
1165 [10:11:02] <AliceKelly> for deb ?
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1176 [10:18:06] <lsdage> Look at Bleachbit
1177 [10:18:15] <lsdage> it is in the repos
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1181 [10:20:53] <AliceKelly> working now, thanks
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1221 [10:52:43] <michael2> hi all. Ive connected my wifi adapter
to a WPA secured AP using wpa_supplicant - now I need to connect to
a regular non-secured AP - but iwconfig wont associate anymore -
recommendations?
1222 [10:53:11] <michael2> ive killed wpa_supplicant - that
hasn't helped
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1236 [11:06:39] <pingfloyd> michael2: probably a firmware problem
1237 [11:06:56] <pingfloyd> michael2: have you tried updating your
wifi firmware from backports?
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1240 [11:10:15] <michael2> pingfloyd: yeah, it wouldnt surprise me
if firmware problem
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1243 [11:10:47] <michael2> the firmware package in main
hasn'tbee updated for a few years - checking backports now
1244 [11:11:12] <pingfloyd> it fixed a similar issue for me
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1248 [11:15:09] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone have any experience
compiling freecad on debian stable? I get the error
''make' it gives me 'make: *** No targets
specified and no makefile found. Stop.' When following
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1263 [11:21:40] <xormor> if I kill a process or an application or
a program, does the memory get freed? I am on Debian GNU/Linux
stable 9 "stretch".
1264 [11:23:14] <JPT> If you kill a process, the memory it used
will be free for the kernel to use
1265 [11:23:48] <JPT> It may use free ram for caching data or
assign chunks of it to processes that ask for it.
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1305 [11:46:33] <padomay> clear
1306 [11:46:38] <padomay> sorry, forgot the /
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1315 [11:52:10] <mossad_did_9-11> DON'T BELIEVE THE JEWISH
LIES
1316 [11:52:15] <mossad_did_9-11> MOSSAD DID 9/11
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1353 [12:07:46] <BenjaminA> my sister really hates me And i want
her to hate me more soo please send my regards
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1355 [12:08:19] <DrBunsen> NYPA
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1415 [13:00:06] <Lookme>
replaced-url
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1432 [13:06:53] <klinux> hi guys
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1435 [13:07:35] <klinux> I have upgrade the packages on synaptic
and when the upgrade is finished synaptic show me this message
1436 [13:07:56] <klinux> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as
root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl' couldn't
be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13:
Permesso negato)
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1446 [13:13:02] <klinux> synaptic has been started open the icon
that run this command synaptic-pkexec
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1454 [13:16:34] <Dal1980> Hi guys
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1466 [13:22:12] <Dal1980> Could someone help me with understanding
a little about this issue. (working in CLI Environment only i.e. no
desktop). If I try to install using `apt-get...` I get a permissions
problem so I have to use `sudo apt-get...` but then that seems to
make the program require root privileges `sudo myprogram` to run.
Did I miss something with how sudo or apt-get works? (debian 9.4)
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1474 [13:26:53] <Dal1980> I accept I may have asked a stupid
question btw :)
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1478 [13:27:56] <Dal1980> When I start my program without `sudo`
it tells me the program doesn't have permissions to run
1479 [13:28:20] <Dal1980> When I start with `sudo` the program
then thinks I'm root and my home directory is /root
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1482 [13:30:34] <wigums> Dal1980: for all practical purposes in
this situation think of sudo as being root
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1485 [13:31:37] <alx_fly> hello
1486 [13:31:46] <Dal1980> but why do I need to be root to start
`sudo xinit {program}`?
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1488 [13:32:02] <wigums> you dont need sudo when youre logged in
as root
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1490 [13:32:16] <alx_fly> my rhythmbox is crashing sometimes...
all 20 min or so by hearing music from sftp server via nautilus....
1491 [13:32:24] <Dal1980> I'm not logged in as root wigums
1492 [13:32:41] <Dal1980> doing `xinit {program}` gives me
permission errors
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1497 [13:35:47] <Dal1980> Ok - well actually talking this one out
a little has helped. - I think I need to get xinit working without
needing sudo to solve all my problems. Going to read up on that as a
line of attack :) thanks wigums
1498 [13:37:03] <klinux> Dal1980 the synaptic error is this:?
1499 [13:37:13] <klinux> Dal1980 Download is performed unsandboxed
as root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl'
couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. -
pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permesso negato)
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1508 [13:46:43] <Dal1980> Oh - not sure about the problem
specifically but seems to work under `startx` instead of using
`xinit` and I don't need `sudo` to run `startx`. Thanks
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1538 [14:08:10] <padomay> hi there.. i have a problem with my
system.. after a while i am using it, it just freezes. I state that
i'm new to this distribution, i've been using it for 2
months
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1541 [14:08:20] <padomay> and i have 9.4 with the cinnamon desktop
1542 [14:08:26] <padomay> what can i do?
1543 [14:10:22] <kirk781> Does changing the desktop environment
help?
1544 [14:10:27] <han-solo> Did you find anything interesting in
the messages.log or dmesg ?
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1548 [14:12:07] <padomay_> Like now.. it freezed after i sent the
last message... I had to reboot.. it's so annoying
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1551 [14:15:19] <han-solo> I seem to be having this same issue,
but i think, that's because of my system overheating
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1557 [14:18:19] <ign4tius> Cell
1558 [14:18:21] <padomay_> han-solo i thought that.. and i started
to keep the system monitor open... But it just freezes with no
symptoms
1559 [14:18:29] <nix64bit> I have had a freezing desktop for years
now, only every few weeks, sometimes months
1560 [14:18:45] <nix64bit> no symptoms no error messages
1561 [14:19:20] <nix64bit> i asked on this forum and had no luck
1562 [14:19:56] <padomay_> Mmmmh for me the problems started with
stretch using sinnamon. Before this i had jessie with xfce and it
never stopped
1563 [14:20:19] <john1008> i experienced freezes with 4.9 kernel
and ryzen5 cpu, after upgrading the kernel it was gone
1564 [14:20:44] <han-solo> I use xfce
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1566 [14:21:09] <han-solo> 4.9.0-4-amd64
1567 [14:21:12] <nix64bit> i am on test now and it hasn't
frozen since, also on xfce
1568 [14:21:19] <padomay_> john1008 well i don't even know
how to upgrade the kernel lol
1569 [14:21:29] <han-solo> Yeah, john1008 i used to get some
kernel performance monitoring messages in logs
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1571 [14:21:38] <john1008> get the 4.16 from backports ?
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1573 [14:22:01] <han-solo> um, i'm not sure if that would be
a good idea for me given the circumstances
1574 [14:22:24] <john1008> you can still return to 4.9
1575 [14:22:34] <han-solo> Yes
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1577 [14:22:39] <klinux> guys nothins has had my same problem with
debian 9.4?
1578 [14:23:06] <padomay_> klinux, what type of problem?
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1581 [14:24:13] <klinux> padomay_ I have upgraded firefox package
and other with synaptic and synaptic show me this message
1582 [14:24:24] <klinux> padomay_ W: Download is performed
unsandboxed as root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl'
couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. -
pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permesso negato)
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1585 [14:25:58] <padomay_> klinux, ah sei italiano? :)
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1587 [14:26:17] <klinux> padomay_ si della sicilia :)
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1590 [14:27:07] <padomay_> klinux, bella io sono sardo :) comunque
non ho abbastanza esperienza per aiutarti scusa... Uso linux solo da
questo dicembre
1591 [14:27:35] <han-solo> English please
1592 [14:27:52] <john1008> klinux google shows a synaptic bug on
first hits
1593 [14:28:06] <john1008> why not use apt instead
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1595 [14:28:39] <han-solo> i'm not sure, if it a write way,
or even sane, but rm -rf /root/.synaptic ?
1596 [14:28:44] <padomay_> han-solo, yeah sorry, it's just
exiting to hear your native langiage in a huge chat like this :)
1597 [14:28:44] <klinux> john1008 I use synaptic because is user
friendly
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1599 [14:29:09] <john1008> its just gui
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1604 [14:30:36] <john1008> to type : sudo apt install whateverprog
is userfriendly enough :)
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1610 [14:31:46] <klinux> the permission of folder tmp are
"700 tmp"
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1614 [14:33:06] <han-solo> so only you have the access
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1616 [14:33:31] <klinux> synaptic has been started with icon that
run this command "synaptic-pkexec"
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1618 [14:33:49] <han-solo> i never use synaptic
1619 [14:33:54] <han-solo> s/use/used/
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1622 [14:35:37] <padomay_> Is synaptic something like a package
manager?
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1625 [14:36:38] <annadane> yes, it is
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1628 [14:39:58] <padomay_> Get it... why would anyone use it? Is
it better than apt?
1629 [14:40:29] <han-solo> it's a GUI, i guess
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1632 [14:41:30] <padomay_> Oh ok
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1634 [14:43:08] <klinux> padomay_ synaptic is a graphical
front-end for APT
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1636 [14:43:41] <padomay_> Got it.. i thought it was and
alternative for apt...
1637 [14:44:40] <p21k> it is just a gui no point in using that
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1648 [14:48:43] <padomay_> p21k, yeah yeah :)
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1650 [14:49:45] <john1008> klinux there are tons of googlehits
about this issue why dont drop synaptic and use apt aptitude or else
?
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1652 [14:50:43] <john1008> you could use the -s to be sure what
will be installed
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1655 [14:52:37] <p21k> you need to confirm the installation when
using apt so u get the output of everything that will be installed
either way no need to use flags that will just slow down the install
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1657 [14:53:18] <p21k> if u don't want something to be
installed ever on your system just use apt-pinning
1658 [14:53:46] <klinux> john1008 if synaptic has a bug you should
not avoid it using the apt CLI but you have to correct it!
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1664 [14:55:51] <p21k> klinux, if u spot a bug it doesn't
mean you can correct it. Not everyone is a programmer
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1666 [14:56:01] <john1008> you dont want to know how many bugs i
worked around and i am using debian therefore to minimize those
situations
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1669 [14:56:55] <p21k> if u want to minimize these situations use
slackware
1670 [14:57:04] <john1008> haha
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1674 [14:58:22] <klinux> p21k this is true, but it is also true
that the debian community, irc assistance is needed to discuss the
problems that users have with the distros and if there is any
programmer, take initiative to give solutions
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1676 [14:59:25] <john1008> p21k slackies have been the ones with
the worst problems i met in all the years :P
1677 [15:00:31] <john1008> well i dont want to start a distro war
:)
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1679 [15:01:06] <p21k> ok i was just about to write a whole essey
but yeah you are right let's just keep it calm xd
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1681 [15:02:07] <padomay_> Totally agree with what klinux said..
as a new user all i can say is that just staying in a channel like
this
1682 [15:02:37] <p21k> well reporting the problem is a different
thing and u should do that
1683 [15:02:43] <padomay_> People print write here their problems
and other people solve them
1684 [15:02:45] <p21k> if u don't u are just an asshole tbh
1685 [15:03:24] <padomay_> Sometimes i solved some errors just
remembering things posted here
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1702 [15:17:08] <padomay_> Does debian has an offtopic channel?
Like in the linux mint irc community there are #linuxmint-help and
#linuxmint-chat
1703 [15:17:31] <p21k> padomay_, #debian-offtopic
1704 [15:17:43] <padomay_> Oh shit ahahahah
1705 [15:17:50] <padomay_> Thanks :)
1706 [15:17:53] <p21k> np
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1724 [15:32:54] <alx_fly> so there are many time memory access
errors on rhythmbox...
1725 [15:33:24] <alx_fly> (13:55:11) [0x562f4059c960]
[connection_closed_cb] rb-metadata-dbus-service.c:218: client
connection closed
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1727 [15:33:25] <alx_fly> Speicherzugriffsfehler
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1732 [15:34:16] <alx_fly> i will switch to Audacious
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1735 [15:36:36] <padomay_> I use audacious too. Rhythmbox looks
like a 20 year old music player.. i don't like it
1736 [15:38:58] <alx_fly> padomay_: i liked rhythmbox in jessie
and it was pretty stable
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1738 [15:40:04] <padomay_> I used it only because i was new to
linix and didn't know what else to install
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1759 [16:03:55] <jim> hi, looking to install gnu m4, but it
can't find the package in stretch after a full reinstall
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1763 [16:05:15] <jim> (if this is an xyproblem, the y is to
support my sources.list.m4 :)
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1766 [16:07:48] <babilen> jim: What does "apt-cache policy ;
apt-cache policy m4" give you?
1767 [16:07:52] <babilen> →
replaced-url
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1772 [16:08:54] <jim> sec
1773 [16:09:54] <jim> babilen,
replaced-url
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1775 [16:10:16] <babilen> That's unlikely to be the entire
output
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1777 [16:10:40] <babilen> "head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" gives you ?
1778 [16:11:14] <jim> babilen, I'll show you the whole
original file
1779 [16:11:36] <jim> oh, you want sources.list.d too
1780 [16:12:02] <jim> well I'll give you just that
1781 [16:12:29] <babilen> Just run the command and paste its
output
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1785 [16:14:26] <jim> babilen,
replaced-url
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1788 [16:15:43] <babilen> jim: Does the output of "apt-cache
policy m4" change if you run "apt update" ?
1789 [16:16:19] <babilen> Seeing the output of "apt
update" might be interesting too along that of "apt-cache
policy" as requested earlier
1790 [16:16:26] <babilen> judd: v m4 --release stretch
1791 [16:16:27] <judd> Package: m4 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.18-1
1792 [16:16:38] <babilen> ^ package should™ be in stretch
1793 [16:16:53] <babilen> Unless that mirror is funny
1794 [16:17:11] <jim> yeah, and I had it before I had to reinstall
the os :)
1795 [16:18:19] <jim> \ohshoot, I revealed my screamingly fast
mirror :/
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1799 [16:20:30] <jim> I'll do it separately
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1801 [16:21:54] <jim>
replaced-url
1802 [16:23:07] <babilen> Your sources.list does not fit your
"apt-cache policy" output
1803 [16:23:36] <jim> then I need to do another update
1804 [16:23:38] <babilen> But I guess I'll have to wait for
you to drip feed the output
1805 [16:23:46] <jim> sec
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1807 [16:24:05] <babilen> Run "apt update" and paste
that along with policy
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1809 [16:24:37] <babilen> If that's still the same use a
different (meta-)mirror such as deb.debian.org in lieu of the one
you're using currently
1810 [16:25:46] <jim> ok.. meanwhile:
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1814 [16:27:06] <jim>
replaced-url
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1818 [16:28:25] <jim>
replaced-url
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1820 [16:29:15] <jim>
replaced-url
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1822 [16:30:09] <babilen> There you go
1823 [16:30:41] <jim> oh what do you knw, it works now
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1826 [16:33:26] <babilen> ;)
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1830 [16:36:28] <jim> in case you're curious...
replaced-url
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1832 [16:37:10] <jim> I have all that ubuntu stuff disabled for
now, it's just sources anyway
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1834 [16:39:57] <babilen> Well, just keep in mind that we
don't support such Frankendebians in this channel
1835 [16:40:34] <babilen> So you might want to consider sticking
to official repos if you require support here. If not, there's
##linux as a more generic channel
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1839 [16:42:05] <jim> I happen to be an admin in
linux :) and, I had requested of the debian bot crew, that they
remove the reference to linux in the frankendebian factoid :)
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1841 [16:42:44] <jim> I believe you guys did remove it (for which
I thank you)...
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1846 [16:43:47] <babilen> So you're saying that ##linux
would, in fact, not support users with such systems?
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1850 [16:44:37] <jim> it's not that we want to refuse to help
in cases like that, but it's clearly a debian-specific issue,
as it's related to the specific issues that can trouble the
debian packaging database that gets built on each installation :)
1851 [16:44:56] <babilen> mind a pm?
1852 [16:45:00] <jim> sure
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1931 [17:37:34] <OS-38285> /msg NickServ REGISTER Hi@hexchat2018
slamichhane@regi.edu
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1943 [17:44:53] <abrotman> OS-38631: try again ...
1944 [17:45:03] <abrotman> oh, different UID?
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2133 [19:49:12] <azy> what up pimpz. how do i get the latest
firefox? im stuck on 52.8.1
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2137 [19:54:32] <adicarlo> azy: what are you running, stretch?
2138 [19:54:38] <azy> ye
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2140 [19:55:47] <adicarlo> azy: you're looking for 60 or
better?
2141 [19:56:12] <azy> the latest stable firefox, i thought it was
58 or something
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2143 [19:56:47] <velix> Firejail with chroot is evil stuff :D
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2145 [19:58:30] <adicarlo> azy:
replaced-url
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2147 [19:59:10] <adicarlo> personally I use conkeror or chrome,
but... they all suck
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2151 [19:59:37] <adicarlo> ok, I answered a question, let's
ask one!
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2164 [20:01:26] <adicarlo> my linker cannot find libGL, and I
can't quite understand why not...
2165 [20:01:28] <adicarlo> ii glx-diversions 0.7.4 amd64 prepare
for using accelerated GLX implementations from GPU vendors
2166 [20:01:28] <adicarlo> ii libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 13.0.6-1+b2
amd64 free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules
2167 [20:01:28] <adicarlo> ii libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx:amd64
340.106-2~deb9u1 amd64 NVIDIA binary OpenGL/GLX library (340xx
legacy version)
2168 [20:01:32] <adicarlo>
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2172 [20:01:42] <adicarlo> sheessh
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2188 [20:03:31] <adicarlo> at any rate, on the lowest possible
level, 'ldconfig -v | grep libGL.so' gives nada
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2260 [20:06:13] <somiaj> adicarlo: I don't see the -dev
package for libgl1-mesa installed. libgl1-mesa-dev
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2265 [20:06:29] <adicarlo> somiaj: OMG you're right
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2267 [20:06:31] <somiaj> oh wait, this is the linker, not
builder...nevermind
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2269 [20:06:37] <somiaj> oh this is the builder?
2270 [20:06:41] <adicarlo> well good to have that anyhow
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2281 [20:06:54] <adicarlo> well its failing in linker really
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2287 [20:07:12] <adicarlo> but the fact that ldconfig can't
find it, nothing will be able to
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2296 [20:07:50] <adicarlo> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
-> /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1-x86_64-linux-gnu, and
/etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1-x86_64-linux-gnu ->
/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1
2297 [20:07:54] <adicarlo> that looks right, yes?
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2303 [20:08:08] <somiaj> are you actually running the nvidia
non-free drivers?
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2309 [20:08:28] <adicarlo> somiaj: no I have them installed for
use of a 2nd CUDA video card
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2315 [20:09:07] <somiaj> okay, just one thing I noticed. Maybe
there is some issue with them bothing being installed and confusing
the linker. What actual program/command is not working
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2318 [20:09:11] <adicarlo> somiaj: but for X use, I'm running
just intel integrated video, I'm not a gamer, just trying to
get gl working again
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2323 [20:09:26] <adicarlo> somiaj: ldconfig -v | grep libGL.so
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2325 [20:09:33] <adicarlo> but what's failing is any attempt
to link with -lGL
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2333 [20:10:20] <adicarlo> if I replace -lGL with the full path,
/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.2.0
2334 [20:10:24] <adicarlo> it works, but that's BS
2335 [20:10:29] <somiaj> adicarlo: -lGL is a building flag, give
the actual command that fails
2336 [20:10:33] <somiaj> adicarlo: does glxgears fail?
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2341 [20:10:48] <adicarlo> somiaj: no that works
2342 [20:10:54] <adicarlo> glxinfo looks OK too
2343 [20:10:54] <somiaj> but if using gcc with the -lGL is
failing, this is not linking, this is building, so you need the -dev
package to build
2344 [20:11:00] <somiaj> then things are linking correctly
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2346 [20:11:10] <adicarlo> somiaj: ok cool, let me retry
2347 [20:11:25] <adicarlo> somiaj: so that fact that libGL is not
listed in ldconfig output you think is not a problemo?, that's
normal>
2348 [20:11:31] <velix> apt-get install beer
2349 [20:11:32] <somiaj> you are just not able to build without
the development headers, so what is running -lGL that is actually
failing (this sounds like an XY problem)
2350 [20:11:34] <adicarlo> maybe I got distracted by my own
misunderstanding
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2352 [20:12:03] <velix> apt-get install more-beer
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2354 [20:13:31] <somiaj> adicarlo: unsure why ldconfig isn't
linking this, but this is an XY problem, state the actual problem.
If 'glxgears' works, your libgl libaries are working and
linking (otherwise glxgears would fail), you could also check
glxinfo
2355 [20:13:41] <somiaj> adicarlo: I mean listing that
2356 [20:14:00] <adicarlo> somiaj: what do you mean by "xy
problem" ?
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2358 [20:14:10] <somiaj> !xy problem
2359 [20:14:11] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2361 [20:14:27] <adicarlo> somiaj: yah you got it thank you!!
2362 [20:14:35] <adicarlo> bella
2363 [20:15:33] <adicarlo> as you stated, it was the missing -dev
2364 [20:15:37] <somiaj> anyways I only know the basics of this
stuff too, but what you are doing sounds unstandard, hence I thik
you are trying to something, it has failed. Hence knowing what the
actual goal is helps
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2366 [20:15:49] <adicarlo> unstandard?
2367 [20:15:53] <adicarlo> seems pretty standard to me
2368 [20:16:05] <somiaj> yea, that is due to building something
that needs to link against the libaries at build time, is not the
same linking to a libary at run time
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2370 [20:16:24] <adicarlo> its true -- there are a lot of dragons
in the world of linking
2371 [20:17:02] <somiaj> using ldconfig (a tool for run-time
linking) will not help with figuring out a build-time linking issue.
Hence assuming the output of ldconfig -v | grep libGL was the cause
of your issue is undstandard.
2372 [20:17:27] <adicarlo> oh i think you mean "misdiagnosis
of the problem" more than unstandard
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2374 [20:17:34] <adicarlo> but i gotcha, you're right
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2376 [20:17:54] <somiaj> I rarely see anyone needing to run
ldconfig directly, (:
2377 [20:18:09] <somiaj> debian packages do a good job at keeping
things correctly linked.
2378 [20:18:24] <adicarlo> libGL.so.1 =>
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 (0x00007f1832824000)
2379 [20:18:26] <adicarlo> yes indeed
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2381 [20:19:38] <adicarlo> next i gotta dive into the dark world
of CUDA -- its a shame that seems to be dominating over openCL etc
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2383 [20:20:51] <somiaj> mostly due to the power of the nvidia
gpu.
2384 [20:21:15] <somiaj> though intel does provide nice openGL
drivers (though they are non-free) for their chipsets to be able to
do some stuff.
2385 [20:21:29] <adicarlo> intel drops a lot of $$ into linux
development
2386 [20:22:16] <somiaj> yup, and one of the better companies,
because they want their hardware to be used across the board, but
the opneCL drivers aren't free from my understanding, or at
least not in debian, need to get them from intel directly
2387 [20:22:23] <[DragOn]> amd is faster when it comes to IO
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2389 [20:22:33] <adicarlo> although I have a sneaking suspicion
we're really only using 10% of the capabilities of our
hardware, at best
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2391 [20:22:55] <adicarlo> somiaj: that suprises me
2392 [20:23:37] <adicarlo> how stable is buster these days?
stretch is getting pretty long in the tooth
2393 [20:24:11] <adicarlo> I don't like tracking testing --
except mabye in that last 6 month period prior to release when its
often better than stable -- but I've already pulled in so much
on my deevelopment workstation...
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2399 [20:25:00] <somiaj> adicarlo: the freeze is scheduled for
januray 2019
2400 [20:25:12] <adicarlo> ah so we're getting there
2401 [20:25:21] <adicarlo> arent' there still some major
transitions yet to happen?
2402 [20:25:23] <somiaj> buster is kinda bad for security support,
and is okay, but in the end could take a bit of work during some of
the transitions
2403 [20:25:26] <somiaj> yup
2404 [20:25:36] <somiaj> jan 17th 2019 I think is the transition
freeze
2405 [20:25:42] <somiaj> they will be happening for the next 6
months
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2413 [20:27:59] <adicarlo> alright, looks like I need to wait
until Q12019
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2455 [20:43:27] <dreamer> hi all, I'm trying to install the
nvidia driver from backports, but then I get: nvidia-driver :
Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (= 390.48-2~bpo9+3) but it is not
going to be installed
2456 [20:43:47] <dreamer> on stretch, following:
replaced-url
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2458 [20:43:52] <somiaj> dreamer: what exact command are you
typing to do this?
2459 [20:44:03] <adicarlo> more nvidia problemos!
2460 [20:44:17] <dreamer> 'apt-get install -t
stretch-backports nvidia-driver '
2461 [20:44:22] <dreamer> adicarlo: since forever
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2463 [20:44:56] <somiaj> dreamer: well lets try to track down the
cause of this conflict, what does 'apt install -t
stretch-backports xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' do, can you put
the full output at paste.debian.net
2464 [20:45:07] <dreamer> sure
2465 [20:45:18] <somiaj> dreamer: also have you installed the
nvidia driver from stretch normally yet?
2466 [20:46:21] <dreamer>
replaced-url
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2469 [20:48:38] <somiaj> dreamer: why don't you have
xserver-xorg-core installed? apt policy xserver-xorg-core output
plese
2470 [20:48:57] <dreamer> this is actually not on a desktop
machine
2471 [20:49:12] <somiaj> then what is the goal? Cuda?
2472 [20:49:15] <dreamer> yup
2473 [20:49:23] <somiaj> the problem is you need xserver-xorg-core
for the driver to install
2474 [20:49:38] <dreamer> ok, but that depends on a bpo version as
well then?
2475 [20:49:49] <somiaj> I'm unsure if this is required for
cuda or not, but it is required for this, and backports pinning is
getting int he way, try to manually install xserver-xorg-core
without using -t stretch-backports
2476 [20:49:58] <somiaj> note this is just the server core, no
actual xclient
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2478 [20:50:01] <dreamer> ok
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2480 [20:50:29] <somiaj> I have no experience with CUDA, so not
sure if you can use different drivers or not for it
2481 [20:50:53] <dreamer> n/p :)
2482 [20:51:03] <dreamer> ok, installed xserver-xorg-core and
trying the nvidia-driver from backports
2483 [20:51:13] <dreamer> bunch of stuff downloading and
installing. so seems ok :)
2484 [20:51:20] <dreamer> *fingerscrossed*
2485 [20:51:31] <somiaj> yea, the pinning in stretch-backports can
often cause problems
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2488 [20:51:44] <somiaj> It is usally suggested to isntall the
stretch version first, then upgrade it to the backports version
2489 [20:52:00] <somiaj> so first apt install nvidia-driver, then
apt -t stretch-backports install nvidia-driver
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2491 [20:52:32] <dreamer> I think the stretch version had a
problem compiling against my kernel (not on default stretch kernel)
2492 [20:52:48] <dreamer> so that's why I wanted to go
straight to the bpo version. building now ..
2493 [20:52:57] <dreamer> DKMS: install complete
2494 [20:52:58] <dreamer> sweet
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2501 [20:54:17] <dreamer> ok, reboot
2502 [20:54:21] <adicarlo> it can be hard to keep nvidia + xorg +
kernel alll in sync
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2504 [20:54:35] <adicarlo> you get tied down to old kernels
sometimes
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2506 [20:55:14] <dreamer> can imagine .. problems for the future
:#
2507 [20:55:16] <somiaj> stretch-backports packages should work,
the problem is with pinning apt can't always figure out the
best thing to do
2508 [20:55:36] <somiaj> hence it is usually best to install the
stable package first, then upgrade, to ensure you only get what you
have to from backports
2509 [20:57:01] <adicarlo> ok this is odd -- somewhat modern CPU,
Intel i5-4670 @ 3.4GHz -- i can compile -j4 across all cores and my
temp never gets above 58degC which is good -- but under some ffmpeg
processing loads, I get > 90degC and thermal alerts
2510 [20:57:09] <adicarlo> is that an indication that my cpu fan
is too wimpy?
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2513 [20:58:45] <bites> is that the included intel cooler or
aftermarket?
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2517 [20:59:57] <bites> could be also time to replace the thermal
paste. that cpu must be around 5 years old now.
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2522 [21:02:10] <jim> how would I go about finding out why
pulseaudio doesn't start?
2523 [21:03:44] <jim> I know the alsa driver is working, I
recently and successfully ran speaker-test
2524 [21:04:01] <somiaj> jim: what does pulseaudio --start do?
Does it start it?
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2529 [21:04:28] <jim> just that? or an init.d script
2530 [21:04:33] <somiaj> just that
2531 [21:04:40] <jim> ok
2532 [21:05:09] <jim> as root?
2533 [21:05:29] <bites> no, as user.
2534 [21:05:42] <somiaj> as the user who pulse is not starting for
2535 [21:05:46] <somiaj> this starts pulseaudio
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2537 [21:06:13] <jim> no output, I get another bash prompt
2538 [21:06:54] <somiaj> it should be running now, ps fax | grep
pulse -- do you see it?
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2540 [21:08:03] <jim> it seems to be running now :)
2541 [21:08:20] <jim> let me check for general audio workages
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2546 [21:09:16] <somiaj> check ~/.config/pulse/client.conf or
/etc/pulse/client.conf and ensure you have ; autospawn = yes set, if
so it should start automatically, note the ; just means it is
commented out and the default setting
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2554 [21:14:01] <jim> somiaj, it's the default, so autospawn
= yes is commented out with a ;
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2556 [21:14:41] <jim> is there a pulse <--> alsa bridge
I'm supposed to installe?
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2744 [22:48:26] <velix> Interesting: E: Invalid Release signature
(key id 8B48AD6246925553)
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2746 [22:49:42] <Psi-Jack> Is there, on Freenode that is, a
channel for debian packaging help, or does this channel help with
such matters?
2747 [22:51:33] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: #packaging on irc.oftc.net is
the place for packging questions, some people here may know
packaging, but overall even though #packaging is small, it is the
best place to ask
2748 [22:51:51] <Psi-Jack> Yeaaah.. But they've been
completely quiet.
2749 [22:52:40] <Psi-Jack> Mostly trying to figure out if
debian/conffiles has to specify each and every single file, or if
wildcards are supported... etc.
2750 [22:53:10] <Psi-Jack> It's looking, though, like not...
dpkg-deb: error: conffile '/opt/sbbs/exec/*.js' does not
appear in package
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2762 [22:59:28] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: smaller channels are that way,
but at least your question won't be lost in other questions and
people there may actually know the answer.
2763 [23:00:08] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: I think it needs to specifiy
every file, read the new matainers guide. Also conf files in /otp/
seems strange (these should be put in /etc)
2764 [23:00:33] <rant> in my experience if you can do without an
immediate answer, mailing list are often very knowledgeable and get
responses in under 6hrs
2765 [23:00:40] <Psi-Jack> Everything is in /opt/sbbs/, and
there's a lot of conffiles.
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2769 [23:01:05] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: usually if installing something
in /opt, having a debian package doesn't provide that much.
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2771 [23:01:42] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, but it does in this case. Not
having to compile for updates all the time, not having to include
the compiler and build-essential on the host, etc.
2772 [23:02:05] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: of course you aren't
trying to get your packages into debian, so you can do what you
want, I'm just saying, for a debian package, it is strange to
have a conffile outside of /etc. Also note conffiles are just dealt
with differently, depending on your package (And if you want users
to actually edit the conffiles), you can just install them as normal
files and not conf files.
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2775 [23:02:37] <somiaj> Psi-Jack: compile once, package in a
.tar.gz file, extract it to /opt -- as in the debian dependency
chain, package may not provide you that much benifit for packages in
/otp.
2776 [23:02:48] <Psi-Jack> I want them to not be replaced if
they've been changed.
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2779 [23:03:03] <somiaj> in that case read the docs, the matainers
guide should state what you need
2780 [23:03:14] <velix> Is debian SID broken somehow? W: Failure
while installing base packages.
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2782 [23:03:19] <somiaj>
replaced-url
2783 [23:03:50] <rant> velix: heh, maybe you were looking for
##standup? cause thats funny
2784 [23:04:12] <somiaj> velix: debian sid is usually broken
somehow, that is the nature of sid, now if the breakage affects you,
we'll two thigns, first 1) you should be asking sid questions
in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and second you should probably
install a minimial stable, then upgrade to testing, the upgrade to
sid (this is the old standard recommended way of installing sid)
2785 [23:04:18] <velix> rant: I'm half-turk... that's
even more funny.
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2787 [23:04:39] <velix> somiaj: yeah, I know. I just never had
problems chrooting sid ;)
2788 [23:04:54] <rant> could be worse, you could be amazon
mechanical turk :P
2789 [23:05:07] <velix> rant: sometimes I feel like this :(
2790 [23:05:24] <somiaj> velix: then you should have provided that
info, 'i am trying to debootstrap sid and I get this
error', not is sid broken.
2791 [23:05:33] <somiaj> velix: and you should go ask in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
2792 [23:05:51] <somiaj> also W is a warning, maybe the chroot is
somewhat functional.
2793 [23:05:55] <velix> somiaj: okay okay :)
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2796 [23:06:43] <rant> yes a warning usually would ony occur in
this context if perhaps some config step failed.. cause actual
broken packages is an error that causes it to stop
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2798 [23:07:05] <rant> usually before anything is fetched or
unpacked
2799 [23:07:06] <velix> Okay, I'll retry and in case of an
error, I'll visit #debian-next on ofnet
2800 [23:07:31] <velix> it worked with stable, so it really might
be a sid problem ;)
2801 [23:07:45] <rant> provide full output in a pastebin when you
do that... cause you probably didnt get the most relevant part of
the output
2802 [23:08:21] <velix> yeah, I'll do later. I'm just
working with the stable one right now.
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